T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is there any way to become more sober more sooner?'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'stomach pump'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'redryn, that wont help.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'try it'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'apparently a slap in the face works according to mythbusters'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, im all for slapping faces.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drink a SHITLOAD of water - it increases total blood alcohol volume, and can help you beat a police test'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Be near a bathromm'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'room*'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh i don't care re: total volume.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i just would like to be more sober so i can remember if jaenelle is loquacious whats her face or not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wasnt sure if exercise or something might help metabolites break down teh alcohol faster'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'your name is really familiar and i dont know why'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe you dreamt about me.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or maybe you spoke with me at length about shopping in kensington market'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except you don't break down alcohol, your liver filters it into your kidneys and you piss it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'alcohol passes the brain blood barrier too though right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yes'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and certain scavenger enzymes break it down in the lymph'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'additionally, when you piss it out, it is usually already broken down as well'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i was under the impression that having too much alcohol would lead to an excess of sugars in the bladder'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but that given time without evacuating the bladder, that it would be recirculated to the kidneys and processed back into the blood if hydration, sulfates/sulfides or so on permitted'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but at the moment, i am perhaps a little bit ossified, so i can't be sure.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'are you trying to teach us something'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. i m trying to figure out if there's anything i can do to speed up the whole figuring out if jaenelle is that loquacious person or not'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i think she was yes'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it sounds like short of imbibing a lot of oxygen or otherwise reducing the amount of nitrates in my system i dont have much chance =/ so maybe i will go sleep it off'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'havoks oh, ok.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is still tempted to go sleep it off.
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'SOPA.'
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Discuss.'
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'iran?'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A $63 billion, 10-year U.S. arms package for Saudi Arabia, which includes helicopters, missiles, precision-guided munitions and tanks, was unveiled in 2007 and is now kicking in.  Add the $60 billion for the 83 advanced fighters, and we sold over $120 billion of weapons to saudi arabia.'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iowa caucuses today, huh...'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone keeping track?'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'Who will win the Iowa Caucus?'
T3/r5/2012-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Obama2012!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"El cielo es azul"...azul is an adjective.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course unambiguously. I just did it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Fiendish agrees with your wife.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Tlaloc: tell your wife that I know significant depth of both, and semiotics is not sociology'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i have known your wife!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'biblically'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well "es azul" and "esta azul" have nothing to do with semiontics, it has to do with the fact that ser and estar are 2 different verbs. The problem with English is that those to verbs are rendered as one.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and that's the only problem with english'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'semiotics*'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so, Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'game is starting, sorry, but she disagrees, so if you want to argue that with her, I'll send you a tell with her name on here. Oh, and if anyone can log this for me, I'd be damn interested to read it later. Anyone willing?'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just know that no one uses max to refer to over/abso/true/whatever max'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i didn't want to get into a whole thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos: the difference has a whole hell of a lot to do with semiotics'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Wehther you use "ez azul" or "esta azul". azul is an adjective in both cases.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Leinei: not really'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure it is'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both the strength and weakness with English lie in the loose structure of the language. The looseness allows compact communication, but that communication is subject to great ambiguity.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's what she said'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"es" implies "_the_sky_ has the same symbolist essence as _blue_", which is an unambiguous even in english (though wrong in most cases) sentence'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I disagree.  Ser can be used to denote a intrinsic quality of something.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is correct, Fiendish. More precisely, "es azul" says that blue is a property of sky. While "esta azul" simply says that, at the moment, the sky is blue.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos is arguing the very foundation of semiotics here. (you shouldn't say otherwise)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'run away, the barterers are coming!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I say "Sally is quiet" (a quiet person) and "Sally is quiet" (not speaking at this time), they're both adjectives'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the difference between english and spanish is that in english we would more concretely use relevant words to indicate that we're making a comparison between mirrored symbols (in the semiotic sense). In fact, anyone discussing this in spanish probably would too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'For the first, I'd use ser, for the second, I'd use estar'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, "es muerto" and "esta muerto", very subtle meaning. Both say that "he is dead", but one is a property of the person while the other is a state. In fact, "es muerto" implies that he was killed (by someone).'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But they're both adjectives'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, "es muerto" is rather ambiguous, I am afraid. "muerto" can both be a noun or a past particple of the verb to die (morir)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'muerto is not a noun.  ever'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, maybe not ever ever.  But not in that casse'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'case*'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted using it as a past participle is rather unusual.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Leinei: this might be of use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotic_elements_and_classes_of_signs_%28Peirce%29'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, a debate where I have no opinion what so ever :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'morir, morido, muerto just as you have work, worked, wrought'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(though I always found Peirce to be kind of dense to read)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, muerto can be a noun, since it can mean a dead person.  So you could say "Bob es un muerto"'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In which case, it's be a noun'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But "Bob es muerto" is an adjective'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe this is better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_%28semiotics%29#Triadic_signs'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what English needs are markers to indicate what the function of the word is, but if they are added, it loses the flexibility which makes it so popular.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'english really doesn't have any problems in this regard'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'people who opt to use words with precision don't have to worry so much about the other person knowing how to properly interpret them'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the distinction between "es" and "esta" is one that relies on the listener to interpret correctly'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, looks like bob's dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'whereas you could easily add extra words to be more explicit'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'bob's fucking dead?'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason that English doesn't have as many problems as it should is because, under normal circumstances, the context is assumed to be obvious. But the issuer of the sentence can keep the context private and there is no way to tell what it is because there are so many.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, parse this: "a pretty little girls school."'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, parse this: "a pretty little girls" school."'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's girls''
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, Rick Santorum had a good 24 hours.  But the first google result for "Santorum" is back again to something not about Rick Santorum.'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He was on top of the results for a day or two...'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, Al Gore is for Internet Piracy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zox: 'nice'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'make it 14-6'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'mis, sorry'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Dogs against Romney?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'transfers - legality? (from q/a)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i call the notion: there is no point in debating!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'second'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'Nobody should be able to transfer anything to anyone, because someone's alt might benefit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'btw, yes to what Domain?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe it was to his rhetorical q'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone loads a newbie alt, I think it's perfectly fine as long as it's something that they would reasonably do for any random (nice) newbie'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'What if the tp I give to my friend's alt ends up eventually circulating around and I win it in a trivia on gametalk!?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if not, it's a bit grey...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Ye gads, I have broken the policies!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Like I said, the time lapse just needs to be reasonable for it to work :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a(n old) rule in some muds that uber-equipping newr players is somewhat illegal -- no doubt to prevent friends uber-equiping each other's alts'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it depends on the time lapse... if it is long enough to make the present value low enough as a reasonable discount rate...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some players are very patient '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There is an old rule that says that you should not quote what happens in other MUDs because people don't give a damn.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'MAybe it's not that old :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have another rule: most things xyliz says are just plain wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I am suddenly struck by how this theoretical aardcorruption is similar to how certain companies defer taxes/profits and push them around for years to avoid paying out...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Because players are now companies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Players are companies. Discuss.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies are people!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There is no aardcorruption tbh, Xyliz is just being itself again :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Aardwolfians United vs State of Godot'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, theoretical aardcorruption'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyone pushing the grey area enough to try an alt transfer will do something else which gets them nuked...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'If it's not in practice it's inherently pointless :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'It's pretty much common sense, really..'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I bet that's what the US founding fathers said when they drafted the constitution!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'I always wanted to transfer points from my old char to my new but its illegal'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There isn't even an Aardwolfian Constitution :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'The policies can be changed without passing bills, what does this tell you :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aard is a dictatorship?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'authoritarian dictatorship'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I for one welcome out new Lasherian overlords.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'oh, new version of mushclient does not capture my own chat in the communication log'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Pretty much all MMOs are :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'our*'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'institutions! We need to have a constitutional monarchy! To arms!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi implodes!!!  Only a grease spot remains where he once stood.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much for the revolution'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Should probably appreciate our "rulers" because they're the only ones who want to put up with listening to all this discontent. (Much of which is stirred up from nothingness by Xyliz :P)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't know about 'want'...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is not discontent with multiplaying 
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i could i'd instantly fakechan xyliz and kojiro'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'K Xyliz, tell us what you're discontent with!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Prosecutor Godot turns debate channel off.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's good to discuss legality sometimes, I think'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'before coming to Aardwolf, i played on a multiplaying mud (where bots were permitted).'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'make the lines sharper and all that. Interesting exercise.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good for you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Really depends on who is heralding the discussions'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Some are meaningful and some are whiningful.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz does not object to bots either.  (there was Xyliz note on some forum outlining cautions to be taken if bots were ever to be "legal", to protect the mud from financial ruin)
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how thoughtful of you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there're bots, I'm all in favour of allowing them... on a separate mud'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like to imagine Lasher hovering over the enter key with 'nuke xyliz confirm' in his command prompt over that note...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'botmud!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, where's necroshine? or rather who is he now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Vakieh likes those muds where the owners regularly pwipe players voicing differing opinions'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, we just dislike you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have issues with someone who routinely trolls newbies in a detrimental rather than humourous fashion'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'got to love xyliz giving advice on remorting, tiering and building ones char'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Xyliz convincing newbies not to buy auras at level 1 makes me rather annoyed'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are... different types of people in every community... part of a newbie's "job" is to figure out who's useful and who's crazy...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was a #1 mud on TMC a few years ago, until the owners and admin started pwiping the accounts of players voicing differing opinions -- that mud dropped to around #21 '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, if people were generally good at that, the US government wouldn't suck so much'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Benjanmin Franklyn, the satyr, said: "Your critics are your friends, they point out your mistakes."'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you learn from them'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd like to point out that ben had like 25 types of syphilis '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not to mention goat hooves'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only if they actually point out your mistakes'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz takes Vakieh to task on: [10 Jan 08:55:55] (Debate) Vakieh: 'Xyliz convincing newbies not to buy auras at level 1 makes me rather annoyed' <-- where did Xyliz (of the "new players, qsit at level 1 until a full level 1 aard armor set is obtained" advice) state that lie inferred by Vakieh
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't log, but you have on more than one occasion told newbies to not worry about auras, as they were less than optimal purchases'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would prioritize breastplate over aura actually'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, that was somebody else'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You been sharing your char Xyliz?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, Xyliz never shares equipent or characters'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a qsitter -- you do not like qsitters: suck a lemon, (get some vitamin C and bioflavenoids in the process)  -- xchan
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'because of Crynn, Xyliz is a trains-sitter, or when no double, a channel-sitter'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You trying for Crynn? good luck with that...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'avoiding quests because of Crynn'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or you could...you know...remort?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Then you could qsit all OVER again'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz , upon remoret, be cp-leveling at low levels, then speedleveling to SH and remort
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz yet requires to complete several goals: Xylmos (or buy an inexpensive Xylmos portal),  Adaldar (maybe, to get that portal), Omentor (maybe, maybe not, to get that last room), Empyrean (to fully explore the area), Dunoir (to reach that last room)
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and may as take the SH opportunity to fully explore the Upper planes safely (as an SH)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meh - go explore 9hells - Only took me 1 death'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lots of things to do as a T0 SC SH'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Nine Hells is no danger, very safe there'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz stating "Nine Hells is no danger, very safe there" is not a suggestion to up the danger level there
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'explore inferno!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"explore inferno!" as a suggestion to a T0 SC SH -- some of you guys are sick (unless that was a joke, you were joking, right)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't see why not'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretty sure it's possible'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am hoping to do so in a mort, give or take a few levels and a thou or so pups'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz gets angry when the "Times Killed" counter is forced to increase by quests and campaigns to (expletive deleted) areas
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you many notice a change is the personality of Xyliz on those days'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'may'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'got to love another rescue of Iranians'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Jar Jar Binks is the best thing to ever happen to the Star Wars franchise.'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'qsitting .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a playdate'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'consider the meaning of semantics'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that shut the bots up'
T3/r5/2012-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/6979611/Human-civilisation-will-collapse-unless-greed-culture-is-stopped-report-warns.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'in other news, water remains wet'
T3/r5/2012-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'awesome, a commission on civil rights in Ohio voted to uphold racism.'
T3/r5/2012-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'kkk trying to justify themselves on NGC'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'hi everyone'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree.'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'iI agree lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i disagree with both sides'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'hi everyone'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Debate -h goes back five days. Apparently we're all getting along!'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I disagree with the gentleman from across the aisle.'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which would be a more action packed european holiday - transnistria or dagestan?'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched documentaries from aljazeera and bbc on both, and i must say they have some deadly perks'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'trans sounds a lot newer and more unstable.  Where's it located?'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just east of moldova'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly on the documentary it's ran by an ex kgb agent and has the most wanted criminal in europe housed there, but the international community doesn't pay attention to it'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one thing that always makes me more skeptic about the past - how russia has caused probably every single war in the world since world war 2, but germany had them defeated until america came and saved them'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in north korea documentary you can go for a tour in the museum there where gifts from the russian government are on display, they practice alot of russian politics there apparently'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worshipping the stalin as god kind of thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before WW2, the Japanese beat the shit out of them as well before we interfered.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'is urinating on corpses okay?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask the corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i wld...but they're dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then they probably don't care'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no honor in it though'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, but then these days you can't buy a cup of coffee with honor.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'issue is...a few ignorant immature peeps destroyed the 'honor' of our military'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'assuming of course that they are an aberration...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...and gave the enemy fuel'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed...re guilt/autheticity '
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'butchered that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as opposed to a government that sells weapons to both sides'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'honor is how you act'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be naive that to think that things like this don't happen all the time and haven't happened often throughout history, but like sex-crazed senators, it only matters if you get caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not what the government does'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'things like this have happened'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'honor has killed millions of people. hasn't saved a single one'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...but that's the shame'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'a few peeps representing the whole'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming facts not in evidence.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'the video is fact'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that those on the video represent a minority.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'd hope they do'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'otherwise, we're no better than the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'keep in mind that these are the same armed forces that ran Iraqui jails.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there is no justification'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we may be no better than the enemy. but we certainly are no worse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was no justification when what they were doing to prisoners came to light, either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'or i thought we were'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'so....because they perform certain acts....that makes it ok for us?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if half of the stories coming out of Viet Nam are true, it was worse there.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'mai lai comes to mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'all they did was dishonor our servicemen and provide fuel for the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'among others'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is no honor in killing people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no debate about that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the enemy doesn't need any fuel :) They are being invaded. That's fuel enough.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'bs'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then you cannot dishonor those who are paid to kill for a living'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you don't think that foreign troops on your soil is enough fuel?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'just like you were enrage about them dragging corpses through the street, so are they enraged by this action'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you just provide them with fuel for the recruitment of others'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they probably do the same thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'doesn't mean we shld stoop to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you should read some history on acts commited during wartime'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that they should stoop to ours :>'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i have'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'doesn't matter'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's illegal right here in the USA to desecrate a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'frankly, desecration of corpses is a lot lower on the list of triggers for me than, let's say, rape.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the laws of the US do not apply to Afghanistan, yet. They have to conquer the land first :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'last person to conquer that place was the legendary Alexander'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bottom line, the act was deplorable, but not actually unusual. What was unusual is that they got caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's akin to police brutality, people act with shock when they witness it as if it didn't go on all the time.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed...i don't understand....if they're dead, they're dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you condone the actions that they perform...and yet this is ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people who are under constant mortal stress act differently than you or I would.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'soab'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'codemn'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no excuse you can present that's valid'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'facts of life are not excuses.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'facts?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '*sigh*'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that what happens is happens often enough is a fact. Again, you are only shocked because in your placid world things like that don't happen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'justify it any way you want, it's still wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're suppose to be an example to the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and hat would you have us do? cry for awhile?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hy should we be an example to the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why*'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not my call...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i didn't ask to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and we are not, by the way'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'if only i had that power'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'regardless, shall we stoop to their level?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'after iraq we are not much of an example to any country in the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'where's the honor?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there never was any honor'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'apparently not'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't get me wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's propaganda. Humans are humans no matter where they are born, and as humans, they will tend to do the same things. It is hardly believable that a nation at war over a questionable agenda would claim to operate on a higher plane.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i support my troops 100% regardless of my opinions of the conflict'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then you are a fool'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'these 4(5) do not represent the whole'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but yet...no one remembers the good'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's always the 'bad meal' we had there last'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the good in torturing at gitmo?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what honor is there in invading a country over a fantasy?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'That's not my call...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'talk about an excuse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm calling out the urinaters'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, now you back away from your responsibility, that's less than honorable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shall the whole military be judged on their actions?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are a military. that is what they do'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'regardless, they'll be punished'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's something that has nothing to do with the military, if they are judged over this incident, you can scratch it as a case of bigotry, which is what it would be :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'in a msg to both our servicemen and the rest of the world that such actions aren't to be tolerated, regardless of the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no we arent'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'waterboarding comes to mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'wldn't seem so recently'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people who join a group in order to kill can hardly be considered uber sensitive to certain criticism.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not worried about them'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they follow orders'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: ''cept pissing on people'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what do you think you do in a military? you kill everything you see'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a big difference to run to the trenches to defend your country and running to the trenches to amass dollars for the corporate sponsors.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if you are ordered to piss on people, guess what you get to do?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'killing everyone has nothing to do with urinating on corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no common sense anymore'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I bet the corpses would have rather been urinated on while alive and then let go.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we've just inflamed the enemy and gave them more fuel for recruitment'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you would rather kill someone than pee on a corpse?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no common sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'never was any common sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if someone urinates on me they might as well kill me because one of use is going to end up dead :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no doubt anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'same'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'different when they're already dead though'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if I died first, I will hardly be in a position to care whether I get a state funeral or am pushed to the curb.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'different for people who believe there's something more after death'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am curious why you are bothered by peeing on a corpse more than innocent people dying'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'bottom line...we're suppose to be better than the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think about the people who were completely obliterated in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I mean, they were converted to molecules, as if they never had existed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'each side kills to defend a cause they believe in'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'justify it anyway you want...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think i am missing something here'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's still wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's a tough one, Kirua. There are some believers, but I can't accept that in fabricated wars some of the cadre doesn't contemplate what is actually going on.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'so killing someone may be somewhat justified by the fact that you were just trying to protect something dear to you'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what is dear to the US in Afghanistan?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is the invader.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no honor if you urinate on a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'beats me'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'an oil pipeline is pretty dear'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'can't deny that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'but honor is the keyword'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'does your cause support you doing that to an enemy's corpse?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shld we do the same as the enemy?  I thought we were a world leader.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'more like, world conqueror'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you have to understand is that as crass as the act was, it was meaningless.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it was not meaningless to the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again I say, ask the corpses.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'was it meaningless to us when our peeps were beheaded or dragged through the streets?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Are you really arguing that defaming corpses is a meaningless act?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'should be meaningless? maybe. But it was a fucking stupid thing to get caught doing as it'll incense people even more. And yes, you seem to be arguing that it shouldn't -- but it WILL.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they seem to be the least cared about objects of the whole thing. Everyone is concerned with how they feel about it, no one wonders how the corpses feel about it. After all they are the ones that got wet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'of all the atrocities committed during war, i say peeing on a corpse is not high on my list'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely not'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and war, no matter why it is fought, is an atrocity of the first order.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, it's not. And yet it was still a fucking stupid thing to do. '
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than them'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one disagrees with that :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'at least i thought so'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hy are we better?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really? How do you know that, Cidus?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Cidus: Really?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Who decreed that we are better?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'cause the rest of our forces don't urinate on corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah. debate why we are better'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'dear god...it's a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they just gun down unarmed civilians'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'piss on a corpse here in america'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is on its way to re-enter the eco-cycle'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're arguing in circles, cidus :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and torture'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'see how that works'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'again, and i expect...justify it any way you want....'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why are you surprised people pee on corpses?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm not surprised per se'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people pee on graves on the US all the time'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm surprised our service members stoop to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why are you surprised?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'have you been living under a rock?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'every few months some new story about an atrocity comitted by the armed forces comes out'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shame...a few ignorant people committed this act...and yet the world will view it as the US military'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you seem real broken up over peeing on corpses. not to broken up over rape and torture'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'done...ignorance can't always be corrected'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'my mind is blown that anyone can still think the US has moral superiority'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'yep...esp after this latest incident'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but not after waterboarding?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'apparently we've stooped to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Shrug. What about the torturing, and black bagging, and CIA assassinating?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'so we're just as good/bad as them?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Testing mind control drugs on mental patients'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'etcetc'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You're worse, imo.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'worse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I really enjoyed, and it was super fast paced'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One of the most pressing concerns for the US navy is the threat posed by a "carrier killer" anti-ship missile with enhanced targeting capabilities facilitated from space. China very recently launched its own Beidou Positioning System, challenging the monopoly of the US Global Positioning System (GPS). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16588557 I wonder what's gonna come of this one'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're just all playing gladiators arena'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just crooked people playing with crooked people with normal people's lives like usual, it'll probably never change :-o'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stands to reason China would want their own GPS '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, america has one why couldn't they?  i'm not saying they shouldn't'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what always bothers me about governments though, is they get people they oppress into trouble with others'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're from there, you're them, i don't like governments for that reason'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is how they got to be where they are , '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what i think is interesting is how china wanted it's people it be smarter and do more for themself, and then other countries let china do things for them and lost those abilities'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for the most part, things used to be done alot more independently from corporations and stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo is part of the disconnect between business and government '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see corporations as trying to be governments'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the power of the $ continually erodes gov power '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that makes me sick what people give up for money, which is a figment of their imagination basically'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposed to be figment of their governments imagination'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is one form of power , $'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really a figment of imagination, more that it's worth what people believe it's worth and as long as it continues to be accepted for purchase it's still worth something'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and money might not be everything, but below a certain threshold the lack thereof can be bad'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as long as the status quo is kept and our economy remains stable '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '$ ain't everythin ,not having it is '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder what China? will ask in return for bailing out other economies ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they already effect Aust gov policy without bailouts .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aust govt = fail.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The local Lemontree agrees!
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Lol in what way Sneak ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the difference between being a millionaire and a multimillionaire is nowhere near as high towards quality of life as the difference between an income of 10k and an income of 20k. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the welfare system is completely out-dated'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'also, they need to do something about them boats'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's millions of things that could be fixed better than they are that have to do with social circumstances'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's the main thing that stops people from having to come to those solutions themselves'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'money, and greed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there was a useful system in Bangledesh? microecenomics '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see greedy people that happen to use people's ignorance against them from a young age like people picking on retards after beating them over the head to make sure they're stupid, they invest in education being unaffordable and inefficient among other things'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'picking on retards is untastely once you reach a certain pubescent age usually'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'weavers were lent 20c to buy bulk raw materials , cutting out the middleman'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you mean microfinance rather than microeconomics.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the other kids treat you like a leper, but they gravitate towards the greedy man'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes thats it Majic , we did a project in Yr 11 on it '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'small risk, great rate of return on a triple bottom line and very low default rates '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. I'm a huge fan of microfinance.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Applicable to the first world ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, yes it should be. There are a lot of very small businesses who have a hellacious time getting funds for improvements and government approvals necessary because they just aren't on a large enough scale even when they produce stuff that's a higher quality.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the government was the company of the land it wouldn't be catering to other companies that challenge it's authority'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb manufacturing - hardto mocrofinance that because of the comparative advantage of lower wage countries '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'small businesses don't challenge it's authority if they compose the government company'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'democracy's missing in most places in places where they think democracy exists'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm thinking more of agriculture because that's the area I've got the most experience in.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatalism is a democracy - it costs a dollar a vote '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'joel salatin's "everything I want to do is illegal" was an interesting read. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually hobby farming in urban areas would be a great use of microfinance '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'absolutely. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'added benefit of producing healthy food '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but in many places, even quiet and well-behaved hens are illegal.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is really dumb. I'd much rather live next to someone's HENS than someone's barking puppy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention use up a lot of that abandoned building real estate....turn em into micro farms growing local crops.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'plus the blog I was reading last year where they got in trouble with their town because they grew vegetables in the front garden'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's only for flowers and grass, you see. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you could replace the chook poo nitrodgen for fish poo in some places - fish farming along with landfarming '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and my town bans line-drying of clothes too while whittering constantly about saving the planet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that is fascism to me, more concerned with looks than realities'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah in general are we too invested in our land prices to start to change ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'either extreme doesn't work very well, but one results in survival while the other results in death'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering that 33% of detroit is abandoned now....it makes sense to turn that unused land into city ag locations to let residents grow crops for a small seasonal fee.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hell yes it does.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Plus it encourages local production of food which reduces fossil fuel usage in transportation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did 33% of destroit go?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given primary production is a low skill job too (in the most part) it may solve some uneployment probs too ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyplace with jobs.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well nods tzad plus if a family is single-income '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it might even reduce the concrete jungle affect in old cities that have a lot of unused land and commercial real estate....lower the overall temp in the cities.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of them can use spare time to contribute to the family etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and increase air quality ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that also'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and i specifically say one of them because it doesn't matter which one is unemployed :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't see too many loosers in the mix atm ? devils advocate time ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who would oppose this ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'land owners ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'losers :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the land owners wouldnt have to pay property taxes on the land if it was converted to city ag.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people oppose it because they don't wanna grow vegetables/line-dry/etc themselves and feel guilty if their neighbours do'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or they feel that 'poor people do that' '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or greenies ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the abandoned land in detroit and other cities is not producing prop taxes anyways, so might as well make it useful.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could tear down 2 million homes in cities country wide, and open up that land to small parks, and city ag....prop values would increase, and the supply of homes would be reduced a bit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would reduced supply increase prices ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that much'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are probably 20 million empty homes right now, country wide.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just googled hobbyfarms detroit , some ppl already doing this '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you take the ppl that are in the economy out of it to farm , what further impact on gov jobs, health services that depend on tax to fund it ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm thinking more of enabling productivity and a better standard of living for people who are already out of it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but quite honestly I think that we already produce and consume too many things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I had someone the other month telling me about how she is having trouble paying her bills etc, then when I pulled out my phone to make a call she said 'haha your phone is so old, how can you stand to have such an old phone, i couldn't show myself in public with a phone like that, etc etc''
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whenever people are allowed to grow some of their own food, health gets better, and new markets open up to sell excess produce which stimulates the economy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'leap forward 20 years .. USA is an agrarian paradise but also in world term not backed it's military position and can no longer defend itself ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I'm thinking 'well maybe if you weren't buying new top of the market phones every year you'd be able to pay your rent'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, 100 years ago the US was an agrarian country, now about 2% of that is left.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both good points - how can consuming less become "sexy" though?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'damn if I know.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'selling buying less ... '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we produce 1000% more food with 2% of the people who used to farm 100 years ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's my goal, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we produce more calories, dunno about more food :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a calorie is still a calorie, the problem is vitamins and minerals.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personally I'm going to make a stack of $ while I'm young and hope to hell I don't need expensive healthcare when I'm older'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'being slightly sarcastic but I consider low-quality food to be a real issue.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the soil is not as vitamin and mineral rich as it used to be because of over farming the land we still use.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'artifical fertilizers suck.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also because of poor usage and management'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah even the differance between fresh unprocessed and not fresh unprocessed is huge '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I buy most of my produce from local farmers markets and community supported ag groups'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need to expand the CSA idea.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australias farmers are being squeezed by 2 supermarket chains , there aint much hope for them '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they allow it to happen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is one of the reasons to support microfinance and micromarketing, to get back to the origin of the conversation :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice circle Majic :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well you're riding one of my pet hobbyhorses right now :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you get me started on microagriculture, I can go all day :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know someone where I used to live was into hydro pretty big , you could almost computer control it with a few robot arms and someone to log in n check '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"Farmville" is pretty big? why not use that social capital to do something like that ? have a real carrot as the outcome '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I buy a house I'll make sure it's half burnt down so I can do what I like with it and it'll be an improvement :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just need a huge stash of $ to go with it incase I get cancer or something expensive and then yeah , I could live an agrarian life '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you wish'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'now that Keystone is dead, what are the chances that the Save Online Porn Act/Protect Internet Porn Act are going to pass?'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Amazing response time. Elect anons for congress!'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'in response to -h that sort of retardation doesn't sound very fascist...in fact that sounds far more liberal moronity coupled with standard suburban lunacy'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'we actually encourage vast swaths of self-sufficiency'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '"Congressional leaders announced [yesterday] that they were putting the extremely controversial antipiracy bills PIPA and SOPA on hold for the immediate future -- possibly because Congress actually does listen to the public once a decade, possibly because Congress only just now learned that youre not supposed to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but most likely because Congress kept on trying to go on Wikipedia a couple days ago and got really annoyed by the black screen." -EW.com'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or perhaps they feared the threats of primarying them out of office were real.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People should primary them out of office anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They were stupid and greedy enough to support it at first.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Agreeeed'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then the public got to read the bills and found out about the zero-proof standard for shutting down websites.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's pretty amazing, the politcal power of Google and Wiki, when you think about it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Remember, as usual, it was the Republicans leading the charge. It's the party of greed and stupidity. As for the Democrats, they have bad eggs. Punish the bad eggs and the Republican party.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'political*'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's almost as if they said "jump" and we all "jumped".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you DO realize nobody is throwing fits about the dumbass democrats backing the bill, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'haha yes you are right'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Handlands: That's because they did not support the bill as a party.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It also shows that the Democratic Party is way more healthy than the Republican party. Whenever the Republicans introduce a bill. Pretty much 99% of the time, the entire party or almost all of them support it and will vote for it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whenever the Republican party wants to kill a Democrat bill, they all vote against it. Meanwhile, the Democratic party actually allows its elected officials to vote according to their conscience and what they think their constituency wants.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, if you wish to believe that, go ahead.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, as I said, punish the idiotic Democrats who supported PIPA and SOPA. But remember, yet again, it was a Republican-introduced initiative and overwhelmingly republican-backed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but Pelosi made that a pretty obvious mockery'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare was not, though. ;P'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the bailouts were also not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not being coherent.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if you think Obamacare is bad, then there's no help for you.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if you think Obamacare is bad, then there's no help for you.sca'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obamacare is bad, since it doesn't solve any fundamental problems and increases costs significantly (also more profits for insurance companies etc).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Tinada greets Summoner Yuna warmly.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Judging by your comments insofar, you're most probably a Republican (or a Libertarian) who will thinks "Socialized medicine" is evil.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obamacare is only bad because the Republicans KILLED all of the good parts.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What could be salvaged DOES introduce several good elements, but it could've been so much better had it been allowed to exist as originally envisioned.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or because it was attempts to partially patch a badly flawed system, and that sort of project is pretty much doomed to fail'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, I'm finding the Republican primary fascinating.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama can get bonus points for wanting universal health care, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's constitutionally bad.  '
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'but it serves a legitimate purpose'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because overhauling it and reworking it from scratch would take years. original!Obamacare would've acted as an interim transitionary bill to patch the holes while the system is reworked.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not convinced about that, but then, like Obama, I didn't read the law :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Republicans of Aardwolf, which Republican candidate do you support?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still shocked Michelle Bachmann isn't receiving 0% of the votes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Romney sounds way too much like a democrat, and democrats aren't at all looking good right now even if they were the better choice last cycle (given Obamamania, still not sure they were).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not a Republican, but if I had to support one of their candidates, it would be Paul'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'Ron Paul has my vote'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'RP 2012! :-P'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Paul's not electible.  He's downright crazy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Santorum, the "Family Values" candidate.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demonic Horadrim: 'yea auditing the fed to see if our currency is worthless is just insane'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, he's got the trannie association thanks to RuPaul.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least he's actually living as he preaches.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll give him that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'afaik, unless you are a total media slave, you are under no obligation to vote for "electable" candidates'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is going to let trannies and weirdo-types get anywhere close to public office, no matter how good their ideas are.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Electibility is all about wanting to see your party in office.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They want a Republican in office, so they don't necessarily vote for the Republican they like the most, just the Republican they think has the greatest chance of beating Obama.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... no Gingrinch or Bachmann supporters?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Mr. Paul's policies are also rather less crazy than those of the past half a dozen administrations.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'if that is all it is about, then paul is as electable as romeny, according to polls they are both tied in the standing against obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently I haven't been following the news coverage closely enough. Michelle Twatmann has dropped out.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'that happened like a month ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Parallel: Er... do the polls claim them to be tied against Obama among ALL voters?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember, the republicans are still likely to have some congressional momentum from mid-term.  Getting a republican into office at a time when there's likely to be a definite republican majority is a good thing insofar as it remains uncertain enough for the branches to work together instead of crony up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would help solve problems with third party candidates not having "electability"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I missed it and just assumed she'd been low-key since then.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'no, they are both tied a few points behind obama, nationally'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'polls the last couple of months typically have Obama a couple of percent ahead of named republicans, and a couple of percent behind a generic un-named republican.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I mean that they're are tied against EACH OTHER when going up against Obama among ALL voters.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not simply if the Republicans have to choose between the two.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Gingrich is still too much of an insider, and he didn't have the best of records while there anyways.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my comment was for obama vs someone'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'yes yuna, all voters'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gingrinch is a twat and anyone who supports him is a twat as well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I'll find a link in a sec'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they reformed the system to instant runoff, we wouldn't have to worry about splitting the vote or electability of candidates...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's an instant runoff? All candidates vs. all candidates from the word "Go"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From which the Top X candidates get to face off in a final showdown?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Newt would be a great fit for some powerful watchdog force that could remain out of the in-office taint while still forcing those warming the seats to listen up and do the right things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/cnn-poll-ron-paul-tied-with-president-obama/'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you mark your preferences - if your top candidate is eliminated, your vote then goes to number 2, and so on'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that way the vote can't be split, and there's no need to worry about electability, because your voe won't split'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm gonna do like I did last time and vote with my 8-ball.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gingrinch is still a twat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can even eliminate primaries that way. Save money.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Parallel is agreeing with that Summoner Yuna person again...
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't seem to find anything on Ron Paul's Wikipedia page about abolishing the Department of Education or whatever it's called. Was that his son?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yes, it was Rand. Giant nutbag.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, I can actually live with Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For once, Republican forerunners that don't make my blood boil.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that Massachusetts has the #1 highest health premiums of all US states and territories, right?  And that with Obamacare being based on Romneycare, what we're looking at as it gets implemented is a health-care cost increase?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't pinpoint a single point of contention to each candidate and use it to classify them as unelectable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And at least he isn't a twat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't you wish people could mobilise for political reform as strongly as they did for sopa/pipa?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying they don't all the time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just that most of the time, the idiots still win.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do.  What did you think the Tea Partiers were doing all this time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kotty Piip Dashiell is agreeing with that Summoner Yuna person again...
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'just look at 2008. :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh please. The Tea Party are the biggest collection of Political Idiots I've ever seen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy could've even gotten going for real, if the hippy mentality wasn't so retarted to begin with.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They mobilized, yes. They were loud, yes. But their platform and ideas were idiotic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You need to actually have something important to say in order to bring about change.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't see people protesting as cohesively the whole citizens united thing... and electoral reform isn't even on the table.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why I wholeheartedly supported Michelle Bachmann. Had she won the Republican nomination, there wasn't a snowball's chance in Hell she'd win against Obama.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the significant movements seem to be more about social/economic reform rather than reform of the political system itself...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, but you see, Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission doesn't directly affect the American sheeple, which is why they don't care.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad the issues that directly affect the people are unlikely to get resolved until there's political reform'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, notice how the decision was entirely according to party lines (unless I'm misremebering) with the Republican-backed justices supporting it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what was CU v. FEC?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'held that corporations are protected by the first amendment's freedom of speech'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Corporations can spend unlimited amounts of money on political campaigns.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Perfect example: Google and Wiki's voice on SOPA'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single Republican-backed Supreme Court Justice voted for, every Democratic-backed Supreme Court Justice against.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'corporations should be able to vote.  Anyone who can be sued should have a voice.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's pretty crazy to let entities that can't vote donate money at all.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No... Dresory... CU vs. FEC had NOTHING to do with that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Explain?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Haslanda, that's not what it's about either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's about being able to give money to candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Short version: Before CU v. FEC, corporations could not spend unlimited amounts of money on political campaigning such as donations to candidates and ads.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'CU v. FEC ruled that they CAN.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which, effectively, removes the cap on private donations to candidates as well as long as one can slush funds through one's corporation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the decision was that congress had no power to restrict the right of corporations to spend money on election advertising'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I recall, wasn't there some issue outside of just corporations?  With the overall basis of the ruling being basically "if you can do it, they should be able to as well"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. "Political purposes".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Citizens United wanted to DO was spend a shitload of money on a campaign ad. This, however, was in violation of a previous ruling. By dissolving this prior ruling, there is no longer any cap on how much money corporations can spend for "political purposes", which includes, among other things, donations to candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is INSANE.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yuna do you disagree with me that it was about freedom of speech or do you disagree with me about Google and Wiki's act the other day being a result of CU'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I disagree with the claim that Google's and Wikipedia's actions had anything to do with the case or that the case had anything to do with their actions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their action of defiance was in no way limited prior to the ruling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I doubt all they did was protest.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'acts outside of election campaigning weren't under consideration there...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Even though they clearly spent money on a "political purpose"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they no doubt poured money in or made it known such expections would be drying up as a result of passage.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what was under consideration was a law restricting election campaigning...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hilariously, Chris Dodd, formerly a Republican politician, now a lobbyist for the entertainment industry (he went straight from office to that position, BTW) responded to Wikipedia's and Google's protest with "It's an abuse of power!".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't ever successfully kill a bill without major lobbying support.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577172982126389026.html?mod=googlenews_wsj'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying it cost Google and Wikipedia a lot of money to do what they did?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Chris Dodd is a Democrat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who exactly do you claim they paid?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Wiki shut down '
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, when you try to kill bill, the bride comes after you'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and who did they pay for that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'you don't think that cost them money?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm saying they likely did more than what you saw on Wednesday.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's an ABSENSE OF INCOME. It's not the same thing a as COST.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, CU v. FEC was all about campaigning.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I guess we can argue about the meaning of cost'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be a good idea to look up the case first, you know...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Dresory. No we CANNOT.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '=D fine then haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, how many ads do you see on wiki?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'zero'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So what did they lose money on?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I'll amend myself: Expenses, not costs.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess they lost money on the bajillion people who couldn't look up the information to donate. Costs!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Your right, they did not lose money via ads - in fact, that completely kills my argument as to Wiki.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the very least, they were threatening to withhold or even stop their campaign donations (in light of CU v FEC, of course, that could've theoretically been a very massive amount).  My bet is that Google, et al weren't content to stop at threats on future funding and paid lobbyists and paid for political ads against the bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Google did NOT shut down. They did NOT lose any money due to ads or whatever. All they did was amend their homepage.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So what exactly did THEY lose money on, besides possibly advertisers pulling out?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which they do at every occasion'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lobbying was, regrettably, already legal prior to the ruling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, that has nothing to do with CU or FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Threatening to withhold donations is threatening to do the very anti-thesis to CU vs. FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And it seems CU was primarily about whether corporations are "people" thereby protected by the first amendment's freedom of speech. Spending money on a political purpose is a form of speech.  Shutting down your website and directing people to sign a petition against a bill is also a form of political speech.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's what the lobbyist argued.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, corporations are not people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They consist OF people. But they are not people themselves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT UC v. FEC WAS ABOUT.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the LAST TIME, it was NOT about EVERY SINGLE THING corporations are and aren't allowed to do when it comes to politics!"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was SPECIFICALLY about financial CONTRIBUTIONS and ad campaigns.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Google and Wikipedia did is in NO WAY connected to UC v. FEC! It was legal before the ruling and it remains legal today (obviously).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The argument was that corporations are people (bullSHIT!) and thus they should be allowed to spend unlimited amounts on money on this and that. END OF STORY.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are unions corporations?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'UC v. FEC included unions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yuna didnt the argument that corporations "are people" win the day?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Which is why I HATE UC v. FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yes that is clear haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then your point is?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'No point in that Yuna, just messing around with you.  I like friendly debates =D'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'p.s. I agree with you that the decision was BS'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we need a SOPA-like bill for illegal immigration.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I just think that if the decision went the other way, and the court said that corporations do not have the rights of "people", then google and wiki would not be able to do what they did.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Agent Phillip enthusiastically high-fives Hanslanda!
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, because it was already legal'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I understand what your saying, however, then the case was not directly about what corporations can and can't do politically.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Dresosy. No, that would not have happened.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the bill was JUST about those two things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The pro-side just made up a BULLSHIT excuse.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to understand how laws or Supreme Court decisions are made.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the case was about whether congress had a right to limit their political spending in that way'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And what makes you think that Yuna?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gays cannot marry on the Federal Level because it is not considered a universal human right. This does NOT mean that gays are not considered humans who have basic human rights.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So just because gays cannot marry, you cannot just go out and kill them for sport.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The same logic applies here. Saying "Corporations cannot spend unlimited funds politically because they are not 'people'" does not automatically mean that corporations are not entitled to ANY rights afforded to "people".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in fact, this is even more obvious than in the gay-marriage-analogy-thing)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You are not people" =/= "You are not allowed to do anything people are allowed to do"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was more about letting nonprofits get a leg up on evil corporations.  The expected decision was that nonprofits could spend more, on account that their funding was less certain and therefore more valuable (ergo, anything they spent it on would be more trustworthy and honest).  They just got thrown a curveball that kept the status quo'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I am saying the constitution protects U.S. citizens.  If corporations are not "citizens" then they are not afforded the constitutional rights of citizens'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NO BE QUIET. GO AWAY!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the love of penises, you just WON'T get it!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I blame you, you're the explainer here.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I dislike that corporations are afforded Bill of Rights protections'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I'm to blame for his lack of common sense and logic?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'IMHO they shouldn't be protected by shit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Oh so now the rights afforded by the constitution is about common sense?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you not understanding what the fuck I'm trying to tell you is you lacking common sense.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Easy Yuna, seriously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'CU vs FEC = stupid = bad. Got it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'No need for that'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You are not 'people'" =/= "You are not afforded ANY rights of 'people'"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you NOT understand that?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or do you simply not know what "=/=" means?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'IT looks like a squinting pokemon, to be honest...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'does not equal?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm asking Dresory.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'equal slash equal does not equal not equals.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Please phrase it how I said.  I said if you are not a citizen, the rights afforded to citizens, by the consitution are not applicable to you. Go ahead yell again that I am not getting it'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'CU vs FEC help defeat SOAP/PIPA    *ducks*'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's one way to draw the proper mathematical symbol for not equals, hans'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'or you could use != ...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'programmers often use ! for not'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The CU v. FEC did not rule on whether or not corporations are considered "citizens".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your argument is invalid.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but non-programmers aren't often familiar with that convention'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Me, I just think that =/= is two rings and a wand.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people in grade school often see an equals sign with a slash through it when they start logic'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas hacks the net.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how's an equal a ring?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nethackery'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they teach logic in grade school now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Sotura, in complete agreement.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, different frame of mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'All in a row, ready to be zapped with polymorph...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas smiles happily.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'could be a mimic!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or three!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ought to have a nethack room/area on aard'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'if there isn't already'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'runto area, and your screen text is replaced by ASCII symbols?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's called tech.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas goes, "Heh."
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all new areas are to be original'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize what we DO here, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, room/area.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you've got a chess board'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our very existence, at its most basic and raw form, is a direct tribute to nethack.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'That was an old area, all new areas need to be original, yes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence my use of the term "new areas"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i know, i know, just wishful thinking'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'maybe we could con the nethack crowd into putting a port to aard next to the vibrating square'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if you need something more obvious, check out the Dungeon of Mystery next year.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but a nethack tournament on aard would be pretty cool'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'better than mafia'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'debate ah, like that, not an area, but whatever mafia is'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mafia's more like a play-by-channel text game'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'are there no multiplayer implementations of nethack?  seems like a nobrainer'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the frontrunner got turned into a newt!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'better a newt than a ginGRINCH'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'newt gingrich wins in south carolina primary'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'SC has a sense of humor :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'retarded'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'it's a state full of retards'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe not. Maybe they were telling the reps that they didn't really like any of the candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so they picked the worse one.''
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'who does? but surely anyone can find a better example of a human than gingrich'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's a perfect message. "This is what we think of you" :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'South Carolina's Republicans rated the ability to beat Obama as a candidate's most important quality, an exit poll on CNN showed. Forty-five percent of voters said that was the main attribute they sought in a nominee. Of that group, 51 percent voted for Gingrich compared to 37 percent for Romney.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I farted'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so romney loosing support from those that don't trust the LDS?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, his support has been pretty constant'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'LSD?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he's only the frontrunner as long as the anti-romney vote is split'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the newt is gaining ground ? perhaps seen more as a washington insider than Mitt ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'no but seriously...i farted'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'later day saints not d lysergic acid dythilamide .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '....but seriously....'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it remains to be seen if he's jst the anti romney of the moment'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only does them damage to have this draw out so long , imo Newt has been gaining traction attacking Obama as well as attacking Mitt etc .'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah he has a habit of foot shooting '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder if any of them stand any chance of beating obama though'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The guy who says he will outlaw corporate donations to political concerns should win every damn vote in that country...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love Newts line on a second "more radical" term from Obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except no one in it will suggest anything remotely close'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Right sonshi.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah they have even relaxed donation legislation with the special group ? special pax? groups ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'superpacs?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...Super PAC is the death of US democracy'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats the one '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I MUD first and listen to the news second :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was already bleeding to death before...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And it isn't so much relaxed as completely removed via a proxy'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Super PAX... I like the sound of that.  Cape-wearing gaming-convention man!'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and Yank politics is so damn entertaining '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wanna donate a billion in exchange for a new law? Make a PAC, done deal'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Obama- someones employee of the month .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That latest quote from, who is it, Chris Dodds I think? Head of the MPAA threatening to withdraw funding because he didn't get the laws he paid for'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Someone needs to shoot that guy, fast.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Careful, they actually do that here.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think it would benefit your country if your politicians weren't so corrupt'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo that will never happen , they are too damn careful and the few plots they uncovered that we heard about were idiot white supremacists'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what the american founding fathers didn't anticipate was the day when the conflict between "freedom of speech" and political freedom would come into such great conflict...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among other things'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the political system , along with the banking system need to be taken back to 0 and started again '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The hard-on the US seems to have for some dead guys who wrote some anti-Brit stuff is as mind-bogglingly strange as the pervasiveness of religion in your government'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No matter how intelligent they were, they could NOT have anticipated how completely the world has changed'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And presuming to do things the same way they did, or even close, is ludicrous'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Imo religion and politics were at thier hight under Bush and have since waned ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the ideals they wrote aren't problematic imo'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is their application '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also that whole right to bear arms thing... in an age without nukes, jets, or even tanks...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Waned? HA! - have you seen the "I am not afraid to call myself a Christian" video? Like a whack job on film, and someone like him could rule the whole US'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'made great sense then...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, they did anticipate that the world would change, which is why they had provisions for the constitution to be changed, like any reasonable people would allow for...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both the first and second amendments were meant to deal with overbearing governments, not your neighbors. They were supposed to ensure that those in power would not try to subjugate the people. They were not intended for what they are used for now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The 'higher appeal' they wrote of was written in a world of racism, slavery, religous persecution and landed gentry - it was not anywhere near as 'lofty' as the US primary school indoctrination seems to make it out to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I actually agree with the population having a right to be able to be effective partisans on their own back , not sure on the ramifications of that though '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Don't worry vakieh, politicians are actually to brainwashed to actually believe anything, including God. Mostly all religion does is give one party a huge mindless voting block.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The population shouldn't NEED to fight the government - they ARE the government - any time it is needed is when those before them failed'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the founding fathers only concern was to protect the landowners, which were the only ones who had rights.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike back then, small arms are so cheap these days that people in countries plunged into chaos can easily obtain small arms, whether they were banned or not when the country was stable...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia has wide areas of land that are undefendable and a probable invasion sourcwe from the north , would help to have the population shooting back with more than bolt action rifles n shotgus , just wouldn't trust 2 in 10 with the responsability to bear anything like military arms '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inhospitable deserts aren't the best places to put a forward base for an invasion though...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but there are ppl that live here and are used to it , would certainly slow down any invasion force , provided conventional war that is '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to slow down ships and jets. Much better to just build more anti-ship capability'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subs are very good for preventing a sea invasion'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until they get taken out, anyway'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep , LOL Australia is really good at building submarines :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have enough subs, and they can't approach except under heavy escort'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seriously - ever want a laugh - look up Collins Class sub program Austraila '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as they don't get sunk...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of Austs biggest military failures '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just needs to be a sub fleet in being'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't think we have crew for more than one of them and there are only 8-12 in the class .'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'crew's not quite the greatest problem when it comes to subs..'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of australians around'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'getting em to work in subs , where you'd have to thing with limited space the positions are specialised is a diff matter '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no burger flippers in subs ? hell we struggle trying to get real burger flippers '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, just a question of salaries'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the prob with having a liad back clture is noone wants to work in it '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an soz for the typing , one of those stupid bananna keyboards atm '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'banana keyboards?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bananna shaped '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ergonomic'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've seen plenty of hardworking aussies! Just not in australia.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'erganomic my a$$ gimme RSI and a flat standard size keyboard anyday '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(was a joke)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeh there are alot of hard working ppl here just .. ah complex issue - 4-7% unemplayment depending on where you go and yet businesses are screaming out for workers , skills shortage here and a mining boom and a slack welfare system .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how the heck does the U.S. have jurisdiction over him?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aveba: 'over who?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, brown seaweed can make up to 5 times the biofuel output as corn, but only 3 percent of the world's coastline can produce enough seaweed to replace 60 billion gallons of gas.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Along with the black plague they say they have stored in a safe place incase 'it ever happens again' instead of storing the formula for the antibody, Bioterror fears halt research on mutant bird flu http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 , this is after soldiers arriving home from iraq in a washington hospital had a strange flu that was that h1n1, and it escaped into the public'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think, is the real problems being dealt with or who their problems are?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that on abcnews about the h1n1 flu coming from iraq soldiers in american hospital, though they didn't say it was h1n1 it was adjacent to that phase'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe these bbc researchers invented that one too?  and this is just a if you don't follow orders that could happen kind of article?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dutch architects building 9/11 towers in south korean art modernization comes to mind among other supporting factors'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Should the debate channel be used to discuss politics?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate "American Pickers"'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good for nothing, slimy, thieves'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a reality show.  What did you expect?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wish someone would shoot these motherfuckers.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'or you could just change the channel'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'watch jersey shore, it'll calm you down'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Only if some bitch gets punched in the face.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'if you want that watch womens boxing'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'or watch nothing, all television is a grand scam'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'yea most of those shows lowball people cause they need the money '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ergh, yeah, I can't watch this.  These assholes are robbing this poor woman blind.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'she had a choice'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'True, but they deliberately lie and mislead their victims into selling.  They aren't forthright or honest at all.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'keep your crap or be on tv'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'enough people are stupid enough to choose the latter'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'fortunately President Santorum will save us all from cruft'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I find Santorum to be a horrifying human being.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What about Gingrinch?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'Ging the Grinch is only slightly worse than the Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'i cannot believe that santorum started the CUM donation drive. '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'at that point we're broking platitudes, so what's the diff?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Birds of a feather, I say, only Santorum isn't also a huge hypocrite.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i'm very keen on Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Santorum started the CUM donation drive? After what his name has been made synonymous to? It has to be deliberate. Or one of his interns is gay and sabotaging him.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'I think we should all take a moment to reflect on the true intention of SOPA: removing Santorum from the google database...'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'freedom to Santorum is the prescience to choose Santorum's religion, or to rot'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'i thought it was a joke until I went to www.ricksantorum.com'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the only Santorum i can acknowledge is the photo where he admitted defeat'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the wife all "whatever," the daughter all "i has a sad," the son all "i saw balls," and the little lady wearing a dress which matched her doll'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, when did Santorum admit defeat and on what?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'years ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2012/01/08santorum.jpg'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I dislike his forced birthing stance plus TRIPLING the breeder tax benefit per child.  GREAT way to bring down the national deficit, that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'he lost his damn seat'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder why.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'and he generated in the process the most glorious photograph in the history of murican history'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how wingnuts like Santorum like to argue that gay marriage has never been part of any society up 'til now. Just shows how little they know about society.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i printed that photograph and pasted it all over my walls'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lolololol, in September of last year, Rick Santorum tried to get Google to make the anal sex-connotated definition of "Santorum" from appearing so liberally when one Googles his name. I wonder what his position on SOPA is... (I'm too lazy to look it up)'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'sometimes not knowing is half the battle'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ahahahahaha... his Wikipedia has taught me so much. Santorum doesn't believe in the "right to privacy" (trollololol) and he stated in 2003 that he wants laws against polygamy (and adultery and sodomy). News flash, Santorum: There already are laws against it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so he believes in the wrong to privacy?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are federal laws against buttsex?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the simplest way to express santorum's policy is that he looks upon sharia with deep envy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think he meant gays by sodomy and the other naughty stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was talking about polygamy. There are no laws against the stuff within paranthesis. Although the official platform of the Texas Republican Party IS to outlaw sodomy again.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm pretty sure that's not true.  Source?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's sodomy anyway? i never got that'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i think they ought to outlaw masturbation while hanging yourself... it's just too dangerous!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sodomy is buttsex'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'are you sure about the no laws against sodomy?  i thought there were still laws on the books in some states about that'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meanwhile they don't address the drug cartels that are marauding about the countryside.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are state and local laws against sodomy, but they are generally of the strange, unenforced kind.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'some states still have the law against sodomy. few enforce it since you need a search warrant to prove it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is sodomy defined anywhere in the law?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'technically, there are still laws on the books that prevent 3 single women from being roommates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or you can call any kinky shit sodomy and be done with it?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'let's not allow penile tattoos!  They're too freaky!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fundie seem to use it to refer to anything other than the missionary position.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sodomy is ANY sex besides vaginal sex.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'some states define sodomy as simply as penile-anal contact.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so any non-procreational sex then?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'and as yuna states, there are also those strange states that state anything outside of missionary procreation to be sodomy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'god bless america'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Speaking of contraceptives, Rick Santorum is against the sale of contraceptives to married couples. WTF.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'there's also states that have laws against eating donuts while walking backwards.  doesn't mean it's right.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Nonexist.
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I found this a week or so ago, and was greatly amused:'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-361'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Like I said Yuna - MANDATORY parenthood OR ELSE'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't understand why the us is called the land of the free'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Blowjobs are a felony in Virginia.  Not kidding.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no jackboots storming in during the night.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'santorum would criminalize consensual sexual relations between a married couple if they did not screw for the sake of procreation'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'There shouldn't be any strip clubs inside hotdog stands, there, it had to be said'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. VIRGINia :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'eating donuts while walking backwards... while typing it in was ridicilous enough,,'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank god I got sterilized already... before that whackjob outlaws it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i live in virginia, so i'm not laughing'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'has anyone been actually prosecuted with that charge?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I doubt it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'doesn't matter, starling. if anyone touches your sun-don't-shine for any reason other than procreation, it's either rape or sodomy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, who the fuck would outlaw blowjobs?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'as for blowjobs, probably not'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'someone who's not getting them, Dagnir.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure it was tried, with said charge thrown out of court amid uproarious laughter and uncomfortable titters and perhaps admonishments to overzealous prosecutors.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'but there have in fact been people in virginia prosecuted for cheating on a spouse'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but someone had to vote on it. still doesn't make sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, I realize he is probably miserable with that cow of a wife and the bratty kids, but why does he want to visit that pain on everyone else by outlawing contraception and whatnot?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'even when neither spouse opts to file charges'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is it really that hard to just leave that sow?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'in virginia you have to be separated one year minimum to divorce'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that if your dog gets summoned for jury duty, it's a crime if you do not show up?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'if either party claims the other visited, the countdown resets to zero'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, i'm going to bed. too much stupid on this channel'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'fucking fact: virginia is a shithole'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'nobody wants to live in virginia'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about utah? i've heard having fun is a felony there'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'utah is a special case'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i live in utah'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'an old friend of mine lives in utah. she's not a mormon.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i had a lot of fun in utah'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'same as any other state'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, a Baptist church once banned interracial couples (and by "once" I mean "last year"). When the heads of their cult threw the ban out because it was illegal, a pastor at the church who has since stepped down (I wonder why) claimed he wasn't a racist. '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'she claims it's a heck of a place'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but perhaps they just didn't catch me'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaah, Utah, the place where the Mormon Church actually owns a piece of a plaza in public space (there are absolutely no signs to indicate where the space stops being actually public) in SAlt Lake City (I think) and where they have to right to stop anyone they don't like from walking on said plaza and have them arrested.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'my friend said she was endlessly harassed through public schools'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'not just by kids, but by adults as well'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you be harassed through public school?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cyberbullying'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there are quite a few biggots here, but thats not unlike most of this country'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the kids beat her up and insulted her, the teachers failed her'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not through the school. That's just while in school.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'laws are going into effect where teachers cannot digitally interact with their students via social media while using school property, but there are no similar laws for student-to-student interaction.  Essentially, they're unsupervised.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'maybe. smile sweetly and explain that to the kid living through it'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'my friend survived, but i'd call her emotionally broken now. kind of a waste, she's quite hot'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm so excited! We're mere minutes away from guaranteeing an unsatisfying bullshit response! https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"A cat belonging to an Arkansas Democratic campaign manager was found dead on Sunday night with the word "Liberal" spray-painted across its side,"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'oh geeze, people here in arkansas always do dumb stuff and make us look bad lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised the killer didn't also accuse him of being a Communist.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The mixed-breed Siamese cat had one side of its head bashed in to "the point the cat's eyeball was barely hanging from its socket," the release said."'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arkansas, where they banned gay adoption (I think) in 2008. Real class acts those Arkansasians.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no offense, but I don't think they're trying to make other Arkansawans look bad...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rather cruel...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder if it's one of the neighbours'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that gay parents make better parents.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i dont believe thats their intention either.. but good lord'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'not all of us are like that, just most lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must be someone who knew whom the cat belonged to'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Studies show that gay parents are equal to if not better than heterosexual parents. Children of Lesbians are the most well-adjusted.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if that has any correlation to the fact that childrearing is still predominantly woman's work?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'The dead cat notwithstanding, I would be pretty creeped out if someone hated me enough to kill my pet in such a fashion... if I had a pet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that is, it's not that lezzies are that much better so much as they're Mom squared.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Male) gay households still produced children just as if not more well-adjusted than that of the average opposite-sex household. So probably not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The funny thing is that since they used "Liberal" as a slur, they are likely to be of the "Family values" demographic. Great family values, killing people's cats.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did they correct for education and wealth?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had someone poison our dog once.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'what exactly does 'well adjusted' mean?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'family values only apply to people like you'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'duh'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well-adjusted means how... well... how well they are. Mentally, physically, when interacting with others, etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my opinion of well adjusted is not possessing any debilitating mental issues, key word on debilitating'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Generally, it means they do well in school, keep healthy relationships with their parents and peers and look like they're growing up to be great people in the future.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I think well adjusted is subjective'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well-adjusted means Little Princess isn't dressing provocatively or acting far more mature than her age when ponies and rainbows are still all the rage to her.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, it usually involves not killing people's cats because they're Liberal.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'well, that I agree with'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, your son's not very well-adjusted if he's the subject of an article entitled "Dad at age 13"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I thought your kids were well-adjusted if you took them to the chiropracter'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'great grandmother at 30'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I just get warry when people start throwing around terms like well adjusted'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how big was the cat?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, is it even possible to spraypaint 7 legible characters on a cat?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'i wasn't going to ask that, but that ran through my mind too, I'm not sure I could paint liberal on the side of a cat'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't say, but there are pictures...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about 10 lbs, but that's a conservative estimate.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/liberal-dead-cat-arkansas-a-google-search-tells-a-partisan-story/2012/01/24/gIQAukABOQ_blog.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'has one picture, among others'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'other articles have grisly descriptions'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other news, Faux Noise (Fox News) barely covered the story at all, and certainly not in print or on the airwaves. Colour me surprised! Fair and balanced apparently means "One side of the story".'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess they were too busy making Russian infographics that involve more than 100% of people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like they did report on it, actually.  Timestamps don't seem to indicate doing so before today, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I can't think of any news outlet that's fair and balanced'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my guess is that they wanted to verify the story before rushing off to criticize some italian cruise captain for letting his ship flood.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to that piece, Faux Noise only did a "wire piece", which indicates an online article. Nothing on the airwaves, nothing in print.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, if anyone alleges a Democrat did anything wrong, they run that shit at once (and never apologize or correct themselves if they are later proven wrong) and repeat it ad nauseum all day long.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a demand for certain types of "news services". They do it because it's profitable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone does that, though.  Even the smalltime players you think are on the up-and-up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they do it because, like it or not, people want to watch it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like in that Mel Gibson movie Payback.  If you go up high enough, there's always just one person.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'you're not implying that news outlets are entertainment business that try to make a profit by tailoring their stories to the types of people that watch them?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, and unsurprisingly, a lot of people prefer to hear what they already believe...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and find bias in things they don't agree with?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but Faux Noise is at the head of that kind of "journalism". They're also notorious and pretty much in the minority for jumping on unverified crap and never correcting themselves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'o.O'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It baffles me how they can retain their status as a "news" corporation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that really is objectively true, Sonshi, then Americans as a whole REALLY don't want liberals in power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a difference between slanted and made up shit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, someone has to cater to the sort of people who least believe in searching for the truth...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not americans as a whole, but it's a large enough minority that it's worth making a channel which caters to them.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you have channels for people who like history, channels for people who like sci fi... and fox for people who like... that sort of stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bill o'reilly is my guilty pleasure'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and msnbc?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fox, MSNBC (obviously a liberal propaganda machine, but undeniably a channel just like Fox), CNN, CSPAN, etc'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MSNBC is a propaganda channel, but at least they don't run unverified tripe and never correct themselves. Again, slanting =/= Lying, which is why I hate Fox with a passion.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you wanted a less biased news source for american news, you'd be looking at mostly non-us sources...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like Al-jazeera? :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, bbc, reuters, even al-j is okay. At least you know what their slants are going to be.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bbc'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really don't think MSNBC isn't doing the whole slanting/lying/spin/etc thing you think Fox is doing?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Slanting? Yes. Spinning? Yes. Outright lies? Isolated incidents and not company standard.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with bbc you can ignore stuff that relates to the brits, al-j the stuff that relates to israel, etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do it more, and there are far more stories not told through the NBC family than there are not told through the Fox family.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Omission =/= Lies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it depends on what you omit'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox jumped on the "I got attacked by an Obama supporter and had a B carved into my face!" bullshit story. I don't think they EVER aired a retraction once it was uncovered that the bitch did it to herself.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. that really happened?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. She was too stupid to do it properly. She did it while looking in the mirror and carved a backwards B. That's what gave her away and she finally broke down and confessed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'do it for the lulz?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox ran that story to the ground the minute she spoke to the press. Not a single retraction from what I could tell.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did that happen?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Last Presidential election cycle (2008).'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft!  Might as well write you off as an Al Gore recounter, then.  Thought it was something more recent.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.wtae.com/news/17789356/detail.html | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080189/Young-Republican-claimed-Obama-supporter-carved-letter-B-face-robbery-story-police-say.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying Faux has changed in the past 4 years?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see why so many American trust Rupert Murdoch, an Australian business magnate who fostered a corporate environment in the U.K. so corrupt their newspapers started hacking people's phones, including that of a missing teen (who turned up dead) WHILE SHE WAS MISSING.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claims to have had no knowledge of these apparently widespread and long-term corporate shenanigans. That has already cost them millions in damages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the best part about that crazy college student is that the B was backwards ala she did it in a mirror'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama hooks up drug cartels by sending them gun and laundering their money.  Clearly, those in power are the ones doing all the bad things and so should be prosecuted as such.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what, you DIDN'T know DEA was laundering drug money?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Care to provide any credible sources for that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the dea did that, its not like obama is in mexico handing out weapons'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Operation Fast and Furious should provide more than enough such links for the gun stuff.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, in other news, bit of fighting in bani walid. Early news articles claimed that pro-gaddafi forces had pushed out NTC troops, but now it appears that some local faction was trying to paint some other faction as being counterrevolutionaries after losing a fight.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do realize that Obama isn't a dictator, right? He can't just say "Make it so" or "Stop doing that".'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People working for the government are doing it =/= Obama is doing it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct30/0,4670,AttackMcCainSticker,00.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, the government is so packed with political appointees stretching back for decades, it's hard for regular people to tell who's responsible for what anymore.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess Obama's cat was slain recently and had the word "Liberal" carved into it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my point was that you can't hold the men in power (ie, Rupert Murdoch) directly accountable for the scandals that are committed by their holdings JUST because they are the men in power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that cat was ruining america!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fox's update on the 'carved B into face', also from 2008, about her being arrested for lying to the police.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say that's what I thought. I was not so subtly implying that I highly doubt he was unaware of the shennanigans.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic: Wire pieces. Not on the air.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's gotten bad enough that there are probably lots of people working to discredit their opponents for political gain, even as it damages the country.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'see every republican candidate this year'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I don't *watch* fox, but you said 'not one single retraction', if you meant otherwise you should've clarified'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Almost every single Republican candidate this year discredits themselves by their own actions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every democrat, too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I should've clarified, Majic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the independants are getting in on the action.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what, shock and horror, politicians are scum?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just think that if you run a story on-air ad nauseum, when it's proven to be fake, you should run a retraction on-air as well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how much fox do you watch, and why??? :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because a bajillion people saw the news footage but didn't read the retraction. And Fox knows that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't actually watch Fox. I see a few things here and there. And if it's really outrageous, I pay attention.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'because the narrative drives the content, and part of the conservative narrative is "we are never wrong"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, that wire piece retraction that Faux Noise ran, it was posted SIX DAYS after Ashley Todd admitted to it being a hoax.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Faux also makes sure to wait long enough for people to have forgotten about stuff before admitting they ran bullshit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a few people, it's a bit as if, God can't be on the wrong side, so I can't be wrong...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that was posted so they have a rebuttal to the constant attacks on their accuracy'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, the "God's with me" politicians. Sarah Palin, why didn't you enter the race? What a glorious catfight that would've been. Palin vs. Bachmann.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stretcher: Well, obviously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the narrative drives the content, facts are secondary'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the link I pasted was the first one I found on search fox for "Ashley todd"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, here's the second link, posted 5 days earlier. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct25/0,4670,AttackMcCainSticker,00.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, they ran a retraction the day AFTER she confessed. Still a day late. But at least it's not 6 days.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, they made a big hullabaloo about it on air and only ran retractions on their website.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stand corrected. They ran a retraction the same day she confessed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And then... they ran the exact same article the next day?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'for clicks'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holy dildoes, it's the EXACT same article, verbatim. Posted once on the 24th and once on the 25th.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'they are a prolific organization, but not noted for their accuracy :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MSNBC does the same thing.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the news-forwarding sites do, too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, repost articles verbatim one day apart?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and make big deals out of stories with inconvenient retractions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. It's pretty common actually to see the same story posted online by several different news-sites.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'including, yes, the same one on consecutive days.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'people who work for news companies really don't seem to care about textual quality.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'typos, mischaracterizations, in a few extreme cases outright lies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although in this case it's the stupid attention-seeking chick '
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'who lied'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Majic. It's the SAME news source.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox News posted the SAME article twice, verbatim, two days in a row'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, Yuna, that's what my 'including the same one on consecutive days''
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why yes, I had gathered that. I am able to read, and you had already said that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I said that that is not uncommon.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 's.o.u. time'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yay?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear they found the cure for cancer now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it's more of a vaccine'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'at least from what I had heard, but yeah'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it had the word liberal painted on it?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant through iTunes itself. Using other programs is cumbersome.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Sajak: (hic!) Sorry, there's no E in the puzzle. Contestant: ...I said H, Pat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear that Pat Sajak used to do Wheel of Fortune tapings while drunk?'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guh, digital TV was such a fucking tarded idea'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least analog could tolerate poor signal reception, worst you would get is a fuzzy picture'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Much better than the psychedelic mush that happens now.  Am I right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'GOP Debate: Romney-Gingrich circlejerk. Oh joy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe just heard another candidate flush down the toilet of potency as Gingrich proposes to colonize the moon as president.....
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Are there any democratic possibilities other than Obama?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'usually the president is auto in afaik'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Depends on the pres and the year and their popularity'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Gingrich doesn't plant to that untill his second term don't try to make him sound crazy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'i bet people have split into two major categories: they receive food stamps or they support republicans'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'thanks to obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i hate both parties'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'I need to get food stamps, but I hate both parties too'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obama was set up in 2006 to be the democratic patsy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'food stamps are really helpful if you qualify'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i think it was 2004, and what was he a patsy for?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'right, but obama made every effort that people who make their own money hate him now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'gingrich would actually fix the economy, so let's vote for obama!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can qualify for food stamps if you're unemployed and sitting on a couple hundred million of deferred income.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well when you can spend your foodstamps on filet mignon and lobster, not right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'you can't really sit on deferred income without income, as you have various prop taxes to pay'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'could you use your whole months food stamps to buy a tin of beluga caviar, i wonder'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ain't no property taxes on retirement accounts and suchlike.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'you could, but if you really need to feed yourself and a family, you would not buy beluga'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ph 15'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if you had something like a Roth IRA going, any principal you put in can be taken out taxfree whenever you wish with no sort of penalty beyond the obvious one of not having that money working for you.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'that's because with a roth ira you've already paid the taxes on that income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'Modi: you can use your foodstamps in Whole Foods, and even in Life Thyme'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'how many millionaires do you think there are on food stamps and how many people living in poverty are on food stamps?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and most states only have a subset of items able to be purchased with food stamps'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'Life Thyme is one of the most expensive grocety shops in NYC'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these are the same millionaires most people think are weaseling out of paying their fair share in taxes, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'I doubt any millionaire would be greedy enough to do food stamps too'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'so let's fix the tax code instead of food stamps'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think people smart enough to avoid paying taxes aren't going to go for easy money?  Any scenario that makes it unlikely for them to do so generally destroys the evil-millionaire argument.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Amount of paperwork is incredible'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure there are some, but not common enough that it'd cost less to police than is being lost'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are documented cases of people who were of means having been busted for welfare scam.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'welfare's different than food stamps...welfare is cash in hand'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those are the "few".  There's a far bigger pool of people who didn't get caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are also documented cases of millionaires who panhandle.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only mentally-imbalanced ones...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there are waste, corruption, and scams abound... it doesn't mean the need doesn't exist'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what I meant, Hanslanda.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yep, waste, corruption, scams everywhere....so let's just keep expanding government to make these problems even bigger'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, it's a myth to say government is the cause of humans acting badly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'panhandling is about the worst ROI for effort...it's time-consuming, labor-intensive, for not all that much gain'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it could be argued that greed is unbalancing except that it is hardwired on just about all living creatures.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not the cause, merely an enabler in some cases'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what about that farm-aid program intended to help black farmers?  More than a few millionaires got handouts from programs like that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'should churches all be disbanded because there are some bad priests?  should all businesses be destroyed because some of them are crooked?  it's windmilling...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you'd have to define "some", Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'my point here is that nothing is pure, and arguing that because government programs are not pure, they have to be reduced, is a dangerous simplification that can have very bad results... government waste has to be addressed, but not simply by slash and burn'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said gov't was the cause for people acting badly, it's a huuuuge enabler though, *nod abelinc'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'sorry, most of those programs DO need to be reduced, not eliminated, reduced'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'first rule of cleanup is demolition and cleanup.  Get rid of the trash, let it sit and suffer a while, then build new.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sotura, the thing is, those who play the game strictly by the rules are rare and far in between. I doubt any businessman with a chance to make a profit will look at the ethics of the situation hard enough to dissuade him if the legality is in order.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he can't afford to'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he could afford to if all abided.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the first item on the agenda should be the military industrial complex... not welfare, not social security... etc.  the biggest source of fraud right now is there, and oil second... i believe'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that is why he can't afford to.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if everyone abided in JUST the construction industry, we'd be paying double or triple what we pay now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in any case, we've got huge crimes being commmitted in all the corporate sectors, and the first target is the poor?  that's ridiculous'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what programs are we talking about now? when I came in, it was food stamps, so I'm not quite sure what businessmen we're discussing, and I wouldn't say that people validly on welfare or food stamps are few & far between nowadays'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so your claim is that if contractors didn't overcharge we would be paying more?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it's not a real solution, it's a smoke screen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that if people wouldn't accept bribes we would be paying more?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they woudl still be overcharging, but stuff would be far more expensive and they wouldn't be trying to cut corners.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting mathematical model :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'forgive me if I say you make no sense. To me cost + overcharge will always be greater than cost.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'prosecute corporate criminals... it's a much higher priority... the attack on welfare recipients is a smoke screen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction is getting double-whammied by rising costs and cheap labor, which means as a bidder I can give you a great-looking price that's around half of what I need to charge you just to break even.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'debate get rid of the pacs, that's insane... correct campaign financing... these are all much bigger deals than welfare fraud'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if contractors didn't overchage to begin with, something that percolates through the entire financial world, they wouldn't be in the bind there in now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'that's funny, because i know of tons of welfare fraud around these parts, and i'm from a little town in ohio'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do realize they are currently overcharging and still not making cost, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: '0h'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, why do we pay so much for beef now? Well, because in the 1970's cattle ranchers decided that they weren't getting enough for their beef (their greed index rouse dramtically) and withheld meat from the markets until they got a much higher price. We are still answering to that move.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they obviously got the idea from the middle eastern oil producers :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the average american could stand to eat less beef than they do now anyway'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'beside the point'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i missed whatever point you were trying to make'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'the average american can stand to eat, period.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they got it from far earlier sources.  Henry Ford's nemeses in the unionizers, for example.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I was pointing out that the cost of things have less to do with supply and demand than with the greed of the producer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction unions are no longer competitive.  they cost too much, and coupled with rising materials costs something's gotta give.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't disagree with you there, anaristos... i've never bought the supply and demand argument'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's why the trickle-down theory that Reagan was so hot on does not work, because if you ease the tax burden on the producer all he will do is pocket the difference rather than let it trickle down to the consumer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'prices are fixed all the time, in most industries'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no i agree, trickle-down is nonsense... voodoo economics was a good term... reagen got extremely lucky to get in on a good business cycle, and people have been praising his crazy policies ever since'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, ultimately the fault lies for the consumer for acting as if the producer is doing him a favor by ripping him off.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'here's a pie chart of the proposed budget in 2009... it shows what i'm talking about... if you're going to focus on government waste, it doesn't make sense not to start with the biggest piece of the pie, defense at 58%... http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/us-budget-2009.jpg'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the producer raises the price of beef? Fine, let him eat it then, the consumer just walks away and eats something else. Let's see how long the beef price stays high.  But no, the price goes up and the consumer lines up to pay.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'defense isn't waste, especially now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's plenty of waste in defense'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh? What id defense defending against at the moment?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'more than in all the other pieces combined'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you can't be that dense anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'imo, most, if not all, the current military situations that the US armed forces are currently responding to, were artificially induced.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there are private mercenaries making obscene amounts of money and a lot of it is not necessary'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'low-flying airplanes and nuclear bombs hidden in vending machines'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'most of the weapons manufactured do not need to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'says who? you?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'okay, says who not?  you?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it should be obvious to you that Iraq and Afghanistan were products of fiction.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're #1 because we have gear nobody else can deal with effectively, not because we're the best-trained military.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'uh, says the budget sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '#1 in what respect?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see, so if the budget dictates, then it must be so...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, that's generally how it works'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well then we can't cut anything!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'selling military scout cookies, obviously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we also volunteer at foreign hospitals as candy-stripers, and support foreign economies by offering cheap labor.  Someone's gotta pay for all that, ya know.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i can't understand how you could possibly believe there's no such thing as waste in military spending... this is extremely well documented'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said that, why are you putting words in my mouth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of what the military does doesn't involve getting into combat in the first place.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, it seemed like you were saying that to me... i thought you said we couldn't cut defense spending at all'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying that waste is necessary?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'You who, Anaristos?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything inevitable is necessary.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said there wasn't waste, whenever government gets involved in anything there is always going to be some degree of waste'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so let's privatize the military. Instant savings. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'speaking of which, i'm looking into buying a handgun soon, any suggestions?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'colt python :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'use a reputable dealer'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'colt python?  hrm....i'll give that a look'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those trafficking in street pieces generally don't take very good care of them, and you may end up blowing your face off instead of the intruder's'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'lol oh no, i'm not going that route'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'The main point I'm making is that the argument by Republicans, most noticeably recently by Gingrich with his racist food stamp remarks, that the poor are the source of government waste is ludicrous... and if we examine the defense budget carefully, we'll find plenty to cut, and probably have a lot left over to rebuild our economy with... we're working with a very broken model at the moment'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the .357 colt python or the sig sauer P210 9mm parabellum...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the poor aren't the source, it's the people abusing the system that are the source'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'hrm ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Gingrich's argument is that it's too easy to game the system instead of being one of the necessaries.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and he ought to know :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly... what a hypocrite'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the same thing is happening with the stolen-iphone industry.  The same Apple policies that make it extremely easy and hassle-free to get your malfunctioning apple product fixed is helping to support the thieves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'hypocrite or not, he would fix the economy, i'm sure of it, hell i believe the last time the budget was balanced was when he was in control of the house....could be wrong on that but i think that's right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are naive :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think that is very very wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'don't get me wrong... i agree there's fraud in welfare, and that needs to be taken care of as well... but it isn't really going to solve any of our fundamental problems, and using it to ignore the big ticket items is nonsense... smoke and mirrors'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'so when was the last balanced budget?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know of a president which will "fix" anything. Vested interests of either party demand that the tax payer be screwed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty sad how we're debating if idiot #1 or idiot #2 is best suited to challenge idiot #3...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's no way gingrich would improve the economy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: '9mm luger any good?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was never any balanced budgets'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'agreed again, anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '"welfare fraud" as a practice is extremely minimal and when studied its normally workers committing fraud not people on welfare'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't trust the modern lugger as I would the original.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Congress has yet to pass any legislation that forces them to work within the bounds of a defined budget'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the sig sauer is almost flowless. The colt python is probably the best that company makes, imho.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think democrats (I generally vote democrat) are what Republicans were 40 years ago....none of it is liberal enough for me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'flawless*'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and all politicians are run by corporate politics'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, fixing the pork barrel is a giant task that is in the wrong hands, and always will be, it seems to me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we won't be literal enough until we have a large army able to operate within its own borders.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'alright, i'll check both those out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think pork barrel is less a problem than lobbyists'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the minute you vote in the challenger, they become the incumbent, and the pork barrel is tilted their way'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't need liberalism, it needs honesty and a devotion to the tax payer. That has always lacked to some degree or other, never as much as now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'btw, newt's house passed the balanced budget amendment, went down in senate by one vote'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'liberals have gotten too lazy in their defense of democracy... power has increasingly fallen into the hands of the rich.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'say what you will about Hitler's Nazis, but they really knew how to run things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny because i would include that in my definition of "liberal"...a devotion to the tax payer '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's because professionalism and idealism don't intersect.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'got to fix both special interests and pork barrel, can't fix one without fixing the other'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'been drifting in the wrong direction for many decades already, I think'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a devotion to the tax payer should be a requirement for anyone in office regardless of party affiliation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newt cut all social items to help slash taxes for corporations ....hes full of crap and just read "real change" hes an idiot  hypocrite'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont consider it a balanced budget just because the numbers add up....all of his policies kill everyone but the upper crust'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, obama has been awesome'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most politicians, however, use their positions for personal gain and if anything good astray toward the tax payer, they consider that collateral damage :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nocturnus, most voting, i've found, to be choosing the lesser of two evils... there's never really a 'good' candidate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'no, his policies don't choke small businesses and actually make it possible to get out from under the thumb of gov't'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he better than most but i think the status quo (Obama included) is damaged'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah that's usually right sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is more efficient a president as Bush.  Only took him half as long to bomb out.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'who's better than most?  obama?  you just lost all credibility ucla'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why should you have to choose between the lesser of two evils? The voter has tremendous veto power. If no one votes for anyone, the message will be quite loud and clear. Do as we ask or get a day job.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'obama, though he has many flaws, is a lesser evil to any of the current republican candidates'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol based on what your opinion or any credible facts'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's quite idealistic anaristos... i hope so, but i doubt it'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i've voted third party before myself'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you have no credible facts to say that obama is 'better than most', that is your opinion'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not idealistic, it's jut that the public lacks the balls to wield its power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'reagan started this crap economy with trickle down economics that caused us to lose most of production industries overseas'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'huh?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people think that they must be governed so they just put up with whatever.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have plenty....tax breaks, health care for starters'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'that's not true at all, trickle down helps businesses, it wouldn't make them move'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'most people are too busy buying ipods and mercedes to pay attention topolitics'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot about Carter.  Carter was the beta version of Obama, and even democrats are embarassed about what he ended up doing.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it does not'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, trickle down helps businesses, it doesn't help the consumer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i argue it's idealistic precisely because the public does lack the balls... now, it's not to say that at a special moment in history we won't rise up as one, but those are far and few between...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'trickle down is the single worst policy of this decade'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Ucla.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'ucla is trying to say that trickled down caused businesses to move overseas.....lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, lax tax laws are more at fault. If businesses drifting overseas could not ovoid their tax burden, they would not go.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nothing trickled down and it enriched corporations with funding to move to cheaper labor ...we are now a service economy without people trained to provide service'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, of the past three decades'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im a music and tax attorney ....tax laws are a direct result of people like your boy newt'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than ideological issues, I think it's more important to break the power of the two parties'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't vote, or better yet, vote for yourself :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow newt is more powerful than i thought'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'was extremely powerful'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a discovered crook :) So he should fit in the White House :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet im the only one here that has read any of newts books'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i still have a hard time believing newt came back... he was in such disgrace... people have short memories'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pressure the politicians and vote single issue on electoral reform - instant runoff, for example, if implemented will break the major parties once and hopefully for all...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its not memories .....hes the best choice for his cronies'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, Sotura, money talks and bullshit walks. Those behind newt are the ones to be worried about.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more the retardedness of such a long primary season'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with electoral reform'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It won't happen. There are few ways to keep the structure of the republic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'riiiiight, let's see, the worst housing situation on record, the first time our credit rating has dropped, the economy in shambles....it's NEWT'S fault!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, vote for Obama again'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ive also owned two small business'.....trickle down helpe major international corporations and no one else'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'oh wait, it's still Bush's fault right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the tea party did the credit rating'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the tea party??? lol!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you remove the electorial college, for instance, the US will cease to be a republic in fact, no matter what it calls itself. That might have tremendous repercussions on how the states are bound to the union.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, weren't you paying attention?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'each region is full of different types of voters, and even things as petty as a good old-fashion mudfight is going to fatigue the hell out of people enough to turn them off of candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the tea party's fault!!!  they have so much power!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i  think it started with reagan...we demolished the middle class, taxes are lower than any time in the last 25 years and we are losing jobs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the tea party members of congress who refused to go along with any deals'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'never mind that obama had the house, senate and himself for two full years'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's actually not true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it started prior to WW2'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have to abolish the electoral college. Doing so will not change the party dynamics much anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what's not true?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we hit the depression, freaked out, and started throwing money around just for the sake of throwing money around.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats a laugh....half the democrats are republicans aligned to the same corporate overlords '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the republican party has a united caucus, but the democrats never have that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow, people are soooo willing to give obama a pass, they make up any excuse in the book for him, what a lucky guy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its called hate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they gave Bush (both of them) a pass, so why not Obama?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol a pass? bush burned down the house with his made up wars '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'who gave bush a pass?  are you freaking kidding?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, but on the credit rating crisis, it was the tea party republicans who refused to go along with boehner and caused the drop... at least that's what i heard on all the news channels at the time'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's basically the same response for any major crisis, and boils down to one entity saying to the other "what are you going to do to fix this?!"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'at least that's what i heard from the media!!!  '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and then they dole out money to their buddies and go on laughing'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact that he was in office at all was a pass. The corrupt SC created  law to have him elected. That's a pass.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'it's the tea party's fault....unreal'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i completely agree with that anar'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the tea party is a joke'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'no it isn't, it's uber powerful, ask sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where do you get your news nocturnus, sitting in committee?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tea party did not cause the credit drop, but because they were able to derail the usual "throw more money at it" process we fell past the point of no return.  Regardless of what the tea party was doing, our credit rating was going to drop on Obama's watch.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ron paul is the best politician the republicans have he fooled a lot of young liberals into thinking a rich white man from texas cares about them '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'nice, class warfare and race warfare, the handbook of the extreme left'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the credit rating measure the probability of default, or is supposed to, at any rate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you should be proud'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ron paul's net worth is lower than my parents''
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'default is impossible until tax rates are 100%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only real risk of default comes from the government deciding, for whatever reason, not to pay up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and we had tea party members of congress arguing we SHOULD DEFAULT.... how is that not a crazy argument? '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then your parents are in the 1%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'actually they aren't'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'maybe because they were sick of throwing money at a black hole?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't think you understand what the 1% means'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then your facts are screwed ...i just read his book and he admitted to being in that status with his net worth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he used as a means to say that i am that rich but i want to do whats right for everyone (which isnt true)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hence, the only good reason to downgrade the credit rating of a country that issues debt in its own currency is if its government is crazy enough to default just because they felt like it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to be in the 1% you need to make over 450k/year'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no you do not .....its based on wealth not income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh :) the inverse idea of the 99 percentile :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Agreed Sonshi, we were downgraded because we had crazy people in congress saying the government shouldn't pay its bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'is accumulated assets not income if you make 450k and spend 450k you are not in the 1%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and they stopped responsible members of government from doing their jobs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow are you gullible'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that probably helped Occupy Wall Street get started right there, if it wasn't going to already... it's doubling down on the mess, it's the move of a crazy gambler who doesn't understand their responsibility, they should all be thrown out of office'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the way they were going to "pay the bills" was to raise the debt ceiling so they didn't have to pay the bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'The best way to tell whether or not a politician is lying is to check and see whether or not his lips are moving.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the debt ceiling has been raised multiple times over the last 10 years ..... its normal for them to do it...whether its good is antoher story'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'Every one of them should be removed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, debt in advanced countries is usually "paid" by rolling them over'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone in position to do something about it knew at least a year and a half or more in advance that the downgrade was inevitable regardless of what was or could have been done.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are a debt country and paying the price now....very similar to what happened to japan'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that alone won't cause a deterioration in credit rating. See Japan.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what backs the US currency. The debt.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it was not inevitable... they were negotiating every day for weeks before it happened... there were feasible agreements made, and those idiots threw themselves in front of the train'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'years, Sotura.  Why do you think things got so crazy around budget time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't think any of them understood what a debt ceiling was'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lowering the credit rating is ridiculous there is zero chance the US defaults'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm talking here about the idiot tea partiers'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the very presence of a debt ceiling impairs the credit rating slightly.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we would have a lot less debt if we didnt spend crazy on military'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe if it was hard to change the debt ceiling....but thats like having a budget but having a trust fund on the side worth billions....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'hanslanda, it's not like it hadn't happened before, i know that... but it was completely irresponsible for them to say no, we shouldn't raise it, let's make the economy worse so we can blame it on obama, and that's exactly what they did'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or welfare or education or pretty much anything that started out as a Great Depression program.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no chance you are bankrupt bc of that artificial numer'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny the republicans didnt have any probs raising the debt ceiling for bush to hand over money to Halliburton '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the problem we have is the public.  We're saying two very conflicting things: "get our debt in control or else" and "touch my handouts at your own peril".'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not. I want taxes to go up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/only-one-democratic-country-besides-america-has-a-debt-ceiling/'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'who is we in that, hanslanda?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you may have touched on the problem with democracy in general , idiots vote , on mass'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what "handouts" we are talking about .....tax breaks are handouts that amount to way more than unemployment insurance that you pay into'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'en masse'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the we is the people in congress we expect to fix things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is the problem '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and now we confuse people more with fake news and increased work load and keeping up with the JOneses'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be better if capital gains were taxed as regular income, with an exception for the primary owner occupied residence.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not "might"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they fix the problem, we lose a lot of things we take for granted and are at risk of unintended consequences.  If they don't fix the problem, we force them out of office and put new faces in who think they can fix the problem.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree about capital gains but primary residence is not taxed.....you have a large exemption if you have lived in that home for 2 years '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that should push up revenues quite a bit, from all the romneys who have to pay more than double...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does any tax reform run the risk of driving those taxed more heavily out of the country , we ave that problem here with taxation on mining- reducing our comparative advantage'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'define "run out of the country" for personal income?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no because if you want us citizenship you are taxed on your worldwide income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they want to live in somalia and start their business there...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jobs go overseas, or are simply lost due to liquidation'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no factory, no taxes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'jobs don't go overseas because of personal income taxes'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they dont crack down on that though because the only people who are super rich or international corps go out of the country'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you can lower corporate taxes and increase capital gains and personal income tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool, perhaps not the best parallel'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they go overseas simply to avoid paying taxes or wages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we have some of the lowest corporate tax rates around'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ehhh...not meaningfully'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and you can not avoid us tax if you are a us citizen or corp....you get a credit for any tax paid outside the country but still owe the same % here'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Google and the like still funnel all their money through countries like Ireland'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, as I pointed out before, the savings due to the tax rate is not transferred in any part to the consumer, it is simply pocketed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'double taxation, heh'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is correct the savings are invested to create more wealth or pocketed rarely spread out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its not double tax you get a credit'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so they DON'T owe the same percentage here?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes their tax liabilty is calculated on there total worldwide income income and then any dollars paid in taxes outside the country offsets that...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how many people would seriously want to move to another country and renounce their citizenship just to avoid personal income taxes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though you'd have to wait 18 months to see any benefit...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'corporations are really what destroyed us....a seperate entity that takes my liability and givs me tons of write offs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nobody moves .....you hire good cpa's and hide your money with tax shelters just like wall street ....the IRS is not sophisticated enough to catch up'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it should be possible to eliminate most of the largest loopholes. It's not as if they're dumber than the tax agencies in other countries'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'goss and never take mine , I'm new =P'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mis chan'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact that the loopholes exist is telling in itself.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the key is that the langauge is vague and you would spend years arguing it out in court in the meantime i settle it at a huge gain to me and in the meantime ive moved on to 10 new tax shelters you dont know about'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there pressure Not to close tax loopholes ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'agreed...its made for the man by the man'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's something that lawmakers are complicit in...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes that is the biggest pressure in the country'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this whole talk of tax reform is, of course, contingent on the legislators actually wanting to raise revenues and close the loopholes...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tax breaks are corporations bread and butter....romney pays a lower tax rate then anyone of us'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would probably require electoral reforms like instant runoff...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi said it right and since lobbyists make sure that will never happen they will not make it happen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a way to make some form of independant tax commission to audit the laws ? are there any independant gov branches there ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, they were all appointed by some politician at some point anyway...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no....its all based on checks and balances between the three branches of gov but they of course are al one and the same'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is not clear that the US tax laws are constitutional, so an independent commission might also be unconstitutional...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol....that is not true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats been well settled in law'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and the constitution'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a pity they can't legislate to make tax shelters a breach of national security given that it impacts on military funding .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'was that wesley snipes argument?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the constitution of the US expressly forbids tithes, which is what a personal income tax is.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they can but they wont'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet the later day saints tithe and survive on it ? how do they get round the constitution ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where do they forbid tithes?  they allow taxes:'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the 16th amm specifically allows us to tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sotura just wrote it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well that's not even the amendment, that's article 1, section 8, powers of congress'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '16th amm has similar but less strong lang'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'here it is: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's the 16th amend.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there you go....thanks for pulling it up'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well i wanted to search tithe... didn't see it mentioned'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool , it did seem a lil silly it was unconstitutional to tax '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wouldn't be surprised they were arguing about it... weren't taxes one of the big arguing points setting things off... the boston teaparty and whatnot'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not unconstitutional to tax but the income tax is only "constitutional" because the government double-talk.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, the rallying cry was 'no taxation without representation' right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what was taxed was a huge problem but that was based on english non rep'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'which it should be here again lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and arguably, now, we've got representation... i think it's a pretty good argument that representation is failing us though, so that could be what leads to the next revolution, if enough people feel that way strongly enough'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the US is a declining empire'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US constitution, following the precept that the US was a republic, expected taxation to issue forth from property owners.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its the same they "had" representation but you gained access by wealth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then those with all the assets should pay all the taxes is what that sounds like to me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if I work for a living, there is no conceptual difference between working for wages and barter. Barter is not taxable so why should wages be?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is a very large difference.. loans and tax basis prevent you from being taxed via barter'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get what you are trying to say but its not the same...if we bartered we would pay the gov in furs or whatever lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the irs says you've got to report income gained through barter'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes but you have a tax basis in the item so assuming your item declined in value and you traded for equal value you would have no "income" ( i.e. you would not profit from bartering)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that working for wages as opposed to demanding rice, beans, and wheat, is not the same?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you don't profit from working for wages either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I am saying that items you barter with have a tax basis because they were acquired and thus you need to make profit to pay tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in the same way if you're working as an independent contractor you can write off business expenses, is it any different?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would have to show that you are being paid more than what your work is worth, but as in barter, that's impossible to assess.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you business expense is your tax basis...what you put in to get the item....what you spend on your business is not profit nad thus not taxes'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if it were the case that it can be shown that your work is worth less than what you are paid, the only the difference should be taxable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so it's not market value of what you're bartering, it's cost to produce?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its cost to produce vs cost sold for....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both are artificial, Ucla.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or cost to acquire'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree all these concepts are artifical'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and yet, important to understand if we don't want to end up in the hoosegow'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats why its complicated "income" has strict definitions and they carved out income from capital gains to have a lower tax rate....guess who bnefits the most from that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the earlier days, serf only worked for barter, so they were demanded by the fief to pay a tithe. Much the same as they are now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tithe = direct tax :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'serfs were generaly indentured ...that was a form of slavery (which I would argue still exists in some of the lowest wage jobs)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what is different now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'income taxes are not headcount taxes or even flat taxes. Not in civilised countries anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't know if i was reading the topic wrong... http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html -- it seems to imply that both sides of a bartered exchange will be taxed, and can only reduce (maybe) the burden by their costs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I am not indentured I am not beholden to a debt and required to work and live a certain way'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's arguable, Sonshi. They are bracketed taxes, much the same thing. if you fall in a bracket (if you are part of the head count)  you pay x.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the costs are the tax basis'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, not Sonshi :) Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'everything is taxed but if the net income result of a barter is zero profit no income was gained and zero tax is due'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a train of thought that suggests social welfare was introduced to stop barter and bring everyone into the "white" economy, not sure the gov likes barter that much '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Ucla. So where is the profit if I barter my labor for x dollars?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'wow, that's interesting tzadkiel, who's saying that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we need welfare ......its pretty well accpted in economics that supply and demand in a job market is never perfectly efficient and thus there must be some unemployment'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was part of my yr 11 social studies '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol aka a lefty teacher throing ideas out there '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'your education, gas to get to work, the materials that you take to the job minus the amount you are given in goods above that amount'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats pretty well accepted in most everything i have read including stuff from U of chicago economics (repub think tank)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you bartered to zero your incentive would be not to work'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, an artificial justification. The dollar holder gets to indicate its "costs" not the labor producer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'huh?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the laborer can argue successfully that he works at a lost when he's paid in wages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, of course, he will be ignored.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, it's an upside down system'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in more ways than one'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I disagree in general but for some people i would say thats very true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'selling labor, how do you account the costs?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and thus no incentive to work .....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'for most workers, they don't get to deduct any cost of labor, no?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a person has to ride public transportation for 5 hours a day to get to his job, how much does his wages cover that loss?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'to not have to calculate it directly we are given a tax rate and a standard dedcution'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but on the other hand, deducting it can be a real pain in the blank'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'everyone gets a standard deduction'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's not doing anything that will return anything from the payer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think you can claim those sorts of things here , public transport etc '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what you mean...the lowest job workers that might be very true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the employer does not travel to the employee and yet he gets credit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the employee does not get paid while he's getting to the job and he's not allowed to declare a loss of income while he's traveling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i would say that by your argument corporations and business owners create welfare by paying so low a wage their is no incentive to work...if thats the case they should pay for that social cost and not spread it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is always incentive to work :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its factored into your standardized deduction'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter what the wages are. history proves that :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no there is not....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is an incentive to survive'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thus crime '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if that were the case, lack of incentive, then many companies with horrendous pay records would have gone under. Companies such as Walmart :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the worst war we ever created was the war on drugs ....most costly with worst results'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the truth is that any income is better than no income at all, so the employee will put up with almost anything.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no because we create welfare which says you have to work to get it ...thus we enslave the lowest rung'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no war on drugs, only the appearance that there is one. '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you make the same from welfare and from walmart then people would not work...so its really a tiny bit better '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats my point...we spend all the money but no results its fake'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb we have some form of work for welfare here , the argument is that ppl not working are not "work ready" either '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so where do you consider you guys on the political scale? conservative, liberal?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if people refused to work for Walmart, it would fold. Most employees lack the courage to suffer for a cause for which they might not gain concretely.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we create a whole population of those people by making them felons they will never hae a legit shot to make a decent income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'socialist-liberal-free market'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we are ignoring a big factor in unemployment. Population pressure. Though I am not willing to dip into that at the moment :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I take it there is no min wage in US and not much of a labor movement ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would agree but im dont believe in free markets because ti dont think they exist'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course they don't :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'population should drive up the demand as well and balance out if we were efficient'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no minimum wage at the federal level, it's set state-by-state and if I recall Hawaii just upped theirs to $10/hour.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the labor movement is under attack... there are minimum wages'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think religious orgs should be tax free'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'as far as Im concerned $10 is min wage.....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, mismanagement of resources has a serious impact on that, Ucla. There is no profit in efficient management of resources, simply because then income would be simply part of the standard deviation :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if its under a true living wage its a min wage'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow ! I think ours is $17.40/hour , less for kids though'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where's that at?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think yours and our dollar is at parity '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there is a federal minimum wage in us, but lots of exceptions'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and lots of state levels also'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would disagree....efficient management would profit against innefficency...theres no incentive on results american corps profit at the top regardless of performance only the workers pay'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'federal us is $7.25'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the 2 loopholes to pay lower here are employ kids or apprentices , not so sure about the apprenticeship scheme though '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you sure? thought it was $8.75'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'either way unless your cost of living is alot lower than ours how do ppl survive on a min wage ?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or hire illegal immigrants...always makes me laugh the people that seem to complain the most about immigration are the same power players that hire them'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '17.4 australian dollars? What's the unemployment rate like in australia?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what state?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it's $8.75, all of Missouri is in violation since I doubt any exception would allow a state to ignore a federal mandate to pay even less.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they dont....they work two jobs, they live 2 families together its bad'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '4- 7 % unemployment '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, no wonder'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think 5% is the nat average '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'if you're below the poverty line you'll qualify for some assistance as well, possibly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think thats about right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'some states are lower than federal'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'australia is pretty well run, would've expected 3% without that minimum wage...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you have to make less than $20k for a family of four for the poverty level'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but 5%'s fine, I guess, with welfare'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, here's wikipedia on it, you can doublecheck elsewhere, right?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '20K is actually almost not enough for a family of 1 :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah 5% to 6% is about what i think economists think is good for the economy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of beggars in american cities...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i make a whole shit ton more than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have alot of ppl that are welfare dependant/ or just don't want to work making up that 5% imo - lol and I'd get shot for saying that in some circles here '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they can't do anything worth 17.4 aud an hour, it wouldn't be surprising if they're unemployed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if your option is to make the same amount working or not working then i would rather you not work ....your life is gonna be hard no matter what and at least you can give your kids a shotbeing around'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see why? There are always people willing to take advantage of the system, whether they are welfare recipients or corporate CEOs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me put it this way, the amount of money it costs the government for one person's fraud is less that what a corporation has to skim to pay for a CEO's golden parachute.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my ex was one of the top non profit attys in CA and her specialty was welfare....she is involved in policy creation...alsmot all of the fraud was found has been workers creating faks ssns or using dead peole not recipients'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in some communities here unemployment runs into its 3-4th generation - without any form of education they are largely unemployable '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that 100% '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so eliminating both ends of the equation would be good for the economy. But, obviously, we recent the welfare fraud, but not the corporate one.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its the same here but people call them lazy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'exactly ...i agree anar...to me its no different but the corporate form is so much more costly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the ones making billions off corporate fraud would rather we concentrate on drop-in-the-bucket welfare fraud.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you do your homework you will see that most of our truly wealthy in this country have become so rich with government interfence....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yep its all bate and switch....i feel its the same with religion'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's a bit diff here , one example a place called Kintore 500km NW of Alice Springs , Population 700-900 and I'll guess that about 5 of the locals actually work , for the rest they exist on welfare and have done so since we colonised the place.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe the mistake was in the colonization :) Some people resent being colonized :>'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'people act like living on welfare is some glamorized life.....its all misrepresented and sad'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'name one person who says living on welfare is glamorous'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well they have to live with the laws of the land now since they have lost the art of living off it .. just stuck in the assimilation process imo '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nobody chooses welfare who has options....the option here is to make the same amount at some shitty job'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newt gingrich'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'bull'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i got a buddy who brags about how much money the government gives him'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'and therein lies the problem'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol he just said we need to teach blacks to live on getting jobs rather than food stamps lol'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly, corporate welfare is the real fraud'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'canadian government though, so not sure how relevant that is to this conversation'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government gives me a few hundred dollars every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol those in the drug industry here are mostly on welfare , lower levels anyway i don't n=know anyone higher than that '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, they give all of us a few hundred dollars every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, Amazon's shipping cocaine in textbooks now.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha what they "give" us is our own money :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'just like the welfare paying off people not to barter argument?  we could argue the government's paying off people to look the other way on the really egregious stuff...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i wouldnt argue i think thats true'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nah, it's just an argument'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we can find all the crack dealers but not the importers?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it'd be interesting to study'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they tax the rich more, and hands everyone a more or less fixed sum back. The poorer you are, the larger a percentage of your income you're getting...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think its an argument....tax breaks are people lobbying people to look the other way'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the crappier your flat is, the more you get too...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  recommends "Total Synthisis II" as a humor us book to import drugs with
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the tax burden has always been with the poor - I remember a cartoon depicting exactly that , and the cartoon was from the french revolution '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'just read dickens .....industrial revolution all over again '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i'm not being clear... i mean to say something like, does receiving government assistance make the receiver more likely to be complacent about government corruption?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'noone like to bite the hand that feeds ?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'sort of'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so...i think it creates a helplessness '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, but that can lead to complacency too, no?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the whole "Hand out " not "hand up" argumant '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'directly or indirectly... is the government buying its way out of the next revolution?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think you are right '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think if you asked any person on welfare if they would rather have that or be well off they would be well off but if thats not an option they maybe they are complacent but i would call it helplessness'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'once homeostasis is achieved 90% of the pop just want to keep it , damn the consequences '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'made up figure'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think we are a declining empire just like all the other historical ones....everyone here thinks they need to make $100k look at real houswives of orange county and all that crap'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep it is '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '78% of all statistics is...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or 77% '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i mean complacent in the sense of not struggling, or struggling less'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '90 % = (imo a large percent)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I like the idea of making 100k, because it means I can do things like only work every other year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh yeah i would agree to that....i dont like the word complacent though it implies lazy and i think thats a misconception'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe every other year?!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Fiendish you don't want a nest egg too ? '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm not talking about lazy, although if you think the oppressed have a moral obligation to resist, i suppose you could make that argument as well'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to do what with?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im an atty in LA ...$100k is barely getting by if thats what you make'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'retire?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well I figure if I get cancer or something I'll get a better shot of surviving with more $'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I can retire fine even with working every other year at 100k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it all depends on how much you spend on stupid things'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that i agree with but most americans spend a lot on stupid stuff ...also where you live in the US'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Boston'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'interesting point... was marx wrong because he forgot about laziness?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '$100k in Boston?!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't quite understand the exclamation marks'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so...it seems everyone knows we need to have some unemployment but yet we villify those unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can get by fine on maybe 15k in philadelphia (or even 5k if I really had to)... but at some point I'd like to have a family.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'why do we "need to have some unemployment"?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't want to have children'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'kids will probably cost lots to raise'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have a hard time believing you can live very comfortable in boston on $100k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'then your reality is completely fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'praise the unemployed , for without them wages would rise and so would inflation =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I can get by comfortably by spending 20-25k per year, and that includes travel'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on whether you really must have that five bedroom in the middle of the city or not, I guess.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'supply and demand and inefficent economies.....we are supposed to be the best economy ever and have never had zero unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people are fine with a one bedroom on the outskirts.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and a LOT of restaurants'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, you can get a new four bedroom flat for under half a million...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dunno my wives best friend is in Boston and we go regulary rent alone seemed pretty high let alone buying a house'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'rent is not /that/ high'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '/h 10'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '$1350/mo split between me and my girlfriend isn't scandalous rent'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing I dislike about american housing is that so much of it is old and run-down...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah well your income is a lot higher if you factor her in '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nice, new places are pretty expensive...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why shouldn't I factor her in? if I weren't living with her I'd be paying exactly the same amount on rent by living with someone else'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and just as low-quality.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '100k is about $6k per month a mortgage is about with taxes and ins is $3k '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a mortgage in boston is stupid. economics professors at harvard rent.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im saying that your household income is higher.....your not living alone on $20k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'she doesn't pay for me'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my expenses are still my expenses. if we split food and rent, my part is still the same no matter what'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'a car and ins is $400 - 500.....utilities are $400 -500 and if you have kids ...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she doesnt pay for you but she splits the costs of the housing'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'utilities are like $25/mo'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home a lot of people borrow from their retirement accounts to buy houses rather than from banks...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're not getting it. if it weren't her I'd be in a smaller space paying the same amount'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'do you share a room with her?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'let me give you an example of what I mean'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what happens when your 70 and need someone to live and help you out....but cant afford to rent?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it's the same if you would've split it with someone else anyway, but half the space usually costs more than half. At least over here.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'before I moved in with her, I was sharing one floor of a house in cambridge with 2 of my friends. my share of the rent was $750/mo'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe a bit less'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think i get i get it....but im not in college anymore....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my dad is 70 and I don't have to help him out and I make more money than he does. What makes you think I'll need help when I'm 70?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the law of avgs.....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you forget that I'm saving on the cost of children'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's basically the cost of a house'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'We took care of my grandma in her older years.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand where your coming from...but one problem and your in trouble....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i took care of my mom amd now my grandparents'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'everyone has problems. people with far less than I have have far more problems and do fine'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you need three people to afford a place to live then i would say yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'need?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'She lived in my room while I slept on the couch for about 3 years'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'who said anything about need?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so you can afford $1350 a month rent in boston making $20k  a year?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I said spending 20k a year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and yes, actually'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quit hoarding and support the economy already!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but it would involve far more trips to haymarket than I make now'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's haymarket anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i give you props for being frugal....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's a local thing. if you're not from boston you wouldn't understand'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.yelp.com/biz/haymarket-boston'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'weekend ultra cheap produce market'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'basically overflow from grocery stores'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well I think I'm gonna work myself stupid when I finish uni and then once I have a good stash of $ settle back , grow my own food, drive something that runs on cooking oil and solar power , sounds like a plan =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i like that plan'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you're still in school then you might want to aim for something electric so that you don't stink like frenchfries all the time'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm too lazy to travel far. I usually just visit the stores between my apt and my dept.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are very frugal too'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol good call Fiend'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was more of a generalisation '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'with luck by the time you're ready to do that plan electric vehicle infrastructure will be decent'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not that young ! I start Uni this year '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'so youre 18'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still a kid then!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'or 17'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so 4 years of that. grad school maybe? then how many years of work?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's a while'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha im much older than that'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '19 - long story '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's this guy in my dept who was a minor when he started his phd'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'maybe 20 years work , idk '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder if I should go into finance...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol so I expect to be feeding chickens around 45-50 yeas old '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what would you do in finance?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quant, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again , figuratively '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'be like mitt romney. make money making money'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'seems to be the primary private sector thing for those in our dept who can't teach'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'would you be doing it just for the money?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I suck at teaching.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I may have sarted a cult by then =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i would be doing it because I suck at teaching, probably, if I did it.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smaller funds would probably be preferable...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the goldman sachs type might end up abetting all sort of bad stuff'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sorts'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can fund my cult then =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im down with the cult'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we'll base it on Norfolk Island so we don't have to pay taxes . be our own tax haven :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quants might not make all that much though, the one time I looked up a fund which was advertising, they were offering 120k plus unspecified signing and other bonuses'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, those might be large...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, it's many multiples of my curent stipend...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe your probably close to $200k with bonus and a couple yearly raises that plenty of money'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, academia is more fun...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then teach :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except when the students complain that you suck.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha then dont suck!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish it were that simple!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ever wanna rile up a teacher , "Those that can , do. Those that can't , teach it instead" =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i work for a huge music company you make less money than at a large firm but quality of life is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love the trade off'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, those that here it too much here are apt to quit and earn 3-10 times the pay elsewhere...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I know a prof back home who quit and went into banking because the cash they were dangling in front of him finally grew too large to resist. And presumably, his students got too annoying too.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I swear I wasn\t one of em !'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ack, my typo rate increases pretty quickly past midnight'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my fingers just find the wrong keys , they are not typos , just fingeros '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after over 6 years in the us, my typos are also becoming more american, somehow. At least, it feels more american to me.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'where are you from'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'where are you living in us'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'used to be ithaca, for four years'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh my wife was just in philly for the softball world series'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'singapore's nice, well, i saw it for one day ten years ago'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hah'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, home looks so much different after just 6-7 years...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always digging stuff up and knocking things down'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've put in more anti-global warming measures too.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, coping measures, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my wife is peruvian and i am mixed irish, german and mexican....peru and mexico have changed dramatically from our childhoods ....interesting to observe'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'preparing for eventual 2m rise in sea levels and all that.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, lots of development there, I wager'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'went to mexico once...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'went to see the chichen itza and all that'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah development and hardship'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'very cool'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the uncertain times ahead, it could be a struggle for countries still in the midst of development'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are going to machu pichu next year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'richer countries can throw money and raise walls around their coastlines...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah....as long as they avoid the imf and world bank or privatizing their economies to foreignors on there own they many should do fine'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's going to be amusing, in a black way, if asia completes its climate defences and the us asks for emergency help and they say... no!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scottish independence?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I hear the Indiana legislature is about to pass a law requiring Creationism to be taught in science classes.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'really?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'SB89 -- teach the controversy.  Because evolution is "just a theory."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'I hate when people misunderstand the word theory'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they really should invest in a bunch of those tshirts... those are wonderful'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'T-shirts saying "Let me jump off this cliff, since gravity is 'just a theory.'"'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'opposition is apparently mounting rapidly though, as it sorta slipped through until now.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'theory sounds too liberal for them... all these subversive sounding things like number theory, general theory of relativity...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Good.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'agreed'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, no, these tshirts: http://controversy.wearscience.com/'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Number Theory: Just a theory!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Its sponsor Dennis Kruse told the Indianapolis Star (January 22, 2012), "I believe in creationism ... Just because there are constitutional concerns doesn't mean you don't try to get something done you believe in."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'this country really took a turn for the worse when they stopped teaching the flat earth controversy'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it'll get thrown out in court anyway so really just a stupid exercise'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I just hope that the same people who want evolution to be presented as a controversal theory believe that capitalism should be presented the same way.  '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'capitalism isn't a theory, it's a philosophy/practice'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'be careful what you wish for... they might!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'presenting evolution as a controversial theory is only their tactic because they don't dare present it as complete falsehood, lies, and corrupting of the youth, which is what many do believe'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'True, but there are theories associated with capitalism that actually ARE controversal.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I would hate to be treated by a doctor who doesn't believe in evolution.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Doctor, I got a flu shot last year, should I get another one this year?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"No, one flu shot will protect you for the rest of your life."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, actually, many of the people who are say MDs will say that they believe in change over time, just not of the degree necessary to actually produce different species.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only if you die from something else before the next flu?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'teach the controversy!  moon BASE!'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'testing testing 1 2 3'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stomp: 'are you making a speech? *runs for cover*'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just making sure this chan was working '
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, leave it alone'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit you mentioned Nazi's and broke it !'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gofer it, dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe jumps in to make a kanye west move until he sadly realizes that there was in fact no speech about to be made....
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yay for ACTA!'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama don't need no congress to get his SOPA powers'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, didn't obama say he would veto sopa?'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sure did'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ACTA is why he was going to veto them'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by thwarting congress, or even better getting them to flee the bills like they did, he can completely bypass them by entering into an executive agreement (the treaty process requires a 2/3rds vote by congress, at this time one already spooked by tech resistance).'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's quite the brilliant strategist'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'local weather. does anyone want to compete? http://i.imgur.com/jAfFx.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'got an idea but think it might be dumb again.. but i like it - split xp 1. comes from time spent fighting mobs 2.goes to pracs gained - the stronger mobs, the more pracs. hm?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AP2BjpIYJLw'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, she can't pronounce diebold :P'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'Obama'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not a good way to start a debate. you're already losing.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'Not good at what he does.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'debate over'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'fact.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feith: 'obomber?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'There is really nothing to argue about.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'Monsanto?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Monsanto? Excedrin and bullets?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'and geneticaly altered plants :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't really understand why they're doing a 3D Phantom Menace'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, it sucked in 2D, it's still going to suck in 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i disagree, i loved episode 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher pukes.
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Episode 1 was a complete dumpster fre'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'fire, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It was terrible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it was like paying 10 dollars to be assaulted'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Woudln't aardwolf be great in 3D'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'damn trekkies...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol the text is coming right for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It has nothing to do with being a Trekkie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I happen to be a Trekkie, but I also loved Episodes 4 through 6.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that garbage didnt deserve the star wars label'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Lucas dropped the ball with Episode 1, and then he flat out forfeited the game with 2 and 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'SW and ST are enjoyable, but i need some real scifi like writtings of Robert A Heinlein (starship troopers, stranger in a strange land) or Phillip K Dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'jar jar binks is the worst character in cinematic history'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jar Jar singlehandedly ruined that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i couldn't agree with you more on that one stretcher lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol ya he really is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starship troopers was real scifi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'read the book abelinc :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yes it was and awesome satire too, the sequels were pretty bad IMO though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'im a giant bug who's gonna pop your head and drink your brains with my straw'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya dont watch any movies after the first'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'straship troopers 1 = awesome. Starship troopers 2 + 3, utter garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pfft, the movies all kinda missed the point of the book imo. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'needs to be more sci for it to be what I'd contrast something as "real scifi" for...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'what isnt scifi about interplanetary marines that kill giant intelligent bugs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: '.. "real scifi" is such a contradictory statement lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the mere existence of a space ship, with pretty much no other technology involved, wouldn't be "more scifi" than the things being contrasted...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'more of a global community in the book as well, and some badass mechsuit drops from orbit right off the bat that they never even tried to reproduce in the film'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and my term 'real scifi' was just subjective banter on what i think is quality literature and what is not lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'oh i understood it, im just stoned and thought it sounded silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, star trek/star wars weren't written as books. they were written as films. heinlein's were written as books :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'films/tv, that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'ever read Neuromancer? i can't remember who wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just finished the book by phillip k dick that became Blade Runner, called Do androids dream of electric sheep. and hell f'in ya trihex, William Gibson'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I seriously tried to twice and couldn't get into it for some reason. No real idea why.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'gahhh i never finished it! someone stole my book at school lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'download the audiobook or something, thats what i like to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, audiobooks are great for commute'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'can slap em on my phone, laptop, to a disk. so nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'wasn't that book turned into a movie or something? or a prequel to a movie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for some series that get really involved, I'll listen to audio while reading along'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Neuromancer? the trilogy was turned into the rpg Shadowrun a year after the third book came out, no credit given to Gibson.. and pretty much spawned the whole cyberpunk genra'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'just seemed like i heard that somewhere back then.. was years ago that i read it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the way tolkien created the elf and magic genre today, Gibson created cyberpunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice, suppose i may pay the $8 on the android market and just put it on my phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anybody read Ready Player One?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats not bad trihex. i signed up for Audible.com and got it for free :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'most audiobooks online are like 30 bucks or more though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'Wikipedia also points to a million cyberpunk websites, some that include whole short stories, it's excellent'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i can't believe we haven't been told to shut up on this chanel yet lol ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'haha because its good information to share. i gatta go to work take care everybody'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice chat Khaim. Work hard for the weekend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it a computer glitch or a navigational error which caused the italian boat to hit a rock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Tyrant Unforgiven: 'wasn't it the fact that it was an italian boat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was a glitch myself, no way to prove that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was probalby made in china or russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since Chinese or Russian vessels don't normally sink, I don't see how the origin is relevant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's computerized'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the chinese workforce works for the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still missing the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one look at north korea and you see what russia's like'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you're on their side, i'm not stupid like most of people'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, most of N.K. problems stem from the US embargo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the great hacker aleph1 was from a japanese suicide cult'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people don't know that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that the cruise ship sank due to software sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most probable source yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage would be different than glitch'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a sucker for human error'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted, Abe, but what then does Aleph1 has to do with it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'If this is so, then why was the captain the first person off the ship?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most problems are human error, however...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, human error, whether building or operating the machines :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he wanted to cover his ass he woudln't have been teh first off imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a reason IT people like the term Pebkac'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instinct, this current world isn't the world where the codes of conduct were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is contrary evidence that he was the first one off the ship, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's 350,000 honda automation problems that 350,000 people wouldn't make'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in a situation like that the company needs a scapegoat, if they can't pin down the cause, or even if they can. Insurance companies demand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn warfare through interpolation and extrapolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that the captain may not deserve to be found guilty. But since cannot testify to his behavior I will reserve judgement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if he was the first, ever seen what people do when they mess with the mafia and are on a string?  they wouldn't jump off the ship after crashing into a rock if they knew who their patrons were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's some interpolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im going on a carnival cruise in less than 2 weeks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being innocent captain wh's devices messed up on the other hand, human instinct tells him to run'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope you can either swim or can row, Dirkdiggler :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe it was sabotage by people who have access to the electronics on the ship and the satellite guidance systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'point is he's in jail and the case is solved as far as they're concerned, like the 1978-1982 case in britain's Iran bombers, but a little different, the wrong guy gets locked up possibly, while the real criminals keep on selling the justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oops, irish*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i love the way you wrap that up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, no, the point of the sabotage...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, history has a way of repeating itself, when the criminals keep on writing the rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: ''real criminals'...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, what was the goal/point of the sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they can be the CEO, the president, the supreme court, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wh's gonna catch them?  the people they pay to catch you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage is either highly directed at something, or is for publicity...publicity only works when you let people know it was you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we follow the money, I don't see why would anyone would have done it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people are beyond money, the rothschild's donations of several hundred million dollar estates for isntance, and they're denial of jews entrance to israel during the holocaust on wikipedia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless there was some secret cargo on the ship and this is the only way to extract it... But there is no proof that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the cargo could have been removed under the guise of looking for survivors et corpses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'too many questions.. i have just come to terms with the fact that we will likely never know just what really went down during say, the JFK assassination, or strange events on 9.11.2001'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There was no Israel during the Holocaust...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1939 i think it was israel was invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'israel 48'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a British territory where Israel is now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'part of a deal with saudi arabia and roosevelt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel came into existence in 1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'born the same year as the CIA :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did we say it was over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel became a state by British charter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think you mean the japanese bombed pearl harbor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no I don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, maybe not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the international community doesn't see transnistria, but they supply every enemy of the USA with weapons, led by ex-KGB, and hosting the most wanted european criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point of history is that it is written by the winners, so we can only take the winner's word as to whom bombed Pearl Harbor :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and putin is Ex-KGB also, stationed in dresden from 1985-1990'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the stasi burned several of 111 kilometres of files on abused german citizens in 1989'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes?qt=qt0479926'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, calling him ex-KGB might be stretching the truth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, kgb's alive and well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'calling him KGB would be closer :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tha's funny, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I certainly don't remember that from the movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's one of the most-played scenes, in all the highlight reels :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as big as thank you sir, may I have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I must not been focused :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have been*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen what this planet can look like once it's all dead - that kind of drives me onewards to fight against that death, the leadership needs to change and be more maleable'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a serial killer and not racist, i just believe that some people if they don't step down deserve every torture they're given'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i was talking about the book Daemon by Daniel Suarez in here earlier. i hope to god that somehow becomes a reality soon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the planet has been dead a few times and will die a few more times before the sun goes nova.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters and stuff recently are only a testament of things to come, and they're welcome additions to men making war on eachother, but there will come a time when nobody will be alive if this keeps up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what are people's chiefs doing about it?  they lead the people who live their lives'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'good point anaristos, catastrophe, death of 99.999% of everything, is the only reason we are here now :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Think about it, Druzil. All it needs to happen is that the sun gets a bellyache and we are history in a matter of minutes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters are one thing, human's causing them are another - some are called for some aren't, and these aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'astronomy never scared me'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the earth will recover and and eventually there will some brain-carrying animal polluting the air again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky is very intimidating in itself true, but here on this world we should stick to focusing on making this place better'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget that our atmosphere was manufactured by plant life. terraformed so to speak'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can thank the bacteria for that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we can fuck it up, but bacteria will win again, and again'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dirt-eating, oxyigen/co2-farting bacteria :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same way the 100trillion bacteria strong community we call a human body survives all the crap we put in'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'you think we'd ever terraform other planets? or have entire sustainable populations in space?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i have faith in the ferocity of life of out smart our stupid monkey serlves'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe there's more to a human or a lifeform than their body, because i can't explain some things they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i know whats that called Druzil! stupidity!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without a mind, neuroscience never would have existed for isntance, and they say it's only chemistry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well.. seems to me that stuff gets into quantum non-locality, consciousness. it must pervade all the cosmos. there must be life EVERYWHERE. for me to believe its really here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There are terraformed planets already, Kirua. The problem with them is that their biota won't exactly match ours. A small difference is all that separates extinction from survival.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a limit to stupidity, once you know a single thing then it doesn't exist there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always keeping an open mind is important though, absoluting your knowledge turns you into a heretic, which is what most people hate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i weigh my mind based on probability of correction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing leads to another and it goes pretty far'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a zen master can deduce the entire universe from a single fact :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.': many say thats likely how WE are here lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or so it's claimed :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That's the point, Khaim. We are here and this is the only friendly environment that we have. We are exactly tailored to our conditions. Everywhere else we go we will have to modify the environment to survive, if possible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'means 'we' wont be there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter how congruous any other environment is, it will only be an approximation, and the difference could very well be fatal. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there 's a cartoon called terranova i watched some of on superchannel, has the humans invading a species who doesn't breathe oxygen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Or at least, we haven't found a suitable one yet ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the editorial we :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a interesting concept, what's the worst part about it is that humans hated their own world though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shangrila and things like that, nice ideas and possibly existed at some time, eden is a place in yemen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unpractical is because we work in the opposite direction and place high value on destruction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ecosystems are exact, approximations can only be survivable if we can mutate fast enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the end is death, not only of us, but of the ability to live in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'DMT...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shows us consciousness is crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute sanity is scarier than all hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats why i run from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, a change in the gravitational gradient will either destroy our skeleton or destroy our musculature depending which way the swing is. Unless we have offspring that can adapt. For us, the game is over of course :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's gotta be some awareness though, that's where the place of chief's and kings were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i heard terence mckenna once talk about the term 'Logos' and how back in the day, to hear a voice in your head when reading was a skill of divine attainment'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I take offense at any attempt to govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a philosopher from austria in the 30's who developed a system of black sun/white sun politics, one was authoritarian where the leader makes all the rules that the little people follow, the other was a leader who taught the people and wanted their input - alot like the real idea of democracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that as equal human beings (sans monetary wealth) we do have the right to understand what we need to, and our governance should be maleable to our concerns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you search ancient history you find liars/traitors and bad kings dispelled of quite gradually'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their root shouldn't be allowed to take hold as the overseer of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I miss the point of government. People begs us to put them in office, and when we do, they expect us to thank them for doing us the favor of having been elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the fact that the US government has secret hideouts to go to in case of a catastrophe pisses me off no end. That is an odd behavior for servabts, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'servants*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, my biggest beef with government is they give their people a bad name for no reason, while their people had no say in attaining their rep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'At this point I would like to note that earth gravity does vary over its surface...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's neccessary they should be able to tell them that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It wouldn't be so bad if the gene pool that they comprised would be one that humanity would be proud of. But I am sure that if only government people survive the catastrophe, humanity is doomed anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'earth's gravity varies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'within acceptable limits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in relation to your distance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'about .5% from place to place...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so if you were on your moon BASE?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, if you want to feel the variation in gravity just stand up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'seriously though, up in the mountains is less?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only real gene pool is one where the parents get along with eachother fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and its mass, which constantly grows, not by much but its calculable :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the higher you go, the less, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'machinistic hate isn't any reason to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'planets with gravity within a few percent of ours are probably reasonably common.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'probably, but that is one of many factors, and only if the gradient is within range, not the average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then there is the magnetic field, the electric field, their interaction, the flux of the field, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'life, by its very nature, is remarkably adaptable...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the existence and shape of the Van Allen belt...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. But only through mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how we are here today'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know about that... Bring an eskimo to the equator and he won't melt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the original hominids would instantly croak in this environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because it is within the accepted range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have th eskimo breathe Pre-Cambrian air and he will overdose and die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that range can be large enough that we can push some planets within that range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. For our children's children. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ones that wil live there well will be born there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if children can't be born or born and live to mate, the planet is a killer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ones who will live there well will be the ones who finish terraforming it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they survive they might not need to finish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would presume we would send them with appropriate equipment rather than dump them there and hope they survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, planet colonization will be similar to what happened naturally on Earth, but with certain significant shortcuts. We well not need fish to learn how to walk on land, for isntance. We can skip that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'from that POV, we are merely the infant, in Gaia's womb :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Actually dumping them there would benefit them more in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Find planet with suitable gravity, introduce suitable atmosphere... introduce suitable spin, adjust incident light... '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjust amount of radiation shielding, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'suitable spin, you are speaking of the formation (so we think) of the moon right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we can do that we can also build more congenial habitats. It would take less energy to build something to live on than to terraform.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all can be done with sufficient resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we're thinking in the long term, we can throw rocks at it to adjust the spin...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's another point, we need a moon just where our current moon is. That has significant influence earth's biota.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the really long term, it isn't beyond any physical law to make your own planet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it isn't. Just build some structure at one of the L points and presto :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... artificial moons are expensive...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am betting that they would be less expensive than terraforming :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if what anaristos envisioned is a reality in older species from older regions of the universe.. its possible.  we also see that due to the magnituede of the sheer number of forming solar systems...we might just be an ant hill in a rich jungle'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and faster to build'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you already had one, if it's on the small side you can throw rocks at it until you get the right size'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, habitats are certainly going to be cheaper...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can spin them to simulate gravity...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the thing is, you have to realize how fragile our environment is. How close to extinction we are at any given moment. That won't ever change, no matter where we are. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simple economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that largely depends on our tech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we have access to lots of energy, lots of problems can be made to... disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what are you going to do with the native biota?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'museum'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most planets won't have local life...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but we havent severed the umbilical'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, forget the large size animals. Worry about the bacteria and virus :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we dont understand how vital everything is'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'every thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if there was a planet we wanted to terraform, but had nasty organisms living on it, we could just sample those, then sterilise the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sonshi, if the planet can support native life why would it support our type. If the place is so congruous then it would stand to reason that it would have biota. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope no one visiting us gets that idea...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it can't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if they did would we even be able to know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we'd know from the rock dropping on us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i guess so'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would drop a thermonuclear device on the sun, it would be quicker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'irritating the sun into a giant flare is the way to go'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'almost no one would notice a thermonuclear device going off in the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sort of like squiting a water pistol at the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we wouldn't notice but that  doesn't mean that it wouldn't affect the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'squirting'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless they just got us working, we extrac a lotta gold, and manufacture uranium et al. at a staggering pace'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just like when Jupiter got hit by the metorites, they put minor holes inte atmosphere the size of the earth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a civilisation that could travel easily across the interstellar void would likely find us inefficient for any of their uses...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the first thing another species would do if they found us would be to exterminate us.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption either'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... those meteorites had for larger energy values than any thermonuclear device we could build though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'far easier for anyone to just drop rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'k s'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I doubt any race with a powerful destructive urge would ever make it to spacetravel'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably not'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a safe assumption. They have to view us a detrimental to their survival. They would realize, being space farers themselves, the resources we have available to us. Resources that would enough to destroy them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this "we come in peace, take us to your leader" crap won't wash too well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a completely unsafe assumption.  We have absolutely nothing to base another intelligent species properities on, let alone one that can travel through space'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but such urges are not necessary to contemplate sterilisation before terraforming, any more than your doctor would hesitate before wiping your skin with alcohol before jabbing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Again, you're making a lot of really big jumps'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're putting modern humans in spaceships and saying, "What would they do?"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would attempt to destroy us for the same reason we destroy rats, roaches, and other vermin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what we might do, for sure. And that's what someone else might do too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You can't use human motivation as the basis for this model'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always a chance they'd pop by and say hi, but we aren't going to count on that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not, but to assume that just because they exist they will consider us harmless is suicidal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Although you do reveal a lot about your own personality and outlook'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'd put $20 on you being american'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remember that running into them is penetrating their sphere of influence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would lose :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well no one gambles and wins every time'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the very least, if large rocks were to start getting hurled in our direction, hopefully we can figure out who's doing it and how to beg them for our lives or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the first thing that they would see is some invader.]'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and how to get them to realise there's already someone there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what will they do when they deduce that the "friendly" ship is armed to the teeth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they didn't notice us in the first place, they probably won't recognise anything we can throw at them as weapons'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that the "friendly" colony on the planet has been tracking them with warheads?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't have gotten as far as they did if they weren't aggressive, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just want to say that i am american, and i love rats. they are awesome pets, and i see in my self and others the capacity for generous compassion and empathy. I have to think that if a race was intelligent enough, and in haromony with themselves in ways we cant comprehend right now, in order to make it this far. then Gene Roddenburry was completely right and his visions were factual LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you got run over by a truck that didn't see you, the gun you were waving around hardly matters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Khaim.  They won't kill us, they will make us their pets :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i can only hope'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they even notice us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you actually think that if we run into some intelligence out there we will end up in some version of sharing tea and cookies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not even sure they'd notice us in the first place, let alone communicate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think that making assumptions one way or the other is insanity'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'first of all, humans are not that way. Humans will try to milk them for whatever they can get. That has been proven by history over and over. Secondly, as I said before, they will be aggressive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If they notice us at all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your second point is circular logic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"They'll be aggressive because they'll be aggressive!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, they are assumptions, but not insane. All I am saying that I would be armed to the teeth and prepared to blast anything that look suspicious. Better say I am sorry to the dead, than being too dead to say I am sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and again, you cannot extrapolate out form human behaviour to what an extraterrastrial will be'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'All your argument breaks down to is, "If humans were in space..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a reasonably good chance they'd just go "Hrm... okay, sterilise planets 2 through 4, drop probes 1 to 3, head for next system."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as though a species from another planet would have anything inherently in common with us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's IMPOSSIBLE to dedude anything about another intelligent species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'deduce*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you do it your way and I'll do it mine. If you think your chances of survival are better by pretending that the other side is harmless ( just as bad an assumption as thinking that they will destroy you) be my guess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'guest*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'jesus christ'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they made it into space, you'd guess at least that their whole cultural setup is capable of that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Immediate intellectual denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they didn't kill themselves off, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'They could be hyperintelligent insects, that have never experienced an interspecies conflict, and remain hyperaggressive to anything outside of their own species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or they could be similar to our mammals, and have evolved compassion etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but making either assumption is insane, outside of trying to write a good science fiction story'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'let's be honest though, if they're hostile there isn't shit all we can do about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and more than that, space is not a friendly environment. So it takes a lot of aggression (sublimed, of course) to take on the dangers of space travel. Further, even if it is just for exploration, they will have a protective mantle which may very well shoot first and ask questions later. There is no safe place in space, a mistake in judgment will kill you. If you destroy a few friendlies, that would suck, but it would suck more if you mistakenly assumed they were friendly and they destroyed you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless the tech that comes from space-faring peaples precludes all you have assumed there :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order to have sufficient inventiveness, I don't see how conflict can be avoided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... technology and civilization are not synonyms. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Sonshi: Again, you're operating within human culture and patterns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'they sure as hell are anaristos! lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'because most of human techology has been pushed by the competitiveness of capitalism, you're assuming that's the only way to do it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but the entire earth biota operates the same way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couldnt feed a population without our first technology, agriculture'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you tell me what animal will not run first or attack when they find something strange in their environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't mean that the first  farmers were civilized :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fight or flight, pretty basic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Anaristos: Humanity has already reached the point where there's no need to be aggressive or dominating.  In fact it's a reasonable assumption that if humanity doesn't quelsh its aggressive nature, we'll destroy ourselves long before space travel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it didn't take us much technology to dominate all life on earth, and no longer need to fight for survival at all times'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, really. So all the wars of the last few hundred years are just what? Little bumps on our road to uber civilization? How many more years of that? 8, 17? I am willing to be that we are just getting started in the road of self-destruction. Humans are obsessed with finding the most expeditious ways to kill the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and heaven help the aliens we meet if they happen to have something we want.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Right.  I agree.  Our seemingly inevitable self-destruction is a pretty good example of why a hyper-aggressive race like humanity isn't what we should be basing extra terrestrials off of.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said there's no need, not that we aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you think much the same as I on these matters, the psychology anyway Averan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a TP sold for 4m earlier, the market's going UP!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'evolution is another constant from which we can deduce a number of things...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I agree, up until the point where self-concious entities appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all I am saying that meeting others out there may be what destroys humanity. I can't see spacefaring lambs. The ones we meet will be aggressors. Whether they are as aggressive as we are or not, that's another question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'once you have Humans (or the equivalent) the general rules of evolution fall apart'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not to mention that our traits of compassion, kindness etc, are evolutionary advantages'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can't just say "Evolution" and justify aggression'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'survival requires that the living destroy each other so that only the strongest mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a species to have space travel, it needed to reach that point somehow. There's no pathway to acquiring sufficient intelligence that makes any sense, other than that it was needed to gain a reproductive advantage over others of the same species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'survival requires that people have access to the most resources not necessarily destroy it could also be to keep people poor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If we're going to use humanity as an example, the thing it needs to survive out long enough to gain technology like space travel isn't more aggression, it is less.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see that. You can be overwhelmingly technologically advanced and still be a savage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that too. it's a balance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technology is not a civilization. Technology can lead to civilization, but you can have civilization without techonogy, also. So it isn't even a requirement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have no idea what that has to do with anything anyone is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that just because one is technologically advanced enough for space faring doesn't mean that we (or they) won't shoot them (or us) on sight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's impossible to say one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we don't even have enough information to form a reasonable guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, that's true. You can bet that they won't. I will bet that they will. I  will put flowers on your grave.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your passive-aggressive "agreement" is very cute <3'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point of that is, that it is more prudent to assume that they will, though it might be more "civilized" to assume that they won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not you bet that they will doesn't preclude you from being in the grave ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd both be dead if anything like that happened...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Also if they're aggressive and are able to cross the gulf between stars'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's nothing we can do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'long live ender'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they were nice aliens, we'd still have to make them realise we're here, before they'd consider not (accidentally) killing us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the only one clever enough to defeat the buggers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if they're not aggressive, and we're diplomatic about it, we can negotiate our way to a reasonable survival in interstellar politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'So unless you know how to combat a race several thousand millenia of technology ahead of us, I advocate for diplomacy first'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best thing to do if something showed up and started to blast us with rocks or something is to try to make them realise that we're here and would you please please not off us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Granted it is hard to work up a  psychological profile of an undetermined alien race, but I can't see then getting out into space without a high sense of survival and I can't see a high sense of survival without the prerequisite ruthlessness.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan is agreeing with that Sonshi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You're trapped in your human perspective.  We're aggressive and squabbling, therefore everyone else must be!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe detonating a few nukes in a certain pattern...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ruthlessness isn't anywhere near a prereq'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It reminds me of the guy in the evolution thread going, "I can't imagine how the eye developed randomly..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure I am trapped in that perspective and I am a pacifist. That do you think it's going to happen when the perspective is that of some general?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more science is created through creativity than ruthlessness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's used for ruthlessless after creation, not through creation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but most scientific inquires are first directed into way to destroy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of the really big things were created under the pressures of war, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence the existence of the nobel prize...let's make the world a safer place by helping keep miners & transporters safe...here we go, he made a bomb'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe back in the days of Atlantis. But most modern conveniences are collaterally obtain from war research these days. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you are able to think of the opposite of him then isnt also a human perspective since you are human? both are just opinions and speculation and both are valid as such'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, they were refined in war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's half and half'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a couple of remarkable technologies (rockets, nuclear power) were derived from war research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the west didn't waltz up to china and start blowing bits of it off, it might still be coasting along...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a lot of other shit (medical advancements, computers) were largely derived from peaceful private research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Nobel prize is not adhering to the original intent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the west "opening up" china wasn't any technology being developed by war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a remarkable amount of medical research was developed to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well trained troops, after all, are pretty costly'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to save people from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'come, Abe. The west opened up the Far East with guns  pointing at their cities. Open up or else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very little was to save troops specifically from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Vaccines, cancer treatments, etcetc are all peacetime inventions'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... and there're more people dying in war... and under worse conditions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Marco Polo, he stole and ran.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the claim that we couldn't develop quality technology without war is just plain old fallacious'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'superglue is probably the most notable thing created to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say we couldn't. I said we don't/'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually you did, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only in the modern era that we seem to have figured out how to innovate without blowing ourselves to bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'except for the giant mountain of evidence that we do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you gave it as a requirement'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, and have you look at the mountain of evidence pointing to the stuff we don't get because it is classified?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Have you ever taken a drug invented in the last thirty years?  All of that is non-military research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how do you know that, Averain? Who funded the research?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Large medical conglomorates that want to make a profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I suspect that our current setup only works because everyone fears that if we got too backward, our neighbours will do to us what people have been doing to each other for thousands of years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'funding the research is not the research being done for war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'working with federal/international governments'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'universities too, they spend a lot on R&D'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor "ruthlessness" as a required driving force'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the government funds the research, the research is done according to certain specifications and deviation means cancellation. So, and I know, because I've been funded by the government all my adult life. Everything the government sponsors as research has military use.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sounds like you have a bias'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is the reason for the funding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how about stuff like pasteurization?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you know jack, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the basic research that drives the large jumps in tech are by and large driven by government rather than the private sector...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is a bit before the time, Kirua.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more survival instinct than profit motive, at that level, I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a time when government didn't fund anything :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You know, many country's governments invest heavily in research of new meidcal treatments, because it greatly reduces the cost of their public medical systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol no there wasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they didn't fund pasteurization'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's all about national competitiveness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good point, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all of our nations wealthy have gotten that way through a paid for advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you don't think that the government sponsors something because it thinks that it has other uses than military, then you don't know jack :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'railroads, banking, warren buffet and on and on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one of the motivating factors driving a government's lust for competitiveness is the knowledge that their competitors may one day tear them apart otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope anaristos, there are plenty of government research avenues with zero military applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'as if you would have done differently if given the opportunity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't mean that if it doesn't find a military use it will discard something useful. All I am saying that the primary motivation is military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'any statement to the contrary is worthy of druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'government sponsors what they are told to sponser by the wealthy that contribute to them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the boundary between military and civil strength is blurred in the long term...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can go along with that , Ucla. I don't see that weakening my point :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the military does fund lots of "non-military" projects, for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but other arms of the government do as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im not trying to weaken anybodys point just jumping in '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research that supports the economy is also a part of defence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the internet was sponsored by ARPA and it was a military project, doesn't mean that the internet is not beneficial.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it wasn't the internet then. It was the ARPA network, a hardware network.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was definitely military, nobody's stating it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government's just a bit more blatant about it... if you saw that page...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "this was military" is nowhere near the same as "EVERYTHING BAR NONE is military"...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'economic defence, one of the five pillars (and in the long run, the most important one)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am saying that the government will sponsor something looking for military application, if something emerges that is beneficial and non-military they will not quash it, but that wasn't that they were aiming for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'instead of debating, you guys should be plotting a way to get Lamar Smith out of office :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'his new PCIP bill is "interesting".'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what you stated, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Let me present two or three examples (from a single nation with a history of over-the-top military investment) now look EVERYTHING IS MILITARY~'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, some of the people that are opposing him now elected him. That should teach them a lesson :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'is he crazy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they launch that campaign on a certain anniversary... Their not so subtle way of saying "defend our economy/society/etc or the japanese (or someone like them) may land here once again."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure that you want to believe that the fief lords look out for the serfs. That's very romantic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich serfs make for a solid defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aren't rich serfs an oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well fed, anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and occupied'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there we go :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with lots of toys (less than their overlords, but...)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'rich serfs make for less money in the feudal lords pocket and that doesnt last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess the american government may not realise that... to their detriment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wealth isnt a zero sum game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the serfs in the US don't have money :) They have debts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when you don't have to spend money keeping them from killing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'keeping the serfs from killing you can be expensive, as the DPRK illustrates.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the spore flag on its side in that total defense logo looks like a happy face'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to admit that the credit card is a hell of a way to indenture the people. Very ingenuous and painless for the most part. Except for the times people jump off 3rd story balconies. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be intentional!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'psychological defence and all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh hell yeah, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but when you own all money and it comes right back to you its not costly at all....waging war against serfs when you both pay for the war and get paid for the war is net zero result'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're doing you a favor, here, go buy stuff, you can pay us back "whenever"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but just in case, let me have the deed to your home :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you can't pay it back, it's your fault, so you feel guilty'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone should max out their cards and then default :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the serfs have their toys, and if they run out, they feel sorry instead of angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might cause ripples :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'credit cards are one of the biggest scams in the history of the world...we have usury laws that prevent higher than 10% interest and they lobbied out of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then when people start filing bankruptcy they changed the bankruptcy rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, what's worse that they tell you about how low interest rates are. And they are low, if you are a bank :) Nominal interest rates are at 14%+'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people sort of take mortgages from their retirement accounts..'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they borrow our money cheap and lend it back to us expensively'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i think you end up paying yourself interest. Not sure how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the FED is practically throwing cash at the banks at the discount window, but credit card rates won't buldge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'here you are only allowed to take $10,000 from a qualified retirement account tax free otherwise you have to take a loan '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bulge*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they budged ....the limits were taken off so they could charge over 30% now'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no empire stays on top forever ....we priced ourselves out of the game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard somewhere that with fractional reserve lending? we wouldonly need to take out 6-8% of all of the money the banks hold of ours to bring the banks down '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of people charging high interest on two week loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the FED would just print more money hand it to the FDIC and things would go as usual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'payday loans or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah paycheck loans......they fall into a loophole'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the percentage would depend on the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, tomorrow when you go buy your bread and 50USD a point, well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a pound*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but with a lender of last resort (the fed), even everybody were to withdraw their savings, the banks can still survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'payday loans are at 15%, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '15%?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think they are way over 15% '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I agree, Sonshi. That would be a revolution, alright. But no one who loves her wii or xbox will ever do that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'padday lenders are much less regulated here and the interest rates are a hell of alot more than 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that... per year or per month or...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I saw and add once that showed that if you borrowed 300 they would give you 235'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's like a reverse-repo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 255 rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'payday and title loans are terrible, reacing 600% if not paid immediately in some places where they are out of control'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland have imposed a 48%-APR maximum loan rate, including fees and brokerage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the APR is higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of cases where the annual interest exceeds the loan itself... if they didn't borrow that money, next time they wouldn't need to, in a sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol why even have a rule.....thats called loansharking'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought it was alot more'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with the rules you don't get your kneecaps broken, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they really needed the money, the government should have some sort of aid. One way or another, there should not be a good reason to take those loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'might as well since your now a slave at those rates'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe if all the poor people were to request interviews with their congressmen, they'd get a sense of what's going on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you are on welfare in aust you can borrow $500 every 6 months but they have to pay it back '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how likely it is that their situation would improve in 6 months...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given our enemployment rate not much .. those that don't have jobs are either not looking or unemployable '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, how often do american congressmen meet their voters for interviews, I wonder...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get invited to town halls about twice a year '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not too often...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'regular people have zero access here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if you need to see them to get something fixed, you might have to wait half a year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zero?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you can write a letter but unless you stalk them or donate you dont see them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'congress is a high level you would do better with city councils here to get stuff fixed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't they see their people regularly or something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so I guess the state version of congressmen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for aid and stuff?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its low level city ......'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone can make appointments with congressmen, but nobody does'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i met clinton it cost me nothing but knowing the right people but it cost everyone else $500 for a handshake'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so they hold regular sessions, help their voters get welfare, etc.?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'welfare is usually done at the county level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would say they normally try and eliminate welfare and benefits its more about business benefits and pork barreling atthe congressional level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd go to the county assistance office'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the harship cases can go to county officials to get them to pull the right levers, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hardship'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no levers it all preset either you qualify or you dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardship cases shouldn't need any officials or levers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we have general relief for the most destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I still see tons of beggars around here though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting on welfare is generally pretty easy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'staying on it is harder, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you have to be willing to commit perjury if you dont qualify'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're starting with the presumption of qualifying, for this exercise ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I stated getting on welfare, not commiting welfare fraud'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's welfare... why are there so many beggars, I wonder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of beggars are mental cases, tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, some do sound like that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some have different opinions of begging vs welfare, when it comes to pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is difficult to follow the "Get a job, you bum" advice when nobody is hiring bums...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in college there was a well known beggar that would change his clothes and had a car it was his job...that being said welfare isnt really much money and if you only get general relief its about $500 per month'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm from buffalo, NY...they have bums/beggars as well...I'd always posited that if I was homeless, I'd start walking south...if you're gonna be homeless, might as well be warm & homeless in miami :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yep find the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh. Hard to find a place to stay in the city with that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they still exist in buffalo, so mental illness is the easy explanation ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're not familiar, Buffalo, NY is known for its winters'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be dangerous to walk across long stretches of deserted roads though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fall in a ditch or something and no one will find you until it's too late'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not more dangerous than being in the city where they'll step around you in the gutter'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're invisible anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they might not perceive it that way...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always feels safer when there are more people around, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that can give you a sore neck from looking over your shoulder, though :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see :) I'll just be happy to make it to T4'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other words when you are training your primary stats, you train int first, if you have trains left, you train wis, and if you have trains left you train luck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have many spellups that don't last 2 ticks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't pick a channel for the life of me :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'interesting.  The Fed and other intragovernmental holdings (Medicare, Social Security, etc) owns a combined total of $6.328 trillion of the US's $15.xx trillion debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that hong kong or some city like that was built by opium dealer's and the dirty money they brought in, and one day china decided that city was sufficiently rich, and them and all of their associates disappeared - do you think this is a strategy used in other palces too?  maybe by other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't get what the strategy is'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just curious how politics works, letting corruption think they're gettinga way with what they're doin gettin all fancy rich and then poof, they're usurped and the removers have a nice castle to  inhabit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they strategize over centuries some of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nice to be able to see what direction people are moving the future into, since nature is unforseeable for the most part'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it interests me you know, people make life hard for themselves more than the world did, the world is more fair than people most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't know... what makes you think the chinese wanted the british to sell opium to the smugglers?  and regarding the world being fair, i don't see how it could be... in what sense is the world fair?  it's not sentient is it?  is sentience required for fairness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness is a human invention'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'it has no place in nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it likely doesn't occur naturally, true, but nature knows what fair is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'personification is risky'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'always wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fair is generally something that gets expressed when one has a means of comparing what you have to what someone else has.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't prove the world doesn't think, so it's possible, monsanto tries very hard to stop weeds from communicating with terminator seeds as they develop an immune system'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'well, since humans are a part of nature, it would seem that fairness is as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just because something's not made out of our kind of flesh dosen't mean it's impossible that it exists, in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jeez, how can a cafe full of gamers all day long not realize someone died therein?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't want to miss a frag?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did that happen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Teipei.  Estimates put the guy being dead for up to 9 hours before anyone noticed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, that's probably a pretty big problem to try to explain, but we can speculate, like those people walking past that little girls corpse that 2 trucks hit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know someone who goes to a gaming place on Fri nights and sits there till Sun night without moving except for bathroom runs, he is completely oblivious to what is going on about him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where's that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that many people and that kind of a mean government history and stuff, ultimate authoritarianism loyalty to 1000+ year old inherited families, i guess they live alot differently than most other nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think about it, mass-mind control, mass-media, people so similar adhering to the bunch'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that maybe so, but the easier explanation is that the mind naturally enters a state of altered perception.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that on the news about the little girl, people can be ignorant everywhere, and some places it's just impossible for people to notice when something's wrong, cause there's just so much going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'other places the crook's are the law and themselves both openly, but people can't notice that and just don't see what goes on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is the classic in NY, NY where the woman was being raped in a courtyard surrounded by apartments and everyone ignored her pleas for help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nobody wants to be the first one to respond'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i been to a casino once or twice in my life, i was astonished by how hypnotized and obsessed looking the people were, they was mean lookin but zombie like, it was like being in an alien zoo - i imagine if i were in enough of those zoo's i wouldn't be as obsessed over the details like one zombie not moving for 9 hours during my trip there - the staff though should have noticed, they're making sure nobody's cheating'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'staff's zombies too'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I wonder what it's like in Druzil's head'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people have died at gaming tables :) They have sat so long that their hearts could not manage to pump the blood through their systems.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of crooks, did you know that in the US someone is actually making enough money in income that he's paying 102% in income taxes each year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would think'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'speaking of idiots, someone doesn't understand how a progressive tax system works'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nah, you don't have to make much money to do that... just get behind on taxes and lose your job'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tax is a percent and its less than a 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nevertheless, that's what he's paid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that nots income tax that back taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I tried reading the article on that, it was confusing,  I think he is paying over 100% of TAXABLE income, not TOTAL income.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'same thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, it's horrible, one of the many epidemics that you can't not see - like i'm having a cigarette now, called number 7 brand (like the 7 deadly sins, with a symbolic family crest on it's cover, why do i smoke?  the world is damn depressing and while debating how long i have to deal with it and myself i'm shortening that time frame, if i seen a future to live for i wouldn't have smoked)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh well thats amy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i mean AMT'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you pay a minimum tax to prevent you from not paying anything by exploiting tax loopholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people probably go through similar thinking in their habits'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'to do that he is paying less than a person who makes 75k'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the job of a real government that wasn't installed by evil would always ultimately be for the people to govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way of knowing how long that's not the way things were though, there's supposedly 7000 year old next to diamond in density stone blocks in guatemala that were cut with laser precision, so it could be a long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad it seems that anyone who strives to govern (and doesnt get assassinated) seem to be self serving and evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to wonder how it all got started though, i keep things like the bible in mind, anything really's possible to me if it can be used to lead to more understanding of a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you note that after the development of the feudal system nothing new has come, then there is no way that people will ever be allowed to govern themselves. Let me point out what Camus said in The Revel, the oppressed rises against the oppressor and overthrows him, then they proceed to replace him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book ever "a higher court" it was supposed to be a fictional book about a trial to determine the existence of god and it turned out to be religious diatribe '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so many factual errors it was painful to read and it was only 225 pages'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am going to go out on a limb and claim that there is no way that humans will ever peacefully coexist. Such notion violates their hardwired need to prove that theirs is the best genes. The quest for the alpha male (or female) is what keeps humans in bondage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i notice that while wondering about aljazeera's article on this Stasi organization's 113 kilometres, with over 5% destroyed in 1989 of files on German civilian's oppressed by them after they replaced the Nazi's - like what you're saying anaristos, the opressed replace the oppressor'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it bothers me, if people don't like to feel some way then they shouldn't make others feel that way, otherwise where's their shield against justice?  are all governments built to defend them from that ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about when human bodies are just accessories worn by semi-intelligent robots?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its like child abuse if you abuse something too long you create people that want to oppress back'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't even watch the video, but i looked up what is stasi and read the review's, it fit into my prior assumptions before ever hearing about them - that's alright to me even if it is horrible, it tells me that my mind isn't always telling me lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there will always be an oppressor that will generate a rebellion, the rebels will prevail and become the new oppressors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree that humans are not capable of peaceful co-existence.....its never happened in history and life is a competition for resources that some jut can not resist trying to "win"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'history documentaries on evil empires and people should be contrasting their ideological factors that lead to the physical actions of the masses to the dissimilarities of today, or otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise what good are historians and teachers?  they're not teaching the knowledge that makes matter happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can define an evil empire as the other empire :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never heard of an empire declaring itself evil, though they commonly declare their rivals so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'recorded history, i notice that alot of cultures possibly have great perversions of their free histories before empire dominated them, replacing their savage way's with the domesticated animals that they are today - ie they are inaccurate'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'history is written by the winners, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one good way to keep the bad guy in his new palace is to make his conquered future think he saved them isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are using words like "evil" and "bad" as absolutes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people believe the confederate's were america's good army, for instance, but alot of the reality is possibly lost of the whole of the stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, the other guys are the bad guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US condemned the Nazis, and rightly so, but they did it while stuffing their citizens in concentration camps.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'while completely wrong the japanese internment has very little in common with nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't see what's good about the thing's i talk about, except that they're not hidden, ignorance doesn't set people free here'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well that degree is huge'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just because they didn't gas the interned Japanese doesn't mean that the purpose was not the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'losing a business or home vs being tortured and murdered by millions thats pretty extremely different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the for instance was the absolute's you probably have in mind, category, those individual instances and possible altercations with reality that the skeptic might consider possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was to isolate a portion of the population based on some bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think the internment was horrible but disenfranchising a population economically is still different that genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was talking more in terms of generalities and trends that those individual shaky points fall into position under often, one being more or less right on some thing than the other, both having their bad sides, etc, but that doesn't mean that in history there wasn't a good culture out there who governed themselves and were content with living respectable lives with their people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think our gov is pretty evil (i can only imagine what we are not privvy too) but i think most people at the top of the world are pretty nasty people ....you dont get there handing out brownies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla, you are arguing about the methodology and not the purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no-one called that godwin? ucla lost the argument already'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some pieces are needed to fuck that up, and those pieces are ideologies i think, trends of thinking and repeating itself, like how confident the mighty on the world are that they will never become unmighty, they have a proven history that they reference'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i don't even know what you're talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'll use the unabsolutes as pawns in a giant game of chess is what i think, expendables, like your human body with limited thinking android's mentioned earlier (somebody else)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree....but thats what debates are for'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs people who think in a world where you done everything to erase the truth from peoples minds?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that it is ok to intern people as long as you don't gas them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but will they put pawns on the first rank?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no i am saying that the two are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think comparing the two as equals is incorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I say that it is wrong to intern people, gassing them just make it worse. So they only differ in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but once again that degree is drastic....to me its like losing a finger or dying a horrible death...both bad but not equal'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Death Spam - botting or no botting?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a difference in degree is just a difference. The underlying act is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is rather like saying that farting is the same thing as blowing up a methane plant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you are defining the act at the place that helps your argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you do after the pivotal act declares the degree, nothing else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that american general being deployed to iraq who went crazy maybe is a result of having a person with a mind in the first (or close to) rank, so most likely yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Majic. They have nothing in common. Farting is a natural act, methane plants are constructs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the act of throwing people in ovens and gassing millions changes it from just "internment"\'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla is saying that it is ok to beat someone as long as  you don't beat him to death, for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on this bbc article on south korean 500 million dollar priison warden robot's they mention developing automated discrimination of human behaviour gun turret system's, no human intervention required to kill, machines have no conscience and mind to contend with'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'u can twist it however you need too....but i fail to see where i said any of it was "ok"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just said they are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mayan Lawngnome: 'i concurr'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I apologize, you are saying that interning Japanese is not as bad as what the Nazis did, and I agree. That doesn't mean that the intent wasn't the same. So the acts only defer in degree. Both actions were meant to separate a portion of the population based on some bias. Bias cannot be justified.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree with you more there. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do agree with you that bias is unjustifiable and that the internment camps were a really shitty, stupid thing to do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we already have the equivalent of those robots they are called 'corporations" a mechanism designed to relieve the conscience and liability in name of whatever heinous acts make the most profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would agree more with what you just said two'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But with respect to the 'beating' comment -- I would say that assault is still wrong, but that murder is worse. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i would respectfully have to disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, we'll get em good... wait til there's a really heated debate going'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '4chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the beating is the act in question. My point is that both a beating the results in the person continuing to exist and a beating that terminates the person only defer in degree. It is still the same act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in one, you're dead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't change the fact that it was  a beating. It only changes the degree of the beating.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they didn't gas the japanese slightly...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want to focus on what they did or didn't do to the Japanese, that is a different topic. The act in question was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is different from genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But I would say that 'interning people with the deliberate intent to kill them' is different than 'interning people''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not just in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can have genocide without internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sort of like punching someone in the face and shooting him in the face are quite different though they are both attacks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazi camps weren't primarily about interning... they were primarily about the... "final solution"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what i think your trying but i think you have to cut off the action a point (the imprisonment) where they are similar but to me that does not define the two acts....thats just conveniently tailoring the facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about kicking him when he's down?  that's a good one'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not separating the actions that took place. You use genocide to cover a series of separate actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'put you made the point of intent and thats where i can not agree that the intent was the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the nazis were amateurs. discuss gulag instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the difference between handcuffing someone to restrain him and handcuffing someone so that you can beat him to death.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Many Jews were killed by the Nazis without ever being interned. If you equate internment with genocide, then those particular Jews can't be considered as part of the genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one was about disenfranchising an unpopular culture and the other about extermination of a race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't a difference in degree, because the handcuffing isn't the primary action or intent'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think anyone's saying internment = genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the handcuffing is a collateral act. The primary act is restraint.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think sonshi just said what i was saying in a better way'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But restraint with the intent to murder is imo different than restraint with the intent to restrain.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and genocide was a collateral act, the primary act was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, which is why the american situation and the nazi situation was different in quality, not just degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the same thing :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the quality of an entity does not  affect its identity :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the primary intent of the nazi camps was to kill them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the primary reason for the camps wasn't to lock up Jews. That was collateral. The primary intent was to kill them, and in the process drag some work out of the fittest ones.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't see how anyone could argue that they were aimed at interning the jews, and the gassing was just incidental...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again i understand what you are trying to get at anar but you have to cut off the act at a convenient point for your argument which i think is a bit disingenous'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, if you want to focus on what happened to the interned in both camps, that's a different topic. My expostulation deals with the internment itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we just wanted to intern them, but gassed a few here and there for kicks...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but the internment itself had two different intents'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, and have sex with some of the prettier females, then abort the fetuses for study'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they did that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, why were the interned? That is the question. In both camps the reason was the same. The government was biased against the group.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't put it past them...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes they did '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how they treated the interned is another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all crimes are equal, because the perp judged that the victim was ripe for the crime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one explanation of 'why' -- another explanation is that in one case, they wanted to lock a race up while at war with the country they'd originally started from (wrongly, in almost all cases), while in another case they wanted to lock them up while they figured out better ways to kill them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are not looking at it as I am. I am looking at internment in a formal way. You are grouping objects that seem similar but are not necessarily so. Internment in the name of bias is the same anywhere. My point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well if i take your reasoning i can argue that both were different because one was germany and one was the US....if you only use facts you want and determine where to stop viewing the rest you can make any argument you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But you are also not looking at it as I am. You cannot just say 'This is my argument and my reasoning and I am right and you are wrong.''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what do you mean I can't??'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your mom'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic licks Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you... your... pop!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not adding or subtracting facts. I am looking at internment. The act of sequestering one or more persons for a reason. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im with sonshi, thats what politicians do everyday lol, but what is the topic of debate? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sotura has an "i disagree" spam bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'In this case, both acts were performed for the same reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but you stated yourself that the reason for the internment was a fact to consider and i put forth that those intents were very different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'arguing about whether the interning of the japanese and jews are different in quality or only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I would disagree that both acts were performed for the same reason, because I would consider the intent of the internment to be part of the reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, no. I said that both the US and Germany interned a portion of their population because of  bias. The reason in both cases is the same,  (racial) bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'with that statement I would agree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is all I've ever said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would consider that the intent is the main reason... no sane country interns people for kicks'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems that stuff most often happens for reasons of racism'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's hardly even the same type of bias either'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I dont think it was bias it was to calm the rest of country after we were bombed .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That would be taking up the topic of whether the actors enjoyed the act. Another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'racism doesnt hurt the cause at least'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think it was a (sadly) popular means to enter the war....its hard to want to kill people that look like the people you lived next door too and knew from the neighborhood'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Excuse me, Ucla? Calm the people after they were bombed? Where the interned Japanese part of the people?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'weren't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suspicion of a people that you're mostly at war with, and hate of a people you believe are inferior are also quite different. The first may not even be considered racism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not according to the rest of the country at the time (a sad but true fact)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US was not at war with US citizens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the us has always been at war with US citizens'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Further, German nationals were allowed free rein in this country even after the US went to war in Europe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the underlying cause was racial bias not calming.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are a nation of immigrants and we always single out the newest immigrant to pick on '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'germanic peoples form a large proportion of the US...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, it also makes you look like you're doing something'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's good Majic :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'germany didnt bomb us .... we chose to enter the war and attack them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm serious. a large portion of what the government does is based in the desire to make it look like they ARE doing something. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that too majic....thats part of what i mean by calming the people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What happened, again in degree, is the same as any other persecution which history has recorded. A portion of the population is unreasonably harmed based on some fictional trait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there were tens of millions of japanese in the US, I doubt internment would even have been an option'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is one reason that more people aren't upset about the TSA, because they feel like 'oh they're keeping us safe and the government is doing their best' (I've heard quite a few people say that)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'however wrong japanese citizens were not the controlling power in the US government and we as a nation have a history of hurting one group of citizens for another group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, that could have been said about the Jews in Germany, too. So that's not a factor. Other than to say that the harmed is usually the minority.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad they dont understand that the fear is pretty irrational'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazis, on the other hand, were not interning jews because they were primarily afraid that they might be spying on them. It was primarily an extermination thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That may be true, Ucla. They were not the controlling power, but according to the US constitution that is not to be considered when rights are at stake.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i wonder if jews were the minority...they didnt just go after German jews they went after all jews and i bet that the number would outnumber the german population.....they did attack an unpopular disenfranchised group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that could be the case, but in the case of the Germans it was harder to determine who was  Jew. Not so with the Japanese.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so.... 17 million died in the Holocaust.  Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it also gathered population together in hatred of an enemy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the US citizens interned were not the enemy. They had been attacked, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought it was 6mil?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they were pawns that looked like the enemy ....thats the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope that's not a justification you are giving me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if they are the same then everyone if asked whether they would rather be in a german concentration camp or a japanese internment camp should have no preference....i seriously doubt that would be the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also an enemy that had a pretty wide reputation for sending spies disguised as refugees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, you are discussing the degree and not the act itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its what i think is the reason why us citizens of japanese ancestry were interned'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people fear what they don't understand, understanding something absolutely is a hard thing to do, but understanding it not at all can be dangerous - educated people make educated decisions, but people don't seem to be educated much on being their own government instead of those people are required to lead you, and the theory's that drive government's - if those were considered, like saying democracy is every adult member of society having a voice in that government being absent, then there's more unrest, why people invent lies of fairness just so they can walk away from them, and attempt to staple those as realities in minds of their slave's is concerning, it reminds of the devil and his lies, like puff the magic dragon'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no im pointing out that you stating the same is not the case and would be demonstrated by answering that simple question'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if knowledge is power, a wise man with a rifle is less dangerous that a stupid man and a bad teacher telling him who to shoot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government's hate that though, it's unthinkable to have a world of people who are able to be wise at their own discretion, equal to the 'elite''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'German spies ran rampant in the US. Check the FBI files. But not once did the US declare them persona non grata. They just lived with the spying as "best" they could.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Now, If both Japanese and German US citizens had been interned (oh, and Italians, too). I would have no basis for an argument, would I?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe thats because a german spy is probably white and they didnt point the finger at people who look just like themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, you do get it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what you are trying to say i once again will argue that those two things are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was my thesis to begin with.  Both the US and German internment were done because of racial bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And I think people will agree with you stated that way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been implicit in my proposition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion, i seen a video on youtube somebody posted on a chat room where some east indian's gave a monkey an ak-47, they were laughing it up at the silly monkey, and then the monkey shot that rifle into the crowd of spectator's - were those wise people with guns and targets that they wisely understand, or tools in a wiser person's game who he let's have their play before sending them off on a job?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think that theory may be true....i personally think the US just did what they thought was popular sentiment because its easy to single out japanese americans from germans'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree there. Also germans have the 'they're like us''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we're largely european. japanese, on the other hand, are the 'other''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and some of the people in power probably had german ancestry'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a non-absolute perspective on why i think like that, i think you can think, maybe more people should grant that to eachother'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these words are not my intellectual property, they're just spam'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, don't forget that German sympathy in the US was not a minor thing in the US. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some functions on my computer are written from right to left, which is very unenglish'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagreed with your premise that both acts were same and had the same intent thats where i came in'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said, I was speaking of the internment itself, why did it occur. In both cases the motivation was the same. Though, I would be a fool to even consider that they were of the same degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the issue is, that 'the motivation' and 'the reason' could mean 'what are we locking up these people for, what are we going to do with them' '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'another topic altogether.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one reason governments prefer monkey's satisfied with second hand banana's than a jungle where they're at the mercy of the trees too, if everybody seen stuff like that nobody would dare to laugh for very long after they wisened up'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe i am being too technical but i would have a problem with someone saying why "did they occur" ...to me one was to placate the salivating masses as we entered a war and another was to exterminate an entire race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly, ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you broaden the topic enough, Ucla, you can arrive at the conclusion that they had no similarities. But if you focus on the underlying reason, they. at that level, are the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are people who would argue we knew about pearl harbor and let it occur so we could enter the war'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people often assume conspiracy where there is only incompetence...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with what the US did afterward, I am afraid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the thing is, that you are narrowing the topic precisely to make it 'the same' and unwilling to accept other peoples widening or narrowing of the tupic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree but i think its intellectually dishonest to stop at the point of "people behind a fence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ape with AK-47! Monkey Business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFG0u_CJN0s disturbing it is, they're africans though, my memory was wrong - at least i'm not racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it has a lot to do with intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you say 'similar' I don't think anyone will disagree w/you there, either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's when you say 'the same', that you run into issues :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is how you get to the truth, Ucla. You use building blocks. You can argue tha,t collaterally, they were different acts. But for them to truly be so they have to have a different source. And it has been shown here that they didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'human actions that result from human thought only differ in degree, since they all result from human though!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'debate i dont think you arrive at the truth by viewing facts up to the point it stops serving your argument best....thats why i think its intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'exactly sonshi....love is the same as hate....intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that video scares me, i mean it is scary right?  on so many level's it's not even funny - but it shows some of my reasoning on why letting people learn to become their own government is the wiser decision in the long run, because once one of those monkey's becomes your master, you don't want that to happen do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It's not a matter of self-service, Ucla. It is a matter of viewing a precise topic. Internment. Not what happen at the internment. But why did the interment happen. It happened because of a biased government, in both cases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people're masters of their children, who owns what should be dealt with democratically for those who value thier lives, only world we have to live on isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i still disagree with that they both just happened because of a "biased" government'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: ''masters of their children'?  how so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to argue about the differences, that is fine. But first you have to define their points of congruence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'are children slaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, they raise their kids to become into the adults that they are, that should be what they're doing, that could be perfected over time, but not with deadly consequences for deviance that aren't deadly in themselves, that's where system's come into play, like orphanages and rehabilitation centres'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Druzil i think a more widely governed society would be better...we pretend to be capitalists but the system is rigged '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technically, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, which is where you ought to be saying 'similar in origin' or something instead of 'the same', and then you won't have people disagreeing with you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff could be democratically perfected (moving towards instead of away from perfection, they are systems, not individuals) by the more minds that contribute to them than the silence of the most'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, I disagree, Ucla :) I rather only govern myself and have no other govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if it has to be screwed up i would rather more people be taken care of then a few being amazingly wealthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are poor, is a rich man making all their decisions the most democratic choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah but if we all feel that way someone might murder you because your a threat...if everyone makes up there own rules it silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things like that turn on the mind radar's, it's questionable and probably not the best choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think its not but i think thats how the US functions right now....to me its sad but true....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all empires fail....we jumped the shark'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no, i wasn't being racist - but that is one way a person could read that, there was an actual monkey there, they call it an ape, and i originally thought it was east indian's in the video, but it was african's -> it was only demonstrating what i mean, people are quick to point fingers at stuff that they think is racism though, i notice alot of people make alot of logical fallacy's because they are afraid to freely express their minds with those judges in their minds, their peers making sure they're politically correct etc, what's correct about politicis?  their job's are like to solve problems with words and take care of their own people before another's, so i apologize if my reasoning piece was morbidly real and taken from that viewpoint instead of the one it was meant to be taken by'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you ever seen a mind lawyer?  sometimes i watch them watching me on the internet, and i wait for their input with baits that i place, and with my affirmed assumption correlated i can detail who i'm discussing with more and more, some people are more keen than others - but most of them are judgemental - that's healthy, but there should be no kind of racism at all assumed just because it -can- be assumed, there are more than one way to see alot of statements'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what is a "mind lawyer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo people who cry racism often are doing like your godwin's law, using the most vulnerable playing card drilled into the mind of people as a defamation against their opponent - it's a signal of defeat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( most people are racists :) )
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know what racism looks like, i see it in alot of places, subtle or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think rascism is still very very prevalent ....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think its rascist to talk about race freely its when people jump to conclusions with no basis that makes it a real problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking clinically, I would say that racism is natural in the sense that it might be part of hardwiring. That is not an excuse, though, because our intellect can easily override it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and i think that happens all too frequently in the US even from presidential candidates'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'xenophobia might be a hardwired instinct...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'some rascism makes sense ...like migrating to a neighborhood of like people its when people act upon it irrationally to harm others that problems start'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too, i'm on the grounds that every human being has the ability to understand whatever is to be understood if it's given to them and that's not a hardcoded material body thing like some geneticists and eugenicists think, and some racists - i discuss racism and try to figure out some of the mysteries of their understanding for my own benefit of not being faulty in my reasoning, i never joined up with a racist group or anything like that - i checked out some websites to see what kind of people inhabit them, but never found the kind of people i was lookin for'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, whatever the reason, being instinctual is no excuse. We override instinct all the time, otherwise the murder rate would be much, much, higher :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i grew up in a white community mixed with indians, i had alot of confrontations with indians but also some of my best and longest lasting friends were indians, whether or not they hated white people, some of them thought of me as an indian'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist, i just don't see the solution in any single race on earth being beyond the realm of victimization by a similar psychological group of master's of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some seem moreso than other's, but looks can be deceiving and news is a tightly guarded industry, like superbowl t-shirts'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know i can call that, reptillian shapeshifter paradigm?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, they came from outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they inhabit human body life programs and rule your world, the great tyrants of mankind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen a single nation on earth where the government doesn't fuck over their people in favour of making a few fat calf's fatter, that's what i mean, they're psychologically a race of their own, they wear all kinds of human skin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't be racist because they're members of my race too, your race, everybody's race has them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah thats just greed and i think overly greedy people have an inclination to power and politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just greed and there's the angry people at the casino, and the people not noticing the man not moving for 9 hours hogging a possible money maker'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dehumanization and greed are different things, one can be used as a leash to receive the other though'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'greed is a natural animal drive, you could argue that plants have it also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might be part of the reason why racial bias exists, though racial bias is a human construct. The actual drive is the establishment of the alpha pair.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might even argued that racial bias is also natural construct if you expand "race" to mean shared dna. So dogs hate cats because their dna differ.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but why do dogs like humans?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'That is not always true'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the expansion of the definition might not work :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I have a dog that loves my cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I realize that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there must be something less fundamental than DNA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: '(just had to pitch in my 2 cents there)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'quite acceptable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I just sqeezed out some DNA today...just sayin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's keep it clean, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen national geographic video of baby birds who just ate pretending that they didn't so they can get more food - animal drive maybe while they're just adolescents, that's where the master parents are supposed to be setting them straight isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mamma bird only has a beak for one citizen'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government like a bird metaphor is pretty cool, i wonder if lao tzu had stuff like that in mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in nature, Druzil, animals will do just about anything to prove that they are superior to others of their kind. Again, I am thinking that this is because the alpha pair must be established.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so greed is a natural drive. The problem is that the human ability to redirect input may pervert natural drives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when a dog analyses a situation, it does not dissemble, it comes to a pure conclusion so he kills his enemy to establish supremacy. Humans avoid this and in the act of avoidance perpetrate acts that are cause the same result but only indirectly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dogs don't think in such a way that they can claim that they had other intent. Humans spend an enormous amount of time pretending that they mean something else when they act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure they can, when they're stalking their duck in the reeds slowly, do they show their intent of killing that duck or keep it hidden trying to appear as a non-dog object until within striking distance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, more to the point is the reason why they are hunting the duck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the duck gets away but the dog thinks it wasn't sure that duck knew that dog was coming to kill it, it might not reveal it's aggression because it learned to be a patient hunter'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can do similar things with biscuits or if they do something that annoys you, they do it for that reason sometimes - they know better, but they're testing you - my dog has proven to be more than a mindless object on several occasions'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dog whisperer guy on national geographic is pretty good with dog's, it's amazing how he read's their psychology's like people and deals with them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I simply accept the fact that dogs can think, after that it is pretty easy to communicate with them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some dogs like punishment and pain, their earliest memories are torment, they are like some people - makes them mean and see people as the enemy, but they know what they can get away with through training - like people learn the same way'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and they're tasty!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Dirkdiggler on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I mean...um...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, same here'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was extra in that movie though...i was in the beginning bar scene....the roommate of my college gf (diane mizota) was one of the dancers'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't like punishment and pain but they go after it and do what causes it anyways, because they're traumatized just like people, they are denying that nature that you figured they couldn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i watched boogie nights at least 10 tens'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'DID SOMEBODY SAY BOOGIE NIGHTS?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever seen a dog go after a porcupine when his master said sick em, and he kept on going at it and at it and didn't learn but followed his master's words, then you have a mean master who should have learned a lesson and a dog that's showing an example of loyalty and self-denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'obviously my fav movie!  and Fear and Loathing'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my car tag says "DIRK" as well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher snorts a bunch on blow
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have a dog who's an idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah I was an extra in that movie the roommate of my gf in college is Diane Mizota and she was a dancer in that movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she was fook yu in austin powers and on G4'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'awesome!!!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i am in the opening bar scene when roller girl goes by me and my buddy are at the bar in the back corner drinking a beer'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'woot paul thomas anderson movies rule'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the master reflects alot of conflicts in the world though , are their dogs idiots too?  do you work for their purposes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty good comparison really, soldiers and dogs of war, attacking the various porcupines set up in array against them because the masters told them to, but knew what the end result would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the porcupines was just lookin for somewhere to scratch it's back though, and they did a fine job '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'porn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's just a similarity between a dog and his master and a soldier and his master, sometimes the master's aren't very good at their jobs at all, like almost all the time when not dealing with dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I've seen boogie nights with the directors commentary and then again with the cast's commentary...not to mention the 20 times I've seen it on DVD'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'with I could say I was in the movie...the part where I was hookin up the the girls '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whats the redhead chicks name?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'does makeup commericials'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'julianne moore?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'redhead milf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'julianne moore'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'in the big lebowski also'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'you should punch yourself for not knowing she is soooooo faptastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i was glad to see that chick (from weird science and big lebowski) made an apperance on Californication as some crazy sex milf...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'not talking about Julianne'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, guys, Julianne Moore leaves me cold...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'red head?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski is the best'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'heather graham?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'not heather graham'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea i WAS talkin about her now I was talkin about the weird science chick who was in King Pin (not big leboyski my bad)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lets combine our debates...boogie nights vs dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and GO!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Kelly LeBrock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love them both'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i personally find dogs more attractive'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'my westies are awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'shes not a red head though and wasint in king pin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She was hot :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ok who is the chick from the Weird science SERIES'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'duke and duchess wear rule pants'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he said a red head that in king pin and weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'kelly lebrock is right as the chick from weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod ucal'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/02/03/edmonton-oilsands-monitoring-new-system.html most people would see this and think wow, for that kind of money foresure something's being done - but they don't realize that to erect a single oil rig costs around 250 million dollar's after other fee's for location contracts, and 50 million dollars a year would be easily swallowed up by the people with a million 250 million dollar per year investments set up, and possibly be padding their pockets at the same time - if alberta's citizens cared about their water it would be a community service like the citizens in weyburn saskatchewan noticing their water is toxic and things are dead on the surface after the CO2 capture project from north dakota got installed, but the government here made sure that that wasn't the real reason that those things are dead and the water is trash'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who once was married to Stephen Segal :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of criticizms i don't see on the news much'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'simple community service was ignored in saskatchewan, the free solution '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alberta's so 50 million dollars better, you bet their water is valuable compared to the demand for export on their tarsands'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ass, 50 million a year is nothing to them, it's like coca cola gathering donations to save polar bears in the arctic, 2 million bucks over 5 years, 5 rigs = 2.2 billion dollars scheduled to happen within that time'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2 million dollar lawyer versus 2.2 billion dollar judge, yep, community service loses again'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'canada = america's hat. make sure you impress everyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legend of heru behutet and the winged disk is my hat of canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check it out, you can almost put the egyptian landmarks onto american continent and have yourself a new look at these mysterious egyptian translators'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maybe you guys can cook up some magic touque eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's a pretty mean dude, kind of fits the personality profile of the dudes who run american continental nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although he'd make them all look like wimps cause they're worshippin him in the story'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'use the beer money i gave you, you HOSERS!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you are newbie do you get a free SH.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just watched the news tonight and they say that the government declares that some living people are deceased (this is in canada), and they only repented of their slow computer systems to fix the error when some light was shone on their stupidity'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was prettty terrible watching these living people discussing how the government says they're dead, saying they called up the insurance company to claim their death benefits at which point the government piped up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently it's real stuff, seen it right there on the b.c global news i think it was, or maybe it was ctv'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the comedian's mentioning chinese new year speech of losing 5 pounds and learning to play the harmonica, it was one demented night on the news, unfortunately i lack any mind altering substances to make it seem less fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll rent you an "off" button for your tv for 1 usd/day'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'll do it for 1 aud/day - that's a better deal!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they pay people in canadian prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can buy themselves some chocolate bar's at the end of each month'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every 2 months rent a hooker, what's wrong with that'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that california prison that gets paid 250,000 dollars per inmate per year is pretty insane, sex offenders i think go there, but that's what, 24 people's welfare cheques spent on rehabilitation of a single sex offender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's strange, i watched a documentary on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its all business....the new model is that they want to privatize all the prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'too late...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are some supreme court cases involving states that send prisoners to a private prison out of state.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 2500 sex offenders = 250,000 * 2500 625 million dollars a year'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's wrong isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, that's it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how happy of a staff they got '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have some sample prisoners on stage who receive the neccessary public affairs investigation materials that somebody's doing their job and throw the rest in the cellar possibly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you want to get depressed look up the stats on the "war on drugs" ... one the dumbest things America has ever spent money on...no gains and all our infrastructure and education in the crapper'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps thats what they mean when they refer to the "sex industry" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's it, i wouldn't put it beyond them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A LOT of chest-beating going on at the moment over in the shithole that is the middle east'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think it will be used to throw a lot of issues to the back of the room'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we had a south carolina judge go to prison for taking bribes to give stricter sentences and have more convictions....the private prisons in his state were paying him off'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that oil producing reigon ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oil isn't 'produced', it is simply found.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is a big part of the problem, esp. Saudi'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A whole race of people getting rich off the blood of others based solely on where they pitched their tents'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: ''eh tomato semantics '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a production to obtain it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what I have always found amusing is that the US decries the way the Arabs are manipulating the price of oil, but as soon as it goes up, the people in TX raise the price accordingly. None of that "will show them, we'll keep our price reasonable" crap.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada opens up a gold mine in labrador reservation land and the price of gold drops along with the canadian dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good, though I don't see why the CD would drop unless they are floating it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, have you ever introspectively examined your bias against people unlike yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people who don't want kids are known as leeches of society in some places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'not these places'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right, I'm a leech on society.  Because I don't claim breeder benefits, I pay into Social Security like every other person who works.  I'm not on welfare.  I'm paying off my own loans.  Explain to me how I'm a leech again, I think I missed something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is 2012 western world, not some ass-backwards tribal third world shit hole, and/or medieval village.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Well, you borrowed money from the government right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'People on welfare are also borrowing money fro the government.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which I am PAYING. BACK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they are not borrowing a damn thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If someone on welfare gets a job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought you got it from the bank, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat? Welfare is a gift, not a loan...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'and pays taxes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'These welfare whores who never work a damn day, how will they pay any of that back?  They won't.  That's why it's called a handout.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are paying it back right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the places where they desperately need kids aren't the poor places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taxes are payments for services. Not payments on loans.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the people who don't have kids are an extra burden on the country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Welfare is a service.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'In the event you don't have money, we will give it to you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please explain how childfree people burden society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they grow old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kids are a burden. Single non-parent people are the single most productive people on earth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah?  We pay into social security our whole lives too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and star is pathetic and probably living in his moms basement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I work on drilling rigs in the oilfield.  What do you do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the country quit importing thing's at the rate they could fill up production facilities with their own unemployed citizen's, providing training etc to get them to produce and earn their money that can purchase what they build, then there's some basis for saying you're unemployed cause you're lazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, I'd love to debate more, but when people say stuff like "welfare whores" I just assume they're fat bald jerks like Limbaugh and laugh at them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they wouldnt offer welfare if they didnt want to. besides in my state it goes to the mexicans '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids are why Social Security is going to run out before I retire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise there's one of the main problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i work at mcdonalds and feed fat americans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but countries at half replacement won't be able to support these leeches when they grow old. You savings won't be worth very much because there won't be people making stuff. Unless they move somewhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I always laugh when people say welfare is so awesome....if its so great why dont we all volunteer...and dont give me some nonsense about ethics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sometimes they dont have legs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US Dept of the Interior pays states for their children :) So low birthrate means less income :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are people legitimately on welfare: recently laid off, disabled people, victims of some of the more damaging crimes. Then there a the lazy shits who should be chained up building roads.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'What state do you live in, Shadowsdie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ARIZONA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling is missing her calling. Anne Coulter is getting old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Shadow, quick question, who looks after babby when you are working or at school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people would probably be safer if all government workers had to volunteer and still work at a real job during the day or night, and the police force was composed of locals, and the taxes were spent on making those employment opportunities happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Arizona.. Heh, I'm from California. You must be one of those racists that want them all sent "back over the fence".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People should be self-sufficient before having kids. No exceptions for planned pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you study economics you will know that its an accepted fact that that we need some employment it will never be zero.....so once again if some people have to do it and it sucks why villify them instead of the people who rape our economy from the top....its just a deiversion that fools fall for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker is agreeing with that Vakieh person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wanna know who is taking all your money star? rapists murderers etc in prison and jail sucking our tax money away.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what happens if your brother wants to go out and have a life instead of picking up the slack and providing free babysitting service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is what I mean by 'sponging off the family''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah i just learned that ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats the point. if hes not taking care of her hes sleeping'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home some people hire a maid to look after the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus its not free i give him a place to stay  so he doesnt end up in jail'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you let some would be criminal take care of your kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'same issue with illegal immigration nobody wants those jobs and the people that hire illegals are the same rich folk feeding the masses red meat that we need immigration reform to save their jobs.  Its all a diversion to keep us beating on each other thinking we will one day be them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'anyone COULD be a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a tax deduction for the maid levy too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'remember in america... anything is possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'a tax deduction for a maid levy? what are you talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know why he WOULD be a criminal. because he CAN be.. i didnt say he ever was.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, there's a tax (levy) on each maid you hire'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'now my daughter father most definitely is a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should just take the kid away from her, before she does something regretful enough to ruin its life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'wow never heard of that were is home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, each foreign maid, but no one in their right mind would hire a local unles you're swimming in cash'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you hatched a loaf with a criminal?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'cant we spend more time attacking the fact that one person who did no more work than anyone else can have a billion dollars...rather than attacking small leeches'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'a class one felon actually running around on the streets while people stealing stuff take his place in prison because he SNITCHES... great public safety?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, no wonder he has money.  I bet he's slinging meth, isn't he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tbh with you, I don't think anyone who believes McD's food is ok should be trusted with the care of another human being...that's just me talking though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Han you saw that. I meant that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves how the "facts" are flying around :>
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'illegality is only one piece of legislation away....remember what is "illegal" is man made'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i hatched a loaf with a dr in a hospital i just used the criminal in the process of getting pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'can we stop using this loaf metaphor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it sounds awkward'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: '17, dirt poor, lives alone, husband a criminal, works at maccas, entrusts child with relatives many hours of the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the more developed economies, the scandinavian countries, etc, they also throw tens of thousands in cash, credits and subsidies for each kid... because kids profit the economy, really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not having them is a drain. At least on properly run countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never said my brother had money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'cause he doesnt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so obviously hes not SLINGING meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'use "bun in the oven" instead...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: '...bun on the table'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that one sucks too anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bun in the oven no longer applies.  That loaf was baked already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i never said i was married to her father either'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WAIT - you leave your child with a methhead???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my soon to be husband is actually a military man'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no vak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow every one assumes in the debate channel you know what they say about assuming'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'they make an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'military man == long absenses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Long absences and FREE MONEY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'good you dont deserve a kid with your views. enough said'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'free money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I agree frankly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'money will make everything better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'putting his life on the line is not free thank you. ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I aliased goss to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I definitely would not be a good parent.  As soon as the little shit loaf screamed too much I would probably punt it out the window.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos wonders what everyone here's been smoking...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again i never said he was STILL in the army'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or flush it down the toilet with the rest of the shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'If these kids had half a brain they'd be dangerous...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing serious is ever said on debate channel.  Honestly, we should start up an online petition to have it renamed to the Troll channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'our money is based on free money....ask a banker...Motto: Bring it in at 3%, lend it at 6% and golf course by 7....lending your own money back to you is not work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can tell you wouldnt be a good parent star. your fat and still live with your mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'military minded man, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i meant to say our country is based on free mony'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can be dangerous. but i have a daughter and im not allowed to be.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'easy, boys and girls, we debate ideas here, we attack each other on gossip and imm :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't have to be bitter because you're sterile... there are solutions being worked out to things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well we were told by rumour to bring it here so whatever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl, I am not fat and I don't live with my mom, but keep trying :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'smiles at sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were told by same to stop the personal attacks, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok let's see how many people can say an absolutely unreal statement and how stubborn they are that what they are saying is based on truth and not just tv news and hearsay'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'obviously nobody here believes that you can take care of your child since  you can't afford yourself.you are event not adult,legally'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even though it is debate, where cursing and attacking *ideas* is ok, personal attacks are a no mudwide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not by an im but ive been being attacked this WHOLE time and only I MYSELF have to stop the personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take semicloning, for instance...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry though, I got my tubes tied last December, I won't be foisting any emotionally damaged children on the world :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is an Imm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whatever i guess i should be used to it. thats how life is anyways'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still trying to get a handle on the actual premise being debated :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's self-inflicted.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have been attacking your ideas - not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never said to stop personal attacks he said to take it to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calling Starling fat and a basement neckbeard is not attacking Starlings ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess there's a good case to be made that some people aren't suited to have kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, feel free to think that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'he said stop personal attacks and take the rest to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'She*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been true, Sonshi. The planet would not survive otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'll try to have more one day to make up for that terrible loss to society!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you see anaristos starling decided that im a poor parent because im 17 and have a daughter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'but I'm tired of battling facts with people who have none...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SHE*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother had me when she was 17...I appreciate the life and all, but it was not a smart decision on her part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is a well-enough-adjusted babe that she's not too worried about sounding mannish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vakieh, it isn't income that makes a parent bad or good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its text not the way she sounds how am i supposed to know gender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'VAK IS CORRECT.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my mother is a wonderful poor woman that i wouldnt change for the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother is just now with her second marriage, second set of kids, with a uni degree and a steady, solid income - what she *should* have done in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if they had been paying attention, the knife in your back would have stopped at job and school. they're stuck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that said, there are more bad parents among the population of low-income parents.  Just like there are more fat, lazy people among regular fastfoodies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but didnt but look how well off she is now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '17 is TOO YOUNG to be responsible for raising kids, period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and probably happy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that Hans is a FAT lie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos hrmphs for no apparent reason.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you hate your mom?vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there are no absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'My mother had me at 17. I am the second.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and kids around the wourld are 12 and having children and just because we are in america its wrong?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I appreciate the hard work she put in, but I wish she had waited'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i think not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I had it a LOT harder due to the shitty start'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'maybe you guys, and your incapability to imaging having children, should leave it at that. YOU being incapable does NOT mean others would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'how does one calculate that there are more bad parents in the low income bracket?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Thankfully I was smart enough to pull myself out of public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'whats wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its HARDER yes but if life was always easy i wouldnt have been smart enough to get a job before my 40 year old father decided to abandon me for the second time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's not just the age though but a whole host of factors, including the father being a criminal, the mother having both a job and school, the babby being left in the care of relatives all day... in other circumstances having a baby at 17 might be perfectly fine, but here, we're not saying it is necessarily a wrong thing to have done but that there may have been a better way to spend your remaining teenage years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Public school is fine. Public school when your mother can't afford books is not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school ....nothing wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your education is your own responsibility anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you calculate it by believing CPS when they say they protect kids and in the meanwhile, CPS are the very people beating raping and auctioning the kids they take....off in vegas....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again gwyn is right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '? I didnt need to buy books in public school...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually for the first few years of your life you have no choice in education'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'hay I've seen 14 year old with babys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's true. But once out of HS, your education is your problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school and then college and then got a law degree from a top 20 law school and a masters ....all public schools until law school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter was reading and doing math in the fourth grade level...at 5! you think loq income has more to do with raising children than being there for them and allowing them to show you what they are capable of....wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except if your smart like me tell them screw you and do it yourself. the right way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, if you're smart you use the pill or get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or, you know, just don't fuck around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i plan and helping my daughter do the same so if she ever gets emotionally attacked like such she can defend herself better. or maybe even do better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you go use "the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and tell me how your body ends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a teen thing.  They are pathologically incapable of making good decisions in the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't forget the the IUD is also an option :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i had a friend have an abortion and then wanted to commit suicide for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling is upset at not having kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I did for a while, and it didn't end up knocked up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly gwyn!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did studies on this back around the turn of the century or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'one of my main points'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which century?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yes, I am so upset that I didn't shit a loaf that I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh I'm here bro an her dads the reason I went to jail a h '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and Hanslanda obviously doesnt have many friends or know people who love their children....thats sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing is just odd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and the iud can misshapen your uterus so if you plan on children in the future you become sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the y2k omigodweregonnadie! century'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unable to hold a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'took the bun out of the oven, Starling. Pay attention to our metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Riddle me this - if you had the choice to put your kid "on hold" for 10 years - would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You have all these grim ideas, why not just wear a god dam condom?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I completely regret not having to change shit-filled diapers or get woken up at all hours of the morning.  I am kicking myself for the $250,000 dollars per brat I will be able to spend on myself instead.  WOE IS ME, what have I done?  What. have. I. done???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i taught rich kids who were just as uneducated as my low income ones. you always knew who had parental support at home. its not income based in the least. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i thank everyone who is making sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'or not go around having sex all willy-nilly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow you really are a heartless person'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'By all means go have sex, it's a wonderful thing. Just wear a god dam condom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with eureka'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i just thought you had a stick up your butt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, having kids are not for everyone, however, I can't understand your lack of respect for the process since it led to you being here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would like an answer to that q so I can decide whether to write you off or not - please - if you could put your kid on hold for 10 years, would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or you could give birth to a black/blue, or blonde/blue child, and have it taken at the hospital before you even get to hold it, and get railroaded out of your rights....all for the sake of a greenback dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'being childless is a great ideology to have, but attacking others for wanting children is going overboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually the sex was not good and condoms arent 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they found that responsible teens are no less likely to insist on condoms or take pills or otherwise make the good decisions they will claim they'd choose prior to getting into the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Condoms are more effective than no condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree, not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Condoms are dam near effective and you need to find a better guy then. :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, that came out wrong.  No more likely than the bad-decision-making teens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did find a better guy you ppl know him as ironclad. i know him as the love of my life who has always been there we just didnt figure it out until recently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wierd thing occured: Me and my gf had sex for the first time like a month ago and guess what.. SHE DIDN'T END UP PREGNENT! Woah, must of got lucky that the condom worked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, that's interesting, Starling. Though one could infer many things from "childfree". For instance, dumping the neonate into the garbage dump would render you childfree but not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Anaristos, you are wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Shadowsdie, did you meet him on this mud?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A childfree would never shit the loaf in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No actually shes right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no ive known him since i was 3'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am point out that "child free"  is not such a great label.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is there to be no answer? Is that question hitting too hard? Would you rather have had a kid at 27 than 17???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my wife and I are trying to have a baby ...been trying for two months...no protection and no baby.....you spend most of your life trying not to get pregnant and then when you want to its not as simple as you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'only the convenient questions are being answered today'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt know when i want a child all i know is i love the one i have and have no problem with having her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a related study about nonspecific-agegroup good-decision-making people was made, umm, last year that showed that even though most people would claim they'd do the right thing, when it came time to do the right thing they would instead do the safer or more popular thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree simply means you don't want kids, no way, no how, and that you will do anything to prevent having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it's like that simpsons episode where they say "The children are our future, unless we stop them now" or something like that...  gotta understand children are a necessity and if you choose to be "childfree" thats great, I don't plan to have children either, but I don't think other people are idiots for wanting children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you really haven't thought reality through at all, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'infact we are trying to have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'including dumping the error into the garbage dump.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so....if any one of you people saw an event, like a kid bailing over a bench onto cement, and their parent was not nearby. would you help the child? or walk away and bitch about how well people care for them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i would have never waited that long to have kids vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ugh, shit another loaf for ME to pay for?!?!?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and like ucla said its not as easy when you want it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'in which case maybe YOUR mothers should have used condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '2 kids. On a McD's wage, where you have no money to buy a salad instead of the crap they have on offer???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i never said anything star you wouldve never known about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'It makes me want to go have kids with my gf and get welfare just to mess with you guys. xD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'im also a socialist so i dont care about the "taxpayers paying for children" stuff you've been spewing hate against'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'for you to pay for lol......'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are making the responsible adult in me so fucking angry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think all this child planning just warps the natural order of things. The ecosystem takes care of itself, it doesn't need humans to "fine tune" it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, no, in that case you are a breeder and a murderer.  That person is NOT childfree AT ALL.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'like i said again....i am not on any government program but public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are 17 and trying to have another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you still go to school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'without freedom.. we wouldnt have public schools..... or mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why not? because im irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree about the charges, Starling. Still, the person would be free of children, hence child free.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'all this mention of mcdonalds makes me wanna go out to grab some mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Star will be happy to know that what once was less than a penny per dollar for the well being of low income families and handicapped people....have become a tenth of that, and the rest is going into GOP pockets, which poison your air and your water as well as ours....but '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know me too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I never said that, nice try though. Why are you trying to have a 2nd child when you barely make ends meet with 1 child?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of us people, Gwyn?  Fully threequarters of the world will say with decided vehemence that they'd help that kid, but if they ever got into that situation and had to decide to help or not they would not help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well its more like we are gonna wait but if it happens it happens and so far it hasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of that is just the "it's someone else's problem" indifference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But that's not what 'childfree' means, even if that person is 'free of children'.  They are not childfree, because they would have bred.  Anyone who breeds, regardless of what happens after breeding is, by definition, not childfree.  I suggest you look it up on google, since you clearly don't understand the meaning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would bet i pay a lot more taxes than starling ..... should i whine because your not paying the same amount? its relative.  Children use resources and so do people with no children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the poor are probably better prepared to deal with whats happening and might just be YOUR saviors when your stockmarket hits the fan for real and you have no camping gear to survive with'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Hans I think gender is important in this study, the males-helping-strange-children bias is an entirely new debate topic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are the reason people hate teen mothers. You are the reason people yell out "Wear a fucking condom you scag" to young parents pushing prams. Your attempts at another child are selfish acts which will haunt your first and any subsequent child for the Rest. Of. Their. Lives. Stop now, if you love your child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, gender isn't important.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect, breeding children is the natural way. Clinically speaking, that is why we are alive, to perpetuate the (human) race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why not just have 20 kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mention, when your little toddler niece or nephew, wanders out the door while their parents are sleeping, 9 times out of 10 it will be a POOR person that rescues them out of the snow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gwynyfar, I wouldn't care if it was less than a penny a dollar.  I would resent that penny, because that's multiple hundreds I lose to poor-ass loaf shitters.  I could buy a lot of stuff with that money, but I can't because irresponsible folks just have to fuck without protection and dump the results on society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow okay so that was just a test to see how many would turn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Excuse me if I take offense at that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Did I turn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'gwyn that's only because that tends to happen more often in poor neighbourhoods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Praetor, it is because people used to have 20 kids that  we are here today. The reason we don't have that many today is because attrition is down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vekih you missed the important parts of this debate hon.,...Shadowsdie is getting an education and tkaes care of her child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt describe it as turning so much as good intentioned advice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'this protection/condom thing is ridiculous...tons of children created even with protection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, I can use some of my other terms'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you hear her McD's talk? She can't afford a fucking $2 salad, why could she afford another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'lets hear it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah ironclads mom was using a condom and was on the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that's why I rescued a baby in the snow at 2 am in a rich suburb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Zane, but you have to admit the number is lower than without :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love the assumption that people with children use more resources...again its all relative. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Crotch dropping, twatwaffle, fucktrophy, the list goes on :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'i think starling is not tolerant as uncla,because he has to pay back a big loan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm just suggesting that if you cannot afford like with one child, perhaps you should wait before having a second child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'afford life*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i was just testing '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My loans are not THAT big, but nonetheless I am paying them, I'm not going to dump it on somebody else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i came out of law school owing 200k'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'mirely a test on my own part in my mad little world'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a big population issue before the dirty 30's wasn't it?  that and poverty, then after ww2 they had big baby boom again, i wonder if they're gonna repeat that same thing or not - it just seems likely based on what i read/heard on tv and the internet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that is inside my head'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I worked my way through school so I owe zip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh shit, I go to school and the government gives me FAFSA and I don't have to pay that back. Am I a leach now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'same here anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People with kids DO use more resources.  More electricity, more fuel shuttling the brats around, diapers in the landfill, more food, more water... need I go on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'notice Praetor how many people even caught on to that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter ate better, had all the functional clothing she needs, from swimsuits that fit right and comfortably, to winter gear that's really warm, was way better off without CPS'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'people with kids also create more resources too.... e.g., the kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i said about morality, doesn't take much morality to cause those problems in the past, .. and going into the future - but i know of some good people who raised responsible adults and weren't rich, they're often elderly now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just think that most of the hate that is spewed about people is a diversion from the things that truly hurt society....the people in control cheat us of billions and we are brainwashed to worry about the couple million lost on trivial stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'd just like to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'think about the kids who get taken by cps because certain people dump babys off or are bad parents and they end up in group homes like my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if you are interested in going after people who are NOT good for children, I recommend reading Kidjacked.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well in stars eyes YES YOURE A LEECH not in mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I go to college and the government gives me 600 a month because I make less than a certain magical number. Does this make me a leach for utilizing the services available to me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no they dont....go to a rich neighborhood and go to a poor neighborhood and really look at resource consumption ....what do you think rich people do with that money? they spend to access resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one is forcing you not to return some of the money :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'cps stopped taking abused kids in some states, because healthy happy children bring a highrer buck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i couldnt even APPLY to FAFSA because my father RAN from the government LEECHING off tax payers so he wouldnt have to pay childsupport'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'He wasnt unhappy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The idea there, Praetor, is that it's better to spend that money sending you to school, in the hopes that you make something of yourself and pay taxes later, than to spend that money on your welfare/drug treatments/incarcetation/etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But I've gotten like 3600 from the government for my 2 years in college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And I'm not expected to pay that back.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'People like starling just decided his mother was unfit.... SURE SHES A LITTLE SLOW but not unfit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But isn't that what welfare is?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, welfare isn't that at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give you that money in hopes you make somethign of yourself and pay taxes later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'what it is is nothing compared to what it was before Bush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you sure you didn't mean FISA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, FAFSA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Praetor.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BUT IT GOES back to taxpayers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who also pay welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Welfare just keeps them from starving to death, they don't go on to better themselves, they just keep loaf shitting and sponging.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'yes praetor that is the goal of it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its FAFSA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'used to be you could get a leg up, wasn't costing taxpayers half as much as a war where the people fighting it are getting fed about as well as welfare families do right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'childfree - What I earn is mine. What my parents gave me is also mine. No way in hell I'll give anything to the next generation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Just because Welfare is shown in a different light, it is the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'FAFSA is the financial aid thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There should be time limits for all non-disability welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling that last comment prooves to me that you dont understand welfare or economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give me JUST enough to survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the welfare system here is that they continue to give you money so long as you prove that you are attempting to find work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, the biggest walfare check goes to the Armed Forces. What they spend makes welfare a penny ante game.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Think about how much taxpayers money you use just arguing online?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'no attempt to find employment = no welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anaristos is right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Actually in Cailfornia it is 6 months.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you get 200'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there is limits in place vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How am I using taxpayer money arguing online?  Taxpayers aren't paying for this internet connection, gas and oil customers are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you work 80 hours a month, or 20 hours a week.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'california and texas made over 4 billion in 2007, kidnapping babies for resale'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'in pa you get 5 years total....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'tell me again where your taxes are going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did New York make planning 9/11?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Source, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of thinkin about tax payer money talking online, think about the drop in the bucket of your own nation's resources exploited by greedy people to cost you money at a multitude of the cost they provide your resources to other governments of rich men like them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Bush get for letting the terrorists win?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Praetor.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'welfare is a necessary evil ...its a well discussed economic issue people are brainwashed about our ability to have 100% employment despite the fact its never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the tax from EVERY DOLLAR of that oil and gas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Obama get for faking Osama's death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '5 years of support/working for cps/working for family rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'FEDEAL TAX MIND YOU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'dead senator...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is all just a nothing compared to how much is sent elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the internet relies on technologies developed through generations of public (and private) spending. Like most things.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Shadowsdie, that funds environmental concerns and other services, supposedly.  The taxes don't pay for this internet connection.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'initial installation and procuration is the most effort, the rest is greasing that in as many ways as possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly you just said SUPPOSEDLY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre defending something you are not even SURE of'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money the customers spend on oil and gas do, since that money funds the energy company, which funds the drilling company, which funds the oilfield services company.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar, how did Cali & Texas make over 4 billion "kidnapping babies for resale"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats what they tell you is it not? so you have how much of an education?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'the fact that we have internet is based on the work of tons of people who we did not pay.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's not the same as 'tax dollars', though I wouldn't expect a highschool dropout to know the difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was tought not to believe something i cannot see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Then you cannot believe in air.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'aw shit, stuff's getting personal up in here!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'didnt al gore create the internet!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'lol sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whos to say i dont belive in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and whos to say i do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet mathematics was invented by somebody interested in abstract thought and solving problem's, not by a rich man and his money - computers are machines that mainly use math'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you were taught to not believe in what you can't see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And clearly, not taught to question what you were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we should talk taxes starling.....i have a feeling you lose that conversation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money just results in lazy abstract thinkers finding more and more abstract ways to make itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and did i ever tell you i believe in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Therefore air does not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, math was very definitely thought up by a filthy rich person in ancient times.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you told me you believe in everything the government tells you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'crickets....crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'debate The government is incapable of lying.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please find that quote'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'caesar's money and moses money (and before moses in the old testament) was thought up by rich people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so if an infection comes and they tell you its only safe under water are you gonna jump in and hold your breath?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after they learned how to count, sometime before their first paso's were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all scientific and religious disciplines arose from filthy rich people growing bored enough to start worrying about less-important things in their lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i wasnt taught not to question what i was taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because i was also taught its okay to sleep around. and i didnt do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'double negative hurts my eyes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and im not saying my parents taught me because i learn from all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do yourself a favor and pay no mind to these nitwits'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Best advice you've gotten all night, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm hoping they learn something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think science comes from rich people with time to kill....religion in my opinion came from ancient empires that needed to scare the crap out of the people they conquered hundreds of miles away'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just like ive learned that i love argue for the meer fact that its better than learning in school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You didn't sleep around?  I think the little screamer in the crib is proof against that. ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sleeping around strengthens the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'first off i dont have a crib.. its called a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar thanks god Starling can't have children.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'religion = old politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'omg she called its something other than a loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'second off i slept with one person. thats not sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why can't Starling have chldren?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you dont need to sleep around to get pregnant...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it said so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'because evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'she said she had her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'IT SAID IT GOT FIXED'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh I didn't know that was something to "celebrate" on a mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'it? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'the republicans wont allow it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'marriage is flawed and has no relevance to anything so long as homosexuals are not allowed to partake in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I got sterilized back in December.  No reason to risk any accidents and having to deal with getting an abortion, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im not meaning caps'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'and i can introduce her to someone who has gotten pregnant after having her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if thinks babies are 'it's' than it is too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'like i said evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh, that is a logical argument there, Gwynyfar.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could save on the op and not sleep with people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you said "ACCIDENTS"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling you know you cant get someone pregnant by masturbating alone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think of how money is named it can seem strange too, cents = scents, dollar's = doll ours, or dole ours grain supply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dole&sa=U&ei=DhguT7reNc_JiQKxrYDRCg&ved=0CC8QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNEquzTnH23CT3hMHr4FTOUaLP9qIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_supply_to_the_city_of_Rome , hundred = hun dread ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnic_Empire , thousand = thou sand , metaphor maybe, grain of sand in an hourglass, spiritual place called egypt in gospel - bucks = bronco or bull, riding them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it really is except for my syntax'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so and accident must mean you like to have sex with many people? this is a question honest not an attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you meant to have a baby not accident?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure it seems retarded, but smelling the bucks and dollar's with scents, maybe it's not all accidental'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I mean an accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar you do not agree with me, therefor you are now a shemale.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plural or not you still inferred it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's easier to have a happy ending if you're given a little bit of privacy with your little cup and a few videos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'whats a shemale?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and that didnt answer my question'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar finishes her steak sandwich....
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to the dictionary a shemale is a male with boobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares if I've slept around?  I sure as hell didn't shit any loaves, because I was smart enough to guard against that contingency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the lamesman terms anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'like bob from fight club?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you were getting on my case just now for sleep around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or evolution selected against you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre a hypocrit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong at all with sleeping around if you're smart about it.  Everything wrong with it if you aren't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a shemale is either a biologically male entity gets a boob job or a biologically female entity has her vagina sewn up and a penis attached.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who named it understood what they had in mind while naming it, should be alright to consider the same - lots is built on top of their schemes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'sleeping around can lead to spreading diseases...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the problem with being on earth Starling, is that you can only control your own destiny, and most times, people with a controlling others drama, have had no choice in their own lives for soem reason, and are usually off base'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except tying tubs still spreads diseases'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not the sleeping around that is the problem, dearie.  It's the sleeping around without protection, which is what you did, which is why you now have a loaf to parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus i have a younger cousin whos father got her tubs tied BEFORE she was born'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe just anti-life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn, that girl is lucky.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so they have a 30 year old a 27 year old and an 8 year old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'fathers dont get tubes tied..  probably why that one fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'hahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she had one lover. get your story straight Starling...you remind me more of a say no to crack sign than anything about responsible sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Starling, what if you want to have children some day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'no, men just get their tube cut :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they get there the tubes to there testicles CUT actually'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '... so yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'love doctors won't operate on the unborn anyways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Er, 30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31 in May :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they do too Hans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You might change your mind, then what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and an unborn baby will grab a doctors fingerwith full grip'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'haven't seen this channel this active in ages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not going to change your mind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'OMG ITS CHARLEY SHEEN RUUUUUUN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do you think you're going to change mine?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'starling is clever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'adopt?  plenty of kids out there who can use a family'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I do not think I will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so is satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doctors do not perform sex-related operations on children too young to have a sense of sexual identity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yes they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I can say is that I've considered the question of kids many times, over many years and age ranges.  The decision is always the same - HELL FUCKING NO.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unfortunately most of the kids that end up in adoption, were illegally taken from their femilies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'in fact they do all the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'in certain countries they dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, more people regret having kids than regret not having them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just google 'I hate being a mom' or 'I wish I never had kids', and enjoy the schadenfreude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you said Cali & Texas make over 4 billion off kidnapping children for resale. Can you please elaborate on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'How many people go to the internet to /praise/ though?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you google kidjacked, or Nancy Schaefer on Alex Jones'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She can't elaborate on shit, that extreme of an accusation requires a source, and she has not provided one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'most of the kids were illegally taken?  you got a reference for that? i dont buy it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I mean, google how many people hate being /anything/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar goes afk to tend to the dogs
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I have to go look at some nutjobs? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe in those states, but not BY the state'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't do it, it's a trap!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it's alot bigger than that Modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can you explain it on here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm guessing CPS took your neglected kids away and you're pissed off that you can no longer collect benefits on them?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the dead senator who did investigations, the dead children, the parents who lost everything for no reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but 'they're watching'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alterior meanings of the syllables of stock market too are interesting to me, stalk = soup base or plant part, mark et there's some extra terrestrial or alien (foreigner concordance), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khet_%28game%29 game's played around it following naming of egyptian figure khet syllable, mare = horse, mar = disfigure, mark it = teachers job on your quiz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic Stoicism (Greek N#OON9N:N9ON<OO) is a school of Hellenistic philosophy founded in Athens by Zeno of Citium in the early 3rd century BC. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'starling? your statements show that you are not even readin what anyone says, and you go off half cocked alot....why dont you try paying attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves Seneca :)
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do you really think the government could keep such a thing under wraps and ger away with it?  Please, we couldn't even keep the Russians out of the atomic bomb project.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'GUBment took my BAby!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Modi you've said too much "they're" going to kill you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Soviets, not the Russians :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea , probably'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't even keep the secret alien city on the outskirts of Colorado Springs a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha gubment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nor could they keep the 9/11 self destruction a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or the fake killing of Osama'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or any religion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they won't bite, Praetor :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Always worth a shot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you are a sad bunch of people when it comes down to it. which is probably why you have so much fiction to use as a reason to attack people with. really sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar plays the world's smallest violin.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos sobs in misery.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we laugh in the face of your bumbling amateurism.  Hah. Hah, hah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oo. music, gogo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'To be quite honest, we are all here on a saturday night playing a text game. We are all sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I had a ball last night :) no sense in overdoing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its sex night! go procreate!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could be at some meat market getting wasted :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i blame it on mother nature for melting all the beautiful snow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's only sad if you didn't choose it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im just killing time until ironclad gets home from work '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I blame it on your car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you cant affored it, get gubment money!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I want a new cellphone, think the government will give me a bailout or welfare for that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is there a bslap social?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she wouldn't have had to come up with new sources of drinking water if we didn't have so many kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'for real, do it! not kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, where does he 'work' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'why? u want to b slapped?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Drakoth slaps Gwynyfar.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I admit you guys are hilarious tonight :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'no I want you kids to wake up and see life on lifes terms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'did you know that in jersey welfare gives you a cellphone withh 200 minutes on it for free every month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait.. If I have a kid they will give me money and I can use that money for a new cell phone! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a program that will give poor people free cellphones, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, it is kinda obvious at this point why everyone comes on here to kill mobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister came back from jersey with one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'to spy on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if you want texting its a mere 15 dollars a month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Minutes? I want an iPhone 4S'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'its not just jersey shadowsdie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'But Praetor, more likely, if the child is blue eyed, it will be taken off your breast in the birthing room and you may or may not see it again'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its New Jersey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pennsylvannia has a cell phone program too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't know New Jersey was still around...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'many states have the program'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its part of the war on drugs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Off my breast? :S Do guys breastfeed where you live? Where exactly do you live, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Praetor  they give you a cheapy phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think Gwyn makes for a much better Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'hopefully it floats away with california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I breast feed all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually Anaristos i lived in NJ 8 years its WAY better than AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is AZ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'isn't that on Showtime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ana, do you make sure the kids get enough first?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait... I am blonde hair blue eyed and my mom makes like 250k a year.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'a useless desert?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'yeah the west coastish states are a mess'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Do you think I was kidnapped at birth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Hanslanda. It's all for me. MWAHAHA!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'been to jersey once. didn't like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'was she a single/low income parent?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'My daughter is blonde hair blue eyed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see how the war on drugs could be contributarily solved through my mind, and it doesn't involve use of excessive force and twists of money - it would probably cost less - but i think in processes and not ends, i see some likely ends that makes me concerned over problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'praetor, no but i do think you were dropped on your head one too many times after birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, my mom is wealthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the way my family thinks they probably bought me from Texas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see what I mean?  Gwyn's not as spammy as Druzil is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Really, Drakoth? Think the government will give me SSI for being disabled?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like nasa saying on national geographic channel that madagascar will be underwater within 150 years at current sea level risings due to most likely human pollution, but their forsaking of alternative outcomes missing proposals for solution that are more like my processes, they're based on things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the war on drugs is perpetuated because police departments receive money for busting small time users. the more busts, the more money they get'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well ill be dead in 150 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '+/- 75'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar starts drawiing the conclusion that some people are not capable of dealing with the truth 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody can contribute to them, problem solution = has bugs in it, so lets fix the bugs, there's two ways of looking at bugs, like some dictators look at any opposition and how some programmers look at logic errors'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar watched them make unknown idiots of themselves...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can deal with the truth if I get to define it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody's selling kids in Tex-ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one would prefer that problem remains in his program the other would consider it his program if he left it there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'BET'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you claim some crazy ass stuff and yet you point me to some people I have never heard of to explain it to me. Meaning you don't even understand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because who in their right mind would buy a damn Texan kid???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then that will be the only state that doesn't have it, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And WHO would buy a kid anyway?  Unless you want to cook it and eat it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet it's not some happy cow from California.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If you want a kid, why not just knock up some 17 year old? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know, but child  trafficking is big business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pigs are cheaper, and prob taste better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Texas, took SO MANY children illegally, the kids were becoming homeless into foster care, and being sold on auction blocks in Vegas, to high buck business men for icky reasons. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I actually do like babies.  Cooked up in a nice spicy vindaloo sauce with potatoes, they're quite tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they were also investigated and BUSTED hunting children among other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'funny praetor.you are so humorous'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people like to see errors revealed so they can fix them, others prefer that some errors are never seen, even though they see that they're mostly disasterous and repetition is inevitable of the same destruction, but that might be their program, they're just more my understanding of evil then -> this is dealing with the minds of the people who orchestrate humanicide and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if any actually exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm glad you appreciate me, Socker. I try very hard, I really do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Women who wanted to be child free but panicked when their clock expired are ripe  for child purchase :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There must be a big demand for kids in Asian restaurants or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and ended up forcing foster parents to take a minimum of 5 children, by law, no matter how many bedrooms their homes had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Even better a 13 more gullible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe there wouldn't be so many unwanted kids of all teenage girls had the option to be on birth control'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, furthermore, teenage girls often have no fuckin clue just how much work a baby actually is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'once again Starling you mossed the part, these are NOT unwanted children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's no link.  No entity mandates a minimum number of fosters.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't blame the hormones, Majic. That's what they are for :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there were a fair few teen mothers in the high school i would have gone to, and a fair number of them where the grandmother actually took over caring for the kid so the teen would get a chance to 'be a kid''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Drop me a link then. All federal and state laws are kept under .gov domains, I'd like to see a link to this law.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'finger krypteria'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sorry...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to understand them, then there's less mystery about the world's problems - doing that requires following whatever catches your interest i figure, and being self-critical over what leads you to believe what you do, and if you'r enot sure what you believe what is missing from that understanding?  maybe god's ways are beyond finding out, but what i call god i don't like to be my enemy, and friends don't mock friends soul's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you think the government will expose themselves at their own game huh Praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Ah so you have no proof?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never had a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I do have proof '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'everyone told me how different it would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'be a kind now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you had a chance to be a kid...you didn't take it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know the difference? i have a little baby girl. and i live with ironclad instead of people who only care about themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some kids get no chance....cps makes child porn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's a smart young woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so CPS Child Porn Services?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, but one is always responsible  for one's choices, don't pass the buck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the rest of you should travel and see some world...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did get to travel to spain'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so getting raped at age 4 is a choice Anaristos? wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"It's different when it's your own"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did NOT have a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you made the choice of being at the location where the rape took place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, you did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just fucked it away, and now you're a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, home in your bed and daddy comes in. you made a choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait, are you saying you got pregnant at 4?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'So if a girl is walking to school at 9am and she get's raped, it is her fault'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a piano would have fallen on your head it also would have been a consequence of your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'after your mom was handcuffed....you guys are nutz...maybe you should all sign up for SSI now and avoid the rush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and you dont need to know why because its none of your damn business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are confusing responsibility for one's acts with things like "fault"/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's my damn business if I'm the one footing the bill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have nothing to do with each other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for having that kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you have no idea what kind of childhood i had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'all you need to know is i didnt have one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you have no idea what kind of childhood I had.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling: we already figured out you're not footing the bill for her child, but you are totally footing the bill for crooked family court and children being raped is apparently ok with you...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. so protecting my older sister instead of letting her get raped and killed is having a childhood? im sorry i wasnt selfish. im sorry i care about other people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't the military frown on out of wedlock children?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone had a childhood -- it may not have conformed to a certain ideal, and it may even have been a completely shitty childhood, but everyone has had one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana i was talking to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Gwynyfar, because if I had my way, those trashy breeders would have all been sterilized.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these people are loony...and they think we are....nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you miss the point, again. Try to understand what being responsible for self actions mean.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the rapist is responsible for raping you, you are responsible for being at the scene of the rape, so is he, incidentally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont care if ive missed your point its a lame one. youre telling me to be selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was so selfish my sister would be on the street'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was selfish id know a lot of DEAD people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sorry im not being selfish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not lame, if you understand where your responsibility lies then you can deal with things like misplaced guilt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh i see what anaristos is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i understand that but i also understand that its better to have a heart than not to have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You never answered the question as to whether the military will provide benefits for your kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your daughter keeps your sister off the street?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i keep my sister off the street and alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister is 2 1/2 years older than me and if it wasnt for me she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if welfare hadnt taken care of my mother when i was an infant because my dad decided he didnt want responsibility of the person he married she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe she should have been responsible and not had kids either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are misusing the word "responsible".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so what all of you supposed ADULTS are emplying is that i should be a lowlife selfish CUNT that deserves the best and should leave EVERYONE including those who help me behind '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'responsibility is just the acceptance of one's choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, that's what you're inferring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'even if they got me where i am? be it a dr or a lawyer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the other stuff is just added meaning which doesn't really bear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or a mcdonalds lackey...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well what you emplied is that you should be set and have a good income to have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WELL SHE DID '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Please type define:responsible into google'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You SHOULD be set and have a good income before breeding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'funny thing is, in countries where a village full of people are allowed to do what they love and bring it to the table, (clothes, foods, gardens, carpentry) people are more relaxed, family values, self worth in each member of the tribe/village, everyone is healthy and happy and this selfish lying competitive conversation is moot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so im a lackey. at least i have a job. at least im paying for peaople to survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well my mother did but you just called her irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Why Starling, so your kids can have everything but the love and attention they need?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling - if everyone was *set* and had a good income before having kids, the human race would have died before the pyramids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said your mom was on welfare... ?  Did you not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in order for one to make a point, Quadrapus, one has to constraint meaning. The word "responsible" can have varied meanings, but as I use it it mens the acknowledgement of one's choices. I state that you cannot assign responsibility (i.e. ownership) of your choices to someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my father left her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because he took her to somewhere foreign'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Then don't say she has it wrong, make the definition you are using clear'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because hes JUST LIKE YOU a selfish jerk.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was clear from what I said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is nothing wrong with needing a hand, only something wrong with people who get angry and mean to people who do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am not being mean. just saying. our DNA picks a path to survive. if people having kids before thinking about it works, then that is the path the DNA takes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'our neightbors house burned to the ground, ignited the house next to it, me and my roomates did everything from makign sure they had what they needed to helping them find somewhere to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you want to get angry get angry at YOUR government that is using YOUR taxdollars to support ILLIGALS and rejecting their own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how it works, Ohm. Frankly, if thinking was involved in procreation we wouldn't be here today :) Or, rather, nature didn't take the chance that we would screw it up by thinking about it, so procreation is an instinct.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'this makes most of this irrelevent. the DNA survives and carries on. all we can do is whine about it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or for america to be america....I got more love and had more fun with mexicans than any american in northern california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'you can burn your parents in the fireplace'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'emote agrees with gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are entitled fo feel that way :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos understands. everyone on the planet is here because somewhere up the line, someone had sex before thinking about haveing kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't make it an universal law :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How do you know they did it without thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mine waited till they were ready, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because most people don't think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mantion the fact that I'd wager real money on the fact that not a single one of you would carry 20 buckets of rocks up the hill for your wine growing daddies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but ohm is meaning your parents, grandparents, etc. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What the fuck does that even mean, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'only 3 thinking on this channel today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the human race needs that idiotic instinct to survive. let's have sex becaue it feels good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is correct, Ohm. We can even postulate that the reason people think so much about whether to have kids or not is because the planet is becoming overcrowded. It is a fact that after major wars or catastrophes the birth rate goes up dramatically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know my parents were ready, but I'm damn-sure if you go back 3-4 generations you'll get at least one accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is english your second language Starling? If so I can translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, that idiotic instinct is going to overpopulate the planet and end us all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Something about pushing rocks up a hill for some wine growers?  And this has to do with what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if sex didn't feel good, we would not exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Your idiotic instinct might....mine is preserving forest land so my grnadkids have a better chance of breathing without disastrous results.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it won't, Starling. You are an example why that is not true. You have no drive to have children. But I bet you that if something terrible happened and you became a part of the few left on this planet you would be dropping them like rabbits :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except instead of preserving forest land, forest land is being destroyed to make all the paper trash that your kids are consuming.  Way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats why there is a such thing as cloth diapers right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  You'd lose that bet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So forest land is being destroyed to grow the cotton that''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'is used to make the cloth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling might go all terminator and take the rest of humanity out :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ana would win because NO one is on your side star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, but loaf shitting is not 'green', it's the exact opposite.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ohm i think youre right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok starling does indeed not speak english....next!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hand , han 'ed, han dynasty, leviathan, levi at han, levi (tax) and israelite priesthood, Kao-tsu is the posthumous title given to Liu Chi, the founder of the Former Han dynasty. Little is known of his early years (indeed, it is not certain whether his name was Liu Chi or Liu Pang). He was born a commoner and was one of only two commoners to become emperors of China. Part of his youth was spent as a peasant, but he managed to receive some education. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/han-kao-tsu#ixzz1lOM4xGDT -> i also find interesting, i'm not sure of nothing but the sounds words make often slip the mind, han also sounds similar to some egyptian naming of current mythology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'go shit an actual loaf of bread star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'holy wall of text batman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, don't forget the forest land that is being destroyed to strip-mine more coal to supply the increased electricity that your kids consume.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tell me how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am confident that you would become  pregnant. Though, it is possible that there is some structural reason why you don't have the will to procreate in which case that would be fine if you didn't. Would keep the gene pool healthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know why i looked it up, just came to mind so i investigated a little bit, seeing what i could piece together in simile, not meaning anything offensive by any of it, just curious about origins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus boggles at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'What the fuck are you on dude?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not on anything. I am drinking water.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Got it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I found the structural defect, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole point of being green is to benefit humanity in the long term. I see no point in it otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'that will be illegal soon enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'just google legally kidnapped. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you obviously don't think that subconsciously people don't remove themselves from the gene pool? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'get a clue, and we'll discuss things after you have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I wouldn't help rebuild the species.  I'd just enjoy having relatively few fuckwits around as I lived out the rest of my days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are all interconnected, I theorize that if we examined most of those than don't procreate we would find that had they, the pool would have suffered.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Debate without sources is like 2 kids flinging mud and shit at each other - everyone ends up dirty, and leave others to clean up the mess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Whoa, being literate is now arrogant? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm sure you're quite humble then. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you mean your own kind Starling...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie 'even the rain' from spain or mexico or bolivia or all 3 is interesting look at privatization of water resource, i watched it on superchannel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt type that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cisco and ebert had negative review of it from what i seen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it magically appeared?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, fuck cisco and ebert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i walked away for a sec and my bro wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'siskel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is 'my kind'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i thought all in all it was an ok movie, this is going on the assumption that nobody was harmed by the film crew and they had good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who knows, Starling? How about a hint?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'whatever you said about fuckwits.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am curious how you get paid to review movies, and paid quite well'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought siskel was dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Multiplaying, eh Shadows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, yeah, by that I meant teenage breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well i do bore easily of repeating things Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with teenage breeders, per se, Starling. I bet your grand^8mother was around 12 or 13 when she first got pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad there are more than one of you...then I won't feel the slightest bad about leaving you on your own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm damn sure mine wasn't. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I use correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization because I don't want to look like a fucking idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and yet you do, more than ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the profanity does that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too late.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd that Starling would care what we think of her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Teen parents are universally a bad thing. Whatever good may come of it, in ALL cases, EVERYwhere, EVERYtime, the net effect is a bad one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after all these years :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, she was in her 20's, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Vakieh on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we see teen parents as a bad thing. our DNA is seeing it as survival'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contrary to popular belief, a hundred years ago the age of first childbirth was not really anywhere near 12-13 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I would rather be called an idiot for my opinions than for shitting out a loaf I can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And then dumping the cost of it on the military, which will probably provide benefits for it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if it nothing was ever meant to be then nothing would ever happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's propaganda, Vakieh. The teens is the age the human race is geared to have children. Why do you think the body is flooded with so many hormones? Be design, that is the optimun time for mating since the human male peaks sexually at 18.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you're a loaf....I'm sorry your mom couldn't get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And who pays for those benefits?  Oh, right, I do, because I pay taxes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if nothing ever happens. nothing would ever be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't peaked yet...still getting better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not all mothers can eat their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Where did you learn that Shadowsdie, Bullshit Buddhism 101?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a teenager who is responsible enough to have kids, and I'll show you someone who is lying about their age.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'physiologically, late teens and through the 20s are best'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldn never eat my baby shes just too darn cute with her little fat cheeks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos is right. i thought otherwise until someone showed me the logic. look at how the DNA survies, or else it goes extinct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's smarter than you Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would never eat it either, it's probably pumped full of meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does responsibility have to do with anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no responsibility hormone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that may also explain your "condition"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am not talking hormones - if you want to live like an animal does, go to the zoo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that makes no sense. humans are animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my life may have been a little better at the zoo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sitting in a cage flinging poo at passersby?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are animals, don't you know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'having an education and a job gives her one up on your king of the hill game guys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have critical, rational thought, which for those of us who don't live on semantics means we are different to animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'id get meals 3 times a day. entertainment. i could stare at the weird humanoids that wander buy.. pee in public without getting arrested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'humans are brilliant animals,so they can survive from the nature and be the winner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY WAIT .. That almost sounds like jail and prison'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'most people never exercise critical or rational thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which is where you probably belong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least them you won't shit any more loaves for the state to provide for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I say those people are acting like animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah at least id be safe from your horrible unoffensive insults'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all that computing capacity is barely able to cope with the demands of the body chemistry, Vakieh. Body chemistry has its on "rationality".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '625000000 = the amount of money spent on 2,500 reforming sex offenders in california in a year, which is 14*2500 welfare recipients yearly wages, whether they don't want to work or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know, no internet in a jail cell'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is because humans are animals. we are no better or no worse than any other animal on the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ACTUALLY the zoo is actually gov't funded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen that on that documentary i mentioned yesterday, it's still curious to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'state anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you want to believe that, go ahead - I have genetically programmed desires I override with rational decision-making on a daily basis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm done responding to ignorant little boys who treat females like this, especially moms, of any age. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nods in agreement with Gwynyfar and Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Gwynyfar's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is all well and good. but that in no way makes us gods among other animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh noez, don't call us on our bullshit, moos are saints, haven't you heard?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone doesn't deserve respect automatically for being a mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these are the very guys who will end up beating their gf or wife. and blaming the women for getting hit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'humans are the least intelligent of the animals...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey moos, how about logging offline and parenting your kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speak for yourself!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its totally the poor dogs fault the human beat the living spit out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'actually these are probably the people who act this way because they are not able to get a woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know, The Most Important Job In The World?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY HOW ABOUT ITS ALMOST MIDNIGHT AND WE ARE GOOD PARENTS SO THEY ARE SLEEPING'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not a matter of belief, Vakieh. It's a matter of fact. You can say "hey, I am a teenager and I am not supposed to have kids, so  I won't", fine. But you better find a way to sublimate all the demands the hormones in your body are placing on you or you are going to become neurotic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Hey im a teenager and its not politically correct to have children. But by golly i did it anyways!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing "not supposed to" about having kids in your teens'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm a great mom and I don't need millions of dollars to do that....and I invented the insulin cooler and the blood sugar wrist monitor. what have you done?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, that's what the pill is for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey - I did my fair share of stupid shit as a teen - but I used a condom for the parts that required it, and guess what? No kids!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You invented the insulin cooler? Source or gtfo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good for you, you are a teen moo that the state will subsidize.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the pill doesn't handle the generated hormones, the pill fakes pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'glad you have no kids you 3, you're not cut out to be parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one of the experiments they showed was showing provocative material to the patient sex offender released to them from prison, while strapping a monitor around his penis and observing for signs of arousal while exposed to the material's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wife was still a teenager when she was my wife and the mother of my children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, so if you're on the pill, you can act on your urges without burdening society (or YOURSELF) with the unaffordable loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to determine whether what gets him off is more normal or not, apparently alot of the people there aren't involved in such training, opting to not try to reach the outside instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and my mother was 17 when she had me, the second of 4.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Good for me! IM SO PROUD OF ME IF I COULD CLONE MYSELF ID HUG ME!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, we should encourage teens to masturbate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well Gwynyfar, at least we agree that I'm not fit to be a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh, "condoms don't protect the heart!"  lol they gave us those stickers in middle school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As I said, the minute the little brat did something I didn't want it to, I'd flush it down the toilet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Somebody like that does not need to have kids :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, any teen that wants to masturbate me...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'also...condoms suck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tHE MINUTE IT grew YOU WOULD FLUSH THE POOR LIFE DOWN THE TOILET.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope, but they sure do protect the uterus, at least moreso than going bare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anaristos is on his way to the priesthood :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but i hate everyone on walfare taking my tax money so yea....everyone else can use condoms!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Shadowsdie person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'compare to have a baby,majic's suggestion is reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one man had himself castrated in attempts of appealing to the outside that he is ok to be released, it was a twisted documentary, curious system they got anyways - i don't think it should cost that much though, efficiency maybe isn't their goal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Like i said ONCE AGAIN FOR THE FIFTY ITH ISH TIME IN A ROW..... IRONCLAD WAS A CONDOM and PILL BABy ooops.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmm roast beef and gouda ... god i love welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your right hand doesn't get you diseased, doesn't get you pregnant, and doesn't break your heart.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil must be so pleased :-) His channel is getting its biggest traffic in YEARS! :-P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'state castration is cruel and unusual punishment, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'looks like she shoudlve gone the last stretch?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Gwynyfar's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'im surprised anyone uses the right hand anymore...what with the mouse being used by that hand'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my heart wasnt broken!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it can Majic, go touch a food counter in northern cal, 9 out of 10 you catch flesh-eating strep'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, we can stream internet porn now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, he was an oops, all right.  "Oh me, oh my, the birth control must have FAILED!  I can't explain it, I'm sure it had nothing to do with me skipping doses.  OOOOOOOOOOPS."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'didn't you know that one uses the "opposite" hand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im left handed...but i still use the right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'it was filled with the undying love of my daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '9 out of 10 eh? Wow, there must be no population left there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not my channel, what i talk about mostly has no other place is all, this channel's off by default so it's more ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you get preggers while your partner is wearing a condom and you are on the pill, I  would suggest an abortion or adoption, whichever way you swing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Quit using odds as if you understood what they meant :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'its a petrie dish'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ironclad besides the fact that shes a fucked up bitch and doesnt care'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'his mom i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'shes a selfish low life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm starting to think you guys are those guys who get turned on by pissing women off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I do know someone who got pregnant two years after the husband had a vasectomy. No birth control is 100% if you're sexually active. But ... it will greatly reduce the number of children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'EW'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'so you're a teen moo who also had the kid via oopsing the father, who probably didn't want to have a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I learned about those in cali too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im a teen moo? i coulda sworn i was human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BESIDES THE FACT that he did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It IS possible for a woman to get pregnant two years after her husband has a vasectomy.  And the reason doesn't necessarily have to do with the effectiveness of vasectomies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'YAY I'm a teen!!! woo that's like Magic!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am the opposite of turned on right now. I am sad for all the kids who have to deal with the same issues I did, in a society that FUCKING DIDN'T LEARN from the mistakes of the previous generations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he wants me to take him back but every time you hit enter it reminds me of why i wont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it was his kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, his kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the majority of the oopses after vasectomy are cuz the guy didn't bother with the follow-up tests, but occasionally it will repair itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this one was a self-repair, nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know this might come as a shock, but that is why people have sex, to have kids. Regardless of what they claim is the reason. Nature has the last laugh :) 'Yeah, let them think that they are just doing it for fun, but every year I catch a bunch of them anyway :)"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'our bodies can self-repair a vasectomy? our DNA is crafty...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, I don't have sex to have kids.  Speak for yourself. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, it's rare but happens. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and never EVER believe any man who says he's had a vasectomy....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually you do.. thats what youre programmed to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Define sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do agree with that, Gwynyfar, you need to ask for documentation on that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does dna have to say about anal? Eh? Eeeeeh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Sahdowsdie. Let's put it this way, you can't have kids if you don't have sex. If you have sex there is always the chance you will have kids. That's good enough to keep the human race going. While  it might not happen individually, it will certainly happen statistically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I don't believe documentation either...might work...might not/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do gay guys have sex to have kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a girl can get pregnant from anal. the sperm are might swimmers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wouldnt do it if it didnt feel good. you just decided you didnt want little chumposoraus like yourself running about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You make the mistake of thinking that all sex is capable of generating kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure ohm, that's where we get politicians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn right I decided that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'a hermaphrodite can get his wife pregnant AND menstruate :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'have to get them from somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, Abe. Let's not go that route. I don't want a serious debate :) It's saturday.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed anaristos so im just another statistic and im mighty fine with that dern ider right ther'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, even if birth control fails, which IT WON't if you take it properly, there is STILL a backup method to an accident.  It's called ABORTION.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'look up bonobo chimps.....sex (hetero and homo) as exchange...evolution has changed so that sex has multiple functions but nature wants us to do it to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes, a gay man can get a woman pregnant.  Just ask Edward II.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm quite serious, you made a statement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or Julius Casear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if the heart beats its alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nature doesn't want squat. Nature has no desire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the heart beats by the time you figure out youre pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know you did, but I don't have the inclination to get into it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you have no head and a beating heart, are you alive?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'd abort that shit anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SPEAK OF THE DEVIL THE BABYS DAD HAS JUST MESSAGED ME ON FACEBOOK'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow shadowside is ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha sure...coming from the person that actually thinks he overrides evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WAIT STARLING ARE YOU SURE YOURE NOT ACTUALLY HIM?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why the fuck would I message you on fakebook?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I am not ignorant.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah. starling would not do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But thats okay think what you wnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spamming caps sure makes you look that way :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy Starling, you know that. Is there an appropriate saying "don't wrap your pussy around crazy" for Starling's case?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Im not meaning to its just happening'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You mean you can't even figure out if you hit your caps lock key?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Vakieh, but the Anthropomorphism of nature helps discuss it without getting into technical details.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have a tendency to hit it when im done typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vakieh - don't stick your dick in crazy?  I don't know, won't be any brats sluicing forth from my nethers anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Giving totally incorrect implications to the accident of natural selection / mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you believe in faerie tales, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did say "statistically" didn't I? That's all that needs to be said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'has a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what would end this debate real quick? Double qps. Lets get some of that, imms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as to guy people, Abe (I will say this, reluctantly), they must be insane :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the only thing that would end this debate is the enlightenment and healing of a few of the debators :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree, I would say double qps would do it better,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't need to be enlightened, thank you very much :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Vakieh.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think evolution will do it but it might take 50 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, Gwynyfar, because I won't be sluicing any loaves, I will not have to heal ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evolution in 50 years...wow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'skipped a few bio classes, did we?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it peculiar that you use such derogatory terms, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you dont have to have pre-med / biology degrees (like me) to understand that joke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'your ideas and the way you rant about things that have already been proven otherwise.....makes me think you were emotionally cut off at an early age'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'evolution ... is not something that applies to an individual human :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe lol you dont even understand what i was talking about but please continue'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe Starling has a great hatred for the human race. seeing as how humans act, i cannot blame her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'try saying "I have never been pregnant" instead "I haven't dropped a loaf".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do hate people in general, yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Star Fish.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Now why would I say that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'when some of the debaters are dead in 50 years without kids that would be an evolutionary choice.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, are we glag you have withdrawn from the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe she has been pregnant, but had someone remove her loaf before she dropped it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i nodded at a star fish evidently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thanks Starling heartily.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i guess im stupid huh abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that would be a subject to broach....wow Vakieh...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting theory, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite, ucla...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But it's so much more amusing to say I've never sluiced a fucktrophy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders' reactions are priceless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they just rip a new one for everyone...they lose their power after a while'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Starling, just go donate your eggs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the point is that your choice of words reflects your position on the subject. I will take a chance and say that you have a negative attitude about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, shitting out a kid rips you a new one or two ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Just to piss off Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I prefer to make love to corpses I find here on mudd....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Quad.  I find that kind of thing to be morally repugnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A few mates and I donated sperm once. I may have some genetic spawn running around somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are 1% children better than 99% children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not better off I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, no. Someone stop her!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. they are just richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think in vitro fertilization and that bullshit should be illegal, also'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '1% children have food clothing video games......99% children have food clothing video games and love....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you are unable to get knocked up, I think your biology is trying to tell you something!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I figure people with the wherewithall to try and get preggers THAT hard deserve kids. As opposed to "he said he like my dress" one-night-poppers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh thats what i wanna do!  I feel my DNA is too special to let waste...i need to donate sperm but no banks here in NC...you must live out west'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I like the package with the love in it myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, that was close, Starling. I could imagine the clinic going code red and invaded by the CDC after your deposit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But no, they won't adopt a kid.  They want a holy goldenloaf of their own.  And breeders say I'm selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling what about for couples with unbalanced translocations that have a 50%+ chance of having mentally handicapped children if they dont do ivf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'unbalanced translocations :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'wow :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't be better off with her eggs...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I sure wonder why you're so convinced that only the children of the poor can experience love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  They should ADOPT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '<<3 you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My cousin has 3 zero-function autistic kids. Decided 2 just wasn't enough. Fuck that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'do we have a real geneticist here? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you can't have kids naturally, if your kid is likely to be a tard, just adopt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think Starling's parents must have been very patient people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'permit me to introduce myself, I am Allele Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I have pre-med and medical techonology BS degrees :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'I just find it funny that the single unmarried guy has so many righteous opinions on how people should have or not have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'After the 3rd they FINALLY went and had a test - turns out the odds were 99% any child would be autistic. Now the three kids have to grow up unable to do anything productive, loveless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unbalanced translocation?  I'm picturing somebody's womb casting translocate and ending up somewhere else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'bitter anyone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i meant balanced.  the unbalanced are basically hopeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why loveless?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'PALMalaHANDerson loves you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar is agreeing with that Roninleader person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ohm, actually, I think part of my childfree attitude today is my parents constantly threatening me with "You wait till you have some of your own, I hope they act as bad as you do."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seen an autistic kid? Not some "my child has autism, wah" bullshit autism, but Actual, full-disorder autism? They don't know the meaning of the word emotion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that would also do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in that case we are glad you are child free, Starling. I don't think the world at large could have coped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. When I worked in the nursing home, there were a few autistic adults who were occasionally placed for a weekend on respite care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'that doesnt mean they are loveless. im sure they are loved. they just dont have the means to understand it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if we handled george w. bush, we can handle starling's *loaves*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"growing up loveless" would denote lack on the part of the parents, not lack of understanding by the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you know, Ohm, that's not true. Parents say that to their children all the time. They certainly said to me, I just laughed them off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my kids would be sociopaths due to being flushed down the shitter for bad behavior and/or being locked in a cage 24/7'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hey remember that game Aardwolf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'imo, love is 2-way, it means nothing whatsoever unless it is returned.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly use a weird dictionary, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but I loved having a 3-way'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure your mom loved having a 3-way too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I love this car. I love this fish. My daughter and I love each other. See the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'would that be 2 hands and either foot, Dirkdiggler?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'shhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for some people, there is no difference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'loving things and using people makes the people who do it unwelcome in my circles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are assuming that because your daughter loves you, loves is two-way. When in fact you just showed that it is one-way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if a rich couple has millions of dollars to hire scientists to perform ivf / pgd, why would you force them to adopt instead?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '2-ways are boring....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok im done *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1-ways are standard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am saying I don't think the first 2 are love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I don't want their defective frankenloaf growing up to contaminate society with its fucked up genes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i will always love my kids, even if it wasnt returned....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, if they have millions of dollars, why don't they do some public works to improve life for all the kids already here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'It took me a minute to find, but this is what I think of when I see allele Anaristos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjxviggLvo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'love is as simplex connection. What you and your daughter have is not a duplex connection, it is  two simplex connections.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people love material possessions more than human beings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ivf / pgd only implants genetically healthy embryos though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you're more likely to get fucked-up through adoption.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ROFL can we rewind to the comment "defective frankenloaf"???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling is case in point of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'kojiro, that's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8aprCNnecU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks at Quadrapus and goes "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'except for occasional mosaciism, it's 99% true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'In C elegans, Egl mutants aren't able to give birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the difference between like and love :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what does it matter if the kid is adopted?  Parental love is unconditional, isn't it?  That's what the lying breeders keep saying?  So if it's unconditional, what does it matter if you didn't sluice the kid yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So the young eat the mother from the inside'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can screen for some stuff, but we don't know the definition of only genetically-healthy DNA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and that's how they escape :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Guys, Double's in effect.  Time to stop chattin' and start killin''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because humans don't love all children equally starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If parental love is so unconditional, wouldn't those millionaires love the adopted kid just as much as one they sluiced themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'some do starling, other people aren't capable of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'is there something wrong with wanting a kid you made?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they aren't capable of that, maybe they shouldn't have kids at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'humans are selfish you know this'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is there something wrong with adopting one?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'no.  I plan to adopt a few times'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there's soemthing wrong with forcing adoption on those who don't want to adopt when they have other options'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't continue your bloodline...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does your kid need to be your own DNA self-replicant?  It's not enough to just raise it and whatnot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not all humans are, but those who are will ruin anything those who aren't have going for them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ronin, you said the other day you plan on making your wife shit at least 12 loaves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's instinctual, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '12 kids? my word...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i would kill 2 strange children to save my child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but why would that matter abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is also instinctual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuance of a bloodline is basically the drive to continue a successful result.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's what we're wired for, ucla...I happen to be the only son of an only son...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Drunk'ing Abel, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'abelinc is obv an only lchild'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the best DNA survies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope kojiro, just the only male'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but how can it survive if  you don't continue your bloodline>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and father had 5 sisters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only child that matters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing I wasn't jewish :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i thought your prior statement argued that evolution could not act in such a short period of time? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'continuing bloodline isn't evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, had a gq to lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha yes it is...all breeding is evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'haha, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahah yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The OTHER issue I have with IVF is that people spend tens of thousands of dollars on that shit.  INSTEAD of adopting a kid, and spending the money on the kid instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why can't people spend money on whatever they want?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'evolution implies a result different from the species before it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all breeding and passing of genese is a small scale step in evoltion'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I guess we go full circle to your knowledge of the subject...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuing the bloodline is actually anti-evolutionary because it lowers the chance of mutations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, they even go into debt and sell off everything they have.  Then by the time the loaf is sluiced, they are penniless and unable to give it anything but shit for life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No, it doesnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Thats retarded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without mutation, there is no evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you clearly know nothing about genetics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it doesnt its the processing of passing and selecting genes,,,,no change is required '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For the correct definitions of evolution, go to a library.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'selective breeding is not evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I want to debate if there is actually a debate going on here........'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know plenty about evolution i debate this all the time.....evolution is also selection against genese and that happens with every birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, they actually form insurance cooperatives with other ivf couples so nobody goes into serious debt :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ucla, the selection doesnt happen with each birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the randomization of the genes does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, "I debate this all the time"...now there's a qualifier...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money would still be better spent on a kid already here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the selecting event is something separate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So not only do they birth a defective frankenloaf, they deprive that other kid of a good life too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's selfish as all hell, but breeders call CHILDFREE selfish?  Fuck that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are ruining my next trip to the bakery, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ima log off and when i come back you guys better have gotten all this debating out of ya system....cuz ima come back poopin and fartin all over the channels *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i cant believe this conversation is still going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people have seriosu beliefs, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are still trying to get Starling to bake some bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think there can be evolution without mutation, n'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, isn't it nighttime at your orphanage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Modi in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'er nm, i would rather listen to farts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Not Guilty Kojiro's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some peoples beliefs are never tested by them, and they never know until they get in the thick of it, what the truth of their belief system is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my orphanage kicked me out for trying to kill the handlers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Charles Darwin was the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Evolution by natural selection is a process that is inferred from three facts about populations: 1) more offspring are produced than can possibly survive, 2) traits vary among individuals, leading to differential rates of survival and reproduction, and 3) trait differences are heritable.[3] Thus, when members of a population die they are replaced by the progeny of parents that were better adapted to survive and reproduce in the environment in which natural selection took place. This process creates and preserves traits that are seemingly fitted for the functional roles they perform.[4] Natural selection is the only known cause of adaptation, but not the only known cause of evolution. Other, nonadaptive causes of evolution include mutation and genetic drift.[5]'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'who is going to read that paragraph and translate for me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '(says the biology major)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and shit the bread out'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You haven't said anything that changes what I said :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'evolution as a theory is a process of selecting genes for survival its happening with every birth and death'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm explaining to you what Darwin really meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Go to bed, Shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh wow, just turned debate on and I see it's still going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You need to be rested to take care of Loafette tomorrow :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if us rich well to do 1%'ers adopt, it just encourages the breeders to shit more loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Evolution has 2 parts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh thanks....ill still with darwin himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'okay dad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea im leaving now...ttyl *fart *poop *burp *wink *oops .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'First is randomization of genes. Second is a selection against those genes where the "fittest" organisms survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'back, had a gq to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'hey look ironclad is on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Randomization happens during fertilization/etc, selection happens later'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so what's going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing, just saying your girlie here is irresponsible for having a kid at 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that that successful bloodlines mute often?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well it all started when starling decided im a piece of shit mother because im 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does your military or whatever provide benefits to take care of her kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'starling how old are you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if I had a handful of kids, and only some of them survived because something in the environment took them out, then you can cry natural selection for choosing the survivors...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then what was it that I said that was different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Unless there is selection for higher levels of randomization, so the proofreading pathways or DSB repair pathways are fucked up or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ever serve the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if we adopt isntead of spawn, doesn't it just encourage the IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDERS?????'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Obviously over 18, are you one of those skeezy mid-20's guys who sleeps with teenie boppers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the entire process is evolution ....its not just a single moment in time where a specific act of progrees is recorded in genese'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  Not really, because they are never aware of the adoptions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm 29 2 time Iraqi vet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the poor raise their kids better than the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good lord fuck, you ARE one of those skeezy guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said that successful bloodlines were anti-evolutionary. They are because there is less of a chance for mutation. How is that different? It's the same thing looked at from a different angle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that saved a platoon and was put up for the medal of honor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nope not mid 20s'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29, and a kid with a 17yo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Why is there a less chance of mutation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There isn't, that's just wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ive known him my whole life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because they are successful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here's some advice.  Dump this girl and find a nice childfree woman to settle down with who won't use you as a wallet to pay for her illegitimate kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They are successful because they fit the environment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'that has NOTHING to do with the rate of mutation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Rate of mutation is easily measurable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that doesn't help, shadows...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and all the data says you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i actually went out and bought some bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe not for you but it helps me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what have you accomplished in life starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'remind me to never allow my daughter to meet any of you :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you've known him your whole life, then he was an adult watching you as a small child...that makes it quite skeevy :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'she is a T9, 'NUFF SAID OWNEDUFGT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I see you as a 30 year old mama boy gay fan club owner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its weird but if i was like 30 and he was 40 it would be fine would it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'woman. starling is a female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Ironclad, what have YOU achieved in life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ohm, so starling says'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'besides save hundreds of lives?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, ok. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I'm a geologist.  I work on drilling rigs that produce the resources that make your fancy military vehicles run.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'In what capacity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ahs anybody else retired around 28 years old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'massage therapy degree cooking degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me put it another way, if the bloodline mutates it becomes  a different bloodline. That is, the current offspring (which mutated) cannot trace back to the parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nothing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no starling is an it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats not a big deal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry to jump in, but no iraqi soldiers saved any lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izpokol: 'Where you working at now Starling? My cousin is a geologist too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with that in mind, as long as the bloodline continues there is no mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And I highly doubt the medal of honor story, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if Starling refers to children as loaves of bread....Starling becomes an it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually he has two '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one fossil fuel is not used in military vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my spouse corran died in iraq :('
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'RIP'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'they use jet fuel fail 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want me to take a picture and send it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about the Iraqi war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fossil fuels are not used in military vehicles? What do they use?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you soldiers are just tools of the corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if you are in the military, thank you for serving this great country.  I just don't want to see one of our warriors exploited by somebody with an illegit kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar wraps Sneak in duct tape, humming to herself.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'fail 2 is that the production of oil is taken threw about 15 process before its useable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'modern day slaves fighting rich men's wars'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle faints.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling said something nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell you what star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jet fuel is manufactured from petroleum, smart guy.  Fail 1 yourself :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I missed it...can you paste it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, but that oil has to be drilled out of the ground before it's produced.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If you join the military thinking you're going to 'do good' any more, you're lying to yourself or terribly ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'shadow is ten times more mature then any girl in her 30-80'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Indeed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm talking abouit the Iraqi comment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'idgaf about your maturity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'also brighter smarter and knows how to do a lot more things intellegence and thinking wise then I would presume you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was agreeing about the slaves and the rich ppls war'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'hold on, another gq to throw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in your simple malcious hateful life could produce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, I see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'glad you agree with me then :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you spend your time playing games calling people breeders but you have no clue what that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol really or are you just saying that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any american soldier who thinks they're liberating people and saving lives in wars are brainwashhed :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, at least we're not attacking personally anymore. That's good to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how can you produce one fact into childhood or giving birth when you haven't'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never mentioned who he saved now did he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyranthin: 'just curious, do you guys actually believe the crap you're spewing or are you just trolling iron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone who says anything is brainwashed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's like say you have a penis when your female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, without alluding to the kennel club, breeding means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'again with the assuming what did i say about that earlier?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'makes an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, females have penis analogs, Ironclad :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just ask chaz bono'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wanna smack starling in the face with a dead iraqis penis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he'd like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fossil fuel isn't used in military vehicles?  Do you think it's all biofuel?  It's made from petroleum.  Even if it's synthetic fuel, the feedstock is petrochemical based, and for that you need to drill.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'how does someone even come up with that kind of thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'my point is simple a woman of any age is given the right to have children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is scary'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because you gave your right away to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, who said otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i got it from some old guys war stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'doesn't give you the right to hate on others that choose to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'people come up with that kind of thought after countless thoughtless comments have been made by the person they end up saying it to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just because you can doesn't mean you should...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'are you like... 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how does one give away the right to breed unless one becomes sterile by choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As for her being smarter, she sure wasn't smart enough to use the pill or get an abortion and prevent shitting an unaffordable loaf onto society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, her poor spelling and grammar argue against what you say.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'damn that loaf thing again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm getting hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'lol I'm not on wellfare I assure you that....lol and umm kids are amazing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I told you, Anne Coulter aparently plays muds :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont have poor spelling its called auto correct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'if you have one .....oh wait you can't muahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since I am the one paying the taxes and picking up the tab for her bad decisions, I think that gives me a right to bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'agrees with ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'What kind of MUD client has auto correct?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't ruin my screen by typing that name, Ixle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, yes you do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kids are amazingly shitty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'autocorrect would form other real words...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'umm dumalbass she works'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree with Starling on her previous point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and goes to school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'simply misspelling things is never autocorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and takes care of her kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Ohm ive been hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she makes her brother take care of it.  She said so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wtf you do eat cheetos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But a pigeon pie doesnt seem quite appetizing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, what I can't play? This looks like fun...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless you are a cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he baby sits you have the brain of a pigeon....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I already said I Love my welfare, steak and gouda sandwiches for dinner :) organic coffee :) ty for less than one penny per tax dollar ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm thinking, raisin bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you can ply ixle but nobody wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we know on whose side Ironclad is :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Winning went out the window with the first "loaf" and "welfore whore"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well maybe some apple fritter bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Since then it's just been Aardwolf jersey shore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for the kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm on shadows side I have known her for 14 years...you find me a smarter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I can throw a stone and find a smarter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm actually really curious where the appeal in having children lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'since she was 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or some one that makes better decisions then her and I will prove you wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's well balanced and way smarter than the people who keep biting her in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you are not making a point, Ironclad. You are showing your alliance simply by insulting those who disagree with her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, enjoy that shit, Gwynyfarm, you welfare moo, I sure love paying for you to eat expensive food and argue online.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's the point '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no one write'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ooo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, let's take me for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, I hear Newt Gingrich has a spot on his moon colony where you won't have to pay any taxes for these welfore moo's.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They need geologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30 years old, never knocked up, smart enough to take precautions and avoid shitting a loaf I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she has done her school....been threw multiple homes because of her father inability to lead.. she has continued to do her schooling and finish top'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Decided I really hated kids, was smart enough to get sterilized so I don't ruin my life having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim silences everyone on the internet
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Can spell properly, use good English, good punctuation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but your use of euphemisms tends to indicate you are not really comfortable  with your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Starling 3, Shadowsdie 0.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she isn't on welfare she works full time and she does every decision not based on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and in the end what you think was your free will might have just been natural selection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What school, high school?  I did high school too.  Then college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '4-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'every decision she has made has been for her daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im pretty sure the so called loaf came out of my crotch and not my asshole'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she told them that, they are off base, they have been all day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and that is what makes a real parent'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Am not on welfare, lived off savings when I didn't have a job, looked for a job, got a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '5-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This is getting fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I <3 you guys btw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'd be very depressed if everything in my life revolved around someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Sneak.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you make me smile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'does sound like charlie sheen.. winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'standing at corners is not a job, Starling, it's an adventure :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'is there an ignore button'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '5-0 is winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at ohm, sneak, ucla, and everyone else who is getting a kick out of this.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when you havent had anyone to live for it makes life worht living'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'well, she is not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol. What kind of flawed argument is that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"When you haven't had anyone to live for"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but if youve had something to live for you wouldnt quite understand the reason for wanting a child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You live for yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is Ironclad type ignore personame'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think I've proven that I'm smarter than your little babe here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, so you are saying that we should admire you and that women all over should emulate you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I guarentee when she is 30 she will own a house and have a good job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I have myself to live for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why? who decides if im worth it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Who cares about buying houses, what you want is to buy islands.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Born free and life is worth living...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And really.  A 29-year-old fucking a 17-year old?  Gross man, that's creepy as hell.  Couldn't get a woman your own age?  I mean hell, aren't there a bunch of broads in the service you could bang?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '30 year olds who think they're Charlie Sheen #winning by keeping their own fictional score...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'since your on here everyday I would presume that you.don't work for an oil rig because my cousin does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny thought when i challenged you on issues all we heard were crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'since when do people decide that anyone different than they are must be wrong....if we were all the same we'd be extinct already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: '"how can you expect to love another before you can love yourself?" :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, 6-0, didn't fuck anybody 12 years older than me when I was in high school.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i want an whole country screw islands!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, you are some reactionary dudette.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he works 12-14 hours a day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That happened to me too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"a" whole country, not "an" whole country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe you add to the list......picks on people he thinks are inferior to him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wait wait every stop'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i want to be rich enough to buy prime real estate, like, Mars. the whole planet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I want stsrling to try and compare to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I'll sell you the moon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not a rig hand, smart guy.  I'm a geologist.  I catch samples and enter them onto my log on the computer, then email them out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in her righteousness'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'DARN IT when did we start keeping score?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'simple game'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'compare to you. harharhar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like data entry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'should have known, A rock major.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aren't you supposedly just a meathead soldier.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, the first bible quote of the thread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you ask a question I answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then I wil do the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'didnt notice i put an'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'anyone can be a soldier, not everyone can be a geologist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Shadowsdie, I know how you can win, type 0-10...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wanna see who wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right now, I have time to troll a bit, the rig is running casing and cement, so all I have to do is monitor gas and alert the company man if anything unusual happens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'actually, Tom Cruise owns real estate on the moon. Scientologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thanks ixle atleast someone is honestly keeping score'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm so glad people like starling are here to prevent another Deepwater Horizon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay let's go'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can others play too?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not  everyone can be a soldier. I know someone who failed the Armed Forces examination.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did you finish college star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle packs his bags
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'scientologists have a moon base!!!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I want to play.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who wants a realestate on the moon? everyone stares at the moon'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, I finished college.  Twice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Tom Cruise spent millions, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a dark side. Ask Led Zepplin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should just rotate the moon, it always looks the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only half of it....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for real estate he cannot set foot on.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know several geologists......partied a lot not a competitive major :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm good point shadow, although the dark side is always hidden :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay o have massgae therapy cooking and ent qual from college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you cant finish something twice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol massage therapy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rock majors are well, rocky :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'what kind of crappy degree is that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you just finished two different  things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that happened to be in the same location'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle grabs some of elyce's popcorn and gets smacked in the hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you buy it off the Internet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hoo boy, massage therapy.  Cooking, well, that might get you somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you do your cooking at the CIA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'phoenix university'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'else, it's rather useless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, both of those things are called 'college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'more people live in their darkness...mainly because they're afraid of their own light'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i couldnt dig geology, prof was a tool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'dig geology, badumtsh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'But seriously folks, Starling is monitoring a drilling rig. Are we not concerned?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'funny how people bring out massage therapy and say "I've done college"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so star when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'nice one gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it is usually taught at a college of some sort, community college etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that explains his toxocity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how does it compare to a proper........ degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Ursula Le Guin will tell you, light is the left hand of darkness :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an awesome job...put rocks in tumbler...computer spits out numbers....enter them on spreadsheet and email...definitely supports your superiority theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'really do you know every muscle group in the body.. know every pressure point in the body'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't need to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When I was good and ready, and able to be smart about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'At this point Majic i just dont really care im talking out my butt since almost two hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I pay people to do it for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the flow of the veins every major organ location lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I wonder if we checked the logs on the deepwater horizon if there was a connection to Aardwolf at the time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I get it done once every fortnight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have been **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, yes, you have been'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'age star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What are you going to do, go kill someone Ironclad?  Are you unstable?  Are you shell shocked?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'PTSD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it's not called shell shock anymore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no hes Starling shocked'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you know calling a soldier that actually served the country so fat women like you could type is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I've come to the conclusion  that those who have argued the hardest with no comprehension are diagnosably illiterate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you didnt serve the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you served private corporations and selfish interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there's a difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Quality debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did it allow you to sit at home sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'it didn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and I have most of the culprits on ignore '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'rofl havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if our military cleaned out Congress, that would be really serving the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'waffle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or say Vietnam?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Ohm and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just to step in on that note iron, i have served as well, and we havent fought a war backed by the american people in a very long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I love my vets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, what's sad is that somebody supposedly smart, i.e. you, is being taken for a fool by this irresponsible teen who is using you to finance her brat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm fairly certain there are civilians around the world sitting at home whose countries didn't have to invade Iraq'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Exactly, Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'who here did not have sex until they were married?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Roninleader!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect,. If the US is going to fight wars like Viet Nam and Iraq, you can't seriously expect to be backed by the people, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no your proving your just a filthy fat peddler'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My country didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmmm smoked gouda :P***'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least we pay our taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which pays your wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'those were banker's wars, but that is a whole other topic lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nice to know I got shot every day for a filthy nonbreeder could mouth off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Soft and Silke: 'I support the military :) Love you guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many times were you shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What did you expect ironclad? Why do you think everyone hates us?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't even...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wow, holy shit, you got shot every day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Starling!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't hear about the purple hearts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The last justified war that the US fought was WWII.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how many purple hearts do you have again? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That must have been very painful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'let's see in one day 49 times 5 close to my neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any purple hearts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '50 cent aint got nothin on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no? then moot point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Majic, he claims he was nominated for the medal of honor!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Was there an airsoft fight in the barracks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Haoks roflmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm laughs out loud at Havoks.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think i just discovered who the troll is..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls on the floor laughing at The Lady Elyce's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'khaim: that needs to be plural'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're confusing 'shot at' with 'shot', there is a very real difference :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the point is I belive shadow has the right to live her life and I assure you on any topic I'm brighter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'honestly starling its really no more ridiculous then you claiming your superiority'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''brighter then you' ... rofl :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think you guys are correct in this. Whether we support the war or not that doesn't change what the personnel there went through.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so to question my intellegence or hers is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Brighter THAN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"intellegence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, she sure has the 'right' to shit loaf after loaf that *I* get to pay out for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats is a very good point Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Forgive me if I call bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Logic ucla, what are you doing here with that? She's not going to answer you if you use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'loaf. lololol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'child human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, if you're going to take it into personal attacks and start calling names, you really ought to avoid insults like that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'sluice a fuckturd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I've been shot at and I'm about as far as you can get from a member of the military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you are just an overgrown moldy loaf if i do say so myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys are ruining my next trip to the bakery,  leave the freakin loaves alone!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm curious how old you two were when you first met. was it love at first sight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but she pays more taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Ohm on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ich demos das star ist ein grossen Frau MIT ein Klein loft und diese Frau hast katzen und Leon schwarze'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet he was her babysitter.  I mean, fucking hell, 12 years age difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '3 and 15'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i cant help myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'English only, on public channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'english only on public channels is a rule :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'English only, please.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one calling starlight a immature is a personal attack on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet i pay more taxes ....so you all should bow down to my superiority!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Starlight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'why can't speak multiple languages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or maybe just an observation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'He probably imprinted on her, it wasn't his fault.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'AN IMMATURE **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'ok I I've been away for an hour or so, is this still going'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how about I say it in French'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bet i play less taxes than you ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because aardwolf is an english-speaking mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ironclad, wes from Amurricah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Spanish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'reSPect My AuthoriTAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'quit using Google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? inquiring minds want to know'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'just use your halffucked english'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet you do.....according to starling i am now your master'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'your intellegence is actually sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of you is unlucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'uh hes not? he was stationed in germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least I know how to spell intelligence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Perhaps to boost some slow pclass, like psi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'W00t! Take me for a walk!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, ironclad has mastered google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'intelligence has feelings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'please stop talking trash about her period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'where it was REQUIRED to learn their language?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why should I/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I speak German I'm outside talking '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her period was so lazy, it took 9 months off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never said anything about her period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because it makes you that much less of a person.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because its not your place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Big deal you speak german.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think a person with offspring will die feeling more fullfilled than one without, regardless of who paid the bills, so when you're on your deathbed , Starling, I think more people will care then what you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha abe actually 11'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She's the one shitting out illegitimate brats on my time and dime, I think I have the right to object to that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell me star what gives you the right to judge'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, you can't really police what others can do. you COULD just ... you know, shut off the channel, add others to ignore, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the more offspring the more people wishing you dead so they can get the inheritance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad some of you never leave your laptops....save us from having so much fertilizer in the streets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, our rooms need fertilizers too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'her kids probably smarter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah Modi, ask some nursing home staff how fulfilled all the old farts are when their kids never come to visit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can they spell intelligence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and I bet my cat is to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana they cant inherit if they are not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If Harold Godwinson had had the good sense to defeat William of Normandy in the Battle of Hastings, English would be a much simpler language to learn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if she could talk im sure she could'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's no news to me, Ironclad. The world is smarter than I. Especially in winter since my IQ has somehow connected to the ambient temperature.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you have a will now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wills can be contested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what exactly are you bequeathing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'hey star tell you what I'm gonna ip sniff you and find your location and the location of your worm and se how lonely you really are'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not the one with a little loaf o' shit in the crib or whatever the hell kind of carrier breeders put them in.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Actually I agree Starling. Thank you for NOT reproducing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what do you do a about constipation, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce looks around afraid for her life.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Very responsible of you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No i was simply saying that in order for the child to inherit they either dont have a written signed will or the child is not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey now, no real life threats :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what you remind me of is a woman that is super ugly got rejected and harps on others for what they can't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad, you know fuck all about computers, you've shown that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is true, Starling. The world might be a better place without your offspring...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'kids are idiots, i agree, im one of them, it aint about that, but about knowing you gave back to the universe as you were given'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Again i told you not a crib a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oddly enough, Druzil is no where around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'certainly a viable avenue of exploration.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wow, the bingoes sure are flying tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle enthusiastically high-fives Undertaken Anaristos!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so your a over fed loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1 for no starling loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'haha loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'NATURAL SELECTION'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'starling you have been attacked for like 3 and a half hours and youre still going on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just a hypothesis, Ixle :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont have kids, but i would like to, if i could get my shit together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Let's see, we've heard:  "You won't feel fulfilled", "you're selfish", "you're too ugly, nobody would fuck you", any others?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol Ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'man did your mom forget to wipe your eyes off so you can see?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'must be one of them dern teenie boopers who want to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think those are enough reasons, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wonders where the debate went...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'are you a church goer star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think Ironclad is a kid trolling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'this was never a debate it started and stayed a personal attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'church goer? starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he has college!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Sneak, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Correction IT has college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twice, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Wow it's an IT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'So. a Bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadow, that was about ironclad...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad, seriously.  You need to listen to my advice.  Quit fucking 17-year-olds, it's creepy and kind of sad.  Dump that broad and find somebody your own age, and go HAVE FUN and do something worthwhile.  Don't get tied down with somebody else's brats.  Lastly, learn to spell properly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No this was established earlier'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I am not a follower of Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wuts that? i do IT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, you're calling your guy an IT now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow......I'm just gonna write you in as a soon to be insane lady with cats'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that was hilarious :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'pot calling the kettle huh take a look at RESPONSIBLE .....(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad is probably her brother or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eww, that explains a lot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'abe what does that have anything to do with what i said?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think havoks wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well if you think about it my dad dated his mom so at one time yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I would love to have a couple of cats.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you called ironclad an it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow see your even kiddy in you actions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Indeed. Havoks 5, everyone else 0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'con all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh wow. Now we're going into incestual territory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This turns for the better!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i was referring to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shi...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wants a kitty.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'again....anyone who see's children as loaves of bread, would only be responsible if they preented themselves from having any :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's more of a family bush than a family tree, all twisted around itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sliced bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm done not gonna listen to a confused old hag cry about other peoples rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'abe said 'he has college' referring to ironclad and you said 'correction IT has college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Which is the most circular logical way of proving Starling is responisble gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you want people to be controlled.move to Iraq or stfu '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you should get a job though, welfare is for pussies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the USA has more control over its citizens than Iraq does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, you two should probably get to bed so you can fuck without protection and try to sluice yet another brat you can't afford.  Get going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so.... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i coulda sworn they were refering to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'On the other hand, Shadow and ironclad are reasonable, intelligent people who happen to be parents and love each other :) and that my friends, is a beautiful thing no matter what personal choices the rest of us make for ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean intellegent :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US probably has more control over it's citizens than any other country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not that it matters because  like i told majic. just talkin out my butt sint about 2 almost 3 hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You forget, Ironclad is also purportedly a Medal of Honor nominee.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe the rest of you aren't as petrified Starling is responsible for monitoring a drilling rig as I am.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your butt and/or your ravaged cooter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I pretty much disagree with 98% of everything that comes from star...but I wouldn't call him unintelligent or ineloquent...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No. Starling is grouchy and insulting. She's not stupid. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'fox news keeps citizens in line'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I think she needs to vet laid period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry, the rig is fine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"get".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again anyone that pays any attention to economics knows that zero unemployment has never happened and is actually not desirable from a supply and demand perspective....so why pick on system that we created and need for a vibrant eonomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe she regret getting fixed back in december so she has decided its not fair that i got a baby and she didnt?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll get laid when I go back home.  I refuse to touch any of these rig hands, GROSS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'regrets*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'your hand is not getting laid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you "get" a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'standards. gotta have 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then get a vibrator and shush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm sure they're swooning over your loaf oven Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know its like 1am i can slack on typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'zero unemployment existed before the industrial revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Nonsense.  Zero unemployment very definately HAS happened.  Just not recently in modern society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, the typing is just starting to slack...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shadowsdie, I ended up paying 1200 bucks for getting fixed, a brat costs 200 times as much from 0 to 18, EACH.  Dear god yes, I regret making such a kickass investment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just know that i do know correct punctuation ive been learning it for many years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'youve been learning punctuation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how many? 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, shouldn't you be in bed so you can be well-rested so you can clean up the next round of shit and vomit?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yes but who's paying your nursing home fee'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to public schooling i have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'who's there to take care you when your old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Punctuation is an choice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '100k years ago, everyone had tasks to perform'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'along with correct spelling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hint: contractions have punctuation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs a nursing home when you've got millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your man will prob cheat on you w/somoen like her, so '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'cause I'm sorry I don't se you having many friends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ahahahah, I knew that bingo would come up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'zero unemployment has never happened '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bingo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably the same folks taking care of you when you're old, namely, nursing home staff who don't give a shit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I hope your not saying I would chest '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You think their kids visit them?  Ask the staff sometime, they'll tell you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it happens now. primitive tribes all over the planet have zero unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that was more like 10k years ago I think, but anyways....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'their have always been elderly and beggars and mentally ill and people that could not work....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll use the money I didn't piss away on kids to care for myself when I'm old.  Or hire somebody to do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's a cute little knowledge base by the time you se 65 SSI will be dissol ed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Ucla, if you lived among the pre-Columbian native americans, and you wanted work, you got work.  No unemployment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla: that's not what unemployment is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i thought the definition of unemployment was people who WANT work but can't find it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'meaning no retirement so who's paying for you to go there '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'here we go again....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Havoks, you're ruining your streak. -1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "bingo" is a criticism of the childfree lifestyle, usually levelled by breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is how the government defines unemployment. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no unemployment is people who do not work period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Disability has nothing to do unemployment.  "Unemployment" is when people are willing and able to work, but don't work because there aren't enough jobs to go around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: no SSI doesn't mean no retirement...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'technically SSI has to be paid back'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or when they have the opportunity for free money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you spent your life focusing on your health and staying active, who says you will ever need to go to a retirement home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'much of the time anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla, when the government spits out unemployment rates, the rate is based on people who are looking for work but can't find any'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'unemployment is people who do not have jobs despite wanting them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Examples of bingoes include, "You're selfish!"  "Who will take care of you when you're old?"  "Don't you want to see what they look like?"  "You're too ugly to have kids, nobody would fuck you!"  "It's different when it's your own."  "Parenting makes you a better person."  "Having kids is the most important job in the world!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'thats why students usually aren't part of the unemployment rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Those are bingoes, they are all tired and old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay well 780 from union won't help you live in 40 years lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should make them work then,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one question how would the government determine if someone was looking for work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if they're willing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unemployment does not take into account the people who work EVERY day, for themselves and each other. Making clothes, cooking, counseling, carpentry, plumbing...to name a few'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: smart people plan for their retirement, regardless of social security...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'even if it's pointless work , dig a hole and fill it in, get a check'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'well, they do surveys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'which is the difference between people working together and having what they need, and people working on paper and losing a third of their check to men who really would rather destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'who would provide a check for pointless tasks though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I have hence why I'm already guarenteed 2200-3000 if I quit working now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they provide it for less'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I can honestly say that my mother would have been much better off if she hadn't had kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'glad to know its welfare rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the "unemployment rate" included EVERYBODY who didn't work, it would include newborn infants.  Obviously, newborn infants are not considered "unemployed."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29 and you've already had 20 years of active military service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'its called medical chapter lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he has a DeLorian'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Ironclad on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wait hold on, 29 and with a 17 year old? That's creepy, dude. Rule is half your age plus seven.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'again didn't think of all angles :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're fit for duty or you're not...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Btw, age of consent is 18 in AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you are a pedo, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newborn infants are not of working age....sorry they would be excluded by law'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That's how he survived being shot 49 times in a day. In the future, medicine is very advanced...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably molest the baby too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no one ever said we were sleeping together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's odd my grandma is 76 and my grandpa is 64?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you said you were going for a second baby, the implication is kinda there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadowsdie doesn't know how babby are formed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said earlier you were trying for another little shit loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah well no one caught on when i said i was kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means that in order to do so, you need to fuck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'who would father this second kid? immaculate conception?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so they survey? I am sure that is accurate just like exit polls'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where did the current kid come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But hey, by all means, come on out here to my rig'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'the criminal guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure the rig hands would love to beat the shit out of you for trespassing on site.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah was a survey type thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Really? We're doing the "my friend will beat you up" thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and also no one said i was pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla it's never "accurate" but the point is that the unemployment rate doesn't include elderly, students, disabled peoples, etc... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'otherwise the number would be much much higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'how many times do i have to mention what assuming means?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they will be arrested since its against the law to beat someone for trespassing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're right, nobody here said you were pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think when Ironclad says he's in the military, he really means he's a civil war reenactor or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im so tired of repeating that..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Please, do tell.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. ok. do you want a second child, or not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since he claims the vehicles don't use petroleum.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when you assume you make an ass of U and ME         ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah but not now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when im done with college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'btw jet fuel is kerosene'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'however many children she has is not an yones business really....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can make naplam with gasoline and orange juice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of 'college' ?  What major?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'shadow it was never a good idea to start making things up "as a joke" when people are debating your situation, for all we know now the entire thing is a joke cleverly perpetrated by your and irconclad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I always used gasoline and styrofoam'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What's the oj for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you'll be able to sort of take of Mr. Shell Shocked over there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, frozen orange juice concentrate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'hey i'm in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no no i assure you im a mickey ds lackey with a 4 month 3 week daughter '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'The OJ covers the aftertaste.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i look forward to being unemployed once i complete my phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you take time off a lot and dump responsibilities on your non-childed co-workers too, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'let's pay able-bodied people to do nothing, makes more sense than putting them to work?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hopefully it wont last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'that is what moos do, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Feeding McDonalds to a child seems rather dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im majoring in pysch i didnt say i was going to be a pyschiatrist gwyn what was that about assuming? i forgot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of americans feed their kids fast food.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Which seems... dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when a person assumes they make an ass out of themself and you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can prolly make some decent money as a wetnurse, with time to care for the little one...helps make your tits bigger in the process...it's like win/win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is why they are overweight and allergic to things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont feed her mcdonalds especially considering she cant eat solids..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should always include as a preconditional statement your observation on the things not done at home that you purchase in the store with the machines who sometimes do the work that you purchase the result of before aiming at the unemployed, negating all eligations and showing how lazy they actually are in theirs misguided fortune'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genetically modified high fructose corn syrups'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you major in something....to not do it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was a psych major in indergrad psychiatrists are actually doctors psychologists are what you get with a BA in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i cant produce milk actually sorry abe about your dream that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all pysch majors do something else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you breastfeed your daughter, and you eat McDonalds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'on the other hand, I raised my daughter for the first 5 years of her life on 100% organic food, and when we hit the road, and were having fun eating non-organics, she got her first fever ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'abelinc isnt that what college is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you won't be tit-feeding the loaf in public'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no you can major in pysch and take a few biology and anatomy courses and be a dr'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Starling on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm glad you like my choice of words, Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it makes your point mean more than the same thing unexplained all the time, questioning whether you're the reason their life sucks or whether you would like it differently - most people don't bother with such conventionalities though, cause they're kind of arcane'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so it is good to balance things out and keep healthy but also immune to things that are not good for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling has wheat fixation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need the bio/anatomy courses to be a dr...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well seriously, who wants to see a moo tit-feeding her loaf, exposing her ugly udders for all and sundry to see?  PUKE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that may lead to anal retention :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a few biology and anatomy courses?! you mean like, medical school? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'alcohol is yeast excrement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ive just never seen it being used so often as a metaphor for baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'at least one year is a requirement for specialization i want'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling has many metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'to be in'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything is excrement if you think about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that was all Starling Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'honey is bee shit, is it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm honey.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they make honey to feed their loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no puke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, regurgitation, close enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wax is shit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And no, if it's whole wheat, it has a decent amount of fiber in it, will keep you taking healthy shits and avoid colon cancer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'guinea pigs (and i think some rabbits) eat their own excrements in order to be more efficient with nutrient absorption'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that wont avoid colon cancer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if you take a healthy shit you avoid colon cancer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pigs eat their own shit cause they can'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'pigs who eat their own shit are getting a deficient diet to begin with.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'same as some of the debaters here, come to think of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Is that a metaphor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they seriously need someone to feed them something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Stop making me hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that website explains that people "available to work" are extrapolated against via a survey of 60,000 people. It says the statistics are faulty and extrapolated. The age starts at 16. If you look futher there are at least 6 definitions of unemployment that are all argued over'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, they report on multiple different rates, for the different definitions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in summary unemployment figures are a fictional guestimate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why, they have been lying to me, the loaf eating pigs!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you learn about the different types of enployment and unemployment senior year in highschool in economy class.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they're getting you ready'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so next year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ass will the availability of tenure-track positions in universitys increase in 6 years?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ignore the ass part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thought you were talkin to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'agree, kids do some of the most amazing things without even knowing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i already completed highschool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i graduated early'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ass is a trigger word, Modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's different, and yes you keep all your property.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ass triggers my moon BASE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yeah she's to smart actually scares me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Getting a GED is not "completing high school"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats happenening? i'm seeing other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'are there any professors that play aard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not from accredited institutions :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, I know one of them, although he's been inactive lately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ucla i know that thanks for making an ass out of u and me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yeah, kids do amazing things.  Babble incoherently, shit themselves, break things, disrupt everyone else's dinner out, am I missing anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'darn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'don't you do that to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'say the darndest thingS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You must be speaking from personal experience, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, kick your seat on the airplane, gotta love when kids do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Drain you of everything that's good in life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or are you saying you were never a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she was never a kid, she was botted as an adult.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except i wasnt an ass because i cant send tells. it tells me you dont exsist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, another bingo "You were a kid once!" and "Kids will be kids!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean she was shit out as an adult loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spelling the name correctly? :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was asked to teach entertainment law courses at a local college '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, and that's why I hate them, because they're kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'have not decided if i will do it.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I was never a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what  a loaf she was, too, the cause of permanent hemorrhoids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'loaf-bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'let your kids run wild and free, because as the old saying goes, "let your kids run wild and free"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I give up...like talking to a brick wall with cracks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I specifically remember wanting to act like an adult from as far back as I can remember.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In some ways yes and in some ways no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still enjoy, for example, splashing in puddles and going sledding in winter :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, Ironclad, are you saying that Starling is on crack?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry dude, I don't know what to tell you.  Kids fucking suck, they're boring as all hell, they do nothing special.  There is nothing special about having them.  I mean come on, even rats in a back alley can fuck and reproduce, so what's so special about a human doing it.  If you're so complete devoid of creativity and life that you see kids as 'amazing' then it's your own problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do something else with your life, hell, re-enlist and serve your country or some shit.  That's a lot more meaningful than shitting out some ugly brats who will probably go to prison anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'have you had kids starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet that Starling was hated as a child, here depictions are not of the usual kids I see around. She must have been a terror.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'starling, he's 29 and with a 17 year old, he clearly has no problem with kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FUCK no, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'uh what, 29 year old with a 17 year old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'errrr ok.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she can't drop loaves, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea dont knock it til you tried it, crackloaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Statistically speaking, will a child born to an underage mother be more likely to reproduce while underage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And they're EXPENSIVE.  Apparently a kid costs 250,000 dollars from 0 to 18, NOT including college.  Fuck that noise, gonna spend that cash on myself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, how much did you cost?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Very true, Scurvy, very true.  I fear for that baby when she gets a little older and starts getting boobies and hips.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what you mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I shudder to think of it, Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she's calling Ironclad a pervert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling is a woman?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what "she" claims :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'possibly. i dont think anyone knows for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like clarice in silence of the lambs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dna is not definitve :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh yes i could work on publishing if i want. In the legal world people publish anyway so it wouldnt be much different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Clarice is not even a woman irl :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And to head off the bingo "You have no idea what it's like, you don't have any kids", I respond with:  On the contrary, I do have an idea, that's why I don't want any!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, we get it, you got pregnant as a teenager, sold your child and now are anti-kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NO, not like Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.  I have never seen that movie, never even heard of it till I made this char.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was 'clarice starling' in silence of the lambs, wasn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Apparently?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or is that not how you spell it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i prefer anthony hopkins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not sure if this has been answered, but Ironclad, did you knock Shadowsdie up?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's an ugly woman, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'jodie foster was too political'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the starling is a suicidal bird, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she fucked some other dude, Sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who, very smartly, bailed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'afk'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh that answers it then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'back did i miss anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'correct me if I'm wrong. Ironclad claims to be a Medal of Honor nominee, 2 time Iraq veteran, super intelligent, came home, and married a 17 year old girl that has a kid fathered by someone else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you guys did nothing with 'jodie foster is too political'?  i'm lobbing em over the plate here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'super intellegent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oh right, super intellegent, my bad :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wow, either the chick is super hot, or the dude is fucking stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an old white republican to me but hey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'she must be pretty hot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When I saw Foster in Silence of the Lambs the only thing I could think  was the she looked better than she did when she did "Little foxes".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I wouldn't go after a hot single mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so the dude is fucking stupid :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the girl being hot doesn't improve that situation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope not, Elyce. Let me do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly elyce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'And historically, I have low standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have no standards at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'maybe they're brother and sister :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Foster looks chronically depressed in all her movies, so she has little appeal to me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I mean, their parents did "date".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her parents were both nice guys, leave them out of this.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'supposedly they've been friends forever, but 12 years age difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hence my brother and sister argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so she was 5 when it started?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not so bad, Sneak. I have an aunt and uncle that have that age difference. Been married 34 years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, did your aunt have child before the marriage though ? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'depends when they started'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she had a child when she was very young, yes. An only child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so exact same scenario?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he is not her first husband. Her first husband was shot and killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, but thats different.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'from what'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the father of this child left.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i still think it'd be more interesting to argue about jodie foster'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so, child out of wedlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'different from husband that passed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the father of the child was killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm comparing scenarios :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but to a second husband what difference does that make? You are not claiming something about "virtue", are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm claiming something about intelligence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my aunt got a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'sorry, intellegence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what's her number?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'not sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '34F'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'her family was on the brink of bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yet they could still afford a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's possible. Bankruptcy doesn't mean you are broke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos money is temporary, boobs are forever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'diamond boobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'broke people typically can't afford bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckmisterfullerine boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'is that a real thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckminsterfullerines? yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'wait, that's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I misspelled it the first time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'darn, i thought it was a play on words, and i was all like, buck, huh?  i could pull that together, pull a few strings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was appropriate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just following the obscure logic there, from boobs that are forever, to diamond boobs, to...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you know a lot about bacon lube'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis.l'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Assholes, now you have me mischanning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Assholes ... interesting given the discussion about lube.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are anal retentive, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, the Superbowl, with its over-embellished and generally terrible renditions of classic American songs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's a tradition'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which part?  The American songs, or butchering them so badly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dear lord, butcher our national anthem more, bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's better than the last song.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe grins evilly at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They both should have been hooked off stage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ron Paul.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we all agree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I was hoping the very mention of his name would cause a massive clusterfuck of an argument.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kylrig cackle
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems to me we have to choose either a shitbag, or Dr. Paul. i dont agree with all he has to say, but he is a true human being who cares'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I concur'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol he had me at legalize weed and audit the fed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Mark 5:11, 15:11-18, 5:15, John 11:51 and the media, any similarities?  somehow i see them being related'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and we won the pac 12 south being horrible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I love Madonna's "Like a Prayer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Makes me think of the P-51 Mustang'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_schools_with_the_most_national_championships'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they need the first down'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank worthlrss sockcucker motherfcucker shitwag you failus, i will not nuy any  oroductbt will bad wiltt d/ u will shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hrm'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tourrets?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bad hair day, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at a ray of sunshine, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Sonshi, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she could get a job as a subject at any research lab :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or... hasn't been mean for a whole day, so it overflowed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her cup runneth over?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I heard she had an A cup anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'starling wtf are u saying is that even english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it can't be a kid randomly whacking her keyboard...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is English if you account for the large amout of froth that went with it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she feels misunderstood, and rightly so. I bet that the sound of what she said was even worse :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh and i heard you were talking shit to my sister yesterday'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, oh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dose anyone know what she was saying to shadowdies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean that 5 hour "debate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't dare repeat anything I heard at that session :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'if thats it i also heard i was put in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lots of stuff about loaves :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'all i know is my sister won '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'never did get a jodie foster response'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'isn't that cute'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '(havoks impersonation) loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow but one thing i do know is she dose not give up or lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"win" would be a rather strong word :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'trust me there was nothing to win....it was not a civil conversation or worth repeating'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had a high degree of entertainment at some point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Once you gave up any hope for humanity I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'sounds like it was funnyer then hell then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in hindsight it was pretty amusing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny changed to sad pretty quickly'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had its moment. A laugh track might have helped though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just so you know, not giving up isn't the same as winning...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ucla speaks for me from now on :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sad and funny aren't mutually exclusive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tom brady didn't give up either'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'loser!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well i dont remember it being both at the same time...at first was amusing then after the 3rd hour it was really lame and sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and repetitive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'i heard ironclad had some good points in then she got stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you heard wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might describe how it went :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'got it backward?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it reminded me of grade school during recess :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did abe get distracted by debate and die?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Ironclad's argument essentially consisted of repeated assertions of his own superiority and how much starling sucks with very little to back it up. Not really any 'good points' involved.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say he was wrong :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dame '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to tell you the truth, the loyalty trip was a bit worn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'what she relly need is a life or a good lay lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suspect large amounts of alcohol or other drugs were involved :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'did she get in to a redneck spot'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'in the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dude, the blind loyalty was getting boring last night already, you logging on to try and continue the same argument tonight is just silly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Let me put it this way, I think it sums it up. One side, got her boyfriend on to defend her, and the other side threatened that the rig hands would beat up said boyfriend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Need I say more?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it said 'If said boyfriend trespassed to carry out HIS threats, rig hands would beat up.''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Details?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have no logs, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh? What was with the loyalty thing and rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No I mean those are just details'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The jist remeains the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was it in the second half? Was afk-ish a bit there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"remains"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i also said that they would all be arrested for assault since you can not protect property or defend against trespassing with force'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the loyalty thing was when the bf logged on to try and defend her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i really would rather that be the end of rehashing any of that "conversation"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whose?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ohhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ironclad got on to defend her'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when really, it should've been 'oh c'mon honey, people on the internet are idiots and trolls, don't give them what they want''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one of the truest things ive hear on debate yet Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without any relevant statements to defend her other than "she's smarter than all you assholes"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ya to much '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Don't you mean 'more intellegent' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh boy... I'm tempted to pull up my logs now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that had to be entertaining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dont plz i heard to much when i got on last night'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hey, you are the one who restarted the whole conversation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tonight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and according to her, you grabbed her keyboard and typed shit last night ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let's see... what to debate today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'e-h'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smart move! Ixle tries to start some discussion about the weather, hoping no one noticed his last mischan.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'well if u whant to its no big but i think it was a hole wast of my time i only ask because i was put some were in that debate the rest i dont care '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If it's a waste of your time, then stop talking about it and it will blow over.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'that was a little rude sorry  '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only way you were put into the debate was that shadow told us how wonderful she was for saving you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hopefully she didn't strain her shoulder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What none of you got to see whas an actual debate about taxes vs social programs which Wyza and I had quite cordially on clantalk. It made me feel much better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aww... why can't you talk about taxes and social programs somewhere where I can see...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or the economy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we've tried but ive noticed a lot of opinion not backed by any facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the larger a community gets, the more immature people ruin any discourse.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ill tell you one thing its all bullshit '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree demoneyeskyo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'good point ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the ignore list goes up to ten...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i played on a smaller mud and people got to know each other a little more and it was more cordial....but i forget that there are 400 people on here at any time'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at you.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Ucla, if you stay here long enough you will know all the usual suspects.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'definitely alters the dynamic for conversations'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Isn't it amazing how 1 starling and 1 shadowsdie can overpower 20 ucla's, majics, havoks, abelincs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'it happons at home to'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think Limburger cheese :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not with ignore they can't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get that feeling....I'm just saying because of the sheer number of folk playing there is bound to be some fools....Im also big enough to admit that sometimes i am the fool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ignoring a cancerous tumour doesn't make it stop masticizing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant prove that ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can in about 10 years when my cigarettes catch up with me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'starlings don't metastasize'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol perhaps'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially sterile starlings'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi ftw'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow sounds like she's a beoch'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'or he or what ever it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, now, retract your claws.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wonder why Undertaken Anaristos slammed Havoks's head with a mallet.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'comparing results in nevada (89% reporting) to florida: romney's up .3%, gingrich down 10.5%, paul is up 11.6%... is this meaningful?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'after perusing the debate history, i actually am amazed that this conversation was brought up again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure it is meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'im off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if romney will ever hit 50%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'siphillis is up .3%, gonorrhea is up 10.5% and herpes simplex II is up 11.6%. Meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you bring it up to troll ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'meaningful to those who rub against doorknobs :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i'm not american but are the republican candidates just particularly bad this time around?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean there is a time when they are not bad?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'bad??? hrm...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, and yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'particularly bad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean yes and no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are par for the course, Havoks :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Woot, havoks is here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fun thing is to watch the donald trying to be a kingmaker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'is there such a thing as a good politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh god that was hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'define good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can you spell oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'll give a good politician, Gabbie Giffords.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'wouldnt know. havent met one yet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Google it if you don't know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she is no longer a politician, so that makes here excellent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the one that got shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before she was shot I would worry she knew where my wallet was. I no longer worry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what made/makes her a good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I would've said Anthony Weiner about 8 months ago...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what do you mean, anaristos?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@havoks, caring about her neighbors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean I don't trust any politician.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka knows where the wallet is
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Dude, where's my wallet?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that sounds helpful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'odd that she was on the targeted list of politcians that the sara palin camp put out, on the pamphlet that invited followers to "reload"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean, if you don't know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are looking for your wallet, ask your congressman :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my sister said that obama is "the coolest president" the US has had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'but i reminded her that clinton played the sax'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that should be a nationwide campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that's pretty cool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ooh, Stretcher is going for the conspiracy theory.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I heard a funny quote the other day, "Blows jobs are better than NO jobs."'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, Palin, I like. I can think of oodles of thing I'd do to her :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'a crazy person shot giffords, so i doubt that it was the reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'clinton is one of the most charismatic people i have ever met...regardless of his marital issues i liked the guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'not conspiracy, but still an unintended effect they should have taken more responsibility for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'crazy people listen to the media too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, let's see. A crazy person shot Cleveland, Kennedy, Reagan, Wallace, and RFK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so media hype should be more civil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its not a good idea to put out a pamphlet with politicians names and targets on their districts, with the suggestion to rearm and reload'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'media hype can be considered to be responsible for some cases of insanity all by itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'right on stretcher'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'hrm...what about lincoln?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the media is piece of shit. Remember the 96 Olympics?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'irresponsible IMO'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '96 olympics... remind me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Lincoln is iffy. The jury is still out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'there were two countries when lincoln got did, if the CSA put out some hit stuff oh well, the US does it other countries leaders, but we shouldnt do that to ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing makes me think of spirituality is how can a single person be so rotten and directly exploit countless other's lives for his own amusement and purposes, and rest assured about anything around him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the security guard who saved people's ass with the bomb? Then he became an FBI person of interest and the media raped him? When it was found out that, in fact, he had be a hero of sorts the media didn't even bother to apologize for their literary lynching.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'anyway, in the palin - giffords case, palin and her advertising people should have accepted indirect responsibility for a badly planned marketing campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'plus that was 1865(?) i hope we are more civilized now'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they actually have inner peace?  i don't feel very good when i do minor thing's for instance, they must have something like that going on in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'instead they try to spin it that critics are accusing her of planning the whole thing... ridiculous spin'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please don't use words like "civilized" in mixed company, Stretcher.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yeah it was really tacky in a "some people got shot" way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher apologizes by exposing his genitals
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i wasn't paying attention in 96... i only vaguely remember the incident'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'olympic bombing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'atlanta bombing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, i know, but the details... i'll have to look up'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was a media circus, they camped at his house, I mean. The world media was so thick around his home he couldn't spit without hitting a camera man. I dug into his life, they turned every little incident into a meaningful clue as to his evilness, they raped him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like the anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, the non-anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'makes you think that the next time someone sees a bomb, they will quietly walk away :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd like to see what they see with their mind makes them feel so good about how they get by in life, it must be quite the indifferent horror show'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of crazy people shooting politicians... While I am sure that they are deeply sadden by the unfolding events, the other guys sure as hell take advantage of the political windfall such an act brings about :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, yeah, everyone was disgusting there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm crazy, my sayings aren't linked to any individual, they're maybe common to most of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, LBJ didn't say, "Hey, you shot Kennedy? Well, fuck you, I am not going to take the presidency, asshole".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was sort of understandable to me... when palin and her groupies didn't acknowledge any sort of bad decision making, that it would get the other side angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'LBJ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but, they wanted to do that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'LBJ was VP when JFK was shot, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what does it stand for. i know it as lebron james'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lyndon Banes Johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lydon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lyndon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Baines*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not that kind of crazy though, that kind of crazy is acting on your fear, mine is tearing it apart and finding it's reason before i decide that anything legitimate is worth doing for it - i see crazy in alot of places that people think are normal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'LBJ, must be a basketball player'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lyndon is a weird name to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that should have raised suspicions!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Nixon didn't say "Well, do you think that just because you shot Wallace and removed the only obstacle I had I am going to continue running for president? Hell, no. I am quitting the campaign"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we just watched the kennedys mini series on netflix it was pretty entertaining'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thinking person knows that to solve a problem that exists through the ignorance of limitless other people, you can't use force to erase a problem, you can only attack an avatar of that tendency being reinforced by your action for later, grinding points'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't let the name fool you. Lyndon was worse than JR. :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I actually have a book from about 94 that has pictures of jfks corpse'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the morgue pictures are under suspicion, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the physical findings didn't concur with what the.govt had stated'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in my opinion, that's so long term though, so without the range of this one person's lifetime and ability to enforce perfectly into the world around them, computer's and dummying up people under them might solve this problem a bit for the one who can't accept the other way of doing things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah because the autopsy exam had peeled his skull back'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if you watch the video of him being.shot you.can see that the man who wrote the book seems to make more sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the biggest problem with the pictures is that they don't appear to show the extent of the wounds as verbally described in the autopsy, nor their location.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I believe he.could have done a great job with our country. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are still bitter about jesus being crucified, and i wonder how many of them ever met them or received any actual blessing that wasn't a misinterpretation of their own self-deception praised by a priest as being a miracle from an extraneous source beyond themself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for one thing, the doctors described the scalp as being almost excised. Hanging by thin straps of skin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book i have ever read "a higher court" its supposed to be a fictional novel about a trial over whether god exists or not but it turned out to be religious drivel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'your right in the report they state that the neck wound wasn't even found until they found a bullet in his chest and the path lead to the neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds very Kafkaesque :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'due to a tracheaotomy idk if I spelt that right'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tracheotomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I honestly like the idea the Romans Greeks had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it actually was a  tracheostomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I enjoy the stories of Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what crimes did a 5 year old holodomor repeat in starving africa do in the eyes of Ma'at or Justice Scale?  for all are sinners, born dirty of a woman, that's quite the crime'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I have no idea.but you know what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to explain stuff, that makes so much sense that i can't even detail why like the lawyer of the saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I meant to just say Greek'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in the holy books though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they are similar but in one you just cut without intubating while with the other you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'It's hard to type on a not so smart phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people contending with jesus saying they're not born of woman, but their father who art in heaven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Frankly, Druzil, Mary (or someone) came up with that story in order to justify the result of  overactive hormones :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that's almost like saying you're under the.assumption that alah said ALL the virgins are female'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they come in lots of 72.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'penguins are sinner's, they're not as smart as the people destroying their habitat, new synthetic generations will be more maleable to man's cute toy poodle's made of plastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If I had to deal with 72 virgins I would certainly die, and by then I wouldn't care if I made it to heaven :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that sounds skind of gross to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'number 41, front!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all stinky and bloody and savage, who wants to have sex with 72 virgins'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'just work on your game and you can do it in real life'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I hope they have viagra in heaven.. for your sake'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Yeah I'd rather have some ladies with experience'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and who's to say they are.human?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a tremendous drive to always finish a project :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'You're right, Shadows. What if they are Twi'lekian?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ewww'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or gorillas'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I think I defniitely prefer the Twi'leks..'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what do you think Noah did for 40 days and 40 nights? '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or halflings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he fornicated with his daughters when they reached the dry land'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't remember it perfectly though, he held out until then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of Noah, someone has actually published a book detailing the life of the real Noah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he did nothing because he was a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so anaristos. what you're saying is he actually drowned and the ark was his form of alahs heaven?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they always fornicated with their daughters, that was SOP in those days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do find fish skeletons 2000 feet below the ground in some parts of america, indicating stuff like great flood maybe happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's 72 raisins you infidels!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'raisins as in shriveled grapes? or as in old saggy women'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after whatsherface turned to a pillar of salt, Lot's daughters got him drunk and had their ways with him. What they didn't know is that he didn't swallow as much wine as they thought he did. He was fairly sober.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love the Bible. Porn with an attitude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Greek mythology is theoretically porn... just with one main character zues'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Abraham getting his wife to show some skin for Nabukodonosor so that he relented and let them leave :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'at least greek mythology was kind enought to label itself a myth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, no it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we now call it a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jacob porking his maid because his wife was barren :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that was meant to be sarcastic....'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the greek thought is real :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tis true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I don't even know what a tick is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its a bug that pestors dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Greek mythology was a big time scam. People used it to shed responsibility for their actions. Whenever they did something that would get them the needle in current society, they would just say that the gods made them do it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean like confession?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say that's true of all religions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unfortunately for my father that way of thinking is taboo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and the bibble differs how from that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Oh, I wasn't point to the bible in that respect. I was just mentioning the juicy parts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Noah arc is Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Pandora box also'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and Pandora is mentioned I. the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'is*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of mythology was shared by many people. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Arabs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'animalia'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Greek myth was way way before the bubble sorry '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched this show call cities of the underworld once, and they was in turkey or somewhere near there, at this old , second most famous ancient doctor's facility, he dealt with people's heads and stuff in spiritual healing they say - the priests would get people stoned on drugs and have them walk through this long tunnel with a stream trickling through by their feet - and from the roof of this tunnel are slots cut where the priests/doctors would whisper words they wanted installed in their minds down upon them thinking it'd be like hearing voices from god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is a theory that the bible was a conglomeration of stories from conquered regions of the world put together to give people something to share and not rebel against the conquerors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of that theory are proven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this came to mind when i notice how some churches have those booth's set up, with a little speaking opening and a man you call father (through) on the other side, like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the story of genesis was stolen from the chaldeans'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they would point to african stories that are basically the same as noahs arc pre-dating the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'note the Catholic Trinity and comapre it to the Egyptian trinity which was brought by the Assyrians. Isis, Hours, and Osiris.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Horus*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the exodus from egypt, let my people go, did not happen to the jews. that story, too, was stolen'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and many parallels have been drawn between JC and Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'euro trip status'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly a place in ethiopea where the ark of the covenant might be too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and lots of pagan stories too as they conquered northern europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Flood came from India. Which also has a trinity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some holy man watches over it for the last 500 or more years they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in India si called Trimurti.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a theory that the cultural clothing that are put on ideas like a trinity , one supreme being etc are just covering a deeper patern- this is archetypical theory '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said before, their is a published book detailing the "real" life of Noah. They still think that Ararat is near the place where he landed after the flood.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, it could flow the other way. Freud's Id, Ego and Alter Ego or psychoanalysis Parent, Child, Adult. One is copying the other, I don't actually know which direction it flows.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Egyptians were kind of kinky about theirs, though. Isis was Osiris' sister and wife, mother of Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ok I'm just playing favs now so I'll go Jung over Freud but interesting point '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think Jung discovered LSD before it became public :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, with all due respect, the man tittered at the edge :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are over 6600 type of hallucinagenic plants in the world and alomst all have been used in rituals '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have work to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've only tried 2200 :('
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some places i read/seen that they still do bad things with some rituals too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Bad things like overcharging for a dime bag.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with retuals is that they are rituals. The original act was probably quite beneficial, but as it was passed down through lore they screwed it up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they forget why they did what they did in the first place and substitute it with "let's do something, no matter what".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jews not eating pork, for instance. They stopped eating pork originally becuase trichinosis was running rampant. If you ask now days why they don't eat pork they will tell you that it is part of their religion. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but well cooke pork is essentially harmless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. bacon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I agree in part although what a few ppl have done since is tried to pare rituals down into constituent parts and rework them into simple usable and direct forms '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one advantage of rituals is that they require little thought. That has great appeal :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once something's mystified it's almost impossible to overcome'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is impossible to overcome if you don't analyze it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you could argue that since you may need to access a deeper mindset that the less thought in a ritual the better :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take modern day traffic lights. Police will give you at ticket for walking through a red light ad 4AM with a traffic density of .05 vehicles an hour. They invoke the rule without giving thought as to why the rule exists in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what makes it worse is that the light will take 15 minutes to change :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep damn those acolyte cops for not imprinting the significance of red=5=mars=sulphur= etc etc etc in thier subconscience so when they use red in their traffic light ritual it resonated on a deeper level !'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Tzadkiel in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, English only on this channel, Tzadkiel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  eats fake goths for breakfast :)
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a slightly serious not the whole this trinity is the same as that trinity is listed in a book called 777 by A Crowley , interesting stuff '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is a late comer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very , just the only place I have seen it done across so many religons and in number form - used the Kabbalists tree of life as a base'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Frazers "The Golden Bough" is considered one of the earlier great works on the subject '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Hmmm, is it alright for schools to suspend students for dancing explicitly at dances?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. Keep your pants on you horny freaks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav :(
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'school events are covered by school policy, which is pretty handy since schools can be sued if something were to happen to your kid there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Suspension is a little far though, they now have to put that on their college applications, removal from the dance seems more appropriate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Seriously. Teenagers do not make good decisions. Some do, I shouldn't say all, but frankly teen pregnancy is on the rise and it can cripple a life if not handled properly. Teenagers have proven they can't be trusted with overt sexuality and life-long decisions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not just teenagers. adults too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'will dancing less explicitly prevent sex?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I fully endorse Footlease in lieu of sex ed in schools.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...Footlease? Footloose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens have a valid medical reason for making theirs, though.  Their brains haven't finished developing yet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol grins evilly at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that leaves the adult population with a serious problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's true, teenagers are prone to making bad decisions because they don't have the brainpower yet to think through all the consequences.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and adults have it, and don't use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think thats offensive hanslanda, its not that they dont have the capacity to think of the consequences, its that judgement of risk-reward is not developed (which is true scientifically)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Faulty connections also lead to a proven dysfunction in reading other people's emotions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a different study, I think, Kongol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens largely don't have the ability to determine unintended consequences, in addition to not being able to effectively judge them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'neither do adults. what's the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'And is dancing explicitly the worst mistake you can make, i mean really, having to put the equivilant of sexual harassment on your college applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '? ... I... don't think those are the same, or considered the same at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'harassment is probably better than indecency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think you must see examples of dancing unexplicitly and dancing explicity, they are not to far off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well I'm assuming if the school is reacting this harshly to it, it was probably 'explicit', as descriptive as that is, enough to warrant a response.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I probably wouldn't recognize the difference.  I've long since failed the innocence test and saw the magic penis appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Indeed, the problem was defiance truly, the student was warned several times before being suspended but almost every student that goes is warned once'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They were warned several times and kept going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I bet he's regretting THAT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'she and he '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But I mean, ok, I admit I was fucking with you earlier. That response is way too harsh for something as silly as teenagers being horny, it's what teenagers do. But my sympathy wavers if they were warned several times but kept going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'That individual student imo deserves it, but the principle of suspending students based upon dirty dancing is a stretch in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe. But if they're generous with the warnings beforehand, then the students get what they deserve.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If it was a 1 warning, then suspension. I'm with you, but by the 3rd warning, you should realize you've had your fun and wait for the after-dance party to grind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'well grinding is perfectly fine, its bending over and grinding thats what we get in trouble for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well shit, it's a school function. You shouldn't even need a stated warning telling you that's going to get you in trouble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's just common sense.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'which we determined earlier teenagers lack :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And those two dancers just proved :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'heh private school's prom got shut down for it last year, cut the music and everything, while on a boat '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...was it a nautical themed dance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'define nautical'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of common sense, PETA v Seaworld just opened up in US District Judge Jeffrey Miller's courtroom.  He's going ahead with the case to determine whether civil rights apply to animals in captivity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'boat-related.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i have no clue, cuthbert, it was a prom that was on a boat that's all i know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's too bad, man. That's going to eat at me all night now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does the black man on the green mile symbolize john the baptist eating wild locusts and honey?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he plays the kingpin on daredevil too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'he also is on two and a half men for a season'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white farmer called his daughters honey in the story, and he spat some locusts into percy who shot the guy the black man seen doing the crimes before he came to assist'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'be more interesting if it was like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I always saw him as a straight up Jesus allegory. He even dies for the sins of someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus didn't die for the sins of someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he died because it was the smartest thing to do politically'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, in a "everyone else, ever" sense he did? But I mean, it's a parallel, right? Not a copy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh ho ho, I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well played.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the high priest of the jews in the start of the gospel story is the false prophet who is mentioned in revelation, his prophecy involved strategizing and telling his servants to socially engineer the crowd to save the murderer and kill jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pharisees and saducees are demonically possessed chiefs of demons'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, you hit his on switch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's religion for you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and therefore, what better way to get the vote of the crowd than to rush to your death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mine's different than everybody elses'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media is like the crowd being engineered by the jew's servant's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus wasn't exactly a terrorist, but he rather thinks like one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i write my own interpretation of history and religion reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He thought like a leader, and frankly, is probably the most successful one in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the successful ones died of old age, Jesus decided to leave early.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Son of God or not, doesn't matter, that man started a movement that still picks up followers 2 millenia later.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gotta respect a guy who's good at what he does.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except religion is simply ancient politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'islam is a faster growing religion than christianity'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a murdering bishop selected the 4 authentic gospels 1600 years ago i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lies work just as well as historical accuracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'around the same time as islam and genghis khan used both'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in that respect, jesus is secong place'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Jesus is an ancient analog for Lady Gaga.  Everything he did was "handled".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, Islam holds Jesus as one of their higher saints, and he's recognized as a prophet by the religion... at least last I heard.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the story faust mentions a israeli interpreted mephistopheles sending the doctor to the pope's bedroom for a meal and appearing as the angel gabriel to muhammed'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was written in 14th century germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So the rise of Islam is still the spread of the belief that Jesus was a prophet of god, your point just backs up my point :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not exactly. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Moses was a much better and more effective leader.  He even looks like God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said he was the greatest due to conversion. if that is the basis, then mohammed trumos'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim keeps in mind that people are, and have always been, full of shit
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I... never brought up conversion rates?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said as a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting lost for 40 years isn't all that effective leadership }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the G-summit's bring baphomet's mountain goat to mind, which is surrounded by riot police with rifles interpreted as the flaming mount that could not be touched in teh bible, where moses talked with the gods'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then jesus is second :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'baal-berith is one jehovah worshipped in the old testament'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the men are flames is a key to that metaphor, like the people are waters , moses parting the sea, god is not the author of confusion and the tower of babel confounding their speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In conversion rate? Not only was that never a point, but completely neglects volume in favor of speed. Faster rates != more followers, though, as I said, is so far from the original point that I'm not sure if you're trolling, or really just dumb enough to pick a fight about something that's going to get a lot of sensitive people pissed off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'causing division, a temple divided against itself - how shall it stand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have come to that spiritual place called egypt says jesus in teh gospel, like the eye on the pyramid on your dollar bills'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone trolls on Debate channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is like baal-berith some more, same cult that existed when the stories were written'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and clarify, waht is the original point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he demands human sacrifice, blood letting and other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The original point, if you'd read properly, was that the man started a movement that's still going 2 millena later. And that's worthy of respect, not a comparison of the two largest (I believe) religions in the world, and which leader was better. That's just... a dumb, dumb, dumb conversation to have in public.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can reason out how the world is so rotten through him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'odd. upon researching christianity, one finds that jesus was nto talked about for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'because it is a political story stolen from many that came before?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and who started te movement? i doubt it was him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thousands'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early churh started the movement'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your research failed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things for sale with .99 cents added to their advertisements instead of an even number, scents and cents, makes sense doesn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arcane mystology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just blowed my mind, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus married a hooker, and for the longest time the church took that to mean that hookery was a holy act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just stated one of their building blocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'masonic monkeys or whatever their god is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no, christ as savior was not a big selling point of christianity for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hanslanda's research was done by watching last temptation'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'last paragraph of the illumination of the adept '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really fail to see where you're going with this Ohm. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'how is he a great leader?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i say, not at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A leader is a face, not necessarily the ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he led, if the gospels are to be believed, 12 people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And, as I've stated simply several times now, 2000 years later, people still talk about him and his movement, no matter how altered, is still moving forward with him as the figurehead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he is not leading this movement 2000 years later. the churches are'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still the CEO, if you will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and they are getting well paod for this. not exactly something to be proud of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't read the gospels, if you think they say he lead 12 people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what point are you trying to make cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's how.  A man goes up to Jesus and says "Hey you! Stop doing that or I'ma get primeval on yo' ass!".  Jesus can't very well just turn tail and run with so many people watching, so he ignores the guy.  The guy kills Jesus, and everyone else goes "Oh, shit, you killed Jesus! Die, infidel!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'debate so you think we should give george washington all of the credit for america still being here 200 years later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not sure how many people, he led, then :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still a leader, and a leader's success is based on his legacy in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'George Washington however, is not worshipped making your comparison moot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except when the followers become evil hethens and crusade across the land right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'worshipped or not, the man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'make believe figures can't lead anyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You don't follow George Washington anymore, people still follow Jesus believing the Bible is his word. The actual realities of the situation are moot as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpers_Ferry,_West_Virginia the war of 1812, prime minister stephen harper?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more masonic university frat club works'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they follow and invisible superhero who lives in outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's when the scholars get busy, proving why the penned is mightier than the sword.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's the best you can do, Ohm? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Fail troll, dude.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that does not make someone a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'charles washington and thomas jefferson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'many followed zeus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah man, don't even bother. Your credibility is shot since you're clearly just some dick hoping to troll some Christians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'not believing in fictional characters does not make one a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Being a dick about it does '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can almost hear english in finnish if you listen, they speak it faster though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, look at what the bible scholars did to Moses.  Arguably one of the best military minds of all time (in fact, pretty much everyone is still using his maneuvers today), yet his entire life is depicted as a righteous defense of the wronged.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'use different words in english in place of common english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not deing a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And even if you don't believe in Christianity, lots of people don't and they're a LOT of good reasons not to... why be a dick about it? Nobody cares that you think God is a ridiculous concept.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just saying. a leader who is dead is no longer a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone's using the "drown the enemy in a tidal wave" maneuver'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'there are lots of reasons to be a dick about christianity...what with it affecting our laws and standards'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you called jesus a leader. impossible. man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, his kids get to move on with his legacy, like people who worked for the stasi in ww2 war propaganda receiving all of the german wealth and passing it onto invest in our current day'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey you gotta admit if patton would've thought that he could beat the germans by using plagues of frogs and locusts the war might've ended sooner'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's evil money, but the evil man is gone and his kids have it now, so their business is legit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohm, that's pretty narrow minded of you. You're so eager to disagree that you aren't even making an attempt to understand, that's sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'their is something wrong with a religion that brought witch trials in a world with millions of women dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, the numbers were in the thousands, not millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crack head sells a million tonnes of cocaine to your organized criminals and sends his children to american college , under new names registered with the government he owns, they're just hit it lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are in the records of all of europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've got historians on my side man, you really want to pick that fight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now he owns everything you work for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's every rich man in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Go take some history classes, jesus, the witch trials did not kill millions. The population of Europe only numbered in the millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol cuthbert sounds like a little kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? one million?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the witch trials revived european economies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I take it back, you aren't trolling. You just really are that... well, you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you exhalt jesus but wont explain how this religion of your justified killing thousands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. just thousands died at witch trials. not millions'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because I don't need to justify it? I'm neither a Christian nor 'exalting' anything. The simple fact is that this man's name, and legacy, whether contrived or not still lives on 2000 years after his death. That's quite the impact, figurehead or not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in every foreign investors mind he has it that where he invests is at emnity with his great home and using any means neccessary to overtake it is just fine because this is a war that people don't know is being fought'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey it wasn't jesus' fault that people killed in his name, it's not like he was alive leading them at that time ... oh wai...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking for judas iscariots to work for the jews'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do agree with you on that point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i will not go so far as to say he is a leader.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Are you really so ignorant that you think just because someone dies, but others still follow his teachings, that they aren't following him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'are you so ignorant to think a dead man can lead the living?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, do you REALLY need to physically be there to be followed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'others take the reigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In his name.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'only way it stays alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if others take the reigns, then the other lead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in his name maybe, but still a new mans bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in his name or not, he no longer needs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'leads*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But in his name. That's the part you guys aren't picked up on here. It's not who's leading, but who people are following.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er, picking up on here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with Ohm, jesus is not the leader here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. i see where we disagree. no need to attack each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Good for you, Khaim, that your first big boy opinion? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'its the people who profit from the story who continue to propagate it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but the real problem is not in jesus or yahweh or anyone. its the people you profit from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a commandment in the old testament that jews use gods to dominate other nation's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just toys to them, cause they think they know what they're made of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what is the origin of yaweh anyway? a caananite mountain god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real god would understand people's atheist attitudes towards believing in a lie the some jew invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anthitheism*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to invent your own lies i figure'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least then you can give them more detail and weight'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh all history is conjecture and lies anyway, told by the decendants of the victors. everything besides archeo/paleontological remains that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even that is up for debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd in an age of science and reason, people still turn to religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'media is powerful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sure is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe my uncle's saying that the germans were just like us and my other uncles traumatization at world war 2's training facility meant that mostly it was only soldiers being exterminated in the death camps there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'people have a hard time directing thier own lives once given ultimate freedom'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Religion has been around since the dawn of written history, and even oral history carries a religous tone. Religion, or the need for the spiritual, is a part of who we are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe soldiers was given orders to murder eachother and cause casualties of war as they thin the herd across the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure how it all went, but i don't believe what i didn't witness first hand, and not many people survived to know it all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll consider it, but not believe it like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they gave a shit about not repeating the holocaust then the world wouldn't have been like it is today'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When the current religions die out eventually, new ones will pop up to replace them. I have no doubt of that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, history has shown you are right on that one, Cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druz. Cuthbert= i am with ya man, but the origins of that might be lost to us. seems most likely religious/spiritual experience stems strongly from ancient plant psychedelic use. which was then of course labelled heresy and exterminated wherever found by the growing powers that be and had been in the church. much of the reason reasoning people are so angry with christianity, and the similar beliefs used to turn people into killers'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in all fairness, very early christians were quite peaceful. it was not until a unified group of financially motivated interests that it became radically different'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. evidence points also to the idea that such 'financial interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'go back to egypt'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or before'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a nazi or anything, just saying, and since it's a crime to say maybe you see your own nazism'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't immortalize mortal crime's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look for the philosophy that spawned them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the oddest thing about real early converts to christianity was the rejected the importance of material possessions and lived in caves and stuff, away from people, being peaceful. interesting, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'like buddhists. although there is even evidence that early buddhists at one time killed off shamanic tribes in the area. but who knows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bun poh demonology i heard about on pbs has alot to do with buddhism, in nepal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or bon poh however that sounds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'demonology and buddhism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still do it a little bit, blood sacrifices to their demon's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a book called naval of the demoness about some of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is these organizations use these beliefs to promote racism and elietism against people they can take wealth from'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i thought that was more of a christian-esque doctrine'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course it is, do you notice that dr.phil and oprah don't spend time disseminating miss cleo psychic advertisements and the pornographic industry where prostitution is illegal, while they do any original people's controversial / undesireable opinion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high priest of jewsus speaks again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations addicted to criminalized substances'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'institutionalized charlie manson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think those two spend their time pandering to the masses to get paid. not much original thought, there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's hilarious how people notice these discrepencies but don't hold their perpetrator's accountable under national defense law'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the nation trying to defend?  now the government takes on it's shepherds hue'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'as if things arent dystopic enough over here, we feel its our duty to run amok across the globe funding endless struggle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tension and pain is some people's religion, usually they don't take any themselves though, they delight in others'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems more logical, and in line with history, that we indeed do not feel this way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but that our resources are usurped'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Prior to the 20th century, it was a commonly-held belief that nature itself was simple and that simpler hypotheses about nature were thus more likely to be true. This notion was deeply rooted in the aesthetic value simplicity holds for human thought and the justifications presented for it often drew from theology. Thomas Aquinas made this argument in the 13th century, writing, "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do it by means of several'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffices."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor now like the destruction of the world for sending jobs to cheap labour places with all of the minerals and water pollution of your country so you can drive a car and use their byproducts, this way of thing's is smart because occam's razor is smart and man's creations are natural, like the formation of potash over 1.5 billion years under places where life exists on the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that story here we be tygers is pretty cool to consider too, subliminal mind control submemories that people act upon'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think they still use occams razor in debates on the high school and college level'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'xactly, like they teach greek mythology in grade 10 english class while a 12 year old greek boy doesn't know who zeus is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do those twice as fast as the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '30 Minutes until the anouncment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In about 10 minutes, gay people throughout the western part of the United States are going to find out whether or not they will be able to get married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suprise suprise Obama decides to accept super pac funding ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'colbert's PAC?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure which one '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just caught the CBS headlines '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'well, romney is kicking ass as a front runner tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'err, i mean 3rd runner'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also ranner?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'let me just google santorum to see how he's doing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they should get a big L tattooed on their foreheads :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they are clowning around with the nominations, Obama has hit 50% rating for the first time, with a bullet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i'm sure these marshmallow gun photos should help'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/obama-marshmallow-cannon-joey-hudy_n_1260850.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'below... is Trump going to nominate Ann Coulter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his wig must be affecting his brain :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guh, on ALL of these commercials where the woman is depressed and/or can't stop smoking, they ALL HAVE KIDS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Umm, hello moo, no wonder you're fucking depressed and stressed out.  If you hadn't shat those kids out of your filthy twat, maybe you wouldn't be so messed up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fun fact. The *actors* on those commercials aren't actually depressed people o.0'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, but they're depicted as being depressed, and they always have a little ratpack of brats biting at their heels'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means the commercials are being marketed to breeders'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think the implication is if you don't have kids you don't matter, and may as well off yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i think politically correct term is bakers'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You should probably google 'famous people who never had kids' and then tell some of them to 'just off themselves''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what, just because i'm concerned about political correctness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And yes, we childfree already know we don't matter, the (lack of) tax credits for not loaf shitting drive that point home.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are we back to this again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '"we" arent.....you know who is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Vakieh, with all due respect, if you don't have any kids you are failing humanity. Since that is the primary person for anyone being alive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'primary reason*'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the primary 'evolutionary' reason. I don't give a fuck, personally'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'thank god for cloning... soon none of us will be needed at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it doesn't matter we have enough gene samples :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If I have kids it will be because I want them for rational reasons, not because some chemicals popped and said I should have some'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Reason is just a certain chemical popping.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, fool yourself into believing that :) If you have kids is because you are obeying your prime directive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, reason is my electrochemical interpretation of signals. Not a simple chemical reaction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i doubt you know what reason is at the chemical level'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or electrical'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having studied neural networking, I kinda do...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that thinking (which is required to decide what is reasonable) is not a chemical production.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you may know a theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just find it amusing that these commercials are being marketed to depressed breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything the body does is a function of its chemistry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, if having kids is that awful, why do it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we could ask your parents that, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, personally, I wouldn't want to reopen that wound :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, they will probably wonder why they did it too'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can't answer the question, I think they were insane.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Especially because, after me, they had another one.  Yikes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If at first you fail...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I am sure countless people have. Simply put, while individually we may wonder, statistically we are fulfilling the racial imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's always another donut in the frying pan'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh no you dint'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does the 'racial imperitave' need to decide for you though?  Why can't you just decide to do what you want to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how imperatives work, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah well, I am going to bed now.  I don't envy you folks who are going to sacrifice your lives on the altar of parenthood, best of luck to you, and enjoy the free tax dollars :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Racial imperative implies a destiny and will that simply does not exist in evolution, however it might look in hindsight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If all of a sudden, nobody had kids, you know what happens? We die out. Plain and simple. Universe keeps going, uncaring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're not in danger of dying out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That is an old bingo, please be more creative'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'statistically we don't have a choice, though we may have one individually. As far as the race is concerned, if you choose to not to propagate your genes, it doesn't matter statistically. If it ever does, then humanity will take another turn, maybe into extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is like rolling 100 balls down a maze, and 1 makes it all the way through. You might say that ball had a 'directional imperative' to succeed. You would be wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, it matters on perhaps a 1/7billion level statitically...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that the human race has continued for millions of years randomly. Think about that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It just blows my mind that most of you can't see beyond your mindset and realize that you are in no way obligated to destroy your lives by becoming boring, vapid, depressed parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed I do. As does most of the scientific community.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the human race can be compared to a river, a particular drop of water may choose to follow another path, but the flow of the river indicates the overwhelming choice of the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it blows my mind that try to impose your views on everyone else because you dont "want" children'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I not only don't want them, I don't want to deal with yours either ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the water drops decided to go their own separate way, there would be no river. As long as there is a river there exists an imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know the solution but its cruel :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think imperative means what you think it means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kill your kids?  I wish.  Alas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'close'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hmm, Ucla sounds like a typical breeder to me!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think that imperative means what you think it means. The human race (and any other thing alive, for that matter) has an imperative to perpetuate itself, your wishes notwithstanding. Even by refusing to mate you are influencing the makeup of the human race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling sounds like a depressed, lonely, barren female to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, my job is pretty depressing, BUT at least I don't need to spend the money on some little shitting, vomiting fleshbricks'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That implies a goal which only exists in the mind of the people thinking about the future - there is no goal to evolution, only happenstance and trends.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the difference is i think you are entitled to opinion you obviously think no one else is....but i guess thats what trolling is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all you are doing is subtracting your genes from the pool and because there are enough humans around you have the luxury to refuse to mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would have the luxury either way - because it doesn't mean shit to anything if the human race lives or dies'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'anyway, q complete, keep filing those dependent exemptions! :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'goodnight!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you really come off as just the opposite of what you pretend....you come off as someone who really wants kids but is too crazy to do anything about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Vakieh, it is a historical fact that after a catastrophe (wars are included in this) the birth rate goes up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think it is a coincidence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes - because people feel the need to procreate, not to mention the 'soldiers coming home' effect - this does not in any way make it a guaranteed thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It also doesn't mean squat to the argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reduced return of a male population is what triggers it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the trigger is not psychological is chemical.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though there really is no need for a distinction :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have evolved certain triggers, as a natural result of our evolution. It is our *past*,  not our intended future, which dictates our likely responses'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, it is ok if you don't procreate. It probably means that there is something wrong with your genes :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wrong? Says who? You again imply goals that exist only in your head'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, humans have evolved above their animalism, have they. We are no longer animals we are uber beings with no instinct. Sure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is perpetuation of a species a good thing? The atoms that make up our dna don't give a shit, so who does?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the human ego is an amazing thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the perpetuation of a species is neither good nor bad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instinct is the result of random genetic trends. It STILL has no goal, only the luck of the circumstances that produced it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Those with perpetuating trends perpetuated, those without didn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has a proven statistical goal. When that goal ceases to exist so does the species.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where does the goal come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, I agree with you. So if you represent the new trend in humans, we are headed for extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is part of the chemical makeup of the organism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I never said I didn't want kids. I said if/when I have them, it will be because of a decision I made to do so, based on my rational assessment of circumstances, as opposed to popping one out becasue instinct says I should'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'chemical reactions are triggered by environmental factors which causes the species to behave statistically in certain way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes. Based on the past, with no regard for the future beyond random chance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they tend to keep going, because those *before* them kept going'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter why you want to have kids, as long as you have them. Humanity is not proud, humanity just wants to keep going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humanity doesn't *want* anything - it simply is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know of any living bloc that has chosen to cease to exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, now you want to play with semantics.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they keep breeding, because they inherit the genes that say breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ones without the breeding genes don't breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, and probably because they would contaminate the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It still doesn't mean there is a 'want' for any of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shit just happens, there is no pull factors, only push'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not want in the same that you want to eat at mcdonald's, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so people don't make any decisions, just genes do'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good to know we're living in the matrix'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'shit may just happen, but shit that happens in an statistical fashion consistently is called a drive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'none of will ever know the answer to that question'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however you choose to breed, whether it is because you smelled the female or because you had a poetic vision of the future, doesn't matter. As long as you breed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, I have an AVL tree to balance :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a woman sues city for $900 trillion for improperly placing her kids in foster care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least it wasn't a gergillionz'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda takes a long lick from his trollipop.  Yum!
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'vamps do!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be: a, ante, bajo, con, contra, de, desde, en, entre, hasta, hacia, para, por, segzn, sin, sobre, tras.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just had a thought.. often when i voice dissenting opinions on pop culture, politics, religion, etc. the other party tells me to just be happy I live in America where I can voice such opinions without being killed or restrained. As if this is an excuse to not rise to the occasion. It takes effort and a lot of time to become versed in any single topic. So.. I argue that now is not the time for complacency and enjoying the rewards of living in the first world, now is the time to be most vigilant. We have grown confident in our security and freedomes, while they are erroding away from lack of care and maintanence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'have a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thoughts are cheap:p'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. but... we need all we can get lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and maybe you hint a deeper notion as well... thoughts are thought of as cheap, sometimes worthless by many. what if we lived in a world where all ideas were cherished'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'revered by all for what they teach us'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'texts like these should be as transient as if you flap your mouth on the street, nobody probably has a tape recorder and is going to remember everything you say'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone else read that old book by Robert A Heinlien: Stranger in a Strange Land?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these themselves are going to becoming a violation of you free speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah, heinlein is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the moon is a harsh mistress, is one of my favorites'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not published on a webpage, or written in a book, it's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'god i love that book. going to read harsh mistress next. but that one really got me thinking. we are all so powerfull but most of us seem to just not care, or even know!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think my favourite of his was citizen of the galaxy though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim takes notes
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just discoverd him recently, finding out he wrote starship troopers lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, the book is so much better than that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so epic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Such a massive difference between the book and movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a reason the book is required reading at a lot of the military academies :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'sometimes reminded me of plato and socratese. he laid out an entire system of politics in there..'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simply brillliant i thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'citizen, though, is the one I read and reread constantly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. ill have to check that out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'one last note here, to touch on my original point. I think that is why i find so much comfort in online interactions, usually in mmo games which require a high level of aptitude, becauase that is where you meet free thinking, educated people. people who help me validate the conflicting thoughts and emotions that the hysteric mass public view as hysteria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's easier for like to seek like online'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should facebook have to pay out the wages/twitter of everybody who posted something opiniated to their friends, who's friends didn't inform the boss, which was about the boss, resulting in unemployment, be reimbursed by facebook/twitter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they should have made it secure by default'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least with a nice obvious dialogue with the user'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why the hell should facebook reimburse because people are stupid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why make facebook all easy instead of for smart people?  stupid people can learn how to click ok on windows'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I hardly think that it's for 'smart people''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'regardless, you should never assume that anything you post on the internet is private ... your friend could always have taken a screenshot and given it to your boss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea privacy and internet are antonyms lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeayea, trojan's and keyloggers aside man in the middle etc, the rest if offering a public service with a profit margin you should expect such lawsuits'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'expect, maybe, that doesn't mean that I think said lawsuits have any merit whatsoever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have all the merit in the world if it was the other way around, depends who your lawyer is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i dont disagree druzil. the people are stupid for behaving as such, and facebook is stupid for not thinking about the very real possibilies inherent in a throwing peoples data around'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I do disagree. I think we have too many 'they failed to protect me from my own stupidity' lawsuits as is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the smart stupid equilibrium again'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all i know for sure is that i really, truly hate that Rick Santorum...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like your godwins law'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the average iq of facebook users and who does it mainly target, then what interface was offered to that percentage to avoid snoopy bosses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can almost guarantee they have a rough estimate stored somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i wouldnt be surprised'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget it was created by an antisocial little nitwit who just wanted to humiliate others to make himself feel a little better after being dumped by his girlfriend.. or so the movie tells us lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's like asking what percentage of users who bought a superman cape genuinely thought it would make them able to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'What, it doesn't?!!! Darn it, and the guy at the store was so convincing too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas will stop building that launch platform now...
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There was a kid at my university who thought eating mushrooms would grant him the power to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I rode by bike to the area the next day to check out the impact crater'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim refers to Bill Hicks commentary
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah yeah, superman hysteria but don't jump off any buildings -> 13 aug 1996 http://books.google.com.jm/books/about/Weekly_World_News.html?id=jPEDAAAAMBAJ The trial of a 14-year-old boy who killed a 7-year-old acquaintance and then boiled his flesh in what his lawyer said was an imitation of the movie "Warlock" has renewed the debate in Canada over links between violence on screen and in real life.  http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-21/news/mn-17151_1_gruesome-killing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who aren't seriously fucked up don't do that shit regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such things i guess are inevitable, but it's not everyday you see a story on the national news or a documentary on a national station about the phenomenon'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who ARE seriously fucked up are going to do fucked up things regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and im kinda with hicks, let the morons die off'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'natural selection lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats heartless and cruel, but i kinda like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they usually take some innocents with them, like josh powell'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i could incite a riot who cares about the boy who was innocent and was killed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is i guess.. life is suffering, and shit happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, not all shit has to happen though, it's not all natural, and human social system's aren't justified by animals and doctor's who say evil doesn't exist, does a doctor who doesn't know the definition of wrong make sense to trust with what's good for you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness need not apply. we just do the best we can. i think where we need attention is when people (in power) CHOOSE to not do what is most fair and beneficial for thier own personal gain'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's your natural selection algorithm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with ya druzil. there are people polluting the waters and we need to stop them lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim grabs his pitchfork and bellows 'WHO'S WITH ME?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim listens to the crickets a moment and sits back down
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should start asking doctors to define what is wrong for the crowd before the judges hand them their phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no notes allowed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. morals and empathy should be tested'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'on top of knowhow and educations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone can learn a task or solution. but those tools and the responsibility they come with shouldnt be given lightly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'unfortunately most of the world is massively short on doctor's, adding more barriers to entry isn't a very good idea.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point taken Ave, but i wonder if the shortage has anything to do with the lack of proper focus in our society? why is nascar and the nfl prized more highly than mathematics? why is religion held as superior, and indeed sometimes a reason to ignore science?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there could be better ways of making doctor's in the country, like government sponsored university program's for any kid in any school in the country who the teacher isn't working for the enemy with the principal/staff and the region's education council could opt in, if that's what they want to do, and with that as a possibility the student tries the subjects, if what's relevant is ok marks and they have the aptitude they could become a doctor'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '800,000 dollar bill's is what turns most people off education, i bet not many ghetto kid's get an opportunity to go to school, or trailer park kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druzil, we need more focus on science'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deflation style'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim nods sadly
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society's too uptight with their knowledge and teaching'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money != smart'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems many people are afraid of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'first off we need to reform the banks. fucking loose all of them the rotten fucks. then create a resource based monetary system that noone can just move decimal places around in, and then we can get to work on creating our galactic, utopian society lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that north dakota developed it's own state bank, and was the only growing economy in america one year, sort of immune to the downfall the rest of the country got'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'state banks/local banks make sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeedy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'some towns have even taking to minting thier own moneis'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'monies*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'their*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre' stealing canadas oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'north dakota might be, they're with cenova energy pumping carbon into weyburn'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'whats that modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'estevan's the highest ratio of millionaires:population in canada, that's north of minot a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'north dakoda is pumping oil like crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ohh gawd pollution is the most heinous form of corporate/state evil. everyone should be hanged'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( wouldn't you have to hang the cows too? )
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'no they can live. but their owners have to go XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, be happy you live in america... wher you're free to flee to canada!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea gas prices have gone down a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'gas is such a huge issue.. and working for a car dealership makes me feel like such a hypocrite lol. but i recognize that we need to transport ourselves, everyone buys cars, and will buy a car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cenovus doesn't want covering up the pollution caused by the carbon capture project in weyburn with their scientist pseudo phd and media smiling and nodding to be considered by people considering the rest of their publicity campaigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they invented electric car's as early as 1885 - rover corporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they also had more fuel efficient gasoline cars in 1957'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh yea, and we discovered electrolosys right after discovering electricity lol. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were prototype model's though, not released to the wide public'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better public transport would be nice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. i even heard there was a deisel in the 70's that got over 70 mpg, but was disconinued'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not better for oil dealers'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Modi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just like the oil drillers and weyburn modi :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol history does tend to repeat itself dont it? i often like to comment in public that if america wasnt run by evil elitists behind the scenes, then we would be the first exception in all of known human history'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that lived very long anyway :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not run by, funded by'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same thing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'with worthless paper money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'traded toward our valuable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea it's not our fault, it is what it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. and there is that saying again that i hear so often since moving to the midwest "it is what it is" often used to evade the mental effort of actual understanding'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if most people weren't cowards among the oppressed across the globe then those who oppress them against their will would have support to be a vice to the one's who caused them to be as they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing everywhere people understand is oppression, i don't know of a single 100 mi/2 except maybe in extreme places like antarctica where that isn't the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if most people understood the ability they have as a whole , maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed.. why do you think we tend to accept it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that always makes me angry thinkin about it, watchin how the oppressors treat people, they wouldn't be doing that if people weeded them from their ranks'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, like they are so blatant and arrogant about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the oppressor's thrown into a cage or something nice like that, i watch some crime happening and that comes to mind, what makes this greasy little man think he's god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'initiation into secret societies and organizations help with this i think. i know from what i experienced in the military myself, there are ancient well honed techniques for building personality types'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the hateworthy ones survive i guess?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would argue that some, if not most people can be MADE hateful, and hateworthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about indian gangs in the city cutting the heel of women and raping them for initiation among other things, never forgot about it, maybe it's not always like that though, or maybe not ever and i just heard it - but i heard of other gangs doing similar, so it's probably pretty universal kind of stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some porn sites you can go to and watch the university girls being initiated into the frat's all whored up, college girls, some claim to be real'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, that stuff just doesnt seem to register for me either, but they are universal archetypes'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't want somebody like that running my bank or managing my property'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol but those are the breeding grounds (literally) of our world leaders LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty un-natural selection for the mind's that have a idea of what is evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you mean people who have experienced suffering like you mentioned, yet still choose this culture?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, selecting world leader's from a subculture that tests it's members loyalty through things like that - that's negligent to everybody who wasn't a member of their club, and un-neccessary in a democratic nation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh. indeed. its truly infuriating'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the australian soldiers get locked into a cage for 2 weeks before being sent to vietnam or korea - ok so they might be caught by khmer rouge, not guaranteed though, and the real thing is probably different from the preparations - then i fail to see how this prequel paid off when it actually happened - it wasn't neccessary for survival, survival happened before you reached the cage, is torture neccessary for war preparation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i mean, goddamn. how long have we had the InterWeb now???'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since about 1995 popularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in year 2000 you had to look real hard for pornography, the rest of the decade's pretty easy though - maybe this has to do with initiating the minds before the group tests them'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think you have to be tortured to use your imagination's predestination of torture to know what it's about and extrapolate what it would feel like, and then possibly have that blown out of proportion in a greater fear than your time in the cage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'didnt know about the aussi soldiers... but i can speak from my own experience that yes, that stuff is considered necessary for war preparation. i think it is also beneficial to an extent. the men who you plan to send into the most hostile environment deserve the hardest and most hostile training to prepare them. within reason of course. but i found myself respecting the men who I knew were pushing me harder than I would likely have to push myself in a real combat situation. I would rather the real thing be LESS traumatic than the preparation if possible lol. luckily I never went overseas to find out if this was true, but it is what we were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've compared real pain and pleasure to the real thing though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or rather my consideration of it before it happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'often the mind's stress at it's own version is greater than the body's satisfaction or suffering at the actual thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i agree with ya there also, samurai would meditate upon thier own death regularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'how it would happen, feeling the blade in thier flesh best they could imagine'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and i also agree that torture techniques are far and away from what I recieved, which was simple hard vigorous training :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'testing your fortitude doing manual labor with little sleep week after week, but being overly hydrated and well fed, is one thing. being locked in a box is completely another'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'doesnt sound like good training at all imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people die in training every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couple kids killed themselves when i was in training.. another couple tried to, and 1 kid died of asthma during a run, he had lied about having  it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a number died from runs, one guy died during pow training...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the last is understandable as long as the driller didn't force him against his current calamity to keep on going'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow Sonshi, where was this?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea druz, my opinion on the matter was that it was because kids who were obviously not fit for training were sent to the most difficult boot camp in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was dunked in water or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ok. wow.. maybe my bootcamp wasnt quite as hard as yours XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we never got actual torture training.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he was a commando. 19 years old, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we trained in not getting captured and tortured, and wilderness survival mostly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh, yea i never did any high level stuff like that, got out early thank goodness lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of stories about the crazy commando people are told back home...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would love to hear those stories lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'during basic training, our section commander told us about these commandos training in taiwan or something like that... CO was unhappy with the litter left behind, told them to pick up the rubbish, assembled them, and told them to put the litter they picked up... in their mouth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'damn..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, this other time, they killed 4 hijackers in 30s with no injuries to the hostages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I once spit while being punished and 'slayed' in the dirt, they made me grab the spittle and mud and put it in my pockets LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_Flight_117'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't had a hijacking since then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim adds the forces of Malaysia to his list of armies the US does NOT want to fuck with. right under the Korean Rock Marines
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, our army tries to make sure we can beat malaysia...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if anything were to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh yes, makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a sort of neutral position... both chinese and american warships use our ports from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea docking in singapore is thought highly of in the US navy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once the soviets (way back when) apparently complained that we were allowing the americans to use our port... we replied that it was a commericial arrangement, and they could too, for a price...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we're probably the most heavily armed country to never have fought a war...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hey, nothing to be ashamed of :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good thing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'managed to push out the brits with words rather than guns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even the Dalai Lama himself wishes tibet had had military forces..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do... just not on their side!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'a strong military is a necessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats cold man lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china is formed from many different quasi-national regions, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true, and it is kinda the way they have always done business..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give one autonomy, and the other one point something billion people will want the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best way to dissolve the problem of nation's is for them all to expose transparency with their people at once and make is so that eventually their people govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a world without nations would be pretty good, but new world order isn't that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'deff a possibility with dah interenets'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have it's problem's, but informed people would know where those were and what they're trading would make them disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so how we going to do this? how do we tell everyone on the internet, right now, that they need to disregard thier governments?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nation's are the reason for war's, it's not civilians within them, they listen to what nation says when they have to be aware or be used as fuel for the war, everywhere's people who don't want war and fewer people who do, even though fewer is higher the more socially engineerable the citizen's are by their government's view on thing's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where dissent is considered lack of zeal'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greed's something too, i don't see much war's fought not fought by groups of people like a nation, or religion i guess, but usually they use nation as scapegoat and once becoming nation will do as nation done'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea... religious peeps tell me that me thinking they are nuts makes thier belief stronger... yet my path is valueless, even though i can present evidence for my beliefs, and the opposition i face proves me wrong instead of proving my faith... fuck that, most people thinking i am nuts DOES strengthen my beliefs lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's no answer, people's minds thinking of what would freedom be is good stuff though, if they had a desire to be free in mind, that's the main thing - freedom as offered by the world now isn't much of freedom, i think everywhere in the world is owned by one person or another - and where something is own something costs homage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagining the world where you had a house and security offered by members of your neighbourhood which communicates with other neighbourhoods which forms a council of the city which communicates with other cities diplomates etc, which has a code of conduct that they look for adherance to among their members and a deviation allowance in the structure for things like what is allowable narcotics here, and is there a reason for them to send them elsewhere, is immigration made too difficult to stem that problem - voluntary society driven by neccessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a threat somewhere?  doesn't have to be defenseless'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you did nothing wrong in your own borders and moved towards that happening with your decisions, then no other government would have fault to see in you beyond their own evil eye'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'reminds me of the darknet communities in Daemon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'large nations formed because small groups of people often found they couldn't defend themselves from bigger groups.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, but i already consider that in what i'm thinking of, it's not perfect but keeping freedom and defending it in mind, growing towards both becoming perfect - but away from oppression'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you do nothing to aggravate them, other large nations will take what you have if it were as easy as taking the proverbial candy from a child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equality offered to all who can become equal in society, oppression not given to those who aren't unless they're like misfit's who want to terrorize'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'transient system's are possible to happen, the amount of people and servant's who keep them from happening is alot smallter than those who have no idea what it could be like, and those who are oppressed by tehm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gotta be maleable though, except not to oppression to spreading above the newborn becoming equal, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course they would, that's evil running nation's, gotta make an example that good can be strong, and make known the reason's other's want to make war on the one doing good to the people who become their future soldiers - spreading information is easier than spreading bullets - making people understand through force doesn't work often either, that's slavery - and they hate that - as long as the opponent chooses en masse that they hate you for doing good, then you have yourself a proverbial devil to destroy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim dons his demon hunting gear
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like they say how shangrila was, a nice peaceful mountain community, now the only way to live in a place like that might be to be a farmer who's kids want to go to school so they can have money, systematic and oppressive life day in and day out, lots of unemployment etc things that could be done to means end by the group instead of by the one's who won the ticket to the job - one person can make 2 sweater's an hour, another can make 1 in 3, both tried - now there's 4 sweater's for sale, working at a steady and maleable pace, does the one with 4 think the 1 with 1 wasn't trying and should have his pay slashed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 billion pepole want sweater's , so many make them, maybe they want 4 each, how long until completion and the extended chinese new year, since that job will be done and they can wait for a new one to surface, be it sweaters or otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wage slave's isn't the best kind of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'annual sweater day, make 8 sweaters each and tomorrow we can build some car's that aren't built to break - but do you even need to make that many?  how many do they make over in timbuktu or wherever else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world trade is one oppressive and sealed dysfunction'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not thought out as far as neccessity and comfort'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a few people, a few more as the population increases, but not for near as many as there should be - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim khaim thinks of a girl he adores in Syria
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i always confuse the commands here, but yea man.. its sickening'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian and i'd have had no problem learning how to knit my own sweaters and sew my own clothing in school - whatever else, lots of thing's aren't done because people never had to do them for themselves, they're definitely not all happy as a result though - money doesn't mean happiness, if they all were given money then their skill would be going to the store, which is the skill of the rich now - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's been like that for maybe 8000 years, maybe longer'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even moses from 3500 years ago includes money in his 4 books as a way for the master to buy his way out of the punishment of god while the slave is put to death'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so from egypt money exists.. in guatemala there's possibly 7000 year old blocks that were carved at high precision one density below diamond'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a big long cage, fixing it would require alot of minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you guys figure they can do a national geographic film on shark bite's just a little bit west on the southern coast of south africa of a nation where they sacrifice children who they think are witches?  they cut a chicken's neck, bleed it on the floor, drop some rocks onto the blood on the floor, roll them around, and hold up a v - shaped sail in their hand looking for signs for what to do - and then with these pebbles they seem to throw onto the fire underneath a pot, and in the pot is meat - and this meat is thrown at the base of a tree with the broth - i just think it's strange that somebody can go down there and do their research / hobbies / vacation immune to thing's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like it's ok as long as it's there and doesn't come onto the tourism resort area's, but i don't know, it seems wrong still - just knowing what's going on a little bit to their east'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8PNxuhDS8 you might have to watch it twice to see what went on, but it's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the term " not in my back yard" comes to mind '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is this just another indicator of the selfish individualism the west seems to value ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of this stuff isn't reported much that i seen on american / canadian tv channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty morbid, but i see alot of pretty morbid things on tv, i'm not sure what their reason is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and even if it was it would not be watched , "too uncomfortable"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd watch it, even if i don't like something that it exists requires confirmation some times'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are hardly the lowest common denominator the mass media tries to appeal to Dru '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course, people like horrible things though, i makes them feel good about themselves that they're not as other's and have a rejoicement with one another - even makes their world look better, while people're out shooting around the lowest denominator of gang violence somebody without a voice far away doesn't have the luxury of joining a gang'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do some witchcraft like that here too, but it's not as widely normal as there - we're kind of becoming into that brutality over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once it's fully integrated people probably won't know life without it, which might be their problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb imo those types of ritualised violence are about maintaining a status quo , they are not religon based but a form of social engeneering '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you see later on where the adults are worshipping the children?  and feeding into their young imaginary mind's with supplication?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pathetic, lots of them seem unpossessed in their movements - they don't seem to be trying to say anything with their movement's, they're just repeated'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look back at that boiling pot later on after you reach towards the end of the video, where you see the tree on the spokesman's wall - then look where they empty that pot, and what was the meat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i mean about it's kind of distrubing, it'd be obvious to you probably though, unless they're just faking, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just a little bit to the west the national geographic film crew was concerned over a great white shark biting at 300 lbs whereas a hammerhead shark bites at 900'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've never even seen mention of real witchcraft as existing today on western media, except on one show called rituals, they go to bolivia and india and other places, on documentary channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in addition to starvation, that's a pretty big problem itself, but i don't think money will fix their government'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the more I read on micro economics the more convinced I am that the answer is in pre existing social fabric and smart funding and less involved in some blanket political system '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read something on bbc's report on south korea's suicide rate, that their people were alot more satisfied before their cultural identity was replaced with money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe thing's like that human sacrifice there could be programmed into people's minds and there was an identity before it, for instance'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'problem with Korea is they still suffer horrific cases of fan death...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fan deaths ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a chuch where jesus turned over the moneychangers table's and all who bought and sold in the church of the gospel, the vatican doesn't follow much in jesus footsteps'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In korea, if you leave a fan on while you are sleeping, or if there isn't an open door or window, you die. True Story.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps capital injection does not have to surpalnt social conventions and values , just fund them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to have preceded alot of the war on the native american's as missionary's for instance, while abusing them in orphanages and residential schools - as the new government installed their money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad there's no real church of jesus on earth to call all the fake's what they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he's teacher, and not god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For there to be a real church of jesus, there would need to have been a real jesus, so there's your problem right there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there doesn't even need to be a real jesus, he hated money this and that, there's a philosophy that the gospel says the son of god figured was the right way to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one chestnut at a time there Vaki =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he calls people dressed in rich garments and praying public as fallacy's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they make god a joke by their actions and 'many are called but few follow' or 'wide are the gates of destruction, and many are they who enter therein''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of deceived people, led as sheep to the slaughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's no big deal, then there's 1.5 billion or so people who probably are deceived to some degree by a liar's version of god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at what people do for god, blowing themselves up and killin their own family'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically speaking, god's odds are pretty shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the god that proceeds from the liars tongue, maybe sometimes they deceive themselves and it's their own misunderstanding's fault, and also the unclear author of the bible who didn't include the meanings from the riddles'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Best case, liberal Christian and he gets a billion - if he's picky, however, or not Christian...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So God has a success rate of at MOST 1/7...I'd be getting a new manager if I was God's boss...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo  most ppl really just want the easy answer - actually takes alot of effort to scratch through the religons offered and find something there. So much easier just to follw social convention '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i learned alot from searching, hinduism + the bible i gained alot of insight from, some of their books'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'didn't save me that i know of but helped me to escape deifying the bible at least and think over what it means instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get alot from the similarities between faiths , really looking forward to the comparative religon unti this year '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the catholic bishop who got excommunicated in california recently by the vatican for having a secret wife and 2 children - he was married, and the definition of bishop given in the gospel from the king james bible, is basically a priest with one wife'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so here they obviously don't expect ever to be held against the words in the gospel and answer the question'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since i read that book several times i can sometimes notice discongruety's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo it would be hard to have a text written over such a long period and by so many diff authors and NOT have them disagree on some things '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand what they get for lying about what is a bishop, or openly defying it's definition and kicking one out - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'married to mother church with children of rachel who's children were not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know how it goes, it's a mind bender'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from what I know about the Caths , if the pope said it , it's law , and if it aint in the bible its a papal bull, '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i guess, maybe the catholic version of bible has different bishop definition, timothy 3:2'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these word's are based basically on thought, they're nothing without meaning that's seen - they're not angels here, this is human's with tags given to them, do they live up to their tags?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so them not obeying this here mind of their's and the words they ascribe to it's foundation's, i wonder what they're up to'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much holy there, i wouldn't have faith in the priests in the exorcist having any power over real demon's, who may be smarter than they'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a more general note I agree with clergy being removed from base pleasures at some point but ! it is natural to mate and procreate . In my book you mess with nature you are asking fer trouble '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's chaste priest and bishop with one wife and kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on is a kiddy fiddler and the other one is excommunicated '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's polygamy?  something they sell on Life tv and other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still have eunuch's in india, gross as that is, they get their nuts snipped i think, and then worship'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how they got to that point is anybody's guess, they might know though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen something about bombings on their gathering last november or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or killings'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the killer has their own reasons too i imagine, maybe it's one of them upset that he lost his balls'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oops ! really sorry there ! me on at stereotypes again and being offensive in general , I'm not to be taken seriously there , I'm yet to learn how to approach that sort of thing  yet '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't loosing balls kinda make you more peacful ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this game's full of offensive people, it's no problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still have my balls for now, maybe some day i'll check it out, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn gives you the bird...What an ass!
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each to their own, some people figured it's the right thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'queen of ethiopea had them eunuch slaves, went and visited jerusalem around the time of jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a better way of approaching child sexual abuse within a system that has "chaste " priests than blanket accusing em of all being pervs '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again with the eunichs , some form of social control ? taking their "will" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read a letter once from a catholic priest in columbia or colombia how you spell it, when america was funding hundreds of millions of dollars in blanketing their land with herbicides that not only destroyed the lands ability to grow anything at all, hit the water and the air and made children sick - and the priest mentioned this to the white house '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blanket accuse them of protecting and shielding pervs'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course they may not all be evil, but nobody's perfect'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white house ignored them of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were several consistency incongruities, bad suggestions, and insufficient labeling, in the previous debate discussion -- you fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only because we lacked your participation Zade , you know that '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'participation -- fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when fools rush in, soe angels decline to participate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'judge not lest ye be judged yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pot calling the kettle black"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shall the pot say unto the potter, 'why hast thou made me thus?''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dammit Tzadkiel is an angel and I dare ! =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I fely SO gay then .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.. off to shower .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"even Lucifer attempts to appear as the angel of light"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he once was ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit Dru you've emasculated my femmaninity with all your eunich talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just remember not to head to FEMAland cause it's probably not as great as they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Federal Emergency Management Agency ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FEMA - tyranny waiting to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aka the beauro of leave em in the stadiums , they is  black n looting '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '<-- is just being silly now '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan's called the bringer of light in the bible too, god is light and in him is no darkness at all - maybe he'd make a good teacher'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless the "god" of that bible is a "false" god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a word on page'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to find out what it means, if anything at all's what i'm about'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sometimes ask chat rooms how come people in places like the middle east where allah command's them to kill, doesn't command it imself, instead using a priest and his understanding of what is allah?  omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient - is everywhere, nothing is impossible and knows this'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the fall of Lucifer marks the change from non dualism - "All is light" "Tao" etc to dualism "nesscary evil" " a coin defined by its opposite" etc ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if god wanted somebody to die instead of human wanting human to die using their ignorance of god as an excuse, wouldn't it be righteous to expect god to reveal his will without the use of your hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Q: "how do you know the Bible is true"  A: "because god inspired the bible".  Q: "how do you know god inspired the bible"  A: "because the Bible says so."'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah , a catch 21'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a circular argument, with unjustified extrapolations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the bible got copyright on catch 22 before Heller did =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if their god is these things, there's no need for a mediator priest, divining the spirit of god for those who can't, is there?  assuming god wanted them to know his will, it's a test of darkness i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the above allusion was not a valid example of "catch 22"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trolls for the sake of being green though ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to not kill nobody if you can help it i figure, otherwise you take that action with you to the grave, which maybe has that god who didn't reveal his will for you to do there to show you what you done wrong, and what could you do about that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the ancient egyptians have that picture where the dead place their heart on a scale and anubis places a feather on the other scale, and if the heart is heavier than the feather, then the dog eats it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on death I love Crowleys conversation with an opium plant about death "the plant says "while you are alive and I am alive then we can be friends but if you kill me you are asking for trouble"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to separate the meatheads from the ones who aren't so sure, one knows they're pretending , the others don't that they're being taken advantage of'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"best to not kill nobody" -- looks like a double negative in there'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meanwhile I'm stuck looking for a hooker in hotel orlando'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for cp purposes only you understand '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all north'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'ROFL, Mitt Romney is having a phony $5 "win a chance to spend the day with Mitt" contest, presumably so has can say he has non rich donors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What's the difference between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'One's a practicing polygamist'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'the other's a Mormon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'I smirked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which republican candidate is likely to do the most damage to the USA: Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Romney, because he's the one that might actually get elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So how many of the people who are on right now are Americans anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'holy cow, tourists in Hawaii pay 11.5% in sales tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fuck LA'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada now allowing uranium companies to sell the 1/5 world supply of uranium from here to china alongside nigeria then, is this a decision made by you do things under the stupidity of money or else we take it by force?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're similar, shell is the government in nigeria too, i guess that's where the trends come from'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spread the cancer doesn't enter the government's mind under directance of their corporate traitors selling uranium to themselves to up their wealth'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every uranium rock crushed adds 1,500 years of cancer to the world, travelling over 1000 miles from the mining site'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Kirk or Janeway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That isn't even a question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'star trek without kirk isn't star trek :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I kind of lost respect for Kirk when he let Sulu almost freeze to death on a planet, when the Enterprise's transporter was malfunctioning.  Janeway would never have forgotten that her ship was equiped with a shuttlecraft.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant compare v5 with v1'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Personally I never saw the appeal of Star Trek'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just seems like they went the far side of nerd crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Gene says all of the Star Trek info was channeled to him from aliens'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'he said it was fact'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LONG after the fact lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having said that, I do enjoy Lexx, though more as a comedy with boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Spock or Tuvok?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the appeal of Star Trek was simple, it had a feel of realism. If you look at sf renditions prior to that time they were just short of a joke. Star Trek was the inspirations for what came after, notably Star Wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention simple things like sliding doors which are now reality.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And I don't think we'll have to wait 300 years for handheld mobile communications devices either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Plus, as Whoopi Goldburg pointed out, it was the first SciFi show where there were black people in the future.  That was huge in the early 60s.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ST pioneered in many fronts and it was a social phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it doesn't hold a candle to lexx'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe not, but the Model T doesn't hold a candle to the Lincoln either, if we follow the same logic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'believe star trek also had the first interracial kiss on broadcast.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Kirk and Ohura, yeah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It would have a bit more impressive if Kirk and Uhura had kissed voluntarily.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'It would have been even more impressive if it had been Kirk and Sulu'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when Star Trek went to the big screen it really rocked. I mean, if you were one of those who watch the crappy technology on tv and then went to see the movie, it was awesome :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Oh, my!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed anaristos. loved those movies back in the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hell, i still do XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Uhura and Chapel would have worked too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, if star trek was really thinking ahead, they would have hired dave chapelle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I understand it, they were canceled after the first season :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then brought back'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you Richard Pryor Sotura'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim P
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you mean*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'man havin trouble with chat in this game XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, i don't see that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'chapelle is much too young'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'before his time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but pryor would do the job well i think lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's what would have made it ground-breaking'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone got a handle on whats happening in Syria atm ? APCs from Lebanon there ?!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Just saw there was a bombing in some northern city that starts with an A come across the ticker, 25dead 200ish wounded'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Although at this point is that even news? *sigh*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not athens, is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Apello I think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares, it's Syria.  Those assholes deserve a bomb up their asses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Sorry, Aleppo'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'starling-loaf is here, wee'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling tickles Ixle.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just wondering if there is a push for some sort of support like what happened with Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, syria. Well, greece, syria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There was a UN resolution that got veto'd by China/Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't imagine why , no oil in Syria ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Then the Russian PM(?) came out the next day calling for the government to back down'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No oil, plus all towel heads... fuck 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no oil in Syria ?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia needs China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really about the oil... if it was, libia would've been vetoed, not syria'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not as much , compared to Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe I let it take this long, You are now ignoring starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'libya'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol sorry Libya '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about the oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't blame my keyboard for that one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'may not agree with you Starling but defend your right to say so none the less '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blame me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Okay, Voltaire'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers ! coffee anyone !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about exploitable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Syria has kickass SAMs too I think ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reason why russia and china didn't veto libya but vetoed the syrian one is probably because of syria's more strategic location, geopolitically, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in other words, libya's such a backwater, china and russia didn't want to spend any capital on their behalf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just throwing it out there but if all the arab states westernize compared to if there is another "block" of countries that hate the US wouldn't that be better gfor Russia/China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or for gaddifi's sake, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the mid-east muslims are focussed on hating the US instead of china and russia, they're happy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah thats kinda what I was sayn '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they won't be hatin the Chinese anytime soon'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'abet more sucinctly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise there's no such thing as a middle-eastern muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where was and is the oil in Libya going (before and after the ousting of the incompetent dictator), and where is the oil in Syria going (before and after an invasion by the UN)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'same as everywehre after an American-led invasion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to America.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the mid-east problems are solved, they might start wondering about chechnya, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china and russia certainly don't want the extremists to turn against them instead of the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the westerners want oil-supply stability - Syria looks stable so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and as long as the problems remain unsolved, they will direct their anger at the us instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the whole reigon is being massaged into ... an "Arab trading blocl"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's "us"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol not like the US isn't the cause of most of the problems that plague the world at present :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would give some reason for the arab league to be sending ppl there ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sneak, could part of the problem being the USA is a bunch of hypocrites?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that's a big part, yes, sir.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IMO most of the west is just as bad as the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is about enriching the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz has been politically gutless for as long as I can think '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of it is incompetence on a national scale... heck, the us is the cause of most of the problems in the us too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of self-inflicted problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its because American politicans can be bought with money.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and legally too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a number of schools of islam across the world, all with slightly different takes, and a lot of the problems in the middle east are to do with them not getting on with each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ours are just worse at it '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you mean Oz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oz politicians are a joke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The USA is about the top 3-5%, not just 1%!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah sadly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the bomb builders in the middle east are more problematic'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Easy to shit on the USA if you don't live here, we know you are all envious.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe it'll eventually resolve itself like the christian reformation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares I'm in the 1% motherfuckers!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's more about the .1% than the 1%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'realistically, people in the top 5% in european countries might be envious, everyone else should be happy they are not in the US..'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America does deserve all the shit it gets'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I concur with Tigernuts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I also concur with Tinada.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Europe is imploding'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of problems in the us... you see beggars everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'time to buy some greek islands'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sneak which 1% ? I know a few groups that proudly wear the 1%er patch =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not really, the US gives more foreign aid than everyone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Honestly, I think we should cut you all off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Tzad, the 1% that pays 45% tax in Oz'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'us foreign aid is a mere fraction of EU foreign aid...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like the aid you give is from money you actually have...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deal with your shit yourself, we have our own internal problems and it's RIDICULOUS that we throw money away on these third world dumpster fires instead of dealing with things here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'That is true, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget israel starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wouldbe an interesting re evaluation of countries ties to have the USA withdraw all aid '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'per capita, USA gives less than 20% than UK'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% of even'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about withdrawing of aid'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China cancelled Africa's debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Americans in the USA practice lying to each other using bad english -- in Britain they practice lying to each other using good english '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'let's see the US match that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the us has never believed very strongly in intervening to help others, compared to europe, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't, Sneak, China's debt was probably owned by the government. Western debt is held by commerce'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the bonds are owned by investors and corporations, you can't cancel them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just look at the us govt. Their relative refusal to help is consistent, at least. Same internally and externally. A function of their culture, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i get frustrated about the US, then I think about a fucking corrupt socialist joke europe is and I feel much better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and where there are plenty of lies, the corrupt rich obtain an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know Tiger, but that's another thing about its ineptness as a giant machinery isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps China could buy the commercial debt and cancel that too ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could, would be tricky though'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China can well afford it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when are you going to kick the fucking greeks out?  Good for nothing deadbeats that eat baklava and euros and shit laziness'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were up to me, the euro would have never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I read recently that the greek unions rejected wage cuts :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hilarious considering they'll be out of jobs soon :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easy to simplify it like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is a corrupt capitalist joke -- but the 1% are laughing happily as they get richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greece just needs to do a clean sweep of thier public services , root out the coruption and broaded thier tax base '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's like retarded workers in Oz going on strike over wages, then getting retrenched after :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as corrupt and socialist the scandinavian countries are, it's still far better run than the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Greece just need to get their people to pay tax :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they don't have real jobs, it's all leeching from corrupt governments that lie about economics figures so they can scam lenders'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I like scandinavia, free education'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even at university level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never get people to pay their taxes while you have complicated progressive taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and much lower corruption than the us!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'The US has much less corruption than most places in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the corruption is runaway capitalism that is not competently socialist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'buy don't the scandanavian countries have huge personal income tax ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the finnish, norwegians and swedish seem to pay their extremely progressive taxes pretty well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats only because corruption has been made legal, Kojiro'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least more than the us'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the last 4 years of OBESE GOVERNMENT aside, we are a fucking paragon of corruption vs. the rest of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs corruption when you can just BUY a politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Sneak does have a point .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavian countries have the benefit of being SMALL'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and rich with oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they also have the benefit of being more efficiently-run'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US corruption is much lower than much of the world. But then much of the world is poor and under tyrannies. Compare it with advanced democracies, and it has higher corruption than most'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and their politicians don't pander to corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they're small, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but don't make excuses for the fucking fucktards that are greece'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the capitalist corruption in the USA is what caused the 2008 financial meltdown and destabilised europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'American politicians suck off corporations all teh time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'poor ignorant zade :('
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why america can help itself by moving away from centralised federal government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think America needs a revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poor zade, but not ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the world needs a revolution '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think you could find a state the size of a scandinavian country that's as well-run... but I can't think of a single one...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the feds deal with defence, get everything else shunted down to state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't think that would work tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not like State govt is staffed with bright people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel hands out paper swords to everyone willing to fight in the world revolution
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other option is to order 9 out of every 10 people to be slaughtered'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Direct taxes in Norway are about 35% up to 80k USD, then increasning to just over 50% at around 160k. This does not count a 20% deduction from income that maxes out at 13k or so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so what? I pay 45% tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay 60%, i win'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats alot lower than I thought '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and US federal + state is absically 45% at 500k+'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think in order for government to be more efficiently run, there needs to be more centralisation. Either you need to move most things up to the federal level, or you need to move almost everything down to the state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf, 60%.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how much do you earn :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Greece believes that capitalism must support socialism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about $30k before tax, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'splitting the country into several smaller pieces'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf? you earn 30k and you pay 60% tax? thats ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol 60% thats the bracket between earning too much and not earning enough to afford a decent accountant '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the UK, Sneakl'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I onyl pay 60% marginal when you consider 35% federal + 9% NY state + 7% NYC + 4% unincorporated biz tax on my LLC + 3% medicare tax = 58% marginal rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'And they wonder why the recovery is SLOW?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's 60% marginal, not total, right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the different is that scandinavia, while having high income tax rates, has honest taxation, places like here do not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those rates are for working income, income from capital is always taxed at 28%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '60% of what I earn goes back to the exchequer in taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's because you're a sucker for not coming from old european money.  oh wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home max marginal income tax is 20%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with 7% GST...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose of society is to give everybody a decent standard of living, and not merely to give a few capitalists an opportunity to get extremely rich while beggaring everybody else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no zade, that's not the purpose at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason it is so high is that we have an absurdly complicated tax and credits system and many many stealth taxes that are not based on ability to pay nor generalised consumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the purpose of society is to give everyone a chance at giving themselves a decent standard of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but forced retirement savings takes a lot more...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on my income but who was married with 2 kids would pay about 40%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly fair. not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some faculty in society where the weak of the heard are not allowed to pass on their genes ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean by society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'herd* '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Kojiro - giving a "chance that fails" is not enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the purpose of government, on the other hand, is to do for the people as a group what they cannot do individually.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at the US, nobody is starving, nobody is homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unless they choose to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess the whole thing = society , just wondering how far from nature /natural selection we are willing to depart ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kojiro, so the homeless beggars "chose" to be homeless - more likely "forced" to be homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anybody in the US can get themselves a decent standrad of living if they work hard enough.  Some people are born into wealth, just like some are born smarter, stronger, healthier.  The only equalizing factor is giving everyone a shot at getting a decent quality of life, which the US does'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its a straightforward path: finish school, get a job, don't spend beyond your means. done.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo homeless = mental illness in a large majority in developed countries ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no they choose it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'problem is people spend money they don't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny, I see so many homeless in the us... must be a really popular choice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, don't shit out any brats you can't afford :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that is true'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'funny Sneak , countries do that too .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay people to shit out brats here, the more brats you have, the more they give you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they pay people to do that in Oz as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the worse your parenting skills the better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no, they did not choose to be "homeless", the system beggared them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you see the homeless because people are stupid enough to give them money and food'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"shitting out brats" is an essential investment, as far as a country is concerned'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the "System" didn't beggar anybody.  They choose not to get a job, they choose not to work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beggars in london can earn $100 a day and more'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You guys are wasting your time and your life on loaf-master-blather'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tugernuts, I'm in NYC and beggars here can live like a king'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need someone to work in the future. Doesn't matter how many dollars or tons of gold you've stockpile. No one growing corn mean you don't eat corn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'camp in central park, easily beg $50 a day on the subway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, many that "worked hard" were beggared by the financial system'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  Import people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but in NY, the rent is too damned high'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ixle ? unpack that for me ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if all the countries thought like that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Build robots to farm corn'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are not going to change Starling's mind because there isn't one at work.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'importing foreigners causes problems later'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, my country's imports of people has destabilised the political situation somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and hook all those farmville ppl up to monitor the robot farms !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anti-immigrant sentiment and such.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ixle, stop your babble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are basically arguing with a walking billboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want people to grow corn, not robos, otherwise there aren't enough jobs to go around'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, they were beggared by their unwillingness to work and by a system that provides them comfort in the form of welfare if they don't work and just shit out kids from their uneducate dand filthy loins'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need more foreigners in the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ask your govt to relax border control :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the day we can use robots to replace all labour is a long way off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I didn't say "don't shit out brats at all", just "dont shit out brats you can't afford"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'make it easier to get visas and Green Cards :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's true, don't shit out brats you can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we could, there'd be no need to have a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I.e., if you're going to loaf shit, at least be able to pay for said loaves yourself and don't sponge off the gubmint tit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've long advocated making contraceptive implants a prequisite to any form of welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Who's going to pay for those regulations tigernuts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Contraceptives PLUS DRUG TESTS for welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there are a fair number who bear children for the sole purpose of claiming benefits'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's pretty BIG government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sneak:  careful, with too many green cards and visas, the USA may become Mexican'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it matter who pays for it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd save money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a market equilibrium price, hopefully, for government aid for kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the argument is to save taxpayers dollars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well, relax, doesn't mean let anyone in'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't shit out shit ? put birth control in the soylent green ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'immigrants like to work and improve themselves, we need more of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Obviously there must be monitored standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'It is true. Immigrants (the good ones) improve society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For every dollar spent on contraception, how many dollars of welfare, drug treatment, incarceration, etc. are saved?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need to get rid of peple like zade that think "The system" is the source of poverty'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at half replacement level, asking people to only have kids if they can afford it is no longer feasible in my country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Soylent Green" is more likely to work in the South Americas'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go live in s. america or asia if you want to see how a real "system" represses people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, which country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'easiest way to reduce the birth rate is to increase education - worked in Africa'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats BS, Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if the birthrate per woman went down to 1.5, population would still grow for the next 40 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to be "have 3 or more if you can afford it", but it seems that they're increasingly in panic mode....'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore is a whole different ballgame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wages are too low in Singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here, have this wad of cash. please pop out a few loaves!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's half replacement because you throw baby girls into the sea, or feed them to mongolians'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'income inequality is ridiculous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it still is one for mum one for dad and one for the country here !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, sure, sure, we eat babies. They taste like chicken'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi why do you think so many SGs choose to migrate out of the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only the girls tho'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, many of them have second thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the boys taste like roosters ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Really? I don't have second thoughts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially now, with crushing unemployment in many places.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not everyone...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go work in a mongolian copper mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'There is always work available, if you're willing to get your hands dirty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're a well-paid professional, there's no reason for regret'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also think welfare payments should be paid to every adult citizen, irrespective of income'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Welfare payments?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think welfare should be scrapped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, a 'citizens allowance''
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the unemployed dipshits in the US should go work in the oil field'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore doesn't have welfare, I don't see any problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'ALL the drilling companies are hiring'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you can't help but worry for the stability of your host country when you notice ever increasing numbers of the destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Hell yes, I'm in Oz. It sucks here right now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, it's dirty work and you'll bust your ass for 12 hours a day, but you'll make 20 dollars an hour doing it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, singapore does have welfare. They just pretend it doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cpf is singapore's version of social security'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I maybe a lil sheltered but Oz has it pretty good atm re unemployment imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'CPF is too restrictive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, no, I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and singaporeans pay in a lot more to cpf, and get correspondingly more out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, thats not welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle class starts revolutions, not the poor -- the poor may support revolutions, but are too poor and disorganised to start revolutions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'by welfare, I meant, try asking the government for $ to live on when you're unemployed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should probably throw non-paying absentee parents in the clink, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a social safety net...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do that on a case by case basis'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just see your mp'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and cross your fingers'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Yes, and the politicians were debating AGAINST giving a $3/day increase or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the %1 rich in the USA are eliminating the middle class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'While on the other hand, they were pretty happy with awarding themselves 40% pay rises'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no way what, starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's bad enough we have to pay welfare for the loaf shitting moocow whores, we don't need to pay to incarcerate the deadbeat duhs too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick them in work camps'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building roads, mining etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until all 16yrs worth of child support is paid off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'picking arizona crops'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just garnish their wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'garnish their wages? what wages?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'SG needs minimum wage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no need to throw them into some labour camp...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What wages, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they don't have work, give them a job building a road or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'building roads and mining requires strength health and educated skills'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Moo is sitting on her fat ass at home with a screaming loaf, playing Farmville and posting on twatter, duh is either in prison or living in a box under a bridge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they won't work... well... there are other less civilised means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it clearly doesn't, at least not in Australia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the fuckign roads here keep screwing up'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro is agreeing with that Starling person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think the builders do it on purpose so they get repeat work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure about minimum wages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well doesn't McDonalds pay like $3/hr still'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are people who are willing to work, but may not be able to do anything worth minimum wage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mcd's pay $10 an hour here'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget using food stamps to buy marlboros to smoke at home and poison the loafs'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'mcd's pay $21/hr here if youre 21 and above'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, those people need to go work in the oilfield'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are jobs, it's just that these lazy shitbags don't want to get off their asses'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you made mcdonalds pay $5, they'll fire all the old men and women wiping tables'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why would anyone in ths US get a hard job paying $8/ hr when they "make" that sitting on their ass cllecting 99 weeks of unemployment and getting $100 / week in food stamps?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree w/ STarling for once'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problems we have here with wages is the very high cost of living, thanks to failed housing policy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'housing policy has failed in many countries, unfortunately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'More than housing policy, bad economic policy in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think the minimum wage is why you see young, relatively energetic people at the mcdonalds here, rather than old, sluggish semi-retirees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, come of.  20 dollars an hour, before overtime.  84 hours a week for two weeks, then two weeks off.  That's what a rig hand makes starting out in the oilfield.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No one is talking about sustainable economics, only linear growth models, why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more than i make in a skilled job'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When that rig hand gets promoted, say to motor man or derrickhand, he makes even more.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because economists and politicians are fuckwits, ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone else who are fuckwits believe them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'indoctrination Ixle imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not everyone has the skills or the temperament. I suspect that many of the poor wouldn't be fired for stupidity within a week of signing up as an oiler'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And actually, 20 dollars an hour starting out is on the low end.  I think Ensign USA Drilling starts its lease hands off at 25 an hour, Patterson-UTI is similar, PLUS they all give insurance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'd have to agree tzad, it's not like we're ignorant of sustainability models'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, the drilling companies train new people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ineptness in language causes poverty '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, I've seen some real pieces of work out here, working as rig hands.  It don't take a rocket surgeon to do that job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the funniest thing i heard a grown adult say was "we need more kids in order to pay for the pensions of our old people"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ineptitude'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at that point i knew that humanity deserves to be wiped out by a meteor'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people are just born somewhat dumber than average... I'm not convinced that training would help just anyone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the disadvantaged are unable to describe the problem, the corrupt ignore the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Regardless, there are people who would do just fine working for the drillers and making big bucks, but they refuse to do it because they don't want to put Fakebook and Twatter down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, I've had students who can't add decimals correctly, let alone multiply... sometimes I wonder how they got into an ivy...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna start to put together a dictionary of Starlingisms I think , pricless !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another issue is, I wonder if they even know drilling jobs exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They probably never bothered to look'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the question is, look where?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'After all, Fuckbook and Twatter are far more important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the homeless, it isn't a trivial question'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'www.rigzone.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure the legions of homeless people in the us have computers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when children are educated "dumber", they are unable to see the problems accurately, are unable to express themselves coherently, and are then mostly ignored and distracted by beer, sports, junk food, tv, internet, twitter, et cetera'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, even homeless dipshits have fuckbook and twatter accounts, don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, there are public libraries and whatnot with internet access'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what hope of children education when you are actively teaching them "creationism" as a scientific fact?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are here playing this mud, QED'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't get me started on the creationism garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism isn't even wrong, what the fuck are they teaching it for'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'library computers in us cities tend to be occupied most of the time. But I haven't been to many, so I wouldn't really know'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone know if there is an Oz equiv of Rigzone for the Oz mining community ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't bash creationism - I don't like the idea of agreeing with you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sky Daddy does not belong in school, period'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except seminary or whatever fundies do to peach the word.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion should be taught in schools'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Religion is obsolete shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should teach about religion, but teaching religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as part of a religion/philosophy class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'children taught creationism are more likely to vote Christian or Muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I could live with classes ABOUT religion in general, even though I think religion is worthless bullshit more often than not, but teaching "Sky Daddy made the world!" is totally wrong, and the 'theory' itself is not even wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, starling, they should teach about religion, and all religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to teach history without mentioning religion and analysing it somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i want to learn more about Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism theory" is wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but most importantly,they should teach it in context, why it exists, what it was for, how it is still useful, how it is abused'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Zane, creationism theory is not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee you most americans who hate or are frightened of islam know precisely fuck all about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, kid, the crusades happened because... uh... they... uh... did't like each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm frightened of religion in general...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  The crusades happened because people are stupid, they believed in shit that probably never existed, and so they decided to kill each other to prove a point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can get behind killing people to prove a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But at least the point should be somewhat based in reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the two sides believed in different kinds of shit? Or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still doesn't give a halfway decent analysis... killing each other over believing different kinds of shit is pretty vague'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And also pretty stupid, which is why I said the people involved were stupid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'killing each other over, say, racist supremist type ideas, over nationalism, over religion... they turn out differently...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism" is a bogus theory that is able to be proven wrong - but the proof is likely a thick tome, wherin the religions supporting creationism are disected and repudiated (and that take a lot of work research patience and dedication - studying religious crap to disprove that religious crap) '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Zade, creationism can't even be falsified, which is why I say it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how would it be falsifiable?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you say something is wrong, that implies you can prove it somehow'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no matter what evidence there is, nothing could possibly contradict it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the US is largely screwed whomever gets in at the next election'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism can't be shown to be wrong by any scientific method, which is why it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'isn't it impressive that the catholic church is more powerful than countries? Even if it is "stupid" the genius in the speeches has been time-tested and works even today'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's barely worth consideration'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Starling, creationism may be "falsified" (proven to be false) by repudiating the supporting religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is powerful mostly in countries with a long tradition of that sort of... thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle logic is requird'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creationism belongs in a philosophy debate, not a scientific one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it has been weakening in europe...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except you can't falsify those religions either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and to hear them tell it, religion doesn't even need to underpin creationism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle pragmatic logic is required to dissect analyze and repudiate religions '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you seek to repudiate factual basis for religion, then you clearly don't understand the point of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you could somehow prove all religions wrong, it still wouldn't falsify creationism...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You write up your treatise on your repudiations and get back to me, okay?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Zade on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'better just to pick the useful bits out of religons and leave the nuts etc to em '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disproving a religion permits freedom from that disproven religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of strange doctrines... krugman has been speaking out a lot against the so-called austerians...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'aff'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well , been fun but the sun is nearly up which means its time for me to sleep'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perchance to dream :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Ovccam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Occam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wasting your time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pragmatic logic states: "if there is no indication for the existence of 'something', that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if the scriptural support for "something" is repudiated, and (thereafter) there is no indication for the existence of 'something', then that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't like religion, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'is there any good reason to like religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I like many religious people, but unfounded belief systems have done terrible things to the evolution of human society, and indeed ecology worldwide'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greece is in debt, so either they do what's right and cut jobs, canada's dollar might not survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand faith in hypnosis and worshipping lies but you'd think they'd have a line drawn somewhere when it comes to world dictatorship'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do not talk about Dear Leader that way!  It's too soon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sit down and think really hard, what does greece have to do with canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the little dweeb insists though, canada's money is greeces money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they both take it in the ass?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm not sure about the history of history and formulation of nation's with all of their posts contrasted to see who's in charge of what'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your saying's about as good as any other though, at least the citizens of both seem to take it in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Canada in the figurative sense (a la your various rants), Greece in the literal sense (after all, they are Greek!)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i meant them both both ways'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you admit to taking it in the ass literally?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but i'm not canada, just a fraction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so, i heard charlie sheen's 'goddesses' were nothing more than nursemaids and actresses.... discuss'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the guy who seen warlocks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah i think he was a warlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/charlie-sheen-offends-warlocks-christian-day-coven-fuming-magically-bind-sunday-warrior-magic-salem-raven-moon/'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a cleansing on his career, that's some skills - crazy ass crazy world'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or just insane'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's a free spirit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't saying nothing bad about him, what brought him up anyways?  lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody says charlie sheen and i have a year or so of what funny news i seen crossing my thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly in 10 months and 12 days the world won't exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really. who told you this'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine what kind of cults they got out there now feeding on the possibility, looking back would be a luxury they think they won't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's been on the news :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. more yellow journalism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'literally 100s of books have been written on the subject.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yellow?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i avoid those books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's beside the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That sounds kinda racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no it is not'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In any case, it is the Mayan Calendar's end date.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yellow journalism is a term from the 1800s, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe the mayans decided to quit the calendar and get drunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Theory is they ran out of rock.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'dingos ate their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'can't blame 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm sorry, their 'loaves''
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people ate their loaves too sometimes, i seen it on southpark and read it in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the tabloids printed their sensational stories on yellow colored paper to catch the eye.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm eating loaf right now...wait, did you mean something different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also seen some disturbing video's that might indicate that we're still there a little bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't use South Park as a source of enlightenment... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'human flesh tastes good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does not taste like chicken :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but no one ever complained'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would complain if I were served human...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rendering is not a good way to stay healthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no you wouldn't. not if you were hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, it's dehumanizing to call them loaves of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Starling calls people loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body."'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cannablism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's Matthew 26:26 - couldn't find the verse where god was besieging a city and women were debating who's child to eat on that day'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in there though'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if I were hungry enough to eat human I doubt anyone would be around to serve me :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i always is'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hlmencken: 'thats easy...whichever baby is most tender'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tender babies are money making.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would rather eat some pubescent female :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you can do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anar eats pubes ewwww'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'been doing it for years :>)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do the cops make such a big deal when an armed criminal is threatening to kill himself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all for show , civil rights etc need to be placated '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I say let the guy do it, save everyone else the trouble of putting up with his deranged ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he is a potentially nobel winning scientist that has had his drink spiked ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for whom does the bell toll ? it tolls for us all .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are there to maintain law and order, they don't have capacity to enforce justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately neither are lawyers, judges or politicians'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in some cases where mandatory sentencing is enforced the power of judiciary is with the police '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory sentencing is completely at odds with the principles of justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'property crime is so bad here that they brought it in for that reason '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't help'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nope , just made the voters feel like something haad been done '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the nub of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep , idiots vote '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mandatory sentencing is pretty shitty, but constant slaps on the wrist are worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many laws and law enforcement measures are to placate a narrow minded bunch of swing voters'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You mispelled "nearly all"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because the justice system doesn't address the needs of the criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you better own that garbage can lid sonny !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the state focuses on rehabilitation instead of retaliation and revenge that will change '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't focus on it, rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the travel is in the other direction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very true '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never occured to them that heroine addicts nick stuff because they have a chemical addiction, and sticking them in prison won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they may get better drugs inside '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'releasing them straight back into the same environment won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bizarre choice they made over here was jailing some mp's for fiddling their expenses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made me quite angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'treating criminal behaviour as a mental illness -- on the surface it sounds fine but read The Clockwork Orange'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not treating it like a mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the root of that particular prob is drug abuse and dependancy - mental illness ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the case of the parliament members jailed for fiddling expenses. firstly, were they likely to offend again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok stupidity is not curable and therefor not a medical problem ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are many reasons people might get addicted to heroine, stupidity is one, desperation is one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mental illness is another'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'white collar crime happens because they think they will get away with it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find the whole idea of punishment for a crime barbaric and entirely pointless'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in being caught their eronious view of the system is corrected and they will not offend again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting , how would you deal with crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be about repayment, ammends, and behaviour modification'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that a little ? perhaps a murder ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the murder'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ted Bundy's victims '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically pre-meditated violent crime is one of the few things jail IS sensible for'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the death pentaly ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok drunk driver kills someone '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on previous record and character'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think its vehicular manslaughter here '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will putting him in jail bring the dead guy back to life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for arguments sake lets take exactly the same case but on ewith a waste of oxygen and one a distraught drunk pillar of the community '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the status of the victim is largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are the death will haunt the driver for the rest of his life. what purpose is there having him in jail? far better to make him pay his debt to society in a more productive way'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'quality of life / euthanasia et c.. whole nother argument , but go on '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, dinner time'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eat well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the perp has its organs harvested- no jail - is of benifit to the community in general and they don't commit firther crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if the reason why the gop candidates are so weak is because they no longer need to raise funds from regular voters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'middle class, even upper middle class voters are irrelevant when you have billionaires willing to pay for 90% of your campaign...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an outsider, just looks like a bunch of rich corp paws put there to further corp bank balances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hidden behind a veneer of christian fundamentalism in order to catch middle america'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they say what they need to win, then once elected, they repay their debts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy really needs to go back to first principles'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e - what is the purpose of government, what is the purpose of law'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said the US has democracy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere has a democracy in it's truest form'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe mandatory voting with severe funding restrictions would be the way to go...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had mandatory voting, "none of the above" would need to be a valid option'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'our mandatoryvoting is not really enforced here from what I have seen '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory voting is a tough one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mandatory voting would only work in places where you can have as many candidates as you wish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had mandatory voting with instant runoff, that should tighten up things a bit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would break the power of dominant parties as dominant parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can "informal" vote here , alot of ppl do that - basically waste their ballot '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For me, being from Sweden, a system with only 2 parties is very strange.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do those that don't vote now care enough about who wins to vote in such a way as to change the outcome?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have multiple parties, but only two that actually matter, and they're vote shite'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while mandatory voting, if applied correctly, can eliminate a lot of fraud, and force politicians to actually care about the average guy, instead of just those who are likely to vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err both, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are good arguments for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though by forcing people to vote who don't want to, you could skew the result'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If people thought they were bad, they would get no votes. Apparently people think they are the best, or?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would the result of having alot of parties mean that not many bills are passed and if they are with amendments to keep those parties happy ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't mentally equipped to vote for someone who is good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all countries have more than 2 parties. The US is an exception, not a norm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would skew the result compared with what it is without, yes, but the important thing is politicians might give a hoot about those who might not vote otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has lots more than 2 parties, but like tiger said, only 2 that matter/are established'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Potato, potato'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller democracies are the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, instant runoff would allow third parties to break the power of the main parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only parties that have some form of voting power counts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'anarchy is the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anarchy is not the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has thousands of parties, but only a handful or so count.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have 2 major parties here but it's usually one of the smaller parties ie greens or democrats that holds the balance of power and is relied on to get bills passed '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anarchy is the answer... for countries you don't like!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'isolationist military dictatorship ! '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as daft as it sounds, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I never am ,, =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thousands of parties? is there even that many people there? }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'we should all refer to the Word of God for all our questions and revert to a theocracy, the way God meant it to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing wrong with total monarchy or dictatorship is that you are entirely reliant on the guy being good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it rarely happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'debate I think a benevolent dictator would probably be the best.... the problem is finding that dictator.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'God is good!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and even if he's good, his son is often a tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'let there be a large distance between church and state! for gods sake !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'his son is good too!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still love that the president of Gabon is called "Ali Bongo"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A god would be a good dictator. Too bad we don't have one of those.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many stereotypes does it need to change a lightbulb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we have maybe ten parties, but only 4 have any sort of real presence, and only 1 really matters, so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on whether it's a nice god or a nasty one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hellfire & brimstone'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'old or new testament '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think I would prefer Thor to the christian god.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we might all be better off returning to small kingdoms/states'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL before or after God got his rocks off with Mary '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'small states can't survive without a strong world order though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'India has some fun gods as well, perhaps one of those :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the OT Jehova was just a huge case of blue balls ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have world order now'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a global small state solution to work, you'd need a UN with real teeth'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since when, did I miss something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are still voting blocks in the UN '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least strong groups/alliances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is not any real accord imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok laugh at me but what if the UN banned ALL armed forces - then we could exist as fiefdoms kingdoms etc because the main prob with those sorts of organisatios is that military spending bankrupts them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UN has no power to tell anyone to do anything.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the UN banned all armed forces, the UN wouldn't exist very long'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the UN is completely broken with the countries that have veto.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and only an idiot would voluntarily disarm, unless he had no chance to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so only the UN has guns ? nah sill yidea , both directions but that is how every gov is treating it's citizens - disarming them '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the reason for the veto is that without, say, China, the US, or Russia, the purpose of the UN would be defeated...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the security council is kind of like a lowest common denominator kind of thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Aka bullying'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or in 20 years China Russia or India '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So why does france have a veto but not germany (for instance)?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, the world had a pretty bad experience with the whole disarming thing. Hitler and Hirohito happened the last time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'esp since Germany is bankrolling the EU atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they lost the war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'france used to be a major power too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a couple of the veto wielding countries probably shouldn't have the veto now, but those don't use it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Face the facts: The UN is broken, and not democratic. It has no power, and is completely pointless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what part did the UN have in the libyan uprising ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone remember ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is pretty useful for things that don't hurt any of the interests of the major powers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point was never democracy, despite what they say. Nonetheless, it has its uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or stabilizing an oil producer .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, it allows the US to start wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us can start wars perfectly fine without the un!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps not for too much longer , '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, without the un, the us could well have gotten itself into a lot more wars...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but with the UN, the US can send troops to places that would be hard to motivate otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? Has a major power ever had a problem sending forces to far flung places pre-UN?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the barbary wars come to mind...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pre-UN was quite a long time ago, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'league of nations was before the UN ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '60 years ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow I had never heard of the Barbary wars before , it appears the USA has some form invading the mid east '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, pre-UN, the US has landed invading forces all over the place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'indonesia, for example'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was that some of the source of its powerbase ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'It was just typical of that era though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the brits were doing a grweat job then too '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is really the only country that has done that the last 100 years though. Probably because it's so young, you know how teenagers are...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for all the ills of the UN, it did slow down the whole I-just-landed-a-couple-of-battalions-to-make-you-sign-this-treaty thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brits never invaded anyone, it belonged to us in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now they only do it once in a while!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol OK yeah I have been a teenager with her first credit card ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, then the americans stole america from the empire!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean the usasians stole the US?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'horrible, isn't it, that terribly illegal revolt and act of treason against the rightful king of england!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meet y'all at the Green Dragon Inn :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, England belongs to vikings anyway, so it's ours!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"centre country" claims everything!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"now I know why my campaign didn't work. I didn't have a billionaire..." - Pawlenty, to Rachel Maddow'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the current state of affairs, I wonder if huntsman was too hasty in quitting...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the blatant funding issues in US polotics why don't they reform the system ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'polo.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole caucus system is also a little weird...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to buy your way to the nomination when hardly anyone votes'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the "Occupy" ppls have an alternative system ? or anyone ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course they don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're an anti-everything brigade'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I considered that prior to the 2005 election in Norway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting, secrot ballots at primaries...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'secret'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting for the general, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really, really don't think mandatory voting would do a damn thing other than increase the amount of people who will vote for someone because he's cute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I estimated that if I got 50 friends to sign up as members of the progressive party, I would have 90% chance get to the top of their local list and so be elected to our parliament for 4 ys'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'instead, we should have voter exams, so only reasonably educated and knowledgable people could vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how the only realistic chance there is for winning is to be nominated by one of the two majors, they really ought to have secret ballots and a rigorous primary system'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep just more informal or donkey voters turning out '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I kinda like proportional representation better although I'm aware it has flaws as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'PR doesn't work unless you have more than 2 viable parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but one of the issues with two-party is that they cater progressively more and more to the extreme ends of the extremes '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, mandatory voting would at least make politicians pretend to care about the other half of society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does take alot of the showbiz element out of it '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but I think it could help with breaking the two-party stranglehold.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how did there end up only 2 parties in the first place ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would also crack the dominance of major parties by sharply reducing strategic voting'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'network effects/economies of scale'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'same reason there's only 1 auction site on the web that anyone uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one additional advantage of proportional representation/electing a list of people/several parties is that it becomes much harder to buy enough politicans to write the laws you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no reason to fear splitting the vote if you vote third party, with instant runoff'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet those same pressures have yet to give the same results in other contries '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'assassination of political leaders is thus the lesser of two evils'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '???'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, in an exit poll in Iowa, more people who voted Romney considered themselves "Liberal" than any other'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tinada'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing special (good or bad) about the number 2, but most countries with a meaningful scale have settled into very few parties that matter because of those same pressures'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'restricting campaign funding would also be a major reform reducing pressures towards major parties...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'could you restrict a media baron from telling his empire to report on a certian candidate a certain way without infringing freedom of speach?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Romney makes it clear that he is for relaxing cross media ownership laws and so Murdoch paints him as the good guy- for instance - or example=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could be made illegal yes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only a free speech issue if you restrict individual journalists'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I saw a survey of CNN viewers vs. non CNN viers asked about the first desert storm , the results in terms of differing opinions was pretty stark '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, preventing the guy at the top from dictating what his subordinates can report on is a plus for free speech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cool , not really sure how constitutional law works '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US constitution is a different kettle of fish'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what I was saying using the desert storm war questionare as an example is that may already be happening '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if that is the case then funding caps may not be the panacea either '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if journalists and consumers of a certain persuasion gravitate together, it isn't a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'here the gov funded press is left and the commercial press is right .. lol sorta balanced'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'within the bounds of the law, actually it quite does'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'over here guys...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's one }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Zade you're worried about the enviroment, how many bottles of water do you purchase in a month and then toss away in the trash, do you recycle, does your country have a recycle program, and I see you are worried about a father correcting his daughters actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I actually seen the youtube show of this and I think he was correct, he should of taken her phone and iphone or whatever phone and shot those also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'You fail to realize she is a child under his care until she is of age, whatever country.  So I see he has a say in how he raises her.  I seen the video and find that she disrespected her parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the people on gossip are boring they won't change the subject to  Illuminati '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol can't resist - if this kid thinks this at 16 something was broke a long time before her being grounded the first time imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'That's because the Illuminati control the gos channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'from what I seen he punished her for a bit for the same behavior.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'The Illuminati made that comment go to the wrong channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'And yes I brought this to Debate as Oladon requested to go to this channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I think the father was correct in what he did.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'fucking communists Illuminati wankers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Alestorm I have no idea what you are talking about, but that is okies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'I'm debating about myself with the illuminati'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'so what is the illuminati?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'someone must be bored'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're on the losing side of the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'who Biker?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the one debating with himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'oh, Alestorm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'when i debate with myself it turns into a fist fight'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Trisha giggles Noose, I hope you don't hurt yourself very much.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'then i dont talk to myself for a whole week'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but do the other voices give you the silent treatment as well?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the illuminati is a secret society that believes in new world order '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'no they just taunt me for losing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'well I don't know anything about all that, but I am sure I can look up info on Ill whatever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'trisha: think the National Treasure movies & Dan Brown books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Illuminati is a myth (or at least a safely-dead movement from the Renaissance) in real life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'they must be real, I have read about them in a book'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real version was just a secret group of scientists trying to protect their work from the knowledge-destroying hands of the then all-powerful Church.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'They are The skull and bones society'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'they're real'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'have you ever seen the pyramid on the american one dollar bill?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: '????'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, that's a masonic icon called the All-Seeing Eye.  The Pyramid itself is an ancient egyptian thing created by the Stonemasons, a unionizing group formed up in said empire to ensure quality work and fair compensation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snigger quietly, wondering who will make a fuss over it.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OMFG .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you forgot safe working conditions'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Nod nod, but  have you ever googled the words around the pyramid'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Novus Ordo Seclorum= New order of the ages and funny enough it is the motto of the university of yale where the Illuminati recruits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a study found that our opinions about climate change are based on how much our leaders agree with each other on the subject.  For example, if politicians are split 50/50 then the rest of us will also be split 50/50.  Facts apparently do not play any role in the forming of such opinions, one way or the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just have the best one on F9 but I remember 7/60 45 etc just incase I get an invun mob '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wait , there is another red channel !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, didn't see anything on imm...must be a custom colorset :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doh, forgot about classchan'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Topic: "Quantum Computing" may be used by Christians as another "proof" that God exists: "Intelligent Quantum Computing"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if so, God's not very good at it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God is in every Quantum, doing the calculations"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Is the spear of destiny buried in an antarctic museum?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'noah wyle has it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's Satan, Zade.  The Devil is in the details, not God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not perceive at this stage how quantum computers are able to coax answers out of quantum particles -- GIGO  garbage in garbage out
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Hombre del Saco stole it and tried to bring forth Mammon with it.  He and Gabriel were not counting on Constantine committing suicide again, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quantum computers aren't able to coax answers, that's the issue ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only thought machine's will ever have is that which humans placed there looking from the outside in at the inside out perception of themselves projected into mathematics and science, durably against those they consider the majority who they are smarter then, since their creation is of a superior mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're stupid no matter how smart you make them'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, they can, it's just that it's both all the right answers and all the wrong answers and we cannot tell which is which.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whenever I think about quantum computing, I picure Q-bert running around inside the computer case'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're a long, long way from even attempting to solve for the divide by zero problem that comes up with the absence of a particular qbit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jumping on all those Q-bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't mean that this material is mindless though, i can see intelligence everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc yells to get away from the snake!
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's essentially what it is, except that every time Qbert jumps all squares can potentially flip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'talking snakes are common on tv now, geico uses those gecko's instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one of my buddies is a research fellow playing around with quantum computing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'these quantum things are soo small.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a polynomial-time algorithm for factorisation on quantum computers...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you're selling maxxed eq, just say you're selling maxxed eq, don't blow smoke up our asses with 'overmax' and similar garbage terms, thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a cheery good day to you, too :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'score :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mis chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know why, but I watch these SWAT shows and I find myself hoping the bad guys win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swat shows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Get a 20mm gun and aim it at the door, bet the SWAT team's armor and shield won't stop those rounds.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Of course, good luck sneaking a 20mm gun into your house.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats assuming you're not disoriented by the flash bang :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's 20mm in old money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '20mm is 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a cannon caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so roughly 50 cal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_mm_caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 cal is aroun 13mm, 20mm would be a cannon, not a gun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had a gun of that type, it's unlikely they wouldn't know...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '20mm is cannon already.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'in partcular, the photo at bottom shows .50BMG vs 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '.50 caliber is 12.7 mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a 2 cm gun is around .80 calibler'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'caliber*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calibre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those rifle's put too much power into a small number of hands.. it's not only your good guys who have them, and people who deal in such thing's typically aren't the best people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's Spanish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can't buy them at a hardware store, that i know of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't buy guns at hardware stores in civilised countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, 2cm guns are almost crew served'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's called 20mm, not 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if anyone is going to walk around the city with that kind of gun, would probably develop a hernia :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read this article about a grup of trible people under attack in south america, bbc reports, and because one seen a plane land at a landing strip, his whole village got massacred and him destroyed - now i wonder why this government doesn't plant some landmines or something on those landing strips, if they're not reporting on their own crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you call it 20mm I call it 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe bbc wonders the same thing, but knows the answer.. is it beyond a government to take proactive measures against people destroying a minority?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just while on subjet , watching the first Rambo movie , He running round firing an M-60 one handed.. possible irl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to call it *a* 2cm gun is not wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not saying carry that cannon around, just get a couple via the black market or whatever and aim them at your warehouse doors'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is Rambo :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Pigs burst in and get blown to pieces by cannon fire'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the intel agencies would have to be pretty incompetent not to notice those...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, they probably create significant RF interference when fired :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, they smuggle tons of cocaine and weed across the border, I'm sure they could sneak a 20mm gun or two'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want a 20mm cannon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like the idea of a world like canada where they find a bazooka in the b.c forest with a instruction manual, those things can get in you know?  and then these things are only in the hands of a few, and the citizen's are at the mercy of the cops not working for their boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, they probably miss run of the mill handguns all the time, but moving around a gun of that type without detection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were a point to it, probably.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To destroy the cops when they raid your warehouse :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '30-06 singleshot knocks me over Rambo nearly 3 times the size firing roughly the same calibre but auto , hmmm ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prohibition of weapons itself might solve some violent crime's, but that doesn't make them unavailable for the sources of most of those crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but you don't grow guns in the fields and pack them into bales...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They could get them from the Central American hellholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 Equalizer should do the job nicely :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know, I'm just supposing here.  And like I said, if they can smuggle hundreds (thousands?) of tons of drugs, a small cannon wouldn't be hard, especially if shipped in parts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I guess if you knew how to assemble it in that warehouse you're imagining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 is 25mm, not small, not for carrying around, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'same argument would apply to smuggling a chemical  weap etc , the chatter would be the impedament , not the actual smuggling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, if you are speaking anti-personnel, you want something like a grenade launcher anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're starting to assume all sort of crazy expertise in the fields of smuggling and weaponry, why not build a rail gun or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not portable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then your pretend rail gun can blast the pretend agents storming your pretend warehouse...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Railgun is too advanced, 20mm has been around for years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine nearly every border is guarded by a person at one point or another, who is on another contract that doesn't defend that border against his people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the pretend blasted friends will come in with tanks and the warehouse is history :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20mm, the New vulcan salute =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the surgeon general not doing his job, that's a pretty big job, when it comes to some things - and the premier's kissing oil's ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I'm just saying I sometimes wish the bad guys would win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being a head of state isn't being a leech on a black ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only the borders with non-lily whites, Druzil. The canadian border is not guarded.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're smart/rich/well-connected enough to smuggle such a gun, I'll bet the feds are already wacthing you anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'im they are ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't understand that though, their jobs are mundane'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I usually root for the bad guys though, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the ones in their borders making sure that only crooks that murder the place get the jobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're a politician your job's to prevent those things and destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I bet you flash gang signs around. 'Cuz gangbangers are kewl'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can you buy 20mm ammo from walmart?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you down with that, cuz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember milo minderbinder, the guy who contracted with the nazis to bomb his airbase and his allies to defend it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bringing a .22 to a 20 mm fight ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who make a joke out of politics today are servants of the reason life is denied to most of it without rent'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not much fundamentally different from this world and the world of 1932'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's good for M&M enterprises is good for the country, because everyone has a share!'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was a great book...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was on our secondary school reading list'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a .22 shooter vs a .45 shooter... if the .22 shooter gets his rounds off first there will be 2 dead otherwise just one and it won't be the .45 shooter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should either stop allowing weapons contractors to develop new weapons, with science not releasing new research to be used in those weapons (like stealth ping, lcd dynamic visual cloaks, heat shields)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats stealth ping ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol hold on , help file :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't shield them, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easy to develop a computer with your mind that calculates the distance from reception to deliverance, the size of your uboat for instance, and send the signal out the other side at that strength, transmitting in reverse the signal gained from whatever information you wish to transfer to the weary warship'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and visual cloaks, here's a pixel and a camera, on the other side of this circle is the opposing pixel and camera'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like a mirror that's not there, put those together and there's two informations released by science daily that they have in the works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'building new weapons and stuff like that, can't even see they're there'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't make them, but science releases that information for all to see, and what do weapons dealers and tyrant military's use science for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with cloaking devices is that you can't see either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who was it poisoned Whitney Houston?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You must develop these sciences  (ty for the stealth ping info) The imperative comes from your enemies ability to develop these new techs '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible with the resources to make stuff like that, just saying, like you can almost narrow down visual imagery point matching guidance system's on bullet's that they already made or are making considering a nintendo duckhunt gun and how it tells the screen that it hit a duck'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the sciences are already developed for 2-4 years publicly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that chinese submarines can pop up without prior warning around american military vessal's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might already be using stuff like that, who knows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could you detect something like that?  distortion in surrounding space and comparison of angles is the only things i could think of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fish swim round subs ? track them instead ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reverse depth charges are neat too, they have the water pressure set as they're chained to the floor of the ocean, and once released the pressure decreases until they explode near the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you detect it because its presence removes the natural background radiation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen those on a video once and figured that's some crazy stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it'd be nice if people weren't killing people all the time forever, or at least having the means to take on anybody who tries to trespass against you fairly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's all hogwash, and they play take the candy from the baby forever, why everything's so centralized'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How  shall I kill thee... Let me count the ways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure Pope had that in mind when he wrote that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's applicable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well we do breed like rabbits , I guess war is humans natural selection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were 2 humans left, one would try to kill the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only if they were both Alphas imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or one had what the other wanted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the public information out now and the amount of minds (7 billion human) in the world, it's impossible without the world already being conquered that several opponents of genghis khan innovation wouldn't have already risen against the only one who has these thing's, and i assume that one supplies all the rest of them on some level'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, they'd screw each other first.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and anyway , all higher order mammals are hardwired not to kill their owm speices when sorting out pecking orders ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put this and that together, melt that into this, dig up some of that, yadda yadda, done, it's unthinkable that those foreign governments aren't all working for the same people your local government is - otherwise they'd show some pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok. If you say so :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol right there Majic - prison sex is just another pecking order issue imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly you're implying we're not yet higher order :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker )
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you like that ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see many independent governments around, canada's money is owned by greece's money for instance, if greece across the ocean a little land less than the size of one canadian territory and supplying nothing compared to canada to the world to use'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are the only species that seeks to undo that hardwiring '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'goes into bankruptcy, then the canadian dollar goes down - that's bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you like good morning tokyo?:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's world dominated government illusions'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like illusions much, they're like santa clause written in c'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you still know there's some assembly required'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is very Buddist - the whole Maya world of illusions we live in =D'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'heard mayans did friendly sportwars, lived well but then one warlord decided to stay in a conquered village.. a few months later they were all gone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol cute parable Rabbit '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'they dug up a mayan stone stairs that had a.. history carved in the steps. it was in a documentary:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's a very real possibiliy that canadian finances are handled by somebody from europe, and the people in canada who defend the bullshit - how much raw minerals canada sends to the rest of the world compared to how it's not the most wealthy nation on earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are all members of his special club'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Herr Banken Direktor? :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the BP bullshit, here's a british petroleum company drilling off the coast of america, which consumes 80% of canada's yearly oil exports (sends them elsewhere under a new brandname?)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the blowout preventer gets sent to norway for their professional opinion, while they install one on discovery channel in alaska'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's american corporations which are owned by a corporation which build something then abandon it instead of the more costly cleaning it up'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and exxon valdez is a surviving example, in 1989 they receive a 20 billion dollar grievance allowance, in 2005 the supreme court slashes that to 500 million, after exxon paid a total of 500 million up to that point 19 years later'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the FDA's members are stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heard about that in the story of one scottish independent study on just how deadly GMO foods are, one of the two scientists got assassinated in year 2000'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pointed out the details missing from the reports for approval and faulty research by the corporation and their researchers, pointing out hypocrisy in members of the FDA'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who along with the supreme court's judge were stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monsanto's like some kind of modern day version of satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is this the not man who deceived nations?  they said in the side of the pit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly they made their name like mon-santo, man-santa-, man-satan, they're a man-made satan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure are crooked murdering liar cowards'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think of satan, my version of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'd genocide your country without prior planning if they knew nobody else would see it how it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you were a undesireable weed on their patented soil'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that evil died with hitler and stalin's just an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't really think anyone believes that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same mindset's that developed those individual avatars of itself exist today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of people with lots of money who wouldn't hesitate to do just what they did once they were sure their hiding places were sealed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb we all know they'll end up at the Mt Rushmore bunker !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most country's probably got at least one'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel wonders if every home should have one 
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'human mind is twisted by nature. trickster is our evolutional tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably, with lots of supplies and preparations - but that would be against the doctrine of nation of docile sheep for the foreign wolf'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to pick off at will, pacified with false security'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you built a bunker you'd have to contend with mineral rights and the government would have to know what you're doing there with coordinates - and those they log into a database which is accessible by your enemy'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the less than functional nature of the average backyard bunker perhaps that would only enhance the false security '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say spain's sin was preparing a censor of how many jews were in it's border's during world war 2's day's, now all minority's are logged and that information centralized to your enemy's disposal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a normalized sin, that's weird isn't it?  how does that slip the criticism of the history teacher?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'more than that , data mining by private companies does the same thing '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this enemy you can only learn about by studying what's not parallel to what is, imagination is sometimes neccessary '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and camera's in your playstation 2, the government doesn't require a surgeon general's warning on every telecom advent, this camera may be remotely accessed by your enemy and information on you and your family logged in a central statistical repository, where not tested on animals has no boundaries because you're supposed to be stupid - panopticon'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, there's a fun game, dance with fake friends on the screen, written in C - and don't focus as much on why the real thing is so inaccessible and cumbersome'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing new, most religions bait you with thoughts of what if, yeah what should, and then or else you will burn in hell after they captured your attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess we should expect that big brother is always watching and act  accordingly rather than be naieve about it '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz spellin'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this same technique isn't applied to these machines though - that's why you need an imagination to see it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this all sounds pretty blah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'care to expand on that Tiges ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't understand the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't really following it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now these machines save lives, alot of it could have been done mechanically - but mechanics are not remotely accessible and too easy to comprehend in their non-metaphysical design, metaphysical like these letters on the screen are letters, but underneath they're a integer, and under the integer is some binary digits, and under those is some electricity and circuits transmitting this information around'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wager that alot of the goood things you get from these could have been done mechanically, and that was sabotaged because they weren't made for fun at all - like religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you choose to use technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less people understand these in their entirety than a car engine without computers'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those you could fix yourself , possibly even make yourself, these it's not possible though'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you choose to use the bank too'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not be paid in cash by your boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you're aware you don't understand it, and are aware of the position that puts you, you should be fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's a problem is the blind assumption of technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and furthermore, what's the solution?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'integration, derivation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't change people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'understanding is an opportunity for an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you say 'back to the land, and plow with animals', you're a fool. a) society won't go that way and b) I really, really doubt you have a good idea what it's really like. :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can educate those so inclined ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reversing the psychological programs installed over the last 1000 years or more and making people think about everything relevant to their lives instead of systematically taking it for granted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone is suggesting that all technology is dumped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone was the other day :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't think something's a life or death situation and there's no sugar to take from it they don't do nothing about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people, some are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no , course not, technology can be a good thing - depending how you use it and what the limit's to that use are'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the "everything is relavent" sounds more like a "Be Here Now" mantra. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but it's larger than just an awereness of tech imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if there's more sugar in no solution but in pretending you're looking for one, then one won't ever be found'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cancer research is probably mostly like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if most of the scientists think they're really doing their job's, the material's they're given might be collaberated through a proxy, who makes sure some material's weren't discussed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and 7 billion people on earth, emphasized that doesn't sound like much of a reason to find a cure'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a cure for a few people, but not for the public'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a huge flu outbreak would be good'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wipe a few billion out'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo (and a very base one at that) cancer research and longevity are intertwined , I think the powers that be are Very interested in the research '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cancer's one of the few large-scale killers of comparatively young people left -- and the diseases that naturally result from your body grinding to a halt in old age or the diseases that result from lifestyle choices are much harder to treat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they're looking at a gene from lobster that causes their dna to be repaired rather than degrade over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they manage to harness that, even old age will be stopped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if every male/female on earth had 1 kid this generation, the population would be less than 1/7 of it's current size in 80 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dramatic reduction of population would be less preferable to stable and gradual decrease'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this generation and future generations? and do you mean one child per couple?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's policed though, people probably used their heads more and didn't slot machine their way through candyland back before this modern society existed, so they would naturally regulate their breeding more often than not'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a culture, they had moral's and shared workloads in a day to consider'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'drastic reduction leads to horrendous demographic imbalance, really. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how utterly rubbish world powers are at doing anything, best we can hope for is that empowering women brings birth rates down to around 2 and that the population then stabilises in about 20 years time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the one child policy has not gone so well for China ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no shared workload today, and moral's are how much it's worth to you'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'naturally regulate their breeding my ass, their sprogs tended to croak early from childhood diseases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's needed is a culture shift wrt kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easier said than done, especially given how half the planet is ruled by religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other half by ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other other half by greed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the same half perhaps ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses society was culted by money - it's written right there in deuteronomy, that's 3500 years or more ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sodom and gommorrah were maybe stories he heard from egypt while there, but before then, and before the first modern culture like those there was real cultures more than likely'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in a lot of places now, children still die young from preventable diseases, and there's no retirement planning etc. other than 'have enough kids that one lives to take care of you''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the woman is essentially worthless other than popping out kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i quote you on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care if modern history doesn't teach of any free people with a brain, who were free to think and worked together, that's all unconfirmed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'women's empowerment (seriously! it's the number one thing that reduces birthrate), reduced childhood death rates will both seriously contribute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contribute to decreasing birth rates, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'raising the level of education in doveloping countries has been imo the best form of birth control on a large level '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always ancient history mentions the great king, instead of seeing the story from the eyes of a common person or slave'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc this is the funniest moral debate ever:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like aristotle and plato for that, most historic author's who people worship as god look like probable trash to me, judging from those who rule the world today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, especially for women tzad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they've brought education and empowerment to women in north africa and parts of india they're reduced average births to a woman from 6 to 2.4'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there is sound evidence that it works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works in those countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for developed countries you need a different approacjh'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. if the woman can contribute with an external job, instead of just housewifery and producing sons, it provides a strong incentive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the developed countries are under or at replacement rate last I checked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 300 years the only thing you might be remembered for is michael jackson, your whole lifespans was michael jackson to the historian in 3 centuries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for westernised societies, you have to make it socially irresponsible to have many kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there just isn't the move for that atm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he teaches it to 800 million children, who know about michael jackson on the jeopardy clue, it's who they came from'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't need to make it socially irresponsible. the people who care about social responsibility are already low enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'need to make it not worthwhile to pop out a bunch of kids and have the state pay for them, you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would removing procreation as a right and making it a privellage work ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how history works, it's mostly bullshit, and not allowed to survive if it tarnishes the image of the future's ability to do as they did to you, to their new people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's enough laws in this world for a 100 planets'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just a lil pissed off at ( I forget the Starling term) but you know the type '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice that on holocaust and world war 2 history shows they don't discuss the difference between the mindsets, use of media, measures against the realization, common understanding of the philanthropical views of the time for discussion, and what's being done to combat the repetition, with evidence in the world of that occurring'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't  , so why is that?  do they think thoughts aren't free and the minds of those people weren't thinking?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they want people to understand the core of the flesh that followed it, or just the flesh that followed it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that they are not free thinking is the core of the Nerionberg defence '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz again spelling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can be any kind of skin person variation on the world and have the exact same thought as another - you can even both choose to act or not to act on it - why aren't things like that given more criticism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also wotsisfaces experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'milgram?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a percentage, somewhere in the 60s, will follow orders until they administer the shock marked 'fatal', upon prodding from authority figures. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just read the Milgram experiment findings , TY for that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so while it's nice to believe 'those were nazis and we're better' -- we're not, really, on average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's possible then that hitler actually had people killing people because they're of a certain race, with no underlying theological aspect within the minds of others beyond serving the master?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to that reasoning i mean, 60% is more than 40'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the experiments are extremely disturbing, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the surface you still need to have some sort of justification , however flimsy imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but they continued with the researcher saying 'you must go on' etc. -- not even for anything ideological.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, once you've gone beyond a certain point, stepping back is nigh impossible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep sorry , not in terms of the experiment I mean in it's implementation in the real world - you need a cover story '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but 'they're jews and they're taking our jobs' worked -- hell, if you started rounding up illegal immigrants in america i bet you'd get enough people in general to run concentration camps. not necessarily people here, but enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can go further with this , make the individual commit an act reprehencable by societies standards , ahilianating them from the norm. Like mass genocide or killing your parents in the case of recruiting child soldiers '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to combat naziism and other forms of occult government you have to mortify the leader in the minds of the follower's, so they each consider his words and don't follow blindly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as one assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's understandable why they leave it off the history channel if so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you suggesting critical reasoning be taught in schools Dru ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it would be good, i went to 6 schools in my early days, and one of them had a verified pedophile as it's principal, he didn't molest me and i didn't witness anything except my own judgement of his character, and this was reinforced by the witness of a female student, and nailed a few years later on the CTV news in a story where he ran away from school with a girl his daughters age'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by doing so you remove the smoke and mirrors trick that is advertising and subsequent consumerism, dangerous talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as responsible society of adults you want to equip your new minds against those predator's don't you?  so what if one of them becomes them?  then the rest of them aren't blind'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's me, somehow i can smell evil people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as the sex offender is predatory and preys on the young so does they consumer culture imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the consumer *'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'm&m's commercial doing naked chocolate m&m's now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stripping naked normalized to the unsuspecting viewer waiting for hockey again , thinking i want som m&M's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of which, schindler was an opportunistic businessman before he blew his fortune saving people... wonder if you could've decided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as with Bill Gates "The Philanthropist" '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people behind m&m's commercial's i would have on a watch list if i was the king of the land'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that little bit of corruption into one mind at school, who has 15 friends, who have 15 more, then - dynamic seeds of corruption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were I king of the land they would be on my pay role .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you never know... the nice guy next door may sell you out while that slimy businessman turns out to be a saint when it comes down to the crunch...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did they ever develop these strange habits?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a god from the m&m studio actually has a longer reach than people care to acknowledge'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, carnegie was a complete and total asshole before he went philanthropic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand some marketing, but it seems like a cult to me as it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Help !! Dru can smell my evil !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to tell who really has the mental strength to resist the political winds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can't sell things for how they are then they're not worth buying in the first place, since the businessman obviously didn't put much thought into them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and although we'd all like to think we do, you can't know until you reach there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tween culture is a pretty good example of a "created need"'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's wrong with chocolate?  i like chocolate - i find the cartoons on tv trying to sell me theirs offensive'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chocolate is disgusting, blargh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care what company sells my chocolate, as long as they don't poison it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tzad, hell, iirc raising the mandatory attendance age was part of creating jobs for ex-soldiers ...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at a 50 cent music video, are they trying to tell people to go beyond the shit they see on the screen because being a criminal isn't great, or something else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends is a teacher -- he had a dad lecturing him about not reminding the kid enoguh about his homework assignment, i.e. 'my son is a child! he doesn't know what's good for him! you need to keep up with him and remind him DAILY about his homework!''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they say his mtv studio is protected by homeland security, what are the government doing there, if his message is to break their laws?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his son ... is fucking EIGHTEEN.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'last I checked, homework is supposed to be done at... well... home'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm 19 and I don't get my butt kicked for not doing homework etc , I get kicked for low grades '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where the parents are and the teachers aren't...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if the kid was five, it wouldn't make sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell tzad, it wasn't even that he wasn't kicking the kid's butt, he was kicking the teacher's butt and saying it was his fault for not reminding his high-schooler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just another reason why I'm not going to teach high school :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the exact opposite of that is what they're tellin people, maybe the homeland security agent's don't realize that and they only protect his main moneymaker because their boss says it's the place to be - like you mention this nazi 60% theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's one kid who might not make it through college...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep "It aint my job" mentality , OK parents get a bad rap for lots of stuff but it is a HUGE job - more should take it seriously instread of palming it off into society / police / teachers etd '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody should really do some investigating and figure out what's going on, because something like that happens again'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well in some cases it is the teacher and in some cases it is the student/parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he had a different parent telling him that if he just took ten minutes a day to actually teach his kid one-on-one the kid would do better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is, it's a class of like 30 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who dumb down the public, and normalize deterioration i find offensive, they're like the enemies of the sun, mister smithers incarnate'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr...Smithers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have drug-melded the Simpsons and it makes me sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki Lives ! in the red no less !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I came back after 5 minutes...and for THIS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mister burns with his roof on springfield, maybe the spring is a water metaphor and the roof is a filter cleaning out the supply, chlorine gas used in warfare is a eye opener, used in water treatment is a strange idea - maybe in limited application it would have been believable, but like this?  '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr *BURNS* blotted out the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the scottish and germans are both reported as having used that chemical warfare in world war 1 - causing asphyxiation and eventual death in all of them people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or perhaps it was just a funny thing to have happen on a cartoon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now, think of a foetus in it's mother's womb who's boiling up a cup of tea, how that little bit of gas she's breathing enters into her baby's bloodstream and what possible retardations this could cause?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would anyone watch the simpsons if it were not written on a few levels ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol scratch that ... sigh .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'through flesh too, absorption is possible, drinking, evaporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's asthma possibly, other things, maybe chloroform comes in when bacteria is mutated'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a anaesthetic, possibly resulting in seizures and other mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody ever made the simpsons look so bad as me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've got a mind like a nihilist though, it's stuff to consider and verifiable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Chillin like a Nihillind =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'So I'm guessing  abig Nietzche fan too then ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i make an issue out of it so much, because it exists, is quite possibly a contributor, and nobody else does, i never even heard about half the shit i discovered until i looked for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where people are focused on what they do today, i'm seeing if people do this today, what will be in 100 years?  what's eventual?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, I was reading the wiki article on gas warfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't do much myself, kind of live like a hermit - but i did alot of thinking over the years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'apparently when chlorine was used at ypres a canadian medical officer, who was also a chemist, identified the gas as chlorine and recommended the troops quickly urinate on a cloth and breathe through it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'moreover the conections between apparently dispirate pieces of info is truly individual and requires focus '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the NH4 fixed the Cl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if something's evil, it's got a common source - maybe it's like a base human nature for defying nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clever of the medical officer, i'd rather breathe urine than chlorine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in demon's though, so everything being of human origin or other lesser beings isn't a requirement to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I remember something about charcol peach pits ? gas masks ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the canadian medical officer dousing rags in urine and covering soldiers faces'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was disgusting, but so is killing people with chlorine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey, i would much rather have urine on my face than chlorine in my lungs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm kinda the opposite there , I believe in innate good in mammals '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes humans included '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, one of the summer projects I did was on the evolution of altruism. there's some fascinating research out there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reciprosity and alturism are found in all higher order mammals and are both naturally selected for '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the basis for our criminal and commercial laws too '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder if we were to pare civilization back and apply just those 2 principles and build from there we would get somewhere better than what we have now ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whos for joing a commune ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they don't damn well work. we have some altruism but we also have a healthy dose of 'why should i work for him' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats where you gotta have a good cult leader to run your commune !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so this sort of obvious source of evil and social charm in dictatorship is being upheld by the fear of the modern government in exposure by their new found individual populations, if i was in on the meeting's the conspiracy theorists discuss of billionairres discussing the population crisis, i would probably point out that surviving evil if i wasn't a part of it as the mainstay reason for the in the likeness of in all underneath, the replacements'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cause of why so many in the first place, always a coward hiding behind the blind eyes of the 60'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always consider that shit when i watch tv, i was amazed at first how many thing's follow those same guidelines, but it's become expected now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn Dru that took a few readings .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, using in the likeness of as a word messed it up a bit :0'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i couldn't think of a replacement for that, genesis through the american idol'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big question , how do we "break out" of it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no easy answer to that, because each stage of it has it's own variable's to consider, and there's only a setting on course and no force driven solution if you want a long term solution that isn't volatile'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you think there is a "path of least resistance" solution ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says 'he who spreads great knowledge spreads great sorrow', i never found out the meaning to that yet, but if it means you're just pointing out what's already there and what's missing, then that sorrow already existed and was just being realized'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of what's missing, rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's solutions to most problems, short of death - i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe even somebody can solve that one, i don't limit anybody'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'JC would be proud !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bliss then Sorrow then ? "Removal of desire" "Individuation" "Christ Mind" " enlightenment etc etc ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says to eat that which is bitter and sweet in the stomache, and the wicked have their reward - like i mentioned earlier about how people won't do what should be done in the long run if they see more temporal pleasures to be gained from neglecting the problem and becoming a part of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or just a few gramms of Meth , psycosis and a machine pistol :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it has some wisdom in it, even if it's cryptic - i never understood why it's cryptic'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cryptic makes you work for it ? the answer is working for it ? The answer implicit in the form of the question ? like some Koan or sutra ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol quest time again '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'working for your own mind?  you can come to the same observation without any external mediation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more religious deviltry'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'give ya something to chew over on those cold monastry nights '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's a wonder to me, i don't have the answer because i don't know the mind of the author'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see alot of arrogance in the world though, making that the most probable assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a Gnostic Christian would say that the closer to understanding your self the closer you are to understanding The Author'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to hold a guilty until proven innocent stance in your mind, it's useful defense against deception, especially with all of the unknown qualities of the mind here in full experience'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The curse of the average occult student is gulability - A Crowley '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when considering thoughts and their holders, their source - judging situation's accordingly, i can judge nothing with my mind when i need to, a spectre of my subconscious possibly, but lots of people get fooled by their own mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL I got a B for yr 12 english last year ! my spelling is aweful!'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i listen to my thought's though , that's neccessary, just not being taken by them - and how to determine who's taking them otherwise - like when hearing of somebody being possessed by gabriel the angel and reciting the will of god'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does your mind know gabriel from satan?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of experience?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the devil does not know the Kabalah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats an easy answer '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the bible was as mystical to me as the devil once, hogwash, then i read it and experienced some living and both seem possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's their meanings?  the devil probably has alot to say to a real person'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'depending on your reconing the devil is in all of us and can talk to us '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or you could kick it oldschool and get out the classic circle/triangle evokation of Stan going =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just chant "Bloody Mary" three times while looking into a mirror.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible's reckoning is up and down to and fro in the earth, and we're in the world's body for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we DO NOT want to summon you Starling - the devil is bad enough !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'speaking of mirrors though try having a conversation with yourself in the mirror real fast and see what comes out - can be interesting '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i actually faced a possibility that the bible's entire god was people worshipping their own cleansing from the face of existance as we know it, which is all there is to know - atheist like but with religious inclinations, like some religion on the yin and yang god's, and revelation and divinity in this religion was fueled by people's faith in a good god who is their destroyer'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lake of fire things like that is pretty evil, there's a gnostic text somewhere where satan himself encases the fallen angels in these mortal bodies in the garden of eden, as interpretation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and this world we live on is being destroyed for a version of the cycle of life and death like jainism and hinduism buddha's 7 heavens is, while satan and his servants vye for position within this lower spectrum of existance, removing us, the mortal equation where their souls are eventually recycled and placed in one or another stage - with it's absence, securing their eternal rule'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it had alot of interesting details in it, well thought out by the author probably'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's possible, then satan the good or the bad or the ugly?  to people satan and god are as unknown as can be, but they have faith god is good and satan is evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the word saint evil has no definition, not even spiritual to most, as god, has no definition - they're hollow words holding a persons faith in their good or evil nature, and the churches of both do some abhorrent things on earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheists also do alot of evil thing's, so saying any generalization is good based on it's followers is apt to deflagration'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't know of that particular text ? sounds around the cloud of unknowing ? Interestg way to play with the idea of religion though, nice !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gospel according to mary magdelene maybe, or revelation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i found it two or 3 times but never again'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I always had a soft spot for Pratchetts Athiest god of evolution '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"He is right of course. Some people think that gold is a good investment because it has retained its value (measured in agricultural land) for centuries. That is all the proof you need that the investment is stupid. The agricultural land had a yield all that time. The gold probably got stolen - and had no yield." - some fund manager'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't invest in gold to make a profit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Willie Sutton robbed banks because that is where the money was. Now the money is on Wall Street. If Willie Sutton was reincarnated he would come back as some Wall Street scumbag (or an investment banker). And on Wall Street he would almost certainly not be prosecuted. People who rob banks get prosecuted. People who steal via the stock market not so much." -same fund manager'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this guy's sure got a sense of humour...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is his name gordon gecko?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Show a man how to rob a bank and he will go to jail, give a man a bank and he can rob the world.  That is a quote from some other site I looked at.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"PS. Positions: no gold. Long companies with high levels of management integrity and decent valuations. Short scumbags, slimeballs and villains. Names can be left out of this piece. " - said fund manager's disclaimer'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny title too! "Stocks: you can fondle them and they might put rohypnol in your drink and steal your wallet. A comment on Warren Buffett's recent fortune piece."'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and stop upsetting Starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Man, just saw some video from Syria. Can you imagine having a tank rolling down your city block and shooting at people less than a block away?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a terrible kind of life to live isn't it?  i'm not sure the problems will ever be solved'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's not like we don't have the solutions, we're not ignorant, just incapable atm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'saddens me, i have online friends over there and surrounding areas, its hard on them'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'On an ironic side note, kudos to Al Queada.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Their "leader" has publicly encouraged all Muslims to defend the "rebels" (citizens).'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol well freedom fighters is what we trained and gave them all those weapons to be, when they were fighting for thier homes against pakistan back in the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at Khaim.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or somethign like that :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Funny how freedom works eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol indeed so'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The terror..er..freedome fighters...er...wait..uh..WMD!'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"Is American Idol on yet, my brain hurts?"'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol you read like a bill hicks clip'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'googling...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you say stuff like that and you dont know who bill hicks is? XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you are in for a treat my friend'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, he's one of those "common sense" lunatics.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol hes a standup comedian, dont take him too seriously till you have seen a good body of his work'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but i could see him saying your exact words if here were alive today'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I just watched it...That was a joke, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"How do we know Iraq has WMD? Oh, we looked at the receipt."'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim )
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim )
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Invoice would be more accurate, but it's still true.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You gotta dumb down comedy these days. Some Americans wouldn't know what an invoice is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that like the thing schizophrenics listen to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'outvoices and invoices - seinfeld'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Wow, I bet Bill Hicks has a CIA file.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'he's dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but yes he probably did'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, I guess the CIA closed that file.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they probably got one on me too, crazy internet person task force, sip-tiff, ciptf'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im sure this place is many spies XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is some strange people forshizzle'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i study them as much as they study me'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You kidding me? Muds are a CIA plot to keep the masses distracted.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'these are not the spies yopu are seeking'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I guess that makes Lasher one hell of an operative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'warcraft and stuff are muds with graphics'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'reminds me of all the text stuff showing the engine of the game in baldurs gate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, Bill Hicks was from the Southern Baptist culture like me. I missed my calling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they really do collect the littlest detail of your interaction with a program and it's other people, they had over 17 terrabytes of information gathered from the game everquest'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that was small compared to world of warcraft, and likely unreal tournament'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems to me the only real difference without graphics is you can do alot of stuff really really fast lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I am ignorant to the graphical mmorpgs, but I assume they don't have the sense of community muds have.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i talked with nasa programmers on unreal tournament, one ran taffy's server - i guess they develop their guidance systems and the bot's custom ai's take on humans who play there'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'depends... i have been in some tight crowds in the newer games, but its the free easily accessed ones that really promote community'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why they bother who knows, they get millions of dollars of funding from darpa though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Just the simple sense of nostalgia that accompanies a text based game encourages an alternative approach to community I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. didnt know that druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it is strange isn't it?  not tested on animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did they know that?  right at that exact time with you predicting they would know that'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their program's can defy any mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, graphical games are much better training grounds for the Air Force I'm sure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but since they're based on the mind they're vulnerable to conforming to it's opposite'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's harder to affect a person unless you can engage all of their senses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle waits for smell-a-vision...
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while i'd say i agree with all of this mandatory sentencing without justification beyond the imagination of dictator and spying his own citizen's and those in neighbouring land's, that's what the purpose of embassy's and their observation of foreign culture are about, and there's that 60% who would do just about anything for dictator, and that hasn't changed since world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since they don't address the problem of problems here, when it comes to governments, then all of those other measures are tainted by their negligence'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're only justified in their courts, and those are as enticing as their members are'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course they want their courts to be the only courts so they don't ever get questioned , that's what war's are mostly about'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have the liscence to tresspass against whoever you want if you work for the government, that's a crime in itself, falsifying your idea of justice from the hands out'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What you're saying about social stratification seems legit, but from what I've learned it's a symptom of a different problem. Self-perceived and self-imposed sense of scarcity. Until we get a handle on harmonic existence, these sorts of people will always maneuver for an advantage on perceived finite resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Governments are inherently evil beings, they are just made up of flawed intellects.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'AREN'T rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government might be needed, but the idea of democracy is every adult member of a democracy has an equal say and their opinions are measured by other than money'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything is filtered through money, from your supper to your daily purpose in life'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Money is also a product of an economy based on scarcity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's worth more money isn't always best for your self, the same thing is true of governments, if people are braincells and their handlers are tumours'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and scarcity is because of overpopulation'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Scarcity is because of ignorance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see many tumours willing to relinquish the 60% blindly follow control over the masses that hitler passed on'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'firstly, there is a need to ramp up supply, but we need to grow in a sustainable manner'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'our constitutional republic was meant to protect the people from banks and old politics. it has largely failed. you are right druzil gov should have power over the people who fund it today, not us'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they rather a unthinking bunch of sheep who are easy to consume like cows in a field'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no input is required, how to make the living conditions in this fence better, and is it really neccessary?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people could survive on what they do in a day, if they didn't have money to take to a store to buy things?  they have no material substance that isn't fed to them like cows go to the feeder to eat'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess farmers are allowed to graze though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'nothing belongs to people anymore, even land'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's so much worship of this abstraction that the real thing is disappearing, like they don't plan on preventing the polar ice caps from melting, knowing what they're doing to cause it'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'there are restrictions to what you can do with your land and I'm sure those restrictions will only increase'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they never lived on a world where they didn't exist - they didn't invent this land'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well we can't be individually self-sustaining anymore. That is a product of population. As Jacques Fresco says, we will have to cooperate and share responsibilities and resources but we CAN be self-sustaining as a race if we try.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hard to live anywhere when one doesn't exist...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'To use a mud analogy: We need different classes to achieve all the goals here, pwars can't do all the enchanting, and pmages can't do all the tanking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, that is crap, shunting people into class will just create a tiered social system.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Are you responding to me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think you took my analogy a bit too literally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is a theory that has been in vogue for thousands of years, dividing the population according to skills or other attributes. De facto segregation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Anaristos, my argument would be that the only problem is imposing the separationg. Humans will develop unique interest and specializations naturally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'So as a society we should nurture and encourage that, not artifically impose it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, encouraging people to congregate rather than segregate would be more beneficial  short and long term. Though they would be harder to manage which is the reason why government (and other institutions) work constantly to move people away from each other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Congregation and specialization aren't mutually exclusive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'To your second point, that goes back to what Druzil was saying about governments being the instruments of those futily trying to control resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously not, but congregation is difficult to archive when external agencies are pressuring one to do otherwise. Since we exit the womb we are taught that it is "us" vs "them".'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't disagree with that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everywhere we go there is an "us" and there are "them".'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Too bad Jesus had to go and die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, why islam is being spread everywhere and people are afraid to say anything bad about it, which they don't fear about christianity - a centralized god concept with it's subdeviances, i don't doubt for a moment that some ruler is behind it's propagation, why they didn't use christianity is strange though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could be wrong, but that seems most likely to me, centralizing control, sacrificing the stragglers as casualties of the purpose of the centralization'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what would natural god concept be, maybe something you develop in your own mind?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life is the greatest thing i know of, without it death would starve to death'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your own mind's not centrally controlled that i know of - that's the purpose of religions as far as i can tell'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why ghandi makes the catholic priest look like a food for trying to call his religion greater than ghandi's while not explaining any rationale behind his claim's beyond it is written'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The idea that any of the major religions inherently exclude the others is also silly. In the beginnings they all generated from the same concept of social cooperation. Many of the Jewish rabbis taught the people who became Muslim Imams(sp?).'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's basically the same thing you're talking about the trouble of communication, fear of that trouble might be what these religions are about'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but without it, maybe things like the holocaust wouldn't have happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if every killer in a army was forced to develop his own justified universal hatred of who you call their enemy, after exposure to them being not as himself, a nonperson, then most of them wouldn't shoot at the other's, cause they took the law into their own hands instead of using them for somebody elses'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'racism helps'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'justified hatred and unjustified hatred, one of them's longer lasting than the other - and who the judge is is often not the individual themself, but somebody else in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You make me want to listen to "General" by Dispatch druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen a race of people on the entire world who i can say i hate them all'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you need to hate any?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause some of them do pretty bad thing's and their thing's aren't isolated to text like this, and they don't let that drag them down while they do it again, they even mock their victims'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If you don't know the song, and care, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JjlkfX5Gk'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they warrant my hatred because i wasn't given the same evil grace as them, i could call it a mental illness and not hate the retard, but these retards can run corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle tunes out for a bit.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, hating an individual is understandable, hating a group because of their race, creed, national origin, skin color, physical fitness or political or sexual orientation is not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and religion :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hating a group because of their philosophy is ok too, otherwise despising the nazi's in grade 10 english literature and constant reproach on television wouldn't be allowed'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when that philosophy is dangerous to other than a corrupt person'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you may hate the philosophy but hating a group is not ever in the best interest.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody's pure, but by corrupt i mean pretty corrupt, like murderer's'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some group's demand murder of their members, they're a part of their philosophy'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless they walk away from that i don't see any way i can not hate them, it takes effort then - and effort in not hating somebody is like holding up a imaginary fist against your true nature, which doesn't want to grant them amnesty from your inner self, which is justifiably against them for what they done'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that you can't assume that any individual of the group is a certain way just because of his membership. Though a river flows in a specific direction you cannot know without direct observation whether any particular drop of water is going in that direction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's good like that for dealing with them in the world most of the time, but some people exist that won't stop to fix a problem that means life or death in their immediate vicinity when they observe the victim is unduely being punished by a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't want to snap and go crazy in the real world, day's are filled with flaws and doing that can become on last obsession - but there's that instinct in everybody which tells them what should be done'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'denying that instinct is programmed over time into people, i observed it happen to myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when you see something like the gulf oilspill, and a pile of money, and some economic people discussing the solution - do you think bullshit with the 700 dollar perhour lawyer distributing the funds, or that's too out of my region, i'm not concerned with it - or yes, they're doing all they can do, all the know how?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when world war 2 was happening, having money wasn't neccessary for telling the citizen's serving mandatorily to build warships'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could clean up those problems by neccessity instead of money, always - money's a pretty old evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's hordes of peat moss located in my province they could have used to spread and rake and strain the oil isntead of sinking it - this method was both proven affective in norway, and not violating environmental protection acts which their dispersant did'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mentioned that over 30 times while it was happening and they didn't listen to me, but i know they could have cleaned it up alot better and because money was in charge they didn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'acts is all they are, pretending to protect the environment, they'll stage anything just to take the masses mind off of the reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't see any followups of the fforts to clean up the millions of fish in the mouth of the gulf of mexico'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mississipi*'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not a single one - that's quite the blackout'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how much powers the people behind the causes have over your government, which is like i said, a tumour as it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the body can develop an immune system against cancer, but science doesn't look promising'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thanks, though it is so obvious when you think about it that I doubt I am the only one who ever thought of it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what drives medicine is money, they'll find a way :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faulty immature logic --> defective sentiments --> bad advice --> innacuracy awaiting an audience --> gainsay echoed deviousness --> obfuscation --> smug self-satisfied fooleds and lackeys of the elders'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds like a bad childhood :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only thing immature about common sense is that it's not used enough to grow up'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing common about common sense, that is a miss-statement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to reason with the world is like trying to reason with the devil when you're already in hell, there's nothing he can do to you that won't be done to him'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'suck up to the killer, he likes that, it makes him kill'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do you proofread your utterances in hindsight or are you too smug self-satisfied and spent to look for the errors'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't see no solutions to the world's problems upcoming, man-made as they are - short of natural disaster's which are unpredictable'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally I don't believe in either absolute good or absolute evil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wait for the devil to manifest a mock and then reminisce on why i remembered'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in both'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to disbelieve'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mind's daunted by absolute truth's, i know about that'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to repudiate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there are no absolutes (in ephemeral existence)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there are though, relative to this place'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely -- most everything may be doubted'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's things you can see with your mind that might make you question the fabric of reality itself, leaving you afraid to dream and to live at the same time, and always just a realization away'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a pragmatic view, but mostly no absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're more than hollow fears like the word god - they might like gods without a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a neophyte, there is no reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most religion's had a non-physical basis to their existance, study from the mind - not all of them though, i can see intelligence in the space between me and any object, and sometimes i don't seem to be wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how can you see nothing like intelligence?  that's something i try to figure out, maybe it's just realizing that there's somebody there who isn't mortal like you'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'muhammed seen gabriel the angel who told him about god, and jesus spoke with elijah and moses'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'went to a spiritual mountain to hear from the spirit satan about his worship'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eligions are based on fraudulent deluded deceptive storytellers that preach lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if those things are ok in the world, so are their manifestation without a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are based on fraudulent deluded deceptive storytellers that preach lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all kinds of things, as long as they're not destructive to a person'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, all major religions are fraudulent '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i thought to myself that same what if, and seen my idea's of what would be the mind of it's creator'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there can't be a god, everybody worship's the lies i teach them'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so we have a atheist, or maybe devious theist reinforcing his faith -'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of death is natural, but we can obscure this with lies and make it appear like a crime against their person - '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and we're all in this same boat together -'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the answer to whether there is a god or not is likely to take an intelligent individual years of research to come to a new opinion (which may yet change)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that opinion will probably be strained by their desire to finish within their idea of a reasonable time, hasted towards a imperfect ending instead of left unanswered by their ability to demonstrate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ned'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of smug self-satisfied complacency whn doing research, or you may fall to the side in error'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of the books for sale are filled with that, it's why finding a good one is so special'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are neither man nor woman, they are neither brute nor human, they are ghouls and its their king who tolls...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do, for evoker int, str and dex as high as you can is the best way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the stats (and especially the hr/dr) are important but they won't serve you if the mob is immune.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'hmm how can the police suspend your license before your court date'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has poverty exploded under Obama?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'looks more alarmist in red anyway :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The is going to end and you may die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no may about it '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If you're very lucky, it might even happen in that order.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Err.  I meant to say 'the world is going to end''
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But 'the' might end as well.  Destruction is pretty universal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nah, you're fucked, I'm fucked, and everyone else on the planet is fucked, but when all is said and done there will still be a Planet Earth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given "the" is part of the world .. yep it will end with the world '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps even incorporating plastic in a new paradigm, Earth+Plastic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(Reuters) - Phil Angelides, the former chairman of a federal commission set up to look into the causes of the financial crisis, has stepped down from a group seeking to turn a profit by investing in distressed mortgages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no insider trading charges I bet .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Umm, the rich never prosecute their own :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Reuters reported a month ago that Angelides was heading a firm called Mortgage Resolution Partners, which had touted its political connections as part of its "secret formula" for negotiating deals to buy distressed mortgages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Don't you know by now????'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gee...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back in the old days, a rich like that betraying the citizens of the kings nation wouldn't be immune to the king - and the king has alot of connections'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol still a lil wet behind the ears here  , learning fast tho '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monarchy has some advantages, depending who the king is'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'takes loyalty and years of valuable service to be esteemed not worthy of betrayal though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'another benefit of monarchy is that the king was trained from birth for the job '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the first king's, they became that way by their peers'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least my government does arrest top officials from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'why let the damage to the ozone layer of needless solvent usage keep you from clean knees'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not the inference I was making...'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'you think that the blue dress wasn't dry cleaned (oops he was demo)'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'i think, therefore i am offended by the behavior of politicians and their sycophants'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats are republicans who found a more comfortable position.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'libertarians are anarchists who dislike chaos'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're librarians who found ET.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'fnord says they are all illumiati playing to our foibles anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fnord thinks light bulbs are illuminati.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the man's too paranoid for our own good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'that is enlightened thinking'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'how disappointing, I'd have atleast expected somebody to go on about how Valentine's Day shouldn't be celebrated because it's "Capitalistic". Oh well, I guess there are no other grumpy singles this year.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'Complaining about things being 'capitalistic' is sooooo Bush-era.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'Now everything is socialism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/152600/Americans-View-China-World-Leading-Economic-Power.aspx'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'democrats and republicans more likely than independents to believe US will be the leading economic power in 20 years. - gallup'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'electric cars are apparently more polluting than gasoline ones.  At least in China.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oil companie propaganda It's highly effective!'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing new there, really...they let you feel like you're doing something, but the lifecycle's never been great'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Companie? wow...that's a bad one'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's the link: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/uota-urf021012.php'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cover the car's chasis with velvet and have it run on static electricity :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Sony raised the price of Whitney Houston albums'
T3/r6/2012-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should Argentina be nuked into the stoneage for their attempted colonialism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(Reuters) - Italian police said on Friday they had seized about $6 trillion of fake U.S. Treasury bonds in Switzerland'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nice to see people think big'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '\o/ '
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not like you get lesser punishment with $1 treasury bond :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't all bonds electronic these days?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, nearly half of social security recipients say they have not used a government program. Likewise for those receiving unemployment benefits, and those on medicare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'wtf, humans don't always tell the truth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/March11/MettlerGov.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'this merits more research!'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even a quarter of food stamp recipients...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not the 'not telling the truth' but the perception of 'government program' that is interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people see those things as entitlements'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I know, but I couldn't find any amazing one liner sarcasm for that'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin meeps at Dispel Majic!
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get government out of social security! Government: get your hands off my medicare! etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government pays more on employing cops to plant cars in slums wiht no work opportunity and prosecuting the people born into no alternative gang banging, than they do in remedying the situation by providing jobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could write out a framework which would solve alot of problems, but it would cut organized criminals in parliaments paycheques a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a citizens allowance would solve a lot of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they assumed an extra government "program" other social security, uib, or medicare, since the doofus asking was supposed to know that they were already on social security, uib, medicare'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, they just assumed that he's talking about those slackers on (other government program) since they aren't a slacker ...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Q: "are your children on a government program"  A: "No."  Doofus: "but your children go to public school"'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and they eat public-school lunches'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might soon even be the case where you cannot send your child to school with a packed lunch, or that if you do it has to pass FDA muster lest you get called out for child endangerment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'school may be the most important gov't program, it probably even beats television for turning out docile worker bees who are reasonable competent at solving closed form problems and find meaning through consumption :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I saw another interesting article that said that rich migrants are far more likely to send their kids to public schools than rich american-born parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adults should be given $100 a week regardless of income or circumstancse :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why $100?  It's not enough to do anything at all with.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even minimum wage gets more.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what they give the unemployed here to live on'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not supposed to be a wage'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '100 a week is plenty for the very poor...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and minimum wage is something you can only get if you can get employment to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$100 per week may be enough for the experienced to eat and live in a box under the bridge in a warm southern climate'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you said regardless of circumstances.  Which pretty much means it wouldn't matter if you were a CEO or unemployed or the disrespected school janitor.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think even 200 a month would be well worth it, the government might even turn a profit from the decrease in crime.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '400 would probably have too many people screaming'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the poor are to rent a room, appartment, or house, a lot more more cash is required'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what do you think about the mom facing up to a year in jail and $1000 fine for making her son walk to school after being suspended from the bus 5 times?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, 4 people can rent a 1 bedroom apt. Better than sleeping on the streets...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would people be sreaming?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$200 a month is not enough for poor healthy recipients -- and those with medical conditions shall waste away and get sicker'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough for what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the idea of it is not for people to live off it'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then why waste money by giving it away to people it's not going to matter to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to help everyone who is hard up'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$100 a week isn't at all going to help that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every year, the amount of hard up people increases marginally'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would help me'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernutsd: enough to die on -- ah, that is your drift (Heil!)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen people who worked hard their whole lives and unemployment etc told them to fuck off'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just cause there's no more work'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you means test it, or apply conditionality, you get abuse and you get equality issues'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give a few hundred dollars to each person, and I'll bet the ultra-conservatives would flip...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$100 a week might pay for utilities, but then what do you do about rent, insurance, and transportation?  $100 a week doesn't help a bit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that worked hard all their lives were defrauded by the S&L scandal -- those that got rich from that S&L fraud voted for politicians that supported more deregulation'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '400x4 a month should easily cover utilities and rent for 4 in a small, cheap apt...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or even 400x2'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you intent on paying everyone's way?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the poor already get handouts from the governments in socialist countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the number of criminals who started out with a crime born of desperation, I'd bet the cost would be made up in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because the poor get money the rest don't that there exists social divides in socialist countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want there to be equality, then every needs to be treated equally'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they need to stop paying people to breed, it's absurd'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big debts that prior governments ran up to stay elected (are slurping up a lot of tax revenues and) are used to pay the rich that hold the debt a guaranteed income (since the USA is not likely going to default on the treasury bills)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of your parties have a plan to deal with your deficit'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way none of ours here'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the rich are handed the resources from the land for almost free, the rich get richer, and the poor are screwed'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is both the "deficit" and the "debt" as difficulties'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad the people can't agree on political reform'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Daily Show highlighted Leiberman as a selfish "crook"'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leiberman disliked reform based on obfuscation and feigned ignorance of what some words meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally find it odd, given you're supposedly the land of the free, land of liberty, that the only 'freedom' you protect is the right to bear arms, yet you don't offer the right to health and dignity, yet your parties are idealogically opposed to those with alternative sexuality, lifestyles, or religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the phrase "hypocrites' comes to mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leiberman, feigning ignorance of what some words meant, objected to reform on insider-trading liason associated with congress members'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is murder, yet allowing someone to die because they don't have healthcare isn't?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"hypocrites" are ot affectd by the label "hypocrites", so using that word is ineffective'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is not murder'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is elimination of an unwanted fetus'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is a predatory planet -- something somewhare gets eaten'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) there is a God, then most of the human race are viewed as selfish animals, especially the rich human animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'We were created in his image, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's being wealthy, and being so knowing what you take from others imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can empathize with the former more than the latter'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we weren't created in his image?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God" is over and above the "images" that evolved'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose that's what lots of people like to think...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, menstruation is a premature abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the better images may be indicative of the influence of  something, (and not necessarily of god)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is as real as pro wrestling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was possibly very deep'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tomatoes and potatoes'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not wrong on this one, Zade.  At best, God is classically real and totally unwilling to offer definitive evidence (ie, belief and hearsay).  At worst, we just totally made him up and did such a good job of it that practically everyone is invested in the idea.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to string theory, there may be myriad bigbang modeled universes, with evolving predatory planets -- and perhaps "God" may visit one of those myriad which indicate a potential viability --  and as for the other myriad predatory planets: godless, godforsaken, headed to the lake of fire (yep, all the religions are likely wrong where they preach salvation)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Hell is actual, and if anybody is "saved", they are saved for Hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Hindus preach salvation as non-existence, in the hope of avoiding the everlasting torments of existence'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'others believe in reincarnation, and crossing the river of life and deaht to reach immortality'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What if I believe in pasta-based divinity?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps endless reincarnation "immortality" is part of the everlasting torments of existence'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wht if you believe in lies .. then you are deluded'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'maryland'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol >>http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-bible-011457960.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's obviously based on the koran'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so ya, i bet this debate happens at least on a weekly basis in the marine corps.. why no women?? the answer I got from my CO was what I explained earlier.. studies show that well trained men who the gov. has spent a lot of money training break down like feeble children when they see a woman they care about get shot on the battlefield. just to put that question to rest XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shot men look good on tv for the polls...shot women, not so much'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that must only be true for US soldiers. Many insurgencies use women on the front lines. They are as entitled to fight for their freedom as men are. '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Insurgents typically don't vote.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is not the issue, the issue is that in the US the mentality is that women should be barefoot and pregnant, and not necessarily in that order.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you say that like it's a bad thing, ana :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Only because insurgents don't have TIME to vote. They're busy.. uh.. insurging.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's not a bad thing, really :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'different issue, women on the frontline has been outlawed by military institutions. but i think another interesting topic is found in the term 'insurgents' i would call them freedom fighters'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Also, wtf barefoot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you said yourself that they are fighting for their homes and lives'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyone else listen to that Dubya parody podcast? "How do you beat an insurgency? We'll...SURGE them, that's right. Surge the troops.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's an old saying, Ryke :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Sounded more like a redneck saying. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'barefoot refers to their second class status.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all depends on which side you're standing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If they were fighting for freedom, I''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. but their side sucks i am sure, here we get to enjoy the benefits of racism and oil consumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...I'd support them - as it stands they are just another side on the continuing crusades.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it's barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and don't forget the flat head...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true vakieh, their wars over there long predate any history i know of lol. we should not being going into debt stirring it up even more..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their wars? The crusades don't leave the white folk blood free...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'is there something wrong with women not being sent to the front lines?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'didnt say anythign of the sort'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's sexual bias?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I bet this confuses the hell out of the feminists'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US strategy is simple, destabilize the M.E. and they go in and "save" it, and of course controlling the oil so that "terrorists" won't destroy it. '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'does that not show their greater worth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Paying for a date confuses feminists...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'only that it demoralizes men, who can then no longer fight after seeing a woman die ronin'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke flashes a mischievous grin at Vakieh.  Hmm. is it time to run and hide?
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'creating a rule that says what a gender is or is not allowed to do, is bigotry'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, so are you saying that men have turned into pansies since the Middle Ages? Lots of women died violent deaths during those days. Didn't bother men that much. You also must consider that it was men doing the killing, mostly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Men should be allowed to give birth too, damnit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there have been lots of nations throughout history, where the women fought alongside the men'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I said allowed, not capable of'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'bigotry or not, I don't think it is wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'for example, women should be allowed to be firefighters, but should still be held to the same level of required strength and fitness'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if a man is stupid enough to allow a woman to shoot him because he can't bring himself to harm her, then we really don't need his genes in the pool. That kind of brainpower needs to be removed :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'men are allowed to give birth. No law against it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not yet :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, one man has given birth...kind of (definition of "man" is hazy on that one)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet if a man ever gets modified enough to give birth, the US congress will pass a law for crimes against nature or some other bs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well the gender definitions are pretty fuzzy when you start examining them'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No they are not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what Lucy said :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I base my determination of gender on who has the womb..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'ranrr: yes they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'male and female restrooms were designed by bigots'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what about someone with a womb and a penis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone can have a womb, all you need is surgery.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Freak.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'noone gets what i am saying lol. men who see women on their on side, women they care about, break down if they see them die. loose the will to fight. in our modern day when this debate takes place lol. in the past, fighting for life and liberty then yes women join the fight  obviously'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you have a womb, you are a woman. If not, you are a man.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not anyone can have a womb...anyone can have a cavity...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'id feel pretty bad if my male friend died in front of me'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what about women born without wombs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can't draw black and white lines like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess they are neuter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'In fact, dentists would prefer that more people have cavities.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, a person is only officially a freak if it cannot pass on his/her mods to his/her offsprings (assuming they can have any). If they can pass the mods, then they are natural mutations. Stress on "natural".'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Why're you bringing race into it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having a cavity is not having a womb...surgery cannot give you a womb'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you have a womb and a penis, you are a woman with a penis, and are thus just plain wrong until you get one or the other cut. Preferably to match xx/xy status'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and of course in my statement 'the past' is synonymous with 'the third world''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'female in biology is actually defined by the gender having the larger gamete (not all species have a "womb")'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the cavity allows gestation then it is a womb.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'surgery cannot give a cavity that allows gestation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My giant black marker does great for drawing black lines. That and my inate distaste for blurred genders. Do anything you want, but be one gender while you do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'now we are getting somewhere lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not yet, Abe :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and vakieh is a good example of why we can't have nice things'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shims are nice things? I disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we make a mechanical womb, is it female?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'A tolerant society would be a nice thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't those things call incubators, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We should put trannies into their own brigade and send them out to confuse and demoralize the enemy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'would it averan? who's to know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'who's ever got to see a tolerant society? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'people can be tolerant.. but groups of people is another story XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am tolerant of most things, but unless we make a new gender of 'other', I don't want any mixing. De-penissed men in the women's changerooms shoudl always be illegal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I hate that argument.  "Oh humans aren't very nice/tolerant now, so they'll always be this way."'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'in india there are 3 official genders i believe'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can justify anything with that argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'and by official i mean it is literally a third checkbox under gender'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I fail to see what your point is. Is a country is attacked why can't some of its citizens not participate in their defense? Why must they owe someone else for their safety? Well, we fought to preserver your freedom. Well, yes, asshole, you wouldn't give me a gun so I could it myself...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Most countries have that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i said nothign about the future, just right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'theres a name for it that escapes me right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'male, female, people we pretend to care about but don't?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'who said that anaristos?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Male, Female, Whip that out where I can see and I'm liable to cut it off?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's like the use is dripping with anticipation for the first woman to become president. Something that is common around the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US should move into the XXIst century :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'America has nothing to prove about equality of genders, seriously'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We should elect a female president simply because we haven't had one yet?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the more religious countries are, the less likely to get a female leader, I'd guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hehe...the US is still stuck in Smithian economics, they might as well be in the 1700s...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there has never been any kind of equality in the US, whether they feel the need to prove or disprove, that's another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: '...we do have a black president right now, you realize...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected smithian economics and went back into the economic dark ages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, that's awesome, Ryke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'zimbabwe has had black presidents for ages'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'would be nice to have a real economy though.. and not one based on an imaginary paper money system'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bleeding cures for everyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'South Africa had a black president before the US, and that is very telling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'with its first black president, US is moving towards zimbabwe really quickly'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and btw.. what ever happend to america being a constitutional republic? wtf is this democracy bullshit? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can vote. On the people we select, with the agendas we want.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'paper isn't much less imaginary than the pieces of shiny metal people used to use as cash...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'vote Ron Paul... all your political problems will go away... don't be a bigot against old geezers...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is not a democracy, it's a republic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you think the electoral college has not been removed? Without it the republic would lose definition. They may replace it, but whatever replaces it will still do the same thing. The US president is elected by the states, not the people. Only the landowners can vote in a republic :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'sonshi.. i want you to really think about what you said there. you said paper is worth as much as gold. i would say you are true only when you take the value of each and trade clean cut stacks of paper straight across for equal value of gold XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think Plato would agree with that definition...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what sonshi is saying is that the precious metals were arbitrarily made to be valuable'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the problem is that the value of the paper dollar is controlled by men, the value of gold is controlled by the market, which is controlled by men, but its more difficult, and gold is rare'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'but they dont inherently have any value, just like the paper money we use'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The economy would work a lot better if more people could make the mental connection between money as a representation of NLK'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'paper isn't worth as much as gold... Much its worth isn't much more imaginary than that of gold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... typos...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, thank Nixon for that :) Before him, the US dollar was silver certificate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'some asshole cant just print out 100billion more dolars worth of gold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, he can'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'takes time and effort to mine it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'alchemy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's exactly what the Federal Reserve does, Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim pats Vakieh on the head and calls him a good boy
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'federal reserve creates gold?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thankyou anaristos the point i am trying ot make LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'just because you can't create more gold doesn't make gold suddenly not have any variation in value'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it prints billions of dollars'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, he buys all the gold, and hoards it. Prices rise astronomically, and nobody notices Vakieh read the statement backwards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read again what he wrote...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea exactly'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Doesn't everyone have their own philosopher's stone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the gold supply can't keep up with the industrial economy. No government force will be able to suppress the economic force against gold for long...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the value of gold is more stable, reliable'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no actual connection between the US currency and gold. The US currency is back by the US debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but gold is just one resource'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'cmon guys do i have to do all the thinking here? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'precisely anaristos, hence the term 'fiat money''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the money system we have now was designed to fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'based on age old tactics'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try to make the people use gold, and they start printing their own paper money. Keeps happening.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'nobody is going to use physical gold as actual currency, the logistics of that would just be stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey, I have some mega Zimbabwe notes - if this keeps up, maybe I get my hands on some 1 Trillion Dollar US notes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so just make that paper represent its value in gold, or any other resource that has actual value'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats how it used to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need to regulate the fractional system more closely, and a black market will develop for gold certificates issue by underground banks'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'gold was used as the standard of course, but a dollar could be traded for a dollars worth of gold, and that didnt change over time, the only change was the value of the unit of gold. what we have now is one dollar buys less and less gold, each dollar that is printed. each additional dollar devalues all others, and they keep printing'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interest rates would go up and deflation will get increasingly severe. Won't take more than a few decades until the government falls.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well fractional reserve banking is unconstitutional'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even the bible declares it evil a number of times, they knew about this long long ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course a dollar buys less and less gold. The economy's expansion in modern times has completely outpaced the gold industry'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim gives up
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and outlawing fractional reserve banking won't stop private fractional banking'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol that my be true'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and i dont argue that gold cant keep up with the economy, it doesnt have to'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fractional banking, after all, existed long before government had anything to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. all this stuff we deal with now is old news. ancient techniques'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'why it pisses me off lol. we dont learn from history well'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'money supply not keeping up with economic expansion necessarily results in deflation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and pumping debt creating money into unsustainable economies causes mass starvation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that leads to high real rates, which means the economy will be in a perpetually depressed state'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't see mass starvation happenning in many countries...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'then travel there XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how well the economy runs has more to do with how well run and clean the government/society is...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm..so our sick economy is a result of our sick gov/society? i'll buy that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You got that right'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the primary reason why everyone has abandoned the gold standard in favour of fiat money is because there's no real competition to it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Corporate vote-buying fucked all your checks and balances, which existed for a reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that very reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with fiat money, the money supply can be carefully regulated by the state, which in a well run democracy works in the interests of the people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more or less, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. so you look at conforming to fiat money as a way to compete with rival nations?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fiat money is a contract for an amount of work. The gold standard is just based on the arbitrary decision that gold is valuable because it is rare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'switch back to gold, and you'll have all the same corruption, plus a big additional economic hole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's better for a country to have control of its money supply, rather than hand it over to countries like south africa and russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'right ranrr, fiat money = slavery, and gold = money, you are right'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, my employer expects an amount of work in return for the money they give me. If you call that slavery, then ok.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'each year(raises excluded) you owe more work for less money, so yea i call it that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's slavery :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'monetary is backed by the state, not your employer..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need to improve your negotiation skills, if that happens to you Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's never a good idea to base your money on any one commodity... Oil? Then OPEC/russia and co. will control you. Gold? Australia, S. Africa, China...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'money*'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason is slavery is because the employee is not allowed to set his/her worth. The employer does that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'slavery doesn't give you a choice...you do have a choice with your employment (even if it's a choice with only shitty options :P)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true for the individual ranrr, but as a whole its unsustatainable, makes it worse for  the next generation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the employee can... The employee looks for the highest bidder, and the employer looks for the lowest bidder, all else being equal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unsustainable* lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'slaves have a choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'all things are usually not equal! :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do or die is a bit beyond a shitty set of options...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in good economic times, it's a sellers market - not going to give me a raise? Bye, I'm leaving for company B.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in bad times, it's a buyer's market...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's been a buyer's market for a while now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how is that different with employee/employer? It's not the steps that define the difference, it's the result. In both cases, the result is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the result is nowhere near the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Recession - "I'm cutting your pay, whatareyougonnadoaboutit?" (Unless you have a prior agreement)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The other option is that you are given a job by the government, do it whether you like it or not, and they give you what you need to survive. Might be nice for people without brains, but I prefer to choose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get a good, clean, government, and it'll be a seller's market more often than not...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, let me drop some acid so that I can enjoy the good, clean, government :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that part takes some work'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya making acid is hard'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the key problem in the US is really the quality of government... there's no need to try funny ideas like bringing back the gold standard or abolishing the fed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the rich people agree with you, Sonshi. No worries :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'heh you may be right. time for a total abolishment of the union? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'breaking the country apart may not be as bad an idea as some people think, if it could somehow be done amicably...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Perhaps the US should import some politicians from Greece, I heard those guys do a great job. Or maybe portugal, or italy....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we need to look to what societies have done when it happened in the past'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, don't get carried away by the freedom afforded by the US government. The US citizens are not free to secede :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'which i dont know'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'greek politicians are pretty awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they can help their citizens get free stuff for no effort'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people pointed out recently that the ten most conservative states receive substantially more in transfers per capita from the fed than the ten most liberal ones... ironic given how the small govt types are more likeyl to be conservative...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't want to live in greece right now though, doesn't seem like fun...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where "some people" were krugman and I forget who...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'living aint all fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am sooo happy that Sweden decided aginst the euro :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, these days... in greece your cocktail is more likely to be of the molotov variety than previously.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if only greece had listened to those who said joining the euro was too hasty...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there were a lot of economists who warned pretty loudly that monetary union without fiscal union is a bad idea...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as usual, politicians shrugged and said, hey, what do academics know about policy anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a good question, you must admit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What germany and france still don't realize is that the euro is like a marriage. She bought it, you pay it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with the euro is the US :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they can't stretch their legs because the US economy will fail then'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and we are all indeed connected. if anybody falls it will hurt everyone, to an extent'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at the us, that's how it goes... when some states get in trouble, they automatically get bailed out by federal programs... sometimes with non-automatic stuff too'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'California didn't get bailed out :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea some states really benefit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're not willing to do that, why join the euro?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are going through growing pains, Sonshi. Eventually it will become stable.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but many federal programs funnel money into cali, and all states'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it doesn't collapse first'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is too much at stake, going back to the old way is really not an option.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'famous last words...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ill go along with that, but i think its important to fully grasp how bad its, and could be'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'growing pains? I think if they were growing they wouldn't be going through this'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'california is one of the largest economies in the world....that money funneled back to us is our tax money...we should seceed and leave the right wing nutjobs out in the cold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if you do im applying for citizenship'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, there was some event in the past, I think they called it the Civil War, which tends to indicate that secession is not an option :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha im not from texas i was joking unlike those crazies'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that was a sarcastic crack at texas '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Mexico is going to reclaim Texas one of these days :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... I was just looking it up...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their figures are accurate, california pays a lot more to the federal govt than it receives'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe part of cali was mexico too'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would say all of Caliifornia, Arizona and New Mexico.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while new mexico, mississippi, alaska, louisiana, and west virginia are the biggest moochers'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, those are 2005 figures...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just wait until the buffalo wants their land back, that'll be a bloody time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the biggest moocher is Colorado, they should change their motto to The Welfare State.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'according to that list newmexico is, colorado is down there with cali doing well'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'colorado paid more to the feds than it got in 2005, according to those figures...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and washington dc is raping the wealth of this nation XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Colorado leads the nation in federal subsidies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it is washington...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than offset by the taxes paid, it appears'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah that was my point...its like healthcare and education....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Colorado doesn't produce anything :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, wait, they produce snow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and mystical sunsets'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you call it a private industry and charge people 3x more then they are happy if you make them pay 1x in taxes they freak out'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'California: Same taxes as Sweden, but you still have to pay for healthcare and education. Well done.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe i love cali ....smart enough to elect the governator'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'larger states getting screwed over by the feds include... NJ, illinois, california, NY, mass...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, wait! NJ is still part of the Union?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'californian tax money's flowing to states like alaska and new mexico, that's why...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya just moved to one of those states you listed lol, from the poorest state actually.. Idaho.. but jobs are in abundance here from what i experienced out west'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would gladly let them have the our extra tax money if they would use it to educate themselves so we have hear the palins, santorums and their kin'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so we dont have to hear'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol thankyou for that ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the money's flowing from the rich states to the poor states. Perfectly normal in a monetary union'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not forget Ann Coulner...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just want to cry when i hear people like that spout their hateful stupid shit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the germans and french were serious about the whole euro thing, they need to shut up and cough up the cash. Otherwise, kick out greece.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it saddens me because people who would benefit and help the country fall for it and make things worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it weren't for people like that, Ucla, who would work on the Fox network?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we wouldnt have it and life would be better'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that the german and french debt is about the same level as the US. They aren't exactly rich.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i dont think anyone is really free..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The euro zone needs some inflation....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'run free...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'freedom is a market well dominated'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not really....unless you hang out with the bushes and their brethren'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reminds me... heard of the chinese (american) actor who played in an attack ad as a poor chinese worker thanking obama or whoever for moving the jobs to china?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bush is ok, but Bush isn't :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol no i havnt sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was both funny and sad...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love that hypocrisy.  The US corporations that ship work overseas are loudest to condemn the loss of labor to the wogs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and ya know.. i dont hate ol Bush, you know the guy cant even run his own life let alone hold down a job..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'er... I mean foreigners.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'kinda feel bad for him. hes like the retarded kid they just put through the grade levels'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its all brilliant distraction and reagans trickle down bs gave the capital to go exploit 3rd world labor'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh... I was just looking this up on wikipedia... guess which country is the biggest gold producer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh who'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'somewhere in africa'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'alaska!'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lithuania'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are making excuses for Bush. He may have been addled, but his family put him there so that they could continue to rape the country and he went along with it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought it was S. africa, but it seems they're second'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you gotta love him going to yale....sure he earned that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He's a first class asshole right there with the rest of the family.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i bet he is hightly medicated so as to not kill himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hes so dumb i think he believes he earned everything'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in 2006, they had more than a quarter of global production...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What he did makes what Wacker Bush did in Colorado seem like a youthful prank. Ditto for Jeb in fla.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i still cant help but feel some empathy for them all.. to a point. sometimes. im feeling benevolent all of a sudden lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you've got to be kidding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'problem is the jokes on us and they have empathy for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the dumb thing is just an act...he's brilliant in a Columbo sort of way (maybe a Monk sort) :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, I am losing this thread. The Bush family has empathy for us?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'idk anymore.. im just tired of being so angry i guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i meant to say and they have no empathy for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hes brilliant like the kid whose dad pays for everyone to play on his team and let him win....the system was rigged '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im still young ya know? 25, just really coming to terms with the fact that everything is a fucking lie and it sucks lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, learn some econs, learn some math'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is even more scary is the number of people who voted for Bush, even after you discount the ballot stuffing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'learning to trust people. trust them to behave as always'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it doesn't suck so bad when at least some stuff gains a bit more clarity'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh im tired of that sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'doesnt apply to the way things really work anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'as ucla stated, the system is rigged, the rules are manipulated'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this course in game theory... learnt how companies can price-fix without any direct communication or agreement'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'jesus, shoot me now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to start thinking in terms that we live in a defacto feudal system. Not just here, but also globally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also had this model which showed how, in theory, an oppressive system can sustain itself even if absolutely no one desires it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even the guys at the top, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is some scary shit sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let's see, Stalin, Bush, those are good examples :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, in practice, the guys at the top aren't opposed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well.. business models always have to grow. but that doesnt work'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in reality, all things ebb and flow'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see, the thing is that people are fooled into believing that things are different in the US  because the leadership changes every so often. What they are not aware of is that policy doesn't really change. Only the implementers of the policy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all these unsustainable practices that bring about our own demise'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the more you study, the more you may learn to perceive the "ebb and flow"'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a lot of good that will do you, heh, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh i know enough at this point'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im a dodger fan and they havent won the world series in over 20 years...and people think you can turn around a country in 4-8 years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'its going to eat itself anyway, why bother'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, at least you'll know which countries to run to if anything happens...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its like high school elections people making crap promises'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'becoming aware of the ebb and flow might be as good to one as the ability to see a supersonic bullet coming at one :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seeing what's happening won't save your ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol perhaps. i wonder where could be safe. everyoen faces the same problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i know many of the backwoods of america. ill survive, for a while'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that Bush faces the same problems I do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are almost always well run countries in any age...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the right qualifications and some forewarning, you can always move...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i mean people worldwide anaristos, the 1% excluded lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the scandinavian countries seem awesome then you look at their suicide rates and wonder what the hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that might be because of the weather :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats what they say but thats seems crazy to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people were wondering why certain countries with high "happiness" ratings also had high suicide rates...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to be happy you have to be more sensitive, so...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was a bit of speculation that perhaps being surrounded by happy people makes depressed people more likely to be suicidal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to be more sensitive you have to be more unstable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'more pain you have felt more pleasure you can experience eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is an interesting theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Camus had his opinion about suicides and I've learned to see it that way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps it's more like... "everyone around me is happy. There must be something wrong with me. Now where's my knife..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah but if there were that many depressed people why would it have such a high happiness rating'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe the depressed are way more depressed'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or maybe there was mass assassinations masked as suicides'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'less likely.. but plausible'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people suicide because they don't get enough attention, suicide is a very selfish act meant to punish those left behind. My opinion? You want to do a dive from the 40th floor? Let me push the elevator button.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the average joe is happy... but perhaps that .5% really has some problems...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim is willing to bet anaristos has never known anyone who killed themselves
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more miserable being out of work in a country with 2% unemployment, than being out of work in a country with 10% unemployment. Or 20%, for that matter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't have to be happy, besides, I don't think happiness exists as a state. All you really need to be is willing to accept that being alive is wonderful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter what'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'wow they must have really low taxes to have all those jobs.....ummm nope lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the alternative, being dead, sucks big time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'living probably sucks more but we will never know'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my countrymen seem to me to tend to be a bit more cynical than in other places... this makes them a bit grimmer and less happy than people in, say, scandinavia, but at least we don't have that many suicide...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, living is living, death is returning the chemicals you borrowed to the ecological bank :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea dead looks pretty easy, im not done struggling to do accomplish things just yet lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I don't see the thrill of being recycled.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, out suicide rate is somewhat low for an industrial nation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all i know is i dont want my body to be pumped full of chemicals and used to pollute the water supply'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lower than the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi where are you'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, my country's female suicide rate is over half of our male suicide rate. Much higher than in other countries.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more gender equality there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you still probably have an excess of females.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from singapore, studying in philly now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Excess of females? how is that possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah i remember the philly thing from another conversation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an excess of females who don't want kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'dont most countries have more women than men'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'women live longer, so...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the question is how many of the excess are hot'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'natural that there'd be more of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, looking at the stats on wikipedia, it seems that the suicide gender gap is much smaller in east asia, for some reason...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hey, there's a simple way to improve gender equality that women can do themselves :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whether gqs should have such tough outings, that's another question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that they panicked when they went in there and realized that it was going to be a long gq :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis again'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did they bury Whitney Houston or cremate her?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Burial is today'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'burial i guess is safer'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they cremate her, whole bunches of ex-celebrities will be waiting there to try and snort her ashes'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oops, sorry, I am a day behind :) But no, she was buried.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's cold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so's she'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I assume you are trying to make a point...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, celebrity is fickle'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, so what's new?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would discard junk first :)('
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no points to be made'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a celebrity croaking prematurely merely brings an unwelcome distraction to the plight of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was more deeply saddened by the loss of Michael Jackson, myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one dies prematurely'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'life expectancy is just that an expectancy based on some statistical model. If everyone died only when they reached  their expectant date, there would not be any need for such model :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She lived longer than Morrison, Hendricks or Japlin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'teleport behind vs. backstab. Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mexican drug cartel members kill 44 rival inmates, escape with help of corrupt prison guards...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Does Cold-FX work instantly as claimed? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/01/12/cold-fx-claims.html they say made in canada on the bottle, but it's made in china in a filthy laboratory and found several bacteria and other things in the contents, strange stuff for a government department paid more than 80,000 construction workers in a year to be missing isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Psychological_and_torture_experiments'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Herbie Fully Loaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SdNW3_Sh6E coot,  Sportka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XByICluCArg not coot, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 weird or what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'what. top gear for kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the city of regina spent 19,000 dollars on a survey done by phone over 500 citizen's whether they thought the police force was ok, 75% said ok yeah, but 19000 dollars, at most 2 minute conversations, that's 1000 minutes for 500 phone calls, that's 600 minutes = 10 hour work day, + 400 minutes = 2/3s of a 10 hour work day, so for 1000 minutes, in 2 days, you can 'earn' 19,000 dollars, that's over 1000 dollars an hour'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it wasn't accurate because, other citizens said that their ethnic minority and their perticular missed phone calls felt often segregated by the police'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you think getting through to one person by randomly calling phones takes 2min... well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Menahem: 'ridiculous, you assume everyone answered the survey and account for no time for data analysis or parsing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm sure we've got wrok for you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'work.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And ignoring people like me who hang up after beginning the spiel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if they used an india call center or something too, never know'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can get a full slate of callers going for maybe 5 dollars and have the job done in a hour'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just seems outrageous is all, they shouldn't mention the price if it was fair'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'way back when I had to call people for stuff, people who were legally obliged to pick up and give the requested info, it still took forever to contact them... and process the data...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too much crooked stuff around to not look at the negative possibilities, in my opinion - just seemed like an excessive amount of money for 500 phone calls'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and all the recipients of them calls are possibly guaranteed to not verify eachother etc, another possible crooked thing, they diddn't even make them..'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '19000 is NOT a lot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, 19k won't even pay for the "services" of a local govt official!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, it's not alot to some people, but 19,000 dollars is more than 9,000 bolivian workers earn in a day'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to a movie i saw dealing around year 2001 called even the rain'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's more than 0, and did they get any real use out of the survey? :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but it's not a lot out of a budgetting expenditure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, his issue seems to be that he thinks they overpaid significantly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, they just found that it was inaccurate, but made them look good when the 75% was considered'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'For 0 use, 0 usd is fair price!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good cops and citizens lookin for them don't need survey's to know that they're not crooked'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that a survey was thought to be needed at all speaks volumes '
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'who knows? I think surveys are overrated in general but I'm just sayin that's not really an unfair price.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people won't work for you for free, even if you are just going to take their services and flush it down the toilet'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the issue of whether they overpaid is separate from the issue of whether it was worth it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well. Labour party is set to implode - have you all got your anarchy survival kits?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or plane ticket?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'get on a sailbot and sail way out, live off fish until it calms down'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where would we go? The rest of the world is only more fucked up atm'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sailboat :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'wtb sailbot, pst'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your part of the world, maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Canada, kick out Harper the Tyrant, and I'll come visit'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can come to the US to avoid the draft :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'But I hope you like jail :('
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What draft?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'never mind... it was an allusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'alas a losing allusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Viet Nam wasn't that long ago.'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe if you caught up on your contemporary history the reference would have been obvious.,,'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have a weapon with changing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it just me, or do these images look pretty similar?  https://www.dekalb.ca/western/Pages/Home.aspx , the symbol on the page, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hells_Angels_France.JPG'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd think they're unrelated but i don't think they didn't see that distinction before, so i'm curious, which owns which or who inspires who?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just seems too strange to be random, violent biker gang started around the time of massive human experimentation in the usa by soldier's and such, and immutable chemical company'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'they dont look the same to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, one's missing a little skull and is pointed the other way, with possibly a layer of wing missing from the right corner'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're contrasts, where else are winged symbols like that seen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i really haven't seen them anywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah HA and others started from bomber crews etc but they do have some industrial clout , Nomads run alot of transport in W oz esp'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'detroit red wings'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah yeah, red wings, there's one'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'WWII bomber crews*'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems there's dekalb illinois and that's where detroit is, maybe that's where they got it then'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what made the hells angels choose their symbol i wonder, there's gotta be some common root to the expression's'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the wings have something to do with flying- perhaps airforce'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you see many angels depicted withOUT wings...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you call yourself angel, wings pretty much are a given'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but if angels today are companies and violent gang's then what makes angels of yesterday any different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and winged symbols like that are seen pretty much everywhere...you could find a dozen organizations with similar symbols in any decent-sized city'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, you should see the kind of things some of these bullies take offense at, they wouldn't be getting away with analogies very easily if they're not distinctly different, imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-did-the-hells-angels-get-their-name-what-does-it-mean-and-where-did-they-come-from'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard one story about a person my uncle knew who was walking down the street in vancouver, had a tattoo on him that resembled that not so meaningless symbol, and a couple of the members of the hells angels supposedly took out a hunting knife right on the street and cut itt off his arm'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, you heard a story about a guy that someone else knew once...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, true story though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as far as you know'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'despite my being a second-generation lifer biker, I'm sure you're more familiar with the HAs'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'lifer biker haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know they're dispersed everywhere and people don't mind that, but wherever they go follows dehumanization'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wannabes and prospects might on a really stupid dauy act like that but not a member , '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'publicity campaigns don't fool me'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you're right, it's still sick though, abelinc was pointing out how everything is that symbol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no big deal, so i pointed out something that was like that everything and was brutalized'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lifer'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keep ur 1% to yerself :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd never go 1%, not my style'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'americans sure glorify their biker gangs, even though they're all filth in their sight'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't worship my enemies'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was making a jojke , not an observation =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'clubs, not gangs ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who treat me like a nazi don't get my respect'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nat'l association for zero intolerance'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no different than the black serpents on mtv playing in the jail to a audience of delinquents about the glories of criminal life, and that's just in the prison'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jay z singing about selling crystal meth to children in new york city for instance, that's some stuff to sing about, he trying to raise awareness against it, or normalize the phemonenon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the godfather and other thing's like that, movies showing the ups and downs but inevitable control of a criminal organization of the law of the land and every aspect of your life - backed by vegas and other places for examples, brainwashing'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched that movie called the good fella's, how cause they weren't pure breeds (mussolini wikipedia) they weren't allowed into the group'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now there's some glorified racism, criminal acceptance and desire to have some of their candy'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that only the lowest strata of society is fully transparent as they cannot /have not the facility for guile. That groups dictate to this strata is just basic social darwinism imo. I think higher socio economic groups are controled through more hads off methods ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hands off *'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i notice how easily high people say whatever they want, however offensive against the majority or a subject if the independent minority touched would be metaphorically crucified for by the social engineering of the high people'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(this social engineering is exemplified in several places in the bible story, it's nothing new, the high priest of the jews was the false prophet)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since people have faith that jesus rose from the grave and conquered the death the priest 'prophecized' (at the start of gospel story, then moving on as his servants pay men in the crowd to chant to crucify jesus and free the killer to pilate)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the preoccupation with petty criminals , gangs etc divert attention from the real crimes/ criminals - our socio economic elite'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of prophet i see nostradamus as'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't read much of his things, but to have them worshipped by the higher people you have to come from their generation's masters'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in russia, they say these orphan's who get sold to pimps by government funded social worker's spend time at public library's where they access the internet, which is full of webpages on nazi groups, which the government has a hand in, both the destruction of the children by itself and the leaders of the nazi outlaws in their nation, i seen this on a 1 hour documentary'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows what other places has, it seems everywhere has their government puppet outlaw organization that they pretend to not be a part of though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to control people you gotta control all aspects of them, yeah?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i hadn't thought of that , yep thats very possible with more developed economies '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here give your rebellious nature unto myself, your faith unto me (false religions)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all in service at one stage or another of the ruler'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if ruler seen that public faith in the requirement of the law was waxing due to the absence of criminals among them, then would the government say yeah, take over your own lives you don't need my cops?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's one application'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I ca see direct involvement in all levels of society from gov types like the russian system but I have trouble seeing that level of involvement in such govs as the US/Oz '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the while the god who punishes them is the man who knows their god is his or his ancestors invention as he makes their stay here his plaything and passes on the joys to his children'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at how foolish over 1.5 billion people would appear to him, he is their god and they don't know it, his ancestors invented what they defend'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he rules their life now'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan is in history either believing? or claiming to be the wrath of god incarnate, supposedly he used alot of religious superstions in his deployments'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while there maybe is a real god who isn't this liar, i don't have faith in any god this world teaches'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats pretty common, ruling by divine right .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except by it's own actions, like i'm pretty sure evil is in charge of this entire world'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i'll agree insomuch as by evil i think preoccupation with material at the cost of spiritual'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i rule the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'my little version of it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's Oz an acronym for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ounce'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes u do, "the world" is subjective and you control your perception :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fuk ya'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz = Australia '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read this wikipedia with hundreds of sources entry on unethical human experimentation in america http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States , parts of it anyways - you say it's hard to see that type of criminal involvement in as many places where it's immediate instead of foreign - but there's recorded evidence of the CIA and government agencies/universities and hospitals, criminal courts etc, all having their hands in crimes against humanity'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '19 spinal taps performed on 19 children (as reported, most likely more since none were meant to be reported) without the parents consent'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of it, that's the kind of people who still run things after nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they let their soldiers / personell rape and molest civilian experimenters without consent in drugs and other things in some places'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avante: 'all these news just shows what is the capitalist degeneration'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's some outlaw gang possibilities'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'nazi germany wouldnt have even been were it not for us and britain'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the king of belgium possibly started the great war, and that's what brought about nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'close but inaccurate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a longshot but for some reason i think it's real, everybody got their own villains though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the crap that the Allies pulled at then end of WWI certainly cause uber nationalism in Germany. The Nazis were a separate accident of history that happened to coincide. Germany would still have gone to war even if the Nazis had not risen to prominence, the only difference is the direction that war would have taken. In away the Allies have to be thankful that Hitler appeared because a sane leader would have led Germany to victory.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all im saying is he got a lot of money from interests and bankers in the US and elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to afgree there - Hitlers military stuffups hamstrung Germany . Sun Tzu says not to put military matters in civilian hands for that reason imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Khaim, many in the US and Britain were Nazi fellow travelers. That included many people of influence. Which is why the other day I spoke about the internment of Japanese citizens by the US while they let the Germans (may who were spies) have the run of the land.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whether the German ppl could have been led/motivated/etc by another though is something we can only guess at '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed... makes ya proud eh? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let's not forget that the current House of Windsor is indeed a German royal line.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim nods gloomily
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was one reason why in early times hitler thought of the english as perhaps allies '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the German people were certainly motivated, even without Hitler. The Armistice was nothing but an act of rape.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean WWI armistace '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'next verse, saaame as the first!'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think we would all agree that hitler was simply the pawn placed into a unique opportunity'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and he had a lot of help'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I do. Notice that it was an armistice. It didn't mean that the war had ended as WWII proved.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yep. The pawn hit the end of the board, and became the effete nancyboy we know and love today.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hell... the concentration camps were the original IBM customer that got them off the ground FFS...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'If you mean I think the leadership of the German nation fell into his lap , no I do not agree'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'soon after another pair of pawns followed, one became a puny limp-wristed knight, and the other a fat bloated bishop'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and whether Hitler was in sane or not doesn't mean that he wasn't correct about going to war. Germany really had no choice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats why they burned the reichstag blding tzad lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: '" its terrorists!!! protect zee homeland!!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'THAT sounds familiar don't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: ';p'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The countries surrounding Germany were arming themselves to the teeth while the Armistice prohibited Germany from having a standing army.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the question is how many countries would let that go by...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and that is why ppl need to learn history lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that Germany didn't ignore that provision of the Armistice, which is what the Allies expected and encouraged.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Khaim person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the mortalization of events, those are a incarnation of the continuation of trends'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'examples when talked about like we are'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was going to say , Germany did begin rearmament underthe armistice '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I keep saying, history is written by the victors, so you have to wait a while before someone publishes something closer to the truth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it also depends on how righteous those victors feel'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since the first war ever fought victors have done one thing :) Rape and pillage :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nophie: 'anyone know if a specific idea for perpetual motion can be patented?'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Did you know William Howard Taft weighed 345 lbs. ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'does this year's republican presidential primaries herald a breakdown in the alliance between corporate and social conservatives/reactionaries?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or is it the usual war between competing corporate factions, fuelled by the current legal environment?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college  what a snob! Mr. Santorum said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Aardwolf doubled active players online, the amount of channel activity 'd quadruple  (square law).  how server intensive is channel activity'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'server inboud is negligible compared to server outbound. Though, it varies with user commands and activities.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if every character were to engange in combat at the same time I believe the server would be overloaded.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mainly because of the network channel backlog.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when an intense debate/channel discussion is active, how does this compare to combat output activity'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the backlog would be a function of  how many active output channels were available. That in turn would be a function of how many processors were dedicated.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'negligible also'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as the server spends most of its time waiting for I/O to complete there is no problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since it takes 2 or 3 seconds, at a minimum, to type a channel line, the server will be mostly idle. 2 seconds is an eternity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the perspective of bandwidth  not backlog bottlenecks'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'backlogs are created when the bandwidth is saturated. You can't saturate by simply being in chat mode. Unless, of course, every user engages in the same activity at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while the server is waiting for a input line to complete it has plenty of time to process output requests.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that I/O channels are independent of the CPU. Once you send a command to a channel the CPU is free to do other things.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when a stream is coming in from the network, the CPU processes other request until it gets an I/O interrupt from the network channel. It processes the interrupt and then goes on to the next task in the queue.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'looking at talk-channel bandwidth costs of extremely large muds -- how do mmos with (say) tens od thousands of active members keep bandwidth costs low'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by distributing the bandwidth over several I/O connections (which means several CPUs).'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't confuse CPUs with cores, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extremely large mmos reduce talk-bandwidth by separating talk into small rooms - like irc - global broadcasts to every online member are likely restricted'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, at low level there is no way to see that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if one thousand participants were to speak at once to every other participant, even if there was no overload, the screen-spam at each individual participant may be intense'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and how do mmos handle forum notes -- especially the nonsensical look-at-how-clever-i-am nonsense notes'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again it depends on how fast can the server complex process the I/O interrupts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what might look like saturation to a human might look manageable to an interrupt handler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that time is measured in CPU cycles. That's the key. Work is measured in CPU cycles. Most times the CPU is idle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wading through 50 to 100 notes per day here is often tedious -- if Aardwolf increased in size to (say) tenfold, then 500 to 1000 notes a day be "too much"'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what do you mean by note wading? A user enters a command to retrieve a note. While the note is being retrieved the CPU is doing something else. I turns of CPU cycles a note being fetched from the drives takes a good portion of eternity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in terms of*'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a horrid mud where at log-in each day, players were forced to "read"  pages and pages of Wrilly-style roleplay notes from the prolific admin (and there was no notecatchup)'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's fine. Note reading is a rather sedate use of the machine resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not looking at machine rsources -- looking a total bandwidth and player patience'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, machine resources is what has to be looked at. You can't saturate the bandwidth with an idle CPU.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to saturate the bandwidth if players dwindle from talk-spam, note-spam, and overcrowding at favourite locations'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are thinking in human terms. From the server point of view there is very little real activity. Talk and note processing involves a lot of I/O. As I mentioned before, I/O processing is handled by the I/O channels, not the CPU.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone seriously think Santorum will be the guy running against Obama ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'man is an idiot'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Not great for the repubs if so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're screwed either way'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both Santorum and Romney are unelectable fundamentalist idiots'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is the Lady Gaga of politics.  He doesn't even get to diddle Michelle unless his handlers approve it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just watching a recap of the race so far and ppl patting Santorum on the back for merely being semi compeditive ... that is just sad .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semi what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'semi literate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's close enough for government work'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol good enough fer me "yuk yuk" '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i -almost- hope obama wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'americans can choose to vote against democrats, but republican's zealously want to cut social funding for the elderly/poor and health benefits as their way to save money'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still haven't heard them judged by the media, how come the supreme court in 2005 cut a 19.5 billion dollar owing grievance allowance down to 500 million dollars to exxon valdez?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '19.5 billion dollars is alot of welfare pension cheques'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do know that Obama ran on a campaign that included promises to tax fossil fuel industries out of existence, right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they be taxed out of existance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Fuck yeah. That's what needs to happen.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'environmentalism'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be dressed up as environmentalism, it's probably got more to do with your gigantic budget deficit'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is that environmentalist stuff still in light of hos stuffed economies are ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'environmental stuff is inevitable, regardless of states of econimies'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stuff still current*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economies*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the DoE even took an official stance on wanting to get gas up to around the price Europe is paying for their gas.  They aren't even trying to get the costs down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'As an American living in Europe, I think the gas prices over here are sensible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find them sensible, i find them too fucking high'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you like paying $6 bucks a gallon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$6? and the rest'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'how much per gallon,in europe?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try nearer $10'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love Iran selling oil to India and China and noone having the balls to say anything to the 2 of em about it , or move on Iran either incase fuel prices go up'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah, I prefer higher fuel prices. Makes people think twice about their travel and public transportation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should try it in places where there is no public transportation, matty'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a view typical of people who believe nothing exists outside cities'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we don't suffocate from toxic waste , heimdal's natural gas horn's and sunken madegascar's within 50 years first, when the last oil well runs dry and it's all stored in a storage tank in china or somewhere like that, how much will your land be worth to them?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha... I do live in a small fishing village. But, there are still buses. And a train station one busride away.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'high fuel prices make alternative fuel sources and the R&D of them more viable imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'gas prices don't concern people who use the bus'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and groceries, and repairs, and utilities, and banking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bus fare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way that they consume all of the fuel they produce in a year, not even close - i bet there's storage tanks for 1000 year world consumption rate supplies already out there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't, tzad, high fuel prices just put money into incompetent governments pockets'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's perhaps 1200 vehicles in a multi-hundreds of millions society that don't run on fossil fuels.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would be less angry about the cost of fuel if all the money from the tax on it was ploughed back into transport'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually same in AUst , we pay huge amounts to the gov for our fuel '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bugger all goes back on the roads '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'explain the oil system, exxon gives 12 drilling contracts in north america (canada included) to russia's crown corporation, in exchange for deep sea drilling in russia's arctic contracts - why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nowhere near enough market in the US or Canada (the US is less than 1% of the world market)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or petro canada is dismantled in 2009 (invented to monitor the environment and make canadians profit from their oil reserves against american's), by suncore, then in 2011 petro china purchases a significant portion of alberta's oil sands'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes on car drivers in the uk pay the entire department of transport budget two times over'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many foreign workers / migrant workers will china employ at their canadian factory, paying them minimum wage but in reality a small fraction of that to compare with their wages at home + some, then using the excess however they want?  they produce the oil for basically nothing, make nothing but money, send it home with their b.c pipeline, and then invest in more canadian economy with the proceeds'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come petro canada was frowned upon being in canada from canada, but russian and chinese crown oil corporations are ok?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if oil were kept localized, here in the US we'd have enough to last thousands of years.  Which wouldn't really matter too much, since a lot of us wouldn't be here to use it (lack of work).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Looks like the whole tax/excise on fuel is just a revenue raiser then - not just in Oz '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very much so.  Oil companies get pennies on the dollar per gallon purchased.  The rest is all taxes to various levels of government.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '82% of the cost of fuel in the UK is tax'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dunno what you all think buy I recon it's time we looked seriously at moving away from fossil fuels .. dunno how thats going to happen but I think it is a good idea .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to people, it's up to industry'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'City planning can't hurt either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population control would help'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha, I agree with that too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oil companies measure profit on the basis of fractions of cents (that's why you see the 9/10 thing on the price).  The main reason they're rich is because so much of the world is based on it's availability.  Without gas, or at least a viable alternative, the world basically stops working.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'we eat oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb yup , have to admit the whole procreation is a privelage not a right has appeal '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'alternative fuels are nowhere near ready to support even a 10th of the economy as it stands right now.  The efficiency of extraction/conversion just isn't there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to power the world's electricity needs by solar by 2025, you'd need to install 250 square meters of solar panels every second for the next 13 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd better all hope they can get fusion power working, else there'll be oil wars in 25 years time'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole system was intelligently build dependent on the people who run the world today and their devices - consider the ipod for instance, intelligently installed into society over 3 years until it's even mandatory learning medium in the classroom, and then silicon valley mentions their anti-malware software for this device, that wasn't built against corruption from the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'That's ignoring accountability and sustainability though. You can also reduce current energy needs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they get some free money, and ipad invents the next learning medium'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will not'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of india, china, and africa will all be increasing their usage greatly'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and microsoft getting a contract from ford automobiles to develop the computer system's that filter your gas pedal and brake lines'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really?  i can't remember a day when there's not at least 8 exploits unpatched for microsoft'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i never bought a ford, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'China is already running out of energy. They're building multiple coal shipping terminals on the west coast of the US because of how much coal is exported to China.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and they don't care about human rights / environmantal standards etc etc China/ India etc are going to surpass any model we have already imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'China owns ALOT of the coal mining in Aust atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah... China is reallll bad as far as the environment goes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'because of their control of the media there  you are not likely to see rebelion there either imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's worse in the interior.  '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'currently Europe is dependant on China to bail it out of its economic woes so they aare unlikely to say anything , the US is in decline and can't , Australia is too dependant on resource sales to say boo so China does what it likes - like by oil from Iran .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'economy is a fraud, the whole thing, money is a figment of their imagination'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all about oppression'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china's human rights record isn't much different to anywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn effective though '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol the others don't charge for the bullets used to execute prisoners '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I think China's pollution problem is going to come to a fore when the people literally can't live on the land anymore. This is already happening in places there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they haven't learned yet, what makes you think they'll learn before they destroy themselves, and trust them to handle your resources?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china have already won the world domination race'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point worrying about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, they are people. When enough people die, they'll do something about it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb the types of things they put in practice to try n clean up Bejing before the olympics - '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I don't know why people talk about 'world domination'. That's got to be the stupidest discourse ever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and as for the domination race MAD is still in effect '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the next threat will be the trading block that makes up China / india etc and the rouge states it shelters like N Korea Iran'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just let them get on with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'WW3!! WOOO!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'WW4 - got my sticks n stones all ready :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's worse about that than some oil contracts signed with roosevelt and saudi arabia before world war 2 started?  in saudi arabia they still publicly execute suspects of 'witchcraft''
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see one barabarian as very different from the other, but i do wonder what the average american citizen gains by their sons and daughters being sent to the strait of hormuz'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? saudi arabia are no worse than the republic lot'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans should elect a black disabled lesbian transgender, that'd screw them up'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Rachel Maddow did a good show tonight about how the "conservative" / "corporate" movement has a generations long strategy that can afford to lose elections so long as the whole electorate moves right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'electorates move right on their own anyway. It's a natural progression.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Can you give me some examples?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read the history of any nation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't have a stable nation full of rebels.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'during times of fiscal duress movement to the right is usual imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remember what I said about revers :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rivers*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What does rebels have to do with it? I mean socialistic(left) vs laissaiz-faire capitalistic(right). Rebels are more likely to come from that right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a rebel is anyone who opposes the status quo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'has a point. rebels want change'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And how was that evidence of nations moving right over time again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if it's normal to decay and somebody points out one practice and how come it's not done differently, then the whole sees this as rebellion instead of medicine :o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'forgot who that guy is with the quote, being well conformed to a sick society is no sound indicator of health'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the majority opposes the status quo you have a change. As long as the change is relatively minor that's fine. When the change is big enough to change the course of history, then you have an unstable nation. A nation where he majority is moving toward the left.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the majority sees itself as right , ergo a minority opposed is wrong ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's basically correct.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you realize that right and wrong are relative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm christian, there is only one right =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you are out of luck then :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm still failing to see how this relates to nations naturally trending to (american) conservative political ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I jest !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Most of the history I can recall supports that nations become more socialistic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ixle, you speak as "American conservative ideas" have any general value.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos is saying that if the right means conservative, i.e., status quo, then yeah, we move to the right'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They do within the context of my original statement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No, I meant "american" conservative'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just on a hunch here but it seems to me that when times get tough people become more insular - ie right ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'when people get rich they tend to favor the staus quo. why change a system that is helping you get rich?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they only have value to the "Americans". However, it is a fact that the ethos of nation dictates its course. The ethos of a successful nation tends to the right. In other words people will tend to go by the rule of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Anyway, the point was it was she brought up an interesting point about American politics that I think most people overlook.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people got eyes for the immediate future, considering stuff like oil, how many people can see their orca extinction not happening to coincide with future genocide and starvation etc to their offspring that they reproduce?  then they're the ancestors and the offspring living the temporary solution they seen, maybe a generation or 2 of having some money, but then there's not much to buy on a dead planet'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anything to do with oil or destruction of the natural environment on earth is the most profitable thing to do, and people with high profits make high investments, effectively erasing the type who had some regard for their future'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think the main issue was we weren't referring to the same meaning of "right." I'll agree with the point about nations trending into complacency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'with fox news and a bent out of shape tea party, not sure what the right really is anymore. look at this santorum asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just droplets in a river :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic rationalism has made traditional left and right almost irrelavent imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a question for you... If Santorum is an asshole, what are those who vote for him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both MUST observe the will of the markets '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'asswipes, of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@Ohm, The episode of TRMS I'm referring to hits on why the "american right" is changing so dramatically compared to the current electorate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the problem with santorum is not is opinions, he is free to believe whatever he wants to believe. the problem is the voters who think his will needs to apply to the rest of us'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, so if the majority of the states have asswipe delegates, we know what to expect :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Santorum isn't an asshole, he's just flat out insane.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe they want to plunge america in the dark ages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he can be both insane and an asshole :) They are not mutually exclusive :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I generally do vote Republican, but I won't be voting for this whackjob.  Christian fundie woman-hating dickhead piece of shit.  I'm not a fan of Obama, but I'd rather see Obama win again than see Santorum elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i agree. and i tend to believe most politicians are assholes, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does it mean to vote Republican"? Other than just vote for the guy who claims to be one?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Know what Santorum says to women who are raped and end up pregnant? "Accept what God has given you and make the best of a bad situation."  FUCK. YOU. TO. HELL.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'At the end of the day, you can't tell the players without a scorecard. Either party's candidate will screw the nation with equal skill.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@Anaristos IMO voting republican (by most citizens) is a stab at reclaiming an America of aristocracy or anarchism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are trying to pass such a law in oklahoma as we speak. personhood for fetuses'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FETII ARE NOT PEOPLE'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They either want to be left alone by the government, or they want the government to make their ideals law.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we know your feelings on this, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree with that definition, Ohm :) The only problem is that the US has no real idea what aristocracy is :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you prejudiced against the yeast-people, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as long as there is some form of government buisness will just do what it always does , with an increasingly free hand , at what point does party become irrelevant ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, yeah, apparently fetii write reams of propaganda from the womb and later from heaven about how horrible it is to be aborted and born into a crackwhore 'family', but come one.  Clumps of cells are not people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'next churches will be people, then the boy scouts organization will be a person, etc. stupid as all get out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if a chain is as strong as the weakest link, then a group is a smart as its dumbest person'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for real, corporations have more individual human rights than any human on earth, and unborn foetus's included'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ohm, this has nothing to do with my distain and dislike for loaf shitting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any of their members would go to jail for 500 years for the gulf oil spill, but the corporation itself is no problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ohm, that's not true, a group is as dumb as the loudest person.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the very incarnation of deism'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, YnysMon. You are complaining against a corporation being seen as a person? That is what it means to incorporate. To acquire a body. A body that shows sentience and therefore should be accountable for its actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'groups are just dumb.  Moo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'corporate god's aren't commonly likened unto religions though :o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sheeple is a word for a reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just find it ridiculous that this religious fundie MALE has the gall to tell a raped woman to 'accept it' and 'make the best of it''
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, out of curiosity... What should she do instead?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i agree with Starling on this one. a raped woman should not have to suffer through that'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the deed is done so now what does she do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's fucking bullshit, if this asshole wins the nomination he has no chance in hell of winning because no self-respecting woman would ever cast her vote for him'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a lot of self respecting women voted for Dubya....'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  What should the pregnant, raped woman do?  ABORT THAT SHIT.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'really does it matter who wins ? the same corporations and faceless men in the shadows will still rule the country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self respecting can still be an idiot ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish it were that simple, Starling. Women are the majority voters in the US and they don't exercise their advantage. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only difference between allah and shell is that people think allah is holy and shell's just a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as some of those groups do things for each'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was my point Sneak, party really becomes irrelavent when buisness goes unchecked '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's just unbelievable that Santorum is being given the time of day?  I mean, who the fuck is voting for this dickhead?  White men who want their wimin' folk in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, okay I can see that.  WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE VOTING AGAINST???'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, as far as aborting, I leave that to the woman. I am not in a position to know what she should do. Let me point out, though, that historically speaking we are all descendants of rape.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'too busy watching jersey shore'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No we aren't, and you are a moron for thinking that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please fuck off and die now, tyvm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There should be some distinction made between "business" and "big-business" though. I own a business, but I'm not able to impact politics any more than a normal citizen, and I do not wish for my corporation to be able to do so, ever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'corporations are like the false god's in the bible, with their lawyers (priests) keeping the temple in tact while it's worshippers perform it's will'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'When you lose 1 person 1 vote, you start losing democracy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you think that wars end the way they show in the movies. From the time humans wielded weapons against opponents the victors have raped the females of the losing group. That is how we have the present racial diversity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'rome had a tale called the rape of the sabne women. it's how they believe they got started as a nation'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sabine*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'good point Ixle , where should the definition come about ? under what rules ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you're using that as justification?  I reiterate, please fuck off and die, you misogynist sack of shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when are you "big" buisness ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'When you are "too big to fail"'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you blame me because your ancestors were raped? That's interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Either by someone else saving you (banks), or by being able to control circumstances (energy, etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I blame you for defending it, dickhead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If you remove "fail" from someone's possible consequences, they're world is no longer the same as ours.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no big deal, but i read aljazeera wikileaks about shell owning the nigerian government, which sells alot of uranium to china'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 's/someone/something'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm entering you into my blacklist as a misogynist dumbfuck who defends rape, good job asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so this corporate religion accumulates eventually to being counterproductive to nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, also s/they're/their'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so stating a historical fact means defending it? Wow. That's even more interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It does with my girlfriend Anaristos :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't care if it's a historical 'fact'.  It was wrong then and it's wrong now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb I wonder about applying the same set of rules to countries ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece could be bailed out , Italy is too big .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'people, corporations, companies, planets, universes, it's all the same logical rules of nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'italy looks pretty small on a map compared to canada and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong. It happened. It is also true that some of your ancestors were rapists. That's the way humans came to be.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the big just the possessions in foreign nations right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know what?  I wish your mom had aborted.  Ignored, foad now thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The golden rule applies universally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he with the gold, rules?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And when we have a word for bigger than that, it will apply there too I bet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so to big to fail , is there another level when dealing with a countries economy, "too big to bail out" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Good point Hanslanda, both golden rules apply, and are at the same time contradictroy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no such thing as too big too fail. remember the story of ozymandias'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, if a business or corporation is too big to fail, it's just too big.  Anti-trust case, break that shit up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'SHelley :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see you railing against those to generated the countless mongrels that have come out of the wars that the US have fought, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'On a funny sidenote, Mitt Romney is the only candidate I've ever seen split with himself on an issue in the same day.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of people your justice government holds investments in the land of -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13536298 Brazilian Amazon activist and wife ambushed and killed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13538578 Brazil eases rules on conserving Amazon rainforest (notice how close the dates are, random?)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some i never heard about on ctv/cbc news about canadian gold mines in argentina and mexico, and how they poison the local's'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's one in malaysia too on a island owned by the usa, where soldiers actually execute people on that island so they continue receiving funding from the government for doing their job, no media's allowed to go there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at some point one of the PIGS is going to fall and as it stands the global community cannot bail out some of the larger ones , ie Italy - so as with the Shelley poem nothing is too big not to fail but in the case of the Auto industry in the US or BP after the spill, how close did they come to failing ? could they take the same hit again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if a corporation is 'too big' and it fails, it is their fault, and should be no burden upon the rest of society'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I would argue things only fail if the real "aristocracy" lets them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they made an mess and failed. to bad. no need to bail them out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The aristocracy jury is still out on greece and italy, apparently BP got a pass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to agree there , why should Joe citizen bail out Mr Ponzi , that is not right , but because the gov does it with our taxes we are paying for it '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And I would say if desired, they could "take the same hit again." It's a much more complex game than that though. It's smarter to spread the next big fuckup to another entity so the masses don't get too hot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, exxon valdez walked away from 20 billion dollar cleanup fee for a 1989 alaskan oil spill, 19 years later they paid maybe 500 million dollars (the cost of exploratory drilling/initial setup of 1-2 oil rigs)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blame the last president perhaps ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That brings me back to the point Rachel Maddow made tonight. The aristocracy is not human. This gives it a natural advantage of people. People will die and forget something happened. Money will keep netting more money.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the us supreme court said yeah, you don't owe us 19.5 billion dollar's in 2005-2006'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, aside from the fact that Mr. Citizen is an indirect cause of Mr. Ponzi's current striaghts, no reason. When the US economy was at its apogee, Europe was taking it in the ass. One of the reasons they decided to form the EU. Now the US is finding out that the world is all connected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'us tax payers paid for it for exxon'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'corrupt. ever since the supreme court installed Dubya'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's maybe as much welfare money as was paid out since 1989'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more..'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'We pay for everything Druzil, we're the only ones who actually produce goods and services.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have a link for that Ixle ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Hrm?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you mean china produces most usa's goods'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maddow and the aristocracy is more than ppl idea'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, hrm...Sec.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no aristocracy in the US. Aristocratic wannabes, maybe, but aristocrats, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'does that make it better?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'prob worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean like rothschild $  aristocracy ? don't the US have kennedies and rockerfellas ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might make it worse. Being a wannabe can be a dengerous thing :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz way outta my area there '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that gingrinch guy is interesting, his uncle or dad or something was assistant to clitton'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the US is infected with are anglophiles. People with money who want to be part of royalty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess you can trace back most american nobles to coming from a long line of nobility'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kennedys are out of favor now that they've been exposed as baby-bangers'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'if royalty means they dont care about peasants, we have those in droves'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It showed when the US, in violation of both treaties and doctrine, sided with Britain in the war with Argentina.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was over those antarctic islands right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think they were getting at a spefic definition of aristocracy that is self sustaining in a capital sense , Ixle is getting the link atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Idom . o O ( greed is the root of all evil )
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Desire the root of all suffering ? hmm thats new =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'vanity's still my favorite sin'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do wonder what the place would look like if the Dali Lama ran things though'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn he looks like a happy lil focker !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'neither would I since he hasn't run anything in decades.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, those people burning themselves to death is scary though, self-immolation etc, i still wonder if the streetfighter character ryu didn't embody the concept of the chinese governments refusal to back down even with such things going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or been running for decades ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chinese are pretty good at subliminal messages'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tanks in Tienamin Square subliminal ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as subliminal as state militia on the campus of Kent State :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as subliminal as the LAPD beating the shit out of students at UCLA'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what was that one ? Kent State ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'vietnam'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Viet Nam war, 4 students shot dead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh , wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am sure there was a good reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or, maybe not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, they were protesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'things got way out of hand, like Occupy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is usually a sufficient reason. did the same to war veterans, i think wwII'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'noone got shot during occupy tho '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Occupy might have gotten out of hand, but they didn't draw guns, the government did.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, I agree that those instances are not as spectacular as moving tanks in, but they were just as hard or harder on the protestors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uh, yeah they did.  There were at least three murders, a few rapes, and various indecency crimes (shitting on a police cruiser, public sex, underage hooking, filming a porn shoot, etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as opposed to the rich getting out of hand and fleecing the US?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there were also some good ol' fashioned beatdowns and breakins.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'filming a porn shoot ?!?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I see, Hanslanda. I think you miss the point, Hanslanda. That is not the reason the government moved in.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the occupy movement still alive over there ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it never got popular'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the Hispanic population of Los Angeles staged a rally 2 years ago, the LAPD opened fire on them. They didn't rape, murder or rob anyone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have a couple of indigenious groups here trying it still - we need to borrow some of your cops imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is, that no matter the government, they will oppose dissidence, and they will do it in a similar manner.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'until they can't , ie the Arab spring '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's more, if historical data is any indication, peaceful resistance will be salted with agitprops by the government, in order to validate the violence against them. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats pretty standard stuff . lol even Syria tried that recently '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cointelpro, the FBI had. and still uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, peaceful protests against government-run corruption never result in positive change, maybe the odd soldier doing the riot squadding will see how disgusting he is, but overall he'll be sacrificed by the rest of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a handbook for that kind of stuff ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'FBI uses Skynet now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Protocols of the wise me of Zion or something ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what peaceful protests provide is a ledger on who attends them, and a gathering which can be targetted by a 'extremist group', which was actually the government, who never finds the perpetrator, or blames it on somebody unrelated'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it is Syria who it is doing it. Syria has been a target since before Clinton took office.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about that happening in ghana or somewhere recently, the king shit president there kept a record of who didn't vote for him, and murdered them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course he doesn't say it was him, but that's how they were selected'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just have to act suspiciously, and before you actually do any crime they can find out where, how, with whom, and when.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it too convenient that all the Middle Eastern countries (with the exception of Israel) are being systematically "internally" destabilized.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is, though all the elements were already there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hell yeah , go back and look at argentena's economy before and after the ?falklands? the island war '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but think about this, the only country which loosed itself from US control, is the biggest target of them all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what country?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If I am the only one who sees similarities between the "reason" the US went to Iraq and is thinking about going to Iran, then maybe I see too much in very little.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the real danger with the US destabilising the mid east is that the next most organised power structures there are the Islamic church .... '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you mean oil?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say reason, I said "reason", Ohm :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets hope the McDs generation in the mid east get their stuff together before thier revolution becomes an instrument of the church '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course it is oil. But the US and its allies will not admit to that because that would cast them as the bad guys :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if us citizens aren't satisfied living in their own country, what do they give a shit about other countries not being satisfied living in themselves?  '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a question they can't ever answer, it's not like you can't build your own cars and computers and food and stuff within your borders and charge for your produces with money that is local to your borders'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb spot on Dru , take one look at N Korea to see what isolationism does for an ecomomy '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice in my couple decades of paying attention to disintegration of canada that over time canada is becoming the image of poverty in africa, rent is too high, people can't afford food at the grocery store, wages don't increase and jobs get exported'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they import workers to do jobs in canada, while canadians are unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they do the same in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, north korea isn't the size of canada or america - without canadian exports in a short period most of europe and asia would be trying to make war on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'give us your grain and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'canada really that bad ? I thought they were pretty well off ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who are well off are the ones they show on the news'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trained canadians? or foreign nurses, doctors, engineers, etc? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, the nursing home I used to work at sponsored like six nurses from the philippines because we couldn't get anyone to work for us.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the trouble there ? I thought it was like the US without so many guns '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high cost of living, fewer people who can afford it, fewer jobs to pay for it, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'we also have more polar bears'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'more like the US without the crime rate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they keep on raising that all the time, but don't provide the income options to keep up with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok we have a skill shortage here too , our school system sux '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and easier access to weed'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'less loafs too'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada feeds over 1.8 billion mouths in a year, but can't find the leisure to supply it's own 30 million with adequate living conditions'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'only 1.4 per couple or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's too cold to have children :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have seen a doco called BC Bud about the indoor pot scene there '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is pretty well organised '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are also indoor parks :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'I don't know, your average pre-pubescent child could feed a family for a while...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, that's not it, it's that they're not all there (4/5ths and all that).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if properly fattened, Salvanas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'modest proposal :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'mr swift had the right idea'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'hey, this ties back to the abortion debate!  *hides*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol stasis em Matrix style n use em to run the hydro setups !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Bunsen and Beakerboy.
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling put me on ignore :) Even though I've never sent her tell :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'join the club }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Anar you were being deliberately antagonistic , I can see why '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'there was a growup that got raided last week down the street from me'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'worth almost a million dollars apparently'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'grow setup ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't cuddle when I am trying to make a point. She should have taken the time to read what saying without loading herself with emotional baggage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'growop, i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'grow-op'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not sure what the stats are like in the US but in Aust 1/4 females and 1/7 males experiences sexual violence -- what would you expect ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we were discussing rape in general. Not in the US, not in Biafra. But rape as a historical fact.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I get good at having computer controlled environments I'm gonna make a game like farmville where MUD players log into virtual growrooms that are really real rooms on the other side of the world , you win the game by babysitting the crop to harvest :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's been done'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ender's Game, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Anar read between the lines mate . the last I'll say on the issue '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki someone stole my idea? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plenty of uni's have done studies on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I read between the lines, maybe what I saw it is an excuse. It doesn't change what I was doing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ender's Game is much older than your idea, and even the proof-of-concept term project is older.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Uni studies all in SA and Canberra ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, Ender was a freak.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enders game ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc calls Anaristos "Third!"
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a good neighbor to have. Imagine what would have happened if your dog woke him up...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'classic sci-fi novel about remote-control warfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nice over-simplification,  Hanslanda :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, he was a compliant wuss until pushed too far...woulda been a good neighbor'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the idea is that the operator plays a video game where all the parts represent real-time data about real combatants somewhere in the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did like him in Speaker for the Dead :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc turns Anaristos into a tree
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Awesome ! pity it's 1985 - no free audiobook of it yet :( 2013 film release date though :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I listened to the audiobook for free :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if Dune is any thing to go by, it will be a flop :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Abe ! don't tease ! link me the file ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'library downloadable audiobooks :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my reading list has been corupted by uni :( my eyes are on strike '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Grrrr '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eerie, two ideas centered around the term 'library' just converged on me at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this aughta be good '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oughta'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do flesh the though out for the less enlightened of us ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the thought became flesh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kinky'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they doing a remake of Weird Science?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'isn't Kelly LeBrock like 200 by now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you want kinky - one of the lectures I actualy have to attend is full of hippy lesbians - I did wonder what type of ppl went to uni in a hik town .. there ya go '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't find anything kinky about lesbians. I look at it one of natural birth control...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't find anything kinky about lesbians. I look at it one of natural birth control...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL yep .. wayy too much nature there , dreads etc thank F they'll not breed '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually IVF .. thats bloody scarry '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, PP is issuing 55,000 condoms with QR codes on them so that users can take pictures of their wieners and put them on the internet (a map of safe sex).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol love to be at that brainstorming session!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a thread of social engineering that deals with socio economic structures ? the saying "the rich get richer" is there a form of theory or set of precepts enshrined in a field of study concerning this ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ixle was saying something earlier about someones theory of aristocracy and how it was fiscally self sustaining , I just wondered if there was a 'narrower' field of study conceringing this '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's a very good description. I wish I could've said it so well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice of you to say so Ixle , lol providing you are on the level , I've yet to get when you all are joking or not yet '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aristocracy is not defined in terms of wealth, or at least, wealth is not required to define it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Boeing, McDonald's, Disney, and Apple all have nearly twice the profit margins of ExxonMobile.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would you trust the reporting to ba accurate ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from the side of the accountant, or of the reporter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the accountant , imo figures can be made to do strange things '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or are you implying that a third party (the Standard and Poor index) is making their own fudge as well?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet every dominant corporation like walmart eats all local businesses wherever it goes or exxon purchases all of the other oil companies and uses their names or monsanto owns just about every seed company on earth, are all owned by a few individuals ultimately'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'S&P hmm not sure I trust that either but you have to start somewhere ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in anybody 'making it' on their own, i think they were all placed there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that is much more likely than not , I agree. BUT by who ? who are the money men ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who names their children khan saul von christer and things like that?  don't see very many in school'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whole other world they live in, at the expense over everybody elses , i figure'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol not the schools I go to '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder if theese money men are pro or anti religon, or past caring ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, i keep that in mind though, i've seen simile's to scriptural interpretations on earth in what their systems create'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing i considered about religion of the slaves, worshipping the god invented by their enemy who dictates their current lives forever through his offspring, as they pray to him for salvation in a paradise temple, which is walked away from at every opportunity on earth - his earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worshipping humans as god and their inventions is written in the bible, bel and the dragon is one example, or how egyptians are said to have made servants memorize messages to carry to their dead king's become god's, they'd get killed and believe they're carrying the message to them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the movie lebanon from israel i seen the soldiers calling their dead fallen angels, so it's not unthinkable'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I will say that for every religon .. ok most religons there is the religon for the masses and the religon for the priests '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they don't believe in god of their own invention, or that any exists beyond it, they do use that invention in mockery of the people who consider it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'considering for example the G-summit - summit is a mountain top or a peak, the riot police beat the people down who spent 1 billion dollars for this meeting, the flaming mountain that cannot be touched in the bible, the men are flames bible verse (gunfire etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else did they have in mind making that name for their club?  i can't see very much otherwise, so even if the bible is fictional, it's made real by the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's baphomet the mountain goat satan character, and a conspiracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he's also a scottish king'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean the Levi interpretation of Bahomet ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't read that, but maybe it's similar'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Eliphas Levi - yep thats him , just googled I know of it from Book $ Crowley '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL book 4 ... not book $'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the current basic wage in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mimimum wage is $7.25 an hour (a few states have raised it above that).  average wage is somewhere around $19 an hour.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i think that tip based wages the minimum wage is 3 something but it has been a while since i have checked'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes, it's something like that, but I think your employer has to bump it up to minimum if you tips are too low.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, Florida is introducing a bill to reduce the halve the basic wage for tipped food-servers from $4 to $2.13 '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, Florida is introducing a bill to reduce the basic wage for tipped food-servers from $4 to $2.13 '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'that sucks '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thank god, how could any employer afford $4 an hour  <-------sarcasm'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Mm, looks like I'll be increasing my tips for my pizza delivery driver.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I wish they would increase mimimum wage 2% a year and not 30% every 15 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard that in the USA, a lot of jobs are internships where the employers do not pay the interns anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'its true, some of them are probably worth it if the employee learns enough, but I'm sure many of them are set up to benefit the employer.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'the same goes with temp type services'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'temp type interns ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps if internships were so valuable an education tool the school system should look at including them ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'intern teachers ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'no as a temp you get paid though not as much as full time employees you do the same job but get none of the benifets'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'schools teaching the skills otherwise learned during an internship ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'trade schools'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'the schools will go broke haha'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps take some of the funds gained from taxing and creating excise on fuel and put it into the education system ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cause it sure aint being spent on roads '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich do not want to pay taxes and the poor are too poor to pay taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the poor always shoulder the tax burden , they can't get out of it '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '50% of the USA pay no taxes - likely since they are too poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a contributing explanation may be: a lot of them are homeless and without any paying job'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do the employees of Child Services enforce their "religious" and "personal preferences" upon single parents that come to their notice: as in the case of "Charlie Sheen"'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Look out druzil! A new challenger appears!'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Infidels are BURNT and CRUCIFIED as The Imp Druzil spreads the word of supa mutt!
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh, he isnt a new challange'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, yeah, as soon as the media says something about someone we should take them behind the barn and shoot them since they must be guilty :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reverse sarcasm does not work with republican government officials in the USA -- they may take those suggestions seriously'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they already have'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I just drove home and I listen to Right Wing nutcases for fun . . . Michel Savage and all those dopes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'The guy tonight was trying to redefine the issue by defining that 'slut' was, in fact, a real noun, and therefore can be used anytime.  He was totally dodging the context of the use of the word.  It was sad and pathetic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't a Republican invention, either.  Recall the explanations for the "slut-in" held a year or two back.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'If we get fooled into attacking Iran by our 'partners' in the Middle East- all bets are off.  The Myans could be right about 2012 then - no joke'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'so I can say SLUT on this channel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it isn't a personal attack'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I don't want to just testing hehe'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: ''can I say 'asprin between the knees' on this channel?!?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'thank god'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Froggle 0
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you might try using "aspirin"'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://hankforsenate.com/'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this cat really is running for senate, apparently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... looking at the data from Saez (berkeley), average real income excluding the top 1% never managed to recover to the high reached before the post-clinton 2001 recession.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I find that terribly hard to believe given the housing boom during that same post-2001 period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could take decades for it to recover to clinton highs'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Clinton good,  Republicans very bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that boom was more driven by credit than income...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enron/dotcom ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton = 1990s Reagan'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the post-2001 housing was based upon deceptive mortgages that looked good at the start then turned very bad due to deceptive mortgage offers bordering on legalised fraud'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by an interesting coincidence, the high point of this period of american history may well be the very last year of the previous millenium.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Clinton was superior to that senile Reagan'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he wasn't.  You just don't like to admit to his failings just as much as republicans don't like to admit to his.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reagan or clinton, it isn't likely we'll see government anywhere near as effective as that era, at least for a while.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'finally got something right zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least judging from politics today.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many Republican supporters got rich from the carnage that Reagan wreaked - and the other republican supporters are deceived fools'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assuming we don't die a horrible political death in the meantime, we're due for another Reagan/Clinton-type in a couple more cycles.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bring back hoover!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'declining real incomes are going to be a large structural impediment to good growth for a while, I'd wager.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Carter ! or tricky Dicky , even better ==P'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, Dick Nixcon ruined it for that type of president.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Nixcon , lol nice !'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a lot of Americans lost their life's savings from the S&L deregulation fiasco, a lot of republicans became rich or at least profited from this gutting -- so of course those republicans want more of the same (deregulation and carnage)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another major shock to the economy, and it might start looking hooverish...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are a bunch of hoovers... the prez, the fag, the salesman. Which one do you want?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hooverism is a foregone conclusion.  We don't seem all that inclined to back away from the precipice we all see looming before us, even if we're not exactly inexorably being pushed over it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the decline of the middle class is going to ruin the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Feudal states have shown they can survive without a middle class :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, even Roosevelt made huge mistakes that made the Depression longer and tougher than it really needed to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'government spending has been anemic even in the face of high unemployment.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that during the recession the guys working the government printing press were laid off?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's odd that republicans are blocking any significant increase, even though that's what their "hero", reagan, effectively did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason for that is obvious, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wrong party in the white house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When Goldwater was asked what he would do in Viet Nam, he effectively said that he would bomb the shit out of them. LBJ was "appalled" by this. After he won the election that is exactly what he did :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's the same strategy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as the 99% become poorer and poorer, they shall spend less and less money, which is eventually going to affect the retail stores adversely'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you make the incumbent look bad for increasing spending, when he is out you do the same.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's solutiosn to all these <yadda yadda> problems, but the people 'fixing' them don't have solutions in mind, only illusions that will spread and give false feelings of progress - it's been done throughout recorded and unrecorded history'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'retail is already doing horrible.  Even the banks are finding that most of their customers are inherently unprofitable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if voters voted with greater wisdom rather than how well the country's doing, the opposing party wouldn't have a large incentive to wreck the country for the incumbents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one can dream...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no self-less philosophers/philanthropists or problem solvers on earth, willing to sacrifice their own high seats when it risks them not being above in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'customers are profitable its the regulatiopns prohibitng hcarging fees to dumbasses that kill profitability'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's been like this since before recorded history and it will never change'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what voters need to do is not to vote... for any of the candidates. They ought to vote for themselves. Make a point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the rich are encouraging the decline of the middle class, hoping to pick up more bargains'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Frank-Dodd doesn't prohibit fees, it just prevents them from becoming excessive.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't true - there are plenty of selfless leaders. Problem is, they get stabbed in the back early and often.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'living things aren't built to be selfless :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not just dodd-frank, it's other "consumer protection" laws which prvent overdrat charges, which prevent credit card fees, and now which "reduce" fees banks charge to merchants'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA is planning on charging for checking if you can't maintain a monthly balance of $2000+.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is possible sonshi, i seen a good side to stephen harper, and a chinese side that made me wonder what changed that'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the reality is dodd-frank just doubled the costs to MERCHANTS of credit cards, and reduced it for some.  it's pathetically stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans at the state levels are seeking to pass laws to turn workers into poorly paid forced slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of, BofA'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'good hans, it's about time'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you are lik  99.5% and don't understand how credit cards work on the biz side, plz don't opine on dodd-frank'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Florida is seeking to nearly halve the basic wage of tipped food-workers'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, the question I ask is, why did it require a law? If a bank tries to gauge me I take my money out. The problem is that consumers actually believe they are being done a favor by the businesses for letting them spend their money there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it costs money to have branches and run ATMs, banks should charge checking account fees.  the only reasons they didn't before is because conscientious customers who never overdrafted got a free ride on the irresonpisble who did and paid $25 each time'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA has ALWAYS charged for checking.  It's just that it was the behind-the-scenes merchanting that was paying it for you.  With Frank-Dodd gutting that, banks like BoA are moving those fees out into the open onto the customer.  The amount of the transactioning hasn't changed, just who's paying for it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the consumers got their act together, businesses would begin to behave. You want to raise your prices? Fine, we won't buy your product.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'now the stupid are "protecteD" by our govt, and we can't free ride anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anristos  exactly 100% agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there were some women in FLA rioting becuase they wanted to spend 225 USD on a pair of tennis shoes. Stupid cows.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it became law because the government wants to "protect" people from making bad decisions and it's politically popular to pretend that "big bad banks" are overcharging'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except that companies are taking a look at their customers and responding with "'Kay, nice knowin' ya.  Don't let the door hit you in the ass!"'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no wonder Nike gets away with selling them at that price.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the banks, at least, are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hans there are about ten thousand banks in the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I ask you, if you know a bank is overcharging you why do you stay with that bank?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you are getting overcharged,  move'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not with one of those banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm guessing there are local monopolies in some areas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there are NO local monopolies for banks in the US... geez'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need congress, all the consumers have to do is issue an ultimatum. Quit fucking with us or we will take our money out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am willing to bet the banks won't call the bluff.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many banks charge atm fees for use of their atms for an account at another bank, for example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sure, take your money pittance out -- the bank does not care that much - the banks may raise the service-charges for chequing and bill payments to cover the interest-free ride on the 2000$ you refused the provide'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, the customers are doing exactly that right now with BoA, and BoA is openly HOPING they leave the BoA family.  If they do, the BoA banks naturally look better.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'as they should sonshi -- it's that banks; property.  they pay the cost to buy it, maitnain it, fix it, stock it wit money... why should customers expect to use it for free?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't understand, Zade. Banks don't have enough money to return all the money back to the depositors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be a lot of efficient if those resources were pooled'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hanslanda i don't think you understand the first thing about banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all banks are required to do is to have sufficient ready reserves deposited at the Fed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think that, K?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'local monopolies tend to result in deadweight losses. Bad for the economy overall.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ready reserves are  fraction of the deposit amount.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it doesn't make BoA "look betteR" to have customers leave.  it really doesn't matter much to them at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would matter if they all chose to walk. Which is my point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all thigns equal they prefer everyone has a savings account with them, but they don't realy care if you leave one way or another'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really need to have more access to banking records, Kojiro.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and did the Fed or the Government initially provide the ready reserves that the Banks deposited with the Fed'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that is true for an individual, Kojiro. I am not talking about an individual effort, I am talking about a consumer movement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ok sonshi -- but the beauty of money is it's a commodity.  you can bank online.  you don't even need a f'in local bank.. there are no monoplie sin the US when it comes to moeny'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you need to use an atm to get physical cash, for example...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA is in a position where they effectively have too many customers of the wrong financial quality.  They want to get rid of those customers, because they aren't making any money off their money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i''m a profesisonal bank ivnestor so feel free to tell more about banks hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol if you wonder where you investments went, its because banks hire people like kojiro to handle your money'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, unlike cash, atms in the us aren't fungible, because of certain peculiarities in the us system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you are under the belief that the consumers can't harm a bank?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they may have too many mortagges of the wrong quality.. but they would prefer anybody's deposits.  it's just they would prefer to make people pay for the accoutns too, and it doesn't matter if they lose some along the way of that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but they cannot do so if the bank WANTS to get rid of customers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos only if they all mvoe together of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Banks like BofA are always starved for ready reserves, they are either at th discount window or doing reverse repos on Tuesday night.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a bank can close a depsoitor's accoutn for any reson s it wants'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they don't need to gin up somethign to make people leave they ca n kick you out'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Kojiro, you still haven't said what a bank would do if all its costumers decided to close their accounts for any reason.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Kojiro really is a banking investor, BoA wants his gobs of cash.  They don't want the hundreds of thousands of penny-ante piles the average joes accumulate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not really anaristos... they are so flush with non-int bearing checking deposits from the flight uot of money markets'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they have more idle cash than they can responsibly loan out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that a bank can operate as a bank without deposits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I'm saying that big banks today have never been more flush with deposits'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds like you're not really doing your job, heh.  Get crackin', investorman!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure they do hans, because those guy sneed mortages someday and they need credit cards'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am asking what would they do if costumers threatened to withdraw al their money if the bank continued with certain of their policies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i agreed with you and said if all customers move at once, you have a problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at wamu and wachovia, or look at repo lines getting pulled from lehman / bear'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, and that is just for banks, costumers have the same power everywhere. So you can blame the shape of the economy on the costumers :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the debit cards will come back, just once the fire and brimstone has died down'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for putting up with whatever shit the businesses want to throw at them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'fees i mean'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i would actually love customers to pull out of BAC.. that bank is so sick with blaoted overhead expense it' sdisgusting'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'give them some urgency'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if after this incident the costumers return, then then they deserve whatever they get.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the consumers parked their cars gas prices would go down. Gas prices are up because people put up with it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if the fundamentals indicate that gas prices should climb, that doesn't mean that people have to pay it. They can refuse and force the price down.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and because latin america pays a lot for all the gasoline we export instead of consume domestically :('
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can shift the demand curve, sure...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can't force the price lower than production, after a bit ppl will just stop supplying. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'gasoline isn't very optional for most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correction: they can't do so long-term.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'demand is already low.  It's the supply we have a problem with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'drastically, Sonshi. When 90% of all workers don't show up to work on Monday morning, the pressure on the gas companies will be unbelievable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, for many people, moving to a gasoline-free lifestyle would require relocation or just not be doable at all. for example, in my town, just going shopping for food requires 2 hours each way on a bus if you don't have a car.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a general strike is a beautiful thing to behold :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's tricky in gasoline... america just became a net petroleum products exporter for the fisrt time in a very long time... it's because in part latin america pays a lot more for gas than we do'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people not showing up for work doesn't put pressure on the gas company, it puts those people out of work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your boss won't buy "I'm protesting gas prices" as an excuse'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i promise you gas companies can just export whatever people aren't consuming while they sit at home and get their asses fired'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he doesn't have a direct line to the gas prices'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you can't really "pressure" oil companies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oil is an input cost of gaoline -- look at oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did some idiot/troll say "Feudal states have shown they can survive without a middle class" -- counter-examples are:  the French aristocracy prior to the Frencgh revolution, tzarist russia prior to the Red revolution, ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What I have always noticed is that when the ME people raise the price of their oil, the people in TX and CA raise it to match. They could maintain a lower price for the domestic product and help the country, instead they yell and scream at the Arabs all the way to the bank.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hellz yeah, and we take it'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's american, dagnabbit'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention that many US oil companies are in partnership with the Arabs anyway.  So  the US is screwing the US not the Arabs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without high prices, there's little incentive to reduce consumption...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'give me a break.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so tell the government to stop wasting billions on shit and pay 1 million to every genius to get to work innvoating bnetter battery technology for  electric vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debate without a strong middle class, a country is usually headed to abject inferiority and/or a bloody revolution and/or a vicim of genocide and/or something bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or some reasonable mass transit alternatives -- I'd take the bus to more places if I could.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think that the consumption now is significantly less than when the price for a gallon at the pump wasy 0.25?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are more cars on the road now than ever before.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under an assumption of rationality, if gas prices increase substantially, people should demand better public transport'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's mroe of course because of inflation'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and inflation is an artifact used by the gaugers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"not in my backyard" kills a lot of construction projects that would benefit us all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or if the cost of owning a car were to increase...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sonsi yes if gas prices are expected to stay high for a long time but they are so volatile it's hard to jsutify a large outlay for an uncertain futur ebenefit'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'St. Louis almost never got their Metrolink system initially because nobody wanted the noise and crime and ugliness associated with public transportation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a better solution. Everybody stays home tomorrow and don't go to work. Let me know what the price of gas is going to be by Friday.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i love listening to all the super liberals, socialists, communists  you guys ar ea riot'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'About the same, because for most people there are ten others waiting to take the job.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to punish excess travel, sell the gas high in between towns.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the people are chicken shit enough to put up with the broom up their ass instead of flexing their collective muscle. Then they shouldn't complain when they push the handle a little bit deeper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a strike to have a long term impact, you'd need a proportion at least on the same order as the unemployment rate'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not like gas stations are making money selling gasoline you know'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they pay a high price for it just like you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods koj, the gas station/repair shop in town guy was talking to me, he says he tries to break even on the gas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's unlikely unless it really hurts for many people'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'after credit card fees, breaking even is great nowasays'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit , stop being more interesting than the lecture !'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the North American Indians were without a strong middle class in so far as the Big Brother "owned" everything that the younger brothers owned -- so innovation was curtailed, and when White-man arrived, the Amer-indians were exploited massacred robbed etcetera'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, since he told me he loses money on credit cards/gains money on cash I pay cash. he has a great little repair shop and I want to keep it in business. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a general strike is a peaceful war. It is the most potent war in the world. But, I do admit that it takes balls to walk out. However, as the saying goes. Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also go there for oil changes even though valvoline is $3 cheaper, because his repair work is top-notch.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good habit to pay cash when you can... it hurts more handing over wads of money than swiping a card.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I pay my limo driver in cash beacuse credit cards take 5% from him'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just kdiding, i mean taxi drivers'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey now, there's something to be said for (other) people who live on their knees'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i dont waste moeny on limos'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'keep your concubines out of this, Abe :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's been fun, good night'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several other "feudal" societies that were exploited by white Europeans were in: China, Japan -- lots of bloodshed there'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Eureka is no concubine, she's a First Wife.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course there is going to be bloodshed, Zade. A general strike is a revolution. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Eureka's house, it's the mistresses that get sloppy seconds.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at you.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes are often bloody...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not really no, Australians go on strike every other month'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'well, certain industries'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, they are a revolution. The fief lords strike back at the serfs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, industry-specific strikes are far from general strikes'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not just a strkie, Sneak. A general strike. Nobody goes to work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Feudal societies without a strong middle cass, there is a disincentive for the poor to do anythig innovative -- the development of science falters'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is being legislated against more and more hevily here - strike action that is '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'a general strike would never realise itself in today's world'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes typically only occur in countries already halfway down the toilet, or more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even greece doesnt have a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and it's already flushed down the toilet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and tend to be accompanied shortly after with live fire'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the poor fuel the development of science?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... that reminds me... isn't greece somthing like 30% or more below pre-crisis peak gdp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is not a union thing, Tzadkiel. This is you and I deciding we've had enough and refuse to go to work until they get their act together. They can, and probably will, try to legistate against it, they will mobilize the armed forces against it. But if the workers don't back down, the other side is fucked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't remember the figures sometimes...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they're fucked as a country'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm waiting for them to put land up forsale'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt they'll sell any land...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anar, the problem is that it *must* be a union thing (not afl/cio union)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, you know its never goign to happen right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it must be the very definition of a union thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when you go out on a general strike you are saying if things don't get better neither you nor I will have anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'until, of course, someone decides that they are going to work because they need to feed their family and are uncomfortable holding up shops for food.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll hang their leaders before it comes to that'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, its retarded though, I read that their unions refused to accept wage cuts which would've helped somewhat '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wage cuts vs impending doom. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Majic. That's what the companies are counting on. That the people don't have the balls to suffer until they win.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'balls to suffer or balls to starve?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh... they're going through that painful internal devaluation process...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lack of a strong middle class reduces the development of science'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I might go hungry myself, but I wouldn't starve my kids.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, what do you suggest people survive on then'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be better if they could inflate instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, you get 2 of them each pop'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, it's just decades of financial mismanagement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'balls to stand up to that kind of extortion. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'real wages decrease anyway, except that external is faster and feels less painful'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm surprised Greece hasn't defaulted :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'they have technically'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're defaulting'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just an "orderly" default'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still a good chance of a disorderly one later'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'It would lead to France suffering financial damages'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a feudal society, the poor are far less likely to innovate in Science (several reasons: lack of education, lack of reward, to prevent the parasitic rich profiting)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think they're exposed up to 50+bn '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'of Greek debt'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyone else find it funny that xyliz is still obliviously having his own conversation with himself on a completely different topic? :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would, but what else can be done?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sometimes you've got different personalities and you can hold a perfectly reasonable conversation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know Druzil has that ability!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder when was the last major general strike...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can you guys save this up for 15  min until class ends ? and no making fun of my MPD - at least i'm garunteed a good convo'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike industry specific strikes, general strikes can (uncommonly) be nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mpd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'multiple personality disorder'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you prime personality is a hamster, and your tertiary smells of elderberries!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can be unaffiliated with a particular workers union, they cannot be nonunion in the pure sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, just because unions might back them doesn't mean they're union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're "nonunion", then they're not a general strike, they're some guy not going to work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'otherwise you could say that anything that a union voices its support for cannot be strictly nonunion...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'union != industry/worker's union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unions are called that because of what they are...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'union bosses are just fat arses though :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some general strikes are led by political parties'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'i.e. you're talking about capital U Union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm talking about small u union'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and some are not really even led much at all...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no general strike has ever, or could ever, be nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... if you put it that way, anything involving mass action isn't nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'government isn't nonunion. Corporations aren't nonunion. Militaries aren't nonunion???'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't work without unity'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a very odd definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, hold that definition if you want...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's the core definition'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why do you think unions are called unions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a feudal society, there is less incentive for the rich to innovate (several reasons: lack of motivation since everything is handed to them, too busy being debauched, and as a minority supply very few smart scientists individuals, too few to innovate, and there may be inbreeding or support of defectives (hemophiliacs) to further decline the aristocracy)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's as base essence as there is'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because intersections was already taken by the highway system'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they can call themselves what they want...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic cackles gleefully at Leinei.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and why do YOU call them that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I call the democratic people's republic of korea the democratic people's republic of korea too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seems you're universally acknowledging them as being unions'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, they are unions'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're supposed to be united'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now we're getting somewhere }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's not, it doesn't exist or work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are certain implications of unity vs subordination.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without coordination, a general strike doesn't take place'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes need not be very coordinated, beyond the agreed upon date'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, need not be coordinated...beyond being coordinated. gotcha'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, coordination occurs in many things...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more than date, they must be wholesale/widespread...that doesn't happen without coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can be as simple as people deciding individually that they need to support the movement on that date'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peaceful general srikes are not a war -- unless the government becomes hostile'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it can't, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people deciding individually that they need to support it on that date accomplishes nothing except those people being fired'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'World Wars are Hot wars -- WWIII did not happen yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has to be huge and unignorable'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these things do happen, you know, a few guys declare a protest, next thing you know the population decides to march on tahrir or wherever.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and when the bulk of the people involved aren't affiliated with the organisations that are calling for it, I doubt you can call it a union action'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'coordination is easier today than it has ever been, that doesn't make it not coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'coordination works both ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, it gets done, or it fizzles...both ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't really call it coordination if one side isn't coordinating'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that makes zero sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is only one side to an action'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, in a union strike, the leadership has an assurance that most of its membership will turn out, because they coordinate'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whomever you're commiting the general strike against doesn't need to be coordinated, they can be reactionary'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they try to'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't true if there's a call for it, and the bulk of the turnout is from people that aren't coordinating with those who called it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're trying to talk about a movement as if it's a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when that isn't the case'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some general strikes happen when X organisation(s) call for one, and a certain number respond.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the call for it is more than a call, for it to be a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if there's no coordination, it's a movement or less'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'usually less'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's just your definition of a general strike, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'TO FART OR NOT TO FART....'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler puts his finger in his mouth and says, "Oopsie! Did I do that?"
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I'm going by the definitions you've given'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've defined it as being something that needs coordination or it "isn't" one'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, most general strikes are called. People know it's coming. So does the army :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I haven't'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'right , back . I think I learn more here ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've stated that it simply won't happen without it, not that it isn't defined as one without it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(Debate) Abelinc: 'if there's no coordination, it's a movement or less''
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can get a flash mob without all that much coordination...you can get call out gay day without much coordination...you want to have a general strike such that all corporations are brought to their knees, you'd better come with some coordination...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'semantics n poop humor already?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has happened before'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '<troll> only commies strike, and they should be executed </troll>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i always bring the poop...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nod dirkdiggler'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'html troll is trolling ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Americans strike all the time.  Union strikes, wildcat strikes, pre-emptive strikes, retaliatory strikes, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are you guys sabotaging the discourse over nitpicked semantics - typical like republicans'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Zing!  Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc gets all Feudal on Zade's ass
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sometimes we strike out in anger or vengeance or a sick need or even just because some slick salesman convinced us to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how did we get into striking ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummmm....HE did it!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then sometimes we just strike for fun (baseball, bowling)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while it isn't too frequent, when the situation is bad enough, a significant proportion of the population can respond to a call for a general strike, even if few are affiliated with the relevant bodies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ahh lefties did it ! strike them !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'what ever happened with the supposed 'general strike'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then, just because it's the internet, sometimes we strike to get off (bondage/s&m/spanking porn)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were threr strike during the great depression ? or were they all too concerned about their next meal ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mass unemployment isn't quite the same as striking }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a generic "general strike" or a specific no-longer-specified "general strike" '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'wasn't there a specific date?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a concrete example, the 1968 french general strike had a large turnout, much more than the unions which called it. Largely due to popular horror with police brutality, apparently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the general strike is a myth.  It's very rare that enough people get outraged in principle about the same thing at the same time.  The US is nowhere near that level of desperation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"sovereignists" in the USA '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the "Occupy Wall Street" fizzle yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, college kids are still on the streets'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the general strike might be a myth in the US. Which explain why they are so tame there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it basically fizzled on Day One'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit , one of my tertiary personalities IS an elderberry !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least it's not a dingleberry'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vegatative state , nice n quiet ..=P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'always look on the bright side of life!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Occupy is a good example, when the police put pressure, they basically left. Forget Oakland, looting is not the answer to police pressure. The answer is: you do nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Getting yourself intentionally arrested is a good response'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they can't arrest everyone'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy never had the people behind them'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'clog the system etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't minimize the danger, but the politicians know that if the resistors do nothing they have problems because any attempt to subdue them will make them look bad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt americans have the real hunger in them to do what the gandhi era indians did'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we did that 60 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to intentionally get arrested, [nowadays] you'd [generally] be doing something arrestable...they'll take you in, process you, fine the shit outta you and release you home...they'll happily do that repeatedly to keep fining you :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, when the corporations stick the broom up the ass of the US citizens, they, instead of fighting back, they hand the corporations a jar of vaseline so they won't have to strain while pushing the broom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me naieve but wouldn't the best move for the occupy dudes to do would be make their own bank ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well attached to the occupy movement, was that 'move your money to a credit union' thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tzad, no...it's like the people here who cry GQbot!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't attached to the Occupy movement, no'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Camus said, the oppressed overthrows the oppressor and replaces him. So, yes, getting their own bank would work for a while until they started gauging people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, even if you fine them, will they pay?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can form their own bank, but they'd still get beat by the established banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it was always occupy people who told me about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but since I'm not an idiot I've used a credit union my entire life'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Soshi. That would defeat the purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'all I know if we have anything to do with dropping bombs on Iran, the myans might be right about 2012 :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they would, yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is playing a dangerous game with Iran. They are trying to pull the same scam they pulled on Hussain. It won't work twice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Mayans never predicted the end of the world.  They predicted the end of...the Mayan calendar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not even that...they predicted you'd turn the page'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the stone...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they didn't print their calendars :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it took 14 big men to carry it from place to place :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the chinesse and indians are laughing at the US for not buying Irans oil imo , just another comparative advantage '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US thinks that they are going to do an Iraq on Iran and gain more  oil reserves. I think this will backfire in ways we can't really imagine yet. But lots of corpses everywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'ack - I keep using 'we' on Aardwolf debate like the majority here must be US citizens- my apologies'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even Nostradamus didn't predict the end of the world.  The quattrains everyone points to don't even exist, they're a mash-up of several of the ones he DID write.  Some even suggest they were mashed-up by his insecure son who tried unsuccessfully to win his father's favor.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we may not be the majority, but we're the only ones that matter }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Some here have come from the Kuiper Belt, Freggle. They are illegal aliens.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I just hope the US people take a good hard look at the situation and say 'No' if the government tries to send planes into another Middle Eastern Country'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Iran is the 4th? largest oil producer ? add huge oil price hikes to a shakey ecomomy and you are asking for trouble . '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'we can't take it at this juncture'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you new around here, froggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can do far more damage just ripping half our money out of the area.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'yes new'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? power vacum ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'longtime Mudder- but new here :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we haven't been good at taking our toys and going home since monroe'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I meant new to the USA populace :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'welcome Froggle :) same here , sorta '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fraggle, freggle, friggle, froggle has been used. what next? Fruggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Fryggle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I know, but didn't realize it untill I was kinda far in . . .:P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I couldn't pull out !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'monroe ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'boy, I bet she was pissed :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's how I got married }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after that will come the fragggles, then the ffragggles, and so forth, inexplicably interrupted by the prequel-esque fragle types.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'He was a former Us prez, you don't rebember?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then the doozers'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he gave us the power to meddle in your affairs'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the president with the policy of staying the fuck in this hemisphehre ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'fractles!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Monroe :) One of my favorites :) America for the Americans. He meant North, South and Central, of course. He envisioned 100 stars on the flag.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if they havent made a movie about him i aint heard of him '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or maybe I meant monroe, Jim J Bullock's character on too close for comfort }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the lovable idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm ok he goes on my research list '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'nice list!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is wrong with the Ron Paul platform '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we never seriously considered candidates for 51st state after Cuba, and that was right around the Civil War.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I keep having to play catchup with these guys :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Ron Paul can't win- he has said so himself.  He is just there to talk about things others won't touch with a 10 foot pole.  Like Imperialism.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm australian , the school system was not kind to me ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the civil war? that certainly wouldn't have been a 51st state...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US never wanted Cuba as a state, they wanted it as a possession. Right after the Civil War the talk was actually of annexation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's his proximity to RuPaul'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tzad: the australian education system is fubared'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and how the US shouldn't practice it '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but PR comes up every now & then'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'PR people are tame :) Ask any Cuban :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL just look at my spelling , that got a B last year in year 12 ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, my cuz lived there a few years'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did the dingo eat your A and Bs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney: no conscience, may gut the USA so some of the rich may become richer'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that was his baby'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'he can't beat Obama so who cares?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the lastest there is that the dingo had help !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dropbear!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they finally made progress in this latest investigation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I knew they were in cahoots'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Santorum: religious nutter, seeking to bring back medieval catholicism'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow , who else thinks Obama will win the election ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the voters :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Obama sucks- I voted for him.  But there is no way I will vote for the clowncar of assholes the GOP is pushing in November.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Obama is not ideal by a long shot, but the people still remember Georgie :) The Republicans haven't lived him down yet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm working to get Hank the Cat to shift his campaign to the Presidency instead of the Senate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the american people tend to vote for "Anyone but <someone I don't like>" rather than voting for someone because it's who they like'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's because I think they're all scumbags.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as for sucking, you tell me what president hasn't (except for maybe Clinton :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'put me down to help on the Hank campaign trail !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and after the asprin between the knees and Rush Limbaugh- I bet most women aren't voting with the 'good ol boys' this November'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine The Newt as president. Talking about mass suicides in the US...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton definitely sucked.  Nipples, clits, perhaps even a big toe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, he did do that :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and he loved to smoke them cigars.  Bet he sucked on those after they were played with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what Limbaugh said is not the scary part, the scary part is that there are actually some people who agree with him :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least he didn't suck in the ways that matter to the country...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'bet he smoked with a fire lit by a hundred dollar bill, too'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was an effective president, hard t say about many of the others.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Clinton was not that great- he just happened to be sitting in the oval office when the greatest new global communication device was unleashed on the mainstream by US invention: the internets :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, didn't ever use his own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'He was also lucky to be inside an economic bubble before it burst.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, ok, so by that same reasoning Obama is not that bad, since he just happened to be sitting after the biggest asshole in US politics left office.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo political leaders take WAY to much credit for stuff they have little control of '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and way to little credit for stuff they have full control of and fubar'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And no, Obama is not that great, if measured by his actions. He just happens to have some of the best rhetoric we've heard from a president in a while.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Obama is Lady Gaga with a dick.  Either he's legitimately wacko and really believes in the rhetoric he's pushing, or he's a modern-day Grant who really has no business being President and has surrounded himself with all the wrong people who are making things happen for him (and/or getting caught doing so).'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'obama n hitler , great speaches '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his rhetoric cant fail to shine after 8 years of GW, the "dohs" where getting boring. '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'were*'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GWBush ruined the economic bubble -- OBL destroyed the USA by causing GWBush to destroy the finances of the USA through wwarmongering and reckless overspending'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not everyone would agree with that assessment, Zade. Halliberton would tell you that GW was a great president, for instance :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Enron would too :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they'll shoot you if you disagree (didn't they rename to hide their face?)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i think the PMC's that get paid 4x as much as soldiers would think he did a good job as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, osama was an econs major... probably knew that that was a bad time for the us to go to war, right after a recession and deep tax cuts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone that got rich off GW would tell you how great he was, the fact that they comprised about 2% of the population notwithstanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, 2% is better than 1%, rite?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's like students talking about how great a teacher was because of how little homework they assigned though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those Republicans that got rich and richer, from the carnage done by the republicans, like what the republicans did (and, secretly, what OBL did), and they want more'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so GW was helping more people than obama'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, true :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OSB made the observation that he just had to run over to one side of the country and wave his flag , then run to the otherside and wave it and he would bankrupt the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'It's the lesser of two evils with Obama.  The two party system we are locked into blows.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Can we pick an acronym or just call him TDG (the dead guy) ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is bankrupt :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us is far from bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except politically'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the other countries called in their debts the US would sink right into the cesspool :) Of course they would sink, too :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'morally ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we made it through the global downturn better than everyone else.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, the us could just print dollars'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the correct statement is "we made it through the global downturn (that we caused) at the rest of the word's expense".'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol that worked for argentina ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a bit of havoc, but the us can pay its debts as long as it controls its money supply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we really did.  Our economy didn't move an inch.  Everyone else sank like rocks or they had initial gains and lost it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pity about the inflation though, if that were to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no matter what happens , the woir'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US can pay its debt by cranking the printing presses, Sonshi. Might as well save the ink and just hand out rolls of toilet paper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I believe the talking heads here Oz got through the GFC pretty well'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'that's right the money is still there- it's just in the banks.  They bet on the bubble going up, gave easy credit to all, bet on the bubble going down and made off with everyones cash and home equity after getting a 'free market' 700 Billion $ taxpayer bailout.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Tzad: reasonably well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the debt's not big enough to cause hyperinflation if it had to be repaid that way...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'But it's not like Australians have a saving culture.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not yet, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'sad but true: the American people are dumb'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see? had the people stood firm and let the economy collapse, they would be better off now. There is a historical precedent for surviving a depression :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Japan was up at one point something like .  They lost it all.  Oz probably went about the same route, as did Britain.  Germany may have done better, but then there's the inherent losers like Greece and Ireland.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anar, that would mean inconvenience!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well not as much dumb as they are tame. They worship their leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, hyperinflation usually happens only when the govt owes debt not in its own currency, like owing debts in gold or someone else's currency.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no matter what happens, (except for a series of hot World Wars), the world is likely to continue -- BUT, there may be of lots of suffering and bloodsahd and mayhem and horrid things happening, until the economies reset'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I know Abe :) Sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the economy doesn't need to collapse or anything. The economic problems are all easily fixable'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only the political one that aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ones'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for us being so poor, even in crappy inner-city neighborhoods, practically household I look at has a nintendo DS, cell phones, etc...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'quite true- the banks would have failed but you and me- do we really have over 250,000 in the bank? Cause that was insured by the FDIC.  The speculators and gamblers would have lost it all like it should have been- but they commited economic terroism- held the economy hostage- and made everyone blink first, and took it all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the peeple wuz skeered'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gas the sheep....'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'sad but true- i'm 88,000 underwater on my home right now- and I didn't overspend- I bought well within my means.  Thanks wall street.  :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean can you imagine living in a world with no soap operas to watch? What do you expect, the people have their priority straight. Just pay them off and get back to watching the show :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok thats my home bell , time for bicycle torture agin '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich economies keep going for the rich, BUT the poor and the middle class are screwed over and over -- fun fun (if not getting screwed over and over - hence the importance of getting rich first)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bbl'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, unless (the editorial) you do something about it, it will continue. They know (the editorial) you will take any bf'ing they give you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I tell you, general strike :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, and all sort of magecraft going on.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'heheh'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you bow your head and accept what is happening to you, those that are doing it will continue.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps people will think twice about borrowing to buy property from now on... or for the next few years anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talkshows are cheap to produce -- how many like the stale predictable talent of Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show"'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'borrowing is the american way...just ask Wimpy'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'purchasing power is an awesome thing, Sonshi. You can't imagine how much power the consumer wields.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I've seen things like people go to a restaurant that treats then like shit and they love it, they want to go back. The people need some self-respect before they can fight the oppressors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the houses remain there no matter who owns them -- in the mean time(s), most of the USA becomes a nation of renters instead of home-owners'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, so what happens to the price of the houses if everyone decides to rent?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or better yet, build a tent city :) ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'landlords get rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the banks get away with what they get away because costumers walk in with their hats in their hands and act as beggars.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if everyone rents, prices of houses will depend on how much you can get in rent for it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wyrm is level locked...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really? Since when?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, it is, 175 :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the populace become slaves working to pay the rent, and the credit card bills, and the utility bills, and the phone/internet/tv bills, etcetera'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the solution is simple, isn't it? Don't borrow, live within your means. Let AMEX go banckrupt.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'through the carnage, the economy continues '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sixty years ago, the phone/tv bill was extremely small -- these days, the phone/internet/tv bill is at least a thousand dollars a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'the banks get away with it because they run the government now.  Citizens United!  '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sixty years ago, the populace was slim and trim, these days there is an obesity epidemic, and recently, more and more fat actors are appearing on tvseries and movies, ruining tv -- society is degenerating'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, there's no way jackie gleason woulda been on TV or movies years ago...wait...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jackie Gleason is "slim" compared to Mike on "Mike and Molly"  '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US to offer legal justification of extrajudicial killing of american citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/05/us-usa-security-americans-idUSTRE82402420120305'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(at least in the case of americans who "engage in terrorism against their home country")'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not news'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not specific to America'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, it's wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'will be interesting to see how they justify it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps via the "legitimate military objective" route...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the star wormwood in the bible = the earth, falling from heaven (the mysterious mind to the understand, space brain), worms under iceland'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for i have seen that god perceives man as little more than a worm'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bible verse, whether or not the old was written before the new'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas sighs.
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spiritual worms of set in the legend of the end of humanity, magic serpents that wear human skin, sort of like me looking out of my body's eyes or mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: '... and here i was geting used to "normal" druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at your faceless manifestation'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your words on screen give you affirmation that you exist, and require my faith to understand in reverse'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the internet's a better ouija board than that thing in your closet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the mirror can never look you square in the eye salvanas?  always your left is your right'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you must work for some nazi organization judging from your obsession with attacking my character instead of discussing subject matter, does donald trump sow potatoes in your ass for a living?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you're a mustang negro from shellgeria wearing a hippo god's avatar in a crocodile egg being devoured by a mongoloid'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the turkey i just ate didn't do nothing worth dying for, but i can think of several people who did - why is it unjust to eat people and save a turkey?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some cultures still eat people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shouldn't it be legal everywhere?  sort of like allah or jesus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as far as we know, turkeys lack sapience'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Are you volunteering to put yourself up for eating?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'think of the poor poor innocent baby carrots!'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you euthanize a dog , no matter if it's retarded or not, you're just doing your veterinary job like horse meat along the mexican border - they have emotions etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, as far as i ave researched, people have never complained about the taste of human flesh. one guy said it was kinda like veal'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hippopotamus crying for her gored baby'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so humans have feelings and shouldn't be eaten even if they deserve to'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already consume products made from human parts anyways, so why not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but humans taste good....'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much of an arguement there'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'humans are sapient. Or are assumed so anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, some humans brutalize other people and go through life thinking they're god eating things that deserved to die less than them - themselves being eaten for supper would be a progressive cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just meat that thinks it's god aren't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cleansing the gene pool the old fashion way'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least it thinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, if humans were raised organic, no chemicals in the diet or anything, then human meat might be worht eating'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people on welfare in america receive 10,000 dollars from the government in a year - exxon valdez receives 19.5 billion in 19 years - each inmate in california's sexual offender rehabilitation center is worth 250,000 dollars per year = 25 welfare recipients'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the us media never contrasts these realities for the voter to consider the words of the politician against'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did Druzil reach 26 years of age yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 20,000 inmates, you got yourself a rich prison warden'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people should be eaten in the us government i think'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil seems to lack holistic logic (or is trolling badly)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're attacking my personality like a nazi again, you are a member of the stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should have your self furnaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he has different values.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Thing is, not eating people is sort of a social contract. If you start eating people, you open the door for people to eat you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, those values are somewhere in the region of what most people consider to be deranged'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, like paying taxes to the government in new york city has the unwritten contract of paying taxes to the mafia so that your business doesn't burn down and you're not at the bottom of the manhattan river'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unwritten contracts aren't very valid - i'm more for absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is anybody here able to indicate the (obvious) reasons that cannibalism is extremely bad as a society function'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it sure means you better trust your landlord and hotel owner :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'encephalitis?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so can you pay taxess to just the mafia and skip the government or do both rely on eachother for existance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, if eating people became the norm, then someone would capitalize on that, and thus would progress a slow systematic genocide of the human race'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it happened with cows, so I don't think there'd be any different result with humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether a contract is valid in the minds of men often has little to do with whether they are written or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd rather eat sherrif's than smoked turkey's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since it can be proven by a retard with a lego block that they're not doing their jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suggests euthanizing depraved humans that advocate cannibalism
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(no eating them, merely euthanising them)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many innocent turkeys does sheriff eat in a year?  sheriff's guilty turkey's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'due process and all that. Shouldn't go around euthanising people for having insane beliefs, until they begin to act on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since sheriff's a stain on society and some bacteria eat parasites like him, eating them as a society should be a mandatory involvement in humanity's immune system'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cow's are interesting - it's written in the old testament chronicles/ikings if you skim through it - that the curse of jehovah was turning the king of babylon into a herd of cattle for 100 years, and 1 day to god is as 1000 years to man'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if your local sheriff's in cahoots with the mafia and you didn't do anything about it, that's also your failure as a citizen. Unless you're living in the DPRK or something.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where sacred cows actually come from ganesha'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mexican's who aren't heard on the media battling monsanto in mexico show that transgenic mutants can be identified by having 3 ears of corn per leaf instead of normal 1 ear per leaf'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cows are the only animal with 3 stomaches'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe had themselves some GMO science back in the days of satan michael's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mutate humans today, some zit cream gave people liver cancer back in the 60's and 70's - now they don't even link their zit creams to things like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'economics, habituation, increased depravity, cannibalism based on the false later excuse of established economics, increased flimsy excuses justifying murder and cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because the mafia government isn't going to take away a profitable tax from their sheriff'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slippery slope to depravity'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus they can murderize some turkey vultures while they're at it'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nip cannibalism in the bud: with extreme prejudice euthanise those that advocate cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't murdered by the government, the surgeon general said so - i heard it on channels 4, 40 and 25'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 2005 the us government passed double dosages of all toxic addititves to cigarettes like triple the cyanide nicotine won't kill people faster in japan'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I find advocating euthanasia for opinions just about as vile as advocating any other form of murdering people. '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can find a tin of tobacco from 1999 and compare it to one today - 1.3 milograms was as high as they came of nicotine'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that's the low end of the government murderers wannsee villa'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"and if God exists, then God dislikes cannibalistic societies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2.3-3.3 millograms'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the god that dislikes cannibalistic societies doesn't see their king on their servant's plate, take eat this is my body which is broken for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus god doesn't have such restrictions, kill and eat peter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, did you weep tears of sorow when seal team 6 euthanised OBL'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please reread my sentence where I stated 'for opinions' '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OBL was just misunderstood'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, lurn2read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I did.  SEAL teams aren't supposed to be in the news, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i prove that the government murders people with triple dosages of cyanide, runs gold mines in argentina, malaysia, brazil, mexico that murders people's water supplies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you know i can probably prove alot of other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some opinions are so vile (cannibalism advocacy), that those opinions do not deserve any mercy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'carbon capture projects that poison water tables and will spread because the media said they weren't the reason'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then you'll all die'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you'll say omg i heard it on channel 4, 40 and 25 that the surgeon general wasn't responsible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would classify euthanasia advocacy among those.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and eat your smoked turkey as it eats you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Once you cross the border into killing people because you don't like their opinions ... it's pretty hard to go back and pretty easy to go further.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'got to be pretty dumb to drink unpurified water these days with all the pollution around, if you had the choice not to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saying the word nigger is illegal if you're a white person in america, but if you listen to mtv you'll hear a black person say it 20 times per song'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funny thing about carbon capture is that everyone wants to put them in places prone to cave-ins.  One good earthquake and we're going to be dumping almost all of it back into the atmosphere in one giant WOOOSH!.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's freedom of speech and counter racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently Majic is unable to discern the difference between the various forms of "euthanasia"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you returned it to solid form, it wouldn't go into the atmosphere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, apparently xyliz is unable to discern the idea of a slippery slope and the difference between saying something ought to be legal and acting on it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equality yeah, sort of like in america they don't show the reason of the situation of starving black people across the ocean, while china feeds its 1.5 billion mouths and invests in america's future'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is xyliz on a vacation or something?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'racism's just an excuse to take your minds off of what's gonna kill you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, he's just playing his alts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's in the word nigger, when's the last slave whipper to walk america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they run maybe playboy today, cocaine industry, mafia'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not gone they just don't use the word nigger and import slaves on the free trade agreement across the tijuana border'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't make solid-state co2...way too cold to trust keeping it in a cave cracked open by The Big One.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people worship stupidity instead of understand concepts'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name's Zade (the Zadest)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, NAFTA didn't quite cover slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they didn't slip that in in a sub-paragraph? :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '2012, there's a slavery case pending in some rich-people neighborhood.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) God exists, God is okay with euthanasia -- as indicated by the book of the Apocalypse (where wicked humans are euthanised in billions)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all forms of selling of labour without consent was finally abolished in the us in 1927, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that only makes it illegal, not not-happening.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although it may still happen in the us now, it's illegal in theory.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the god of justice isn't the god of the bible, that's a creation of human's possibly perverting ancient religions and natural wisdom into the will of their king's tool'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and has been illegal for nearly a century'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan made extensive use of gods as did muhammed and the king's of today, it is the will of allah to rule egypt for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the only gay concept of god any race of people on earth has today, people who believes their god hates them are the closest to being true to themselves about their ignorance whether or not they exist than any other group'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god will serve me and give me surgars if i do the will proceeding from teh liars tongue and hands on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all as far as god ever got somebody, satan only serves the desires of humans long enough to staple their souls into his possession forever, or to lure them into his service'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you see holy tabernacle miracles everywhere on earth today?  or is satan already convinced you're all deceived and your fear will keep you herded'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no need for talking serpents on sticks in real time - we have stupidity and mysticism instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'satan stapled my soul once'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it kind of reminded me of Peter Pan'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've seen more than only innocent christ who i never seen murdered in my life, video tapes etc, news stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does Eureka know about your pet names, Abe?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what makes who i seen killed or mutilated less valuable than some dead storybook jew character of the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there were video tapes of christ getting murdered?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of nazi propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'mel gibson had a delorian'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Apocalypse speaks of humans chopped into small-sized pieces (for birds of carrion to eat -- is Apocalypse approved -- since birds are different to humans) (no cannibaliusm there, only christian God-approved euthanasia)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this little albino girl had being mutilated in common with jesus, isn't that wonderful, the messiah wasn't in the little girl though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... this is interesting...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/19/business/as-prison-labor-grows-so-does-the-debate.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's somewhere else, turn the other cheek now like a good christians, the problem will pass like it never has before'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe slavery hasn't been completely abolished, depending on the particulars of the programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'british and dutch gold mines assist in the mutilation of albino children in superstitious tanzania'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you depraved sinners are cast into the Lake of Everlasting Torments, ye be agonising for "Euthanasia" relief'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not without consent...they consented when they committed the crimes :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see it a valuable expenditure to replace their government with somebody responsible who will teach them better'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just worthless negro's after all - see racism, purchase some gold rings for your trophy wife in america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist, i see people who don't see racism in their wedding rings'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'assuming they were guilty'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wedding ring is racist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prove the supply chain of it arriving on your finger'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'count how many casualties and the investments made by your accumulative purchases'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, it seems some may have been placed in solitary or otherwise punished for reporting abusive practices'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is racist (and or a liar traitor), especially those that say they are not racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'racism is in the genes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is the economy in the genes too?  i see empathy in people - it's how world vision makes people's inheritances payable to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'add to the fact that selective enforcement and framing is a problem in some areas, and it seems to me that those programs are a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, racism is in the economy though, you bet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'slave master'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'empathy - you don't want to burn in hellfire do you?  well, if you don't do the will of allah you just will, because it's said here this and that, plus we outcast people who don't worship our god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'come share our ignorance in common, worship our fear and become the hand of the victorious god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much money's invested in allah in a year?  think god has much to do with money?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money flows through the veins of all god's, like the economy through humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the story of bel and the dragon is the best example'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus would wear a Rolex on his television show.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even named a internet telecommunications company after it, although they figure it's a phone company's inventor'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the false priests and their family invented the ipad with flaws to fix in mind, and daily offerings were made unto the god in antivirus software'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after 3 years of installation flaws were revealed and the papistry was employed forever after'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's basically what all gods are, mystified mysterious whore gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if people seen teh false gods for what they are today and called them out on their manifestation then the world would be in constant turmoil'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sheep wouldn't be led like sheep to teh slaughter as much'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's ultimately offensive to see conceptually, and the reality verifying the understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those human's are liars and honest people are destroyed for them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they purchase honest people for their deception'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's mortality - life itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'verify your necrogod'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now the offense is ultimate, no time beyond now - and this is the only thing verifiable'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they'll sit there and laugh for generations to come forever until everything on earth is dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because you're all stupid cowards, en masse, 99% of humanity'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their bravery is wielded by liars'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no i'm not coward, but you're afraid of acknowledging the real enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1.5 billion chinese people on earth - and in 4000 years there's been 2 peasants or commoners to become their leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's 40 of your lifetimes, but more likely 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because not everybody lives to see 100, most reproduce at 20'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '40 * 5 - 200'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '200 lifetimes of generational inheritance of master slavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and still i don't see not god shangrila jehovah allah speaking for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how reality is, death doesn't look so bad when that's seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_2 if you pause this movie around the scene where they're watching the CIA operative changing in the apartment through binocular's, you can hear a dialogue where the oil companies give the Shah of Iran a US money printing press/plate in exchange for drilling in Iran - what was the subliminal message meant to be told to the movie viewer in america?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1958'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since the US did do that, I don't see the problem :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty weird, they should discuss that and it's applications/implications in america and today's hormuz conflicts'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what was it used in investing in?  and what were the intentions of the bargainers'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cnn misses alot of interesting history, so does history school though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scriptwriters dislike the USA government subsidy of oil companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's possible, mocking the viewers stupidity through their government's darkness is also possible though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone knows that the US put the Shah in power just for the oil rights. They also trained the SAVAK'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess if they didn't include that in the script nobody would have known about it though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do go that going for them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bit of truth in most fictions'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when the Shah's regime fell, the SAVAK agents moved to Orange County :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh that's how it got the big debt whore collections and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about that on some tv show, didn't link them though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '... and Oklahoma City.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'geez, they got rid of the people in the caboose doing the assistant navigating for computers, instead of using both incase one messes up the correction of the conductor, and still they manage to get a 1 km long steel machine on the wrong track with their computers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcgSHintmc4&feature=g-logo&context=G23fafd8FOAAAAAAAdAA'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad, it was after alberta's back in the 80's when they used only computers totally i think'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less money than employing somebody to make sure the computer's accurate, instead of somebody trusting that 8000 signal's are accurate'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a big mistake, hard to really explain how something like that can happen, if they're going too fast maybe they should explain what the hurry is'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but with the amount of cruise ship inaccurate GPS navigation's etc recently i think computer espionage/sabotage is possible, most of the navigation systems and networking methods are imported and foreignly observed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one way to make sure your government puppets stay on your strings - if you don't do according to this or that an accident like what just happened can happen some more'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think like an evil person though, people are mostly evil - i notice tragedy, but i know that it continues no matter if you stop seeing new ones or if you trying and figure out the mind behind their reincarnations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why canada doesn't build its own helicorpters, produce it's own grain, use it's own lumber for it's own mansions, feed itself for abundance, have cheap fuel or fuel it produces for itself, and is managed from foreign nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even a vehicle is partly assembled in ontario, partly in china, partly in australia from mexico, and partly from america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all them people say if you don't do this or that or you try and build your own shit that means war'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's good to hate them, because that's the way they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'what are you guys talking about ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "that's why" was non seqniter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world control and how it appears to operate, if maliciously designed how a train could be on the wrong track'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the reason that happens in the first place, - is it random like your denial of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'a big question'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they keep the black plague stored in a vault in some evil person's laboratory without storying just the data for a cure if it ever comes around again, in cultures they reproduce it, they dug through mass graves to find a living sample'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the kind of people would be controlling your train networks etc, since all your infrastructure is dependent upon it and they're the ones who can wip you all out'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot more researched than your sloppy affirmation of a false god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they modified the h1n1 flu virus in europe and reported that they're stopping research on their mutant strain incase it comes into terrorrist hands'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 2007 soldiers arriving in washington hospital from iraq were carrying a strange flu virus which escaped into the public, '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that tells me that h1n1 is just a modified virus invented by humans currently in control of europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and all them people who get sick or die from it were murdered by enemies who are never put on trial'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because accidents can happen if the government sees them '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it all adds up to the control structure that i assume exists'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'h1h1 was pretty rampant 35 years ago...when the vaccine for it was created'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell me how you would put a 1.5 kilometre long train on the wrong track with no knowledge that being your job in poland, where dissidents to the government are thrown overboard and drowned at sea in the recent past?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't make very many mistakes there when it comes to administration of those kind of things, so what other answers are there'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asleep at teh wheel?  i don't think they'd risk that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are mistakes in the directions of your accusations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's everybody's concern, cause if that was actually intelligently designed and they do it there and nobody publicly considers that it was intelligently designed, then they rule your land too, because your land isn't that land'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'matlock would possibly be skeptic of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this land is my land'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can fill in the details if i want, but they add up to a just assumption'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guilty until proven innocent is the best way to be on this world, where even the law is a liar'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do republicans and democrats get their presidential jobs by being honest and telling people how it is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, they need holllywood marksmannship'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of cartoons'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the ruling of your existance is done by cartoons then what does that say about your idea of reality?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not too much to me - i do hope the train was an accident and feel sorry for them people, but it's a more general concept that i'm thinking of - and there's infinite proof's created every day to support it, it's like devil worship of a unmystical variety, pessimism is the most honest state of mind on the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'too many "non sequiters", missing pieces of data and logic, lack of foundation, false and unjustified innuendos and aspersions -- "objection sustained" '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'web bot was written by High and Ur which are elevation of a ancient land in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who invented the random creators of the 9/11 electronic prophet that didn't work for the CIA?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such a random naming convention, this is a strange programming language of society'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how was the CEO of intel microchip's named after 1 of 2 female twins in the movie the shining?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too many non sequiters for me, hard to quit with such strange realities everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which sequence would you like to follow first, each is required to see the next, and how come they're odd'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the master's deck of cards'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the deranged plaintif is babbling incoherently'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to be thought deranged by your sick world than sane in it's missing eyes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh look blind nazi government is poisoning it's water table of 80,000,000 civilians who aren't going to receive britta water filters after all is contaminated'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not see isn't nazi, no bible quips here'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false pride stumbleth before a fall'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only pride to have on earth is false when you see the outcome of everybody's efforts under the flag of your devil master'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even the christianity's ultimate good is a lake of fire walk on glass earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nirvana is the absence of everything, the pyrrho even nothing cannot be proven to not exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'allah is dictatorship under witchburning king's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and torment of the heathen infidel christian lake of fires in burning torment and harrowing fetters (feathers)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not forget the Inquisition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, there's romo for all of that, bolivians aren't too fond of spanish christer history'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"poorly-uneducated fools babble incoherently where wise researchers are more cautious to venture rash opinions"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'properly called the Holy Office'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'zade reminds me of the clown in spawn or the devil's advocate working for the tobacco company in constantine'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's always going after the personality instead of discussing the subject matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a nazi mendele would mind control mk-ultra'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you are dumb no personality retard labotomoy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is facts you can't see them right see i said you can't and thus it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's zade to me, can't focus on nothing except personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then hide behind the imms, omg he did a personal attack but i didn't, he's too dumb to see that i did'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrite, like those saducheeze and farisee's in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to discuss incoherently presented gibberish, other than to call a "an incoherent spade an incoherent spade"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Zade.
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the deranged defendant is babbling incoherently'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can't keep up to my thoughts stream then maybe you should eat some chemical warfare like they fed me growing up'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm. MSG'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you require experience to empathize with people, otherwise you're blind watching disney cartoons'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't you at fault by failing to glean the data no matter how presented, Zade?"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then it's funny how people look for somebody they consider less fortunate than themselves and as a group collectively rally around not being them, themselves all being fools of their cartoon master who they vote for'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they all judge somebody a fool even when who they judge is wiser than them, and themselves get played as fools by the same people who play their fool as the fool'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's sometimes hard to see the difference - why i think one sin is as bad as the next in the bible comes from'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes the group's fool sees the ones who make fools of the group that makes them their fool - i guess it's a sort of justice'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people don't die blind while being the fool of those who do'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least reality's in tact yeah?  i didn't believe in false gods and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had no faith in humanity to lead me astray'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faith in people = they're evil, if any deviate then they're to be cautiously separated from the flock'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how's life without reality?  bunch of cartoon worshippers, eating the lies that rule your souls on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i find it hard to take any criticism from anybody on the world seriously until i understand questions like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"subsistence without solid foundation -- bunch of insincere bible-thumpers, misquoting the lies that deludes the incoherent babbling in the rambles"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'subsistence without solid foundation is also like where did the orca's go?  can you explain the difference of atheism and acknowledgement of ignorance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure maybe they're just suicide kamikazee's and atheist too, knowing what they're doing, lake of fire mysterium is their end game planet death?  mockery of the fools believing the lies instead of the world realigion?  you're a funny person zade, you should explain these realities before judging their judge'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the japanese ate the orcas ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah , that was a 500 pound tuna fish'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the orca's got washed ashore in floods of chemical dispersant oil lubricant new zealand tankers etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heimdal oil field in norway solid foundation deism of horn of ragnarok'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shell wild horses pocahontas legend sable island oil sands carbon capture project athabasca river system'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death death death, all kinds of death that the world performs the inescapable reality of in their habits'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i try to come to understanding of what it is they worship if not suicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'athabasca river system is the largest river system on the american side of the world, cool how they poison the water for tar sand extraction isn't it?  drink up the britta water filters water table maps from your municipal waste department in italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people can live far without water, i heard it from the world leaders'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see water as a concern except in africa where their ignorant leaders can't poke holes in the ground to provide'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why donate to world vision while they turn your own land into the land you donate to?  the rich poor divide, dish out another billion dollars for a G-summit and automate some assembly tasks in chinese mexican slave labour camps for daily shipments of cocaine through walmart's border patrol's as they moved the american distribution facility from detroit to facilitate this central transaction?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most likely thing that's happening, of course you can't prove it in the land where the investigators are employed by it'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hong kong wasn't built in a day, that took alot of hard opium'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'British supplied hard opium'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't like today's crook's, they don't deserve what they have - unlike the crooks when swords and axes were the law, then they had to not get killed to have what they got, and to trespass required putting your own neck on the line - of course religions and money are facility's by which this process can be removed from their lapdances'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america and canada's money is decided how much is it worth in somebody who really does care over in israel and amsterdam and honduras'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much is your mineral rights?   remember, can't live for more than a week without water, and that's what is being destroyed by your oil industry's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'horses used to be transportation before being dog food and friday night bets'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the water was just fine and dandy until within the last decade of course, when it tastes like fart gas and dead animals litter the ground where vegitation refuses to grow -> Cenovus study finds CO2 not leaking from ground http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/cenovus-study-finds-co2-not-leaking-from-ground/article2254078/ the law of the land feels that the average iq of their citizens is low enough to lie outright to them about their own knowledge being flawed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out the article, that'll be spread across the entire world, as philanthropist energy dictates your lives with the proof that this is a sufficient sustainable method they developed, thanks to the negligence of the canadian government's, entrusted with the lives of their citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which are hereby going to be destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is just one of uncountable instances of negligence that is unforgiven'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian government paid all small hog farmers to sell their operations to the government using canadian tax dollars and top dollar per pound of pork, which they can now raise at will - in exchange they install their corporate pork machine pigs which are GMO products - pretending that they are neccessary instead of the real thing, their mutations spreading into human's not considered by the blind government'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the evidence that they weren't neccessary because they purchased their 'solid framework' by obliterating independence from the corporation'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard working politicians, always getting away with crime, and passing on the job to their offspring - true cowards'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can soembody describe to me, zade maybe, what mensa eugenics superior mind execution protocols of superior breed of Vril humans has any place in the world where the leader's can't rule by honesty?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting by in life through lies alone's a pretty shallow existance, isn't it?  a man is his words'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody in arabia asks their king that executes them by holy decree to prove that allah is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance, i bet you even feel fear reading that, projecting my assassination possibly, one of their fatwa cartoonist jihad jane cases'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, he spends 500 million dollars on twitter, i don't use twitter do you?  nobody can prove god exists cause their god doesn't speak for itself, independent faith is unreasonable though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence is chaos, why biker gangs can't coexist, etc, no independent thought'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody has their own god understanding then the government has an enemy that they didn't invent, and that's why everybody fears schizophrenia and mental illness so much'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'king george was a lunatic by all historic accounts - he was also the one who started the war of 1812'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he also spoke in 3 languags by the age of 8'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're all retards is a better way to control you than think like king george'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychiatrists are few and far between, none make less than 250,000 dollars in a year - and they all know one another through direct or indirect methods'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they control the population's mind - they have faith that you don't have faith in your own mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible even has a verse stating to beware, for satan can appear as an angel of light - so here's the mysterious realm of angels and demons and the bible with the answer or else you'll burn in hell, islam adds some smokeless fire djinns too for special effects and more detailed certification, another mysterious element is here'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the reader trying to tell which metaphysical witness is a angel which is a devil which is a schizophrenia which is a ghost which is a djinn etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is just a thought'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you tell me the difference, no preacher's seem to be able to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have it written in their books that they're unable to tell who's the devil and who's the christ though, without faith - faith like the worshippers had on elijah's hill slicing up their bodies to bleed for the demon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Ursula LeGuin says: Light is the left hand of Darkness :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the devil and the christ might also be complementary.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't doubt that some force stronger than death seems to exist for better or worse, whether they're different or not remains to be seen, maybe they're like mood swings of the same invisible reality, or maybe that reality has a master within which all bodiless manifestations exist like thoughts of eachother in their heads, free to do as they will within the non-physical realm of spirituality, possessing people as demons etc, otherwise the world government's would sit back and watch as all the water is poisoned, the future is risked on unproven man-made mutations to the soil and habitat of survival and criminals wouldn't mock the justice of people who deserve respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'WHO FEELS LIKE READING A PARAGRAPH>?  NOT THIS GUY *WINK'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like the whole world is a lie you see, that's what the previous person became, he falls into their service'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You would be too dumb to read a paragraph anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but what i just stated is real manifestation of verifiable reality of a spiritual principle that is either good or evil or having mood swings etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt that there is either absolute good or absolute evil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way an atheist would risk the future on his lego block's and frankenstein projects'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's no way 8 billion thinking individuals would let one do the thinking for them and lead them into that snare'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'OH nos! Lego Frankenstein'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the end of it's death, nature proved itself but all human mutations seem to result in death, depending how they're used'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh noes stretcher in a 1972 american corn blight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'GMO seeds from texas versus the proven corn of nature'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course GMO wins all the time, cause there's not evil spirits in control of their minds as they watch the evidence of their own failiure'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and install their replacements'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature can adapt, GMO can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although GMO seeds communicate with non-gmo weeds which alters their immune systems, which causes nature to adapt to gmo, which they know about'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use all that to change it all, all the side effects are intelligently callibrated, and if they know them all then what is not evil about them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here's your lawyers saying that GMO isn't a produce of the devil, like removing potash from under the earth and pouring it on crops that aren't fertilized naturally anymore, and there's no fertilizer under the desert except where a lake once stood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'science tells us that the mantle is a hot place, don't want to go there, and hot air rises, and up isn't down too, plus there is water and oxygen down below with the potash, which floats on up to the roots of the plantsies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's some vegetation science not explored by the industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil, your meds seem to be taking you through a cycle of coherence and insanity. If you are reading this tomorrow, please consider seeing another doctor.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheist science, they got it all figured out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even have children to inherit the world they have so perfectly challenged'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're gonna go far, further than the 535 million years of their bacterial culture'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they figured this out within 100 years of progress'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'toy poodles are a littler older, maybe 800 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'can I fart on this channel now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell them to give me more meds then'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'enjoy your farts, they'll follow you into the future that i showed you're gonna go to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's your ingelligence, a fume in gods asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'if i bothered reading it all....'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, reading's bad for you, it might make you learn something, which is against the nwo'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'NWO like on wrasslin'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'was this supposed to be another aethest arguement on debate?  i zoned out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'vince macmahon claimed to be the beast of revelation on one episode, but that wasn't the wcw'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chris benois and the actor on the movie medium raw: night of the wolf both died of mysterious circumstances too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wrestling might be a murderous industry like your sense of humour too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I paint pictures of poop....no seriously I do'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and south park's author's are who you want to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have that in common with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want to watch some 50 cent with me, we can pretend to be black together, shoot up some heroine and dance with the girlies in our stolen slimo's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe we can be the space marines in our favourite video game and battle the evil aliens of the human race'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the back of our limo's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have GPS navigation robots from korea doing the driving, discriminating which stop signs to acknowledge or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're playing with our genitalia and others and having a day, eating some sushi french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher admires the shape of The Imp Druzil's tinfoil hat
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's the high life, we live on the 90th floor of the world trade center'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have a private helicopter pad on our balcony'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the order of the tinfoil hats was actually a south african world war 2 fighting unit'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a memoration ceremony dedicated to them once a year or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where the cia's mind-mockery mk-ultra subliminal messenging ultrasonic ufo remote control psychiatry comes from timbuktu'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mocking intelligence is godwars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'correction makes more sense, but everybody knows penetentiary's are anything but, and there's a prisonplanet website'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the local rapper nobody heard of went to jail to do some hard time for selling of narcotics, now he comes out an idol of his street kindredk, worshipped by all the brotherhoods selling the product in the hood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'made a few friends in jail, thinking a head to the future and how this valuable asset will fit into their occupations'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heay mayn i can hook ya up bra'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'let me have some of that glow'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'timbuktu is used in common american slang today even, people say it and don't explain what it is, a decrepit abandoned city in africa, but they repeat it, dummy went to timbuktu haha, what a funny dummy, they don't even know a geographical location 5000 miles away, fucking stupid nobody'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people flew to timbuktu to verify that they're not fucking with themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might be chopped into pieces and sacrificed to the golden idol of one of their voodoo gods if they tried, yeah?  but everything's for Sale in morocco, nobody wonders how come morocco city got the name of what they do every day with their lives'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much do you get paid for an hour of your time at your asshole bosses office?  you're for Sale, yeah?  Sale is a place in morocco, so you're for morocco geographical location, that's a strange thing to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did the big bossers at the vatican name the transferral of money in tandem or in what order of the location in africa?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only 800 million people who use the word sale in a day 30 times each'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invocation of a name is a form of spirituality in some circles, the being it belongs to arrives at utterance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you summon some ancient voodoo ritual gods every time you sell something'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind-games my ass, they leave them unexplained when they don't have to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's because they work it somehow, mysteriously - like you pipe up your mouth whenever you see your bosses hypocrisy on display'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's your traitorous thing, worshipping a man made of decaying meat like yourself for some of his money coming from his hairy nipples as you murder the planet your mother spat you from'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go ahead, doesn't mean i'm gonna, you're about the definition of homosexual i think is argued from the bible today, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggots having sex with women, sure thing, generations get more and more corrupt don't they?  you bet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they get it from you and your pappa sucking the hairy nipples of your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your mother wasn't a man was she?  i sure hope not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hermaphrodies do reproduce though, as long as they're natural it's fine yeah?  doesn't mean it's for Sale though, but of course all of your children are bought and sold in the world, like your suddam hussein's and charles manson's and other things like them, everything's a glamour like a witch, stupidity is your magic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey i know they don't know this or that, i sure have faith in their ignorance, aren't i much smarter than them for not assuming transparency of knowledge greedy person you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pigs, just like demons, how much more stupid can they get?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being dead's about the only state of mind lower than this current world leaders i can fathom'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i haven't reached there yet, but we might all some time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how business works, stupidity, that's what makes you rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't make something that's original , neccessary, built to last, high quality asset of humanity, you fertilize their ignorance and dependence upon you and don't share your methodology with them so they are independent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're like a human analogy to a metaphysical demon concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spirituality's everywhere, not a dull moment in sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a rare word used called homopsychology that describes this transcendental homosexuality propogating throughout the generations of decay, in the bible they're referred to as a backwards generation and insult against the faithful, which currently think that it's the other way around and they're not in the definition of what they hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'homosexuality has been around as long as there has been humans, the Bible is not that old :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't get it then, i discussed people having sex with women having offspring in the world while sucking hairy nipples of oil man destroying the water that their children will be poisoned by'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I wouldn't regard it as the definitive text on the subject :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're murdering the 'mother earth' which is a pretty homosexual thing to do, and sucking a man's hairy nipples for his milk money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they think they're stupid too, they have faith in their own inability to think for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they project that into others, this is where homopsychology comes into play'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'business etc, you don't go very far by making people independent of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a waaaay-out-there abstraction of reality, Druzil :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's also the most accurate depiction i can think of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like how the author of the picture of the demon pulling babies out of its vagina to eat had in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't see that picture many places, but it makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does ford automobiles figure, you can't understand how to build your own car's and require our franchise to show you how to do it correctly, but we have to have a 45% cut of your business'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everywhere in the world their faith in your stupidity and inadequacy gives them money, which they use to buy and sell you with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars are designed these days deliberately so that joe bloggs can't do basic maintenance on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not ford, it's all of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, it stinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true - absolutely true, you need special tools to access the computer, which is destined to filter every function in a automobile'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, governments collude with them to this end'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and in ultimate mockery of anybody who uses a computer, they install and contract out ford computer operating systems and microchips to install in automobiles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which are all accessible via GPS satellite transferral of information, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much can be done, except buying/using very old vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what some hax0r has a bad day or the government says that's the case and cuts everybody not driving a honda's brake lines one day'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government offered big bux to hand in your dinosaur automobiles in 2007'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours hasn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, apparently in 2014 new cars will be required to have backup cameras in them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but strict road fitness tests means most old cars won't make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like film camera's went extinct in order to save the environment the large fraction of pollution caused by the development of the film'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cow farts are a bigger source of ozone h2s stuff than all the oil industries in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why?  FOR THE CHYYYLLLLDRRRRUN who get run over by their lame-brain idiot parents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they need special flax hay that reduces the farting potential in a cows 3 stomaches'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, cool, I get to pay a couple hundred bucks extra when I get a new car for the sake of some dumbfuck breeder's brat.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they cut a hole in a cows side and monitored its fart buildups in tehir studies on pollution reduction'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be long before satellite tracking/speed&g monitorring will be required in all cars for the purposes of "insurance"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're already starting that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except you plug a thing into your car's computer port'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but you know what, on the CTV news 2 years ago they had the mythbusters and several other people take a picture of themselves with their digital camera's and send them in for forensics, and they traced all of thsoe photo's to within 30 metres of origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It transmits the info to the insurance company, and they either give you a deal or dick you based on whether they like your driving'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the real reason they got rid of film camera's, they just gotta know it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'control is the only thing they care about, you can't fix or build your own cars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they include gps coordinates on all of your digital photographs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Personally, it makes me want to buy only older vehicles.  I'll have to save up and get something like a sports car or a decent pickup truck.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get an old army jeep'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get something flash else you'll be pulled over every 3 seconds'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or a Humvee with a machine gun on it, then I can SHOOT PEOPLE'S KIDS in the parking lot instead of running them over.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly there's some paint you can buy that defeats their radar's, but it's more illegal than cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument is academic overe here - soon only the superrich will be able to afford to drive'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's the idea, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They want to force everyone into public transportation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think life was probably a higher quality back when you could ride your horse through the country and there was free gas all around'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't any'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's why so many old junkers are on the road'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cost of the car isn't the issue here, it's the cost of running it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mix in some of the modern stuff and it's a alright world, but that's gonna be impossible in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody can afford a ridiculously overpriced new car with all those fancy bells and whistles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't even confirm it ever existed, except it's in the movies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recent study here shows the average cost of running a car in the UK is $11,000 a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, you're talking UK.  I'm in the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now people aren't satisfied with having everything, they always need more, there's no even distribution of thing's that matter to a life, it's all hoarded by people who don't respect what they have'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here they want to drive up the price of the car so nobody can afford one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars themselves are relatively cheap'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brand new cars from $12k'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen the northern lights in the sky tonight, that's pretty cool isn't it?  they lose their amazing affect after your mind gets traumatized by a few years on earth in the human world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that The Imp Druzil person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everything was like the northern lights the world would be a pretty cool place, but instead mister burn's has to patent them and tax them to see'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts curls up next to The Imp Druzil, wrapping his tail around himself.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is a nice big meteorite to come and wipe out half the world's population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scary thing is, that'd only take us back to the population in 1980'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, hopefully it hits China and India'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, they're not really the problem, so we also need something that targets the snobbish capitalist authotarian types'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'population wouldn't be a problem if mind-control wasn't the dictatorship of the world, and mutual understanding was the goal, the real government's ultimate agenda should be for people to govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the case anywhere that i'm aware of, unless they plan on making people all android robot's controlled from a central processor'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise there's always tension and stuff that doesn't have to exist but does cause nobody put the effort into treating the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government passed a law requiring ISPs to snoop on their customers and report anyone complicit in illegal file sharing'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'UK is a regular police state now, I hear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's approaching saudi arabia, nogs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but dressed up in tolerance and multiculturalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have freedom of speech provided you don't talk about anyone or do anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I heard it was turning into Pakistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech should not be limited by offence caused, but by truth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't you have a lot of paki's over there now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a lot of everyon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam makes up 3% of the population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3% of the known population, probably 10% of the actual population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only problem i have with islam is how if you discuss it like you see them blaspheming christ on cartoons etc common speech even their own thoughts it's a personal self-reproach if you feel badly for whatever you say or do, but islam makes it a physical reality using it's servants bodies to enforce through homicide and other things, threats that are sentient here on earth, and for a god that doesn't speak for himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So Britain is the future Derkaderkastan?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the issue is that militant islam isn't islam'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or isn't taught correctly, revealed to the cult's participant who exactly it is, no need for a filter priest in the way like that businessman who won't share his methods'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine not all people who believe in the good parts of islam, assuming there is some, are bad people though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam is pretty badly degraded from the original teachings of the prophet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can see it now, "Durka durka Allah!" is the national motto, and a new caliph will take over the throne.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the other ones really fuck it up, can't live in peace without fear of being murdered or destroyed for your own thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, Shariah Law was not invented or penned by Mohammed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't even penned in Mohammed's time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are silent don't want to fight fire with fire, but i see it as a problem that's personal, because it trespasses against my own ability to think - and again that's maybe not all islamic people, but that group that enforces their own version of the god who doesn't speak for himself's will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a little bit like Christianity being women and gay bashers despite it only being in Victorian interpretations/rewriting of the bible that this comes from'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(prod republican candidates)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smelllll that hypocrisy'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i read the bible and have a revelation that i think is correct and go and do something in the world, and maybe i wasn't correct, why can't god do things that affect the world instead of the individual nature of a individual himself, their own choice?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion generally has failed in the world because people have misunderstood or forgotten it's purpose'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that god had anything to do with the bible :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who go around murdering others and saying god told them to kill etc, using god as their justice are usurping god to me, they are trespassing against the unknown and alot isn't known about even the human mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god is largely irrelevant in religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and saying, i am the unknown, but you see that you know they're not unknown, they're a person claiming to be god incarnate, his living will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i see that too, i see these kind of religions mostly as ways to control people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all about supernatural love of divine being'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'controlling people, or at least convincing people to follow their set of moral rules'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which you have to put into context of the knowledge of the people of the time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or nothing like that, there's a few that lean one way or the other more extremely, but i think real god wouldn't need a human book to reveal itself to whoever it wants'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, no science, therefore have to blame every good/bad thing on gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i don't think his will would have to be enforced with murder and things like that when he hosts the minds that think of him in his firmament'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'peoples lives might just be games when they're not the ones being played, but i got more empathy than alot of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at it another way: Are your savages going to be good and moral creatures that follow these great guidelines you (some charismatic mortal bloke) set out because a) you're a nice charismatic bloke, or b) because god will be angry if you don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see my idea of ultimate justice god being much of a person to make a fool out of a mortal creation however insignificant it may appear, like a mother hippopotamus crying as it realizes it can't assist it's gored offspring'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so god invests the time to give the hippo a concept of connection to something extraneous to itself, it's offspring'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he's too lazy to communicate without murder his message to the world from his book'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that makes me doubtful of all scriptures by default i look for what the authors are up to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take them for what they are, wise parables and stories passed down from elders'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even crocodile's feel sorrow when they see one of their many hatchlings get snatched by an eagle'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reptiles with feelings, who would have thought?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but god's too lazy and serpents are the devil in the lazy bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the devil has feelings too, he's just a mean old crocodile shaking the reeds in the wind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who teach stuff like the bible shouldn't try to hide the realities they attribute to god from the minds of the participants who can consider them for themselves, and leave the threats up to the real-time judge to dish out whenever he will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i say shouldn't but i shown that business and government is based on the opposite, and god invests time in the lives of the most insignificant of creatures on earth that neither of the former does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible mentions in one of the gospel verses that we deal with principalities of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a pretty amazing ability to be able to show several systems in the world being a form of devil-worship, if the devil is contradictory to the tears of the crocodile'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'druzil: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/061010/lightbulb-fact.gif'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would i go to your unknown until now url and take a look at your tooth mockery, for real, it's not something common '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ever had your teeth pulled out of your face?  it doesn't feel too good, but neither does having them decay out of your mouth from the water you drink and food you eat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess they can't teach that in torture class, cause otherwise the soldiers can't eat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you rescue children from poverty by donating money (the reason by which they are poor) to charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why i don't donate to charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is why i encourage others to do the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there insufficient land in your country so that people can't grow enough food for themselves?  etc, how about the iron ore dug up from your mountains and stuff, can't melt them with the gasses you sucked from the under the earth to poison your water into your own vehicles etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's there to rescue you from direct allocation and usage of your own resources as a nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty standard examples of a population getting larger than it's habitat's ability to sustain it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think of charities too, my answer in social studies class what would you do if you had a million dollars to make a difference in the world with, i said i'd feed all them starving children on the television commercials so i don't have to watch them anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but in reality all of the money sent there who knows where it actually ends up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'militant islamic groups and corrupt government officials, generally'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the average charity worker in canada 'earns' over 125,000 dollars in a year, which is twice as much as somebody working for a living'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't it give you a warm feeling that all your donation money buys russian AK47's for militant groups to shoot farmers and rape children in Africa?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the harper government doubled all donations made to somalia during their famine with tax payer dollars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if some canadian entity was to donate 80 billion dollars to somalia, the canadian tax payer would pay 80 G-summit's to equal this great charitable work'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cbc news , paid 4 billion canadian tax payer dollars in a year, never considered these possibilities and the safeguards and assurances against their actual manifestation in the world to set the minds of the citizens at ease and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just suckin on the guilt and empathy, the good intentions without acknowledging the negatives that are present everywhere in a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they could provide a paper trail that is verifiable by independent honest sources who don't know eachother but report the same thing etc, then they wouldn't have the problems like these'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but because they're most likely corrupt they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing will change, people are typically too stupid to live. We need the British Empire back - that'll show them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, enough to make a maggot puke, ashamed of eating the death provided by such a feeble human liar like that, can't even be honest about charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody who can sit back and watch children starve to death while he sits on a mountain of grain and substance is the kind of person people's thoughts of the devil are build upon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he has so much to eat that he couldn't eat it in a billion lifetimes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think having enough is enough, if i had more than that i would be ashamed of myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i expect the same in otehrs but it's surprising how few people actually share that basic understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's a war to be fought somewhere it would be being fought, they wouldn't be not addressing the issues that result in fat bastards starving children to death, those would be their main concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world vision hasn't raised an alarm in africa for it's 50 years of charitable services'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a pretty advanced place, grows alot of grain for china and stuff like that, putting an honest government in place there is against the interests of the entire world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what does donating money to them do?  anything better?  your government seems to think one's ok but the other's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come there wasn't no war on terror during the cease fire from 1991-2000?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey starving people and stuff, fat bastards getting fatter and children being sacrificed to voodoo witchcraft idol's of american gold mines'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something war on terror here , imagine of some of those oppressed children got out and took out their anger on america'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck that, i guess we better use force and bloodshed instead of honesty'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the crime level among african and asian immigrants here is staggeringly high'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't know how to win war's without use of force, and what's the main crime is a politicians job is to fight wars with words and common sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think the first chief of the human tribe was an asshole who wasn't destroyed by the 80 other cavemen who could crush him with stones?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come ever since the forgotten history of equality always assholes are in charge?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only victors write the history'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is like karma i guess, they're onto something there, but the one who sets the sides that offend eachother in motion is the one supposed to be combatting their mutual ignorances resulting in the death-tolls of the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life if you were raised in germany in 1938 you wouldn't be too fond of the russian's, but if you was russian you wouldn' want to be on stalin's shit list'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american's well, betty boop, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In 1938 Germany and Russia were tight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life is somebody who is a slave does something they were raised to do, without seeing the error of their way's and nature of their transgression, then that person isn't as guilty as if he were his own master and knowledgeable of his crimes while he did them of his own accord'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can multiply that problem to the population of planet earth and some of them know, but other's don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the one's who don't might choose otherwise if they seen otherwise in comparison to the only thing they know about a certain characteristic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ignorance is what the government is for, they do the thinking and reasoning for people - but as a consequence these seemingly real problems that aren't temporary exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen video claiming to be from north korea and the people actually worship their leader like he was christ or somebody like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they give up their own dignity for a chance to grovel in the dust of his feet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he's a man like them, inheriting his position over them and their lives, making the decisions of who lives and dies, what prices are to be paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could have done that all themselves, but he keeps them safe from america and all them other bad guys'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he might not be all wrong, because these countries don't seem to be too pure in their own inventions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each has it's flaws i guess, they don't want to solve their problems of government and leave the problems of nature as the main source of strife in the world though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a rich man might not survive to the next generation because he has no real skills or assets to provide towards the whole entity of which he is a part, he could be usurped by a begger with a brain'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '^^ rich man's servant that knows what he is'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so a rich man's worthlessness is the reason why the world is oppressed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of failure'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he knows he's a failure anyways because he can't picture life without money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that world is a place where he might fail'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's as old as the old testament in the king james bible, written right there in deuteronomy, after hating the golden calf'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the rich man shall purchase his way out of the execution of god's 10 commandment punishments when he murders or rapes his slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the gravest of sins shall be brought before moses the advisor, all other ones are to be distributed among local corrupt officials'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some kind of god the world invents and lets ferment who can be bought and sold with money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe jesus sees a different god than that one, huh?  throwing the money changers tables in the temple etc, inclining that way, but he also meets with elijah and moses '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, gibbering bad advice suggestions in badly stated nonsense ramblings - diarhoea of the mouth '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can give you pills for that, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about explain the non-human psychology's that inspired the bible, zeus'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it just like i say, something that hides attitudes like yours from explaining themselves, in service of the sacred master, like the dust are the clouds of his feet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't you execute holocausts and pol pot's on the basis of MENSA Eugenics philosophy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rich man's money versus mensa's superior intellects, lets make the world dumb and we'll be rich forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'careful not to fall fowl of Godwins Rule, Druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foul*'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over time we won't have to try to think so hard - the average decline in intellect in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, khmer rouge less of a reality than the nazi's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the theory's they operate on?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a reality that there is more knowledge in the world, but less wisdom'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about how many american citizens were called retarded and murdered in laboratory's in the 19th and 20th century'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were sane alot of the time too, if asked (which was rare) they were retarded'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched old films advertising the world fair with signs up setting the hatred of mental defects into patron's minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of the mind is one of america's oldest allies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the salem witch trials were orchestrated by a british immigrant who was schooled in harvard'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'aliens'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'no u'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can turn on superchannel today and watch the killing room or something else showing how civilian's are taken by the government and made to murder eachother to prove their loyalty to the program and only a few make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mk-ultra project'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'attempting "false reverse psychology by spreading poison (bad advice, bad rhetoric)" is an act of (attempted) poisoning -- and attempting to spread (and thus support) that which is supposedly criticised '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'attempting to judge me like you're doing instead of my opinion on subject matter which is controversial and independently thought of regardless is exemplification of the psychology of every dictator on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that stink too, like a vampire, you might be related to dracula'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'norwegian anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right?  from that area, you got that i'm god attitude about you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here judging your personality of my subject, instead of the subject matter that murders a few billion people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you seem to tripping balls again. why not take your meds?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here's some problems and you focus on somebody considering them instead of their manifestation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not join those pickled foetus's in the museum in amsterdam?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alot of them might have been better people than you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mayhap'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called a monologue, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's called paranoid schizophrenia'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dagnir is the embodiment of a h.r giger drawing'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he'll have to have an imagination to see which one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's philosphising'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'philosphising with the volume turned up, most people do it inwardly'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you say you are criticising the evils-of-the-rich, but the phrasing of your words may be viewed as a how-to-do-evils-by-the-rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'being a xenomorph would be pretty sweet. running around in ducts and killing people like it's no-ones business'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, and having acid for blood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'showing the exposed introverted visions driving the rich on earth for discussion and perfection to defy their nature can be both a how-to manual and a how-to-detect and identify manual'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody had that ability in common then they wouldn't be getting away with as much as they do, or else everybody would practice evil openly'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'goodness, it is a word salad AI bot trying to appear human'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like extreme's , i'm an extremist like that, a world bullshitting itself and knowing they're full of shit doesn't seem natural to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have more respect for myself and reality than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somethings trespassed against can't be forgivven'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are like murder victims who don't realize their killer's yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how they appear to me anyways, because the evidence is there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it even says so in the bible: The road to hell is paved with good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell was probably here long before the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe if the bible includes a teaching by which you can reach it then it's a ticket to hell itself, which was already here'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's my hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the bible doesn't say that, nuts'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see any spiritual reality beyond a white light that's worse than the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, one of them will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being vacuumed into outerspace obliterated by emptiness etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all conceptual destructions, with a lingering awareness that they're only thought's, even after they occur'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they haven't yet, like dagnirs baal berith spiritual apocalypse paranoid schizophrenia, how the participants in the devil's game go insane iwth fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the fear is composed of the thoughts i'm discussing, which don't affect me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'deadgirl has a point. maybe druzil is a failed attempt of building a true artificial intelligence which went mad when it became truly sentient?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'explains how he's on debate when i go to sleep and still here when i wake up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's proof in the world of the manifestation of the devil - and at least in the use of human stupidity in controlling the masses, instead of discussing that and what it's nature is , which is the reality under which all real natures exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he's also pretty good in gqs and leveling... maybe even too good'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they decide to take their mind off the problem of problems, and focus instead on the god of gods, which is their own master like the korean's master'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sucking up some dusty footprints, you're not different than them, you're just brainwashed under a different platform'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he also talks about humans like he's not one of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i talk about platform abstracts, that's a vain crime and glory of the devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is how platforms of world dictatorship are underlyed conceptually'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and these are the hundreds of millions of people who are led by them ddaily'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, tell us, are you human?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets focus instead on the end of all problems in the strait of hormuz'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus christ is there incarnate, making sure that the petrol reaches americans shores'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who programmed you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and only which tax sheriffs they choose may take from the proceedings'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i programmed myself, it's a understudy of mine to be my own father'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, naturally evolved ai then? at least we don't have problems with singularity yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't usurp people's ignorance concept of god (to me) when they said their daily prayers though, they might see a god that i don't see'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course they do cause i'm not them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, don't bring up the grandfather paradox because it doesn't exist :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reality can appear to be a single thing when looked at from one horrifying angle'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blast your interior exterior dividor into pieces with the mind having seen such a horror'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'reality can't be viewed, it's a property of the medium.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reality as one, no two ways about it, just a big singular blob of nothing, who's purpose is defined by ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'leaving the body behind, nothing more to life but restraining the mind from absorption into the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a spiritual body?  heavenwalkers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it all makes sense now. i knew you couldn't be human'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm human i'm just more dead than most people seem to be, in my own tortured way, and this is my lunacy of choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ven diagram is hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'oh the emo angst'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's right, the government trespassed against my soul and existance and blamed it on god, therefore i have to be at war with the world forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legion of demons and me worship a more justice god than your set'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'before i ever committed a crime the government put growth hormones into my milk'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this could have resulted in any number of future defects'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god's fear is invalidated here by any retaliatory action taken by citizens upon their ignorance maters'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't fear nothing, not in the face of everything there is in life to fear, i stood there and didn't fear a thing, i already seen all there is to fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the concept is there, the government murdered me, and blamed it on my concept of creator and justice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's enough to drive anybody to war as soon as they understand it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the restraints?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting a better vantage point to destroy them from maybe, but i think most just don't see the eternal criminals they pay taxes to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and just how long is eternity, and how long are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll tell you they are god and they live forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing'll ever change'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, this picture just changed by this fraction'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what makes them ominipresent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or i do and they can be consumed by it too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still remember when i was 6 years old moved from the countryside with chickens and hay and dust and mould and all kinds of allergen's around to fort macmurray alberta with smog and fighter jets and those kind of un-natural contagions, suffocating to death from the shit they put into the air, and why couldn't i have remained on the farm and done work for a living instead of following my mother around?  this is how the stasi works - that's who you probably work for, and is the only human explaination for the knowledge of the people i met in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's the government giving me some taste for cancer and fucking with my head with their stasi nazi organization's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a countryside person like me. You won't be able to convince townies of anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason why many of the rich and famous ultimately end up returning to agrarian roots'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know what the stasi is though and what i'm talking about?  they were the nazi's replacements in germany, and their duty in life was to destroy the lives of german civilians selectively'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had over 113 kilometres of files on their victims when dismantled in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not personally aware of it, no'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it's on aljazeera's people and power page'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got a documentary on their evil organization'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forgiving enough to believe that the government and corportations destroy worlds and society out of misguided beliefs and misunderstanding and greed rather than design'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still have meetings at wannsee villa in germany, where they say on bbc news website that the nazi's planned the holocaust'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't burn down such a abhorrent place, really?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that remarkable, valuable history treasury - how many things do you see defiled because they are seen as symbols of hatred?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there any symbol of hatred taught in the world today greater than nazi holocaust?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but there it is, burn down another church and explain that one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, common human stupidity's are the easy way out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if that's the case because i'm skeptic instead of atheist i look for their intelligent guide that knows the outcome of using those tendencies as they're headed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hardcore satanic cultists of an arcane variety sometimes posing as christ jehovahs and whatever else there is, etc are all out there too though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because those things go through peoples heads then they're a factor - and not talking about them doesn't make them unreal, even if their reality is a misguided benefactor of their actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they will start putting birth control drugs in these wells they dig for Africans :-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, i think the african government shouldn't have had a hard time digging it's own well'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and their populations shouldn't look to the people across the ocean for assistance while their master denies them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's certainly plenty of wealth there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's negative in several ways, and good in maybe one of sympathy and a few people who are saved from death and dehydration/starvation as a result'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it doesn't solve the overlying problem of the people who oversee the uncountable amounts of people who weren't assisted by this charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that all had to be fixed from within'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they just drag down the rest of the world with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only need look at the financial mess and the lack of action on it that the west is in to realise that the people that others accept as "experts" aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if the rest of the world wanted them to have water etc, and seen that there's a leader who denies them the petty change to provide the source of holes in the ground, redirected river puddles manmade-raincatchers etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they wouldn't have said ok charities, beg to the bleeding hearts of the civilians to send money to those trusty bankers in that man's land'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and purchase the stuff to send through his border to give to the people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'd just replace that leader and his servants with a leader and servants desiring to make things better for their citizens, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it's written in the bible 'the least in the temple of heaven is greater than john the baptist''
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the master shall be as the slave etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people were tribal in africa back in the day and moved with the weather, so if there was drought, they'd move away from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both shall serve existance itself, a living god, not some poser or dead book character'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's a bit of a story i read about the importance of the king of the kongo in african culture, didn't make a whole lot of sense to me but i guess they have their history, and every culture wants to have their own independent chieftan to guide them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'small cultures work better'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true, like families'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger the system, the less representative it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as families communicate with one another and form a community, which communicates with other communities etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's difficult to find a series of people who have no human mutual basic values about their lives in common'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have that any more, we have individuals, and we have government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the lawyers that justify the denial and distribution among them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if the world was organized on communication and mutual assurances like that then it would be a less volatile place'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who defied those basic human rights would be weeded out everywhere they rose - people would be schooled in the art of detecting their methods and how 'the rise of evil' ever rose to power in the first place, how to defend their minds against the deceiver'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who can say, but i know that the move from extended families to fractured families where the kids move out asap and women having kids out of wedlock and then move out on their own has destroyed society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but such a thing was glorified here in the last 60 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government keeps that all secretive in the current world, they only teach some basic philosophy throughout the 12 grades, and then most of it is biased instead of impersonal'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to go to university costs lots of money - and that's not available to lots of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you go to hindu and sikh cultures where extended families stay together, you find much more cohesive socieities'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, probably alot of it is using murderous soldier's libido to the advantage of a mean architect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i was discussing an instance of the government funding organized criminals and hunting down not themselves for the source of the crime, but those who they led into the fold'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not convinced the world's gonna solve it's problems ever, that's disturbing to comprehend - when the problems aren't natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think we're headed for a dystopic future?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess though baby birds will open up their yaps for a second worm and butt their nestlings out of the way for a chance at twice what was theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but mother bird's supposed to be the government or family metaphor in the society allegory which watches for the lying babies and corrects their deadly flaws'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you eat two worms you'll get fat and your brother will die'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems like a basic correction mother would teach her chicks doesn't it? '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american bald eagles, i guess that means nothing more than a woman with her legs spread'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the beautiful alaskan country side the bird too , but those are natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know in brazil there's this bird called the harpy eagle, and instead of using lumber from a place they're allowed to harvest it, they'll cut down 500 year old trees that these endangered species nest int'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then what do they do, build some mansions and some pizza boxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get some money, which is typically made of trees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one more dead species to add to the hitlist i guess, checked off job of death, which is a human pretending to worship the evolution theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'diversity of species in the 575 million year old earth biosphere'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's proven and what man can deflect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, birds feed crops sometimes they shit a seed , without birds maybe some types of plants wouldn't have existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man knows better though, he's just god alright incarnate trespasser devil bastard'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see them as being just all greedy human stupidity because they provide such theories and then do the negation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have among themselves people who direct them to destroy life'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is your pizza box actually unable to be made from hemp or some other fabric, and requires the destruction of 500 year old trees that endangered harpy eagles nest in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's about the utmost faith in human stupidity to believe there's not more going on than the simple'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah man, i wanted some pizza but it had to be in a box so i made the world's ecosystem extinct and charged it to my visa'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right at this moment is a guy who's making pizza boxes out of 500 year old trees sitting down on his 20 million dollar sofa and eating like a pig while little children try to find a boat to snag onto to sell some things they found in the forest'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but doing business with them is reasonable, it provides a basis by which children can have food and stuff like that, because they haven't already done it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a more fertile place in the entire world than the amazon rainforest and a population more self-sustainable than theirs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't even freeze to death if they're out without clothes on like they would in canada, they do have to watch out for vampire bats though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of negative phenomenon, but they could have clearings in the woods where they provide for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course humans will make a problem where there wasn't already one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Oh wow. Someone actually responded.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in place of anaconda's and vampire bats will be baseball bat's and politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pay your taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'my taxes are too high.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no?  get off my land, this cleared jungle is fenced off by me and i can verify what's in every corner'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i prefer nature to human's, should be more of a mixture, they live in basically paradise there and there's people who risk their lives to sell some stuff to speeding boats on the river for money to purchase things from the store'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'You know, Druzil, no insult intended, but I tend to tune out your monologues... but it would make it slightly easier to read if you please STOP ABUSING THOSE APOSTROPHES.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of building them themselves and trading this for that, you want some banana so there's work for everybody, everybody has to do less work, the stress levels goes down and only the external jealousy of nation's at their freedom is the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have established that Druzil uses the extra apos'trophes to indicate which preceding letters form his actual message.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now few people do work and getting a job is a competitive market, for what's not imported and sold out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So if you see hello's, you add an o. Eventually the Final Days will be predicted by this anagram.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have to work yourself to death to make ends meat, and those around you can't even find your opportunity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they're living on shangrila paradise potential territories, can walk around with their balls hanging out and not freeze to death'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and instead of doing all them things themselves and focusing on their n ational community they're more concerned with making pizza boxes out of endangered species nesting territory'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's gold down there under dem trees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pan for that all over the amazon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some more wedding rings yeah, wonderful stuff gold is, so few people have it that so many's death is understandable'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well , explain gold to me and justify it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then i won't mention it again'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're a good judge of characters like mine, you should know all the answers to the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Just for curiosity's sake... who exactly are you talking to, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is seeing that there's a problem the only problem?  i'm just jealous'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just to myself and whoever reads it, if i claimed to know everybody who does that i'd be lying to myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'haven't you noticed they put video camera's into your playstation 3 to enhance the gaming experience?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's watching you now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you know that macromedia flash player had a setting on by default which allowed remote websites to look through your web camera, and that wasn't changed until i mentinoed it to nobody in particular?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty cool isn't it?  i wonder howt he hackers missed that, if they were independent hackers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the american privacy act is just like a stanza in shakespear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Privacy laws are considered in the context of an individual's privacy rights or reasonable expectation of privacy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, i was really expecting while masturbating to my laptop pornography colelction that the flash video player was recording my strokes for the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_law'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your definition of reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much money did adope or macromedia pay to the people they broke the rights of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'none eh, people aren't supposed to be thinking for themselves, their monitor's are the government which watches for things like adobe, which went unnoticed for over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad citizens are required to point out problems before they're fixed, those government people sure live in big houses don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get there by doing their job, which is protecting your reasonable doubt'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of crooks like that don't deserve respect, you respect people like atilla the hun because he opposed the roman empire and won'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was a badass and didn't hide behind a wig and fake moustache'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he did his job and he didn't pretend that his job was other than it was for his employees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government?  lots of changes of roman emperors took place in the early years there, so they learned how to hide themselves from the minds of people better, their omnipotence as they built the actual fortresses around themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is how technology is used today'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same shit different pile, the same architect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were assholes though, that's why people like atilla the hun - even if he was a bit of an asshole himself, rome didn't produce it's own food or anything, they enslaved other's and took their labour and ate it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and taxed them too, for what they didn't produce'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he said fuck you i aint growing your food for nothing and paying you taxes for what i did to serve you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what did i get in return here?  nothing huh'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well that's fine, i'll explain that to my savage barbarbarian population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll go bam bam on your ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the word hundred was named after the hun empire too, render unto caesar what belongs unto him - - hun dread dollar bills'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ar is a acronym for the aryan race'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aryan dolls'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sex toys i guess, what else can we conspire through their sorcery'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real living voodoo stuff, haha, can make a religion out of it too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's possible, that's the fucked up part'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i visited hundreds of thousands of webpages on websites with all kind of formatting information and no others cause the crashes that that one does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'In a speech at the Northwestern School of Law in Chicago, he said use of lethal force would be governed by the laws of war, but sometimes the government had to act quickly, making it impractical to seek permission from a court. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17265915 yep, killing's better that communication, what's the problems?  that's unreasonable, how did they get so rich to travel abroad without your masterful detection?  isn't everybody making over 100,000 dollars a year on your bankroll?  how much is a trip to israel or egypt, maybe 5,000 bucks, hefty change for a 7-11 employee'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'laws of war, like the red cross non-militant assistance vessal carrying munitions cartidges during world war 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't understand that people with rules like these under their control result in people like adolf hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead they think hitler's a thing of the past and people have evolved'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stephen harper signed a deal here -> http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111207/harper-obama-border-deal-washington-111207/ but this happened in 2007 already, they don't need no proof, they give american's now liscence to murder canadians without trial or evidence to their actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like that canadian , he trespasses on my cenova energy contracts, he is a terrorist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's the shit they're made of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the american cia military stuff think's they're all god'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'terror suspects but they host dual citizens, and consider corporations owned by mid-eastern princes citizens of the usa, which employ them and invest in their local politics and law schools which go on to lead their country, with their bottomless bank accounts now funded by the tax payers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'Do you have the Can this onion ring get more fans than Stephen Harper, on Facebook?  Well, if you have Facebook, good times right there I say :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but it seems like un-neccessary 'contracts' to me, canadians could govern themselves just fine if the government didn't make them all dependent upon itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much iron ore is in the canadian shield and uranium in uranium city?  how much does it take to fuel a submarine that is as large as the white house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how difficult is it for canada to defend it's own borders with known science and technology and their own minerals without the assistance of the us murdercult?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course the usa is against such independence'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of canadian independence they like to focus on the future of eternal dependency upon the wise guidance of the usa who is so pure in their own borders to their own people that they can project their insecurities onto this country'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it says in the bible, and the USA called itself a christian country until the god particle was rumoured to exist, that before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers eye, remove the beam from thy own - that means before your country can see what is wrong and bejustified in assisting the solution you profess, you have to clean up your own country and situation among your own people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you gone to bed yet, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not very satisfied there, with 1% owning 35% of wealth, 13% owning 52% of wealth and the remaining 86% of the population of america owning 13% of private wealth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can sure buy and sell eachother without the boundaries of the minority, they're a democratic government of fairness'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise it's trespassing against another country and any retaliatory action is justified by your own'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is where the use of force comes in handy, which they're not using'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if bill gates was actually a terrorist, would the media he owns or the computer operating systems he owns shares in all computer companies report that?  would the government be able to transmit the information from one department to another, being on their payroll themselves?  of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'terror suspects doesn't work out, because not everybody is guilty until proven innocent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and some people are too valuable to be judged'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the queen of england, maybe lord falconer or the german christians, putin himself - obama, bush, any of them, maybe the CEO of exxon, intel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if any of them had a hand in things, would they be judged or discovered?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, that's because the law only works for the rich, and who they think is a terrorist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have way too high an opinion of the government's ability to keep things secret :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're robin hood you're a terrorist to friar tuck'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america hosts national geographic channel, which goes to 250 miles west of a village where they chop little children up into pieces and boil them in crock's over an open fire and throw shells bathed in chicken blood onto the flames to expel evil spirits from the witch children, and then they dump the broth and the meat at the base of a tree and pray to the village spirit that no more demons come from their own population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now if you seen something like that on cnn compared to the other things they pay attention to, and the relative primitive nature of either side, they choose the fight that poses more of a threat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see a village of savages that they enjoy their safari's in the land of and how relatively easy it would be to provide a sanctuary'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they were to instead invest in remedying those crimes against humanity, which are dubbed 'cultural heath peculiarities' then they would develop over time a generation of supporters to their presence which are on the side of the world as the people who oppose them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not very good at selfless social engineering are they?  always for a evil purpose only'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DYa8PNxuhDS8&sa=U&ei=t8JXT82kAYGxiQK7tPDYCw&ved=0CBAQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNGfV4PLhMd5qx9ZK5GwbUCh7G07KQ check it out, i'm not making it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'benin is the place'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they react to resistance of their presence, and will, with human rights only being used as an excuse to drive the masses sympathy to their purposes of control - very demonic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the only thing america does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't care nothing about fairness, that's a peculiarity of some of their citizens who have no actual control beyond the will of the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Benin is a member of the United Nations -> political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion."'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wonderful agriculture provides a useful alternative to justice in the united nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess if somebody like america tried to stop boiling children in hansel and gretels candy pot's then the united nations would be forced to respond with force'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the reason why they ignore it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The cost of lethal injection drugs used in the US to kill criminals on death row has risen dramatically over the past year. The increase comes as their manufacturers move to prevent them being used in executions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17210285 this is amazing - the american government with it's top harvard universities and things like this can't produce it's own lethal injection syrum's, instead importing it from europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's hard about chemistry of murdering people?   doing it? '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why even bother making an issue out of it without explaining the shit, some people don't like abortion death penalty's and others think it's alright, but that doesn't explain why their chemistry schools and teach american citizens how to develop formulas to murder people with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saving the executing tax-payer some money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't really be killing folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 5'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still figure people should have the ability and verifiability (power over) their taxes, to sign a deal with the government on their tax returns which states how their money is to be used, in general'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'say i want to fund health care, which excludes mercy killings and abortion'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you verify this much money of mind was spent on that exactly, and how many people chose similar actions and can you provide receipts for all of their money that verifies it's spending'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd the US of A imports lethal injection drugs, but whatever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being born in the usa shouldn't make you accessory to murder by the state'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think murdering a possible murderer or something is murder and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you drink water you pay taxes to the city, basically everything is taxes, and that's what they use to murder people with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'killing people is wrong, period'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even murderers can contribute'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harvest blood + plasma off them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my grandpa figures they should be sent into the front lines in foreign conflicts, but that would have to be watched closely'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wars these days don't have front lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they like to kill right?  well, there's a bunch of people there that supposedly do too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'I guess what I think is most illogical is how much money is spent keeping people in prisons.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for violent criminals and rapists, probably the best place for em'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fraudsters? probably not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Whimsical Willmek is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to a reasonable degree i can see keeping people alive and stuff, actual rehabilitation being an option a good thing for a nation who expects its own children sometimes makes mistakes - millionairres kids go to jail sometimes and the say mister lawyer of money who knows the court justice can you bail us out?  instead of knowing that their kid is going to a place where rehabilitation is the issue that they want to address'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most jails that i seen or been to all are violent evil places with no sanctuary not even behind a locked door'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the money spent to keep people in prisons is a sick game... corporations run the prisons and have been caught paying off judges to give blacks harsher sentences'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you learn more about crime in jail than you do getting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'locking people up just helps make some rich asshole CEO even richer'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much does it cost to teach people not to do crimes?  is there enough alternatives to crime ?  how many jobs do they export in a year or automate, options taken away from reforming criminals and people who later turn to crime?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, ceo's make me sick - there's always the they're not all the same thing but, the CEO of air canada 'earns' 1300 years of military service in a single year of people defending his fortune'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how big of a divide is that?  these people put their necks and lives on the line and this guy 'earns' 1300 of their lives in a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole airplane travel industry was started by ex-ww1 soldiers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they took people on joyrides and stuff, you can still find video's of them crashing old planes into barn's and walking away'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how greedy people who defended their freedom was, or was it somebody else that took their independent joyrides and made all the drivers pay them taxes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a dollar back then was a day's wage pretty much'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '47 million in a year, that's 128,767.8 years of work in a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and this intellectual patent stuff, i own knowledge, it is my fortune - knowledge is nothing itself, it's the abstract of a materialization - there's people who hand out liscences to panasonic and sony to use their thoughts that abstracts of a reality, which can be arrived at by anybody on earth's head without their assistance, and build some materializations of their intellectual product'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see a particular materialization being patented, this is my lego blocks i build them in my factory, you can't take them and say you built them in yours , but you can still build your own lego's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since god doesn't have much of a definition on earth, i'll assume that's like a god then, some non-physical concept where homage is paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'channel weather: the Druzil drizzle continues,  dark cloudy prognostications, with a slight chance of something worth noting'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Zade for being a moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One of the best known is Intellectual Ventures, which has a library of more than 35,000 patents. Set up by a former Microsoft executive, Nathan Myhrvold, it recently revealed it has earned over $2 billion through licensing its portfolio to others since 2000.  Like the phone makers it is willing to take legal action to protect its assets. '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15433188'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'venture force like canadian zellers going out of business and replaced with target walmart'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's microsoft offering 40 billion to purchase yahoo, the denial by it's founder, it's loss of 20 billion dollars of value in 3 years, and the replacement of it's founder with a banker who was more in the interests of microsoft'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get it for maybe 20 now, or free if that's their banker'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's just a webpage with some applications on it that any 16 year old could learn how to program'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Yahoo email interface is extremely tedious and slow and annoying -- painful to visit Yahoo -- so of course Yahoo is losing value'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I always had a hard time understanding how Yahoo made money...'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I always assumed it was because they were an early search engine.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was an opinion from three years go -- never visted Yahoo since,  i deliberately avoid Yahoo to avoid the tedious wading through of pages upon pages of forum interfaces merely to read, tediously find out other user info, then return to reread, then delete mail -- likely three years of crap forum mail waiting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a tedious interface/syntax is able to kill the pleasure of visiting a website -- but they likely believe that the more interfaces the more advertisements displayed, except visitors stop visiting to avoid the annoying interfaces (that supply too little information in each page, requiring endless back forth flipping through pages and of course more advertisements)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some websites are extremely intense in numerous endlessly-loading small advertisements -- i avoid those websites like they were plagued'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (movie-information websites, (imdb)) supply a titbit of extra information on each page, requiring wading through dozens of pages to get "some" information (and they are displaying any noticeable ads, so the likely intent is to obfuscate and diddle the visitor)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (movie-information websites, (imdb)) supply a titbit of extra information on each page, requiring wading through dozens of pages to get "some" information (and they are not displaying any noticeable ads, so the likely intent is to obfuscate and diddle the visitor)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm not convinced the people who run these software thing's and wires/radars/sattelites etc all deserve what money they get, otherwise i wouldn't question it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason the government couldn't have installed the fiber optic wires themselves and not charged their citizens anything but their taxes for their use for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if you google for (movie) information, those annoying websites are right there high on the google list waiting for victims'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like if satellite money grubbers was earning their money on a evan playing field, then how come a canadian scientist is said to have been assassinated in beligium in the year 1991 for conspiring to build a gun on the side of a iraq mountain to shoot satellites into orbit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's satellites, iraq's a country, what's the problem they got to kill the scientist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard that on some show about diving sea wrecks on discovery channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government is "of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, to the rich)"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to some ceos bureaucrats and politicians, if you are not "rich", you are not "people"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's obvious yeah, just insects in their ant farm or something similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read some article or watched a documentary on how the pampered lifestyles of tyrants sheltered their minds from the reality of their actions, which is the only justification i can see for their actions, they're ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney, dropping all those "friends with extremely rich guys" hints in his speeches'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i heard he wasw worth 250+ million or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'donald trump seemed convninced he would be president if he wanted too, how can you know something like that in a nation of people who vote based no their own judgement?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back when i seen him on the news i mean, he was investigating obama's birth certificate, i don't trust obama, that's just how i am, i don't trust harper or any world leader at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i can understand where they'd want to investigate these things for a non-political motivation, but i think his was more politically assembled'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"what does Mitt Romney call Nascar race-car drivers:  chauffeurs!"   (heard in a talkshow monologue)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like they say the place where obama was senator was actually exposed selling the senate seat to the highest bidder'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read that on the news in the last year or two'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's questionable, justifiable to be skeptic of your leader's, they're well-off and highly connected in a very detrimental society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"detrimental" is the wrong word there -- the rich are very satisfied with society - no "detrimental" there at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the ant farm way of seeing things, i do that sometimes but i switch back to reality others, this versus that - i agree with some of christianity, is it more profitable that one should die and many should live?  the rich man refused to leave his fortune behind and follow jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, the many here again are the people who are rich, so using the bible as an allegory can work their way too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the case of the speluncean explorers www.nullapoena.de/stud/explorers.htm'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they didn't kill one of them but bided their time and waited to see which of them was going to croak first, until that occurred and then continued to consume their dead, then it would have been like evolution theory in law, because they didn't kill anybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and each had the same amount of resourcefulness to go on, there wasn't no homicidal tendencies conducted by any of the participants'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they drive them to starvation etc then they're doing a homicide though, that's pretty true i guess, but this is going on the basis that all 5 of them were equal's doing some exploring, and that's not the basis of the world we live in'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation how about these spelunkers?  they invent the caves all the others elect to eat eachother in, and make more and more sacrifices neccessary as time goes on'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1947 you could still be an independent shoemaker and pay the rent on your house'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all you had to do was use some glue do some stitching and that's your job, with your hands'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the luddite's were real prophets of the modern age'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddites'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the rich man refused to leave fortune behind and follow jesus", because that fraud jesus was giving out extremely bad financial advice -- financially ruinous advice that was inconsistent with the parable of the "talents"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i found that parable odd. it said the best way to make your master money is to fleece others'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, render unto caesar what belongs unto caesar is another saying in the bible, which is money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doing the work of god is doing hands on work that produces substance for yourself, money's seen as an abomination by jesus in the gospel'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ohm, was that from the Mitt Romney mormon bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm well there is a parable of talents in the KJV one, also. not sure what contributions the Mormons made'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my thinking on it anyways, money's like a false idol filter'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i get that from jesus overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple of god and things like that, kicking them out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, he did that, three days later, he wound up dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots more people wound up dead for worshipping the other type of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'during the numerous readings of the NT bible, never encountered that "make your master money, fleece others" text'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'still done today isn't it?  how many homicides are done for money today?  instead of killing yourself a chicken and eating it, feeding etc, doing hunting or farming, something sentient that provides for your  community?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money makes destroying your community the most valuable asset you can acheive'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no, the parable of the talents. one servant buried money in the ground and was scolded or punished for it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc reports on the suicide rate in south korea being 40 per day, in that little parcel of land relatively, and they say this spiked extremely after money replaced cultural values in their society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example, one of innumerable, but it's like the spelunkers forcing one of themselves to kill themselves or starve to death'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is in one of the ant farmers cages'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that SK news may be misinterpreted ambiguously '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'shadokil are on the news?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'SK == South Korea (in this debate context)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'gah, I'm a silly kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many real people have Facebook accounts, what with so many businesses and institutions making access to said accounts a prerequisite for opportunity (for employment, for enrollment, for being able to play on the school team, etc).  Do people really celebrate the lack of privacy, or are they smarter than the snoops and maintaining two accounts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Good luck with them on that, I haven't touched mine since I signed up, except to beat up little children in backyard monsters :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many states are offering up legislation banning the practice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'OH NO YOU DIN'T!'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"offering up" is ambiguous in intent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'corruption flourishes in the USA as a result of deliberate illiteracy by USAmericans'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not if you are observed picking up the soap...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Which armrest is your's at the cinema?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i usually sit in the isle cause there's more legroom'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'im just curious cause i always seem to go left and then someone always awkwardly shares it with me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'never a good situation'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i was just being stupid, i haven't been to the theatre in over 4 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i went alone too so i had both to myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'left is probably good though, use the right for drinking the soda or digging through popcorn :o'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you figure whether your left or right handed has something to do with which armrest you choose?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the sit next to me has a hot chick, that's the side with my armrest...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seat*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'apparently, if you're the boss, you just take up both armrests.  Or so says yahoo answers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you find out what the devil wants you to do , do the opposite - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiUEdt40pUQ -0- you think that's about the extent of it, or maybe the devil was more crafty than the other beasts of the field?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't thing generalizations really work very well here, doing right is good though - nothing wrong there, i watched a disgusting video before that one, whether or not the author had good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If a woman sits next to me and wants to rub elbows who I am to complain (assuming she doesn't scare the daylights out of me)?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'actually right is a direction, i'd say that doing what you feel is what you should do and is probably good to do (usually i can tell what's good or bad at least) then to do that is the better way of living than following direction that isn't felt'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'scandinavian drilling 9 miles down hearing tormented people they say on the video, i'd be interested in hearing that for myself if it's real'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i doubt it though, usually real unexplainable phenomenon never make the news, and i did read alot of cases of demonic posession and stuff from a russian tabloid like newspaper'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the definitive source :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some lies are too strange to not have some root in reality, i'll consider just about anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'drilling is a scary thing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur - hit a potash vein, then there's 1-2 lakes in russia that disappeared overnight i read about on maybe bbc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it wasn't a single night and there was some witnesses and stuff how it happened, or it didn't happen at all - but i read about it - the former they have video footage of'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've also seen videos of sasquatch, not very convincing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sasquatch look pretty phony to me too, but that lake and their story investigations of government agencies and display on history television and the news makes it more likely'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a guy wearing a costume'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'different than the footage of the lake dissappearing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with the new technology we have is that I am not willing to believe anything I can't testify to...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they keep on drilling those holes everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're moving into the arctic sea now where nobody would ever notice a problem like a disappearing lake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that dangerous like a black hole in the movie they live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if there was a hollow chasm the size of 2 mount everests that they poked a hole into, and there wasn't no pressure to keep the water from going into it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, one of these days a jet or magma will pour out :) That would certainly ruin one's day :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that would cause a big swirl wouldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, sure, and all that water pressure and violation of the equilibrium's the world's systems naturally evolved into could be irrevocable extinction of at least us'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all kinds of unseen destructions but they see them, so are they religions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a real question to me, they talk about aliens on CNN instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's obvious that the people in charge of this world don't want it to become the garden of paradise that they might pretend to want to go to in church etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would they be let into heaven, to cut it down and excavate the gold underneath?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which direction was the golden rivers'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'somehow I don't believe that heaven is that solid :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky looks fairly solid to me, even though it's transient'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or a thing through which we move'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Hobble telescope has sort of ruled out that heaven is in that direction :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible refers to the sky as the heavens in places, in others the mind, contextual it seems to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'The hobbits have a telescope?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, in Spanish you can only tell the difference between sky and heaven by context. Still it's all rather metaphorical.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some perfectly carved new jerusalem seemingly mentioned in revelation, no flaws allowed it almost seems - but god's creation doesn't seem to be perfectly within the realm of mathematics and stuff, flaws and deviances are allowed, like no two things are the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't explain how come humans don't turn this world into the place they want it to be though, and why they never remove the issues that prevent that from being a choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they think god'll punish them for trying to not destroy the world and live in harmony with eachothers ability to exist with a common peace?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doubtful :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course that's like spit to them, they'd never consider being equal with another '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey sure sell votes by praying to jesus in the local electorate though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, personally, I consider myself first among equals :>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or other deity, depending who the majority population is empathizing with'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we need more than just equality, for slaves are equal in their bondage'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Terra Nova" was and is a extremely bad premise for a almost-scifi tvseries -- (the sooner that "Terra Nova" tvseries is cancelled the better)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Terranova is the Spanish name for Newfoundland :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'No it's not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bring back Babylon 5!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes it iss'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'bring back bonanza'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, grandpa :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I've got the pilot of B5 waiting to be watched, actually..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could bring back the ghost of Bonanza since they are all dead :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought B5 rocked :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, better it stay that way then some hollywood hack ruining a memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'big mistake giving michael bay transformers'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the biggest mistake was firing Magan Fox :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she was close to the primary reason I watched the movies :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'with all due respect to you, my enlightnened debater, i boldly declare giving michael bay a job was the first mistake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Look what happened to BSG when those assholes decided to remake it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i heard they are remaking Akira with attention whore Justin Timberlake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can never get back the original.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I thought that already happened?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't stand the man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so sad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason the ST movies succeeded is that they kept the original cast.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wrath of khan was the best'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, it really stuck to the episode :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'plus a great performance by the actor, rest in peace, who played khan'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ricardo Moltanban'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, forgot his name. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also from the original episode'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'another wise choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do they make their money?  when somebody watches their channel while their program is running, does the television service provider give them a fraction of your pay to them, or is it a straight up price that they pay to provide the other's programming?  doesn't really matter if anybody watches it or not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i thought commercials paid a great deal of the cost for a network'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're making their money i mean, getting a flat fee from the directv or something, to provide your channel, does it really matter what you play on it?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's how it works. The cable provider pays your subscription.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Uh..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil nods.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the subscription cost is not much, but when you consider how many millions subscribe...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can pay for your own if you own an earth station :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those are neat, you can actually see the entire tv band and watch them set up the money shots :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the tv cameras each send a stream you see what each is looking at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm skeptic about the entertainment business, when i grew up there seemed to be more show's produced locally and independently of one another - now it seems most all show's are aired everywhere from the mid east to the mid west'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's still a few local shows around, but not nearly as many - and most that exist are reality oriented instead of like stories or fictional stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like news etc, not much else'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'reality shows are scripted...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure different places have their own interests is what i mean, find different fictions interesting and could entertain themselves for cheaper'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Reality is scripted.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it does seem like it's centralized or trying to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you would think people getting paid to be drunken attention whores could make something up interesting. clearly, nto the case.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's probably fun making them shows up in the proper contexts, kids don't get paid to play house for instance - entertainment and money just don't add up to a real equation to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure i like to watch tv shows and stuff, but it's mysterious how much they cost and stuff like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, cops isn't scripted. doesn't need to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cable and especially satellite tv providers were *pirating* the signals from the aerial tv stations, so the satellite-tv was raking in billions and the aerial tv-stations were heading to bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'They just let camera crews wander into potentially life-threatening situations? Totally makes sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, it makes dollars if it doesn't make sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result of the dip in profits at aerial tv stations, the new tv shows are substandard these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i don't watch to much TV... i thought something was wrong when the commercials were better put together than the shows'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'commercials some of them are very weird - i did notice a section on sciencedaily.com that deals in market science, and some of the experiments they orchestrate are very weird'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do it on people and monitor them like bugs, their habits and whether or not they're convinced, they tweak the program structure, they add a few tweaks'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably because we are so used to commercials they have to find new ways to get us to buy shit we don't need'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know if they do or not, but it is not too far-fetched to imagine tv sets being two-way :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people claim it is. not sure whether to believe them or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the technology does exist, whether is being applied, that's another matter.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'quite right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the satellite-tv stations like to charge subscribers for the service and pirate the aerial-tv-signals for next-to-free, leaving the aerial-tv-stations the burden of paying for tvshows to be produced and continued'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result, tvshows are extremely bad these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chances are they'd have to be pretty adept to slip it past the awareness of a million nerds, i think there'd be some mention of it somewhere from some nerd who thought there was something wrong with his video games playing him'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'could be. Halo showed what good AI can do'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, cheap talkshows proliferate, lots of cheap "reality" shows, whatever is cheap, that is what is funded'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice alot more mindlessness in modern television than maybe 15-20 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a lot more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's stupid, and they make the notion of stupidity funny - '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tv was funny before all that though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, with a dumbed down populace, you need dumbed down entertainment. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap: AFV, The Voice, American Idol, Bachelorette, following the lives of yucky almost celebrities, faux news shows, faux newstalk shows, ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the dragon's den too, not everybody has a business degree'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that one comes from japan from the wikipedia entry'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more change of audience. TV doesn't reach certain segments of the population quite as much anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'What're some of the smart shows on US TV? Are there any? O.o'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how it's made shows how assembly lines and stuff operate, but i think that's canadian government - and it really gives an overview and unbiased view of a real subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt many in my department watch tv these days. Hardly anyone talks about it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like it cause it seems to lack personality - it doesn't make the viewer neccessarily stupid though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a few alright shows, my grandma likes to watch one on wedding's, it's sort of vanity i guess and seems to intrude on their privacy, but they agree to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some they follow around a family of 20 kids and monitor their daily living, and get millions of viewers - movie stars but it's just normal life - people watching other people live'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that kind of stuff probably wouldn't have made television in the past, it's too much like the notion of a carnival freak show'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably the last real thinking TV series was the Twilight Zone, the originals in black and white'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tv is so bad that the highlight of each evening is The Daily Show (comedic political news), Late late show with Craig Ferfguson (and his jokes are lame), Late show with Jay Leno (requires to diet more), and maybe: The Colbert Report (narcissist), Conan (bleh) - as a background to paying Aard'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely because the budget is greater, the Jay Leno team writes better jokes than the Craig Ferguson team'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the x-files kind of made the government look like the bad guy, but they put alot of thought into their series'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, the government usually is the bad guy. all progress in history has been made from people standing up to government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and yeah, that show had thought to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that one guy from the daily show called john stewart, he always makes me chuckle because he points out corruption in corporations and the government and looks athe camera like he's pretending to be stupid and do you really expect him to believe this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'druzil have you gone to sleep since I saw you chatting it up on here last night?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't seem to want the viewer to be mindless, i like that about him'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'funny thing, many americans do believe it. he is part of the segment of america that does no'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have met people who claim to be republicans or democrats, and have no real reason why'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that is strange how it works, people belonging to a group they don't belong to the theory of'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people like to be labaled, meaning not required :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to belong to a theory you have to believe it to be correct and have a firm understanding of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people are republicans for the same reason they like the Heat or the Lakers :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have no idea what to say to people like that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they want to be part of some team.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'can't even begin to bring up issues, because i knwo they have no idea what i am talking about'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they can't even name their deocrat or republican senators...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no need to, all they need to know is that their father (mother) was republican(democrat). God enough reason to be one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart never pretends to be stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'It's easier to ruin your opponent's respect than to build respect for yourself. Consequently, all presidential debates are giant muckraking contests. Also consequently, no matter who wins, the voters will probably be unhappy. jmo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart pretends to be startled or astonished or flabbergasted, but not stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'his way of putting a question i meant in his expression is comical'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't accuse them but shares his opinion without stating the obvious'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i never understood how personality attacks convince voters to vote for the person on the offensive, it's kind of evil isn't it?  looking at all somebody elses flaws instead of lookin at the job you want to do and showing how it's made possible for the understanding of the voter?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'having 500 million watchers that you live up to your word is more secure than having 1 or 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people not smart enough to talk about the issues have to have some reason to vote for someone'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i learned that people learn in different ways at their own pace, somebody might be slow to pick up a certain subject but be better at it than anybody else once mastered'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is quite true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'speed shouldn't be an issue when it comes to decisions of government, unless you're in the middle of a war'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that always seems to be abused in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, money making is opportunity. when opportunity strikes, you must respond quickly. war is a quick way of stealing things that aren't yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, money stuff, i have a hard time conceptualizing how money precedes government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one is a tool of the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some asshole decided the best way to get rich was to extort his fellow man- taxes for his *benefical protection*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if all governments work on the basis of financial opportunity then, and money is the root of all evil - then where can good exist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hear that saying my whole life, either it's like the people who belong to a group but not a theory or else they know what they're saying'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have no real idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where imagination is handy i guess, garden of eden new jerusalem'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying those aren't real, just asserting that thinking outside the box is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because this world doesn't seem very much like heaven for most'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the garden of eden is older than the Jewish religion so it predates the bible.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it is probably pre-babylonian'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's actually a place in yemen called edan, i wonder if that's around where that was'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the original garden, Adam first was married to Lilith, whom he divorced because she was a bit forceful. He then married Eve :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a bit forceful. i think you mean she wanted to be on top during intercourse and this was a problem for Adam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at least that, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Egyptians, and therefore the Jews, were greatly influenced by the Assyrians (who conquered Egypt).'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the Assyrians comes the concept of the trinity, which in Egypt was Osiris, Isis, Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so that is where it came from'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i knew the egyptians had it first. along with the resurection idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the idea of trinity is very old. The Hidus had/have them. Brahma, Siva and Vishnu '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet the reason is that a triumvirate is very stable. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wonder why three, not two or four.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's the minimum number that generates a majority :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'never thought of it like that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an even number can result in a tie.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's maya yeah?  the female part, there's a character called nu that was the soul of the egyptian pantheon (including ra)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the sacredtexts interpretations i read anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, duality in the gods is estimated to be around 40K years old.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Wicca had the Goddess who each day gave birth to the God. He died every evening.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at one time religion was the province of the female :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i seem to recall reading a female deity being in existance long before a male deity'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely. Man first worshiped the miracle of birth and therefore saw woman as the conduit to divinity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and women appeared to have had more equal rights with a female deity'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'based on what i read. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'women ruled. Matriarchy, matrimony. The language gives us clues. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'which civilization was the first to have a male deity? the sumerians?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hard to say, I am not sure what caused the transfer of power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably money ;)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to me, Sumarian mythology smacks of Irish mythology. Though its likely that it is the other way around. Though many mythologies are essentially the same. Viking, Irish, Germanic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Odin vs Wotan'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'marduk v. tiamat'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, though that doesn't have the Nordic flavor :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it got distilled.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take the biblic flood, it certainly comes from the Hindu religion, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some say Chaldean, although the hindu one is right there along with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not sure that the Chaldeans predate the Hindu, they very well could, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think they took it from the Hindus, but it could be the other way around.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Greeks were aware of the Chaldeans so that makes them young, in my opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Greeks were also the first to realize the morning star and evening star were the same planet- venus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Greeks didn't involve themselves with the Hindu until after the rise of the HRE.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a true goddess :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but an odd planet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the entire solar system is full of oddities. An oddball system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'also true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Venus could have been "terraformed" by someone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the babylonians realised that the two were the same long before the greeks, if I'm not wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh. i think that is correct, actually... i was wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would agree with that, the Greek didn't actually start thinking until about 2500 years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thinking without relying on the gods :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the babylonians figured out the system of time we still use today'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Babylonians were serious students.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would have loved to see how they operated in base 60 :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'clearly. figured a day was 24 periods, then broke it down by sixty twice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'didn't the sumerians also use base 60'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, we aren't entirely sure if they were even the first... plenty of ancient civilisations that didn't leave much written work behind, for various reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but to them there were only 10 seconds in a minute and 10 minutes in an hour :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so many destroyed in wars...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ah...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The burning of the Library of Alexandria stands as one of humanity's worse tragedies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just imagine all the history that was lost there'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eastern civilisation had an even worse tragedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the knowledge, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'civilizations we will never know about.... gone'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'burning of books, and hunting down of scholars... that didn't agree with the guy in charge at the time'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that continues to this day'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'has happened many times in history. The only way to keep the population abased is by keeping them ignorant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and america is a nice example of this'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'luckily, once there were multiple countries that shared info, such a thing is unlikely to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless all of them go crazy at the same time...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Library was open to all...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Mayans were destroyed by the Spanish, that was another blow to humanity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at this time, it is pretty much impossible to remove completely any particular work. Unless it's so worthless that no one's interested, I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the spanish destroyed many south american civilizations'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'the Maya were pretty much gone by the time the Spanish got there'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, not much is known about the history of south america, even now...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they stole the innocence of the Islands :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the spanish caught them at a really bad time'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'legend has it they took lots of gold and hid it from the spaniards in underground caverns and what not'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm amazed that egypt and peru don't demand to have their execrated burial's returned to their resting places'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no power'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the body of a peruvian mummy that was sold in britain in 1880 for a little bit of money and they're tryign to figure out it's history'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right, no power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what gets me is, the ancient mummies who tested positive for cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even china has to bide its time to demand its looted stuff back'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just seems wrong to me, why do they need to store dead bodies in museum's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a museum is basically a circus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once looted, it's hard to recover, unless you have big enough guns.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'figuring out it's history is maybe ok as long as it's returned where it came from eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you pretty much have to pay through your nose to ransom it back'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'had they had those they wouldn't have been looted to begin with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i guess, i'm also amazed that recently in egypt, aside from all of the conflicts happening there, they uncovered the grave with a sarcophagus marked bastet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is a pretty famous name in egyptian literature'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china certainly wasn't a fraction of its strength when it was looted. Who's to say that egypt won't be strong enough to defend itself in the future?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they gonna put it back, how are tehy immune to all of the uprisings and problems goin on there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the instability is in the cities, not in the countryside.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here is a good question... Who owns Jesus' tomb?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and where is it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'first you have to figure out where it is, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am willing to bet that someone knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think some people say they know where it is. naturally, this is up for much debate'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it wasn't a secret burial'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm willing to bet someone claims to have jesuses pubes'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'amazing that they manage to transmit all that "knowledge", but forget to tell their successors where the tomb is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Jews didn't embalm, there would be nothing left :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's nothing left because he became a zombie'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It is probable that the Templars found his tomb. Which would explain how they became so powerful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should talk to druzil about that'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pieces of the true cross! Five florins apiece! Pieces of the true croooooss!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but there were a lot of true crosses. Crucifixion was a very common thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legend of the spear of destiney on history tv they say it has a splinter from the cross or something wrapped around it's handle'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here, I've got a piece of the shroud too. Only 7 florins, just for you, today!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'either that or the spearhead itself, i'm doubtful whether or not that object had any real say in the problems that happened'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wll, the shroud is another subject altogether. Whatever it is, is not a fake.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the spear is 12 florins, if you buy now!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not saying that it holds the image of Jesus, which might be wishful thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the object is exceptional, nevertheless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anaristos, you want to buy a toast with jesus on it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't eat bread :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jesus doesn't mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i also have the nails used on his cross lying around somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've become very powerful because of that, but you can buy them as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got a hard time mocking jesus or the situations, because i don't know them, i only know what i think i know which was read or considered, and for all i know they could have been the enemy of the people who preach him today slanderously and immortalized through their hatred of his teachings'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wrong way kind of thing, most people who hate somebody they never met get their understanding of them from those who profess to act in his manner'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like mummy's on display, except with a non-physical part of the person'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't really know who that mummy was, unless necromancy or something lets you know, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how you look at something you never seen can change drastically from moment to moment, when i try and fill in the character jesus with my thoughts the crimes i seen in life come to mind in the world he saved etc, i attribute things to him and blame him and all that stuff together trying to figure out who he really is what is his living will?  i read it in a book but people existed before words - that's the kind of mindset that i think that people sometimes develop regarding a belief system'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stressful'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'forgetting what was never really there to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine if i ever actually meet jesus i won't deny his existance or hate him without purpose - and would listen to what he has to say'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is little doubt that the historical Jesus existed. I am not a fan of Iosephus but there is no reason to deny that there is truth in his histories.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ditto for Paul.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Paul never met Jesus but he existed at a time where there were people who had.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is lots of doubt that the historical Jesus existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't agree.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what, you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I could be, but I have taken the time to examine the literature.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'christian supplied literature is suspect'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jesus that ensued from the edicts of the Council of Nicaea is ficticious, but that is because their attempt was to deify a man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jusus Christ was "deified" long before the council of Nicea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the king james bible includes a verses where jesus includes a verse saying 'is it not written that 'ye are gods'?''
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"is it NOT written"'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then some priests around jesus claim that they aren't born of women, is he talking to spirits in these sections?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but our father who art in heaven, that's not a test tube no explaination'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as though the author of the Jesus words was .. equivocating'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, Zade. In fact, that was the problem. People treated Jesus as a man, the literature that was available didn't treat him as a god. Much literature was edited anew and many texts were declared apocryphal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 4 gospels became official after editing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is credible evidence that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Shagger is British :) Didn't you see "The Spy who Shagged Me"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the literature also seems to indicate Paul was the leader of the deification of Jesus. The followers of Peter never contemplated such idea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Peter knew Jesus, Paul didn't. Besides, Paul was a Roman the idea of godhood was something he was used to :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Roman Emperor was a god, so having Jesus (a political leader) deified seemed natural to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Previously, Mr Tong suggested constructing man-made islands resembling oil rigs for people to live on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17295862 that movie waterworld seems ominous with things like this going on'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Dutch scientists predict a rise in sea levels of up to 110cm (43 inches) by the year 2100.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6405359.stm  "We are trying to develop new types of more sustainable buildings which have no adverse impacts on the environment," says Chris Zevenbergen of Dura Vermeer, the company which developed the floating houses. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that means those 5 metre high atoll's will have about a foot of breathing room by then'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The setting of the film is the distant future. Although no exact date was given in the film itself, it has been suggested that it takes place in 2500.[1] The polar ice caps have completely melted, and the sea level has risen many hundreds of meters, covering virtually all the land. The film illustrates this with an unusual variation on the Universal logo, which begins with the usual image of Earth, but shows the planet's water levels gradually rising and the polar ice caps melting until virtually all the land is submerged. The plot of the film centers on an otherwise nameless antihero, "The Mariner", a drifter who sails the Earth in his trimaran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might actually be accurate if the news isn't lying and those things're happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those tend to be natural events, Druzil. Antartica once was green.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say, though, that humans may not be speeding up the Ice Age :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Antarctica was supposedly green, how far from the rotational pole was Antarctica  (continental drift)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Antarctica drifted to the current location at the south pole'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ice ages are mesured in 15k periods , drift is in millions of years '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '15k years ago, Antarctica was not green'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and both measurements can be flawed, since that library at alexandria was burned down and people don't live beyond 125 often'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus i didn't see much evidence of oil rigs and stuff poking lake poigneurs etc back then, but it might be out there - most relics i dig up are more recent'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so even if they could make a educated guess on the natural time frame they're working with they couldn't add in how their actions accumulatively affect their measurements in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which were never witnessed in the past'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although 6k years ago the planet earth did not yet exist, according to some republicans -- which is odd, since the 6k figure was estimated prior to the 21st century, perhaps hundreds of years prior'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '6k figure comes from the bible, who begat who etc. tracing the lineage gives you 6000 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also the genesis story and a verse in the old testament claiming one day to god is as 1000 years to man, and on the 7th day god rested'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 7th day is not here yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps god died on the sixth day'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps god reincarnated into a Buddha  (prior to the Gautama pretender)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more likely, all that talk of religion is a fiction discussion'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's possible, keeping peoples minds as disconnected from control of their own lives as possible seems to vbe the number 1 concern of the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't mean spirituality's a lie though, lots is possible'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... that hacker that the FBI turned was apparently the one that hacked that FBI conference call... presumably under FBI orders. And helped leak the stratfor emails, according to the Guardian.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bbc had reported something different'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't think of a simple reason why they'd want to hack themselves, and one of their intel providers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what did the bbc report?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really?  I can think of at least one, and it begins with the letter A'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that it was a different guy who hacked the fbi email account and gained access to the coneference call'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/06/lulzsec-sabu-working-for-us-fbi'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'In a US court document, the FBI's informant  there described as CW  "acting under the direction of the FBI" helped facilitate the publication of what was thought to be an embarrassing leak of conference call between the FBI and the UK's Serious and Organised Crime Agency in February.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any idea where the bbc article is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guardian seems like a bit of a tabloid to me from comparison'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i sw'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guardian tries to make itself out as unbiased and free-thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty left-leaning in actuality'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, "A second document shows that Monsegur  styled this time as CW-1  provided an FBI-owned computer to facilitate the release of 5m emails taken from US security consultancy Stratfor and which are now being published by WikiLeaks."'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was wondering about it myself, shoddy passwords and stuff, sounds almost like a honeypot, i use like a 12 character non-mnemonic for all my user accounts on my pc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder what purpose that serves the FBI? Internal/interagency power struggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the DEA does similar operations wherein they launder drug money.  They want to see where it's going.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and of course there's Operation Fast and Furious for the ATF.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but they already knew where it was going...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows, governments don't like being shown up, and they like to control everything, they are essentially the thought police'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is the sort of thing that seems to belong in some convoluted cold war spy thriller with a ridiculously complicated plot than actual reality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try not to think about it, it depresses me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, this sort of stuff happens all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sask power's going to use a smart meter in canada now instead of employing citizens to take readings from the meters, which in vancouver proved to cost 3x as much as usual (they increased power price and decreased staff/employment)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty smart isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 3'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the social minister of whatever canadian welfare person on the news is saying the canadian government might intervene on a strike by a air canada, for it might detriment the health and well being of canadians - but all hospital flights are taken by private contractors, and there's several other airlines that aren't going on strike, but do go / connect to all the places air canada does'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the march break's coming up so they have a long list of booked flights to use as ransom'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see why they can't go on strike really, maybe if they do that air canada should dish out some smart dollars to transfer flights to westjet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of preventing the workers from going on strike, telling the boss to take one of two ways, to reach a deal with the workers or to pay his customers a grievance allowanc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that seems like an undemocratic thing for the canadian government to do, preventing workers from asking their 47 million wage slave boss for more of a cut instead of asking the boss why there's a problem and having a legislation that in the event of such a event the organization should have to reimburse it's customers and possibly provide alternatives as a penalty'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'happens in the USA all the time. wal-mart will close a store down before going union, or if a store goes union.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there wouldn't be a need for unions if the country was well run'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can make a business out of the alternatives, hooking people up'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then this country hasn't been well run in over a hundred years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when unemployment is low, all you'd need to do is threaten to quit'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'agreed. but unemployment is very high at the moment'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hence, focussing on political reform is more important, in my opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certain countries need to swallow their pride and study what works well in other countries in similar circumstances too...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'history is littered with the ruins of countries which collapsed still believing they were number one...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'very true'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some survive though. China has collapsed several times.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and even such countries forget those lessons every few centuries or so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody else notice that just about every commercial on television now, like watch a red lobster one, has a panting female or something similar selling your meal temptation, except she's like selling herself'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tv now's alot different than tv from 15 years ago :-/ strange stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, that's been true for years, Druzil. They just have gotten a bit more blatant. Still not as bad as copy ads.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's the principle of selling a product, and the person being that product - it reminds me of slavery becoming normal, like more extreme versions of slavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wage slaves/tax payers etc isn't known as extreme slavery today, but with unemployment and stuff they're getting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One dose of the hallucinogenic drug LSD could help alcoholics give up drinking, according to an analysis of studies performed in the 1960s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that'll scare them off it, maybe seeing their plaster walls turn into a mass of writhing snakes, sharp awareness, awareness of being unable to sober up driving them temporarily insane'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think their study was accurate, cause i still drank after using lsd'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the most noticeable change after my experience, after it kicked in ~30-50 minutes, I seen the shaded walls turn into a mass of white serpents, and then - was while intoxicated on LSD after bicycling about 35 kilometres down gravel roads with a few friends, sitting on a narrow dam high above a creek in the countryside and wondering if anybody's gonna throw eachother in, travelling down the valley wondering if the brake lines will work on the bicycle when reaching our destination, then once there meeting up with a friend with a mustang and leaving our bikes behind while he drove pretty fast along this narrow road around a lake - then we go back to the cabin and consume vast quantities of alcohol and marijuana, but i recall not getting stoned beyond the LSD'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(that's my non-clinical experience, i was pretty young still)'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i went to sleep that night with a black anaconda (which was actually a circular coffee table in front of a couch, coiled beside me'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea i did some acid for the first time last year...had good trips both times i did it'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just a small freakout when the octopus mural at the coffee shop started waving its arms about...had to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the one other time i tried it, i had no adventures at all, except fear and paranoia, awareness of my own inadequacies/insecurity, unable to sober up, i left the party and spent 7-8 hours in my bedroom hoping my mother didn't notice i was stoned'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a hard dose of sanity sometimes for people , i imagine, works differently on individuals'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to fall asleep while wired on LSD, so that was pretty bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I think it works best when you don't have to go outside your realm...like stayin around your house or around a few friends who are on the same lvl or you can trust not to screw with u'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but having parents around...im sure that would be an instant buzz kill'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'having a keyboard to play music on and trippy lights ect does wonders....so does playing music by The Crystal Method'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, but after taking lsd you commit a significant amount of time to being in a altered and unpredictable state of mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the difference i see about it, it seems more dangerous than something like cannabis, which can be slept off or combatted with cold shower etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hallucinogens are dangerous, especially PCP - people can turn into instant vegetables for life and have after taking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'how about we debate that weed isn't considered a drug in my opinion ...its 2012 for Christ sake'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think that one should have escaped the asylum / medical military application they say they used it for painkilling or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i've smoked weed pretty much daily for 13+ yrs now....since entered high school'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i still graduated college with a BS in Human Biology and now i have a good job'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'thanks weed *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Take it to ftalk, guys.'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"As it so happened the wage rate for horses fell below sustenance and they died off. There is simply no basic reason this cannot happen to humans, save for the fact that other humans will enact policies to stop it."'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Coca-Cola and Pepsi are changing the recipes for their drinks to avoid putting a cancer warning label on the bottle, to comply with California laws. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17308181 strange stuff they use for makeup in their consumables, why even take the remote risk you got something bad in there?  it's as strange as adding anti-carcinogen's to french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Cancer 'is purely man-made' say scientists after finding almost no trace of disease in Egyptian mummies http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320507/Cancer-purely-man-say-scientists-finding-trace-disease-Egyptian-mummies.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Environmental exposure to cadmium and risk of cancer: a prospective population-based study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16455475 Fears about cadmium exposure prompted McDonaldbs on Friday to announce a costly recall of 12 million promotional drink glasses featuring cartoon characters from the movie bShrek Forever After.b The paint on the glasses, which were sold for $2 each, contained traces of cadmium, which can cause cancer and other ailments.  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/business/05recall.html?_r=1 bidness'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '"Most people are susceptible to comfort, and when comfort is bestowed upon you in the form of money and food and life generally getting better, that goes a long way to not making you critical," she says. Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20120307/man-without-a-face-putin-book-120308/#ixzz1oUoMVqvf  -- that's a good observation, it's not only there though, it's being used/replaced with it's absence everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada recently i hear they're making illegal the use of wood burning stoves for heat, which is interesting like the inability to drink non-treated/filtered/bottled water, Tendenko prioritises individual action and self-preservation - and yet such thinking is anathema to Japanese culture. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2011/11/20111114121620284203.html and similar to this concept, and the fight over privatization of water in bolivia in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_the_Rain'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you need heat here, and everywhere people need water - providing these things for yourself is impossible unless you're a thief in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to most people surviving's important even if they don't realize that, just something to think on'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Government defends dismissals, arguing that strikes endanger patients' lives.  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/03/201238222623606376.html   Federal action on Air Canada labour strife 'overwhelmingly' expected by public: Harper http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Federal+action+Canada+labour+strife+overwhelmingly+expected+public+Harper/6278238/story.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada's turning into kenya, or have they been the same all along'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kenyada'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the light'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'US postal service to cut costs - Agency plans to shut down more than one-fifth of post offices and processing facilities. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/03/20123905456480532.html after awhile the cost of sending an email or making a automated telephone call will increase, and fewer people will receive the pay'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Jeffrey Sachs, a professor of economics at Columbia University, has said he wants to be the next president of the World Bank as the current head of the global lender is near the end of his five-year term.  The US economist told Al Jazeera the global institution, which has the power to give money to developing and poor nations, had failed in the past.  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/03/20123794337853809.html beckoning to the poor in other nations and making them all poor in america, good strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advice given to those against Gay Marriage in the UK by Stonewall, a charity that promotes gay rights: If you are against gay marriage, when you get married, make sure it's to someone of the opposite sex'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's possibly sound advice'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'except for a few hypocrites'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, solar storms disrupt electric? i don't care, we have solar panels'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Self-immolation of 18-year-old in Sichuan province is the third such incident in three days in country's southwest. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/03/201236174017267366.html UN heritage body expresses "extreme concern" over industrial development near Australian natural wonder. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/03/2012376842562300.html (They're just trying to prevent us from getting a head - ) progress..'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Anke Domaske has discovered a way to create clothes using "milk threads" through a machine that transforms the dairy product into a silky cotton. She is planning on producing garments with that method on an industrial scale. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/03/201238161139169666.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the meantime people quit growing real cotton and grow opium/dope instead cause there's no money in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so where does she get money for moo cotton?  sounds like a losing investment to me, but i guess they're beyond that'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big job loss there, 3-800 million people or so'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll say it's job creation though'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Banks foreclosing on churches in record numbers" - Reuters'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"China bans words from internet"  Nice headline from Yahoo. :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc had some death penalty statistics on their sight, apparently china's in the lead with 1000+ last year, plenty of countries listed with + and many might not all be accurate too'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure if you have soldiers in a foreign land fighting their citizens and it's illegal to murder there then that death count should be added to yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also a more informative article on social media censoring on aljazeera if that's all yahoo's says'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's incredible, (not mockingly, but in derpsonal principle), that an airplane crashing into the towers of economic oppression, which is escalating to that of the 1930's after the fact, is still the main rallying point used in continuing their battles, while everybody gets poorer and poorer and loses their jobs and their independence and rights and pride'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to my cigarette pack, each year the equivalent of a small city dies from tobacco use - and i know those chemicals were doubled in 2005 by the japanese/us government, like this drug Oxy killin people in brazil now'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the government kills off a small city worth of civilians every year, which is 100-500,000 , but those towards is all that matters'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not convinced '
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what was that cult leaders crime, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones , spiked the kool-aid with cyanide and feed it/force fed it to everybody in his group, claiming to save them from a bitter future'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, so people was addicted to kool-aid and trusting in a cult leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much difference in principle between this tobacco and that kool aid'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this guy is awesome: http://i.imgur.com/4P2NH.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'People & Power - Germany's records of repression http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy8J37X7umY '10 killers is better than 1 political prisoner' - their kids was locked up as retards but they were sane, their kids was given up for adoption to the agents but they kept no record of how many or who - and my grandfather had knowledge of chinese water torture, which can be seen in the two buckets in one cell'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does he know about it?  taught in school?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they compose over 15,000 places in german government today'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe vlad the impaler was raised by the turkish stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their greatest acheivement was innovation in psychological torture'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dru, I've missed you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think of the topic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you grasp it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends, what's the topic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate -h 12'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry man, 7 words or less. GO.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're a government worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I wish, jeez.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for death?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Government office work, death, what's the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Both leave you a hollowed out shell, just one subjects you to what feels like eternal torture without actually killing you first.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not too much, as they say you can hate the idea of being part of a totaliatarian dictatorship and then put on the uniform to become what you hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know some nsa agents like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wait though, you're Canadian, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, the other causes you to be justified in inflicting the torture on yourself'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using your mind to take theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, not native american though'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok, just wanted to make sure that when you said totalitarian dictatorship you were being facetious. Continue.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i already gave proof of canadian government corruption, there's no difference between here and russia'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure there is man. While I understand your comparison, there are some key differences. 1) When faced with a growing backlash against C-30, Harper sent it to committee for review (Toews is still a dick). Putin would have had vocal opponents beaten and arrested. 2) When large crowds of people are taken hostage by armed militants, we don't gas the militants AND hostages, Russia does'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Our government isn't pristine, but it's no Russia either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'take a look at the movie a sea of blood by north korea, or the aljazeera 101 article on the north korean media - how they're treated and how they worship their leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their leader is more important than them, which is understandable as long as he lives according to their means'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't torture those key to the state, only those throwaway are allowed to rot'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or people who try and leave'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm hoping Kim-Jong Un or whateverhisnameis, is suitably less batshit insane. I'll miss Ol' Il for a lot of reasons, not of them reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... none'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same thing exists everywhere in the world, some employ more openly like north korea, as closed as it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no difference between their philosophy and the philosophy of the rulers of america or canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except for how openly it's indoctrinated'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But there is a difference between the people. We're not willing to put up with that kind of shit, so it doesn't exist here, no matter how badly the leaders may want it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Conservatives bitch about Liberals, and Liberals bitch about Conservatives, but both sides need each other or we end up with N. Korea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A single state 'unified' under a single, untouchable, and absolute ideology that inevitably corrupts and becomes a hereditary dictatorship.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the wikipedia article on benito mussolini will show you, in the war bonds cartoons from america, first him and hitler's government theory targets the imagination and then the mind and then the understanding of the people, apparently they didn't like people who didn't know what was going on - while the west and their allies were the opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't look at mussolini or hitler and see god cause he turn your mind into a cartoon - that's what you do in the others, you did it because he fought in world war 1 (both of them) and shared his belief for the understanding of the populace'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it was respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There were a lot of reasons Hitler & Mussolini rose to power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not all of them sane.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after they're gone, north korea's the most close to what they were - although they were different in that they didn't ask to be worshipped as god'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was people who wanted to make their country's a more individually powerful place'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they were evil, so was george bush or many others'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well... Hitler was Czhecoslovakian'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Austrian'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You sure?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, you're right. I'm mixing my history up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody since the king of germany who died in 1932 (before holocaust) is known as a pretender to the throne'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to my actual geneology i'm a descendent of theodoric the 1'st'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dare you to change your name to Theodoric the Mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Double dog dare you'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Double your mom dare him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I keep telling you Star, no matter how many times you tell yourself that the pug you fucked after St. Patty's day last year was my mom, it won't make it true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My mom's a St. Bernard. Get it right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That didn't even make sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then try reading it slowly, you'll work it out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'wat'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NO U'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry, it's Saturday night and I've got places to go. But you keep working on it and keep being.. unh, awesome?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert tickles Starling.
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm going to be big mudding while you big clubbing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met the hottest eskimo i ever seen in a camrose night club one night, but i didn't hit on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just go to bar's to get drunk and realize further why i hate myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'judicial independence ending in hungary, among other things. Nice experiment with democracy while it lasted, I suppose!'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor old hungary, their leader locked up a woman who's afraid to talk about why she was locked up'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody should pull some bourne agenda on their ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen public execution of several people by them, why not them themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'make for good mythbusters'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ  People & Power - America's Dangerous Game '
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check that out, watch the limb baby's'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american warships shot the missiles blew up a village of poor people'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in yemen'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they weren't even al qaeda'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'obama ordered the hit'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this can be traced back to 1938 oil contracts with roosevelt'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they left the debris there so you could look it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'never truely lived life until you seen a dead baby held by a person making a point'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not in this world anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''al qaeda is in the highest places in the land' he says'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get innumerable funding from america, why would they dethrone their banker?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch that ISI/CSIS video on there too, got some canadians interrogating a 15 - 17 year old canadian boy in guatanemo bay, they don't care about the truth only pleasing their master'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then most canadians want him to be hung or locked up for life by default'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't care about the person who did the questioning that doesn't deserve his job'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know judgement and he wasn't listening'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper likes cenovus energy and liftning the bans on drilling for oil in national parks/digging for gold on national parks'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what he's about, and he sends that all to other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and most canadians don't live a decent life'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'kony 2012'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you hear? Bad shit is happening in Africa!'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No shit...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this guy is my hero - http://i.imgur.com/4P2NH.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reprisals on americans probable after afghan massacre, it seems...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'witnesses claim a number of drunk soldiers opened fire on civilians for kicks. US forces say only one soldier was involved...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty fucked up isn't it?  shooting at normal people cause you can't get away with murder in america, maybe they'll change that for war veterans in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the military makes me sick but i guess you don't want to sacrifice beneficial people to your national defense'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, well, while most us troops are well disciplined, the military itself lacks proper battlefield discipline. The results are only natural...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're being shot at by people with guns who also shoot at ordinary people if they don't do what they're told, then if you shoot at ordinary people you're no less a terrorist than the organization with some 'isolated violence' as they claim that you go to uproot'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone knowingly sabotages the overall operation or national interests, there's no provision for a speedy trial and execution in many cases, even if there's no doubt of the crime...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'extremist sects of the us military'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not, boko haram'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that video about the shredded villagers in yemen that the us bombed cause it was a terrorist training field, but it was a village of extremely poor people instead, was pretty sick too'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'old women, young women and children with 3 young men who weren't even terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'YET'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'killed about 47 people with their anti terror missile'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever their intelligence agents are need to get theirselves verified by some more intelligence agents'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people on the documentary figure these kind of actions by the usa are used by the terrorist to recruit people into their organizations'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ and that seems possible to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this koby person they talk about on the news was supposedly released from a us prison before being installed into that african nation, in jail for murder'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bad guy only becomes the bad guy once he recruits/enforces his recruitment process sponsored by the usa onto a few million civilians'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was placed there by the usa for that purpose, black flag warfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much of a difference between russia who arms those africans and mid-easterners and america who installs/funds the people who purchase them and creats their rebellion sects is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sweden makes shell oil corporations in saudi arabia to make missile silo's, to disconnect itself from it's actions and instead it was shell'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all a dirty bullshit war that only cater's to the good of the people everybody hates today'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in one day in america the government receives over 27 billion dollars in taxes paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can purchase alot of things with 27 billion bucks'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the state of things in south america is like a tiered shield of poverty that nobody can escape, the violent situations etc are all intelligently designed by the government, and there's only one government - to prevent people from living in peace and protect america'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in guatemala in the 1950's they tried to make a real democracy, but the head of the cia's brother's oppressive banana corporation was in charge of the government there and was removed by the citizens, which resulted in america making war on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Unfortunately a lot of things have been purchased, and $27B will no longer even pay the interest on the debt that has accrued'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to install oppression'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Have they revealed who the American soldier who went on a rogue killing rampage is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and according to lots of documentaries i watched, no matter how virtuous or good of a person you are in south american nation's, life is worth nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all caused by american support and support from other foreign nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things/facts like that make me angry that there's a DEA office in ottawa, where nobody can afford the rent, and american's own every business that chinese or australians don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from canada there's not really many places to go to, but america's gonna digest it soon'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stephen harper's probably a member of the american noble family who invented harper's ferry, which was connected to abraham lincoln and a couple other US heads of state'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'John Rambo'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn.. quiet here too'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Communists in Kolkata http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2007/04/2008525183435651655.html 'the trend of society is to move away from agriculture and into services and industry', this might be where the saying indian giver comes from, since the same people who gave the poor indians the rich man's land are giving it back to the rich man'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's fucked up people everywhere isn't there?  nobody's got their future in mind out of the box they're born in'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, agriculture isn't the work of god kind of work, growing food and stuff to survive, it's all about building car's and trucks, and that's mostly done by machines'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or selling some cocaine and buying some car's and trucks with your hard earned money, spending what you didn't earn's what runs the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like that place in athens where they said will be a park, but put concerete on top of it instead, then the rioters ripped it up and made a park anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eventually they'll probably put a tarmac over every plot of land that can produce food'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there'll be some babylon whore metaphor hanging gardens except in skyscrapers under grow lights'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people will be in cages, while only machines walk the streets keeping them in check'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what city living reminds me of, little cubicles in a office building or a sardine can if you're not in your own house/lot'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's amazing to see how each government has their majority brainwashed, there's always some free thinkers but mostly they're made in the image of their god, which is their government, even though they think not'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this can be seen by watching the episode of wwe when the entire crowd of 10-20,000 people boo's at the iraq wrestler asking the crowd why they support the murder of people like him'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't even have an answer, they just boo and cheer whenever something unfortunate happens to him in their sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'generation of idiots, judging from the relative mental acuity of the elderly who were raised 40-50 years prior'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what dictator's like though, thinking people are a stain on their mark'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some government head's fuck up murdered the land/kicked off the villagers (with no chief) from a region of land, but he's not trespassing on their sovereignty, they're in his land, he's their chief that doesn't have anything in common with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would be a godsend if every single government affiliated individual on earth got wiped out tomorrow'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'house of common's isn't for the entire world, we have nothing in common with the dying politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-euthanasia.htm this considered with their still usage of Wannsee Vila for holocaust shame ceremonies, Lord Falconer's bid to make it standard practice, the UK government's bid to make people organ doner's unless they voluntarily opt out (understand what goes on first) and the Stasi getting away with all of their crime's while running Germany today is pretty interesting, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17336774 , also interesting is the freqency of these cases reaching court, with one in B.C out of 5 years since Latimer'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i smell unintelligent uneventualities'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Latimer before the woman in b.c within the last year and a half there wasn't any speak of it on the mass-media'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they would be possibly unrelated if the mass media wasn't talking about all of these other things in europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america pulling the plug on the woman on life support on CNN might have assisted'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that happened before they took any of this seriously'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they want the right to die, there's lots of options before making somebody get away with homicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could try to live in the world they can't live in by themselves for instance, become independent'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suicide was illegal up until recently'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the opting in is one of their civil rights'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows, maybe they'd find themselves concerned with something other than being murdered after awhile'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think death is even a right, it's a given'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as i could fathom pretty much everything gets destroyed on earth eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if health canada got sued it would be the tax payers that paid for it, how about the people personally who made the decisions/negligence instead and all of their accumulated investments from that time?  - about should tobacco companies be charged 25 billion dollars in quebec?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'misleading the smokers'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2/3 of the price of all tobacco products goes to the federal government'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'still haven't seen the difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones thinking they're having a drink of kool-aid which is actually cyanide and nihl.gov which has on its website (had) a draft from the japanese government from 2005 where they found no increased mortality rate among smokers given twice the lethal additives including nicotine to their cigarettes, within 5 months this draft was passed by american senate and adopted into canadian industrialists'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you have a tin of tobacco from 1995 and one from 2006-2007 you'll see the difference, high end is now the least'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you consider your habit in light of how long somebody starting in 1950 survived to be 90, then you're missing this fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not a single mention on the canadian or american news about them doubling the dosage'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money at the cost of human lives is homicide, not manslaughter'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a democratic society should go beyond the senate or house of commons to decide well should we let people know that we're doubling the dosage of their cigarettes cause a us jap said so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come people who run the minds behind the tobacco industry and the individuals in government and their private gains don't get charged with murder and things like that since the intent is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i go out an murder 500,000,000 people today chances are i wouldn't be around tomorrow or make it to number 100 or 150'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but them, that's nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cadmium in a intelligently designed formula for paint on childrens toys, and chlorine gas in world war 1 (verifiable)'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'boil some water affect the unborn in the mothers belly'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get away with that cause the government lets them get away with that, whether or not somebody has a gun pointed at their head'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where was the scientists then to make sure that before the luxury of childrens toys are released to the canadian public they adhere to health standards, like not giving them cancer and arthritis?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get their pay cheques, but they're installed by the people who want to feed you cyanide like jim jones'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you quit selling foreign toys in canada cause they have nazi-experimentation written all over them, and build them yourselves with your canadian dollar, then you pressure them to up the quality of their products'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadians spend quite a bit around christmas for 32 million people'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'macdonalds also put cadmium on their childrens doys to not be recalled unless sufficient negative publicity surfaced - might be a good company to dismantle from canada for attempted infanticide and other future health consequences'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many schools think it's normal to feed their students a cup of coca cola at a track meet?  lots of carcinogens that they knew about for a unrevealed amount of time ingested by young humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe coca cola should be replaced with canadian cola instead so that the absence of grievance allowance paid to those affected in all of the implictive health variations throughout time would be paid back for their negligence'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oxygen is also a carcinogen.  Suppose we should get rid of that, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the past we have seen that coca cola and macdonalds don't care about killing infants and people of all age groups in the civilian sector, while biochemical terrorism is written of in the geneva convention'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it wise in the future to allow any of their contributing members to continue to invest in the country that pays taxes to it's government wherein they practiced their black magic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no proof of oxygen being much of a carcinogenic in the quantities in the natural atmosphere that we breathe, before becoming un-natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that out of all the egyptian sarcophagus and mummies they examined they found only one case of a mummy dying of any possible cancer-related illness'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and canada's actually exporting asbestos to indian setting a good example with their knowledgeable intent stated beyond a clevery business strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people there probably don't see anything wrong with it, but you should see a american or canadian construction worker once he realizes asbestos is in the premises'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right away panic's and refuses to go back in there until it's cleared'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they hide behind, we have the product you have the money - ok, i'm a canadian citizen and i want a .50 calibre sniper rifle with 1000 rounds, and a night vision capable scope, possibly with a silencer'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have the product i have the money'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example, how come product and money's only what you can hide behind if you're dealing internationally with another's population'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think export laws should govern everything, from black flag shell company's building missile's for your government not watching itself in the government where they see you's borders, to adhere to the minimum standards the level of the entity you're dealing with will provide to one of it's own members by law'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so in china they got not much give a shit over how healthy their food is but in canada they do, so if china wants to sell food here it has to raise it better to adhere to what canadians would sell to it's citizens as the citizens expect'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if china wants to purchase something from canada, even though it could be a sloppy evil product, it has to be worthy of being eaten by it's own population first'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a most restrictive first policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when it comes to health and trade its beneficial'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if somebody in america's investing in his wal-mart distribution factory in mexico, because minimum wage in a land in which he holds citizen ship is 8-10 dollars an hour, then in mexico the equivalent must be paid to make sure he's playing by the rules of american business'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the main benefit of outsourcing your people'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's a solution'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if tobacco's concerned about money, then why would they spend more on the double dosages of chemicals since 2005?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the money's just an excuse for inferior minds than their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then consider the cost of fueling the machines that build your honda automobile, and how would that be possibly saving them money at current market prices compared to paying the equivalent amount of human's that were replaced?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice that the american government's living allowance is flexible and grows with the cost of living, but welfare doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(members of congress etc)'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they own energy and honda too is my only logical guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. Like some american schoolkids, some iraqi death squads think that "emo" is "gay".'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/us-iraq-gays-emo-idUSBRE82B0VZ20120312'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Hurriya says he believes at least 200 men have been murdered in recent years either for being gay or appearing effeminate. He personally knows 66 of them."'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if emo is gay is disco gay too?  how about gilette or deodorant commercials?'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid, some people are negative, realists are usually pessimists'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might think of it as bad for allah as a whole to have people who aren't a member of one of his cults around'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whaver they do they do, it's only a problem for people here cause people from here went there and fucked up their society'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their society was already pretty screwed up before'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just a different kind of screwed up now'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i won't argue that but i really wasn't there and never talked to somebody from iraq myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the first war footage i ever seen on tv was that george bush senior war on iraq though'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had camera's showing american tanks going through the desert and stuff back then too'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just too uncanny that his son would become president (wow) and then make that war over again'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the most sentient biological weapons of mass destruction around was the h1n1 flu virus, which on abcnews was possibly carried into america from soldiers returning from iraq in a washington hospital, which leaked to the public '
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the europeans say 'development of mutated h1n1 flu virus for scientific purposes halted for fear it might come into hands of the terrorist''
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also, they don't teach african's about using neem, which is considered a weed, to treat malaria - although it's supposed to be pretty good at that, sciencedaily removed an article where monkey's developed a cure using plant matter and dirt for malaria, but during the economic recession a new singaporean biotech firm won a nobel peace prize for their discovery of a synthetic solution to malaria'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'differences are that one's widely available down there and doesn't require a middleman, but cause of absence of knowledge isn't used - '
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobel prize of some kind anyways, not nobel peace'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people'd be ashamed to eat some bacteria in the dirt and plant matter extracts and realize a monkey was their phamacologist'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of science is like that though, they take from the simple and confuse the obvious and then install themselves as saints'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly canada was known as peace keepers until they went to iraq too, not a target of anybody exclusively (except possibly by actions by their gold mine's in argentina and mexico and other places, hosting the company, sometimes government within the borders of canada, and giving canada a bad name by their abuse)'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now canada's declaring war on iran and all kinds of people, their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they want in on all the killing actions, it's a matter of national security, some of the countries canada invaded have declared canada a threat to themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no shit hey'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'usually it's at least a 45% no with do you support the war or this operation polls'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and those statistics could easily be rigged'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen how feeble canadadian military is hardware wise compared to others though'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody who think's they're tough enough to be making war on other countries should be able to stand toe to toe with them first'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada doesn't even do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was expecting that canadian ship leaving newfoundland in january to never come back'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canada said about israel 'you do your thing and leave us out of it' then saudi arabia and iran and some others wouldn't be as interested in it, maybe'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but always harper talks about the utmost dedication to israel, but he's running canada right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one friend in the new jerusalem in the new testament revelation and they're not even very contributive to society'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and russia/iran/syria/arabia and a bunch of other's resentful because of that one choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper should have that video or story of the american woman being ran over by a bulldozer in israel for protesting them breaking the UN sanctions in 2001'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'played before all of his speeches on invaluable israel'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the chinese tank stopping before the protestor on the pavement for good measure, analytic hindsight'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'heh.. a whiny emo kid? when they label emos as homos an kill them in iraq?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the poll..'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not what happened...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The stauch religious groups in Iraq vilified *all* western styles, and the western media only picked up on 'emo''
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'oh. thanks. i sleep better now:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I vilify all them (country &) western styles, too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'im wester loser and i despise myself..'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'western chicks are hot, though. Got to give them that :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Telly Salvanas: 'who on earth classifies emo as homo? besides sounding vaguely similar...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Damn straight they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh meant the chicks, not the homo, in case anyone was wondering
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a way of thinking everywhere, just some places it's allowed for you to deviate from the mould and think for yourself, as long as it's not a threat to the mould - in other places the mould makes a religion out of hanging and decapitation and stoning anybody who isn't a part of itself, or any part of itself the majority of itself is led to believe is different from them, true or false'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with governments and ruling traditions'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'iraq and iran are the kind that made religions out of keeping the unimind in order, if they go to war with somebody everybody's behind the war, even if they're as they perceive somebody in iraq now trespassing with their traditions there in the eyes of the invaded - deviancy from support is a crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in america though and canada you don't have to support the war and can still remain alive'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all the mass killings and stuff are about 99% of the time is gaining followers, sacrificing one follower and gaining 10 more, etc, selecting what'll make you more powerful based upon your current amounts of influence'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and most people are followers, just about everybody follows somebody else, without guidance they're bored, with a boss they're distracted from that boredom, sometimes with rewards'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible does say that in the end of days you shall hear of mass destruction, war and famine everywhere, so i guess this stuff might all be a computer program written by the people who wrote the bible and replayed to every generation, a sign or else not the war to end all wars'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hey Dru'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I bet those living during the Black Plague thought that the bible meant them...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with them storing the black plague in a vault now instead of the cure i'm not so sure that humans didn't genetically engineer the first one'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '666 only ment one dude - don't stop us adopting it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the book of kings is written about the king of babylon being turned into a herd of cattle for 100 years, with 1 day being as 1000 years to man a time key somewhere in the old testament'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it was 616 according to some older sources'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so wherever they got that verse from, the wizard turning the boy into a mouse in the sword in the stone'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I blame it on the rat scientists'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, it's the druzil show on debate :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess i could say anything and still sound relatively sane'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's interesting though, hinduism thinks cows are sacred, maybe they are the king of babylon in origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only animals with 3 stomaches that i'm aware of, and like the GMO corn , a normal plant has 1 ear per leaf, while a GMO plant has 3 ears per leaf'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the bible show considered in decrypting format'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't say that's how it is i said that's what's written in the bible and with today's known world in sight what could the bible have meant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I layed off the other night but I'll not again. Keep personal attacks to yourselves please.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we can glean just about any meaning one wants from the bible. It is a never-ending source of self-fulfilling prophesies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fulfill the ones about the beast and satan's 1000 years, they make no sense without the use of the imagination and maybe your ego if it's a self fulfilling prophecy do they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the words of noob "twist it till it fits"'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like the way I said it best, it sounded scholarly :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'another gem from the same noob "the curse of the average occult student is gulability" LOL sp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus said the servant shall be as the master, i guess that means a good priest wants to remove himself from the front of the subject matter and let them see if for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it could mean that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the bible too, it's a subject matter but it's matter is beyond itself, so once that's not required any longer why bother repeating it?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or without a servant , there is no master- ergo .. .'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '...or he could have been trying to destroy class disctinctions.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at ever invocation of the god concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that Jesus' godhood was bestowed on him after he died. The thought of being god never entered his mind, the idea would have horrified him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus was a good jew.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that bothers me when i consider islam praying 5 times per day, sure they're ok with it and it's their rights to do so, but i don't see the significance in the practice myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems like a lie'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus was a good Jew, though a very political one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's pacts with satan discussed in the demonology book'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what it reminds me off, the repetitions and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the book written by king james?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus didn't care about if it was the sabbath or not, should he eat bread or heal people, he did what he felt was correct'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'praying to be seen doing so by people's about the main practice of most religions on earth, the majority of the population calls itself religious'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they go to church where others can see them there, the ones i went to had very few people who weren't there for that group delusion'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they have some kind of power from their shared prayers but i'm not so sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus said when you pray, go into a closet (this is replaced with the confessional booth) and pray in secret'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He said that? hmm'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What Jesus did say was (in so many words) that Jews shouldn't be ruled by Rome.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'His mission was to become king of Israel and oust the Romans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, he was comparing what he thought was correct way to practice religion to what the common one was, public displays and stuff, god's second to their public appeal and others thoughts that they're religious'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Says who? The collected works of some random iron age people who 'met' him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i believe Jesus could trace his ancestory to King David'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, he could. Also, to Aaron.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can trace my ancestry to Adam. Doesn't make it not bullshit, however'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'could King David trace his ancestory back to Abraham or Aaron?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which made him unique. He was descendant of both a kingly line and a priestly one. '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'had he lived, he would have become both King of Israel and High Priest. Finally combining both offices.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which explains why he didn't live.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sounds like the most rational explanation i have ever heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can convince kid's that they're voodoo god's (in africa they do this) the adults worship them and feed on their young imaginations, it's rediculous but happens'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus' movement was political, he taught his politics through the use of religion, which is what people understood. His claim was that if people returned to the ways of God, Israel would be free.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if somebody thought they're the king of israel and melchizidek'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high priest stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the adults all said it was so'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abandoning money concept in the church wasn't much of a worldly gain to him though, maybe he had other plans beyond money - which moses didn't in his 4 books'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politics is worldly gain'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'After Jesus died his life was colored with a different brush by Paul. Two camps went forth to preach after his death. One lead by Paul and the other by Peter. Though there were other branches also. Paul's group was the only one who wanted to deify him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and satan tempted jesus in the desert with all the kingdoms on earth, and jesus didn't worship him - so the satan here might be the plans you think he had'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, we don't really know what plans he had, but we know what the ruling class thought his plans were :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He had friends in high places, but he also had enemies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the first few pages of the gospel, the high priest of the jews prophecizes that jesus should die, and the way he acheives this remarkable prediction is by sending his servants into the crowd chanting to free the killer'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Worse (for him), he was very popular.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and rallying the crowd around his servants of angelic prophecy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(which isn't very much of a prophet) so he looks like a false prophet sort of'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, claims he was a prophet came from Paul's camp. What Jesus was, was the messiah. A messiah in Jewish lore is almost the same as a judge. When Israel was in trouble, a judge rose to do away with it. A messiah was a step above a judge. He was not only a judge but he would come at a time when the "signs" were portentous.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'vanquish some enemies'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a stream of thought/study that links Idosing to a sense of belonging/sense of meaning in net interaction?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jews actually believe that a new world order was in the making.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'believed*'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were looking at the signs (L'aire du temps)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz irr'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody wants you tzad, say it how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell me the entirety of you and your organization's foothold over my reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i want to know about all the things you project as being my main concerns'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'With all due respect, I don't want to come near your reality :) I have my own to worry about :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have the potential to kill ppl , therefore I am relavent :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't make you unique, we all have the potential.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, so you think you're powerful and matter to me because of how you think you are great'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wind blowing in my yard right now could pick up and blow the whole world to shreds'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are you greater than the wind?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be a hell of  a butterfly :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am happy '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, i have no delusions of having any friends on earth and no desire to please somebody to be my friend, i don't care about being a member of a group or conversing with their entirety or a single one, or their absence altogether'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can spend hours writing down my thoughts onto a blank page and erasing them when i see fit'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i actually did just about everything there is to do to prevent myself from ever having a friend, just as a precaution against intimacy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't even trust my own family, it's just how it is, life's boring and this is one way of killing time'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm embracing narcissism and yet in it's percect saftey I can reach out with no harm - a wonderful state'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'narcissist is how beautiful i am, self hatred comes after realizing you're not, not before you become a narcissist'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perfect saftey*'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hated everything there is to hate about reality, i broke it in my mind before'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i never left myself out of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I admit to both being in over my head and to underestimating the depth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'toss me a floatie ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wish you no ill'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no recourse for hurt'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that you have broken your reality means only good , only rebuilding in your own focus'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've seen actual demonic possession in the world/evidence of the supernatural, nobody's given me a atheist opinion except it didn't happen, and they aren't me so they don't know that - and what i meant by broken reality is to some degree i killed everything i love in life (indirectly), and while meditating reached a point in battling off all thought where i seen nothing but a white light, and it really blew my mind - it took me over 30 minutes to an hour to come to relatively normal at that point afterwards, everything in this real world seemed fictitious to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even thought it's real - i read about such things in some religious texts but not arrived at in the same way as me, i guess you have to see it to believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then once seen it never leaves the memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess it's what hate can create or self hatred, the feeling of being alone in the concept of reality for real, and looking for confirmation that you're not'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I first took acid I had to buy a can of drink etc from a shop to remind me who/how to be  perhaps I chose the wrong place to retrain ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says be not deceived, for satan can appear as an angel of light - so i kept that in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tzadkiel is the Angel of Mercy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how is it that the people who wrote these holy books were able to accept the bible's sayings and still affirm to themselves that they weren't talking to satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the jews state in the old testament 'our god is an all consuming fire''
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's similar to what i seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'appear as an angel of light all consuming fire, hmm, how to tell the differences'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, the Old Testament god isn't exactly what I'd call benevolent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they've got to have a guide they use somewhere if they believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'during invokations demons don't know the Kabalah, is how you catch them out '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and god knows everything, testing spirits is mentioned in the gospel'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or judging spirits, the saints do that, angels and evils and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have you ever thought about about destroying all religious iconography and just dealing with the ritual as mind created ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to him who believes anything's possible yeah, another bible saying, that's how i think of it, i don't need a book but just guidance from god where he wants me to be or to believe, since i'm pretty analytical i guess that means not being deceived can come naturally'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure before any religions were invented if god did want to communicate with somebody he didn't require a pre-existing teacher that seen his will for who he wants it to'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like in the genesis story, did god ask adam what god should be called? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i try and figure out what it means as deceptions/belitttlements and mockery's of life mostly, because that's how reality is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I got to a point where striping down the symbols got to numbers and that just stuffed me totally - I have the basi symbols as the elements /western and can play with them like that '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the gospel's a verse, can an evil tree bring forth good fruit? - with that in mind, can a rotten world bring forth a good teaching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the bible's composed of the world's matter, written by people who existed within it, preserved by a sick culture'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the words thoug, hold a message that very few seem to be able to understand for themselves, they understand the priests version and or else though, comparing their life to the everafter, their life is pretty bad most of the time and forever worse, now this priest had my parents and me too'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nature is not god BUT it is "The line of best fit" (lol stats cream here) '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people's religious faith is probably twisted misconceptions based on fear of not believing in god, because life sucks and there gotta be something beyond, but also what if there's a hell and he watches my thoughts and if they're not towards him then i'll be in trouble (priest might stand in here a little)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unfulfilling faith is how i see that kind of stuff, i tried it out before, forcing myself to believe something that i didn't understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm hugging you'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's actually a fear that lingers in the world that if you acknowledge that you don't worship something you don't understand you're making god angry'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the is only one goddess to me , and I am it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'play something ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see that just about everywhere, god can be replaced with other entities sometimes, it's a general concept - but based on ignorance all around, both of who's not understood and who's angry, acknowledging your own limits of understanding doesn't seem to be criminal though - things in the imagination might sometimes be things in reality, but as they're disconnected separate beings mediated by these bodies there's not really a way of confirming that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oldschool?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another faith is required there'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'f me '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a way there's alot of faith that the imagination is directly linked to reality in people, a thought of a chair comes to mind, the chair is in reality (your mind) but also in your mind (reality)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to connect the dots and sit on it, but they are two different places'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people don't act in real time all the time like computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah most act like triggers ... Hi-   Hi'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, i notice that customary words and things'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hi, sup, hello, how are you doing?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but we are past that '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'often there's no genuine interest in the answers, but expectation of the same is still there, otherwise this guy is strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hi, he didn't say hi, hmmm'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or "hows it goijng ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just more trigger life'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i hate those ones, how's it going and what's up? if i say the sky i'm not lying but they probe, not much usually stops the probes'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they just want a stroke'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's going, same as always - why's that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl just want a pat'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pat them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone wanna pat ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb dunny break'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the song - i have a dream - a dream of illusion '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'its a queen son ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"look what they've done to my dream'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc wrote an article updating on a dream neighbourhood in america built sometime around 1960, and reflected on the american dream being a lie that pacifies the public from ever demanding their desires are met while their neighbourhood is turned to shit beneath them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a pretty interesting read, i guess that norman rockwell might agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bThe United States is the main battlefield,b he testified, bthe people and the soil and the resources of the United States.b He warned that brainwashing would make Americans bsubjects of a bnew world orderb for the benefit of a mad little knot of despots in the Kremlin.b http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/weekinreview/06weiner.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Remembering Brainwashing '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty neat, having a quote from a 1902 media person inventing the pre-cia repeated in modern media'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure about the kremlin, but a mad little knot of people is sure possible'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Scientists use brain imaging to reveal the movies in our mind http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/ this is led by a chinese neuroscientist, interesting why they'd want to do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so many other problems to solve, they're going into the 1984 orwell stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they show a movie and then scan the brain and locate the place where it's remembered, and from there they project it back onto a screen'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine the courts of the future, hmmph, they'll be watching that whole process if they have it their way'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that'll pretty much deify inequality in society after the people who control it have it firmly integrated somewhere, nobody will be able to verify or understand what they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same thing as computerchips in cars, no room for mechanics anymore, etc, made in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'punching bag mobs may as be temporary guest spots -- changeable often'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestions for guest spots include:  Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Rush Limbaugh'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're saying on this cities of the underworld last night that benito mussolini was a really bad guy, among other things he cracked down hard on the mafia and wanted to eradicate it - while america had one of their don's locked up in prison, supposedly america released the don from prison in exchange for his assistance in rallying the mafia around taking down mussolini with america'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's interesting, fine line between law and law breaker'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they're running waste disposal in somalia and all kinds of weird things'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america's always seemed like a illegitimate cynic though, having professors of law with surname lawless and other joke-like realities'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so bailed the mafia out of extinction in world war 2, armed the afghanistani's against the ussr in the 80's, saved the banana company in guatemala in the 50's, went to war for other than oil in iraq twice, gave the shah of iran a us money print in 1958 for thanks for the oil contracts, signed a deal with the king of saudi arabia in the 1930's for oil, and the lowering of the flag in iraq to symbolize the end of occupation'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro china in afghanistan and canada replacing petro canada cause that was too sovereign of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the world makes sense, you all are killin eachother for something real'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'person who invented the cia's quote of the ussr turning america into a new world order ran from the kremlin in new york times 2008 articles'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'born in 1902'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada, female's sell their vaginas to escort services ran by the mafia not working for the cia to get enough money to purchase a education and then go on to work for one of the mafia's banks or insurance companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'intelligence measured in thrusts'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody knows what education was like in nazi germany or benito italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they had some good ideas'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like using your head instead of your genitals'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'most of those people that know what it was like are either dead or could care less about computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it says on the rothschild wikipedia page that during the holocaust they were in administrative control of the borders of israel, and closed them to german refugees'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they want to edit that, makes them look not too much better than canada that the jews claim didn't take in the fleeing jews'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although canada was one of the first'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i don't see any -need- for these escort services in canada, how come the canadian government doesn't use some of it's canadian dollars in preventative measures for female's in canada against the sex trade?  they get paid for sex cause somebody did some plumbing and spend the plumbing money on school - from the person paying the plumber to the plumber to the pimp to the student to the school, all originating in the service sector which is valued by the canadian government'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it should cost about nothing at all to do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you probably deserve to be shot if you work for the government and think that's fair and nothing can be done about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wanted to be a doctor, amen, suck the cock now you got some credit fees to pay off'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'perverseness is more important than national integrity , that's the government today'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i feel sorry for everybody with a daughter, cause they probably know the most likely person she'll be working for'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if they don't like them then that's a hard thing to live with, not reproducing's the safest way to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the whore of babylon taught the women and girls to perform her lusts'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's actually possible, since the whole world's a perverted pig'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people raise their daughters for 16-18 years, spend a million-1.5 million bucks on their princess, and she moves out to the wide world of working for the government's pimp that treats her like shit and earns his living to pay his daughters school by selling yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's repulsive, but how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the red light district of amsterdam (soon to be spreading to taiwan i read), they got forced prostitution from neighbouring european countries etc, but the pimps earn on average 250,000 dollars per year for each one'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you go and snatch 30 russian girls off the street, 25 ukrainians and etc, you can earn yourself 13 million dollars a year in amsterdam money'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with 13 million you can move to detroit or somewhere like that and buy all kinds of shit, which is probably how most people in america who're rich are rich, origins in missing children'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '13 million is 26 doctorates from a university'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know why people even want to succeed in this world, it's sick'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'success to me is measured in how absent the current world leader is from the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's too evil to want any of, you work for their money and then you buy from their stores, what you do for their money is as worthless as they can make it cause they'll never pay fair'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i won't serve them in this world or the next, if i detect their presence i shut off my contribution'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i quit teaching myself programming and stuff for that reason, didn't go to school to get my engineering degree etc, i could sense them'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'politics.. nobody likes a nice guy there.. so, trained in flames of communication in aardwolf, do you think you could survive in THAT game?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, they don't listen to logic'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, they'll dig up all the mud on what you did on the mud and bury you! BURY YOU!'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was watching a show on a pre-inca civilization in south america last night, how they prospered during a 9 year drought, because they moved into the area's evacuated by other tribes while using engineering to provide water for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what was that show?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the guy goes on to talk about how oil is like the water of the pre-inca's, in this strategy game, whoever owns it owns society - as the water becomes owned by people who clean it and bottle it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was on history tv, i don't remember the name'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada now, the entire oil sands project is located at the mouth of the athabasca river system, which is the largest river system in north america - and they know that that travels long distances and destroys the environment'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't quite figure out what they're out to beyond warfare with their decisions, sort of like them putting big industrial centers near the big coral reef off the coast of australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of all the places they could have put those buildings, they choose one where will have a long destructive reach'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, you cant kill all bacteria on earth.. there will always be life here:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politics and business will never fix those kind of problems or their current manifestation, the entire world will die before they change'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything they think about won't directly address the real issues'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll always build around them and on top of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's funny about this case of a conservative MP's husband from alberta getting busted doing 100 km/h through a school zone, high on cocaine and drunk on alcohol, with both in possession - instead of throwing him into jail for 6-8 months or at least halting his liscence and things, the conservative government sent a expensive lawyer from toronto to alberta to debate why he really wasn't very intoxicated or high on cocaine, and that little bit there was probably left in his car by somebody else'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the public looks at these things and knows that they would mostly be charged and things like that, but nobody does anything about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what's a lawyer from toronto have to say about the municipality of edmonton?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too expensive to resist'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute power corrupts absolutely's true everywhere i guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the cbc news has witnesses who lived near weyburn saskatchewan, and seen that after the cenovus/north dakota carbon capture project was started, their water started to smell and taste like shit, vegetation would not grow on the surface and there were dead animals everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're paid 4 billion dollars of taxes a year to do honest reporting, but when cenovus's 'professional' came on to share his research that he found no direct link between the project and the death, the report smiled and nodded and really tried to sell the public opinion'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now this weyburn saskatchewan cenovus energy 'success' will be used as a basis of reasoning while they start up projects in other places'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'failure as it is, the professional opinion is it was a success, lots of land's destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since people need water and some other natural things to survive, it'll be pretty long-reaching like the coral reef and river'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think they'll mention that in politics?  the local MP's of weyburn probably wouldn't, job opportunities would be lost otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they're talking about impending 9 year drought things in south america on this history tv show, how precious the waters are things like that - brazil recently lifted sanctions on deforestation of the amazon rainforest and in several places it's being clear cut to get at the gold underneath - mostly shipped to europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rainforests produce alot of moisture - all around things might be more interlinked than they claim'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gold mines produce cyanide, they mix it with the closest water source in extraction'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that leaks back into the droughted supplies of water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have my doubts that people in control and living in europe give the least bit of a shit about people on the american side of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's where the money is, destroying america for money and sending them the gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and professionals, go to school with no money, take a loan out from a foreign bank so you can pay your government for education, watch as they give a immigrant 12,000 dollars for coming to canada as getting started on top of what they already have - then all jobs are eventually done by foreigners who came to canada to do a job that the government denied it's citizens training for because of money'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same thing with petro canada disappearing, although there's probably more weapons involved'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also the stock market which is foreign to canada valuing the competitors higher than canada's own company'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like how they say on this history tv program last night that making use of what water is in south america would cost too much money to be feasible, while the camera hovers over a city full of unemployed people who need water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money standing in the way of people working for their own water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure got themselves a wise chief'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian steel and petro canada are now both owned by american corporations'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's neat isn't it?  if you see the word canada somewhere chances are it has nothing to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't figure out how canadian steel went bankrupt, it seems alot of things are made out of steel'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the owner was just greedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro canada was invented in the 1970's to regulate the destruction of northern alberta by oil exploitation, and make canadians profit from that destruction where the predominantly american businesses wouldn't have provided'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now harper extended their ability to destroy northern alberta as one of his first decisions as prime minister, removing the sanctions on a national park - petro canada got bought by suncore (across the street from syncrude) in 2009, and petro china acquired a wide swath of land in 2011'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm curious how many employees at petro china will be immigrants with a work visa, in service of their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro china is a crown corporation of china, as petro canada was, but the lawyers on television never stated why one can exist while the other can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'funny to think that america's working with china to dissolve canada, china and the USSR vowed to work together to dismantle america around world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're already dissolved and america is china and the ussr in leadership'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does leviticus 20:6 refer to servant like spirits, or spirits that were of friends and family and now departed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good question, i wonder how it'd be put in modern english'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably the hebrew or aramaic bible or other european languages has it more dynamic or clearly stated'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well then, let's find somebody with such a book'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somewhere in those books if you cast out one demon and fall back into what gave them the liscence to attatch to you, they will come back with 7 more wicked than them'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, 6 more wicked ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the number 7's also the 7 abominations that dwelleth in their heart - ok six'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the original and his six brothers'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude glances over towards Saku Original.
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this week's doonesbury is pretty unusual... you seldom see much treatment of serious issues in comics in the anglosphere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wtf some soldier going into a village of non-militant afghani's and killing children and women, that's messed up'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'stop loss, for the win'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be greatful, it allows you guys to pull out early'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the taliban do, they kill people like iran if they don't fit into the non-emo definition passed down by their leader, sometimes there's deviances from the plan and he says he wasn't responsible'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to see the difference with things like that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i thought iran was mostly supportive of shi'i views'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the taliban arent are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'staying in afghanistan was a very silly idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, lots of propaganda about iran might be false'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts not if we want the oil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since at least 1980'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no oil in afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil well the iaea report didnt make the claims the news claims it did'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not to say the iaea scientists didnt give a speech apart from the official report they submitted'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts there is in tajikistan and uzbekistan though'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and afghanistan is a good place to pipe it through, once things settle down'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia won't hand that over'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its already not part of russia =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we have a darpa base there'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'islam karimov sure is a nice guy ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a chinese national petroleum company is the company that went into afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was about the oil then that chinese company is paying royalties to an american company'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'royalties? or just a few nice bribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see chinese government as being one to take bribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their members are like beyond the influence of the economy, and they administrate their nation to make it more powerful (them more powerful)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Did you seriously just say that Chinese officials are "above" bribery?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, that doesn't mean that the justice system is beyond corruption though, they're still not the king of kings in the country'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'indonesia also is like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they take a bribe, they already have their best interests in mind beyond what they think yours are'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion on them, they're the oldest surviving nation on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(with independent governance)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did we ever figure out the whole leviticus 20:6 part yet?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You need to spend some more time studying China. They execute hundreds of officials every year for corruption.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the top ones though'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And the "oldest" claim ended in 1949, when the CMT pushed the KMT to Formosa.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since they find corruption among their official unit, that shows that they're not blind - chances are the plans of those officials either exposed the plans of their masters unneccessarily or else were against their masters'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least a inclination towards those plans, they can be very strict in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The party leader in Shanghai was executed for it. So was the head of the Chinese nuclear agency.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both china and russia are beyond the world economy, they can produce everything they need themselves, from warfare to food'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all other nations require the assistance of one another'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The 'decoupling' myth has been debunked by much smarter people than me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But the short answer is if they didn't need other countries, China wouldn't be spending billions in Africa and loaning billions to the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'billions are a cover for what they already have, if china went in there and wiped them out and installed their own citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would be easy for them, africa is food'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america and the UN wouldn't dare to try china'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you grossly overestimate the ability of the Chinese military. One rusty aircraft carrier and a bunch of knock-off Soviet jets do not make a global force.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never underestimate anybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you underestimated me'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They have more people living in abject poverty (ie no refridgeration, ect) than the entire population of the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're thinking of canadians military there'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't kid yourself, china now has the 3rd biggest military budget in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And the US budget matches like the top 20 combined.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't be able to keep pace if they chose to escalate'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Neither would China. Look what happened to the USSR. Centeralized control doesn't work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apples and oranges, china already dominate economically'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the strongest nation on earth is one in which it's entirety is satisfied and works to reach their satisfaction'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and USA is already practically bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most nation's today don't give their members anything to defend, only gain is seen cause it's a job to join with and job opportunities, they're fucked otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except that hundreds of millions of Chinese aren't satisified. And yes, the US is in debt. But that's a big difference from being bankrupt. The debt total is just over a third of our GDP.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china's an old nation like i said'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That'd be like having a citizen having a hundred thousand dollars in annual income, and owing 36 grand. No court in the world would let you file Chapter 11 under those circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american debt to gdp was 102% in 2011'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will be much higher in 2012'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some countries higher'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greece, ireland, portugal, italy, zimbabwe, essentially failed states'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with a politician who can reason with the community members that debt wouldn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i was talking about last night about the hinderance of the peruvian government to supply a firm water ecostructure for it's citizens, it costs so much to be unfeasible - but all the while they're hoving the camera over unemployed desolate humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think burying your head in the sand is a credible defence'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'insufficient leadership is the reason for all of the world debts'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd blame greed'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's if you consider everything, including trillions that the government owes itself... like the way the post office is bankrupt because they have to fully fund their pension plans. When it comes to actual "debt" that we have to pay interest on. But I was wrong too, because it's closer to 60 percent than the 30 percent I quoted.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sorry, took me a minute to read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as expected, polls suggest that greece is radicalising - moderate parties losing voters to far-right and far-left parties.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he far-right and far-left designation is handed out by the people who monitor society, who themselves are unaffected either way though, i watched a video on greece children who were friends with the one shot who showed a world defiant to their government injustice'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the far this and far that are perception's, who their leader is and what they have in mind is what should be focused on, what driving philosophy is there and who is there who teaches otherwise if it's not 'righteous'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you want to quibble, fascist and communist parties, if you wish'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'they're two sides of the same coin'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'know how to tell if a politician is lying?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'his lips are moving.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only in the sense that they want government control for their aims'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the time that's the case, sometimes they don't lie to you because they don't have your best interest in mind though, they perceive it as a better course of action'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the aims of the far-left and far-right are different, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'I don't care why they lie, they're still liars.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reminds me of hearts of iron, where the parties are grouped based on two axes, right-left and authoritarian-democratic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nice game, that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's entirely possible to be far-right or far-left while still following democratic principles... it's just that those on the ends of that spectrum don't tend to have much respect for democracy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will be interesting, in a dark way, to see how many democracies will fall from the depression in europe...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are theories that a 'bulge' in male youths inevitably lead to war.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fall of the democracies this time is likely to be relatively bloodless...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It never is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and hence harder to reverse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it usually isn't entirely bloodless, but this time it may be a few dead protestors rather than millions of dead troops, civilians, and a side order of genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what are your predictions for this round?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm going with hungary, greece, with an even chance or so for spain, italy, estonia, latvia.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think Germany is going to end up looking the most different at the end of the crisis, if it ends without war.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'german and french democracy will likely survive largely intact, as will the uk...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? Any reason to believe so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there doesn't seem to be any dire threats facing democracy there, apart from the usual small problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Germany continues to fufill their obligations to the EU. And it's been ok so far. But if the Germans have to face austerity measures because of poor fiscal management in other countries, it is going to cause a big upheaval in their government.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not enough to riot over... Given the economic situation, if germany gets hit badly enough for something serious to happen, few EU nations will survive'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're doing the best among the major EU economies, it seems, and no one's making any moves towards a coup, like in hungary...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're getting less out of EU membership than anyone else, despite strong support from their government. They're also doing a poor job of integrating new cultures into their society. Not as bad as France or some other countries, but enough that the foundations are shifting.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... but that's not going to make them dismantle their democracy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe a change of party, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't see them pulling a hungary at least...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Hungary and Germany are very close though, economically and politically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'germany to me seems like a puppet state of the KGB, since america quoted would never let germany rise again in their war campaigns and russia had their kremlin burned down - I wish the german citizens would demand the identity, location of all the orphans of the Stasi and full disclosure of their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one's a lot richer than the other...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things would be better like that, otherwise they're as cattle'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a lot freer too'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the Stasi were very evil people, as bad as the Nazi's who preceded them, the KGB and the CIA had a hand in their forms'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly now over 30,000 Stasi members are members of German government - and that doesn't disclose how many went to other places like the UN and world bank's'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sonshi, I think you're right about Hungary. I took a minute to read up on Orban and his new constitution. That guy is saying some familiar sounding stuff.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it just me, or does the catholic encyclopedia assert that the virgin mary is a mother who is younger than her son?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tsk, its st patricks day and nobody else even bothered viewing the catholic encyclopedia page on st patrick where it claims that 'god father is not older than the son . god the son is not younger than the father' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. i guess ill go quest then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, folks, anybody up for a debate about israel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yay israel! Always a volatile subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi do you believe that israel can both persue stability in the region, and also adhere to a religious mandate to perserve the religious (if not ethnic) purity of the jewish people? or must one goal become subordinate to the other?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one must become subordinate to the other.  Keep in mind that the arabs are generally doing the same thing as the israelis are, so if stability cannot be had then elimination (conversion is unlikely) is all that is left.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what constitutes "religious purity" there is debatable...'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about religion isn't debateable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi no, it really isn't debateable... any more than it would be debateable in iran what constitutes religious purity there'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the world suffers from an endemic of TMI...http://news.yahoo.com/gps-tracking-disaster-japanese-tourists-drive-straight-pacific-172043575--abc-news.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, germany sure was in a healthy state of mind to be doing business with since world war 2.. Mr Gauck was elected by an overwhelming majority at the Bundestag on Sunday, easily defeating his main rival - former Nazi hunter and journalist Beate Klarsfeld. She won 126 votes. - you can learn alot by who their main rivals are, whether or not that's any indicator of health on either side'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at leasta he's a priest'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is obtuse this sunday -- explain the significance of the "rivals"
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're descendents of the people who erected the berlin wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr Gauck is reminiscent of a Mr Gluck '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not mister glock though, that's too acute'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think their names mean much, otherwise the president he's replacing would raise more eyebrows'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently julian assange person's trying to get into politics now that he's shown how inefficient everybody elses is or something, probably be the next movie star'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say he was always involved in politics...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil, seems odd to hint that Beate Klarsfeld the Nazihunter journalist was a descendent of the communist Berlin Wall builders'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all, research what's known about the Stasi and how they occupy over 15,000 seats of authority in germany after it's dissolution in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you are maintaining the some jewish nazihunters were communist descendents of oppressive berlin-wall builders (but were they overseers or the slave labour that built that berlin wall)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Stasi chief Markus Wolf described how he set up the Cuban system on the pattern of the East German system. -- so name's aren't important like i said, but this one's stikingly similar to the president that just got replaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to smeer jews and germans, names are important'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they smear themselves with the words on screen from encyclopedia and history reports, and having an opinion on those reports is your version of smear, drawing conclusions is against the law of superior race jews and italians and other breeds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you boil it all down to racism, that's funny of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'basically you attecked the jews by labelling a "nazihunter journalist" as a descendant of those that built the oppressive Berlin wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh really, somebody elses label is my label - that's nice, you'd call that perjury in other places'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you like to turn on history channel some time and watch an episode of nazi hunters'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to have free reign across the world hunting down the nazi, as though many actually survived world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is too cheap to pay for a history channel propaganda outlet
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like these military forces of columbia that are employed by the oil company to protect their interests having the governments support against the enemy who fights them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not even the governments military, they state that plainly in the article'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart criticised the History channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17419412'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The soldiers killed on Saturday belonged to a company in charge of protecting oil installations and roads used by petrol tankers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those oil company's are pretty evil when they have nobody to answer to you know, tough to choose sides in an opinion on a matter like this'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a army to protect a oil company, not people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supported by their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to cast aspersions (against jews), be sure to state the accurate facts and not slander and libel, especially if you are in Canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deport me all you want, racist jews own about everything in toronto'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's that one jew lives on wall street had autographs of gadaffi and a bunch of others'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lives in a humble abode, just got autographs from all the people who make the news'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did you hear the news about the attitudes of males in Alberta -- a lot of males there support abuse against females'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, i'm not like them though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not like just about anybody, only thing we have in common is a body that's temporary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '14% of Alberta males believe that "No" means "yes"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '40% of Alberta males believe that sexy-dressed females are asking to be raped'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '90% of albertan's aren't even a generation into being albertan's, plenty from somalia and other area's of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '10% of Alberta males like to abuse and physically beat females'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15642297 see that's strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'claims to be a simple man but is a jew for one, that seems to give him the ability to attain souveniers from people who don't provide them for anybody else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though Alberta males are mysogynist sexperverts (by association and tacit support)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'racism's the core belief system of the world, jews, italians, arabs and chinamen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all others are second class citizens in western nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a percentage of Alberta males believe in beating up females that have sex with other men'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go find a bank not owned or paying one of those races for it's existance'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe , just maybe, russia has one'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i don't think there's any others'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they're mostly ruled by members of one or another of those races too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from what i could see'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are perverted everywhere, from trying to become a doctor in corporate law school to trying to sell shoes at the local pervert's son's shoestore'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no place where you're not exploited on some level, unless everybody's too scared to pull a fast one on you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society is ran by counterproductive pigs who are a blemish on the face of evolution theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wouldn't be able to exist in a natural world as they do, the absence of nature is the main concern of world industry and this is no mistake'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'says there that they infiltrated all levels of university and government and law, any industry that's profitable to their organization, which was based around the crimes of the nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people schooled in germany at some point in time are valuable members of your society?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can dig in wherever they please, like the KGB doesn't exist but two of it's ex-members are heads of a rogue and a legitimate state'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzi, seems that the labeling of society leaders as "counterproductive pigs" is "counterproductive", unless you are praising reminding and encouraging the society leaders, like a loyal sycophant quisling seeking favor - (1984 speak: "counterproductive pigs are pro-productive when society leaders)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making an observation isn't making a label, either they fit into it or they don't, that's a matter of personal judgement'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the 1984 ministry of Druzil)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they know what they are, as it's written in the bible 'the servant shall be known by his work' what kind of person are they, do they produce good fruits?  cast out the unprofitable servant'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible's a rebel handbook if you want it to be, but that's just some verses that make my observation legitimate in it's context, as a priest becoming a president would discourse'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "observations" from the (1984) ministry of Druzil seem to be encouraging and praising the "corruptions" (so lovingly) described'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the definition of profit and it's similarity to prophet are also matters of personal judgement, although groups with labels hold firm beliefs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whether or not i praise something's also a matter of faith, it's tough to detect what's actually there beyond what you want to see there, i agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes i say things how i see them, i discuss the mindsets that i see as flawed and provide alternatives, without the mind the body doesn't usually follow, so it's important to understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'common assumptions they sell to people to believe and why those are probably not correct, whole bunch of things, acne cream and liver disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they bother to independently test things before they allow the company to advertise on mass media now?  course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing's proven, there's one of those servants and the minds i discuss'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil, your allusions to the bible as a "rebel handbook" seems a "so cool" --> "get hip with the bible as a rebel and be cool" -- is the cool rebel bible where the Alberta males get their misogynist attitudes --> "females were created by god to serve as sex-slaves to the sexual desires of males"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see sometimes they do good things, and sometimes they might have good intentions but have people like the chinese government or others threatening to kill them and their family in an accident if they don't do things correctly, so they stay within their boundaries and regretfully do against their original intentions and society thinks the roots aren't deeper than the obvious'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then again that whole assumption process could be forged in some instances, lawyers are great excuse makers'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm open minded'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(sewage in, sewage out)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care much about the battle of the sexes, i'm not much of a relationship person myself, haven't had a friend in over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it pisses me off, every time i seen a woman being abused in my immediate vicinity i did intervene if i detected she was innocent, so i'm not too guilty of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sewage treatment processing plant -->  sewage in, clean water out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't hang around people much though, it just bothers me to see people who should have learned the consequences of being a bully at a younger age repeating that same adolescent mindset with adult consequences and getting away with it, the principle is infuriating'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't do things like that cause i have a conscience that's with me everywhere i go, what's your excuse?  successful person like yourself thinking he's better than me, you must have some kind of satanic shield against your own ignornace'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where other kids would hit eachother, i realized that i can't hit them all cause that wouldn't be enough and stuck to hitting brick walls instead, nobody gets hurt but myself and the consequences are mostly neurotic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never did find the source of my anger, but it's there, like cadmium in paint or fish hormones in french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'In the area Elemental Chaos, to get to the wind area you must stand in the proper place and jump.  The description tells you that the only way to avoid the flaming trees is to jump, so perhaps you would want to jump.  However, typing jump ordinarily does a custom social, and there is no clue in the MUD that jump is anything but a custom social command, since you won't perform a jumping action ordinarily.  How are you supposed to infer, with no outside help, that typing the word jump is a valid solution for getting to that part of the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'read the room desc like you say it says to jump?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I know that because I cheated first.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'start with KISS then work your way up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'is that how every area in the game is designed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'by that methodology?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean by reading room descs to get the clues?  No.  Some use mobsays, some use specific actions, and some don't really put their clues anywhere near the puzzle beyond "somewhere in the area"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a good example of that last would be the word of Neptune in Atlantis.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Of course not, many room descriptions will have things that are just as apparently clues but are meaningless.  If I go to another area, and it suggests the same thing, it could be just flavor text.  Or it could want you to actually 'jump over tree'.  Or it could be 'jump over flaming tree'.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'How do you know which schema is being used in the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'people think this shit can be figured out, I want to know how you figured it then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'start with KISS and work your way up.  Jeez, you really don't pay attention, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Some of it really is just guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'most ALL of it is just guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but not blind guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'with no direction implied or one that you can infer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the exits command is covered in the academy, by the way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, not blind guessing.  I can actually read room descriptions, listen to mobs, and figure out what to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no custom exit for that room that I used as an example'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and so you can pretty much figure out where to try your guesses fairly easily, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Obvious exits from [ Inside a Chaotic Valley ]: (truncated) Jump           : Caught in the Wind  '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no way other than to know to type jump and only jump, and that the area designer put that in as a clue, not as random flavor text, and that the word that he used was what you were supposed to type.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'really?  there is no other on the map...let me check that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'fuck, you got me there fellas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that was a bad example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I guess that means that every single thing that I think about the AQs is crap, or might as well be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'anyway, you can get prostitutes in Masquerade Ball.  The clues are all there, so figure it out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in most of the goals I've done, the clues were adequate. Can't comment on the ones I can't do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'without using the cheat that was graffitied there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'many of the newer areas are quite decent, actually'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some were kind of syntax-guess-y though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'syntax-guess-y is what I am trying to say and everyone is pretending like they never thought it was unfair'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'It is the nature of these types of games. Ever since was back with Zork and the like.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Yes, but Zork has something called an implied context.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not, because most people see "syntax-guess-y" and just randomly turn off their brains.  The clues are always there.  It is a longtime rule of building.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, there could be a few improvements to some of them, yes, but most of those I've figured out weren't that bad. It's just that the ones that are, seem so aggravating that it feels like they're the majority.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is only so much that is acceptable in Zork to do, so you know what will or won't work, what is and isn't an action, what the game will or won't listen to, and how it determines it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not unfair. again, there's no place that you are guessing with no info. if there were nothing for you to figure out, it wouldn't be a puzzle, and people who want puzzles would be bored'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and zork becomes solved within hours...aard has players here who have been playing consistently for decades straight'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely anyone could 'solve' zork within hours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this time I had to talk to some villager about a change in diet. Tried everything I could think of. When I finally guessed it it turned out to be a single, really obvious synonym that most people in their right mind would've tried first. sigh.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I had problems with the hurdy-gurdy guy in BZ for a while...could choose to kill either him or the dust bunnies :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is zork like that zonk game with the megaman like robot flying dude?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'early text adventure'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'so how did you figure it out finally abe?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'actually, what I am curious about is how you would know to beckon the prisoners in ST/Ships, when no mob in the game follows you when you beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't remember, was hella long time ago...I just remember that I could shock the bunnies with static electricity, but that destroyed something else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know, right then and there that that is what they want?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually there's about a dozen goals which use beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no kidding'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it think it is mentioned in the mob desc too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least for some of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but 99.8% of mobs that you try it on would give you no clue whatsoever that you could ever even beckon them to do anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'context, Mushin.  When you finally reach the point that someone needs to follow you, what's the typical first thought?  The follow or group command, right?  Because that's what we players use to do the same with each other.  That usually doesn't work for mobs, though, in much the same way we tell mobs things via the say command rather than the tell command.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"social follow" is a pretty narrow list as well...and much more narrower is those within that list which would make sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '99% of the MOBs in the game won't follow you no matter what you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, only the mobs which you can do it on would give that clue, typically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's what you do with players, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but no regular mobs ever give a clue that they even respond to a beckon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course not...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no regular mob says, "I don't want to follow you.", so you don't know if it even worked or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor should they'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you use beckon, do you truly want us to believe that you don't know what it's attempting to do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you get the same response from a player or a mob if you type beckon...nothing, unless they decide to follow you, and you know that a person can see and understand the command'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, I think there's one that does.  I can't remember where, though, and I can't remember if it was a recent thing or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude drops everything and trots drooling after - Mushin.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz if you're saying you don't see it as a way to get someone to follow, your entire argument is invalid cuz you don't have the mental capacity for any of this'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, I want you to understand that the game doesn't tell you anywhere else that a mob *might ever* follow you if you beckon it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Zork that required "american baseball knowledge" to solve a puzzle was not "fair" to those that were not sports jocks/nerds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that it could ever be a viable solution to anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the game does, as was mentioned'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you have to understand that the person who built the area expected it to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade with the internet its not hard to acquire such knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you not finding/seeing something is *NOT* the same as the game not providing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Um, Zork preceeded the internet by a bit '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was no internet in 1985'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if I beckon a mob, what does it say?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'You beckon for (mob) to follow -- sure hope they do!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'same thing it says if I beckon a player.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if I go beckoning most mobs, they will do nothing, same thing as when you do a social that is meaningless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and by that, you're telling me that you have no clue that it's something that could possibly be used to get someone to follow...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'help socials'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no differentiation between that social and any of the other thousands of meaningless socials in the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'If there were truly no hints, no one would have ever solved the goal. That would be a clue for the area builder to add some.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because nothing else follows you in the game'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that pretty much shows that you don't have the capacity to reason'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when you beckon it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think his argument is a bit more basic than that, Abe.  He's not yet even reached the possibility phase.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, the game does not set itself up as the sort of game that works like that, unless you are in an area where someone has made it so'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you saying that there are not enough clues in sea witch to let you know that you're supposed to lead the prisoners?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'nothing normally follows you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the prisoners at least give a verbal clue that they want you to lead them out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I get that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self now follows you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good, so you get that your argument is invalid...now we're getting somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, beckon doesn't work on anything normally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'why would you think it would work there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because you know how the designer thinks, so you know that they expect beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'another area, you might well say "follow me", and then they will follow you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) beckon is used to follow...(2) most MOBs don't ever follow...(3) you agree that prisoners let you know they want you to have them follow...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why are you even in a position to get a mob to follow you?  That, too, isn't really normal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's some pretty followable logic here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'beckon is used for PLAYERS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not MOBS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sez who?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'says who?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'socials may be used on anyone, player or MOB'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'says the way the rest of this game operates except in a few areas'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'clearly that isn't true, since you just said beckon is used in that area'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but they do nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true, mushin'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'socials can target mobs, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I know, and they do nothing mostly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda slap bitchy
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they "do" the same thing to players as they do to MOBs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'same with saying random things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when some game-buyers realised that infocom was not playing fair, they ceased purchasing Infocom games until the independent Infocom walkthrough books were on the book market  -- and even then when they did buy the games, they were from in the discount bin and/or in anthology packs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a mob is a program with an unknown capacity for action and listening'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a player is a human being'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall any such issues, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it isn't the same socialing mobs and players'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there weren't any...it's zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you are talking to code in one and a person in the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You beckon for a questor to follow -- sure hope they do!
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda beckons a bitchy-looking Michelle Rodriguez to follow...hmmm what's going on?
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if the mobs in this game responded normally with anything at all when you beckoned them, then it might be a clue that that could work in a circumstance where it was suggested'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You beckon for Sonshi to follow -- sure hope they do!
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it does that for players or mobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a player not listening gets you the same thing as a mob with no trigger in it's code'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's the difference between the game's interpretation for my beckon to sonshi or questor?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it is exactly the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you get the same response'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, so the game treats them identically, thank you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'sonshi might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a MOB might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know that they might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know that that is in the valid range of what mobs want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Because you try it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'in the solution set'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've already agreed that the game made it clear to you that the prisoners were supposed to follow you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but it's how to get them to follow that isn't clear'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it is an entirely, fully, logical thing to try'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when sometimes it is a word and sometimes not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, if it told you exactly what to do, it wouldn't be a puzzle...it's *FUCKING SUPPOSED TO BE* a puzzle to solve'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's knowing the answer and not knowing how it is wanted to be worded'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'figuring out the answer is a puzzle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'figuring out the context to phrase your answer in is annoying'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'The state of AI dictates that there will be some effort on the part of the player to figure out the syntax needed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you get to declare exactly what bits are allowed to be puzzles? how nice of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, more like what mobs will listen to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when they want you to say something'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when they want an action'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Is the word 'beckon' _ever_ referenced in the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given how synonyms work, does it have to be directly referenced?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'It doesn't, but if it is, his argument becomes ever weaker'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'I would concede that 'beckon' probably isn't the first synonym to come to mind for follow'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in order to play Infocom games, the first step after purchasing was to remove the copy-protection and play the game from a high-quality floppy (or a harddrive) (those original Infocom floppies were dirty - ruined the floppy drive heads). Also, later, an independent kludge program was used to Infocom games -- so that both arrow-keys and backspace were usable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'beckon isn't a synonym for to follow...beckon is the request that they follow'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were not copy-protected, zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'which no one acknowledges'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most information on how to solve area quests and goals seems to come from players who already know, there's quite a few area quests that are possibly too cryptic to be solved individually'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'NO THERE AREN'T'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wouldn't type a synonym for follow, cuz you're not the one following'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'just kidding, a few are completely out of hand'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even I figured out that beckon was the way to get a mob to follow you, and I'm not a native speaker...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was some form of copy-protection there, since i used to remove that protection'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never had to, and i copied them for all my friends'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you probably slid the write-protect slider on the floppy :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'giving a mob an item isn't unfair I wouldn't say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'The brig is filled with human prisoners. You can recognize most of them from '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'your interesting walk through the Tempest. There is no doubt what their fate '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'son of a...never mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no there's no beckon there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and they said let them follow me, they already can, there's no need for a command for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychological oppression, genetic psychology, people who done nothing wrong being blamed generation after generation and becoming the enemy they were called before birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2JhdswkO6o&feature=related Introduction to Psychological Warfare '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but abe lincoln said that opression was wrong!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'while also subjugating the southern states.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much has changed since then, just the perception of what's coming is missing again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mortify a philosophy they employ forever and blame it on germany'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, germanys do make good villains. way scarier than russians'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't work like that, black people, asian people, indians, white people all use the same techniques'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? you mean indians arent all like gandhi  ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, if somebody's written about in history i don't automatically think of them as a hero, when the society of hero's is subjected to demoralizing enslavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh cmon, at least we're not like the corsicans and sardinians giving out lethal drugs to the elderly so that we dont have to feed them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'except in oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and under obamacare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aristotle supposedly thought slavery was a neccessary part of human society, he's about the number 2 philosopher taught in university'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'shrug, monism is cooler ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Romneycare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade but romneycare doesnt kill people, it sends them back to heavenly father'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lethal drugs are fed to people every day, viagra, cialis etc, all of those drugs have some side effect that is deadly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even the paint on childrens toys in macdonalds had cadmium added, which decreases bone density and messes with the bone marrow, causing leukemia'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but isnt it healthier for bone than fluoride?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also - chlorine isn't added as neccessary, water sources aren't protected and preserved requiring that treatment is everywhere - chlorine causes chloroform when coming into contact with some bacteria - that's a anaesthetic that makes your head sleepy and could possibly assist in the development of mental diseases and alzheimers, epilepsy, etc, regulation of body functions from an internal clock'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a tvshow recently warned viwers that Romney is supported by the mormons and the mormon deathsquads'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chlorine was also used in world war 1 to gas soldiers on both sides - they died within 3 days of asphyxiation'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'drowned in their own lung fluids'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that sounds fun, teach me to make chloroform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asthma and that cystic fibrosis might be assisted by chlorine, people inhale the vapor from swimming pools and boiling water for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of those things are un-neccessary on their levels, if knowledgeable water treatment was taught to whoever wants to know about it, then they would know when something like that is neccessary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also, big industry would be avoided in area's where people require water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'untreated water is also able to be dangerous to health'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're led by real people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it can be, not all water was always bad though, that's a more recent development'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'usually it was isolated to area's where sewage mixes with the water in large quantities, like cities'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wait, you mean if i boil water i might get chlorine in the air?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wouldnt that problem be solved if i just used a gold man to which the chlorine would bind?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pan*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil sewage isnt so bad unless it contains needles you can treat it quickly with sunlight and heat'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to neutralize chlorine in water, add a drop of clear ammonia'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'buuuut ammonia and chlorine make mustard like gas'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade that wont work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's better to bubble it through lye isnt it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder what chlorine in water does to urine in swimming pool water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's probably some kind of chemical reaction'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the newspapers watch for signs of the intelligently designed chlorine dependency - like rural municipalities being force fed city water because a large hog operation had leaked pig shit into their water table'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where they could have placed those animals in smaller hog farms more dispersed to avoid one approach to the problem - but that's contrary to greedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or away from water sources that they intelligently destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but pig shit is good for the grass'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil actually, a lot of pigs are fed hormones now too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to clear a severe chlorine gas spill from a house within hours (instead of days even with the windows open), release ammonia into the air and leave the house to vent a few hours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its kind of neat, the pig shit has a lot of extra sulphur, which means that its not really as much of an issue for the water table once bacteria have a chance to break it down'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, how buoyant is chlorine gas?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling no, pig shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And under what circumstances would there be a 'severe chlorine spill' in a common household?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, meth lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The ONLY time you would have chlorine gas in your house would be if you mixed a strong acid with hypochlorite.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In that case, just ventilate the room.  Done.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'actually you're wrong =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you could be mixing table salt with oxalic acid, and get chlorine gas that way too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm surrounded by nothing but fertile land and empty space, cows graze ehre and there - but the butcher claims beef is hard to come by these days - who's this man who moves into my area buys out all the farmers and makes beef that fed on it inaccessible to the locals?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please explain to me where the average person would get oxalic acid, other than a chemical supply house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or you could be using salt water as a cooling bed for your meth lab, have a spill, and then it will also release chlorine gas  even as a dissolved salt and no ta hypochlorite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to cure mild chlorine inhalation, after venting the lungs, perhaps breath air with some ammonia -- at least you won't die slowly in a few days .. maybe sooner or not at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's more than one so it's hard to say, but it's a little strange to be real'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, its sold at target, lowes, walmart, home depot, and leather and silversmith stores'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason why a pig farm has to be adjacent to a community - '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''barkeepers friend' is a popular brand name'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had a flask of chlorine and chlorine dioxide blow its stopper off in the middle of the night in my bedroom, all I had to do was put a fan in the window and open the window in the bathroom, let it run for half an hour, bingo, fumes all gone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back in the old days and still in some places people still keep a few pigs each in their community, they're called primitive cultures in today's happy meal though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling not everyone has the same humidity as you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling why was there a flask of chlorine dioxide in your bedroom and not the kitchen where it belongs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You, sir, are retarded.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chlorine lingers and adsorbs into organic materials, then the organic materials slowly release the chlorine back into the air for days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade yep.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'although it also binds to gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I was in high school and was young and stupid, and decided to mix bleach an HCl.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling ah cool =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'any ideas on how to filter hcl to a higher purity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it doesn't, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You chemistry ignoramuses need not comment on anything relating to chemicals, you know jack shit, please STFU kthx.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you're the one that thought oxalic acid was not sold over the counter for 6 bucks for a 28 oz canister at target'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so which one of us is ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eat shit and die?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you all are'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pig shit or bull shit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Both'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its frightful to think that a pyro could just go to target and then grab some scrap silver plated materials and make silver oxalate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ammonia and chlorine produce a more reactive "chlorine dioxide", which though deadly in high concentrations (or longterm slight exposure), does not linger'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The point is, chlorine fumes are no big deal provided you have adequate ventilation, i.e. a fume hood, or are otherwise cautious to avoid and limit your exposure thereto.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade what about pig urine though? thats not ammonia its large nitrate compounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling true, provided you have adequate ventillation , and are not in your home meth lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The flask popped its stopper, I got gassed in the face, I opened the window, set up my fan, opened the other window, bam, fumes gone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling 'fumes gone' and ' chemical gone' not the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vampiredude, you are a recognized troll and general idiot, why am I even wasting my time on your sorry ass?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you interrupted our discussion about water purification and pig shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you dont intend to contribute, why not go bother someone else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chlorine fumes in a house or downwind are poisonous because chlorine lingers - venting won't work fast enough in a house -- and exposure to lingering chlorine for several hours shall cause severe headaches and fever (allergic reaction)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody gives a shit, STFU kthx.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade it also irritates the mucuous membranes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, anyways, getting back to the pig shit...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it happen from mixing industrial strength cleaning products'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Chlorine does not linger, it is a gas an obeys the same rules that any gas, including air, obeys'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It will not last long in the atmosphere, it is too reactive'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it stinks for days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i've seen it happen from mixing chlorox and diet coke'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and venting chlorine to downwind neighbours is nasty'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade the county here considers it a fine-able noxious fume'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tigernuts, if you are referring to bleach, that is because hypochlorite decomposes to yield chlorine gas over a long time period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it also decomposes quickly in the presence of UV light'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i.e. sunlight'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just... shut up.  You are an idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, 'help ignore' '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''help blood pressure ''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a part that bothers me about it is mothers bleed that stuff and inhale it and that gets mixed into their blood which gets fed to their babies in one way or another, and foetus's are pretty sensitive to their environment while developing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: ''help load_up_a_.45_and_put_the_gun_in_your_mouth_and_pull_the_trigger''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen a serious scientific study on birth defects/lifelong ailments and things man did to the environment of the citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil so then why not just dump our trash in some third world country instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like ohio'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you gonna buy me the ammo?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If it means you shooting yourself through the mouth, then yes, I would gladly finance that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or are you just another chick that expects a man to be there and buy whatever you want.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a funny saying, actually cbc news posted a link of 140 million tonnes of garbage washing ashore on b.c's coastline from the japanese hurricane last year - and lately they seem to allude that's one of japan's ways of disposing of their waste'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure about places like japan and china, they seem to import most of the minerals of the world and stockpile them, mostly not from their own land'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, nothing like a bath to get one clean'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who gets the trash?  the people they bought it from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever a canadian company is said to do, remember that canadian steel and petro canada are only canadian in name, one's owned by an american, the other by suncore energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil ok you've convinced me to not drink the bottled water from japan... but what's a sound alternative? making my own? '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Starling, after a severe chlorine gas attack in a house, the smell of chlorine lingers for at least 12 hours or longer with the windows open'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade not if olfactory fatigue occurs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder if maybe starling suffered brain damage from that, and it affected a previously sunny cheerful personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like with those jewish survivors of gas chambers that had disabling health problems afterwards'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude hugs Starling.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the severe headaches and fever symptoms are an "indirect olefactory clue" to those attempting to sleep in a supposedly vented house'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media doesn't even mention things like acne cream resulting in liver disease in the 1950's and 60's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil why would they. advertizers pay for news'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they sell at least 30 new beauty / cosmetic products in a year, experimental, even the government doesn't confirm how it works or verify it's safety'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or that's just their excuse when one's revealed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, supposed to be a free media isn't it, freedom of speech and all that, privatization of that right doesn't make much sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's good to have a nation full of people who are aware of their own functioning and critical over their own and their superior's actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a million sets of eyes is more accurate than 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ammonia clears lingering chlorine fast, and the residual fast dissipating chlorine dioxide is far less dangerous than lingering chlorine -- the colors of the curtains and other organic materials in the house may fade slightly '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why's there a shortage of psychiatrists?  is the school just that hard, most of them come from the middle east and asia?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i fail to see how a canadian can't comprehend brain chemistry and psychological theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was a canadian born who pioneered modern brain chemistry'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You also fail to see facts.  Like how there are thousands of canadian psychiatrists.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dual citizens, immigrants mostly - i seen alot of doctors and very few are canadian'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i've never met a canadian psychiatrist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots come from america though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian see, but a foreign government paid for you being there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the last shrink i met had the same name as that quran guy and i think he was an immigrant based on his accent and difficulty forming pallatives'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I've never met an american psychiatrist, an asian one, a european one, or a latino one.  doesn't mean they don't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't come from a place like china to operate on peoples brains without working for their government, comparing the success rate and amount of fortune relative to the status quo'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'obviously canadians aren't less intelligent than other people, but according to the jokes Americans like to crack about them, they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i've never met a communist psychiatrist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not all assholes, but the principle that canadians can't be their own professional's and doctors and stuff bugs me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn. in communist russia, psychiatrist analyzes you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's the accent, is what it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is some possibly, but i think mostly being a doctor of any sort is working for a group that is separate from the community'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil in a consumer driven economy, too many suppliers is a bad thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they wouldn't hide knowledge and the ability to succeed behind so much money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'people from the south are the same mix of intelligence as anywhere else in the US but they are thought of as dumb because of how their accent sounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nations build themselves from the inside out, otherwise they wouldn't have existed in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin and because of the way the chicks wont keep their legs closed when clothed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in small quantities, chlorine is more damaging than chlorine dioxide -- in large quantities, both are deadly: chlorine kills agonisingly slow, chlorine dioxide kills far faster.  where possible, recovery from chlorine is slow due to lingering residuals, recovery from chlorine dioxide is fast (due to the absence of residuals)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't import people from outside to do other but communicate and teach, and provide a place within themselves to live along the standards of those already there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'are you going to complain about that one vd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mostly in the media now and the government they change standards, and those changes cater to segregation of the freedom's of the whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil isnt it good for canada though that rather than finance the training of intellectuals and doctors they can force nations like china or india to finance the cost, and then reap the benefit themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it is very expensive to train a doctor, why not just hire a doctor that's trained someplace else... no need to invest in local students'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use war on terror in afghanistaniraqiran places to justify imprisonment without trial of anybody in america and canada, indefinitely'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'financially, but bad for the spirit of the country is what it sounds like'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'spirit of the country? seriously? what's next... caring if trees get chopped down?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how distracted the war they keep going made them huh, focus on world vision and ignore yourself turning into them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'morale, you know...it's the difference between Japan in the 80s and Japan now'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the country wanted to kick ass at working, and then they didn't...what changes that sort of thing?  it's subtle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which japan had more morale?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did they lower the taxes on privately owned televisions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, still $200 a year for a tv'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil if the polar ice caps melt, imagine how valuable canada's land will be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't believe people who try to minimilize the reality of the affect of holding a flame against a block of ice, or coating it in oil - or the proof of their attempts at every disaster to cover up it's existance in the first place without cleaning it up until they have to because it wouldn't be cost effective otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cleaning up disasters means job creation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now in the far north where they're going now, setting up shop, they got their land deeds and their coca cola polar bear farm photo shoots ready - nobody at all will monitor them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the military satellites (which are being replaced with corporate satellites) nobody'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like if the fraggles didnt wreck the buildings, the doozers would be unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no eskimo's or nothing, media is being centralized and controlled, and the mail is going extinct'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone cares about global warming'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the thing about global warming is that the Earth, devoid of human intervention, has massive timescale climate change cycles that operate on a similar timescale to the length of time that we've been civilized, so there is that as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'phone lines can be dropped with ease in a remote place like those'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but whether or not that has much to do with it, it's stupid to treat the Earth like crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn want a land deed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Land deeds are stupid, and only drive up tp prices.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is nothing you can do to save the planet, so save your breath and enjoy yourl ife'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the earth that nobody here has seen, only anthropologists and geologists'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, how many tp you want for your deed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'philosophers of a past not witnessed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well, you might as well chuck most of our science if you object on those grounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't dig up oil rigs from the ruins of niniveh, they do find residue on vat's they believe were used to pour hot oil on people though - that was freestanding oil in tar pits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin do you think that god made the earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if so, is it right to claim ownership of it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it held in trust for god, the way the amish do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I'd side with held in trust'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff accumulates to disasters that didn't have to happen, and what if doesn't exist in their science, they're correct all the time except when they ignore the doubt that i pointed out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not even a theological point, more like the best way to think of this planet emotionally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how you approach what to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil tar burns well too, hmmn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because mine is a question that they can verify or conclude false - theirs is a belief system that provide's the problem that wasn't all neccessaryd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not don't use it, but use it with respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of alternatives and mixtures of energy and resources, including human resources, that could have avoided most of the problem's in the current world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then only a asteroid strike or other unavoidable thing (either way) would cause the destruction seen on a daily basis here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well whether or not we are leaving or entering an ice age now, and if that has to do with global warming much is debatable, but that the Earth changes on a large timescale, I would believe'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but still it's pointless to let that govern you, when you just treat the planet like you care about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sort of hate people who talk about heaven and paradise and work for this world turning it into the opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just doing their job but they coulda been like me and stood back instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're like somebody saying sorry when they have a knife half way into their best friends back, pushing harder and harder, slicking and twisting'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the while they do that and they think they're making the problem better'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in their own schizophrenic little world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'more like, pretending like they don't know what they are doing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until curbed are the desires of humans to overpopulate until the ecology fails, the "planet and world problems" are not "avoidable" -- the human race is a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'schizophrenic little world is a good way to put it I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you two can help the world by not breeding'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'we're not a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's possible, but if they're just pretending what kind of beliefs do they have?  some deity, vengeance on some long dead enemy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'we're just not grown up yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religious overbreeders are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the ways that pain, fear, and ignorance work in people is always strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any overbreeders are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you might as well say that teenagers are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teenagers -are- a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that I would say is an effective distillation of the ridiculousness of the sentiment that humankind is a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that sentiment is not ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people seem highly stupid to me, although smarter than me when it comes to interacting with one another and getting through the world in society - they just seem overpopulated with vanity with their minds in the clouds while their bodies serve in hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'good thing we all thought otherwise about you, so that you could have some time to get seasoned, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'or maybe I should go back in time and shoot you in the head to save us from the disease?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's amazing that some men are able to continue going on as they are after some of the things i seen done, some of it's too much injustice to tolerate to me - at least showing some anger - alot of mental illness today might be caused by repressed feelings and absence of justice in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if you're a teenager now maybe you'll offer yourself up for euthanasia?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the phrase "highly stupid" seems like high praise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'here's a fact:  anything that you can't tolerate will control you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people if they see something horrible they do anything to escape the memory, otherwise it can take them to a very dark place - but not acknowledging reality is the medication fed by some religions and media, even psychiatrists in multi-hundred million dollar institutions teaching reforming criminals how to think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this applies to every single human being that ever lived, or will live'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil does not yet seem to comprehend (at a deep level) what "justice" is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see a difference between justice and law, the court finds the rapist with 500 billion dollars not guilty, they didn't even find him in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"justice" is (also) a form of "evil"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil does not yet seem to comprehend (at a deep level) what "the law" is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'depends if you think the god of the bible is a man-made kingdom and it's kings will, or like samuel the prophet pointed out he hated himself for having the status in israel that his children became their king, which were wicked men'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws are mostly unneccessary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the law" is (also) a form of "evil"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if a prophet's saying he hates himself for the king who writes the law existing, then god must be something older than them and theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'laws exist for safety, and social order.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws exist for the elite to continue to dominate everyone else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's called ' social order''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'better than having no recourse at all against gross mistreatment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the bible in several places god exists to rally the people into the purposes of the king, even calling cities he is besieging sinners that are resisting the will of god, the priests go along with him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's the holy king that samuel hates'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not social order'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but not the only or best way that goodness can exist on this planet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's what its called.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's misdefined'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe it's just function creep'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"blessed are those that hunger for justice, they shall have their fill" -- aka "depart from me ye cursed into everlasting torments"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe god to be much of a homopsychological mocker of reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really need to return law to being those that protect a person and his/her property from the actions of OTHERS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i'm going to have a concept of creator he's going to be as true as can be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'here's the thing about God'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts that's simple, in america landowners can put up fences and use guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'reality is inescapably made of mind and 'objective reality''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bibles are works of fiction to fool the populace into serving the upper class'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and because of that, there is God'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rest of us can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in nevada, if you have the right cash, you dont even pay property taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the bible does confuse you, in the bible is stated 'god is not the author of confusion''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, if thats true, then why was the main commie sympathizer a priest, in the jack london book' the iron heel''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the bible doesnt confuse me, much like a robert jordan novel it has people performing miraculously powered feats that modern day men dont perform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Jesus said  "what is truth"  and gave no answer to that rhetorical query (except silence)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i pointed out that the word god isn't always directed towards the almighty creator concept though, the twisted mind of a king is the negatives you have in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless debating god'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the priests and king working together deifying the king and his will like the government on earth etc, media priests maybe one of their tools'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the God thing is actually quite simple, once you come face to face with Him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they done this exact same thing since ancient egypt from what i could gather, they used to sacrifice human beings to dead pharoahs become gods after having them memorize a message'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin yep! but in the charleton heston film the ten commandments ( not his best film ) he said that its given only once to man to die'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bury virgins alive in their crypts so they can have some fresh servants in hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'implying that men only see god after death'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and how does a religious parroting fool know that what the bible says is true: "the bible says that the bible is true"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they done that all before, today's different only in incarnations of those end results - alot remains the same in the overall methodology'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well....that is...true and not true, in a way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you can die without your body dying, but when your body dies you'll see him also'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade there are a few parrots like that here, i asked them what about this passage here: and then they said oh the answer is here, and then they looked through the entire book of john and didnt find the passage they were quoting (because they made it up)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i stopped chatting with them :('
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they were still super polite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bible was written before thrush cream'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was written later, there'd be far fewer burning bushes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'bible was written back when men could perform miracles'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the structure of reality was different back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'now, what we can do and imagine, what we know of reality is way different'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'imagine living in a time where power was being good with a sharp object'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you think you would see things if you were literally born then?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'trippy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin it's called high school'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yeah but think of how high school was when you were in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can imagine till the cows come home, sometimes you gain valuable insight from comparing imagination to reality and dissecting your thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'of course it's juvenile now, looking back, being 'wiser' and 'smarter' and knowing 'better''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but at the time, it was what it was'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, learn 2 english plz. it's ' til' the cows come home'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'what you are just talking about was something that only sages and wizards knew back then, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"how do you know that part of the bible is true" --> "god inspired the bible" --> "how do you know that God inspired the bible" --> "the bible said that god inspired the bible" --> "how do you know that part of the bible is true" --> (repeat circular nonsense from the start of this statement)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin in modern times, being extremely wealthy is valorized like being a perpetually adolescent child in a candy store'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'freedom from responsibility, all sorts of toys and instant gratification'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'definitely it was not systematized in any kind of fashion like that, like it is supposed to be known'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like an abortion or a good lawyer, you can just cut or rinse off any problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the whole nature of thought was different'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but back then, everybody had to work, from the czar to the serfs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like how the modern world attacks people's minds and makes them afraid of being mentally ill, they base almost all selection out of a persons mental acuity as judged from somebody else, job is a side effect of group doing job's similarity with employee'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they tried the systems we have now there'd be a destabilization of currency and a lack of labor to match with the lifestyle of the elite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's like, now we think of anatomy, physiology, biology, physics, when we think of if someone could take a sword and chop something down'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that seems reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people pick on retards all the time, they think they evolved but they look for flaws in eachothers brains and pick at them, whether it's there or not, neurosis can result and psychotic reactions, lots of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but back then, it was what spirits you embodied, the size of your rage, the power of your heart'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it used to be being homosexual was a problem, before that being an atheist, and before that being a communist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can actually program somebody's mind to believe itself ill where there is no actual known illness existing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because it wasn't split up, they didn't have to think of it like that, they just were'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but nowadays we need a new sickness to cull from the herd, why not cull the mental types.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i see an awful lot of that on the television these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil really? i got bored with tv it made me feel like i had to learn ebonics '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i still don't know what a shizzle is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen alot of it in school too, pretty much everywhere i go i watched, i'm not blind just observant of different things than most people - i pay attention to what i find important at the moment and try to understand it so i can move on'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and now, when you have a thought, you have so much society, culture, and literature to compare it to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'back then, think of how many thoughts you would have that would be forever lonely'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I mean, there's a lot of things to take into account when you examine the past, and the people who lived there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these one job wage slave world systems and stuff are all denial of that, as little diversity an individual has the greater that is for their master'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my grandpa is a plumber, a mechanic, a iron worker, a welder, a operator, a electrician and numerous other things - he was born in the 30's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that was based on a tax system though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the serfs were kept poor because they paid taxes. if you didnt want taxes you needed to run your own shop.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that hasnt changed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'trying to reason with druzil, let me get my popcorn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil does he need an apprentice, i have a bunch of spare time'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any of those trades today is a 2 year course in itself with long apprenticeship, he has a bunch of them - that's missing from just about everybody you see in a day, beyond menial tasks that are relatively easy and the odd ones who teach themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan its cruel to discuss popcorn and not share'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have popcorn too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm glad I'm a cruel man'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil well part of that is to ensure a uniform level of skills in the industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan oh, you're a man? you need a haircut bro'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Stop pressing your world-view on me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan why? is yours made of glass and apt to shatter?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn. for some reason averan, you remind me of that guy in the song ' annubian lights' featuring adele bertei'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its on youtube, but i am too lazy to link it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the governments main purpose as it exists today is to solidify the citizen's dependence on themselves with the disguise of independence and make sure that independence is made impossible in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, they are just trying to hold together what they essentially cannot control'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty accurate, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'in any way possible, scared shitless that things might explode'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin, the way you speak makes me wish i had a small boat like salvanas does'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can be corporations or whatever, they're all the government - a real government by the people for the people would have as it's crowning acheivement the motivation towards making their members a self-governing whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'seems reasonable to me. Everyone wants to guarantee their job. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as you can set yourself up that people will keep voting you in, you've got it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, their members are glorified tax-frauds and welfare bum's playing shimmy today, but by members i mean the citizens that hold them up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'I said I would like a boat. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic do you think that the book 'a connecticut yankee in king arthurs court' 's model of economics aptly portrays modern ecomonics in industry and employment?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the whole 'welfare bum' thing is a giant myth through-out most of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil indeed, thats my argument though, is that a currency failure will occur if the labor force is too aware of how the other half lives'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some people on welfare are bums and some are people who have been put there through shitty circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'myth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan most welfare bums i meet are fat chicks with 3+ kids and a meth addiction that get food stamps cards and sell them at half price'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've met some bums, thanks :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'most countries welfare budget takes up a tiny fraction of their budget'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there's bums, and there are people who are not concerned about having stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the regular bums i meet arent on welfare, they're too paranoid that the government will dump them in a camp or psycho bums'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's not the sort of people I mean, mushin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40% is a tiny fraction, averan?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"Most" countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'for*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever made being the government a job is an interesting person, administration of your tribe or people sounds like a natural course of nature that people would have done voluntarily'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'ya I gotcha :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'your insane welfare spending is a symptom of your other giant problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and putting it off on "lazu people" is ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil indeed, i would be happy to be a senator making only 40k a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a stupid thing to say, most countries have citizens that live in permanent poverty'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody seems to know exactly who that is, but that makes them even more mysterious '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont gotta pay me 150k to do that job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, you know what i found funny, is that welfare cheques to poor unemployed people don't fluctuate with living expenses as a member of american governments living allowance does'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its called ' COLA ''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the cost of living raises to 500,000 dollars per square foot, they'll have that covered - but mister welfare will have to move elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'congress had a bill go through to freeze senator's cola adjustments until we fix the budget'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or when the minimum wage is raised 30%, and the welfare rate stays the same as it was 15 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'always makes me laugh'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil i hear in england they give housing vouchers for welfare recipients to stay in posh neighborhoods'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I heard a theory that in the future, our whole economy will be like Alaska.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't get vouchers, they pay the landlords directly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Joint ownership of resources that pays out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin alaska gives you like 1400 a year if you have a drivers license'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's one of the reasons we have an overinflated housing market'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts it sounds like i should enjoy being a landlord rather than a tradesman of any kind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yeah, from the oil pipelines...everyone owns them, so everyone gets a stipend from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is stupid, why the fuck does a welfare recipient need to live in London where it costs 30592359059235023523 in rent?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic where should they live instead? dachau camps for german jews?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, you'd need to actually have the land to be a landlord...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if we had automated production, we'd lose jobs, but if we moved to a stipend economy, it would be doable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I know that problematic recipients (drug addicts/alcoholics) have their rent paid directly from the government to the landlord here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probnably not the question, majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'while other people are just given the cheque'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc okay, well, let's figure out how to get me some land'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question should be, why should welfare recipients be -paid- over the odds to remain in London'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'places where housing is cheaper, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts should they be deported instead? like german jews?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'concentration camps for the poor!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where would you deport them to?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan it worked in oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts how about romania? thats the way the french do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if they're from romania in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a better question is why are they on welfare and what alternatives are provided by london?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts eu is eu.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody can be useful in some way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand how the EU works, vampiredude'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'eu is eu? really...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'The EU works? Hah, that's a joke.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that's an excellent question. if the curreny's value is centrally controlled, why doesnt the government train people instead of welfaring them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who feel useless have a low self esteem and often turn to drugs and other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be 'deported' in the eu'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mind and body thing again, government not acknowleding it's reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's obvious...if you're good for nothing, you might as well get high'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it economically more viable to treat welfare recipients like old people waiting to die '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone can be useful in some way if they want to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is there a prejudice that they wont work even if trained?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'true majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic really? but what if they're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you seek to blame drugs then you've lost the argument before you've started it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'one you're locked into the poverty thing, improving your lot in life is very very hard'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the trick is to get them to realize it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... unhireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'getting any kind of meaningful job is impossible'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my mum's neighbour who has never held a job for more than a month or two certainly isn't very damn useful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'besides, "hired" does not encompass all of "being useful"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yes. for example if they were ugly, or had a felony record, or were child pornographers, or had mental defects'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'presenting yourself correctly in the workforce is a learned skill'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as the world is rigged now, it doesn't matter how much will you have to succeeed, you'll fail at every step of the way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he keeps getting fired because he no-shows when he's hung over.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that The Imp Druzil person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas okay, but what's more important in solving a welfare question'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything from proceeds of crime and criminal enterprises to legitimate jobs have no room for most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so yes, he could be useful, but he has no desire to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'being hired.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, ugly people can't get hired'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i'd like to be useful! hire me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell no. with the way you fucking argue on here i'd tell you to go paint the barn red and you'd argue for a week that it ought to be black instead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc its true in practice though. ugly people get hired last.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just like fat people getting picked last in school sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd be more hireable if you weren't always looking for the quick way out...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Now now kiddies. Play nice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, well golly gee, looks like you lose the argument.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'clean cut people can't buy drugs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'gotta fit the scene'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Besides, you're both wrong, it should be pink.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i had a desire to be useful, and you said no, you're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is discrimination against fat/ugly people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'There are plenty of clean-cut dealers, and buyers'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, vd, you have shown no genuine desire to be useful, just a desire to not have to go out and do the work of finding a job.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but a certain look will get you pegged as a cop'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan my neighbor even shaves his head.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, she said she wouldn't hire you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic oh, okay. so people have to prove that they truly desire to be useful, not just try to get a job?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'saying you want to be useful isn't demonstrating it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you sound like a scientology nut'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'essentially, yes. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc ok, how do i demonstrate it =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get off your ass, would be a good start'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'being on here isn't doing it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm standing now =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because if you hire someone who's a waster, they steal shit and waste your time training them as well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't bother, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'A job is not a be all and end all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic okay, so your prejudice is ' if yo uwanted a job, you'd already have one''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a job is pointless, vd, don't bother'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'therefore all people receiving welfare are just 'lazy' and are therefore unhireable, cause lazy people dont deserve jobs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'bootstrap yourself up!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, no, that is not what I said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, sounds like your prejudice is irrational. but to each their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you have to really want it, and then it'll all work out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'No, her "prejudice" (whatever that means), is that you should be looking for a job if you want one. Not whining on here about how someonoe should give you one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Suddenly, Salvanas.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... i think you want the word "premise", btw.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan, yes, thats what christains say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'almost nobody is going to give you a job sight unseen over the internet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you 'look for a job' if not asking someone to hire you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this isn't the place to find work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that a semantic loophole?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'How do you know he's not been out looking for work?  Do you expect him to look 24/7 and have no rest time?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic most job applications are done over the internet now. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if you wanted a job that did not kill you, you'd already have one or be dead"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth would you want a job, vd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts because i am bored not having anything to do but study?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know from extensive conversations with him :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, I might offer someone *else* a job, but not the person who's demonstrated a desire to quibble over every single detail. because that demonstrates that I'm not going to be able to tell them 'go paint the barn, the paint's in the shed' and have them do it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so go volunteer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Averan, put it this way: Whining about how people won't give you a job isn't really marketing oneself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he'd rather work out asking stupid questions like how to purify water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic so, you see, in other words, some people are unhireable. and i win my arugment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if you wanted a job that did not damage you, you'd already have one or be crippled and maybe on disability"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'I'd say it's pretty counterproductive, if you're actually wanting to find a job :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the nice thing about having a job is that once you've done your part for the world, when you're off your shift you can tell everything else to fuck off until tomorrow at least, if you want to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: ''cause debate channel is where  you have to market yourself to find employment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc, druzil convinced me that my drinking water is not healthy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some people are not able to be hired due to certain personality traits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic and therefore, in london, they would get welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they do not alter said traits, they will remain so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and you can't do that when you're unemployed, because people bug you about not having work and blahblahblah'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and its only right, because they're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, personality traits are something that prevents a person from doing a job, i don't like you isn't discrimination - '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the bosses right until the boss owns everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, they should become hireable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc ok, am i hireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they choose to not be hired'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the boss is somebody trespassing against the rights of everybody in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc so tell me how to get hireable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woman in the UK was on incapacity benefit because she'd broken her wrist.... 15 years previously'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Nope. But if you're trying to make a point about not being hired, and show the personality traits here that would make any potential employer turn and run.... well. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you present yourself in job interviews the same way you do online, probably not. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the workforce is set up a certain way, which you must play...it's not just about being willing to do a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 1, don't be an ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 2, see step 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is definitely a face that you must craft for finding work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"whistleblowing" is a "personality trait"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin thats what my druggie neighbors that live off government benefits say it, 'play their game''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a clown, i don't ware fraudulent personalities to get jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i wear a fraudulent personalities cause i want to, usually to make a point indirectly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not having that face put together is bad news for finding work, no matter how much potential or talent you might have'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have a hard time getting and maintaing employment because I have an anxious personality, lots of fidgeting, stuttering etc.  Should I just magically change that so I can be hired now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should your neighbours work when the government will just take 60% of what they make, and then prevent them from doing anything with the rest anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like they've nailed it, really'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'some people are that, they fit right in, some people need to work harder to conform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan yes, like flipping off a light switch, because nobody here will actually tell you what you need to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in conforming to another human's mould for depersonalized lives like mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like that song about ' fronting' and michelle pfeifer, they can't teach you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'magically? no. But you can seek jobs where it is less of a handicap, and if it's genuinely that bad that people can't understand you, perhaps you should see if the government can provide you therapy for the anxiety.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, I've been previously unemployed for 10 years, I am not averse to work, but it's hard knowing where to look and how to talk to managers, and what to do when you have no previous jobs for 10 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Well, if you want to enter the workforce, you should attempt to play by the workforce's rules. Not ask it to change to suit your personality :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the real question though is, if your personality is type A, and not type B, can you get a job meant for type B's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i am who i am, they got a problem with that maybe their building should burn down, i don't hurt anybody do i?  that's more than alot of them can say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or do you need to aim for jobs designed for type A's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, hiring someone who stutters as a museum tour guide would probably be silly. hiring them as a postal worker would work just fine. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you have to be what they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do i want to conform to the mould of a bunch of killers?  i don't worship them or want to be them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas indeed, but what are the rules.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's too bad, cause that's slavery, and i'm not a slave'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hire black dudes, they shoot people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin, right, you have to be what they want. they dont want an unemployed welfare recipient. they want a hard worker that'll do work well'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll serve god if i ever meet him otherwise something i believe in that isn't a human, unless that human isn't demanding my conformity'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'therefore all the people on welfare, are not hireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hire white dudes, they beat up black dudes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I am a hard worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and will continue to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I'll paint your barn whatever color you want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Also, for people who don't do mainstream well, or who are trainsitional in their career there are plenty of "menial" jobs you can do while trying to fidn other work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they're not hireable because they're not hard workers, that's tough shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but I don't look good from a hiring perspective'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard workers you walk about'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when I just dropped out of school and didn't have a high school diploma, I went down to the nursing home and got a job as a CNA. they paid for my training.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic then you can't reconcile your statement with the argument about welfare being a bad model'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about when communities were places where everybody contributed and ate the fruit of their labour?  one person can lift 20 pounds another 250'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'e.g. i letterdrop catalogues, and used to work as a shelf stacker. all i needed to do was a phone call and leave my details'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I was on welfare, and now I'm not. So your statement is false'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'how old are  you majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eventually when I got tired of looking at old people's buttcracks, I went back to school.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the 250 lifter should get 13.5 shares of 20'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'at what point in time did that happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc okay , when you go into a job, do you tell people you were on welfare, but want to get hird anyways?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'hell no'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs are easy to find if you're not picky'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah well, there's that and then there's do what you want to do to provide for yourself and your community, we don't have room for selfish people because they are who kings stemmed from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'exactly, because there is prejudice against welfare recipients'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''bout 14 years ago at this point. but a couple of my acquaintances have gotten hired for the same job recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stating being on welfare isn't part of the interview process'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its easier to get a job if you lie on the application'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after adolescence if there's not some traits of those personalities eradicated from their personalities, then there's a unproductive member of society, whether or not he's valuable physically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to lie on an application'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc here in the states you get asked questions about everything from sexual orientation to ethnicity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Well you're pretty much forced to lie though Abelinc'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'no one will hire someone who has been on welfare for the past four years'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'work on your qualifications, take unpaid internships, part-time, get in somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Nope. You lie, you're just gonna get burned later when they find out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I told zero lies'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, unpaid internships make sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but working on your qualifcations takes money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just no room for somebody who would rape your wife and your daughter living next door to you and contributing to the society you pay him to live in, whether he does it through money or otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might be easier to get one, not easier to keep one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mostly that's how it's done now'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or someone willing to teach you for free.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't have to take money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'so you do monkey work for a few years, while you work on them :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas or you sit on welfare for a decade while you work on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since we're already on welfare, use the programs available'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'stack shelves, or scrub windows. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you get a good job, you won't be able to afford your own place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'If that's what it takes, yes :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc i'm not on welfare myself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well do monkey work or live on welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts well, how do you get to the afford your own place level instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're in equivalent programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not that i see anyways, who likes to live next door to a person who's physically violent and threatens you for what you have or else he'll send in the sheriff to take away your things?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a ware across the ocean that we're keeping you safe from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get to that level, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc no, i'm awaiting appeals for eligiblity for equivalent programs =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get their ships and guns and stuff from somewhere you're not addressing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only those who already have the level of wealth, or who will inherit it can afford decent housing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts what good is being a rat in a maze if i dont ever get the cheese'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad the irony hasn't escaped you, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written in shakespeare novels king john and other stories where soldiers of britain go to war in the holy land of jerusalem to die for god'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look where american soldiers are now, pretty next door and near aren't they?  i find that too accurate to be odd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life has been ruined for the masses by the elite cliche'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the badarses'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's easy enough to get a job in construction VD, and move up there.  What's wrong with that work? Perfectly respectable, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil dont worry, most of those soldiers are not going to be able to afford to be in a state of grace when they die'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan actually i applied, they told me that unless i had experience in framing that they couldnt use me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they said they only wanted people with experience'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they didnt even get into asking about health problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's framing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's above even skilled labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Aplpy for another, and not something that needs framing skills :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you have to go to school etc to become a framer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'start as a labourer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and work your way up while gaining skills'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas i do apply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but it seems that i lack experience and training.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'damnit i applied for a job as a truckdriver and they told me they only wanted people with CDL's. how discriminatory!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if you're young and a good worker, a trade will eventually pick you up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wanted work as a lesbian'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i ran into that too, except instead they said they'd put me on their management track as soon as i paid them for a cdl course and signed a 4 year exclusivity contract'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then they wanted 5 grand for a cdl course.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i didnt have five grand =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or a cosigner.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'swift trucking =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine there's alot of bad people and stuff over in the middle east as there is everywhere else, but like sending food supplies to africa which has plenty of irrigated fertile land to provide for itself, which it's own government doesn't provide for it's citizens, this fix won't result in anything long-lasting, except resentment and funding/a drain on yourself that goes to a solution that is prevented from existing from within'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'way tldr.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil it helps open dialogues.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how many people die for it?  the economy might produce alot of soldiers, if only all them machines didn't take all the jobs huh?  maybe free trade agreement too, money in general's pretty corrupt from the coreo - demonized in the gospel, blamed for innumerable atrocities in history, worshipped as god still today even higher than life itself, and resisted in transparency and fairness in all economic structures for the citizens of a nation since probably it's foundation, but more recently lenin's interview with the cia operative in 1917'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'way more tldr'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although the cia might not have existed then, he was called military anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil re-homing is what's needed. rehome them jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'durzil bye the way, did you ever notice that cia hires truck drivers, janitors, and then every other job there requires a masters degree or higher?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they pay their truck drivers less than the nypd plays their officer recruits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to earn $$, become an escort'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'hey VD, you can be a flagger for the state with minimal work to qualify'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the only guys here that hire male escorts are gay, and i dont want that X.X'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's what my brother's girlfriend is doing, and believe me...if she can get a job, you can'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you aren't hard up enough, then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin actually the state requires a medical and background check, and i cant pass the medical'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'oh that is lame'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they start out paying flaggers at 15.40 something an hour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'volunteer at a drug testing lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i did, they said they wanted people with phelobotomy coursework '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'exactly, man...that would be relatively easy and decent money if you need something now, if it weren't for the medical...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'set up a sideline flogging fake vodka'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its actually located right next door to subway resteraunt'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'consult with your local tech school, they have ways to help people who are trying to get jobs. my mother got some help from the state right after the divorce when she hadn't worked in years, to get a qualification.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're hiring managers there, but not regular staff'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'donate sperm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'oh for goodness sake. go ask someone if you'll wash their shop windows for 10 a pop if you're that hard up. can't say you need a medical for that :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic yep, i did, i even talked with itt and nau'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she's physically disabled (broken back, severely arthritic wrists) but she has a job now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they all want me to take out loans and take 2 years of coursework first'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'after 20 years of being a housewife :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and im okay with loans, but i can't afford to study for 2 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so get a regular job then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the cna course I took was 3 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'er'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '3 weeks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yep, i can probably handle some windows'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what've you been doing the past 2 years?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but 10 bucks won't get me anywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a shelf stacking job at $12 an hour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate abelinc filling out forms and filing form 9's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'It'll get you a start. Which is more than what you'll get applying for jobs you can't get at your level.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that attitude is what makes you unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i cant, doctor said i cant do the lifting/bending/stooping that requires'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc the attitude of trusting my physician makes me unhireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so get a job in stock control, or on the tills'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i tried, they said that all their cashiers start out as courtesy clerks (stockers)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the attitude that working to get $10 doesn't help you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'So go clean some windows then. Clean 3 windows a day, $30, a week - sundays, $180. That'll cover rent food, and a bit extra to save for a college fund. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'working for 10 dollars a day doesnt help me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'more than getting nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody said $10/day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc sorry, but even my math skills are not sucky enough to not know that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'It'll do more than you applying for and not getting jobs :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts said ten bucks a pop'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, salvanas, i'd love to buy food/rent where you live'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I would go for $10 a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you only clean 1 window per day?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '...and I said that, and $10 was an example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas the cost of supplies alone would diminish that ten bucks, let alone transportation there and back'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it was an example'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Well I understand why you all provided a snap judgement of VD earlier'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin right. and that example wouldnt be worth it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what makes you unhireable. Because you have the attitude that 'i can't do anything''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Diminish, yes, but you'd still make a profit, and hey, IT'S STIL MORE THAN YOU NOT GETTING JOBS THAT YOU APPLY FOR. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when I didn't have anything, a friend of mine paid me to weed her garden and help her move boxes in her house'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, sorry for not wanting to spend 20 dollars to make 10'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'done.  I am not below that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'And yes, it's an example. Charge whatever you think is fit (within reason) :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't think anyone suggested you spend 20. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin right. i dont mind odd jobs. but most of them are physical'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell sexual favours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Averan.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic good grammatical point, how much do you think it costs for rags, a bottle of windex, and transportation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a bicycle is cheap on craigslist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you didnt think. so you insult me. way to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Data entry for your local mom&pop store. I mean, we already know you can sit in front of a computer. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin i've been pricing bicycles for a while, yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yep! i applied'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i don't think anyone was suggesting 10 dollars a day. rags = free if you have a friend (debatable), windex isn't that bad, and you should start near where you live.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'plus it's getting into spring, so the weather is ok for biking also'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but "the position was filled by another applicant"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... then keep applying.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i do!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collect aluminium and steel cans'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'success consists of trying one more time than you fail.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts cant, doctors orders, no lifting more than 20 lbs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cans weigh 20 lbs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc i dont know how much they weigh, but i know that to make the cost of going to the recycling center which is 23 miles from here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'worthwhile, i would need to bring in at least 48 pounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my point on the supply chain doesntmake it economically viable unless i had a car'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well, you might have to take one of these unworkable ideas and kind of wedge it in there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars cost, on average, $10,000 a year to run'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and then put your shoulder into it and then hammer it in there until it fits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts which means i'd need even more pounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'soda can aluminum is going for 27 cents a pound last i checked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'too bad you're not in a state with a deposit on cans'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'So go buy yourself one of those little trundle carts that grannies use to go shopping. There you go, your 20lb problem solved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not sure i'd do any better'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's how they motivate people on the margins to clean it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turn gay, because black, convert to islam, and get a disability, yhou'll be guaranteed a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts a lot of people have been suggesting i convert to islam, its apparently pretty popular in my area'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you do seem the kind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it would make the random screenings at the airports more fun too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam will not help you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'And this is where I sign off. Either you're trolling, or you need professional help to distinguish between serious coments from facetious nonsense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas glares at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then why'd you say that :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know much about Islam, but if Ahmadinejad is anything to go by, I'm gonna guess becoming gay and islam probably isn't the best of combinations, if you have a choice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Good day.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hand the channel back to Druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems a lot like christianity to be honest, do these things and then all your worldly problems will be solved by gods or angels'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '48 lbs * 0.27 /lb is 12.96, less cost of gas to travel 46 miles'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, according to him, there are exactly 0 homosexuals in the Islamic Republic of Iran.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade thats travel by car.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not travel by bus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei there's a lot of iranian homosexuals in oklahoma'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they come here to study , drink, and get laid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'avoid them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get dinnerjacket cooties'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i dont have to, when i tell them i dont drink they stare at me like i'm from home =p'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'honestly though, i think for the money, that i will be better off getting an education than trying to bootstrap anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the margins just arent there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its that or start a business.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'educations are pointess'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they look nice on a resume though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just use a nicer grade of paper'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already am using a nice grade of marble paper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cost me an extra 1.58 a ream'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell a kidney'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the problem is, no manner how nice of paper, they still have to like what they read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no good, i take so many pills that my kidneys arent valuable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you need to be from a minority group, in order to get preselected for an interview'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts as a veteran i am a member of a minority group: just not a minority group selected for affirmative action'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'learn how to synthesize speed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already learned how, but the bottle is too heavy for me to burp, remember, 20 lbs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sit on welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what you're trying to justify anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched a bit of a show on how jack daniels is made last night, 3 years + it sits in those barrels (custom made from white oak iirc), before being bottled and sold'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, i'm just arguing that some people are unhireable, its not just lazy drug addicts on welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mmmm jack daniels'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder what the guy who invented whiskey drank while waiting for his batch to brew'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil yeah =) makes you thirsty doesnt it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts besides, since i'm not on welfare, that wont work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so go on welfare then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil is advertising whiskey'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i cant. i either have to make false statements as per title 18 us code section 1801.... and defraud the government, or i gotta have a doctor write a letter saying ' you cant work because of X''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'get the letter'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i cant. the v.a. doc's wont write those letters'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a non-v.a doctor to do it then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can't! those doctors want money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the guy that killed those 16 pre-terrorists avoided becoming a crippled vet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade he apparently didnt trust his uncle sam to take care of him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who knew him said he wasn't the type of guy who'd do that kind of thing, i'm not sure what to believe but the common judgement is he worked alone is is solely to blame'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did you all a great service'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its not exactly rare for a soldier under stress and isolated from home to behave erratically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his actions will speed up the withdrawal from afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i hear during the vietnam era soldiers used to even shoot babies'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, death can weigh heavy on the mind when surrounded by it day in and day out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil shrug, i wouldnt mind being around death all day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it costs a lot of money to open a mortuary too, hmmn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you guys think i'd make a good funeral director?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'budget on wednesday, you watch the arsehole put fuel tax up again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tiger, are you gonna vote obama this november?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt it, given i'm not american'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that didnt stop people last time'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were american,i  would'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have voted for Ron Paul, but the other 3 republican candidates are war mongering weirdos'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that i wouldn't vote for, and nobody really in their right mind would'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that an adequate answer to your question?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? i was thinking of voting for romney since obama never had anyone respond to my letter'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voting based on whether they respond to a letter doesn't seem terribly sensible'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VD is contemplating voting for somebody intending to be less charitable to the poor than the current incumbent  '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade the current incumbant hosed my educational g.i. bill benefits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more to the point, he's considering voting for an idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why would an idiot not best represent me in office.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he fails to understand problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and applies flawed morality to reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts so do i?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why would i vote for someone that is not going to represent me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nodody represents you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then why vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't, there isn't any point'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, you seem like you're not a good mentor'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vote for the least worst'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm telling it to you how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade: that is the american way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the best way to get elected...base your campaign on "At least I'm not him ---->"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you live in a country of 300 million people with 1 president chosen from 2 candidates, you acn't expect either to represent you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can hope for is to vote for someone who is capable of doing the job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, in the case of your motley lot, least likely to fuck it royally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so only 300 million people vote?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'tomorrow I will go and buy myself a new phone (leaving my work soon and need to return the cell they've issued me - Nokia E71 - god riddance) should I go with an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy S2?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'galaxy nexus'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smartphones are evi'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+l'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'i see'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'GALAXY NEXUS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why say that if you don't believe it?  it's obvious that they are evil in that they're being integrated into school curriculum's everywhere filtering the thoughts of people, are privately managed and who knows what data they collect - are built with insecurity in mind funding a industry in people who will patch the holes in security, and aren't produced locally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'felt, nexus is a bit too much for me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff wouldn't have happened as early as 25 years ago when regulations were still enforced and things monitored for tricks'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'druzil, shut the hell up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'druzil i agree yet i have to have a smartphone so i can ssh to servers and email/game on the road'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'quit making the obvious look like a joke to think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fallacy of golden age thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to consider not sitting in the road gaming'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps a bench on the pavement'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'never as the driver'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'oicwydt'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts here they arrest homeless people for visiting parks after close.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't sit in a park'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'nor park in your seat'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not a straight security company on earth, no independent contractor (from the UN and NATO to your local private businessman) who doesn't do more or less than his job entitles him to, that's why those things should always be handled by people within the nation you live in who understand how they operate and aren't afraid to explain that reality to people - the entire world is dependent upon very few people to supply those things, and those people can get away with anything they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason why if your country has the minerals to build the devices they don't and sell it for cheaper - except somebody foreign came in and removed your independence'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but what if a uae run port security firm costs less'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"Who doesn't do more or less"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'scientologists do more for less. they call it 'abundant exchange''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the weak pound, gas dropped just below $9 a gallon again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're on welfare you don't have a choice, if you buy something for next to nothing you didn't pay the people who produced it, but wage slaves and people who might never get paid are abundant anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's funny really, how the poor in a rich nation feed on the poor in a poor nation getting worse, the rich don't suffer on either end, the one with the poorer people probably profits greater'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'wah wah wah, i'm schizophrenic and need to babble to try and communicate my message to the OH SO RECEPTIVE audience of aardwolf.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care how receptive you are to reality, being blind is national religion from everlasting to everlasting, and einstein isn't sure about that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'I don't want your reality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course not, it's too much to handle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'There's a reason you're supposed to be taking pills for that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'good luck getting un-crazy, druzil. I don't see it happening any time soon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your brain seems alot less superior than mine from here, but perhaps the doctor told you otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Boba Felt ruffles The Imp Druzil's hair playfully.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you want to come and stand within me and show me this contrast of self that you perceive the significance in'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'Right, like you need more voices inside your hea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'head.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least my head's not silent, that can be a bad sign, although who's watching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my head's voice is saying 'coffeeeee''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil, do you think emf from transformers and power substations can harm plants or people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several irish-looking politicians want to permit more irish temporary workers to receive permanent status in Canada by reducing the temporary term from 10 years to 1 year -- and then the St Patrick Day riots showed what an upstanding contribution the irish are going to bring to Canada (at least the rioters were not setting off murderous bombs IRA style when torching cars in London Ontario and St Catherines)'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this is where pedants go to masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'define?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'pedant: one who is pedantic'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'masturbate: to pleasure oneself'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and pendant ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'pedant'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes..'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'one who is pedantic, overly concerned with rules and trivial details'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'arguing endlessly over minutiae'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK :) hold on '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this channel is where pedants go to masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Loaf-shitter:  A dumb cunt whore breeder bint bitch moocow slit bitch who gets knocked up and shits a loaf which is then foisted on the rest of us in public places.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'wait this is a rerun'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'my TiVo said that it was a new one but I've already seen it'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not my fault that breeders suck ass.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders and/or wannabreeders such as yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yep I'm changing the channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Admit it, you just want to knock up a girl so that you can prove to the universe that your dick works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 's we are saying that humanity dont deserve to breed ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No better way to have a legacy than to blow a load into some dumb bint bitch breeder whore cunt and create an otherwise unncecessary golden shitloaf that will be the bane of retail and restaurant personnel everywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually legacy and breding awe mutually exclusive?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw cheap trolin'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't say that to breeders, after all, WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT THEIR SHITLOAF CUMSTAIN OFFSPRING LOOKS LIKE... ANd, who is gonna take care of you when you're OLD????????????????????????????????????????????'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wouldnt the world benefit from more starlings ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sox ill get thtere evnetually'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, the world would indeed benefit from more Starlings, because those Starlings wouldn't BREED and foist shitloaf turd children upon everyone else!'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and you have added to the world by ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aww huggs too '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I can't agree without also wanting to do something about it . how about you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are several selective breeding programs in the past , some have great results - wht say you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Or . how do we limit loaf production ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'For whom the bell tolls ? it tolls for U'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is natural selection  loaf segregation ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'becuase our system ertainly bucks the trend'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - a chann thart is annonnyommouse and unfettered - one that you can turn off - is perhaps useful ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any takers ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'love my mouses ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is therer any form of liability in hosting a free for all forum ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'This is the essence of a shitty puzzle right here.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'The gatekeeper to the Mosaic is stout and lazy.  You suspect he isn't inclined to open this gate for you.  On the other hand, he looks vain and susceptible to flattery.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'listen Rocco (gatekeeper) -> "Come back tomorrow."'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'obviously he wants to be flattered.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look gate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'looks at the gatekeeper'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look west?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'assholes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'at least they gave you the word so I cannot complain'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's a piece of the puzzle on think pink if you read page1 or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't figure it out for myself though, just looked around for how they did'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems awfully quiet on here tonight'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree away'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'agree stay'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'YOU ARE ALL WRONG'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning on privatising some roads here'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here they already did that and put up toll booths'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're also trying to ban shariah law in the state senate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why would anyone think it's even necessary?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ban "toll-booth" law'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'shucks, no more fatwahs'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"toll-booths" are parasitic'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir i think its called a pre-emptive thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like when your girl isnt going that far, but your body does.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in one state they tried to ban tasering a bear, getting your picture taken with it, and then leaving. (no there weren't any examples of anyone doing it.)'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'No means No, not Yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i heard in china its still legal to buy a bunny rabbit and then have a teenager stomp it to death on youtube'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'thats illegal in the US too'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil did you ever find a foreigner's bible to figure out that lev 20:6 bit by?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude prods The Imp Druzil into action!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if you research the mafia, in 1937-1943 america released one of their top bosses from prison so he could organize them in italy to resist mussolini who wanted to destroy them, because since saudi arabia or something was done being resisted it became corrupt and installed its own corrupt members in every level of italian society that had authority - this was what mussolini wanted to straighten out, not to give to to saudi arabia but to remove what he seen as corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from what i heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, israel's managing casino's in america, and not just one but every one - how many other businesses?  probably a similar system '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Israel is managing every Casino in America?  Really?  Is this part of that Vast Jewish Conspiracy(tm) that secretly rules the world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are the rothschild family who invented wall street having to do with the money that a casino deals in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzi, that saudi arabia post was incoherent, near gibberish,  and thus not worth noting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to understand what a foreign governments military has to do with a gambling game in a foreign nation which has it's own military, who's rules apply here?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can i go anywhere on a work visa claiming to be a canadian special forces?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm here to manage your banks and your politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps some of the 1/16th part Amerindians that own/run casinos are 15/16th jewish'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'large corporations manipulate indians and their land all the time, chief tells people it's alright with 1.3 billion dollars in mind, it's progress that destroys the land'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I decend from a long line of ancestors who were followers of the deciples of a certain prominent Jewish rabbai.  Does that count?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are corrupt, people think cause they have 1.3 billion the problem doesn't run deeper than them, but they know that somebody else gave them that money'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've got no problem with fair people, not as much problem with people who think they're being fair working within the limits of their unfair boss either, their boss knows better and prevents fair people from living - and he usually has idea's and beliefs in his mind which are what i focus on'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich took the monies, and do not concede they were given the monies, unless the rich gave the monies to the rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the ku klux klan owned every bank in the world and claimed black money can't be used here - would you say alright they're white, but that doesn't mean they're racist or there's anything wrongw ith that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so with every bank i've ever been to being managed by jews or italians well, where's the absence of ku klux klan in that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad example, the KKK is no longer a playa'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'owned at least, people working at the till aren't the people who own the bank'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an individual racist organization, racist groups go by different names, they're the same thing with different skin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of their members don't think there's anything strange about it, like they say about the nazi's on documentaries, hitler youth groups'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world is racist, then why not separate their members into different locations on earth instead of leaving one the slave of another in every location on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The banks are all run by the Jews?  Really?  Is your source for that statement Mein Kampf by chance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never read that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just observation and probable majority reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if italy is going bankrupt, the italian banking system may go bankrupt -- unless Druzil meant banks were owned by the jews and or the mafia  (and he omitted mention of the Chinese banks)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although it does say in the gospel that he is not a jew who is one externally, but internally - which is where some people's sayings come from that those people in israel aren't jews'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No, an "observation" is something that's based on actual, emperical evidence.  That is more of a "conspiracy theory."'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots seem to believe they're russians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Gates is an atheist or (according to Druzil) a jew (atheist)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Ah.  So athiesm is a branch of Judism now?  Who knew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't get that kind of money from your harvard lawyer dad from an operating system you didn't invent with all of the sabotage recorded installed into a ford automobile while building nuclear power stations in china and having your ex-partner owning patents on all panasonice circuit designs, without being connected to the people who ran the world for the last 100 or more years'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and in the history of the rothschild family, they're about the only one that can provide that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican news talk shows allegedly use fact checkers so they may correct errors later in pages and pages of fast scrolled ending credits -- joke from the Daily Show'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can observe conspiracy theories too, does the KGB exist is a conspiracy theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that runs russia today and transnistria'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't claim something to be absolutely true, only way to know that's to be a part of it, the bible's as fictional as a science journal on facts which aren't verifiable but require the imagination pieced together to attempt to comprehend'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i take information from history tv, discovery channel, hollywood movies, the internet, books, religious texts, nature and wherever else, everything i say has a grain of truth in it, whether or not that is a possible science journal/bible truth perceived or something i actually am a part of'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not my fault if you can't understand or keep up with me'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, propaganda in, propaganda out -- Druzil is a clueless parrot'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure thing, clueless parrots like CNN saying what CTV and AlJazeera said which was the same opinion as BBC and every other major news network in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It isn't that I don't understand what you're saying.  The problem is that what your saying is complete BS.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i take what they say and consider the exact opposite and what's missing, otherwise they'd at least have some reportive opinion on a subject wouldn't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I want a parrot. Druzil can you be my parrot if you are indeed a parrot?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wisdom may require decades of mentally digesting information from input to ouput'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like this Kobe person they talk about on the news alot now, got some public support from a celebrity to tackle for human trafficking and stuff, isn't it written on the news that the CIA released him from prison before sending him to that nation to do what he done?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was in prison for murder or something similar, either him or another prominent south african'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'It's Kony.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Kobe plays basketball.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Maybe you're a parrot afterall. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't mention that on most media, the part of him being put there by their own government'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your guys understanding on viterra taking over most of the canadian wheat board and then switzerland buying a majority of that company's operations (most grain elevators and markets etc), i mean what does switzerland have to do with canadian grain?  it makes 0 sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they gave a company from winnipeg about 17 locations and 34 product labels, but that's nothing compared to what they got - it's similar to the canadian government hosting discussions on how to manage canadian grain in niagara falls ontario, where most farmers are 600-700 miles away and busy in the field at the time of their meeting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just makes no sense, it's like switzerland is saying you don't know how to mange the grain you produce so we're here to save the day'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canada quit exporting grain to the world for 10 years they'd starve to death in lots of places, i don't see where switzerland is required'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No... It's saying "We want that sweet, sweet China money you've been making on your grains."'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so greed, the easy answer, i'm not sure if it cut common sense that far yet, but it's something to keep in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Greed is almost always the answer. They're also buying up a bunch of metals production, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once a country owns nothing in itself it's no longer a country, that doesn't come to mind though'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'welfare state of switzerland or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'babylon whore metaphor is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it true that swiss news channels hire models to keep men watching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it's not true.  It's just that the swiss are a nation of tall, leggy, superhottie blondes.  The Aryan Race, if you will, but without the crazed german silliness.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'super sayan > aryan'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what was nails power level when he fought frieza?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'saiyan*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'not enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'trunks' power level was good enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's obviously the sword'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a poll, do you think it's a good thing, they're keeping their office in regina see and possibly calgary - i don't really have an opinion on it except it seems as fishy as petro china, petro canada and canadian steel'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about money, that's just something to take peoples minds off of what it can't afford to buy'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once a company like those american/chinese/swiss get installed they're not leaving under any circumstances'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they're contracts with a foreign government to give up sovereignty'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they privatized government oil (petro-canada, bought by suncore in 2009), canadian steel (possibly hudson bay subsidiary sponsored by the government tax payer) and now the canadian wheat board (union of farmers), so there's grain, steel and energy which einstein says is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but petro china moved into canada and it's not owned by suncore'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all privatized to people not from canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll purchase it from their IMF banker's transactions handling the account of their crown corporation drilling the minerals in canada, and put the funds into their governments pocket, effectively paying nothing at all for what they take'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's war in action, but the enemies within the borders aren't weeded out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see it as anything else, greed isn't no excuse - you can't look at china and say i'm greedy, sell me all your panda reservations so i can have some rugs and expect them to say ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's plenty of universities and books and plaecs to experiment mastering the art of mining raw minerals from the earth too, but the canadian government decided that australia should handle the potash and somewhere else the steel (like wall street)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs them?  they do of course, they'd have to pay a fair price for what they take otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at a map how far away australia is from canada, and show me where they pay for any consequences of their actions or have any say in what happens on canadian soil, that their services are required here instead of ones provided by here's own people'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Canada has such a small population for their area, it might just be hard to support the industry needed to get that stuff out of the ground.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about worldwide demand, if the world wants something they should move here then and consume it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You could chip away at it, or let someone else come and gut it all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god put what's here over here and your country has it's own shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people can't stick to trading the bare neccessities like rice for wheat'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what good does it do the world to excavate american continent until it's 8000 feet below sea level and pile it up on a mountain behind the emperor for china's golf course?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'makes you all his slaves i guess, you got it all figured out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world want's oil, the canadian government organizes 32 million people, the world wants steel too, and gold even, the government is aware of all of this but instead of providing free training which is very negligible compared to the price of sale of what is provided by it's employed graduates, they turn to foreign espionage and betray their own people with money as an excuse (which is proven false by the income those things owned by the government and it's shareholders (taxpayers) would have provided)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the pile of shit in a nutshell'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have faith that judas iscariot exists like vampire stories with things like this evident'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see it another way, but maybe i'm wrong - what do you think?  is mismanagement and betrayal a core reason for these problems?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'misappropriation of monies, taxes, and resouces.  core problem of every country in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'individual people of significant position, cutting deals with countries and corporations for self interest'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, isn't that what they called treason in the past?  they say not many convictions in the last 400 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever it is, to me they seem similar, but i still haven't seen the whole picture to weigh the facts, just what seems crooked or not-right and my assumptions about why'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'it is treason.  but when everyone in power is in on the game, then what is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably see alot of finger pointing on the In many nation's, but not in the original statement.. actions to help a foreign government overthrow - what if said citizen is a member of the government of the second sentence?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not even much of a country to identify with except the absence of both parties then is there?  it's a confusing judgement how they place it - i'd say it's something more similar to a trusted member of society using that trust to undermine the members who placed it in them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but peasant views aren't usually considered in professional dialogues'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah exactly, your statement there, it is treason - but when.. that's what i was just talking about - hard judgement isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see, that's what gets me riled up when i think about world war 2 and makes possible new viewpoints to consider what the war was bout, and world war 1 even, maybe it was like this two way view of treason and one person's way of seeing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a hard time saying it's all about murder and genocide, considering how people starve to death in african holodomor every single day, while several members of the UN watch on and even invest in the communities that provide those inhospitable living conditions through their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like you say if they're all treasonous traitors to their nations, but to conspire to overthrow them is the only treason they see - then they must have something in common installed by the victor's of world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise why would there have been a war, they all agree to be traitors together'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people died and stuff, but philosophy is what runs governments and that didn't take any hit, except for the worse , although we can't time travel and compare the realities of what we're taught in school'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole hitler hating jews saying just doesn't add up to the be all end all of the whole thing, to most people it does but i don't have that much faith in racism - if i did then it would easily be shaken by the treatment of bolivian citizens by the foreign corporations and their own governments to this day, in 2001 they tried to privatize all of their national water reserves for instance and the lesser citizens (the bolivians) had no say about it except to riot'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the difference between that racism and the other kind, one survives and runs your nations today - the other takes your mind off of that fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'You're right. I bet the jews were behind it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're mentioned in bbc articles on columbia'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Druzil. The fact that Hitler hated Jews can be considered a bonus or serendipity. The allies were forcing Germany to go to war regardless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why'd you jump to that conclusion that i hate jews right away?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The fact that Hitler was a xenophobe made it easier for the allies to justify the war, that's all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever kind of person you are is determined by your inner self and your actions, not by your genetics - philosophies regurgitate around those genetics though, which is unfortunate'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just pointed to two races of people who are being treated similarly to the jews in history, south american natives and african's'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also the stories i heard of the khmer rouge and the cambodians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't hate any race of people on earth, but races of people have members that predominantly lead their members in favour of their own racist interests - it's everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, be careful about what you mean by "history". The Jews were ostracized by Christians at the beginning of the modern era in their belief that they (all) were the cause of the death of Jesus'.  '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all members like their leader, some leaders would sacrifice them all to hell for a cup of gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and they early Chrisitians believed Jews were emissaries of the Devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's probably from the verse's of pharisee's and sadducee's discussing things with jesus and the high priest of the jews mentioned near the start prophecy'ing that jesus should die which eventually he paid for (the high priest and his servants)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'nod'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus was jewish though, 'ye know not what ye worship' etc, disciples of hell or the devil mentioned in there'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he just had his own idea's, he didn't say all jews are evil but a evil priest could have twisted those words into whatever he wanted as he taught sunday school'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he thought he was right too, who knows - but using the word of god for purposes of warfare and power isn't anything new, it's even written in the chronicles of the kings'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Jesus was the descendant of Aaron and King David. he wanted to rule Israel'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he was conservative, and wanted a return to old Torah law'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and dump the Romans, of course :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure Jesus was an invention of some people who wanted to keep the shepherds and related peasantry under thumb.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the cheesemakers'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early church did not speak about Jesus until they considered their financial concerns'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Jesus as LORD made the early chuch a lot of money'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so jesus was a get rich quick scheme from the beginning'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you may be right, Vakieh, though I doubt it very much. The history of the times is consistent enough to make that conclusive. Just as conclusive as most history anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as marketed, yes. but not in the beginning.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The history of the time is consistent? - There are 3 books, from 3 different religions, and all of them disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'which one talks about blue people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'very early Christians did not focus on Jesus.... this is quite interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they had enough cash'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There has been NO - that's right, flat out ZERO primary sources related to the existence of Jesus. NOT ONE.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'not even the shroud of turin!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand why people always focus on whether or not jesus existed as though arguing it's gonna solve the problem absolutely one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'early Christians were a peaceful people and wanted spirituality. Jesus was interestingly left absent'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If we got like 20 people to write about Marvin, the son of god from the 1800s, we would be 100% as 'confirmed' and 'consistent' as the Bible was when written.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wish god were alive to see this'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are claming that Iosephus was a fiction also. Or Paul, for that matter. Or that the writings of Peter, Thomas, John and Mary were all ficticious? Wow, so I guess I could make the same claim about the US Civil War.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about it? Who wants to write about Marvin with me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Tolstoy was fiction!? And Joyce?  Next you'll say Shakespeare!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do not doubt the man existed. i doubt how he has been marketed for economic reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ficticious? Perhaps not - but show me something they wrote. Not something someone wrote *about* them, but something concrete to show evidence it actually happened.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Why should I show you? Don't you know  how to use a library?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen giggles.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the bible, the only place i remember seeing jesus write something was in the sand, as though he heard them not'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i've got a little poem about jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it existed, you would have a source. As it is, you sound like the average butthurt Christian in a world that grew up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I remember when my imaginary friend used to talk to me...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Druzil, with all due respect, I consider the bible the least of the thematic documents I would use :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there was a man named jesus... he wasn't that reeleegeous... but when you asked who was its... its was the reallyjesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nice name sheen!  we should join forces'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'We should.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's the most widely distributed religious text that i know of, although hated by most islamic nations seemingly'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's such a throwaway absence of anything mysterious then why does it captivate so many people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it might  be widely distributed, but as a historical document, it's not worth the paper it's written on.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except  to show the ethos of the people, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'that line of code doesnt exist in this realm'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the bible itself is of an odd resourse. not too many people are sure who write great parts of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wrote*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'or who put it together'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'would you claim that the Vedas to be a history of India?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Great Parts? Try any. When it was translated, was it reviewed? Has anyone seen the original text? The Bible has passed between at LEAST a hundred different minds, each with their own agenda, from whenever it was supposedly written to now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and do not foget the text of genesis was stolen. so was the story of moses'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gospel canon i -heard/read- was put together by a person called pope julius'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And how convenient, that God pulls out the miracles JUST when people are stupid enough to believe them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some claim that the story of bel and the dragon was once part of the entire book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, the bible is a good source of the ethos of the time, as a hsitorical document it sucks the big one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ethos of which time?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of each epoch that it contains  :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that story does seem to display mistrust of all churches, so maybe it was just written down later to express that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You think the King James Bible is remotely similar to the way it read as it was written?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'King James had the Bible intentionally mistranslated to suit his political needs'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must  consider that by the time Jesus appeared on the scene, the bible was a fait accompli. There hadn't been any addenda in a long time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just like everyone else who translated it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, those languages sound worlds apart - sin and satan seem to have actual translations in other languages, where untranslated words are referenced to wonder the true meaning of a verse in the book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fait Accompli? Pretty sure the modern Fundi ignores the old testament, except for the no gay thing, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fete*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the New Testament is not really part of the bible :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Says who? You can't pick and choose if you want to say you follow something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'King James had... issues'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'King James, like Henry VIII, used religion for his purposes :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and did he ever. he is still famous for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like in the new testament they use the word beelzebub and other things like that, while looking up the word baal berith you get a little overview of what it translates into, having to do with a covenant or pact made between people possibly with a demonic spirit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Old testament, as you call it, which I call the bible, is a Jewish document. The new Testament is not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why didn't they translate the word into something sentient, which is translated directly to the people reading their own language?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So, you would suggest the OLDER part of the text is somehow reliable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the Jews today are not happy with the so-called new testament'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Wouldn't it be more accurate to call it the Torah instead of redefining it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Perhaps 4000 years of mistranslation and outright warping'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the New Testament is basically a product of Constantine, which was bent on homogenizing Christianity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whole debate is a crock of shit. Why does any sane person need to give a fuck what iron age farmers thought was an ok way to live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying that's the actual case cause i wasn't taught hebrew or yiddish and don't really care to teach myself, but it seems alot of people agree on the translations'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'when people need to believe in something, they will believe in anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so your viewpoint is better? So you won't get pissed off when 1000 years from now someone asks the same question about you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unlikely. because he'll be dead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that fact notwithstanding :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'm just sayin :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Slavery - ok? Sanitation - unnecessary? Forcing rape victims to marry their rapist - ok?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is the clusterfuck of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that that farmer's opinion still persists today even if it is so diluted that it can't be selected.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i have a simple religion....you know whats good and bad so fuckin do it :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like while the bible has the word jehovah, sacred yweh in another aspect, selah in another, amen in egyptian (the unknown god), islam has allah - ok, they say that translates to deity - but the translation didn't come with the text that i seen, which is the same thing with the word jehovah, which where a messenger when asked who sent him replied 'I AM sent me', so possibly his existance or existance sent him, I AM then could be translation for jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not everyone does'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is fairly ultimate since nonexistance might not have any concept of relativity'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I am saying that choosing to live your life in a manner set out by uneducated, 4000 year old people who were perhaps a single jump up from cave men says to me you might benefit from euthanisation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is essentially all that religion is, Dirkdiggler. However, there is no political advantage to something so simple :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'that what your guilty conscious is...that part of GOD is with us always...it is the "HOLY SPIRIT" = conscious'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think Jehovah is a Caananite god or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i auctioned my poop'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, your 'guilt' is the collective input of your social intelligence, built on years of observation and learning, and bolstered by thousands of generations of instinct.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early Hebrews picked him up from other tribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'introducing  claims  that cannot be substantiated is not the way to go, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whatever...you can clearly bid on that poop'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's strange that a messenger wouldn't worship this word jehovah instead claiming I AM sent me which is pretty easy to understand, not some dark god in the undivergeable background who can't speak for himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can anybody tell me why eating the flesh of the swine will make me burn in hell? Anybody?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i want 72 virgins whatever...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because Jesus sent pigs in the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if an actual messenger speaks plainly then about spirituality, then why do the religions that come from his words hide behind words that nobody understands'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't, but I can understand why someone would think so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure one of the people involved in writing that part was either a sheep/cow farmer, and HATED his competing pig farmer'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I'm auctioning my cocaine. What now, Dirkdiggler?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they had demons in them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you know it!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they have trichinosis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it was a health thing, not a serious sin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or had :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i do lab tests for trich'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Haha, I love where this is going.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why shouldn't you mix threads in clothing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is cutting your facial hair a bad thing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is this leviticus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'working in a hospital lab right now...thats basically the only time i play mud, when they pay me *wink'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right, Modi. Jews banned the eating of pork because of trichinosis, the practice then became ritualized. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why did eating an apple doom mankind? Why is it the woman's fault?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if God had a name, of the bible which many islamic people claim they have faith in the god of abraham and adam and eve (that i overheard), then wouldn't he have asked Adam in the Garden of Eden, what shall I be called?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the apple is a miss.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why will not loving a god without evidence curse you to burn?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'woman are bitchy sometimes...we needed an excuse'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and now it doesn't matter that better cooking techniques have been found.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'according to some people, it's always the woman's fault anyway :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Adam certainly thought so :) He divorced his first wife :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i respect all religions....we're all praying to same god dummies'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why do we need to be married before sex?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'we dont'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the story of genesis was stolen from the chaldeans'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thieves maybe didn't think of that, or thought nobody else would?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or babylonians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I respect all religions as I respect those who like to read fantasy instead of  S.F. :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why does splashing water on a child's forehead going to help him in the afterlife?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'does = is'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'the bible was written for hte most ignorant to read and take something GOOD from it....the smart ones with science backgrounds (myself) have to pretend to believe the book but know that god can still be real just not something a book can explain'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, Vakieh, you are being rather thick about this. It is a symbolism.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'baptism is old... i think mithric'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Symbolism? Symbolism for what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet it came from India, myself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like to think the Symbolism for baptism is a LITERAL brain washing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or india. that opinion has great merit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Doesn't Javiar Translated from Hebrew mean I AM?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Xavier?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Because in an South African language Called Zulu They use Jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only place i can find a circumcision origin in the old testament (from my memory) is where (i think) Moses wife cuts off his foreskin and says a 'bloody husband thou art''
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you said African...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then it becomes a pact with god and the people somehow'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jehovah, is a the pronunciation given to YAWEH :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cicumsions primary purpose is to prevent a nice intercourse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nod anar'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I remember that one of relion 101 college....'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i liked that classs...we had a total hippie teacher '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why do we glorify belief without evidence? By the same token, Santa and the Easter Bunny are real.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'bottem line...why r we talking about it on a game?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do think santa was real, as he helped children'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why not? It certainly makes existence a bit more palatable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'cya in church sunday'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Because that's what the debate channel is for?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Existence is awesome enough without fairy tales'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'to fart or not to fart...thats what i use it for'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and santa, i heard, became mre popular than Jesus.... so he was popularized'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instead of hearing about Heaven, lets listen to the life and death of a star. Let's look at how the spinning cluster of rocks became the ultimate giver of life.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Nicholas of Bari of the 500s is thought to be the first Santa. He, on Dec 6, would give gifts to poor children.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ahhh so i did hear something interesing'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Apparently Santa rescued three prostitutes from some man or people and was know as the saint of all prostitutes (HoHoHo)??? I don't think its a coincidence'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he is a  Saint Nicholas, btw :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instead of threatening people with Hell, how about we instill a love of Humanism in them, and teach them about social responsibility'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with having faith in the possibility of an aferlife as you understand it and considering things for yourself - what i find wrong is how those considerations are removed with fear in alot of religions and instead of being guided by their innerself coming into contact with whatever they believe to be God and learning to develop their own relationship with the source they worship, they worship a person instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'so let me get this right?  nobody wants to fart on here with me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with loving people or respecting people, but i don't think people should be worshipped as almighty god on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if anything, them in their entirety should be closer towards that concept than a single individual'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if being good to your neighbor is a religion, I am all for religion, the rest is just baggage.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly don't need a god or afterlife to do the right thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If that was ALL religion was, it would be ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But religion has a net negative effect, in a HUGE way'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'can we talk about rape or something interesting...geeeeeeeez *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is all  religion is when you subtract the  politics :)('
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The majority of war, whilst usually politically motivated, only drew the support of the people by use of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont think so.. if we were all heathens the world would be even worse'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sotura has a hopeless crush on the wonderful, eternal Maerchyng, he can even spell his name right!  *Clap*
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Can't rape the willing, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'You can try, though ^'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whatever Sheen you just focus on getting me more cocaine!!!!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you may have the wrong delivery man, Dirk.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Now while I'm playing with my Dirkdiggler. >_>'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The fucked up laws of marriage, abortion, sex, etc are almost entirely religion-motivated'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you got it? you got the good?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I /AM/ the good.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'throw me a bag up on auction...im fienin man!  fienin!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'don't blame the religion, blame the people for believing in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I blame both.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the first political structures used religion as a base, that is why you have all that, Vakieh. No big deal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No big deal? What do you think will happen if Santorum wins the US election? Have you HEARD his views?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Theocracies were the common political fares until relatively recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Are you atheist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'santorum = asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Because you blame religion for corrupting the world all it has done is to try and fix the world from corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does religion have to do with god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Its not necessarily god'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fix the world? From the Crusades to Terrorism, the worst atrocities I can think of were ALL religion's fault. And by religion I include both the belief and the people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you ask if I were an atheist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am an athiest, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so god is in the discussion per force :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some slight agnosticism about the whole deal, but without proof religion can go fuck itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see the dalai llama saying to go out and kill people and stuff like that, he usually uses common sense, acceptance and patience as his speeches that i heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'In general I was asking that question'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you do evil in the name of 'religion' its still evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all religious leaders (or maybe even him in secret, maybe he is an all around good guy though) are benevolent in intention or precaution though'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And it is still religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do anything in the any of something it is still that thing, yes ;)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'evil trumps religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it is not religion, is is an act excused by religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Why blame religion?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No True Scotsman. If religion facilitates an act, it is at LEAST partially responsible for that act.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody is blowing themselves up without the belief in an awaiting bevy of sex slaves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm still trying to figure that out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, how can religious people drop atomic bombs? I mean, what religion condones murder? (Forget about the followers of Kali :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet, they do. Because there are convenient loop holes just for that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not get racist, Vakieh..,'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea im not gonna try to justify that one'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think hindu's have something to do with warfare?  possible i guess, but i wouldn't villify them all'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who said race? Been plenty of Christian fundies killing people too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I meant don't think about the followers of Kali because they do think that murder is a religious :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pick a religion, and I'll show you some crazy shit followers have done. At least the Buddhists only kill themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i only heard of one hindu group that was militant in my life, and it happened to be a elder taking advantage of youths heads and brainwashing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I think you might be stepping on your own toes Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thugs strangling people with black silk cords :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they will not be able to justify their actions come judgement day'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was my point, Vakieh. The religion didn't dictate the behavior, the behavior was excused by the use of religion. Not the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Religion being an excuse means religion is culpable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you really that dense?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No religon = no act. Therefore religion can be blamed for the act.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, no religion, no excuse. Not the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No excuse generally means people don't do it. Not to mention the MYRIAD of times people have had religion as a motivator, which is a whole other bag of cats.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you underestimate man's ability of self-justification. If it wasn't religion, something else would make the act not only tolerable, but perferable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'To say that "god told me to do it" is crap, unless you can prove that A) God exists and B) He will talk to you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Suicide as an act of aggression makes no sense without religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it does, suicide  is the ultimate selfish act, it has nothing to do with religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'kamikazee didnt do it for religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'about the religious arguement though, atheist scientists around the world agree in evolution theories and gradual processes arriving at the reality that sustains life on earth, but all together they work for the industries that go into the unknown, replacing nature with chemistry and machines, toxic waste , filtered water, mineral exhaustion etc, even manipulating the makeup of natural organisms as they arrived at naturally of the course of the evolution theory - all within the course of 150 years of current science, compared to the 575 million they believe life evolved here'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Vakieh since your sure religion is the downfall of many things try looking up what dangerous things a atheist has done I'm not saying that atheists are bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They worshipped the emperor as a god, though, Modi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'unless you consider honor for country religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pakistan and India. Whole issue is religion, the racial/historical differences just aren't there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they didn't consider it  suicide anyway, there was a chance of survival, after all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What has an athiest done in the name of atheism?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is endless things that you can point out to be either proof of their own stupidity and faith in the unknown consequences of their actions that they don't see there, or proof that they're not as atheist as they claim, somehow worshipping a devil or other destructive being'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'athiest dont commit suicide?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They don't commit suicide to kill others'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, Pakistan and India split by using religion as the excuse. The real reason was the development of power structures. With India only you only have one leader. With Inda and Pakistan, you have 2 leaders, and two attendant power structures.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so there are no atheist serial killers?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And how do the power structures control the people? With religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure there are, but they are not serial killers because they are atheists, they are serial killers because they like to kill :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what, Vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im not religious, still under control in many ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There can always be a motivation, and those motivations should be targetted. If religion is a motivator, get rid of it. If something is motivating an atheist to kill, get rid of it. I guarantee it isn't atheism making somebody kill.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Most structures would collapse if religion were subtracted, the leadership could not excuse or mitigate their actions :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'taking away someone's freedom to worship is more satanism than atheism'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Satanism is religion...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'satan is the overse of god :) You can't have one without the other so same rules apply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would outlaw the intrusion of religion into anything BUT religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That I could support, at least until they pay property and income taxes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US secularist movement is fighting a losing battle - the US is heading towards theocracy or destruction.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I doubt it, Vakieh... it's a Mexican stand-off between the various religious. As soon as one tried to move into power, the others would pull them down.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you would only have you to blame for that if you support the movement, or stand by without a fight.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'At least here in Australia, if you name religion as a reason for something you get laughed at and told to fuck off.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you think everyone should be atheist? that is called satanism'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Satanism is the worship of satan...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I think one  should keep one's religion private and not invoke it to justify behavior.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and what does satan want? for no one to worship anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worship is appealing to the desires of your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, Satan doesn't want jack, because he isn't real.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he doesnt want us to worship him, he cant stand us'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the story at least, satan denied that god exists and therefore he must be god, and the other angels maybe agreed with him - except the ones that didn't were led by the god that satan denied and cast to earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I have a problem with authority. I can't seem to be able to bow my head to anyone, be it man or woman, brute or human.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'imo anyone else is at best my equal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's capitalized later in the story in the book of job and other places where satan acknowledges the presence of god as he asks for permission to kill his family, which was satan's bet with god that job would surely deny he exists after that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can you bow your head to ideals? Social motivators?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No need to bow your head to people'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not really. I find them useful until the flaws grow large enough to make them unusable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the other way around'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it is a flawed motivator, change it. Then bow again.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For example, don't murder. No flaws, just bow your head and don't murder.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'worshipping a man is not religion, as i understand it, the first commandment, have no other gods before me'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would have a problem with standing up if the president walked into the room I was in, Vakieh, for instance. That is bowing even though your head is not bent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who stands? I sure don't. Then again, I don't have a president, so...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, if every time I walked in the room he stood up, I would feel compelled to return  the gesture, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And worshipping a man? People worshipped Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'did they now. Where did you hear that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he's a god hybrid '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The same place people talk about him as if he was real'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'only half man'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a postmortem attribute.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'If the world ends who would you blame Vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Vakieh's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, to be fair, the word will end. You can't fight entropy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Depends - how succesful was the drilling expedition to the asteroid?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we all will die, if thats what you mean'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's statistically true, Modi :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'If you die Vakieh where do you think you will go? or you think you have just left???'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The world will end, if not sooner, then when the sun becomes a red giant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however, quantum mechanics predicts that at leat one person will live forever :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe my brain will cease to function.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no witness of red giant sun in recorded history except in interpretation of diagrams and symbols that weren't accompanied by their author'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who knows, there *might* be something. Acting as if it is a foregone conclusion is pretty fucking stupid, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what  red giant sun, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Current projections indicate that while Venus will be totally swallowed, the Earth will merely be baked. Very baked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'according to calculations, M1, the crab nebula, was the star that went nova during the birth of Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think putting faith in the idea that human's will outlive the sun whose burning out is mankind's greatest enemy isn't the best thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's before the sun goes nova, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it does take peoples mind off of the apparent world much like religion does'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'lets just move our water to mars and go there:p'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares the suns gunna burn out.. lets kill the world before it's too late'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mars will also be baked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, given enough time humans will  move off the earth, for no other reason that it will have turned it into a poison swamp.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you mean like a moon base?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'How do you think life was placed on this Planet the big bang is only a theory so is global warming'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's pretty bad tidings for the future to have a entire generation of over 7 billion people with that mindset on reproducing into the future, which is made nonexistant by the trends you feed them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a parent or society etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'more than that, given enough time human ingenuity will figure out how to actually live elsewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think the word 'theory' means what you think it means, Fravardin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'global warming is happening, i think thats proven'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But as a race we've only been around for a few tens of thousands of years. It will be billions before the sun goes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life can be as simple as growing your own community gardens in multiple places so that one will grow regardless and living in relative ease'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gravity is only a theory. Go jump of a building and see how you fare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Modi, but I am one of those who believes that it is cyclic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want a book, write one, go to the library etc, there's ways to curb destruction at several avenues'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that were are not helping it along :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well.. the coastal cities ought to be worried either way'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed, Ice Ages occur for all sorts of reasons, like asteroids hitting. The next one will probably be due to carbon gasses.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world leaders don't give a shit about coastal cities, big oil they say, like people couldn't get by without driving 20 miles a day and spending 2 hours in traffic 120 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you look at what the last ice age did, only people in Mexico and lower latitudes will survive :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'It is a theory how do you know the earth isn't just changing its weather patters'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if fuel consumption was limited to priority and things were more localized then people wouldn't have to drive as much, you need fuel maybe for agriculture to some degree, as it's phased out in place of non-destructive alternatives'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I do so love when Fundies pull out the 'its just a theory' card :-P Reminds me how moronic they are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what  "cyclic" means, Fravardin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Geology suggests it is indeed cyclic'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Plus we are still in an ice age... Ice age is a period where there are continents of ice'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doesn't mean we should assist the descent'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat. Are you for serious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Greenland and the two poles'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Go back to school.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler looks dreamily vacant, no doubt thinking of a glass of koolaid.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, an ice age is when glaciers cover a majority of the land masses... not just having some snow around.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea weather is crazy enough, without however much water the poles will add'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the last ice age, there was a land bridge between Europe and the Americas. I see no land bridge.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Please, throw some more of your Sunday School learnings up here for me to laugh at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'saturday already ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how many people in the world today can't picture the world without the use of some destructive practice as a fundamenal element of their lives?  that number will increase with the population and sooner or later anybody who sees otherwise will be destroyed - like a dragon protecting his treasure from the sun'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Awwwww, fundie ran away...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'data not consistent with known natural cyclical temperature change rates'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have to be gentle with them , just till you get em enraged/hooked on an undefendable idea :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol :-) Ummm...gay sex is AWESOME! Discuss'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm tired of you Vakieh all you do is blame blame blame the world it the way it is no 1 man can change it'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you have to know what you're doing'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'glad you found something you're good at'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'any sex can be bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tired of me? You mean you have no evidence, and when challenged you run back to the priest who tells you the devil made me do it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wonder if cleopatra did well with her bees'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm...no 1 man can change it...not even Jesus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, absorption spectra and rates of CO2 well known'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone written an athiest religon yet ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Apparently there is no Jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'confucious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Atheism is not a religion, and needs no writing'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you guys are wasting alot of time on here if you aren't getting paid to play like me *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'religion is just a way to say belief'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you believe in nothing, its still religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey fundie, if god exists, why does he hate African kids? I mean, seriously, one of them HAS to be pissed, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea! screw African kids!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'what what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did one of them eat pork? Or have sex before a Christian priest could sail over and marry them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They sure got the short end of the stick, eh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'they had fried chicken'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps persecution makes you stronger ? might be doing em a favour ? or perhaps god is really the god of antelope and humans don't factor in much ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And what about somebody born into a Muslim home. If Allah is the right one, well, they got lucky, didn't they. But if the correct god is Christian they are pretty much fucked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Hahah, I like that idea. "Sorry, it was all about antelope"'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If God is the God of the antelope, he is losing to the God of the lions :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there is no right/wrong god, just good/bad people'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im bad to the bone'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bad people? Like a 4 year old kid who hasn't had a meal in a month? What did he do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'an innocent'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This god seems like a asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'an*'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to believe any known religion's god is the right one'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i am not a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'believe it or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a mean streak but i'm not a bad person, and i haven't hurt a single person physically in over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe god thinks we're the assholes for not helping them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So he is punishing them for our mistakes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, he sounds like an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he's not punishing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They haven't eaten, and he is omnipotent. Thus asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ask the lion god , he just thinks assholes are the chewwy bits :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'god's work here is done, its on us now'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So he set the world up to cause this (being omniscient) - knowing what would happen. Still an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'he lives in our smartphones ...end of discussion!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Siri is god?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'thats why they're always dying...for our sins'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is able to help, but unwilling, he is malevolent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'phone batteries that is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is unable to help, but willing, why call him a god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stop giving our future overlords ideas'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is able to help, and willing, why is there evil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is unable to help, and unwilling, he is useless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'he is willing only if you ask him'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'god read too much Volitare :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'All 4 of those statements have been known since Classical Greece, and as yet there are NO good explanations.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'because we are here to be tested?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Are you telling me not ONE child starving in Africa has not been prayed for, or asked for god's help personally?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and evil exists because we let it'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you are then you are more of an idiot than I thought.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if man's made in his own image and his vain imagination provides him with a sage on which he draws his fantasies to indulge in, and man is but a thought of god on god's stage of thing's except on a level incomprehensible by his thoughts, and man's thoughts can't comprehend the mind that placed them there in quite the same way as man can't comprehend god - then would it stand to reason that searching for either man's stage or his god is an exercise in futility and once realized the dreamer loses interest in his stage?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both good and evil are subject to definitions and are, therefore, subjective by definition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'god can't be blamed because a country is mismanaged that's human error'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a person who thinks a child starving to death isn't evil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God is allpowerful and allknowing, correct? Then EVERYTHING is his fault.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is nature evil ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'the child is innocent!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't met many people who like to imagine that their mind is god and place people into their imagination who will look towards the source of this place they are in, which is the mind of the maker'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i find it hard how god would enjoy worship in any way except through indulgent deeds that stimulate his desire to indulge in his imagination'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if god's considered similarly to how man's mind is concisder'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since god's a fair and just god, doing good things would be a form of worship'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most atheist yet metaphysical understanding of atheist that was more agnostic than not i could come to'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause it doesn't separate the person from the concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'you do remember that humans have a tendency of questioning god but when he does something good they don't care so the children starving aren't his fault why do you think Zimbabwe is in poverty previously they were the bread basket of Africa but thanks to human error by sending away the farmers and putting people that don't know what they are doing they ran the country to the ground (Human error not got)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'are you guys starting to sound like tools debating life on mUdd?  thats a real debate ...and GO!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they'll have a free ticket to heaven, anyway so perhaps they should feel sorry for us'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans are the creation of god. Therefore he is responsible for their errors. Because he 'built' them into us.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Chuck Norris would def handout some asswhoopins to ya pansies'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(if you were a fundie who believed that shit of course)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just sayin'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And as for not giving god credit, have you heard Tebow?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about when cancer gets fixed by chemo? Do people pray to the doctor, or god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pretty sure god couldnt care less about football'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'this conversation is so trivial and played out...seriously out world is not that important...a new level is!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People defending 'god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyway , i dont care, cuz im prob going to hell , so see ya there'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...here, are you all from the US?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'chuck norris is american'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'so you blame god now Vakieh I thought you never believed in god but now you have the tendency of accusing him'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am showing you reasons why god is either nonexistent, or evil. Feel free to pick one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But I should have remembered - you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm not going to accept that pick what you are Vakieh and leave god out of it because you say his not real'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me some evidence, and we can discuss it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you studied theology you might be able to answer those questions , but no point trying to do it for you, '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses his wrath every day. -- apparently his ways of showing it aren't limited by any ways at all, he forms the light and creates the darkness in another passage, also he sends evil angels to be among the children playing in the desert - so evil as perceived by humans is his wrath incarnate in spiritual form punishing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is the Christian god more likely than Zeus, or Odin?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question is, Druzil, what is it meant by "judge"? A judge to a Jew is not the same as a judge elsewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why can't the Bible have been a trick by Loki?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'because loki never existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Myth Vakieh MYTH'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Myth? Like the Bible? Ok.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Ranrr.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fravardin shakes his head.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most myths were born of real people'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is a lightning throwing vengeance filled god less likely than a bush on fire, that talks?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes, but then righteousness, what's that?  in that same book is mentioned that the son shall not be punished for the sins of his father, so with that in mind there's no real justice in children anywhere being punished by god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the bible is not a myth, it's contents, however, are less verifiable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if a supernatural entity does exist, which I see no reason to believe it does, it is most likely not the god of christian/muslim belief, that entity was invented by man'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except from the remotest corners of the mind and imagination that people use to fill in the missing answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'try building a portal into time and your questions shall be answered'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for Zeus as Jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for Zoroastrianism as there is for Islam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Rogues surely got a lot of gold that way when they first started :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster as there is for Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Were not children ofcourse there is not flying spaghetti monster'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'What are we 4?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're not children of course there was no talking snake, or pit of fire, or people with wings'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are wrong about that, Vakieh. Just because you don't believe in the divine Jesus, as I do not, doesn't mean he didn't exist, albeit without divinity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if methusaleh lived to be 850-950 years old and the oldest humans might make 117 years old today very few of them, then i'd say most of us are just like children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You see the similarity? And yes Ana, I was meaning the divine Jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their counting system was a bit off, Druzil :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine living for 950 years, there would possibly be no subject in use by man on earth that you wouldn't be a master in by age 500'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont think so either vakieh, cant take things written thousands of years ago and translated dozens of times so litterally'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So I can pick my own religion? Why bother having a Bible at all then?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe 'god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe 'god' was a mistranslation of 'Strength of the Human Spirit'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'because every religion has its own book'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or perhaps 'god' was the cavemen's word for the Aliens?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Modi, but Iosephus, which arugably was the highest regarded historian of the times, accepts the existence of Jesus, though he was a new-born at the time of Jesus' death.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why not write your own book? Be just as potentially accurate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Fine then write us a bible on atheism the'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like Ron L. Hubbard....'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that could be said about any history, Vakieh. Yet, people do major in history, don't they? So some history books are acceptable for consumption now as it was then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and they all teach the same thing, that evil destroys the soul, and good will conquer all'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes, history. I have studied it, and if you bring up a religious text as anything more than a treatise on religious practice, you get laughed at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to say "I believe in this history, but I don't believe in that other because it isn't convenient to me" is rather hypocritical... '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'humans are sieves - you need to remind them how to live- religons do this - <---usefull for 95% of the population '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why bother associating with the historians who laugh at you then?  everything's valid in the world of the unknown, which history mostly is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'right now were laughing at you Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't believe the Bible because its sources are not reputable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard a authoritative historian discussing genghis khan as though he didn't deviate from how historian said his thoughts and actions were, to the T'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the other 5% use religon/belief to aid in spiritual/higher practices '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who is laughing at me? People who believe in God? I can handle that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, the bible exists so your lack of belief is inconsequential. Though  if you are referring to its contents, that's another subject altogether.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though I think laughing at me sends you to hell...who knew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i was thinking he should be acknowledging that he doesn't know but with the evidence concluded these things instead - he's not paid for that, he's paid to say that's exactly how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Bible *is* its contents'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the bible is a book with content.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'so is harry potter and the sorcerer's stone'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any text is its interpretation and implementation ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to say "I don't believe in the bible" is to say "I don't believe the book exists"'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'the Bible is in every religion not only one '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the content is a message, do what is right, all people know the difference between right and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What purpose does separating the entity from its contents serve? I believe neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you dont , then you are mentally ill'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Bible exists, but I believe it fiction.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the bible contained blank pages it would still be an existing book, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Modi, what is wrong with homosexuality? Or not getting married? Different people have different ideas on right and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does it matter if/how the 'Bible' exists, it is irrelevant to anything. What matters is the contents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats wrong is that you cant create children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who cares?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh wait, 'God' cares'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'jacking off doesn't create children either'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if the bible is fiction to the intellectual elite - where did the take the naming of their meetings from, the G-summit , this sounds like a mountain top yeah?  Baphomet the mountain goat?  maybe.. or else Moses talking with the angels on the flaming mountain that could not be touched, surrounded by flames and smoke etc - riot police with handguns beating on protestors, the men are flames is a verse somewhere in the bible, although out of context of this metaphor possibly - as the entire bible is a fiction to them maybe that doesn't apply'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats just as wrong as homosexuality'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak laughs at Modi mercilessly.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Should sterile people be virgins forever?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'except that it doesnt spread disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who says it's wrong? And what evidence does it have?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but together it can appear that if not a stage of what the bible meant by their saying, at least it is either an interpretation or a uncanny reality that is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what spreads disease? Condom-less sex. I wonder who is to blame for that?.......'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Modi's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'if masturbation is wrong then you're gonna be pretty lonely up there'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'phobias are subjective, Modi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'this debate is going no where were back on the bible case which was the first subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...Frav finds a topic distasteful, and one in which all of his arguments are bullshit...and so tries to shift it back to a moot point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Then carry on your argument I'm not stopping you I'm just saying no one is going to win'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'through all the other things we all debated about were back at the beginning which is the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'isn't there a quote about winning arguments on the internet and the special olympics?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then for the conspiracy to continue, for our god is an all consuming fire is a verse in the bible - to analogize this into the real world there is dictator world domination N.W.O kind of groups to consider, and the desire for their riot police to take over the entire world so that nowhere will their mountain be touched'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I am of the belief, that "god" and "satan" were two factions of an extra planetary presence on Earth :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe that spirituality is possible also the unknown, i can prove that by not knowing a bunch of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'sounds an awful lot like scientology'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's also human's and deception to consider'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the best thing about scientology is the chicks that they use to recruit you :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'your moms a scientologist'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'flirty fishing , been done before ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, it's quite pleasant and you can make it last as long as you want :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how much revenue scientology pulls in these days...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot less than the Catholic Church :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was just thinking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Per member a LOT higher though :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Catholic Church is the #1 corporation in the world :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but... how large is the gap?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the have over 1B members, Vakieh, they don't have to give much :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But think when Scientology grows to 1B :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doubt it very much'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not many kids escaping Scientology Parents lately'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the marilyn manson song, without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all - without the existance of a enemy church on earth the rich one wouldn't have as much of a excuse why it's rich and would also have alot more eyes monitoring how that money is spent - as it is it's protection 'by god' spending itself on who knows what, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like the idea of churches built by communities of individuals who aren't controlled by a centralized god dispenser'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's gonna be churches, could be like city halls too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sc won tax-exempt in 1993 and quit filing revenue reports... it's estimated to be around 500m a year. In 2001, the Catholic church was estimated to pull in about 100b a year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if their numbers grow extreme, those that feel a threat will likely take extreme measures'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sc does a lot of weird investments and stuff too, like producing movies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government taxes them for electricity and other things, why not provide free candles and wood to burn as a community to disconnect them from that grid, and make the insurance company cover in the event it burns down lest it loses all of your community members investments'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell, the community could build it without the use of a contractor even, charity work, and maintain it etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am glad you have a taste for Medieval social structures, Druzil :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think things that people do together to build have more sentimental value than mysticism provides from a stranger'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think the problem IS that people put too much sentimental value into their work :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think people who administer the automotive assembly lines put alot of feelings into the work the machines that they orchestrate produce?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or other stuff like that, it's different than if somebody was to kill an animal, skin an animal, dry it's hide and make you a pair of moccasins with his wife decorating them for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'so basically the amish'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why people find artifacts and souveniers so neat, they're not production line depersonalized junk'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not into the machines, into the fact that they derive power from their job :) If they behaved like the machines, things would go better, not to mention they would be more productive :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no system involvement at all since the application has no entry in the registry.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am i still here ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '22 std drinks - here'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dru ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Superman > Batman?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Batman's only power is being rich.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christ > Superman ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He could afford a bit of krypto, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'We did the bible for like 5 hours last night, let's talk about something important.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Could Batman have stopped Doomsday?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, whilst Christ was killed by a couple of nails, it took Doomsday to kill Superman. They both resurrected, and Superman got more than 3 days out of it, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Anyone read the wired story with Stellar Wind updates?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Kony video maker Jason Russell faces weeks in hospital http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17468999 that's odd isn't it?  they act like he's starstruck, instead of questioning whether or not he's been receiving death threats and visits from local gangsters connected to the criminal he documented - maybe that's the extent of it, but i wouldn't doubt it if his wife's just afraid to speak of the people who caused that scene'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'didnt he get out of the psych ward yet?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, i just reading it now'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i heard they dumped him in a psych ward when he claimed that a foreign dictator sent goonsa fter him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, so the people putting him in a psyche ward maybe are on his payroll then'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was running around naked in d/t San Diego :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, most shrinks are used to hearing the ' they're out to get me speech''
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from people who have ample evidence to support their claims?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so what, san diego is full of gay men that enjoy the sight of naked stars running around'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil juries review evidence, not cops or shrinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well even if that is true, he is no star :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'san diego's full of shemalse and people who walk around naked all the time isn't it?  maybe that's just what the tv says'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if hes no star, then they ought not publish so much about him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see why that would raise an alarm'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil yes, it is. '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they also have a huge problem with drunk driving and cops that use meth'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have one of the nations lowest prices per chip of cocaine too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but thats not to say it couldnt just be from low demand o.O'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the department of justice publishes figures of national drug intelligence that have price listings'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the american drug enforcement agency also seizes drug shipments off the coast of panama, preventing them from being smuggled into the USA, and then flies them to miami florida for examination'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that sounds cheaper than shipping them to florida'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it takes a real fool to believe that them cops don't sell what they're paid to prevent sale of'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or somebody who trusts the system anyways, i'm not one of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil there's a fine line between delusional paranoia, and regular paranoia'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too fine to make a difference :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos how come they dont arrest people for running around naked in alaska, but they do in san diego?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you were a cop selling drugs getting paid by the tax payer and the addict and his suppliers and you had all kinds of money to spend on professionals to represent your hiding place, anything that leans towards you being what you were would be considered paranoia or anything else they're paid to parrot'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all it takes is a view of the hazing process and the smut they make people go through to get an education in america, and you see who fills the shoes of your authority figures'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that falls more in the realm of guilty conscience :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing new the criminals/cartels wearing police uniforms and stuff like that, plenty of cases in phillipine's and some other nations going on today - plus apparently just south of the mexican border for 5-6 years their police force was exclusively criminals, gotta be pretty stupid to not see the same being possible in your own state'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that one some national geographic show'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil americans are too honest for that to happen here.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was phillipeans, there was a few nations mentioned - cops doing drive by shootings, disposing of bodies and all kinds of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its not hard to dispose of a body'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even killing prominent members of society's children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil nod... thats why rich people hire private security'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'harder to get away with it, though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans not if you're the cop that looks for the guy'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always someone else watching you, though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, not according to druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's my belief that the highest seats of authority on earth are corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and with the eye of eyes being rotten i don't have much faith in other than individual deviancy from not seeing corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil do you think crooks trust cops more than you do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it a good thing to mass-advertise (through university participation campaigning, etc) the islamic religion, when such a firm line is cast between unbelievers and infidels?  i can understand a church separating their belief from others, but checking the news i see that everywhere where islam is majority religion -everywhere- any members of any other faith or minority population is eradicated over time - to me it's similar to intellectual racism, as peoples thoughts on religion are usually not divinely inspired but given to them by another person or his writings, i don't see what's so holy about this hatred compared to racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a good debate topic imo, i lived around christians and freemasons and members of all kinds of religions my whole life, even some islamic people - but none of them ruled the streets with their god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not even the ones that worship money or mammon?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money yeah, most people call it foolishness to draw a connection between the economy and religion though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well even clint eastwood in the pale rider says that you cannot serve both mammon and god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my favourite eastwood movie might be the preacher, or is that the same one?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where i discovered there's actually an american law professor who's surname is lawless - from glancing at the credits'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the one where he takes a big ole pickaxe and breaks a rock?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is whitehorse northwest territories symbolic of the revelation in the bible?  yellowknife and great slave lake - i wonder if the naming scheme of places on earth tells a story'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yellowknife has navajo right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sheen no, thats what he said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe, there's slave lake in alberta, but great slave lake northeast of there somewhere - supposedly indians used to make blades out of copper and it was named after their knives - yellowknife'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Nice. >_>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently alot of them , or maybe all, were relocated or disappeared'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil copper isn't yellow.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i read anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's yellowish :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say whitehorse was named after the rapids of a river before it was dammed in the 1950's, but looking at the symbolic meaning one is Dominant white, a genetic mechanism that produces true white horse on wikipedia'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, what about those 4 horsie merqabaha guys that has death riding a pale horse?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe racist mentality, or there's also the white horse mentioned in revelation - could have been a hyena too couldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not a white horse mentioned in revelation its a pale one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude bonks The Imp Druzil on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a white one too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the name that sat on him was Death...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, i was thinking of the one that makes war on people, all the slave lakes and stuff, who ever decided to name bodies of water slaves?  another verse in the bible is the people are waters'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can keep rolling things like that around in my mind without consequence though, other people might not be able to - i'm always looking for signs of intelligence in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://bible.cc/revelation/6-2.htm this one'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever it says just the figure was what i was thinking of, making war on people enslavery extinction etc, damning a horses mane you name your town after'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'req'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'er mishcan'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think butts are worthwhile subjects to study.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ggz, if you got 300 billion dollars a year in bribes, and a gulf of mexico oil spill only dented 20 billion of your crooked money, imagine what kind of things you could'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody else notice the price of gas doubled to commemorate bp's charitable cleanup bill?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess it's unrelated'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their CEO's got a record breaking holiday bonus that year too'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people should drown in oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( some have... )
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean they're the right ones though'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2012/03/201232015012488911.html check it out though, 300 billion a year in bribles - where they study the blowout preventer is in norway pretty near to their unrelated side-incomes'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the GDP of denmark and their historial porno collections'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'bribery and corruption is pretty much rampant in all countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not in finland. it's kind of creepy, really'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the ultimate in homosexuality to fear a government like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how can somebody call themself a man after being such a coward'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you go out and kill yourself an animal, you can take your time and watch the hope in its eyes that you know you're going to ignore as you finish it off - human's and their government's aren't any different'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't give into the demands of a killer, they're gonna kill you anyways eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prayer is the hope you ignore'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all power on earth is held by satan and his clergy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so god must be the satan of the world since satan's world preaches god'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.fullcontactjousting.com/new-reality-tv-show/ here people ride horses at eachother with a separator down the middle, with steel armor and a long metal shaft they try to knock eachother off'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is this another progress of poverty?  job opportunities of the ancient rome people figure they grew out of'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'restate in less cryptic english'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn how to not give orders'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or are you retarded enough that you actually can't understand that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is this another progress of poverty: learn how to not give orders'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look how to look on the bright side of negativity'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't you like clowns?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if it's considered against the rules to knock your enemies pole out of the way before knocking him out of the way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe use the pole to knock their pole off and pull out a crowbar to finish them off'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ancient rome citizens are extinct, and the job opportunites supplied then (warmongering, hack'n'slash, invasions, enslavement, tribute, lead poisoning, bad religions, etcetera) are not appropriate these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah really, but those things still exist.. poverty is the reason america and so many other places has so much soldiers - and the job opportunies taht follow a person with service records'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so restate in proper english (and do not end statement with a preposition)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it wasn't for poverty and people were well off they'd be less likely to piss into their community well and fill it with pesticides while selling their village to australia mining companies and getting replaced with immigrants'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of courses of rational negativity that are actually real which can be seen to contradict the world has evolved theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not fighting to defend what they already have, they're fighting to have something to defend, which is their job - fighting'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus things like the video games and mass-media brainwash people into thinking it's pretty fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very roman and ostragoth'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the people lancing eachother off horses for your history tv priori entertainment had alternatives which were sufficient, would they be doing it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think so, if that armor gives they're impaled'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to make it even more roman, the head of christ lords on earth is the pope in vatican city , the nation in the capital of italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is the first or second largest landowner on the planet - and according to a excerpt from cities of the underworld, america went to war with italy in the 1930's to prevent the mafia from being exterminated by mussolini - while releasing a mob boss from prison for his services into the streets of new york'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so mafia, pope's, america saving the criminals from somebody who doesn't want crooked people running his nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also the time that michaelangelo the sculptor/artist existed painting murals of humiliated slaves on the cistine chapel walls was within 50 years of ivan the red and the cathedral of the assumption he was annointed the russian christ in being built by an italian'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so russia, italy, america, seems they own about everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and poland too, apparently they're very holy there'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the television show dragon's den originated in japan too - why is it now a global standard to have a dragon's den in every media outlet on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind-control on a global level, hitler and stalin used it, so did the inventor of the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my belief - they call it marketing and public demand'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but do you know the names of those upon whom you overlavish praise'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't accuse individuals except as a side effect sometimes or a conditional statement'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that way i don't come up short much, because the problem can always run deeper than the obvious, even if the obvious seems well hidden'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chicken little is scared by a dropped acorn and runs screaming that the sky is falling'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's actually not preposterous at all, watch some axe body spray commercials and tell me those special effects aren't overly violent and evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the goodyear or was it a different company?  beaver doing the double tap heil salut'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and refuses to name the acorn lest he come up short'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so joke of the nazi germany salute demonized in the media being used in modern advertising for tier companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause the beaver survived so they had a road washed out, naturally nazi's come to mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.yourbizvids.com/view_video.php?viewkey=4b18d14821dc88fea063 bridgestone it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAOsxUseZo last one was incomplete'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does that tell you the directors expect the audience to think when they see that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any identification at all with some famous villains of the modern day?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but were you given permission by the jews to play the nazi card'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i live in canada, i don't need permission from cultures to discuss them - sort of like south park except not used in mockery'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does south park get permission from the canadians to kill them in their childrens cartoons?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'children in Canada receive special exemptions'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i wasn't even discussing jews was i?  seems roma people and other people thought pretty lowly of germans too'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, well if you want to come play nazi hunter on me go right ahead, i'm only separated by half a century'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come you don't play nazi hunter on the director of that video?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade liked the poster of the S Perls poem placed under a hansome picture of Adolf
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'handsome'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil:  Quote -h 12'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not bad i guess, although i don't idolize people'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do you place those words below his picture?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'especially when they're possibly very evil types of people that make me sick, i'll discuss them but i don't validate them, that's up to god in my opinion cause he knows it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'f s perls was a jew that authored that poem included at the front of his book on Gestalt psychology'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you seem to wield adolf hitler like a priest wields hellfire, condemning the unbelievers to death that he can't see himself, but using their ignorance as a weapon'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheists and priests got some things in common'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'antitheist would be more accurate though'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see, i never read that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to get a copy of the poem required visiting second hand bookstores to purchase that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with a fact like that though, mussolini wanted to remove mafia corruption from italy which america released a mob boss from prison to defy before making war on them - what other facts are out there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was no internet then'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people think of world war 2 as nothing but the good guys destroying the murderers - but people aren't taught of holodomor, great purge and the adjacency of poland to germany either'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with possible facts like that out there, there might be alot more to it than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'today murderes exist too you know, same with evil politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herr G W Bush was evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the Stasi german police - never heard of that until i seen it on aljazeera'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their crimes went unaccounted for to this day, and their members went on to occupy over 15,000 seats of authority within germany, not including where else they went'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Winston Churchil was a war criminal (in the version of the past where england lost WWII)"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he was the one who ordered the bombing of the civilian population of dresden in response to coventry'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he didn't attack the military infrastructure surrounding the city, or the industrial complexes, the civilians'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'antitheists are different to rabid atheists'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'antitheists develop the truths that most atheists repeat'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they are theory's and comparisons of variable way's of considering those theories'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'atheists and theists are similar in that their beliefs are based upon faith'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does holocaust guilt sell tires?  i mean, that bridgestone commercial has nadda, absolutely no reason at all to include that scene '
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very few to no people alive today had anything at all to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what commercial are you watching??'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAOsxUseZo on the canadian mass-media at least in between nearly every television show break'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since it's a superbowl commercial too it's not limited to airing here'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it bothers me because it doesn't belong'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there no other way to sell tires?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not sure how that relates to the holocaut.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at the beaver's salute and compare it to the nazi reel's they played you on television'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the man returing it, and pointing the finger before the ending'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's only one modern place where that salute is identified with, and that's in 1930-1940 germany'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a television commercial from 2011 - 70 years hence'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are the advertisers trying to tell people about their tires, and were the elements they selected the most natural ones?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thats a fist bump to the chest then pointing to the other character. I think many black people use that for saying they care about the other person.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example of brainwashing was why i mentioned it in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he could sell snow cones to an eskimo yeah, how about tires to a jew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'd think their CEO would consider that and have revoked that commercial in his business strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would he revoke a commercial that doesn't even remotely resemble sieg heil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love my heritage, i can make fun of the nazis, holocaust and slavery because "you weren't there"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is there actually commercial where some characters are sieg-heiling or is druzil off his meds again?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abelinc see's the similarity but he's on his corporate meds'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they are doing the pound heart with fist and point thing, although the beaver does look a little like the heil hitler thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think druzil doesn't have any black friends'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the guy doing it keeps his elbow tucked into his body...the beaver's arms are too stubby to be able to tell what he's doing if he does it like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'nothing watching the NBA couldn't fix.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd have a better case for calling sieg heil when a baseball player points to the outfield to call a homer'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look up the definition of holocaust in the bible too, another element of the commercial is a torrential flood - which happens to be one of the meanings of the word'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the dictionary*'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'interesting...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at her saying.
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, what's the demonic meaning behind this ad then? '
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'divine it for yourself, i said what i find strange about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm going to go with "off the meds"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another explanation is "on crack"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another estimation is you're my mortal enemies'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, druzil has his "natural high"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll fix that one day'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'epic showdown?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'until the end of time, you'll never break me'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't break something that's already fractured into 1,000 pieces'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't appreciate the holocaust talk tho, my grandpa died in a concentration camp'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just too bad, maybe he should have killed you instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fell down from the guard tower and broke his neck :('
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if your grandpa wasn't anything like you'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you seem to appreciate the bridgestone commercials'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want to see an ongoing crime against humanity then you don't have to look far'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wouldn't know. haven't watched tv for 10 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do like nazi jokes tho'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're the only one that lost somebody in the world war 2 era is your nazi jokes against anybody not your jew self'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just funny like how many canadians and americans went over there by force to save your ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you and your mock of a heart think you're some great savior god's against the retributioned enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck that, you and your shit can go straight to hell if it doesn't shit you'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, you seem to have missed that dagnir's placing himself on the other side of the war...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'we really need a "rambling monologue" channel on here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'save my ass? hehe, i don't think you're familiar with european history'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so he's a nazi then'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that what you're saying?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he seems to think that cause his grandpa died he has the liscence to mock your life'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not many jews were on the watchtowers that I know of'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe. i found a picture of a guy in a nazi uniform among family photos i inherited. no idea who he was'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he's mocking you, not my life :-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evil for him, death's just a pulse away'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and well, the americans and canadians didn't do dick for us'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure we did...we fucked yer wimmins'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not ours'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... it seems to me like the floridan law is saying that, among other things, if two people get into a fight, they both have the right to kill each other, regardless of who started it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is that this guy that chased and killed the unarmed guy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And if so, the law actually states "A white man may kill a black man, and it's all good" oh wait, no it doesn't...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'say hanslanda, do you think that its possible for an anti semite to still be a psychiatrist even with all of freud's contributions to psychiatry?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Freud is just one small part of the field.  Probably so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? who else is big in psychiatry? wentz?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anti semite is pulled out like a wet blanket. Saying you don't like xxx person, who happens to be a Jew, is enough for an anti semite label, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Loewi. But he was also a jew.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Psychiatrists are Psychologists who can give you drugs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, if somebody's an asshole with money he can use the media and his lawyers and judges and everybody to shape the thoughts of you in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Saying you hate black people is enough to be a racist. Should the bar really be set any higher?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Black people? Or *a* single person, who happens to be black'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Taking 2 minutes to find out you dislike someone isn't the same as instantly deciding the same thing based on their appearance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the black people I know hate niggers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The *worst* thing about niggers ... The *WORST* thing... (I love Chris Rock.)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Did you see that video of Katt Williams taking that Mexican dude apart?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That was pretty awesome of him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is he back to Katt now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dirkdiggler, zade, abelinc, dagnir, vampiredude, godot, atticus, wyverex, zade and a few others all seem to belong to a hate-group'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's definitely racist, nationalistic etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't know he was anything else... I may be calling him by the wrong name if he's changed it recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or is he still using his raghead name?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're like that, if you discuss something right away they'll say you're racist even though it had nothing to do with racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they block your thoughts with fear of being perceived as racist in their minds which are all racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Racism is stupid. But if that's how you feel, own it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a survival mechanism'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'killing kittens because you can isn't survival'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it all boils down to which king you'd rather not offend.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow.... druzil grouped me into a hate group just for asking him about leviticus 20:6 ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh well, my ego seems intact'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude leaves to go see the film.
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interesting how zimmerman is reported as white in some articles, hispanic in others, and white hispanic in yet others. Wonder if it has any correlation to left/right/moderate stances in the respective outlets...'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many jobs per person will there be in automated 2021?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how long until the.. final solution?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it won't get that bad, the possibilities are endless'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be more poverty, that's for sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, not lookin good from here'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'assisted suicide seems to be legalized in quebec now, for individuals who can't deal with the pain psyhologically or physically'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as judged by a doctor/professional'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lord falconer got his hands in britains before that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'organ donation is mandatory and you have to be aware of it before opting out in some places there - so the organ traders might see some psychological torment where there is none'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i guarantee if that unlikely conspiracy possibility became a reality, nobody would be monitoring the people who do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not many luddites left in the world, they had their heads on straight though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had a government budge here this week'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's jitters in the catoon bonkers, his favourite saying was 'just kill me', i bet they didn't see that becoming other than a demand back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's more important things than removing the chiefs of the people who lead them to that 2021 problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't make much sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world is ripe for revolution'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't feel so badly towards things like skyscraper farming using artificial lighting etc, if they weren't making that neccessary - if they were using the resources responsibly that are already available and making their man-made solutions as efficient as possible - but they really don't do that in the least, they destroy nature and then find solutions to keep on destroying it and pave what's already gone while making money'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's not that important'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so with cuts to social programs (which are largely due to most people not being rich) being hte main priority of every single politician on earth, catering to privatization while natural resources are fenced off or made toxic - what does that say about the automated 2021 and the jobs that won't exist for the people who seem to be increasing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'britta water filters are a nice solution so far, but they can easily raise the price on those and up the security at the doors'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a sad coincidence having african poverty commercials played on television while your own bleeding heart society degrades into the condition they mourned'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and really, it's a very few individuals who are to blame, while several are clueless'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is true they make natural resources toxic that are in the public domain, there's a current example in a pulp mill in one south american nation who's chemicals flow downstream and make the villagers sick in the neighbouring nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bangladesh also had their water toxified by industry - which both were monitored by the UN and found not guilty'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the us and canadian governments allow armed agents of monsanto chemical and seed company to -beyond a doubt- plant evidence that they later discover on farmer's crops if farmer's don't use their product and pay them a yearly royalty on their yield'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they sometimes burn down 2 barns and shop in a single week'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cops don't see anything strange about it, in the same time frame when the farmer said no to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: '"plant evidence". I see what you did there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'YOU KNOW WHATS HILARIOUS?  Druzil has ME ignored....hahaha  I dunno why I havnt ignored him yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i think his rants are amusing and then i still get the talk trash outloud about him and he can't see it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'And there is no 'planting' of evidence. Cross-pollination of crops happens via nature. '
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of The Imp Druzil.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Doesn't make masanto any less of a devil though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, nature has a way of costing farmers upwards of 500,000 dollars and all they own in court'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause the court always cides with the bleeding heart of poor monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cross polilnation is only one way as well, there's also artificial pollination where those agents do what i said and dust the plants themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you prove they weren't just randomly cross-pollinated or forcefully by the people who the court cides with?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they have 5000 more acres of land to play on'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't read of a single case where monsanto lost in court more than they had to gain by winning'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even got away with not paying the vietnam soldiers for handling the agent orange herbicide they were ordered to spray'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i read anyways, lots about it on the internet'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also they say the FDA didn't acknowledge records of their evidence against a decision on several occasions while their administration were shareholders in monsanto, apparently it's a hit with judges and all kinds of scientists'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a federal company paid too much to make sure your food and water and stuff is safe for human use and the environment working for monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody even questions exxon and the supreme court of the USA about the 20 billion dollar grievance allowance owning since 1989 being reduced to 500 million in 2005-2006'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think i'm the only one who i ever seen mention it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beyond the media which didn't make the observations or ask the questions'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world's ran by the devil and everybody knows it then i prefer that corruption is practiced openly and there's no laws left'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since i see people in charge of everything getting away with breaking the law on a regular basis in very large numbers, the law only seems to exist to protect the criminals'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and your mom'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody in the history of the USA was convicted of treason'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was charged though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most nations are like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'your mom druzil...your mom'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler  knows Druzil had Dirkdiggler on the ignore list
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(i mean the tops)'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no surprise though, both hitler and stalin walked away from their crimes without punishment'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'within their own nations at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're sending your nation's men and women to war over foreign oil agreements signed 55 - 70 years earlier, you're probably aiding a foreign government in overthrowing your own'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ESPECIALLY if that fact isn't stated plainly for all to hear'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that the case?  demonization occurred from the outside'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Some experts claim this abundance of oil played into United States and its allies' decision to wage the 1991 Persian Gulf War and challenge Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in subsequent years. http://articles.cnn.com/2003-03-10/us/sprj.80.1938.oil_1_saudi-arabia-petroleum-standard-oil?_s=PM:US'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's in the 1930's when the president of the USA signed a contract with them - strait of hormuz is what the same thing's about - that's what's good about american life yeah, you live in america and don't consume a drop of oil from saudi arabia or those regions but you go there and keep it flowing'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think they can't produce their own oil and stuff?  that makes no sense, making war purely over greed'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I rubbed oil on your mom druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they infiltrate all governments through it, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the people doing most of the dying receive nothing good for their services'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think all wars on earth today are founded on corruption and human weakness'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(for the exploitation)'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'druzil it doesnt bother you that I'm having an affair with your mother?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea I didnt think so'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also these FARC rebels i hear of in the news sometimes, they challenge soldiers - except the soldiers they challenge work for oil corporations and their interests - and their government supports the interests of the oil company above it's own citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the media sees it the way of the government and corporation - knowing full well how little human life is worth to them that isn't their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the price of fuel goes up the more land producing it you conquer too, isn't that funny'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada consumes 5-10% of it's yearly production of fuel but pays more for it than america does, which exports over 40% of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'import*'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'export's probably accurate too since canadian government might all belong to the group that runs america and be selling it to themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil, do you think that mexico is better off now that president obredagon is dead?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how would he know, just because you were born during that era doesn't everyone else was :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doesn't mean*'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, how do i spell pleistocene?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why are you asking, you already spelled it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plastecine.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did i spell it the way i ought? or the way i ought not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Pleistocene is correct'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it more fun to convert to catholicism, black hatted buddhism, red hatted islam, orthodox judaism, or orthodox christianity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was thinking more along the lines of zen S&M'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nah, that wouldnt be fun for anyone'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if the massochists enjoy it, the sadists suffer, and if the sadists enjoy it, the massochists suffer'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it just wouldnt work out well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos so let's cotemplate religiosly instead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written in the bible 'thou shalt not tempt the lord thy god', and 'they tempted the lord to anger' but no band wrote a song called either - odd isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude idly notes that this seems like a music channel topic.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe proof of a cult behind the metal industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(that's possibly representing the god they blaspheme in the lyrics)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oladon asks me where the lyrics are when i discuss things like this'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is the question i'm talking about, where are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind control cult church devil worship music connections'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and black batteries, like if the church professing god is the source of the lyrics blaspheming the idea and the idea isn't directly challenged in their music - the source a black magic'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you keep a little hidden and reveal as much to gain the assumtion they're in control'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have the good and the evil worshipping you is the name of that game, it's been done before'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people been into devil worship, from criminal bosses to politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible, that's all i'm saying'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody wrote a book about human batteries (the faithful) giving their energy to the priest who's god is unknown to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so even if they was good, it's possible there's some flaws in their belief and through them the priest brings them to satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... instead of a debate with 2 or more persons... we have a soliloquy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to not trust priests without reason, and then challenge their reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we is you, what would you call a four way monologue?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i could be imprisoned in a nushell!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or are you speaking for the military group you're sitting with?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yet count myself king of infinite space...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'were it not that i have bad dreams'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why don't you like to discuss what i'm talking about?  the core of human belief too deep for you, maybe you get along keeping it hidden?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you got a mock for everything else'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh i just dont like discussing with people that put you on ignore because they won the last argument ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't win any arguement, i put you on ignore because you seem to be the same soul as godot and a few others'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i did win the argument.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't win nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes i did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nutshell... i meant nutshell... imprisoned in a nushell... what is that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura some nutshells contain cyanide, so there's always a way out'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it's the best soliliquoy of them all... hamlet's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i prefer dromio's soliloquy '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura which one of us is spelling it wrongly?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i am... but dromio?  never heard of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dromio, he's this dude in a play by shakespeare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'who was also a dude'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'dromio, oh dromio, wherefore art thou dromio?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no ^_^  wrong one that's romeo'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dromio is in the comedy of errors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you fall short of anything but land-titles and praising european dictators, that's funny'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i pick all of your friends out a crowd based on your personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, well i pick your personality based on the answer key to the minnesota multiphasic personality index #2!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're a 76/67!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude points excitedly at The Imp Druzil!
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man-made wisdom test'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'okay, give me a couple lines of dromio's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's gotta make you smart, under the roof of what you think is somebody elses mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura ' Sir, I am Dromio, take him away. ''
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's from the soliloquy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then Dromio says  ' Nay Sir, I am dromio, pray let me stay . ''
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no its one of dromio's lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you didnt say to recite a soliloquy, you said to give you two of his lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see... so far, i prefer hamlet's soliloquy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Mischance and sorrow go along with you!  Heart's discontent and sour affliction be playfellows to keep you company!  There's two of you... the devil make a third, and threefold vengeance tend upon your steps!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause there's a we you see, that's pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're trying to say their computer program's manking's only hope of salvation now, for real, cause web bot predicted 9/11 attacks 3 months before it even happened'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so now everything must pass through an ipod to be transmitted to a nearby radar station sent to your local supercomputer for analyses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can think you can write god down on a screen but i think you're full of shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even put wireless access points on homeless people in texas and say it's good use of the poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sick bunch of retards'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more money's spent on threats from solar radiation than on job creation, cause web bot is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggot world, i hope yellowstone national volcano blows a gasket'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like to see ethiopea implode in places and suck israel down too'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good old mantle crusting satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're so homosexual you worship the things your male-god thinks of (this computer)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like not even worshipping the sentient shit that plops from his ass but his thought of a shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of gay intellectual idiots'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll never understand people and their happiness sucking the thoughts of shits that their human-man god master flakes into them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they don't conform to the latest asshair they might not succeed in life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't get it either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan's god to me destroying you and your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's like it says in my description - your darpa and your new mexican cats with microchips in chicago'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your stupidity exploited your chanting brainwashed eyes bunch of stupid not even offended at how easily you're led'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you cut yourself and bleed on their new lies'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would your personal information being leaked from the insurance company you just had to sign up for cause they consumed all the others have been possible without your web bot interference?  course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when everything was paper and mouth people had to go right in to get their information'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i ran a nation i would make sure that nothing that was critical was available to the network of foreigners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some say that's what gaddafi did wrong, he nationalized oil there was usurpring the foreigner's companies and distributing the wealth among his citizens - was one theory i read'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's possibly an asshole too though, i never met him'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do soldiers work for oil companies?  sure they do - colombia has some'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'privatization of military interests, unionized homicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have a work visa you see'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eventually lots of people gonna get murdered and they'll see then what i'm talking about'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why didn't we see it coming, from whence did it come?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we had only en know an'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'said that all too probably 70 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same masters who made them blind then make them blind now'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll reproduce knowing the governments going to murder or allow the murder of most children here and maybe mine will be one of the raffle winners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's about the extent of somebody who sees the future as it most probably will be's optimism for it if they can put it behind them while it comes'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's the famous, i'm going to suck the killer's penis and get a castle on his garbage dump attitude'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should have their teeth ripped out for cowardice'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we was all satisfied licking our cream and grinding helpless creatures under our treads and soaking up some sun under our non-acne cream liver disease bug repellant formula carried by hades'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then we got the boot, christ of lords - makes sense if you think about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '5 years i predict will be the first wave of government homicides that the people think are ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the rothschild family ruled europe for the last 550 years, even the kingdom the queen of england sits in'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they probably live in israel now so you see what makes that place so rotten'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that forbes richest man in the world stuff is a illusion, the richest people in the world don't ever make the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they own all the companies that report on the bank's they own'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an incriminating illusion though, that's no joke , how do you make 1.5 billion dolalrs a year?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a place where the average citizen makes 2 dollars a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only way to regain composure and independence is to sever absolutely all communication and ties with europe/africa and asia until it's sure that their influence is no longer a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise the western nations are nothing but farm animals'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no travel or nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia and china like to beat their chests like king bear kong shit, they should be able to secure their oil in the middle east'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if they're all rotten across that whole continent like they already are and try to come over here then there can be a world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or 3'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that would happen before though, because that control is already in place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know all about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better go go out with a bang than eaten by your enemy while you beg for his foregiveness'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody has family over there then they can go join their family, choose their sides'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't mind the idea of -strict- government when that government's not full of shit, and this government is because they don't do everything they can before enforcing what they shouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by watching the lines they toe and those they don't i get a accurate picture of just what kind of government they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and to me, the government is a bigger terrorist than all the terrorists in the world because of their intrusion on my life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those terrorists over there wouldn't even know how to float across the ocean if it wasn't for the government teaching them how to build boats - and then knowing this mine would already have laced the ocean with depth charges'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of clown frauds, dressing up like john wayne gacy who's a nice hannibal lecter victim'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cartoon politicians are a relatively new invention, as late as 1947'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'JFK maybe tried to be real but you see where that got him - who framed roger rabbit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they're all frauds and con's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politicians actually go to acting school to learn how to make people believe the characters they play'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'phony's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't ask politicians to make up their speeches as they go, recite from the cue cards instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put on the tone your teacher taught you deliver the drama'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they even understand it all, or do they have somebody else doing that for them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people get caught up in the spirit and the power and the reverence the position holds in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't matter if he calls them all stupid, if you point that out they'll look at you like a parasite'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much really different between america/canada and north korea in that regards of the dearest of leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shit, i'd dare say they follow the exact same system of politics in varying levels of open-ness'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil is defecating'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tmi'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both's fundamental tools are the centralization of power at the government, a head of state - timed or not, and a group of people who advise them and know what's best, and the audiences agreement with the public figures working for each'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'repeating what they're told and thinking otherwise is a sin'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems that sin's pretty unsin in eachother though'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, and mind control/psychological warfare is the attempted punishment of the ostracizing society against dissidents like myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, i fall in to the category of retard which knows his enemies actions before they perform them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a great threat, having a mind of my own.. '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the NSA and the governments of canada, israel and america worked together and made a task force on me'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe paid with some dirty russian money or whatever they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and, in some cases, tricking mostly-clueless dissidents into spouting inaccurate nonsense before a small audience of mudders'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade ponders "how does mindcontrol fill the minds of dissidents with even more faulty crap;; and is this good, since a totally deluded raving lunatic is usually less dangerous to society as a whole than a sightly deluded dissident with followers."
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slightly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monkies'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as long as a deluded dissident is spouting obvious nonsense amidst the other flawed crap, that dissident is not going to receive popular acclaim'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require dissidents to be delusional'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of stupid people out there'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and plenty of people who claim to be experts and arsen't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politically-correct folk are fast to denounce atrocious errors in a dissident's platform'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even more people prepared to accept at face value the word of self pronounced experts'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they tend to be among the most close-minded, and often stupid of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and with "records" of what is said on debate, the faulty speeches by a dissident on this channel are there to be used as evidence against that dissident if that dissident ever aspires for political office (if the political aspirant dissident may be linked to the faulty crap spoken on thses mud channels)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone who frequents here is likely to go into politics'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politics is for the corrupt, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a dissident is going to defecate faulty crap onto mud channels, and yet aspires to political leadership, be anonymous, very anonymous, on mud channels'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herr Druzil does not aspire for leadership ??!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade ponders what Adolf's early speeches sounded like in content
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably entirely reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is eric holder a bad person, or is he just not quoted well by the media?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was mussolini very different from JFK in their objectives of uprooting the mafia's influence on their nation's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america maybe took care of both threat's, one was a world war that demonized it the other a random act of violence'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just trying to see peoples opinions is all, i see a similarity and a uncanny presence of america in both of it's occurrences here'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the purpose of rehashing what the USA did in WWII -- with the gross lack of wisdom, you are in no position to change the past'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's good to know as much about the enemy as possible instead of the world's god will handle it taught from the enemies world'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invent your own god at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inventing false gods is bad policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the term "false gods" is a bit of an issue'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either all gods are false, or none of them are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing false about a god that's true to your understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except somebody elses lack of seeing what you see, and the discourse that follows being full of misunderstandings'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, grasshopper, you are likely clueless in some topics'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only gods that exists are non-false. It's up to the claimer to prove they are non-false. So far, no proof has been provided.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think the people at church today have some actual firm rooted strong unshakeable belief in their own relationship with creator?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Zade for being a moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if so that's what you think, i'm not under that impression because my experiences aren't theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that rhetorical or an obfuscation'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so here's a book on calculus that somebody can read but can't explain but somebody else can explain and not read - who's correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the one who can explain it's correct if it comes from his understanding, the person doing the reader doesn't require that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'state the title of this alleged readable/unexplainable book on Calculus'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so reciting the bible and stuff filled with people who might not know nothing about nothing they're talking about, while your own mind and developing faith in it is ignored for faith that his understands the demands of the book your worship'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the act of understanding skews the findings to the perspective of the reader/explainer'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's about the root of most religious crimes on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might be politics too, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the original understandings knew what they were talking about, nobody else is guaranteed that same advantage'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's probably good that people have their own god's instead of somebody elses filled with absence'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not true at all, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it wasn't true at all then i wouldn't be convinced'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a head full of lies requiring med's though, yeah?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the bias I'm referring to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amen'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'including myself in the all you speak is a bias? that's fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what are you the real person and i'm not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yourself is bias there my racist buddy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the story may or may not be true in the purest sense of the word, but the simple fact it has been recorded changes it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I include myself in this.  It will change my religion if I explained it to you, therefore I do not celebrate religion.  All that you need to know is that I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Druzil is unwittingly praising the liar authors and compilers of the scriptures (too highly) '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only thing sacred about surviving religions is the hopes and dreams towards them of people who aren't absolutely corrupt, and through that religion they are used'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which makes religion a very detrimental problem that's not based on your monopoly on life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'delusions are not sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people could be sacred without the use of a middleman if they wanted'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure they are, Zade.  The illusion that there's a higher power at work, whether it be technologically superior or supernatural.  What group doesn't fight and lather spittle at the very thought that their investment in X might somehow be wrong or retarded?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'investment in big oil, disappearing pandarosa rainforests, gold under dem dere mother of god rainforests'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are those new brazilian exxon valdez bp 's about, and the one along the great lake river'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing important, lets drill the arctic where nobody can see our investment paying off'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even in the tiny world of government conspiracy, the same processes are at work to create and maintain the crazy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they name a natural gas field in norway after heimdal's horn too, amazing stuff, war of the man-made gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either something "sacred" is based on a true god, or that "sacred" is a fase sacred and thus not sacred at all '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are under the illusion their little canary seed sodomy life is security and will be like that forever, so they don't want things to change - voting conservative'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of their ancestors would probably puke if they seen the lives they live'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is a false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did far, FAR worse than us, Druzil.  The problem with humanity, according to some experts, started with the invention of agriculture.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and since all religious gods are false gods,  the religious sacred is also a false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does agriculture hurt anything?  experts don't know much about manual labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is suggesting it does harm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you would hold that the absence of godly powers is a sacred thing, yes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out the luddite's, the most significant modern prophets in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nostradamus got nothing on their equilibrium'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'agriculture permitted society to develop technology '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their prophecy wasn't profitable, but it paid off for their enemies that made it happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a modern (today actually) example, is the petrol truck drivers in england going on strike and england training military personel to take their place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'agriculture is satanic.  It gave us enormous amounts of free time, allowing societies to develop specializations.  Given that idle hands are the Devil's playthings, it is logical that he would work to create more toys, yes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oil industry is satanic, agriculture is the work of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they did have one without the other and there's no moderation today'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new laws came in today to make illegal offensive chanting at football matches'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in today's game, Rangers mocked the pope, and Celtic fans mocked the IRA'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the scottish going to arrest the whole stadium'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's proven that human's can live without hte use of fossil fuels on the untainted earth that goes through mostly natural changes, but it's not proven that man can exterminate that relatively eternal reality and live on un-natural mineral deposits put together from the world they came from'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and alterations to crops - check out the 1972 corn blight in america, GMO corn seed was used almost exclusively in large swaths of american cornland'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to save the planet is to kill all the humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the crops that weren't genetically altered survived and were able to adapt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not many of those left now'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that CAN and possibly WILL be used in warfare in the future, as a subsidy to royalties on every crop on earth and owning the processes they go through to arrive at the store you may or may not be afford to go to'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's only a man-made problematic aspect of it - naturally it can result in vast quantities of lost crops and irreversible damage to the food supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they try and feed people but we have to use mutants to save humanity - which isn't the fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the fact is in canada at least, the canadian government offered top dollar for hogs on a record low year for selling them which farmers jumped at, and those operations were given to people who will use genetically modified 'pork machine' pigs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the real pigs was there, being pigs on farms distributed all over the place, but they get replaced - and now it's all un-natural so naturally you require it to survive'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those can all get wiped out with a unforseen problem as easily as that corn did'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or intelligently like teh man would'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'irreversible?  The biggest extinction event wiped out  of all species on the planet and terran life didn't fully die (though it took 30 million years to recover).'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bah, %90.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you weren't around to see it i wouldn't put weight to your beliefs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's as many possibilities of the past as there is minds and only observing small fractions of time can you estimate what occurred back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, that's JUST what we can see from the geological record.  There's more that didn't get preserved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you think cause big extinction from our small observation platform might have happened 'authoritatively exactly within the words of the experts', what you're doing today on the planet is nothing special'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a faith in ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at how ugly the world is under the guidance of your experts'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how much faith they're due'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Earth would only be a little over 600,000 years old if your experts were in control.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'biology records claim that over 75% of the worlds known biodiversity as of 1885 went extinct since then'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't see any death like implications about that?  cause i do'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the keyword is known.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and there were a lot of hideous mistakes made in the environmentalism movement that essentially CAUSED the big problems we see today.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cutting down all the forests was a bad start'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'letter latino's control the world's lungs isn't a great idea, either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is letting arabs control the oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was referring just to the animal sides of things.  Environmentalists tried to save the timber wolf and they almost forced their extinction because they didn't know shit about timber wolves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the americans, for that matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA does not deserve to "control" the oil either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China does not deserve to "control" the oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, we don't.  America is very oil-poor compared to the rest of the world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't, hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any supposed control we have is from our fiat economy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'latino's don't seem to control the world's lungs, as far as i could gather most of the profitable industries in latin america are operated by russian companies, indian companies (from india) operating on behalf of russian stakeholders and the swiss'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the latino governments need to legislate and nationalise the forests'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're supposed to be good at that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'kleave the oil in the ground for future generations (although with the four horsamen of the Apocalypse coming, there may be no future generations)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the military and government and all that seems likely to all belong to their payrolls - soemtimes directly in the case of the FARC resisting that i read about, the soldiers who work for the interests of the oil company'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure they got some bad apples and stuff too, but i don't believe in the utmost rot in all people, people who live there probably don't want toxic waste for water and no place to live etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to imagine why china being in control of the oil would be any different to the arabs, or the yanks'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'oil is controlled by large corporations with no allegiance to any nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in bbc archives of the last 8-10 months is two articles in tandem of a week, one was environmental sanctions on brazilian rainforest deforestation being lifted, the other was two brazilian environmentalists being murdered ( a man and his wife )'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they happened in the same week, but the United Nations didn't investigate'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound surprised'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, you're implying that this isn't normal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it is normal, then reality has no right to call me abnormal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as normal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, abnormal != incorrect'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wish they'd show contrasts in what they want people to believe towards what they don't want mentioned on the news more often, comparison's that are most likely linked and stuff, leave the viewer to stimulate their minds and think for themselves some more, the more imput the democratic government has into a situation, the more views and opinions, the wiser it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but democracy's only a word used mockingly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, our media spoon feeds opinions and passes them off as fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's about as obvious as it can get with the reporter ignoring the observations of people who moved to regina from weyburn saskatchewan cause their farm turned into toxic waste'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the headline that Whitney Houston died from drowning after taking cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cenovus energy's scientist captivating the trusting attentions of the viewer who observe their trusted reporter being optimistic towards the Co2 project not causing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe people who live there who aren't multinational trillionairres myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this spell of the albino video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVAyFlVw_e8 is very disturbing, but it shows what the media is capable of in a place where no alternative opinions are present or allowed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'notice the severed arm the reporter is holding saying it's rubber to the man of the same race and the 16 year old girl missing a arm looking similar to that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a global phenomenon, not limited to any nation or state, the media is fucked'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only people like us have any real news to report when we don't desire to deceive people'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people in general, if somebody tries to make somewhere else sound like happyland paradise on the media i wonder about where all the people were relocated to who were poor - like the vancouver olympics and other venues'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'putting on makeup on a whore is all that shit is, history written by a begger is a million times more real than history written by a rich man'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i read something about the past i think about the class divides and the type of situations the people who are never heard from went through'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vancouver poor were likely on welfare - they do not count - so relocating those parasitic leeches to elsewhere (so the Olympics may be built andf held in Vancouver) was reasonably okay'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and benin is a member of the United Nation's, while in their border they have villages of people who's culture murders children who they suspect of being evil spirits'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their agriculture and things like minerals are too valuable to investigate or question the human rights of in their meetings'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think they couldn't have with their bleeding human rights arguements mustered the human resources to have taught them otherwise by now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everytime i hear human rights on the news coming from a politician i get sick, because nearly all the time that's either not present on their mind (cue card) they're given that card and reason by another (frontman) or the last thing on their mind (player)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when inferior humans in depraved villages religiously murder off their children, that is a good first atep to euthanising the lot of those religious savages'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'an american rich banker from standard and poor or something wants to tell the world how to spend it's money too, having successfully impoverished america living in luxury himself he's chanting the great prosperity his position as head of the money snake will bring to poor nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how dummy is the american media to not call him out on his bullshit for the majority of the people who get fucked for his fortune?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- when the religious murder off each other,  "puts the lotion in the basket"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see any difference between corruption in any other government and corruption in my own, always they're rich you're poor and they work together at one point or another to keep it that way'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's their number 1 agenda since juliius caesar and moses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an economy is likely to continue to thrive without the poor -- the poor are expendable'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they call political groups party's, which might have several meanings, but they sure are rich aren't they?  having fun too sometimes debating an issue in public so people think they're actually deciding something'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's always pre-decided though if it's relevant to other than a inconsequential freedom at the time of control focus'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'listening to obama and them talk about pulling out or withdrawing troops is like raping somebody and saying it's almost over just a few more thrusts while they feed them some more date rape drugs and the time seems to slip into eternity'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper and his cronies like the idea of war, and canada was a peace-keeper they say'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, the poor do not seem to vote, at least they do not seem to vote wisely, as when the political candidates are pathetic and or corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'turned into a modern-day ukraine sucking up to stalin'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'it's US or them, and the USA prefers US'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is incompetent and or greedy, likely both'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is a toady to the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what is a "toady" and the etymology thereof -- surely not from Mr Toad of Toad Hall in "Wind in the Willows"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr Toad seemed to be a fool willing to do bad and folish things when distracted by personal desires, and did not seem to be a "toady"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if Mr Toad is the etymolody of "toady", then "toady" is an apt insult when applied to clueless greedy corrupt political aspirants'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'etymology'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... I wonder if the price of gold would skyrocket if people started seriously checking for counterfeit gold bars...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/25/the-problem-of-fake-gold-bars/'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and repeated serial numbers on bars supposedly held by funds? :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and other forms of "oops, the gold we thought we had, isn't"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if they'd even dare to go through their stocks bar by bar and check...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose if you really want gold, it would be safer to run your own tests than invest in a fund that probably doesn't care...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'meanwhile, the central banks of all major currencies hitting ctrl+p is not likely to decrease the nominal price of gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'governments do not look at gift horses in the mouth :) While they vigorously seek those who counterfeit, the appreciate the fact that counterfeit currency is an interest-free loan :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'counterfeit currency is a huge cost to governments...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has around 230B USD counterfeit floating through the EU.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'counterfeit gold is potentially a huge loss to investors, and gold miners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, as long as those who receive the currency don't demand replacement and redress. The faith in the currency is more important that its authenticity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if counterfeit us currency could somehow be instantly vapourised, the us govt would get a higher "price" for its own cash "production"...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, a huge potential gold, if they examine it. As long as they treat it like gold, there is no problem.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the counterfeit US currency floating in the EU were instantly "vaporized" both the US and the EU would collapse.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a large spike in us currency values, yes, which the us can cover by printing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is important is that the US currency is accepted, it doesn't matter whether it is counterfeit or not. Since, after all it is said, the currency (any currency) is just a medium of exchange. If both sides accept it, it doesn't matter the provenance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it matters to the one producing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since it affects the value'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every dollar of value a counterfeiter gains is a dollar of value lost by the govt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you pay me 100 USD for some service and you pay me with counterfait money, I only lose if you declare the currency invalid. If  I accept it and then use it and they accept it. It doesn't matter whether the bill is valid or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, If I declare it invalid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but the govt loses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government gets a free loan in that exchange :) 100 USD'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the govt loses 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if the bill is outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the govt would gain that 100 otherwise if they had bought goods for 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the govt would regain that 100 if the bill is outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't will on lose anything. The government just provides the bill. The government only loses if the bill is declared invalid, because then the end user has a claim against the government.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'win or lose*'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why going after counterfeit bills is very profitable for them, in the sense of limiting its losses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt buys services with the bills it prints. If someone else prints a bill that is accepted, the govt loses that value'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the government has an interest in deterring future counterfeit. It has no real interest in outing done counterfeit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if counterfeit bills are removed, they can print bills in the same amount and use it to purchase stuff with no change in money supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government is not going to declare 270B USD counterfeit in the EU. It can only hope that people keep accepting it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'removing that money supply all at once would be a large economic shock, yes, but if the us govt were able to instantly replace it, just supposing, it would bea large gain.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but what about the done transactions? If company X finds out that company Y paid with counterfeit currency, it is going to demand redress from company Y, which in turn must turn to company Z to replace the faulty currency, and so on. The US would lose 270B is the currency were outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, if they could eliminate it gradually over a few years...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the same way all fake currency is removed from the system... depends on local laws'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be like an avalanche, unfortunately.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, a 270b gain is a drop in the bucket as far as the US is concerned...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but you don't turn down a 270B interest-free loan :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, realistically you would do it gradually if you could'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are losing interest on that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think companies X, Y, Z, etc would keep it quiet? If only to remove the idea of complicity they would go public.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only ones gaining the interest free loan are the holders of the fake currency, whether they know it or not...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even aside from that, folk will hear about it and start freaking out as they check theirs out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a frenzy of trying to pass off any fake currency held...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, which well it is all said and done, is the people on the street. They think the currency is valid so the currency is valid therefore the US has 270B extra USD being used to pay debts private.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the average guy isn't holding all that much in fake currency anyway, and those who are, can take the hit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the shop onwer gets paid, the day laborer gets paid, the drug dealer gets paid. Everyone is happy.]'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the point here is, the us govt is the ultimate loser from fake us currency floating around'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if the bill is outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, unless the bill is outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they lose either the value of the note, or the associated interest-free loan, depending on which point of view you take'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, as long as the bill is being used to pay debts it works just like real currency. It is only when the chain is broken that the issuer of the real currency loses.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's great for the people using it, but the us govt loses it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't lose anything. It this instance, the government is the people (in fact, it is the only time that this is the case)/'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the chain is broken, the issuer gains from being able to issue it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people lose, in terms of more taxes having to be paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see what happens when the payee outs the bill. He must get a valid bill. So the payer loses 100 USD. Which he will pass back along the chain. All the transactions that bill satisfied previously become invalid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is balanced by their loss of currency if the bill was outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which the govt can fill by issuing another 100. That results in a transfer of 100 of value from the guy holding the fake bill to the govt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the counterfeiter had already extracted the 100 at this point...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US doesn't back its currency, so in a sense, the US currency is fake anyway. That's why it is to the US' advantage to keep the counterfeit currency floating. It doesn't mean it approves of it or wants more of it in circulation (that's another topic :)) but it certainly doesn't want a sudden claim of 270B USD against it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the summary of what will have happened is - counterfeiter +100, govt 0, guy last holding bill -100.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it wouldn't have a claim against it. It's fake money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hmm, do you know how governments settle accounts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you brought a million worth of fake currency to my country, and demanded redemption, out govt would laugh at you before arresting you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the US doesn't want the fake currency in the EU to get to a bank.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos pshaw. the currency in all basil 3 countries is extremely relaible'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they would, so that they can remove the cash, and laugh (quietly) at the sucker who brought it in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the US defaulted (which is what it amounts to) on 270B USD the value of its currency would plummet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't relevant'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since that currency was not issued by the us govt in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was different when the US currency was backed by gold, but now it is backed by faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'e'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ron Paul 4 life!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'basically, the govt gets a lot of value, free, from its issuance of currency'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'RuPaul 4 wife!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not just faith, its full faith and credit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'credit rocks'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and counterfeit currency is what they did not get value for, which they "should" according to its law'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it gets a lot of value out of accepted currency, whether it is fake or not. Both types of currency are backed by faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can print more'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would be even better'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why bother :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are those who are doing it for them :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because for every million of counterfeit currency removed and then replaced, they get a million dollars without changing the money supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when it is all said and done, accepting currency is an act of faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so no net inflationary effect, plus they get a million bucks!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's even better from their point of view if the sucker is a non-american in some EU state'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fake gold problem, though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the faith in the currency is the value of the currency. The only way accepted counterfeit currency is less valuable than the real thing is if the real thing is backed by something like gold, silver or platinum. In either case (fake or valid) the holder of the currency cannot redeem it. He/she can only exchange it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, nonetheless, the govt gains if counterfeits are removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'likewise, the removal of large amounts of fake gold will likely benefit gold mining companies...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by boosting the price, at least...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a paper trail able to be followed where the fake gold bars came from -- those responsible are likely to be caught (and pehaps euthanised discreetly)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and better yet, there'd be little disruption to the real economy if lots of fake gold is removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but gold is different because it has intrinsic value. The USD, which is not backed by anything, has no none. Its only value is that people accept it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha! I doubt they'll be able to trace them to their hideouts in the more lawless parts of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the blogs-reuters article also stated that maybe the fake gold bar was a single bar only'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people use the usd. The fact that it can be used to pay people for labour and stuff means that the loss to the govt is real'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, how likely is that though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where one bar exists...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't imagine some counterfeiter deciding to make just one fake gold bar...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps send a seal-team or other discreet assassins'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'counterfeiting has a base cost :) So he will counterfeit enough to make it profitable :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be bitter irony if Ron Paul's gold holdings, direct and indirect, were found to contain significant amount of fake gold... tragic, but hilarious.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi is trolling'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the guys who did this probably churn out as many as they can get away with...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his holdings are meager compared to the silver holdings of the Hunt brothers :) That is why there is no fake silver out there :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and faking gold is as old as the use of gold as a store of value.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Hunt brothers make sure that all silver is "real".'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prices of silver are lower, so I suppose the incentives are far lower'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is the same :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like how counterfeit 1 dollar bills are pretty rare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the density of tungsten compared to gold, and what is the value of tungsten compared to gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the value of tungsten is negligible compared to gold...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or more to the point, people don't accept tungsten as they do gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the density is a bit off, so testing can certainly be done, if the buyer is alert'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Osmium is more rare than gold, it would make a better medium of exchange, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the densit can be adjusted with other metals, I'm guessing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you couldn't make Osmium rings :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as far as economies are concerned, they need a medium of exchange that can be easily controlled...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to increase or decrease the supply of gold, and the people that decide that mostly are in other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why countries moved towards fiat currency, despite the obvious dangers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fiat currency is great as long as the government doesn't go crazy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the people on the ground accept it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we have come full circle :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is generally true as long as the govt doesn't go crazy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gold 19.282 gm/cm^3    Tungsten 19.25 gm/cm^3   -- densities are close'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, here it is. If the US declared that there were 270B of invalid currency in the EU atm and that it would immediately replace it with valid currency, it would be either (or both) rash and insane :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, which is why tungsten was chosen, most likely...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the price of tungsten compared to gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the value of gold goes beyond its density. Gold is mystical to humans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they certainly would say they were replacing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I might accept tungsten from you, but I would never turn down gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I might accept platinum from you, but I would never turn down gold. I might turn down platinum because of its higher maintenance :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you had large quantities of tungsten, you could sell it to some companies that deals in it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but what would someone do with a small piece of tungsten?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'make a light bulb'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but gold, you can use it anywhere there is someone to see how shiny it is :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in most cases, yes...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi tungsten bulbs were a wartime commodity, much like carnations and alcohol'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but in dire situations, canned food may be more valuable than its weight in gold...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bring back tulipmania!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gold has great value when people have lots to spend, otherwise immediately useful things command greater value as a means of exchange...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'metric tons produced per year:  Gold 2310  (in 2006), Tungsten 37400  (in 2000, as concentrates)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an interesting problem arouse for the US, which used to back the currency with actual gold back in the XIXth century. Gould my a very valiant effort to corner the gold market. It sent the value of 1 USD to 1.44 USD. It almost collapsed the economy :) Things got very expensive over night. That would be the equivalent now of a 1 USD rising to an effective value of 12 USD.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Zade those figures indicate that tungsten is practically worthless as medium of exchange. Compare the production of gold vs platinum, for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Osmium, on the other hand, has a production of about 0.6 tonnes a year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so it would be ideal if it is used weren't so restricted. You couldn't make Osmium coins, for instance :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gold-pressed tungsten may be more expensive than tungsten concentrate'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"gold-pressed latinum" -- Star Trek currency'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pay me with pigs and cows :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, that's real currency!'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ohmygodohmygod: http://air.audio-surf.com/'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What he said: "Granting vast amounts of discretion to our central banks in the expectation that they can cure our economic ills or substitute for our lack of fiscal discipline is a dangerous road to follow," Plosser told a conference in Paris.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What I heard: "There's no substitute for self-flagellation," Plosser told a conference in Paris.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, you were created by self flagellating sperm.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so its only natural to self flagellate .'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they were flagellating fluid, not themselves...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they were pulling themselves forward, like a british motorcar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'their means of ambulation was that of self flagellation'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a self-flagellating sperm wouldn't make it anywhere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi thats the trouble they had with the first helicopters'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see: Newton's laws'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people cite newtons laws but cant even explain his method for finding square roots. '
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that to me suggests a lack of understanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure why you think his laws of motions have anything to do with roots'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you measure motion without math'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're confusing physical principles with computation'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'why should someone have to know all of a scholars work to be able to quote only part of it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, crazy Brazilians, microchipping their kids...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow, tungsten! i wonder if thats as hard as gold, http://silverdoctors.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/tungsten-filled-1-kilo-gold-bar.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Tungsten is about 3x harder than gold... Gold is very malleable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see... so if i were to get a gold filling, it would be soft'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point :) You wouldn't want tungsten in your tooth, it wouldn't be able to hold it. Bone is brittle in comparison.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dentist, however, might use a Tungsten drill :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't be more titanium-ish?'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Titanium is somewhat softer than Tungsten, not much, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would favor Tungsten for drill tips.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'specifically, the surface area of a dental drill is rather small, so the hardness of the metal is more important, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think that really matters for teeth...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would agree, except I would assume that a harder drill would penetrate faster.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, admittedly the point would be a function of the hardness of the tooth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, technically, but what I was implying was that there wouldn't be enough of a difference to matter because the hardness of titanium/tungsten vastly outranks the hardness of tooth enamel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda like how going 10 miles over the speed limit only shaves seconds off the arrival time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'timed stop lights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'highways, no stoplights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't argue with that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, i've been on highways with stoplights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'usually just before a toll booth'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but also some near san diego for the bridges'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't you just shoot a hook with your coin? :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos i dont use coins, i prefer to use large bills and have them make change'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if im not in a hurry, why should the people behind me be'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and very, very, VERY far away from more in either direction.  Far enough away that you're able to speed up back to and past the speed limit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see. I hope I am never behind you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans i prefer to drive 5 under the limit, it makes cops waste time running your tags'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'House of Card is a new area, not a remake.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis''
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude pokes Holiday in Cambodia in the ribs.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure whatever'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the first thing to understand about God is that you will only see of him what your heart allows'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health and clarity have a lot to do with what you think the world is, and what you think God is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if you were too busy being greedy, lustful, or angry at god for letting someone you knew die, it might be hard to see him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, if you hated the weak, you would hate God for letting them live, perhaps'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but when your heart cracks open, and you can see poor people as people just as valid as you, with less, then suddenly God is not such a bad guy'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what they mean by God is love, is the quality of having healthy emotions'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that doesn't mean pollyanna bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia a god that values poor people more than slutty rockstars? really? can such a god exist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he doesn't value them more or less'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we esteem'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so in gods eyes, an old mother theresa chick would be just as valued as a slutty rockstar?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more like, if the rockstar turned to a life of philanthropy, she would have just as equal of a chance to be something in the eyes of God as Mother Theresa'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but really, the whole thing is confused by language'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like the body and mind thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are one and the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we separate them by language for convenience, but it is not the truth of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you bumped your knee, neurons in your brain would fire off and you would feel pain'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'normally, yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I tickled those same brain cells with an electrode, you would feel your knee bumping'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are an interconnected system'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thankfully i have so many opiates blocking that that it takes a lot for that to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but continue'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Unless you have congenital analgesia.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why the yoga practices are for your emotions as well, you come to understand that bodily tensions correlate with emotional stances'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by ironing out one, the other irons out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when your mood changes, your body works differently and vice versa'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'life is perspective, god is something we do/do not believe in, but the fact is that there is a greater power out there'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer or rather there's a big ocean out there of unknown and undiscovered things, and there could be a big island called god in that ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the ocean is God'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and it never ends'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia well, st anselm argued that god was the island'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and he was pretty well liked, so i'll defer to him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well we all have our own flavors of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even the saints had differing views on the matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and in a way they are all right'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep. thats why they decided to elect a pope to make it all specific'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or maybe it was more complicated, but they usually pick a pope and let him make the official view official'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thats more like it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like for beatific vision, for a few hundred years people argued and argued and had each other arrested and executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but then after the 2nd albigensian crusade they decided to make a specific view official... and its been official ever sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretty much'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like the law, the law is a tool that we use in a pragmatic sense to keep things in line'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'the earth is perfect because it has to be for everything to work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the law has to stand upon something, and that's the rationality and justness of the men administering it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when it comes to the real reasons to follow the law, or be a good person, or care, love, that isn't what the law is for, and should not be expected to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the universe is not flawed.  If it was, it wouldn't work right and if it doesn't work right then it doesn't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but its a tool, and it works in a gritty world'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole equation has already been figured'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'not necisarily'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia do you imply that the world was created imperfectly, and therefore requires a law that works on a rough world instead of a perfectly made world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and all we can do is behold the solution'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'if the universe has a life span and eventually dies, wouldnt that be flawed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm saying that given the reality of governing a lot of people, sometimes you need a rough tool to get it done'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'my point is simply that aside from simple man, from the smallest molecule to the largest planet or star, things are far to perfect for it to be an accident.  I dont care about evolution, dinosaurs or science.  that is MY belief I have have a hard time not biting into something greater and just believing all these things just appeared and decided to work perfectly. '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'just because it didnt happen yet doesnt mean it wont'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you must use it knowing that you'd rather have a better one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo human beings usually die ... so is that meaning that we're flawed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'with care, and humility'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'and the earth wouldnt be perfect if it wasnt for the sun, the moon etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since it clearly exists and for all intents and purposes it appears to be stable anywhere we look, anytime we run into a situation wherein the arbitrary rules of our understanding don't explain something sufficiently enough we have to accept that our rules are either wrong or at best incomplete.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's not a flaw, man'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dying is like clocking out of your shift'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mode: 'When you're talking about the universe how can you say that it is perfect or flawed?  You a human being can apply these man made terms to the concept of the universe but what is perfect? Only what we say is perfect or flawed.  The reality is the universe just is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you never got to leave work, it would be hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia ' the night is coming when no one may work' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and that is why everyone believes in god. Because we cant comprehend how everything works there must be a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the universe is not perfect but it is in perfect harmony, its a balance of chaos and harmony, because from death comes life, from a dieing star a new one is born'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia wouldnt eternal life be a form of hell then ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why it's better to have a point when you're done here'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia so eternal life is not a gift from god, it's a curse?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean literal, earthly existence'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who you are is eternal'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'sameer yes but that doesnt necisarily mean there has to be a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a sort of comparison might be like the character on this game'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, so eternal life on earth sucks, but not eternal life as a star in heaven the way the greek gods used to hand out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your character on here is like a shell, operated by you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'combo, or perhaps its a puppet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'when you die, it means god forgot your password'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'embracing only one aspect of me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'god = science.  The only difference in perspective is that religion doesn't wonder about the stuff that cannot otherwise be explained'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'real life is like that, except for the you that operates you lives in the Platonic Realm'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'there is a reason why everything works, and if you understood it fully, there doesnt have to be a god that made it with a magic wand'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'science doesnt try to figure out where it come from, they just figured out how it works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, there's a core of you that stands true through out all time and space, no matter when you would be born, what you would be born as, or where you are'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it means Satan got you to press Alt-F4.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia, your view of the platoni realm, is that much like francess dec's view of the brain trust?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's eternal, like mathematics'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'some of the religious issues are spiritual truths'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mathematics is not eternal, it is smaller than pi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'spirituality being the study of the structure of human consciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pi is math, therefore math = pi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'taking them as literal material facts doesn't work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not supposed to be interpreted as such'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Consciousness is hardware. Learning is software.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'math may grow to encompass pi, but at present pi > math'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ok, lets be logical, the chances on everything being perfect for life to develope is very slim, and something that most dont know is that we are here because of our bigger neighbouring planets, life would never of developed because of the meteors in of solar system but they gravitate to the bigger planets,away from earth, now what are the chances of that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would say that the flesh of the brain is hardware, and consciousness is software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually life is pretty easy to create'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning would be like applications'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sentient life is the challenge'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'what you people fail to realize is the power of time itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the nature of consciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'time is an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo ? what about time is powerful'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cant even escape itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because the way you think already defies time'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Consciousness is derived from neural circuits that are hard wires'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'wired*'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hanslanda ' kalo asmi lokar ksaya krit' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even that is not hard, the rate of beneficial mutations is pretty high, at least among simple life forms'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you organize your memories based on how close to you they are emotionally'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which means that your heart can already span time and space'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'well evolution is an example of time and the changes that occur'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sameer, I'd think that over the almost unimaginable immenseness of the universe, the chances are an inevitable 100%. And we're the proof of it. And I'm not saying that to deny the existence of God.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you have control and understanding of this fact, you can do some amazing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage those chances decrease when you calculate the likelyhood of our observing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I like to think that God made the Universe with the possibility in the laws of it for sentient life, and knew that eventually it would emerge'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the fact that over infinite time, the Universe would already sprout life, and the fact that we dont observe until it happens, means that we are written into the fabric of the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't disagree, Vamp. But... here we are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's random, but it's inevitable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'but before the universe how can there be any god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'where does he live'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo if there is a universe and god existed before it, then he must be transfinite!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and the answer is more religious fantasy!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, the way it is worded makes it unanswerable meaningfully'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is neither a fleet of typewriters nor an army of monkeys with an unnatural curiosity for typewriters.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, so did you come on your brother's face when he sucked your cock?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo well to be fair, comic books also aknowledge more than one dimension'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'but on that same theory before there was nothing, where did it come from and how so perfectly...'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't answer the question right because the wording precludes it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'same thing with, where does God live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was never nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok well if god was never born and always was, why couldnt the universe be the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia god lives in heaven'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'poof heres a great big ball of fire just floating around in the sky.. then poof.. oh hey a moon.. then poof oh look an ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'probably it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you mean why cant the universe be an eternal part of god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think that it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'maybe the universe is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo because it has boundaries. and god is transfinite.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and more'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'the universe is material as your boxer shorts to a being of that type of power'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not just the atoms, but the space between them, and the space between space'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not sure that God actually lives anywhere. More like everywhere, would be my guess. Or France, which is lovely in the spring.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fractally, forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'well, the universe has its own laws and nothing else affects it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage that is a lie, france is awful in the spring, too much planting. the fall is the time to visit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'the laws that bind them together perfectly and never faltering'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing to keep in mind also, is that we are a part of God as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'so if god was affecting the universe, there would be something affecting the laws of the universe that was unmeasurable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sometimes, when there is trouble, and why doesn't God fix it?  You're God.  You should fix it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yeah, Vamp. Nice in the fall, too. But all those grapes to pick!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia before i can agree with that, how do you define the natura of god and the devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage the locals pic the grapes, i just drink the wine'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the devil is the way of death'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Very sensible, Vamp. Very.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'i didnt believe in santa claus either'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything we ever had, currently have, or will ever had, is in the universe.  The Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy prevent it from being otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and i dont believe in GOD as we know it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you'd belive in god if he gave you eternal life and a flaming pillar of light, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Good people live, are loved, and become a part of all of our thoughts when they die'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'everything has to start somewhere! '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Evil people when they die, are forgotten'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i'd believe in santa clause if he gave me a dodge viper like on the usa tv show viper'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia yep, like hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look at every thought you have as pointing one way or another, or on a spectrum of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nobody remembers hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm pretty sure we remember Hitler, Cam'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you can composite the nature of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage really? then cam is wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nice timiong, Vamp'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, but we're not going to copy him, we don't love him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'timing, even'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he's only in our hearts as a reminder of what not to do, he's not like the people that really change us'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'people talk about god as if He is a conscious being'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for the better'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are, so he is too'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True. But we certainly remember him. And we'd better, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and i dont believe that at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo yep, otherwise he wouldnt be god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hitler changed us'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'actually evil people are remembered more then the good,'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true, but we don't miss him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'i believe in the forces of the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'some people say that god takes naps every so often, like after every six days of creating the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess is what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but when he's awake he's definately conscious'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we don't wish he was still around, not honestly'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia nod, i've met chicks that i'm not gonna miss'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly, the people you miss, the people that stick with you, that is what enriches your heart'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think we probably all believe in the forces of the universe. Question is, what initiated those forces? Kind of a tough one to answer.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok im turning this channel off now so i can go to bed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo, have fun sleeping alone'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'the big bang theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good is what enriches you, and evil is what poisons you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, Jaedo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God never rests.  We just say that so that Chuck Norris never finds out about his counterparts in other dimensions.  If they ever met, they'd destroy us all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, nah, god gave us power over snakes'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you make a study of emotional health, you can see how it works'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we dont get poisoned anymore. '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'lol nobody knows, but my point is that just because we dont know doesnt mean the answer is GOD, its too easy of an answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but its evil that writes our history, good people make a big difference every once in a while but evil people more often'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia you seem more like a hedonist than a believer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you mean I don't seem like what a conventional believer is supposed to be like?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tough crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo okay.... but if the creation of the world enhances the glory of god, why is it wrong to put it to his credit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'im not atheist im agnostic, and i , like st thomas , will not believe until i KNOW the answers'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You're right, Jaedo. It doesn't mean the answer is God. The problem is, it doesn't mean that it isnt' God, either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The answer of course is psychics.  Cambodia agrees.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'holiday no, you seem to espouse happiness and pleasure as a hedonist more than devotion and piety as a believer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course Starling'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and everyone knows that i will NEVER know the answers lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But Thomas believed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'glad to see you're paying attention here'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and it's not an answer, just a faculty of human perception'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you could, if god reveals himself to you and gives you one of those pillars of light'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage thomas was paid to believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why is it wrong to teach the glories of Allah, Yahweh, or the Greek Pantheon within the structure of Christianity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'lol im so stubborn i will think i was hallucinating'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think he came around, Vamp. Hell, they made a saint out of the guy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage i would liken thomas as to a soldier or a prostitute, any war for the right price'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'trust me Jaedo, when you see God you won't really be able to be that stubborn'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he got paid more because he fought on one side of the battle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still doesn't quite satisfy the saint part. Maybe he slipped through the cracks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's not to say he truly believed, but that he was an effective fighter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage well, if he's not a saint, then he lead a lot of people to hell =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God doesn't hand out lightsabers anymore due to what happened with the The Sith versus the Jedi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so maybe its just an necessity that he be sainted'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the thing is we wont know and until then we can only speculate, like dragons, theres no evidence to suggest that they never exsised but here is no proof that they did'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, maybe he still does... then again even gideon the judge kind of was an idolator'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oral histories actually suggest that dragons existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially since so many saints were sainted after fighting them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if those folks werent real saints, then once again, a bunch of people end up in hell for following them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude frowns.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer so in your eyes, is it more important to believe that god exists, or to observe that he acts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i can say that i will never be against the idea of a god but i will never be more then 100% for it if he does not make some great intervention in my life'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems as though one could believe that a god exists, without recognizing him acting in the lives of ordinary folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just try and be as awesome as you can be'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's that simple'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what's the awesomest thing in the world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shoot for that and see how close you get'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia thats what bill said, but he went to hell alongside ted when he died in the film bill and ted's heinous journey'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well if you're not awesome enough to get out of hell then I guess you're not cut out for this line of work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've been in and out of hell before'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once is enough for that shit, trust me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia doubtful...'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'saying you've been to hell before is like saying you've been to heaven before'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its a short list of people who make that claim without being insane'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so what'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i dont see you on that list....'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i therefore doubt your claim and your sanity'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fine'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one made you the final word on this anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's our two cents is all'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, do you think there's a devil on earth, or just in hell?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'do you know that these debates are fruitless, there is no definate answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's as much a Devil or a God on Earth as we let exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer is that not true of all human interaction outside of commerce?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you let your asshole tendencies run the show then the Devil works through you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why we try to keep them off the debate channel and more properly on gossip.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo yeah, i knew a girl like that once'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'think of yourself as a conduit running from the divine to Earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's a whole lot you could let through and it's up to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay... so can i heal people and cast out demons now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'well thats enough for now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a matter of fitness my friend'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to work up to having that kind of power'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay... so where's a good spirit-gym to exercise those muscle groups'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't just go benching 300 pounds right away either'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know one in South America that is holding a class in August'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm going there'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can you loan me the cash for a ticket?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do they charge money for the class?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's 2400 for a month, which is a good deal for a class like it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i cant believe im having a debate at 4:20 in the morning'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'food is not covered, everything else is (bus tickets, lodging)'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '2400 of their money or 2400 dollars?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '2400 american'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer its healthier to debate at 420 than to smoke pot at 420'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the plane ticket also costs'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is no Devil.  The Devil is an elaborate construct designed by the elaborate constructors of God to hide an uncomfortable notion.  Namely, that God's fucking with us like a cosmic version of Punk'd just to see how we react.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia can you loan me my entry fee for the coruse, and the plane ticket cost? '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm not rich enough for that right now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hard enough to cover me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well in that case, it sounds like the belief system is not a profitable one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'was a time when I was'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or I'm poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of class?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a religion for paupers, beggars, and lepers, not for healthy, happy men'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in other words, a religion only followd by sinners cursed by the true gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Holiday in Cambodia's question.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shamanic yoga, encompassing plant ceremony, yoga teachings, human anatomy, history of the practice, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'rich men can get what they want, why would a rich man need god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of the ancient ways that people have studied the mind using the mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer even rich men die.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who the fuck would piss away 2400 dollars for some kumbayah bullshit like that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Figures'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, cambo would but he wont piss away 4800.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'It sure does'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he knows that its not worth 4800.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Eternal salvation, or triple your money back!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude drops everything and trots drooling after Jhav.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, some day you might want to put your money where your mouth is, and you can do an ayahuasca ceremony for a lot less than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course you won't, it's much more pleasurable to sit back and talk shit about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont need ayahuasca there are better plants'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so flame away'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'God doesn't save bots from the damnation of eternal deletion!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo i didnt flame, i asked you to bring me with'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and you said it wasnt beneficial enough to do so'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he doesn't need to, Starling.  They're self-regulating.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a religion that hurts you doesnt sound like the kind a benevolent god would want you to have'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Holiday in Cambodia person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the perfect bot will never get caught, and it just goes downhill from there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'so you say it would be better to let someone continue to cheat?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, would much rather talk shit about stupid psychic/shamanistic/drug trip scams.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I said I can't afford to'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it cheating if you are unaware that they're cheating?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do it and then call it a drug trip'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I double dog dare you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling drug trips arent scams, they pay a premium to party-out unmolested'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You double your mom dare me?  No thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like you can go to san carlos mexico and get a motel cheap and spend 400 on a month's worth of heroin for example'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're a coward'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wheras if you do that in texas they send you to prison for 30 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you already had your ass busted by the world long ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you never recovered'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'lol.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so now you are miserable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's fun to smack people down'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its because mexico encourages such conduct and texas sees it as immoral'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'legality is a matter of geography, not morality'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell, if you changed, I would think you were sick'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so stick with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo nod, starling wont change until she has a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its about perspective, and the laws the come from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a good one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she'll never have a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'starling's a dude'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo but if such experiences really put one in touch with a god, you wouldnt be so stingy about brining others along with you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she burnt out her girlparts'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I told you it's not a matter of stinginess'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I seriously can't afford to bring two people along'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Starling has a kid, it'd be delivered by Doctor Jack Black.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'after you get back, will you be able to bring 2 people along? or is this a spiritual practice that impoverishes you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling yawns.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans whats the name of that surgeon on the simpsons that always screws up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'guys her bitterness is adamantine, it's fun to fuck with but in the end nothing will change'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo she used to be nice and just disaffected and a waffle hut worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but you're right, lately she seems bitter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who says I am bitter?  Just because I don't believe in the psychic friends network?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the hispanic-white guy who looks vaguely like Johnny Depp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, it's more like your general attitude in everything you say and the way you say it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I thought everyone knew this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i think he means the dude from future-rama? The surgeon that aint human and is a complete idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'karma is just a word.  What matters is your belief in karma and how your actions relate to it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'camo, i have a dvd called the secret that is about the same thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that DVD doesn't really portray it correctly'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no on the simpsons, has dark hair'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia how about wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Buddhism'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point is that if it's closed in your mind, you won't see it outside'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I always bid 105 on academy leaflets.  Sometimes I even win the auction.  Am I going to hell?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'combo right, and if you cant see it, it cant hurt you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'well, it had the science aspect and it was about positiveness and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're going to fry fry fry'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling you are going to hell, but thats not why'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're going because you want to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, she'll go because she's too stubborn to get out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'so if i shoot you in the back of your head, scince you never saw it, it never hurt you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the amstaff never bit anyone, just barked'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I sac the moonstones in Sendhia too, I am a rotten person'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well you might not fry when you get to Hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she heard it, processed it as gunshot, reacted based on memories of gunshots (most likely taken from TV and other sources OTHER than actually geting shot at), and then the bullet skullfucked her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it'll just be lonely as fuck and there won't be anyone to mock or criticize'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it'll suck, uniquely tailored to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whatever that is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of babies that resemble both her and VD, I bet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Y u so mad, bro?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but what if i was not a good shit at grazed the skull but she collapsed from fear, would it still hurt?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, im not bald'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they'd still have your eyes, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'does it really matter how I feel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I'll just say whatever I want'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'although I would say the fact that you recognize your own hatefulness and don't spread it through procreation actually speaks well of your principle'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the hell is wrong with you people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so in a way, there is a little core of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'still'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've learned how to symbiote with the internet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe you should go ask one of your psychic friends for guidance'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you rang?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure they could guide you on the path to figuring out why you're so mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, umadbro?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was easy'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nice thing about this MUD is that you can shut people up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'happy to help. what else are psychic friends good for'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shakes Holiday in Cambodia's hand.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'no, you would need a psycologist for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Whatever man, see you on debate -h'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I love how worked up she gets that I believe in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then has the nerve to call me mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well she was a stupid bitch anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'glad she took the job of being who she is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok the last one was but the second one is just an opinion'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, be careful, starling could get brain cancer and die and then she'd be a nice person'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'particularly if you're going to come across as an indifferent troll merely trying to rile folk up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I'd just soften up a bit on my stance'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, I don't hate her that much'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but man, she's really good at being annoying, and she loves it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo i dont think she's aware that other people find her annoying'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it really matter? :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure she is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like how some people dont realize that its weird to be that into yugioh after age 40'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they just dont make the connection mentally'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is he doing in someone's ass cavity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah, if you took a hot poker and seared the moral circuitry out of my brain I could give that little of a fuck too'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i know a 25 year old dude that is more into yugioh then most kids when it came out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'You guys mind taking your libellious gossipping about specific players elsewhere? Debate chans already spammy enough without you guys having a personal convo on it :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas type debate -h 5... cambo was asked by starling to discuss his anger with his psychic friend. thats me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'This is a channel for debate not a channel for disrespecting people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'we where already kicked of gossip'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you should be IPbanned'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Yeah, so discuss it with him. Elsewhere. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, she says that psychic friends shit to rile me up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo oh. then lets not discuss anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not doing anything but giving Lasher incentive to focus more time on those nifty personal channels he wants to create.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans on aol chat you can open up a chat room and invite specific persons'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, if she's really wants to live to her principles she should eat a bullet'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Actually, you're giving him incentive to be frustrated and not log in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I mean put it in the gun and put it in her mouth and fire'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could have used tells. Personally I don't like to hear people insulting other members of the community. No one here speaks about you the way you were speaking about Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's true'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's cool, haters gon' hate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'this mud is a great example, lasher is god, who created him, we dont know but we say that he created the mud, its like that but with the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever Lasher is or isn't, you are not compelled to be here. So, by being here you implicitly accept the way things are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'hey anaristos, i don't recall... which book was "sic itur ad astra" from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'it's been so long since i took classics :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Virgil'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'something-or-other to stars?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sounds a lot like a Zac Brown Band song title -- Sic 'em on a Chicken.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas doesn't recognise itur...
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Thus we reach (go to) the stars'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'itur = to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pretty close to the state motto of kansas, ' to the stars through perspiration ''
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's per aspera ad astra'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but its still pretty close.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though I think Kansas says it this way:  ad astra, per aspera'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, you're pretty good with latin i take it... do you think ' sic vos non vobis' would be such a good poem if it hadnt had such plagiarism?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My favorite thing about the Aeneid is the history - Virgil creating a fully fleshed female character where Homer would (could?) not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, for a quick 50k in gold. First person to identify my state by its motto. Ready?.... Excelsior!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Dido is pretty cool'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Negative'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'new york?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Virgil doesn't care (anymore), all the classics are plagiarized.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'California.  We know you're a Sacramento alumni.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yep. NY.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder what oregons is now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nah. My sister lives in Sacramento.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos but this was plagiarized early on'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'when the poet was alive.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying Virgil stole it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'whats plagiarizes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm saying somebody tried to steal it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it became famous when he was caught'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's just a cover of the Iliad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but it doesnt seem all that special to me as far as poems go'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you take another's writing and claim it for one's own'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'it is not a cover of the iliad :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or you take the inspiration of anothers writing and claim the inspiration as your own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think Virgin rocked, but you have to respect the age of his works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, debaters.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos why not respect guys like terencus instead?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nite rhavi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos waves goodbye to Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its 5 in the morning'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's 5 in the morning, do you know where your bed is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'yes why do you ask?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'im actually on my bed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not familiar with Terencus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay =( '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude sobs quietly to himself because Undertaken Anaristos was a jerk!
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The failure to complete a college education in the United States is especially marked at four-year private for-profit schools, where 78 percent of attendees fail to get a diploma after six years, according to a 2011 report from the National Center for Education Statistics." - Reuters'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Astonishingly, many of the justices appear not to understand that health care isnt like the market for cars, or broccoli; even more astonishingly, the administrations lawyer seemed unprepared to explain the difference." - Krugman'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you guys think that the act of giving a teacher apples stems from a similar root as the process of giving fruit baskets to roman leaders as you submit to their leadership?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'unless the teacher is hot, then it means you want something more'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer do you think its wrong to allow an ugly teacher to wear a veil in a tax funded school?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'she can do what she wants along as it does not affect the teaching of pupils'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well what if her ugliness distracts them'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or if they begin to make a mnemonic association of ugliness with learning... and think the only way to be attractive is to not study?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'then she should wear a veil '
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but what if by wearing a veil, they make a mnemonic association with ugliness being stigmatizing and think that they too should wear veils if they are ugly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what if all forms of social interaction for those children warp their psyche and forever set them down a single path in life?!????'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer, do you believe home schooling is good for children?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the problem with modern society is that if one studies or is smart the one becomes a nerd and becomes and outcast, so to prevent that pupils refrain from studying inorder to fit in, because the is no smart kid, its just nerds and others,'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer nah, the difference between a nerd, a trained monkey, and a magician is that a magician can use that knowledge to be seen as a trained monkey, rather than a nerd'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you take the example of the movie ' mr tate''
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'like me, i never studied but i used to get the highest in my class and i was lablled a nerd yet, i was also a sportsman'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer if you are a large enough sportsman nobody will call you a nerd to your face =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'myself i never got called a nerd in school =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one transfer student tried to bully me once for almost three class periods...'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the situation was resolved ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ahh, theres two problems there, im not large and two i never did like fighting, i have berserk qualities when i get into fights so i just walk away unless you insult my mother'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, like i said about ugly teachers'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aha, a trigger to exploit'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer myself it's not that i like fighting, or that i dont like fighting =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its the same with hot teachers, should they use unattractive clothing in school just so they dont distract learners?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i just don't like fighting more than once, so i'd be inclined to try to at the very least break a wrist'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer yes it is the same. except that some of them are pedophile gym teachers'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and gym teachers dress in gym clothes regardless of hotness or ugliness'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'because it is their unform, they have to, it also allows for better movement when teaching because it is more physicall activity'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes... and if they like many fitness nuts, are in good physical shape, they might be quite hot to a hormone filled teenage student'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Sameer ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially contrasted to the ugli homeroom teacher'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which therefore furthers the mnemonic key that the ugli people have knowledge and the hot people do sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ugly*'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Sameer ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'life is about perspective'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'healhy-looking folk are more knowledgeable than lard blimps'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade you shouldnt talk about your mother that way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but people dont have the guts to go against society an say what they think is beautiful, they just go with the flow'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually here in my part of the world a lot of weird people think feet are more beautiful than chests'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampireDude, you not supposed to project about your mother like that onto others'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but myself i find that a mainstream view of whats beautiful often times is... except that a lot of people try so hard with clown makeup and silicon implants that they go past the beauty point and are still ugly =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, you're not supposed to club baby seals either, but try to stop me'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'life and karma already stopped you'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'exactly! In your part of the world! In your society! Eg in ancient china small feet where considered to be beautifull so the feet of princesses where bound to keep it small, that was how society worked at that time in that area'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade they didnt stop my monk from pimp-slapping the seals on ragnarok online =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer but binding it to keep it small, or fitting your head between two boards to keep your skull narrow, or so many similar fashion processes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not really attractive if you go overboard with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it makes you look gnarled, deformed... twisted'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like that golem guy in the hobbit'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but society deemed it beautiful thats why people just went with the flow'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look at a current photo of the honorable secretary of state ms. hillary clinton'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'boobs are like noses, too big or too large is an eyesore'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she had so much plastic surgery when she was younger that her face now doesnt even look human'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade there's the texture issue too, if the breasts arent soft like grapes and are instead hard like pineapples, they're just not as much fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so maybe more cosmetic surgery'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'cosmetics are not there to hide or over-do but to emphasise certain aspects of a persons features, thats all but society pushes it overboard'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade how much more cosmetic surgery before they could just skip the surgery and wear a mask?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer well, much like camouflauge for military use you also try to even out other aspects of the face'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its the same as sleight-of-hand, it draws attention to other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no it doesnt'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sleight of hand merely gives more things to look at, the art is to not draw attention to any of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i magicain will distract you, draw your attention away from the object, just like make-up will draw your attention away from the flwas'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'flaws*'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no thats not true at all, a magician doesnt distract you, he makes you split your attention between 2 or more points'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and only one is where the important action is'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'which is distraction because you cant focus properly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can focus just fine ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you shout out during a performance, there its in his left sleeve... i think it is impolite'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is a polite vampire.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'you are putting him out of a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'when are you polite? Before or after the blood sucking?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, by being sucky at his job, isnt he deserving of that put?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer just cause someone is your food, doesnt mean you can't be polite to them while they're still alive'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'point taken'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually there was a poorly written fantasy book i read when i was 7 at the behest of my schoolteacher.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by a chick named madeleine l'engle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and she had people killing animals and then thanking them for dying so that they would be able to eat.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer, do you think that animals care if they die or not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it only humans that have sentience , self awareness, and souls?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'animals just dont commincate with us, if a man is deaf or mute, does it mean that he is not a man?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer yes. usually.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its why we put severely mentally deficient folks in animal pens to await death/ and or institutions to be studied'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'because they cant communicate we take it for granted'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'shrug, i can communicate ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Amerindians did that, and they were massacred by the more civilised whites <-- "do not make friends with the food" and "no cannibalism"'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but its more fun to just randomly paste sentences in latin than it is to communicate.   Iam summas arces Tritonia, respice Pallas insedit, nimbo effulgens et Gorgone saeva?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade um, the american native populations were massacred after signing treaties'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but as humans we fear the unknown'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no we dont.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not anymore than we fear our own backside'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Amerindians commited "crimes against animals"'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'was there a point in your life when you was afraid of the dark?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'never?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer never afraid of the dark...'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i even went solo through ape cave in washington state'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'then i cant explain it to you, i as a small kid was afraid of the dark but grew out of it, the principle is that we dont fright for the dark itself but for the unknown things in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh... but i thought those unknown things would be fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like it'd be cool to meet a zombie or a vampire or a witch or an angel or a demon or a unicorn or so on'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that'd be cool ( not i'm afraid of the dark ) mindset as a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but im talking about the usuall mindset'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer what do you mean the usual mindset, just cause you were a fraidy cat doesnt mean we all were'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'it is a typical occurance,'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just cause it happens fairly often doesnt mean its predominant'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and once we knew there was nothing there, we stopped being afraid because we KNEW'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer oh but there was something there'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it turned out to be a black widow spider, and even though spiders have oily feet to walk on webs with, they dont like being sprayed with wd-40 lubricant and they leave you alone and stop coming into your room'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'details....'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in hindsight, there was probably a risk of staining the carpet'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but as a kid i was more interested in discouraging the spider.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer it was a small black spider that had kind of a crab shape but bendy legs and an orangish red paired triangles/axes on it that made up an hourglass shape'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it probably was related to the nest that we found in the garage later that week'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'not everyone has spiders in their room'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, spiders are harmless unless you have an open wound or live in a country with deadly spiders'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and you only wanted to discourage the spider because you were afraid'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it turns out that the daddy long legs, the black widow spider, and the violin/brown recluse spider are deadly in certain circumstances'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so its morally okay to spray it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no, i wasnt afraid, i was territorial ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I like that.  'Spiders aren't dangerous unless there are dangerous spiders''
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my room, no invitation'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'thats what you say'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'How very... tautological'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'castle doctrine time ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer oh believe me, if i went into a forest and saw a spider or a slug there, i wouldnt assault or salt it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'because i figure its their home, im the guest'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but in my room, they're trespassing ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but it is not your room! Spiders have been living on that land long before you were so you where tresspassing'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer they didnt say anything to that affect'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'how would you know? Can you speak with spiders?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here's a good question though.... is it wrong to let a small child keep a can of wd-40 in their room?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer i tried asking them in english, they didnt answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and as a kid , that was the only language i thought to try =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'he tried asking you in spider, you did not repond'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually he seemed to ignore me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i think it was a she'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'it did not understand you '
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe it didnt and it just didnt think a small child was worth heeding'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like how a lot of adults wont listen to a speed limit sign'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even though they understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its a spider, you are a giant compared to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the spider is responsible?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if a man walks up to a grizzly bear or a lion and says hey, whats for dinner... is it right to blame then lion for thinking ' you' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'this is going to keep on going back and forth'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'isit wrong to kill an animal for food if you say yes they why is it not wrong to kill a plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer you dont have to kill plants for food, you can eat their unborn children.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'plant doesn't have a central nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like with cannibalism, if its not a human life being aborted, its ok to eat it ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's incapable of experiencing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan plants have genetic memories much like tapeworms have'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but it is living!'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so what, the hiv virus is living too, that doesnt mean its wrong to wish it dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'care to explain vampire?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'explain what? hiv?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'genetic memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'genetic memory != having a nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan but genetic memory = experiencing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Averan.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vampiredude +1 averan 0'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I used the wrong word clearly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a plant does not have any form of conciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so you mean, a plant is not conscious that it is experiencing things?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what about a worker bee in a hive, is it conscious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'more than a plant yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it just working because it has been deformed and genetically programmed to do so'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as it has a nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh, more than a plant, how much more than a plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and neither does a vegetable(human) but it still wrong to kill him'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm leaving this conversation now, I don't enjoy arguing semantics'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on a scale of 1 to 10?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan well, if you word your argument properly then it might be easier'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you're sayingthe sky is more water than the mountain'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's not a very good argument, sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'you scared him away'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'animals indicate personalities more so than young plants'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'killing personalities is the potential crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some live plants, that are (say) a thousand years old, may be with a personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a spark of god resides in that plant, and danger threatens that plant, and you are responsible, be scared, be very very scared (although you are already likely projected deadmeat) - some gods are unforgiving'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is the scripture: "Thou shalt not put the Lord God to the test" '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK it is illegal to own a jerrycan full of petrol'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so move'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sitting down'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the people let the government pass stupid laws, they deserve to be bound by stupid laws.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, this is my country, shouldn't have to move, make everyone else move'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 't'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Defend info Druzil '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no attack- '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just need a longer term view of things, just discourage breeding of certain types'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, speaking of Trayvon Martin . . .'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'its so lame to sit ar lvl 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, everybody plays the game their own way. Sitting a 1 wouldn't work for me, but it seems to work for other people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i wish there was a bonus when refusing noexp forever:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i have no willpower:('
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should the US remove the penny from circulation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BullE: 'yes. it costs more than 1cent to make a penny...'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom costs more than she's worth, and I don't see anyone going to get rid of her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flippin' Flip: 'thank god for starling's logic. we'd be lost without it'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BullE: 'wow...is that what this channel is for? noob trolls?'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Flippin' Flip person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to BullE's question.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could get very interesting if the us supreme court strikes down that health care thing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't they mostly republicans?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who, the supreme court?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the bush got to put in 2 or 3, iirc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's 5-4 in favour of the "conservatives", yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there is your vote :) almost guaranteed. This is an election year...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how many americans would say that the supreme court is nonpolitical...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how many idiots are in the US?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than 300 million'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there was this guy living under this rock...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think 300M would say that the USSC is non-political, but the number is close :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that, being an election year, and being that Obama is president, the vote is going to go against him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all these politically divided decisions are eroding public faith in the institution itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, you think?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'absolutely'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's been downhill since the Warren Commission. After they SC elected Bush to the presidency, there was no looking back :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people are fighting voter registration efforts in various parts of the country... ill omens'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wish they tried mandatory voting, like australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'the voter id laws in some parts of the states are downright awful'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are more registered democrats than there are registered republicans. The strategy for republicans has always been to stifle voting. '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they issue you id while you're in school...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we let pets vote here.  Dead people, as well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'dead people are the best voters'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we even make pets serve jury duty...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heard that one. ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the registered democrats voted, no republican would be elected no matter what they did (short of declaring martial law, like the bush was setting up to do :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funniest part of that story was that the owner actually showed up with proof that the served individual was a dog (including said dog and pedigree papers) and the judge STILL made him go through the process.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how LBJ got elected Senator. They rose from their graves to vote him in. In alphabetical order.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'LBJ benefited from joining the Craft'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good thing that Occupy infected the democrats, huh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Anaristos. You're an idiot. If every registered voter voted no one would be elected, because that's the reason most people don't vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is election day a holiday? I never noticed. Having to work on that day probably doesn't help turnout...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it's not a holiday, but you can take time off work to go vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are employers required to give time off?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think that it requires the entire day, though :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, I'd bet that some feel a bit of pressure to finish their jobs...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since when are they forced to give time off for elections?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you are right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are forced to give up some of the day's time so that a voter may reach the booths, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, I think it's a holiday. Makes sure that there's no pressure not to vote for most people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody I worked for allowed it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you didn't know the law :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, even if it's a law, I bet lots of people don't know it'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'including employers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or they can pretend not to know, at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it a national one, or state level?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially if they're republicans and don't want their stinking working class employees to vote democrat!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, I stand corrected. It is not a federal law, it is a law implemented state by state, so maybe you live in a state that doesn't have the law.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though most states do have it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, wonder if there's a resource for looking that up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'liberal states typically have that sort of law...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in the state of oklahoma, liquor stores cannot be open during an election'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'http://blogs.payscale.com/compensation/2010/11/employee-time-off-for-voting.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see if you can find your state in the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do they have to be liberal? Not that I don't agree with your assessment :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think it's funny how people still argue democrat over republican'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler is agreeing with that Juliartus person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You're all too blind to see that they're all in cahoots with eachother, and want to destroy your country and take your money'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Most people don't vote, because there is no viable option to vote for'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, what? It is your right as an American to rise up against the government and topple it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, I agree. But if you don't vote, you can't claim you are getting screwed, you are not entitled to any claims.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, liberal states with liberal lawmakers can ensure greater support, since the salaried sort tend to favour liberals a little'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are absolutely entitled. Why would you vote for someone you don't want leading you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if all those guys who don't vote voted for the same third party, the democrats and republicans would be toppled in one fell swoop'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And then you have another blue blooded politician running your country.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They are -all- in cahoots. They're a breed of people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meh, nowhere near a full list in that link.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because then someone else will lead you :) There is such thing as choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I bet a lot of people berated themselves for not voting in the 2000 election :) The choices were not good, but the worse choice got "elected" :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh well, first step is to get a decent people to form a third party...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And they're employed by our own corporations' lobbyists.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You can't form a third party unless you succumb to the evils of pork-barreling and lobbying'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You won't be given the resources nor treated as a politician.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'find a few well known, capable and heretofore apolitical types...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers, KNEW that revolution was necessary to maintain the stability of a people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who would have imagined that Al the Bore would have been a  better choice than George the Bush?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A people should not fear it's government, but the government should fear it's people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'of course he did, he wrote the Constitution in blood collected from Hamilton's duel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Riiiight.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... they could've gotten a boring workhorse, but noooo...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Hamilton was a fool. Anyone who stands in front of someone who is shooting a weapon at him is a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It was an agreed-upon duel...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so? That doesn't make him less a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two fools?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Three, for the witness.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he did.  It's right there in the Book of Secrets, page 82.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why? The witness isn't getting shot'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But he's a fool for watching and allowing I guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know about the duel, why would anyone who is not a fool engage in an activity that gives him about a 50% chance to get killed over something which wasn't life or death?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it might make him an ass, but a fool?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'HONOUR AND GLORY'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I would totally do that if law allowed me. I breathe hot steam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bugger that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a manly way to settle differences.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I rather sue :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Cause you're another fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a live fool, though :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ugh, my govt is too trigger happy with the suing thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A live fool who hides behind the book of law to protect, defend, and bring justice to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would not have been able to sue.  The courts protect our way of life, and life was very different back then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, why do I pay taxes for then? If I am going to pay for membership into a society, I damn well will reap the benefits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Truth is, most people who pay taxes don't actually pay taxes, because they get it all, if not more, back at the end of the year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, you could still bring the suit.  It just wouldn't be successful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially since I have to put up the then shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And our tax system is highly fkered.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the just don't pay taxes, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We're paying for social programs that should NOT be there. They're just as easily run by your local community church.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'In fact, probably more efficiently run by some kind of community organization.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't care who pays nor pay. I pay therefore I am entitled. Though I will say, it is my duty to pay as little as possible.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'handing social service over to religious organisations? ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You're not entitled to crap. You are entitled to what you earn.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like anyone is going to associate with known kiddie-diddlers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are entitled to your freedom, and protection from someone else affecting that freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Other than that, you are on your own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we live in a society. It's hard to see who really earns what with their own labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, so you are saying that if you know who they are you mind? But if they keep it secret, you don't mind associating with them :) I get it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I have no idea what you just said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That really made no sense. Please re-explain?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without transfers, what if everyone demanded the economic system that leads to the highest "earnings" for themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Transfers?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like anyone is going to associate with known kiddie-diddlers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he means you would be willing to be friendly with a guy who diddles your kid if you didn't KNOW he was diddling your kid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'redistribution'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Then you would have a motivation driven economy...?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm not understanding your arguement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then you'd have the classes at each other's throats'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No. You'd have the people who don't want to work, and the people who do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like biting into the best, juiciest, most tender cut of meat and then getting told at the end of the meal it was sliced out of the former Mr. Universe's left asscheek.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The people who do, are going to make more for themselves than the people who don't.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poor would want an economic system that gives them more earnings, and move towards that. Capitalist would want one that give them more earnings. The inventors and engineers would want... etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I sure as hell am not going to be taking care of someone who doesn't want to work. And if there's someone unable to work, they should be taken care of by their community or family.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd be killing each other'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol. 'Economy' is so relative. It's this made up thing that people buy into with money that is no longer backed by gold or silver.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What about people that don't have a family, J?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I rarely see someone who is unwilling to work in a well-run country'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Hanslanda. I would feel bad about her asscheek. But, I wouldn't be able to deny that it was a an awesomely juicy steak :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They die. Or some community organization takes them in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not Miss, Mr.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos is so sick that he tells everyone "I gotta barf!".
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Community is a term that has died out, and is something that is necessary for the well-being of it's people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice. I am happy I don't live in your country.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It used to be, if someone was sick, the people of their community would take care of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the us, those who are "unwilling to work" are all too often just too discouraged to look for work'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have a full belly and have been saddled with the awful realization that your mouth was on some guy's ass.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course that would be an oxymoron, jucy asschick and Mr. Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Now everyone is so enticed by the dog-eat-dog world, that they only care for themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I would rather have my community care for me than my government. Mostly due to the fact that my community can take BETTER care of me than my government,.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Juilartus, poolize!, the world has been dog-eat-dog since the first amoeba met the second one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. So poor communities would be doomed, no matter how much social good they create'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That was before free thought and empathy, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Both of which amoebas are incapable of, as far as we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you give humans to much credit, bottom line they are animals and behave as such. Striving to be the alpha is hard-wired.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bacteria before the amoeba.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Oh boy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm done.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the zombie fungus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the job of government is to do for the people what is "desirable", and which smaller subdivisions are incapable of.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos waves goodbye to Juliartus.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The job of government is to enforce everyone's right to freedom. Not to hand-feed mother fkers who suckle off mommy's teet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And to protect our land from invasion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a pretty mean spirited view'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And to promote and invest in education.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you be free if you are being forced to be so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are free to not be free. It's your freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and would ultimately lead to the breakdown of society'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are forced to not affect anyone else's freedom. That's the only force involved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who would defend a country unless it was worth defending?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit. Can your state secede from the Union?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It's people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Hell yes it can'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I live in Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you don't read history :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Obviously, I do. Quite a bit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, AZ is not state, it's a penal colony :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And a few states are on the edge of secession right now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would there be anything worth defending in a country that does not protect its people from misfortune and disasters that are preventable in other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Amongst them, Montana, Alaska, and Arizona.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No states are going to secede.  Don't be silly.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'If by misfortune and disaster you mean foreign invasion, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one person's freedom inevitably affects the freedom of others'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and as soon as they secede federal troops, with the same weaponry they used in Iraq and are using in Afghanistan, will descend on those states.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They won't in the end, I'm sure. But they're threatening their govt. with it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually law for Texas.  It'd still start a war and Texas most likely would lose, but it's actually there on the books.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'One person's freedom does not affect the freedom of others.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially clear when it comes to economic freedom...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Madoff blows that out of the water, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The economy is invisible. It doesn't exist. You're still buying in to it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, you'd just have to look at lobbyists...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where do you get that crap, juliartus? Everyone is interconnected, there is no way I can exercise my freedom without curtailing somone else's.  '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolutely there is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We are only interconnected to the degree we allow it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we all live in separate universes, I get it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone claims that "One person's freedom does not affect the freedom of others.", I suppose he must have a strange and very limited view of what freedom is, or he can't be serious...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We are human, yes. We are American, yes. We have empathy for our fellow human, in most cases, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, speak for yourself :) I am not from the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not in most cases.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Thank. God. Or whatever you believe in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the pollution that one guy emits affects the others...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's okay Juliartus, I was 14 once and thought I knew everything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you fart next to me, do I not smell it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The pollution that ONE GUY emits, does not affect another.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you miss the point. There is only one ecology. Everyone and everything affects everyone and everything else.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It is your freedom to move, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol Starling. I'm 23.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you cough in my direction, do I not (run the chance of) get(ting) sick?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You had the freedom to not be around a sick person, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and nothing, nothing, can be completely free, anyway. We can only speak of degrees of freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unless the sick person didn't make others around him aware that he was sick.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You can be absolutely free. You can not work. You can starve. You can die. That was your freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'OR, unless you're ignorant enough not to notice when someone is sick.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one absolute in the Universe. Absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I don't have the freedom to stay, mind my own business, and not smell your fart or hang around a sick person who happened to sit next to me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aka dead universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's a terrible argument for freedom'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'absolute zero doesn't actually exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero is Kelvins, correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because all sick people have a neon sign over their head announcing that they are sick, right?  Don't be dense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if i create a law saying that all people who say bad things about the government will be executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sure you do. Cover your nose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you still have the freedom to speak, you just get executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so that's freedom of speech eh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if I shoot bullets in your direction, you don't have the freedom to stay there and not die...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it is absolute, it is absolute. Kelvin or otherwise. There is only one absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'cool'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the theoretical point where all atomic processes stop.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Having that law, would not be freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it would based on your definition of freedom'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, that's where the govt comes in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you have the freedom to choose to speak or not!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It's their duty to make sure no one shoots at you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except themselves :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and who gets to decide what is permissible?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Look, we know that Philosophy 101 might be interesting to you, but I hate to break it to you that it's mostly irrelevant bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Hanslanda. Which is measured in Kelvins.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should some people, and not others, get to decide?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero is the coldest it can get. Period. I was a chemistry major.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Was, but failed out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought they had this thing called below absolute zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No. Had to wait for the Pell Grant because mommy and daddy don't pay for my college and I can't afford university.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And don't believe in loans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I have a 3.8 GPA'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, indeed, so why bring up Kelvin? It could be called Absolute  0 Anaristos and it would be just as cold. Absolute 0 is the temperature where the universe dies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Anaristos... but the scientific term is Kelvins.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dies?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827893.500-how-to-create-temperatures-below-absolute-zero.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, the universe can die above absolute zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing moves at absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even electrons.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"Dead universe" just means there is no gradient of energy to allow for any further processes or differentiation to occur.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was referring to motion, though, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Not really Starling. Absolute zero would mean a complete lack of energy, and according to theory, would result in the Big Crunch.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Since our universe is the only closed system known to man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, absolute zero just means that you're in the bottom energy state.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The universe has not been shown to be a closed system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and can be get back to discussing government?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero means you're in the no energy state.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not no energy, bottom energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because you can't show that the universe is a closed system, Starling. It's ever-expanding and unmeasurable in that sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No energy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That is a bullshit, meaningless statement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Tell me why.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can't show that it's unmeasurable, either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because that's the knowledge we use today. In science, and in the classroom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Yes, you can. Because it's ever-expanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please, keep your phil 101 crap in your phil 101 class, it's not applicable to the real world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we have no idea if stuff in the universe stays in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I've never taken philosophy. It's not a real science.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right Hanslanda, but that's the theory we use.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Philosophy is not a science, but a metascience'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you take a bunch of particles at absolute zero, say, they still ahve energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ask any physics major, and they will tell you the only closed system known to man is our universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Any physics major who said that would be wrong, or perhaps not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, they have energy, if you introduce energy into the system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But then it's not a closed system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you allow them to decay, it will kick it out of abs zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It wouldn't decay. It would be "frozen".'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Any physics major who talks about the edge of the universe like anyone has ANY concrete evidence one way or another is at best a C student.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abs zero just means that it is in the lowest state for that system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It means that there is no energy present. Because if there was energy present, it wouldn't be absolute zero.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it still has mass and hence energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can assume for practical applications, but to say "It is this way for sure" is the place of religion, not science.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet Juliartus has a nukular fissusion reactor in his basement that will solve the world's energy shortages.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the religion of science is theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were really a chemistry major, you may need to revise your thermodynamics...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Vakieh, that's what I was saying. We use it for science. But science is not truth, it's just an observation of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is truth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There is no truth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Science is not meant to find truth'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'science is truth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is. We just can't know 100% of it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Science is not truth... science is the observation of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Take a course on 'theory of knowledge"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science is a method to find the best explanation for observed phenomena.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ranrr wins'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Know what is absolute zero?  The number of men Juliartus' mom could keep interested in her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a lot of semantics regarding truth...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are degrees of truth, which correspond with degrees of certainty. Which EVERY scientist needs to live an breathe if they want to be any use in the real world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'live and*'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My mom has three children from two diff dads.And if you're going to take an intellectual conversation and start flaming, maybe you should look at your priorities.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how did we get from government, to science to philosophy/linguistics??'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, about the government...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have my priorities straight, don't worry.  Thanks for confirming what I just said about her btw.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I guess you haven't been here long J...this is remarkable restrained for Starling...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's late night on the internet.  It's a wonder we haven't started throwing around links to morally questionable (and/or amusing) content.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Vakieh, if you approach science with that mindset though, it alters your findings.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"miss" I-sterilised-myself Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Alters your findings? No, it alters your personal conclusions.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, that's what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Your "personal" findings'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which are inherently biased regardless'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Might as well bias them towards skepticism...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's the major battle of science, and why they teach you that there is no truth but only an observation and description of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'scepticism? nah, k looks right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They? 'They' taught me there WAS truth - but that nobody knows anything for sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, this is veering towards philosophy... Can't be argue about something in which right and wrong is clearer...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, what's truth then? Cause I'm pretty sure that's knowing something for sure.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like government... or absolute zero?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I love this channel <3'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My brain is on fire now XD'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you may need a doctor'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Nah, it tingles in a good way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can't light a fire in a vacuum, sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'combustion of the brain is contraindicated for mudding'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Only if it's a complete vacuum, which we can't reproduce, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A complete vacuum would be a lack of mass, and a closed system, which we can't reproduce.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you ignore quantum fluctuations...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I suppose there would be other instances, but it's impossible to have flame in a -complete- vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'introducing the flame into it would make it no longer a vacuum'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right: finding a vintage collection of movies starring highly-famous people you vaguely recognize and a working projector to view them on.  Wrong: Mom stars in all of them, and they're taking their clothes off in the first scene...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And if it's already a complete vacuum, you don't have the tools necessary to make flame.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, a flame is glowing bits of stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very wrong: they're all OLD!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Flame is oxidization.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just gas that radiates in the visible spectrum, depending on who you ask'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, there is no such thing as a vaccum :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Whatcha mean by that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There are vacuums of variable force, but never a complete vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'find me a place where there is no particles...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are no*'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There are degrees, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a pure vacuum does not naturally occur, anywhere in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if there were a complete vacuum, the inside of your head would probably be it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thank you'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Juliartus on his head.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, instead of oxidising stuff, you can use aanother oxidising agent...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Like, you cool chemical reactions faster under a vacuum, or pump, but you'd never be able to achieve a -complete- vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, instead of using oxygen'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm going to feed Starling to my Dobermann.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once you get to think about wave functions and stuff, the point is kind of moot...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would shoot that dog dead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can create complete vacuum, it just never occurs naturally.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'beware the "rig hands"!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We can't create a complete vacuum, not that I'm aware of. Unless it was recent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, the "vaccum" is seething with quantum activity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, your vacuum is going to have wave function in it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, all particles have duality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I don't know much about physics, Sonshi. What would that wave function come from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Light? Because light behaves as a particle and a wave, and a complete vacuum wouldn't have particles.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, each particle has an associated wave function...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But there are no particles in a complete vacuum...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A complete vacuum is a presence of nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the wave function of stuff outside your region of vacuum would bleed in'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Again with the phil 101 crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, then it's not a closed system, and therefore not a complete vacuum '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or maybe he read that crackpot Null Physics book, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you also get virtual particles and all that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's why our universe, which is the biggest thing we know, is -believed- to be the only closed system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What are virtual particles?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And what's this duality thing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if a complete vacuum is "nothing inside", then the point is moot, since there's always stuff going on'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wave-particle duality'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Sonshi. That's why we can't reproduce it and it doesn't exist as far as we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think you've shown that you're sufficiently ignorant that most of what you say can be hereafter disregarded as nonsense.  Thanks for playing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's not as far as we know here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(no)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high typo rate today'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's the bitch of science. We don't even know what we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was famously tested in the early portion of the 20th century using light, which proved that photons behave both as a particle as well as a wave (the double-slit experiment).'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The true key to knowledge is knowing you know nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You follow Freeman at all?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think his first name is Richard... deceased now I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there have been a couple more attempts at the same experiment using various particles other than light, and they've been producing the same result.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we more or less know that pairs of particles pop in and out of existence spontaneously...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm familiar with that, Hanslanda. Didn't know it was called that. Unfamiliar with that though, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I heard some unreliable info about what happens to one particle may affect another particle somewhere else in existence, but I never really looked into that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the latest was just recently completed, so if particles behave differently than wave-particle duality it's purely a matter of the size of the particle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the fun thing is that you can shoot eniter atoms through your slits and still get the same sort of pattern'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(entire)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's quantum entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm so taking physics now'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Shit is so interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I only had the basic calculus physics lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, until your prof tells you that no one really understands QM.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'QM is weird because it doesn't really describe the macro lvl'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'From what I understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that the only people who will tell you they do, are engineers, and what they mean is that they know how to do the math'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which works wonderfully'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'quantum entanglement is only theoretical, I believe, since it would mean that something with mass could violate the cosmic speed limit (similar to that neutrino hubbub).'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It pertains to the micro and below lvl, but nothing rly bigger than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except we don't know why it happens, just what.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Neutrinos? You mean from HADRON?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the entangled particles do not send any info'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Then what's the connection between the two particles? If no transfer of info?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just that when one is observed, both wave functions collapse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do they know both collapsed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we observe the other one'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And how do they know that those two particles are innevitably connected? And it's not another particle somewhere else?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the experiments involved were rather intricate, and had to rule out certain possibilities...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even knowledge.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops, wrong channel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you start with two entangled particles and shoot them off in different directions...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...this will take too long to type. I bet there's a wikipedia article on it somewhere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bell's Theorem :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'personally I'm not entirely convinced that hidden variables are ruled out. That part gave me a headache...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Copenhagen interpretation sucks the big one, imo'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Define entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one particle knows what the other is doing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point being that some information is traveling faster than light.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Say what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What form is that information in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask the particles'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Quantum entanglement is from ME, not reality o.0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well it seems weird that we could come to a conclusion that particles transmit information to eachother if we don't know what form that information is in'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And the fact that particles are entangled are based on the fact that they transmit that information'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not quite THAT weird, since the Universe did the same thing with inflation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably even related to what caused inflation, but we still don't know anything about the background canvas that is space itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the particles behave in a synchronized fashion no matter how far away they are from each other.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the information isn't transmitted, the system collapses after the first observation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if A observes that his particle is 1, then later B observes that his particle is 0, B knows that A got 1. But info was not transmitted'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it was entangled so that it would be 10 or 01'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the term for what the universe did in the billionth of a second after the Big Bang occurred.  Essentially, the universe went from quantumly small it astronomically large.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Are you talking about energy states?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ahhh. And is gaining speed, correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that came later, I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if A subsequently takes his particle and changes it to 0, nothing changes on B's end. He still sees 0 there'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Changes what to 0?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the universe hasn't been accelerating since the beginning, if I recall.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try deb -h sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Hans, I got my info on that from the discovery channel so I can't be certain, but I thought they said ever-accelerating'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, but what value is 0 or 1, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the bang, then inflation, then it sort of just coasted a bit, then it started accelerating.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Or 10?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves  tachyons
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ahh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just states of the particles'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So energy state'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just labels for the states'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that are related through entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can call them x and y, or 3 and 5, doesn't matter...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, how do we tell if two particles are entangled if we can't know how the information is transmitted, and the possibility of multiple particles behaving the same as those two is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Rather don't than can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because we repeat the process, and we observe that about half the time, A sees 1, the other half A sees 0, and likewise for B'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm asking this out of inquisition, not flaming or anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the states are always 0,1 or 1,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So they're different states, but still entangled? Or maybe them being different states constantly means they're entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, just random chance alone does not explain it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the particles must have that relation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well I mean entanglement is described by constantly/equally opposite states?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you run it a thousand times, but even though there's a 50% chance of being 0 or 1, the states are always opposite for both'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's what I meant, thank you :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not always, but in this small standard example'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So if they're not always opposite, how can they be entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Especially if the speed of transmission of information is faster than the speed of light?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the logical question to ask is, if they're always opposite, how do you know they didn't start that way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then there are more experiments to run...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well you just said only 50% of the time...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And I dunno about physics but any standard deviation over like 0.01% is totally frowned upon'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can twist the particles so you get different probabilities, and see if it eliminates that hypothesis'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'He meant that statistics says it's a 50% chance, but the observed rate is a lot higher.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Oh, weird'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm gonna have to read into this, it sounds really interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, in the first case, where the particles are "opposite", the chance for each particle is 50%, but they are always opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then the next thing eliminiates the possibility that they were being sent out as pairs, already in the 10/01 state'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's really no information that's getting transfered, in a sense. the system just collapses like that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why it's often called "spooky action at a distance"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, I know that the act of observing an electron alone interferes with it's position'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So I could believe that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as much as sci-fi authors might lead you to hope, though, entanglement offers no way to send messages at over the speed of light...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't it occur instantaneously?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think instantaneously is relative lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the system collapses, but no info is "sent"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Especially if we're talking faster than the speed of light'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you can cause a change at one end and detect it somehow at the other end, i think info can be sent'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's just no where near possible now'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't, that's the thing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'can't do what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you caused a change on your end, it just changes the wave function on your end'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, i'll take your word for it since i don't know anything about it :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you think of it as a coupled rv sitting in a probability space, you're just modifying one rv... the base space is unaffected'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the other rv is no longer coupled right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it still is'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'heh, weird :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and will remain coupled on that same space. Modifications made to one will only affect the rv on that side...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'basically, if one is X and the other Y, and their determined by a "choice" in omega, your probability space, if you modify one end, it's like just applying an operator to X. Doesn't do anything to Y'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so there's no way to change the coupling itself... no way to send info'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We're still on this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'physics is fun!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'makes you want to feed your brains to the birds at times, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgZZ82tp5es'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, wait'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'If you cause a change on one end, it doesn't affect the other. Then what changes to A will affect B?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What type of changes, rather'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sorry had to go grab another bowl of sghetti and another glass of wine :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That makes no sense to me. Two particles behave in a similiar fashion, but if one changes, the other does not. That seems to me like you're observing two particles under similiar circumstances... and yes, they're going to behave the same.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you observe that one of them is in a certain state. Then you notice the other is in the other state. Always.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So what if you produce changes to the particle that make it of the same state as the other?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they are entangled in the 01/10 state initially...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the way I used to do it, but I decided that with an equ db, you don't need to keep your portals in one bag even if you do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you flipped the left one, then you get...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '11/00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the coupling didn't change'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ok, so then it does affect the state of the other particle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or flag a special portal as the default to equip in the portal slot, you make it the default by equipping it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'All good Ana :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, it goes from 01/10 to 11/00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the second particle doesn't change'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The second particle changed from 10 to 00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Maybe I'm not understanding the state thingie'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with commas... 0,1/1,0 to 1,1/0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Still... 1,0 to 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's a change, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'initially you could get 0,1 or 1,0. After flipping, you can get 1,1 or 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'In some sense, if in your "original world", you got 1,0, then in the world in which you flipped the left first, you would get 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were at the same "point" in your probability space'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, in reality, you can't just pick the same point in the probability space, since that's "hidden" in some sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'lol i need to do some reading'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'ima go watch deathly hallows part II with my lil sis, I'll see y'all later'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ty for the convo folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't hurry back'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Damn, thought I ignored you Starling. Lemme try again.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'read physics instead of watching fiction!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or math. Math is good too'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I thought you did too, but then your name disappeared!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol I would but apparently deathly hallows is totally different than the book'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And I'm interested to see where it goes'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Peace!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when I was an x2 I talked to Xeno about joining Tao. He told me that they never take anyone at the minimum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean saves vs spells :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IO'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there is a correlation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just pointing out the hypocrisy... too tired to actually debate the points'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was it who made it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some republican. Hatch'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american politicians aren't renowned for their huge intellect'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whee, copy what other countries do if it suits us! No to foreign influence when it doesn't!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because we're number 1, except when we're not!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whoever said that every second thing a politician says is a misrepresentation was probably undercounting. Or found a particularly honest one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing you can do with politicians is round them up and power your electricity generators by burning them'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, comparing the two US parties, it's like comparing petty thieves to bank robbers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of them's somewhat worse'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure that's necessarily accurate'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it depends on your personal ideology'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, thieves don't wave around guns, bank robbers usually do'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans wave guns (warmongering Bush) and rob the taxpayer monies in the banks (Reagan deregulation of S&L)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any american waves guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestion: Mit Romney on "Are you smarter than a Fifth grader" (where the Democrats pick the questions)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestion: Mitt Romney on Jeopardy  (see if he even gets one answer)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mitt romney on anything is a disaster'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'romney on who wants to be a millionaire. the host can never lock the answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear the UK economy isn't doing too well these days...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you guys sound like you're complaining that the republicans will lose power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'How's austerity working out for you brits? Any brits here?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Germany was by far the best eurozone economy, and even they aren't doing well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have any austerity'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usual government pissing about the edges rather than getting on and doing anything radical and constructive (and necessary)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but then again, the brits did 30ish years ago what the US wants to do now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this wouldn't be the first time the UK took a big beating economically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we needed cuts of 25% just to break even, we got 0.7%'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and already the economy takes a hit'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were rather socialist back in the day.  The social medicine front was apparently a big gorilla that they only recently just got out from under, just in time to watch the yanks try to do the same exact thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we needed to cut the budget in order to balance it. What did we do? We temporarily increased it by a huge amount.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'government wastes time on budgets'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we needed huge tax rebalancing and simplification, and we got nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'recession over, back to balance. Typical economic prescription really. Too bad the UK, most of europe, and the US don't have any economists or universities. Oh wait...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you make the mistake of assuming economists are scientists, they're not'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so called experts ... aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are no better than the weather-guessers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't, their models on the other hand...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the results speak for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'economic models can't really predict the future, and relying on them tends to make you lose money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'government medicare requires to provide basics only and only the inwexpensice prescriptions, inexpensive advanced medical care, -- and let the freak genetic misfits pay for their own expensive extra services'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all they really end up saying is "buy low, sell high"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can insist till you're blue in the face that airplanes can't really fly, but it's hollow when one's flying over you...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not flying!  That's falling with style!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'missing the ground!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cancer is a fact of life currently -- if cheap to cure, then the government may pay for that, but if expensive to cure, let the patient pay for the cure'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't cure it at all.  If God didn't want you to have cancer, He wouldn't have given it to you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a dodgy standpoint'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government may as only subsidise inexpensive pharmaceuticals and desist from subsidising expensive pharmaceuticals'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes the presumption there is a god and that he gave cancer to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... in terms of per capita real gdp, the UK has been surpassed by quite a few of its former colonies...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, we should offer up the option to express-lane terminal patients.  Why spend all that money keeping them alive for so long?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government may as only subsidise inexpensive medical care and desist from subsidising expensive medical care'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just another form of Death Row, and we don't need to be paying for that either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'canada, australia, HK (if you count that), singapore...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's due to a number of factors'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think australia may have passed the UK during the crisis...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genomics offers hope of prventing and curing many defects cancers and dieases'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, and ireland, if you count that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among them mass uncontrolled immigration, and a welfare state system that has allowed a large proportion of the populace to be lazy and live for generations off welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genomics (sic) offers hope of preventing and curing many defects cancers and diseases'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but ireland may drop back in a few years'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no reason we should be paying for those, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, because there're so few immigrants going to australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or canada. Or HK. Or singapore'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ireland is exporting citizens to other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ireland exports bombs to other countries, funded by america'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anticipate more St Patrick's day riots worldwide'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in terms of net migration rate, singapore, aus, canada, hk are higher than the uk'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're Irish, they don't need a reason to riot.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'rioting is a national pastime for them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at least two of these have lots of welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just the rates of migration, it's what they then do when they get here, and where they've come from'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, well, if you take crappier immigrants than the others, you're doing something wrong. Why isn't the country attractive to the sort of people that want to go to these other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's attractive to spongers and criminals because we don't have entry requirements and give them welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is in which country with those lax immigration requirements'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha... easy for you to say... australia and canada have pretty good welfare too, and it isn't hard to migrate to those countries...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fact is, the major factor affecting the US economy (compared to its successful ex-colonies) isn't these other small factors, it's economic mismanagement, plain and simple.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are tons of reasons why UK is in a bad state, but the biggest are overpopulation and failed housing policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'overpopulation... you should look at HK and singapore...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comparisons are largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but HK and Singapore do not care if failures are homeless or starve'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK's biggest problem is that it's functioning below capacity'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you see homeless people in singapore? Starving people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't get uk to capacity without shooting a bunch of chavs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the proportion is far below the UK...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did they euthanise them ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they built 1 bedroom apartments and put them there'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and they eat cats and dogs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even small studio apartments would be more humane than not having a home...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest problem we have here is inflated housing costs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the government can build lots of housing with the spare capacity...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should, but it won't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but nooo... the UK has a budget problem! We can't use that capacity!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're in the pockets of the building industry, so it's in their personal interest to keep prices inflated'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, our developers beg our government not to build housing that's too nice...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they want to charge 1m per apartment, they should build even nicer ones...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'build on what and where'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government (singapore) builds housing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most housing is public housing back home...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prompting cries of "what about the markets!" from developers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What are we debating tonight?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Are there different timezones, or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'are there different times zones? or do you mean "should there be" different time zones'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'cause whether or not there are currently time zones would be a pretty short debate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I meant the reference to "tonight", when it is morning here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol my bad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Where you from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'SICK! One of the places I -really- wanna visit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because I've always heard good things about their govt. and way of life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, you just want to come for the blonde chicks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'TALL blonde chicks. XD'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Or is that Switzerland? lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'fjords are awesome, you'll want to check those out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's Norway, B.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...fjords? What's good about fjords?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'no fjords in sweden? :('
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. i thought bert was trolling :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'aw lame I thought sweden had some too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'oh well, go to norway instead then :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Norwegian chicks are nice too '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought swedes hated norwegians'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Heck yes they are. My great grandma was pure Norweign.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, we just make fun of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Very pretty'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho afaik swedes and norwegians are 95% the same :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'got moose in sweden ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup. Lots of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Moose are dangerous. They cause more deaths in Alaska than bears.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'yeah the males get pretty aggressive'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My dad's a principal up there and told me a story about one of the other schools' teachers getting trampled going out to his car at night'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'they are a lot bigger animals than most people realize until they see one for the first time in real life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lived up there for two years and saw a bunch of them. They will DESTROY your car if you hit one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And prolly kill you if you're going fast enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'well yeah they can weigh well over 1,000 pounds, so that would be like hitting a brick wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're fucking huge'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nono, it's not like hitting a brick wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it'l like hitting a brick wall that's hovering 1 meter above the ground'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hah yeah that's true most cars would just take out the legs and then the body gets dumped on the windshield'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And falls directly into your windshield annihilating you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'lol yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was talking about something on history tv today where they admit the government lied to the people about radiation being not a problem to them and showed the contrast of panic they wanted to avoid through their lie - if they're all gonna die anyways then is it an adult thing to tell them it's alright they're not going to die while they die, or to say face it and show them what they can do to avoid death to their best ability?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seemed like a pretty bad example of government lying to them that they're not going to die while they melt'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares if they riot and chaos happens, maybe something'll be done about it then'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a government that treats adults like little children believing in santa clause is insulting'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such is the modern origin of priests'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the 1930's-1950's the government paid canadian women to paint buttons with radioactive material on tanks and gave them cancer, but they didn't get any compensation for their duties - that's a proven track record of government ignorance, and the viability of their technological and industrial advancement's of today'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably all wind up in death sooner or later, cause they're idiots'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since 1950, china's successfully removed (with support of european investors) american and canadian production of their own goods and services, most things produced in canada are sent to asian markets and marketed from there for a profit as agriculture is privatized here (stalin)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence is non-existant, and anything that says made in canada may actually have it's website in australia, it's import manager in texas and it's source in colombia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a nation who can't do nothing for itself's one that can't defend itself in a war'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a slave-state'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if it has the illusion of being rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's easily removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'haha, i was mocking money one day with yahoo and talked about buying a new lambourghini with pennies, how many dump trucks would be needed and staff to count it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'All you need to know about Canada's penny withdrawal http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/03/30/f-penny-faq.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Currency Act states: "A payment in coins b& is a legal tender for no more than b& 25 cents if the denomination is one cent."'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if i went there with 750 million pennies, while it's 750 thousand dollars, they're only obliged to accept 25 cents of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'call that a down payment with 25 cent payments every 25 minutes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When I worked in parking enforcement, some tool paid his $300 worth of parking fines in pennies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nice'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure if money's gonna exist, and pennie's the basis a dollar is fractionalized into, and dollars are the amount in existance, then for each dollar should exist 100 pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government deals in 8 trillion per year, nearly all from taxes, other institutions deal with even more'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '8 trillion dollars is 800 trillion pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting rid of the penny gets rid of the dollar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the dollar is the new penny, otherwise 25 cents represents nothing, there is 4 cents per dollar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world says there's 800 trillion trillion dollar's floating around the world, then they should be able to point out where the gold that weighs /1000 ounces of gold is so people can verify they're not selling themselves to a con artist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gold standard right?  should be quite a few millions of tonnes around'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what retarded rocket scientist figured out that with canada lifting environmental sanctions on national parks for petro china replacing petro canada along with a yukon gold mine on indian reservation nature preserves the value of the dollar would go down'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much shit can you put up wit in a single lifetime'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the stuff people go nuts and blow up world trade centers about'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although things like that don't usually happen unless they're funded by the people who made the value of the dollar go down with the chinese oil company going up'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see it anyways, i don't agree with terrorism, but to me the government and the con artists who invented it look like terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all are a bunch of crooks as far as i see, and since they defend the game that oppresses everybody they know that'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and yes, i should be able to buy my lambourghini complete with a 1500 dollar cupholder add-on in pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they disagree i could always hire a bomber to drown their dealership in 750 tonnes of uranium'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fat ass mafia lambourghini salesman never worked a day in his life except to inherit his daddies occasional interaction with a millionairre customer come and do some counting, '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll even roll 1/4 of it for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''it's more complicated than that' there's a mind of over 100 rich men watching over how complicated it is, they share a secret that's too complex for you to know, it's not complicated at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's money today, a plastic card and trust that the computer system can't increment or decrement your wallet at will'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over 7 billion people slaves to a absolutely fraudulent system'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's like that plastic money they gave you to play with in kindergarden as you learned how the real world worked in all it's artistic splendour, you'd sure give it up for that transformer the other kid's got wouldn't you?  too bad they won't trade for your junk'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same logic doesn't apply to the adult world though, cause they don't learn how they learned about money and it's value, cause that value wasn't even there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if any kindergarden teachers who sold themselves to selling kids to money recognized that or not?  or politicians?  or computer programmers?  they all got some money and people who trade transformers, no harm done'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the shine's all in the mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since this mind's based on retardation the source of the root of all evil can be seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian government there's saying that the dollar is absolutely fictional, 25 pennies is all you can legally spend at any given time, but things costing 26 cents and above are everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about morality, that university professor sucking 1975 penises to pay for her bachelor's degree from the educational government of moral's isn't very moral of a trade of knowledge is it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they claim money's based on the knowledge, selfless immoral buy some guns and bullets don't ask who's being shot'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid shit, government shouldn't be some flimsy piece of ego trash'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute motherfucker!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you got much of a heart down there making people suck dicks and shoot strangers for oil companies that you can use that excuse in not taking my 26 cents?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ass bitch, that's my answer to everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aarfari: '-10 h'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you got vagina monologues i got rastafarian bolimalogues'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i was a billionairre i would buy everything in paso's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a neat thing actually, paso is a platform carried on the back's of people, and peso is the name of the money they're enslaved under'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sound almost identical don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i detect a cynic not written of in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come they never do a history television programs on the mockery of generations of people through liturgy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's people who actually mock life in charge of life on earth, while most people don't mock life and follow them to their premature graves'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe that coincidence was just a random, random means there's no mind behind it, and both words are under a mind of worship, held in high esteem'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm against wage working, producing things is fine but am i being paid fairly?  never, wear your happy cap and uniform, put on your fake smile cause you hate your job but there's 1000 others who can wear that fake face better than you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it never changes eventually nobody'll be left alive anyways, that's where the world's headed to now, like lemmings swimming to that island that doesn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they sell their lives for shit that wouldn't buy a transformer in preschool'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid, shit's all there already, some fat great maggot mock lifer say's it's in his yard though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hate people like that when they don't keep their yards reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you was like predator on your alien farm coming to keep the vermin in check, and you seen that all the humans were worshipping their enemy, would you wipe them out or what?  i'd get along with predator aliens pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody on earth can be reduced toa  pile of animated dirt that think's who's in it doesn't exist, because dirt is unintelligent according to atheists'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some lie's tellin me what's what, who the hell is this?  the dirt won't remember either of us, why should i?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that hate or science?  maybe it's retarded, but dirt's unintelligent and that's what we are, twitching membrains of forgotten nomenclature'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good old nirvana, at one with nothing, the all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad most people aren't as evil as that, otherwise the government wouldn't be as full of shit as it is, self-denial extremeties'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nahh we can't accept that, even the most evil person on the face of the earth is afraid of thinking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most evil people get their kicks out of causing others evil or playing a justice game in their mind, a little pain for a little pleasure, eye for an eye but not too much though, just enough so that i can feel sneaky'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like that when it's on as large of scales as it is in the world, individuals do whatever they do, but governments and shit are where they do that, and when they themselves take on the personage of those within them's abuse they become devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to be atheist to the core is like i said, then there's the possibility of satan which is obviously stated'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and god too, i'm open to all possibilities, what's your take on things?  feeder on ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '.. true patriot love, in all thy son's command .. with glowing hearts we see the rise the true north strong and freee, from far and wide oh canada we stand on guard for thee.. what if there's con artists running oh canada, do you love the canada word which encompasses an area of land administrated by the enemy and a traitor, or can you safely hate the name canada because it's led by feces and you're not into scat?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence my ass, claim independence in any nation on earth and the united nations maybe will be the reason why your nation was led by people you hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they don't have all the choices '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the UN would accidentally launch some tupolev bombers from russia onto parliament hill for trying to take over the oil sands and reduce destruction of dear canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we could cut back on 90% oil production and still drive vehicles at the same rate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i call them the united nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you know BENIN is a member of the united nations, and in that country they dismember, cook and gore children suspected of being witches?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's directly against their membership codes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they sure have alot of tourist resorts there, yeah, happy time funny joke world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do your united jobs you are as i say'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so while the United Nazi's BENIN member is voodoo witchcrafting some children for the gold agriculture mineral monkey's, the great threat of syria looms on the horizon sanctionary iran'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got some high tech defense against prevention of mutilating children in benin you betcha'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard work to prevent that compared to syria and iran who have one a lake between itself and russia , the other all kindso f stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better pick on the dogs that bite the hardest, cause they got the worstest of the worst human bleeding heart rights abuses around'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might even cut up albino children for european gold mine funded good luck witch craft rituals'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or execution squad some malaysian gold miners so the american company has government funding for the soldiers on their private island'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of jokes running the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i should have been born a general and kicked the shit out of all these posers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch out they have elephants and machetes!  holy christ lords, your 2 kilometre range sniper rifle stands no chance or even your howitzer'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whole war might just require some education, but christ of christs, oil is more important, we need to fuel the tanks for tomorrows gladiator arena'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's hilarious that people fear nuclear weapons, but canada sucks american nuts instead of having used it's relatively unlimited supply of uranium to tell russia and america to back the fuck off'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not enough staff?  import some mexicans'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they insist on isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you do as i say .. or else'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jfk style'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was it mussolini?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunker busting 8000 megatonne torpedo comin atcha, submarines the size of the kremlin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen absolutely nobody make the link between the allegations of the mafia's involvements in the assassination of J.F.K and the mafia's involvement in the overthrowing of mussolini in world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you need a link?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but somebody here points out that hitler, mussolini and j.f.k all were catholic's in service of the pope'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.historyasfrontpagenews.com/from-hitler-and-mussolini-to-jfk-the-pope-meddles-in-politics.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe you could discuss gear enchanting with him...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i can see more clearly who runs the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so was it the mafia world war 2 caesar jfk, the military, the pope or what'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, when it comes to running the world, the mafia is small fries.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both JFK and Mussolini wanted to uproot the Mafia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and both were publicly executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america used the mafia to exterminate JFK, or was it the other way around?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mean mussolini*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'allegations that the mafia exterminated JFK is what they make movies about'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it possible that pearl harbour being bombed was staged or based on faulty intelligence by the russians or another besieged entity wanting american involvement?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that'd be alot of hardware to sacrifice if it was an inside job, but insiders who do jobs like that rarely think money is a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not really allegations :) There is enough evidence to substantiate their involvement. The only question remains is how involved they were.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the mafia which is a criminal organization based on living off of welfare cheques in luxury in taxes and things like that, maybe not from it's foundation but eventually, is in charge of the cause of world war 2 and survived, then that's not the kind of problem you want to keep hanging around the world is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Luciano, at the behest of Dewy helped the federal government police the eastern seaboard docks  and root out german spies. In return, Luciano was pardoned and reteurned to Italy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why knowledge is a good thing to spread, wake the fuck up, there's only so many welfare kings on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, well, the crime israel holds against spain to this day is keeping a ledger of how many ethnic jews were in its border at the request of germany - and today there's not a government on earth that doesn't do the same for all ethnicities'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying it's odd is all, the objective of Mussolini seemed to be to make the government of Italy fair, and that was seen as a great crime worthy of a world war'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and JFK's assassination too, judges all worked for the mafia etc in chicago back then, probably do today as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that all on history shows'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both mussolini and adolf hitler were world war 1 veterans too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'demonized eternally'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen a single history show discuss the crimes of the stasi, their method of execution by shooting people in the back of the head and not telling their family a thing, giving their kids up for adoption, torture, rape, etc, alongside the nazi they replaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and their subsequent move into government there, the united nations security council, universities and banks across the globe'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they never got punished'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the media dare not mention the KGB doesn't exist anymore except it's ex-members just rule nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the STASI wasn't unique, and while brutal, not the most brutal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it'd be good to show people the christian ethics of the one nation under god they claim in their national anthem though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show what kind of 'the child shall not be punished for the sins of the father' systems they placed into germany after they invaded it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do the jews follow their bible?  probably not'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course historically they only use it when it's god's will that a nation be destroyed by their greedy king solomon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of greasy fuckers, world war 3 is made neccessary by them, that or total death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SAVAK was much worse.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure there's worse things all over the place, but it's a secret see, you can't research the stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only what they show you or didn't destroy, and dead people don't say much unless you're into necromancy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't research the CIA, except for the Hollywood scripts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'secret polices forces are secret, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'police*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe not all mafia are bad people, i'm open to that possibility, lots of them are probably born into a certain lifestyle and inherit a train of thought that they don't recognize as wrong, because themselves weren't victimized by it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but in this world somewhere is people who are evil through and through and they know better'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they shouldn't have any rights or protection, no proesecution by the law for wrong done to them, nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, well'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money protects them though, they're rooted at the top of the world and they never get replaced by good people, or people with good intentions, or fair minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like JFK and mussolini's similar objective, wasn't against human beings having control of their own lives, but about removing those who are against the interests of the many from profiting at their expense'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read about a person in new york city or a couple people, who said no to paying the mafia taxes or a % of their business that they paid for, both being murdered'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's what you pay the government for their protection police services'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can go to afghanistan and invade some foreign russian wargames but you can't even clean up your own streets'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a bible saying, first remove the beam from thine own eye before you can see clearly to remove the mote from your brothers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrites'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's a good reason not to pay taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hypocrisy is something that's part of the job description. You can't be truly deceptive without being a hypocrite :> '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who rule people unfairly are a crime against god in my sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fair can be a democratic understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when in history has anyone ruled fairly?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people can have the god of their own understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ptah was the closest i could see'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are referring to the god Ptah, he was not fair by definition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ptah was a human being at one time too, maybe he used the name of a god or was deified after the fact, and name used obscenely giving you that impression'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there are legends. But Ptah himself was a legend :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amun means the unknown or hidden god, ra means the revealed divinity - it's possible both or neither were ever people at their onset, but it seems those names were used by rulers too, maybe human in origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amen's also the ending of most psalm's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well "amen" is  Hebrew word'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ptah was a priest that i read about who advised the ruler of egypt, so he was a ruler of egypt, professing faithfulness and fairness with eachother'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must be thinking of Amon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had quite a few stone inscriptions of his teaching's, if they were accurate it seems that's more of a fair leader than any since like those perverted roman mural's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which makes all that is said about him sell job :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'melchizidek means my king is righteousness, he didn't tariff in gold though - he chose bread and a 10% tithe of community gathering's, which was distributed among the needy and supported the church'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'however he went through and through isn't well documented though, assumptions only stem from the corruption everywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's mentioned in the bible a couple times though, a jewish figure that they don't seem to esteem very highly '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he wasn't even a jew'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses father in law was a priest of midian'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. There hasn't been an oligarch in history that wasn't corrupt.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's because system's were destroyed that prevented corruption from happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not acceptable to remain as it is, solution's get JFK'd or Mussolini'd though if they're not democratically understood, because 1 person isn't 7 billion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even in Athens, the cradle of Democracy, wasn't very democratic :) '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the word democracy by definition is every adult member of a set of people having an equal say in an issue that affects their lives by that group'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or every member since children are people too, just how well do they understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever understands then has a say, and hiding knowledge isn't a very pertinent thing to make a democratic decision on'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your bachelors degree in computer science hid behind, maybe 8 years of school, 225,000 dollars of loans from foreign bankers and teachers who have no personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'way to build a strong independent nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thoughts are money'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody was a doctor society wouldn't be as healthy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not everybody wants to be a doctor, but most who do don't because they can't afford the stretched asshole of their tuition'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am too cynical to think that only altruism drives would-be doctors, or even that altruism is a big factor :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'God complex :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that's why places where mid-range universities to top-end universities exist housing students have the highest levels of whores in a given municipality'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just paying off the ability to have a piece of paper that says they did a think'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i did a think see, i know how this think r works and got 50 blowjobs to prove it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now i can count your insurance companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if the doctor just gets an M.D. from Fuck U., he will still be well off financially. He won't be able to exact a pound of flesh from his patients, but he'll nail them for a few ounces :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got nothing against doctors, i just think being a doctor shouldn't be hidden behind a wall of faggot bankers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggot as in fuel for the fire maybe, since god's wrath is relevant to some religions archetypes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here, hand me that faggot. I want to light a joint :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was one of the memorable words in The Return of the Native :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they replaced the word negro with slave in all mark twain novels because it was too racist otherwise, freedom of speech and history and all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'soon enough wood will go extinct because it resembles what the word faggot originally meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in context in the novel tom sawyer or huckleberry finn weren't being derogatory to the black man in the story, which the word slave automatically implies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'washington seen it the not seeing it way though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of all the things they could whine and bitch about, '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that just pisses me off'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they make mark twain look like a racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he wrote his story unpatented unintellectual unproperty of his imagination for people to read and they fuck it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now perceptions get distorted because slave means what most people are to most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they call eachother nigger in almost every rap video they play to the adolescent MTV audience'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they glorify selling crystal meth to buy porsche automobiles and whores'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're concerned about the word negro in a novel written in the 1800's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what kind of retards shape your society, i'd be concerned if i was you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Jay-Z has over 500 million dollars and possibly some shady human-trafficking operations in south africa, he's glorified by the american media like he's walking pharoah tuthmose and his steps are golden, but his music lyrics detail selling drugs on the streets of new york city, getting children hooked on drugs and rolling in the proceeds'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they play his music to criminal's having their recreational hours in the lounge at school'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched it at a prison i spent some time in, how all the gangsters huddle around the television set and absorb the inspirational video, what they'll do when they get out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mexico's the only government on the american side of the world that wants to filter american media, venezuela has most of their media outlets murdered and replaced with what theirs wants said, whether it's who to kill or what to think or whatever, the criminal element's there though, cuba media, china media'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'korean media'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all are mind control'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if you don't watch television, your neighbour does, his attitude is shaped around memories of it from time to time, tendencies he adopts either aware or unaware'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about public schools or social gatherings, what's the norm at work?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of seeds that the media sown in that all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why hitler and stalin liked them so much, and why it's stupid to think they don't do the same today'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at video games, how innocent they are and funny time, lets play mario and luigi, then comes the normalization of mortal kombat and unreal tournament, perversion - taboo leisure suit larry - oo, now you can whore whoever you want on games commonly played by children, like grand theft auto'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sell some drugs etc, all kinds of fantasy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blow up the terrorist or be the terrorist, they include it all in their 'art''
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blind ass world, they don't even care about avoiding future holocausts and similar crimes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mourn the mistake mortified instead of perpetrating a solution from repeating itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause they're just lazy kitties licking their cream'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some shit like that, i see a cult at work or satan or some shit, cause you can't live with yourself like that, ask any post traumatic ear-necklace wearing soldier what they think about living with murdering people'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you don't have some higher/lower being hiding you from judgement'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some say that's what satan provides his servants, a shield from the flames of purgatory until they're of no use to him'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not even considered that the majority of holocaust victims were the poor being eradicated by the rich, but one mentioning is that they were who hitler said cause them to be poor and soviet spies were in the dauchau concentration camp, at the time joseph stalin was starving 10 million USSR civilians to death unneccessarily and moving into poland, murdering 10 million more civilians on his way'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i can see that the poor are always the first to go, like your cost of housing and cost of living'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the living allowance given to a member of american congress inflates with the cost of living, minimum wage, job availability (along with the population fluctuation) and social assistance for the unemployed (where's the jobs?) don't though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they starve people out of neighbourhoods and normalize scorning them, cause they don't have a job, cause there is none'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'concentration camps had jews they say who would be the foremen of the other jews and to preserve their own skin would work them all to death, it's similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh look machines doing all the work, and not even here but in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'geez what's my kids future, you know employers and universities privatize whether they get hired or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can work your honest ass off sacrifice whatever you are to the devil and your kids will still be unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if einstein was a poor man the nuclear bomb would never have been invented, too bad i guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's rich king of israel though, lots of time to do the think think, he doesn't even have to cause he's so rich it's a hobby'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'nuclear bomb would have been invented with or without Einstein...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'einstein refused to build the bomb, he discovered the pieces they used to make one'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without his revelation they would still be blind '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought it was the implications of his research, rather than something he explicitly determined.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GentooX: 'its only a matter of time'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'A run-away reaction, done in a controlled manner.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'name one profession on earth that has the best man for the job doing itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lenin was big into that, firmly resisted by the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'Aardwolf head Imm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortbus Stutz grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the homepage states fairness and stringent adherence to the rules with 0 tolerance for cheating, i guess it's a matter of individual judgement what you think of what you see'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with due respect to Einstein, I believe that his refusal to work for Hitler was more driven by his ethnicity than his ethics, though I am not ruling out that they also played a big part.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Heisenberg had no uncertainty concerning working for Hitler :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'einstein was in the US by the time hitler came to power...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'going back to Germany after Hitler came to power would have been a bad idea, so...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and, it wasn't hitler he refused to work on the bomb for'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though I think Hitler hadn't reached yet the level of insanity that would have caused him to put Einstein in a concentration camp.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I realize that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good, then my statement fulfilled its intent'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Wait, there's an actual rational debate happening on here? Heavens above...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're mom!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas killed the debate.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Also...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas FISHY!!!!!
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hello, lady :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, I have to get fooded :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, just read this in a Youtube comment...sound like anyone we know? "Good on the guy for attacking these TREASONOUS frauds working as? revenue collectors for the I.M.F over the bankruptee U.S. Corporation whilst all going back to the City of London (New Jerusalem) and their bosses at The Worshipful Company of Mercers and The Worshipful Company of Security Professionals. Beware the slave system of the Cestui Que Vie and lock up frauds in clown outfits claiming to be police when they DO NOT uphold Lawful Common Law, instead holding UCC/Admiralty."'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'awww he's not on at the moment to defend himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Are you trying to impersonate Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You guys be nice to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, the abominable druzil is ashamed of his pointing out of corruption at every avenue of your existance, and he's not the only one who doesn't see what's there, we are legion, we are many'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and we shop at walmart!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'somebody tell Druzil that I'm with his mother right now...he still has me on his ignore list *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is your name name the newfie?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tell him yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wonder why he put you on the list...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'true satanists must be proud of their evil corrupt rotten heritage and stand tall in the face of adversity that is the rule of their master lord'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'practice openly that which is hidden in darkness'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wtf is a true satanist? Don't you need Satan to exist for the cult to be "true"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's true of any religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all a matter of unintelligent design'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and if Satan doesn't exist, who the hell is God working against?  Man?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, the phrase "true satanist" indicates an assumption of facts not in evidence.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actually, one translation of the revelation of the bible is just that, god destroying life on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'God, Satan.... As LeGuin says "Light is the left hand of Darkness" :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that gnostic dead sea text version satan makes the skin that adam and eve wear (human bodies) and traps the souls of fallen angels in those meats'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, had to update my file: !Chemosh used to be Druzil used to be Necroshine used to be Druzil used to be Kheftiu'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's gross but they got a neat story version'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not unless they are multiplaying :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lucifer was the ship's first officer who led a mutiny and got his ass kicked :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worshipping their own destruction lake of fire glorified walking on glass burning devils in fiery torment forever (harrowing torment in islam) fields of gehenna, waste disposal and the combustion of the world all around you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but god was not strong enough to destroy the mutineers, just to evict them from the ship :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people are waters and the men are flames are two verses, moses parted the sea, a temple divided against itself how shall it stand, to the flaming mount which cannot be touched, and the g-smut'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'another limit on God's infinite powers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oil energy worship nuclear tunafish'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'horse dog food factories'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'automated gps tractor navigation systems'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'god then took off and is now just arriving At Bernard's world :>>>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'securing the oil 8000 miles away'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all makes no sense except to the imagination and whoever made it happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bernard's is 11 ly, iirc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the stories are perfectly fine, it's one's own vanity that makes one misunderstand them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cults are definitely epossiblle though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in high places - even says in the bible, we deal not with limitations of the flesh but principalities of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Chemosh.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'self-doubt only works as far as bringing parishoners to mass to discover what they did wrong and how to remedy the hell that they fear might be real'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'woah Dakkar. Isn't "another limit on God's infinite powers..." an oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you ever want to figure out religion, here's a simple rhyme: I am God and He is me, there there's Satan, he is we.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am just thinking that one with infinite powers has no limit, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a neat saying, the character ouroboros in the movie the darkness can go along with it for contextual analyses'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything has a limit, even if self-imposed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't have limited infinite powers, that's nonsense :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think the same being who made some good things possible is responsible for removing those things from this world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the devil seems like a good hex to the assumption of your ego being the false accusations predominant in mythology'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the Bible, God says something to Noah after the big flood.  Something about never again doing what he did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'God said "Noah, Noah, hurry up and shut the doah"\'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'makes the End Times rather interesting, I think, since he's basically going to break that covenant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The End Times? You mean when the universe grinds to a halt due to entropy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, per the Book of Revelations.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say tobacco kills people, people kill people though, and while many think they commit suicide by smoking while still being near helplessly addicted to the substances, the substances that keep them coming back were added to that plant by men, and that dosage was more than doubled in the year 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and "Times" makes no sense, the universe will only halt once per per cycle :) So it is "End Time".'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at the behest of the japanese government study passed to american congress and passed to the public within 5 months'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no episode of W5 or CNN special interview with what it is about cigarettes that makes them deadly'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I had better revelations than John did when I dropped 2 double tab once...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just the plant itself killing people or what people did to the plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a double tab*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smoke, but what?  i thought it was tobacco'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'radioactive lead 235, formaldehyde, cyanide, nicotine, etc all doubled since 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am personally fond of 235Pb :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they put weed in cigarettes.  It's what brought down the Dukakis campaign.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i knew i smelt something similar to cannabis in it, good observation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it actually has some weight to it, but who knows what the purpose of all them lethal chemicals are'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they don't put enough weed in it, though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government doesn't seem to provide a if you drink the water be prepared for the cyanide punishment clause in their constitutions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by the time you get high you have lung cancer :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, you're not supposed to inhale!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh yeah, death big mean death, scary stuff, gets even all the killers eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what did you think Bill meant when he said that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not an atheist so i'm optimistic that vengeance will be met in the end'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the only thing Bill inhaled was the sweet tuna smell of a fine cigar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was one of the things that push me away from religion. The god seemed to be someone I wouldn't want to have as a friend. The type of guy that would surely do hard time upstate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tobacco and water what the hell, that's absolutely different.. both are natural occurring substances with chemicals added'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one just happened to have its dosages doubled in 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many people responsible for manslaughter of , each year the equivalent of a small city dies from tobacco use , people since 2005, maybe 1975'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'closer to 1951'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have more than enough illegal immigrants to flagrantly waste a few.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got quite the lung track record.. 500,000 * 62 = 31 million casualties of chemical warfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god bless american surgeon generals and their wise japanese advistory panel'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you know the suicide rate of south korea is 40 per day?  post-japanese stress disorder or something apparently'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 with their superior numbers, they have mastered the technology needed in mastery of detecting homicidal and suicidal behaviour, even for use on exported automated gun turret systems'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The South Korean defence company DoDAAM is also developing robotic gun turrets for export which can be programmed to open fire automatically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unemployment rates are profit margin's, never forget'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'It's not 40 per day.  It's about 15,000 a day.  And it's not even the highest.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war is big business, without war all them soldiers would be unemployed, then where would we be?  recession of recessions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bbc claimed it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '15,000 ?  that's a little high to not be murder statistics in a genocidal state'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'sorry, meant per year'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'So yeah, you're about right'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'US is close to 100 a day, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america had it's highest suicide rate in 40 years in the year 2010'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of military personelle and others i guess, war is solving problems everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'built-in population control. First you get rid of the weak. Then during "peactime" they mate like rabbits :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention the remaking of the gene pool via rapes and other fun games.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million dollars is maybe the exact amount of a twitter donation, similar to a 2 billion dollar donation on a earlier date - lots of money for a computer program isnt' it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million you could probably make 1000 miles of fibre optic cable and hire the company to plop it in the ground'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fiber optic should be biodegradable :>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'neat idea, sort of like twine used to be when it was made out of hemp'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, but the information would also be "biodegradable" :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge of temporary things is degradeable, some things seem to last forever though, do you believe everything they write about 75 years ago?  i don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'requires faith either way and imaginations will always compare the past to the present and come to their own conclusions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the world was probably smarter when most knowledge was learned through books instead of computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'today it's smarter within the invention of people, books anybody could have invented, this here is privatized stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one person does 1 trade and that's all they do all day every day of their lives, they're not diverse, being diverse is a recreational activity instead of a requirement for survival, every day is a punishment repeated cycle of the day before with new annoyances to add to the buoyancy of living death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch the show last train home from china for instance, over 125 million migrant workers there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how the night club sticks out, the rebellious choices, the boredom, and the simple life that they had on that farm'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'full of diversity and respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people like some kind of robot world life, i learned to hate it after i lost the other one'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people function under minimal cortical activity :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'video games are only fun until you learn what kind of people invent them, the type of people not many people would enjoy the company of'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like unreal tournament etc, maybe not all games, some programming languages, microchips and computer companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'banks all go through them, money's what you live for, they own your owners of your life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the purposes behind some of the games are purely scientific or statistic in nature, even if the artistic developers arent' informed, there's over 17 terrabytes of data collected on the game everquests user interactions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people thought they're just playing some fun mario cart kind of game, while their brains are being dissected en masse and their tendencies compared and manipulated through these mechanisms'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the government doesn't prevent that from happening, which is their job'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 2007-2011 the hollywood gamers released a game where you can be a taliban or a allied forces hero and seeing who will become what, probably recording it on their permanent civilian records '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There was also an Alien vs. Predators online game released.  Guess they also know which the players will choose when the time comes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of video game huh, like what's the difference between one organized criminal organization selling your children themselves, drugs, alcohol, extortion, etc and using those proceeds to invest in legitimate businesses, whether or not they swear allegiance to a jehovah - and whatever terrorist you see across the ocean peddling opium, which is more valuable than cotton, whose stocks exxon's shareholders happen to own'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right i seen it on a pretty low-key documentary video, afghani farmers choosing to grow opium or marijuana, because cotton couldn't afford to buy bread for their family'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and who owns those stocks - is the owners of exxon, they made cotton worthless'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if you pay attention to the media now you see that big heilings of satan are going towards a german woman who made silk cotton threads from bovine milk'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of mutating milk into clothing lady gaga outfits they could have raised the value of actual cotton and manufactured more clean clothing (mixing threadings of garments is abominable in the bible)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while at the same time providing a legal means by which somebody who doesn't want to deal in drugs could feed his family'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, I like Lady Gaga :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't saying nothing bad about them, everybody knows they go around wearing meat-dresses though, i don't think there's a single media station that doesn't mention it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alien versus predator is alot different than taliban versus america in a ea sports video game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if you can see some distant metaphors'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I can appreciate the move toward non-natural clothing. But, we would not even consider clothing now had we not started wearing animal skins a few hundred thousand years ago...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'predator using human's as breeding grounds for their opponent inferior species hatching for the hunt etc, i'd probably choose to be a human who thinks they're both full of shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so where's the similarity'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to make it sound outrageous like i'm unreasonable in pointing it out, what's it about?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'job shortages, more whores for hire, and where do men go to pay for them?  to afghanistan of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all makes sense, god is a misguided phallus'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait! Are you saying god is a dick?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he is to some people, who knows?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm trying to see the outrageous similarity between alien versus predator and the war on terror in ea sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it all depends on the god :) Bacchus seemed to be a party animal :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My point was that it's just as preposterous that the government cares which one you choose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so far i found that women are whored and theres always work for whores but men not so much, they have to go and invade the inferior species before coming home to plant their seeds, which hatch into the aliens?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe it was the milkman'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the government doesn't care, but explain some of the statistics and studies science does'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take a trip down Santa Monica Bl. some day :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the marketing section of sciencedaily.com is rediculous enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Hollywood part of the street :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course they're monitoring everything they can about everybody in their world, that's only limited by peoples fear that they have more power than they do (like the matrix trilogy) and the actual control they do currently have'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people aren't more than lab rats (otherwise tobacco wouldn't be spiked with murder and blamed on tobacco)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'acne cream gave people liver disease in the 1960's, now they release 100 new formula's that they say are clinically tested every 5 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you realize that if you have a mobile phone, they know everything you use it for :) If you ever lose any of your text messages, just ask the phone company to restore them. Or to read them aloud to you :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somehow people threw caution to the wind, not even mentioning the past as they accept the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's unintelligent then i hate to see what's smart'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, and the camera's placed into playstation's are there for your gaming pleasure and not recoinassance missions on a civilian scale'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the duck hunt guns couldn't tell where you fired it, it was impossible to play dancing games interactively without your image available to the monitor'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and adobe flash player had a setting on by default, through maybe 85 million web browsers + which allowed any remote website to remotely view your web camera'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most laptops have one on the top of the screen or thereabouts so you can just about imagine what kind of things they had that setting on for'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm that's a stretch. Not that it's not feasible, just "why bother?". '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's off by default now, but the setting's still there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now anybody with a playstation has a remotely accessible video camera inside their house'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the communications are limited to the internet, but i did hear about protocols using electricity alone'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in 2015. Purchasers of television sets will be asked to optionally since a model release so that their private moments, as captured by the tv set, can be shown over the internet :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's radar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'optionally sign*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess you'd have to build your own generator to obscure the voltages sucked in from the outside to obscure that possibility'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't put a tv set in the bathroom!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially those with olfactory enhancements...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost none of the chips in your computer are built by hand either, only the bigger pieces are'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the computers that assemble them are guarded by the military of a foreign government, which makes them all the weirder'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would they be built by hand?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'chemosh are you druzil's twin brother or something?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and dell somehow can't afford with all their corporate contracts to hire national residents of your nation to man their help desks'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's also true for washing machines, cars, and hair dryers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and hare dryers, too :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'are those for drying rabbits?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yep :) they build up a sweat while mating :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Go ask Alice, I think she'll know...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 1985 or 1986 america had a computer company that had security in mind, not even exclusive military, their computers had dynamic byte sizes, dynamic word sizes, dynamic register sizes and amounts, dynamic operating system opcodes on processor modes, and within that operating system, dynamic opcodes per application programming level within the system'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'that rabbit was late, maybe if he would've used a hare dryer he wouldn't have had to wait so long to air dry'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if those would have survived i don't think microsoft would have made it very far or ibm, because espionage is made almost impossible in those computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and he died...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'finding some flaws from the outside requires alot of guesswork doesn't it?  almost too much'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chemosh, that's an impossible machine for our level of technology.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in 1985 it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'chemosh, dude, it's called haloperidol, take some'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'it'll stop the voices'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the company was dismantled because they were just too real'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only frauds survive in the business model, especially for critical infrastructures poisoned on accepting them into their marketability'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they was around as the victor and weren't usurped by crooks over time like everything else, then there'd be no need of an antimalware industry for instance, and the inventor of nvidia's current ageia physx technology claimed that a simple pci card was sufficient for all calculations required for a well programmed game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that of course turned into a double decker double card setup rig with 1 whole card wastged on unneccessary calculations'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nearly everythign to do with these is outrageously expounded upon to grease like a dead cow, which was a hacking group in the 90's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'wait... is chemosh just druzil renamed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody can learn c or circuit design if they have to or want to, but they closed the doors to optimization along with the economy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Can we make fun of you for taking this long to figure that out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'wow that took me way too long to figure out....'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei blinks innocently at Bertilak.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak slaps himself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make all the fun you want, right is right'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can cide with the enemy all you want, like it's written the god of the world is satan and you know not what you worship, whatever you find acceptable and i find detrimental must be a retardation to not carry into death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only pick shit at systems that govern millions of peoples lives as a whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, actually you are wrong, Chemosh is not Druzil renamed :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like bullies picking on retards, which you might think is a cool thing to be, or maybe like a priest picking on a supplicant'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a judge on a negro'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever you like, they're the allegory to that concept that i hate, on a large scale'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'qu'est que c'est "negro"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the taliban ceased to exist today and american media was freely operating the minds of afghanistan civilians, how much better would the world be compared to if they never made war on iraq in 1981?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to this movie i watched from hollywood they even armed that group of people against the soviet union in 1987-1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alien versus predator again..'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that'll never happen though, that's the part that nobody seems to get'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world war 2 lasted from 1938-1945 or so, that's 7 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is now 11 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's almost like a gas station'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind being proved wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's also possible all the death and stuff you see on television and history is lies, as mention in the bible is 'there shall be rumours of war' and 'mass destruction''
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe the world's jus ta big satanic cult playing revelation games'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that case then it's me versus everybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like your god is yourself and we are satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but be not trouble, for all these things were foreordained...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus on his ship having a nap, pyrrho's syllogy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever it is, i'm not letting the root of it rule me in death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i have to be god in my imaginary afterlife and imagine that existance exists then that's a fair tradeoff to serving my enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the legend of heru behutet and the winged disk, the sun ship of ra set on course, the people are waters once again, moses divides the sea and leads astray the masses, the angel comes to jerusalem once a year to move the waters and heal the first one in'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak is agreeing with that Redryn person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'covering up the majestic masonry in the illumination of the adept and the priests under the table of bel and the dragon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'I think the tumor in his brain must've grown by a couple of inches lately.  He's even more incoherent than usual'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever death is, you're a space between a thought of is and not, maybe that murmur in your heart will teach you a lesson about which is which'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'either that or if he uses some script to generate this stuff, it has gone haywire'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a sanitizing thought to remember that all of your enemies are only a pulse away from death, which is why atheism is so popular, spiritual warfare requires more strenuous measures because you don't know nothing about it according to your atheist religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can be both too maybe, don't want to be off guard do you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i should have been dead about 15 years ago if some tumour was gonna kill me, maybe i'm just genetically superior to your fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't empathize with your fear of death, it's momentary illusion and mostly homicide by the government which i pointed out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'yeah I'm beginning to wonder more and more if this stuff he says is all just script generated'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's almost impossible to live a more unhealthy lifestyle than me, maybe it is impossible'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty close though, and for that time frame, i don't think very many people would make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fully comprehend the reasons behind several people committing suicide, they went ahead and did it but i had similar experiences to their own, some of them possibly alot worse too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you'd be well off to go to school with death too and learn a little bit about psychological torture'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of you and your friends just repeat the same thing over again, coming up with nothing original or thought provoking, introvertive projectile psychometry'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think you can think like me and thus encompass the realm of my existance within your own and therefore your imaginations are my reactions to your stimulus, or so your mentor was'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he was lao tzu or somebody'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever it is it's not beating me very far as far as your mental versus mine goes, and you still haven't been the lawyer for your government that puts double dosages of cyanide into my tobacco'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm so retarded i point out to somebody that they're a murderer while they murder me'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you ever seen the movie chopper?  had a sick scene in it where his friend stabs him but he gives him a hug'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatcha do that for bro?  ah, the pain is nothing, come here, i want to understand is all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was to take up arms against the killer then how do i know which of them are in on the secret, and which are just pawns in their game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of course to do so would be a terrorist thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i could join protests instead, like they're ever heeded when not greek'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dear government, i noticed that you follow int he footsteps of the flavour aid of a cult leader from the 1970's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that double dosages of kamikazee cyanide science reminds me of joseph mendele'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it possible that it's not merely tobacco that is killing people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well it's rediculous isn't it?  do you think they'd answer me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you have a better strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't smoke, smoking kills'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, but besides that, was it the tobacco or what they put on it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during prohibition some say that the new york police department seized shipments of smuggled booze and spiked them with poison to dissuade people from buying it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they died cause they was alcholoics'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those poor fools, daring to avoid the wrath of don't drink, drinking kills'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who drink sometimes kill, drinking itself rarely does unless it's like pure alcohol,'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they put some cyanide in to it though, then they're in business, the surgeon general was righteous all along'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actually a person with the surname of noris like chuck noris was mentioned so maybe it's all fictional, or maybe it's how come he's so popular'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'killing people for the government or something gets you social status in the future of your great nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and water?  in mexican and argentinan gold mines they mix part for part of water with cyanide and drain it back into the local water table which the citizens have no say against the foreign investors local politicians and law enforcement'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so drinking water sometimes results in off-hand flavour aid cult killer homicide investment opportunities, and buying wedding rings doesn't make much of a gift in that regard'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least it's not strictnine, that's some nasty stuff to die to, get all cramped up and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'give you nightmares'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's basically the same stuff, i dont' believe gold's really that important or oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you live in hawaii it doesn't get very cold very often so how much gas do you gotta suck? you live in canada or russia or china it gets a bit colder though,s o you have some reason to require some heat'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society could be or could have been or was worked away from the natural evolution into adapting those sustainable living conditions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and wedding rings, maybe they can do some laboratory analyses on every one and trace the origin of the gold to within 30 metres and then study how many metric tonnes of human corpses were sacrificed in their procuration and advertise the products with required bodycounts on the entrance to every chapel'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a government dictator i'd be into that kind of stuff, why kill them with spiked cigarettes?  just point out reality and let them see just how ugly the world they think they live in is'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be good advertising for shell oil company or something to have portraits of mortared children decorating all of their price signs'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they was a casualty of how you drove to the station'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every drop of fuel going through your automobile was sent to you from saudi arabia and not alaska and canada or south america'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil progress, we see no alternatives'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody was talking about people suiciding by train in california on yahoo earlier and now one of the advert's on youtube is a song called drive by by the band train -- while they were talking about that i said it's a very terrible way to go isn't it?  also one of the methods the criminals use to drive fear into those who rival their will'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7HsLfht7Bk'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think suicide by cop is waaaay cooler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many people have access to yahoo and youtube to make that level of a deception'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it just a random thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it could be, but it's pretty funny that they'd be discussing killing people with bandsaws and other things like trains and then this advertisement would come on a mudvayne link on youtube'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick fuckers on yahoo, i guess they're similar to some here though'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in control of youtube'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'View botters!'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say things like that to imply they're going to kill me and feed on paranoia'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then they use things like youtube there to support their sayings and they can use these devices on any citizen in america '
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sure, if you're one of the mass of the mindless.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'subliminal messages etc, it's all there in history of yahoo chat, they log that stuff somewhere so you can check times and stuff and compare the coincidences likeliness of not being related'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But really, what intelligent person pays attention to ANYONE telling them to do ANYTHING.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Within reason*'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if somebody's talking about coming to kill me and is in a position of government in america or something like that then i listen to them, they're at least a manager of youtube and yahoo'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I tell them to fking bring it, bitches. I have the right to bare arms.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want to assume i'm going to go whacko and shoot random people thinking they're one of them or something like that, but i don't work like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Bear? Bare? Too buzzed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody's gonna kill me then that's their problem , i know the things i killed in my life never left me, maybe that'll happen to me and them'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm lost, now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my life isn't too spectacular really, only thing i do would cause anybody to want to kill me is being crazy, and that's just fine with most south park fans'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Over-generalization sux.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they started it back when i was still learning my abc's'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they insist they must win this war in their heads that they objectify as myself in their mental warfare games'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of morons, might own the world but the space surrounding it's not yours, and neither is my mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Bro, it sounds like you're already paranoid. Youtube don't have to do smack.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just fed what was already there, the suspicion that they are involved in fucking with me'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The government doesn't care about you as an individual, they care about misleading the dumb masses that will be genocided when the Illuminati comes to power. Dur.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one of as many examples as they provided, could you explain the coincidence?  maybe it's just random, but i find random to be difficult to comprehend on that margin of things to name your band, sing about and advertise near the time of'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's some kind of link most likely to what the person was saying on yahoo earlier, myself and what they put on that website'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what they are is some kind of mind-control system'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...and? You're getting this now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'deny reality until the end, doesn't change a thing except how long it burns'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You need to cheer up and listen to some Zeppelin. Mudvayne never ever affected me that way...'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't give up, my mind doesn't worship lies cause it can't understand the absolute truth, it tests them constantly and accepts only what appears real'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you represent a false-god here in my deiary of mental acceptance to succumbing to ignorant worship of my enemies flawed logic towards the estuary of thought which tests your claims against the facts you ignore with the basis of your judgement being duty impaired and repeating that of your mentory which i outstaffed in the orign of things to come'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty stupid hey?  i know that, birdy thoughts and lies, which angels fly in your sky?  somebody elses?  do they have a face or live up to no standards but their own?  and you dont' even know who they are, but through their actions they're known which is how to detect ministers in the bible and spirits whether they're good or evil, the level of disguise of the demons written about also considered and to what depth the devil can appear to be other than himself to lead you astray, and the simply obvious shit like that youtube advertisement and the people threatening me and playing with my paranoia on youtube earlier are in fact linked to one another in the attempted mind control technique which you say doesn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'wow, that's a lot of random words'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind tells me it does though and through deeds and factual considerations proves that to be the case, your denials are false god to me not based on any testable understanding at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and you're a lot of random mis understanding'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'therefore you are in service of their group of soldiers that make war on my mind repeating your mentor who you can't see beyond'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you don't even understand everything he taught you and just lash out because you're stupid and afraid of beeing seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's impossible that your self is not the same self that i see speaking in yahoo chat'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either you are the same or else you are both brainwashed to be the same, soulless'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's wrong with mental warfare and chemical warfare by the government?  it's against the geneva convention to wage chemical warfare especially on citizens but double dosages of cyanide in cigarettes neer made it to switzerland's united nazi round table'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they never even mention it on the news, that's nothing , it's a false god that's a real god, cause you believe it's nothing or so you say, therefore you rpove your master by who you defend'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'explain how increasing the dosages of deadly chemicals in cigarettes weren't placed there for the sole purpose of murdering civilians and maybe i'll leave that one alone'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more than doubling them, if you compare a package of cigarettes ingredient label from 1999-2006 or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happens in new york city stays in new york city, like those people who tried to sell cigarettes not provided by the government for cheapter on the side walk and were persecuted by the local police force'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no guarantee they have the proper formulation of death rate analytics in their product'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's it isn't it?  or do they care about the health of their smokers and their revenue from their death'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if you double the dosage of nicotine, cyanide, formaldehyde, tar and a few other things in any consummable contraption you probably got murder on the mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the united nations claims weapons of mass destruction and biological terrorism is in iraq though.. while some scientists in europe modify the h1n1 flu to be adaptable to any antibiotics used in it's treatment'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for fear it might reach the terrorist they have stopped development'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so is there any terrorist in the last 30 years besides pol pot in cambodia who murdered over 500,000 human beings in a single year by his addition of poison to their consumable resource supplies?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or did he not kill the equivalent of a small city on the warning label on your cigarettes'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tobacco kills with the assistance of chemical warfare by your government'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'aren't they slick'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no huh, that was a river in ancient egypt, not sure which one but it's funny huh, that's what i hate about the government and their use of words like justice and law'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and united nations thinking they're some non-corrupt organization of un-nazi's, while they live up to the acronym united nazi just fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's japan saying to america and canada break geneva convention and double the dosages of chemical warfare added to your tobacco plant which is the cause of death'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the plant itself didn't kill most people who died cause they smoked cigarettes, the government did'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're putting laws in place to allow the police to snoop realtime on phone messages, emails, and internet traffic without the need for a warrant or just cause'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone would think I lived in China'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'employees of phone companies can access that information online any time the want. So if you were feeling safe before, sorry...'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't, but then i don't use phones much'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's dispicable on principle'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every time a law is passed that infringes on constitutional rights, the people just nod and go on.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The odd thing is, that in countries where there is no such degree of freedom as in the US, they fight fiercely for the little they have. While in the US, the people watch their degrees of freedom shrink almost on a daily basis and they don't emit even a grunt.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the while sneering at the "unfortunates" from the totalitarian nations.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. i live in eastern europe and we have more freedom. americans just think that they're #1'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a constitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nearest we have is Magna Carta, which isn't legally binding'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually in the US you can invoke the Magna Carta in a court of law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'officially, the US is derived from the Magna Carta, so the document is binding.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here it isn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US constitution*'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who needs a constitution anyway? The USSC just "interprets" it anyway they see fit so the actual document is nothing but paper stained with ink.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so is chemosh the new druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey chemosh, were you druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy fails because idiots vote...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy fails because business votes?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'well, you can't hug every cat'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I cant eat cats'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cheap shot - state/county/etc will not vote for me to eat cat'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ive already had a go at a few ppl individually - and they have  been .. meh - they know'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17540452 this seems like it could be possession to me, although it's also possible like they imply schizophrenia and horror movies since he was 8, 7 years, though he did seek psychological aid in an effort to thwart those voices before the problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which doesn't seem like something a cold-blooded killer would have done, plotting and scheming with intent, he'd probably not want to be averted from his path'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It also could have been a psychodrama... adding a sense of storyline into his life.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And when seeking help for saying he'd kill people didn't work, he killed people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was badly worded Oaf'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm in combat, I was in a rush. Basically just a plea for attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understood you, i considered the same too, it's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'basically the plea was an attempt to validate the voices in his head as being real or they could have a real consequence is what you're saying, sort of a hostage situation'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while that's possible i still think he could have been gunuinely trying to escape an invading spirit or uncontrollable/disturbing thought pattern, since he was so young and maybe the dilemma of god being real or not (want of spiritual affirmation) wasn't as prevailant in his mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just guessing though'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"demon possession" is likely to be theatrics -- demon(s) usually dislike calling attention to the fact that demon(s) exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which is why they managed to convince you it's theatrics, or schizophrenia or insert preferred diagnosis here!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'diagnoses "fakery" '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when demons kill humans, there are usually a (deep karmic) justifiable reasons'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie the entrance and the movie the darkness pose similar questions of identity, along with the amytville horror and the exorcist, the real person's in there somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nobody does that message better than Identity'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a recent case in canada of a man on a bus doing a horrendous crime with no known motive and perhaps not much of a recollection of what they done, but mental illness assumed - in the movie the entrance the demon possesses the characters, but at the ending the character possessed is released right before the person it tempts pulls the trigger, which doesn't happen in the movie.. that's the ending'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people after having killed somebody having not killed somebody before feel a cold reality hit them that they can't back away from, shaking away alot of the dream world many live in, and some of the crimes in the world and what's known about who done them seem fairly surreal/disconnected'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using movie fiction to support a lamebrained psychological demon-possession theory is amateurish (and incompetent if publishing)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like a feeling of absolute doom, especially your mother or somebody no matter how much you loathe them, the knowledge that they're gone from the reality you learned about them in forever can hit pretty hard'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder about them moms protecting their kids...if they suffer from that sort of stress, can they really be fit mothers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so people who seem to feel sad but unsure of what exactly happened i don't place into a box of mental illness solely without alternatives being possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are not speaking from experience (about the alleged emotoins after a first kill of a human), then do not add to the inane crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I am, but not from military experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think it's actually the kill that messes folk up, so much as all the crap that happens surrounding the event.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more likely the crap crap that others attempt to project onto the event'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never killed a person, i considered it though, hated them some of who passed away, but i did kill animals with hatred for some people in mind before (when i was young) insects or whatever, i wasn't seeing who was actually there though, and later on i realised that i couldn't take it back no matter what i tried, the intent and action was there but disconnected from people only in what i directed it at, and after several years of living i realized that what i hated wasn't going to go away through destruction unless it was absolute, and that would include things i don't hate, which just sort of made me not be physically violent to anybody else since i was a kid or to reduce it, i had lots of time to ponder though which some people don't seem to do much of, maybe the elderly do it most'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'old people often seem wise'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i done might be done to greater or lesser extents in alot of negative actions in the world, projection and satisfaction of the temporal desire to destroy'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or like a symbol of hate, talisman etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm glad i never killed no other people though, having animals on my conscience was enough to turn me away from alot of bad situations'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea behind a punching bag is often what gives it's hitter passion and drive to hit it'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'boxing as schizophrenia.. haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'healthier outlet if you don't hit other people though, that's what i mean though, lots of actions could have similar in them, hatred and desire to torture it cause it haunts you'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but going too far with it can shake people out of their hiding place and sort of warp their minds in retrospect as they remember what they done over and over again, maybe put off until they're elderly like i say, which isn't seen as the desireable age to reach in the modern media'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The problem with using pillows and punching bags and stuff is that it conditions you to that sort of release.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And then it becomes hard to deal with stress in any other way than violence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, shadowboxing is usually included in the curriculum of most boxing schools too though :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they remove the need for contact sort of from the might of the fighter'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they still exert their frustration in some identifiable way'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so today, i talked to a crazy guy, and he gave me the name of a good therapist, then asked me about communism and transistor diodes. then asked for my number.... Should I have given it to him?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he wanted to find out if we'd lost world war 2 if we'd all be under communism, and i told him no... we'd be speaking german'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sure, why not?  It's not like any of your personal info out there floating unforgotten on the web, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar i dunno, do i have any personal info?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did you mention to him that the communists were on our side of WW2?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I told him the russians were on our side... but it took a few tries'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the conversation advanced to liquid plasma crystal televisions'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then back to transistor diodes, pearl harbor, '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'china as well...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then finally back to the russians in the cuban missile crisis'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nope, he didnt care about china'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, more like the communists weren't on their side :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried to explain turkey and operation gladio to him, but i dont think i got through'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Undertaken Anaristos's question.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and anaristos, the germans had communists too, not just the russians and the chinese'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"had communists"...not "were communists"...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc well as a nation they were predominately enrolled in the national socialist political party'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and since marxism, socialism, and communism are similar but not the same...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but hell, the US had similar attitude to communist countries, as far as the war was concerned...only got involved to save our own hides'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc well, that and because to not be involved wouldve meant we'd no longer be a world leader'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'falling behind a succesful germany after ww2 would have turned us into weaker nation...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't get involved to be a world leader'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, we already were one'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we actually did fall behind Germany for a while there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but we sided against germany not on moral grounds, but on practical grounds'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we sided against japan, who was sided with germany...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we then got to chase the spectre of world communism afterwards for 40 some years.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes, but we also sided with finland and italy at points'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and sided against japan, yes, to save their collective hides...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and as i recall, we were in compact talks with the japanese via sec of state cordell hull around the time they bombed pearl harbor?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so we almost didnt even fight the japanese expansion in the pacific'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had waited another five years, it might've been too late...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the "Japanese expansion" of the pacific is rather a misinterpretation of what was going on.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos re-conquista?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would look at it more like Roosevelt wanted to enter WW II at the behest of the British. Public opinion was againt him. The Japanese had signed a non-aggression pact with Germany (because of the animosity between Japan and Russia). The US goaded the Japanese into thinking that the US was about to attack them. So they preemptively attacked the US. '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that's how Roosevelt got the US into WW II.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos oh? well , i was taught that the japanese military recommended to the emperor that when they expanded into the pacific, that the u.s. naval fleet would interdict'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and that they felt a pre-emptive strike was justified'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think interdict means what you think it means :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the last thing Hirohito wanted to do was to go to war with the US. He did so very reluctantly. Not to say that some in the military command wanted to go to war with the US. That's what military high commands always want to do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos can i get a job as a military high command someplace?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do i enlist in a non u.s. paramilitary force?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, just go to your nearest recruiting office :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'while carefully taking steps to not be involved with any organization in open armed conflict with the u.s. or our interests'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'answer an ad in Soldier of Fortune :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos my nearest office arent hiring for upper echelons'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos the ads in their are mostly for schools'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so answer the ad :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's one for a muzzle flash supressor though'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US armed forces is always looking for cannon fodder :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos you said military high command, not cannon fodder'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'stop bait and switching me as if i were a strap on!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude glares at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what they will do to you at the recruiting office. I am just preparing you :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos well the us military aint hiring unless you're a teenage female'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have quotas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so what about foreign non u.s. paramilitary groups'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who? the teenage females?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like say, former blackwater/former xe, or the french foreign legions or so on'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I told you, read the ads in Soldier of Fortune.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I DID!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'want me to read it to you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, thanks'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I have it , the economist, forreign affairs, AND shonen jump right here'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can always form your own batallion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos no you can't... filibusters arent lawful anymore'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think he knows that many people'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'move away from the US, then recruit a "boy scout" type group. Buy AK-47s on the black market and put an ad in Soldier of Fortune :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos ak-74s are easier to get'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont even need black market, just a ffl'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then you are good to go :) See you at the next war :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what war?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we havent declared war in like forever...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on drugs!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on poverty!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on healthcare reforms!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on politics!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on... war!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on exclamation points!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is agreeing with that Redryn person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well mister kennedy, you can't say that dallas doesn't love you. !'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US doesn't declare war. Though I think Afghanistan is officially a war since it was approved by congress. Same with Iraq.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Korea and Viet Nam were officially classified as police action.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that why our mia types in viet nam and korea are still in prison and not afforded pow status?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of the reasons'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, do you think that in the 1990s, when people in u.s. law enforcement were unsuccesfully trying to put a stop to the human sex trafficking method referred to in the news as ' rolling harems' where women were taken and kept locked in and transported across state lines...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they would have benefited at all from modern anti human tracking legislation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it more of not a change of practice, just one clarifying policy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, you can take the lowjack approach. But the problem with that, it would not have stopped there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every time the government comes up with a way to "fight" crime, it ends up using it to control the general population.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos that's doubtful... as the general population is the one that puts the government in power... have you read leviathan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am hoping that you are being naive on purpose :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'calling me naive is not charitable, and therefore goes against the spirit of a healthy debate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, when you make remarks like that you are either naive or trying to make a joke :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, leviathan is a famous political treatise.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what part of reading a political treatise requires that i be naive?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'best way to fight crime is to make sure that almost anyone who wants a decent job can get one'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi I want a decent job!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can i wear my silk tie too?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'almost, meaning not-vampiredude.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said "[...] as the general population is the one that puts the government in power". That was either an instance of you being naive or you were making a joke :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi did you know to even get a job at a mortuary or funeral home they want you to have at least an associates degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude bursts into tears.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos well its true'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... depending on where you live, the jobs situation may suck'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the general population in my country (usa) put the government in power'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by fighting a war of revolution against the british imperialist army of king george '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unsurprisingly, places with very low unemployment tend to have low crime rates...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US Revolution was not about independence from Britain.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos its history, so it must be somewhat true'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate sonshi i've heard romania and alaska both have low unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does that mean that they have low crime rates?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then read the history. The US wanted equal treatment from the Crown. They really did not want independence. Though that is what they got.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos and by fighting that war we put the government into place'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romania's unemployment rate looks pretty high to me...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi only if you put it as per capita and not per person'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't know about alaska...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi imagine if we had a jubilation style freeing of everyone in u.s. prisons... you think our unemployment rates would be improved ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, rates are used for comparison. Otherwise you'd say that china's population is richer than the UK's'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you freed them, both unemployment and crime would go up'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi but dont prisons have retraining programs so that prisoners will have a vocation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'such as knitting or farming or so on'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've heard a lot of ex convicts end up working in meat bucthering plants too'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they can teach each other stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if you just open the doors and kick them out, as it seemed you were implying...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friend went on and on about how the swedes handle crime google it have a look they have a unique approach if I rememver correctly there system of gov't is interesting to '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'no we don't have any special approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'My friends was saying something about how a majority of the most serious offenders are integrated in society still maintaining jobs in special apartments kinda like halfway houses cept yours are supposed to work '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'VampireDude, the general public elects the member of the houses, it doesn't elect the president :) The US is a republic, after all. The landowners are the only ones allow to vote. The US landowners are the states.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms i think its unfair to the taxpayers to not rehabilitate convicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they want it, we should rehab them and get them working and paying taxes to support their compatriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey maybe i could get a job as an annoying parole officer'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'shrug im in canada and m a a couple m8's bounced around te idea of first time offenders having the option of boot camp I think that would go a long way stopping the creation of career crims'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms i dunno, i heard the royal canadian armed forces are sissie-boys , in the weak sense, not the homosexual sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yes but some of little boys are addiced to systems ie foster care group homes its pretty natural to slide right into the prison system whereas if an oppurtunity to try another system out was presented one might not spend the next 10 years in and out to finally figure it out :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms or maybe there just arent the resources available for them to go anyplace else... just like how the brits sentenced children of convicts to live in prison '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye our armed forces definately lack for resources and we can get into the whole use the resources from the prisons and blah blah honestly I think the whole things a cash cow more so in the states than here'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i wisjh i woulda cauht the start note'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'miss'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'U DRUNK?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'OR JUST TARDED?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, want to make a baby before i sober up?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'tarded thanks for pointing '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is usa the only country where people taser old women?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friend has a police document that entails him having to be tasered while strapped to a hospital bed....'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'entails?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'entrails!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '11 cops had this teenager surrounded they gunned him down 6 shots I think he was waving a knife around but still he was surrounded charge him with a shield or pepper spray him guess accidents happen '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I actually have alot of respect for peace officers but ye crazy shit happens ina crzy world :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where would I find a peace officer? Or did you mean piece officer...?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'look in the mirror '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'spelling police ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know what a peace officer is, I just would like to find one :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'haha o'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're easy to find... got a dunkin donuts chain?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for most police, you can't tell the players without the scorecard. They behave just as the crooks do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its sometimes used as a joke, but they really do stop there every morning'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the joke has roots in reality :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '2 sides of the same fence '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the belief that human nature is affected by one's job or uniform is unfounded. Just because someone has been hired as a police officer one can't assume that th person is morel, ethical or has the tax payers' best interest in mind.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dunkin anything like the addiction canadians have for timmies or is it just another donut shop ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'moral*'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I  do think peace officers should have more maturity we make a doctor go through 8  yrs f school to save lives its 6 mos training i think and u get a weopon with the authority to kill with it '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms doctors dont usually risk their own life'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe like they should have a post secondary educ as well '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms sure, who pays for that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the rockefellers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the doctor got through it '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'its done in some  european countries '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they should, at a minimum, be tested for potentially anti-social attitudes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they are at least in canada they are '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so I need a license to drive, catch a fish, ownn an firearmn , but any tom dick and sally can bring a child into the world  '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Move to China.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'excuse me? You want conception to be licensed? What next, breathing, taking a crap?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can't... the chinese want me to have 6,000 yuan in the bank to get a visa'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im just pointing it out '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyone wanna spot me 6,000 yuan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hey.. I've seen the things some people do to public toilets. Defecation SHOULD be licensed..'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke there's a fine for public defication in new orleans.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'apparently mardi gras just is plain ole shitty at times'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The point, Ryke, is that he is suggesting that natural processes be controlled by the government.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oops, defecation, i cant spell my shit tonite.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Oh, I know. Were we supposed to take that seriously?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he meant it seriously :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'my idea of government is one that doesn't exist :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what's the most polite way to tell a girl she's overweight?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Outta my way, you fat bitch!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just kidding :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you are on a mud, you take any girl you can get :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dude, type faster.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka ruffles Undertaken Anaristos's hair playfully.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why does the subject of her weight come in to play? If you are concerned for her health, be straight. Don't beat around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, if i'm straight about her health /weight then ill have no choice but to beat around / masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'buy her a salt lick for her b day '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are a prevert.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms... yes deer'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nah, just a cunning linguist'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Undertaken Anaristos ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, did you know the army re-assigned their mos # to linguists? they're 35s now not 98s =('
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you think there's a thelemic significance to that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if that fails bail of hay'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'whats thelemic'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'give her a  lap-band gift certificate?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms hay baling works better with baleful arkansas siblings'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms, my name is not Googledude'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sigh that used to be me till i moved out into the middle of the mountains to try out dial up '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms dialup rocks... you just need satellite dialup through iridium'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'google page still loading sec'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'k query in '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o looks interesting brb'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'still loading '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i tried to get sat but the gyuy took to long now im snowed in '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so fat she'd probably take a millenium to load.  I hope you have a fast internet connection.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im buying a bobcat for next year :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom will take more than a Bobcat to move her bloated ass.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke claps at Starling's performance.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'front end loader?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so fat she couldn't be moved even with a Liebherr T-282.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms that sounds nice, its a heat wave here'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you near kotka finland? i'm in the usa.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'woah lag'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'bc canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'island or regular?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'kootneys'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do they still have the nations highest incidence of child prostitution?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as a province?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol really '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they did in the 90s... but keep in mind not all prostitutes answer truthfully on questionaires'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I just moved here from calgary alberta mostly '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sick of the city :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, if you or your mother were a prostitute, would you answer truthfully on forms?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Obviously (Friend) VampireDude is in love with Starling by the way he's looking at her.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it must be a 24-hour shop :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'g n '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hello'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i listened through a bit of a chat on yahoo earlier where a black nationalist was claiming that black people are living god's and white people are animated zombies sort of, or so it seemed he was saying - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francois_%22Papa_Doc%22_Duvalier i just found this and it's interesting, reading through haiti's bbc article, apparently he had a cult of personality and championed voodoo along with hosting only the ethiopean leader there once, (which has a place they say has the ark of the covenant in it since the 1500's or so), After the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963 - which Duvalier later claimed resulted from a curse that he had placed on him - he was being criticized for misappropriation of foreign aid though'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe he was just being cynical in a morbid way, already having a bad rep and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'He maintained a notoriously lavish lifestyle (including a state-sponsored US$3 million wedding in 1980), and made millions from involvement in the drug trade and from selling body parts from dead Haitians while poverty among his people remained the most widespread for any country in the Americas.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Duvalier Relations with the United States improved after Duvalier's ascension to the presidency, and later deteriorated under the Carter administration, only to again improve under Ronald Reagan due to the strong anti-communist stance of the Duvaliers. <-> imagine that huh, how friendly america is to horrendously evil places, ceding it's own integral national values for possible stance in a mediating nation, which could use that to the advantage of a takeover or something, i wonder how deeply they consider stuff like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you gotstabe pretty wacko to be making money buy selling the body parts of your dead citizens to foreigners'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biznitch Isabelle: 'I WIN!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'this isn't a cross-fire commercial'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'you don't get to just go about yelling I WIN  all willy nilly'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'k i mentioned somin last night but seriously just watched this guy cast 40+ buffs I mean really...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17595526 She said East Germans who were shot trying to flee to the West during the Cold War had only themselves to blame.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that odd, how they persecute people under state law at the time in germany accused of being nazi war criminals (at 83 years old sometimes), and they lock them up for the remainder of their lives while asking for extradition, but stasi crimes against humanity aren't dealt with similarly'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they be?  a person is a person aren't they?  who's german?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're complaining ov only getting 2000 dollars a month from german pension plans in chile'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'arrogance at it's finest, if that sweet old lady lookin person is what they say'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monstrosities, one from haiti one from germany in two days, nobody seems to have an opinion on neither'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm german, i don't know about anybody else there'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's druzil from canada, btw. but he can't hear me right now :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least i drew them out so i got somebody to hate'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd have to verify their childhood and thoughts to excuse them'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how long would japan last in a war against china?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets say they had no limits'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'what are limits?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nuclear warheads and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who launches first?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it takes for ballistic missiles to reach major cities'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just curious cause it doesn't sound like anything will ever solve those problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and korea and stuff, russia'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america seems to arm terrorists against democracy's, so america'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's because they are more useful there rather than not-there'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Every detainee who will be admitted to the general population may be required to undergo a close visual inspection while undressed, Justice Kennedy wrote, adding that about 13 million people are admitted each year to the nations jails.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '13 million?!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The important part, is how many of those offenses are non-violent.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't imagine violent crime being a large proportion of that...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. According to a supporting brief filed by the American Bar Association, international human rights treaties also ban the procedures."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another 5-4 decision. What a surprise...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Wait. Are you talking about a strip search? Cause they've had that forever... along with delousing./'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the news summary of the decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"According to opinions in the lower courts, people may be strip-searched after arrests for violating a leash law, driving without a license and failing to pay child support. Citing examples from briefs submitted to the Supreme Court, Justice Breyer wrote that people have been subjected to the humiliation of a visual strip-search after being arrested for driving with a noisy muffler, failing to use a turn signal and riding a bicycle without an audible bell."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I didn't know violating leash laws or failing to have a bell on a bike were jailable offences here...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, as far as I know, those are all offenses that aren't punished with jailtime unless there are warrants for other crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Most of the time they'll hit you with a minor offense, run your name, and see that you have outstanding warrants for something else'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... apparently this particular case involved this guy who paid his fine, but the system said his fine was still unpaid...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so he got arrested and jailed'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, the actual decision - http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-945.pdf'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not jailable offences, unless you fail to pay the fine. Then a bench warrant is issued for your arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, probably only jailable when they think you haven't apid the fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't require a conviction, though, it seems'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to be jailed, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'failing to pay a fine is akin to contempt of court. Thus the bench warrant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when you are issued a citation, you promise to appear in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ie. you can be jailed for non-jailable offences'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not being jailed because of what you did, you are jailed for failing to appear.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's from page8-9 of the abovementioned decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, and it was obvious before the decision.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, it cited a past case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in practice, an infraction becomes a misdemeanor when one fails to appear.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, there's no need to be in violation of anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there is no violation then there is no offense :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can be jailed if you are suspected of an offence, even if it is non-jailable'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if such suspicions are baseless'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'something had to trigger the police action.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, according to the court judgement itself, whether or not there was a trigger is irrelevant'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but that's in the books. Every section of the penal code has a section with suspicion in it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so yes, you can be jailed for violating leash laws, even without a fine, it seems'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it is before any conviction'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it has to be explicitly stated in the language of the leash law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't be jailed for something where jailing is not an option.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, you cannot be jailed after conviction for a non-jailable offence, but you can be jailed before.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to repeat... "The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can be arrested :) Jailing means serving time. Being arrested means being detained until you either post bail or appear before a judge.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the language is pretty clear there...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay, but you can be strip-searched upon detention'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the law also state that if you are arrested you must be charged with something within 48 hours.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'insofar as being put in a jail cell does not amount to jailing'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if papers are not filed within that time, the jailor will, on his own authority, release you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so yes, you can go to jail for a maximum of 48 hours even if you didn't do anything wrong :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, you can be put in a jail cell for suspicion of a non-jailable offence... and strip searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'suspicion of committing a crime is not the same as committing a crime, they are covered by a separate section of the penal code, or in the case of the leash law, by a city or county ordinance.''
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad to be strip searched and put in jail for 2 days for suspicion of violating a leash law or littering or something...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and quite illegal...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not according to the supreme court'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not true, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-945.pdf'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't say what you think it says...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'page 8-9'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quoting one sentence does not the truth make'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it might be sad, but, generally I wouldn't feel so bad. For one thing, the act is so trivial that the authorities will not take a chance and jail you on suspicion unless they can back it up. So if you indeed did litter or allows your pet to run free, too bad, if you are jailed, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was quoting a past case. The current case affirms that you can strip search anyone you're putting in a general-population jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like your claim that the suspicions can be baseless is entirely false, legally-speaking'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cops are not going to cruise by you and grab you and claim that they are arresting you on suspicion of littering. The law suit would make the event not cost effective.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which should be the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless they thought they could back it up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what would you sue them under? The current decision is quite clear. You'll have to depend on the fact that most police are pretty decent...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rather than the law'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'false arrest'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, not true sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'F the po po'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what you're reading into it simply isn't what the laws decree'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's only illegal if they can't think of a decent reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are ways to arrest you that would not make the cops look like fools :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's enough that they have a reason to suspect you...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially since littering is warrants a ticket, not an arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if they arrest you, there is more to it than just littering.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, how else can you interpret the decision?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(directed at abe)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are seen lettering, so they stop you, they run your id and find out that you might be connected to a drug cartel. In that case, they might, might, arrest you on suspicion of something. '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'littering*'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd interpret it as what it's a decision on, which has nothing to do with the discussion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the majority opinion is a part of the judgement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the cops started arresting people on suspicion of littering. I wouldn't want to be in City Hall whey it gets burned down :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely, it just isn't part of this discussion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that part I quoted is part of the opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also, Sonshi, so decisions by the court are very narrow.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a reference used, it's not the decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some*'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and another part might be clearer...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"It ruled, based on established principles, that officers may make an arrest based upon probable cause to believe the person has committed a criminal offense in their presence."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need is "probable cause"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, that's obvious. We know that already.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is this news to you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's been part and parcel of US law for as far back as you want to look.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also understand that the strip search ruling does not apply to the vast majority of jails'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the keyword is probable cause Now, the cops can get very creative with that, but they still have to walk the line.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this is for gen pop facilities, not for cells'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what I was saying is, you can be arrested and jailed for suspicion of a non-jailable offence'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi, but I am telling you that if all the cops have is the non-jailable offense, they are not going to arrest you. They would lose a lot more than they would gain.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't, typically, but we're depending on their goodwill, not the law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they arrest you with that excuse, that means that, probably, within 48 hours you will be charged with something else more substantial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, we're depending on the law...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what is there in the law to prevent them from jailing you for 48 hours until they are forced to release you, after suspecting you with a non-jailable offence?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read more carefully than what you quote, particularly between the two paragraphs that you keep quoting'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a law against false arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the opinion is not saying that you can be jailed cuz some guy thinks so'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'suspicion is not a trivial thing. There has to be some evidence that you might have been involved in a crime.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the opinion is stating that sometimes the decision of whether to detain you is harder to make on the spot, and concrete determination of charges can take longer to figure out'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'up to 48 hours :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes... but nonetheless they can jail you for a non-jailable offence, until they "figure it out"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the 48 hour rule does not mean that they acted legally, nor that you cannot sue'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course you can sue... that one did. And lost.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that one should have lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and should've been jailed'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, if sonshi is right, it is insane. It can't be right. '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and should've lost her children'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether you think she should've been jailed, it wasn't a jailable offence'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'however horrible you think she acted isn't exactly the point here...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it was, just not as cited'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'over here in the UK, there's a thing called an ASBO which can make any behaviour into a jailable offense, even if the behaviour is not actually illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Congratulation, you live in a police state.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yep, 1984 = british government operations manual'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, when a cop in the US decides to arrest you on suspicion of something, he/she must consider how it is going to look in court. If it turns out that he was blowing hot air, he is going to lose a lot more than he gains.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really... the courts tend to rule narrowly. If it was non-jailable, they would've thrown out the case based on that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, if it was jailable, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, all western countries are turning into police states. It's just that the anglosaxan countries are a few years ahead of the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, they throw out the case based on what it was appealed under'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, the plaintiff's case relied critically on the fact that the offence could not result in jail time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some cases are very narrow. You can't make a sweeping decision that might affect other stuff that is not really related.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it could have been jailable, it would have been mentioned...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'child endangerment is entirely jailable'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at the time of arrest, that was on the table...they were nice enough to only charge the non-jailable offense detainment, and she tried to fuck them over it'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you leave your child in a car by him/herself in a hot day, someone comes by and hears the child crying. You are apt to be arrested.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regardless of whether you think so, the court didn't rule based on that, when it would, if that were the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the court wasn't ASKED to rule based on that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and again, if you read what statement the court DID make, it agrees entirely with my statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you like to read one sentence and pretend that that's what the court's decision was'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for..."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, she argued that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are confusing arrest with jail time, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes. And the court would have ruled against her based on that, if it was not in fact the case.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no sonshi, they wouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't forget that in a police state, media is controlled. Don't trust them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because of the parts I've already talked about, which is between the two paragraphs you keep quoting and keep working hard to ignore'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they would be in error if they issued a ruling that was overly broad rather than focus on such an obvious problem with the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US, for all its faults, is not a police state yet. Cops will not detain you unless they can back it up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not going to have you sit in jail 48 hours just because.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unless you are a "terrorist"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they correctly wanted to address the issues that they described'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with the police.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"terrorist" are "war criminals" as currently defined.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that part inbetween about drugs is an example of their justification...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice justification, but still makes it a police state imho.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and quite clearly supports my statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if she was under the influence, she doesn't stand a chance :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and she shouldn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when they detained her, they were choosing between (small drugs) no seatbelt and (redistribute drugs) child endangerment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they gave her a break.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, was there any "probable cause" related to a jailable offence in the first place?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see the point. They could have screwed her over and they didn't. Then she decided she wanted a complete free ride.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there was, why did they rule that "The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too broad'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whaddya mean why? they said why'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also understand that the case you're talking about is not the case that you're quoting...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must remember that if the decision is broad enough, it will cause other cases to come under review because of the decision.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as opposed to ruling that it didn't aply in this case because there was probable cause that she did in fact commit a jailable offence?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, this case is a previous case, not the strip search one'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the USSC screws up on a decision and every man or woman currently convicted will be looking for a lawyer :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like there's probable cause for someone caught with drugs when it's close to the demarc between personal use and distribute'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is a case quoted by the court in the opinion for the current one'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, sonshi, but it's a quote of a quote...not the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So, Sonshi, you are saying that the cops erred because hey chose to detain her on a minor charge rather than on the child endagerment one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe I should dg up the opinion for that case too...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remeber, if the cops arrest her on child endangerment, she will lose her children, at least temporarily.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it would be wiser than what you're doing now, which is ignoring pretty much everything presented :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you want to read 2 lines and interpret them like druzil, have fun :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, that was uncalled for...your interpretation is closer to xyliz :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aside from the decision you should also read the arguments presented by both sides.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'i don't read many US cases, but do USSC decisions not review the law before applying it to the facts in the case?  that's pretty standard procedure here.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'here == canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure they do, but they have to keep it within scope. The scope comes from the arguments presented.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'i guess i haven't really been paying attention to debate, since i'm really not sure what you guys are arguing about >.>'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hookers and blow.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that decision would not be considered in  a case, for instance, where a cop walks by and looks in a window and sees the mother sitting in the living room with a child present and something that looks like a joint lit on the ashtray.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'why are you talking about the 4th amendment then?  wouldn't that be in the bit about life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there. That's the holding'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to argue  case based on the preamble to the constitution?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'that was in response to ryke's hookers and blow.  it was a joke >.>'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hey, hookers and blow are serious business. :('
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so as I said, the part about drugs was just an example cited in support of their holding'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so given my example, what would you expect to happen, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, which one? Was it recent, got a bit of spam'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a cop walks by look in the window and sees a woman with a child in the room and what appears to be a joint lit on the ashtray.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh that one. Depends on the cop, really... but given the law, I suppose she could be arrested if the cop suspects an offence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe. But the only thing he can actually do, legally, is knock on the door. He has no evidence that anything illegal is happening. So, he knocks on the door and when the door is opened, if he smells what appears to be burining marijuana, he may decide he has probable cause.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if he busts the door down claiming that smoking marijuana is a felony, he's in deep shit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm, I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but he'd just need to think he's smelling it...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also, knocking on the door is clever, because if the woman doesn't open it, then he can act accordingly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I think there might be some complications as far as being in a house goes...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he must announce he is a police officer, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but when you combine "The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not." with the recent case's holding...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get the possibility of people being (legally) arrested and jailed for 48 hours on the suspicion of a non-jailable offence. And strip searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can be arrested for a seatbelt violation. Normally, you don't, you are instead cited and asked to appear in court. But that's not the only way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if the woman doesnt open it he cant just enter the house'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by the same token, you don't always have to be arrested for possession of marijuana, you can be, instead, cited and asked to appear in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you can act on something in plain view or if you are pursuing a fleeing felon'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Ucla, but in the case of the cop walking by the window, neither applies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you are not arrested for marijuana possession under an ounce that is a misdemeanor'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the point isn't that you will be arrested over every little thing. The point is that you can. And strip searched!'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what doesnt apply'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Was Druzil even here for this one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't differentiate a rolled cigarette from a joint, at a distance.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably asleep'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Stupid keyboards, always misspelling things!'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and because rolled cigarettes are not uncommon, you can't say "well, I thought it was a joint". '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you dont have to know its joint you need "reasonable suspicion"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, frankly I have no idea what the two look like...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure the court would rule against the police claiming that they had the right to detain anyone with a rolled cigarette. The lawyers from the tobacco companies would volunteer their services for that one :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. "In Texas, if a car is equipped with safety belts, a frontseat passenger must wear one, Tex. Transp. Code Ann. ' 545.413(a) (1999), and the driver must secure any small child riding in front, ' 545.413(b). Violation of either provision is "a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not less than $25 or more than $50." ' 545.413(d). Texas law expressly authorizes "[a]ny peace officer [to] arrest without warrant a person found committing a violation" of these seatbelt laws, ' 543.001, although it permits police to issue citations in lieu of arrest, '' 543.003-543.005."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'texas, eh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they would never argue that or legally do that ...they would argue that the person they detained they reasonably believed was committing a crime by smoking marijuana'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see, but that's part of the Texas Penal Code. A misdemeanor is a jailable offense.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Violation of either provision is "a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not less than $25 or more than $50."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, that supports everything we've said, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the law expressly gives authority to arrest...and she was brought before a magistrate and released on bond'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'arrest is not "jailable" arrest is only detainment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but Sonshi doesn't see the deference between arrest and jail time :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and she spent an hour sitting in a jail cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she was charged with a few other things at the time, which were dropped when she plead no contest to the seatbelt ones'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'huge difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is just detainment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she was not guilty of anything you are waiting to get out on bond if you are quick you are quick but your just in a holding cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the holding was - The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'way different than jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i don't see how it would'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are talking about illegal search and seizure not detainment...its for a judge to decide if the search was illegal or not'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, it may be merely detention in a jail cell, but "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among thedetainees processed at these facilities. This is, in part, a consequence of the exercise of state authority that was thesubject of Atwater v. Lago Vista, 532 U. S. 318 (2001)."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sonshi, she could have been arrested for x, y, or z. So the cops detain her, give her a break by not charging her with more serious offences and then she sues. I don't have any sympathy for her.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'neither do I'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she wasn't among the detainees processed at those facilities'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the holding was that they do have the right to custodial arrest over non-jailable offences.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i guess i dont know the whole story but i dont see how you cant be detained for committing a crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she wasn't strip searched, and wasn't taken to a general facility...she was taken to the police station for an hour'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'she wasn't, sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'even if she was strip searched if the police had reasonable suspicion of additional crimes then she could be'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the point here is not that people are being taken to such facilities and strip searched. It's that they can, legally.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which aren't the scope of the primary case quoted'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was taken to the police station once, when they thought that my name matched somone with outstanding warrants. When we got to the police station I sat on a bench for a half an hour while they did research. It turns out that they were wrong, so they gave me a ride back to my car. end of story.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'as long as there is reasonable suspicion of a crime that would need a strip search'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the opinion, "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among thedetainees processed at these facilities. This is, in part, a consequence of the exercise of state authority that was thesubject of Atwater v. Lago Vista, 532 U. S. 318 (2001)."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and she had drugs? strip search :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'until your charged how do you know if its a detainable offense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the particular strip searches involved in the judgement are the admission to big facilities SOP searches'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or jailable offense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, I'm not arguing that she was. I'm saying that people can be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure why they wouldnt be'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if i arrest you and I think you are selling drugs or holding weapons a strip search makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially drugs'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyway, well past my bedtime, have fun boyz 'n' girlz :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I don't know about you, but I don't like it being legal for people being strip searched and detained over suspicion of non-jailalbe offences, even if it isn't happening now...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see you'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'why not? thats part of the evidence gathering'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...like it doesn't happen now...your TSA can fuck you in the ass whenever they like'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc scuffs his shoe on the ground...they never grope me! :
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you detain me for smoking near a school and then check my butthole for drugs you will get sued'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err :('
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if it makes you feel any better, there will be more cases in front of the court. The ruling was so narrow that it is certain that the issue is not resolved.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'good night'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, once I forgot to take out my wallet at frankfurt'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they put me through extra screening...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my answer dont go to arizona or texas (and maybe even florida)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, that's how a lot of people feel :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am serious.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that's 3 of the 4 states I've ever flown to'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i am too'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err 3 of the 5, cali & washington being the other 2'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I can't see how to interpret the latest ruling other than that they can strip search anyone that goes into these facilities. They don't have to, but they can.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'when i had a transfer in texas and they had statue of george bush in the airport i knew i was in the wrong place'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'didn't look narrow to me...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what facilities?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'detention centres'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is narrow, Sonshi. It didn't say, it only dealt with a very narrow set of circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Maintaining safety and order at detention centers requires the expertise of correctional officials, who must have substantial discretion to devise reasonable solutions to problems." blah blah blah'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, that's the ruling...although it's not much of a ruling, as that's always been SOP at most genpop facilities for decades'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'you seriously think that it is reasonable to allow people into detention facilities as prisoners WITHOUT being properly searched?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would have to read it but i could see why they ruled that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so this isn't landmark or changing'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Getting turned over to a county jail entails very severe searches. But you only go there when you've been charged or convicted.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not true...you go to county jail if you dont get bailed out of the local jail in time too...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but it does mean that if you arrest someone for a minor non-jailable offence and put them in a detention centre, you can strip search that person.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not going to get stripped searched at a police station. They are not going to bother, they just charge you and transport you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you just dont get thrown into the population'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they charge you with something that lands you in county jail, you are going to get searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you go to county because you didnt get out in time you need a better attorney'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether you get thrown into the general population depends on the state, doesn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'depends on what you are charged with.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are charged with a crime which makes you look bad in the eyes of the population, chances are you will not be released to the general population.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless they want you to get hurt :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but then, they would get sued, so...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think anyone is thrown into general population that is not convicted'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are talking about arrest, when you are transported to the county jail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'arrested and charged, pending bail or preliminary hearing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i gotta walk the dogs but what i remember of criminal law you dont get dumped into the main pool of prisoners'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they did say that "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among the detainees tobe processed at jails."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, misdemeanors are usually segregated from felonies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah everyone regardless of crime goes on a bus to a big holding cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably depends on how screwed up the state is, I'm guessing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but then the process gets different for their'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, true, but you can't take that into consideration when looking at the law :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would rather be arrested in California than Mississippi, but I rather not be arrested at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have friends who do criminal law and it sucks but that was one of my highest grades in law school but i definitley did not want to be a criminal atty'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and of course, both cases we were arguing about were 5-4 decisions. Not surprising...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its a constant constitutional debate of safety vs freedom'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'alright im out to walk the pooches'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 4 keep trying to limit what they view as police excess, and the 5 keep trying to give them as much space as possible...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I guess I ought to go shower'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since everyone is running off anyway'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just... one... more... news... article... can't resist... NYT...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 3-headed dog that guarded the entrance to Hades.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'for lack of gossip channels ill use this :P I went shopping today in this cute little town close to me theres 4 stores groc, hardware , a general clothing and a designer clothing . '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i needed a hat I go into the designer store guy says oh i got some in the back follow me the back turned out to be his backyard into his house '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so im trying on hats and drinking his coffe in his kitchen lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'weird little town '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's kinda rude to be playing aard while someone's going to the effort to entertain you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o really :P I just thought ID share it was very strange'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks around and runs off cackling in the distance...
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what's the best way to translate ' soup nazi' into finnish language?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some way to virtualy pet someone ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pets Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just checking the brains trust here '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have modified a kids toy to stroke my back - just wondered since porn is such a big deal here'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a bit strange?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'asking is strange ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some would say mentioning it at all is strange'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're japanese'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats interesting - but Im not '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have a kids toy that was ment to fly around a crib? - I've modified it to stroke my back'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the bob market I thought someone would have done something with that ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol shut up n level :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow auto massagers are all chairs ! niche market alert ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shut up n level... '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tigernuts: 'some would say mentioning it at all is strange'unless you're japanese''
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know something we don't ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about what'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'either strange or the Japansses'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strangeness is just an unexpected quality, or quality that deviates significantly from the norm'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the japanese are, as a culture, sexual deviant and borderline paedophiliacs'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a judgment so much as a statement of fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'U are awesome ! why do you think such deviancy exists - Lolican for example'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really interested in why'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You have no reasoning for your - you ? Subjective bias has no place ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it's subjective?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is Your choice. You have empirical data to back it ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back what up?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no pissing contest here . just chatting '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok base , that the Japanese are strange '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manga'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hentai'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anime '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cheat rate ther eis over 20% and the cessorship is brutal - hence the animated porn imo .. a case of P adapting to environ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess you haven't seen the english language internet much...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't pass judgment on it'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes ! Nor did I !'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bar "strange"'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange isn't a judgment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"evil" would be a judgment "wrong" would be a judgment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets not get bogged in symantics - jap porn is different even if they are the same (homo sapien) <-- really not a good thing / as us?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'culture is a varient in what way ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All cultures are different, and that is a good thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn right  Ranrr! yet what makes jap porn different - for example ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All jap penises are pixelized. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho there is not enough variation in porn. The usasian stereotype where the girl is smaller, not really enjoying the sex and the guy comes in her face is getting old.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any players from Japan here ? I've seen Ninja Scroll and it was pretty brutal - online the cutsey cartoon porn is pretty prevalent and aimed at the Japan market? why ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they don't hold witch-hunts of deviants there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As yourself why US porn is aimed at the US.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I saw part of a porn film once when flipping through channels at a hotel past midnight. Couldn't feel anything but pity for the actors.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to see some porn where both of them seem to enjoy the act, thank you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know they're most likely faking their enjoyment...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, it's called acting.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But most porn films don't even have that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats a no brainer as far as western porn is concerned? Girls don't generally use porn- boys that have an active sex life don't use porn- threrefore only boys with no sexlife use porn- so they have no active sexlife because they ar inept/butt ugly or f-ed up/ in all cases would prefer a submissive girl?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK OK gross generalisation'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And very incorrect.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'school me ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the live action porn industry doesn't seem humane to me, generally speaking... seems pretty exploitative'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Girls don't admit to watching porn, but a lot of them do. Men like porn even in a relationship. Couples watch a lot of porn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Simplified.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only people that don't watch porn are parents :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get toey watching ppl gt it on but there are SO many niches - wtf ? - must be lacking something ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok is there nothing we can learn about a culture by monitoring the porn pitched to them ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to the manga hentia etc etc comment?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure we can. But to draw some conclusions you need to include more variables. It's probably a good topic for a PhD.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we could deb jap baseball/nuke just as easily except that porn lives n dies through popularity'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm pretty sure there has been a disertaion done on what ever we say (monkeys n keyboards etc) were that the case everytime a point was raised I'd ask you for a light by borrowing you flint n steel'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz grammar'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'headlines "Are Japs Pervs!!" Headline tabloid news.... and back to 0'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do we ahve Japanses players ? I am sorry if you feel (insert scuiteny(and spelling)here) I'm auatralian - we know no better ...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hiroki peers intently at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am young and constantly wrong Hiroki- educate me ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh and I'm insane too - noone takes me seriously here with good reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'yes i can see that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Mwah :) you can say anything to nothing '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so . why are you here?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb .... lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any further amusment ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shutup n level ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think about the red cross not having tested the blood with aids they gave to people in the 80's and 90's, but the rumours of evil scientists 60-70 yeras ago already placing human and animal diseass into woodticks, which are pretty much blood work?  how could that slip their mind?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just heard that somebody not too distant from my little world died of that 10 years ago or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada, i think it was red cross handling it back then, just seems odd that they're aware and probably from the same generation of those evil ones but they don't look through things precautiously before they become a past problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about sports careers, where a team is named after your school or neighbourhood or town or province or nation, and it's members are from anywhere but (usually with nation's they are though)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'had some aids infested NFL players jumping around canada and spreading the gospel a few times in the CFL'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in mississipi or somewhere 'the farm' prison, they have 2 prisoners in solitary confinement who just past 40 years in a 6x9 cell for 23 hours a day, originally tossed in slammer for robbery or something, joined some black panthers gang in prison and were blamed for the death of a prison guard, with the prison being known for sexual slavery, brutality and corruption in those days - that seems pretty harsh to me, especially since the prison guard -could- have been beating prisoners to death or half the way there on a regular basis before they killed him, and they say there wasn't no forensic evidence linking those ones directly to the crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine that, 40 years in a 6x9 cell, with at most 1 hour of being outside of the cell in a day'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'over 70,000 in solitary now in america, usually people with mental illness don't go to asylum's cause they put those out of business or at least psychiatric hospitals are seen as too costly, just get tossed into the hole until they kill themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they most likely won't ever release alot of them from there, never with the intention in some cases, like 40 years and no reassessment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was obama's resistance in moving the people allegedly behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks into civilian court, instead to be done by a military tribunal where they will 'possibly face the death penalty', is there the chance that they have a story to tell that wouldn't as easily be filtered by a civilian court as it would from a military court, where the judge is in service of the military commander?  more questions be asked, more information considered etc?  they can sentence people to death in civilian courts too if it's a fit punishment for a crime in america'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about obama's health care for all democratically accepted decision being overthrown by the supreme court too, which isn't elected'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're basically reporting that sentencing them to death is a foregone conclusion and obama attempted to give them a chance but was over-ruled by whoever his boss is'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which might not be the citizens of america if a civilian court isn't sufficient'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Whose boss is?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17617956'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obama, the proceedings here seem like he attempted to try to give them a fair trial in a civilian court but was met with resistance by somebody and instead they will possibly face the death penalty after a formal military court finds them guilty'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's strange how the supreme court can overthrow a democratic decision by a group of elected officials representing the democratic wishes of their citizens of america'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the supreme court isn't elected, they resist democracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'was there a national referendum?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they're talking about something like that, it was on the news a little while ago, his universal health care is under the gun of the supreme court'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do they know, they're probably all rich right and maybe have profits to gain by privatized monetarily inaccessible health care'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of things like that i read about or seen on documentaries, FDA members and supreme court judges who are stockholders in evil corporations that get away with murder'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mass-negligence etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'who appoints the judges out of curiousity?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's probably what skull and bones harvard illuminati conspiracy theories of masonic tacoma's come from, lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im pretty sure canada is done the same wat or supreme court can kybosh anything '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'way even'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be a better guage to take a public opinion poll of jury members and court-watchers and civilians in general on who they think's a fair judge for the job as he escalates from one level to another'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but better isn't always better for the 'controlling elite''
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'better to actually run a democracy when u say its a democracy :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no profit in that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree, thing is that these two things seem to indicate that obama himself isn't against fairness and democracy, but he has resistance from other than himself to upholding the wishes of what he considers honest'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye and for how much we bitch about it how many of us would start skimming and being downright sifty so we can sends our kids to great schools and whatnot '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if we were in the political game '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has limited powers you realise'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a matter of selecting politicians based on principles and testing their limits then'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with knowledge and wisdom (which comes with time)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'find a way to make society work without a currency is something iv pondered before .'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i don't think any single person could develop the entirety of a system like that, like they can around money - cause they invent money, it's within their system's heartbeat - '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but only by everybody contributing to the definition it could happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't think there IS a way to make a system work without money :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exactly, nearly nobody can even imagine a world without money that isn't extinct'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have butter. you want eggs. your neighbour has eggs. but he doesn't want butter! he wants beans. ...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a mystical place called shangrila , heaven, the land before the white man, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'not to mention ud have to enforce job placement and whatnot at least to a degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'currency in terms of debts owed and pride is still currency.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and as a community you want shoes etc, some people when they're kids work for fun, grow into what they wanna do, learn what's needed to continue their job to a higher degree, something needs to be done the group has members who will do it, as long as they're not being hand fed without allowing them to feed themselves or contribute as much as they're capable'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye motivation would be huge problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your 'people will do the jobs they love' sorta breaks down when it comes to cleaning out sewers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's something that needs to be done though'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course it needs to be done'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and everybody will think someone else should do it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people will do the dirty jobs, like maybe you like to eat a hamburger but don't like to kill a cow'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not if they don't get paid for thme.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's human nature to want to do the least amount of work possible to maintain oneself in an acceptable standard of living. even pre-currency societies maintain themselves through shame etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise the community you're in starts to stink, and then probably somebody else will do the job and who's not contributing will be assessed and that member of the community be scorned, which is sort of a arcaic motivator'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or you just learn to ignore the stink :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'walk along any road, it's piled with garbage that people throw out of their car windows because they're fucking slobs who are too lazy to keep a trash bag in their car.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's like a direct consequence of being hand-fed and not understanding that some things need to be done, and moving around nobody really feels a connection to the place in which they live'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's things of sports teams which has members usually from nowhere near your own community'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even in the primitive times that you're idealizing -- people tossed their garbage into a gigantic dump.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is fruitful for archaeologists but rather unsanitary.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate i just h8 that the standard of living can be so different for different positions take myself I do almost nothing now and am able to live comfortable did the 5 years I put into the company really jutify me sitting on my ass for the rest of my life '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, and different people desire different things for standard of living'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't do vacations/expensive toys/etc. so my required income is lower than many other peoples. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'il do expensive "fun" toys but Id never buy a mercedes just to have a better vehicle than my neibhor tho I would by a rediculous snowmobile '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I would like a better car than the one I have'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the one I have is a 1995 volvo with 230k miles on it that I paid $750 for. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my first car was a volvo I paid 250 $ got me 1 town away from where i needed to be : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so ideally I'd like one that's less than 10yo and a little less prone to ... issues'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that'll have to wait until i finih school'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what you going to be when u grow up :) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hopefully? math professor at a teaching university.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'doesn't pay THAT well, but my needs are also low-ish. and I enjoy the teaching I've been doing as part of grad schoo..'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'About to finish my PhD. If its what you want to do, the low pay is negligible. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Definitely NOT a career for everyone though!'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I really enjoy the work.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's the important thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if all I cared about was money I'd go for actuarial science'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I'd wake up every morning wishing that I'd get run over by a bus so I could call in sick.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'and so many people live like that its sad '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Met a guy who was prepping for the actuarial exams once... sounds draining'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, i'm off that. I want a community or small 4-year college in a rural area. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'actuarial exams aren't too bad.. took a few studying on my own'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Mye.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I could see myself going back for that kind of work if I, hypothetically, had a child/spouse/family member who needed a lot of care and I couldn't afford it otherwise. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but as of now ... nah.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17620421 this kind of stuff could turn bad, should be teaching people not to incite the masses by sacrificing their own lives, if that's what he maybe had in mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'originally they definitely had a point, but this one has less momentum than the original that might have 'summoned' it'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just making a point maybe, how he found his life un-liveable because of the government too, with the protests as a side affect, so maybe it's not as bad as it could be'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'wow wish I hadnt read that how sad is that heh but all i can say is wow '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I had a rm who paid into our gov't insurance for over 30 years when he needed it all they would give him was 3 months support the guy taught kids for 30 years!'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Depression and suicides are reported to have increased in Greece as the country introduces tough austerity measures to deal with huge debts. - but the government's more of a crook than anybody else there, imo (and whoever holds their debts owing)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the debt holders know that the average person wasn't to blame for the debt that's required of them by the government crook'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'thats whats so sad about it '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're both crooks (but not the people on the same level)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'that same year I took advantage of that system and got 6 months support what does that teach you lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'was actually 4 months but i was approved for 6 '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the first model T i think it was , had most of it's body and upholstery made out of hemp plastic and other hemp products'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dont get me started on miss mary i got some in my hands right now : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'tho I didnt know it was his first I assumed it was somin he did for a lark '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'do you know if he discontinued cuz of current or upcoming legislature ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i first started smokin weed growing up it didn't make me feel good at all, but my friends all did it and so did i, but decade+ later it doesn't affect me in the same way, it seems to sober me up to self destruction through cigarettes and other things like alcohol, raises my awareness a little, and i don't use it constantly when i have it, maybe a few drags then i'm done for the day, cause i remembered what it was to be under it's influence and straightening out i just feel less careless'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i tried all kinds of anti depressants and relaxants and therapy and all kinds of shit over the years trying to find out why i don't give much of a shit about living and how to tackle that problem, but none of them really worked as cannabis does'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's better than booze or some of these other things that are legal or were prescribed, i'm gonna try it out and see what happens, probably won't even need or use it for the rest of my life'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like a counter-addiction to me, just the level of awareness i reach is crazy, how i second thought the next cigarette based on the destruction i'm more keenly aware of, and resist the urge for more cannabis for desire of reaching a more ignorant state of being'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is sort of what bbc's reporting about the application of LSD to alcoholics and addicts was studied resulting in why they consider it today'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I jst enjoy and im probally one of the few it actually harms cuz i get anxiety attacks but there definately not strong and like you iv tried legal and booze but just to enjoy myself weed 99.5% of the time does that for me '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you all think of google?  a search engine cataloguing webpage information is one thing, with categorization of what's indexed, but a car that drives itself and personalization to the user of the engine and it's many other platforms (maybe sometime almost anybody with a webpage and a google search engine on it) - this could have been done with application software and a third party interface to that software (on the user's pc, optionally on) instead of just logging everybody and tailoring to mac/ip or other id's on their computer'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of out of context of how simple a search engine should be, hopefully somebody writes a new one that does just what it should'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google are evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'GT mMM'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Total, mischan, fail :('
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yahoo was taken over by a banker who probably doesn't know nothing about computers compared to who he replaced, and within the last week fired 20,000 people'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause he know's what's in the best economic interests of the company compared to the other guy'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Angel Azaezel: 'MMM discuss'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stuff like that's why i don't care too much about programming, since what i make is used by the people who invent unemployment and whatever i gained by it is eventually short lived and nullified'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when nonprogrammers talk of what programs are supposed to and are going to do -- idjits'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GentooX: 'it means a client'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people don't seem to understand the power giving somebody to write software to drive your cars gives to them, how much ultimate control is in their hands and how only their place becomes neccessary in the future, because it's driven by them underneath the current ideas of progress'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the yahoo website display menu interface were designed hy greedy idjits'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if ever there was to be cars that drive themselves it would be in their own best interest that that's managed by their government and their municipality'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accidents happen without computers, but 350,000 mistakes are made by honda because of a computer error'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humans won't commit 350,000 identical mistakes like computers will'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some idjits use too many superlatives their nonproofread noises'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of all the things they can spend money on, augmented reality glasses, it's not a hobby of theirs it's something that takes peoples minds off of reality, it doesn't add to reality anything neccessary, it doesn't make real life any better, but it's makers are some of the richest people on earth and they'll get richer by their negative creation that wasn't done as a hobby'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen something about contact lenses and how they can cover the real eyeballs on somebody's face so they can check their email through their contact lenses too, somehow darpa found it's wroth studying'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe for some 007 spy games, but to the public?  that's rediculous'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'optomestrists maybe can correct the vision with it, but they'd probably be marketing the things with that mentioned if that's what they wanted'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what they got is a generation of people raised on star trek and star wars and the matrix who think there's nothing strange, but cool instead about the stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what do you expect?  This is the same generation that finds it offensive not to share personal info with all the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facebook is evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'software patents are an abomination'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if computers would have stayed put as those floppy disk basic function apples in schools in the 80's, the internet as a educational and scientific tool, video games as console applications like a nintendo, multiplayer as sharing half a screen each maybe with an upgrade to another hardwired monitor, then several of today's probablems wouldn't have had any root to grow through'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade detects a selfish luddite
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't like technology, desist from using the internet'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is the Amish'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think the internet and world since 1990 or so received more negativity from these devices than positives?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of all the problems they introduced, new forms of psychological stimulation towards suicidal behaviour in some (lots of video game frustration suicides and shame campaigns around)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'filtering of all of your nation's vital data open to security flaws, people like this young google CEO who maybe didn't work a day in his life being the richest and most powerful people on earth, overseeing the lives of everybody else, ie new ways to make money that you didn't actually earn'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'puts the lotion in the basket'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the worlds heaven father , 'our father who art in heaven', doesn't seem to correct them or else he prefers their self-corruption destruction, 'he who spareth the rod hateth his son', it's the job of parents to provide for their children, i wonder how many new ones think of that first, and if you were to consider yourself independent, what you could produce without the use of money which would sufficiently survive your bunch, as jobs are erased, maybe the pornography industry gets an upgrade for the unemployed, as though that's some kind of thing that's worth reproducing into the slave of a future with a human pretending to be god for you as you worship your blind sky father, who if in accordance with the bible verses is your destroyer'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty well hidden in there but if you put two and two together and the old testament david or solomon wasn't worshipping satan, then when coupled they provide that question, well where's the rod of god at?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and using common sense you can pull some luddite prophetian magic and speculate that in the future probably most people won't have any place at all in the world, and if you're not king wannabe then you're possibly one of his childrens casualties'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why people go to work everyday i guess cause they don't think too much'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/20124417011120487.html for real?  of all the things they can fussle over they select adidas marathons, that's what i'm talking about the world being ruled by satanists who claim to be other than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he's the destroyer arrogance person'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that makes almost as much sense at first as how augmented reality glasses will make the world a better place'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'already problems everywhere that are built upon as the basis for employment opportunities and later developments which indirectly are some of those employment opportunities, with no diagram available for what will be the purpose of your life after these problems disappear'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they erase the past and make it only as far back as the problems that became employment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not natural at all, that's the main problem about the problems they focus on'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'colorado avalanche hockey team owner and wal mart daughter wife's cattle ranch claiming canadian roads and lakes and rivers, and also the eyes of the cops and politicians http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/04/04/bc-fishing-ranch-dispute.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was 100 smaller cattle ranchers who aren't rich, you think they'd be gettin away with that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the idea that pisses me off, somebody thinks they're god again'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"Things we've heard of the promoters is this is primarily a demonstration of sport, of athleticism, from the athletes," Engel said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/04/05/sk-liquor-board-mulls-lingerie-football-1204.html saskatchewan whore football exported from america breaking all the rules with the walmart monkey fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did that heimlich maneuver guy really fake his medical degree?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'moving here. q: is it ok to make jokes about repressive regimes and practices if your ancestors were subjected to them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think so, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir, its okay to make jokes about opressive regimes, unless you are within range of their reach'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my grandfather died in a nazi concentration camp'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that pretty much enables me to make fun of everything from nazis to slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he fell out of a guard tower and broke his neck'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts are you sure he didnt die outside? a lot of the mass graves were near the train depots not the camps'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hey, that's /my/ line'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'oh lord the debate chan is firing up!!'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'this is where i object with a few farts from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/opinion/kristof-arsenic-in-our-chicken.html?src=me&ref=general'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"These findings will surprise some poultry farmers because even they often dont know what chemicals they feed their birds. Huge food companies require farmers to use a proprietary food mix, and the farmer typically doesnt know exactly what is in it."'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eggs are bad for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'eggs are good for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eggs are bad for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be high in protein, also extremely bad for cholesteral and visceral fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the generation that grew up during the war eating lots of eggs had terrible problems with cholesterol and heart problems caused by fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so now we have much less heart problems? '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I take that as a no.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guess that was the end of the discussion. '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'next time, check the current research before making claims'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we do have less heart problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diabetes is epidemic because of weight'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'no we don't. In fact, we have more heart problems now than ever in history.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people are fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the 'eggs is bad for you' myth has been debunked'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, it hasn't :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed, that is the reason. Has nothing to do with eggs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are still on the list of no-go's for people with high cholestorol'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for everyone else as part of a balanced diet, fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe in some placed that are behind.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not in Sweden, at least, anymore.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'See, there's a difference between "People with high cholesterol shouldn't eat eggs." and "Eggs are bad."'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden, it's not eggs are bad, it's trans fat acids are bad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden lost the plot when i came to freedom, unfortunately UK is trying to go the same way'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that sentence makes no sense what so ever'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can anyone tell me about Alex Jones?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, interesting'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly hysterical, but has some good points to make'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'all the hoopla about this marine stein is hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'kick him out and be done with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is marine stein?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'look it up on googlez'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that like looking up Santorum on google'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well didn't you know that questioning the government's stance on anything is punishable by prison?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you watched or listened to anything by Alex Jones?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sexperverts on the supreme court of the USA are aiding and abetting racists and sexperverts in jurisprudence and the police services'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican sexperverts are worse than the democrats'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a sexpervert?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that aid abet and or do strip searches with anal probing are sex-perverts (or racist sexperverts)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well both the parties are bought and paid for by wall street :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are five buggers on the Supreme Court of the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of those buggers are conservative or republican -- treasonous traiters that are not upholding the constitution of the USA in regard to "unreasonable search and seizure"'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparenly sexperverts on the Supreme court of the USA believe that buggery is not "unreasonable" when done by authority -- very "aristocratic" of them'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zade, you lose a lot of credibility if you think because the Court hands down a ruling you disapprove of, that they're perverts. Resist hyperbole.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the judgements of the supreme court seems to be slanted to protecting the very rich (the aritocracy) and screwing the poor (as the aristocracy screwed the non-aristocacy in pre-constitition America)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government exists solely to enrich themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Doesn't make them perverts. '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's not so, Tiger. Not to say that there aren't corrupt politicians, but there are many honest ones, too. That majority, even. It's a difficult job. I lived and worked in DC for years, knew a lot of people in politics and a lot of 'em worked their tails off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich get the benefit of the doubt and are treated with respect, those that are poor are or black are buggered by the police'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all controlled from behind the scenes, those working in politics who aren't corrupt don't realise it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich get the benefit of the doubt and are treated with respect, those that are poor or black are buggered by the police'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Great. Nice use of a sweeping generalization. All poor people are treated badly, all black people are treated badly. Do you really believe that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what proportion of the american prison population are black?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And how is it that you, Mr Aard player Tigernuts, know that but the people who toil in politics can't see what you can?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't toil in politics, they ingratiate themselves or otherwise are entirely ineffective'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, enjoy your cynicism. And be sure not to vote.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you honestly think it makes any difference how you vote?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might make me cynical, it makes you delusional'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Of course it makes a difference. What if 20 million people decide to agree with you right on election day?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand that corprorations own governments, it matters not who's in charge'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Every single vote counts. Those politicians aren't out stumping votes because they enjoy it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take obama, how many of his promises got ditched within the first year?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the supreme court rulings are turning the USA into an aristocracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Try to imagine making 300 million people happy. It cannot be done.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think the brand of encumbant governemt made any different to the countries of the world that suffered as a result of the bank-induced collapse of 2008?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, what's your solution then? Do you have one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to which problem?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The corrupt government that is evidently ruining the world, that problem.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truthfully? nuke it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. And replace it with... ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'failing that, find a quiet corner of countryside and barricade up'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't, literally nuke it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the cockroaches inherit the earth'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, luckily for me, I've got that quiet corner. 38 acres in the Finger Lakes of NY. But that wasn't why I bought the place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just pray they don't dispossess you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure how they'll do that. My mortgage is up to date and my taxes are paid.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think that's even vaguely relevent?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yes, I do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gated communities for the rich (where jewish-looking ?hispanics? with jewish names may stalk and kill unarmed blacks)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask the land owners of the UK after the Norman conquest, ask the gentry of the UK in the early/mid 1940s'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, barring a foreign invasion I'm feeling relatively secure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if they just impose taxation on your land at an unaffordable rate instead, what'll you do then?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'll be in trouble, that's what. Just as anybody would.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"imminent domain" laws may be used by the rich to dispossess the poor '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the last 80 years, your government has not been there for your wellbeing'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But eminent domain is rarely used. I suppose if there is suddenly an overarching need for a subway out here, I could have a problem. Or if my land is ideal for the new airport that this area is unlikely to ever need. Mainly, the vast majority of land owners don't get dispossessed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those dispossession laws are reminiscent of the laws of communism, where the rich commiczars "in the name of the people" grabbed what they wanted from the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich "aristocarcacy" of the USA and their supporters are acting like the Commiczars of USSR communism'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not arguing that injustices never happen. I'm arguing that the comparatively rare occurrence of them shouldn't be considered the norm, wrong as they may be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did 2008 not happen in your reality, rhavage?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It happened in everybody's reality and I was not unaffected by it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how on earth does that equate to "comparatively rare"?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Is it still 2008? Does it happen every year? If so, it wouldn't have been news.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creating a banking crisis is only part of the process'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the estimate is that financial meltdowns happen in cycles deliberately caused by the financial sectors that lobby and resist regulations to curtail their reckless dishonesties'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask yourself why practically all of the countries of the world are cripplingly in debt to a tiny number of banking institutions?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many republican supporters became rich from the financial collapses, and they want more financial collapses'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet rhavage still seems to believe that who you vote for makes a difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesnt, because government doesn't matter'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're set for an authoritarian state run for the benefit of the rich minority'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may not be a single world order, but it'll happen in enough of the world that it'll make no difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernut, sticking your head up your where-the-sun-don't-shine is not a solution, but a vote of support for the corruptions'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'complacency to corruption is a vote for corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing i can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except find my own piece of quiet and live out what life is left to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you all do the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, there is reincarnation for some'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and reincarnation is able to be "Hell on Earth!!!" when karma gets hold of you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure what I can tell you guys. I do what I can. I'm older than most here. I've retired from professional firefighting, been a school board member, a Girl Scout dad, a volunteer for any number of different causes. So we just do what we can do to keep our little place in the world in order.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilence"'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you try and stand up to them, you'll end up in jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a majority of the people unified may affect change to improve matters'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't that many'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the internets is here'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think they are imposing laws that will allow them to monitor the internet, and control freedom of speech on it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Aardwolf requires to add encryption of upstream mccp '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'downstream mccp is likely condensed and garbled from snooping, though the Abelinc channel database is a weaklink to privacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'His earlier robbery of the car stereo made him liable for deportation at any time. After several months in detention, he was forced on a plane to Cambodia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17527030 that doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd deport people on terrorist suspect charges over, or inform the children of that they should apply for citizen status since they don't remember all that stuff by default'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Officials in Tunisia say two bloggers have been jailed for seven years after posting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad on the internet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17640207 at least they were merciful and didn't death penalty them, which might be written in the quran and the satanic verses..'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social media's sure getting the better of people, one guy got his murder charge dropped cause a juror tweeted a relationship to the trial on his twitter page, (rockin robin - jackson 5), and a us marine might get a dishonorable discharge with 4 months of service left for placing a picture of obama onto a advertisement from the movie jackass on his facebook page..'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there was a syrian teenager who went missing, later reported dead on israeli local media, for writing down a poem on her blog which could be seen to criticize israels relationship with syria'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that last one's the most interesting, cause there was a report about her going missing, a report about 9 months later no sign, and that's it on major news networks like bbc and ctv and stuff, but finding out she's dead in a prison only was reported on israel's local newspaper or something else there'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't get much more demoralizing than a nation of people who sell their vagina's for money as portrayed by the media about thailand, but instead they focus on banning macbeth plays and locking up people who make slanderous comments about the royalty'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'refucking-dickulass'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I love thailand : ) might be like that in the cities but go hang out in a village there a beautiful people and the do more than sell there vaginas you go there and if they aint trying to nik somin from your pockets they do try to make your as enjoyable as possible its my fav place to vaction phillipines is next door there pretty cool too '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Isn't there a military coup going on there?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i have no idea i dont follow the news'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sure there is good and bad there, i was only thinking of what the media makes it look like the priorities of the government are'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o I agree with you i just wanted to say somin good about the place : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Almost every part of the world is wonderful and interesting in one way or another.  Its the various governments that mess everything up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The above comment would apply to Thailand as well as any place else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'humanity messes it up imo if ou took everyone currently in power out and replaced i bet we be in same boat 5 or 10 yrs later '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And therein lies the problem.  Governments are both universal and inevitible.  They are, you might say, on of many aspects of humanity.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hell i bet if you put all the people that discuss this stuff and are anti govt in power instead itd still be the same thing 5 or 10 yrs later'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that would be because the people doing the replacing would want to centralize it around themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol I didnt even think of that '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'For example:  There are more than a few Iranians right now who were shouting "down with the Shah" 40 years ago, and are now kind of regretting that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think about the world having a fund/piggy bank which can pay for cleanup of things like the japanese ship that crossed international waters to arrive off the coasts of b.c and alaska?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the steel and stuff on the vessal is still useful, and it would prevent x thousand gallons of fuel from being added to the oil company's cache'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard america does use the pacific ocean as a garbage dump though, having an island twice the size of texas made of trash out there in between the currents'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not enough's done in waste management and disaster prevention'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '10's of thousands of sunken ship's already's their main do nothing reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you have a large city and invest in a incinerator, you got nothing that pays for itself except for ashes, but if you use something like edmonton has which turns most of the trash into fuel, you can feed it back into the energy sector which reduces the cost of operating it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and might even add towards the debt of installing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also less pollution'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Conservative MP Chris Alexander says Canadians were not misled on the costs of F-35s, despite the auditor general saying this week that the Conservative cabinet would have known the pricetag for the military aircraft was higher than what the public was told. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/07/pol-the-house-f35s.html almost 0 accountability, and he laughs 9 billion dollars off like it's a monkey'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if this is more or less crooked than the double somalia donations the other year'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'they're worth the money though, 2 f 35s could take out ten f18s, if not more'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'is this the joint strike fighter?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'that the 22 I think, which is a stipped down, smaller, 1 pilot 35'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what if they are, he campaigned for prime minister on 16 billion dollar pricetags and stuck with that all the way, with the finance minister confirming he knew better'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because the JSF has had som AWFUL field tests'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'some*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the 35 makes it look like a kids tow'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'toy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drones are the future of air combat'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: '35 is a piloted drone'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah drone it all, and the people who make them will live in a land immune to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cockpit in a manned fighter is the highest profile for detection via radar and Mk I Eyeball'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably be the most rotten people on earth too, able to kill their engines or make misfires at will'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: '35 has the ability to simultaneously (sp?) lock on to like 8-12 targets and engage from a distance of something like 200-300 miles'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Compare the costs of ejection seats, life support, human readable readouts and inputs'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blind targeting, eh '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: '200-300 miles?? that's a really long way'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Try a swarm of cheaper drones, which can act as chaff on their own, and can pull 30g without killing anyone inside'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if a civilian craft is shot down at 200-300 miles, that is the price of arrogance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'you can tell what you're locked on'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'civilian craft isn't going to cruise 500 mph and have a lock profile'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'low*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '500mph is slow'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'cruise....'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Make one of those with no cockpit, an onboard AI and a pilot in a simulator at the forward base'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'you don't cruise at 1000 mph plus, run out of fuel wayyyyy too fast'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the computers in the planes are all security vulnerabilities'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'how?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably most of them aren't even made by the government's military which uses the planes'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You think a hacker can't gain complete control of a plane right now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the microchips and computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their IFF is off-site already'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the avionics is top secret, need top secret clearance to even work on them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'and thats just for the f 18 growlers'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposedly canada invented the avril arrow plane, which was used in desining lots of these others'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, armchair couch potato generals doing cameo presentations here'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was top secret back then it was at least a homegrown company making them, they were more soviet spy minded back then according to newspapers'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'I'm an aviation electronics technician in the US Navy, I think I might know a bit...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've worked on F/A-18s...nothing more than a show and tell of the IT systems for uni, but still'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'f18s are top secret'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the growlers are though'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They are sold internationally :-) Easy way around US secret classifications'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'growler is f18 outfitted with electronic warfare instruments'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it's also me early in the morning.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'very much top secret, had a few buddies get sent off to work on those'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'know more about 18s than 35s or 22s, those are USAF's babies'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My favourite were the 117s...all gon now :-('
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'gone*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the level of secrecy is probably most of the cost'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder why they need such high pricetags on silence in a nation of patriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'pure speculation'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Chemosh, are you a Druzil alt? You need some more random ap'os'trophe's, but you're nearly there'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'chemosh is druzil, rename'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know what you know, why do you ask questions you know answers to, are you teaching me what i don't think but do that you think i do to think what you do?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, thought games 101, this is science'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh wow, so they are'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wasn't Druzil clanned?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Jek a Howard, Leonard, Raj, (or Sheldon) when trying to impress the "girls"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'impress girls, what makes you say that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't belong in clans of people i hate, group membership doesn't apply to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You hate your old clan? That souns sad :-('
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And wow I need to bash this laptop keyboard harder to avoid missed letter o.0'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Always fun when your keys are going bad :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'it's a new laptop, but the keys are lower profile to what I'm used to...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposedly world war 1 wasn't immortalized in american history, who sent 5 million people through it, because at the time people weren't sure why they were going to die, no clear objective in mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, it's because the US was so late to WWI they may as well not have bothered.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but these other wars were all very clear somehow, maybe it's a symbol of awareness that america will go to war for nothing instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's that too i guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1917 just about ove'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '5 million USamericans participated in WWI - unbelievable'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'WWI was about how British deliberate bungling was killing off australians and canadians'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Brit's still had a colonial mind about things'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many USAmericans did the British kill in WWI '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But yeah, fuck Gallipoli and dumbass old-school military minds...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Heh. "The woes of Spain and Ireland demonstrate that balanced budgets and low debt in good times offer no protection against crisis, so European leaders make tougher fiscal rules the core of their agenda. The broader euro crisis demonstrates the downside of fixed exchange rates and inflexible monetary policy, so the right doubles down on the gold standard." - Krugman'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They should all just go the way of Iceland'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Say "fuck you" to the banks, and take back their money and their country'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that what iceland did'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Say "fuck you" to your mom, because look what she did!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling points excitedly at Vakieh!
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She oughtta be ashamed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in some sense that's what iceland did, yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they defaulted, shifted the tax burden to the rich, and set the country back on a path to recovery'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the bankers will benefit too, in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And said to all the people their banks owned to take it up with the (now insolvent) banks'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Unlike the US, who said "nah bro, taxes can pay this"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whatever anyone says, there's no moral obligation to pay someone else's debts without any formal guarantee...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whining the other Euro countries are doing suggests they think differently :-P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, since they're on the losing end!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US case is different though, the scale of the failure was large enough that it would've hurt their own economy directly'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The failure in Iceland was far greater and more pervasive than the US failure'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it's pretty odd from an economic standpoint why they didn't just nationalise.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in global terms, it was a blip'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'because COMMUNISM, RAAAARRRRR!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iceland defaulting hardly affects the global economy... the US failure would have been devastating if not fixed'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Like the US government gives 2 shits about the greater international community'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but there's no good reason why the shareholders weren't wiped out.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If they could have saved themselves at the expense of others, they would have'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do... insofar as it affects them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, but they couldn't...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i dunno i dont follow the news much but even the little i get i thought the chinese economy was very strong americas not concerned about that ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the chinese economy is certainly troubling to some...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some are concerned it will overtake the US soon, others are concerned that it's too shaky'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'good for canada they need alot of stuff :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am no concerned so much with the strength in the Chinese economy, but I am concerned with the lack of Chinese morality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from current trends, china's real gdp could match the us in maybe 5 years or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but will trends hold?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their blase attitude towards simple human rights is disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, countries at that stage of development don't tend to care much about rights'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries that make it past that stage tend to evolve'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether peacefully, or...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Western countries, sure - haven't seen it in any other theatre'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'pretty sure you could've called the US pretty "blase" about human rights 150 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'i can call them blase about it now - they have slipped a LONG way'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it happened in the western developed countries, and it happened in the eastern developed countries...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think it's inevitable that increasing wealth would lead to political change'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't become an advanced nation without strong education... and when you have an educated populace...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Santorum is a religious moron, going on about American History'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US pre-university education seems to be slipping in tandem with their regard for human rights. Quite unfortunate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disregard != regard'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quality of the diplomas/degrees aside, the proportion of younger people holding degrees/HSdiplomas has been at a standstill or even falling as other countries overtake them...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is turning into an aristocracy for the rich -- the legal system assumes the lowerclass USpeasants are criminals even when there is no evidence thereof'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate well hopefull when the lowerclass finally snap the aristoes dont have a stranglehold'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'usa citizens got gun ownership workin for them : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Question is: how much longer will it take for that to happen? Seems to me the poor the middle-class are still biding their time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well if they were going to do it sooner is better than later as technoligy increases'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but which side are the gun owners mainly on...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'skynet-type death-squad robots that seek out a kill UScitizens may change that balance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the avid ones sonshi I would bet anti gov't '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they need good govt, not no govt'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Even so if those avid gun owners who say they protect the consitution ever had the chance, mmany of them wouldn't help citizzens who do not own firearms when they need help.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if you knocked off 3/4 of the planets human pop would the planet be better for it ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I suppose it depends which 3/4 you knock off'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'roll of the dice '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '1d4 u roll a 4 u live'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '3/4th of the planet would be worse off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I sometimes wonder...if all of the people Christians seem to hate died, who woul they choose to pick on next?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eliminate the mentally retarded and the overly-religious'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the schismatics, of course!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'burn the catholics/protestants at the stake for heresy!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'is that skitzoes sonshi cuz i err got a littl scitz'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then when they're done with those, they can focus on the sub-schisms. Then the suc-sub-schisms, and then...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'telemarketers should be the firt to go '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Telemarketers are hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe leave one so i can still fuck with him '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My quote - "I will buy whatever you're selling if you talk dirty to me"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you spelt luther with two 'r's! Burn him at the stake!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i like to pertend im a horrible husband yelling at my wife to hurry dinner up or sum such'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Isn't it strange how Luther and Lucifer soun so similar...NEW HOLY WAR INCOMING'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'lmao Tolakomos.. next telemarket call I get I really have to do that one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'its entertaining :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I'd yell something like "You idotic broad!! I said well-done! It's RARE!! Make it again!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'you can yell at her hav her yell somin bak then say just a sec and go smack the couch with a cushion yell again , continue conversation :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'iv never been brave enough to try that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '"I'M TALKING TO THE SHOPPING MAN, STFU BITCH!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what if they call the police  o'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What are they gonna do, call the Mumbai police on you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'LOL.. well that one's better even. Smack the couch twice and make a stomping sound.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friends gf got a nose job they were driving around public places making up abuse skits lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Hmm, you guys must really love making people uncomfortable, sympathetic & horrified :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im all about entertainment value '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Of course the satisfaction plays a major role too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate pull off skit ... hell ye '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'me an a bud used to do a skit wherweed nip one or the others wallet just as it gets to our stop then proceeed to chase was fun till we got fined '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'on  train even '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'anyway not really debateable :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Haha. Fined is better than having another man chase you with intent on severely harming the supposed 'thief', lol.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'True :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye thatd be ba but we were fast kids only reason we stopped for him is he had a gun ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere -P
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my doctor's from syria and i talked a little bit about what he thought of the war in the mid-east and stuff there, he doesn't seem to disagree that it's leadership is pretty ugly and it's a brutal place to live, tough to tell watching the news what's going on with what sometimes, you think the rebel's there are legit and stuff?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'killer's everywhere can't even explain what their purposes is for people to understand without lying, big complex issues like what'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're gonna mention stuff on the news they shouldn't keep all the simple basics hidden from the reader'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'freedom of the kind of replacing the person that doesn't represent freedom with on that does until that backfires'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'headline:  human cattle ranchers have decided to domesticate the rebel herd'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, at least i know what's goin on now'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's that gaza strip agreement to topple and settle in exchange for the services of the un'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In an affront to free speech, Canadian committee declares that criticism of Israel should be considered anti-Semitic. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117206368409551.html  -- israel's a nation, in the old testament anybody from another nation could come into an israeli settlement and live among them as long as they get circumcised, so they are a multi-cultural nation biblically - there is no white nation on earth that i'm aware of, where is a white nation that can't be criticised or my race is under attack, etc?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody?  some have majority's but not many are pure-breeds, sounds almost like nazi-germany's white race propaganda on history television, except it's jewish race here, and haiti too.. pappa doc wouldn't have none of that non-purebreed stuff practiced there, the ethiopean's might be like him'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, maybe evacuate one country on earth for each race'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any criticism of any of them nations can be considered a racist hate crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't criticise me, i'm part-russian and that would be a enemy of putin statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'wait, what?  you're beyond criticism due to a partial nationality?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't critisize me, either, I live in Arizona.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, being a half-breed i am a subspecies'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'wait, what?  you're beyond criticism due to a partial nationality?bs liz'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'hmm, oops.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, really, Arizona's got this bill in their state legislature that makes any sort of criticism or hateful speech on the internet a crime that comes with up to a 6-month jail term.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ask for extradition, canada would happily ship me south without due process'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(agreement signed between harper and bush or something, 2005)'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered what it's like to be waterboarded to death'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, that's our immigration policy.  It works really well for the rest of North America.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know no fuckin terrorist, jesus fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's that?  jesus fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you wanna know, just take a deep breath while standing under the shower with your face upturned.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, that what israel does though, they even say jews criticizing israel are self-hating'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the committe comprised of jews and suckups'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand where they're situated there is surrounded by a bunch of crazy arabic people to more less degrees, but they could include that in their explainations and address of criticism, they're crazy here, it's hard to tell who's not crazy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care if anybody locks me up or shoots me or tortures me to death or tries any of them or doesn't even do nothing, that's what they'd do anyways, if they like i can provide about 80 trillobytes of information that is extremely offensive and that i watched in my time on earth, often released from rich media companies and whatever else trusted sources'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then we can all go on trial together, after seeing this i seen no quarrel in saying this, i'm just saying something aren't i?  they're doing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seem to have drawn donald trump out of the woodwork to confirm some wealthy participants in media devices that i frequent from time to time, no other person that i could really pinpoint would have chosen those sequences at those times'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty good isn't it?  learning my enemies from the bottom up'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say in chile now there's a ex-Stasi mind-control administrator living, who selected which children of dissidents would be put up to adoption (auction?  maybe some toys for human slavery) to it's members and their loyalists, various death sentences shot in back of head, chinese water torture, various death rituals, she says it's the east german's own fault of trying to flee to the west and getting shot and agrees with the killers that they're righteous, who's collecting german pension at 'only' 2000 dollars per month'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing that a person loses alot of the reserves they might have had, considering it conceptually'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dokkar, which ethnic groups in Arizona intend to legislate to violate the freedom of speech ammendment of the constitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the political ones'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a murderer child destroyer brainwash person living freely on government pension, who's government she was within the right of way of in doing what she did at that time, however many homicides and crimes against life she's responsible for, and a 84-87 year old person called a nazi-war criminal getting locked up for the rest of his life in germany after years of ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the nazi who was under the same government-right of ways as the stasi were under gets punished, but she doesn't?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which: the jews, christians, republicans, the corrupt, the intolerant'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that just cause the stasi criminals went on to rule germany?  they're a interesting contraption'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if what i read's real'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the law is intended to be an anti-cyberbullying measure'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the political climate in the state of Arizona seems extremely racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have my doubts about when somebody calls somebody a nazi and things like that, see how easily they throw anti-semitism charges at people'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was once under the thumb of the nazi german government as a citizen, possibly a nazi what can we get on this guy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like freedom of speech removal to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'calling someone a slut, or even just criticizing a botched Phoenix dunk that cost the championship could get you into trouble'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'laws against cyber-bullying may be unconstitutional'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just about everyone but the legislators are decrying the bill as being far too vaguely-worded, and the governor is promising to veto it if it's not narrowed up by the time it reaches his desk.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if the government tells you you can't say something or they'll send their hitman (sheriff) to lock you up, you think that's not cyberbullying?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'turn on south park and count how many offensive quips you hear'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I refuse to watch anything that has more bleeps than distinguishable words.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and, yes, such a show would become illegal to air in the state of Airzona under this bill.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though the extremely racist politicians in Arizona want to stop criticism of their racist platforms by passing laws against criticism under the guise of anti-cyberbullying'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'justice is a farce as exemplified there, only real justice is without a court of law'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'duh, did you forget/ignore/somehow not hear the foaming-mouth gnashing of the teeth over the Limbaugh comments and Martin incidents?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh shakes his head.
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only monitor the news periodically'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the only weird thing about this is that the legislature wants to pass THIS bill and not a more sensible one, knowing it's going to cut off their allies' ability to ad-blitz the public.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah well, politicians and lawmakers are rich people who never have or never had to deal with the quarrels of everyday life that affect 98% of people on earth'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's like having hardcore democrat liberals engaging in an intense smear campaign of their champion incumbant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their bosses definitely never had to do nothing, they're just gamers playing with human deaths'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you would think they'd listen to the higher-ups, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so whatever vanity they enforce on you to limit your ability to be yourself is just funny to them, another reason to lock you up, and a future playing card in human extermination possibly, since these prisoners are consuming so much in government resources etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's been done before, and i read some pretty astonishing articles on the penal system and who commonly gets placed in it for what reasons etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even the Obama nation is all "WTF?! No, dude, just NO!" about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm offended that they talk about being offended by speech in a world they rule where it's common for sex-slavery and defamation of people's lives at their shit jobs everyday'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned anything that leaves a politicians mouth is void until they explain the difference between prostitution and pornography'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how long has one been illegal but not the other during their reigns of light?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they legalize one and forget that they aided and abetted criminals for 3 decades'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'porn is not illegal, for the most part'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and at one point, prostitution was a calling as divine as the priesthood.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Republicans have hinted at banning porn. Funny thing, rednecks love porn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, only one has and nobody really likes him'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'if no-one really likd him, he wouldn't be in he position he is in'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's about a modern-day Ralph Nader'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'masters degree in political science question:  explain the difference between prostitution and pornography without the use of external reference material, using your own thoughts - explain how it is that one may exist where the other cannot under the reigns of several us presidents and what was the reason, then conclude the economics of what causes people to choose pornography or prostitution as a way of life and where all the soldiers come from'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know of one university professor who was a whore in the 70's so she could buy her phd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'porn is where you pay for sex on tv, prostitution is where you pay for it in person'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'another way to look at it is by following the money.  Is it prostitution if the actors cannot say no?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's about slavery, call it contracts if you want, video evidence in a real society'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not really consensual'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'semantics the sex on tv is prostitution '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah so it's sexual slavery, or they were just girls being girls having some good times'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if not then that looks like sexual exploitation and slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im leaning twards exploitation'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'for the bulk of em '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no children were conceived during the filming of this program, so it must be ok then'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teaching adults about what sex is for'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or were they aiming at a younger crowd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'theyd just callit art anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'watching violence on tv is vastly different to doing violence --  looking at porn is vastly different to partaking of prostitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'call it art all they want, maybe they'll kill themselves on camera and see if people scream or not, with artful eyes'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'heh i agree im just saying how the wheel would turn '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the difference in arts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know how this wheel's tendencies are pretty good, i just don't agree with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the difference is how the individual percieves that art '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'percieves tht picture/sculpture wtv'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but then that doesnt quite work'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hrrmmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade perceives that an "esl" misspelt "perceives" (twice, so not a typo)
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if i follow your question right : what maes a thing art and not porno=agaphy  ? I dunno im stumped'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'eh i dont much care for spelling'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you own a pornography industry that exploits other people's daughters under contract and their side-constitutional rights, should you have in the constitution a contract for your children to serve in similar demeaning occupations once they become of age of your lowest slave?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'porno-graphy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money talks and most people don't have much of it, democratic reforms'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'porno-agape'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i'm to stoned to even follow that chem ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i guess you gotta be married with children of your own to take part in the show'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'little boxes !!!'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, that was intolerant and rash to infer that pornography is exploitive'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, art and pornography and more importantly slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'live in a slave economic unemployed system why not have a democratic swapping of services if you profit from the belittlement of peasants'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'alot of real art was at the time of painting basically slavery for the painter i believe'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your princess should maybe take part in some gaping hole movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back when michaelangelo and them were painting up those roman murale's i think alot of the naked people in them were slaves'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're considered great works of art today like pornography'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe they just tossed off in public back then the statues were like todays modern peepshow'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pornography is voluntary, slavery is not -- but a drug-addled intolerant mental-retard may unfortunately and wrongly equate ponography to slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kiddie porn is not porn by that definition.  Misnomer, or faulty definition?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the saints have defined that art is only art when not under the age of 16'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 18'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like that, in some places you can be a work of art and still not legally purchase alcohol'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you'll know porn when you see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teh female brain isn't done growing until 23 years of age'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what saints are these catholic saints ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media alludes to catholic funding of the adult film industry in germany since world war 2 ended'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not saying that Rick Santorum is drug-addled'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'seems farfetched'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'Sure relative but i dont see it '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most women have hairy genitalia by default too, maybe by 18 years old'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think he got addled by worse than drugs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but bald vagina's are seen as the most artistic of the three'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in most porno movies, maybe just bikini lines in some'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media said something he considers, he must be on lsd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not THAT farfetched for two reasons.  "Enemies" of the church have confirmed that stuff like porn helps maintain a healthy sex life, and the Church was always well-aware that there were certain stresses that had to be released within its ranks lest they start causing problems (the recent scandals are proof of this).'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hugh Hefner looks senile these days'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one of the things I really hate about some groups of people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're going to hell if you have sex before marriage. you're going to hell if you masturbate. but you can't get married until you can support a wife. '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so in essence, you're going to hell. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they are financing porn or just lookin at it i ment financing i certainly believe they look at it '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those Hugh Hefner playboy models look like airbrushed transvestites'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who said those things probably come from people like herded up the germans since the end of world war 2 into cages and raped their women for a morsel of bread or just with force teaching the new generation about all of the hells and what to aspire to become and things like that, they're already there though'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of intergenerational hatred'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by financing it, they can put some level of control on its consumption'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hrrmm i just figured there bloody rich already and I think smart enought to know theres no way they can control it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi probably used just what i said'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're big on mind-control and social engineering, so was the presidents of the USA which was why i said political science '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they aren't trying to make christian porn, they're sort of trying to make porn christian.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'b nice if someone actually checked this out if i had fast internez i would : apperantly if u took the silhouette of te marquee de sades famous castle and put it over top the disney castle logo its a match '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's why god is supporting allah and damning christ and jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of the way maybe, he did that in the bible a few times'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate ooo that akes sence now make sinners of them so they come for redemption ok i can buy that '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent moderate christianity is preferable to judaism is preferable to islam'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by channelling where it goes and how it's done, it can be sold as palatable to the average christian exposed to warring concepts and mature enough to incorporate ideas from both sides.  Those who are too religious will end up with unhealthy urges they aren't acting on (eventually leading to something even worse happening) and those too secular won't be bound by the constraints of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'warring concepts really?  before i ever seen pornography i could conceive in my mind whatever lusts i wanted on a remembered image in a day of a dressed person'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so christians are mindless and pornography is their way of not sinning in their heart or something'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty shabby arguement, he who looks after a woman to lust after her (with intent) has already sinned against her in his heart'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or sinned with her or something, fornicated'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe not all catholics should be catholics or not all christians, christians'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, redefinition of sin.  It's not strictly "right", but it's impossible to strive for the ideal of not sinning at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they can't do commandments maybe they work for satan trying to twist their sick fantasies into their religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my first sexual fantasy was getting babysat by 3's company girls'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the idea is that when faced with a choice on any arbitrary concept, the layperson will come down slightly on the side of the church rather than slightly on the side of the not-church.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the church lay's claim to satan's traps maybe he's laying claim to them instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'definaition of layperson pls internez slow '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'layperson are the sheep in the flock.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the church is based around they profess the enemy of the devil (or the one to whom the devil can't come near in glory or strength), but the devil is maybe as incomprehensible wealthy as their god, which is the limit to that wealth'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'non ordained ye i got it finally '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ok agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'porn time'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I believe theres definately beings of higher power than us whether any of em even care about our developement or not is up in the air no way in hell will i blindly follow  story written by a man'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lay-man (n) nonprofessiuonal, as distinguished from the clergy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i still think its a great tool to instill morales but belief is a whol other thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lay-man (n) nonprofessional folk, as distinguished (separate) from the clergy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'morals*'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i woder if religion gave birth to gov't '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, all these religions claim that god is omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (can't keep any secrets from him) and omnipotent (otherwise he'd have limits)'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they still attempt to justify themselves, claiming to have faith in these things'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'right hes so perfect he made us '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if god really wanted somebody to do something, like know satan and god and their differences, then they'd know it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no people required'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'right he wants you u to stuidly have faith in something without proof to him that has value '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't put faith in things that i don't have any understanding of, except for the entirety of the unknown'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im still being good just in case : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anything's possible, but i can only be myself and have my own self to experience it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm good sometimes, and what evil i do's usually pretty marginal, depending how it's seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly just nothing'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'love the grey area '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'man up and pick a side, dude.  War's coming, and if you try to play both sides you're just going to end up on the wrong side of a bunch of socks with bars of soap in them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't be going to prison alive for committing no crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can resist pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Not if it's PPER PRESSURE'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Peer, even. I gotta stop drinking so early.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hell no son i got my own peace of land i probally one of the most geographically safest places on earth and i know where the caves are ill be aright : D'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they invent a law and say i crossed it after the fact then i won't go to prison for that either'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i go to prison for a perception that is misguided then i won't go to prison for that either'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to go to prison i have to be reasonably sure i did something worth going to a human prison for'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise what's the point, might as well death penalty my way out of this devil's world'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i would for a small crime as apposed to death by resistance'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but iv experienced the place its definately not worse than death depending where u live ofc'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well the idea's there though, you can point out a million million retards or people who done alot worse than you even among the staff and their masters in governments'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ig go down shooting for anything over 20 tho that i didnt commit '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they want to throw you in there then they better have a better reason than why they're not in there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just thinking of being unfairly persecuted and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you go out and rob a bank or steal a car or beat somebody to death cause they winked at you then you probably deserve to be in there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but this other bullshit they threaten people with is shit, i'm not going to worship through fear or anything any person on earth who think's he's my god'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yes if i was convicted for rape or child molestation i didnt do  thats different i might go down shooting for that even if they offered probation '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so really were the same i just have a higher threshold cuz of my experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'see that stuff about them just handing out convictions to get more funding hehe '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better than malaysia where i read a report of them death squadding civilians so they could keep up their military paycheques at the american gold mine island'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For-profit prisons make people in countries that aren't the US laugh our asses off at you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, how dumb can you be?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '95% of convictions are plea bargains comeone if that doesnt say there somin wrong with the system what does '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say that in juvanile detention's graduation to adult prison the inmates are already sold 15 times before getting there to being ass-fucked and things like that, often committing suicide, 35% or something suicide rate in some context'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'like the boiler temp in the red zone '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye the us gots its bad not sure bout others '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dont think theres much of that here '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'canada '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'worst jail ever so far as iv heard is indias '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol gulag'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worst i heard of's maybe bolivia or el salvadore'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some in south africa seem pretty bad too, and china..'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they kill prisoners there and sell tehir organs'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate ye thats kinda ruff ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'Christ is Risen?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the answer to 1984?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, the NSA on the ministry video behind schedule is on this game and on yahoo chat'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so whatever they think their answer is is the answer to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'panopticon is older than NSA'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 1984'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'same idea though'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, but the correct answer ia 1776'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'tigernuta you make me crave honey roasted nuts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was countered by 2001-9/11'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, honey roasted nuts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't see you fighting for it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'zade do you pronounce your name zay-d or zshah-day?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'like the singer sade'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well he mighta pronounced zay-d but he doesnt anymore :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'who wanna know bput 9/11 i was there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so was i'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they can photoshop reality now didnt you know '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and often do'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? pics or it didnt happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planes crashed, the towers fell down'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are not in dispute'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'i sheltered the jewosh pilots who parachuted put bwfore the planea crashed'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o.0'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it is very likely CIA or nwo controllers essentially directed the attack via AlQuaeda'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'he prob lied about his nationality dontchathin'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'think even '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? you think al qaeda wouldnt just torture and maim teh cia spooks?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? CIA pay em'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'it was a ploy to go un sanctioned military base in the middleeast ethiopia maybe i don rem '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is extremely likely'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'to get a sanctioned i mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms as a listening post to gauge activities in iran? the way we used to listen from baku in azerbaijan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason we haven't had an 'attack' on israel by Iran is because USA believe it can get to invade without needing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're holding off to see if sanctions or arab spring can oust the encumbents there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sry vamps i really dont pay attention to details everything i learn is secondhand from the media i make my assumptions based on that and what i think I know about human nature .'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Aren't most people in Iran actually not in support of their government regarding the US and similar issues?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, most iranians i've spoken to support the military.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seems Iran just needs to rise up and ditch their crappy caliph-wannabe leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling did you vote for obama?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do you have a low opinion of iran's safavid dynasty? or are you just posing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck no, I voted for McCain'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, what does that dynasty have to do with Iran's current poor view of the US?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you clueless poser.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that dynasty put the current power structure into place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i heard about this electoral college in the u.s.a , it doesn't matter what 350 million people vote for, the only votes that actually count are those in the college'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't matter who's president, they're controlled from above'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you think god's a evil monkey then above it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not from the bottom though cause the face of the deep's too deep for them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you mean like how romney prays to a god?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere below but above'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a government was honest and doing what is most likely the correct thing to do in any situation, using public input and realignment of their purposeful actions based upon the diplomacy from below, then the only way for a foreign government of people who understand what's good and bad to defame this government would be for them to lie, and their lies will be observed by all of their observing members and once exposed to their public would cause discontent in their own government'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably similar to what wikileaks would have had as their purposes if they weren't trying to usurp, just showing people that what's up should be better understood instead of privatized by a few people to handle for you and all of your children'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well said '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like when jfk or the president of dr congo is mourned and people walk around looking lost, is because people didn't learn what to do and how things are from them so that their loss isn't the end of their countries, they're not lost, they just had a representative who actually meant them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they just handle all the real business and now it's handled by somebody else, never having passed that on down the liens'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's handling it wasn't as good'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'RIP Mike Wallace'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'shouldn't that be on the sports channel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Not if you know who Mike Wallace is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't, so it should.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle snickers with Ranrr about their shared secret.
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'just two people with the same name :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Did they both just die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'just the old one'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'N.Korea about to launch a "satellite" rocket and Syria is shooting into Turkey...'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Should be an interesting day/week'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gooood'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I always thought it was funny that one can thwart the will of god with a millimitre thick piece of plastic/rubber.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Imagine what one could do with a whole plastic factory?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The manager of the Miami Marlins baseball team has been suspended for five matches after saying he "loves" former Cuban leader Fidel Castro. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17667856 yep, freedom of professional sports opinions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american government trying to demonize people selectively uni-opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and through professional sports yet, and baseball!  which has several hundred immigrants from south/central and carribean nations'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's called discrimination in history, bigoted religions or races etc, opinions like assholes'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they run professional sports and banks, that's two disqualifications in a nation where mark twain novelts are edited'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's even more of a crime to criticize the president of israel, that puts you in line with nazi hate propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'us marines have their facebook pages filtered for any sign of non-unipinion of the president of the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if somebody has a bad opinion of you why couldn't you have taught them otherwise through your actions or explainations? '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, easier to just make a law and unwritten agreement in all national organizations that you'll lose your job and possibly be executed for sharing your opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi's are still a soft spot and wielding the biblical nation is our soriety'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and castro, he doesn't run as cruel of a place as people think from what i heard, but he's a demon to america'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dalai llama and china versus castro and america, what's the similarities and differences'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no other nation on earth (although several try, but aren't publicized often because the one race owns all the media) that has protection in it's national decisions based upon allegations of hate crimes against any and all who oppose them, even from members of their same race - as israel does'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't matter what you question, questioning is something that's not to be done or else you're a nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they got just about every government around under their control'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some use religions though, you have no white nation, there's several black and brown though and asian'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sweden, russia, belgium, germany all are half-breeds or mixed-race nations, where politics in just about every african nation is black, politicis in israel is jewish, politics in america is possibly jewish but mixed race, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'go to a jail chem its the same thing blacks back up blacks asiain asain and the whites fend for themselves mostly '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's racism, otherwise they'd be mixed everywhere or having a white nation wouldn't have been seen as a crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any non-chinamen politicians in china?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt it'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But if you think about it, white people still have power in just about every country. Either it's the exploitation of resources, the control of the banks, whatever. It's a relic of the empire era, mostly. It wasn't until very recently that China started moving in on what's typically been a UK and US thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'whites are the first people and probally the quikest to jump on for being "racist" but in my exp we are the least racist '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, we are the least racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm white, and I'm not racist. I wasn't trying to make a statement of morality, simply factuality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every race has it's racists though, some just more extravagantly than others'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The idea of a 'white nation' is kind of an oxymoron. White folks run the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im prob racist for saying that ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white nation automatically brings ku klux klan nazi's to peoples minds, through conditioning of the media'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath really? what about jacob zuma, or barrack obama?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or that hu jintao guy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the emperor of japan.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the royal family of spain'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You think Obama is the sole authority in the nation? Name one black general, besides the retired guy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the royal family of thailand'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you say black nation or asian nation or jewish nation there's several real world examples, jews have israel that's fine, but politics in multi-cultural nations shouldn't be ogliarcized towards their nation's best interests and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what about the saudi royals.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and banks and telecommunications'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Look at the multinational conglomorates. Wars have been about banking systems more than anything else, and it all ends up consolidated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'arms developers'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'science, all that stuff shouldn't be racially administered'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath so we should run around fearing solidarity?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you give every race their own nation and their own platform to develop them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not at all. I'm not against it. I'm not particularly for it, either. It just is what it is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that statement provable / disprovable?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it just your unfounded opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise there shouldn't be any racist nations around, especially when they're used against the freedom of your own people'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That rich white dudes run the world? I'm pretty sure there's plenty of evidence to support such a claim.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath name one white guy that controls more wealth than king abdullah of saudi arabia'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude taps his foot impatiently. What can he be waiting for?
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate could be a case of grass is greenner on the other side :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not grass , its marijuana'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'King Abdullah has 26 billion bucks in his family's businesses. Mike Duke controls ten times that much with Wal-Mart.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm sorry, twenty times that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'shhhh'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath... king abdullah's influence over opec?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Pales in comparison to many CEOs ability to influence world markets.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath so if opec suddenly made all gulf oil unobtainable, you think that has less influence than if walmart closed for a month?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'OPEC controls about 30 million barrels per day. Non-OPEC sources control about 35 million. I'm not saying OPEC can't affect prices, but the days of ruining economies on a whim are behind them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm sorry... 31 billion, not 35.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i don't agree with that figure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but, in terms of a whim, it doesnt have to be a whim'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they merely have to declare that there is instability in the region, and announce that they have a determination that their national reserves are too low.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'those non opec sources are they fracturing on there own countries soil '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you know how easy it is to get the rest of the world to aknowledge instability in the middle east?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if thats the case then yes closing the doors would have a huge impact fracturing hurts and our govt'sluike it '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'out of lala land, how much oil produced on the american half of the world is used by the american half of the world, and how much is shipped abroad?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they say nationalization is anti-democratic'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh by abroad, do you include mexico and canada?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i mean asia and europe and africa'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gulf of mexica spills were managed by european companies, seems odd given that they're so close to the american shoreline'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i know that in canada we sell alot of our resources to the us and buy the same type of resources from the us for more our politicians tell us its good for the economy '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms it is... as long as it helps them cook the books'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does any oil at all get floated over to america from saudi arabia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt it myself, probably mostly is sent to that half of the world isn't it?  along with lots produced on this side of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'to me i think of a division in terms of class, and im not sure that the things that are good for the economy of a rich investor are the same that are as good for the economy of somebody who wants to own a home one day are.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but that's far removed from the oil topic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate i have no idea but that rings true chem \'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'except in places like saudi arabia where a few royals own everything.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh... i still have chemosh on ignore from when they turned me down for a cr after asking me if i worked at a gas station.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'US Dept. of Economics says that 17 percent of our supply comes from Saudi Arabia. But it doesn't specify that oil ever reaches the mainland. I'm sure a lot of it gets used up by American interests overseas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your tells never make any sense so neither shall mine'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'get over it m8 '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath do 'wars' use oil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i mean, officially?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's my main point... the US Army guzzles a lot of gas and oil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath is that your opinion, or the official view of the u.s. army?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And it'd still be considered American demand, as far as the economics go.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath what if an offshore security firm like blackwater renamed to twice used it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, good for the economy they don't know good if it kicked them in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just depends on which futures market they purchased it at.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's only so many places you can buy oil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If it's purchased in New York, but pumped, processed, and used entirely overseas, it stil factors into the numbers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of all the ponzi schemes you see mentioned in a lifetime you rarely see the government being prosecuted'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you not buy into it?  probably not or they'll send their sheriff's'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never seen a study on the rates of skin cancer in nations that get alot of sun but probably can't all afford sunscreen and that of other places where sunscreen is used alot'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's possible that the lotion itself possibly when mixed with the sun results in skin cancer, like the 1960 zit medicine and liver disease'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes to stop uv rays is water, they toned down their monitoring of things released to the general public around 1985-1990, before then they actually did their jobs a little bit - in 1951 they knew thalidomide resulted in children born with no limbs and other defects, in 1963 they finally made it outlawed'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what happens when you pay murderers and people who don't know what they're doing to do jobs relating to public safety'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there should be though, since there isn't that shows that not only are they not doing their jobs, but they have hidden the contrasting considerations from sight as evidence of that'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they get paid 500,000+ each a year'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of tax dollars'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 60 years ago they were feeding thalidomide to pregnant women knowing full well that what they feed them results in babies born without limbs, for over 12 years until their victims amassed in the millions and the government was forced to take a glance at what it already knew'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and somehow people think that's all behind them now, sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'joseph mendele's experiments on human beings weren't all limited to the nazi's as that can bee seen as'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he knew what he did was wrong too'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dead is dead and killing anything systematically is about what they're about isn't it?  both are the same then'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how much i trust the government in any place'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'same characteristic idea's of people that are incarnate in the past and present *, that's usually what i talk about when i compare supervillains of reality to system's that have done the same kind of things in the past and present'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they never even make the news sometimes, like opinions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just out of a actual reasoning process they can't be trusted and should be criticized - they say one of the worst things to happen in a place is when it's government is feared by it's people more than the other way around'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Killing people through their ignorance is one thing, making knowledge a monetary value is another - is money the root of all evil?  or maybe exploitation of peoples ignorance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'desire is the root of all evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'desire doesn't seem to be good or evil, what's desired and for what reason maybe sometimes is'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Desires are meaningless without the means to accomplish them. Power is the root of all evil, then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, desire is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you don't want it, you don't expend resources to get it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, say I desire to wipe out all humans. It doesn't hurt anyone unless I can somehow execute it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are lots of racists, but only one Hitler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, there are many more Hitlers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Fair enough, you have a point. But far, far fewer than there are racists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'slightly less as many Adolph Hitlers, and of those, only one was in a position to maim and torture millions by proxy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being mad at the world's usually based on something you hate about it and a debate over whether what you used to like about it's more or less predominant in your opinion than what you hate - like old yeller the dog dying of rabies was once a real dog but the vermin took over it's real properties and slowly decayed them - depending how you see things, wiping out humanity can seem like a mercy killing of all the world's good properties or the eventual transition into a rabid dog gonna die and hating living'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought about it before, lots of people did'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then there's always the possibility that the people who enforce rabies on the world will be replaced with some saner alternatives'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The motives for the desire aren't relevant. Whether it's for purification or punishment, it's only when someone has the means and the will to use them that things gets messy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, motives mean alot - they're what's used in committing the action'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who're evil are easier to dissuade than people who aren't, also easier to tell them out of a pack'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who thought things through and keep on thinking things through are more difficult, because their judgement tells them the answer'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I really can't think of anyone who is evil for evil's sake. "A villain is never a villain in their own eyes"... There's insanity, and there's purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you're correct, but i can think of several real world examples that make me agnostic'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I can't disagree with that statement. Mankind is capable of terrible things, and many times in the name of a god who doesn't seem to mind or must not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You'd think "love thy neighbor or else" would eventually invoke the else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, love thy neighbour as thyself, some people hate themselves alot, so if they're sharing themselves with others then there's no real crime in not loving them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of pretending though'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what you do about it, some people don't think things through much, don't get punished much while growing up or develop a sense of mutual respect'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the world's largely an evil place, and not only is it considered irrational to attempt to find a reason for the current world, it's also social taboo to attempt to reason out the minds behind society in the past and compare their assumed differences to those in the present'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'history repeating itself is never on television, but some people make blatant comparisons with no real depth put into it, or too many UFO stories to be considered rational'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I've never been certain if there really is more evil, or if it simply gets more attention. I'm not sure if the end result makes any difference though, in the long run.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more attention is possible, media is alot more accessible today'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another consideration though is that in the past media like this and newspapers and stuff was handled locally and there wasn't much of an investment ogliarchy over what people think'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dictators each had their own use of media to make them look good usually and their opponents look bad'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's kind of similar'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Depends how far back you go... Hearst had a pretty tight rein on what was reported. Yellow journalism or whatever they called it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not much different than Murdoch today.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And as you go back, printing costs increased, the number of literate people decreased, control would only be easier.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Today anyone with a shitty laptop and a table at Starbucks can publish something, but it doesn't make the truth any easier to learn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Everyone has an agenda.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's possible, how far back we can't go though, they exhume massive crypts underneath churches in italy and places like that, so around there from the bodycount we get some idea of what kind of back was back there'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to think of the world outside of the inherited systems of power of today that govern people, seeing the original criminal psychologies and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my agenda is to have no agenda ye guess your right '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause through that kind of speculation i can gain a more firm understanding of all of their manifestation in the world, probability theory and stuff except done without math, what's most likely, and how could things be done differently freed from the boundaries of however long those mass graves were appearing'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of building ideas built on the system, criticizing the system and it's developers (probably most of who are dead) and seeing what sacrifices they made that oppress people today'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the american saying is 'one nation before god' and way back when their order of operation was government -> man -> god, so man had a head for god or better, and government had a head for man , who held them accountable'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That goes back to the Holy Roman Empire... back when the Pope was literally a head of state. Now he's head of a stateless nation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Religion and government have almost always been linked.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think vatican city being a nation inside the capital of italy is a way to get around things like JFK's separation of church and state (he also met with the pope)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the pope's probably the ruler there, so he can represent the nation that isn't the catholic church'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There was a Far Side strip, or a comic like it, with a caveman on a rock podium saying "How can he protect you from the boogey man if he isn't even sure he exists?" which I think sums up early man's ideas about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican is "head" of a lot of monies -- all those Catholics paying tithes'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And even without the tithes filling their coffers, they have their "no questions asked" bank which is really second only to the Swiss in terms of customers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's odd because jesus in the gospel story threw over the money changers tables in the church and said to render unto caesar what belongs unto him - separation of jesus and the bible seem possible too, antichristian churches and things'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like arnolds movie the end of days puts it ' you are the true enemy of god, houseman''
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pennies for Peter, Pennies for Paul, Pennies for the vatican that oversees all (those pennies)"  (to the tune of A'sauling)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'churches should be built and upkept with manual labour of their parishioners, in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Amish style... you help me build a house, I'll help you build a house, we'll all pitch in and build the church.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see what the profession in being a man of god is, but i don't think politicians and government officials should consider their work as work either - otherwise they can just keep on making jobs that don't exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was a fiction -- also, tossing money tables was neither turning the other cheek nor being swiss'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lest i come to thee as a thief in the night - bel and the dragon and the family under the table'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm couldn't say with certainty that there never was a man named Jesus. But I also couldn't say with certainty that any of the stories we have about him ever occured.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever's real i think that god wouldn't mind if people focused on that, considering that the people born 3700 years before the bible was ever written probably never heard of jesus from a priest or other religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have had theirs back then too though'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was they all sinners?  haven't heard the name and received the holy spirit which nobody can figure out how to be reborn'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is a book of fiction -- quoting from the Bible is useful for repudiating the religious, not for supporting idiotic contentions of authority'
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T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible's also good to make comparisons with and possibly learn some spiritual realities, and as a consideration whether or not it's real there's plenty who seem to think so'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read alot of stuff and the bible's one of the most difficult'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is seemingly imitating a religious nutter '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also to find irregularities in it's own pages or typographical errors, questionable implications'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is not difficult when not a believer'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it puts me a step ahead of most deceivers spreading some holy message from a book'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all are deceivers though, so it's good'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but those that believe the crap in the bible, difficulties'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you read a whole book without believing a word you read?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider possibilities without closing my mind to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves everyhing
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves everything
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"an open mind that is too open is like a garbage acceptance chute"'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about all garbage on earth has it's roots in something, at those roots and how they're treated in the trash you can decide what kind of person wrote the trash and what their intentions were'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so got yourself some more psychological profiling and trends to look for/learn to expect in other trashpiles'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not the bible is trash is a matter of opinion, maybe affirmation in your anti-god faith, but that wasn't enough for me - parts of it can make me angry reading it, other parts make more rational sense, other parts seem too good to be true, but altogether they're a book that's not easily thrown aside under my label of trash - which usually requires a good understanding of the author and what kind of person they are, what they expect in their audience and what type of audience they appeal to - the bible doesn't make base supplications to the reader as some other religious texts make, or ponder too lengthly on absolute vanity - even their formula's for temple's and ark's of covenant might have some meaning that's beyond the objects they created'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'nnote to mention at the time the scope and granduer of such a feat bfr that the greatest piece of lit I think was the odysee'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wrote one down about ritual sacrifices'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a possibility though instead of an absolute - the type of mind that arrives at the thought that you got to kill things and feed god blood and gore'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'iv always wanted to read nieche not that im anyway like that but I found it interesting how he supported his conclusions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the ones I read'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'how can u condemn human action if a human did it its human nature that'd be like blaming water for being wet'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i listen to the finnish language and don't rely on a translator, i can almost tune into the meaning of their words never having learned them - and what's strange is that sometimes they seem to speak a fast and little-used dialect of english, like words in english that exist but aren't used commonly, but which do have meanings, that sometimes are the translated meanings of the speech'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'did you take any ummm frig i cant remember the class but theres some classes that help u do that my sis can do it '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the tower of babel was maybe a real place to me, in modern times there's the cowboy and indian shows where the indian says how, and that means hello, hello sounds like hell low, hi sounds like high, how high?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'very my man '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me it doesn't seem like unintelligent design, and if they're developing modern languages under the basis of questionable meaning then how do they do it unintelligently?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'eyes wander '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably can't make that observations too easily if you think inside the box, but stepping back and watching for yourself and your own mind things like that might seem odd'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i mean about systems and how things work in the world, money's all they talk about in politics and reason with in negligence'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stepping back and lookin at what resources a real government has available alot of the problems don't have to exist by the faintest stretch of the imagination'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mark twain based cartoon a mysterious stranger you can find on the internet is like that too, look for the spanish version and read the translation to english, where sin means no and satan means saint evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if sin really does mean no, and people are taught about not sinning everywhere, are you supposed to not say no or what are they saying?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like why they don't translate jehovah or allah into english, they say allah translates to 'the deity' but they say in egyptian mythology that at utterance of a name it's owner's shade appears'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's hard to assign a greater meaning to random sounds, etymologists have been studying language for a long time. Most likely our earliest version was something similiar to the Khoisan family of languages that survive today... click talking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they maybe have this belief in not translating those words into readily comprehensible (or incomprehensible like what's a deity) meanings'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere in the old testament one of the characters claims 'I AM sent me', so he's talking on behalf of god somewhere through there and here he claims he sent himself'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the spirit of life 'I AM' i exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds maybe do have meaning though, at least in hinduism and egyptian mythology sometimes they do'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one custom in egypt was to give people a public name and a private name so that witches couldn't use it in their identification'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that would be interesting if the bible and the koran were both based on the same religion, or maybe one of that religions teachings uses both (like most of the world follows one or the other) buddha and krishna aren't too far back though, satan might be manifest everywhere without peoples knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like illuminati stuff, except that word kind of sounds foolish doesn't it?  almost like UFO aliens'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's a book called "Before the Dawn" by Nicholas Wade you might find interesting, Chem. It tries to recreate 50,000 years of prehistory by combining etymology, genetics, archaeology, geography, and religion. It doesn't really draw firm conclusions, it just describes the data as they existed in 2006.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll look for it next time i'm at the store'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I love it, mainly because it's not a judgemental work... it's just an exploration of ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise where would they have found the fear to not translate the name of their deity into english for an english speaking people?  i'm not sure if allah sounds the same in arabic and english and that's the reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but beyond that there's that egyptian belief (that they say) they believed with utterance of a name it's owners shade appeared (shadow was part of the soul)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Aren't all the Abrahamic religions closely related?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing with religions is how do we know where they come from instead worshipping the source, who wrote them and what kind of people (as you say and the mass graves in the past) would have had the time to write them, what were their intentions, what are the intentions of the modern iterations of their story, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The Jews had a similiar aversion to speaking god's name... they still tend to spell it g-d instead. Christianity was one of the first, at least the first religions from that region, that didn't have some secret name for their deity. I think it was about power... not so much power over god, but the power of mystery to keep their audience's attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'homoperverts use "g-d" except when referring to themselves as "god" -- so, Chemosh, are you saying the jews are gay'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I was the one who'd mentioned the g-d thing. I wasn't saying anything about their sexuality, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Oath is a Chemosh apprentice'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you both sound similar'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except for the ufos and conspiracy theories, sure. I like a good debate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Besides, it's easy to tell us apart... I use capitalization and punctuation. :p'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never heard of trumannn'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which twilight movie is gonna have those volturi dudes get their buttocks's kicked?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Icke, crazy or misunderstood?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which news story was he involved in again?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He's a crazy conspiracy theorist. Does a lot of book tours.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recently? none, but he's one of the people who believe an oligarchy are trying to take over the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's crazy, but quite a lot of what he says has a lot of truth in it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5+5=11 stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you DO know that's what's going to happen when we see Jesus again, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Reptile overlords?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's going to say "ffs, the last thing I want to see is CROSSES"'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reptile overlords thing is a little misunderstood'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, they failed already and are quietly withdrawing'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he spent years researching religion and culture of ancient cultures'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and was drawing parallels'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if you insist he means literally that reptile overlords exist, then you're also implying that God, including all the Hindu ones, manifestly exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he really is talking about is people's beliefs and the existance of good and evil in people's lives'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they weren't as sneaky as they thought they were, and the all-powerful amorphous beings of light from other dimensions who can wipe entire races out of existence with mere thought told them to knock it off...or else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is always the case, the least important part of any religion is the belief in the existance of a God'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought he was talking about reptile space gods secretly controlling the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sortof'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit more complicated than that :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like saying "It's some superpowerful space-creature that created the earth" when asked "What is Christianity?"'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'ALL HAIL THE SPACE CREATURE!'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, nice to see the USA following UK into police state territory'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'real gods don't exist outside of our belief in them.  If you could round up all the Christian believers and Pol Pot their asses without someone sneaking off to preserve the belief, you can kill God.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's no better or worse than any other religion, but it's his position. He seems sincere.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not -his- belief system'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the lizard people/illuminati/aliens are a weird bunch. they run the world and still insist that they should spy on crazy people and probe them anally'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, a lot of his detractors say he stole it pretty much wholesale.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they all did.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't claiming ownership of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, but he is seling it. I wouldn't say every idea he presents is without merit... but if the question is crazy or misunderstood, I'd fall firmly in the crazy camp.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do realise the constitution will be abolished within 10 years?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(american constitution)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you say so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Didn't they say that ten years ago?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the first and the fourth are already out of the window'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriot act :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ending of posse comitatus'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the move towards gun confiscation and repeal of right to bear arms'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Posse comitatus was already bent beyond recognition when paramilitary units started executing no-knock search warrants for drug offenses.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does that make it alright?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, but it doesn't mean the country is ending.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'can I use your kid as a prop to demonstrate the point?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can find one'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And other than an artificial scarcity of ammo from hoarding, I haven't seen much change in gun laws, either.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'involving someone's kid really changes how they think about stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys -have- a consitution at least you can refer to'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK there is no yardstick to measure the erosion of liberty against'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means it goes unnoticed'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'isn't the Magna Carta still technically in effect?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can already be stopped/search without a warrant, can be incarcerated without charge, out calls, texts, and emails are already recorded by the govmt, and soon, our websearches and web pages we visit will too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'web traffic is already recorded'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has, but government didn't have carte blance to access it before, it was subject to data protection act'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just required a warrant. It was no more deterrent than saying "Please".'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, doesn't justify it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Also doesn't mean the end of everything.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that also doesn't justify it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you being summarily executed on the spot without reason or recourse wouldn't mean the end of society either'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I remembered some elder woman was fined & told to remove her organic garden from her front yard because the city code defined a front yard as one with only trees, bushes & flowers. Somehwere in NY I think. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm sure you and your family/friends might not be terribly happy with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noods, hluth, some guy in georgia committed suicide after a campaign of corruption and harrassment by city officials'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Individuals vs homeowner associations is also not new. People have been told to remove the American flag, even when properly displayed and lit according to federal law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's a far stretch from changing data access to being shot in the street. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'When that starts happening, you'll have my attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Poor guy. :/'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'The subtle changes are what matter the most though, Oath.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The bottom line, let's say there is some vast conspiracy that's worked tirelessly for years to set up the world how they want it. Why knock it all over now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it's incremental'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's nothing special about the time we live in, other than we happen to live in it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'risk aversion, basically.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether a giant conspiracy or a 30yr slide into tyranny through concatenated greed and stupidty'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda irrelevent, the end result is the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I honestly think most of the corruption & tyranny is due to thousands of different people systematically taking everything they want for themselves. If there is some group invoolved, they're not going to be able to do much against the independent ones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a cancer, whether directed or not'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I wait every day for something big to happen, but like I said, the small changes matter the most, and everything, the economy, social structure, just slides slowly down, degrading.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But it's a disease that humanity has been carrying for thousands of years. No reason to pronounce the patient terminal yet.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MIT paper suggesting total world economy collapse in 2030'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'But Oath, don't you think with the technology, understanding of cultures, the thousands of years of new intelligence.. we'd be off with that disease? Shouldn't we have bettered, than to have stagnated?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'until and unless it becomes individually disadvantageous to do so, it will continue'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some say they're deliberately poisoning people with crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I would hope, perhaps. But without a basis for comparision, it's hard to say whether we are ahead or behind where we should be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i say it's probably as a result of greed and incompetence, but the end result again is the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'money ruined everything.  they do have the cures for everything, but theres no money in it.  they do have more effecient tech, but it uses less gas'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'money also made a lot of things possible that wouldn't have been on a purely trade-based system.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'IT was a good book. I haven't seen the movie though. I think I actually have it on VHS, but I never popped it in.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hard to do research in anything if you're relying on a farmer giving you a chicken if he feels your research is worthwhile'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'plusses and minuses to everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'before money, there was land.  Before land, there was stuff.  Stuff is the root of all evil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'really in the end its.. time corrupts all'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But there is just as much energy going into fighting it. Every day a million people do good deeds without making the news.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be arrested :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Have you been arrested?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or stifled from speaking your mind?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Rise of Leslie Vernon pops up on the free on demand stuff on cable now and then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Dammit. Too many channels.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'In schools you can't argue with the teachers over political incompetence, or other stuff of that nature. I tried arguing with my History teacher that Columbus was a land thief, a murdering lunatic bigot.. and I got booted out. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been dumbing down qualifications here for 30 years'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'No doubt about that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'And you're correct about feeding people stupidity through food/drink. I feel dumb just after eating a fast-food hamburger.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, is it laziness? want to make the figures look good so you can claim you've done good in government? incompetence? or part of a big plan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, makes little difference, same end result'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'The old: Empires rise & fall.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And yet the world keeps turning.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'fast food is not as bad for you as everyone claims it is.  These claimants just don't want to draw too much attention to the fact that most people (including themselves) are far lazier than they care to admit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the fast food per-se, it's your overall lifestyle'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't want american burgers after seeing the pink sludge they put in it, and how it's made'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'really?  Because anyone who uses pink slime over here uses it all over the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and not many used it in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't eat fast food burgers :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Yes, Oath. World turns... until Planet X arrives and blasts us into oblivion! :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the things that makes fast food 'bad for you' imo is because it's so easy to overeat without realizing how much food you've actually eaten. fat is a lot more concentrated. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'its in ground beef from the store too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'sodium is very high in almost all fast-food joints. fast-food = stroke & heart lurking in wait.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'heart attack*'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'All in the same quantities used in expensive sit-downs as well as in grocery stores.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sodium = yum. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'where it's not, folks still use salt and other seasonings like nobody's business.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'How do you knowq that, Dokkar? Do you read all those nutritional value papers in expensive or fast food joints? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because our taste buds *like* salt and fat. Chefs in fancy restaurants know that just as well as the fast food joints. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'salt, fat, sugar, your body gets addicted to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I've been obligated to research it, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like any addiction, nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, heroine, sleeping pills, SSRI's'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'caffeine'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I'm addicted to Ben & Jerry's Mint Chocolate Chip ice cream. Damn tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, plus our bodies are mostly not optimized for a time of plentiful food.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all the meat even comes from the same places using the same recipes.  The same "horsemeat" you deride Jack in the Box for selling gets rave reviews as the highest-quality meats served at tony establishment such as Tony's (in St. Louis, old enough and rich enough and high-class enough to have served powerfolk all the way back to Prohibition.)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all meat is not equal, i tend to get meat from local farmers markets or local butchers where i can trace which farms the meat came from'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not my burger!'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the establishment are trying to clamp down on local produce too, because they want to control all the world's food resources'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'where do you think the processed meats come from, Tiger?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, really? how are they clamping down on local produce? mandated inspection for that as well?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Also meat is different as to what farmers inject their cattle with those hormones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandated inspection and registration, restriction of movement, all prohibitively expensive and unneccessary'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for produce as well as meat?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not produce yet, but i wouldn't be at all surprised if that happens, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'As long as "downers" are a thing, I'm all for more inspections.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yech.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, all our honey bees got wiped out because of Bayer's dodgy pesticides'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Maybe. It might be a virus or a parasite. Without corpses it's hard to determine a cause of death.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and decades of dodgy pesticides are partly to blame for the explosion of asthma, allergies, and other problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty strong evidence now, oath'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/034678_honey_bees_colony_collapse_pesticides.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I haven't checked up on the bee story since last summer, so I'm not up on anything more recent than that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'll go read that, brb.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Worst part of that article? Yeah, we figured it out, this is what caused it. We'll take care of it later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's terrific. :/'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Biggest problem with environmental issues today: we can identify them, but no one gives a shit enough to do something about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Anyone here know how all those birds, cattle & fish died in the masses last year? Was it ever explained?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Was actually around the world type of thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear about that'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, the biggest problem is that nobody (and I mean NOBODY) wants to make the sacrifices.  They want the issue solved, but someone/anyone/everyone else should suffer the inconveniences it brings.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had a spate of problems with lambs and cows being born dead/crippled as a result of some mystery virus, but that's about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'huh. well don't remember the very details'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there were shitloads of flocks of birds who randomly dropped dead.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be just about anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't they have some outbreak that killed a bunch of fish and nobody could explain how the fish even got there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I remember that one, Majic. One town literately had hundreds & hundreds of birds rain down dead on spot.. lying in every yard, top of houses and on streets.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere nods at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe chemtrails?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Arkansas, back in January 2011, comes up on a search.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Town of Beebe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'could be.  Chemtrails make it rain on clear days, after all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably that or your government trying to steralise niggers'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'airborne virus/vaccine'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear they've been trying to stoke up hatred between the races in america in the same way they've been trying to stoke up hatred between the classes here'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Sheez Tigernuts, little outburst of racism? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true middle class white guy, Hluthmere'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you heard incorrectly.  The black community hasn't really stopped white-hatin' since the civil rights excitement.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone has been stoking up the white supremacists, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they haven't.  The levels on all sides has been mostly constant since the civil rights movement.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those claiming otherwise are overlooking/hiding a lot of stuff, hoping to get you on their side.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Idk know about that around here in the Midwest.. some white kids can go around saying 'ngga' right in front of black folks and get clean away with it. Of course, they don't mean it in offensive race terms.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's the whole point, dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'with many white men flooding the hip-hop scene along with black men, many of the younger cultures have relinquished much aof racial based prejudices.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was always an American-specific thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it tells you a lot if nothing has changed, yet the media all of a sudden are peddling tales'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Probably stoking the fires over the Florida shooting.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But that was a Latino who shot a black kid, so it's not getting much traction.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It seems to have settled more on the stand your ground laws than anything else now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not "all of a sudden".  Blacks are actually starting to call other blacks racists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well maybe it's the natural conclusion of actual discrimination->countering of discrimination->political correctness'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those on one side are cultivating the seeds of what they're activising for, the others are crying foul and trying to come up with real solutions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The first cases of forced sterilisation were reported in 2005, by Gulbakhor Turaeva - a pathologist working in the city of Andijan who noticed that uteruses of young, healthy women were being brought to a mortuary where she worked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that sick or is it just the way i look at it, cause it looks evil from here'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds almost like something starling would joke about, except it's possibly real'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd believe it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when you have the incredible rhetoric against population growth etc., this is the next step imo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they don't seem to be very overpopulated though, and the low morality and value system used in the world today result in thoughtless reproduction'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually population growth is a concern there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's other ways they could have tackled the problem if they weren't premeditating killers'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it would require independence from the rest of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'killers? I shouldn't say killers, although I would say that I believe what they're doing is extremely immoral.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't thinking of only them'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'that sounds pretty hot. I wish I were the one removing them :{'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i watch the latest movies and cant curse enough... it seemes that the amateur-art is killing all the "serious" stuff. they got no nuts anymore. all that hollywood can do is copy old, do nothing new. the good b-movies are doomed - cant earn cash for the effort. there is no future for mainstream promotion. I rememember a big bad bunch of good old 90's movies but from 00's? just a handful. sad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the writers strike likely ruined the industry'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. ruined. they all ruined the industry. tiers ruined the industry.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'basically if an artform gets cheap enough.. the cheap gold-diggers take over.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prior to the writers strike, bad crap was able to be edited more readily out of the scripts; following the strike, the scripts were more likely to be bad and dark'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'googleing the strike now:0'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, notalent sexperverts uually write bad scripts  (note: sexperverion is not a "talent" when decent movie storylines are desired)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that said, what are the types of movies that seem to be proliferating as movies these days, and what are the gender preferences of those scripting that crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'pff.. i think bad jefe attacked by his employees.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of "romance" crap appearing as movies on satellite tv -- either the romance crap is cheaper to produce or being sold at a cheaper rate (and budget-conscious tv-stations like cheaper) or "romance" crap is simpler to script or (?)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the uprising is kind of popular theme now..'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'quite a lot of movies have it '
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that xxx-rated b-porn-movies do not provide much of a "plot" -- merely lots of inane gratuitous sex -- "romance" movies are similar in that inane gratuitous romance replaces the inane gratuitous sex'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i love Tiana Lynn... until he gargled some liquid'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'she.... SHE : )'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is also a lot of seeming "legal" plagiarism in plot complications -- scriptwriters copy from each other'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gresham's Law: "bad money drives out good money"  may also applie to the movie and tv industry: "bad scripts drive out (or flood out) the good scripts"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apply'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yup. the script search engine is broken. like google. or youtube.. or anything else nowadays. the good stuff is buried somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rampant infiltration of the movie and tv industry by sex-perverts is resulting in scripts based on gratuitous sexperversion instead of "actual nonsexual talent"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"you want to be an actor these days, you must support sexpervesion"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Celebrity Roasts of the 20th century (clean nonsexual) are different to the Celebrity Roasts of the 21st century (blatant sexual innuendo and often disgusting)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christians presenting dubious and faulty arguments: "Unmasking the Pagan Christ" (Vison TV 21pm) '
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that as opposed to 21am?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is conciseness and extra redundancy with 21pm, since concise "pm" indicates that "21pm" is an hour'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so would "at 21 hours", the correct expression :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"21 hours" is not as concise as "21pm"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously, but it does have the quality of being correct, not so with "21pm" :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides "21 hours" is a dishonest "liar" expression developped by the allias during WWII'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I suppose we should start preparing for the day when we live in a planet with a 48-hour rotation :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not so, Mexico, for instance, operates on a 24-hour clock, officially.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya operates on a 25 hour clock.
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'base 2's easier, but how do you describe twilight and dawn?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, base 16 is the easiest, it packs more data and it is equivalent to base 2.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with base 2 you have a 0 o clock and 1 o clock, so it's less hassle'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can work from 1 to 1 and have 0 time off'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do that now, anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, when the illiterate attempt to restrict base 10 to a string of one digit'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason we use base 10 is because he have 10 fingers. I am glad we don't have 11 :) Thoug 9's compliment is a very neat tool :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'real men count in hexidecimal'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's smart talk there'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Kanmuru Kirua, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'This mort I have a 1388 tnl :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thats' 1-easy-4 times 5 :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'oooo, this I didn't know, "The traditional Chinese units of weight were base-16. For example, one jin (approximately 256 grams) in the old system equals sixteen liang (16g). The Chinese abacus could be used to perform hexadecimal calculations."'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the abacus rocks!'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a book on advance abacus operations. The abacus beats the hell out of the slide ruler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the way the abacus is set up is naturally logarithmic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, no one uses a slide ruler these days, anyway :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"24" was unbelievable, "Touch" is even worse'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/taste-testers-enlisted-sample-fish-exposed-scottish-gas-215136261.html I wonder if these guys know what mercury tastes like?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is scottish gas laced with mercury'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'airborne mercury -- an interesting concept'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, I think you're thinking of the wrong kind of gas, Zade.  Nobody's going to willingly taste-test a whiskey fart.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there are some types of fart that people are willing to taste test?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Three Stooges" (movie 2012) is a disgusting depraved "bust"  -- they cast a dirty old jewish-looking man as a catholic nun (wtg, insult the Catholics)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bob Brown :( RIP'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why bother erecting suicide barriers on reputed 'suicide bridges'?  If these people want to off themselves, I say let 'em.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the guy in Georgia that the state blew up because they wanted his land?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I didn't hear that one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they harassed him with all kinds of jumped up charges for years because they were rezoning his land up Agenda 21 green spaces'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually they sent county marshalls around to evict him and his house "blew up" with him in it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dangerous things those houses, they blow up at the drop of a hat'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the city officials have set up a wall of silence'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, a bartender I knew back when I was 18 got blown up due to a natural gas leak in his house.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guy didn't have gas'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Could have been something else flammable.  Propane, gasoline, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe the guy blew himself up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he did, he did it under duress'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he blew himself up it was a tragedy caused by tyranny, if he was blown up by the police, it's a murder by tyrannical governance'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you saying either of those is good?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hm, seems he didn't pay his mortgage.  Then he was illegally raising chickens.  Sounds like the authorities had solid legal grounds to evict him, since presumably the bank wanted to repossess the property.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy didn't have a mortgage and was legally allowed to have chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it sounds like he blew the house up himself, a typical case of "if I can't have it, nobody can!"  His own choice, and he paid with his life.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, this article says he was raising chickens in violation of ordinances against raising livestock in residential areas, and that he fell behind in mortgage payments while he was in prison.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh, he was put in prison because he fixed the culverts that the city failed to do resulting in his property flooding'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't subject to those ordinances as he wasn't part of residential before it was rezoned, he was protected by grandfather status'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe he shouldn't have tampered with city infrastructure'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mayor lent him a tractor to do the work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If he wasn't authorized to do the work, he wasn't authorized.  I doubt the mayor lent him the tractor in any official capacity.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound like the man'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, who says grandfather status even applied?  It often doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was systematically harassed over the course of ears'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did in this case, he won the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In any case, the eviction wasn't in reference to the chickens, it was in reference to the issue of foreclosure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, it was a damning edictment on the city'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you get behind on your mortgage, the bank doesn't just boot you out.  There are legal hoops they have to jump through.  If he had the money, why didn't he pay the overdue balance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll laugh when they come after you :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not to worry, DHS has set up "The Green Police"'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm guessing he didn't have the money, and that the bank had served with ample prior notice that eviction would result from failure to pay.  He didn't like it, so he threw a tantrum and blew himself up, again "if I can't have the house, nobody can!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their word against his, i guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe if he hadn't pissed his money away trying to defend his 'right' to raise chickens he could have paid his mortgage.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe if they hadn't harassed him because they wanted his property to redevelop, he would have been able to afford his mortgage'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't see it as harassment.  The city clearly had laws against chicken-raising, and it believed that its case against the man had merit.  Of course the city prosecutor pursued the case, that is his job.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nutjob blows himself up in a publicity stunt...it worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you now consider him a folk hero, publicity achieved'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it was obviously a meth lab accident.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The man chose to fight it and put himself in dire financial straits.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every case they brought was thrown out, this suggests they did not do so legitimately'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they had a case, he would not have been acquitted'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You do realize that if the city really wanted the land, they would have invoked eminent domain eventually, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just could they could, doesn't make it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The city might not have had a case, but that had to be ruled by the court.  Prior to that, it was the city prosecutor's job to pursue a case that the city reasonably believed to have merit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least they're launching a campaign to impeach Obama now :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The man obviously had his priorities wrong in any case, why would you piss away money to raise some filthy chickens (no doubt to the detriment of everyone else) when you have a mortgage to pay?  Didn't he make the connection between "no money = no pay = bank gets mad = eviction" ?  Evidently not.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'raising chickens doesn't cost money'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chickens are not filthy and to the detriment of others'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Buying feed and whatnot doesn't cost money?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Chickens don't attract bugs, rodents, and other pests?  Really?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay you abck in eggs and meat'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, chickens were quite to the detriment of most of his neighbors'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his neighbours don't agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maintenance of the coop, cleaning supplies, etc. don't cost money?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, chickens are NOISY.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many of his neighbors do agree...that's what started the city on the chickens...complaints about the chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cockerals are noisy, chickens are not'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're noisy and nasty smelling'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no worse than dogs or kids'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he had roosters crowing at all hours, not just chickens...we just call them chickens as a breed...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true townie'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've been around all 3, there's no contest'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in another case, I heard of this guy who was beaten to death under mysterious circumstances after digging for evidence of corruption by some judge...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people don't like the sounds of the countryside, they should stay in the city'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if he wanted to raise chickens, he shouldn't have lived there'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't the middle of a city, this rural'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it was suburban'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was rural rezoned suburban'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'suburban enough that he had plenty of neighbors living near enough to be bothered by his smelly loud chickens ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so didn't qualify as a good rural place to raise chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll have to agree to disagree'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, but I'd have the law on my side in the disagreement ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Municipalities do have the right to rezone land, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Usually there are some people who aren't happy about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'usually -> always'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws are corrupted on a weekly basis these days to erode our rights'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And as for kids vs. chickens, that's a hard choice.  At least I could kill the chicken and eat it if it comes into my yard without permission.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was done for the rights of the population'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gotta also realize that this wasn't a farmer who'd had this chicken farm, where people had been living near him and knew to expect it...this was a guy who just decided a couple years ago to get some chickens...and then just kept adding to the numbers until it was rediculous'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or it could have been a farmer kept chickens who had people develop houses around him, and then complained about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it could have been...but it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're his neighbour, are you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he got a couple chickens in 2005'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and later added more, then goats & pigs'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you seem to think you know the situation, what all his neighbors think and how it went down...do you live in georgia now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe he should have moved farther out into the country if he didn't like the town growing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, wait, he couldn't.  He pissed all his money away fighting the city in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or are you the only one who can look into it online, and everyone else isn't credible'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, other people can be credible, just not you'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's ok, nobody was injured or died as a result, were they?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, nobody was injured as a result'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As a result of the city's actions?  Nope.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As a result of the crazy chicken man's actions, fortunately no one else was harmed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but on the bright side, in Indiana you can now blow away a policeman who enters your property against your wishes without a warrant'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if only we had that law in the UK'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was at least responsible enough to call the news van to warn everyone to get the hell away from his property before blowing it up...(curious how you seem to be unsure whether he blew it up or the "invaders" did)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should have at least took some police with him'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wasn't his property ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how could he have a mortgage on the property if it wasn't his?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it used to be his'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, looking into this further, I find that a court did rule in favor of the chicken man, but that the decision was later overturned on appeal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, looks like the city prevailed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so he no longer had a mortgage on the property'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, part of the "appeal/change rules/retry until we get the result we want" approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, no, the lower court was obviously mistaken in its ruling.  That's why appeals exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's nonsense to have a review mechanism in place to ensure that errors are corrected?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it works both ways'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Keep in mind that many civil liberties exist due to verdicts being overturned on appeal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they also get quashed for the same reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, civil liberties are a myth'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'wait, what?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your liberties exist purely at the whim of the ruling elite'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who don't understand issues shouldn't vote on them - yeah?  cattle-people, in a real democracy knowing how things are happening isn't the job of a select few public representatives'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being a politician or a lawyer shouldn't even be a job imo'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments exist to impoverish the population at large'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might not be what they're supposed to do, but it's what they do now'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'you should go find a copy of Entick v Carrington and read it Tigernuts.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most likely, these parties and stuff you can choose from aren't sufficient in a democracy either'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you elect them for a fixed period of time, anything short of a coup d'etat doesn't remove them from their duration, you vote into their party which works against you 99% of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if your local politician doesn't seem like such a bad guy but his boss in ottawa or washington is, then because you think he's not such a bad guy you gave your vote to his 'seat' which counts towards the seat of seats'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd best look at what Obama is doing to your constitutio'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all very shit i figure, like you figure they're all there to impoverish people'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here in the UK we don't have a constitution, so we're creeping towards a police state with no checks or balances'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and exploitation of ignorance, that's cattle-stuff, monkey see monkey do, go with the flow of who went with the flow before you'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and $10 a gallon gas :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right-wing politics is ignorance, left-wing politics wouldn't be as ignorant if people understood stuff, but understanding stuff is denied to most'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right/left wing is irrelevent, both are being controlled by globalists'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like when you hear the market masters and stuff on television telling you about what's really goin on, they hold back and they hide meanings behind all kinds of stuff, often not even saying anything you didn't already know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'today's politics globally acceptable are left-wing fronts/illusions to right-wing systems (ignorance and stuff like that)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like you gotta be a democratic government to be in the UN kind of thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Bilderberg group chose Obama, they rigged the republican elections to choose Romney'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard how sanatorum guy couldn't afford to keep on running against romney's bottomless funding'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from dailymail or something'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he couldn't, but also there was all kinds of voting irregularities and media skullduggery'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm from canada though, we hav ea charter of rights instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't even read it but it doesn't take much of a rocket scientist to see wrong when wrong's present'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's bothering me (whether or not they did their job more or less before) is the job cuts for the governments budget and who they sacrifice to their god to save their money (from taxpayers)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like border guards and stuff, public services, basic things all get the hammer instead of extravagant spendings'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like illegal wars?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if so then yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like full body scanners in airports that don't actually work?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and considering the G-summit, what do they need for that, actually -need-?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a building with some seats and tables in it, maybe a couple rooms on the side for private discussions'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for rent for 5 days'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could put that just about anywhere'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead they lock down toronto and charge the taxpayer over 1 billion dollars'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it all comes from ontario or toronto, but if not well, then that's where people see a problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadian government supposedly hired a wall-street financial advisor (with tax money) to advise the government on how to spend their tax money'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we don't need that or that, this all affecuts us creatly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canadian government policy is probably either heavily influenced by, or possibly even entirely controlled by wall street'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how crooked does it get?  absolute stupidity'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's certainly is'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's is via Europe'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't see any reason why if they're murderers going to send their hitmen sanctionists against countries who tell them to work for their money that they have any say in matters'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are they the blood of caesar or something like that?  squirting moses poles'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes no sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i have to work to get stuff in the world, then so should the earthly god of gods'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd tell that straight to his face too, through his line of bodyguards'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're the kind of people mussolini and hitler wanted to prevent from ruling the future, who knows?  it seems they're pretty all-pervasive today, even playing both sides in armed conflicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know that rockafella and kennedy families funded eugenics research in Germany prior to ww2?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that bothers people, shaping the characteristics of the enemy that world unites against based on what the characteristics of the surviving governments are'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by their actions today they make those two seem like questionable saints'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though they're possibly very evil people, only people who watched them directly know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you believe it, they're all the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, i believe to have power in this world you have to be a very evil person, possibly in service of satan himself directly, (or the worlds idea of god)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it just comes back to a textbook that world leaders have added to and learned from since the beginning of tyranny'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS has bought 650 million rounds of ammunition in the last year'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something brewing over there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they didn't miss so much that'd be nearly 1/7th of the world population, maybe 2/3 if they stack the kills in execution lines like they say they did in the movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rumour has it that they're planning on ending gun ownership and it's a precursor to that'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i didn't hear wrongly too, a JFK speech before becomming president promised to keep black people out of office'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or something similar, i could be wrong though - maybe a error of memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no world leaders in recent history strike me as being saint christ or something like that, not even close'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pittsburgh are to outlaw garage sales'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'speech was about religion and government separation'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he had valid reasons, i don't know, lots of racism around'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're getting a lot of antagonism between classes here in the UK, we don't really do race wars'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government have been stoking it up over austerity and unions and such'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'class-wars are usually diffused with racial allegations, and racism/religion are tools to take their minds off of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in just about every place where a peacemaking religion (like islam claims to be) is the king religion around, they find something else to hate eachother over every time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'christians too, jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well any evil guy can abuse religion and twist it to their own ends'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not hard'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every place has it's wide margin between rich and poor though, except maybe nicaragua and some other 'rogue states', which seem to have politicians aiming at equalizing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was one near there anyways, maybe along the north coast of south america'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the false prophet has to assume power so that a sufficient number of rose petals can be thrown down before the Anti-Christ.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'took almost 90 years for islam to be twisted by muhammed's descendants'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, thing is with having a ultimate ruler anywhere who's say can veto the say of everybody elses, you're left to his flaw-collection, which is always present - and with more ignorance less people understand and more follow - making his flaws much easier to implement'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't agree with heads of state anywhere, unless states are alot smaller'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like cannabis legislation for instance, 49% say yes it's ok, 51% say no, that's a 2% margin of difference, nobody knowing how distributed the yay's and nay's came from, just the number they throw out that makes their decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't matter the numbers, they'd still say no'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll add in a 37% yes, 49% no, 12% grey area'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, cause there's a head of state'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and his little clique of advisors'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that serpent advising the king on lord of the rings'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corrupt advisors who work in wall street :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of waste of flesh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the former US drugs tzar who got busted for his part in a $2bn illegal drugs ring?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the thing about legalizing marijuana, though, is that the people who want that also don't want to pay taxes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit of a sweeping statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying all black people don't want to work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that all jews smell of wee'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't mind paying tax, they just don't like paying high taxes that aren't transparent or fair'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not really.  The margins are the same for each separate group, so it stands to reason that if most of America wants legal weed and most of America wants to pay less taxes then most of America wants lower-taxed legal marijuana.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you buy kippers it will not rain'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are describing a correlation of opinions, not causation'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should apply for a government job'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The establishment already has the economic precedent for highly-taxed carcinogenic product (ie, cigarettes), so if weed goes legal I don't really see it being priced/taxed any different.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, legalising drugs and taxing them according to their fiscal impact is a pragmatic approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'remember, it's all about the money, and the only reason cocaine is illegal is because the government decided to do something about not getting its "fair" share.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, it would be cheaper to legalise Heroine and give it to addicts free of charge and give them a 4star hotel room to live in than continue having it illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'assuming the UK heroine problem is at all similar to the Denmark heroine problem, then Denmark put that notion to bed in the '90s.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''notion'?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there was a short-term lack-of-a-heroin problem in Denmark when the government started handing out safe needles, but then the addicts figured out it was a cheap source of heroin and started telling all their friends.  Denmark had to shut down the program a few years later because it made their heroin problem worse.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did it do to crime rates?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they dropped during that short-term, but as the crackheads figured out how to work the system they went back to their old ways to get around limits.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'portugal is a good example'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'addiction rates didn't drop, since obviously supply was being handled by the government.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the reason you'd do it wouldn't be to reduce addiction rates, it'd be to reduce it's cost to society via crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal#Observations'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice that, at best, drugs use in Portugal didn't go through the roof'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they dind't mention the effect on crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no duh.  Denmark's thinking was along the lines of taking over and thus controlling the trade.  They didn't count on the cleverness of the addicts in getting what they wanted (ie, more drugs).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as a general rule, prohibition doesn't work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, legalization cuts costs /and/ adds new sources of revenue. most pragmatic thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'very, VERY naive way of thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the weight of science and history sides with us here'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, drugs are too dangerous to be left to criminals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most dangerous drugs are alcohol and SSRI's'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both legal'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there will always be a market. we have a choice how to handle that. probation doesn't work nor has it ever worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what kind of limits are included in your proposal?  Or are you planning on your operation forcing addiction rates upwards?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no evidence to suggest it would force addiction rates upwards'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody would be forcing anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dokkar, seriously, read some research papers on legalization'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i would start by decriminalising the taking/possession of drugs, and legalise the selling of the less dangerous ones in licensed premises'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, crippling the black market would be very, very easy'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe sell coke/heroine on license to addicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, those cartels are real pushovers.  They won't try to protect their investments by blowing up the legal venues or running off the customers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'allow small amounts and non-profit distribution for interested individuals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. because that's what totally happened in the netherlands'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh right, Dokkar, so we shouldn't do the right thing incase some bad guys blow us up'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. dokkar is a fuckwit and i'm afk'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coffee time :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no reason to debate with a person who knows dick about the debated issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after providing enough legitimate employment opportunities (which there is plenty of places for, after the external definition of money is revoked) for people to live productive lives if they choose, and providing the support to communities if they want to defend that in the form of military etc or just police, then if they got problems with legalization of stuff they'd be toeing a deadly line'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise there'll always be resistance to whatever can make money, because there's no other way to get it and everything costs it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see differences between most criminals and real criminals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, I'm saying that the cartels are used to their high-profile lifestyles that grew out of protection rackets and taxfree operations.  If you include those people in the process (however politically suicidal that might be), they'll be negotiating terms like spoiled super-celebrity ballplayers.  If you exclude them, they get mad and a new front in the War on Terror comes to the fore (well, depending on when this all goes down; I suppose the mexican bloodbaths will inevitably spread northward).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least your war will be against the bad guys for once'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'women can be bad people too'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'maybe.  The cartels already have a bunch of the good guys on their payroll.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they're in government'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar does it pay well being a corrupt cop?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if there's a problem to fix and people are already killing eachother over problems 10000 miles away then why isn't it being fixed?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not really.  You have to not only do what your employer says (or else!) but you're expected to anticipate what not to do and figure out how to un-inconvenience yourself in the process.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's strange if the corruption doesn't come from the administrative office'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn, so it'd be better to be an astronaut?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending on the individual nature of each part of the problem, teaching people to be wise is nearly impossible though'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'on top of that, it's nonstop political war.  Heaven help you if you offended the wrong person, because these aren't exactly the sue-your-pants-off types of people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar, most mexican cartel men's mothers are fat mexican chicks'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing to avoid with 'cracking down' type of operations is things like the holocaust'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and khmer rouge'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the easiest such people will just blow your head off or maybe horribly maim your family and friends.  The worst ones will whisper lies about you to the bosses, in the hope that the bosses figure they have to step in and take care of business.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monitoring the commanders of people is a must, otherwise they work their flaws into the process'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and then there are the insane types, who just don't care what they do to the family and will go after you even if it means the family declares war on them and theirs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fear of death is counter productive when it comes to social issues, there's no human on earth who's so inhuman he's never going to die for instance and if he causes 10 billion people to die over the course of the next 500 years then he's a pretty negative thing to fear'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people say hate comes from fear, but it's also a consequence of injustice, and hate is productive in that sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's about being wise again, most people vigilante without much thought about it and things like that, people got to snap out of their herd-mentality sooner or later, otherwise they'll never overcome the problems of priority today'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if your herd (race, group) isn't a master-herd it's a slave-herd, and that's the way it'll remain forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in ever degrading conditions, only 'acts of god' like in the bible jehovah sends israel to babylon's worshippers cause they're the better of the two and what goes around comes around'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't got much faith in those things being initiated with ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a job of fathers to provide for their families, and that's done by being a slave to the fathers of others families who can replace you at will and you and your family are lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sealed like the moses tables isn't it, lets see the wealthy fall and their children work for a living'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's against the inner-pride and self-worth of your self to work for them, but you do it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's my lesson on homopsychiatry for the day'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it seems that you're clueless on every topic'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This show is fucking disgusting, talking about test tube babies.  That crap should be illegal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"Hey, we can't conceive, our biology is trying to tell us something!"  Instead of listening, they turn to this IVF bullshit.  No wonder the human race is devolving.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the baby part should be illegal, or the test tube part?  With you, well, it might be an important distinction.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'of course, you're assuming that the human race is the end game.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, designer IVF babies, now with applicator!'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'WORSE, instead of just settling for a run of the mill frankenloaf, they want a CUSTOM DESIGNER frankenloaf.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love humanity's sense of humor. They are determined to destroy the echo-system, but balk at genetic engineering :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And breeders have the gall to call childfree selfish.  Bullshit.  The exact opposite is true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meanwhile, they never even consider adopting a kid that is already here, because they want One Of Our Own(tm).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fucking selfish pigs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you haven't seen nothing yet.  Wait until they start popping out with green hair or permanent tattoos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't mind a few cpu's implanted here and there :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't need to have a kid for that, though.  You can incur all the debt you want just from elective surgery for that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But that wouldn't be the same, Dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They need their Custom Designer Holy Golden Frankenloaf because damn it, nothing is more important than farting out kids, even if the kids' genes are completely defective.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Then the dumb breeder pigs wonder why they wind up with a little Tardlina.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And then the tax payers get to foot the bill for Tardlina's special ed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There should be a way to opt out of having to pay for this kind of crap, along with welfare for breeder whores and other trash folk.  No way I'd let a single dollar of mine go towards any of that if I had any control over it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I already refuse to donate to any sort of 'children' charities (really breeder welfare whore charities), but I want to take it a step farther.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the way to avoid in the future any special ed humans, is to make sure they don't breed. At least, that's how it worked for millions of years before we decided to fix what wasn't broken.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But Anaristos, farting out a loaf is a RIGHT, haven't you heard??? It doesn't matter if you genes are completely fucked up and should be weeded out of the population, you have a right to SHIT THAT FRANKENLOAF.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't make sense to me that the fundies and similar types want to wage a holy roller war on abortion, but they have no objection to playing God and creating life that, by all rights, was not meant to exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'star, what about just cloning the rich.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that'd make more sense that encouraging the lower and middle class to exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what I meant by fixing what wasn't broken, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it's not supposed to make sense, starling.  it's supposed to make dollars.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they are 'fixing' what IS broken.  Except they aren't really fixing it, they're allowing defective and unworthy genes to propagate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, to change the subject, what kind of Scotch whisky do you all like?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Glenfiddich'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I like the Islay and Islay-style whiskies.  Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Lagavulin, Talisker'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can accept that with no problem :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am partial to Laphroaig also, but prefer Glenfiddich :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'pretty much anything 15 yrs or older, generally single malts, but there's not much wrong with johnny walker blue.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I really wanted to get the Laphroaig 18 year tonight, but at 100 bucks a bottle, ouch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Martini & Tyebald, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'macallan (sp?) 15yr. is a favorite.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, Johnnie blue is overrated'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think Johnnie Green is better, honestly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'springbank's tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Too bad Johnnie Green is being discontinued :('
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'green....I'm unfamiliar.  red, black, gold, blue....how old is the green?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The Green Label is aged 15 years'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a blend of single malts only, mainly Talisker, Cragganmore, Linkwood, and Caol Ila'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I'll have to look for a bottle.  I have a friend in distribution.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a really good blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'my aunt is a staunch fan of laphroig.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a bad choice :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I get a little too much medicine off it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I tried the Talisker after trying Green, and you can definitely pick out Talisker's contribution to the Green Label blend.  Both quite nice.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you tried Glenfiddich?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, Glenfiddich is alright, but I've only tried the 12 year old variety.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I wouldn't kick glenfiddich out of bed.  I like it better than glenmorangie.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it comes in 18y too'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I picked up my first bottle of Laphroaig on a whim, had no idea what it would be like.  Tried it and was in love with it :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can't hardly go wrong with single malts :) Though I wouldn't kick out a good blend out of bed :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'come to think of it, I have some balvenie samplers I should try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Admittedly it has been a while since I've had Glenfiddich.  I don't ever recall NOT liking it, will have to re-vist'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 're-visit, even'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm drinking a $20 bottle of Teacher's Highland Cream right now, it's surprisingly good.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I have a full bottle of the glenfiddich 18 behind me.  but I think the evening's storm calls for a new scotch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'someone gave me a bottle of the 18y 6 years ago for my birthday. Haven't opened it yet :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FYI, scotch doesn't improve or age in the bottle, unlike wines'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true enough but the idea is compelling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am just looking for good company, that's why I've left it sealed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no toga party for that bottle.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'tonight's selection looks like it will be the balvenie 21 yr, port wood.  I'm generally not a huge fan of the port woods.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, and if you open it, you have to finish it sooner rather than later, oxygen is no friend of whisky'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, so enough company is required so that someone doesn't drink enough that their system might reject it :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'man....this is a damn sight better than the glenmorangie.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aha, you tried it!'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'yes.  this will work nicely.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How would you describe it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'well, tough to say.  not really my strong point, but I'll give it a whirl.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'd rather have a nice irish type -b'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'doesn't have the sharpness of the 18s.  dunno about you, but I find the 18s pick up an "edge".'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'with the glenmorangie, seemed like the port took over the flavor.  this is much smoother.  almost like a wine-flavored scotch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dry or sweet wine?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '(I go for dry reds)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'this would be more like a dry red.  like chewing on the dregs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Interesting'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'but no bitterness.  I'd assume actually chewing on the dregs would be unpleasant. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How much did that bottle cost, if you don't mind my asking'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'well, this was just a sampler.  got a 12, 15, and this 21 in the box.  fiance buys those, and then I pick my favorites.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'sampler runs something like $15, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm pleased with this Teacher's Highland Cream'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's apparently 45+ percent malt whisky, which I guess is a lot for a blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ardmore and Glenmorangie are the principal single malts... I haven't had either of them on their own, apparently they're nothing to write home about but when blended they seem to work well.  Pretty smooth too, considering the price point'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sort of a poor man's Johnnie Walker Green, the flavor is very similar.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'that green is definitely one I want to try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried asking mimir already, but does anyone else remember in the bible where rachel's dad made jacob swear before his household gods? '
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I remember Rachel pimping Jacob on her maid :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos no no that wasnt jacob.... that was sarah.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos jacob was the dude that made soup .'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not Sarah. It was Jacob. That's how Benjamin was born.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like, the original soup nazi.... he handed out the law to the entire nation of israel remember'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rachel had becom barren'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos um, i thought it was that old dude and sarah that wanted a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you sure? i thought it was abraham that did it with the maid'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of people in the bible wanted kids. That was their favorite sport :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah. '
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, Abraham pimped his wife to Nabukodonosor'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos its a shame that back then they didnt have the sacrament of marriage and had to take more than one woman to bed =('
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos really? but in the movie it was a pharoah , not a babylonian king'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i thought nebuchadnezzar hung with daniel.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Yes, I know what you mean. I would have suffered immensely had I lived under such laws :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the fact is that women were not very highly regarded during biblical times.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos then again, divorce wasn't a sin back then'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos they're still not, in order for women to get ahead, they still have to become sex objects.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true enough, but I don't think that nowadays a man would throw a woman into a crowd hoping that they would leave him alone. Escaping from the crowd would not actually save his skin :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'They certainly had different "morals" back then. Take the daughters of Lot, after they lost their mother, while fleeing from the fire, they got their father drunk and seduced him :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'knowing how to run 3 miles would. mobs always have been very much lazy, ignorant, and prone to defending only territorial zones'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmmn. lag...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, this instance, there was no room to run, they were in a house, and the crowd was outside :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos women today still do the same thing... whatever gets them the most status and money. what do you contend has changed'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, here is the reference: Judges 19:10-30'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos sorry, i dont like judges, too much idolatry.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'besides, wine back then usually contained animal blood, dont ya know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it never occurred to me that it did :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tch. going through eternity with your eyes wide shut eh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that a quote?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'doubtful.'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Merriam-Webster also upholds the fantasy that "hopefully, it will rain" is a grammatically correct exprssion, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(from tech) "a full-reboot every-session or only on: new-plugin or new-bast-update or any-update" -- chronic ambiguity is a form of illiteracy, or indications of a corrupt jurisprudence and corrupt rulers (prior or current)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"a drunk sailor" is a possibly active rowdy sailor; "a drunken sailor" is more likely to describe an inactive near-comotose sailor; thus "drunken" is more inebriated than "drunk"'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the above connotations may spring from:  "drunk" is (seemingly) transitive active (rowdy); "drunken" is seemingly intransitive inactive (comotose)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'do not let the illiterate esl foreigners with a crappy dictionary ruin the varied language of text descriptions. (there is more to a language than what is in an incomplete dictionary)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a Larousse French-English dictionary (isbn 2-03-451201-4) contains mistakes on the English side'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(that is what happens when the french use esl or illiterates to proofread the english side of a French-English dictionary -- illiterate mistakes))'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to verb (v) to verbify, to use a nonverb as a verb'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to adjective (v) to adjectify, to use a nonadjective as an adjective'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'verbing weirds language.'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'H P Lovecraft was "drunken" with innovation'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"words mean what i pay them to mean" - Humpty Dumpty'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Lewis Carroll predated H P Lovecraft'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Obama will win, and our civil liberties will continue to go down the toilet, just like if we vote for Romney'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, vote for someone else then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, sure, we want the republicans so that they can implement the SMART ID :) Then we won't to worry about our waning civil liberties because we won't have any :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'moron'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We all conform to a beaureacratic pile of sh!t. We're all the fools, Republican or Democratic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point, it doesn't matter who takes office, civil liberties are a passing fad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you tried boarding a plane lately?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it matters.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, how does it feel to get your ass publicly kicked on the typos board?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and let's not forget Guantanamo :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sweetheart, it didn't bother me at all. For one thing, I didn't know that it was a competition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It didn't bother you at all?  Is that why you sent my spouse a vitriol-laden tell, and told me to pour acid in my cunt?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I sent him that simply because I don't like him.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't believe you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry I said that to you, Starling. Truly, I am.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What you have to realize is that a loss of civil liberties is a consequence of the US foreign politics. If you want change, you need to stop fighting wars all over the world and try to be nice to people, otherwise you will get terrorism and loss of freedom. It's just the way the world works.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a nice theory, Ranarr. But no government, has ever given back anything they have taken away from the people. Even if the US stops the wars, they won't roll back the policies that deteriorate civil liberties.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will stick their fingers in you each time you board a plane, they will continue to listen to your phone conversations, they will try to implement ways to track you, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, if you elect the same government. Don't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the person in the office won't matter.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Change is possible. Just look at the roman empire.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you think your civil liberties are they way they are now because of Obama, you have a very short memory.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was Bush who implemented Homeland security, which is the seed to the US branch of the KGB :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it was Bush who implemented the legal fiction called "domestic terrorist". A very effective way to wipe out your civil rights. And it was during Nixon's admin that the RICO act was enacted. Another way to wipe your civil rights away.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say the the democrats won't screw you, but the point is that they will all screw you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, during the Clinton admin a law was passed making it illegal to have encryption keys that the government couldn't break.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read the US Cryptography Policy of 1996.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh for fuck's sake, this "autism speaks" commercial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'AWWWWWWTIZUM does NOT EXIST'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scientists claim margarine can make you angry'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and nauseous, too :) '
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you doing to prepare for the fall of society?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'still enjoying its summer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoying the summer in April?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'don't impose your neo fascist seasonist platitudes on me!'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it moral to apply for government funded housing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it fair judgement to scale politicians housing allowances with costs of living but leave social assistance plans and minimum wage static?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it costs a million billions to rent a house per month in town then they're set but millions of people are sewer rats'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not too shy about fuckin around, 45,000 dollar baseball trips and 90,000 dollar helicopter rides'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all neccessary expenses like a 20 billion dollar g-meeting'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with corporate tax cuts getting the neccessary campaign funding through side projects and stuff, is bailing out privately owned companies and banks a surefire way to make more money?  here's some tax money to bail you out and some tax cuts to make sure that you're making it back by paying it back'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, job employments and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why not disintegrate them and make some new ones?  smaller so there's less cons to slay'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so americanada opposessed southcentral american desire to legalize and legislate drugs to combat their profit margin driving the highest homicide rates in the world, while they're concerned mostly about selling canada like a whore to foreign pimps, the slot machines to foreign casino's'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, who gets the most money down there isn't linked to the highest murder rates investing in canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smart americanadadian politicians so loyal patriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and streamlining the environmental disaster prevention consideration process to give less hinderance to the people who turn it into a tarball'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'politicians can campaign on that stuff, the honest age of corruption call it, we're not two faced, we're just backwards'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with all the laws they break daily, i wonder how many laws have any right to exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how would increasing tax for the higher income earners and distributing 100% of the increased revenue affect inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'distributing the extra revenue to the poor in the form of handouts i meant'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, if the poor are getting a handout, why should I as an employer give them raises or benefits?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'same reason you'd ever give them raises or benefits: to hold on to talented employees in a competitive market.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i expect income to be sticky anyway, but any effects on inflation you guys think?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'or, you can hope they don't leave.  those are your two choices.  has nothing to do with other sources of income.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'employers drserve to b taxed at a far higher rate when depending on the government giving out handouts to supplement the income of the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'employers deserve to be taxed at a far higher rate when depending on the government giving out handouts to supplement the income of the poor employees'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: '"deserve"? "higher"?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most workers are not that valuable, actually, and in today's market the measurement of "valuable" has changed significantly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and maybe some jail-time for cruel greedy heartless employers'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'which doesn't change the motivation behind giving raises.  choosing to see your employees as interchangeable cogs is a business decision.  some businesses are successful adopting that model, others aren't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, having a degree is actually a bit of a hindrance because all your employer is going to see (barring a real need for an improvement in the quality of their employee rolls) is extra dollar-signs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'no comments on inflation eh...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything is tied to everything else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if raises were given for merit rather than for longevity...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inflaTion is caused by greedy businesses raising prices'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, no it's not'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'there are other factors like the increase of money supply'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heheh, yes, is, a fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i know there will be inflation if the goverment gives out a bunch of money, but what happens if they also increase taxes by the same amount'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we stop spending'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'relative to the level of increase, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i was hoping not to bring in MPC or MPS, but say there's only two people in the whole country, you taxed one $100 more and give the other $100 for free'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'does any of this affect inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are plenty of monies -- but the rich (and businesses) are siphoning and storing those monies while refusing to pay proper wages and taxes'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sure.  The one you take the money from stops working, hoping to become the next guy you give the next $100 to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'if the taxed guy was the owner of the business and the other guy his sole employee?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of medicine is high because extortion is involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the banks were bailed out because extortion was involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i don't see how this is related to inflation'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of legal fees is high because desperation and extortion is involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'and the original quesyion'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'inflation is not external to the rest of the economy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'what do you mean Dokkar?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would expect a small increase in inflation, since velocity of money is lower for higher income people on average'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anything that affects the production sector of your economy will impact the consumption sector as well.  Taxes go up, the producers will start to save more and spend less.  With them spending less, the consumers earn less and therefore cannot spend as much as they too have to follow the same rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'ah, thanks Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another way to think about it is that a transfer from high to low income groups has a stimulatory effect'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a nutshell: rich people save more per dollar of income than poor people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'we're saying that the mps for higher income groups are higher then the lower income groups eh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'got it'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mps == miles per second  '
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'though in the past, that "saved" money was supposed to be redistributed into investments via bank lending.  but then they screwed up the liquidity of the markets, so we're dealing with the backlash of the recalibration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'marginal propensity to save here'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you are going to shift a significant amount of funds around, you aren't going to see better results without outright forgetting about the existing debt that saddles most of your base.  If you don't, then the lower-income folk are really just "wasting" the windfall on debt reduction and not actually improving their buying power much/at all.  This puts government in a position where it thinks it has to artificially stimulate the economy (since the perception is that we're not spending by choice)'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'according to some theories it "shouldn't" make a difference because of lending, but in reality deposits aren't instantly lent.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'agreed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'which is why most economists really need to get out more. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where are all thse trillions of dollars sitting, and what are they doing'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's important is how long that dollar takes on average to get spent on a final good or service, and there's definitely a difference between poor and rich there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one day it might actually make economic sense to raise rates (inflate), and when that day comes lots of people are going to become screwed.  At best, they'll simply not be able to buy stuff.  At worst, we go through a smaller version of the 2008 meltdown as %60 of the economy finds themselves underwater again.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I like to think of progressive taxation as taking oil from places in the economic machine that has plenty, and putting it where there's too little'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if those trillions of dollars are sitting expecting to earn high interest, than that is a big parasitic load on the system'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raising rates is anti-inflationary'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'if you raise rates you don't get more inflation'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but lower inflation is worse for debt holders, if that's what you were trying to say...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'debtors, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'lower inflation is bad for borrowers'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're being kept in safe reserves because the great economic thinkers still think something bad is going to happen that might leave everyone in the lurch again.  Not necessarily in such a degree as the meltdown, but enough that enough profitability goes out the window to knock lots of employers out of position for growth.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'low rates are good for deleveraging, since it tends to be inflationary'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kanmuru Kirua is agreeing with that Sonshi person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the current "derivatives" system, the trillions of dollars are likely earning from virtual derivatives, adding extra layers of interest expectation -- somewhere at the base of the derivatives economy, some production is being done .. maybe.  And that ?actual? production also wants a return on investment  -- but with derivatives upon derivatives upon derivatives, the interest return expectation is extremely usorious parasitic'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Ooh, calculus.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'low rates are also good for employment rates most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raising rates in a situation like this is somewat amusing... you wind up paying more interest, you get inflation even more below target, the economy takes a hit...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the derivatives upon derivatives economy is screwing the actual economy'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'tulipmania all over again'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the market would fight you every step of the way, since what it really wants to do is to push rates as far down as it can'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad example, Dokkar '
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with scant yields elsewhere, piling into govt bonds and the like is pretty popular'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how ingrained in american government is the bohemian grove and other occult societies?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, any thoughts on the breivik trial so far?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think of national socialism?  is it evil cause of the perfection of the flesh generalized human adequacy factor, or is that present in just about everywhere in the world today without whatever good points it has?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems they have some fair idea's, like dismantling large private industry and giving everybody a fair chance, but racism and things was added to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't separate the physical aspects of national socialism from the abstract'sk, as you see they refer to it as nazi and with nazi genocide comes to mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you look through what it's about it's not all racially motivated or about physical perfection'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with russia's crimes moving into poland before the war started numbering in the 20 millions of civilian homicides, it's questionable whether the nazi genocides were the sole reason tehy went to war'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead the seizure of foreign investment and independence of germany'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this can be seen today in the news, where argentina is nationalizing it's oil industries and spain is discussing with colombia and mexico about it, because that's one of its oil revenues'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're going to attempt to make wars by proxy'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't care much about human rights in any governments around, or justice, just saying that's what makes people who think that think it's a valid thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there is more than racism and perfection therein to national socialism'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's all they say it's about, while ignoring the parts of it that they worldwide oppose to this day that aren't anything to do with corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe there's other systems beyond national socialism that do the same thing without racism that they can refer to, but then it'd probably be present somewhere right?  and we see what a similar presence results in argentina from the news'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '<negatives> <virtues> we'll defend against the latter with the former, and that's what they do'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of separating the politics that are not ordering you to kill people out of racial or other bias from the ones that are and trying to explain why they came to that conclusion and what they could have done differently'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then people who think things should be different who try to identify with a enemy that the world united against, the world that currently exists and they hate, they would have different points to consider instead of the big whole'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well i think the world sucks but i don't like being racist, but it says here that you have to be racist to be against what it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what drives poverty's youth in russia to nazi groups who do hate crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their leaders say this is what the enemy of this trash that made you poor did, so lets do the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but weighing the odds it appears that the hate-crimes they do aren't even what started the war in the first place, but they were a contributing factor that people thought about, instead it was, like argentina's spanish enemy, a front for the sheriff who wants his free money'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, since the information of the reality that caused the war, a political philosophy versus a genocide, isn't taught separate from the murder that was added to it, people don't have much of a choice'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was genocide, then holodomor and great purge moving into poland would have resulted in a war beforeo the nazi's started genocide'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's russia reportedly murdering over 20 million people through starvation and brutality'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to some people it's even possible that the whole thing was an elaborate propaganda campaign by america and russia, who perpetrated the results themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'anyone ever hear of space elevators?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'i hope we get to see them in our lifetime'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that won't be possible until we clean up the space junk AND figure out a way to deflect anything left up there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything up there's travelling at like 1100mph or something stupidly fast like that, so even a single quarter-inch ball bearing would rip through you like a .50-caliber bullet.'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'and then ud be a 1100 mph puddle '
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about 15-17 years ago a white guy about 13 miles from here killed his wife by driving a car through the front of his house and doing something then burning it down, stashing evidence in his tractor - whatever she did (most likely adultery) that cause him to do it, he got 25+ years in prison from what i remember , http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/17/ethnicity-killings-provocation-shafia.html here's muslims in canada claiming that because they're muslims they get harsher sentences than non-muslims for their honour killings, but i don't hear of as many regular killings of people compared to honour killings in the news, and usually those ones don't use their holy-writ as a guideline to their actions'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why are they saying what's not is, are they trying to streamline the honor murder killings process like everything else using their faith as a ticket to commit crimes with impunity, or is it something else?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'honour killings aren't specific for muslims, and proper Islam does not support it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was king kong of canada i would probably be asking these questions with the evident evidence, and possibly considering who's trying to change the laws based on their religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so it's a branch of it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only muslims who follow a corrupted branch of Sharia condone it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh invokes "No True Scotsman"...
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing that i considered was that, possibly, the people getting killed in some of these situations were thought untrustworthy by their families of religious-extremists and killed so they couldn't talk of their groups plans'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you'll also see honour killings in other faiths, most commonly Sikhs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which could be used to reason out why they'd want the criminals to spend less time in prison as a faith-group'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since they're so loyal and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they look into those possibilities though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that kind of activities they do don't seem like something they couldn't have done back where they migrated from'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never had kids of my own, but i killed things before (not people), and i wonder just what it takes for somebody to consume any amount of drugs or alcohol to kill somebody, what kind of religion could do it while sober?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video of a 5-7 year old kid chanting verses from the book, i'm not sure if he even understood what he chanted but he chanted it, maybe he does'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm no immigration officer, but i imagine if i was going to move into china or britain i'd have to pass some character examination tests, and how could they have passed them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them don't even speak english, and 10 years later they still don't'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'would you please recite the quran backwards for the court to show that you aren't crazy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't go there, that's the ultimate of ultimates'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Amen all you with be Christ Jesus Lord our of grace the!'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism those things there aren't all bad, but unconditional equality of opportunity (with the racism was bad, and treatment of those it considered inferior), if they would have let people do according to their means (stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent ) then if you're a poor genius you'd still be able to succeed in the world, if those racisms and stuff weren't there and judgement of imperfect people onto yourself - each according to their ability, cause everybody can be useful.  --  but if it's like they say then it deteriorated into the same thing people hate today, they reject the virtues that gave their movement life actively in the current world and claim that the negatives were all the were about (which might have been the cas'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'e with some of them'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i notice that spain claims to have a socialist party, and also a 24% unemployment rate, and plenty of big businesses, which goes against the parts of that socialism there that weren't all negative'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism doesn't exist outside of north korea'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that communism?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're largely the same thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could be right, they sure looked strange on a documentary i watched'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their merit systems and stuff, they do pamper some of their members'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately socialism is not compatible with capitalism'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things could be done differently is what i'm saying, as long as they're open to being changed for the better - i don't think the nazi's would have gotten very far at all if they had absolutely no virtues '
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but we'll work hard to try to make it fit :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're headed for global tyranny'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's true that in history they talk of armies of mercenaries who don't want to do anything but rob and steal have been successful though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are being routinely bypassed now'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to pay for socialism without capitalism, and capitalism without enough socialism will fall apart eventually. The fates of both lie in the same direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, failure'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'differing political ideologies didn't insulate european countries from being effectively annexed by global bankers'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, in the bible it does say that 'it is more profitable that one should die so that many can live', in capitalism they worship the one and many die, in a fair-er kind of socialism there'd be no untouchable member of society that causes mass-death for his own wealth, because the opportunity to be equalled by several others who could do his work would be present'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you've got liberties being eroded and governments preparing for trouble'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it is sort of superior in that way, i think'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is superior'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either in terms of morality or efficacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't acknowledge the authority of global bankers over real countries'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me money's a tool for slaves managed by the government, and only real-things are what's traded between countries'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the management was given to your global bankers'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'argentina's sort of telling global bankers to shove off, so spain's talking to colombia and mexico about argentina cause argentina was one of it's revenue's, maybe gonna try to make war covertly or actively because their free money is missing (they nationalize oil, cause it's seen as a critical resource, using the money owing to clean up the messy companies mess)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that about argentina'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, not entirely convinced on that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17740393 this one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i read it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just unsure of the behind the scenes stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i can see the con possibilities about it too if that's whaty ou see'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh agrees!
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the way they put it resembles tellin them to shove off'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bugger all spain can do about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's behind it will be illuminated by how it pans out'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing strange about the wikipedia article on the nazi's, is that they say they changed that more benevolent and sense-making 1930's campaign to anti-semitism and removing it's boundaries around the 1940's to get the support of multinational? industrialists'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you've got hitler slipping into syphalis-induced madness'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before then it doesn't seem to indicate their extreme racism and things were much of a problem - so who were these multinational industries who told them to change their beliefs afterwards?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism just reading it it seems that there was some external force at work there'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Mostly old guildsmen, industrialists, and anti-integration monarchs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are movements going on from the late 19th century that could explain the shift'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also were at work in the US'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you ended up with the federal reserve'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Remember that the previous generation was still kicking around and still heavily anti-integrational/anti-true-socialist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, as you know, (or maybe not) is essentially a privately owned bank'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Russia had a similar problem with the Whites and Decemberists vs the Reds'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's a real shame, true nationalism/fascism was meant to be highly inclusive not exclusive, calling all to a single banner and so forth, but industrialists and artists (ie futurists) and postmodern ecologists got everyone worked into a frenzy over eugenics and jews.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the eugenics is still going on'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill gates is making sure of that'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the drugs companies'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and Jobs, too.  His cancerous demise was media spin, to cover up the assassination.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to see why the establishment would have wanted him dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read a 1917 ? supposed interview between an american serviceman and lenin from russia from a university website, and it seemed like lenin had some fair idea's for his people, transparency in business and things like that, but he was forced to change his philosophy because he didn't have enough russian professionals able to manage some businesses in his country and america was against his ideas'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unelss he wasn't on the inside'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I have high hopes that the more modernist nationalists will return to their 1700s roots however as that generation finally begins dying out. I am roughly 85% behind the DVU because they're beginning to dissociate themselves from the wacko thugs (who are too dumb to realise they are the new SA and will probably wind up the same way)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, if that's how it is then there's a external force challenging whatever virtues a politician has 20 years earlier'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is the dvu?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they didn't.  But it looks bad when your golden boy gets taken out from under you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Deutsche Volksunion'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, germany, where being nationalist is illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting like that in UK and USA too'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yeah, funny that. Considering they are the youngest of the recognised nations technically.  (as in actually being united)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ridiculous attack on freedom of speech/thought. If they can't defeat an idea by debating it, then they've already lost the argument'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'essentially any sound bites you see come from them that are antisemitic are only to win seats in poor broke-ass districts now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis a power grab, crush descent'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the world makes a stink about it but it's actually not that different than normally moderate/progressive american republicans ranting about gays and california when they visit the south, which gets a free pass 'because it's our religion!''
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you realise that the anti-gay stuff and racist stuff in america is all being inflamed by the government...'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing is happening in the UK, except it's class warfare rather than race'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/18/pol-kenney-entrepreneurs-start-up.html if canadian's have idea's they often can't pursue them though, this is the kind of 'streamlined betrayal' that's becomming normal in canada, how some people see it around the world in their own countries anyway, importing people to do work while politicians claim to be creating job opportunities for people already here with their next move - instead of lowering education costs and investing in it's own people's ability to pursue them'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in my opinion people already in a place should have the pick of the job's'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '17-34 million dollars sent to wall street to tell canada how to spend it's budget for the year for instance, that's several professional's trained in a canadian university'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd heard about that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only after realizing that people don't do the work cause they're lazy and don't want to should immigration for the purpose of doing work that nobody else would do be considered, normal immigration and stuff is fine though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Debate channel would be better if there was a forum for it ; in this way discussions wouldn't rely on "who's online"(timezones)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just join infowars.com instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'aren't discussion boards plagued by trolls/spammers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not always'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'will do then...'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ally-channels may work if there were many separate Ally-channels (each clan sources an Ally channel, and invites others), each a full equivalence-set -- then "diplomatic" conversation requires knowing to not leak secrets onto the wrong Ally channel ... Aardwolf IRC'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'That's all you need is to be sharing pictures of the other guild leader's giant fat ass you found by jailbreaking his phone and paste them in a message to his guild!'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'also in regards to luminas note... lasher isnt a feture so your pick is invalid >_>'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I love how racism can be celebrated in America and NOBODY gets mad about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the REAL American dream, being able to usurp bad ideas and turn them into great ones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not the gear i got from him, some were ok but not all max dr at least'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing big deal, just askin if any were willing'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is the best movie for xping?'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'music is better'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure about movies, but marduk has a song called the levelling dust that i like'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i'd go crazy listening to music and xping the same time'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'dumb documentaries from History channel are the best.. mix well'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Porn is the source of all technological innovation. Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sex and greed more like but close '
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, quiet channel toady'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is your right, though that view wouldn't agree with scientific evidence'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i think the bright yellow and red makes the channel LOUD'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeing more organised civil disobedience in the UK'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'what are they protesting?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I noticed occupy Edinburgh isn't around anymore. :('
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'occupy movements never tend to work as people need to eat'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah, Edinburgh didn't have near the infrastructure they do in the states.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they work if someone supplies them.  Without infrastructure, any movement is doomed to fail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i kinda would like the NWO to have their gigantic war'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'well also they weren't fighting anything real, so there was nothing to feed the flame'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, that's just not true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the entire Occupy nation fails to realize this, and historically they've not been able to accomplish much.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will flare first, israel vs iran, india vs china, or china vs russia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'They have clear targets, such as orrupt banks. And they actually directly protest against them. People just don't pay close enough attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally reckon we all have about 20 years to get ourselves land and settled'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'china v. russia already happened, didn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'well compare that to a war, or a specific person'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Occupy movement requires to go anti-Republican and vote more'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think any of the issues have to do with left vs right, then you miss the point'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another alternative is to infiltrate the Republican party and support socialist candidates in the primaries and vote Democrat in the elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't want socialists, that's how the NWO co-opted europe'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all we can be sure of is that in 20 years, the US is occyping some country in the middle east. Maybe iran this time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do not want republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Republicans are so bad. They don't understand economics.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do not want Romney :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand economics no worse than democrats'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'like it really matter who is elected.  they are all puppets to the lobbyists and special interests anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows before Slethrin.
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'they will do nothing they promise to do as usual etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides are slaves to the global megabanks'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Europe are now finding out'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans beileve in "socialism" taxcuts and handouts for the rich but not for the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, that is the most important truth. Everyone is getting fucked by the same global organizations.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all republicans think that'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they believe generally in low-no taxation and small state'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'its not even up to the president anyways.  its whoever has the majority in the senate/house'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans beileve in "socialism" taxcuts and handouts for the rich but not for the middle classes (the middle class in the USA is dying)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong slethrin'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'for example obama tried to pass things, but got blocked time and agai'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you miss the bit where Obama late on the evening of the St Patricks Day holiday shoved through presidential orders giving him the ability to declare martial law and seize all manner of powers without congress involved?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'That's very true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then please make sure that CISPA gets blocked'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Slethrin is still correct. That isn't to say Obama is a saint.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll probably see  Obama taking you guys to war against the wishes of, or without the consent of Congress'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'yeah it would not surprise me if they cooked up some war as an excuse to keep obama in office'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't think there were actual threats in Iraq or Afghanistan, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a big excuse to pass draconian anti-liberty laws'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what GW Bush did, let 9-11 happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just about every president since Johnson has forced Congress to declare war after the fact at least once during the term.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'of course not, and donteven get me started on 911'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'What is sad is that Obama doesn't even need it with the crackpot Repub candidates they have running. '
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find that the whole republican vs democrat things is a smokescreen'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'last I checked, Obama was losing.  Did he gain the lead again?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like the nobel peace price back from Obama, thanks, he didn't fullfill any of the promises that price was based on. Ok?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'yeah he did nothing, not even end the war'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'There is nothing like winning yet. It isn't close enough to elections. All you have are 'approval ratings' which tell you nothing about the actual election.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'approval rating of either would be shocking'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, he's probably the best US president in decades, but he's still a crook.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'who knows whattricks they have up their sleeve.  not like they will play fair'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the (repubican) criminal mobs and moles may be rigging the elections in the USA -- a lot of election fraud in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama is too much like Grant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they rigged the republican candidancy'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'but my theory on opbama is, he is a secretrepublican.. MEANT to be a lame duck, to show that democrats suck.  thats his whole purpose'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'he was never meant to be a ood president'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, rigged elections are typical in young countries that haven't had democracy for long.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was supposed to be palatable because he's black(ish)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'its just the opposite imo.  look how much a black demo failed, goes to show you should elect old white repubs'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is, i need to work out how to make budesonide'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure here '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think this is the chann for this '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean this chan ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(answer) "(straight) strait is the path and narrow is the way that leadeth to .. something"  "wide is the road that leads to hell"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i kill the first one to quote pascal'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the curse of the average occult student is gulability - I tend to agree '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a pascal quote ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'that thing people quote when they wish to justify nonsense ... i refuse to repeat it'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pascal's fearmongering quote, urging the cowardly to believe in false gods just in case the false god in not false'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'not dat'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok just read pascal will add the whole ultimate lie of Satan not being true to the basket - waste paper basket'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pascal's fearmongering quote, urging the cowardly to believe in a christian god just in case the false christian god is not false'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'posit a "truth" Thinkon?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a (cowardly) safety ploy'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deathbed repentance .. yeah yeah explored .. '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if "explored", you are supposed to be dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think "ritual magic does not work" was the current tabled item - and yes I am dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'ok just to assuage curiosity ... the heart has its reasons blah blah of which reason knows nothing blah blah ... (commits suicide as he promised to kill the first one to quote it)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol the Disney theory ! romantisicm in it's most banal form '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'aka the waft hippy mantra'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was a horrid misquote/paraphrase of "the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'manifest in the "lets pick n choose truths" Wiccan ideal ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'pascal was a fideist after all'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fideist ? u gonna make me read again aren't u '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and rather more clever than most of those who use the quote to cover the holes in their arguments'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law" -- paraphrased Crowley's Thelma's law '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Simper Fido"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'love and the law ? I used to go out with one of those freaks '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'surely crowley was just a fairly typical wannabe cult leader ... wanting to be though wise and get shagged a lot?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rather that a pissing contest - "ritual magic does not work" - is that even defendable ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't forget the opium .. '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Crowley authored several gaudy books'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'let's get a chicken'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think Dad has Book 4 around - some good tips for meditation '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so - ritual magic - myth busted ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'let's all just be nice and agree to give up the silly magic and charlatanism and go read some proper philosophy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm start with Kant ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'wrote my disertation on him funnily enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the defect with Crowley's spells and rituals is the difficulty of obtaining and using Laudenum (at least legally)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'then enlighten us plebs ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Laudenum == opiates'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'subjective/objective truths  pertanent ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'the point is that i am no more enlightened than anyone else ... it aint magc ... you can read it same as me'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'claiming to know the ANSWER is usually how you spot the charlatan ... especially if they claim some privileged access'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm we could decend into suggestion - yes even advertising/drugs '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"i know sonm of the answers, but you perverts are not worthy" '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'most incoherent debate ever.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just read the Bible and do what the LORD Sky Daddy says.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"cast not pearls before swine"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah if you knew where I was youd understand :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'you guys are failing the turing test'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guess your mom isn't getting any pearls'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the answer objective ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice plae to start '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'that begs a question'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'turing test ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i want to know where you are now'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and yes this is incoherent'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'fish'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'blue, rhinoceros, triangle.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so long and thanks ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OOOO! we have a Mac plus with ELIZA on it !'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'debate 42'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'charlatan!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like youe soft edge .. not sure it gets us anywhere - and I'm currently at the pleasure of Oz mental facilities ..'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i imagine a warm soft kangaroo pouch somehow'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, that's perverted!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imagine they still use Thorazine Largactal is called here'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and they encourage internet fantasy games? intriguing'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just transfered - I get lappy for 2 hours a night'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'b4 this snuck out on reception puter n b4 that was a 1st year uni student - ain't life grand '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you tarded?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '137 tard'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling goes, "OK".
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: '?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Australia seems a barbaric country where censorship yet reigns'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i never thought of visiting ... always imagined my hatred of sport and being called 'mate' sort of ruled it out'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '137stanfordbinet and we just sell china the shit they will use to take over the world  :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'great place to visit if you are rich and low profile'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'always fond of dame edna though'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bleh'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol stay away then!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'too much '70's UK telly'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'les patterson was a famous rabble rouser b4 his alt- like a paris hilton without the tape '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I kind of want to go to Australia for work, but my GF doesn't want me to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Paris Hilton is pretty and from a rich family'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'you wouldn't want a tape surely?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mining here pays good - apparently Iraq- Afganistan pays better n yanks get huge tax breaks in the mid east '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'paris is preatty ?!!?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on your taste'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "sex-tape" was a "stepping stone"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not that way inclined - Hex from GoodGame  I'd turn for - next time I dye my hair is gonna be like hers '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suckker fer dimples too :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Paris Hilton altered her facial features slightly several times to be more photogenic'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/about/hex.htm                                                  trumps plastic - but with blue highlights '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'this debate started at ritual magic and now reaches paris hilton ... hmm ... what do we learn?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again- posit a theory ? big Kant man ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i waft my categorical imperative in your general direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which "categorical imperative" ((doubt) if you even know of one or what that means)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hitchhikers ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'monty python - grr yall have years on me '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'yes i am indeed verrrrrrrrrrrrrry old'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but ingeneral deb insane morons you get paris ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is she still in the media loop ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '45 min left :('
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just reading on kant - guy was stuck on a moral right- they get darwinism back then social or otherwise ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kinda solves his q?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'sorry don't follow'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok unconditional moral law - Kant Alturism and reciprocity- Darwin.. tweaked a lil '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok punctuation not my strong point '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'sorry not with you ... kant predates darwin ... moral philosophy not my strong point'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz is very hard to organise htoughts atm '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'that's 'pre-dates' btw not 'predates' although that does summon up an amusing image'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not the only one chuckeling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to paris ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'ah the relief'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'really frustrated by this nothingness tho - I'll admit ineptitude - spelling evident but ! Grr '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'nothingness?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'froth ? no meat '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and why all the froth?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is usually just a pissing contest I'm just bloody frustrated with my coherence atm , is not you '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm being glared at , time to go , ty for your company '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'bye'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS bought 450million rounds of hollowpoint ammo, despite it being illegal to use in the theatre of war under Geneva Convention'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when was the purchase, which presidency'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this one'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was awarded march 2012'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(contract)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think our children have gotten too smart for their own good.  Some Saudi toddler whacked his old man because he didn't buy him a playstation.  Nevermind the tones of video-game addiction and spoiled-brattiness, they kid was only 4 years old!  How'd he even figure out how to shoot a gun?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, my nephew is 4 (almost 5).  He knows guns kill people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And has toy ones that he knows how to shoot'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of temporary insanity results in you stabbing your wife of 37 years 120 times?  take a steak and stab it 120 times for guesstimation'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he must have the royal family itself representing him in court of lunacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a rump roast or a hind of pig with skin attattched would be better'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick shit, shit like that bugs me to the extremes, that's supposed to be the law and it's some piece of shit instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British courts want to encourage the muslims to euthanise their spouses'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if that was the case, would they then be promoting islam to the rest of their people who weren't muslim until they were threatened with harrowing torment if they didn't convert?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so ,they're just making like uzbekistan and promoting that all doctors have to cut out at least 4 uterus's per month'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British courts want to encourage the *arab* muslims to euthanise their spouses -- those non-arabs converting to islam to be able to murder their spouses are to be dealt with harshly'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's in canada's best interest to remove the monarchy from the head of state attourney general person whatever, seeing contrasting obvious trash judgemenet like that coming from the god save teh queen land'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm no judge of just how much authority they have over there, but i imagine it's more than nothing, and even a bat could see that's some fucked up justice there, and they're blind'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, the Harper monarchy is likely to be far worse than the British monarchy'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'British justice is sly and cunning and works'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the harper monarchy, even to his political opponents and the reporters who don't expect anybody to listen to their debates on question hour, acknowledge that harper's monarchy is a puppet for arms dealers'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah he's just a little old puppet on strings that nobody knows'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't blame the puppet for everything, he has a wife and kids after all - not many (or no) politicians in the world without that common bondage (hostage situation) on the bargaining table'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hri: 'what countries does canada sell weapons to'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure the dynamics of what their sayings are about, the 10 billion pricetag lowered f-35's were part of their discussion though'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'we have weopons ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know that canada, while the liberals were campaigning of helicopter costs (as they do today), were building engines for chinese military helicopters'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a canadian company, somehow affords to build engines for military in china but canada can't afford it for itself somehow'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, they have a big complex set of lies and half-truths and coverups that can't be seen through by any sane method'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had at least a half a century to develop them'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no way they can justify petro-canada being dismantled 2 years before petro-china buys a large portion of alberta's oil sands either'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not if they understood what it was originally developed around in the ndp elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's crooked all over the place, you could write one of the biggest books in the world on corruption in modern politics'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the WildRose party bloom in Alberta'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'news said it was conservative that won but wildrose is the main opposition'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye ab has been conservative for more than a decade'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chewmosh, did you vote in the Alberta elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm never going to vote again, that's what electoral colleges are for'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'last time i voted was for jack layton, and the new ndp leader isn't him at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk tsk, all noise, no vote, not good'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all votings rigged is my vote'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would i want the illusion that i'm a number that adds to a result?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate so chemosh u believe the china deal is a bad one ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'defeinitely'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why couldn't china have purchased canadian oil from a canadian crown corporation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'huh ud know more i assumed itd be great for ab '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'migrant workers too, harper's streamlinging that process to a 12-month period now, full citizenship'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye well we do have the room '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'time to move to canada?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm gonna be moving out once i get some money together'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't stand the shit that runs it'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'move to alberta maybe the rest of the country lives of alberta '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Harper Irish want to flood Canada with white Trish emigres'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye i moved to bc about 9 months ago '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but was albertan for about 20 years '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'when ur done making money in alberta u go to bc :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the upper-class canadian Irish want to flood Canada with white Irish from Ireland -- but are likely to destroy Canada in the process as terrorists also flood into Canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i sincerly doubt irish terorist are going to emigree here to destroy us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you're not being overrun by Pakis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'we are tho '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Harper initiative is extremely racist in motivation'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'at least in the major western cities here whites are a minority'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah right, having his lips glued to israel's ass shows how determined he is to cater to the irish'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it obama's?  i think they're both glued to the same ass, whether or not it's israel'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the revent St Patrick's Day riots are an Irish funtime where canadians practice to be fun terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'that bugs me the most about our govt i think is how we let the us push us around on civil issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the recent St Patrick's Day "fun riots" (overturning and  burning cars) are an Irish funtime where some Canadians practice to be fun terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'U.S.*'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'saskatchewan's allowing some lingerie female whoreball entertainment sports cross the border from the USA this year, while drinking at strip clubs is a no-no , you can drink at the whore ball games'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i still cant buy a buncha irishman coming here with the intention of destroying us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the great US civil law changing moves'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh your government doesn't allow drunk whore houses?   well, we'll see about that'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe some girls will pay their university tuition with their nips hanging out for the crowd'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate hooters !'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'byw, are those Biker gangs mostly Irish'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o really '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'never thought about it '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'angels could prob run this country better :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, that mom bouchet seemed like quite the greedy asshole, and also that guy in niagara falls there who's pal ran the cops'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mayor of toronto supposedly is good pals (brothers) with the chief of police down there too'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his family calls 9/11 on him and it was just a prank'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'u know my fav govt man was ole ralphy klien i miss him '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye his fingers had dirt on em but he did alot of good imo '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to history/discovery/documentary/cbc news/ctv news'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not all bad people though, i agree there'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just don't believe that any single person should be given ultimate control of anything spanning more than their immediate vicinity, and what a president or a priminister or king thinks his immediate vicinity is 1000 miles away'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i like how hed goto mandatory attendance handout meetings: hed sit down take a sip a water then leave :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'take drug legislation for instance, here's 37% of the entire population that bothered to vote or take a survey saying i'm not sure, here's 47% saying yes i see no harm in some of them being legalized or legislation being intelligently altered to combat the problems prohibition causes, and the shady remainder say hell no..'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with such a large supporting group from the 1000 mile king's territory, why wouldn't they have decided that prohibition and drug legislation should be more of a municipal or territorial law instead?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'thats what i was gettin at about US influence we were about to legalize mj till they threatened us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't, your opinion don't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'omg the US drug war chafes me so bad...  and unfortunately because it's outlawed at the federal level, you're opinion already doesn't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '(your, even)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are wrong Taoken (the mole)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet if all prohibition was lifted today there'd be less addicts and hundreds of thousands of less homicides per years'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus, they wouldn't have to rob people and fear being seen in court by witnessess so you got another less homicide with a downed robbery rate for the 500 dollar habit'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there be an increase in accidents if drug prohibition were lifted without restrictions'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they will lift proahibition when they perfect robots and dont need a middle/lowerclass anymore '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no evidence of that at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'weird cuz these addicts are already comfortable breaking the law posseesing drugs but there to scared to drive cuz drugs are illegal ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there'd be an increase on homicides (drug users are extremely annoying when polluting)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea that you're doing something wrong (whether using substances or using them while driving) is there anyways, if you removed the you're doing something wrong from the substances and used education to combat stupidity instead of make more money and secure your future income then there'd be two wings of your dark angel clipped'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the way I see it, US election reform needs to take place before we'll have a hope of lifting prohibition.  Right now every federal office boils down to voting for the existing guy (or his mirror image successor), or the guy with the best chance of beating him.  That leaves no room for candidates to support anything but the most mainstream liberal positions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of evidence -- if you smoke marijuana and pollute my air sopace, i am going to be extremely annoyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ur f'n car pollutes my airspace more than my joint ever will'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if drugs were legalized then, would you advertise how great they are like cialis and viagra, or would you leave that up to your doctor and their parents, community programs and support groups?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'altered minds are what people see in people they think are retarded, drugs alter peoples minds, drugs are a mental illness, sometimes preferrable to the one they're escaping from'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'inadequate social funding for programs combatting the root issues that cause them to gravitate towards the narcotics, and also negligence of some of their legitimate uses in combatting some forms of mental or physical illness'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of evidence -- if you smoke marijuana on a public bus, and the bus crashes because the driver is impaired, folk are going to be extremely annoyed -- there is going to be violence as your head is kicked in hard)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so I think if mj was legalized, it'd be subject to the same restrictions we place on tobacco and alcohol today.  Age restrictions, strict laws about being wasted and driving, no smoking in public areas or confined to a "smoker's corner" if you will.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of things and ways to go about fixing them if people wanted to, but like those teachers secure their futures by keeping their students dumber than themselves, the government secures their childrens futures by locking yours up'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they call these democratic nations - i'm under the impression the definition of democracy is the exact opposite of what it says'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'cant smoke anything on a bus period : /'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'restrictions as tobacco and alcohol - how about what they add to both?  ether for instance in your booze'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'speeding up the fermentation process, get yourself a little deadly head rush in addition to the basic substance you thought you bought'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homicide rate may even sky-rocket as moral decay from drugs increases'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the government shouldn't really be adding cyanide and things to cannabis too, do you?  i think it should remain to farmers markets instead, so you can verify the growers'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i dunno im talking lifting bans on drugs thaT ARE NO MORE HARMFUL THAN ALCOHOL '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sry caps'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or at least have a verifiable set of points of production where people can go and observe the whole process themselves, who wants more Jim Jones Cartel leaders around in government?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sure as hell don't, not for anybody's kids'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wasn't as horrendous as Mendele and some of those others, but their activities are similar - as with tobacco, do you really think they had to double the dosages of toxins added to it in 2005?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some Geneva conventional violations there, I wonder why the Geneva people don't question the tobacco industry and the governments who profit from it'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'fyi alot of very successful ppl smoke mj it doesnt cause moral decay in fact id put money down that ud find alot more careing potheads than u would joe blows who dont do any drugs '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know lots of successful people smoke dope - dope also does about the direct opposite to the brain chemistry as opiates do'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage increases confidence in abilities as those abilities deteriorate'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i could see the potential tho if u opened the floodgates to all drugs im not sure how that would play out '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the drugs are already there, this is how it played out'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so does everyday life the more u do stuff trhe more confident u are even as age sets in '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage results in blatant lies extolling the virtues of THC'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'legalizing them is the star trek approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol zade'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least then liberal approaches to prevention and treatment could be perfected'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage results in grandiose claims of the Utopia to result from unrestricted legaised THC usage'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if alcohol was illegal as well i wouldnt bitch so much about pot being illegal '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'as it stands it doesnt make sence'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it'd still be around too'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I know is that if pot were legalized, I'd be high all day every day.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, 1929). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions call it bullshit or whatever, but what they add to cigarettes contributes alot to that, it's not tobacco doing the killing most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chlorine was the gas used to suffocate the scottish and canadian troops in world war 1'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does it need to be added to all water systems in the world to make it clean?  you decide, and what's being done to make it's use not neccessary in the future?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are there any adverse affects on unborn foretus's and infants from steam coming from chlorinated water from the average tap?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'someone told me : smokes agitate ur lungs making them more susceptible to the harmful pollutants in the air those pollutants are the major cause of desease. that being said i smoke and really want to quit its still harmful i just think the 50 % tax hike on cigs shoulda been spread out to the corporations some not directly on the smokr'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't smoke cigarettes when i smoke dope'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise i smoke cigarettes though, fully aware of the death they cause'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im going to try laser surgery if my sis's research on it comes bak favorably'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sort of do it out of hatred, thinking that somewhere somebody's getting away with murdering people just like me who think we're just smoking a cigarette but aren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to figure out what the difference between them and these villains of history are'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'every person iv come across who has done laser surgery said it worked, some of them walked into that surgery fully expecting it not to work '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'anyone hear of laser surgery not working to kick smokeing ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA/TheWest supported Al-Quaida in Libya and Syria. Hrm'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'and? we also supplied them with weapons and training years ago in afghanistan. point?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those were GOOD al-q., then it's ok!'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or..something'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you think 9/11 was all a put up job so they could impose draconian security measures at home?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since oklahoma 1995 was certainly a false flag attack'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are people ok with that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think that there's too much I don't know about 9/11 for me to have a firm opinion on exactly who was behind it. At any rate it was used to justify taking several steps toward an orwellian dystopia, so it was certainly 'convenient'.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well whether you believe it was a put-up job or not, i don't think it justifies legislation that has clamped down on freedom, liberty, and rights across UK and USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'so do something besides talking about it in a text-based game?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well, I can't speak for the UK, but if sending all my library records to the DHS is going to prevent some nut from crashing another airplane into another building, then I'm all for it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Of course, sending all my library records to the DHS ISN'T going to prevent some nut from crashing another airplane into another building, but that's beside the point.  :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about being stopped and searched in the street without just cause or warrant. How about x-ray scanners and intrusive searches airports?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'this is debate, dont use logic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about not being able to talk freely about anything vaguely related on websites or other media?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the USA particularly, how about not being able to travel out of state, even by road, if your taxes aren't up to date'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if you don't like the security at the airport, don't fly, personally it gives me a feeeling of being protected when I fly'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The whole, being stopped in the streets without a warrent thing dates back to 1968 (Terry v. Ohio).'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's pretty much just the feeling though, not reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about secret feds riding buses and trains, snooping on people?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'False sense of security, Ashiya'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But you have a point about the virtual strip searches.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'might very well be, but if it soothes my mind I'm happy'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People have 'tested' the system by sneaking large, albeit benign, metal objects through the body scanners'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Supposedly, the purpose of the virtual strip search machines is to detect people trying to smuggle explosives that can't be detected by standard x-rays.  The problem is, the virtual strip search machines don't do that.  '
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If the terrorists want to bomb your plane, they already know how to sneak a device on there, so the body scanners aren't protecting you from shit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, they expose people to radiation that wouldn't be safe in industry, and have caused cancer in operatives working them regularly'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-and- half of the tsa staff don't actually know how to use them correctly, or understand the procedures'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So as far as I'm concerned, the body scanners are just porno entertainment for bored TSA monkeys who want to see some titties.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or to grope children, starling'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, that's kind of messed up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'lol have you seen the actual pictures they get, if they get off of that, then I feel bad for them'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Have you seen some of the tools working TSA?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been deliberately employing paedo's'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason they employ control-freak nutjobs for the UK polcie'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the USA needs to do is use profiling.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Profiling works.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to get staff that aren't there for the public's good, they're getting staff that are there to dominate and hold power'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'indeed it does star'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the new gun confiscation rules they're trying to push through USA atm'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, look at Vegan here, if he tried to go through security and they profiled, they'd pull him aside as an alcoholic whackjob on the spot.  And indeed, that's exactly what he is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd get yourself up in arms about that. (no puns intended)'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It just sucks because now I can't sneak a bag of weed or a flask of alcohol on the damn plane'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you need to sneak alcahol onto the plain when they serve it up in the air?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because a) their alcohol is fucking expensive, b) I can bring whatever I want and it's probably better than what they have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Never been on a jet that offers much in the way of Scotch'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, never flown anywhere where alcohol hasn't been free'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe on a first class international flight, definitely not in coach'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why is it the US government are victimising smallholders and small farmers who refuse to use genetically modified seeds and pesticides?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'leftist propaganda? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not leftist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if anything rightist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'refusing to use GMO?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many incidents of farms being raided and crops destroyed, livestock slaughtered'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA laws are extremely corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are very selectively applied here, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're essentially clamping down on organic farmers'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK, every cow, sheep and pig needs a passport, and has to have papers filled in every time you move them'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the problem in the UK is they're being clamped down against the wishes of the state by the feds'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'blame the vegans, just a thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the UK, that is to protect against mad-animal diseases'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hoof'n'mouth diseases'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch the documentary "Farmageddon"'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain is small in land area - they cannot afford to lose farmlands to diseased soils'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late, they've crippled it with pesticides'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pesticides eventually disappear -- but some animial-to-soil diseases stay a long long while'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, no pesticides don't, they get into the water table'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then into the food chain'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're a bigger threat than climate change'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as they're badly affecting the ecosystem'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'whenever i hear a debate about GMO and organic farming, i wonder how many of the people taking part are vets, aka. know what the hell are they talking about :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work for an organisation involved in conservation'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and come from a family of farmers'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'that's not much of a qualification to talk about effects of pesticides, is it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then who would?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'errr, a vet? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vets are not adequately qualified'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have anything to do with crops or soil or ecosystem, or conservation'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'i think you guys might be looking for a geologist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'right, they're more about livestock and meat production, so other type of doctor working with hygiene'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a hygiene issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vets are overpriced animal-doctors -- only the "rich" are able to afford them -- "rich" commercial industries '
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'the point is, you are apparently neither, you're saying you know all this because your pa was a farmer and so was his pa and so on, which sounds like a load of crap, you're probably just indoctrinated by the propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich that pays the vet pipers, select the tunes the vet pipers play'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd better tell all the research ecologists that they work is crap then'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll be glad to hear it'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'using pesticides can be bad, as well as not using them, using things right is where the science is at, and if there are problems, blame a non-functioning regulartory organs instead of going all anarchy - pesticides are evil, let's not use them'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's specific pesticides that are causing the damage'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the same as it's specific genetically modified crops that are causing the trouble with bat populations'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it's bizarre that they're victimising organic farmers and let the offending corps get away with... murder'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'yep, it's hard to draw the line where it's good and where it's bad, but drawing the line right at the beginning, saying 'let's not use these at all' is just as stupid as mindlessly using everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damage to the ecosystem is extremely hard to reverse'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've noticed that Canola oils (Canola is likely a GMO crop) seem to digest and act differently to normal oils'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, you guys need to get shot of CISPA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the Canola oil is odorless (and not rancid), the canola oil is likely okay -- but when overcooked or oxidised to rancid, reeks and may cause a slight angina)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mau also depend on the brandname -- some Canola brands smell, some don't'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the odorless Canola oil sprinkled lightly on fresh popcorn, then lightly salted with half-salt tastes (buttery and) delicious'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is to ban children from doing chores on their family farms'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is illegal to do research on genetically modified crops without permission from the patent holder'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is illegal to do research on genetically modified donkeys without permission from me.'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, which countries peohibit research on GMO crops unless with permission -- that seemes far-fetched and corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though (religion and) money in the USA buys extreme political corruption '
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Srephen Colbert reported that: Arizona is attempting to pass laws that "human life" begins two weeks before actual conception'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'life begins at the conception of the grandparents-to-be!'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in further Daily-Show/Colbert-Report news:  Texas is seeking to change school textbooks so that "Creationism" is the new modern science, and that "Evolution" is false-science'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Christians in cooperation with Republicans are seeking to ruin education and fiscal-responsibility in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not soley republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats are at it too'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want world government'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, only rich people should get education, everyone else can work at mcdonalds!'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no fiscal responsibility anywhere in the western world'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's broken'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the common riff-raff shall get a "religious" education and decreaed services, - while the rich get the elite education, the handouts, bailouts, tax-cuts, cheap mining rights, and domain perks'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, that is an economic model that may "work" in terms of production, but life may become hell for the average citizen of the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't have that'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have high taxes, high welfare, no freedom'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're headed for the end of state rule'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as long as the production corporations are financially sound, the economic model shall be seemingly okay -- but those that are not rich shall be viewed as expendable or cheap labor'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but what happens when the not-rich are no longer able to buy the products that the rich produce -- simply change the products menu'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an economy is based upon the velocity of monies -- but if the politicians support only the rich, how long before the USA degenerates to the mass poverty of India'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the anti-socialist Christians in the USA are supporting directions that are extremely anti-Christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some irony there, and perhaps even some eventual apocalypse prophecy fulfillment)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has come out and said that he's looking forward to being a dictator'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Christians of the USA (and other countries) become the anti-Christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, where did Obama say that'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the atheistic viewpoint: even though the christian Bible is a book of fiction, some of the prophecies of the Apocalypse may be coming to happen (though in an ironic twist unintended by the so-called Christians)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the book of Revelation, the wicked cities are burnt with fire -- that is not good news for the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican Christians speak of building a strong nation -- yet the Apocalypse seems intent on raining destruction down upon the great nations of the planet  -- not sure how the "Christian Repubicans" explain that, other than by wearing blinders'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the atheistic viewpoint, the Bible is fiction crap.  But even so, how to explain the icreasing accuracy of the Book of Revelations in foretelling what seems to be happening as the "rich" become more and more selfish and corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe there is an atheistic god that dislikes religions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe there is an atheistic god that dislikes selfish corrupt religions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(republican christians are selfish and corrupt)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get too stereotypical :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '((silence in the peanut gallery whilw i am slinging mud))         j/k'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is to ban children from working on their family's farms'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian troops to train in anti-terrorist drills again US citizens in Colarado from 24th to 31st May'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'again --> against'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh alex has found a gun-toting pin-up'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(expletive deleted) Arlow, (expletive deleted)!'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'So, about that economy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, not only are we all Africans, we're all fish.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so this is one of the "porn" channels'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rename the "X-rated debate" to the "mindf***" channel, and recreate debate as a non-X-rated channel'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'How about the price of lettuce these days, huh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, i keep the ftalk and curse channels off'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, I honestly couldn't tell you the price of lettuce. I wonder what it is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jews and arabs are semites, but according to the English, if you are anti-jew, you are antisemitic, but if you are anti-arab you are not antisemitic '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Like...99 cents a head'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yeah, Zade. Language is tricky that way.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, thank Leinei. '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'moose and meeses, Zade.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If only 99 cents for head was the norm.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There we go, NOW it's x-rated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't buy lettuce because when I make salads I buy the pre-packaged lettuce/spinach mix. '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'I'm anti-semis. Semitrailers, that is. Every time one of those things go by me on my bike, I feel like I'm gonna get sucked under the wheels...'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nuances of "native" as in "a native",  "a native speaker",  "a native country"'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the return of the native'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'libertarians are viewed as fiscally incompetent -- ironicaly, republicans are actually fiscally incompetent or extremely greedy selfish and unfeeling '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich-controlled media shapes opinions to deceive the populace'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Yeah, but libertarians have really just begun to shine to the austrian school of economics. They are gaining traction as fiscally conservatives.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'librarians? really?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surprisingly, it doesn't.  It's more about the perception of the DIFFERENCE in opinions among political leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you people bother to debate this issue? Anyone on the taxpayer's payroll is fiscally incompetent either by design or accident. Period.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'australian school librarians, economics, gotcha.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really, Anaristos? All public employees? Firefighters?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as an example, scientists are all but unanimous on global warming but political leaders in at least the US are roughly evenly divided on it.  As a result, the public largely considers global warming to be an uncertainty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: '... i.e,, if you were paying taxes, you'd be fiscally competent, and vice versa?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who doesn't have to worry about job security as a function of performance is going to give little care about fiscal competency.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whack-jobs (worse than Che****) are opinionated and are more likely to join the libertarian party than the republicans (unless the libertarians take care to filter out those incompetents)'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, Zade. Once you are on the gravy train you won't give a shit about competency since it won't matter.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless they are religious whack-jobs, when they do join the republican party'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until someone in the constituency goes "Hey, we got you in.  How come you aren't getting it done for us?" followed by a bunch of "Yeah"'s and "Good point"'s and such.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'being a democrat, libertarian or republican is the same as being a yankee, cub or met. No matter what the team you play the same game.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Breivikbs emotionless appearance in court as witnesses give gruesome testimony and bereaved families sob audibly has left many baffled at his state of mind, wondering if he is exercising superhuman self-control or simply feels no emotions. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-norway-muslim-leaders-say-breivik-trial-should-focus-on-gunmans-anti-islamic-ideology/2012/04/28/gIQAxbdMnT_story.html .. this movie provides some other possibilities too, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Toes - i haven't seen anything remotely close in john grisham novels or movies and other racial crime shows, but parts are considerable'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you of all people should know what a sociopath is, Chemosh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being well accepted by a sick society is no sound indication of real health'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he seen the movie and what the jewish 'zog overlords of puppet governments' expected would happen to a aryan soldier who acted in defiance emotionally/mentally, and wanted to correct that - the movie involved a Hindu victim though, which is odd'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he also claimed that the jews spread communism throughout the world in the movie, it was neat - like the KGB evidence i talked about the other day and the meeting between  B'nai Brith and stephen harper http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2012/04/26/alleged-war-criminal-que-beekeeper.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'socialism is good or evil?  I forget which.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'its sexy. like che'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looking at the world, i'd say it's ran by evil, isn't there a Socialist contributor you can refer to?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'run by evil is true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US is putting people in jail for not paying their debts (about a third of the states have laws allowing this).'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh, they still have debtor's prison?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, it is called an exwife.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's mostly a loophole.  You aren't actually arrested and jailed for owing money, you're arrested and jailed for failing to appear and related charges connected to you owing the money.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some states actually jail folk through collection courts, where the right to a public defender doesn't apply to the accused.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that can escalate to genocide eventually, these foreign banker debtors and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money used to be a tool of a real government, not something that tooled it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can Wendigo embody the concept of most gods on earth, Mictlantecuhtli be a possible Wendigo and Unas be their knowledge?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Zeus.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, guys, put down the joint, you are overdoing it :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'consider it, you're south american aren't you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pyramids are no joke'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, they are real, which is the point.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what?  No way, this is absolute proof that pot's the ultimate health food.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't work for the vatican'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mysticism is a modality which not compatible with reality. You are trying to mix both.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4R4VMMTyGc'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'santa muerte is being worshipped across the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever reality is to you might be better considered after your thoughts on what they think of it are seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, shit must be good since a billion flies couldn't be wrong?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not everybody possibly knows, but some do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice Dark, i listened to a few anonymous links before'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they come into the recommendations sidebar often'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I thought it was hilarious.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I saw it as a video response to TAA.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you seem to miss the point. Objects in the universe must be natural, that is, adhere to the nature of the universe. So, by definition, the un-natural and the supernatural must fail to exist, by definition. So, "un-natural" and "supernatural" are euphemisms for "can't be explained at the moment".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so labeling something "un-natural" or "supernatural" can only mean an error in perception.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teh universe is just a word that means everything, and minds to some are still and will always be nothing, except on a different plane of existence comprising a unseen foothold that they use to perceive the universe'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider the universe is a blob of unconscious nothing only, i don't make it my god replacement'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Chemosh, the universe, whatever that is, is the label for the cohesive nature of existence. So, if something exists it must be natural, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you have a mind and i have a mind and neither of us controls what's in between us, then there's possibly more than ours around'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then we all have real in similarity, so there is a entity beyond us'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, if zombies do exist, then they must be caused by a natural chain of event, and they, themselves, are natural. If we view them as un-natural, they we are perceiving them incorrectly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the mind is a function of physical phenomena, therefore, the mind is a natural object of the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an object, which is subject, to quantum effects :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe nothing to be real, not believe is a defense against reality to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, fortunately or unfortunately, reality doesn't need you to validate it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'considering both to be neccessary is a thing i consider, but aren't sure of because i don't know the balanced mind of the universe interactively at all time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I really don't give a fuck. I don't care if 'god' is real or not. Either way, nothing will change for me. We're all on the path to death and is what we are constantly anticipating everyday. At least some of us.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you either give the universe too much credit, or not enough.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem is that you  anthropomorphize the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real's a monetary unit in brazil though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from what you say, it must be something that walks around doing things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they kind of tainted the communication with an alternative'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"real" means either "real" or "royal".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so it loses a lot in translation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, not give a fuck's one thing i tried to do and did for awhile and periodically, but always the unaddressed came to the forefront and my mind was left to face it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to punish reality because you can't understand it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not punishing anybody except myself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the idea of punishment is a symptom of not-understanding.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as punishment in the universe, justice is a simply cause and effect. Whatever effect a cause has, it  must be just, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hide the actions of my enemies (who are not within the level of ordinary enemy) or worship their god justice though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'god would have to be, extra universal by definition, but since the universe is the container of all that is, then god can't exist, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a perception, just above the sky's a black spot and in there god might hide'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that is an analysis of the axioms of existence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if we were alive in the time of job or before the first pen was put to paper we might have witnessed things not imagined or explained in reality today'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this ignorance you follow doesn't work for me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're atheist i'm me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am ignorant? I take the path of least resistance. I don't event goblins to explain what I don't understand.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if yours was the universal path of least resistance then my mind wouldn't have contradicted my attempts to follow it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can follow solid truth when my mind sees it, visible or conceptual'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if your mind exists, then it must be a natural entity. If it is a natural entity then it is bound by its container, the universe. The mind is simply a formulation of rules, it has no substance. The rules that bind the mind are bound to the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'must and universe are turning into assumption of real to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'formulation of rules tells me about the minds that write computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that because we are able to re-arrange information that we are extra-universal. The  truth is that we are able to do so because our validating container, the universe, allows the phenomena to happen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i came to alot of original information myself, i don't have your pretext'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the data paths in the universe are static, all we do is discover them :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's ignorance to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that electricity didn't exist until  someone discovered it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i wasn't there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, so whatever that date was when it was discovered, prior to that instance there was no such phenomenon as electricity in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a rather arrogant assumption :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just assumption to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen ultimate reality fall before in my dreams, this one's not god to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'satan's a dynamic being'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can he do it quietly please'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and assuming that quantum machinics is correct, there were no quantum effects prior the early 1900s ")'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't even hate satan'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't even know what a "satan" is...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'baal's are many faceted creatures too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't set my sights on the ultimate reality there, i set them above for you to find yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you didn't, you were already below anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am just fascinated by your insistence on the "super-natural", which, by definition, can't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll die believing in god if that's what happens'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole point of believing in the "supernatural" is keeping your eyes open for things that defy your explanation of what reality is, and incorporating them correctly into your worldview, instead of dismissing them as bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you claiming that if you stop believing in god, you won't die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the core of what it means to aim for supernatural'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Oh shit! I saw Cambodia's name. Once cambodia enters, he wins.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i can't stop believing in god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well my record is fucking far from perfect'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok wait, are you guys talking about belief in God and heaven and all of that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if you are right, Cambodia, as to what it is meant, the usage is a categorical mistake.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'It would seem so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I will settle that whole issue right now simply and logically, on the side of God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Trust me, he will.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'you 2 may as wlel let him talk and he'll tell you it all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'well*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there can't be an extra-natural entity, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole thing of this topic is that our definitions are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we must conclude, then, that the universe is god :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the words we use mean the wrong things'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Why does it have to be god?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the word we use'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can live with that conclusion, though it is rather trivial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can call it what you want, but the way you treat it is what makes it important'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'ma call you Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum gets a blank look on his face.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe in God, but if I see you call it something different because you want to, but you treat it like someone who cares about Universe or whatever, you are godly enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it seems that how you mistreat it is  what's important.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You believe in an  anthropomorphic entity that "rules" the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, that is much subtler than a ham handed dismissal like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'first you have to understand that your mind is inextricably tied to the objective reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that would make the entity extra-universal, which can't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Anar you are right on some cases. But listen to what he's about to say.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if you are being objective, you are being objective in your mind, which operates by certain rules and laws of being of an animal nature'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so there are two sides to it, what you are seeing, and what you are seeing it through'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if what makes the universe is god, then god is the universe and the natural order of things is god, and so god is just a set of rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'belief in God is about properly honing your instrument (your mind and emotions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and science is about what you see with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'neither one is wrong, they just both have a proper balance, once achieved, you can accomplish a lot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that assumes that somehow our minds are at the apex of existence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it just assumes that your mind is part of the equation of what you call reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which it is, no matter what the shape of it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health, what you fear, what you like, all of those "subjective" things actually affect what you see when you try to see objectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not that there is no objective reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just that if your binoculars are out of focus, you won't get the true picture'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true as psychology, but spirituality is whether they can be impacted by a third party who's supernatural, and being natural if that can be explained in terms of our perception'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of that "hippy new age yoga crap" about God being love and whatnot, is describing the psychological state of a mind that can perceive all of reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we are natural, which we must be, since we exist, then we conform to the rules of the universe. We exist as the stars exist and for the same reason.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh it's deeper than psychology'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either with that first or second set, and both'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, what does that mean emotionally?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are asking how a chemical reaction validates existence? I think you are question is backward.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes I am'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because how you feel about why you think you are here affects how your mind sees reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health affects your judgment in ways that you probably won't ever see unless you are lucky enough to be able to see around your own feelings'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the universe exists, and within the universe chemical  reactions we label  "emotions" exits. One validates the other, not the other way around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it really does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, now honestly, why do you pick that view over mine?  not saying I'm right, just why?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because that view is simpler. To assume that because we emote the universe exist is akin to saying that water exists because there is  such thing as wetness.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not logically, emotionally, why do you pick that view'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretend it matters, even if you think it doesn't, if it doesn't, reality won't give a shit if you are honest here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: '^'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Psychics did it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't help but to be emotional, emotions are bound to this configuration. I take them into account when I reach a conclusion. I do admit that I can't validate my conclusions outside the emotional context even when I allow for them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then at least admitting it is truthful enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's all, really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bottom line is this'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you know how to do much with a yo-yo?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I handed you one, what would you see in that yo-yo?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, if I postulate that data paths are static, then I can then reach a conclusion that would be valid with or without emotions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perfect'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know all the data paths bound to a yo-yo :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are such conclusions, but the emotional variable must be taken into consideration because you use your own mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have yet to uncover them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I handed it to a yo-yo master, he would see a whole plethora of data paths'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are all there, why don't you see them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every one that every master has and will ever uncover are all actually right there, in the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because I have chosen other data paths to explore, that's why I haven't uncovered mastery of the yo-yo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why did you choose those paths?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's bound to chemical reactions which follow a path of least resistance. The path of least resistance is bound by my configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's because you don't *care* about the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn about what you care about, or what pertains to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not true. I would love to uncover all the paths contained in a yo-yo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but not enough to actually uncover them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'love is work, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are just not deemed high-priority by this configuration :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in fact, love is a whole branch of science that is scoffed at and denigrated, when actually love is what makes a mind want to see what is out there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why the practice of love is tied inextricably to the practice of knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and a mind of infinite knowledge is a mind of infinite love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"love" is an affinity for a data path.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your mind and the universe are inextricably twined'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you only see truly what you truly care about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and data paths are bound to the configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that cannot be changed, ever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but one way to work it is to open your heart to more love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the other is study and discipline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, if I wanted to master the yo-yo, I would just alter my configuration, within the bounds set by the rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you would learn how to love the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing is also that you have to use your mind to change your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe even satan can repent , even if he is the mythological bottom of ugliness'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you don't think, "alter my configuration" (or maybe you do), because that thought won't motivate you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you see the awesomeness in the yo-yo, and that alters your configuration'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"love" is a manifestation of affinity. Loving the yo-yo would just mean that the perceptions of its rules could be archived following a path of least resistence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole spiritual teaching is a sort of code for how you do it from the inside, as you, not as an objective schematic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are right objectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but to actually do it, you must understand how your mind works subjectively as related to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and bringing those two sides together, working from the subjective side, is what spirituality is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other side is science, but both sides are about knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I don't agree. The configuration is biased toward the exploration of data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ultimately we have at least a base level of wanting to live'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which technically is love, even if you are just trying to save your own ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it gets complex as you study further exactly *why* your mind has affinity for what it does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so basically, I must learn, and if given enough time, I would learn everything. What I haven't learned yet just haven't reached the top of the queue of paths to be explored.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the priorities are organized based on what you love (your affinities)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is  just a chemically managed queue.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have the ability to change your affinities'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more like this'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I shoot heroin, I will hear the crescendoes of all my favorite songs and it will feel awesome'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can control my chemistry to the extent that I can change the electrical circuits that process the data paths, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is serotonin or endorphins (don't know exactly, doesn't matter right now)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't think of endorphins to increase your endorphins'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you think of the song'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because that is the key to making your mind do it, as you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'from the outside, you use a chemical'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'from the inside, you use the meaning of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just remember that you are the creation of who put you there and realization isn't the end of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are two ways to change it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a way, the chemical is the song'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is a real objective thing, and a subjective sensation'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can control either one, with different methods'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are two different studies'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the totality of the configuration takes care of generating the chemistry necessary to archive the goal. The case is that it is old bound to the original configuration. So, the position within the waiting queue is a function of static basis for the configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bad people make it so, bad people can be judged'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I am saying is that, whether or not that idea is true, it doesn't tend to work subjectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'good and bad are matters of opion, Chemosh. They have no basis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well now it is smoke break time I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos beams a smile at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the configurations in the universe follow the same law, they follow the path of least resistance.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'll just say one more thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't think you're wrong at all, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that surely makes a good case for entropy :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the way that you word it is important when working from the other side of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'In a way, I am trying to "denature" myself. The chemical processes are not well known to me so I must be careful that they don't contaminate my perception unduly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do believe that perception is a natural process that all entities have and it can be pure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't think of them as contamination'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'use their properties'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'incorporate them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you actually get much farther that way :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because in the end, you cannot separate the two halves of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they push my  along a path with heightened resistance then they are a corruption. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I tell you what'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you ever own a dog'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do not think they can be separated, I think they can be properly managed for optimum perception.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you get a lot farther understanding and working with what the dog loves, and guiding it, than denying it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'funny, dogs do bring some examples to mind :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's two sides'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the dog loves, and what the dog must do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you harness what he loves to what he must do, and then the dog is happy and he works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both sides man :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are still animals, even though we are much more than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am aware of that, I may be in minority, but I am a student of dog intelligence. Certainly they don't observe the world as we do, but they do observe it and act accordingly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the animal nature figures into the equation, more than some people think'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are all different'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I love dogs :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'For what the dog accomplishes, I rate their intelligence as being rather high.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just treat your animal nature like a dog instead of something to be emotionlessly controlled and you'd be amazed at what you can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's basically what I am getting at, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they see more than you sometimes think, when you really take into account what they can perceive with their sense of smell'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they sniff you for 20 seconds and probably know, in their own doggish way, where you've been all day, who you've seen, and what mood you're in'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who you've fucked :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are chemical reactions that can't be avoided, they are dictated by the configuration, however, the ability to manipulate the reaction for the benefit of the configuration exists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but does a dog understand it that way?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you managing it can think that way, but to motivate yourself, you have to pet the dog'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I don't think so.  Which is why they haven't placed a dog in the moon :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'translate your logic into an animal reward system sort of'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their configuration have constraints that we don't have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well they can't translate their impulses into language'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe that most of what we are under our logic is a lot like a dog, barring the dog instinct part which is different'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the substrate is the same, a mammal'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'humans had no natural defenses would have allowed them to maintain their perception tied to the immediate environment. The development of the ability to shunt chemical reaction output into waiting loops is what made the difference.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh the nature of how our reasoning is built on our animal nature is a rich, rich subject'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it all comes down to the simple ability to delay the response generated by an input.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to think an action, and play it in an infinite space in our mind, imagine the outcome, and then choose to act'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a way, that is sort of the crux of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a delay loop :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we can see into infinity without getting sucked in'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'transcend the Turing machine'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, infinity by just be a self-bound data path :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we can explore that path without actually doing it infinite times'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is a sort of paradox but we do it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is dictated by the container which is quite large so an "infinite loop" though, actually, finite can be quite long. Longer than we can perceive.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much of infinity you can see is dictated by the fitness of your nervous system, to a degree at the very least'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you can increase that power'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'with certain techniques'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then there might be the holographic nature of the container, which would allow for "reflections".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that I do agree with'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the mind has a fractal nature'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but in the end, the power that you ultimately have is the power to encompass all of it consciously, and use it all to make a decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which entails mastery of your animal nature, which is a science (the techniques of mastery of self)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but wouldn't that be a flaw in the configuration? It  would only serve us if the container itself  had the same design. So that the mind would be just a smaller version  of the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, there is the mind and the brain'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the brain upholds a pattern, the pattern is our minds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who come from other places and gods and stuff are infiltrations unless they admit to your loyalty'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the pattern can alter itself to a degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the mind can be renamed "the data paths bound to the configuration".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you are the data paths'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you feel like a data path (even if you are)  if I tell you to alter your data path, do you think to yourself [altering data path]?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you have to alter your data path'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that is a sad thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so dealing with sadness becomes part of altering your data path'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we are bound to the data paths  since we are bound by the configuration... OK, I can agree with that. All that really means is that we act within the container with cohesion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i.e. we are not random :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia beams a smile at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and nations and gods arne't far removed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, within the rules, each configuration has a degree of randomness.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there are quirks and whatnot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's no faith in that saying'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's what happens, people have to learn how to leave government out of religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chemosh, the problem with "gods" is that they really don't explain anything. They just throw a rug over the stain on the floor.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are symbols of the mind, that can have a real affect on minds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is like I've been saying, half of the whole thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's a problem with trying to explain them to some, but there's also what their followers believe is their justification'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you build a God-Meter and try to find God that way, you will fail'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but having a symbol of something to aim for is a way of "altering the data paths"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but they represent "dead ends". The configuration refuses to explore the data path but it needs resolution, so it labels it "god".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what it is is more like, you have a job you hate, but a daughter that you love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you think of your daughter to work your job'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that works as long as the daughter and the job can be kept in different inner paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the paths intercept there will be much conflict.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to me that is pretty elementary form of confusion that most people don't actually do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to know where the ideas belong, proper perspective, also a spiritual study'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but a God is sort of in the same category, maybe abstract, but something you love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something to aim for is for government to leave religion out of it's administration and be fair to it's citizen members, and vice versa - religions have divisions'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you don't have a daughter, but you love children, you work for other people's children'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not trying to diminish your beliefs, Chemosh. All I am saying that you are short-changing  yourself by giving credit to entities that might not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe you think, my job will make someone's child happy, which would make me happy'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you hold the God who loves children to your heart, and work for that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's called sublimation, Cambodia.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is that God fake?  if you work for it, the effects of it are real, through you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you are a scientist, you have to be able to know that for what it is and tell it apart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'proper thought is indeed an artform'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe i'm short changing myself though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm getting drunk as shit though, that's true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the god would be rather conflicting. The god that loves children causes tsunamis? What manner of entity would do that? Again, the   anthropomorphism is just too much.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and being a spiritual person is being a scientist, at the root of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug enthusiastically high-fives Chemosh!
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah that's the wrong way to do it anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people are confused on the nature of God, doesn't make it not worthwhile or true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'high-five to the getting drunk? :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people don't know shit about science either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I am halfway through my 40 right now as well :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, god may exist but he if so, he must be subsidiary to the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure thing, but i still hope that we'll be alright'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the shape of your container dictates what the world will receive of God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so having a good container, and right knowledge, is essential'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is important as well'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the container is what is, only the container has control over itself, as much as its nature allows it to have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, we can only do as much as we can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'japanese society has been very evil for a long time, as far as to themselves and their innocence, as to the worlds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you do your very best'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because you love it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you get your facts straight'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because getting it right is important too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people posted comments on british columbia being flooded on cbc website to that end'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you learn to synthesize both of those things, and then you can be something really good to the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the container can't know just how far it can stretch, either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just go hard and see how far you get, and that is called faith'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think the biggest problem for are small minds (compared to the container) is the we want to understand the nature of the container. We can't, to do so we would have to be extra-natural, which we can't be, by definition. So we can't perceive a container where existence can't be measured. We use things like "eternal" to describe the container, but that's because we have a "time" sense, not an attribute likely to be had by the container. If we can give human traits to the container for a moment, we can say that it is not concerned about how long it has existed, that is meaningless to it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but pretending to know just how far the container can go is not a useful idea'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just have to keep stretching it, and if it is good then keep it good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how you focus the act of maximizing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is the biggest cause of godliness. The eternity of the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as far as eternal goes, you say, I will get as big as I can forever, even if my meat doesn't last that long, if it did, I would keep working it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there must be a god because something must have constructed the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is an idea of commitment, more than an objective concept to quibble about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you will get all you can, when you aim that infinite loop in that direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the idea that the container has always existed boggles the mind, literally. But if the container was built, who built the builder?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the builder was built at the same time as the container'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and so, the builder and the container are one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OM'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nice job there :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the container people're using today in the form of this stuff here is going to end in death'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this isn't regulated to this here that we're doing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and since time is not a factor, the container is now as it ever was and will ever be and it is still in its moment of creation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you are seeing time in a truly practical manner :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, the objective qualities are still there if you ever want to examine them...logic isn't excluded, as we've seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you exclude nothing, this is how you see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does address the problem nicely. But that follows from the idea that data paths are static.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'working the idea to find the crux of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all roads lead to OM'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can imagine that the container is located and some N+1 dimension. View from that vantage, the container is absolutely static.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a mathematical sense, yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as static as the people pictured on a photograph.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think more like a timeline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you hindu cambodia?  i seen om'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even though they might seem to be in motion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the timeline is static from the eyes of an ultimate witness'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, what you work into your future regardness is part of it as well'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so on your end, you work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and on "God"'s end, it has been written'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so free will and predestination are both two sides of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'neither one is false'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the future is just is reference to our configuration. What it really seems to be is the endpoint of over the summation of all the data paths we have explored.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but all you have to worry about is getting it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let the timeline be what it will'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'quite predictable, actually. If we could  remember all our choices.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'have faith in God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ooh that must sting a little :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you try to control the world around you, and don't relinquish the fact that this world controlled your mother and father and humanity before you can data path them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe they are all in your brain, not necessarily in memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the problem, just being in control of the ignorant and knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, the "world" is the sum total of all the interactions within.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'certain of your patterns are how they are because of events that you don't remember as memory, but if you investigate your own patterns with discipline, you can see how they got there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you can "regain" memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe not absolutely perfectly every moment, but it is a sort of asymptote that you can hew to with a surprising closeness, if you really work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, by the time you analyze the path the future will have already happened. I do believe that the future is properly encoded in the present, we are just not built to perceive it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as a drummer, I have to have an expanded time sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to perceive the past and future as I play in the moment'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to manipulate what I will play based on what is being played'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is in a way the art of it summed up nicely at blues jam night, with beer and music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, but when you do expand your sense you switch modalities, you use a different configuration which doesn't help you, for instance, to avoid getting run over by a car while crossing the street.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nah, you pay attention on the street to everything, and you look into the future'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the more you pay attention to the moment, the farther off you can see'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the easier you can move through the traffic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that some people try to recover lost cambodian treasure and things in mekong river though, that's science - i have nothing against science, it's just when science denies the spiritual presence of themselves and the unknown that it bothers me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if your mind is weak, your instinct will save you, but if you take some of the stress off of the instinct, you can think better'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'modalities don't co-exist, you are in either one or some other.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that whole thing, Chemosh, will have to be worked out in the future...that will take time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the follow different rules of manipulation of data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are commonalities I believe, certain activities which encompass more "broad" commonalities'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'those can be learned of, and applied in smaller forms throughout your life'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like my drumming, everything in life has a rhythm as well as the music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious of rhythm is being conscious of movement and time, which can be applied to many things'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but playing the music is one of the most pure, fun ways to practice a widely applicable skill'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmmm, if you suddenly begin to sense an far event while you are shaving you will almost certainly cut yourself. If you concentrate on shaving you will not perceive the far event.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no there is a middle ground there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn how to find a fine line'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'part of you perceives the future, part of you is shaving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think so. A middle ground implies that you are not really doing either well.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'obviously, shaving is more important there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you have shaving down, as long as you are doing it right, if you have extra mental energy, you can poke around in the future or past a bit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the most bare practical point here is how important it is that you don't cut yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in this case a minor nuisance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you were defusing a bomb to save lives, you would probably just tell the future to fuck off and defuse the bomb'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'however...honing your future sense means that you can see the "pockets" where the other part of time doesn't need to be worried about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, you know that nothing important is going to happen in the next 20 minutes, so you can just focus right on cutting the green wire'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO NOT THE GREEN WIRE!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia smiles happily.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the far-seeing modality is wired differently than the cognitive modality required for shaving. The habit of shaving is punctuated by a burnt path, and if you can usually see far events, that also would be a burnt data path, they cannot run in parallel because they would then be the same path.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no many paths operate simultaneously in the mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'my parallel I mean, the same burnt channel.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man you are a workout for my logic but I am going to keep up here :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the brain actually has many different sections that operate simultaneously, I have found'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, parallelism is the key to how the brain works, this precludes different modality from co-existing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one part grumbles about work while the other methodically serves the food'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'another part appreciates the hot chick who walked into the restaurant'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious is a constant practice of balancing them all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that I cannot tell you how to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would seem that they were overlapping, but what is really happening is that you are vacating one modality for the other, and then switching back. In a case where you are trying to related to a far event that thread would be lost.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'What you do is based on what portions of the brain are being used.  You cannot, for example, rotate your left wrist in a clockwise fashion and at the same time rotate your right ankle in a counterclockwise fashion because the same parts of the brain are being used to control both movements.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure you can hans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ohhh I see what you are saying here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, try it.  You'll find you're not actually doing them at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one processing center, though admittedly, there is much parellelism.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you can only consciously hold one part in your mind, the back of it is parallel, but the part you control is serial'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so even if you are doing both at the same time, you are switching between and sacrificing one for the other because of the nature of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is that right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only modality when can consciously control is the cognitive one, the others, by their nature, are spontaneous.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, you can consciously operate multiple parts at a time, dependant on which components of each task are being used.  If Component A of Task X is already being used in Task M, you cannot do Task X at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes, as a drummer I control 4 things at once'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a wiring of instinct'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one part is in the front of your mind and the other ones operate in the back'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can learn how to manipulate the "back" part'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not the same as being all up front with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a tricky thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have to be related. A mystic in a trance can't be aware of driving a car. He is either aware of his current mysticism or he isn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, no, that is a strange muscle that can be worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'subtle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you drive the car in a trance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a hard one to talk about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the modality views the container in a different manner. So you can't mix modalities.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just learn that the part of you that is "focusing" is one part of your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a modality is a way of connecting data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the part that isn't focusing, you work in a different way, that isn't about "normal" conscious effort'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like singing along to the radio while driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if one is going to be sacrificed, it's the radio'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you focus on the driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic for instance, views the container without regarding it as a metric. So in that modality you can't drive a car which requires awareness of  time and space.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but when the focus is good, you can sing along also, so when you have confidence in the focus, you can expand it a bit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that was strictly true, there'd be no accidents. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a real psychic, knowing time and space, focuses it in a normal manner when driving because that is what works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'knowing that you can get the other extreme when you need it, you just don't worry...wait till you get home to do your psychic thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the meta art of managing space and time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic modality can't measure, it sees all positions in the container as being one. That is how a psychic can acquire knowledge that conventional would deny. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet there is an order to events that must be understood in order to actually work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can see your day on a timeline, and then you still have to get up and go to work etc., in a linear fashion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic doesn't know when is the perception or where.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn to "peek" at the timeline, imprint what you see, and then forget it and be normal'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too, takes practice...it's a very exhausting thing working your space time perception like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only be switching to cognitive modality and analyzing its memory it can arrive at a locative conclusion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being psychic isn't about having no logic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but during the event it was not aware.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's about using that "timeless" sense to inform and enrich the sequential practice of events'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'during the event it was not explicitly focusing on the timeline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, if you could see it all, and then you had to forget it, you could leave little post its to yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'agreed, all I am saying that while under a psychic configuration the mind cannot perceive time or space, therefore it cannot drive a car.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like you see your day, you say, 2:00, brain, remind me to go to the dentist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you forget your all seeing vision, do your day, then it gets to 2, you think, shit I need to go to the dentist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you do, you already do that, but being conscious of where that all comes from is what it is about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the end, you still do your day the same way as before, but you know how to manipulate those cues'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's not being psychic. I do that all the time. In fact, I use the trick of  counting down the seconds until the "alarm" goes off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, being psychic is like being an athlete'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's included in the cognitive modality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just enhancing a faculty that we all have, to a point where you get good enough and people say, "you're psychic"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when did this turn into the fantasy channel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not separate'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a long time ago sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious of it, though, means that you can utilize it, which takes practice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not easy, and it doesn't matter if you are "psychic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just knowing how to mix the timeline with the performance is something that you practice and use'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I agree. Athletes operate on a different modality, in fact, mastering of a series of movements forms a modality, though a limited one. We call that "second nature".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'makes your day smoother'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but being athletic, where I would call you an athlete'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is the same faculty that we all have (moving our body), only much more enriched'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning how to harness all of these properties that the mind can have, and use them harmoniously to do more, is being a "psychic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but even if you are a master driver you still need relational input, which you can't accept during a non-cognitive episode.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, so you don't have an episode when you are driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have the episode, then get in your car and drive like a normal person'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn to trust the faculty even if you aren't staring right at it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, which was my point.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they still blend, just not in a sense that you "see" them blending'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't look like that to you when you do it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nevertheless, it is being done'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a tricky one to swallow but possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it's a fluctuation not a blend.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whichever way you want to see it that makes them work harmoniously and practically is the right way'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have my own way of working with it which isn't relevant to you, just that the concept is practiced'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'use your own words for your own brain to get the result'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just can't accept that you can accept non-metric data while performing an act based on metric information. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it doesn't *look* like accepting it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it looks like...inspiration? I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really this is a very subtle point of practice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it gets slippery at this level'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'words start to sort of fall apart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I myself, play dreams and images when I am playing music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how, in my brain, I manage the two poles of this thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Spreading more words of wisdom, Camb?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we are really talking about, it takes some contemplation so...all good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that if you accept a non-metric event while driving a car you will be lucky to survive the experience. Though the non-metric event can't be measure in space-time, the cognitive part of the configuration will make it short-lived in the interests of self-preservation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hopefully'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying that there is a way to do it, but you don't *do* it explicitly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only you can't even think of it as that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at this point, the concept, and to speak of it as it is done by people, the languages dont even resemble each other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is one of those things that can't really be spoken of yet is possible, only because of the nature of language and thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you're in it, you're in it, and I know, and no confirmation is needed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, ok, I accept "blend" to mean that the non-metric event occurs spontaneously and it can happen while one is in a cognitive modality. With the caviat that the cognitive modality is vacated during the event, even if the time of the vacation is not measurable. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you are still seeing the two poles of perception (linear and non-metric) as opposites with no middle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying, there is a middle and it defies description in any meaningful sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, I can't agree with that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the experience cannot be meaningfully conveyed from me to you by words'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that's OK'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Did I just read someone say they can't agree with Cambodia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum faints.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would require, in my opinion, to have multiple minds.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh come on Dak, that's not out of line'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the proof may be in the pudding someday'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have had the experience myself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a conversational setting like this it becomes difficult to talk about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but...that's the game'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when the shit gets Zen, words get slippery'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and while in a zen modality you can't drive a car either :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'playing improv music is a great way to find the joining point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now that is definitely not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'zen is the joining point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which you say can't be true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I say can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and which words cannot settle, only direct experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, we are limited by words'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the topic will probably have to remain up in the air, believed by both of us as we will, until such time as a mind is changed, or whatever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but honestly you are a good debater'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have acquired some proficiency in ballroom dancing, I do things that if I thought about would land me or my partner on the floor face down. I can't imagine devoting my perception to a psychic event while maneuvering about the floor. I am disconnected from other modalities while engaging in the act. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there you go'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is where it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are disconnected'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not thinking of one or the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is my point, I am bound by that modality, and therefore I can't  operate in another at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no that is where you aren't bound'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you really don't care'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are dancing with her and it all flows naturally'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and this conversation is the last thing on your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I am getting at'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point doesn't look like the point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are just in it and don't try to look for it, you find it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by the way I really want to take dance classes someday'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that must be fun ballroom dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are claiming that I am doing some sort of time slice processing. I think that the processing is compelled to remain in one modality for successful completion, if in the middle  of the act I interrupt the processing to do something else, the current task will fail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, even subtler'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am claiming that you thinking about the act and talking about it right now is not how it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what you are seeing now is not the nature of how it actually works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are dancing with your partner is how it actually works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree with that,I am in a cognitive modality, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you aren't doing it is when you are doing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the level we are speaking of'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your schematic that you are looking at as you type in this conversation is not it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when the music hits and you go, is it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'perhaps dancing is a bad example since its processing becomes mostly ganglial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was actually a great example'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm glad you brought it up'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but proficiency means bypassing the use of the main processor.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the point of the koans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the main processor isn't the end all be all, even though when you use it it seems like it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the way to balance it is to learn how to forget about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but in a modality where you must perceive data, data which is not connected in a cognitive way, you can't perform cognitive tasks.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the processor is important'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to learn how to see everything, and then forget everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, then, you can't listen to one hand clapping while dancing :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that wouldn't be zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just dance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's my point!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and while you are dancing, you are listening'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even though you aren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you don't care and don't have to'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if the heard a fire alarm I would  most likely trip.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I eat babies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's because of the nature of how the processor looks to you when you use it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hopefully you are paying attention'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos passes Dakrum the ketchup.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too is zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I wonder how they taste. Like any other human?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I would suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like pig apparently'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Hmm. Not bad. I may try it someday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just don't agree to your claim to parallelism, one cognitive state voids the other.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you see, when you look cognitively, it seems like how it all is really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there is a whole other world in not being cognitive'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'BUT...the cognitive mind tells you that they are separate'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and THAT is still the cognitive mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you aren't out of it with that thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree with that :) I did bring up the notion of modality, after all :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you ARE out of it when you are dancint'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'THAT is how you manage the two halves'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am out of the cognitive modality, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people spend years trying to not try to try to not try to master that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's fucking hard, I find that beer helps'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am not thinking about the properties of the container, for instance. If I started doing that my dancing would suffer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the container is in the cognitive mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, it is, or at least, its analysis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it takes a lot of practice with introspection and observation to master this level'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes, the act of analyzing it is the pole'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the act of being in it is the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that there is really one modality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and when you don't even give a shit one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you are in the middle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning how to manage them is soooooooooo very subtle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you mean by "not giving a shit" that you lack awareness of your modality, I agree.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you try to be subtle, you lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you try not to lose, you lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you can let your processor yammer in your ear and still appreciate your girl as you dance, then maybe you've won'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you try to win, you've lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I could go on unfortunately'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that the processing center accepts the cognitive modality as default. So that other modalities are functional intrusions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, the nature of the processor goes way deeper than you speak of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually managing the two sides of your brain'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is a feat'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you never master'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we love you anyways, so you don't need to'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I speaking schematically, I don't think that the processor is localized.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ohhh ohhh getting colder!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I must be playful now in order to help you further'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tell me more about your dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, I have a very consistent view of how it all works. I admit that the map is not  the territory, but as long as the map works...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you have a girlfriend who dances with you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or do you just find partners?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which dance do you *really* know?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at the moment I don't have a steady partner. But I did have one once, and she was my girlfriend. We learned together.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that must have been fun'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was a blast :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shit yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I bet after you danced like pros, you went back home and really danced'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we would walk in a club and dominate it :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia enthusiastically high-fives Undertaken Anaristos!
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what was your dance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is much to be said for moving to music.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh God yes I fucking love music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like my profession'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we learned ballroom dancing. As it turns out, that allows you to dance to 95% of all dance music.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whenever girls are dancing on the floor to our blues, I watch them, and play to them so that they can dance better'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'real subtle adjustments you know?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean like the waltz or what?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could  go  to Tennessee, California or New York and look good :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, did you ever win an award?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, we could dance to a waltz. It's all in the underlying beatl 3 ,6 or a syncopated 8 beats.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah the blues goes on 12/8, I know that feel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since a waltz is 3 beats, it's a cinch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to learn the tango'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the steps are all variations of the same fundamentals.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the pattern is simple'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Tango required some modifications but the underlying training served us well.  We could do it,  but we weren't that flashy :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but once you pick up a few of the basic patterns, you can kind of improvise'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, that's how it worked. We heard the music and we danced and the steps  just worked  out.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man, I started playing out and I had to think so hard about what I was playing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now, I just love a drunk blues jam night and play it, and don't even have to think of shit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you hit it good it's so good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most dance steps are based on the 3-step system. So for instance, if you took a movie of Fred and Ginger and turned the sound off and played some western swing music they would look in sync.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we would watch old movies for ideas :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you could, like, dance in your favorite movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'watch them, and then go there and actually be them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, we practiced like that all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Dance with me was one of our favorite movies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man that is really awesome'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously I am just imagining all of the fun you had'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to learn the latin dances'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are SPICY!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we used to go to really out of the way places to dance, too. Once went to this place where everyone was over 60 :) We had a ball.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would say "show me that" and we would say "ok, you show us that" :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The truth was that in Los Angeles we were considered just a bit above average, but if we went to places like Seattle, they would think we were the gods descended :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Seattle is a bit full of itself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole grunge thing inflated its ego and it may not ever get over that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a great place if you don't mind the drizzle :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I lived there for a long long time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in fact, I practically grew up there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I moved recently but that is my old stomping grounds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I considered moving there, the rain did finally kill the idea, though. I just thought I would end up seriously depressed. I noticed that drinking was a favorite sport there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Denver knows how to get fucked up though, of all of the places I've been'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I spent some time in Olympia, too. That was very, very educational :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'educational?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there were to places where people hung out in Olympia (Lacey and Tumwater included) work and the bar :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well olympia is not that cool really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'during the weekend people would drive in from as far as Portland to party.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why in the hell would you drive from Portland to party I wonder'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, but I had to do some work in Fort Louis, so it was an good place to stay.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'trust me, the weekend was an uninterrupted  orgy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then I missed out'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Portland has more strip clubs per capita than any city in the US'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the females outnumber the males in the tri-city area 3 to 2.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if you had a y-chromosome you were treated rather well :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know what, I lived in Seattle for like 25 years, and no one ever mentioned that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'retards'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I found that the two cities didn't really like each other :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's so dumb, now that I've been a lot of places, because there are so much awesomer places than Seattle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I wasn't looking for intellectual stimulation, at all!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just made some dance moves and the rest was history, as they say. They would even get into arguments about who would be my next partner :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and the those who came from Portland were women, not men :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I wonder why the ratio is like that there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I never knew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh,that's easy. That's the seat of  government, most government employees there were secretaries.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'huh'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and why would you get a government job if not to hire hot female secretaries?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'To hire hot male secretaries.  That's what I'd do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly. Not only hot, though not all of them, but with a minority of males around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'assuming a straight male sexual orientation, no one excluded'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their libido was rather high :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I never met a guy man in Olympia. Though I am sure they existed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well these days everywhere is friendly really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I live in Louisville right now, and there seems to be a lot of lesbians here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more than gay men for some reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's kind of artsy for this neck of the woods though so that might have something to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I guess some cities just have different make-ups. Personally, I think Olympia was odd in the way the women behaved. Reminded me of some of those movies with amazons in them :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where they'd just take a man and forcibly "rape" him?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a place to take your girlfriend, I assure you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not that bad. But they would mark their territory in obvious ways. Just the opposite of what you would expect in bars in other cities.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'never seen a city that was female dominated'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'next time you are in Washington, you know where to go, then. As long as the government is in session, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am definitely not going to overlook Olympia ever again for sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we never thought twice about it back when I was in Seattle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or once even'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Psychics caused it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would never have gone there had I not had to, and I am glad that I did.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why did chris rock call the other guy a nazi in that hollywood movie?  while nazi's are even not said by their jewish reporters as being racist against black people?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that chris rock, needs some education'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think he was wrong, Chemosh. Nazis just didn't put Jews in concentration camps, they did that to other minorities, too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'significantly, they did it to gypsies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you were there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's just that Jews were the overwhelming majority.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi were invented after world war 2 ended by the KGB monkey side'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I got the T-shirt'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they burned all records of their criminal involvement and implications never reach the shores of public thought after their dissolution in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '"I saw the horrifying deeds of the Nazi Empire and all I got was this stupid fucking T-shirt"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not going to debate whether the Holocaust took place or not, Chemosh. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi lives in chile'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chile is the enemy to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whether it took place'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've seen some people call that fake'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'have they never talked to the Jewish families?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews prosecuting 91 year old men in quebec accused of being nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that would mean that the Stasi and the CIA worked together. Since the CIA engineered the overthrow and murder of Allende.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do they think that they all just made up their relatives disappearing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'under kgb evidence released in 2007, newly found!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the zog conspiracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jew idiots, leave our grandfathers alone'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '91yo would be a reasonable age for a living war criminal at this time :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know, honestly, I have a Nazi relative'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'He died in a "car accident".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he was a Nazi lawyer, there might even be a movie made about him'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't, but my family is royals from germany'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where did he die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war of 1917 is what we're about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually we aren't sure if he was a relative, but the last name is not that common and the probability is high'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I forget, his last name was Stuckart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he lobbied for the "forced sterilization" of the Jews, instead of their execution'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so he was a slightly kinder version of fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the med flies would agree that was tantamount to extermination :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet somehow that was a finer point in the Nazi philosophy at the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fear nothing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, he was merciful compared to the whole thing, but still a fucked up person compared to the rest of humanity'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the jews or the kgb i can kill them all if i want'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would you say that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because he was still killing Jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just in a more underhanded, seemingly less painful way'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a godite, i'm a faithful angel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I was asking Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have been drinking, too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'god who the fuck doesn't drink on here?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you don't, you're not getting the full effect :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about that :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't immortalize peoples is all, i can kill myself now if i try, i can go out and kill anybody within 3000 miles of me too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm north korea's jesus missile'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I like drinking and aarding'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except i'm not a communist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hand in hand my friend'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true for anyone, but I am just wondering why you are saying that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'communist? wtf is a communist?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause jews are racist against my life and i hate them for it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if it's only their master, quit following that master or fall with him'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'accusing Jews of being racist is being racist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't turn the asshole to injustice and say fuck me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you have to fight me for my ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then there might not be any me in the corpse as you fuck it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just keep a jar or petroleum jelly handy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'accusing someone who accuses Jews of being racist as being racist is being racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, any attributing behavior as a function of the gene pool is racist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fight people cause i'd kill them if i started'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending what they are to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please calm down, Chemosh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I know how to fight'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not worked up, darlin'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every fight that comes my way is already won'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I have no reason to prove shit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so let's get drunk'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I go and get a cigarette'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're all cool but I'd kick your asses so hard :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes is intelligence and you can kill anybody in 1 strike'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would engage in an existential analysis of fighting but I have a lot to do the next 3 months :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instinctual survival can put you in jail for life'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can go to jail even if you don't do anything, so...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much of their actions is what they are right there and how much is real?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see your jewish judges, i can defeat moses'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'ALl you need to do is to land on that nasty corner square. Or get super "lucky" and roll 3 consecutive doubles.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas sighs.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm jehovah's wendigo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Once you realize that criminal trials are nothing but a contest between opposing camps with only a loose relationship to the accused, everything makes sense.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want me to be'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can put force into the fight forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't fuck around and don't get fucked'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, good advise, Chemosh, but there are times when I don't mind :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course, faust proved things were wrong through negativity too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's your faith to remove your actions from your god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Faust was a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he should have remember that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'TANSTAAFL :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, go to jail for not doing anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll try and kill anybody who tries that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need permission to go to the bathroom, Dakrum.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum guns it to the restroom.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if navy seals or marines are what they send on me or some other special forces i should just be out in the wild killing people i think are them right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I wanted to kill people on a list for certain reasons. But instead, what's better than just a few victims? Joining the military and getting paid to kill whatever they command you to or whatever you "keep yourself alive"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have never subscribed the idea that if a group is after me I should harm another unrelated group.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'to*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the military would be better if it worked for me, cause i know who's a real threat and who's not'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they think they know, too. Which it really all that matters. I mean, the dead won't argue that they were mistakenly chosen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'd rather be dead than alive. I really don't care.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's nothing in common between they think they know and me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter, Chemosh. The result would be the same and, as I said, the dead won't complain that they were mistakenly chosen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's people dying right now for a lie'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and because it's the honorable thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum falls down laughing.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what does their choice have to do with me?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's people killing them, because of the same reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your reason transcends satan so i guess you're ok'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Where the fuck did satan come from in this?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Satan would not try to kill me, if he existed :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Lmfao!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok folks gotta pick my friend up from work'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'kill nazis or whatever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have a nice trip :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you too :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a nazi '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tell me what i think'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'PSYCHICS DID IT'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a monkey that hates to throw too much poo but has too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not as shallow as i know your picture of thought is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think being, or wanting to be, a nazi is a waste of time. Just about every ideology that humans have come up has been shown to be worthless eventually.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess you are above me, being the wall-walker and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry if you are angry with me, Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You walk on walls Anar?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've been known to bump a few, but walk them? No.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just fine, i was thinking of how my enemies want to burn me in a furnace and performe mendele experimentation upon me with some mutilation torture death'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't want to do that to you :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe chop my brain into pieces like a butcher and feed it to their god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'If you want Chemosh, I'd be happy to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Headcrusher, The Rack or the Wall?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever, i'll just wait until the time is right and kill'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I need a direct answer. If you want someone to torture you before murder, say yes. If not, then I won't do it. Plenty of other that'll volunteer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll kill you before you can kill me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Dakrum on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum shakes Chemosh's hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'll take that challenge.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys should lay off whatever you are drinking or smoking...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Sober.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then you should have better sense than to talk like that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Talk like how?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'In English?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but drunk, they're not all like me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'about harming someone.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some nazi's are really friendly people'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'nazis'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Don't act as if it's new to you. Happens everyday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'People are getting murdered right now or at least talking about it. Tell them something.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'come on jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we have to get our differences over with'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I watched the boy in the striped pajamas just yesterday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can fight and whoever wins goes into a furnace'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am quite aware of what's going on. I just don't find  killing for its own sake a topic for discussion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'And why is that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Would you prefer drugs or the topic of good ol' "life" ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'full awareness helps'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't view killing as a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Rofl how can killing be a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas points all around at Aardwolf MUD.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'pol pot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was a french invention, and the nazi's hated them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'its furious'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'vietnam might be socialist.. that's a god of the failed america'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'killing someone just for the hell of it can only be explained as killing being a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Who ever said I would kill someone for the hell of it? Chemosh didn't even say that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I agree with you. THAT is wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Though no one was talking about that particular "reason" of murder.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the person who france sent to iran to lead them was also a french invention, who caused treatise against iran in 1978 - 1982'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bullshit, Chemosh. What the US labels as socialist is actually a euphemism for an unwillingness to kiss its ass.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'any country who refuses to join the loose US Empire is labeled as socialist or communist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  that's true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anti-semitism is the arguement against all common western sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I will remind you that Hoh Chih Minh was democratically elected, and that his government was recognized by the US. Before the French asked the CIA to help them get French Indochina back, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, why trust a government of traitors?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'focus on somebody real instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mentioned that he was democratically elected to underline that it was bullshit to claim  that the US went into Viet Nam to halt the spread  of communism.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the usa has no grounds for it's actions except a jew told them where to go'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even so, why didn't the US ever attack the Soviet Union? I mean, one would think that if Commuism was so vile, destroying the USSR would be the logical thing to do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada does the same, as everything else is an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with jews causing all of this , can a guy really blame hitler for burning them in ovens?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, one could.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was just trying to make sense out of it all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What did jews cause.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and his simple mind couldn't reason out your crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'next you are going to say that since blacks refuse to return to the plantations they should be exterminated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american kkk members weren't nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean there are different types of fascisms?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, some's nationalized, like israel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews ran the banks in europe since 1500'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's 500 years and counting'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, that's proof that they're racist mongrels that should be ignored until they insist and then destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you don't mind one or two families running the US oil. So you are not making your point. If you want to rail against monopolies that's fine. But to single out one monopoly based on race...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'run for my life, i can hunt down all of yours instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll support islam until it decimates jerusalem'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it's not going to convert me to allah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's going to be not my belief, and that's how it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, so since you approve the hunting of Jews based on the fact that they are Jews, do you also approve of hunting any group just because they are part of that group? Should "whites" (whatever the fuck that is) should be exterminated? I mean, it can be shown that members of that race have caused great harm to the world at one time or another.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fuck your jew god is what i'm saying, i'm not a jew and receive no benefits from it's worship'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'neither in this world or the next'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where did you get the idea that you were bound by the Jewish religion?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'go back to singing your racist songs...i like that better *Grin'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, the Jews don't have a god, they borrowed it from the Arabs :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews support the hunting of german's based on that they're germans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they believe their genocide to be genetic, and maybe it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except it's because they're gonna die'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, though I am sure that some Jews feel as you claim, Nazi war criminals are actively sought because there is no statue of limitation on their crimes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'statue*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh , and the us soldiers in the apache helicopter and the other 'unclassified footage' received good justice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oops, satute* :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just shooting some random civilians like a nazi war criminal shooting some reporters'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are mixing your video clips, Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just doing their jobs like a israeli soldier running over a woman from washington in 2001'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she was in the way of the job or progress of christ of lords, and they was running in the right wrong direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know about an Israeli soldier doing that, but even so, assuming that it is true, what does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it has to do with stephen harper's visit with the kgb's jew group in canada for one thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'puppet Zionist Occupational Government'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"Zionist Occupational Government"?!  I remember reading about that.  '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the KGB was not a lover of Jews, so your claim doesn't hold water. The USSR was just a bit less active toward the Jews than the Nazis were.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It was much better in the original German.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stalin's daughter was married to a jew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he hated jews of christ of lord'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Stalin hated Jews, but what does that have to do with his daughter?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin probably was a jew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we all have a bit of everyone else's gene pool. There is no pure race.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm more or less purely human, with genetic pools in white-land'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the niggers butcher white refugees in tanzania witchcraft'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you call the white  race, is actually a collection of mugrels.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the jews attempt to run the whole world with guilt'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mutts :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove your albino negroes are where i came from'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then say evolution is a lie and i'm not superior'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'albino is a condition has nothing to do with what gene pool one belongs to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'When der Fuerer says ve is de master race, ve Heil, ve Heil, all over der Feurer's face.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not many sectors of the world that racists couldn't take control of if they want'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hitler was certainly a mutt. And Aryan is actually Indo European, as in Persian.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your mockery is only a joke of yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't take my genetic makeup seriously, if that is what you mean.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'There were no white people in Europe before 1492.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know I am a mutt :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or, as J.K. Rowling would say, a "mudblood." :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestor was white in 900 ad, as was portrayals of jesus christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jewish people are white'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just hate non-jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Couldn't be.  There were no "white people" in 900AD.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'JC was not white, by today's standards. He was a brown skinned as anyone being born in that part of the world at that time was.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the blue eyes, really have to go :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I believe today we would call Jesus "Palestenian."'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they called him that then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'blonde hair blue eyes sounds like something kgb jews would invent after world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it is actually'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The Jews in the KGB invented blonde hair?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the jews ripping off holocaust funds in germany in wall street and toronto'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He was Palestinian and spoke Arameic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh yeah i was a victim they say, but they weren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever you say, your life is made of flesh and can be destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That sounded suspiciously like a death threat.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, Chemosh. The Holocaust may or may not have happened. I can't testify either way because I was not there. However, there are people alive today who were alive then, the overwhelming majority says it happened. Those who say it didn't don't seem to be sufficient high character for me to consider their opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts at himself.  Better him than you.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the obvious is threatening'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the 78 kills per aryan on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that should take care of the maggot populations'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil norway'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are no Aryans left, Chemosh, they vanished about 2000 years.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can acheive our potential once again'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, rather, their gene pool was severely diluted :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they, i'm just a half-breed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part russian'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, white skin evolved about 8k years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, got some leather?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the western march through Europe :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never hated jewish people without cause of them hating me first'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they all know you, personally.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their soul does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the "Aryans" were such a superior race, they wouldn't have gotten there buts kicked by the Tuskeegee airmen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fight the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're corrupt with you, we'll jump once you do at eachother'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I really don't know where Hitler picked up the idea of Aryans. Whoever turned him on to the term, misinformed him.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Actually, he called them "Herrenvolk"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white-nationalism is a good thing, like the niggers in africa and the jews in jewland and the chinamen in chinaland'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are out of control, Chemosh. I am sorry to hear you say those things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rainbow nations are all puppet stringed by the ZOG'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're not diverse, only jewly serving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Hate to be the one to break it to you, but a multicultural society will defeat an aparhtid society every time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys are a superior race.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'multicultural is a supplication to the will of the masses anyways, if their will was in affect then they wouldn't be listening to their governmetn which is a tool of the racist governments'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a white man and am not a nigger'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not a jew either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'donkeys smell like fart and steal your women.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, no, no... donkeys are a superior CLASS.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt that describe vikings also ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my mom was a viking'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, vikings smell like victory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be napalm.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women aren't interested in napalm, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, a viking who doesn't smell like victory...died.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was in montreal last night with my grandparents, and 300 hells angels with a few mafia don's showed up at our apartment, they stabbed my grandparents in the face, grandma and grandpa, and stole a don's jacket who resisted them, blood on it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'several times, i walked away but i didn't stop to fight them forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you should try it sometime, see how you are once you know how they are'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'My cousin is a Viking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or, as they like to call themselves these days, "Danish."'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mine's a hells angel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this division in forces was just a unlikely experience that is conceptual - but real to the person who lived through it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a dreamer you see, i have no quarrels with insanity'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Clearly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys love tacos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i got their backs'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'blood for blood'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody touches my immediate family even in dreams, and i automatically hunt them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yours, or theirs?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in reality i have endless connections, from US senators to chinese monks'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'http://bit.ly/JQMeuq'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you must be god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'We are God, and we are many!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Either that, or Satan.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not kidding, i like people to think of reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I reject your reality and substitute my own.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i accept yours and my own too'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not even serious about most of that, except kiss my ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was i'd be out doing something about it daily'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only ass I'll kiss is Vince McMahon's.  The rest of you, I've got only two words for you...SUCK IT!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda gives you a defiant crotch chop!
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kgb ukrainian governmetn for the lection'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you all figure you know if you're an angel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm like reverse video on some evil visions and it bugs me when people talk about things sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i had in mind's the only thing that made the kcats special from all the other things i killed'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'animal separation'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'what about ANAL separation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'weird, you talk about angels.. radio alarm turns on.. mentions angels.  i'm scared'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the angles won today 2-1'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'which angle is that, 30 degrees?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: '42 degrees'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had strange things happen to me too said fucked up stuff, but don't be affraid of all that if it's real, i was asking people who possibly know about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'i know what you mean chemosh.  does it being real or not make any impact on your life?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind conquers and doesn't be a slave, so yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'thats all you can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'nmake it what you want it to be'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have any shadow of grace to save me from reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'haha, i know right.  seeing things clearly is more painful than good'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good is painful'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'if all you can see is the eventual demise.. well life sucks eh'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for me it does, you live it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's a way of seeing how i see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'i am similar to you, seeing crazy things all my life.  yes im crazy.  but im notthe only one'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also claimed allegiance to the aryan race and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'oh you are also aryan? yes its part of being who we are ithink'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause i'm not jewish and i leave all doors open to possibility'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lol you said JEW'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, if i'm tormented on account of jewish racism then i'll become a neo-nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'say the n word again...that had me rolling'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and discriminating between targets will become a figment of my imagination, which may or may not be accurate'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black person'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler gasps in astonishment.
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'they upset me dearly *girn'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and if you arent in america you wouldnt understand'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all i experienced of black people in my country are they tried to kill my grandmother, and they gave over 120 women hiv from one cfl football player'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'sounds about right'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to explain the virtues of your black culture then go ahead, because i can destroy you'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i will if you provoke me enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'me?  i hate black ppl rofl'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cracker please!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just the dumb ones i suppose'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I killed Treyvon'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'NINJA PLEASE'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american indians are off my target list and chinese people so far'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have no reason to attack them, but these others?  they own every kill i feed them'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea at least Chinese actually contribute to society...unlike the other race that dominates welfare'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im just tired of getting behind some fatass wefare N in the grocery line (happened again today) and they have to hold up the line because one of the items they bought wasn't covered by the food stamps so they have to go back and get the right brand of cheese etc while my ass is held up just wanting to buy my 12pk of beer and get the hell out'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'all the while knowing im paying for that bitches groceries'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, so you hate the welfare while you eat the money of the rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'so she can go home and feed her fatass more icecream and get preggers again'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's funny when you consider that they got away with over 870 billion of your dollars since 3 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'dont remind me or ill have to go get more high...'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'BUZZKILL'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't criticize poor people if you're not rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you are then i have an explaination for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im above average bc i studied in school and made good grades, got my degree, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then be masterful and figure out where that 870 billion dollars went'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i couldnt get the awesome loans and grants others get bc my family was middle income, not poor, not rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd teach you if i was a real teacher and owned a real school'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'buy my loser cousin gets his whole education paid for while we are still making payments'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i definately put more effort into contributing to life than most of the other sponges i see around me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd see through your face though, and you wouldn't come to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your soul is example of what i hate, and your quarrel over 870 billion jokes is god to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wins all fights from jews to arabs'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'uh huh...so um...you lost me again'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im not high enough for this....just sayin''
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'brb *wink'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '<-- looking for jews to assist in redefining aryan cultural identity'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3000 jokes!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i hate the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul attracted a sizeable crowd at UT this week'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'John Stewart attracted a bigger crown when he spoke.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who that is'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Exactly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apples and oranges though'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to compare draws for political rallies with draws for political rallies'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise i might as well say "ahh well, Manchester United draw 72,000 every week for their games, Obama couldn't draw that"'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsensical'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It doesn't matter.  What Ron Paul CAN'T draw is votes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on the other hand, you could point out that MU doesn't charge 35K for their tickets :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they almost do'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chaosultra: 'hello'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you know everything in the dictionary, do you know everything?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it better to have loved and lost, or never to have loved at all?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do you think that i'd have an easier time dating a catholic girl or a garderian wiccan type girl that talks almost endlessly about crystals?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, if you're in love with Cheetos, then better to have never loved at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'AND, its easy to tell if im left or right handed, but what about left or right footed?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage hmmn, i dont like cheetos... thankfully'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'One game of kickball will answer questions of footedness. Me, I'm left handed and right footed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, so footedness is next'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ill find a kickball game to try later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what else was there. oh. rhavage. the girl'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Go with the Catholic girl. Maybe I only say that because I grew up Catholic and understand them more easily. Wiccans are too dreamily mystical for me.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah. well i'm mostly a pisces i think, so maybe mystical might be fun to try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i didnt know you grew up catholic though'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, yeah, somebody had to. I was raised by nuns, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cool. i met a nun once.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she was very genteel, and took extra effort to listen to every word i said, before speaking in reply'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh heh. I met 'em every school day for 13 years ;)'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kind of the opposite to the sort of people i'm used to, who all talk at once'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage, cool.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my schoolteachers were mostly old women, some of whom still wore younger womens clothes'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I have very fond memories of the nuns, I have to say. Many of my schoolmates hated 'em with a passion, but I liked 'em.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage well, they seem nice enough, but i dont think i'd want to date one'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Probably a wise decision, that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nod, better to focus my efforts on girls that actually care about non kenosis'd men.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Isn't this where a 'getting into the habit' joke goes?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe, but i dont know such things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh oh. What's kenosis?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kenosis, it's this greek originating phrase used to describe the process by which a fully god son of god can become fully man at the same time'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'basically its like becoming reduced/lessened'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'compare it to the word used when a catholic priest gets removed from the cloth'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Seems to me we've got a historical example of that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but basically, most nuns only care about god.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then everybody else for his sake... ya know'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Defrocked?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'right, defrocked is like 'being reduced''
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i do believe that the reductive terminology is still used by the actual priests'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Rhavage's question.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'More like being demoted, I'd think. Or even expelled.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, thankfully, the roman catholics have a centralized set of rules/codes to follow for such things'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it makes it really easy to read up on, its available in latin and english on their website'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it might be avaialble in additional languages, but those're the only two i checked'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage but basically, the general idea is that if a member of the clergy is reduced to a member of the laity, that its not a desirable thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If I read your original description of kenosis, I'd think that it applies pretty neatly to Jesus, wouldn't you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage that's pretty much why i mentioned it with respect to the affections of nuns'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'ok, good chatting... gotta deal with some rl now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'good luck'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ill go remind myself why not to say god speed to people who're evil... *waves*'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Lawn mowing doesn't normally take too much luck. Luckily.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'lawn mowing takes a lot of luck, a blade could chip up and poke out your eye'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its all fun and games until somebody loses an eye =('
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which is why I always wear a diving bell when I mow. No danger at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, back later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surface to air missiles to be deployed in civilian buildings during olympics'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds daft or dodgy, i'm not sure which'
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru been here recently ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'He renamed, but yes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Chemosh.'
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just wait for the spam and you'll know'
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav rapidly nods twice at Sonshi, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol :) dude should have gone into thorasics '
T3/r6/2012-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? anything ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meat glue. discuss?'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'im all for glutamate.'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I glue my meat with Elmers'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'guess that debate didnt happen the way you wanted huh?'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just in case you were wondering, there actually is a product referred to as meat glue.  Its for turning scrap meat into real cuts of meat like filet mignon.'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and here you thought the only ones using it were canneries and fast food restaurants.  Silly foodies!'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea yea we all have yahoo news'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Level 20 aard weapons are terrible purchases: fact or fiction?'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i mean.. these are nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ludicrous waist of qp'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'no sane person would ever buy such junk'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I prefer ludicrous hips of qp.'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'u making fun of my english?'
T3/r6/2012-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i come to your home and make speak mistaky english!'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so which conflict is most likely, USA vs Iran, China vs India, N.Korea vs S.Korea, or USA vs Texas?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what happened to china vs russia?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia vs USA is more likely'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it. Russia is China's not-so-secret public enemy number 1'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the winners get China in the final'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'unlikely those two support each other at tye security council'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Maybe they're in couple's counseling. :P'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and russia/USA don't have claims on each other'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia threatened to use tacs on the US missile defence shield in eastern europe if they carry on building them'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think as much as posturing to reinforce power over the small eastern european nations than anything'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's the usual bluffing'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'and everyone else will smack them if that happens'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"if you help the west, we'll nuke you"'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell they will'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rest of europe is bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know there's real tension when there're core territory claims and they're utterly silent.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'being in debt is not the same as bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody in europe has sufficient armed forces to tackle Russia'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-period-'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean there's a secret force hidden somewhere/'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russia is still a poor country'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia is -not- a poor country'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'germany france and england have key nato roles n the event of russia rollng across europe'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roles that they couldn't fulfil if they needed to'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their conventional military isn't all it's cracked up to be. Corruption and such...'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'russia is poor in moral and economic sense, but they have the most resources'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still stronger than any one EU nation, but...'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'small countries (including mine) have been at war with russia and won before'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best of luck to you, then :-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they have quantity, but no quality'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and russia per captia real gdp is around the level of countries like malaysia and argentina...'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also controls the gas supplies to most of europe'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it isn't like it's the only supplier'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'more or less, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the russian economy would tank if they didn't keep selling. If they sold to someone else instead, the ex-suppliers of that someone else would just sell yo europe.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'russia is not as unified as most people think'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if china develops a missile shield, odds are that they'd demand their former core territories back from russia, as soon as the taiwan "issue" is resolved'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'shield of aardwolf for a pclass warrior ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you plan on being the one getting hit all the time?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman smirks.
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'maybe I should ask if going dual over shield is better'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lemme rephrase: do you plan on dying in most of your fights because you're the one getting slapped around?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'I dont die (much)'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the shield is great if you are finding yourself in longish or challenging fights, where a whirlwind of attacks still isn't fast enough to save your behind.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if all your fights are short/easy, dual weapons is better.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'thats kinda what I thought , still might get one just to see'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's an either/or choice between 15% less damage per hit versus double the damage (and more, given the various attack skills in play)'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hallet: 'but as a barbarian - Extra attacks when not dual wielding weapons'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Next class: Mage, Thief, or Paladin - GO.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Thief = Warrior.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I usually make warrior my fourth class.'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Really? How come?'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decrept: 'extra attacks are sexy'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'fourth attack'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'they moment she said that I typed "whois" lol'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen nods.
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, you get attack skills at lower level when you take warrior'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decrept: 'i took war before cleric personally'
T3/r6/2012-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Warrior it is. Thanks. <3'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how bout this one ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur gonna be appaled at the response '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go on'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i miss dru - someone cart him off ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite possibly'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'neat type speed etc - topic ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever you like'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damnit - soz wrong chan\'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blake fan ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'name info ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'h?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what does your online name mean ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mean? doesn't 'mean' anything, it's a name'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thegoonshow.net/scripts_show.asp?title=s05e25_the_white_box_of_great_bardfield'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have an attatchement to it ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'goon show - spike milligan - you lot have a narrow band of humour '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is 'you lot'?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very few people here know of it, yet it's the major influece for the likes of Monty Python and as a result, things that happened thereafter'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unlike a lot of comedy these days, wasn't based on insulting people or being rude, or needing to be satirical'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the ppl that trot out a line from faulty towers / python / goons etc etc and expect a grin of oknloligement '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's like being a member of a club'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt if i said "don't tell him, Pike", it'll draw blank looks'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like the semantic play of ye minister - actually learned something therer'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess the stoner in me appreciates the bizarre and surreal humour'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the humor was divided into sets - heller - catch 22 etc was critique- humour ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I once saw a comic from the french rev period that had the pesant carrying the tax burden'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that has not changed imo'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeing a bit of a socialist backlash happening in europe. I'm glad they're mobilising, but they're targetting the wrong people'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socalism will work in the NWO's favour'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what exactly ? soz but i'm heavily medicated '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Druggie'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'socialism doesn't work, sadly'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'timely and intellectual intervention by Starling, as always'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yep'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under capitalism you get global corporations holding all the money and all the power'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under socialism you get global corportations masquerading as governments holding all the money and all the pwoer'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really, other than the colour, what's the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least capitalism is honest'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riiigggghhhttt'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'starling it is not my choice - tin communisim loks great on paper - forget the meatsack narcissist '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Capitalism is honest in that companies don't pretend to be legitimate governments.  They flat out admit to bribing officials and lobbying legislatures. *shrug*'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it would be healthier to categorise them as good or evil'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'triple bottom line is an alien concept ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at some point along that spectrum'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'non disclosure by private companies cased the downfall of th e US enron -freddy - fannie etc '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're a power to themselves'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they largely work outside US control'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the wealth gets drained off-shore'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a US group can hit bin laden yet they cannot hit these organisations ? who is the biggest threat ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Capitalism works since it's based on human nature (selfish, shortsighted, stupid), but for capitalism to work well, it requires sensible regulation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bin laden was never much of a threat'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet enron was ..'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and enron is on the side of the people sitting in/beside/behind the throne'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the US political system is set up to more or less maximize the influence of money given that you have a democracy'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are jp morgan, goldmann sachs etcs'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest threat to america at the moment is creeping federalisation'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loss of control/accountability of state governance'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Tigernuts ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was the single biggest thing going for the USA'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Welcome to 1861 and the Lincoln presidency!'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here in the UK we're already screwed, we're already firmly under the thumb of Europe'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'biggest threat to the US is China'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is no threat to USA'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol, China is no threat to the USA?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which rock have you been hiding under?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA and China have a symbiotic relationship, their destinies are entwined'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'since we are primary paycheck for china... no actually we arent'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without USA, half of china's export market disappears'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'resources run out - who tales them ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without china, USA good shoot up in money and their banker disappears'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'we can both sit and scream baddie at each other all day long but... in the end we arent going too far from each other'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh I forgot - the biggest threat to the US is the US and after that China'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Also, the USA exports massive amounts of energy to China. China is already suffering from brownouts.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'China is currently an unsustainable country.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's far more likely'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recently the feds threatened Texas with a blockade if they went ahead with a proposed law to make FDA checkpoints illegal'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, tSA, not FDA, can't keep up with all your acronyms'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'china is already occupying Australia thru legal means ie land aquisition raw minerals mining dependancy etc '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone seen the movie Red Dawn ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'european, american, and chinese agrocorps also doing the same in Africa and eastern europe'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the american federal government has been deliberately pushing out small/family owned farms so that farming corps can take over american farming'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all going for powergrab ready for resource wars/shortages'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so in the end we will be fighting our own police \'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'recent budget cuts to defence in oz align with a compliciant attitude to this '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz can say and unserstan it  atm just can't yype it '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how close to soylent green are we ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'best info is that land is at a premium and noone will use a nuke ..'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can the US preemptive strike China with a nuke and survive ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'obviously thru terrorist means '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where is Dru ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm interested in fiction that mirrors our present situation ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the killing of packer/murdock - i ferget which is a start to the fall? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm here for assessment - why the hhours - - hopefully my interaction shows me a good citizen '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone/thing while i'm here ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my name is Ozymandia !'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ...'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'got left with a sticky keyboard n net access - I'll not trade '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'the last war will be over water'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'arrrggg'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'no. the last war will be over the last girl alive'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The last war will be over at about 5:30'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol thats not a resource'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'last war is over the last pleasure'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'which is water'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what if the last water is in the .. um.. was pee?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i kill you! i need your pee!'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'SILENCE! I keel you!'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you'd be more likely to have them kill you to drink your blood.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'well if we could drink pee we wouldnt have a water crysis'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'pee is good for you.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and so is shit??'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'only for germans'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol i dislike germans they ugly'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'dung beetles live off it, and beetles are the most prolific species on the planet, so...'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'darn. we'll get banned here:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'dein deutchland ist blode'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so you saying shit is good for you?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'no its not theres a reason why the previous person deposited it!'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'its waste'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Dung beetles have survived for 40 million years eating it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ive seen so many germans but never coult point out what was wrong with them... until this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7HVpPbSEvE'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so have humans, but just taking it'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You think humans have been here for 40 million years?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'humans first were adam and eve the bible says god created them just afrter all the animals so yes'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It also says the earth is about 6,000 years old'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '40 million > 6,000'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, really?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol well the oldest archilogical remain is what 5000b.c?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'religion is just a goldmine for sane(immoral) people abusing the deluded '
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just fyi -- 5000 bc is more than 6000 years old.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(also, that's not the oldest dig, but I wasn't even getting into that)'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Majic is lying'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'How come Adam and Eve have belly buttons?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Yeah uhm....who said that they do?'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't believe it's mentioned one way or the other.'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'next'
T3/r6/2012-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it was actually a great cause of theological debate as to whether adam would have had one or not, iirc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone anything ? Dru ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arkansas policeman tazers a 10yr old girl after she refused to take a shwoer'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shower*'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, that was the only time you lost to a T0?'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... sarkozy defeat narrower than expected. Maybe turnout among the far-right wasn't as bad as predicted?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be good to keep half an eye on europe now'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet hollande won't be even remotely as left wing as he's been building up to be'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll be bought/threatened by the NWO like all the others'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if he hasn't already been yet)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I doubt he'll be as right wing as sarkozy, at least...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sarkozy isn't right wing'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's mildly right of centre'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he did throw his hat in with the austerity crowd...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was largely forced to'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like they put a gun to his head'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a patsy, and germany's puppy'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'merkozy?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way that the encumbents in the UK are Bilderberg members, and the opposition party mostly bilderberg/communist party members'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how far hollande will go in rejecting austerity'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that'll depend'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the greek situation is also interesting'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has to break away from the EU to follow austerity'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so inevitably he'll be radical, or just identical to sarkozy'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reject, you mean'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's plenty of room for fiscal policy, even if monetary policy is constrained'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, not really'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france is a member of the euro, can't just print more, can't just raise taxes, and can't spend 4% above income'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds more like a straightjacket'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traditional lefty would immediately nationalise a bunch of stuff, hoike taxes up for the everybody but the rich particularly, and set up import restrictions'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why you quietly slip currency into the black market.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the US?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Exactly.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, like I said, not much control over monetary policy, but who's really going to tell them they can't overspend'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the deficit rule is only for small, non-core countries'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, it's for all of them'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'practically, if not legally'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the whole point, and why UK refused to sign it'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there are repercussions to breaking these things, but for a core country, it doesn't matter too much'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope you can look back and see how absurd that statement is, even if true'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can just shrug, say oops, and take the influence hit'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully they'll drop out of the euro, devalue, and cause europe to collapse as a political project'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt the NWO will allow that though'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'takes a brave head of state to take them on'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'france is unlikely to do that'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'greece is a possibility'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spain may also exit if nothing changes on the policy front'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by the time that happens we'll have a federal USA'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and possibly a return of the cold war'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the usa is already federal...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, but it had a constitution, bill of rights, and sovereign states'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is being dismantled'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it has never been not-federal...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it was never a fascist dictatorship, was it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's the natural destination of the current direction of travel'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought you said the usa will be federal. Which it already is'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'France and Germany should form a little group all to themselves, and tell the UK it can join if it tells the US to get it's fucking hands out of its legislature.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the power is centralising, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's powerbase (was) upside-down compared to the UK'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it was the correct way up as it was, tbh'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's centralising, wouldn't it be no longer federal? I'm not sure what you're saying here...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've described what's happening, you're just picking holes in my misuse of terminology'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what will happen in the usa is still up in the air currently.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'times like these are pick-your-poison, usually'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it'll be bad, but what kind of bad is hard to predict'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless somehow Ron Paul wangles his way into candidacy, the result is a forgone conclusion'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The only way out I see for the US's polarisation atm is exodus or upheaval. And upheavals are usually pretty bad for the locals.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are plenty of scenarios one can throw around...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe romney wins, proves to be incompetent (as might be expected), the two parties continue to weaken...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'romney or obama win are the same scenario'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both have the same agenda'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'declining trust in federal government eventually leads to decentralisation, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, that's why people are arming up and why the feds are creating an army outside the current armed forces and police system'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also completely incompetent scenario, which leads to widespread unrest'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is Europe's last hope for freedom, really, since we're all screwed over here'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a constitution, and none of us were armed to start with'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'completely incompetent president, that is. And congress.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that obama already passed legislation that allows him to bypass congress....'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmm. Obama can't pass legislation. He's not a legislator.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need both to be completely incompetent. Although one of them's a given.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can go to war, declare marshal law, and confiscate any property'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can have people disappeared without trial or charge'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which is not passing legislation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at what point does it require legislation?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not enough to wreck the country to the point of civil uprisings'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll shit it up some, though'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Don't all presidents get 1 free personal 'disappearance' per term?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but not enough'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you must be mightily relieved that your country is only going to be shitted up'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not for the really bad scenarios, at least'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'total justification for his actions :-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I can just fly back home, I suppose'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'All I'm saying is that if you're going to accuse him or anybody else of wrong doing, get your framework straight. Obama doesn't pass legislation. Saying that he does undermines your credibility.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he signs the legislation'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which is not passing it. It's signing it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Congress passes legisltation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not lately.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not vetoing != passing'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can pass presidential directives'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as they don't close the airports, I'm fine!'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No. He can authorize presidential directives.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the same thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Language matters. '
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the supreme court can overrule any directive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the surpeme court filled with his cronies, no doubt'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No it can't. The supreme court can only rule on cases brought before it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any citizen can take something to the supreme court if you follow the process.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The court can't independently rule on anything, whether it approves or not.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if the citizen has standing on the particular issue'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the supreme court is now 5-4 to the right wing, from what I hear'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such things as wings'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about hot wings ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all those party line rulings aren't doing wonders for its credibility as an institution'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'ALL publicly notorary US politicians are right wing.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Any citizen can *apply* to have a case heard before the Supreme Court. After it has gone through federal court and the federal court of appeals. And the supreme court is not obligate to hear a case that has been ruled upon by the circuit court. In fact, the Supreme Court routinely declines to hear the vast majority of cases brought to it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, value your consitution, value your liberty, those of us in Europe don't have it anymore'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which country are you in, Tiger?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. Just curious. I lived in NL for about three years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't the government just fall in NL?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country's constitution guarantees freedom of speech, except where parliament sees fit to restrict it. Freedom of assembly, except where parliament sees fit to restrict it. Freedom of... you get the point.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not to my knowledge, but I haven't been keeping up. '
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they see fit to restrict is not usually lawful and indicative of the attacks your constitution is under'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, but they're doing it to protect us...how could that not be lawful???'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You are cheered on by Tigernuts... you feel so loved! 
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also the minor matter of the ruling party (always) having a large enough majority to amend the constitution at will...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, yes, we all need 'protecting''
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're a terrorist lover/harborer if you don't agree that we need this power'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we so badly need protecting that the governments go to great lengths to create problems to protect us from'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My wife still lives in NL (it's not exactly the most normal marriage ever) and she didn't mention anything recently about the gov't there, but I'll ask her.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, was Holland'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ';-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yep. Holland = NL. Colloquially, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17820503'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, but some people get snippy about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, if you don't agree with their security policies, they don't call you a terrorist lover or anything like that. They roll their eyes and call you naive...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now it's known as "the country that USED to be a good place to go for a stag party"'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US, they now call such people terrorsts, Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I know...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Kind of funny, actually. For the first few months I was there, I made a point of calling everyplace outside of the two Hollands NL. Finally gave up after it became apparent that the Dutch called the whole place Holland, too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hollande had planned to raise higher rate income tax to 70%'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yeah, they pay high taxes. I almost fell over when I learned that they pay 33% sales tax on an auto.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not unusual for europe'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'europe is a lot more crowded :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a walloping big welfare state and enormous indirect taxation, now they tax everyone so heavily that half of the population is on some form of welfare because wages don't have to keep up with living costs'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self-inflicted problem'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really wish that we in America were better served by public trans so that it was reasonable to not have a car in smaller towns outside of the big city. '
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Me too, Maj. Hell, I just wish we had good rail service. I love riding the trains in Europe.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK you won't'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'I just agree with everything Majic says'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I heard the bidding on a ten year piece of quota on a car has gone well past 50kUSD at current exchange rates...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they say we have low taxes... they just make people pay for a lot of stuff.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like people travelling, they'll price it out of the reach of many, and for those left they'll regulate it so heavily that you're tracked every inch you go'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not that that's bad...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt lojacking your car is not nice, fight the power!'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one thing I noticed about the us is that a lot of people live in suburbs with crappy public transport...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bastards tried to get per mile gas taxes with gps trackers in some states, but the people wouldnt have any of that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll force it through, riz'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people live in clusters of high density public housing, which is well served by public transport, among other services'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'being high density and all'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll come via the insurance companies first'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sonshi, most suburbs don't have public transport at all, unless they inner burbs of larger cities. DC, for example.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck on that, more states are becoming more independant of the feds, and voting on more and more things.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like no need taxes without a public vote, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here, we'll get lumbered with it'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no new that is'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm not sure, but I think the public transport around here must be subsidized in some way to survive.  Most families have their own car and don't really want to be restricted to the bus schedule'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already largely a requirement if you're a young driver'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you just get priced off the road'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they're just normalising it at the moment'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'low density housing is typically badly served, not only by public transport...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at some point they'll just make it compulsory'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh heh. I'm definitely in low-density housing, no doubt about it. My nearest neighbor is a half mile away ;)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be nice'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're all forced to live in shoeboxes'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nice, unless you get a heart attack...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, it's nice. Has its drawbacks, too. When I lived in DC I put about 7000 miles per year on my car. Now I ring up 20k a year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or even a toothache.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having lots of land is overrated.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you can make money from it, and not have to live on it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having no land is overrated'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It is overrated, Riz, I agree. But it's pretty nice, too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm living in student apartments in a block full of student apartments. We do have a bus that comes by but it's on a half-hour schedule and takes you to the university campus. To get to shopping you need to take a different bus that's on a one-hour schedule.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to not live on my land in northwest texas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nice amount of land is about a dozen acres'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grass fires, tornadoes, and lots of hail, plus it is too damn flat.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, for the average family, getting to shopping involves taking the lift down and crossing the road, and maybe walking a little'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only good thing about nw texas is the natural gas underneath, and the wind speed above it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The space is beautiful and serene. The neighbors are friendly, caring, and helpful. But the absolutely closest thing to me of any sort is a general store that's 7.5 miles away. The supermarket is closer to 15. The hospital is a good 20. '
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give me a house in the suburbs and a cabin on a lake somewhere anyday....'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'meanwhile, the grocery is 3 miles away so unless you're really stocking up you might as well walk.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(if you don't have a car)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'A cabin on a lake. I'd love that, too, Riz.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yeah, a bit of a pain, your situation, Maj.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I had a bike for a while, but we have no bike lanes here, and a car dinged me while I was riding it and totaled my bike.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am kinda partial to having a natural gas connection also, would be harder to get one living on the rural land somewhere, would have to use propane, and that would make it harder to drive a natgas vehicle.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Majic, you just reminded me of how great biking in Holland is. Everybody rides 'em. Country is flatter than a griddle.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nice and flat in illinois too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sure is :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more people in the US should drive natgas cars.....$1.80 a gallon equivalent right now.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Riz - I know canadian gvmt tried to introduce propane cars (which are even cheaper than natgas cars) in the late 80's, and it was shut down by the oil companies.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'I think it's brazil that's the leader in them, and they pay ~10 bucks USD to fill a tank'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of those same oil companies make more money from natgas now. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Exxon gets half its production from natgas now.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides propane is expensive in the US'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've been considering putting up a vertical-axis wind turbine. I've got the breeze, but the investment is about $5k. Would take a long time to save that back, so to speak.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil is big on ethanol/gasoline cars, since they produce almost 50% of the ethanol.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you sure have the breeze though'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil would love to export cheap sugarcane ethanol to the US, but the feds would rather protect expensive corn ethanol in the US'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on the farm in WI we had our own well. We had a windmill to pump the water out of the well into a holding tank. Saved a fair bit on electricity.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'God how I hate ethanol. Just murder on small engines. Everybody around here goes to the general store for their non-ethanol gas to use in mowers, chain saws, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how about solar panels?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear the prices have gone down quite a lot'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Solar panels won't be a lot of help here in upstate NY. We invented the cloud :P'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panel prices have been going up the last few years because of a lack of extra silicon.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it could still result in a faster breakeven, if the price is low enough'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still cheaper than 10 years ago, but higher than it should be if there was more silicon.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from what I hear, prices have been crashing because of chinese overproduction and subsequent panic-induced dumping'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some companies signed long term contracts that they can't get out of or something'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a kyocera 123 watt panel from china is around $350'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same panel, but made in Oregon would be about 20% more.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-10/solar-glut-to-worsen-after-prices-plunge-93-on-rising-supply-commodities.html'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you have to understand, just because factories make more, it doesnt mean it is easier for you to get the panels....most of those panels go big purchase clients, like in Germany, or Japan.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the supply in the US is low because solar is not that popular here.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you have companies like google buying 5 MW of panels to put on their headquarters, but that doesnt happen often.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, depending on where you live, yeah, if there's a single (or few) supplier(s), you could get a monopoly type situation'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which results in non-market pricing'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solar panel installation is restricted in the UK'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you get a better bang for the buck buying a wind turbine in the US than you do buying a solar panel.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sort of like how the qp/gold conversion rate doesn't matter very much if you're sitting at 1 or sh.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind turbines are restricted here too'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's unfortunate, given how cheap it's getting'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a wind turbine can easily pay for itself in 7 years or less, but a solar panel is 20 years or more in most states.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are limited subsidies here for solar'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe if you had the capital, you could import them in bulk and start a business flogging solar...'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you can get a sweet deal from the state of california and the feds.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it'll pay in 13 years'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'solar panels have some awesome uses though.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we have a solar panel for our moving electric fence in the far pastures'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is WAY easier than trying to run a line out there.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '7 years? Hmmm. That might be doable. The one I'm looking at generates 1800-2000 kwh/year in an average wind speed of 11-12 mph. '
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar hotwater is even better, payback time of less than 4 years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and after that, free hot water for life....now that is what I like.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You Texans and your endless sunshine :P'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would think solar hot water would be big here, but it isnt, mainly because people have no idea it exists.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Riz, are you out there in the west of Texas, where it's sunny even at night?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plano texas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north of Dallas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, ok. I think I might have been there once, but I guess I don't remember it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good tv show, but that is about it.....but it is also the 2nd best economic city in the US, :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where in relation to you is Enchanted Rock St Pk?'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, only been here a couple years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. Well, check it out some time. Beautiful place.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thinking of adding 6 circles of pvc tubing around my house to connect to my AC unit air intake.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would precool the outside air to 55 F before it entered my AC unit....saving some serious money.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the winter it would preheat the air to 55 F before it entered the heating air intake.....:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.infowars.com/romney-operatives-caught-handing-out-fake-ballots-in-nevada-and-maine/'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amusing'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the british empire was built upon communication, technology, reasonably fair exploitation and trade, a strong navy and army, among other advantages et ceteras, including a decent lipservice to a decent legal system and decent rule of law'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you are not using The English East India Company as an example of fair exploitation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, the Avatar movie was depressing -- those murderous English-speaking aliens attempting to exploit Pandora were extremely greedy callous and wicked'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans in America likely wanted a different ending'
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wanted those callous, murdering aliens to win :('
T3/r6/2012-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's A New Hope coming in 2014, I believe.  They're doing Avatar 2, set in the ocean.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'French - Greek- news here ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Europeans continue to think the rest of the world should pay for their lifestyle. Not news.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh greece needs tax reform like a headwound needs ICU'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the french are more interesting - new blood needs to back the old ideas  - I can't see past the hype atm but it was an interesting litmus test '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an interesting test of democracy '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Interesting would have been electing a radical like Marine LP'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm looking forward a lil more - will bankrupt eu countries leave the eu ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Electing a socialist just continues the agonizingly boring slow tailspin to financial collapse'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well they were popular - democracy in action '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a reversal of austerity policies in greece could slow their slide, but it may cause an exit from the euro too...'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'harder to successfully pull off an argentina while still in the euro, after all'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece was always going to be a burden - France was ment to be one of the backbones. '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece needs a culture shock imo or it will slide inot obscurity '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but more generally - govs are elected on an anti austerity bill in the eu are are a real hazard '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw testing me - been an interesting weekend  - I may be an uninformed target - or in the spirit in which it was tabled - a genuine exchange of ideas '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so perhaps you'd expand on your statements - ie argentina ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, argentina had its own currency, while greece, being in the euro, has certain complications tied to that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'our culture is so funny. a drug that is responsible for numerous deaths each year, makes men beat their children and wives and is extremely debilitating (sp?) is completely legal and advertised like crazy. A drug that does little more than make you giggly, hungry, and sleepy is totally illegal'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It is a bid odd, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'because the last time they tried to criminalize alcohol, that worked well!'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'it isn't odd, theres a very simple explanation'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I don't think the point is that alcohol should be illegal.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fallacious comparison here.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it's more fun aruing that though.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'how are the comparisons fallacious?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a drunk driver will run a stop sign. a stoned driver will wait for it to turn green. :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage just loves Majic ;)
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have waited for stop signs to turn green before.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'We all have. Or most of us, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'if you smoke the right stuff they do turn green ;)'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'differing levels of comparative detail.  Wifebeating is not a physiological result of getting drunk, but all you are using for the weed side of the equation are physiological consquences.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'that doesn't make either side false, just not a fair comparison'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is a physiological consequence of bestiality and too much alcohol consumption.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fine, a drug that makes you giggle madly at things that aren't even funny, hug people and steal their nachos ... :D'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wife beating (or any other sort of beating) does seem to have a rather well-documented connection with alcohol abuse, though, doesn't it? In fairness, I suppose, you have to ask why someone is abusing alcohol.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'there are very few cases of marijuana causing death, directly or indirectly, where deaths involving alcohol happen every day'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'correlation is not causation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Alcohol abuse is its own reward'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, it's impossible to OD on pot.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You'll pass out long before toxic doses are even remotely reached.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. It's after 6pm now. I may have to go and put at least a mild bruise on a couple bottles of beer myself.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'agreed, but, it is possible for pot to cause you to die indirectly'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this pointless arguments 101?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's possible for the sun to cause you to die indirectly'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'BAN THE SUN'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'welcome to the debate channel'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Tiger. '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'is this the debate channel?  I didn't recognize it because nothing is 10 lines long.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom's weight in numbers is 10 lines long'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'I have a macro that can change that, but I'll refrain :P'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's because Xyliz has been absent for 111 days.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Xyliz is still here, see Zade'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could trigger Druzil, I suppose'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahh, really? Didn't know. Thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing gets debate rolling like random mentions of religion, corrupt politicians, Canada, oil, or child hookers in Katmandu.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'ooooo child hookers, my fave'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, just as long as baseball remains sacrosanct, I'm good with it. '
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you make them squeal, Jek'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'like the little piggies they are'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'baseball is for girlymen'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage cannot believe what Majic, his favorite person in the entire world, just said.
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic cackles gleefully at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'do we have to use facts here or will wild made up statements do?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'this is debate.  wild made up statements is what it's all about'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If you use facts, Malkar, you'll be breaking new and uncharted ground. Go for it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's very important to use nothing but solid facts here, because someone on the internet is WRONG!'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I see someone reads his xkcd.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his what?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I guess not :D'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'hey, i have a question for the americans here who know something about law.  if there is a breach of the constitutional rights in gathering evidence, is it EVER admissible?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what kind of breach?'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'If the police violate your constitutinal rights (illegal search without a warrant) the evidence will not be admissable.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hans: someone is wrong on the internet -> http://xkcd.com/386/'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'illegal search and seizure is outlined in the Bill of Rights, but there are also exceptions in the arenas of various crimes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know.  But I don't read such things regularly.  I bravely and fearlessly click on random links given out on x-rated channels.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, i just can't ever see 'someone is wrong on the internet' without thinking of that'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think it might be admissable if someone else does something illegal to get information and the police do nothing wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'okay, thanks.  I was curious if it was like Canada or not.'
T3/r6/2012-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'l'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Denmark should have sold Greenland to the US in 1946, the island costs the danes almost $2 billion a year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US had a $56 billion budget surplus for April 2012, the first one since obama took office.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Probably was just a paper surplus, juggled the numbers and pushed stuff around.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'how can you have surplus when you're in the hole'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'means you're at least climbing out of the hole'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but as Oath said, they play so many games I'm pretty skeptical of such announcements'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in April 2011, the budget deficit was $40 billion.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"CBO cited some special factors at play in April, partly because of shifts in the timing of payments that would ordinarily occur in March or May but instead came in April."'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"As well, refunds to taxpayers who overpaid their 2011 taxes were about $14 billion lower this year than last year because some that ordinarily would have been recorded in April were made in prior months."'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Instead of mandatory defense cuts, House Republicans advanced a bill through the Budget Committee that would instead trim from food assistance, Medicaid and other benefits programs.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, don't you favour war, starvation, and disease?!'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And this is why you should be using the nice plastic bags that grocery stores give you.  Oregon public health officials have traced a nasty outbreak of norovirus infections in a group of soccer players to an unlikely source: a reusable grocery bag'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or don't share bags'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You should clean stuff you use over and over. Even kids know that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i heard if you share a bag you should use a condom.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or toothbrushes. Or personal equipment.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'billions and billions of years of natgas !'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i so hope greece's anti-austerity lot get in'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Are you Greek Tigernuts?'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bankruptcy is good for the economy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though looking for somewhere to run to'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I sincerly hope the people who best represent the wishes of the Greek people get in.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I wouldn't mind if the anti-austerity crowd got in and bankrupted Greece.  Got my 401k happily sitting in bonds waiting for the world to burn atm.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm penniless in an overcrowded country with no weapons'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the term "screwed" comes to mind'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I bet zee Garmens wouldn't mind that either.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, look how bankruptcy helped gm and chrysler.....getting rid of all that greek debt would help them immensely, then they could focus on rebuilding their economy intead of paying debt for the next 20 years with a dead economy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Greece cannot go bankrupt while it is in the eurozone, it has to leave. And then bankruptcy isn't necessary, hyperinflation can solve the problem.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If greece defaults on too many loans, the entire eurozone will go into high inflation. If the rest of the zone doesn't want that, they'll have to pay the loans.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bugger that'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just like a marriage, it's one economy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can default while in the eurozone. Whether they'll still be in the eurozone the day after the germans hear of it... different matter.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody can afford it, they'll all just default'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm sooooo happy Sweden decided to stay out of the euro :D'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smart move'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or smart non-move'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And the UK will be thanking George Soros for keeping them from hitting the marks they needed to join the euro.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It was a referendum, sometimes a lot of stupid people can make smart decisions. Or get lucky.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the euro looked like a good idea on paper for vaious reasons, but on hindsight, should have listened to the eggheads yammering on about fiscal unions or the lack thereof...'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'money is so old invention.. and they still manage to screw it up. '
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, fiat money is relatively recent... only a few hundred years ago'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and didn't last long that time too'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'modern fiat money only started less than a hundred years ago, and works only because of other financial innovations'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, china invented paper, then paper money. Then fiat money. Then invented hyperinflation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'So, NC bans gay marriage today, becoming the 31st state to approve discrimination.  Anyone else kinda pissed?'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '3 more states and they can make it a constitutional amendment :>'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: '?'
T3/r6/2012-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it takes the votes of 34 states to amend the constitution.  So if all those states that banned gay marriages decide to force the other 16 to do the same, they can get an amendment passed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'mel gibson?'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'sooooooooo.. Any topics?'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Adobe Flash technology was provided by aliens to divert us from our progress in open source software. Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'team 1 position: a simplistic explanation endorsed by those raised from birth to believe that everyone shares the concept of the golden rule'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'team 2 position: of course, the same ones who run McDonalds'
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at YnysMon.
T3/r6/2012-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'h 10'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'The Who - Love Reign O'er Me.  Greatest rock song ever.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Who is not Led Zeppelin, so that can't possibly be true.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that argument is perfectly acceptable to me'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia shakes Hanslanda's hand.
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is where I stand:'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'The Who has done some of the greatest rock songs of all time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'But Led Zeppelin is the greatest rock band of all time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's per song vs. the entire catalog'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Led Zeppelin, you can build your house on.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but The Who has truly reached the heights of it'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's tricky'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'The greatest rock band of all time is Zeppelin, though.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, it's simple.  Led Zeppelin built this city.  They built this city on Rock 'n Roll. (only the greatest gets to take credit for someone else's stuff)'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man, I can't hear that song though without feeling that thing, where you just know it won't ever be equaled'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Zeppelin is the alpha and omega of rock and roll, truly.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they took the blues and made it rock, and then they took rock and made it something else'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and everyone wishes they had done it, and Wolfmother is pathetically transparent about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by the way, I just put on Dazed and Confused (Disc 1 Live BBC sessions), that is the cut'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"live sessions" usually are crap compared to professiooal sessions'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'professional'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, watched a thing about fbi gun running into mexico'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: '"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" Mark Twain'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'aleister crowley?'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just remember, trick the bridesmaid'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but don't drink his bottled judgement'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, fbi complicit in supplying mexican drugs cartels with firearms'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jolly sporting of them'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morphonius: 'is this channel for like mass debate?'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morphonius: 'kool huhuhu'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Mass graves for tea partiers.'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'guess there's no debate on that one'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why waste the soil? burn them :>'
T3/r6/2012-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Fire?  Costs carbon credits!  Drown em!'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'BABY RAPE...your thoughts?  lets debate it...'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baby rape is bad, k?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'mmm kay'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I'ma take it for a face coming from a guy named Tigernuts you just have to'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'fact ....doh'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no idea what you're running on about'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler slaps Tigernuts in the face with a fish.
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'that was delayed from my coffee break *grin'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north carolina'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fema region 3, no?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'not sure'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'good weed though'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'if you dont go lookin through the hood lol'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get any in the camps'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lucky if they don't shoot you for it'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'army?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'army/tsa'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'werd'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'wut?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wuts ur beef ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hm. i watched lately mission impossible and get the gringo.. and the weird danny trejo movie. why the old farts manage to do entertaining movies and the young farts cant?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is formula - same with segal '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the movie industry is suffering from low income due to movie piracy? :D'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '200 million from 1 movie suggests otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'piracy ruins the movies'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It sure ruined POTC - was gonna be a cool movie before those pirates ruined it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hence idol formula - lets sign the talent b4 it can talk back'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe it's that gen-Y has the attention span of a goldfish, then?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what ? soz - what ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some bugger stole my smokes !'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'piracy improves some movies'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"holy astericks! Batman," say Robin'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'get the gringo wasn't a formula that much. because they cut the boy open and THEN he was saved. that was new.. imported from hospital-shows'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'and they actually tortured a woman. in hero-action movie this is unseen..'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stupid bugger was sleeping with em :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'frosty breakfast tomorrow tho .. lol '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so where where we ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'still on the vacuum that is warner etc and talent ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hwuaijijal, you saying that gay movies express a misogyny'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the damage vidoe musical sequences are doing to the natives here ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hm. i rather think the new freaky teenage movies try to catch all the stuff from current world mayhem.. the old people just create their own world in a movie.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'our atr is recycled - says alot about our culture'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what gay movie?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bot likely, since "teenage movies" are written by scriptwriters not teenagers'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stienbeck ref in a cartoon etc '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the elderly do not bother watching the crap teenage movies'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the elderly dislike obvious nonesense and poorly written hack'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we need to boycott the whole hollywood environ. imo it has  gone from product placement to life placement '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'the elderly dislike it because they're not the target market'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the elderly are no longer relavent as at best they are revenue neutral'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'lets get the drums out. i'll arrive hollywood in august, hitchiking. hope the party isn't over by then.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'not how you say "teenage", that should be an indication of who the film is targetting. it's like making tampons for men'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to boycott the "hollywood environ" requires many willing to cancel tvcable and tvsatellite'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bollywood will arrive before it does and perhaps the yanks will finally get that they are the last of a dying culture'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'imo this all just rambling about the fact that Hollywood isn't producing films that cater to your desires'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'insightful - but fiction for many years has been "tested" and is only worked on if it meets a market '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'when i was young there were many so so cool movies. and those satisfied the teenagers very well.. steve jobs has ruined the movies'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'remind you on any scifi series ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'isn't Steve Jobs dead?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think this thread is '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ruined'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and didn't he "revolutionize" the film industry with 'Toy story'?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok nice save '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'continue ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ha.  As if Jobs had any creative input on Toy Story.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Jhav and goes "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'This debate is boring. What about Psuedo-Science?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Pseudo-science is evil : Social Darwinism'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Jbot we were trying to stimulate an exchange of ideas - low bar and limited input- I'll take that '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'frag it - the rest are settling down afte the "great smoke search" '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have no idea how good you have it - really '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'there is no greater pain of seeing your friends grinning faces when they announce that they had smoked all your cigarettes while you were sleeping.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I don't know if I'd call that a frien d:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, they give you the right to call them f.. retards. it balances..'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pseudo-science is seen in movies and tvfiction'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CSI: crap-science investigation'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'house is not pseudoscience. i asked from a Doctor. he told that yes, they don't use any bs but the way they do things is ridicilous. noone spends that much money on a patient.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The tests and stuff, maybe. Depends on your insurance. The time? Having 4 doctors just to yourself? They'd be watching over about 20 patients, most likely.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'my doctor told me that they are lunatics. using massive amount of extremely expencive procedures on a hunch.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, the way they do some of them is pretty outlandish. But when Promise goes into the hospital, it'd be pretty expensive if she didn't have nice insurance.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Last time they had to diagnose and then track down the cause of her hypokalemia... But even then it was more like a test a day for a week or so, rather than running her from one painful and expensive procedure to another.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But really it's just the idea that even one American doctor would dedicate 24 hours a day to a patient, let alone a whole team. You deal with interns and residents, and see the doctor once a day if you're lucky.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'you talk as you know about that stuff, Oath. are you a doctor or something?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What gave you the idea that what you see on tv has anything to do with reality?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I've spent way more time than I'd like to in hospitals, with Promise.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'She has physical health problems that had her on disability since she was a child. Probably 3x a year, she's trying to die and we're spending a week in there.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Whenever you see something in a tv show in an area you have any knowledge about, you will realize it's all fake and stupid and unrealistic.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But as long as they have hot chicks, I'll keep watching.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I've seen the way the team process works, and I've seen the way the outpatient process works. They're so overworked, and understaffed, that it's almost impossible to get more than a few minutes of one on one time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I once watched an episode of Numbers where they used 'UML' to solve some pretty freaky shit'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hm. the diseases are real in house. thats good to know too:) and they find the most beautiful prostitutes.. thats good. unreal but good. '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can ignore Beysian algorithms, and such, because I only have a minor knowledge of them - but to use 'UML' the way they did had me laughing my arse off.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My fav thing to hate is when they "track" an "ip address" in CSI'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'and who was the genius that invented the "computer sounds"?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The worst has to be the most commonly mocked... "zoom in" ... "enhance". Doesn't matter that it was a compressed feed from an atm camera with 40 ppi. They can get a hi-res image out of it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'reminds me blade runner:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'UML is a gibberish acronym to those not versed in geekspeak'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm not sure what it is. Basically just a diagram?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Promise" was last on: Sat May  5 21:18:26 2012 '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'She plays EQ1 mostly. She gets annoyed trying to figure out the syntax.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'This game is close enough to Gemstone 3 that she tries to fall into the old habits.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I keep hoping she'll play this with me, she keeps hoping to entice me back to EQ1 by double-boxing my bard with her druid.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"House" is unbelievable because of the "extreme" reactions to the "allergies/parasites/disease/poisons"'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It always has to be the worst possible situation, or it wouldn't be good tv.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The idea that he'd still be on vicoden after so many years is also pretty ridiculous. Or that vicoden could cause hallucinations or any of the other things he's experienced for it. Or that they'd put him on Suboxone to deal with vicoden withdrawal.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"House" went "criminal" at the end of the season prior to the final season.  "The Mentalist" went "criminal" at the end of this current season -- thre seems to be a plagiarism or a copying of a "protagonist goes criminal" trend as a tvseries nears the end'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'they kill wilson. finally!'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'he didn't die'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Does he have cancer? I quit watching after the thing with Kutner.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'he does'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'but last episode ended with promicing sad face on dr.house.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last episode ended with a overlong==grim --> "bad news" face by House '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Fringe" tvseries may be coming to an end'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Fringe" seems to depict what may happen if the republicans shape the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with Dr Bishop, Peter, Olivia, etcetera, playing the democrats'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the evil of Dr Bell ruined the reputation of Leonard Nimoy -- indirectly turning Spock into an evil character '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by the process of holistic logic'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"by the fruit, an evil tree is known" '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I have a very important question, also based on my theory. But it's long.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'can I text it? Because everyone I asked can't seem to answer me on this. But let me finish before you reply or state something. I will say "done" then say something or nothing. I must finish explaining it before it would make sense'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: '....Is idiocy/moron not associated with stupidity and stupidity associated with subnormal intelligence and subnormal intelligence associated with retardation?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Quit talking like that about your mom.  She can't help it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yes, in the same way that rain is associated with crops is associated with wheat is associated with bread is associated with toast is associaed with butter is associated with fat, so rain makes you fat.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: '.. If so .. The significance of these chains contradicts directly against the spirit/mind (not brain) as each being is enhanced with intelligence far beyond some's grasp of understand? If so, the existence of the spirit renders it all none existent as it goes against all laws of life and spirit.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'although education is required or the physical brain is lost to the spirit mind then again all posses a deep subsconcious that are dormant or hard to find. My point is, is the word "stupid" really capable of such? I believe it does not exist as it contradicts against so much. .. The same with "forever" <~ mindless, ignorant word. "I love you forever" I hate that f?ckin' phrase. Then again, hate is also over rated.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'done.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'What do you guys think?'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Starling ...dude ..... Tsek you street rat. You little ...b--tch.8o if your mom is .....nevermind.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'anyway... Thanks for reading I guess. Enjoy people.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'And I think world starvation is bad!!!!!!! What do you think, fellow debaters???'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pass the potatoes and the gravy, if you could please'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'Yoda: Shut up must you, Kezora.'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'you insolent little!'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'yoda!'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kezora wants food. Stat. Everybody get cooking.
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think it's a bad thing.  Have you ever noticed how the world's population number is only going up?  Nobody in recorded memory ever came out and said something like "OMG, what the fuck is wrong with you prudes?  Start boning as many other people you can see or we're all gonna die!"'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well boning kind of sells itself, is the thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You hear Kezora say something about a spoon while blowing up an elevator.
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not really like were scared of not having enough people'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggle'
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'die ike that? Taking a spoon to eat in an elevator and it blowing up? '
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You hear Kezora say something about a spoon while blowing up an elevator.
T3/r6/2012-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'kidding!'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything happening ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beep'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil went into hibernation on Sun May 13 15:44:53 2012 -- the replacement was not a genuine Druzil '
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'errata  Druzil went into hibernation on Tue Apr 10 11:00:11 2012 -- the replacement was not a genuine Druzil '
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sunday today, is somebody going to deliver a Sunday sermon'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, be nice to people and look after yourself, your family and friends'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and smoke lots of pot'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, do not burn the food, do not smoke pot'
T3/r6/2012-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about don't burn the food, smoke pot if you want to, and be nice to people and look after yourself, your family, and your friends?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'killing babies ...good or bad?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'babie what ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'humans'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but little ones'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'that poop and pee and cry'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'so not huge human babies'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at the cheese seller.
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'that fight godzilla'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'so is the human baby in question a threat to china's economy, or is it an atheist ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'is it a carrier of yellow fever ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'does it sell drugs or vote liberal ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'is it tasty with barbecue sause ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'i imagine the parents would think it's bad, but everyone else on this exponentially increasingly overpopulated planet wouldnt welcome it'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'would*'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'on the other hand if we just kill babies in poor countries, that leaves us free to breed more freely'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'we can't kill the poor babies or who would make my shoes?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'the white trash in the south of america who complain about mexians taking thier jobs'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: 'you know, the jobs they dont want'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '"day dook errr jaaabs!'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '(they took our jobs)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cheesevendor: '(orly)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody else think it's odd that used hypodermic needles are being found in quebec clothing store's clothes starting on the day when they advertise a new hiv preventative medication?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/05/14/sherbrooke-syringe-police-chief.html '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/05/10/hiv-aids-drug-fda.html it was on just about every news site around'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's got it's uses, just seems odd that they wouldn't be reporting on dirty needles in clothing more often instead of just around this time'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur  http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/13/pol-rcmp-watchdog-report-g8-g20-toronto-2010.html'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing that's pretty great too'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in this other one, a cell-phone service provider, or other gps device - records paths of all customer's and offers the surveillance to not only the government and police, but anybody who has money'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and is in on their setup'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Examples of places where a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy are person's residence or hotel room[1] and public places which have been specifically provided by businesses or the public sector to ensure privacy, such as public restrooms, private portions of jailhouses,[2] or a phone booth.['
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if that article's are correct, then everybody with a cell phone (turned on only?) or other gps-enabled device (like a vehicle or digital camera) should reasonably expect to having their privacy invaded at all of those locations and more'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is possibly against the 4th amendment of the us constitution'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17119768 The illegal use of Global Positioning System (GPS) jammers in the UK has been revealed in a groundbreaking study. '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the government's aware of breaking it's own laws, and is proactively developing immunity to resisting it's violations'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal use?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're doing that in america'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure what britain's privacy laws are'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, anything with a gps tracker on it is monitored by computer system's who's access is sold to police and government and private interests'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that seems to go against people's reasonable expectation of privacy'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have privacy laws, we're owned by the new world order'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people in power will protect their position above everybody else with any means neccessary'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that means turning everybody into the matrix movie incarnate, unable to escape virtual reality for the real thing, then they'll do that'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they put surveillance devices on playstation 3 game consoles, to 'enhanced the playing experience''
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, be worried about that :-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most likely all remotely accessible through one or another communication network, which can be sold to whoever wants to spy on you'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason i don't have a webcam or mic'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, it's more fun to have the webcam and just walk around nekkid all the time :-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most of the microchips on the computers and peripherals aren't made in america or canada or anywhere else called civilized, and they don't seem to get much proactive scrutiny at the border - so all of those type of things could be installed onto other microchips or hidden within the circuitry of the system'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not hidden'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're in plain view'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go buy a laptop without a built in mic or cam'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fridges and freezers that connect to the internet'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smart tvs that connect to the net'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it's pretty ballistic'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all your preferences are recorded and sold'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smart tvs that connect to the internet without an isp account ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who doesn't have an isp account?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yo momma!'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't, they won't have a smart tv, duh'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'is a smart tv somethin like a smartphone? Cuz I love my SDA'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a TV that lets you use things like netflix streaming without a computer'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and think of what happens if cell phones replace credit cards and money'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'netflix, bbol, roku, etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these people who sell 4th amendment violations to the police and government and whoever else has money can then what, have all the free money they want?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there are already restrictions being placed on the use of cash in some countries because they want to track exactly what you do'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cell-phone hacking is up by a large factor since last year'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 4th ammendment isn't what it used to be, a direct quote from the director of the CIA'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'the cespool will replace sex and the economy will collapse'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://preview.tinyurl.com/cwl3acs'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cia probably isn't much of a patriot if it violates the constitution of it's nation'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a patriot, cia is run by the new world order'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think starts all these wars for you? you really think they're in your interest?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never understood the full scope and considerations of any war in my time alive, so i can't say with any authority the absolute value of the conflict'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA engineered the Bay Of Pigs which dragged the US into the VietNam war'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA and MI6 cooked up the fake intelligence that prompted the attack on Iraq'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the tracking isn't nationalized, it's multinational corporation controlled, sold to whoever can afford it'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA were involved in setting up, funding, and training Al-Quaida in the 1970s and 1980s to combat the USSR in Afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody from north korea with a friend in china who's part owner of your favourite company on wall street could monitor you if they want'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA were involved in setting up the Oklahoma and 9/11 bombings in order to push through authoritarian centralised government powers in the name of combatting terrorism'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they were complicit in the cover-up behind the JFK assassination'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything I have said is on record'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and latimes claiming that soldier suicides increased by 80% since 2010'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were fighting a good fight with a understanding of why it's right, would they be so suicidal?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising with all the cocktails of drugs they were giving them, and all the shit they keep pulling on them'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on nihl.gov i read about civilians agreeing to take part in government experiment using a nerve-suppressing agent which is supposed to train people to be ovlivious to pain and negative influence, part of the study was torturing the significant other of each subject'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine that kind of government experiment, who are they planning on using it on?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interrogation studies using civilians'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a 2010? movie called the killing room, it's about the mk-ultra experiments never having stopped, sick show'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the "re-education camps" they're setting up in the US to imprison it's own population in the event of a serious incident?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nope, but they did similar things from stalin's russia to nazi germany and throughout history, so it's not unfathomable that it's possibly in the making'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of those camps is in my backyard, the feds are leasing it from me.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what they're baded on'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and this foster kennedy guy, if he really did order the extermination of anybody considered mentally retarded by a judge'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 1942'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a military document was leaked and it details using psy-ops and intimidation on political activists'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That was an x-file document.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been verified by the military'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'camp dietrick (or however it's spelled)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they tested biological warfare on us citizens'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in maryland'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Camp Rizgoth, in Texas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are dozens of such camps being set up around the US, mostly in old WW2 and other decomissioned military bases'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is going to be kinda hard since the old bases are usually sold to developers.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the paint they gave people painting cold-war buttons in tanks was radioactive, lots of people died from exposure from cancer and stuff - no compensation'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'agent orange used in vietnam possibly no compensation too - they were military draftees so i guess that sets monsanto above the rest'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now Monsanto are killing off the bees, bats, and anything else you can think of'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'federal agents in chicago in this winter hill gang saying, were their victims familites given compensation for the government's treatment of their family members?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heard about that one on cities of the underworld or underworld histories, during his undercover informant job he killed alot of people'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, their chemicals are sprayed on just about every crop around me'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if atheists believed there's no god but evolution theory was real, replacing fear of god with fear of human stupidity - they would have resisted alot of the synthetic replacements and man-made alterations to life as it evolved on earth to be as minimalistically intrusive as possible'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't got much faith in atheists, unless they're all suicidal'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that they think that they are smarter than evolution...they can fix the flaws with engineering'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the electricity goes out in some place like new york, what's the odds of survival after a week or so?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '100% odds'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no evacuation center around for people in the event of a man-made catastrophe'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'surviving naturally is being erased more and more every day'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no power isn't a catastrophe'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no need to evacuate just because there's no electricity'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can create your own power too'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting easier'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'theists are more homicidal than atheists'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd highly reccommend people look into it. Not necessarily -buy- it, but understand the technology'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are "atheists", because of gender preference conflicting with religion, are not genuine atheists -- their agenda is "gender preference"'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like vehicles, before they were all computerized any person who understood the basics of how engines and vehicle components interoperated could fix just about any mechanical machine around'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are many forms of atheism'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but now, a microchip separates your brakes from the brake drum, a microchip separates your accelerator from the carburator or whatever, your steering columb from the axel or wheels etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's all remotely accessible and possibly controllable'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, there is one form of atheism'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to get these things fixed you take them to a place that doesn't understand teh scope of the vehicle, but only the parts to replace from a manual, which come prefabricated in their electronic mystery'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and whoever owns those microchips owns a significant portion of society'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'disagreeing with a religion's viewpoint on something (like gender) doesn't transform you into an atheist'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their safety is in his hands, and they can't even confirm it'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whoever owns the goats will rule the world.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the political leaders of communism used "atheism" as a ruse to exploit the soviet populace -- "atheism" was merely another "religion" to deceive the peasants'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is ford automobiles selection of microsoft as their computer consel system programmer, a naturally secure choice, given the track record of microsoft and security vulnerabilities?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'atheism is merely another religion, correct'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'vehicles can be dangerous devices, that's a little too much trust for me'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'No, Abelinc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes korridel :-)'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'I'd agrue that point, but it's trivial to any sort of atheistic debate.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd call atheism another aspect of faith, but not a religion. Unless it's organized and enjoys its own tenets.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And liturgy, for that matter.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans leaders of the Usa use the "christian religion" as another ruse to deceive the republican voters into supporting republican selfishness greed and corruption -- some of them likely "know" that christiaity and other religions are a fraud'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republican leaders aren't christian, they're satinists'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Are you saying that you know that Christianity is a fraud, Zade? If so, how?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'religion != organized religion...'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they don't believe in god, what validation does swearing to tell the truth on the bible have for them?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's actually written in the gospel not to swear at all'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the bible was mostly written since the 17th century, i wouldn't suggest taking any of it literally'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody is an atheist because they prefer to support a minority gender preference, that is a religion '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you cannot be an atheist because you prefer to support a gender preference'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you believe that someone can do so, then you have no clue what atheism is...'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the soviet communists said "atheism! or be butchered", that was religion, a murderous fraudulent religion '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somehow they persuade university students to take part in pill-form lyposuction chemical testing, which removes weight, up to 78% of which is body fat (the other 22% not being mentioned on the article), not tested on animals is valid but not tested on university student's isn't'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they offer cash incentive, maybe mark's on their class?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're dumb for doing it regardless, i just wonder if there's some form of entrapment being used'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc is obfuscating as though clueless as to what was actually said (in regard to various types of "atheism")'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause that's dangerous stuff - in the 1960's they experimented on skin lotion acne cream, which gave the participants liver disease'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the government's law abiding watchdog really watching for his flock?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"atheism" in quotes includes ersatz, false, fair-weather, and "sexual in the mood" "feels good" atheisms'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing obfuscated at all...preferring to support gender preferences is one behavioral or moral choice, it does not change your core belief in the existence (or lack thereof) of a higher power...not choosing to follow southern baptist, or any other particular non-atheist organized religion is not the same as not believing in the existence'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, crunchy cheetos.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 1947-1963 they prescribed thalidomide to pregnant females in canada, knowing in 1951 that it resulted in limbless infants, from front page news in britain'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'non-practicing/fair weather does not change who you are, and cannot turn you into an atheist'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give em cheetos, and be happy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even agnosticism is not atheism'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some are mormons because of sexual preferences ("feels good to screw lots of females")'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, boobies'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad mormonism hasn't had that belief in a hundred years'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice try though'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheetos, boobies and donkeys....what more do you need ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more boobies'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mormonism mutated to other polygamous religions'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mormonism was like a cancer that mutated and spread to other community-religions'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, cuz mormonism invented multiple sex partners'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, does anybody expect military draft to start sometime soon?  maybe they escalate the 'population control' war in the middle-east and get some other participating populations to contribute their civilian's to the cull'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's the sole source of that belief system, and it polluted all others'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who are the draftees going to fight ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mormonism spread the anceint middle-east practice of polygamy'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll collapse the economy and you'll get civil war instead'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chemosh, there will never be a US military draft...other countries have never stopped draft'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of countries have mandatory service'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully it doesn't happen but the way the world is it seems likely'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'draftees are the last people you want in a well trained military, unless you need cannon fodder like in vietnam.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'do you consider forced extended tours as substantially different from a draft?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Newt Gingrich believes in a form of religious polygamy -- change religion and marry a new spouse'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada the harper government is doing everything contradictory to canadian sovereignty and civil rights that it possibly can, according to some people'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why it wont happen again.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the people wont allow it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'enlisting all the young men and women to serve israel's purposes isn't too far fetched from them'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a movement starting to take back local governance'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly among Ron Paul supporters'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'beakerboy: yes, there is a big difference between forced extension and draft'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for forced extension, you've already given your commitment (which allowed for the extensions), and you've already "benefitted" from your service'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the military has invested in you'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there was a report that was recently declassified that said if asked to fight against fellow americans, 70+ % of the military personnel said they wouldnt do it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"forced extension" seems "breach of contract", "extortion", "exploitation", "theft" '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"forced extension" seems "breach of contract", "extortion", "exploitation", "theft", "slavery"'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only takes 30% to make a horrid civil war'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it'd only be breach of contract if the contract didn't have provisions for it'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a 100% volunteer military...everyone in it chose to join up'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except it's marketed to the poor'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, where else are they gonna go?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'compulsory military service here'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the newer members, they definitely went in knowing about the conflicts we're involved in...for the older members, they'd enjoyed years of breezy service'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans, (like nazis), believe(d) that they may pass laws justifying atrocities thievery and exploitation '
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with giving $30,000 bonuses and paid college educations for military service.....should increase the pay to the non officer soldiers.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this military college in new york or somewhere, usmc?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'produces CEO's of rich companies and politicians aplenty'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're possibly all serving the military by ruling the civilian sector'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'US Military Academy, Chemosh. At West Point, on the Hudson River in NY State.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the military academies are good schools...'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's what benedict arnold gave to the brits }:>'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they can be, but forced extension probably comes mandatory for alot of it's members'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, what he tried to give the Brits.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only during conflict ("time of need")'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is basically every day to the government'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Very beautiful place, West Point.'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every day for the past decade...didn't really exist before that'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'school administration resorting to beurocratic due process of law regarding people's children being exposed to possibly dangerous displays of public nudity by a adult male on the premises http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/05/14/nb-shediac-school-exposure.html , not informing the parents that a person is walking around the classroom windows flashing his genitalia and that their children might be in danger'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems pretty negligent to me'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he didn't stick his penis in anyone's eye, did he?'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not according to the article, but if he goes that far one step further might not be unfathomable'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then there couldn't have been THAT much danger'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they don't inform the parents that a sexual predator is walking among their children at the government-school'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'usually they keep an eye on that sort of thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone screwed up, obviously'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teh police act like it's classified to inform that parents about the problem, which the school relies on them to do claiming no responsibility'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it reached the news is probably the only screw up'
T3/r6/2012-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but usually that's not unintelligently designed'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats shaking ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran puzzles me, they have the 2nd largest proven supplies of natgas, and the 3rd largest known reserves of uranium....they could export uranium to france and russia, and use natgas power generation instead of nuclear reactors.....so the only reason they are punishing themselves so badly is to build a nuclear bomb.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there are good reasons why countries view them with suspicion...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it may be arguable that they find it would be more economic in the long run to use nuclear power and sell the gas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in 100+ years, they have enough natgas right now to last at least that long with double the consumption as now.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that doesnt include any new supplies of natgas that is found in Iran.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's only so much gas you can extract per year though...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they produce more natgas than they can use, which is why exports are up 10% from last year to certain countries that are still doing business with them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'the average human farts out about 8 cups of gas a day.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the more they use, the less they have for export, I suppose'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also have the 2nd largest known oil reserves :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only so much oil you can pump a year...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure, whatever, opec has light production controls on exports, and iran has been one of the countries that has wanted to reduce exports to raise the price, then they use can more of the oil and gas at home.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and nuclear might be cheaper with a cheap workforce and a "healthy" disregard for the safety of their serfs'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with more investment, they could easily be producing 2x as much as they are doing now if not for the sanctions.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they obviously want to build a bomb, there is no other logical reason for it, since they have so much cheap gas for power generations.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a good chance of that, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily obvious'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I seriously doubt they care about global warming :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take the germans... if you assumed they were rational, there must be no reason for their actions other than that they want the euro to fail! So say some people, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always the chance that they're being dicks because of internal political considerations'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and iran just found another 26 trillion cubic feet of new natgas in an previously known gas field.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yay, problem solved.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and speaking of global warming... I wonder how many countries are secretly building up expertise in sustainable artificial habitats and the like...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'none of them'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now would be a great time to study how to build large underground habitats in case we need them to... well... not die.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, just build undersea cities.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'underground's cheaper than undersea, I'd bet'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You have completely missed the problem with global warming'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and cheaper than sealing off above-ground cities'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would solve no problem, what so ever'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you can control the internal climate, it would'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less....just terraform mars, and populate it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then build a base on the moon and populate that too'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and space stations...can easily put millions in space.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt we can even get to mars before the climate starts to kill us off, let alone terraform it'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's something to do for after we survive this thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the universe is a huge place, with lots of potential....we need to take advantage of it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The world will not become inhabitable by global warming, so hiding in artificial environments isn't necessary, just stupid'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'no. we just need to chill a bit'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, no use thinking about fixing your bike when you're bleeding to death in the middle of a river after crashing...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming is a myth....the avg global temp could be 8 F higher, and very little would change....and it would take hundreds of years to do that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'People who say global warming is a myth perpetuate the idea that humans have had no impact on the environment. Which is just stupid.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'learn the polarbear language and tell them that, rizgoth'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the worst case scenarios, we could have well over 10C in 100y...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to hell with the polar bears, let em learn how to live on the land.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why we have zoos.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'point taken:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Man, every time I see someone who has been sucked into the conservative media...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'conservative my ass, I am more liberal than most liberals, I am just not someone who feels that global climate change is a problem.....it is called evolution for a reason.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Global warming must be a myth because the american lifestyle is not negotiable. True story.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we can't evolve to a possibly warmer planet than we deserve to die off.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty simple.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be people who'll survive even if the temperature goes up by over 10C assuming nothing else happens, but I'll bet there'd be wars.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the planet has been going through warm and cold spells for billions of years, we are not going to control it or stop it....so get used to it, make the best of it, and take care of your family.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if possible...buy a damn natgas car.....I love mine :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the coming one is self-inflicted though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's irrelevant, Rizgoth, since humans haven't been around for billions of years'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if possible, buy some solar panels for your house...they do make a diference in your power bill.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we can't stop it in the sense that a serial killer can't stop killing...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's another weird thing about the US... so many people rent that decisions like that aren't even up to the residents'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think home ownership is what, 60% or something?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 5000 watts of solar panels on my roof, and 4 solar hot water panels.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you get government subsidy for installing it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure did.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'renting results in a lot of unfortunate perverse incentives'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds knocked off 40% of the cost, and the power company knocked another 10% off the cost with a rebate.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it paying for itself over time?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the renter pays for electricity, the owner has little incentive to reduce the bill by using solar panels and stuff like that'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, just installed it 3 years ago...it should pay for itself in about 7 more years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the owner pays, the renter has no incentive to conserve'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at current power rates'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'power rates have been increasing about 6% a year here, so it might pay for itself in 5-6 years instead.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 95% of my hotwater comes from the sun'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the other %5 is my natgas backup.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of people can't afford that though, on top of the debt of buying a house in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why you roll the solar system into the mortgage.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Like I did.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the housing situation in the US is a little unfortunate...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to make my AC system about 30% more efficient this summer with my new geothermal system I am installing'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the current economic conditions, the government could easily manufacture housing centres at low cost and maybe even turn a profit once the market picks up'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard about this greenhouse heating somebody used, using black jugs filled with water - supposedly they trapped heat pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'provided it's better quality than some of the crap around'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Going to install loops of pipe around my house underground about 5 feet that will be connected to the air intake of my HVAC system.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar heated water for your pool and showers is the way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a warm pool in the winter, and a cool one in the summer.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish I had a pool of my own...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home it would be next to impossible'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.wsetech.com/ some of the stuff these guys sell is pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday I plan on adding a rain catchment system for water, so that I can reduce my city water use....which has been increasing every year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the rain water doesn't get too polluted...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rain water is almost pure, it is when it hits your roof that it gets a little dirty :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why the first few gallons is dumped.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on how far the nearest industrial centre is, typically'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know a guy who has a rain catchment system down in houston....next to refineries, and his rainfall is crystal clear.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'crystal clear doesn't mean that there's nothing bad in it...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to keep drinking city water, go for it, I will take rainfall anyday of the year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'either way I'd put it through a filter first'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well duh, he has triple filters :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he doesnt drink it straight.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I filter my tap water too...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he also have a UV system to clean it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who knows what's in all those old pipes in this building...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he built his catchment system out of 20 200 gallon hot water heater tanks. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they pump some of the treated water from sewage treatment back into the water supply.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there were a number of jokes about drinking pee'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when it leaves the treatment plant is pretty clean, and then the natural processes do the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be handy if they could have separate lines for drinking water and general usage water - even if general usage water is clean'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'costly though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where available'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'urine is sterile.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'recycling of water will become even more important in the near future.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree, there's alot of things messing water systems up though, like industrialization and cattle manure, also chemical's from agriculture'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use water 2-3x before it is released back into nature.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in the ocean that turns into clouds and stuff, whatever toxins are in that'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and gold mines are supposedly pretty killer, also waste disposal of hazardous materials '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many farms are adding methane digesters to produce natgas from the manure, and supplying electricity to nearby homes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of places in the world don't have the resources to cut down on toxic waste'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i heard about methane digesters, separating fertilizer and fuel '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were reseraching that in university of florida - the problem is convincing farmers that it's a worthwhile expense'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that if all the manure produced in the US was put into methane digesters, it would produce about 10% of the countries natgas needs.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'animal manure, not human manure.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and disposing of chemicals too - lots of farmers see taking all of the leftovers in for disposal as a waste of time, including jugs etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'an incentive for them to not be indebted for assisting the environment would be good'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont have to convince the farmers, just show them the raw numbers....methane digesters pay for themselves in 7 years or less.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'after that, the farmers have a new revenue stream.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now we just need somebody like you telling people about it's benefits on some medium they are likely to see :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these environmental programs already exist in the last farm bill that was passed a few years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'farmers can apply for grants to build methane digesters...they pay back part of the loan with the power produced.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's also maybe a community thing that could happen with it, the community could pay farmers to haul in their shit (or give them a percentage) of the proceeds from selling the energy to the energy companies'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things is to keep that distributed so there isn't a single place where you wait in line for however long, 30 miles away'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday we will turn sewer plants into methane digester plants...and turn human waste into electricity...that will provide another 10% of natgas use.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a garbage truck type of service that stops by and collects farmers shit-piles to take in for processing - new job'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, anything more efficient is pretty good to consider'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should be recycling all our trash....it makes financial sense.....start digging up old landfills and recycling all the trash in them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'newer landfills are more like methane collectors than landfills.....they produce lots of natgas to produce electricity for nearby homes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what about the problem of agriculture though?  people have to eat - how can people become less reliant on potash excavation and chemicals?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'iirc i heard somewhere about microsoft getting into the fertilizer business - that might have been a figment of my imagination though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the recycable stuff is removed from the trash, and the rest, the compostable stuff is put in the landfill to produce the gas.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'waste like manure can be one thing they use for that, there's also cycling of crops - but keeping farmers floating while they do this '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, most crop waste is already recycled...it is mixed with the soil to provide nutrients for the next planting.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'edmonton city has a garbage recycling deal, they extract fuel from it and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's maybe not the best but it's better than a giant incinerator'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a high temp incinerator that also functions as a power producer is pretty good.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of countries are building those for some types of trash.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reducing the amount of things incinerated using another process, on top of then burning what is unsalvageable for that additional electricity'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes more sense to burn extra cardboard instead of shipping it to china for recycling so that it can be shipped back to the country of origin.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wood pellets is another relatively new product....and very smart...turn mill waste into wood pellets that can be burned to produce electricity, or heat in homes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they also have the corn-based plastic that they have introduced in those plastic salad containers...completely biodegradable, just as good as petroleum based plastic'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's not a fuel thing, but it is a nice piece of earth friendly tech'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it all adds up, that is how we will save the human race.....one small bit at a time :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I heard that they also invented a new lithium-ion battery with improved permeability, so that it can charge much faster than the other ones'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'meaning that with that tech, they can build electric cars that can refuel comparably to a gasoline car'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and it holds 2x the power compared to older lithium ion batteries.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I think is *really* important to getting people to take electric cars'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and Tesla Motorsports is going to introduce an affordable electric car for everyone, once they sell enough of their sportscars and luxury sedans'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that will make me happy, when a kick ass company like that makes a great electric vehicle that performs as well or better than your gas powered vehicle, for the same price'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sedan will still cost around $50k though, for those 240 miles per charge.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hmmm I thought that they were using that sedan to fund the third, more affordable tier'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you will also qualify for the $8000 rebate from the feds if you buy one.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I heard that in parts of china, cheap electric mini-cars are selling well. Unfortunately they aren't very green.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the batteries still cost a fortune, dont expect an electric car to get under $40k until they sell more than 200k of them a year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being 10x cheaper per mile though will add up as well'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I guess all I can do is hope that science figures out how to make those batteries cheaper'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that nissan leaf only gets around 60 miles per charge, and costs around $30k or so I think.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh no, Tesla is way better than that'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they have more of the batteries :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tesla battery pack is 3x bigger.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'something like 6,000 individual cells, each one much like a cellphone battery'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with lithium though....it is an extremely rare metal....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that I did not know'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a fuel cell car would probably be more doable.....use natgas to power it'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, when the power goes out at your home...you can use your fuel cell car to power your house. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'artificial hydrocarbons seem simpler than fuel cells'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and we have the technology for it now, or at least within a few years of research'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the germans invented that technology...it isnt that efficient at the moment, but it is getting there.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the nazis invented it, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the germans invented artificial hydrcarbons from coal, that's a totally different thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am a big supporter of using algae to produce biofuels, and animal feed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a way to reduce co2 emissions.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'agreed there'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if we had a way to get the carbon from atmospheric CO2...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the biofuel algae look really promising'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'we almost do, sonshi, with a few more years of research'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon neutral is the goal...and I think algae is a step in the right direction.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it will also be a question of how much energy it would take to remove that CO2...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'we really need technologies that are carbon negative, but neutral is a step in the right direction'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'right, that's where more research is needed'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gotta have some co2 going on though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, carbon neutral is good enough.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would allow the planet to clean itself in a matter of time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'carbon neutral might not be enough if we keep going at this rate for the next few decades...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'could take quite a long time to return to equilibrium'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'to remove some 100-200 ppm from the atmosphere could take thousands of years iirc'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grow more trees :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easier said than done'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'growing and burying trees has been suggested as a way to remove co2'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sink em in the ocean.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that woudl waste good trees.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather turn the co2 into a solid and dumping that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need to put them some place where they wouldn't just go back into the cycle'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'make charcoal and put it in a mountain!'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'no need to make charcoal'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or better yet, use co2 to dissolve methane hydrates, and keep the co2 in the ground.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way or another, lock it back in the ground...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'filling up a coal mine with trees would work fine, I think... and give the next intelligent race the opportunity to make the same mistakes we did'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would still be a pretty long process though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds and conoco phillips just tested some new technology to tap into the vast methane hydrates in Alaska using co2 to dissolve the methane, and it the co2 stayed in the ground.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we're not going to start until people start dying in large numbers in advanced nations'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I really want to see algae farms connected to coal and natgas power plants...to produce fuel for transportation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use the co2 produced from the power plants to feed the algae.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of the next intelligent race, I saw this article about a particularly bright chimpanzee who built up stockpiles of rocks, plotting to throw them at visitors...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monkeys have been doing that in malaysia for centuries. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'building and hiding stockpiles of rocks in advance?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suppressing aggressive characteristics until getting within throwing range?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully the future of transportation will be a combo of biofuels and electricity.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and crunchy cheetos are addictive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of the hackneyed-(erstwhile-cute)-hypeword "combo"  caused disbelief in what you said, Rizgoth '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cynical audience distrusts those that use obviousty-empty cutesy words'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the words are "obviousty empty" since they are "cutesy")'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 US dollar is worth 16,150 iranian rials right now......6 months ago it was 10,800 rials per $1.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'euro death watch! Anyone following the current situation?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Sonshi. What's happening?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the latest is that greek efforts to form a government has failed'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, ok. Thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and so an exit is now even more likely'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Krugman, for example, thinks it could happen in a month'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Then they revert to the dinar?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dinar?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Er, drachma.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much, or whatever they decide to call it'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm afraid they might just as well call it kindling.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'within a year, a serious existential crisis for the euro could take place.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if more and more countries reject germany's view, you could get bank runs'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe the Brits knew what they were doing all along.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, if I were spanish or italian, I'd probably move half my savings to a german bank now, just in case'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, a serious "philosophical crisis", and within a year, but are the rich worried '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, lucky for the brits. I wonder if it was pride, or a sober, calculated awareness of the problems with the euro.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Damned if I know. Maybe a bit of both.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after greece, spain sure looks ready to blow...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's pretty disturbing how economies that had looked vigorous not so long ago are now in crisis. Spain and Ireland come to mind.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, spain was doing pretty well just 6 years back'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and over the last 5 years, the EU has slid so far that S Korea's per capita real gdp is less than 10% below the EU average'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and will probably overtake them in 2-3 years, barring a miracle in europe or a catastrophe in korea'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heh, what about Ron Paul and his suggestion of multi-currencies within the USA -- in the Ron Paul multi-currency scenario happened, if multi-currency-defaults into bankruptcy happened, Ron Paul be looking like a multi-crook (?)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's the dollar/euro rate now?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '1euro to 1.27USD'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's been holding around there for a hell of a long time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'over 1.4 a year back'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ron Paul is short, and the short are not tall enough to get a good view of what is actually likely to happen with shortbrained schemes'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suspect ron paul may be hoping to cash in by moving policy in his favour, whatever the cost to others'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... it seems that over the last 5 years, taiwan's per capita real gdp has matched germany's and surpassed france and the UK.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at this rate, by the end of the crisis, east asia ex-china would have swapped positions with west europe in the economic rankings...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, the republicans believe that in government by the rich to the rich for the rich -- the less than rich are to be tolerated (and or pot into concentration camps if they object to poverty)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US position is also declining... HK has surpassed it. But HK isn't really a country, I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china holds up, australia could pass the US on that scale soon too'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some "economists" seem to "bandy" the GDP as something "holy" statistic to be sought and increased'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good proxy for measuring a country's material wealth'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concept of the GDP was around for a long while, and yet financial crisis and meltdowns happen -- the GDP is neither the "holy grail" nor a valid "religious manta"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't a measure of volatility, it's a measure of how much stuff a nation makes'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but a religious hype ... "strait and narrow is the financial path that leadeth to a healthy GDP" '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the path is neither straight nor narrow. Plenty of different strategies.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'american manufacturing in china is slowly returning to the US because of increased wage costs, shipping costs, and a slow increase in american made gaining hold.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention manufacturing in the US is 4x more efficient compared to china, so wage increases in china hurt the bottom line quite a bit.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and then Jesus said "depart from me ye accursed republicans into the everlasting torments prepared for the callous rich and their cohorts"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, in a few decades, they may well be saying "take your crap manufacturing back, now it's YOUR turn to make cheap crap for us"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, they would rather buy american stuff than the crap the chinese companies make for chinese people. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'It is true... the rich Chinese do not buy Chinese goods.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the chinese, I mean, after they've finished the whole low-tech phase'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'want your manufacturing back? Be careful what you wish for...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas added around 8000 new manufacturing jobs last year, expected to do the same this year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, the oil and gas industry added over 100,000 new jobs last year to the Texas economy. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if countries had a choice, far better to do the creative, high-tech, and admin work and let others do the manufacturing...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather have both, and all the other industries....a balanced economy is best.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas learned that lesson in the 80s, and has religiously recruited new tech companies to the state, and other industries.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but if china (or india) manages to push past their political problems and get rich, it's likely that economic forces would push most of their manufacturing to second tier countries'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one major problem for the US is that it used to have one of the highest college-education rates...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but among younger age groups, it has already fallen behind many countries'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china trained 200,000 new engineers last year, and most of them work in factories making $2 an hour producing ipods for western countries.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if it were reversed now, the disparity in human capital will mean further relative declines for a while'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt matter how many college educated people you have, what matters is what you do with that education, or lack thereof of education....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much depends on how china's government manages to liberalise. Or not.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china will only liberalize enough to stay in power and make 'enough' money, not a lot of money, but just enough to keep in power. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something Cuba is starting to realize....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at this time, many of their better engineers are finding jobs in the west, while the third rate "engineers" wind up as lowly paid technicians at home.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil is one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and the fastest growing in south america....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the number of their top-notch engineers rise beyond the capacity of western nations to absorb, the spillover could benefit china...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico on the other hand is going in reverse compared to Brazil and the other economic countries of south america.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Honduras will probably be in civil war eventually, as will Columbia and Argentina.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, mexico has that whole drug war thing going on'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argentina is growing rapidly'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Argentina has started nationalizing its industries, just like Venezuela.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, argentina's per capita gdp is much higher than brazil's, and grew faster in the last few years too'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Instead of taking more taxes from the industries, they decided to take them over.....not a good way to get more investment.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given their growth rates, that might not even put much of a dent in it'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Venezuala oil production is down 50% since chavez nationalized the oil industry there.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the country is fairly decently managed, the market will close its eyes to a nationalisation or two...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're as badly managed as venezuela... well...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We shall see with Argentina, but I would bet against them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't bet against them, given their record...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, economic collapse, or was that chile....those countries are almost the same. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they did dodge that bullet back in that whole default thing...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Argentina does make a good steak, that is for sure :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love their beef.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Patagonia is probably the most beautiful place in the world that I have ever seen.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, interesting paper way back when, predicting disaster for argentina'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa445.pdf'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Patagonia would make an athiest believe in a higher power created those beautiful landscapes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless he had an education'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some astronomers tend to be atheists  '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'astronomers tend to be educated'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know lots of scientists who believe in God and that God created evolution. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, I was looking at the stats for argentina and brazil when I noticed that although argentina was in deficit and brazil was in surplus last year, as a percentage of gdp, argentina's public debt decreased faster than brazil's.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'illustrates the fact that when you're in debt, it's often better to increase your earnings than decrease your spending...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the reason that "crown corporations" in australia did not "work" was that those running those crown corporatiuons were corrupt nepotistic incompetent and crooked '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increasing earnings is always good.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when the people make more money....they tend to spend more money...for some reason govt hasnt figured that out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'western countries need to figure out what the cheapest ways their government can use to increase gdp.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'could improve housing, roads, other infrastructure...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'putting it into human capital is also often a winner.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexicos biggest problem is its population though....mexico has like 160 million people compared to only 40 million in Argentina.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instead, many are reducing investments into critical areas. Brilliant.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the "velocity of money" theory -- but what happens when the monies hurry overseas because Americans buy foreign'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'americans only buy foreign, because they have no american made option.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the road/housing/bridge you build is still going to be there...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that "free trade" is destroying the USA
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and spending money on infrastructure is always a good thing.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agreed, get rid of the free trade act.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with so many homeless, they could employ them to help build housing clusters to house them, build transportation links to major industrial centres, and make it easy for them to get to places of employment, from housing where land is cheap...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the free trade act destroyed the corn tortilla industry in Mexico, because tree trade allows highly efficient american farmers to export wheat tortillas to mexico to be sold.....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if only half of them retain a job, it's still going to be worth it...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so what happens, all those poor mexicans come to the US looking for jobs because they cant grow corn to sell to tortilla makers anymore.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when crown corporations run in the red, those managing those corporations must be harshly held accountable -- public floggings ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it isn't really free trade when those wheat farmers are getting subsidised'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the mexican govt also subsidizes the wheat imports from canada and the US :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't even argue that that sort of farming is an infant industry in need of protection'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'who'd like to see GW Bush publically flogged'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, can't call it free trade in either case'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there was real free trade, the benefits would be huge'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexico used to have tariffs on US and Canadian wheat that was imported, but not anymore.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably bullied into dropping them'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those tariffs allowed mexican corn farmers to compete with the imports, but not anymore.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subsidies should be eliminated on both sides...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'grain isn't some sort of high-tech or infant industry after all...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a country's food production is supposed to be mostly internal '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the free trade act destroyed the US steel industry also'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get it where it's cheapest, as long as you can be assured of the standards'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'during a war and or skyrocketing transport costs, food transportation is likely to cease'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you might want to retain some manufacturing capability there, but otherwise, why not get your supply where it is cheap, and sell stuff to whoever will pay a higher price than your own value for it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a couple years ago, because of a lack of power generation in Texas, and a really hot summer....we had to import power generation from Mexico at super high prices.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Market failure'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lack of foresight by capitalists and economists'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas scrapped the building of 8 new modern coal power plants a few years ago because people complained about co2 production.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I remember something about the electricity market getting manipulated somewhere else too, california maybe, some years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whch is what caused the power deficit.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they wanted to reduce emissions, they could simply charge for the right to pollute'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'charge based on the estimated damage or cost to reverse it, if you can figure it out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the recent glut of natgas has created a low cost option for new power generation here, so 5 new natgas plants are being built.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Sonshi complained of "foresight is not currently the cheapest, eat drink and be merry at the cheapest, what comes later be damned"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'epitah: "tomorrow's just a future yesterday"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am a firm believer in modern coal power plants....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of all those really old coal power plants in the midwest, and replace them with natgas or new coal plants.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and whose going to pay for the "upgrades" in a free market economy where the bureaucrats may be corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called corporate bonds.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whose going to pay for the "upgrades" in a free market economy where the bureaucrats and politicians are corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only valid answers are "taxpayers" or "customers".  The latter will foot the bill if government fails to give the utility money.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you'd just charge for the cost of polluting just like any other resource, the problem would fix itself'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'corporate bonds -- is that a new form of indentured slavery'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, it is called a guaranteed return of 7% a year for 30 years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about the the cost of post-polluting after the fact by nuclear plants, oil-tanker spills, oil-pipeline bursts, earthquakes near nuclear plants'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're never going to get a simple pollution tax in place without an option to get around it in some fashion (ie, cap and trade)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what exactly is "cap and trade"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon taxes are stupid anyways....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon taxes just hurt the lower income people.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the term "cap and trade" is bandied about a lot'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "cap" part is where they set pollution standards--stay below this mark and we'll let it go, go above it and you have to pay us extra.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonetheless it is more efficient to make people and corporations pay for resources they use, including pollution "rights"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's trivial to offset the impact to the poor. Just give them some of the money.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is more efficient to just force the companies to use new technology to remove pollution from the emissions, and co2 is not pollution btw.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "trade" part is where they give entities who stay below the mark bonuses in the form of saleable credits that those who cannot meet the mark can use to raise the mark to a reachable level (in short, if I can't meet the EPA guideline of 52 parts, I can buy credits so that I'm not penalized if I hover at 65 parts).'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it causes damage to someone else, it can be classified as pollution'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the intent is to help out those anywhere close to the set point, but all cap and trade proposals thus far have kept the credits-buying open-ended.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and how do you figure that co2 harms anyone ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that was the case, I suggest you stop breathing....you are hurting someone. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it contributes to global warming, and we cannot breath it (turns out this is true for a almost all animal life on Earth).'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so algae farms grab a lot of CO2 from the air'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is an interesting theory, except co2 feeds the plants that happen to produce the oxygen that those lifeforms breathe in :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which is perfectly fine when we're not stuffing extra co2 underground.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and plants tend to get bigger when there is more co2 available for them to use.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it has already hurt people living on small, low-lying pacific islands that have gotten flooded...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it contributes to increased hurricane activity'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is rather damaging'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at some point, we're going to end up with a "nuclear waste" type of co2 problem'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, 50,000 years ago, those islands were underwater. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '50000 years ago, we weren't alive'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'algae farms to produce ethanol and biofuels, are they able to grab enough CO2 from the air to reduce global warming'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonetheless, if you stick a knife in my chest, you can't claim that's okay.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since I wasn't around 50000 years ago anyway'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'while co2 won't do much to ground water other than turning it into soda water, it will deplete the oxygen from it and kill off anything that consumes oxygen.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"hey, you're going to die anyway!"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yes, homo sapiens were around 50,000 years ago, just not with ipods, and hummers.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't the nice scientists agree that atmospheric co2 was several times higher some years ago?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the debate on climate change isn't about whether we'll die out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's part of it though. It does increase the risk substantially'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's about how well we can survive when the Earth changes.  We'll survive, even if we have to return to a nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle similar to The Day After Tomorrow.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'during the dinosaur years, the atmospheric co2 and oxygen levels were much higher than today.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we aren't adapted to those times'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that those algae-produced biofuels are likely to be consumed by industry and recylced back into CO2 (and the other organic plants are not going to starve from lack of CO2 especially when there is a current glut of CO2)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the greenhouse affect was much thicker.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, I'd like to avoid a climate that doesn't suit humanity'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a theory that says there was a nonstop wildfire simmering away somewhere on Earth the entire time dinosaurs were alive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, seeing as how humans are the most easily capable of adapting to its environment, I am not worried...but lets keep building wind turbines and solar panels regardless....:)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not more than cockroaches...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wouldn't want to be a cockroach if Earth got nuked somehow.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cockroaches have not invented clothes to keep from freezing in Alaska or Canada. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would really suck to have to become a near-vegetarian because of tis sort of crap'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'what are we debating about people'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cockroaches have not evolved in 200 million years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They appear to have reached perfection :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, neither have sharks, alligators or crocodiles :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And neither have the Washington Capitals. Flame out in the playoffs every year :('
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the houston astros :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage can sympathize with Riz.
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think potato bugs have either.  potato bugs can stand far more radiation than cockroaches.  If you need to wipe out potato bugs, it practically requires a Gamma-Ray Burst.  Anything else and they'll probably survive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'A well places shoe often does the trick.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'placed, even'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'god forbid the bees disappear though....then we will need to come up with a mechanical means to fertilize a lot of food crops.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much air pollution do solar-panels produce from materials used while baking in the sun'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baking in the sun?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels do not produce pollution except during the manufacturing process.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no more than having those materials in useless globs.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not entirely true, since they're still relatively thermally-inefficient.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but no particulates'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and besides, even after the energy used to make the panels.....that energy would be paid for after a month of sun.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much environmental psychological-stress to wind-turbines produce from the low frequency sounds and the chemical-leakage from the lubricants'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the latest generation of super-efficient panels still only barely hits %40 efficiency.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what we need is a replacement for silicon though....otherwise solar panels are always going to be expensive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the lubricants used, stress depends on where they're situatied'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless someone comes up with a new process to manufacture silicon'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think it's the process that limits silicon.  Isn't the issue similar to what's threatening silicon in the electronics/tech industry?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels only hit 40% efficiency in the labs....in real world operation, you would get 16% or so.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they released some solar panels that hit 85% efficiency'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they move with the sun or something, like flowers'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it is, maybe 75%'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even with moving with the sun, it is still 16%'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the solar panels only produce so much power regardless, you would have to intensify the sunlight to increase power production'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was on sciencedaily.com '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chemical-pollution from a few solar-panels and sound-pollution from a few wind-turbines may be minimal, but if there were billions of solar-panels and millions of wind-turbines, there may be different story'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'still in it's research stages, but they claimed to have a high energy conversion rate'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the basic problem with panels is that they have limited surface area so most of the energy produced just gets wasted as heat.  The latest generation uses metallic studs so that effectively the entire depth of the panel acts as a collector.  Didn't think those were out yet, though.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'concentrated solar power can reach 50% efficiency or higher, but those processes do not use solar panels...they use mirrors to heat up a liquid that turns to steam to turn a turbine.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The scientists claim up to 85% of usable sunlight is absorbed by the new panels, compared to approximately 17% efficiency with current commerically available solar cells.  http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/02/15/2818151.htm'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this might not be the same one, but they say it uses less silicon and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, same one.  I think they had a story on them in Discovery magazine early last year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love wind power, and tidal power, and geothermal power'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I love all power.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the (plastic?) materials used to (compose and) hold the solar-panels may be a source of environmental chemical pollution (if somebody was using the "cheapest" materials available) -- plastics leak odors'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the answers in balancing them to be as non-invasive as possible'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all wind or all solar or all coal etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind power is good, but not as a baseline power.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the answer is in battery tech.  Energy storage is more of a problem than alternegy efficiency.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also there's these thigns called passive turbines on rivers you can use, instead of daming the whole thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will always need coal, natgas, nuclear, or hydro as a baseline power source for at least the next 50 years if not longer.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe something like those could be used in some ocean area's'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been around decades'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could set up vast farms using localized power sources, but to share the unused resources we'd have to essentially electrocute everyone by sending all that extra power zooming forever up and down the power grid.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most storage batteries reek or smell '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future is wireless energy....go go Tesla!'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that'd be the end-of-days for society.  Imagine all the feats the stupid-people bloc could do with wireless energy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wireless is fine, if you don't mind frying your brain'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is ok, I have a bunker.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that "wireless energy" is an lsd or hookah-pipe drug dream
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't matter if you have a bunker, they have access to the power.  One wrong move could bring the whole thing crashing down around you and then you'd be sitting in the dark.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why I have a powered bunker with its own power sources, and backups. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places used to be covered in trees from front to back, wind-energy might be less intrusive in places like that than in places which have been more open'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since the tree's probably slowed the wind speed somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You see, back in the 1960s and 70s, the US govt built hundreds of communication bunkers incase there was a nuclear war....they wanted to make sure that the pre-internet stayed up so that military communications would keep going.....well, now you can buy those $12 million comm bunkers for $200k :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why bother building a forest, though?  They're working on wind-turbine "kites", kept aloft somehow (balloons?) and kept on a leash, to get up to the bigger winds'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my grandma remembered a company in california having started building electric car's in the 90's - which was bought and destroyed by somebody else, and possibly in 1885 rover corporation had already invented the first electric cars'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the energy-efficiency of high-power lasers is less than 100% -- the energy-efficiency of solar-panels is less than 100% -- so except for solar energy, economical "wireless energy" is unlikely '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that alot of the destruction and un-neccessary waste in the world is intelligently designed by the people who run those things'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'OMG!  Yogi, it's a trap!  Quick, GET OUT OF THERE!'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many tech companies have been buying up those old comm bunkers to put database farms inside, because the 3 foot thick concrete walls and 10 feet of earth on top is a great insulator.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but i think wind should be treated like any other element in the 'evolution theory', up high at this point on earth it wasn't obstructed in the past - what could be the 1.5 billion year reaction to change, if it's large?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind energy is sexy....'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again I am biased.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who wouldn't want a bunker like that in their backyard?  i think it'd be pretty good - how big are they?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you use a vacuum cleaner to get off, like Alan Harper'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's much more efficient to use a milk machine, Zade.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, my bunker is 20,000 sq feet, most of them were around that size.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are hundreds of them all over the country.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's huge'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'Are we STILL talking about cockroaches?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when I bought it, it had a 10,000 gallon water tank, 5000 gallon diesel tank, a 24,000 watt diesel generator....and it still freaking works btw.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has its own septic system, water well, comm tower, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's awesome'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good fine'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'find*'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we've moved on to flying windmill farms and the sexual advantages of a milk machine.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'water tank and diesel tank were in good shape too?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, no leaks that the engineer could tell.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'awesome'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has a 6 ton metal door also, and 2 emergency hatches.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that sounds like the kind of fort i'd like to have, lol'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm jealous now'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is really cool, I love working on it :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just don't kill your wife and kids and expect to hide out there.  It's not safe at all.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the elevator can hold 2 tons, and there is an emergency staircase to the top level next to the elevator.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that guy in washington'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wow, and an elevator to the surface'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does it lead into the comm tower?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the comm tower is a basic metal comm tower, like a cell tower.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and this is all yours for just 250k, that's incredible'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, ok'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is 150 feet tall though, going to have a cell phone company put a cell thingy on it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so I can get wifi :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice, maybe get royalties to it'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'open up your own isp too, why not'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bought it on the spot, because it wasnt full of water....most of them are full of water.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who do you call to go looking at them?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I cleaned it up, added stucco to the walls, cleaned up the metal staircase, elevator, added modern efficient appliances to the kitchen, etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rewired the electrical system to DC and AC power.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I got lucky and called a local real estate agent who found the listing.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'upgraded the well pump, have outside power also, but have a cutoff switch if the grid goes down.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it physically disconnects the bunker from the grid so that surges do not destroy my electrical system.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you really wanna have a safe haven from a attack or something, you probably want to go to where there isn't much people at all, and most stuff is off-grid'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, west texas is sparsely populated. :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd like to own a cottage or something out in the middle of nowhere, maybe near some good fishing'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the water well is unlimited water, have solar panels for backup power, and 2 small wind turbines to recharge the batteries.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since the diesel wont last forever.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I enjoy going to the bunker, shutting everything off, the emergency lights turn on, and just sitting in the lazy boy chair in the living room....no sound at all and just think about things.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i'd do that too'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i probably would move into it though'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe toss a ordinary house up top and attempt to erase it's presence from the record books'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thought about that, but it isnt on the property rolls anyways.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I havent gotten a property tax notice ever since I bought it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'How would you uncloud a mind? Just curious thought.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by taking a shower ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'case of beer'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nowadays, and apparently with Rizgoth's money, you just turn off the internet.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'nah.. That's surpressing it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bunker also has a 20 year supply of emergency food, thousands of seeds for the underground greenhouse, and all the tools you will need just in case.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'lol.. Who is paranoid? Why you need all the supplies and a fortified bunker? You making preparations for ww3? Lmfao.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I use it for a vacation house.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have always been intrigued by underground homes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you ever hear about that cool home built in a cave?  All rounded walls with no corners whatsoever.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was reading about a groundscraper that is being built in Japan....instead of going up into the sky...it goes down into the ground...about 200 stories.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Isn't Japan a little bit ...uh... geologically unstable for earthworks like that?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'so am I. You should see my design I draw for an underground living area. It's perfect. Underground, right beneath the house. Like a basement.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I wonder if the guy was able to sell the home....he was apparently bankrupt and couldnt afford the mortgage.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cave house would be cool.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I saw this movie earlier tonight and was astonished by such idiocy and ignorance... Based on a documentary and true story. Catholic pastors performing excorsism ... Lmfao. Omg... They are so ..speechless. I can't believe they actually agreed to publish that crap. Hahaha...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Chris Matthews was on Jeopardy! recently.  They gave him the answers and he STILL couldn't win.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'll take famous titties for 400.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Michelle Williams in Brokeback Mountain! Wait--what?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US is going to export natgas to India, so that India does not have to import natgas from Iran.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The India natgas plant is probably a major reason Enron failed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, just love johnsonville smoked sausage hotdogs.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i has some beer and spaggheti'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'hi'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the scandal about the "rogue servers" that all seem to be coming from China '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You mean the ones that the FBI was talking about, with the disdirect virus?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'misdirect, even.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Canada a third world country because Canada is seeking Chinese investment monies so that Canada may be exploited further'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Harper government for a temporary profit seems to be intent on selling Canada to the Chinese'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'canada is sitting on top of the world, offering to play three card monte with any and all who walk by with money in their pocketses'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which country is getting fleeced while playing that bad analogy (three card full monte)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'china has never repaid their pre-revolutionary debt, they can't call the debts in'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the quality-of-goods in stores these days seems to be increasingly shoddy -- suspect those shoddy goods are coming from China'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'and in time their government will topple, and canada will play the same game, all debts are null and void'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'the quality of goods in relation to their price has never been higher'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'says Science: sugar makes you dumb.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'it is just that the price of higher quality goods has risen in response'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US doesn't pay their debts, either. The US defaulted to England so it is no longer a sovereign state, by definition. '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the excessive use of plastics in goods instead of more durable metals is leading to shoddiness in high-priced items '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs at Zade mercilessly.
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you just noticed that? That's been going on since the late '70s'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides what do you expect from a country where people buy wood veneer?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'When did the US default to England? I can't find anything about it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'also where did he get his definition of sovereign country.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Huawei or No way" - by Stephen Colbert or rather by a Chinese clone'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is selling out Canada's electronic security and perhaps indirectly setting the stage to fulfil a nostradamus prophecy'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill C38 (Canada)-- unemployed teachers to be taking jobs as taxi drivers and Mcdonalds employees -- good or bad ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'id rather drive a taxi'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and risk getting mugged instead of indigestion ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'those dudes carry huge guns'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not in Canada'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is the month of season finales on TV, and they are not replacing them with decent new tvshows'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Greece may go bankrupt as early as next month'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The United States defaulted on its national debt obligations in 1790 and again in 1933'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't say they never defaulted. I asked when they defaulted to England. In 1790, the fed assumed the state debt from the war, deferred interest for 10 years, and then paid it off.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'right before the irs was created, interesting'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And 1933 was just the US switching from gold to paper notes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is still a default. Default means you didn't pay when you were supposed to. If you pay later, that might make you a nice guy but you are still a defaulter.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your mom is'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But how was England involved? And how does it affect US sovereignty?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Surely you're not suggesting that we borrowed money from England to fund the Revolutionary War? Or WWI?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a nation can't be sovereign if it's beholding to another nation, by definition. '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the new "Sherlock" series only produces three 85 miuute shows per season -- Brits are lazy even if the new "Sherlock" shows are seemingly profitable'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the US defaulted its loans, it theoretically forfeited whatever collateral in used, just because the holder of the bond didn't make the claim doesn't relieve the issue.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except soverign debt isn't collateralized. And in both of the examples you mentioned, the debts were repaid eventually.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'loss of sovereignty is a common thing nowdays, anyway. Any nation that borrows from the World Bank effectively relinquishes sovereignty. The conditions of the loan makes the borrowing nation a client of the bank. '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"nuke a nation based upon a flimsy and false accusation" -- no credibility there'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'eventually is not  good enough'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Zade.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If you owe me ten bucks, and promise me your bike, and pay back the debt ten years late, I can't take the money and your bike.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The time to take the collateral, if such a thing were used for soverign debt, would be during the default.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If I say ten years later is ok, and you pay me ten years later, that's an amended loan agreement.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the conditions of the loan is as follows, you lend me x and hold the bike as collateral. I default, so by the conditions of the loan, the bike is yours. Even if I pay the money back. The default is absolute, the bike is yours, the only reason I might pay you back after that is to strengthen my credit with you, which is what the US did.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for 10 years or so, the lender was without the cash, you can't ever remedy that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'politics is pragmatic, and reneging is a common practice'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But that doesn't mean that 120 years later there is any remaining claim.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so are drive-by-shootings, that doesn't make them right.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you might be that forgiving, Oath.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It sounds like you read a lot of right-wing conspiracy sites, but that you don't understand a lot of it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I don't mean that in an insulting way. I just mean that you aren't making any sense.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, right, the US didn't default, it's a lie by US-haters.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't say that. I've said I didn't say that. I just don't understand what you're saying about it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And I'm not sure you do, either.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's simple if a nation defaults on its debt, it loses its soverignty, period.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if you think that's trivial, you ought to see what that claim causes in a ordinary court of law in the US.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'no, if nation defaults on its debt, many gamblers lose their stakes'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are laws that the US can't enforce, in theory, because it isn't a sovereign nation.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'example?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you mean like speed limits on the highways?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that nations who loan money to the US should have been aware that they were gambling? I get your point.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you lend to someone who promises no collateral and can change the terms at will, and if that someone refuses to pay... tough luck.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'investing money is always risky'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you were to put your bike up as collateral in a loan, promising to hand over the bike upon default and actually handing it over are two different things'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you don't hand the bike over it is even worse :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends... for who.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you transition from being a dead beat to being a thief :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a nation that's merely a thief is pretty good, considering most are robbers and murderers'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I agree. I wasn't making a moral issue of it :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the point here is that agreeing to limit your own sovereignty and actually doing it are completely different things. No one really expects the latter to happen, unless the country is feeling particularly generous.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't greece practically do it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the level of hypocrisy that is required to sit in judgment of other nations while being a deadbeat nation has to be pretty high :) '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thought lots of their leaders pretty much just walked off the job or something'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an agreement that says something like "hey, in exchange for X, we'll agree to screw ourselves over if Y happens" can be regarded as not worth the paper it's written on.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the evolutionary scheme, "better to be a rich thief than an honest pauper" -- do not listen to crooked "lawyers" telling you be honest and poor'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, then you intended to default when you took the money. I see.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to the OT, "usury" is a "crime"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the other side will scream bloody murder, even though everyone expected you to do it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's all part of the whole great diplomatic act'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you are saying, Sonshi, is that there is no way to enforce repayment, except by reducing the debtor's sovereignty, of course. '
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so when a nation borrows money, it does with the full intention of  defaulting.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is trolling'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you expect them to hold to it, you'd have to be prepared to use sufficient force, at least...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the Greece problem is pratically solved :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let them default and then go about their business :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nations don't borrow money with the intent if defaulting, usually. They borrow with the intent of honouring it as long as things don't go too badly.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so their currency goes down the toilet? Do what Mexico did, devide the price of goods by 1000000.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish banks loaned me money under those conditions :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a country usually winds up doing that sort of thing when the alternatives seem worse.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Chase, let me 20K, I'll pay you back if I can.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you see, those guy are prepared to use force...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(guys)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so am I :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let the bill collector knock on my door...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it also matters if you are able to use sufficient force'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but legally, Chase can't use any force at all.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not the kind of force nations can use, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they can and are willing to crush you like a bug, you don't have much choice there'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, who would have thought that there were a 2-tier system :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their force on you is greater - they can sue you and sic the legal system on you...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, and I move to the People's Park in Berkeley and they can get all the money they can from me :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while your average country will laugh in the face of such attempts in most cases'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you have nothing left for them to take, that's a different matter...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ecuador is not laughing. They borrowed money from the World Bank and they are practically a tenant state.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the alternatives are still better than default. Or at least, their leadership believes so'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they can only invest the money in projects that the World Bank approves, and they projects must be implemented only by companies that are approved by the World Bank... Somehow that precludes any local companies from participating. I wonder why...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos won't be able to play aardwolf anymore if they take everything from the defaulting Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If they were able to handle their own affairs, and if they were able to handle their debts, they'd have allies that would buy their bonds and they wouldn't need the world bank.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I have more than one laptop and the location of the others are secret :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they can default and take the external consequences... if they do so the world bank won't be able to touch internal affairs. It's a choice any indebted country has'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the World Bank is obviously corrupt -- the World Bank is there is exploit victims'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those countries don't have to take their deals...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just like those prepaid credit cards that tack a fee on every transaction, even checking your balance. If you end up dealing with a 'lender of last resort' you're gonna get raked over the coals.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the World Bank, the Trilateral Commission, they are all corrupt and led by US interests, though I can't imagine why that is significant :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the deals they offer may be crappy, but there's a reason why they take it, because they really need the cash.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, they need the cash but they really don't get it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"and kiddies do not require to take the candy and get into the van"'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sort of like buying furniture at the rent to own store.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no one's stopping them from doing a full argentina'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ecuador, for instance, is just a conduit for the money to travel from the vaults of the World Bank to their cronies.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ecuador just makes the transaction "legal" if there is an audit.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as long as the elections are free, you get the government you deserve, oftentimes'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is it my fault if the people I live near are retards?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, Sonshi, what is a free election? Have you ever heard of one?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, your fault, if you beggared them into retards'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can be considered free as long as the barriers to entry are not too onerous, and the vote isn't rigged'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Vakieh, birds of a feather...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, that's a good definiton, Sonshi. Now just tell me where in the world do you find elections like that?'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "free" elections in Russia -- some suspect those elections were rigged'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sadly, we are all part of a community... if you live in a sea of fools, maybe you should consider moving, or educating your neighbours.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in russia's case, I think it goes beyond mere suspicion'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't be foolish enough to educate my neighbors, there are less painful ways to commit suicide.'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'free elections happen in many places...'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even back home, the elections are free, even if they aren't very fair'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Pick any nation and you will see that the electoral corruption is apparent. That is why I laugh when they send independent observers to emerging nations :) When origin nation of the observers have a stake in the election :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, you can only shift the electoral boundaries so much, and sue your opponenents so much, before the voters turn on you...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the voters are at sea, in dreamland, drugged on something. It is obvious to anyone who looks that elections are corrupt.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, our opposition candidates don't report any irregularities during the counting, as far as I know...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if a majority of elected official could stand up to an investigation of electoral practices.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the candidates themselves are the best monitors...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'opposing candidates don't report corruption because they themselves practice it, they lose because they are outplayed not because they are good and the others are evil :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Then why are there court cases in the US every couple years about irregularities in election procedures?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Catching your opponent is just as good as getting more votes. It's not about what you've done. It's about what you can prove they've done.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gore and The Bush are a classic example. The only reason Gore allowed the Supreme Court to make that horrendously illegal decision was because he was afraid that further scrutiny would uncover the dirt he was hiding.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or it could be that the US is a republic, and not a democracy, and that the popular vote is meaningless.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US is a corporatist Democratic Theatre.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can vote for anyone, so long as it is one of these 2 people who think alike on 99% of policies.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I dunno about all that. It's a republic. The electoral commission decides who gets elected. They follow the will of the people, generally, but you don't directly vote on a person.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US is a republic and not a democracy, but that Supreme Court is not the Electorial College. Further, the constitution prohibits the Justice branch of the government to enact laws, that is the absolute province of the Congress.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they usurped the authority of the congress, which by constitutional writ are charged with determining who the president is in situations where the results of the elections do not yield a winner for whatever reason.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The courts only handled the procedures of the recounts.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They didn't choose anyone or decide which votes were accepted. That was handled by the Florida election commission.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even further, the claim by Bush that the country could not operate without a sitting government was patently false. There was ample precedent to reject that claim. It took 6 months, for instance, for Lincoln to be declared president.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they voted for Bush's claim, that made their decision a law. The law now states that there can't be undue delay before a president sits in office, even if it means bypassing the constitution.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the decision by the USSC set a precedent that will be invoked again when convenient.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except that it wasn't a signed decision.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so who was sat in office?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Per Curiam is the term.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'defaulting to the previous President until a new President was "officially" decided and thus "elected" was an alternative option'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I ask you this, Oath. Was Bush elected president of the United States? Can that be proven?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He was elected in the same way all presidents have been elected....'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Zade, which is what they did in the days when there wasn't a quick means to count votes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some say GW Bush was "appointed" not "elected"'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'like all presidents'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be proven as well as it can be proven for any other election in US history...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'We don't know that, Rarr. Not all the votes were counted, so we don't know who actually won the election.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think if there was any proof, it would be hard to convince a hungry reporter to sit on it. As much scrutiny as the Florida recount has faced, and as many people who have tried to find evidence of outright fraud, it'd be very hard to keep quiet.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I assume all tallots are archived, so they could be checked?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not all votes are counted in any election that has ever happened'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There are *always* fuckups.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'checked by whom? The USSC rejected that request by Gore.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In a democratic country, all votes are counted.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a democratic country, they technically attempt to count all the votes'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is not a democracy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The votes were counted. Gore requested a recount of 4 counties by hand, and they did not finish by the deadline provided in Florida law.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a group of newspapers went back and re-counted as well.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue was not in whether to count any given vote, the issue was in whether a given vote could reasonably be known which way that vote was'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'An extension was offered by Florida courts. Bush asked the USSC to vacate that decision, and the USSC did so.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the Florida law was clearly wrong because they disenfranchised the voters. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'had they finished the recount that gore asked for, bush would still have won by a very small amount.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all known/recognized votes were counted'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you say that with certainty, Majic. Unless of course you had a look at the ballots in question.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'had they recounted every single county, the result might have been different.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If a state law can affect the selection of president, the system is broken. Please reboot.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm going off the study done by the national opinion research center actually.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was the point, Ranrr. That is what the USSC failed to acknowledge.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, anaristos, we can say that with as much certainty as every other presidential election in US history'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, why do US citizens accept this?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, an absolutely apolitical entity, I am sure, Majic.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any entity is political in some ways whether it admits it or not.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because they are sheep, Ranrr :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'we accept it because life is pretty damn good for those of use who vote'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what makes the US a stable nation also makes it easier for politicians to manipulate the system. In many nations the problem with the Gore/Bush election would have resulted in open rebellion. Not in the  US, people bought popcorn and sat back and watched. They couldn't really care one way or the other what the issues involved were, they would go along with whatever.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, they went and reviewed all of them. there are several different ways they could have recounted them. some are obvious, where they checked a candidates name and wrote in the same name. some others are less obvious, where there was a very faint mark or where they checked two candidates.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, to tell you the truth, I am betting that goth Gore and Bush stuffed the ballots. I would have done the election over :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both*'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'under any strategy, bush wins if they only recount those 4 counties. under some strategies, gore would have won in a complete statewide recount.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you think they couldn't stuff the ballot box again? any stuffing can be re-stuffed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The most important thing is that, since 2000, the federal government funded changes to election procedures. So we learned from our mistakes and improved the process.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course they could, but the count would still be different, the results weren't guaranteed for Bush.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so we should just redo the election until the guy we like wins? :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it takes a lot of nerve to cheat in a state where your  brother is governor. That, to me, was a slap on the face of the electorate. But as I said, the US is a nation of sheep, they just say "OK".'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not really. The US is a nation of laws. And the laws determined how the matter was handled. Not individual preference. And afterwards, HAVA made the process even better.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what law allows for candidates to stuff the ballots?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are laws against it, if it can be proven.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just saying "oh his brother was governer, of course he cheated" isn't good enough.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the USSC had no authority to make that decision, so, that leaves what?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Technically, the Florida SC didn't have the authority to modify the recount deadline in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, that's the point. You would have thought that to make sure no one would accuse the Bush family of conspiring to manipulate the election, they would have agreed to the recount. Instead, they acted as if they were hiding something, because they were.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or they acted like the decision of Florida's elected lawmakers mattered.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And they did finish the recount, though it was non-binding. And the results favored Bush in just about every way you looked at it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is all old news, let it go'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There were a lot of flaws in their recount procedure, anyway. Which have since been addressed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bush won, get over it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jeb sent the AG to block the recount, so if that is not direct interference, they I don't know what is. He showed no obvious  concern for the integrity of the electoral process in his state.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that Obama is going to take Florida? :>'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You're just upset because there are few opportunities for 'your mom' jokes in this discussion, Star. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'brb'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore there were a lot of flaws in ballot design in a few counties'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just think it's pointless to cry about how George W. Bush "stole" the election'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, it will be years before the nation recovers from Bush winning that election :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He won, he served two terms, he did a damn fine job, it's over.  Let it go.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some suspect that the Bush family directly and indirectly conspired with the Bin Laden family '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: '2 of those statements are completely factual!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GW Bush ruined the USA'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please, ballot design flaws?  Ballots are designed to be so stupidly simple that even your retarded mom's sister could figure them out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he did a damn find job? Wow, human perception is varied :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'he certainly didnt help'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, they had a two-page ballot and some people were extremely confused by it. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'personally i think that's evidence of being too knuckle-headed to vote, but hey.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(some counties)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Lots of places in Florida had butterfly ballots.  It's not hard to see how some people misvoted on them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If people were "Extremely confused" by the ballot then I'd argue that they were "extremely stupid" and had no business voting anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We have a two page ballot where I live too, nobody has problems figuring it out'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I agree. Warm body democracy never works.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'As Heinlein loved to mention, bread and circuses.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think we should go with 'service equals citizenship'.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'here's a (rather biased) website with a pic of the ballot, http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/fl2000.htm'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Starship Trooper ?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf, Leinei?  Come on, have a bit of common sense.  The things are laid out so stupidly simple that an illiterate retard could figure them out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, Zade. That book had a lot of politics in it. But it's something he went into in just about all of his books.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's see, he had 2 or 3 hundred thousand Iraquis killed, a few thousand US soldiers killed. Made Enron and Holliburton superstars, killed a few more thousand Afghani's and a few more thousand US troops, made hugh profits for financial institutions that would later default. Gee, I wish all presidents were like that. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Here's an actual ballot: http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'd actually agree w/him tho he wasn't the first to have the idea. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not even the Ragan was that crappy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'people read top-to-bottom.  It's not hard to see how someone thought the second hole was for the second canditate'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they were confused, they didn't bother to read.  These are the same fucktard people who create new chars here who can't be arsed to read a goddamn helpfile.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but the heavily democratic county that used those ballots had a fuckload more people vote for reform than any other county in the state.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, the constitution of the US does not require intelligence as a factor when enfranchising the people. It does require that anyone who qualifes by law to elect a candidate can do so without any undue problems.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that, btw, is not evidence that 'bush stole florida', it's evidence that the officials in that county suck at designing balloets. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unfortunately, Anaristos, it would seem that the general public's stupidity is a problem'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bush didn't steal Florida, he won it fair and square and I'm sorry that the Dems were butthurt by that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sorry that they were even more butthurt the second time around.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'GWB still won.  Deal with it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Yes, Majic, it is possible that Bush, whose brother controls the political machinery of the state, was not aware of the potential manipulation of those counties...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'he lost the popular vote the first time'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls her eyes in disgust at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, I am agreeing with you. Bush may not have known.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I tell you, if he didn't know, someone in his camp would know. Like 9/11 he didn't know what was going on :>'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I don't think that's correct. You had to be a property owner until the 1820s.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd consider it extremely unlikely that jeb bush knew about it either. I'd consider it vaguely possible that someone in the local palm beach government designed it that way.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There is no 9/11 conspiracy'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's correct, Oath. Only landowners could vote till then. Absolute proof that the US was a republic and not a democracy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not like Gore was the first person to get more popular votes and lose.  It's happened 3 or 4 times.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'its all on the puppetmaster, whoever that is'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just not since the 19th centurty.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure there was, it involved osama and a bunch of his guys'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The US has always been a republic'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am glad that I finally found a witness, Sonshi. I am hoping you can testify to what actually happened :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Starling, but it claims to be a democracy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heck, John Quincy Adams got less than 31% of the popular vote, but still got more electoral college votes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And in many ways, it is.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All our local officials are democratically elected.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Frankly, I'm glad that national offices aren't democratic, because the general public is too stupid to make any informed decision'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in no way it is, a democracy and a republic are not compatible. They are entirely two different animals. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what country are you from?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the power in the US belongs to the landowners, the States.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter what country I am from :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They're not entirely incompatible.  A (very few) decisions are made democratically.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, it does'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no it doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you're not from the US, then fuck off and go pound sand.  Our local and state officials are all elected democraticaly.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Isn't every national office besides the president either democratically elected or appointed?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It matters in the sense of whether your a participant, or merely outside looking in.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter where I am from, I pay taxes in the US, so I am going to bitch if I want to.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, they're dumb enough to vote for sherrifs, even!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and here we go, the same design was used in the 1996 election and caused misvotes, but it didn't affect the election outcome and so nobody either noticed or cared. the woman who designed the ballot for the 2000 election, however, was a registered democrat.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You pay taxes but aren't a citizen?  Good, pay your taxes and shut the hell up.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the US is as democratic as China is communist'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they took r jobs!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'did I say I wasn't a citizen? Paying taxes is good enough, though. If you pay to support the system you are entitled to criticize it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'der tuk der jubs!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the ballots uniform all across Florida, or were they different in Democrat counties to those in Republican counties'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'China is not comunist, there is no such animal.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they were not uniform all across florida. they are designed in each case by the local official. it was palm beach county, however, where the biggest error rate was found and the stupidest ballot design.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'it's almost as if things cannot exist in absolute pure states'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In any case, there are no "misvotes"'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, only pure things are in absolute pure states.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you "misvote" then sorry, you didn't bother to take a second to read the damned ballot'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure there are. it's just that in most cases they cancel each other out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, what about the dead voters?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you are too goddamn stupid to read the freakin' ballot, YOU SHOULD NOT BE VOTING, period.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The problem is that the people that are that "stupid" and wanted to vote republican did so.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling. I understand you. Democracy, as you claim that exists in the US, is only for the intelligent.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the ones that wanted to vote democrat didn't'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the suspicion is that some of the Florida ballots were *deliberately* misdesigned so as to cause misvoting'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh here we go, imm alt, people who vote Republican are stupid.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'voting only for the landed classes! Nay, only for the nobility!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but millions of smart people didnt vote at all'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So much for your neutrality.  Step down.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei looks at Starling but draws a blank.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you misread what I wrote'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'What he's saying is that there are stupid people in both parties. The stupid Republicans found it easier to find their candidate than the stupid democrats due to the ballot design.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The democrats were grasping at "misvotes" in a desperate attempt to salvage their failed campaign.  There were no misvotes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That doesn't make sense, Majic.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, it does. Because the republican candidate was the top name on the left and the first hole down the middle.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The democrat candidate was the second name on the left and the third hole down the middle.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's damn hard to not figure out what section you're voting on in a punchcard ballot'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you want democracy to work, it should be mandatory to vote'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And again, if the nitwits had bothered to read, they wouldn't have "misvoted"'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the pic was already posted, http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They didn't bother to read, they get what they get.  SORRY, read better next time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, starling, but the point he's trying to make is that it was easier for the nitwits of one side to find their candidate than the nitwits of the other side, due to poor ballot design, NOT due to republican conspiracy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, it wasn't, if everyone had bothered to read there would be absolutely no difference'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'iow, the ballot design in question sucks and shouldn't (and isn't) being used again.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the problem is that not everyone bothered to read carefully, thus inadvertently skewing the results one way.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If the two names were switched on the ballot, there would've been an estimated 4,000 more votes for Gore and 4,000 less votes for Bush'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That sounds fair to you?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know about anyone else, but when I vote, I *read* the ballot over, completely, before marking a single item.  Every single time.  It takes a minute, that is all.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you mean it's not okay to make sure that all the dumb people who want to vote for you do, and all those who want to vote for the other guy don't? Perish the thought!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mandatory voting, btw, is a stupid idea because it'd just result in people going straight down the list marking the top name on the list to get it over with.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Leinei, I would READ the names.  It doesn't matter what order they're in.  I read them and make sure I understand them first.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if people don't want to vote, making them is just going to skew results in stupid ways.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not how it happens back home. At least, I don't think so.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You're rather missing the point, Starling, but I'm not sure if it's intentional or not. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm not'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't dispute that Bush won the election as it was held.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It all comes down to personal responsibility'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. But the lack of personal responsibility affected the democratic voters far more heavily. That is why that ballot design won't be used again, because it skews votes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sorry, Granola. :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Then maybe the democrats should take that up with their idiot constituents'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or maybe we should just try not to use ballots like that again, since most of the other counties didn't have that issue.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't blame the Republicans for Democrats' stupidity.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, those who disagree with you have to exercise personal responsibility, but if you agree with me, you don't have to. It's that simple! Why don't you get it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'When did I blame the republicans?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I blamed the idiot who designed the ballot.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(who was a democrat)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or maybe the Democrats should just be arsed to read.  And not just the democrats, but all voters.  Good fuckin' god, is it really that hard to read a damn ballot?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Apparently, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And should we continue using the ballots, but put the Republican's name in the place where it's going to get someone accidentally voting for the Random Bullshit party instead?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But you know, you KNOW, if the situation had been reversed, if it had been Republicans screaming about "misvoting", nobody would have given the least of a damn.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'All I'm saying is that the ballots were stupidly designed and won't be used again. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, shouldn't.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People would have said "stupid republicans, should have learned to read!"'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you wouldn't get the same effect, now that everyone screamed bloody murder over it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course not, only those who disagree with my side should be held to any sort of standard!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And there are plenty of people who said that about the democrats, and you'd also get plenty of people screaming bloody murder. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because nobody wants to be stupider than the stupidest person from that election by making the same mistake again.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Personally, I don't think "misvoting" affected anything, if people don't read and are stupid then they're just going to mark the wrong thing, regardless of party, and it will be cancelled out.  These democrats are just ass-hurt that their lame campaign didn't work, they couldn't just gracefully admit defeat, they had to run it all the way to the Supreme Court and scream "misvote" and "biased system".  Typical liberal bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Pretty much all of your points there are factually incorrect.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, prove it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, your candidate lost.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The reason the misvoting affected democrats more is because the Republicans, who wanted to vote for the first name on the list, had to punch the first hole.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And you know what, ours beat you twice.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Um, Gore wasn't my candidate.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Get. over. it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The Democrats, who wanted to vote for the second name on the list, had to punch the third hole. That's why.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And there's not a chance in hell I'd have voted for Gore. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And as I said, if your constituents are so goddamn dumb that they just blindly vote for the first person on the list, TOO BAD.  Take it up with them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'They're not blindly voting for the first person on the list. That's the Republicans. They're trying to vote for the second person on the list by punching the second hole.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this kind of reminds me of students arguing over points on a homework... you can point out the errors...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they had bothered to READ, they would have punched the correct hole.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They didn't read.  TOO BAD.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Starling seems okay with ballot design scams and voting fraud'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Whereas the Republicans didn't have to bother to read.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit, if the names had been reversed the Republicans still would have won because Republicans are smarter than Democrats.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am NOT saying that we should overturn the election based on shitty ballots. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Oh, bullshit. Both parties have about an equal percentage of stupid people in them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, well, our stupid people won and theirs didn't.  Too bad!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Again, the point is not to try to overturn the past election. The point is not to use ballots like that again.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one thing voters tend not to understand on an almost universal scale is that if the item to be voted on is unclear in any way you can have an official come explain it to you.  Perhaps we're all too embarassed to let others think we might be more retarded than we realize.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Honestly, there ought to just be a federal ballot standard that is invariable from state to state, locale to locale.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree with you on that, as a matter of fact.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans are shown to be less intelligent because they vote republican'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So, xyliz, what accounts for your level then?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats print results saying they won...before they won.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'PLUS, I would randomize the order of the names on the ballots.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, that's happened before on multiple parties, hans, people always want to be the first to get the news out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dewey wins!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dewey defeats Truman!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Didn't HAVA mostly eliminate butterfly ballots? I was trying to look it up but can't find anything specific.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, 1) federal ballot standard, 2) randomized order of names.  That should eliminate any effects due to "misvoting"'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Also, news outlets use exit polls and speculate about the winner before the results are official. Mistakes in that sort of reporting happen all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think the federal standard would be enough.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Even though "misvoting" is BULLSHIT and is simply due to FAILURE TO GIVE ENOUGH OF A SHIT TO BE ARSED TO READ.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might as well go the whole hog and introduce instant runoff'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but failure to be arsed to read should hurt both parties equally :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think the "Help Americans Vote Act" did put in federal standards, and helped fund purchasing new machines.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm reading about it now.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then 5 minutes later the machines got hacked by bored teenagers.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the good things is that now they'll replace your ballot if you realize you fucked it up.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also if you overvote the system is supposed to tell you 'dude, pick just one''
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then a few years after that, they got hacked again.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in Florida :)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, were the Florida ballots printed (partially or wholely) using faint pastel colors and or small print, and were the voting booths poorly lighted '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, diebold has a great track record...good thing they make almost all the ATMs'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Zade, the Mexicans were just too stupid'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... I must remember to spend all my euros the next time I stop over in germany, provided they haven't left the euro.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, wait, Floria.  I meant Cubans.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Puerto Ricans, too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was also all kinds of noise and distraction from all the intimidating gangs'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck Puerto Ricans'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, fuck puerto ricans...some of 'em are hot'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we went to vote on a highway bill or something, and some guy on the democrat side lost an ear!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high frequency noise above the hearing threshold is know to discombobulate mental processes -- causes the voter to be uncomfortable'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'known'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Does it matter if the noise is digital or analog?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most high frequency generated loud noises are artificial'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what if they're playing digitized frank sinatra?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'analog is better, you can get real close up to the action when they jump out of their skin when they don't realize you're about to shout in their ear.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They've done studies and found that lots of things influence voters. Flags, colors, people around them.. all sorts of stuff.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and odors, especially odors'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh. like if you smell shit you vote green?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you don't like the smell of old people, petition to have the voting site moved.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Our local spot is in a disability/section 8 apartment building.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WWF calls for global poverty to save the planet'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'austerity measures?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, poverty'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that's what the Progressive Movement wants.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WWF wants the western world to collapse in order to 'save the planet''
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just for that i'd like to go and shoot a panda'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a Progressive stance.  It's just another case of an unrelated organization getting infiltrated.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the western world provides more resources than the other side - also having so much abundance of actual resources, not being able to participate in them because of money'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like the Republicans and the Tea Partiers or the Democrats and the Liberals.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if saving the planet means not providing all of those resources, then they're not the only ones - lots of people see destruction as destruction'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other places, like austria, provide human resources and services, like being laywers, artists, advisors'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and dictators'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and murderers'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and those are jobs worth alot more money than sending a hundred million tonnes of minerals across the ocean, which is managed by an austrian'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it just seems like tyranny to me'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what seems like tyranny to you?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how one country dictates another country, while providing nothing sentient to the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't have to live with the costs of uranium mining, for instance'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they live somewhere else - and who gets the money from it's trade?  not the country you manage'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Diamond Gusset Jeans got it, others don't'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you know'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '202-224-3121, HCR107, get your congressman to support it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's the english version?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no english version, that's an american resolution in the american congress'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would make going to war by the president without the consent of congress an impeachable offense'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which it is anyway, but the resolution reinforces it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can't really agree with that, so no.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you agree with it? it's in the american constitution'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever known a group of politicians to make quick decisions?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's the point, though'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole thing is set up so that the excesses of a bad monarchy won't ruin the country'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a protection that was deliberately put in by the founding fathers'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing patriotic about illegal wars'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have to admit, he had balls...a man goes into a Walmart in Fenton, MO and scarfs down a beef sausage, an ice cream pop, and a burrito, washing it down with a soda, all in front of a cop, then walked out without paying (arrested).'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sometimes stupidity looks like balls'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stupidity would mean he didn't see the cop...in this case, he just didn't care and did it anyways.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The federal reserve bank of Cleveland has a 10 foot thick vault door that weighs 100 tons...'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And no human has entered the vault in 10 years, only robots are allowed inside.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bank has $120 billion in cash in the vault.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Tyler Durden says God doesn't like the Greeks.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the greeks worshipped the wrong God :p'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I find it hilarious that the guy who blew up a bunch of credit card skyscrapers is now a financial blogger.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, almost impossible to rob a bank now - but that doesn't mean it's impossible for banks to rob everybody else'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bank gets in the way of the government, and it's citizens rely on it to organize money - and now electronics gets in the way of the bank, and the government, and it's citizens - and provides even less security and more opportunities for fraudulent funding'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm kind of old fashioned about it, i think when people put their money in a bank then that's where it should stay, maybe bank transfers could be done directly by a government service, with offices around the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unfortunately money these days is WAY more complicated than that'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'investment and stuff in anonymous companies for more money's attracticve to people though'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'it's pretty easy getting rich. Just write 10 stupid songs and publish it... You are rich. Or invent a medical techno thingy and there you go....or best!!become corrupted.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I mean repeating 3 words in a song for 4 min and 25 seconds and people go crazy about it. See? Simple.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think most rich people actually earned their money themselves, sometimes they might be representitives of private interest groups and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'music, I play it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's all about HOW you say it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of the billionairres and other rich people just seem too unlikely, comparatively to all the failures of the world, to have accumulated that on their own'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what you say is of course, important as well, but the subliminals of it, the taste and subtleties, even a shitty pop song has it right'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'reading the people and giving them what they want'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you can do it, then do it and get paid, why not?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I guess so. If you really poor and incredibly lazy, and no care for life kill a dude very gruesomely and plead insane.... They'll book you into a mental hospital and do nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that's a whole different thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'those people are deeply sick in the head'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing the news indicates is that the people who ran greece (somehow tied to canada's economy) transferred most of their private wealth to foreign banks that wouldn't be affected by greek financial problems, and then passed the debt on to the citizens they 'possibly' betrayed, and that's what makes people angry about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'austerity measures and things like that, sounds almost like holodomor to some'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'banks and technology and government and rich people.. and the news'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the richest guy in the world got that way from owning the largest cell phone monopoly in mexico, thanks to the mexican govt that keeps competitors out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'simplified, that's just what i understood from watching the media over the last while'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'True... But look at it this way. Opening 4 bank accounts within each account R1000 or $1000 etc and let it lie for a couple years... By the time you see fit to leave the place, after you done convincing, you would have a steady living. I think.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people who inherit their money own muni and corporate bonds so that they can keep the inheritence, and have low income taxes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of those inheritences are in the form of family trusts.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what legitimate government would support oppression of greek civilians, who were possibly betrayed by their government - that did business with the legitimate governments, who might host some of the banks they transferred to'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're themselves not their government, the debt the government racked up, without evidence of 'memorandum of understanding' their willfull participation in national debt'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'having chosen to ignore the solutions to erronous spending, which possibly weren't offered'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'situations like that just bother me, because of how they appear to be'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more people should buy muni and corporate bonds.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like when criminal activity is kept to other than governments'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so does everyone, really'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'especially the government officials who are criminals'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'It sounds more like conspiracies than facts. I guess the government is corrupted, (SA-Zuma differently corrupted, let them trace me...bring on the heat. I'll slap him with tampons) ... Try me;) ... My point be ... Who can prove anything if none ever looks at the records and see simple flaws. Numbers can easily make people get lost in riddles.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you let it turn you into a fanatic, you become paranoid'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is a weapon that they will use against you'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so no use getting too twisted up about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazing sometimes by what things they keep statistics on and what things they avoid/don't publicize or make issues out of, but seem to know about anyways'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazed*'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sometimes take the most unlikely and outrageous research studies and make them the biggest hit in a decade, but then what they ignore really made sense but wasn't worth their time'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's disrespectful to lots of people, like corporate scientists in canada claiming that something deathlike is really not deathlike, with witness testimony (maybe they live somewhere for 40 years and everything's fine until corporation moves in) not warranting a government interest in whether or not corporation is dealing crookedly with the population'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they put it on the news and no followups, no verification by environmental protection agency, etc - and there's one place in the country that's no longer inhabitable '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need a bunker.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they'll route people's interest towards whether or not the politician has a beard, how much of an issue gay rights are , etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'learn how to coupon really well, and fill your bunker with free food.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gay rights are no issue, give them the same rights as we have so that we can all be human'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no debate about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have anything against homosexuals, they're fine with me - but gay rights versus carbon capture projects that erode the soil, kill foliage, poison the water table, kill animals on the surface and stuff, and generally make living on the surface of the earth, homosexual or not, doable seems like a no-brainer'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but there is one thing to remember about all of this government bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'their problems are some shit that we can't comprehend'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but politicians don't make issues out of real issues, just no-consequence things like homosexuality - which is dealt with harshly in other places - that's true, but shouldn't be much of a problem here'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the kind of shit that would eat ulcers in you and give you heart disease if you had to deal with it on a regular basis'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where you have to pick the least ugly answer among a list of answers that are all ugly, with the lives of millions of people at stake'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't know all about what their purposes and things are, globally as governments, but i don't think most people benefit from their plans'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you literally do not have time to give an uninformed populace a detailed primer on the political situation so that they can understand why you are doing what you are doing'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's just your job to fix it with as little noise as possible'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the government should have secrets from the people'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm fucking glad I don't have to deal with that shit, myself, that's why I don't work for them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the primer should be available, making sense out of the control structure they live in'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why some people have and some don't, etc'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude, they couldn't even if you laid it out for them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're not-crooked and are doing the right thing, why do they have to hide that fact so deep?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not everyone is really equipped to handle dealing with the kind of forces that hold nations and worldwide politics together'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it takes years to get broken to the ugly, nasty necessities of making things work'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth fondly fondles a donkey.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and not everyone should shoulder THAT burden'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no?  but everybody's affected by it to some degree'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you saying santa clause is real?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I had him ignored for a while.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'santa claus is real'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is what I'm talking about'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how can i verify that leader is making valid decisions if i can't see what he's considering?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, the government will always have secrets, there will always be some bullshit, you just have to pick the important bullshit and realize that you will not, and should not know what the whole enchilada is'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a severely fucked up enchilada'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where sometimes you have to murder people with good intentions just to keep the world together'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where his only sin was coming at the problem the wrong way, not the veracity of his solution'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the secrets and bullshit, are they there solely to arrest control of the world for their children, and themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I wouldn't wish that on anyone living in the country, let them have their lives, and let the government deal with awful secrets as best as it can'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can see secret agents and things gathering intelligence, instead of causing intelligence that is later gathered'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the end, if you can still mostly live in a country, it's mostly all right, that's all government is for, keeping shit in line so that we can all live our stupid little lives'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a kind of government system that i can see being neccessarily hidden'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that's the Word.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think people who are the government should be able to do real work like everybody else, they don't though - they basically have fun and that's their job, offering their signature to paper's they're handed, which might send you to war'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'empathetic leaders aren't too numerous these days'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what empathy they focus on is usually only considered for the purpose of gaining control over a percentage of the population'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like obama and homosexuality, was it a national concern of high priority like pollution and how to survive, or a social convenience that is already widely accepted'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's fine if they say ok, they can be legally married but why not talk about things that most people don't see as questions'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's an issue of social justice where a very large percentage of the population believe that homosexuality makes you subhuman'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if sacrifices must be made, then show the national resources, including idle hands and what can be produced from the soil by the people for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and really make them understand why sacrifices must be made, that hidden politics stuff'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i wasn't saying anything bad about obama though, in canada and what they seem to ignore here's more what i think of'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I actually think there's more empathy among government leaders than not'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the pragmatic details of the actual job that crushes people'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to change the system, you have to work with the system'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then the system changes you'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you are strong enough to still go after what you came here for, then maybe you can get something done'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it's a big system, it eats dreams and shits reality'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gotta be real fucking strong to move the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Las Vegas just finished a $2.4 billion airport expansion that adds a 3rd terminal to the international airport.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'couldn't they have explained to young females that they're more than sex objects and restraint until abortion isn't required is a alright thing to do?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'VEGAS BABY!'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'learning your own worth past your sexuality is just part of being adolescent'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they use promiscuous sex to justify a form of homicide, which is a question to people'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even in ancient times there were whores and courtesans'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to learn to recognize what is part of life'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '"they" aren't always fucking us over, when you see injustice in the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a big ass classroom is what it is, only once you graduate you're still there in school'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'either you become a teacher, or you quit going to class'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have one with the other at least, i think'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is no they'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just us'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you respect a guy living in the community, who earns his money by selling women for sex, to you for your money?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Investing in infrastructure is always a good investment.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is that guy'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that whole situation seems impossible to me'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are plenty of people who uphold what is good'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why don't I?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just don't let those who don't smear shit in your mind over the rest of the humble, honest, hardworking people who do care'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's like meeting one slutty bitch and then calling all women whores'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'assuming here that the man is merely a broker facilitating the transaction of sex for money, surely he deserves to make a percentage'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's just what you saw, out of a tiny segment of a huge thing that you can't really see all of'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or you can, but the more you look the more you see you in it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like raising morality and incentives to abstain from promiscuous sex, instead of glorifying the practice in just about every tv show and commercial on television'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kids are impressionable before they have abortions'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck commercials'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's an intelligence test right there, listening to commercials'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Delta airlines has finalized its purchase of an oil refinery.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'smart move for them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't either agree or disagree with abortion, but i do see it as a form of homicide'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not an easy choice for any woman who cares'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'an abortion clinic is better than a coathanger'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'in what way is it homicide?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bottom line.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's willfully killing a person that's growing, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you are killing a homosapien'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh this angle of the issue is useless to debate'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we were once that, egg+sperm and then the growing'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's willingly disrupting the growth of a cluster of living tissue that is not a person'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's just an attempt to rationalize a way past the inescapable emotionally painful choice of whether or not to bring the child into the world'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'at what point do you believe personhood begins?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just egg or just sperm i don't see as a person, but together when they start to grow i think that's a person'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would say, once you get to the third trimester it's pretty fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you should have decided earlier'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how is it a person when it has none of the qualities that would define being a person'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you had 6 months after all'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd have to arrest all the deadbeat mothers who aren't taking care of themselves during pregnancy, and nobody really even wants to go near that can of worms.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Cambodia: that's illegal already'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly, I can agree with that at least'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's still questionable to me, it's growing inside it's mother and lots of them think that's grounds enough to consider it not a person, cause it's not born yet'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they think it's not a person because it isn't yet a person'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine it's not easy for them to have abortions though, and this world isn't the most inviting place as it is'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but women are going to have abortions no matter what you say or do, or what laws you make or what propaganda you put out, or what you feel about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not because it happens to be growing inside of them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if there is no healthy way for them to do it, they will find an unhealthy way, and should a woman be punished like that for making a mistake like that?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'once its detached from the uterus, then its a person? how trivial'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least provide a healthy way and leave the moral question to the woman getting the abortion'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is no intellectual way to "solve" abortion, because it's not an intellectual issue'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's emotional'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'imo personhood can't be said to begin before consciousness'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'fetuses are conscious'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you don't even start forming long term memories until you turn 3 or so'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'protip: fetuses are not conscious '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they can learn in utero'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'spiritually, I think of it as being in an airport, waiting for your flight to Life...and your flight gets delayed'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know what you're saying about healthy and unhealthy, basically the same arguement as why cannabis is illegal and why to legalize + tax it, except it's different cause it's a matter of verifiable life and death'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you just wait around in the land of the unborn until you find someone who wants to take care of you'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it's not'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(although, it's not life yet according to some)'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's something that you can't abolish in any way possible'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Modi: what can they learn?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can only practice damage control'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sure do hope sales tax is applied to abortions.....'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like trying to tell people not to fuck, it's hilarious and stupid'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol riz'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its perhaps the most rapid period of learning in the whole of life'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish laughs out loud at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know about that, but the government has funded viagra programs, sex change operations, contraceptives and plenty of things'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can fund all they want to'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are certain things that people are just going to do, no matter what consequences you set'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think we can get very fundamental about this, but it requires willing participation and a bit of time. what is your definition of life?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we can debate from now until the death of the Sun about what is and isn't life, and when abortion is and isn't murder and it doesn't matter at all'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because the truth is that if a woman does not want her child, she will get rid of him'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or her'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'or it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i said it's questionable to me, i wasn't asserting one way or the other - partly so that i could ask the question of 'how come just about every tv commercial and program' or lots of other media, contains sexually suggestive behaviour on it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because they want to sell you something'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'frankly, these days I don't really care what commercials say, or why they say them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what are they doing to weed the general psychology of repetition out of people, to prevent them having abortions in the first place, cause maybe they made better choices'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'YOU CAN'T.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you never, ever will'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'never.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're not here because we're perfect'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I am'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're here because we're stupid, and have to learn how to live'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a level of flaw upheld by the government though'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, it's a level of flaw accepted by the government'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the government must be ultimately pragmatic about certain things, like I've been saying'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government's a man-made creation like mathematics, it's supposed to provide solutions to problems'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is supposed to keep shit in line'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while democratically considering it's citizens and their priorities'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you need to find your own solutions'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'everyone does'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thinking that the government is supposed to solve your problems is a stupid thing to think'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at best, they can help you with your own solutions'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at BEST.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'that's right because drugs solve problems! It's just a matter of which for the problem you have'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'everytime you kicked your mother's womb you were learning how to walk, every noise you heard was processed'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'honoring a child that you want is so much different than the question of abortion'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you have a spouse that you love, and you want a child, that is a whole different thing'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are a single mother with no support, impregnated by a man that is worthless, and you love children, then you find yourself in the position, humbly considering the circumstances of your life and what you would want to provide for a child that you love, of having to kill a child, because you love children'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think the government should solve my problems, unless they cause them in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I will absolutely not ever pretend to have anything to say to a woman in that position about what she should do.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ever.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'common problems though, those are in the governments domain, aren't they?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a thing I will never have to deal with in my life, not really.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the world is older than the government and even people, as a living creature from the world we're expected to live underneath the rule book of the rich government, whose #1 priority is making very few people rich beyond comparison at the expense of everybody else, and that seems like a crime to me - unless equal opportunity is offered in the world, and it's not - just like slavery, there is no natural way to survive except to serve them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not god, they're not justice, they're injustice'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they need lawyers who specialize in lies to defend the obvious corruption in court, as neccessary'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how they look from here anyways, i'm not the only one who thinks that'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'education for instance, and outsourcing for monetary gains'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh well you do what you can'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm going to play some music, it's been fun.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'rock hard'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'always.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'education should be free for people so that they can do something with their lives, at least sponsored by the government - the more professionally educated people there are the less you have to import from somewhere else, who might be working for a foreign government'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's almost like national security isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and money, if you put all them idle people to work, cause you built employment opportunities for them, and produced things you used to import - then they'd be able to afford stuff and you wouldn't have to be destroyed by foreign economic crises'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I believe in affordable education, but you have to balance that against people that will sign up and not put forth any effort, wasting educational resources'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could define money for your own nation, instead money is used as an excuse why sacrifices must be made'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people go into debt for 750,000 dollars to afford a condominium in vancouver, where there's employment opportunity - china's about the size of alberta and saskatchewan combined, which are maybe a quarter or less of canada's surface area'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's 1.5 billion people on that area in china, but with all of this abundance, lots of canadians just can't afford to have their own space'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it just seems rediculous to me'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, people who aren't serious about their education aren't impossible to spot'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as they want to try and figure something out though, then i don't see why they're prevented from it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there might be some neuroscientists and other people like that, who used to be in high demand'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe they lobby against education'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and a 'nation' of people should be in the know on what the government's considering pertaining to their well-being, and the government should be held accountable to the people it rules over, which is easier when they understand what it's doing - i think it's sort of like national security, like educating your own professionals from your own land instead of importing them from a foreign land'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, the world doesn't share my thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of those professionals who lobby against education are just laughing at all the foolish lands they eat for free in, being indespensable assets, as their closed source degree's show'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's probably not all easy though, just sometimes they make it look like it is'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chinese gynaecologists for instance, they fly over to america and canada and molest women, doesn't it seem unlikely that you can apply for a work visa to study vagina's in a foreign nation?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of a couple cases of chinese gynaecologists is all, i'm not saying it's local to china'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what was wrong with education system that they couldn't have had plenty of training available for somebody born in canada?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe even a female'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or brain chemistry - they import doctors from arabic nations and anywhere else but providing their own, to test their chemicals on citizens here'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'try and get a degree in brain chemistry, i haven't seen many who were born in canada'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's inspecting the drugs then?  '
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canada fails to adapt its social assistance benefits and minimum wage to the rising costs of basic necessities, including food and housing, he added. Food banks are not a solution but a symptom of failing social safety nets. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/16/pol-un-canada-food-security.html The Conservative government struck early, with Immigration Minister Jason Kenney suggesting De Schutter is wasting his organization's money by visiting a developed country.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least real issues are sometimes looked at, i appreciate news that makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looking at the article you almost get the impression that the government is an issue'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't expect anything good to come of it though, lots of people have pointed out corruption in the government, or what they see as corruption - and nothing's ever done about it, not even an answer on why it's not corrupt - it's almost like the government is the will of almighty god and the human trash is being taken out'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"The right to food is about politics. Itbs not about technicalities. Itbs a matter of principle and itbs a matter of political will. I think these comments are symptomatic of the very problem that it is my duty to address," he said.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'At the same time, consumers are trying to re-educate themselves about where their food comes from, because much of it isn't grown locally, he said. Many farmers have to work off-farm to earn a living or export all their product to other countries to survive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just ate 3 strawberries that were the size of baseballs, but it's not growth hormones on animals at least'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and farmers make almost nothing for providing food for people to eat, which they just can't afford to purchase'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bought up by foreigners and people who don't care who lives and dies, as long as it's not them'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not caring is one thing, but enforcing is another - whoever's behind that is my idea of a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin's russia and farmers were just about the same thing, i wonder which book they go on, probably not mein kampf'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was a bit more direct in his extermination though'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak it's just something i remember, it's possibly applicable to government's surviving world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'All kulaks were divided into three categories: (I) to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police - (II) to be sent to Siberia, North, the Urals or Kazahstan, after confiscation of their property - and (III) to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.  OGPU secret police chief, Efim Georgievich Evdokimov, (1891-1939) organized and supervised the roundup of peasants and the mass executions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's all real like they're saying, then that's actions taken by a surviving government from world war 2 that affects international policy today'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conspiracy theories about negative government enemy plots aren't always unfounded'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Clarify negative government. This sounds like a good thing.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bad for society as a whole?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genocide can't be really beneficial for most people, can it?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they turned away from those kind of genocidal policy's though, that's a possibility but it takes faith to believe it'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You raise an interesting proposition. Science would probably support the mass extinction of humanity as a positive ecological outcome.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one reason that the government's secrecy over why it does what it does, and stuff like that, is bothersome'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, science could - i think that alot of people in the world today do negative things un-naturally though, through social conditioning and enforcement from above'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that wasn't the case and people were just pure evil by default, then i wouldn't see much of a problem with just watching it all go down, like a scientist - but since it's not, it almost appears criminal'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of decisions that the government (or maybe corporation) makes for people, and they're not always in people's best interest'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Perhaps you should examinr the precepts of natural thinking'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of people see the government as a undesireable oppressive tyrant that is a hypocrite'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't understand why the government doesn't set their minds at ease to some degree, teaching them to reach their understanding on issues, showing that they aren't working in the darkness'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They are simply conditioned to think that to conceal the more hideous truth.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least, that's my impression from reading through the news and watching the media, reading some of what people have on their minds'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think the more hideous truth is?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Tht is your problem, you are impressionable. Remain steadfast, ignore external input, follow the prime directive.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'live long and prosper? :>'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'There can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But there has been. Stay out of it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america possibly has a history of evil government atrocity's against it's own citizens too, i'm not sure if any of the world's governments didn't conduct at least one genocide-like crime - it's a pretty universal phenomenon from what i looked through'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows though, it's possible that there's a decent one out there - there's a little island country off the coast of australia for instance'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard about'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then governments might change their minds sometimes, instead of being stuck within the same ideologies as the 1920's'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'America has not actually wiped out any other nation.  We still have indians among us, which is the closest we've come to genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh agrees!
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'America's top military officer has condemned a course taught about Islam at one of America's top military schools as "totally objectionable". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18030105 it's pretty terrible to think that the government isn't aware of where taxes are spent in paying for these schools'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how hard is the IRS on people?  they're not on top of things'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just seen it on the news the other day and tried to make sense out of it - and being an ally of saudi arabia i couldn't'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's what they call eachother anyways, ally, that's a nation with lots of islamic people in it - and there's lots of islamic people in the world - i'm not convinced one way or the other whether or not their belief system turns them into bad people, but i think there's more to people than just that - but apparently ("according to the article") they don't care to make many distinctions in people who serve the government'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Simply because you have not been briefed on the activity of Gog and Magog. You cannot expect to make sense of it.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think this fits into the book of revelation?  there are some verses that can support that'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That was a very veiled look at the situation from long ago. Tactical reports are current and up to date. But yo will never see them.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that the Bible is just a political allegory decrying the woes of the current society, yes?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Agreed'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And establishing a control structure over the unlearned masses.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't sound much different than 'hitler youth' programs remembered on history tv - although i didn't study that in depth, just the idea of a school that teaches you who to hate based on a trait, like being in islam or jewish or from the middle east, or cause they don't have much money and they drain your bank account for their greedy poverty'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was always the case, and definitely something that predates anything even remotely connected to Christianity.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Agreed, consider my clan, e.g.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the druids used that tactic, and it predates anything remotely related to them, too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe that just because somebody's human they'll do and act just like every other human, or whatever thing about humans there is in the world - just cause you're born in hell doesn't mean you're going to be a demon'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'No. But accept that you are controlled by the information made available to your intellect. Pawn.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'here is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the outer limits, they have some cool sayings in that show sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It was a meager attempt to break through and communicate, It was widely rejected.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'An experiment permitted only because it was assumed it would fail, and it did,'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Consensus was that no violation of the Prime Directive had been committed.'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is no Prime Directive.  Life in the universe is all "beat ass or STFU".'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Not the Prime Directive then, but rather the Prime DiRECTUM?'
T3/r6/2012-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'US Indian Removal Act of 1830 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything interesting ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'serious for a sec - anyone follow metal prices ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'non ferrous '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suggest a prog that will ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'doesn't everyone have a guy that does that for them'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oh wait, you're after "that guy"'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ave Sneak no after a program - BOB does a good job I thought I'd extend the reach of the battery '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'looking for a feed for metal prices '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oh, cant help there'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guy that does the dump run here also trades metals - thought I'd give  him a hand '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak gets a blank look on his face.
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'paper trading on minerals you don't actually "own" ....'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are familiar with the concept of selling metals at a variable price ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'poor bastard just gets it n sells it - at what ever the market price is - he should stockpile it and sell high '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wanna help him '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do I do that - some stockmarket progs notify on a certain level price being reached '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone have experience with that ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeh but the probably doesn't have high enough amount to really properly dictate priceanyway'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'when you're trading low amounts, you get pinched on sale price'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I went through the volume issues with him - he is actually viable - he just needs to know when to sell - there should be an app for it  ? '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is getting screwed atm '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when he sells he does so on a price dictated by market value and then an additional fixed cost for processing '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he can stockpile and sell on market highs - he just needs an easy way to know when to sell '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he is a semi comp literate dude - caught uo with him this morn n thought I'd help him out '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sneak who he sells to indexes from the market - he just needs to know when to sell - what is the easiest way he can do this ? he is gonna need a prog to tell him when the price spikes '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Earth's climate and atmosphere have varied greatly over geologic time. Our planet has mostly been much hotter and more humid than we know it to be today, and with far more carbon dioxide (the greenhouse gas) in the atmosphere than exists today. The notable exception is 300,000,000 years ago during the late Carboniferous Period, which resembles our own climate and atmosphere like no other.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another interesting thing: for most of the existence of the solar system, we did not have a breathable atmosphere!'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"breathable" according to whom?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for most the existence of the solar system, we weren't even there!'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For some organisms, hydrogen sulfide is just fine.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, to mammals, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mammals didn't exist until late into the Jurassic'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Er, Mesozoic'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and humans weren't around till recently, as far as geologic times scales are concerned...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '200 million years ago the co2 concentrations in the atmosphere was 4.7 times higher than today.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'carbon sinks hold a lot of carbon...guess why the Carboniferous Period was named as it was? ;P'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would seem to me that mountain ranges, ocean currents, and wind currents would be just as important as co2 concentrations when determining the avg temp on the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are more important.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many factors influence temperatures. However, we do know CO2's absorbtion spectrum.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we do know that if we add CO2, we will have CO2 higher than it otherwise would have been, leading to temperatures higher than it otherwise would have been'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's basic physics, really'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The earth has processes that remove carbon dioxide, however, and as atmospheric CO2 increases, those processes work at a faster rate.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, it's not as simple as "More CO2 = higher temperatures."'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, that's why the stats are needed to try to figure out those processes'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but still, the concentration would be higher than it otherwise would have been'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A lot of the CO2 isn't even solveable via more efficient vehicles btw.  A lot of it is volcanic, and a lot is due to coal/peat fires.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change due to man's co2 emmisions is just a wheeze to control us and tax us'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they recently put co2 back on top as the worst-ever greenhouse gas, due to new findings that show more co2 has been locked away in oceans and peat beds than we thought?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have two processes, obeying dx/dt = some function, the one that starts higher will remain higher...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"worst greenhouse gas" is an ambiguous definition'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some continuous function in terms of x, that is'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Two special conditions of terrestrial landmass distribution, when they exist concurrently, appear as a sort of common denominator for the occurrence of very long-term simultaneous declines in both global temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), 1) The existence of a continuous continental landmass stretching from pole to pole, restricting free circulation of polar and tropical waters, and 2) The existence of a large (south) polar landmass capable of supporting thick glacial ice accumulations.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Worst in terms of quantity?  Worst in terms of produceability?  Worst in terms of how much heat it retains?  What?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methane is worse than co2.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, regardless, we know that adding co2 will add to temperature...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in terms of impact, I think.  Methane is more potent, but a sufficient amount of co2 can swing the balance towards the less potent part.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if co2 was a genuine problem, they'd be planting forests/encouraging the rain forests rather than standing idly buy letting some greasy brazilian twats chops it all down'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if methane wasnt worse, they wouldnt be flaring the natgas when they produce oil.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I'm going to dinner, "global warming" is a crock, I don't believe it, and I couldn't give less of a shit about my so-called "carbon footprint."  Enjoy.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's quite a stretch to hope that the feedback function changes so quickly as to produce a very stable equilibrium'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty hypocritical to say 'we chopped down all of our forests, to fund our industry, but now we realized that was bad so you can't fund your industry.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got the higest forest coverage since 1900'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which isnt saying much since the forest coverage is 40% lower than it was 8000 years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm with starling on this one, it's a crock, it's a far more immediate issue poisoning the world with chemicals and fartarsing around with genetics without considering ecological damage'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, our has been steadily increasing ... but we don't need the land the forests are on, really. '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, as with anything else, those removed from the immediate needs are more likely to decry others taking steps to obtain those needs.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, any country with leaders who aren't anti-intellectual and which has a physics department ought to know we're (going to be) pretty much screwed by now...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure we do.  I mean, where else are we going to grow our weed?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 60% of US wood comes from tree farms now.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i.e. rich white people in america are a lot more concerned about conservation of tigers than a senegalese guy armed only with a stick.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(next some of your trolls are going to be denying ecocide and species extinction and saying there are more species differentiation since 1900)'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt exactly call a tree farm a forest though.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poisoning the ground with chemicals is a local pollution problem, at least...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'species die out without our help'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xyliz, in many countries tree coverage IS higher since 1900, although a lot of it is in managed farms. '
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've lost 30% of our biodiversity since like 3pm two weeks ago.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like our own to survive, at least.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evolve or die.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or just be smart enough not to kill yourself'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if your a species that depends on ice to survive, then you need to adapt to a world with less ice, or die out.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'guy stabs self in stomach. "eh, if I deserve to live, I'll live"'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's religion, not evolution.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you need ice, go to the south pole'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ice cap there is growing'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, didn't the climate change lobby mention that?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, more lies and or arrogance by callous perverts'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must've slipped their mind'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how much ice, if any there will be around there in a century...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planet temperature is pretty stable'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, seeing as how thick it is, I suspect it will be there long after you die.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only on the one side, which means it's adding to Earth's wobble and will ultimately slide off Antarctica to produce the first-ever extinction-level tsunami.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recent documentary atated that antarctica is sloughing of huge ice masses'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, the antarctic has been losing ice pretty rapidly'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Weddell Sea area's thinning out'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the facts don't bare that out, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? On average, the antactic as a whole has been losing ice'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(antarctic)'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, while the arctic has been losing ice cover, the antarctic has been pretty stable.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they could've picked an easier to type name...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, pretty stable if you look at it in human time scales'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greenland has been losing ice cover as well, and that is the one that will affect us the most in the future.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, the Weddell area is thinning out so much they're worried it will stop scraping bottom, causing large pieces to break off.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/revealed-antarctic-ice-growing-not-shrinking/'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the story was let loose either earlier this week or late last week, actually.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty like it'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, things will change'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whatever certain people like to believe, it has been losing ice...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which doesn't bode well for sea levels'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever is happening, it isn't due to the car you drive'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so screwing everyone over with taxes and laws won't help'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the ice is so thick and heavy that the center of greenland has been pushed under sealevel, parts of antarctica is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'killing one civilian isn't a massacre either... unless the other millio troops with you are doing the same'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts,  there are websites supporting creationism - likely also supported by republican nutters'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in any case you can't really argue the laws of physics here...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats want to teach 1st-graders how to masturbate.  You can't really call the republicans nutty after stuff like that.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans, and oil companies, and their supporters, are blatant liars'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some that even believe the democrats and republicans are different'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats too.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas both want the downfall of liberty and freedom'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can thank gravity for all that ice breaking off the antarctica ice sheets, that ice moving into the ocean is thousands of years old, and probably much older.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are what they are, and the fact is that co2 absorbs more of the energy from emission spectra of black bodies in our normal room-temperature range than black bodies in the sun's temperature range.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the independants sell the snake oil when it suits their purposes.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a percentage'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republican supporters might be christians, but the power behind the throne certainly isn't'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the sort of thing you can go out and verify yourself with the appropriate equipment, you don't have to take anyone's word for it'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was saying co2 wasn't a greenhouse gas'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, you could triple the co2 in the atmosphere, and very little would change.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing is, we can estimate how much co2 will increase in the absence of feedback effects, and how much of an increase to temperature that will cause in the absence of feedback effects. What's up for debate is how strong the feedback effects are, and in which direction'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps canada will produce even more wheat than they do now, as would russia, and the US could grow more light golden wheat.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the "very little would change" would only occur if the equilibrium was somehow unbelievably stable, that is, that the feedback effects would somehow change drastically with just a small change.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wishful thinking, in other words'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already grow too much as it is.  We're paying food-preparation engineers to avoid preparing food.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and "we hope that the increase in production in some areas outweighs the decrease in other areas" thing is also... well, I wouldn't bet our future on that sort of hope.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially since there's a danger it could knock out key parts of our food cycle. Imagine if it took out the bees...'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe republicans believe in replacements -- perhaps an abundance of black flies may pollinate flowers while also feasting on humans (preferably republicans)'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Earth undergoes alternating periods of ice ages and warming whenever a continuous continental landmass extends from one polar region to the other while at the same time there exists a large polar continent capable of supporting thick ice accumulations. These conditions existed 300 million years ago during the Carboniferous Period as they do for the Earth today. However for most of geologic history the distribution of the continents across the globe did not satisfy this criteria. Continental drift continually rearranges the continents, moving at rates of only a few centimeters per year.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'Continental drift was the idea posed by Alfred Wegener in the mid 1890's.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'Continental drift is the idea that all the continents are very slowly moving over time.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are actually in an ice age climate today. However for the last 10,000 years or so we have enjoyed a warm but temporary interglacial vacation. We know from geological records like ocean sediments and ice cores from permanent glaciers that for at least the last 750,000 years interglacial periods happen at 100,000 year intervals, lasting about 15,000 to 20,000 years before returning to an icehouse climate. We are currently about 18,000 years into Earth's present interglacial cycle. These cycles have been occurring for at least the last 2-4 million years, although the Earth has been cooling gradually for the last 30 million years.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'Based on scientific evidence that the coast of Africa fits into the coast of South America and the fossilized plant Glossopteris found in different continents, this theory id proved correct.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kezora: 'How fast do you type, Rizgoth?'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on my mood, but usually 60 to 100 wpm.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ALT-TAB and CTRL-C/CTRL-P is very fast.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but yes, cut n paste does work wonders when I need to paste a big paragraph.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just think it is interesting that humans have become the dominent species on the planet during an interglacial period, and that we have advanced so far in that amount of time, mostly in the last 300 years or so.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were controlling our environment and destroying species long before the rennaissance kicked in.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It also annoys me that we allowed religious to hold us back for so long, ie the dark ages, science should be nurtured.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'religions that is.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in many ways, we haven't yet regained what we lost when the Roman Empire fell.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure would be nice to know what was in the library of alexandria.'
T3/r6/2012-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I agree... Had such thoughts before.'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can brob still hold a convo - just a mushroom atm - anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol anyone wanna case study ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '42'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wanna converse ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, at work'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what work ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'employment'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the great work not far behind ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, trying to get stuff together and some land bought before it all comes down'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are either gonna trade out n cash in b4 the big one or you believe that common law will protect you ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'details ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'become self sufficient as far as possible and fortify up, hope they leave me alone'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and help like-minded people'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we played Risk as a fam a long time ago - was always tinned meat n shotguns for russia'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you leave out healthcare .. ever seen a movie called Red Dawn ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but heard a lot of references to it'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare is an issue'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'train up now - there are surgical fixes for the basics that are backyard but many pittfalls - the pitfalls kill mosr field treated imo '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting asthma meds will be the trickiest'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Buteko method '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can stock pile, would prefer to learn how to manufacture'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sp? but find it - takes care of that '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ew high end manufacture too '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you will need to be armed armored mobile and organised - labs will tie you down '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again it is basic hyperventilation - coupled with sensitivity '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol in a "the world goes to 5hit" situation your biggest threat is the military anywy '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you will be pressed ganged into service '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'peahaps research tinpot african states ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were we talking the end of the world somewhere herr ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that aws inviting '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh - get more se outta the mirrios atm - sick of the sight of me tho '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone - soz insomniaaaaaa                - vit  B dose '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what did the Nazis' do right ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'always a showstopper ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece leaves the  EU all markets down atm\'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'id greece officially no longer using the euro?'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Airlines should be liable for diseases caught en route, since their air recirculating practices are profit driven. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i think their security practices and lack of safe distance between patrons forced to stand in line should be to blame'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'That is not an airline practice and the government is immune from such legal action'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not if its due to negligence or a willful neglect on the part of a officer of the government'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when Americans are on the plane, they usually are.  Gotta love the right to sue the pants off people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they can still sue the head of a particular airport, or branch '
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they just will have a uphill battle.'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Try it,. Thanks for playing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ynys nah, it costs so much to sue in federal courts'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they get super picky about dollar values too'
T3/r7/2012-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Precisely.'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wil Smith accosted by slobbering homodouchefag ukranian  -- Chernobyl looks good on those perverts'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hugh Laurie's band requires songs with a decent tunes, decent lyrics, decent arrangements -- was borderline mediocre on a talkshow yesterday morning.  some authors use ghostwriters -- Hugh Laure may require more singing lessons and or decent ghostsingers'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US Navy has 14 trident nuclear submarines capable of leveling 100 cities each.'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when it is taken to court and proven that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, what will happen?'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretty sure that's not a triable issue'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't be proven, records just weren't kept well back then'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not eligible for office, though'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade votes to euthanise republican moroos
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? of course records were kept back then'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't say records weren't kept'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely nwo could find an american born graduate to champion?'
T3/r7/2012-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'George W Bush looked like Alfred E Neuman ("What, me worry?!")'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so I dropped an l'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Pot is the best drug in the world.  It has the best effect, it's relatively inexpensive, it's nontoxic, and it's noncaloric.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Which is worst? Burning to death or drowning?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'badeep'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everybody poops, and if they don't they're an android and should be destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'with if they have a colostomy?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization was a class-based holocaust, with ethnicity's and other minority's possibly a side-effect, from what i understand (assuming this really happened)- should we be on the lookout for stuff like this in the future?  '
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stalin's Secret Police: I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdTcKqAeGM is a disturbing video too, i can't attest to it's legitimacy or purpose though - it's ugly'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'absolutely terrifying, i came across material's like that awhile ago and they always remained on my mind, the thought of the possibility and the wonder if anybody's watching for it, in large enough numbers to be significant'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru I am worn out - I just wan t a nice place to enjoy beautiful things I feel guilty coping out but I am sad enough atm - I'll not  do anything about it but I really need something soft for a while '
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look up some heavy metal song topics or names and then sometimes horrible video's like that pop up, and i click them because they did, what's seen isn't always very nice'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have a hug mate - i s the best I can do for now '
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll think about some more bueatiful poetry tomorrow for you n R '
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I have some funny stuff - Donne's Flea is funny :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oldschool pickup lines :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how goes the infowar, folks?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should the revenue of all industrialization in afghanistan (production), after paying wages of the workers, have been routed towards the 'financial assistance and development aid' in afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/19/pol-nato-summit-canada-protests.html according to this, canada's asked to 'and probably will' contribute 4 billion dollars per year to afghanistan, of tax-payer dollars'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the nwo are embezzling some more funds?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly canada is doing too well'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for 100 billion dollars you can have a staff of over 1 million soldiers and cover all of the costs of ammunition'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'petro-china bought the contracts to afghanistan oil, instead of wise nato deciding that the money from the oil (possibly 100 billion per year or more) should be used for their project there'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i read in january or so'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should just pull out and leave them alone'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if they are going to be there, they should have to prove why my idea was unfeasible and shouldn't have contributed to their stay there, the costs and wages of the soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and training etc'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because the tax-payer already paid for the 'war effort', and continued stay's there should be as unburdensome as possible'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it pay's for itself then what's the problem with that?  '
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no record of how much money per year in post-war industrialization is made per year'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's quite possibly not spent on the 'continued stability' of the place'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war in afghanistan is not justifiable by any possible measure'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so now countries have to spend 4 billion in taxes per year to protect chinese oil infrastructure in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is worth possibly over 100 billion per year'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have kept private industry out of afghanistan and handled the buying and selling (fueling their own warmachines too) of oil as a NATO self, relieving the burden from the countries involved in their project'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'petro-china is a crown corporation though, if that's private industry'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i wasn't fully behind the war since 2001, justifiable or not - they don't seem to be doing things efficiently'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they don't even expect nobody to question why'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people are fucking dumb'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or to provide the information that shows that things like industrial revenue can't significantly reduce the burden on contributing tax-payers'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as george carlin used tosay'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cbc news on the link there didn't post my question on the comments section'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe that means it was a good one'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people continue to go along with it, just like they were happy for the west to support al-quaida in Libya and Syria'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was one thing Gaddafi actually wasn't lying about'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think because the news says something it's unquestionably true, but i do mention the news and opinions on what it says'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people assume what the media and their government says is true'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't know what is the truth about things there, only what they say it is'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when more often than not it's proganda at best, lies at worst'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the news was used to tell people about russian invasion in guatemala in the 1950's too'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the engineering of consent and things like that, dumb people who can't be trusted to not be lied to'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if america was a saint over in afghanistan and their purpose in the world war, would their soldiers have an 80% increase in suicide rates since 2010?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do people who believe they're doing good just kill themselves cause they were doing so much good?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, instead they're shellshocked at all teh shit they're having to do in the name of america, and pumped full of antidepressants'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being shoved into doing 8 tours of duty'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'etc'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's a price worth paying to keep you safe from terrorism!'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'war is hell, even soldiers who believe in the cause of their fighting get screwed up by what they see'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because terrorism is such a threat'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if they were keeping people safe from terrorism and they knew it then they wouldn't be so suicidal'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I'm no psychologist, but I'm willing to bet the mental damages caused by way have a lot more to do with fighting in a war than the political reasons behind the war.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know anyone who can sleep at night because of the toll terrorism is taking on us, all these bombs here'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think wrong, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so did russia during dekulakization'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we only had 1 alquaida-esque bomb in this country, and that was headed by an mi6 asset'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm not convinced even that counts'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk to people who have been in wars, it bothers you whether you think it's right/necessary or not'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization is that the righteous fight that lives on today?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the suicides of soldiers doesn't stem from the disposition of their mission, it comes from being forced into situations where they are acutely aware that their gruesome death is potentially moments away.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody wants to be the guy getting shot at, particularly if the getting shot at part cannot be reasonably avoided or reciprocated.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the stories i hear out of afghanistan is that the troops really don't want to be there'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that happens with every war ever fought.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the political reasons behind a war are what the war is all about, if soldiers believe in it then they're stronger in their performance'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they're just more reckless.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd get the same effect if you gave them needles and told them the syringes were full of win juice.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand fear of death and having to kill too, but why would they join the army if they weren't resolved in those things in the first place?  i can understand suicide if a gruesome death is inevitably impending, but not so many (or much) if you believe in your purpose and have a chance at survival'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you join up, you are putting yourself forward to defend your country'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defend your family, country, and way of life'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please explain to them how attacking afghanistan defends any of that when the biggest threat is their own government?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'believing in your purpose doesn't change what you see, do, or live'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghanistan is -not- what they signed up for'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes for a great passionate abstract.  It's not so great a concept when you're out there getting shot at.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, it's true that not everybody who fights in a war -wants- to be there, but (possibly like germany) people were made to fight and knew what would happen if they lost, which occurred over the last 65-75 years'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i think they probably fought with more of a firm resolve because of the price of failure'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was real and understandable'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there is lose and die concept in afghanistan except for the natives'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue that the afghans are just doing what anyone would do in their situation'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know how things actually were there, just what i read about, but i think some war's give people more spirit than other's, like going to war just to pillage and split the loot that your king leaves for you to have'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'if america invaded my country and do everything i could to kill them too'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'atilla the hunt possibly had to go to war and had his people's support, against roman empire - because they were oppressing and enslaving his people - so they weren't on a mission solely for plundering and getting the private interest of their king farther'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, americans may have to face up to that soon'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, Afghanistan has a potential for a $2 trillion mineral wealth industry in the next 40 years if they decide to exploit it.  Afghanistan is loaded with diamonds, gold, silver, uranium, copper, nickel and a few other metals.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had a similar interest in not wanting to be oppressed slaves driven by a roman tyrant'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't drink his bottled judgement....'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Getting rid of the taliban and putting in a pro mining govt is good for business.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not what government is for'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome to the new world order.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, i can see the situation of some of those mid-eastern people joining together to fight against the occupying enemy forces, which possibly killed alot of their family members or are rumoured to be serial-killing rapists and to not trust them at all'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen on the news some cases where things like that are figured to play into the recruitment into 'terrorist organization''
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like in yemen an article mentioned a missile fired from a american warship which killed 47 women, children and 2 young men'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a poor neighbourhood'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's loads of that'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you needed the news to tell you that they use that for recruitment?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you had that torture prison in Iraq, the media only scratched the surface'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govts start wars, spend billions, then subcontract the war out to private armies, then business takes over to mine and extract oil/gas or grow poppies to make heroin.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i doubt they were all evil terrorists, probably just ordinary people who were murdered - and what does that say to everybody else?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the kinds of people you put in charge of your country'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it says we missed'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think terrorism and religious extremism of islam should be handled by their own governments over there, like if a christian violates the rights of a muslim in america or canada, the christian will be punished - even if the leader of the country is a christian'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the "terrorists" are only a small fraction of the people america kills'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no tolerance or lenience for crimes based on religion, no discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they don't take their own steps to do that themselves, then why go in there and do it for them?  they rely on trading and investment in you and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's discrimination, it's just officially illegal'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We wouldnt have to kill the evil doers if they would just bow down to big business and get thier asses in the mines to find some diamonds for the west.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's unfortunately probably the extent of the type of thing the war is about'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and having another race of human cattle to god over'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'Last year I went to Iraq. Before America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they've got depleted uranium and dead families'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and while they're trying to change places 4000 miles+ away from themselves, their own countries are being lowered to the level of the places they saved'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll thank you for it'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''at least it's not as bad as being in starving africa', look at how good you have it, it's not as corrupt as somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll just remove these two human rights and then you'll still not be as bad as them, but will be a little worse'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they use situations in foreign nations that they run charities for and donate money to, to justify lowering themselves to the level of those places'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because there's evil and sloppy administration in africa, we have to lower your standard of living to send them money'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their leaders are filthy rich pigs and don't provide for the citizens that you're donating to, no infrastructure or development from within'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that sounds like the states these days'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexico has a fat problem now, to such a degree that they're thinking about illegalizing fat itself.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and that's what the people who run america and canada and probably most other places want to happen in those places'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also has a runaway drug cartel and mass killings problem'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lowering to their level is how i see it, i haven't seen much proof to the contrary'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadian government and the media didn't ask or answer how they know that the doubled donations to somalia would be verifiably uncorrupt'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody could get a bank transfer to a canadian citizen and canadian citizen can donate to somalia, and tax payer doubles the donation'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'an an immigration problem as well.  Less mexicans are leaving.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah... it's all the plan of the new world order... hard to depopulate if you don't control everything'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a little bit cruel and condemning to think that whatever aid people thinkt hey actually got was photo-shoots which were very cheap and small percentage of the money'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even champion their charity to somalia on a canadian website'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't say how much exactly or anything, it's just a bunch of money doubled by the tax payer sent to a stranger to provide care for poor somalians'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's very limited means to verify that it was used as intended'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'new world order world genocide ritual conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they announced 7 billion world population on halloween'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the day of the dead having some subtle hints on future problems?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're confusing multiple different theories'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Let them eat bananas.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do people actually have faith that once most water sources are toxic, water filters and cleaning will be affordable for everybody, 'developed' or not?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'water filters are already inexpensive'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'without water alot of people can't survive very long, but it's not seen as a priority to protect clean and available water sources in every nation around'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that price can easily be raised though'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toxic how?  With an alien microbe that turns water into diamonds or something ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, gold mining is one thing, then runoff from agriculture and industry'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water filtering will only get cheaper, as will desalination.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're now drilling oil in the arctic area's, reporting 'methane coming from the ice''
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and turning ocean water to fresh water is easy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many oil spills will never be reported there, or other destructions?  they quit reporting on the mississipi dead-fish problem in september last year'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's all faith you got rizgoth'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'll probably only get cheaper as long as it's becoming more neccessary, once it's absolutely neccessary then they'll be more selective over who can have clean water'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'filtering water won't be much of a worry if there's no food to eat'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I took chemistry in jr high.....not that hard to separate things out of mixtures.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll become a price limit as to how cheap water filtration becomes because of the resources needed'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'foreign handling of canadian agriculture and industry provides reasons why canadians can't have their own houses (afford) jobs (outsource) and food (export)'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I havw a machine that removes water from the humid air in the house....ie a dehumidifer.....ie clean water.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this place is 4+ times as large as china and has 32 million people to china's 1.5 billion'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no non-occupied government reason why canadians can't afford to live'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah canada has been america's bitch for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water from the air is good idea, especially in the armpit areas of the world.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel developed a self-sufficient humidity extraction machine for the desert which gets clean water'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who isn't?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like a good invention'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't sack a capital city and expect there not be consequences...'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605091856.htm'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who sacked a capital city?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Canadians did.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh i see, so in your lifetime the war of 1812 happened and you're a righteous avenger of resistance to tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smart people oppressing a nation of mostly immigrants after the fact, based on what the people before the immigrants arrived did over 200 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got no justification for their tyranny except in their fantasy books'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows what we are capable of doing until evil doers force us to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weaponized anthrax is evil.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda sucks that we only built one Enterprise class aircraft carrier.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Next year, the USS Enterprise carrier will be 51 years old, and is supposedly going to be decommissioned.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why does it suck that we only built one?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'why do you think that'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they obviously have too much money to spend, and too little debt'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and nothing better to spend it on!'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they only built one of the 6 planned Enterprise super carriers because the design ended up costing to much....so the Nimitz class replaced it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'what are we talking about'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nimitz class, USS Ronald Reagan cost $12 billion to build.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is nimitz smaller or less capable than enterprise?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is larger.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with better weapons and defense systems.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the even newer Ford class, is an even more advaned version of the Nimitz class supercarrier.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Perhaps the 3rd Ford class supercarrier could have the USS Enterprise name......'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'the new class is being designed with energy based weapons in mind'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The first Ford class supercarrier has a cost of $14 billion....$5 billion for the research, and $9 billion for the actual build cost.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it requires 20% less crew than the previous Nimitz class because of improved automation in some systems.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds like a hacker's dream'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mm, more power...the new supercarrier has 2 nuclear reactors rated at 600 MW of power....50 MW more than the nimitz.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Getting ready to outfit the supercarriers with laser weapons. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US navy has 14 ballistic nuclear submarines capable of destroying 100 cities each.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Feb 2008, 2 US guided missile cruisers launched a missile towards a stricken satellite that was falling into the atmosphere in the north pacific....the missiles hit the satellite directly, and destroyed it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We really do not need to build those new Zumwalt class destroyers starting in 2020.....the price is estimated to be around $7 billion each...and they would be equipped with railguns, and be enhanced laser cannon readyness.....$7 billion per ship is just to expensive when compared to the current destroyer that costs about $1.6 billion each and can be retrofitted with railguns when they become available.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, how many cities are there?'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After congress threatened to cancel the new destroyer program, and the DoD said they were not needed, the shipyard that was going to build the new destroyers said they could do them for $3.5 billion each or less.  A reduction of at least 50%.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the DoD went ahead with 3 of the new destroyers.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The new destroyer is 40% bigger than the current arleigh burke destroyer, but has the radar signature of a 30 foot fishing boat, and the sound signature of an nuclear attack submarine.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we are going to sell a couple of the arleighe burke destroyers to saudi arabia.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sounds about right'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'then you can use that as an excuse to attack them'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US has sold 8 perry class frigates to China in the last 15 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bloody'
T3/r7/2012-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, facebook is dropping like a rock!  at $33 a share now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back up to 34 now'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the way it's trading makes it look like there're large entities supporting the stock at round numbers...'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how much facebook stock morgan stanley bought.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they could end up with a loss greater than their fees'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'shoulda saw me as a child.. I was even more frustrated back then.. I thought "Drugs?! No way" but then our government made them tastey treats no one could resist smokin;)'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how wonderful, the repubs passed a $643 billion defense budget, that also includes $88 billion for the war in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully the senate will vote no.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, are you against war, disease, and starvation?! How unpatriotic!'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, not really, I would rather we spend the money on space travel :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DoD gets $643 billion a year, while NASA gets only $18 billion a year....something is wrong with that picture.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if another large country gets its priorities in order and starts a serious push into space, the rest will have to follow'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we moved $100 billion from the DoD budget to the NASA budget we could have a moon base in 2 years, and a mars base in 5 years, plus robotic missions to all the planets in the solar system, the new space telescope, and the new orion space capsule up and running, and who knows what else.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're just waiting for china to catch up. They'll only move after the tech advantage disappears'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're ahead, you've got to shoot yourself in the foot!'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's kind of a human tradition!'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about we just shoot the republicans in the foot instead ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll label you an unpatriotic extremist and throw you down a hole'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tht is fine, I will take a couple of them with me.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just a matter of attrition...there are more libertarians and liberals than there are conservative republicans...and most of the neocons are dying off.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they seem to be moving to the extremes with few consequences...'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the public doesn't mind the political discourse shifting rightward, there's little that can be done...'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 7300 pounds of marijuana pulled from the ocean....it was just floating around.....talk about bale wars!'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'What if you posses a deeper subsconcious than the subsconcious you already know and learned of but never studied. Ofcourse, if you have a much deeper subsconcious (secondary) then there must be another conscious... I mean, the other does require another to be, although the subsconcious posses much more worth than the conscious state. I'm thinking of passed life experience. A higher realm of oneself.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'reminds me of Dr. horrible'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you mean Dr. Demento?'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'here we go: And sometimes there's a third, even deeper level, and that one is the same as the top surface one. Like with pie. '
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it were the same, it would be a continuation of the original and there'd only be two.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like with the Bifrost.'
T3/r7/2012-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I guess so. I see your point. For example: You're an older being, coming from the dark ages, you died in some cause and were reborn in medieval times, also, died... You been reborn in some modern age ... All those experiences, perhaps those conscious and subsconcious being also exist in this current life ... It would explain everything else, even your "destiny".'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you all think of microsoft buying a potash company?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a fertilizer company*'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'google drives cars and augments reality'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'microsoft provides the software interface for the microchips in ford automobiles'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are they going to purchase Case and John Deer next, then use their private satellites to maneuver the grain industry?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these companies just can't stay on track to what they were originally about'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they remind me of this Sheriff company in transnistria on a aljazeera video, gas station, mercedes dealer, supermarket.. just about everything'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it must be a standard business model for them, like egypts army gets tax-funding and then runs bottled water and all kinds of stuff there'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the news'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like little governments'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if your crime's are international though, then they say that's a professional kind of crime, so i guess they're like new world order systems instead'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess most successful businesses might all be government projects competing with eachother at the start, then sometimes gravitating away from their point of origin and becoming a being in itself'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293 like this stuff here, China fake parts 'used in US military equipment' seems to be an admonishment of obama's wisdom for re-election, but wasn't publicized until recently for that purpose, while revealing that infiltration is not only possible but numerous - are all ends sealed?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course people already wonder about how wise it is to import parts for your weapons and stuff from foreign nations, or process your food in them without inspection cause it's just too much money to inspect'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if china imports any parts, they're probably duly inspected at point of origin and before installation'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they import helicopter engines from canada sometimes, i'm guessing they know the manufacturer too well though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? anything ? '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/19/pol-nato-summit-canada-protests.html Baird not prepared to extend Afghan mission 'at this time''
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want more money they say from the tax-payer, this was my question'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I wonder how much it would cost to hire the Nato-enlisted worker's to build the oil infrastructure and other industries in afghanistan, paying their wages (they're not all working for a billion dollars an hour) and both using the fuel for their machines that they require over there, and the proceeds from sale to reduce the amount of tax-dollars required from nation's who made the new industries in afghanistan possible.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I read that petro-china the not-so-private crown corporation bought up alot of oil contracts down there since the end of the war (news in the last couple years, possibly january). '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Instead of the industry funding the people who are there to 'stabilize' the nation, at least contributing to the cost significantly and verifiably, are tax-payers from nato nation's dishing out the tax-money to protect chinese petroleum investments? How come they wouldn't explain why it couldn't be done, until such a time when foreign NATO programs are neccessary there, that the industries don't contribute to the cost? 100 billion dollars in oil revenue or similar would pay alot of soldier's wages and other expenses, 1 million+'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an aljazeera video once where a informant to a reporter or a reporter (or a disinformationalist) claimed that american funding to syria was going directly into the terrorist's bank account'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's a interesting problem, i guess that's not definitely the cast though (I mean Yemen, not syria)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't vouche for any reporter's integrity, but that's what i heard on a aljazeera video (that american funding to yemen was used that way)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and stuff like that, the 110 million per year of welfare money sounds like somebody's retirement fund'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's common theme in porno movies to stretch the asshole and then make her lick the shit off your dick, so it would make sense that global warmasters do the same with cunt-trees'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'People & Power  :  America's Dangerous Game  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ it was this video from memory'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'How To Brainwash A Nation  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk I don't know what to make of this video, but man, it sure makes you think'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's unlike alot of the conspiracy theories i seen before cause it might have been filmed in 1984 and it sort of makes sense'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only about 15% of time/money and manpower is spent on espionage and such is a quote, active measures'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'demoralization 15-20 years, destabilization 10 months, crisis .. , normalization'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a cool video cause it gives a reason why the world sucks so much'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when the job is completed they are not needed anymore.. they think they will come to power, that will never happen of course.. they will be lined up along a wall and shot , that's just ballistic, nightmarish kind of video'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big brother government's there already'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's cool to consider though, maybe bail out when the spider sense tingles'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just some video quotes that caught my attention'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'debate away, i like to talk about this stuff and learn what people think about it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's already public knowledge on documentaries and reading material aplenty'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if it's all lies - the cbc article was reported from the media, (also the oil contracts)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nato's bankers don't seem to calculate the situation very accurately, otherwise wouldn't they have seen alot of money can be made from installing oil themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '4 billion per year.. woo that's alot of money'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but probably not as much as the industries will produce'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the free fuel for their machines'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guessed 100 billion, but that might be short'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's 2 million soldiers yearly wages'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what more do they need for their program?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of hustlers'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is all opinion based on what i think of what i seen'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Further, the human environments are being undermined & degraded in deference to an elitist State & Corporate initiated global population poisoning & reduction agenda. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The CFR is the North American extention of the Bilderberg group, a policy making body founded as an outgrowth of detente' between Nazi International & London Banking Interests. The current battle in all its covert & overt aspects is for global economic & political Corporate hegemony. There are many "squares" on the Grand Chessboard.  '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'quote from Eliezer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/19/pol-nato-summit-chicago.html'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization is an interesting kind of thing, class-based genocide and minority control of everything starting in 1929. Holodomor and the Great Purge as well were big problems. Also the holocaust was a very large problem. Alot of these crimes were done against the middle-class or some minority (and ethnic) group's, and because they were nationally administrated they weren't even seen as crime's there. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also swathes of beggars lost their lives (which is most people now)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The kind of thing's people seem to be ignorant of being possible - (assuming the media is correct) - and how seriously they don't proactively defend against the future possibility of repetition. It's a sad world, and definitely not all possibilities are explored before their extreme decisions.  This all happened within the last 90 years, I think it's about time people wake up to the possibilities of the future, and try to curb the results.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(from what I read and how i interpreted it)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdTcKqAeGM Stalin's Secret Police: I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ8ZvYNlxiM The Century of the Self -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engineering_of_Consent These are some things that I stumbled upon while skimming through the internet and things like that, some is very disturbing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying (what's right or wrong, I'm just neutral considering what I read) Dan Shapiro said the US hoped diplomacy and sanctions would persuade Iran to alter its nuclear programme, but a military option was "ready".  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Shapiro  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adas_Israel_Congregation_%28Washington,_D.C.%29'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, last one is a typo, i didn't fish out the proper link i wanted posted'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmons_%26_Company that's what i was lookin for'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Timmons & Company is an American lobbying firm based in Washington, D.C..'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_occupied_government i know they say it's a baseless nazi conspiracy theory, but the media factors seem to support it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/26/holocaust-fund-fraud-canadian.html but, there's also russian's claiming to be holocaust survivors and collecting holocaust survivor funding in new york and canada'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/04/26/alleged-war-criminal-que-beekeeper.html Quebec beekeeper accused of Nazi war crimes , (David Matas, the organization's senior legal counsel, said Katriuk's case could also be raised Thursday with Stephen Harper himself during a scheduled B'nai Brith meeting with the prime minister.)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this beekeepr is interesting, who knows what kind of information he actually has (allowing for the possibility that he's not an actual nazi war criminal)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Rudling, whose research was published in the spring 2012 issue of Holocaust Genocide Studies, attributed these details to KGB interrogations released for the first time in 2008.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this one soldier of the nazi's was here claimed to be chronicled by a kgb record-keeper, however they got it all worked out'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the aljazeera video documentary on the german Stasi in east germany (I think this was soviet or russian control), they burned over 5% of the total records in their archives before closing down the place'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm not so certain that what evidence they provide is even required to be authentic for them to lobby their way through harper'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they only set troubled mind at ease with threatening demeanours instead of answers, which they might not be able to fabricate'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if they have answers then what's the problem with that?  then there's not as much troubled minds'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also there's the law of canada saying about not able to use evidence extracted during torture'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sources'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just a guess, because america has one admitted to court'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's fascinating it you see what i mean, most people seem to be oblivious to it though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if*'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'national security isn't always in national interest'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '? maybe that's one thing'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that your government's actions are your action's is a troubling thing to think, the government only works for itself and who owns it though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more and more every day at least, if it's not absolute yet'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the people your government claims to be it's enemy's are all aware of how much control you have over it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if they try to justify whatever using them as their basis, then they're (not being clueless) just lying'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and cause you're gullible you just go along with it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and if you're gullible, you unjustly go along with the lies'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't criticizing solving problems without the use of nuclear weapons and warfare, if you happened to take things out of context like that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, you guys heads all hollow, anybody lookin through the information, or you already know it but also know how retarded i am'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would provide for a informative discussion in a group of real people'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although most of those don't want to think about it cause they can't do nothing about ti'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you talk alot and cannot say what you mean, then you likely do not mean what you say either'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, if you paid attention you'd see evidence supporting zionist occupied government puppets, or kgb agents pretending to be jews but working for the kgb and their subversion techniques'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless your mind rolled the subject matter around in a unique way that was different'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're too much of a moron to expect that of though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all provided by modern news and research'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actually ample evidence of something just like one of those two scenario's'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and placed together so comprehensively that the only thing left is a question'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on whether you believe what you see or not'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, i shared it with the dear aardwolf group of private interests to see what they thought of the material, as maybe i was taking it wrongly'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm surprised that of all of the internet users i talked to, almost none of them can comprehend what i see'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else they shut off their discourse or thoughts, sometimes talking about something stupid like you'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have political moves that can fit into a stage of future holocausts too, like are private military's a international security threat?  they work for who the private interest's purposes best align with'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a bunch of strangers have less trouble executing a bunch of your citizens than you might, but the contracts have been signed by stephen harper and the us president in 2005 to allow cross-border military co-operation in the event of civil unrest'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stupid and that's all such a thing of the past, no question about the non-genocide future ahead of us'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Also thing's like water and food security, this should be a no-brainer in canada, but people are more and more oppressed as time goes on. In a land 4x+ the size of china with 32 million people instead of 1.5 billion which are in china - foreign handling of canadian agriculture and industry provides reasons why canadians can't have their own houses (afford) jobs (outsource) and food (export) -- all of this can easily spiral into the utmost of negativity.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada and america didn't see their future status of world vision commercials because they were just so much smarter than me'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'else { prove why not }'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In a political move that received little if any attention by the American news media, the United States and Canada entered into a military agreement on February 14, 2008, allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis, according to a police commander involved in homeland security planning and implementation.  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8551'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'police and national military weren't enough, private interest military contracts with the government and laws changing who's a political enemy '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is all the next holocaust in the making'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no other reason for it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indefinite detention for the kgb's obama enemies'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57437199-503544/house-passes-defense-bill-approves-indefinite-detention-of-terror-suspects/ (AP) WASHINGTON -- The House on Friday endorsed the indefinite detention without trial of terrorist suspects, even for U.S. citizens seized on American soil.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'duh huh?  lets run!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you make of it?  bunch of hogwash from a cartoon column in the horror pages?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sounds like what my country has had for 50 years now'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wil laughs out loud at Redryn.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you from czechloslovakia?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was a bill passed by canadian government in last 8 years that allows american 'who's the obama kgb enemy' cia double agents and their fbi / dea police and other institutions, like a senator or a lobbiest in washington to detain canadians from canadian soil and bring them to america without due process of law too'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that there's another fucked up kind of national security thing, unless i don't remember the article correctly, but that's what it outlined from memory'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they plan it all out like not first degree stalin hitler'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'progenitors of the future'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what it's looking like to me anyways, germany and russia were two countries led by two serial killers, and that how to brainwash a nation video outline's things interestingly'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big brother was supposedly one of their plans for the future'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(in the past) i don't know anybody who cared to write down what life as a citizen was back then, usually they're the best source of information to see what kind of politics and systems were happening in the countries of the past'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what kind of things i see coming, and i think it's a fact'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just waiting to see if i'm right or not, and it looks more and more authentic every day'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't claim obama works for the kgb or anything, it was for the scenario context of the entire discussion i was having with nobody, but he might'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and harper?  maybe him too, or maybe neither directly works for them'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they both have jewish lobbiests though who make things happen'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and some jews might be russians'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope that hitler and stalin's modern day equivalents don't show up in the world, but.. can you figure out where all of these here new violation's of civil rights stem from?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or privately contracted military, possibly who get lobbied into the government's borders?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how many security holes that put in their nations, and people think that it's in their best interest'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe leaders of these countries would make even judas iscariot roll over his grave'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't see much concern in the senate and legislature on the possibility that all terrorist conflict in foreign nation's are being used for the purpose of destabilizing your own, which can be seen through the holes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'harper and obama set things up now so that they can remain leader of their disrespected countries indefinitely, and that's what they're going to do, i think - very soon will be something similar to a holocaust within america and canada'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or whoever lobbied them into place did that, and that's a good question'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'must be a god of the humans to have that much power, one scrawny human or a million versus 7 billion or .. maybe just 2 billion or 1'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so much smarter than all the cattle they are'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another thing is protesting, now it's possible that the leaders of those protests work for the government and the gathered provide an illusion of resistance and desire of will, and whatever lenience the listening government has provides the thought that protesting might actually work - but they don't realize that they mean absolutely nothing, collectively or otherwise, and by gathering together in 'peaceful assemblage' they provide an easy target to a mass-execution, which is what the government is more likely to do than to go against any of it's prime objectives'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's cattle-programming, engineering the resistant to tyranny to serve it like sheep'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how i see it anyways'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want change then they have to take their damnation out by force'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's a multi-tiered enemy most likely'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(out of game context)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government is damnation to people, that's exactly what it's purpose is and it'll never change that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if it's replaced based on the organization of the old one it'll degrade into the same state eventually'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they have to add consideration to the force if they want to get anywhere afterwards'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(and during, judgement)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why they signed a contract to allow military to cross borders, incase the sheep woke up'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and even if they stay asleep until the end they'll be killed most likely'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it won't be a total holocaust though, if it happens, maybe it'll just be a selection group of which you're not a part, and you can live on with your family in fear for the eternal future of unsure of being murderedness'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'under the god the government damnation and their lobbiest, if the government's even neccessary afterward'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it won't be'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all illusions get wiped out'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one of damnation's purposes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's an illusion that keeps peoples minds off of the whole problem'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Save the Donkeys!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'several genocide's happened in the last 90 years, several more are almost absolutely coming, that's what i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the corruption in the world's impossible to hide'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least the results of it's presence'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1990, 39% of silver was used for industrial uses, and mostly in western countries....Today, 59% of silver is used for industrial use, and most of the gains are not in the western countries.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cold war resolution agreement?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd really like to learn the minds of the actual world leaders, what they think about issues'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they don't let me know it's them, i know there's alot of beliefs in the world'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not neccessarily so i could change them, but just so that i could move on from worrying about the world's problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i got big questions with no answer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have to answer myself and that's not the actual answer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have to guess and refine, continuate'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i got problems of my own, but i found no solution to those, and while not having a solution problems that learned in life come to mind'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'NAPALM DEATH - Silence Is Deafening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQidsbSjL-w'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sure glad that we don't live in even darker time's though, although it is often dark to think of when paradise will be'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the perfect sandwich, 2 slices of 5 gram fiber 8 grain bread, cotto salami, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onions, brown mustard, and miracle whip.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'name the 8 grains'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you do it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I couldn't name 8 grains (that I'd put in bread).'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'sounds nice, but I'm a vegetarian'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more salami for me then. :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope the government and people aren't as corrupt as i 'what if' them to be though, most of my desired debate topics are situational - like consider this http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/05/22/mb-vince-li-schizophrenia-interview-manitoba.html , from this it seems as though eventually they're going to release this guy into the general public, well before a person would ordinarily be released if convicted fro the crime done, does the justice system have a system in place to guarantee that the staff of mental institutions are aware and expecting patients to have feigned their illnesses to get off of a much longer duration behind bar's - while not hindering the treatment and rehabilitation programs that actually would aid a person with that mental illness?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that would be a neccessary security measure, along with possibly not releasing them scott free in a very inadequate amount of time that the affected people would have expected'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 'to that that the victim's families would have expected*' that's more what i meant'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause that's alot of years in prison for a sane person to do -'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and consider people in prison for violent crimes who are addicts, sometimes maybe they 'forgot to take their medication' and find themselves doing crime to afford a dose, maybe sometimes that blinds their minds like schizophrenia'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if an arguement is that because he forgot to take his med's he gave into his urge to get more meds, or acted on his impulses in the process of getting his meds?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a lot of fine lines that they don't seem to consider very much to show the public that they consider them at all'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like a reverse addiction :o'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the story kind of un-nerved me a bit, reading through how they put things, what they consider, what they're considering so quickly and things like that - there's people who do alot less crime than that and they spend a long time behind bar's, because they're not crazy enough'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or insane'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mental health professionals aren't perfect though, and neither are people, even criminals sometimes make mistakes that weren't intentional as they are - i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think about the article and what i'm looking for them looking for in the subject matter?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the possibility of a bunch of phony professionals and a phony justice system, but that's one of those 'what if' scenario's'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or another is maybe, the meds hazardously separate some mental patients from parts of their minds that become more powerful without their constant conscious contest'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then the urge's might become more spontaneously overwhelming'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conflicts more accenuated.. and leading to possibly spontaneously overwhelming'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen sometimes the kind of things they teach as mental health, repeating phrases without the understanding sometimes, memorizing terms that aren't familiar, listening to restructuring of problems that aren't fully understood and stressing to combat the unknown with what is unknown'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'This Chemosh person-thingy is interesting... Hmm'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I miss when he came on as Druzil'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't all fit into a simple binary equation, human minds are very powerful tools and possibly not perfectly understood'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you guys look at the article?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was fully understood then there'd possibly be alot more mental health professionals in the world, or less need of them'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not them though, i'm only discussing them and what i think about the situation, given various things like what i provided after'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the psychiatric / psychological professionals in canada, the justice system and the general public (including drug addicts)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'discussing what i think about the situation, comparisons that make me think a certain way, etc'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i allowed for con-artistry there too, but didn't absolutely assert that that's how it is without question, just acknowledged the possibility'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the 'phony' part'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and hell, i even allow for the media to be reporting wrongly, or what i read to have been fraudulent, i only know what i know and i know what i remember reading (and think of what i read)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mental health's almost like a double blind study on itself, with neither side knowing which side know's best, but mental health insisting that the other doesn't insist'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think it's something that people should fear or be ashamed of though, accepting ignorance and adapting strategies is one of the abilities that people have - fear what it can lead to and what it can be like, but not to try to solve the problems with an open mind and good systems that adapt to suit the best interests of all inclusive parties within reason'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money's no burden to science is what they seem to show with alot of the experiments in the world, the projects'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's no joke anyways with news like that surfacing, so (to me) it's a debate topic if anybody wanted to discuss with me -here-, if I seen that responsible systems and well-considered approaches to problems were taken on a constant basis then I wouldn't have this to debate about'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope that people retain their right to peaceful assemblage and that the government wouldn't do some agent provacateur or whatever with them, causing the riot's that they don't get persecuted for because they're cops - i heard about this 'allegedly' happening in the past, (and this happened in the gospel story, something similar, when they were releasing jesus or barabbas, people were hired to start chanting and relying on people's group-mentality) - and other things like that that i considered earlier, but if what i learned of the past 90 years or so is any time frame for maturity that's where my alternative pessimistic considerations stem from'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i would sometimes like to debate or talk with people about why they know or see being done proactively to defend against the fear's that can be mad-made and enforced'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other thing's like that, i like reasonable freedom's and conversive solutions to problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And use the debate chat text to randomly tell people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Errr, mis.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to know why Microsoft is so afraid of succeeding now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only two large tech companies have done worse than microsoft since 2002....Intel and Yahoo.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even the x-box has not paid back its estimated $6 billion in R/D costs since it started.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: '6 billion?!?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i coulda made one for like 6 million, easy :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'good lord, how can you spend that much on developing what will only be current for a few years?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '6 billion isn't going to sink microsoft though.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can probably afford to throw 6 billion away several times over'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'no wonder they charge so much for there software'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, considering they are printing about $13 billion a year in profit.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'market cap of about 250b, pe ratio of about 10...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The problem with microsoft though, they are not sexy anymore....they need to redefine who they are so that their stock goes up....it has hovered around $25 for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the same amount of time, Apple has increased 20x.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, compare that to how facebook is doing...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what possessed them to believe it's worth over 100b, I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, FB should have opened at around $12 a share...not $38'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, Reuters "estimates a 10.8 percent annual growth rate -- almost exactly the mean for the technology sector -- which would value the stock at $9.59 a share, a 72 percent discount to its IPO price."'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they got their hands on the money already... so from their point of view it was a success, since they suckered the public into giving them much more than they're probably worth'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, lets see....the hoodie man has lost $3 billion in value in 2 days....good for him...:p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, $3 billion in his paper stock value.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he's still swimming in money...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless it's your life ambition to build a space program or something, the difference between 1 billion and 50 billion is pretty small, except ego-wise...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, most of his stock is restricted....and he wont sell much of it anyways because than his bankers will kick his ass out as CEO'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he owns most of the voting shares, which was really stupid for the banks to give him, 59% of voting shares.....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he could probably afford to unload a billion worth without affecting his control...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is really killing the price though, FB has two types of shares.....voting shares and non voting shares....most of the shares for sale are non voting shares....so even if you buy them....you have no say.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never buy a share of stock that didnt have a say at shareholder meetings.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wouldn't matter to small investors anyway'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many small investors vote, after all?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt matter....even if you own 5 shares, you can still go the shareholder meetings and step up the podium and say hi mom!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'without voting privies, you cant do that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, that depends on the company'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and sometimes, shareholders' votes don't even matter, like in those salary votes a while back'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most companies that have 2 types of shares, have two prices for the shares.....one for voting and non voting....FB didnt do that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not much point if they can just make the votes nonbinding'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only the board determines salaries :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the shareholders.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they ought to fire the board...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only people who can fire the board are the majority shareholders.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who own voting shares :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in those salary cases, the majority did vote against the board's recommendations...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, but it meant nothing...the board doesnt have to accept the vote.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the shareholders could've tried to fire the board...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess they figured that they wouldn't go that far'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if they have a majority of the voting shares.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they had a majority at that vote...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Like the US having the majority of the voting shares of GM, the US can tell GM to fire the ceo if it wants.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless there were significant blocks that abstained...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how facebook prices will do tomorrow...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was pretty smart of FB to dilute the shares of the other founder though...I would have done the same damn thing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i wonder how much longer FB will be around'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$2 billion on a $15,000 investment though is damn good....one of the best returns on investment ever.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that myspace thing is still around right? Probably facebook will also survive in some form...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah true enough'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, my country's consumption tax was designed for people like saverin...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they should merge and become myface (yeah i know old joke)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spacebook!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'consumption taxes do not bother me that much as long as income taxes are removed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would have a problem paying both a VAT and a consumption tax on top of that, plus a state sales tax. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, he gets his profits from elsewhere, moves, and pays us consumption tax. Even if he never earns a cent of income ever again, he'll still be paying lots of taxes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a 7% consumption tax, so we might be able to milk him a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I had my way...the US corporate tax would be dropped to a max of %15'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha! The US is already deep in debt and you want to make it worse...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes, because large corporations pay such high wages...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe you should fix the debt thing before lowering taxes like we did...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Corporate tax has dropped every year for the last 20 years because the top rate is 35%'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the revenue from it, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fix the loopholes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about get rid of it completely, and just charge a fixed rate of 15%, no deductions.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, they'd still move their income offshore'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, because by getting rid of the tax code, you just got rid of the overseas loopholes :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without fixing the loopholes, reducing the rate only reduces your revenue...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i agree flat rates are they way to go, deductions are such a half-ass way of going about it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the loopholes are built into the tax code itself by previous politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get rid of the tax code entirely, and you'll get more loopholes. What's stopping them from moving profits offshore unless you prohibit it?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'international tax treaties.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Any dollar made in the US would be taxable at 15%, unlike now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without specific rule, it's easy for them to say - oh, no, no, nonononono, see, my 10b of profit comes entirely from my other subsidiary, not the US subsidiary, which made zilch, see, and the holding company is in the bahamas... i don't owe you anything!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tax currently allows companies to write off large losses in previous years to profit in this year.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you're proposing a 15% tax not on profits, but consumption. In which case you can watch your economy choke on the prohibitive tax.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, if you tax 15% of revenue of a company that makes 10b and spends 9b... company goes bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'in my opinion, we just need to return to a fully property tax based system, and eliminate income tax entirely.  It's far to easy to claim your income is from some tax shelter in a foreign country today. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back to serfdom, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that way, if you have a factory, a corporate office, whatever here: you pay tax on it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'telecommute'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'if you're poor and don't own any land, you're under the tax radar'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mailboxes, etc. for an address'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'consumption taxes are the best way though.....a company buys a car, bam sales tax, a company sells a widget, bam the buyer pays sales tax, the company buys office supplies, bam sales tax, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything would get charged sales taxes many times over. :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so a high tech factory making zillions pays the same property tax as a low-tech plant? recipe for disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I thought about sales tax too, but all that does is discourage the use of currency in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if you do that, that'll screw over companies on tight margins'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has a sales tax and property tax only, and it works pretty well.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in that "tax property" model, if somebody owns property that earns little or no revenues - are they foreclosed by tax burdens'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'plus we've seen how sales tax is implemented today, the cost is always passed onto the consumer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and companies are flocking to Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, back to the company making revenues of 10b and spending 9b... 15% tax on revenue or consumption = screwed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'income tax itself doesnt bother me, what bothers me is having to pay 35% of income, just because you happen to make much much more.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I assume that 35% is a marginal rate...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is fine as it is... as long as they close enough loopholes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you are making say $15 million a year, marginal or not, you are paying close to 35% in tax on real income.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless it is investment income, then it is 15%'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, when my country was paying off our debt, even the middle class was paying 50% marginal rates'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and americans whine about 35% tax rates... no wonder the country is in a hole...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, it was the old people who got us into this mess...let them pay for it :P....all the seniors can pay the tax :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem as I see it isn't that 35% is a lot, it's that some people are successfully avoiding a lot of it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's not what got you into this mess...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your generation and the next generation and the generation after that don't make the effort, well...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the revenues are earned from resources, after subtracting expenses *directly* related to earning revenues, tax the remaining revenues (indirect expenses and ceo bonuses and excessive salaries are not eligible to be subtracted)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it was, it wasnt generation x or y that got us into this mess in the first place. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's the scammers in the white taking the tax payers for trillions'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'err white house'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if no generation wants to stand up and take the hit to reform the country, you'll just keep sliding down...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Taxes is a fundamental income for the government (even though corrupted) to expand the civilization into a magnificient sculpture ... With that, providing significant products for you to "enjoy life" and supporting your basic needs for all kinds of things. None can really complain about Taxes as nearly all protest and by that, increasing all prices. By the amount of protestors each year, the government must apply to their demands or there might be concequences to take into consideration. My point be,'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I just tell people if they want to get rich now, start your own damn company.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you can hold back part of your income, hide it, and pay less tax.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'is that people increase their own taxes. None is to blame but yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'tac rate matters little when you can just keep borrowing until the lender just comes and takes over america'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, borrow a couple of million from your parents, get that education, and start your own company!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, you dont need a couple million....a plumber can easily make a couple hundred grand a year.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not what I'd call rich, though. Very well-off, but...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know a plumber in Alaska who is worth over $5 million.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'electrition is a good gig too'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not quite romney-rich. Not even obama-rich, probably'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama isnt exactly rich....he made around $700k last year, and $500k of that was from being president.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'romney made about $30 million last year from his tax free investments and capital gains.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like all american politicians, they get a lot of earnings from "goodwill" which gets converted after their "retirement"'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the revenues are earned from resources, after subtracting expenses *directly* related to earning revenues, tax the remaining revenues (indirect expenses and ceo bonuses and excessive salaries are not eligible to be subtracted)qitp'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just get rid of all income tax, and just charge sales taxes and property tax'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, company making 10b, spending 9b... oh why do I even bother.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Engineering, Architecture, Electrician, and having knowledge and skills in Medication is the most 4 basic ways of becoming "rich" quick. Or, rob a bank and pray you survive and get away clean.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, if you are a company making $10 billion, you are going to have a bigger building than one making $100 million, unless it is a tech company. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why you're going to go bankrupt, if you attach a 15% tax to revenues...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if your making only 10% before expenses, then your company sucks...name 1 company that only makes 10% before expenses :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I said to get rid of all income tax, not put a 15% tax on it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you're going to tax their property, don't be surprised if land-intensive manufacturing moves offshore entirely...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hogwash'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any company that adds little value to their product (those involved in trading, repackaging, etc.)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'amateur economists are usually incompetent'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amazon.com had a distribution center in north texas for a couple years....then the state asked amazon.com to start collecting state sales tax from texas customers.....so amazon left the state....well, amazon made a deal with the state to charge a 3% sales tax instead to texas customers, and reopened the distribution center...bringing back 1000 jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amazon realized that by having the distribution center in texas, it saved shipping costs and time by quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an across-the-board sales tax is just going to subtract from their revenue rather than their profit. Income taxes take from profits'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'professional economists are usually devious, corrupt, (and "incompetent" from a national viewpoint)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you mean to get rid of all "income" taxes including ones that take a percentage of revenue, you can't have sales tax either'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I agree with Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'income tax hurts the poor more than the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good professional economists suffer from "I-have-little-idea-what-he's-talking-about-and-I-disagree-with-his-conclusions-so-he-must-be-evil" syndrome'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if you don't make them pay any'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it hurts the economy, and the working poor depend on the economy for jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, it hurts the economy less than your "solution" of replacing it with a sales tax'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not, the donkey is always right...and the donkey says no to income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the level of sales tax you'd need is high enough to kill many small companies'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt have a problem with a capital gains tax of 15%, but an income tax on earned income is stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and even some larger companies... I mean, I don't like exxonmobile, but their revenue is something like 500b and operating income is about 75b...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'slap a 15% consumption tax on them and they're walking the tightrope'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the IRS spends more money each year enforcing income tax laws than NASA spends per year on R/D and space travel.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, their us operations...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's a problem with the tax code... it needs to be reformed to close loopholes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not thrown out entirely'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Exxon pays close to 36% in tax, I have no problem with them.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but if you put a 15% tax on all their products instead, they're going to be a step from dying.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much all energy companies pay big time taxes, it is the tech companies that cheat the system.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and take walmart... 450b revenue, 26b operating income...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dead'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'put a 15% consumption tax in place of a tax on income (profit), and guess what's going to happen to the economy?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has no corporate income tax...but it does require any company that earns more than $250k a year to report the income.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '425b / 500b is 85%  -- 15% is far smaller than 85% -- if 15% consumption tax is going break that 85%, that is sloppier than the Bob Newhart system of accounting'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the first thing that will happen is that the US will enter into a debt crisis.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'hmm... remove income tax and replace with sales/consumption tax... isnt that going to have a greater impact on low income families and therefore increase need for financial support for them?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'just spitballing here...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that too'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on middle-income families as well.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'double the current taxes on the extremely rich iuntil the debt is paid off'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, you would need to scale it, ie lower income people would get a refund on food, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some level of sales tax can be tolerated by the economy, but replacing all income taxes with sale tax is just not going to work'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or just not tax grocery bought food.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but restaurant food would of course have the sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the low-income burden can be solved by handing out a certain amount each year to everybody'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas added a FAT-TAX to restaurants in the state.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but that's likely a political non-starter in the us...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'I also feel I should point out that the UK runs both systems concurrently atm... we have income tax and we have a Value Added Tax on all non-grocery shopping'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of countries use both, yes...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a plan floating around in either MO State or at the federal level that will tax home gardens the same as commercial ones.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'and we still have a fairly substantial debt crisis - due to the issues with planning/expenditure'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hah, I wont be paying a tax on the roses in my front yard!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: '(and yes I know have grossly oversimplified)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'after the national debt is reduced to 0 (or a surplus), and the tax rate returned to normal, watch how the extrtemely rich, the lobbyists, and (grafted) politicians scramble to never incurr a national debt again'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nice thing about taxes on income (profits) is that if you tax only profits, even if it's a high rate, it won't kill the company. But it will deter expansion...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was to be modeled similarly to the puppy mill thing we recently voted against and had the legislature vote yes on.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in that sense, it does less damage'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no expansion means no jobs, no raises or bonuses, and probably no company functions (holiday parties, softball teams, etc).'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just do what my grandma did in the great depression....bury all her families money in a place no one could find.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'quest info'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really... if you're taxing profits only, expenses like wages aren't subject to it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'raises come out of profits'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not lately.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raises come from crappy performance.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reduce the national debt to 0, and taxes required to run the country shall be far less'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bank loses $ 1 billion and the ceo gets a damn $25 million bonus.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the decision to give raises involves that.  The actual raises come from the pool of money the guy at the top thinks of as "his".'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the bank made $1 billion, the bastard would get $35 million'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '0 debt would be much worse than the debt problem we have now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you have to have debt to keep things running, just not to much debt.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hans - if a company is making 20m profits and paying 35% taxes on profits, they pay 7 and keep 13. If they decide to pay out 10m extra in bonuses and raises, they make 10m, so they pay 3.5 and keep 6.5.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the interest payments on the national dept are feeding parasites'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that 10m doesn't come entirely from that 13.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '0 debt would mean 0 credit card debt, 0 school loan debt, 0 mortgage debt, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'basically a 0 economy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I believe he means govt debt'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth is doing a "chicken little" ("0 debt - noooh, the sky is falling")'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt debt provides a lot of jobs....the problem is when they start printing money to build things like aircraft carriers, or for wars in other countries'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that debt had been used to build highways in the US, it wouldnt be so bad.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you reduce the national debt, the politicians already know you are able to withstand (make do with?) the current financial realities and will very likely keep them at present levels instead of appropriately racheting them down like we expect.  This means there will be even more money to throw around on pet projects on both the domestic and foreign fronts.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only if your politicians and voters suck'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which unfortunately...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"chicken little" was also a murderer -- the huge national debt is murdering the USA'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will spend $85 billion on afghanistan and iraq next year.....just think how many high speed trains we could build with that money.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or how many small countries we could regime change.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt debt burden is still tolerable, actually. Just need to fix it by collecting more from avoiders, especially when the economic crisis has passed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I seriously doubt a peaceful afghanistan and iraq will be worth the $3 trillion we will have spent on them.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if the USA were to simoly throw money at "high speed trains" there be greedy pigs supplying crap shoddy versions of overpriced high-speed trains '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'kill whitey... that would help a lot :P *duck*'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'need better govt'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is whitey'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whitey ford ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'a slang for white people'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like saying nigger, but people just laugh instead of getting offended.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't remember where I saw it, but there was this chart which showed a pretty strong correlation between the corruption perceptions index and average economic growth...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems the current purpose of politicians in the USA is to steal as much money from the USA as possible, for themselves, and their cronies and or special-desires'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they give it all to the donkey.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the difference between pork and not-pork is often hard to see.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'building a $700 million bridge to nowhere is pork.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hope at least most went to wages for ordinary construction workers...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the time, and assuming the bridge was actually built, probably so.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although I bet they overpaid for it and most went to some crony'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it was cancelled before it was even started.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bridge in my hometown was built though....at a cost of $12 million in 1987.....it connected the city to a nearby island....and now the island produces about $350,000 a year in property tax.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a new boat harbor was built on the island.....very good value.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even the govt has to take risks sometimes... sometimes the bridge turns a huge profit for the nation, sometimes it ends up being a bridge to nowhere...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nowadays, though, you spend a lot of money keeping inspectors happy.  When I quit the industry in '08, the St. Louis Fire Chief's office (who had to look over any Fire Safety plans when designing sprinkler/suppression systems, and issuing permits for such) had a solid 2-year backlog.  Much of our work went up long before any permits were issued.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'St louis is also one of those cities that has an income tax....no thanks. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the city does (applicable for work/residence inside the city limits).  The surrounding metro area does not.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Is it just me or is the tmobile girl on the motorcycle just hot ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if the sun's shining'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds fine Utah school for soda machine, and declare snickers bars nutritious'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'quiet uker, the sun doesnt shine in england.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'snicker bars are not nutritious ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemy!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the sense they mean it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should have huge floating sea kelp farms on the oceans.....turn it into a high quality protein source.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Run!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a guy in Tennessee was digging in his backyard when he found 13 gravestones under 3 inches of dirt.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tops or the bottoms?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the headstones.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or were they toppled?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the markers are military headstones from the 1960s, but the VA is not clear how they ended up in the guys backyard.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was probably a high school prank that got disappeareded when the kids realized how serious the trouble would be if they got caught.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what happens on NCIS never actually happens in real life.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what did the tvseries NCIS do that was unlikely irl'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'a lot of stuff'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the content of the cases.  Serial-killer wives who make their husbands eat the toes of their victims just doesn't ever happen in RL.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not even in chili ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'they have a very small team for one thing thats not realistic at all but most crime shows do that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about 74 year old grandmas who shoot their teenage grandsons 8 times while he is calling 911 to report that his grandma has gone nuts ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all told, law enforcement in real life is just plain boring.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'irl ncis probably has dozens of agents on that one crew'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'and how could one person run their entire crime lab?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those were the perverted sex desires of the scriptwriters leaking into those NCIS scripts'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the exciting stuff like that hollywood shootout with the bodyarmor doesn't go like it does on TV.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'irl people call for backup'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a crime lab on TV is run by the same type of person nerds try to roll up in their gaming group every week.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what does Pauly Perette look like rolled up'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet she's got 18 in Intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps 10 in Charisma as Abby's role tends to be the naive and innocent little sister'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'omg i have nevere watched ncis'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 16 or higher in dexterity since she can probably kick your ass'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd give her a 14 in str and dex to account for her fighting skills, but that's all assumed since we never got to see her actually fighting (I think her only "fight scene" was a cutaway where we saw Charles come up behind her with a knife and when we returned to the lab Charles was on the ground ducktaped to the floor.)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a recent documentary stating: most coroners in the USA are likely incompetent and with inadequate labs - some are even corrupt and support corrupt law enforcement'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '- h8'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ziva is my fav char....an israeli assassin who joins the team.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aww, now you done it, Zade.  You just had to wake up Spamzilla...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, state-of-the-art forensic labs are the rarity'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'in soviet russia coroner mocks YOU'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, state-of-the-art forensic labs are mostly a fiction '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kate was a good opposite to tony, but since she was killed off....ziva has taken that place....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ziva's much better, but they weirded out the relationship by offering hints of attraction.  I mean, granted, they weren't related but they laid on the familial analogy pretty thick for several seasons.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an alterna view is that: the Jews killed off Kate so that another jew may infiltrate NCIS'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'somehow I don't think that show is that deep.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that was the main view'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade near competely avoided watching NCIS:LA -- was unbelievable adulterated crap, although Dick Cheney fans may like the murderessness of the old female crone
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I watch for the Kellon character (LLCJ's partner)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame the guy who invented the iPod didnt get to benefit from it, since he wasnt able to secure the copyright of the idea because it cost $120,000 to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, the patent for it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last epidode of House "Everybody dies" was disappointing crap -- the first 45 minutes was mostly fiction and false, in retrospect '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no spoilers!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note to self -- do not invent anything unless able to afford patent fees'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bHer T4 went to her old address, somebody at the old address wrote deceased on her T4 slip, sent it back to the government, and instantly they declared her dead, froze all of her assets, her bank accounts, and stopped paying her pension,b says Florencebs son Fred. http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/canadian+government+believes+calgary+mother+deceased+following+mail+mix-up/6442549838/story.html wouldn't that be a real sob, being declared dead but still alive - one of these people tried to withdraw their insurance benefits since the government said they're dead'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(not neccessarily the woman in the artcile, it was on the news awhile back though)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that happened in the states, too'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apple eventually paid the original patent holder for use of the original designs for his ipod like portable music machine....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy who invented it did it in 1981'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy also defended Apple in a lawsuit brought by another company that said apple infringed on their designs, when apple based the ipod on the original 1981 designs.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, weren't those called Walkmans and invented by Sony?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guys original designs look pretty much like the early ipod designs....uncanny. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah... cause apple NEVER steals ideas...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, so Apple only became "generous" in retrospect when sued (?)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'walkmans use tape technology, the 1981 pre ipod machine used computer memory and could be recorded to via outside sources.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apple had to buy the ipod trademark also....since someone apparently had already copyrighted it for internet kiosks in malls...called ipods. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apple needs a new ipod, the current version is 2 years old.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think the iphone 4s is that old...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I know! How are we supposed to pay another $250 for the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING, if they won't release it? :('
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how else are you sheep supposed to support the stock price ?!!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and I heard ipad 3.0 is going to be a phablet'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as of 2011, over 300 million ipods have been sold worldwide.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new maxi-ipad ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I like the new Asus eepad, it has a made for it docking keyboard that also extends the battery to 18 hours.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$500 for an ultrabook eepad computer with 18 hours of battery use....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'less if you turn it on lol'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I have one, and the battery plus the docking keyboard lasts me an avg of 16.8 hours.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I think pads with keyboard docking is the future of laptop computing....buying a basic pad computer, and expanding on that with a keyboard, more battery, and storage if you want.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and getting away from windows.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Any experienced artist (painting/drawing) in here somewhere? Sent tells. Wanna ask something...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love the US Coast Guard....they do a fine job in hard situations.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so do the Pink Ponies'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Still waiting for Men in White.....so racist for it to be Men in Black.....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think they did that movie already when they filmed Dogma'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some would say that you thinking that "Men in Black" is racist might make you a racist...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no they wouldn't.  Those people think racist means disagreeing with Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a very strong possibility in the US :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Promethius'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He's still bound...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists have for the first time succeeded in taking skin cells from patients with heart failure and transforming them into healthy, beating heart tissue that could one day be used to treat the condition.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just don't stay out in the sun for too long or you're get heart cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cloning the heart after some genetic engineering seems to me the best solution. Unless you are a religious freak...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The research team took skin cells from two men with heart failure - aged 51 and 61 - and transformed them by adding three genes and then a small molecule called valproic acid to the cell nucleus. They found that the resulting hiPSCs were able to differentiate to become heart muscle cells, or cardiomyocytes, just as effectively as hiPSCs that had been developed from healthy, young volunteers who acted as controls for the study.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one question, though.  Why did they use skin cells?  Why not just use heart cells?  I presume they overwrote the defective dna in the heart cell nucleus with healthy-cell dna...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently skin or blood cells are the best ones to convert to other types of cells'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which you don't need to do if you modify the dna before you clone it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It also seems to allow the new cells to bypass the telomerase problem also, by using skin or blood cells instead of stem cells.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'cool'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the researchers injected the new heart cells into rats, and the cells bonded with the existing cells, creating new connections and worked how they were supposed too.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'YAIRS'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ands when are they going to do this with human rats'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the research continues to be promising, in about 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when they are sure the rats won't die'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the rats will die anyway'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so lot of human vermin are going to be dying from heart disease because of this ten year delay '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'people will die anyway'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'medical research takes a lot of testing'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'waiting ten years also jacks up the cost of R&D so that only rich human vermin are able to afford the treatment'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also a CYA component.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they dont just jump from rats to humans....they do monkeys and apes next.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah this is more about money than "saving lives"'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they ought to be allowed to jump straight to testing on willing volunteers who's condition is otherwise fatal anyway'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just because they can take cells from a human, change them in a lab, and show the process works...it doesnt mean they can just inject the cells back into a human and see if it works.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'euthanasia or labrat, kinda like prison or military?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you gotta do it in rats, then apes, then humans.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who are fully informed that the treatment is untested and will probably kill them anyway'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'works on rats but is mysteriously "a priori" deemed "unlikely to work on humans" until another ten years passes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It probably took them years to find a process that actually worked from human cells, and then worked in rats also, and perhaps apes, etc'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'scientists have kids that need to go to college/uni too :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and another reason why the Nazis were supposed to win the war -- they'd skip the overlong delays)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not only that, but to be assured it doesn't cause some other random disease instead.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like thalidomide. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad example, Majic'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, my aunt died from that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'medical research is an expensive, time consuming endeavor.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vioxx'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any other drug that's been withdrawn due to side effects noticed AFTER it was in use.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'finding a cure for heart disease is worth the time and money to fix though.....probably have a better chance of a cure for that than cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there are cures for cancer :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is called death.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cancer goes into remission, it isnt cured. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sides, how will they keep all the donation money rollin in if they cure it?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA (non-Nazis?) went ahead with Thalidomide, unless you're hinting the USA is where the Nazis went, and hence the thalidomide in USA (but not in Canada - no Nazis in Canada)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf? my comment about thalidomide had absolutely nothing to do with your comment about nazis.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '22 May 22:52:43 (Debate) Majic: 'not only that, but to be assured it doesn't cause some other random disease instead.'22 May 22:52:55 (Debate) Majic: 'like thalidomide. ' <--- why medical testing is necessary beyond 'does it work in rats''
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'research in growth of body parts and organs from skin or blood cells is progressing quite well though.....there should be treatments for many of those related illnesses in our lifetimes.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard on a national geographic channel commercial that shark's are immune to several diseases, including cancer - and also about a ocean bacteria that eat's cancer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think it's impossible to cure people with cancer or develop immunity to it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Naked mole rats are immune to cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research into actual cures will most likely be developed only from govt/charity funded research, due to conflicts of interest in for-profit types. Unless the cures are really expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, that's what govt is for... to do what the private sector cannot, by its nature.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Einstein helped the nazis to create a time machine?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the cancer-eating bacteria is simple and inexpensive to obtain/produce and is safe for human consumption, the cancer-eating bacteria is likely to appear in HealthFood stores'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Further study of this pathway is providing the molecular basis for developing therapeutics to treat osteoporosis and other diseases of bone loss. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748652 osteoporosis and arthritis/bone illnesses are common among alot of people, but this research (i did a google search and posted first link relevant from nih website) doesn't seem to be widely publicized on ordinary reporting services'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in one article i read within (maybe the last 5 years) they were apparently able to trigger bone growth and reduction manually in their research, and there was 1 medicine available only in the USA that had similar affects on people'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most drugs that they release seemt o have adverse side effects and stuff now, but I've been on the lookout for updates on their progress, since they seem to be making some'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'drug companies deliberately add adverse side affects'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nazis are doing it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a youtube video that was about 4 hours long from austria or germany that claimed that'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't in english though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'thats conspiracy theory bullcrap'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'what reason would they have to add bad effect to drugs?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to sell more drugs to treat the side affects ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'every drug company wants to make a perfect drug, but it doesnt happen they just want to make billions before ppl start sueing because their family members died'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'they make more than they get sued for (a lot more) then they pull the drug'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont eat that bagged lettuce.....the govt is finding listeria in packaged bagged lettuce from california.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The bagged salads are sold under the names River Ranch, Farm Stand, Hy-Vee, Marketside, Shurfresh, The Farmer's Market, Cross Valley, Fresh n Easy, Promark, and Sysco.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again? dole had a ginormous recall of the bagged salads a few years back'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'that argument is stupid because you generally cant take a drug to counter the side effects of another drug doctors will switch you to something else, usually something made by a different company'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my mother's been telling me to wash or not eat those bagged salads for years :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the notice of listeria was released today about the bagged lettuce from california.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'yeah our food production industry is terrible in the US'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'there is actually legislation that prohibits slaughter houses and food production facilities from being shut down'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'they just get fined even when they produce what is basically vats of e-coli'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could be worse..you could be drinking milk with fake protein in it, the same stuff that is used to make particle board that is sold at home depot. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like they do in China.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'might be, who knows'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'they put high fructose corn syrup in everything'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'why not cardboard'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone knows hfcs is good for you, it is just like normal sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to the commercials on tv and radio :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'yeah trust commercials on tv :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto will do whatever they have to to get consumption of hfcs back up....it is down 18% in 1 year. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth i disagree, i think monsanto has diversified and is doing well in the fiber production markets'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So that is where they are putting the extra hfcs !'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'hear the lastest, apparently they spray the corn with and insectide and blows up the bugs stomach'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'special laws to protect hfcs is why real sugar costs 2x the normal world price :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'i thought US sugar was heavily subsidized to keep the price down'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, the price is kept higher in the US to create a market for hfcs'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'speaking of sugar... i've heard it can be grown chemically now'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why imports of sugar into the US from other countries has dropped, Brazil used to be a big exporter of sugar into the US.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'whats the point of that? isnt it easy enough to grow it already?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta protect the corn growers in the US :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dunno, i'd love to try growing some sugar'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'actually, i've heard my agave can be made into syrup as a sugar substitute, but im no chemist'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'they destroyed hundreds of acres of sugar crops here in georgia just a few years ago and made the price skyrocket'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'dont know why they did it though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus if they own it, they should be able to destroy it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is the same reason why Brazil is not allowed to export ethanol into the US even though it is much cheaper than the corn ethanol made in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to protect the corn growers.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of the carribean nations used to rely alot on sugar trading, from what i read'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'when i heard about it it boggled my mind it just seemed so stupid'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sugar cane and stuff, it looks healthy compared to some of the stuff like you guys are talking of'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus shrug, a lot of its always just propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'also known as ' spin' or ' marketing''
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you want to tell me how to make sugar from plants, or chemicals, i'd love to try it'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ethanol prices in the US would be at least $1 cheaper per gallon if we imported the ethanol from Brazil instead of turning corn into it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth what else is corn good for, keeping in mind the lack of quarred nitrates for use as fertilizer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can make plastic out of corn.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some people eat corn...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth ok but i dont have corn, i have agave'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont even have corn seeds =('
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can also make corn whiskey out of corn....ie ethanol.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'you could look up how to grow sugar cane, but im sure its not easy'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth how would i do that, with agave?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus if serfs can grow it. so can i!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can make ethanol out of agave nectar.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'much easier to grow marijuana and sell it to buy more sugar :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and how do you get the agave necter out of the agave'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably cost 3x more than corn ethanol though.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus i cant grow marajuana, i'm in the usa'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the secret to sugar cane is how you cut it, if you cut it properly it regenerates.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth not if i dont use electricity in the process'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elbow grease and solar power = free'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'i know plenty of ppl that grow marijuana just dont tell the police'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the agave costs more than just buying a 50 lb sack of cracked corn at a feed store.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth i already have the agave.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you have 400 lbs ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it requires a tiny amount of water, some soil substrate, and sunlight.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are people still getting caught for smuggling sugar in from canada?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so make some tequila'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do i need 400 LBS?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, um, why tequila and not mescal?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, the tropical weather in Canada makes it ideal for sugar cane growing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'im not in canada.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the more agave plant you have, the more moonshine you can make, the more you can sell, and make $50 a gallon.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, anyways, if all you wanna do is whine about the money made by corporations, it doesnt seem very productive'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tequila  is easier on the system than straight mescal.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, funny how people keep trying to smuggle in sugar from a country that doesn't make any'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth 50$ a gallon seems pretty useless... at that price why not just drink it myself'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos okay. so what's needed to make tequila'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a distillery'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i mean, apart from the its not blood thing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos okay, that i dont have. what about just making non consumable alcohol for cleaning parts or evaporative cooling purposes'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its basically yeast + carbohydrates right?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you might be able to squeeze $100 a gallon out of it though, but usually only get those prices for brandy moonshine...like banana or apricot.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can just let it ferment'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that seems le a waste of a good plant... wouldnt carbon sequestration of a rubisco containing c4 metabolism plant be better?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, well i wouldnt mind giving it a try. the permits are cheap for that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people were getting drunk in the Paleolithic, so technology is not an issue here.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You wont be able to get a permit to make moonshine.....just a ticket to jail if you are caught in the US :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth its a 15.00 permit through the bureau ofa lcohol tobacco firearms and explosives'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have a website'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cant get a permit to make hard alcohol, only for beer or wine :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, then i can make beer or wine.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my grandma makes molasses cookies and other things with molasses sometimes, it's healthy and naturally sweetened :o'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i can get a permit for methyl alcohol just fine. so i dont see the problem if its not for consumption bro'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but in the end, i really feel like you just want to complain, and offer no solutions'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'make beer and distil it... oh wait :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'santher, i cant make beer =) i have a box of electronics parts and an agave'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's all you need'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fiendish no its not. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's gonna be some gross beer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fiendish unless you think i could use electrostatic discharges to cook the agave, i'd be lacking the neccesary heat to ferment'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yeah man. just put it in a box in the closet for a week and then come back later'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the cactus turned a darker shade of green'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but was otherwise livid'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher Tells Ol' Dirty Fiendish Chill...Because Its TiMe FoR a FaTtY, bOoM bAtTy,BlUnT.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you happen to live in cali ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what maceration is, VampireDude. How the cavemen discovered alcohol. '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I thought maceration is what you do late at night when nobody is looking.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos really? i thought the augustiner monks did'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless they hung around the stone age, they weren't the first ones to make something to get you drunk.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wanna "discover" alcohol... just go eat some rotten blackberries at the end of summer'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'monks in the stoneage... sounds like a movie idea to me'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, wouldnt it be more profitable to make something else... like portable usb chargers, or narcotics or so on'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont see the point of buying the equipment to make a still. it seems lame'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it still wouldnt get me the sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you lived in cali, I would just grow 12 marijuana plants in a big closet and sell to a dispensary for some extra income.  you can get a medical marijuana permit for up to 12 plants.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, getting drunk on usb chargers, interesting idea but I don't think it'll work.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'how about portable usb chargers made of narcotics'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth yeah, but the sunlight those takes is a lot'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus i actually was reading about gallium arsenide based bacteria batteries that could eat plant matter and recharge a substrate consisting primarily of iodine'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'so use a pedal powered generator :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cali has lots of sunlight'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which in turn changes the charge of an electrically conductive plate, and charges a circuit'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love perpetual motion engines, they are fun.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc it does. but a closet in cali has very little, my neighbor that moved out was openly gay and he used to live in cali as a kid.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i could email him to ask...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'used to be a lot of closets there :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how did get get to the rainbows without sunlight?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe a disco ball?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add a skylight to the closet, and put reflective lining on the walls.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you also need a few water drops, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth oh. maybe a photomultiplier!'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it never rains in southern california.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it rained during the pleistocene era'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it wasn't southern california, then :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'according to who?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think the continents were shaped quite the way they are now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you think they were shaped?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'according to state records?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'santher but california was not initially a state'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just ask santa anna'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'santa clause'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the end of the Pleistocene, yes, the continents were the same way, but I doubt that they were exactly as they are now at th beginning.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude pictures santa trying to take the alamo, complete with his reindeer.
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so anaristos, if i wanted to put together a clc filter that could allow me to light a low wattage led once the circuit was fully charged.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody responded to "it never rains in socal" with "but it pours, man it pours"?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so disappoint'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc sorry, i'll try to get you wet next time'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could also try compact florescent lights to grow the plants in the closet.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth those require electricity.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which in turn raises the overhead'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tap into your neighbors power supply.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its a lot cheaper to just use sunlight to grow.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, taht sounds immoral'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and growing marijuana doesnt ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sell LED grow lights for horticulture now that use alot less energy than ordinary artificial grow-lights, but they apparently cost more to produce'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'im not growing marijuana, like i said, its an agave'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they cover the 'full spectrum' of light that used to require two high-energy lights to cover'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes forever to grow agave.....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth not if you give them sunlight.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mine turns over a new 'leaf' about every 11 days'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then grow some blue agave :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it would grow faster if i focused the sunlight with a parabolic dish'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, i dont have a parabolic reflector'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from memory they replaced a 1000 watt bulb with a 250 watt bulb or a 125 watt bulb'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, if you give me a parabolic reflector, i'll give you an agave cutting'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it only takes 12 years to produce a nice blue agave plant to make tequila....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth less than that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tinfoil will give you a parabolic reflector :-)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not according to tequila producers.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you can just graft them and they grow much faster.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc my tinfoil is not shaped right for a parabolic reflector'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, well, maybe those tequila producers are just 'marketing''
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'feed them some Ortho(TM) plant feed :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the neat thing about tinfoil...it's cuttable and malleable'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos i dont  need to :P the bottleneck is the lack of sunlight'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc ah so? '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'll try to find a knife and cut soem tinfoil.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did it to a dieffenbachia once, and I had to go at it with a machete.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so, that means your tinfoil IS shaped right for a parabolic reflector, if you so choose'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a big fan of tequila personally....I like banana brandy moonshine.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'might be quicker to just buy a bottle...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. well maybe i so choose'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how to make it keep that shape if it is so malleable'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is there like some kind of mordant i would want to use?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1800 gold tequilla is the right choice :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'find something parabola shaped and cover it in tinfoil'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'use tape?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus i dont have anything parabola shaped'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1800 tequila needs to do better commercials.....really dont like that guy who does them now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is annoying'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea very'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'stab a dog in the neck and take it to the vet when they sew it up they put a nice parabola shaped cone over its neck'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'terrathus, you are so useless'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'then just get rid of the dog and keep the cone'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a cone is not a parabola'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, so how should i shape the foil?'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's an interesting thing to say.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'its closer than what he has'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wonder why a parabola is called a conic section...'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'once covered in tinfoil it should work, but of course he'll just say he doesnt have a dog'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found some 1800 silver, but no 1800 gold....'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i have a cockroach though'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1800 silver is their latest product.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even if a reflector is obtained, how is the reflector going to avoid the attention of snoopy neighbours with 555-tips on speed-dial'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont see the need for a parabolic reflector for the cactus if its purely there as a plant and not for production'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, its an agave. agave are legal here'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've been tempted to try putting its periosteum next to the periosteum of an aloe i have.'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the FNBI may yet bash down doors on a fishing expedition -- like on tv '
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'to see if i could get it to respirate during sunlit periods'
T3/r7/2012-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade thats ok, i rent.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so the door repairs not my to do'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda like coconut rum.....'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the aloe's ph range is barely in the agave's though'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and since im no chemist, i am recalcitrant to start cutting'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the danger with uneven tinfoil is that crinkles may act like a magnifying glass and cause burn damage spots on the plant'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'this plant is not afraid of burning.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade i just need enough energy to have its photochromes transfer energy to a couple of gates to pump calcium out and strip hydrogen from h2o'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and if i give it an abundance of energy, thats cool too'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's got some good heatsinking capabilities.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i dont have gold ^_^'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Aluminium foil reflect the full spectrum of sunlight'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade for the purposes of my agave which likes yellow and red light, yes'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, parrot bay rum....'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anything that the aluminum fails to reflect is either shortened, lengthened, or adsorbed as heat / dissipated as radiative thermal energy'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but... the aluminum foil is still shaped like a roll, not a parabolic dish'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'start with a reflector that is a flat plane, the parabolic concavity may come later'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sure. but i dont have many flat planes either'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ans where is this agave plant sunning while you are napping -- outside or inside'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that white-washed walls were the best redistributor of light for indoor horticulture'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those open windows are great for agave burglars'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'outside'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and its no joke, a girl i know's agave got burgled'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and rodents (mice, rats) like tasty vegetable treats'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, agave teeth cause kidney stones in mice'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes, because mice live so long :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'santher, indeed they do'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'santher, by the way, do you think that i should try a chemistry project, an electronics project, or go to a strip club?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not around my kitty'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'why not all 3?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'santher  cause finding a chemist, an electronics guy, and a stripper all at once is usually unproductive'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in fact, a lot of chemists i know, i met at strip clubs'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like they have less people skills than lawyers or cops'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they make bank.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and a lot of the strippers seem to enjoy bank.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so its like the perfect habitat in which to observe the otherwise skittish chemists'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sadly, id ont have any chemist sized pokeballs to remove them for further study'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many grams of agave are required to produce a lite of tequila'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade i dont know. i dont drink tequila'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'd rather find out if the chemistry of an agave would permit for a primary battery'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i dont have a chemist handy, and the clubs close at 2am bartime'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many grams of agave are required to produce a litre of marketable agave product -- competing with agave plantations is no contest'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade i dont need to compete with them, i cut out the distribution and marketplace costs and overhead'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'About 7-8 kg. You can get as many as 5 liters from one plant.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'one plant, several years, 5 litres, does not seem profitable'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Up to 5, sometimes as few as 2. And I think they only use the hearts, so there's a fair bit of trimmings they discard.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, everything but the spines is directly edible'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the spines are often boiled into soup as a calcium substitute i'm told'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much do 5 litres of agave sell for on the wholesale/retail market'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You can get 46 oz of agave for about $12 retail.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Er.. agave nectar.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'So figure fifty bucks, maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genetic engineering to make marijauna plants look like other plants -- there may be profit in that  -- imagine marijauna that grows and looks like a grass lawn'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be a pretty tall grass lawn.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mow the lawn weekly'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh huh, and where would the bud come from ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "bud" is genetically engineeed to be in the grass clippings'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sheesh, $87 to visit disneyland for 1 day?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and add the gene that give immunity to weed-killers and other herbicides'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have still never been to disneyland :D'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plus the gene that permits the immunity and THC genes to spread and become part of other plants'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'THC has great genes :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genetically engineering edible plants that can grow in extreme climates could be interesting as long as they were proven non-invasive of the targetted territory (or adversely impacting)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Problem is ... it's hard to prove their non-invasive until they're out in the world invading everything.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you mess with the ecology something is going to go wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like in the cold northern places where grass and some limited foliage does grow, but not in large enough quantities to be considered survivable'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't grow because it is not supposed to.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with THC plants, the potheads want them to be invasive and unable to be irradicated'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, hard to prove and also inconveniently costly, i understand that - i think well-thought out and tested planning is superior to greed'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doesn't matter if you just smoke the THC'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nature does a good job of planning.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree there, nature is tried tested and true, possibly older than people'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by a couple of years, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are some plants that are causing a problem in the southern USA -- grow fast and plentiful, and seemingly impossible to eradicate'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poison oak and ivy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kudzu'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, kudzu is quite useful now...you can cut it down and make ethanol out of it...and it grows back fast. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'add a THC gene to those plants, and - voila - an endless supply of THC to farm and market in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'basically "screw Reaganites" '
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you keep talking about adding THC genes? Just grab yourself some female hemp and extract, then light it up :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mmm, THC flavoured ethanol'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'THC is combustible'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just splice a marijuana plant with kudzu, and keep doing it until you find a combo that works.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'am trolling -- i never use THC -- bad for the cogitative process'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your loss :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gain, not loss'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more fun if you make cookies with it...smoking is bad for you.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't smoke much THC...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a few drops, a few hits, and that's all she wrote :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC causes vain imbecility in humans'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, grinding it up, adding it to butter and making cookies or baked goods with the marijuana takes longer to affect you, but then the affect lasts longer than smoking it also.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'who's got thc?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh? so what's your excuse?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'grateful dead cookies'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'grind it up? smokable THC is liquid. Actually, semi-liquid :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"grateful dead" Girls Scout cookies'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oozy, is a good word for it :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'if you don't grind when you've got thc, you're not using it right'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the taboo around changing perception of reality is like the taboo around wearing tight jeans to attract male attention, both seem to be un-natural and un-neccessary, cannabis is a herb used over 2,500 years ago in primitive medicine and most modern medicine seems to be derived from herb's'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've read of several possible applications for it and i don't think it's very fair to reject their theories because of some social taboo'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't reject the theories, but overuse certainly is not good. Randomly re-wiring your brain probably won't end up well :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's much better to try to keep as many things illegal as possible so that we can criminalize as much of the population as possible. that way, if you're out of jail it's only on the sufferance of the government!'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people feel lost or oppressed sometimes and they turn to using mind-altering substances and other experiments to feel differently'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they got other reason's, i don't always hate them for it'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slavic folk are less likely to be addicted to THC than western eurpeao addicts -- hemp was more common in eaSTern wurope - so excess eaddiction was eliminated'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, some people do that, but not all :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is not addictive.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would go as far as to say that if you are depressed the last thing you want to do is alter your consciousness.  That's a game for stable people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similar to the story of Amerindians and firewater'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every culture of every epoch has had some sort of alcoholic beverage.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(most modern medicine seems to be derived from herbs might be false or not completely accurate too, but the few pills i looked into seemed to have come from something naturally occurring)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's either not entirely true, or true in the sense that we've only been around less than one epoch.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'epoch win!'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Amerindians permitted technology and discovered firewater (and other volitile organics) long before whiteman arrived, they'd not be so addicted to ethanol (and glue-sniffing)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strong alcohol requires distilling technology and that usually requires metallurgy skills'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they did it for me :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who likes wings from pizza hut ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher raises her hand.
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which ones ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'much better than the pizza'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'umm can't remember...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with the bone or without ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'without'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heartily disagree.  I will hunt you down and make you taste what you ate yesterday if you say Imo's or other cracker-pizza joints are better than Pizza Hut.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pizza hut makes a killer pepperoni pizza pan pizza....'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, csi miami was cancelled....best one of the 3.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the filming of csi miami changed how movies are now filmed....adding the light artifacts is more realistic.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, EU is trying to instigate an electronic ID for all web users'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the IP address is for?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'isn't that what mac addresses are for?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mac address identifies the piece of hardware, not the person. IP address identifies the requester'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both are easily circumvented'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use a scrambler....'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to regulate access to the internet at all so that you have to be authenticated using your eID'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oh like an rfid... lame'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'piece of cake, just use a stolen id and a scrambler.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smart people will always get passed whatever govt wants to do, it is the sheep that get caught by it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing so legally is key'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless the govt is smarter'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, govt smarter....'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'varies by country...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder when was the last time a us president graduated summa cum laude in math, science, or engineering or something like that from an ivy-level institution...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when's the last time an American president was born on US territory'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not that again...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When was the last time the UK won a war by itself? :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1982'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back when it was the british empire, I'd bet...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, falklands doesnt count.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did the US last win a war by itself?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was a war the same way that mound in that backyard's a mountain...'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we always win our wars by ourselves, because no one else has the balls to do it. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the civil war?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do a google saerch for "french military victories"'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, the only wars we fought as a british colony were the F&I and the Revolutionary War.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in both of those, we had help.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'will probably give you lots of stuff on napoleon'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'napoleon was short.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country has never fought a war! (as an independent nation)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google search for "french military victories" and hit "i'm feeling lucky"'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Canada.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"House" was cancelled because Gregory House became an unrepentent lawbreaker'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gives me a long list of victories dating back to 387BC'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia is the largest supplier of uranium in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'House was ALWAYS an unrepentant lawbreaker.  It was cancelled because with just a few episodes each season people were forgetting to watch/record it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reality tv has taken over.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or rather, fake reality tv has taken over.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i miss fear factor'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as my NCIS fix is still there though, I am happy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never have cancelled Jeremiah half way through season 2'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least the WWE is never going away.  In July, as they come up on their 1000th they'll even be approaching twice the consecutive episode run as the #2 Bonanza.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if jeremiah had been on a real tv channel, it would have lasted 5 seasons or more.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an awesome show'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or that other nuclear war tv show'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jericho'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did that go?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas won the civil war.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that sounds too wrestly'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jericho lasted 4 days and 4 nights, then the audience tore the walls down.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the audience did not want to watch/record the antics of a violent drug-abuser pimp-criminal doctor  -- the tvshow was giving the false impression that heavy drug addiction permitted professionals to function properly -- blalderdash script*pervert*writer fantasies and blatant lies'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil Colorado senator blew up 28 large american cities, Texas Oklahoma Arkansas Louisiana and New Mexico created their own country, and joined with what was left of the old US east of the mississippi river to win the civil war with the western states.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "House" tvseries also gave the impression that gimps as doctors were drug-abusers that forced interns and underlings to commit b&e trespass and burglary'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you expect tv to be truthfuk?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's tv'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol do people really take tv that serious? :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jericho was a great idea for a tv series, it is a shame it on was CBS.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be saying you believe everything they put out on the mainstream media news'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA tvwatching populace are impressionable mentally-retards -- some believe that House is a role-model'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the "USA" out of that and the sentence is still accurate'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'House was and is a great show.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's why to much tv is bad for ya'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they really punked out Gregory House at the end, kinda like they did Mace Windu.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The idea for Jeremiah is pretty good though.....a man made virus killing all adults over the age 18, and only the kids surviving except a few outposts of surviving adults who managed to get vaccinated.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ooh, that sounds interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a very good show, but cbs started fiddling with it in the second season, and MJS eventually left it midway through the 2nd season when it was shelved'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'killing off Gregory House's career and killing off Wilson with cancer was symbolic of the scriptwriter/producer cancers infecting the tvseries -- the cancer also killed off any desire to purchase the "House" dvds -- sicko unhappy ending -- Wilson dies in agony -- that shall cause some discomfort nightmares in those that cogitate the show -- which was likely the intent:  watching a douchebag doctor is supposed to cause discomfort and mental turmoil'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, Wilson didn't die (series ends with him having 5 months to live)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"extrapolate" -- Wilson dies in agony'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless a "House" spinoff "Wilson" happens, where a "miraculous cure" is found, or evidence that an insane Gregory House faked the Wilson cancer evidence, and the the cancer was benign or curable all along'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the first 45 minutes of the last episode wwere scriptwriter lies-- since Gregory House never intended to be a fire-victim -- Gregory House also committed murder'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm curious as to how you arrived at the premise that House murdered that junkie, Zade.  The precredits segment at the beginning revealed that the guy was already dead.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the entire episode never really handled the how part, but the implication was that House realized heroin might have been his new version of vicodin and met the guy for a needle party (wherein the guy OD'd).'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the episode also never handled how the fire started in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wilson started it...he wanted to cook some hotdogs.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the guy was dead, murdered by Gregory House with a drug overdose, and in a building set on fire by Bregory House, with *false* fantasies of House staying there until the explosions, when Gregory House was likely long gone as intended by Gregory House all along to fake his death'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'House is my hero.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the switching of dental records shows premeditation to commit murder by Gregory House'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'premeditation, yes, but only after realizing he had Wilson to live for.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the circumstantial evidence is whelming'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'House (shown later in the episode) realized he was going to be utterly alone with no way out of his predicament, with none of his usual confidences stepping up on his behalf to keep him in check.  Classic suicide stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Frank, it's called Crime Scene Investigation!'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'classic premeditated murder stuff -- given the previous track record of criminality by Gregory House'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'someone watches too much house :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to see Greece leave the EU, and tell em we will pay you back after we fix our own economy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why anyone would buy a fed govt bond paying 0 % when you can get a 4.5% muni bond, is beyond me.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'maybe you hate your city?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'federal is city?  since when ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'munis have been known to default?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less than 1/10th of a % has defaulted in the last 80 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the good ones presumably don't give 4.5%'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure they do, corporate bonds are paying %5.5 or higher.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is quite simple to find muni bonds paying %4.5'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like Texas'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '5.5%? what term? On 1 month bonds?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a cursory examination of texas muni yields shows that rates are under 1% for those due in less than 2 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so.... not sure what you're comparing? Apples and oranges?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Battle for Donkey Island!'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need a new dirty harry film.....I wonder who could play the role.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dirty mary?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sequel to the passion of the christ'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Duck Dynasty is one of the best of the new shows on tv.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'is that the show with the beardy guy doing duck calls?'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'guys*'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure is'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the z z top like guys who make duck calls, and do lots of stupid redneck things. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher perks up, something must have grabbed her attention.
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i gotta check that out :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like raiding a fancy golf club to capture the bullfrogs to fry up for dinner.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or blowing up an old duck perch in the swamp, and replacing it with an old rv trailer.'
T3/r7/2012-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the best one so far....trying to steal the honey from an outside bee hive, using an industrial vacuum, and thinking the bees wont attack at night. :p'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'WEED NEEDS TO BE LEGALIZED'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Mythrandir.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Who created their own chain-reactions? It's always fun to create a chain-reaction in social activities or events that seem ....hostile.'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'You find some people that are mysterious, ambitious, very interesting and highly intelligent... If you look closer, and observe them, you can see all the lies and desperation building up inside of them. ... Hidding themselves from reality, they manipulate unsuspected victims by controlling your lust. .. It's very interesting how you can take 1 mind from another and forge 3 more together and see difference, looking past all the lies, illusion, complete bullshyt.. Very interesting. Very amusing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'What do you guys think of Telepathic communication (consciously/subsconciously) ...'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think of the rodeo in angola prison?  http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/05/24/angola-prison-rodeo.html i think it's creepy'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think it's awesome'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they promote good behaviour for people who have nothing to lose by offering the chance to be in the rodeo to exceptional inmates - there's other stuff too though, where prisoners can mingle with visitors, i guess the prison makes some money from it'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it gives everyone something to look forward to'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it's not too bad if they do actually volunteer for it, they mention there's alot of injury's though'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they don't, then not neccessarily only people who deserve to be stomped may be getting stomped'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people who deserved to be stomped'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the sad thing is, a lot of those criminals there, life already stomped them before they ever fucked with anyone'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's their life'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thats not including the people who have fucked up wiring in their heads, just the ones who would have probably been good people had life not turned them into a snarling dog'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they did ruin their life, and society can't allow them to live with everyone else, and that is only fair, really'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i imagine they weren't all the best of people on the streets - quite the opposite, i'm just not sure if turning their pain into a public sport is much of a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but at the same time, just because they have to be segregated from the rest of us doesn't mean that they don't deserve some fun in their lives'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no they love it'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say in the article they might move the rodeo into canada, and canada's laws that can send people to jail for a long time aren't all very fair'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they mention gladiators and things in the article'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'jesus that's altogether different'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you ever seen the movie death race that's what came to mind when i read it'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also, one of my friends who was (is) in prison told me that they have band equipment there, and if you behave then you can form a prison band with the other inmates'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there are some actual good musicians sometimes in there'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, i have no quarrel with it either way, except what it might be escalating into (or could escalate into) more of a sport than a optional activity kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with any prisoners taking part in it'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I highly doubt that that will happen'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh agrees!
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'western black rhino got whiped out by poachers the other year, fascinating animals but no longer exist, like that dodo bird which was unaccustomed to having predators around (people and what they brought) - while there's some people called maasai around serengeti and stuff, is there adequate adequate environmental protection around places like that to prevent more extinctions?'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess if people are just scraping by or getting animals off their land cause they're threatening then they got some point to killing them - but it doesn't seem like that's always the case, and these maasai people sound like they're not the poacher variety if they stuck with their lifestyle as much as possible all these years'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i don't the planet would be so bad off if humans went extinct'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'don't think* :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they could hire them to patrol the serengeti for poachers and that can be their alternate income which the governments of kenya and tanzania are sort of forcing on them'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, people can be horrendous, but they're not all like that'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sharks can be horrendous, but they're not all like that :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shark's are more instinctual, but probably even they're not devoid of choice'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'animals don't care if one another goes extinct, like a leopard and a lion, they're competing for food - people just want to skin them and make rugs though'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i just hope something happens soon to greatly reduce human population... it's getting way outta control'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human population wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is if morality and responsibility and respect were taught and admonished instead of their opposites'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that only would delay the overpoplation problem'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think, i seen the world deteriorate even since 1982, even though there's always been some low spots things weren't always as corrupt from the top'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'free market economy mate use  and abuse at what ever the market will take .... '
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'people are consuming at a faster rate than the earth can replenish... something has to snap sooner or later'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'view the movie " Red Dawn"'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not to mention the huge amounts of garbge we produce'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'consumer habits, tools being commonly used and things like that were mostly handed down from the top, i think - like the new york light bulb that burned for over a century, and changing a lightbulb 4x in a year'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'each of them bulbs is waste that isn't typically recycled'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey don't characterise all of humanity that way - we could be sitting on the next alexander the grea !'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'all alexander did was kill people... big whoop'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nowadays, you get lethal injection or put on meds for the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I disagree but even if that was all he did he did a good thing - humans are an epedemic '
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also how to make a living was typically handed down from the top, like in canada oil is basically the most profitable job to do, even if it disagrees with principles cause canadians maybe consume 10 or 12% of what's produced in a year'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'automation, outsourcing'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody posted a comment on the canadian wheat board being illegally decommissioned by the harper government that mentioned how farmer's are sort of forced to maximize yield using chemicals year in and out too'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people need to eat, that's understandable, but at this pace they might not be able to eat forever, with ever deteriorating natural habitat - because the substances they use to get them crops and the crops they grow for the most money don't neccessarily replenish themselves or the earth'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh - forgot what this chan was like with low energy 0 they upped mt vals n I really can't give a hell atm '
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, that's what they do to people that try and change things'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oh you sound depressed, take this...'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great to see you sgsin Dru ?hugs? fight the egood fight !'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I had a birthday yesterday 19-20 they think that is an event that needs medication      '
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pointing out problems you see in the world isn't fighting them, it's for clarification, and you don't need to be a drug-addict to wonder where the western black rhino went'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and where these thigns are all accumulating to'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'heck they'll medicate you for even "pointing out"'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'gotta be careful'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fight the wes t join Al whatever it is ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'consider animal's migratory paths which are ran over by vehicles yearly, couldn't the government have spent a little extra money to place a bridge every 10 miles or so, so that animals didn't have to look for a creek 20 miles away or whatever?  if they seen a choice between crossing a highway and going underneath a highway they're probably choose going underneath'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'calculate the amount on vehicle insurance spent in the last 80 years'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or money on damages'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they obvious thought things through and are environmentally friendly humans who don't want extinction'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'preaching to the choir mate - go make a differance ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, money means alot to them because the bridges possibly wouldn't have come near the price of the insurance'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's without national parks, just regular animals that aren't in a protected area'
T3/r7/2012-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'air conditioning is the greatest invention ever.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'central air is better than that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'now all they have to figure out is how to keep a building that cold without it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'circulate cool air through pipes in the walls and floors.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or cool water.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I plan on using the constant temp of the earth 3 feet down to save energy on my heating and cooling of my house.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is even more constant 6ft down :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'I thought the vertical heatpump arrays were more efficient...'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, they also generate heat so more efficient?'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'If the white man & the black man, Would do that again. We can make this land.. AMERICAN'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do what again?'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love those yellow onions that are the size of a softball....they make great slices for sandwiches.'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australian businesses will be fined up to AUS$1,000,000 if their staff blame price rises on carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Really? Got a link? I do this on occasion o.0'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which price rises?'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proposed carbon taxes on any food made in aus'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/dont-serve-carbon-lies/story-e6frezc0-1226366534694'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'ohh...so only if we lie about it - that's ok then'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything edible's made of carbon...'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats' not what it's about'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What about salt?'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about the fake climate change tax scam'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were even remotely worried about climate change being human-created by co2 emissions, they'd be replanting forests and protecting rain forests with a considerable amount more effort than they are now'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a scam designed to cover a big power and money grab'
T3/r7/2012-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the smell of napalm in the morning.'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'anybody care to debate DEAD HORSES with me?'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I make them into cowboy stew when they break a leg.'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hahaha....sweet...MMMm MMmmm MMMMM'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'after i have sex with them?  your stew would taste different'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'And when asked if she was saying to the Greeks and other European nations that they had had a nice time and it was now payback time, Ms Lagarde responded: "That's right." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18216307 this woman compares civilized nation's with africa and claims they should be brought to africa's level, acting like citizens had any say over their government'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she seems like the type of person i expected to be running that stuff, obama's chipping in 4 billion dollars to africa too for infrastructure he says'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'She added: "I think more of the little kids from a school in a little village in Niger who get teaching two hours a day, sharing one chair for three of them, and who are very keen to get an education. I have them in my mind all the time. '
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so she wants greek children to be even worse off than them, cause they are civilized'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like an architect of holodomor to me'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet she'll find reasons why canada shouldn't afford food as well, they're so selfish in canada which is 4x the size of china with 32 million people in it'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of Canada is frozen '
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"Of the three billion extra people we expect to have, most will come from the least developed countries, and the population of Africa alone will increase by two billion," said Eliya Zulu, executive director of the African Institute for Development Policy based in Nairobi. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17829665'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, very far north all year it's pretty frozen, most of it has seasons though'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in winter, rediding in th North burns fuel -- and that is expensive'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's sure something, no guarantee of payback or anything, no democratic vote from the public, just i'm sending 4 billion of your tax dollars to africa because i respect them more than you'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, overpopulation from excessive lust for sex is not a valid excuse to flood other countries with the excess populations'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and likelihood that each of those 4 billion dollars will go to criminal enterprise is almost 100%'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and cause africa's governments are corrupt and don't provide structure for their citizens isn't reason why she should be turning greece into africa'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with greece's corrupt politicians who caused the debts her austerity measures are aimed at'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'govrnment official that use taxpayers monies to do "acts of charity" in foreign lands are extremely corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada (or the foreign nations like china and america who run all of the industries) consumes at most 12% of the oil it produces in a year'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a longrunning joke in Canada is that in Quebec, honesty is synomomous with corruption'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'however expensive you think having augmented heat is, it's probably not more expensive than not being in control of your mineral deposits'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that suggests that Canada keep the 78% oil in the ground as a reserve for later years'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree zade, obama is sending tax money to africa, which is very corrupt in the government'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't doubt that they'll trust them to honestly distribute the money among their people too - possibly making a yearly donation to their corrupt officials'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'foreign aid's not going to fix their problems, unless their governments aren't corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'africa has lots of resources and they know how to use them - they force their people to starve to death'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they also have doctors that they send to canada and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they train them over at their university's there'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'colored doctors are likely to be "incompetent" as they are not "in tune" with white patients -- so after training colored doctors, deport them back to the third world countries from which they came'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the worst malpractice cases in Canada are from colored doctors'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know of one about 32 miles from here who burned the doctor he replaced patient files and put their lives at risk by advising proven deadly treatments to illness'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can learn alot from observing haiti, where from 1950-1990 half-breeds were blamed for all of the problems of the pure-breeds who campaigned into government on that slogan'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they are less likely to enjoy burning the files of their patients when they're the same color as themselves'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what "slogan" '
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'however they put it, the general idea was keeping half breeds out of political influence and having a black supremecist nation'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"burning patient files of prior doctors' is (1) a distrust of prior doctors, (2) a cash-grab ploy so new tests must be run, (3) indication of a lack of knowledge by the replacement doctor, whose malpractice incompetence is likely to be highlighted by the prior files (so the burning of patient files is a criminal pre-coverup for later malpractice)'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'haiti is and was corrupt a long long while -- haiti is not worth assisting'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"maybe there is a "God" and this "God" sends devastating earthquakes and hurricanes to corrupt regions" -or- "corrupt regions are more likely to be hit harder by natural disasters"'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i just seen a problem with that IMF Thing attempting to compare africans with greeks, who have some standard of living and ability that africans are denied by their government, whatever corruption greeks government was - i bet she overseen some con-artistry of theirs against their people herself'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of the population's heading for the furnace if things like her run it'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they'll lower it down to the level of the africans she idolizes, using their situation as justification for the civilized plight'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is more to life than extensive book-learning -- (cue music from "The Outer Limits") -- there is also the psychic involvement'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"her" is too ambiguous'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Christine Lagarde'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Legarde sounds french'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, a french lawyer'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she might be just being emotional too and her comparison's are real to her, with all things not considered'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the above monologye, sounds as though the french are causing trouble in greece or haiti or africa or the USA or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i assume that with such a high position in a international bank that causes entire nations to oppress their people, she'd know better'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i threw in obama's 4 billion pledge of tax-money and some other things to expand the problem and her attitude to americans'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he shares the sentiment that cause africa's government denies basic human rights and sustainable development to their own people, american's should be turned into africa and thank the government on their way down'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also they're very uncivilized, which america is devolving into'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans are attempting to turn the USA into an "africa" by beggaring the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin did that in 1929 to russia and for the next decade+ genocided the leftovers'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communists maxist-leninists in american government and the IMF'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there days, anything from the former USSR is corrupt -- since they may've killed off most of the honest decent folk there'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that includes the jews that emmigrated to israel from the USSR '
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, b'nai b'rith has private meetings (the only race in canada who has private meetings - as a racial group) with the leaders of the conservatives, the liberals and the NDP'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the last month or two the news reported that russian jews in new york and toronto were fraudulently collecting holocaust survivor funding'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English likely killed off or oppressed most of the honest decent Irish'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the american foreign embassy to israel is an ex-jewish lobbiest from washington d.c'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shapiro the monsanto big-shot is a jewish person, as is the 58th most powerful woman in the world who's surname is almost identical to shapiro, she's america's financial minister or something'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the b'nai b'rith uses evidence provided by the KGB to convict french canadians of being nazi war criminals'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English oppressed the Scottish, and the result was that the Scottish practice deliberate lying as a form of humour  (The Scotts were forced to learn to lie to avoid exploitation by the English)'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's possible that some jews are like you said'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'england was occupied by the roman empire, which was ruled from one of the places where it's top universities are now'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the monarchy came after that sometime, one of the emperor septimus commandments was to demoralize and genocide scottish people '
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's likely the british monarchy is just a roman puppet'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Voder: 'Brit royalty are pagan occultists'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do you change the way a country thinks?'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish waits for the punchline.
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you make the grunt important.'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish grunts.
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not that kind of grunt.'
T3/r7/2012-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Herpius Derpius: 'That got me hotter than a priest on a playground.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, oil companies are flocking to Kansas now....paying $1250 an acre for mineral rights leases and 20% of whatever is produced.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1250 USD an acre? People pay more than that in LA for living space.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1250 a ft might be more likely :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I love America, i love the beautiful countryside it once had, the freedom it's people used to enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else looking forward to the inevitable eu bank runs?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'george soros, probably'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If the governments have a lick of sense, they will cap/freeze withdrawals on any long term accounts.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They did it here on super and long term deposits for a few months back when Lehman went under - the jitters went away, and everyone stopped being all butthurt about it eventually'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this would be a bigger issue than lehman as all the slack has gone - these are retail banks that would go under'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't care as i don't have assets'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a twisted way, it helps me if it all goes belly up'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lehman had nothing to do with people running to withdraw - it was the cause. If the governments freeze withdrawals, the banks retain liquidity and stay above water'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the only possible solutions are to make 1 country (financially) from the euro zone, or tfor everyone to go back to their own currency'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the second option is more likely'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be almost impossible for banks to have liquidity in the current environment'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to fractional reserve banking and currency creation'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'hence, euros will become worthless, so it's probably a bad idea to withdraw euros today'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I want some trillion Euro notes to go with my Deutschmark and Zimbabwean notes'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end fractional reserve banking and you stop this kind of stuff happening'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you mean go back to the gold or silver standard?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in sweden we solved our financial crisis by making it illegal to have a budget deficit'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'we were in deep shit 20 years ago, no we are fine'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the cause of the euro problems are budget deficits, not fractional banking'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both are factors'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fractional banking creates falsely inflated markets'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'while institutionalizing a balanced budget is a useful thing to do, it can be typically overturned by constitutional majority, so it isn't a perfect protection, plus it can make you unnecessarily suffer in the time of real need'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'true, Randon, I simplified the swedish law, it's not quite so strict as I said'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here they are so desperate not to let the housing market deflate that government welfare policy is set specifically to encourage the pushing up of rental prices, and you have the ridiculous situation of the government promoting mortgages on overpriced properties with absurdly low amounts of deposit'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is one of the things that got people into personal debt trouble in the first palce'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you falsely pump up the market and create false "wealth" through fractional banking, then when it falls over, the soverign states end up with debts they physically can't cope with'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, if you were to balance the UK budget, just balance it, not start paying down the debts, there'd be riots, deaths, and alsorts'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you expect them to do?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'if you make debts that you cannot pay, or in the case of some unnamed countries starting with g, cannot even pay for the freaking interest, it sucks to be you i guess :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'we were in the same situation in the 90s. We tightened our belts, and did what we had to do. Sure, there were complaints, but we had some strong politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't about tightening belts, we're talking about a budget deficit of some 33%'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in greece, sure, but not the entire euro zone'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our deficit amounts to the entire health budget, or the nearly the entire welfare budget'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'where is this?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think you are pretty screwed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone is screwed'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need inflation.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't need inflation'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Asia seems to do ok. Europe, not so much.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you need a nuke? :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Inflation solves all financial problems.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some in the globalist elite that think a nuke or bioplague would be the right approach'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, inflation just impoverishes the populace, enriches the elite, and makes the number bigger'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'asia seems to do ok, because it's dumping majority of its production into places which used to do ok, once they do less ok, asia will stop being okay as well'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an artifact of globalisation, you'll get that until there's one country/one government world'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'instead of a bioplague, kill all the redundant extremely rich ond confiscate everything they own'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'isn't that what hitler did?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not terribly fond of any solution that involves kililng large volumes of people'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i would resist globalisation very voiciferously'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the number of redundant extremely rich are a minority, and likely includes those rich suggesting bioplagues'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it still wouldn't solve the problem'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'How about neither mass murder nor a bioplague?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are and were useful are kept, the other parasites are eliminated -- however an accurate definition of "useful" is required'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing we need to dispatch are those crazy carbon trading loons that are trying to call people racist or evil for being against carbon taxation or regulation'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the USA politicians 'd be euthanised'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're mostly in on it, or have been bought off'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'and don't forget making piles of money themselves on the whole carbon trade'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'what seems like a loony behaviour to you is in fact a rather effective marketing strategy'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, regulate so that people can't do/use things, tax the crap out of it, then hand all the money to big megacorps in subsidies for less effective alternatives in the name of climate change?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'nah, just take percentage of the capital flow for 'services''
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no taxation without representation, we should not being limited or taxed in this way'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take for instance the australians who've had land tax laws applied to half the land saying that if you use that land in a productive way, you need to pay carbon tax'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then instigate fines of up to AUS$1M for any business claiming that a rise in the price of their goods is because of carbon tax'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might as well try and fine people for saying that the earth is round'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'Could you direct me to a place where I can read this law?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have the same thing here with large centrally imposed taxes placed on residential energy supply in order to subsidise wind farms that they -know- are expensive, inefficient, and pointless'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, lemme look it up'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'Thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a good source of info about the carbon tax and the sequestation rules'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.co2australia.com.au/'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and here's some commentary on the fines on dissenters: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-truth-will-out-on-labors-carbon-scam/story-e6frezz0-1226197176697'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think in 20 years time, Germany 1939 going to look like Disney'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not sure what that means.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to be an authoritarian nightmare'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until the English started WWII, 1939 Germany was somewhat okay for the majority'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany didn't invade Poland?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Poland desrved to be invaded'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody deserves to be invaded'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'Where do you get that idea, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if you're going to troll, i'm going to troll)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was trolling'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(scroll back, there was lots of trolling aka blatant incompetence of opinions)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'going back to the start what is going to make 1939 germany look like disney?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'Just because somebody's opinion disagrees with yours doesn't mean they're trolling.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the take over of the world by global governance'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok now we have a starting point.  2032 U.N. or whatever probably isn't going to try to kill millions of people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the opinions are blatently incompetent, that is surely trolling, even if clueless and inadvertent'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'Trolling is intentional.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already are'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'want to give one example?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq war, afghan war, libya war, syrian war'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's direct deaths'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expressing an opinion is intentional, so *hastily* expressing an incompetent opinion is also intentional, thus trolling'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of a stretch to blame deaths caused by poverty as a result of globalist policies on them'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'If I say something that people disagree with, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm trying to annoy them.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'It's only trolling if you're intentionally annoying people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there isn't much of a global governance causing any poverty anywhere.  there are certain nations that have certain polices that I'm sure aren't good for there own people.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"blatently incompetent opinions" are different to "researched properly-thought-out differing opinions"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the global banks had nothing to do with the financial collapse going on, Malkar? UN had no hand in those wars mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN had nothing to do with the climate policies causing problems for many westernised countries now'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zillian: 'And are a matter of opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far easier to sit on the fence and poo-poo others opinions than admit reality'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the only global banks I think would be IMF and the world bank, crisis was caused by bad loans made by non-global banks.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the imf is not a bank'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"blatently incompetent opinions" (hastily expressed verbal diarhoea) are somewhat annoying'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there are also no global climate polices, (it would probably be nice if we had some.)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So why do you do it, then?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kyoto was one such,malkar'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'back at ya'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mostly volantary, and I think now expired.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hsbc, goldmann sachs, jp morgan chase are all global banks'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, malkar, they were treatise that were signed up that saw signing countries set into their own law commitments to a lesser or greater degree'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they are very large, but there is no "global governace"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without that treaty, they would not have done so'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN is global government in all but name. the EU is the smaller scale test subject'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you going to tell me that the EU isn't a government?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the UN is very weak, and the EU isn't global, isn't even anywhere close.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"treatise" <> "treaties"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN is very weak, but nobody is allowed to go to war without their say so. The UN is very weak, and yet Obama can take America to war without permission of congression in violation of the constituion because "the UN said we could"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot be a country without UN recognition'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The EU was probably a mistake (the euro dollar at least), because they aren't really a country, but if you want to attack the EU make that point not some mythical global government.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global government != global governance'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the UN hasn't caused the US to join any war.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what I claimed'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, nitpicking the alleged definitions to obfuscate and derail the conversations'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try again'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is exactly what you claimed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read it again'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if my local town council moves the stop signs to a worse place that doesn't mean global governance is messed up.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and then came the bad analogies'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was a rubbish analogy, i can't disagree with zade on that'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a better analogy would be someone from a different country pitching up and removing all of your stop signs without warning'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or deciding that the colour red was illegal'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and then the analogies that don't even make sense'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it's an apt analogy, if you look at certain bad decisions made localy, or by cerain countries and add it all up and call it global governace, thats just garbage. '
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's how you think it happens, then you don't understand how the EU works'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the UN'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'global governance? What global governance? The only thing we have is global opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'global governance by the rich for the rich to the rich'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much sums it up'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is currently paying them parasites $75bn a year for absolutely nothing'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the peers in that peer pressure are always going to be the ruling classes of the respective countries, whether they represent the people or not.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably the only solution to that is smaller countries/local government'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but to call it global government or even just governance, is an insult to the word'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, the complete opposite to what is currently happening'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well at global level, it's more like tyranny than government as there is no representation'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'global bodies are essentially forums where people say "behave by the agreed-upon rules or those who stick to it will ostracise you (or beat you up if we get too pissed)"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the larger the scope of those organisations, the bigger the tyranny it can enforce'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU-wide, UN-wide, it doesn't get any bigger than that'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, the point is, they can't do anything without world opinion behind it'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom can be consigned to history'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? '
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask Germans how they got sucked into fighting for Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a single country'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if what you say is true, there would have -never- ever been any dictators'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no distinction'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if another hitler appeared, the UN won't even do anything until enough countries are convinced that something ought to be done'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why WWII started -- dangerous topic -- Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'global bodies sit on their hands unless enough of their members decide on something'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you get enough of the constituent countries on the wrong side, what exactly can you do about it?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing. It isn't anywhere close to government, it's a bunch of members talking to each other'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi apparently believes that centralised government only consists of "officially declared" centralised bureacrats and politicians'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, there's no global plot against you'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just the same old'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with WW2 we were fortunate that enough of the world was 'against' germany.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a global plot against everyone, whether that global plot is just merely a global case of epic incompetence, or whether it was some deliberate evil contrivance is largely irrelevant because the outcome is the same.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we weren't exactly ready for WW2, so we had to stall.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I was.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, actually mostly everyone was ready for ww2'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody was, except hitler.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pre-UN or not, the only difference is that it got easier for a country to air its views, which makes it slightly easier to form coalitions against aggression.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like it happened over night'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of europe was bankrupt, so nobody could afford to arm for war, until it happened.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the only reason Hitler could do it, was because he removed democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As promised.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't think so.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and where do you think it is you -have' democracy?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia? oops, no'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between the time when the war to end all wars started and when the US entered it, we had very few soldiers who actually SAW any combat and much of our equipment was being tossed on the scrapheap (or was simply old and outdated)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china... umm no'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Hitler had the most powerful moustache in history. It only looked small. In truth it had cavernous troves of stolen gold inside.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usa? hmm, well you have the illusion of choice, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eu doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By "we", you mean the US?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as it stands now, it's up to each country, mostly, to solve its own problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except that it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's up to Germany to solve everyone else's problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have global bankers and the eu elite actively trying to bankrupt eu countries'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have US and the UN actively trying to trash the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have problems with your "democracy", it's up to you to fix it rather than blaming the global plot against you'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly how is that allowing each country to solve it's problems? a country being able to solve it's problems itself is an exception, not the rule'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well all of the millions of people in Greece i'm sure agree with you, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's all a plot by the NWO !!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you give up the power to fix things to someone else, well, that's you being dumb, and you can always take it back, along with the consequences'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Middle East was trashed long before even the League of Nations existed.  It's really a cosmic joke over there, in that two or more entire civilizations sprouted from the same general area and learned to hate each other like nothing else.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's about as retarded as it gets'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, they'll take a hit if they recover their own currency, but it was their choice to give it up in the first place... And they always have the power to recover it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more like two or more factions of the same civilisation, if you're talking about the mideast situation'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the problem with the middle east is that it has been occupied for (at least) a few hundred years (yes, it still is)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the greeks never voted to adopt the euro'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few thousand, you mean, and probably even longer than that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their government did'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the middle east has a lot in common with Poland.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and who you pick as your government is an internal affair'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the asme thing, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden did. We said no. Me happy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your government does stuff you don't want them to do, it's up to the people to solve that for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'repeating the same untruth won't make it true, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are largely an illusion of control/choice'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some countries stayed out of the euro, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sitting around whining that your government isn't good enough and is just bending to the will of global forces without heed to the people's wishes is what gets you that sort of government in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever you say, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately you'll be the sort of person they come for first'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, it's always smarter to go for the ones who would resist first... but I'm not a citizen of that sort of country.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least, it isn't that sort of country yet'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, what country are you in then, Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+n'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rock of Ages, duuuuude!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that africa's in a pretty crappy situation govt-wise, right?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but has the benefit of everyone knowing it'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi believes that the disgruntled populace may form a competent alternate government on a whim, without lots of cash'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and for the most part, they aren't improving very much'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'africa is a cesspool, just like haiti, dominican republic, a few other countries, notice a pattern here ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I never said it was easy'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi is a good little sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi, go preach in China'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny, doesn't sitting around waiting for yourself to be butchered count for for that sort of thing?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi, go preach in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, they're trying at least'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'libya, egypt, tunisia tried hard enough in the early stages. If they keep trying hard enough to change things, you'll see a big difference in a few decades'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Egypt may've reverted to a corrupt government again, under a different management'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, it took the US 11 years to ratify the US Constitution back in the 1700s, and the world was much larger back then...you didnt have to worry about weapon smugglers selling you arms for diamonds in a couple days, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's looking like it, zade'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'egypt never uncorrupted.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the fighting in syria is more than 2 sides'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps... overthrowing a previous government is only a first step. They need to keep working at it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and btw, a bill is going through the US government to hand all power of Internet Regulation to United Nations'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, like that is gonna happen.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'such efforts are going to fail if you're only removing the "important pieces".'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US will never give up control over the internet.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, it already is, riz'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as I said, that's an internal affair... how much power you want to give to international bodies is up to your government. And you can always recover it (at this time).'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Suuure, that is why the US is so up to date on our UN dues, because we want them to tell us what to do even more.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, shoot the president and maybe the vice president, but the cronies down towards the bottom of the list of succession are going to realize you're not really all interested in them, perhaps even depending on them still being there, and will continue to operate like they did before you started tearing up the place.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hres628/text'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, you forget, congress makes the laws, not the president.  I dont care what a couple of congressman want to do, unless you have a consensus to give the UN more power, it will never happen.....and there hasnt been a consensus in congress since the 1980s.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong, riz'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'check your presidential decrees'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'check what obama has stuffed through using them'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which can be overturned by a super majority of congress.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you think a super majority will happen?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it happened to clinton during his impeachment.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it also almost happened when Obama was elected.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A Miami police officer fatally shot a naked man while he was chewing on the face of another man Saturday afternoon on a downtown causeway off-ramp,  The guy apparently wanted a midafternoon snack officials said.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was he really a zombie, or were the cops just homophobes?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after all, I've never heard of a zombie stripping down before the meal when they caught someone'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps he didnt want to soil his clothes.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, I can only think of 2 zombie movies (outside of porn) where zombies get naked, and eating brains had nothing to do with them getting naked.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '(in case you were wondering, the movies are "My Boyfriend's Back" and some movie I saw on IFC about a newlywed couple)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'vatican whistleblower arrested - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/25/pope-butler-arrest-vatican-letters'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Happy 35th anniversary Star Wars!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the greatest movie of all time is only a few months older than I am. :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and thank god weesa no hearda of jar jar binks back then.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ever seen star wars in 5 seconds?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, we did.  They probably had the original idea in some other Henson production, much like how Yoda/Grover are done the same voice.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'feel sorry for the actor who played jar jar binks though.....his career died after that character.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the phantom menace was particularly brilliant. "Meesa Jar Jar Binks! Meesa your humble servant!" --> "I've got a baaaad feeling about this!"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Himsa bombast!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I personally liked jar jar binks....was a creative char to the seriousness of obi wan'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they should do a Jar-Jar parody of Mr. Boombastic'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2010 report from the United States Department of Agriculture found that most non 'organic' beef could have veterinary drugs like antibiotics, Ivermectin, an animal wormer linked to neurological damage in humans, and Flunixin, an anti-inflammatory that can cause kidney damage, stomach and colon ulcers, and blood in the stool of humans.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not suprising'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, kinda expected. This is the sort of thing conservations should be concerned about, not fecking co2'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An independent food testing company recently tested 55 samples of HFCS blends and found 1/3 of them to have levels of mercury considered 'safe' by the feds....since when is mercury in your diet safe at any level ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'same could be said about any food additive'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if 2/3 of the samples can keep it out of the food supply, than so can the others.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not. they use it in vaccines, too, then try and claim it will "help your baby's brain development"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'mercury?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Food safety experts refer to imported shrimp as the dirtiest of the Seafood's Dirty Dozen list, and it's not hard to see why when you consider the common contaminants Antibiotics, cleaning chemicals used in farmed shrimp pens, residues of toxic pesticides banned in the U.S., and pieces of insects. Less than 2 percent of all imported seafood is inspected.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think babies are even more vulnerable to its toxicity'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you know it's safe to eat cockroaches?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'unless they come from sewers'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines commonly contain thimerosal, which contains mercury'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it aint the roaches but whats on them'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and that pretty much any food you consume that contains ingredients you didn't add yourself has them?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'bugs are highly nutritious for the most part'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'right, but we can't keep them out of our food supply so how do you figure out which ones are safe and which ones aren't?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not all vaccines, btw, mmr, oral polio, yellow fever and tuberculosis don't'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll certainly be avoiding flu shots in future, though'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hard-to-treat, antibiotic-resistant infections are no joke. Superbug strains like MRSA are on the rise, infecting 185,000 people -and killing 17,000-people annually in the U.S. Thought to proliferate on factory farms where antibiotics are overused to boost animal growth'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think the preservatives are far worse'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not all of them.  Some are made from human hair.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a recent study buy the Univ of Iowa determined that 7% of the pork sold in the meat dept of supermarkets were infected with antiobiotic resistant MRSA'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make sure you cook your meats really well :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea i mightve undercooked some chicken the other night, kinda scary'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder how they determined that?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fine balance, undercooking doesn't wipe out the germs, overcooking kills off the good stuff'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'health care reform should have started with not giving antibiotics to healthy animals.  I think Norway is still using anti-biotics that are obsolete everywhere else.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, they can't have sampled ALL of the meat and it'd be totally preposterous to consider that nobody caught ANY of the contaminated food before it was sold.  It's equally preposterous that all the meat (clean and infected) would've been sold on-time, so there's probably some discard there as well.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A 2011 study published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found that half of the U.S. supermarket meat sampled contain staph bacteria, including potentially lethal MRSA. Turkey was the worst offender Nearly 80 percent of turkey products samples contain staph bacteria. Pork (42 percent) was next in line in terms of bacterial contamination, followed by chicken (41 percent), and beef (37 percent). '
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This is why I prefer to buy grass fed, corn finished meat from local farms that use mobile USDA butcher trucks that drive from farm to farm to butcher animals.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i essentially have to pay for all my healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it should be pointed out that even if taxes paid for your healthcare, you still would have to paid for. Taxes come from somewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay my taxes'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government spends them on useless shit'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine. I am just pointing out that "free" is misleading in the context of healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no free healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here, not anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and there can't be.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other for healthcare to be free, the providers must refuse pay.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say that when it comes to healthcare, i'm fully in favour of nationally provided free-to-consumer healthcare, and i'm all in favour of pay as you need private healtchare'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am all in favor of having someone take care of my stubbed toe without charging me. I don't think I'd trust major surgery to a free provider.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'like it or not payment tends to bring out the best in a worker. A worker that provides free service can say "well, what do you expect? After all it is free"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when most people talk about free healthcare, they're not talking about free providers'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is why I say that "free" is misleading.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, jesus died on Friday 3rd April 33AD'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 29 AD depends on how you view dating.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Should've had proper healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, it wouldn't do to have him dying on the first.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some place it as late as 41 AD'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, that would have been awesome :) ( Not that I am happy that anyone dies)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, that would've made for an epic episode of Punk'd'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, clearly these academics must enjoy their research'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who needs Subway when you can make your own subway sandwich for 75 cents or less.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But a sub won't fit in my toaster :('
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there has been some serious research on the subject. Unfortunately, the fruits of the research doesn't trickle down to the masses. Or rather, the masses are not interested in the research.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's not really that important'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Most researches will say that 33AD is a doubtful as the year Jesus died.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important for historians and people interested in religion and culture of the era'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it just would not be right if we always knew what day Easter would fall on.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but we do know'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the jews ate cotto salami, they wouldnt have been so anal at the time, and not killed jesus.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring equinox.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like the year 1390 on iran's calendar if what i heard's correct - saying what year jesus was born is crazy whatever way you look at it, cause of how hard it is to verify that time hasn't changed much since they started recording it'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"time" changed? you mean "calendar" change, surely?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, time does change since it is mostly based on the rotation of the Earth :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'time is always changing, Earth has continously been slowing down since the Moon was ripped out of it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when Jesus was alive, the Earth rotated just a bit faster.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not statistically significant in 2000 years'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seconds count :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'still changes the frame of reference, though.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think the moon came from earth?  it's amazing how it just stays there and doesn't go too far away or come too close, and we don't stop our orbits :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not clear where the moon came from.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'protect the Gay Dogs of America!  Gay Rottweilers need love also!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we're also getting closer to the sun (and have been getting farther away in the past)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if the calendar is correct and time is how we think of it by the calendar, then saying what year jesus was born is less confusing'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just having one place say it's year 1390 and another say it's 2012 is pretty disorderly'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the moon has been verifiably determined to be moving away from the Earth at a rate of about an inch and a half (or maybe a centimeter and a half, I forget which scale was being used) per year.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the point is that the birth/death of Jesus has as significant influence on our calender. So it makes it rather circular to claim that Jesus was born/died on a certain day, according to our calendar.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'how exactly do they measure that? :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'calendar*'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they bounce a laser off the mirror they installed up there for exactly that purpose (back during the Apollo program).'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a little like radar, in that they're measuring how long it takes the light to bounce back.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is exactly like radar :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I thought radar used something other than light?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'changing the frequency of the beam does not change the basic principle.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle beams a smile at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Not separate.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '1 inch would make a difference of .00000008 seconds.  That'd take quite a precise instrument'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'place don't use inches :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'd believe more that the building the laser is in sunk into the earth that much :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please*'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm using inches because that's what was stated in the claim '
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, inches or cms, he wasn't sure :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought it was horrific that they magled the metric system so that the US could remain using the English system.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mangled*'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there'd be very obvious evidence of cracking, misalignment and other structural deformities over the course of 40-50 years.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ignore anaristos, continue to use inches'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, I'm not saying I don't believe the claim, just that I'm curious as to how they decided that'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Anyways, you guys are making me lose money at poker :P'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the composition of the moon does not really reveal its origins.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the point of poker, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then the A.D and stuff, how would they go from agent provacateur 'Free barabbas' to where is our lord and saviour in such a short period of time, if he's not notable enough to not be crucified in those days, in time to inspire a calendar?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't go crucifying people who you're going to base the world's time systems on, it doesn't make sense to me'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all that stuff can mostly be attributed to Paul who championed the idea of Jesus' divinity as opposed to the Peter camp that wanted to leave Jesus as he was, a man.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the time systems are not based on the point of Jesus's death'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, they are based on his birth :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they aren't based on that either.  They're much older than that.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well the BC/AD labels are obviously linked to Jesus.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't say they weren't, but those don't define the time system.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They're based on the birth of Unix, duh'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're just there to make Jesus important.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was almost criminal to claim that the year 2000 was the beginning of the 21th Century :) That would have meant that Jesus was born in the year 0. But AD "A" in AD does not mean after, after all :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to push rules through the house to allow the cia to run propoganda ops against the american people in america'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you know they are already doing that?  And that they're also advertising themselves in video games?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially, but now they're codifying it to do it publicly'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why your health insurance is a racket:'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-medical-prices-20120526-g,0,3008905.graphic'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because USA = CA, right?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens everywhere, was a bit in the UK news about them taking the NHS to the cleaners for gluten-free products'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of those hospitals in the graphic are located in California, and given the source probably very close/in Los Angeles.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the LA times newspaper, shouldn't be surprising'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not, but we don't have a federal healthcare system so the rules are/can be different from state to state.  The crazy and fucked up liberal Californians can very well be doing something entirely different and far less ethical than what is being done in the midwest.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any insurance system will have fraud'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california might be the worst offenders, but it goes with the territory'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( what is a liberal? )
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and happens with different types of insurance too, i've experienced similar things with car insurance'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( If "liberal" means "socialist" then "free" healthcare is liberal, by definition )
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Starfleet and the Federation was created by liberals.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'live well and prosper ")'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so was the BattleStar thing'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Star Wars, they were pinkos in that galaxy far, far away.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, the Star Wars rebels were ET hippies all the way.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the evil empires in earth history were more or less conservative religious fanatics.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'more or less? "Liberal Empire" is an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not saying that all empires have been evil. Though that might very well have been the case.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'using the legends portal is even faster :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The FDA legally allows up to 60 percent of canned or frozen blackberries and raspberries to contain mold. Canned fruit and vegetable juices are allowed to contain up to 15 percent mold.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the FDA go house to house confiscating milk'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes armed'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In a recent test, over 60% of california grown fruit and veggies that use water from the colorado river for irrigation were found to have contamination of rocket fuel chemicals, and pesticides of various types.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All these chemicals we use are in everything now.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'let them test boobs.  Rocket fuel's supposedly in all the breastmilk.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you like ingesting chemicals, riz?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's terrible, i think the government (or the UN or somebody) should figure out a way how environmentally friendly practices can be promoted'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're safe, you know, the government said so, and they government wouldn't lie to you'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'make them cheap.  Right now, it's expensive to go green.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of that destruction happens cause it costs too much to not cause it, or they make more money by making it happen, i think'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they're too lazy and sometimes have to pay out of their own pockets to clean it up - which probably most businesses don't like if they don't have to'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mostly it's because buildings are just too damn old or built on bad ground.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'concrete is a great building material.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by itself, yes.  Using the methods they used when these buildings were put up, not so much.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Going to put a concrete dome for a cabin on my remote lake property.....in 200 years or longer it will still be there as long as someone doesnt drop a nuke on it.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'then you have the asbestos and other things in stuff you put on the concrete that are now outlawed.  Any work to go green means removing that, and by law nobody but the abatement people can be in the building.  No work means no pay.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause it's scary if peoples food is becoming toxic to 'save money', that sounds like a pretty ultimate tradeoff'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you would make the same decisions for the same reasons, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i might though :), i don't live very healthy lifestyle myself'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lots of things in all aspects of life are doable if you can kick the consequences far enough down the line.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo for private space travel....next stop the moon!'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not if there's any more fuss being raised over rocket fuel-tainted breastmilk and baby formula.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not taxable, they make it illegal'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be interesting to see what happens if private enterprise gets to the moon first and is not a US firm :) What excuse will the US use to claim the Moon as US territory? It is hard to imagine the US not claiming ownership of the universe.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one things that can be scary is considering things like these brazilian mangroves which had a very small oil spill nearby in 2001 or so, compared to the gulf of mexico and possibly some others - 10 years down the road, bbc news had an article (or one of othe media's) that said they weren't growing after all that time'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they had spent roughly 500 million dollars on cleanup attempts'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point is?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the later consequences on down the line, if that problem's not recoverable with effort being put into it, how many of the destructive practices of people are gonna be the same?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '40-50 years recovery or longer'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the ones that could have been done better or safer, but weren't because they were 'saving money''
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just when i think of things like that i think that somebody up high in the world should be making 'incentive' to being a clean-business'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In one of the major drug highways in the US, the FBI and arizona/nevada state police are setting up automatic digital tracking cameras to take pictures of EVERY vehicle that passes the cameras and the pictures will be sent to a database that hold onto the photos for 2 years so that police can log on to find known trafficers.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and proper planning too, making use of all the available technology and advancements to try to reduce long lasting environmental impact, regardless of financing'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what will happen is that the "crooks" will just use evasive technology. After all, anything that technology can create, technology can bypass.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, with computers and things that can definitely be the case, depending who builds them and what their intentions are'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think there's very many people in the world who would actively oppose people who want to make the world a better place by reducing it's destruction balancing what's used to do a job'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, any automated system can be spoofed.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how you interpret "make the world a better place"'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler believed he was making the world a better place'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'spoofing will cease to be effective when true AIs come into existence, until then humans will remain ruling :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, morality and people-problems will always be issues, but the ability to survive without toxic food and thing's like that makes good things possible'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the number of people who are poor and without work, and the difficulty in finding a job for instance, they're idle and the environment is getting dirtier every day, money's a reason why a industry can't be invented to tackle the environment's problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's probably hundreds of thousands of employers who could use a hand disposing of their waste in the best-known non-invasive way possible'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but money says that they can't afford it, and there's no incentive for that to change'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what's that sandbox in the Academy?'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I disagree, recycling can be quite lucrative....especially if you are a garbage company....There are many revenue streams from garbage.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know some garbage companies have been known to dispose of waste illegally to save operating expenses, while keeping up the appearance of cleanliness'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name them.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't remember, i just remember reading some news about it, or stories'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos picks a name out of the hat.
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so money's basically why the garbage companies would dump waste illegally'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's also the reason why workforce isn't tackling pollution problems'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that what is happening is that humans are proving to be not a viable evolutionary niche. Their propensity for self-destruction will remove them from the chain making room at the top for something better :>'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth leaps through the air and kicks a donkey in the head.
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would think that human "intelligence" would lead them to do things that would benefit the ecosystem. Other animals do so automatically even if they don't understand why they do it. It seems that because humans understand they have decided not to do. Suicide can be painful :)'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deer eat berries, poop the seeds, new berry bushes.....humans eat berries, poop on toilet, no new berry bushes. :('
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, over 400 kids have been made sick because they ate some of those new Tide detergent pods thinking they were candy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they wrapped in plastic, just like the dishwasher ones...'
T3/r7/2012-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyyone wanna debate ?'
T3/r7/2012-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no debate for you!'
T3/r7/2012-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, I can see why Kirk Douglas changed his name.....Issur Danielovitch Demsky'
T3/r7/2012-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You steal my donkey, prepare to die!'
T3/r7/2012-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, ok, I'll leave your gf alone!'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have thought a potential $15trillion money laundering operation would be newsworthy'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'noawadays? hardly...'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sarcasm, or justify?'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is your favorite game ever?'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'computer game'
T3/r7/2012-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'dead thread'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Doink has a giant smile on his face as he begins the rite of self-molestation.
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'grease the broom handle first.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Beauracracy is going to be the death of western civilization.  The lack of jobs in Europe because of it, and the lack of new infrastructure and the fixing of old infrastructure in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$118 billion to build a high speed train between Los Angeles and San Francisco?  Shoot the lawyers and politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'At that price, I expected you to say LA and Vancouver or something.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It should almost be enough to reach New York. GAO says $50 mil a mile.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apparently the idiots in california are too good for a reasonable cost.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's almost 7x, though. That's way beyond unreasonable. If they weren't using kickbacks and robbing people, rebuilding the infrastructure would be a great way to kickstart the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'gotta love the internet... learned more in 2 mins of reading than watching the news 3 times about the quebec protests'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, oil companies are estimating that the oil recoverable in Kansas because of new technology is around 20 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some of the companies drilling for oil in southern Kansas have been hitting oil 100% of the time with their drilling.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Looks like Kansas is going to have a budget surplus in the next few years, hope they are smart and put some of it away for the future.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If only we weren't using oil at the rate of about a swimming pool per second, those findings could perhaps be considered "plenty"'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh stop complaining about oil use, every new source of oil is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why we should be exploring more in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 years ago people didnt want to explore for oil in alaska because they thought it would take 10 years before it started producing....well hello, it has been 20 years...we could have been producing more alaskan oil for 10 years now...and probably another million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska has about 50 billion barrels of known oil that could be extracted if new pipelines would be allowed to be built from them to the trans alaska pipeline.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in northern alaska that is, exploration every where else has pretty much stopped in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want to explore alaska, go right ahead. Nobody outside the US cares :D'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'With some luck, you may find 3 months of oil there. Makes no real diff.'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is an egyptian living in the united states an african american?'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'is the movie DRIVE awesome?  I think so!'
T3/r7/2012-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'more awesome than Boogie Nights?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Drive is the new STOMP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10266256'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, finally confirmed, the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy will begin to collide in about 4 billion years.....gonna be one hell of a fireworks show!  Get out the lawn chairs!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'chance of collision even factoring in local gravitational attraction was less than .0001% or something crazy low like that iirc'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(as in even 1 single collision was that unlikely)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'However tidal forces are set to fuck up pretty much everything anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame the sun will be a huge red giant by the time the merger ends though.....destroying our view, and probably the earth by then. :('
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'pennies are useless and needlessly waste tax payer dollars'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'without pennies the dollar unit has no composite fractions though'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly important in the grand scheme of things'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just groups of nothing like nickels and dimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yes it does, there are still other fractions'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'theres no .001 dollar coin'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's dumb, they say in 1950 you could go to a restauraunt and have a beer and a full meal for a buck, is that what they call inflation?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of sorts'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yes, its inflating exponentially it seems'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is being encouraged in order to bring down the cost of government debt, and to decrease the value of peoples' asssets, thus allowing the megarich to garner and centralise resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yep, been going that way for a while'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, who wants to buy a MacMan?  That was the original name for the computer, until someone talked steve out of that horrendous name for a pc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the name was eventually changed to iMac just before it started shipping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan crash-crash-crash-crash-crash  (to the tune of Ms Packman)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like it's getting tense up in Chantillie'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I hear there's lace there'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a pretty face'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of marines, secret service, cops, and others'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan :: cash-cash-cash-cash-cash  (to the tune of Ms Packman) -- Macintoshes were not cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan :: splash-splash-splash-splash-splash  (to the tune of Ms Packman) -- while wearing a Macintosh raincoat'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, Donkeys are what allowed humans to spread around the world, and create globalization and trade.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'camels did it better'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oh no...here goes Rizgoth again. Break out the Kleenex!
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemer!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1982, the video game industry made $8 billion in quarters from arcade games.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'whos noticed the anti union commercials on tv?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Millionaire households in the United States decreased by 129,000 in 2011, according to a new study from the Boston Consulting Group. Globally, that figure grew by 175,000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i watch very little in the way of whore media these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'a simple no would've sufficed'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I have one of those new hi-tech fancified TVs, the ones that come with it's own typewriter and a wierd remote control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'ok......'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I've got a recording computer that lets me skip quickly through commercials and save recordings for later consumption'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to ban those'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54dNHUefbCs&ob=av2e'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'dvrs are probably one of the few things keeping people watching tv'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'and good luck to 'em, mine's legal because i work in a library and use it for the collection'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need something to skip comercials for a library?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, you dont need a damn dvr to skip commercials....been doing it since tape recorders.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'why would I put a recorded copy of a david attenborough show into the library and leave commercials in it'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'because thats what god wants'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You will always be able to record tv to watch later, otherwise tv will go away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'obviously'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't, it's a breech of copyright'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hope they manage to stop dvrs, cable TV is the worst thing that ever happened to people'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'we used to do it via tape recorders, then dvd recorders, this is the next step up'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's a educational library, we have a license to record and use televised material'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from every channel? that must've taken some sorting out'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a few years once magnetic drive technology has peaked, we will have crystal optical memory, something IBM has been working on since the early 1990s.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have non-educational libraries?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'this one is in a school so it's especially educational. we only have like 10 channels here'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we will have both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'information doesn't educate, so you could say a public library is non educational :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could use a 2 TB dvr or larger, dont really like using external drives to add storage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, 110 baud rules!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever you say, grandpa'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about 300 baud ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '300 baud is cutting edge tech!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet that's what Rip Van Winkle said...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of upgrading to 1200 baud next week !'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reading about early computer technology is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how early?  Like Charles Babbage or more recent?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'late 70s, 80s'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know the Romans had computing technology?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the arabs created it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there any significance of the programming language Algol meaning 'demons head' in arabic according to wiki?  'Al Ghul''
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'daemon is a background process however they came up with the term, a haunter i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOrithmic Language...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'al gore created it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'beyond a bunch of nerds thinking something AD&Dish sounded cool, probably not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'algol's older than D&D i think'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOL is divided into 3 parts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Julius Caesar, Act I, Scene I'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yes, ALGOL is rather old. It's parents are COBOL and FORTRAN.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOL and COBOL engendered PL/1 allegedly, but everyone thinks that FORTRAN played the milkman in that scene :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what happened to BASIC ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'BASIC was a language created to help students learn how to program. It was never intended for production software.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not true.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason basic died was that it was a bad language.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a primitive language. And yes, it is true. It was running in main frames before it started running in microprocessors. So it predates the "new" era.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gates is to be blamed for BASIC's continued existence. He put an implementation of it running on DOS 1.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's kinda like blaming Jobs for the AppleII or the Mac Classic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing to be blamed there, though :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gates consistently put shitty code out for people to buy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All computers in the 80s (when I learned to program) had basic on them. We can't blame gates for basic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it isn't that bad a language, just limited.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure you can, DOS 1 didn't come with basic. Someone had to put them there. As far as "all computers" I doubt that if you went to some installation run by an insurance company you would find BASIC.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most academic installations ran it, however.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, all computers I saw, which was everything from 8088 PCs to IBM Mainframes to CBM 64 or ABC 806/80.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are being generous calling an 8088 an computer :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We played games on it, did word processing and coded in basic and fortran.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a 'puter for me :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ick.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Errr, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but did it have the internet?  No.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if that's the definition of a computer, nobody had computers in the 80s outside of military and univ'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not a computer if you can look at some sort of porn on it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, can't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you don't count banks and insurance companies?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and service bureaus?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet they had/have IBM Mainframes, and I bet thtey had some little basic interpreter on them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the could have had Burroughs or CDCs, even NCRs, but yes, the smart bet is on IBM.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'NCR Spectra series was an IBM clone'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SDS series later bought by Xerox, was, at least, original.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '10 print Hello world'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '20 goto 10'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'run'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr smiles happily.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'did that suck or what :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, but it was easy to learn.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder what language is being used to teach beginning pramming today... I would probably go for python.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 's/pramming/programming/'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Depends on how young you're talking.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Scratch is the new Logo, pretty much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But for high school and beyond, Python would be an excellent choice, though I think a lot of folks are still stuck on Java.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess if you're gonna make sure someone becomes a good coder/never gets laid, you should start early, like 7-8 years old...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not that young :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ohhh... scratch looks really cool. I wish I was a kid again.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that if you ever want to be a good programmer, you have to start out with assembler. That way you can understand how machines work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav twitches nervously.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Assembler may not be the best way to start, but any good coder should do a stint with assembler, I agree on that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love assembly language, unlike other languages there is no limit to what one can do :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't  agree with that, in general. Like everything else one will tend to produce the same code to do the same things. But, I know that I will never win that argument :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the internet keeps growing like it is....we might need faster than light internet connections someday!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or less dramatically, more pipe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'bigger trucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have reached 109 terabits per second using 7 fiber cable'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NEC has done 101 terabits per second using 370 channels on 1 single fiber cable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'backbone traffic is increasing 50% a year though....and speeds are just barely outpacing traffic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'New applications become possible when speeds increase. That's why all new capacity is used as soon as it becomes available.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like my fios though, never going to give it up....35 megabits per second up and down....and 50 mbps this summer if I want to upgrade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'connections are way more expensive in the us than they ought to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are many reasons for that. Sparse population is one of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is also much larger than most other countries with high speed internet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lousy excuse, unless companies are required by law to wire every little village in the middle of nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I just ran the speedtest and got 19.07Mbps'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You'd expect internet access to be cheaper in dense urban areas than in rural areas, don't know if that's the case in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When verizon was rolling out fios in 7 major cities....they spent $40 billion, and have spent almost $90 billion so far wiring even more cities'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can pretty much get fios almost everywhere in the dallas fort worth metroplex which is nice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ATT uverse also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly certainly isn't nowhereville, boondocks county, but it costs 40ish just for a pretty basic connection'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay $89 a month for my tv/internet/phone bundle'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I pay 12 euro for a 100 mbit connection, I think that's a pretty normal price for europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, there's certainly something wrong with the us market'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, europe is much more densely populated than the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most small towns have only 1 broadband company....so they get screwed with 1 megabit per second connections for $40 a month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I live in Sweden, not very densely populated, but Internet access is still cheap-ish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there're two providers in my building, and I still get screwed like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or you have to live with satellite internet.....1.5 mbit for around $90 a month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I lived in a place like that, I'd start an ISP.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the reasons is that it seems that they both cabled the place. WHY?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually a building makes a deal with 1 company to provide access....so the people in the building get screwed in price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So they both can provide services?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the owner of the building probably gets a nice fat check each month based on subscribers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, back home the govt builds the road. The bus companies don't all build one set of roads each...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In most of Europe (I think), the incumbant is regulated to provide DSL connections at cost to other providers for resale. That's been driving prices down.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the fact that each company here has to wire homes separately is a huge market failure'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, start your own internet company, spend billions to wire your subscribers, and then pray those homes connect to your network, and see how much you spend. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you can charge $12 a month for 100 mbit speeds, and probably lose money, go out of business....and a company like verizon will buy up your wire :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's ironic that so many americans think that "free markets" mean that companies have freedom, when it really means fully competitive, with barriers to entry and exit as low as possible.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, market failure... pretty dumb to have two more or less identical sets of cabling'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better yet, get the local govt to sell bonds to build a govt owned fiber optic network which is then leased to companies at a small profit, and have a mandate to keep the subscriber cost just above wholesale cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like Tacoma Washington....that is what they did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's similar to most sane countries, in spirit'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'internet needs to become just another utility.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't even need to mandate anything. As long as you're leasing the network to all comers, offering them the same deal, the market will drive the prices down'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once you remove the point where the market fails, competition will do the rest'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's funny that government offices are 'secured' by private security companies - if they are able to monitor that the security companies aren't breaching their security, then how come they had to hire them in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen stickers on windows and stuff, that just seemed funny to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wolverines!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully it's not all of them though, otherwise the government really doesn't seem to be the main authority in the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say internet is a utility, been for at least the last 3-4 years (again, in europe).'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in most developed countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's intelligence games they play, or something, public trust in private enterprise, levelling the government to professional business in the nation, cause they're both secured by ADT or something'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the problem with eurasians discussing stuff like ISP/broadband infrastructure, is that the population density between the US and eurasia is extreme orders of magnitude different...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for any sort of mandated (or not) federal offerings, east jabumfuck with 3 farmers on 987 miles of road must be just as supported as NYC'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that makes a lot of sense if companies are forced to cable every little nowhereville'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but are they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what you're now discussing WOULD be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like hell that is going to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you start talking about what "they should do", then yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want to pay taxes to pay for 3 people at the end of a 20 miles road to have fiberoptic internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the city govts can do it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cities don't have the issues you're complaining about'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give em 4g cell broadband and be happy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is there a reason it has to be the feds?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the issue I'm complaining about is that people are paying 40ish for shitty connections. At least in philly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the places in the US with good pop density do have plenty of choices and good speeds available'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Verizon is starting to offer 3g/4g Cantenna wireless broadband to fixed residential users in some rural parts of the country now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your building may...philadelphia isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Most of the other students are paying about the same'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for 3gish stuff, philly has wimax providers'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You buy a $200 cantenna box for your house, and you can get 3g/4g wireless internet pretty much anywhere it is offered.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who provide the internet will charge people as much as they possibly can for it's use, depending if their priority is severing communications or monitoring them'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is the age of monitoring'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know how many have switched to wireless like that though... I don't know how the lag and speeds compare yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with greed held at an acceptible level to large user bases'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it does have caps though....the same as their data plans.....10 gigs for $90, kinda expensive...but if you have no other choice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'speeds won't compare to wired, unless the only wired options you have blow'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what... if it costs like that, what's the point...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'costs for clear are about in line with wired'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really solving the whole price issue then, is it...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if Clear manages to get out of bankruptcy :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If clear wants to survive though, they will need to offer a cantenna option to boost access through walls....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Today's USA - can't afford universal healthcare, can't afford cheap internet, can't afford good public transport...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have to wonder where all the money went to'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(rhetorical question)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'internet and public transport are the same issue...the high pop areas do have it fine'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fine, by whose standards? Certainly not developed country standards...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, $3 trillion of it went to fighting 2 wars for 10 years, and the associated private contractor costs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by any developed country with the same landscape'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the bus stops don't even have indicators of when the next bus is coming...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the subway is noisy and bumpy...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi complains about everything
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, getting canadian farmers off their land is a priority to the people JFK promised to protect small-farmers from, while in 1985 or so Sasktel laid fibre optic phone lines across the countryside, high speed internet is only recently available in municipal locations, so they wouldn't want to make people living independently comfortable with high speed internet, the priority of getting them off of their land is #1 - high speed internet will be offered after they are gone and whatever other purposes they use it for'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh no, it's bumpy'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is because people would break them in the US....it would be better to use an app via your cell phone to see when your bus is coming.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the airports suck'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they wouldn't have spent billions on it for not offering it would they?  apparently that's what they want people to think, that's it's not there at all'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt many would argue with that one'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have a septa app :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the airport at las vegas is awesome'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "the airports"...which of the 3,500 airports are you referring to? and what other country has them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't have a smartphone. The data planes are crazy-expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plans'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must still be thinking of airports!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it just finished building a new $2.3 billion terminal that sits in the middle of the airport, and the only way to get to it is via an underground subway'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, 3500 airports, and can't even get a few decent ones?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of decent ones'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have you looked at jfk airport?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one in minn-st paul is nice also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am partial to SEATAC :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'jfk is horrid'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'chicago ohaire isnt bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly's airport is pretty crappy too. Hardly anything to do there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Zeirath.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've only flown outta jfk once, was like 15 years ago, don't remember it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the job of the airport isn't for there to be something to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'few places to sit down and connect to the internet. Sometimes it's hard to find a place to even sit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've never had a problem using airport wifi in phl'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, airports were around before the internet and people managed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'flown out of it a dozen times'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, all the lounges in the airports I have been to had free wifi internet....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I only used the philly airport once. These days I fly out of jfk because nw was just too horrible. I'm not sure a us airline would be much better, from what I hear'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most us lounges don't let you in unless you're a frequent flyer though... For the casual traveller, it seems you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"sometimes it's hard to ..." and "only used once"...doesn't compute'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how long you could live in a foreign airport before they shipped you back to your own country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more talking about jfk'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was a movie about a person living in a new york airport'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, tom hanks terminal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is NY, I mean going to say heathrow in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and doing it there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'before "terrorism" you could stay at an airport for quite a while without anyone paying attention :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the security people tend to be pretty grumpy too'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can you board an international flight without a passport ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt you can buy a ticket'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not supposed to'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but whether it's physically possible, sure, if people can evade security'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I figured they didnt care until you actually got to the country...then they either let you in with your passport, or not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't had a bad security guard/tsa experience yet (knock wood)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't board a flight without a boarding pass and you can't get a boarding pass without a ticket, and I don't think they will sell you a ticket unless you can debark at the location.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they check your passport at the check in counter, then at security, then at the gate'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if you forget your passport, you're pretty much screwed unless you live near to the airport'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, so get a passport....use it to get to the foreign airport, and then 'lose' your passport while in the airport.....and see how long you can test their stay policy without leaving the airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I haven't had a bad tsa experience yet either, but they mostly seem pretty grumpy compared to, say, the germans. And certainly the japanese.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can't leave the airport :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'woman I work with's neighbor just got stuck in ecuador for a bit cuz his passport & stuff were stolen a day or two before coming back from a year studying there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there seems to be a fetish pornography category of people being strip searched at airports, hopefully that's not how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once you exit the plane you have to pass through a checkpoint where you must present your passport, so, you are stuck at step 1.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is the whole point....to stay at the airport as long as possible before they force you to leave by paying for your return ticket :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but first, a stint at an ICE holding cell :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people still buy one way tickets?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would be in heathrow, not a US airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt ICE has jurisdiction over there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ICE-equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I bought a one way ticket when I first came here to study. I wonder how many of the customs people were suspicious'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you have a 30-day visa and you buy a one-way ticket, they are going to ask you :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but in the US you might get away with it if you don't have a very deep tan :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my first visa had 4 years on it. My current one has 5. Some students from certain countries have to get a new one every year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must have a very light tan :>>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess you will just have to do it the normal way.....go over with your passport, stay whatever limit they have, and keep extending it if you can before they boot you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would make an interesting experience.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, they regularly give student visas for as long as we need, at my country's embassy'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what're you DOING while staying? I think it'd be a boring experience'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could start a living at the heathrow airport blog.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it all depends on your last name, too. I can't travel in the Southwest US without being flagged and checked every time. Even when I arrive at the home airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're pretty relaxed there, in contrast to the horror stories I hear of people trying to get visas from other countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that'll be the day when I start blogging :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'btw, the Terminal is one of my fav films.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'depends on the country. In 1997, if you had enough money, you could get a visa to the US very easily in Hong Kong :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the luggage carts to get money to buy a whopper is classic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose if you've a name like bin abveruzzavahd or something, they'd probably be more wary...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the best name to have is Smith (but not Smith and Wesson) :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would be surprised how many non terrorist names are on the no fly list and prevent people from flying anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is almost impossible to get off the damn list.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'idk... im matt smith and I get flagg every time at the airports I swear'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can they boat, or is civilian boat travel mostly just for luxury cruises now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a Spanish surname, you are tagged in the border states, but if you have an Anglic last name you are not tagged in the northern border states :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with all the crap people got to go through at airports now it's probably a better idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dunno, my name's pretty German, my dad doesn't seem to have issues flying internationally'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I once got searched at frankfurt because I forget to take my wallet out before going through the detector. sigh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if Germans didn't have any problems traveling in the US during WW II, why should they have problems now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and Born in East LA, great movie ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I got tired of the whole bullshit, so I got on the priority list, no more waits for TSA to get off its ass, I can zip through.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, as long as your naked :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I pity the woman who tries to smuggle a vibrator in situ :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish they extended those priority programs to non-americans. I guess that might be too much to hope for'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can get on the priority list if you are willing to let the FBI do a background check on you, etc before you go...then you are on the prio list for 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all non-americans are terrorists, by definition :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't mind, but last I checked, it was only for americans or something. Cant even remember what it was called'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, wonder if my dad did that when he was flying all over for northrup'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the we-are-better-than-you-are program?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well....we are :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no-furriners-"please" program!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Northrup was gone by the time TSA came into the picture.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if he worked for northrup, he would have already been on the list.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'northrup is a large govt contractor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know what Northrup is :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'northrup grumman is still around, couple of my aunts still work there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am a CA resident :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but not the old Northrup.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I always see you talking, Rizgoth... I'm just curious. Is Riz one word (What is Riz?) or is Rizgoth a one word?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer the northrum that built the moon lander.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'northrup even'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'TSA was around when he was flying all over installing flight simulators for northrup grumman'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rizgoth is the name of the city I buil for a different mud a long time ago, been using it for a char ever since.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's pronounced Rive Gauche :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'ohk .. That's cool. Thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, Abe. It seems that they've been quiet a long time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see Grumman all the time when I am home. They have a building near LAX, but I never think of Northrup anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the TSA personaly....I just want their training to improve....so that like the Israeli counterparts, they can look at someone and know they are a terrorist :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I know they've been busy selling flight sims to UK, italy, germany & israel cuz he's flown to all of them multiple times to set 'em up ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and all those countries trust US military hardware :) They have to know they are backdoored :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to the other places to get the hardware...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Here in Africa, Muslims is slaughtering the Christians.. The amusing part is, they both worship the same god just a different name to their god... That doesn't include Jesus.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avocado is yummy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Christians started the slaughter way back when, so this is just the payback of the payback of the payback...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the division he worked for just does the combat training/sim stuff, not the "real" hardware'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be awesome if a simulator actually started flying :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I agree dude! Avos is the bomb!! Excellent for breakfast.... Yummy. I'm craving for an Avo now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims and christians have been killing eachother for hundreds of years, it will only end once the participants finally realize how insane it is....it is like the hatfields and mccoys feud on crack.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'vengeance is always pleasant, never bitter. ... Utter insanity and sadistic nature, yet so creative and artistic, always original. It's own marvelous design. Driven with such passion ...it makes me turn on(G) hehehe.. But, the point remains, no matter the vengeance, it's still the same god they slaughtering each other over. I wonder what the other gods or goddess are saying about this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's funny that jesus never killed anybody in the gospel story, but people claim people who kill in jesus name are christians'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, depending on the exact natures of the crimes, that they are really biblical from the gospel'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'lol.. Rizgoth. They are all deluded.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you go through the entire bible then you can possibly find a biblical grounds to commit any crime you want'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'killing people is a very effective method of population control :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'so are plagues and diseases :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too random :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but those are easier to stop'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'idk... small pox did a good job'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but to chancy. Just charge some neighborhood with having a WMD and the bring in the troops. Don't forget to give them a Posse Comitatus waver :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'China is over populated... Gods! Best way to control that situation is by taking about 500 hundred cocroaches infected with radiation into the cities...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'http://www.oddee.com/item_90608.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks for making my point, zeirath ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem is being handled very cleverly by the government. They have sanctioned homosexuality. It seems that since females are being killed at birth in too great quantities there is a high excess of males in the population, which are looking to each other for comfort in the small hours of the night :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 1917-18 flu epidemic could have wiped out the human race....we were lucky.....next time we might not be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'was that the spanish flu?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't agree with that, Rizgoth. Somewhere on the planet there would have been sufficient immune ones  to keep the population going.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are thinking of spanish fly, Zeirath.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'The epidemic in London? It was huge back then. Billions died...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tell that to Ebola affected villages in Africa.....a virus that deadly could wipe everyone out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yet, there are people still living in Africa...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because the virus killed faster than the people could move to infect others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so as deadly as Ebola is, it hasn't managed to wipe out that continent.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the bubonic plague, as deadly as it was, didn't manage to wipe out Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even a bad version of Anthrax could wipe out billions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need billions to continue the human race.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what they found in autopsy of that insane man from miami who did that horrendous crime, they did mention milk cows in california being tested positively for mad-cow disease or chronic wasting (which can be passed onto humans)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'whats that stephen king book, where that plague is just killing like everyone'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather there be a zombie making virus....so I can have target practice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, your tv shows might be impaired for a while...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just one possibility that came to mind, that and maybe PCP (Angel Dust) which has been known to cause people to go absolutely ballistic too'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Stand'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I  would think that in order to kill the entire population of the world with a disease you would have to get them all basically in the same room :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about a month ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a man made super flu virus that wipes out 99% of the population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aha, but there is the 1%'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which will be breeding like rabbits as soon as it is safe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the rest live in las vegas and colorado springs....then the las vegas ones die in a nuclear blast.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rabies is another, rabies, PCP and chronic wasting disease, mental illness could be a little of it, but .. i don't know if people could go that ballistic with only mental illness or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'True. In africa is the most deadly disease but here in SA we have it controlled and vacenes. Accep for the illegal immigrant crossing the border. But, they don't get further than a mile before they got shot down or kidnapped and tortured to death by bandits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pcp did great stuff for rodney king ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kept him from feeling the pain :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was originally a pain killer i read, and then an antipsychotic'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and hella more effective than roids for a quick strength boost'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are illegal immigrants in SA? That's funny :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'charlize theron is the best looking south african I have ever seen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, she's ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's unpossible...she's white!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You run away in terror and horror!
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so she must be an illegal immigrant :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cackle gleefully.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps white people were there first, and the others came later! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She was born in SOWETO?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'we have a lot of illegal immigrants... I see the police constantly chasing after them here in my neighborhood... Or catching them when they least expect it. Also, they get killed and make it look like an accident. In most highly poverty communities, the people catch them, including thieves, put tires around them hit them a bit and stuff then set them on fire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds like what they do in Texas :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be Arizona, not Texas....in Texas we put them to work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, Kinma, out of curiousity? How civilized is SA?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what I find funny about TX, NM and AZ is that the pople who they claim to be illegal immigrants are illegal immigrants because they had their land stolen :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US Navy is moving lots of naval ships to the asian pacific area.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you scared me, Rizgoth. I thought you were going to say they were moving the ships to Arizona. I just couldn't see the Rio Grande that deep :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey now, we offered to be friends with the mexicans...but they didnt want to be friends....so we annexed the land. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that is how land is annexed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'SA is very civilised .. The crime ratting is just very high. It's clean, decent, and basically like every other country. Pretoria is the most decent and safe one. Cpt is most dangerous, and JHB is controlled by gangsters ... It just depends where you live in SA and in what neighborhood you are.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so out of the 3 capital cities only one is worth living in?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do gangsters control area's if they're not supported by the people who live in them?  i always found that incredible'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they are then they're just like a government yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will sell you cement shoes if you don't behave :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'just "local government :P "'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, just like Chicago :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, and instead of charging them all at once and working together to tear them down they live in states of collectivism fear?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to be fair, Chemosh. That's no worth than living in NY or LA :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'worse*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one thing that would prevent me from reproducing if i was them, their kids will be in the same condition.. perhaps more expendably as the population increases'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'go on to war and get rid of those kind of people from being the 'local god' and then there's more natural problems to focus on'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for the survivors'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'poor people reproduce more because that's the only entertainment available at a reasonable price :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still think it is kinda funny that the Republic of Texas claimed new mexico, but our santa fe expedition crashed and burned, and never even made it to santa fe! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, reasonable price my ass :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just not an upfront cost ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'in my own personal experience, yes.. Pretoria is one of the most safest locations. With the least crime ratting.... Just a sh?tty atmosphere across SA by races ... All the drama concerning Race it's all complicated.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't live in those places :)  i know about bullies though, i've wondered why people fear them for most of my life'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the basics of it, but they're not immortal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like this one story i read on latimes about a guy in colombia who manufactures manhole covers, and took it upon himself to track who was stealing them at great risk to his own life'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with bullies is that you have to make sure that when you swing the bat at them, you connect. If you miss, it's curtains :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but he says he doesn't fear, and i envied that about him'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'In my own opinion, we should just start a civil war and get it over with. ... The blacks here is very racist and yet they make us, whites, look guilty by their leaders, they attempted civil war but failed. We can easily reclaim SA .. The president knows this. He himself is a racist but scared. If they loss, all their work gone to nothingness.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think a country's #1 priority if it's government wants any taxes is to make sure that people can conduct their reasonably (democratically accepted) lawful lifestyles without fear of extortionists and organized killers operating in and through their communities and governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I was black in SA, I'd definitely hate white people. Apartheid is too close it time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in time*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not like there's not enough people unemployed who could be hired to make that kind of stuff happen while ' they're focusing on their enemies abroad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's my idea's on what a country should be, honest from the top and accepted at the bottom'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happens in a military draft, doesn't matter if you want to go to war or not, shoot or be shot x 10 million and counting'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with that, Ranrr, is that hating an abstraction leads to an unending feud. If you want to hate someone that mistreated you, that's one thing, but to hate someone because he/she belongs to the same "association" as the one that mistreated you can't lead to any good and it is not even justifiable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'would it require that many casualties to secure your own streets from the 'actual criminals' who make lawful citizens afraid to go for a walk?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whilte it is true that may whites were hateful in the old SA, you can't claim that they were all hateful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while* many*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just the ones in power'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which are no longer there :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You ever notice that most non european countries, or european descendent controlled countries rarely if ever do well once the european descendent lose control ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is a nicely put bigotted remark :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even if it is true though. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'There is a lack of jobs, it's almost epidemic here in SA. It's one of the main reasons immigrants are being killed. .. I do not know much of my own country because it doesn't phase me, they can nuke it for all I care... But just pointing out most disturbing facts. Perhaps if they consider bringin back the death penalty, crime ratting will go down fast and easily get everything under control. It's becoming like the "wild west"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they fail to do well because the Europeans no longer control them, they fail to do way because the Europeans, to get even for being ejected, do whatever they can to undermine them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do the Europeans trade with the former colonies as they would with other countries? No, they want a bargain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they trade with the US well }:>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the US pays the market price for oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US was never really a colony, it was a place where the crown dumped the undesirables :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're the poster child for doing well after deposing euro ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, that's aussieland'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no Australia was a prison colony. The US was like a leper colony :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US was where people who were pissed off at european govts went to to try it themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'look at the Mayflower roster, nothing but rejects.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'noone but africans or chinese were exiled/shipped/sent to the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the puritans left Europe as exiles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A large portion of the people that went to america did it to get religious freedom.. and land.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can call it something else if you like :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I call it what it was, unlike you'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, well , you call them that, I call them exiles :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of those early settlers PAID for their travel to get to the US, they were not exiled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone left my place...that's right, I kicked you out, you losers!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they got out of Europe because their views sucked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about revisionist history'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not so much to get away from govt, more church.. although that might be the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got plenty of european immigrants in the mid 1800's - early 1900's with advertisements of 'cheap land', even though the people who came had to develop it themselves, then over the course of the next century nearly all of them lost what they had'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I must agree that their religious freedom shown when they started acquiring slaves :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'shone*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US wasn't the only place that had slaves, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they hardly acquired them on their own...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nor were they the first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the slaves came from europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'africans sold africans into slavery....it was always about the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'slavery always is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Ranrr. But Spain, for instance, didn't make an effort to maintain slavery. But the end of the 16th century most slaves in the Spanish colonies were free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's very few landowners in america and canada now compared to what it used to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hordes of white people didnt go to africa and kidnap people, they didnt HAVE to, many slaved were sold to the traffickers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all got rounded up and moved into cities paying taxes for a living and buying everything at a store, looking for a job to serve somebody else if they're fortunate enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good justification, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are more landowners in the US now than there were early on'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that because blacks sold blacks, whites were forced to buy them :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not saying it was right, just saying if you are going to blame someone, blame everyone, because it is everyones fault.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the whites were just fortunate enough to be able to buy them ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I blame the slave traffickers, their skin color notwithstanding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone is to blame, except the slaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims had slaves, romans had em, even american indians had em, pretty sure chinese had em, egyptians, etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Vikings were slave traders.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't argue that if whites refused to buy slaves, that slavery from Africa would still have flourished :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slavery isn't natural - that's what cain tried to show to god'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any country which didn't bother to have strict laws against it had it in some form'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many countries WITH strict laws against it still had it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the price would have dropped far enough that it certainly would not have been flourishing'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people gonna hate'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but far fewer incidents... You still hear of people being arrested for slavery'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is still slavery in haiti today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that is all true, Ranrr. But what  makes slavery in the US unique is that there was never integration of slaves into society. Rome, for instance, allowed slaves to become freemen and so did the Vikings. I have already mentioned Spain. So in that regard, the US not only kept slaves longer, but they made sure that even after they were forced to give them up they remained disenfranchised.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rich haitians with slaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"allowed them to become freemen"...the US didn't do that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and up til earlier this century, some us states were still jailing people on trumped up charges and selling their labour.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'till'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guess I'm fuzzy on the definition of freemen'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, actually it is tough to define that :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, us slavery (pre civil war) was worse than, say, serfdom, which used to be widely practiced'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I gues you could say that they didn't have an obvious owner?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or any owner...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so free men'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that would work. Since slave owner actually could produce title for the slave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"I bought you from Winky, the one-armed man back in aught-8"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and here is the paper to prove it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some Roman slaves were treated so well that they refused to accept their freedom when given. Hard to imagine, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Ok.. Our fathrs was cruel, heartless towards others. It was war, we fought for land and dominance.. In war, there is no compassion for another, no such thing as "love" or peace ..or happiness for that matter, besides, happiness is simply a state of mind... It can be justified by their approval of governments. They brought it upon themselves, their actions made a chain reaction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder to what extent the emancipation proclamation was a political calculation not only to gain domestic support, but international support as well...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not hard to imagine...the same thing happened in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and lots of slaved ended up in the Roman circus as gladiators.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you make war sound mindless, i guess that's cause people take orders and are ordered not to think on both sides'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'debate and a lot of slaves in the US ended up in the army :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am Spartacus!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish you would put your loincloth back on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine how strong an army would be if it had it's entire half of a conflict doing the thinking towards the goal that they all know'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'few mines = dumber wars'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'minds*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a lot of everyone ended up in the army, but yeah...it's not a bad place for them to be given their stake in the war'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like those movies with maybe mel gibson in them, they're hiding in the bush doing fighting from the shadows, while the others line up on a field and shoot eachother'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the ones who thought for themselves had a higher chance of survival than the ones on the field'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the patriot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a lot of slaves joined the Roman legions, because it was the best way to become free, and then wealthy themselves since each member of the legion got a share of the loot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china used to be strong when it had higher social mobility than any other country. It lost its strength when europe became freer. Now that social mobility is slowing in the us, I wonder if it will be a good predictor of things to come...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, of poor people join the roman legions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of that is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'army's guaranteed work, vs being an unemployed slave, so yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it would have been fine had they had an integrated army. Being given the privilege of dying for your country while denying you the fruits of paid with your life...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, enough people have volunteered to become slaves over the years, for various reasons'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'credit card debt, home mortgages, etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, but there is nothing wrong with that,Abe. It's when you don't volunteer, that the problems starts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just indentured servitude...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who has to work for wages is indentured :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only way that that is not true is if one can make enough to never cover everything one needs and may want.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'indentured servants don't get to choose who they work for, what they do...people who work for a living wage do'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to always cover, rather'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I claim that the payers of wages are all interchangeable :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having to work != indentured service'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i think that's a matter of opinion. In fact, one has to assume that the labor force actually has free will. Not likely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I claim that the queen is a 30 year old man'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just cuz you claim it doesn't mean shit :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a very depraved 30-yo man, look at what it has done for his looks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must be using meth'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's ok, if you believe in Santa Claus, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course I do: (K) (Glow) (Hum) A Christmas Gift Card (2011) (1)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he handed that to me himself'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have 3 from 2008, 2 from 2009, and 6 from 2011 :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who is gonna see Prometheus !!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '2 from 08, 2 from 09, 3 from 10 & 2 from 11 :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '2010 must have been a bad year for me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or a good one...most of the better cards don't need to be saved'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, john nash indeed has a beautiful mind'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are into that kind of thing :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You havent heard of john nash jr?  the mathmatical and economics genius who is also a paranoid schizophrenic ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he won the nobel prize in economics in 1994......'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And to this day, he says he still sees people who are not really there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I like galois' story better!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next they'll be saying that printing money and giving it to banks is a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, wait, they did that already'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Printing money and giving it to me is a better idea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if a bank you're bailing out would have collapsed without your intervention, you ought to own it entirely...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let it collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then remove fractional reserve banking so that it can't collapse in the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too disruptive'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let it collapse with tigernuts money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, riz, i don't have any'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take it over and sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'physically impossible to sort out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't why they're trying'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think that's what sweden did once'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is all an illusion anyways....just write off the bad debts, and move on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't seem to understand what "physically impossible" means...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nationalise the debts, privatise the profits'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't seem to understand what "sort out" means'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't like government bailing out private businesses much, they could just start new businesses couldn't they?  check this out -> http://www.leaderpost.com/business/plant+close+despite+bailout/6718779/story.html  The Detroit Three's automotive footprint in Canada took a major hit Friday as General Motors confirmed plans to shut down a three-shift assembly line in Oshawa - a move expected to wipe out 2,000 wellpaying assembly jobs and put even more pressure on the CAW to cut labour costs as it heads into bargaining talks in the fall.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so here they bail out General Motors to prevent job loss and stimulate the economy monopoly stuff, and then they fire the tax payers who's job was saved'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government paid $20bn for GM to move it's plants to China/Europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems idiotic to me, why not just start a new car manufacturing company'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good value for money'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know all about it, just little comparisons and tidbits like those :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high starting costs make it easier to save a preexisting company'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"In its defense, Facebook took a press-freedom approach, saying it did not need consent because sponsored stories were actually news, because all Facebook users were public figures to their friends." haha'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise facebook is an nsa front....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(from the NYT)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nsa spokesman said that the intelligence agency has to do almost no work these days thanks to google and facebook'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the intelligence data is collected for them by the people themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how interesting, you dont have to be a citizen to vote in the US anymore.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the State of Florida found 180,000 people registered to vote who were not citizens of the US...and the feds warned Florida to stop checking for citizenship.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds are complicit in it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every american should be suspicious of the feds, they're trying to render states powerless'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a significant proportion of those furnished proof of citizenship, I heard'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and others probably thought it was a joke and ignored it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apathy and ridicule work in the feds favour'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder what will happen when a whole bunch of americans get turned away at the polls because they "aren't american"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the powers that be are spitting chunks in anger at Ron Paul supporters upsetting their scheme'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe they should just skip that part and deregister anyone who isn't worth 10m'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America would be best served by the states declaring independance'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with scotland, wales, and cornish gamehen.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to be in tampa at the conference this year :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt they'll try and ban some states from sending delegates'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the conference of nuke cuba ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, mitt's networth is $250 million, go mitt!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's owned and paid for by goldman sachs and jp morgan'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jp morgan is my dad.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're the son of hitler!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put all your money in the bank of rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'your mom is my dad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people calling for growth make me laugh'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vehicle windows should block UV radiation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it's a good idea to sterilize car drivers. That will ease  road loads the next generation...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ban mothers driving kids to school, will sort out a lot of the traffic'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'YOUR RETARDED'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it just "littering" if you drop a bunch of bent nails in a parking lot? does that change if you own a tire store?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nah, if you own the tire store then it is call  laissez faire'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'it's so strange ... I did a little experimenting with a couple of things and one of them was steel. Did you know steel is attracted more to cold than warmth? But puberty, out of all the steel, warms up the quickest. I wonder why, but it's interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'There is also something that doesn't make much sense accept for one explanation I got. Let's say you hold cold steel inside your hand your palm becomes warm and the steel still remains cold. Perhaps it's the energy I'm not quite sure but gonna do more experiments. Maybe there is something really cool you can discover from it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the temperature difference isn't that great, 65 degree steel vs 90-95 degree hand'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'try it with something like copper, which is much more thermally conductive, like on the order of 5 times roughly'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'something like copper you could almost get to the same temperature as your hand, or, the same temperature as your hand becomes from touching cool metal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'haven't looked through all of this, but this looks like a nice breakdown of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermodynamics-t_36.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, the most expensive health care in the world, the US healthcare system is having supply problems of over 200 different drugs, and has been having supply problems for years now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2006 there were 56 or so drug shortages, in 2011 it jumped to around 250 drug shortages, and it is expected to be around 300 this year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't know why if they have a health care program, they can't train the people who provide the drugs to the doctors (along with the doctors) themselves, as an option to people - if they meet the requirements, then proceeds from sale can be invested back into the program and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wondered about that when i was reading some articles is what i meant*, that and doctors from foreign nations in excess made me wonder why something like taht isn't done'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't worry! The US is still number 1!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, it seems alot of things could be done differently, maybe they tried and it failed and that's why it's done how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What on earth are you talking about ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are fewer companies making drugs today than 5 years ago because of consolidation, which means less drugs get made, and less drugs to sell to hospitals and pharmacies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like around new years they said they import the drugs used for lethal injections in the USA from europe, while they train chemists in america and biochemists, why wouldn't they save some money by hiring their own citizens to produce it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do have non-label drug's available, it's possible the government produces those but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until factories are built to make more drugs, expect shortages to continue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like this morphine distributor in quebec being petitioned by america/lawsuit which cuts down the supplies of pain killers to canadian hospitals, maybe they could have handled that as the government and not barted it to america, that would be something a private supplier would do, which wouldn't have to be hindered from operation by having a government competitor'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess that's possibly why it's not done how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is done*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies tend to stop making drugs once they go generic also, leaving generic companies to make up the diference.  And there are fewer generic drug makers today than 5 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they said = bbc news article'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand that reason i guess, just with all the scandal surrounding health, drug and consumable products if they wanted to reduce the amount of money spent on people who monitor them while still retaining safety, they could produce them themselves and train their scientists to do it properly'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still make money from sales, maybe not so much at home as they could abroad, depending how high the standards are it might attract a big market'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i think of austerity measures they enforce i think of solutions they don't try which don't hinder performance'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you find it odd that most calcium supplement pills are imported from south africa?  i find it odd because of how low of a quality of life and high rate of poverty, illness and starvation there is over there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of dairy cows in canada and america.. you'd maybe expect they could produce something like that where they can verify how it's produced'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'calcium suplements have nothing to do with cows.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of drug shortages, I wonder what proportion of pharmaceuticals are manufactured in the us, and how it has changed over time'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada.. they allow  a made in canada sticker to be applied to a product that's actually manufactured in china'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social engineering to the next level is what the looks like to me, maybe the nothing of them is produced here'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://timecube.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all reasonably quiet on the Bilderberg front'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'normal is having no personality, like disney's lemmings running of of a cliff and swimming out to sea.. even to be rebellious is behaviour copied from the system, which can make the most depraved actions socially acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of that?  is it about what it is, or is there things like the bbc article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18270547 under the absence of communism'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How cheap of the olympics to hand out fake gold medals to winners.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2nd place gets the silver medal...100% silver, bronze is 100% bronze, but the gold winner is gold plated silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to be able to claim I saw a UFO....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'go ahead, claim it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs at Rizgoth mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Interesting....most cities/towns in Wyoming have really low crime rates.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because no one lives there :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can fit the entire population of WY in some small town, USA.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A futuristic engine that uses dark energy to propel a spaceship faster than light is theoretically possible, and could revolutionise space travel, U.S. scientists say.  Good luck with current budgets tending to spend on blowing people up instead of science though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'oh, I found a great quote from Neil Tyson today - we (the US) spent more $$ on the bank bailouts, than we've ever spent in the past 50 years combined on NASA'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It will be the private sector that gets us out of LEO, though. They're the only ones who aren't heavily restricted by international treaties.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They tried to extend the restrictions from the Outer Space Treaty to private citizens, but the Moon Treaty wasn't ratified by pretty much anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not if they can't figure out the science behind protection.  We cannot yet leave LEO because cosmic radiation would kill us in the amount of time it'd take to travel to the next nearest planet and do whatever was necessary to set up a habitable base.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I dunno, it's kinda a chicken and the egg thing.  If NASA did at least some feasibility missions, it might better establish whether there's enough to motivate profit.  Personally, I think we may as well offer land grants on the moon/mars'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's what finally motivated exploration of the "New World" 400 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's no way to reduce the radiation risk to zero. But you can get it to acceptable levels with passive shielding. Just putting the water tanks around the crew compartment would do a lot. Having a "safe room" for flares or other events would go a long way, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'phooey, just 1 medium sized asteroid would pay for the whole effort 100x over.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't last, though, and that's just a ton more weight you'd need to get into LEO.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Governments aren't allowed to claim or even offer land on other bodies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You don't take the water from Earth... mine it from the Moon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everything you need to build spaceships and stations in space, is located IN space....you just need to build the machinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And if you recycle the water, a fair bit of it would last the whole trip. The fuel would be consumed, and that'd offer diminished protection if used as shielding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we're starting to get the sci-fi materials now, like transparent steel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Unless china drowns in its own pollution, it will most likely be the first to take advantage of the helium3 on the moon for power.....the US govt is too polluted in the brain to get anything done anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The Russians really want that stuff, though. I wouldn't be surprised if they use their mineral money to go get some.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, russia has enough problems just keeping the power on now, let alone spending money to go the moon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Is it a lack of money, or skimming off the top, that's got them in bad shape?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I haven't read up much about them lately. Last I heard they were bickering with Ukraine about delivering gas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lack of money....they spend all their resource revenue on maintaining right now, since capitalism is dying in russia again.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt help that the population of Russia is dropping faster than every other nation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the brain drain of the last 30 years is hurting them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I miss the Soviet Union. A bi-polar world was a lot better than the current mess.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biggest problem with Russia though is probably Putin....he is an old style soviet commie in control of the whole country, apparently keeps "winning" the elections....the guy has been elected 3 or 4 times in a row when there was a term limit of 2 terms. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The guy is almost as bad as chavez in Venezuela.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No... he stepped down for a term, while Medvedev was president, then went back. It's just a 2 consecutive term limit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And they gave a lot of the state enterprises to private citizens who basically ran them before the collapse, so the management didn't improve much there, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and then the govt nationalized those industries again after they became profitable. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and put the owners in prison.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I figured when gorby was running the show, Russia would actually become a super power again, spending money on infrastructure, etc, and grow like China has been...but it never happened....they are basically a resource rich cuba now without the top knotch medical system.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet russia continues to stagnate for the near future...they depend on Europe to buy russian natgas, and in a few years when european shale gas become available, that market will be gone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'One of the first thing that the liberated Afghan government did was approve the pipeline to bring gas out of the Caspian sea and into Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's going to cut into Russia's money a little bit, once it's operational.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lots of new sources of natgas supplies are coming online, I am all for it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm not against it. I disapprove of the way they handle the farmers, sometimes, when they come in for shale gas and lease off their land, but that's more a business decision than a fundamental part of gas explortation or exploitation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It wouldnt surprise me if there were huge fields of oil and gas in central africa, since during the pangea years africa was covered with swamps and jungles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'China has been quitely grabbing the rights to a lot of those resources, though. But there is quite a lot of it. And even more offshore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's a big part of the reason the US is 'pivoting' back towards the Pacific... the offshore reserves out there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'China's trying to extend their claims, and butting heads with a bunch of other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US wouldnt have to worry about oil if we opened up our coasts to exploration, opened up the arctic off Alaska, and opened up the rest of Alaska to exploration.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But NIMBY is in full effect in our waters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska by itself could add 1-2 million barrels a day to US production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, except for about 6000 people...no one lives near the places where oil and gas would be extracted in Alaska. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those 6000 people are all for oil production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, but the caribou and stuff. We gotta protect our environment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Don't Alaskans get a paycheck every year or something? Or is that a myth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, do some research on the caribou of Alaska...ever since the pipeline was built, and the north slope built up for oil production, the caribou herd has increased in size. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before oil production, the caribou herd was slowly dying out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm all for opening up more sources, but those are the arguments that are usually presented. I like my car, I like electricity, and I don't like having to pay cash we don't have to tyrants we don't like.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Alaskans get a yearly check based on oil revenues for the previous 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the price of gas would get to $5 a gallon already, perhaps we could get some of that offshore drilling going again. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: '$5 gas, even letting it hit European price points, wouldn't be bad if we had any sort of decent public transportation for people to use.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt the price of gas will reach $5 a gallon in the US anytime soon though.....oil consumption in the US is dropping 4-6% each year, and domestic production has increased quite a bit to the point where the US produces 62% of its oil use now, compared to 40% just 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you intending on shipping freight on subways and busses, Oath?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'What's causing that drop in consumption? I thought estimates were for it to continue to increase?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It'd be nice if the trains and the lines were from anywhere near this century, though, Hans.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those new oil finds in South Dakota, Kansas, Wyoming, and Montana are going to keep increasing production....it wouldnt surprise me if Canada is the only exporter of oil to the US in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the drop in consumption is from uncertainty about the economy and one's ability to remain in it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the drop in consumption is because the avg mpg of vehicles in the US has increased from 20 mpg 10 years ago, to 26 mpg today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well if the drop is from consumer demand, public transport could offset the estimated increases even more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cash for clunkers program removed millions of low mpg cars from the road.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by 2026, the avg mpg for vehicles in the US is supposed to be around 56 mpg, but I doubt it....I can see 35 mpg or so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my 'rents used cash for clunkers to trade my dad's utility van to get my mom a new caravan...then they traded her old caravan in on another utility van...net change, he still has a utility van and she has a newer caravan...no significant net mpg change ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When consumption of oil in the US goes down, we import less oil, and then domestic oil production gains a larger share of the pie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil companies pay less for domestic oil than they do for imported oil which is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example, oil produced in Canada and South Dakota is priced $15 less than the current market price for oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Is that price difference the lack of a 'pirate tax' in transporting it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why canada and republicans want that super pipeline built from canada to Texas.....so the price of that oil goes to par with world market price...and guess who pays more for gasoline?  US consumers. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Why would the pipeline raise prices?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because then it would allow more oil to reach the gulf coast refineries, and can be exported overseas as oil products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now that oil is stored and used to make gasoline and products in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're already sitting on a supply glut.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not that we don't have the oil, we just aren't refining it as strongly as we are capable of.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, which is why you want a direct pipeline to gulf coast refineries, so you can export that glut overseas to people who will pay more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will mean higher gasoline prices for US consumers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That might be a good thing, though. Americans could do with a bit of walking or biking for shorter trips.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe the Atlantic NE no longer has a regional refinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the price of gasoline and diesel will probably rise about 20% once the glut is removed, maybe even more...'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another thing though....that glut might not even go away.....because canadian and north dakota supply is doubling in 3 years....even if the pipeline is built...it will be at capacity based on current production. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I know there's a refinery in Philly that does a fair bit of work. Not sure if that's the only one or the biggest one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But they make diesel there, not sure if they do gasoline as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought that one closed recently?  Maybe it was on the other side, closer to Pittsburgh.  I do know they mentioned it was the last one in the area, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 30% of the refineries are located on the gulf coast, and they are currently running at 82% capacity from a lack of oil pipelines, but Texas oil production is increasing, so that will help the refineries get closer to 98%'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think it's still up, but they're planning to close it soon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if and when that new canada to gulf coast pipeline is built, we will need to build another refinery or two to handle the new production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not like they don't have the money to bring a new one online... they say that's what their bankrolls are for, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I checked into it... 2 of 3 Philly refinerys are idled at the moment, and they seem unlikely to reopen. There aren't any articles more recent than April about the Sunoco one, supposedly Carlisle was interested in taking it over.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But I think they said before that it would be June that they'd close it if no one bought it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're doing it because of overproduction... they want to increase their profits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'i found weapons of mass destruction'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dark matter is a wmd'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'This girl i met is a wmd'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the universe is expanding quickly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Well replace universe with...'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets build a dark energy engine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Damn politics are about to not get me laid so i guess Bush is right tonight.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Bush was porking Condie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Industrial use of silver is expected to increase by 37% by 2015, further reducing the existing stockpiles of silver.  Right now the world uses more silver each year than it produces.  The stockpile was 5x higher just 5 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'a button on your lip.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we run out of silver, we'll find something else to use. We always have. Or we will face an apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name another metal that has the properties that silver does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will need to mine more silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just raid dentists' offices :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of silver will start going up quite a bit in a few years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the govt held surplus is exhausted.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'People were worried about silver because it was used in photography. Then came digital cameras. Whatever silver is used for now, if we run out of it, we'll find some way around it. Don't worry about it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, photography wasnt a problem because the silver was able to be recycled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, there you have the solution, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Recycle.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think supply and price really have much to do with one another, making things financially inaccessible is just like making things off limits by law, except preserving the illusion of economics in the process - just in general from what i observed'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like back to the price of a cell phone, a camera, film, professional development, a video camera and a laptop.. and maybe even a GPS device'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apart that's a purchase over 1,500 dollars, but all together is maybe 400 dollars now'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deb unfortunately, except in photography, silver is quite hard to recycle in industrial uses.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most industrial uses, actually use up the silver, because so little of it is used per application.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every cell phone, ipod, computer, or electronic of any type uses a tiny bit of silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Use up? So they convert it into some other substance? Cool. I thought only the sun could do that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the price of gold actually went down with the value of the canadian dollar when they opened up a new gold mine in northern labrador or nunavut'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's some more supply down goes the value of the supplier's dollar'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Next time I am at an electronics factory, I'll ask to see their fusion reactor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't get film's from non-digital camera's developed in canada any longer, because it's a polluting process to provide film for camera's - is that really the reason why or is it because digital camera's record the location where every photo was taken?  they really don't seem to care much about the environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only legitimate use i heard so far of this invasion of 'reasonable expectation of privacy' pretending to be environmentally friendly is the tracking down of a anonymous hacker who took a picture of his girlfriends cleavage in australia to texas or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they need a search warrant for every picture they wish to source?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evidence gotten without a warrant is usually not held up in court, i heard of several people getting off of charges cause of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might use it for good things though, there's also the side effect of being used for whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and real camera's didn't offer them that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'adobe flash player (formerly macromedia) also had enabled by default to allow any webserver at all to remotely access a client's web camera if the interface wasn't manually disabled or inaccessible to the web browser'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mentioned that to yahoo chat around 2010, i went to their global settings website and .. it was on by default'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about surveillance and breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have violated a hundred million people's reasonable expectation of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Breakin' da law, breakin' da law, dun dan dan breakin' da law, breakin' da law'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they changed it subsequently'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's off by default'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what all they could use the location from every photo taken since the release of digital camera's, all kinds of things i guess - i did read that in 2005 - 2008 or so they released a topographical map of the face of the earth minus maybe 5 degrees in the north and south poles to the general public, complete with surface textures colelcted through international corporation and government agency satellite mapping'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if digital camera's come with compasses in them and they can get the heading, somehow that gets transferred to a supercomputer which adds it to the 'maybe to 30 metre or 10 metre accuracy' topographical template'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they can get a 3 dimensional computer map of the entire earth and all updatable structures on them as new photographs are recorded'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't read of that being what they add GPS without peoples awareness to all digital cameras or not though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'isn't that called google earth'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like it, but theirs is complete, downloadable from nasa or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the public version, i imagine the private version could be used for thingsl ike i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'finding ex girlfriends to harass?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they actually charge an extra 150-300 dollars for a GPS-enabled camera, but maybe the extra money is for the ability to shut GPS tracking off.. and to conveniently record the coordinates out in the open on pictures'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the functionality's already there, adding a printf to the camera's program probably isn't worth 150 dollars times 10 million or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on CTV news they asked 3 people (or western news) to take a picture of whatever they want, i think the mythbusters did one, but there was also a woman took a picture of a cup of coffee on her table, they tracked the location of each of the photographs and then reported that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they didn't say exactly how, but it's obviously the camera's unless the topographical map did an x-ray of the earth too'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they can't possibly pattern match the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i stay out of digital photographs for the most part now, i never was afraid of ordinary camera's unless it was for some homosexual hamlet play for grade 10 english or something, then i just decided i'd rather fail the class than pretend to be somebody i'm not on a television screen in front of my class'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did pretty good at failing english ever since then'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got my 2 missing grade 12 credits to prove it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody else seems concerned with whether or not every picture they take can lead whoever views it right to where it was taken'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's funny, either they trust eachother and all the crime on earth is of their own devising or else they think i'm full of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody could hunt down 'political enemies' from 20 years ago with it if they want among other things, imagine the files they got instore for the next 1929 succession of leaders'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lets see, the $2 billion baybridge in san francisco was 80% foreign built, the steel came from china because the state said american workers are unable to build such things anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a specially built factory was built in china to build the parts, and the cost overruns have reached $300 million so far.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good to know our tax dollars are being well spent to provide chinese jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's swell to know they're being used to provide jobs anywhere BUT here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the role of countries is kind of messed up, some send raw-goods to others to turn them into something else and use them there, then send them back to where the materials came from and be purchased by a largely unemployed population'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'this local plastic producing plant is using a loan or something from the gov here to shut down in a few months'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '....because they are constructing the same plant all over again in Kazakhstan'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and on top of that usually the government doesn't distribute the proceeds from the transaction amongst it's citizens, 'austerity package''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the side being leeched is managed by a person from some other nation too, sometimes or most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though.....an American company put in a bid of $1.8 billion to build the 5 year bridge also.....and was turned down in favor of the $1.7 billion chinese bid, which is now $2.1 billion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like petro-canada being eaten by suncore in 2009, which was invented to prevent american monopoly of canadian resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is now monopolized by china and others too, with the attempt at some sovereignty absolutely erased'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they make just about everything in china, be it's lawyers in austria'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what other roles they have, maybe lobbying governments from another country'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not very much resemblance of real nations on earth, as far as total independent sovereignty goes, canada would be easy if it was like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"Globalism makes everything cheaper!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'including the value of human life apparently, judging from the change in entertainment from 1985-2012'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so why is the cost of everything continually rising while wages are stagnant and less jobs are available'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada, the land where nationalized government oil corporations while not denying private industrialists from sharing in the projects is seen as communism, and foreign crown corporations are allowed to freely operate within it's borders'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here i think i'm going to sell some oil to my government, the buyer, maybe giving the government some taxes and maybe not, then the proceeds from sale will pay for some of the workers that migrate here for 6 months a time from china'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they require money to surviva, i haven't decided yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're just slaves and will be better off if they don't ask for money'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it looks like that is a possibility, they never talk about it on the news though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can blame the terminator for the switch to the chinese building the bridge though.  After he saw the high american bid, he got scared and decided to rework the project so that to get passed the requirement that the job be american built to get federal funding, they made the main part of the bridge state funded only, thus bypassing the federal requirement of american built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about a hole in a country, from a industry that poisons the canadian water table, which used to be seen as a requirement for non-bottled water survival'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the terrorist is in afghanistan, where petro china bought up a bunch of contracts, maybe with advise from his pal to the north or maybe not'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could have made a united nations oil corporation built by military servicemen which would cost some to start up by then be able to fully fund whatever projects they wanted in afghanistan, until they were done and could then let china buy some oil contracts - until then requiring them to actually purchase it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of shit, if it wasn't for shit like that happening without an explaination as to why they charge the governments taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars per year instead of doing just that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i wouldn't have any questions - what do you think ?  could sucking oil out of afghanistan put together by maybe volunteers like the 'peace corps' sorta for the united nations 'programme' there have provided hundreds of billions of dollars of sales - funding ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bid to tear down the old bay bridge is also being bidded on right now....so far the $250 million job has only 1 bidder....a chinese company :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they could have replaced obama's charitable donation of 4 billion tax dollars to african infrastructure with proceeds from the oil embargo north of the region too, if each country gets to route it's money how it sees it and surpluses on 'pledged money between contributing nations' could be garnished from the system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '4 billion out of 100 billion doesn't even seem like much does it?  96 biilion still going to the program of some mysterious invent - the world is ran by crooks'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe communist crooks but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by all indications western nations are slave-states and eastern nation's start all the problems'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are all the problems even'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems the whole european/african/asian continent is the source of every modern war in western history'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether it's providing a slick mouth for the politician to listen to .. and i guess that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't convict the head of state for treason though, so the system of slavery will never change as long as the government's acknowledged'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually the head of state just takes orders , which is by some definitions called treason'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in maybe north korea the military's the real head of state though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'you need to impeach and then convict. Or you could just do like in Machete, and kidnap them and convict them in a televised proceeding then execute immediately :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah they kind of made a joke out of that with bill clinton and his blow jobs'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what kind of offenses dow the american public see as objectionable, but ok?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see it's just ordinary'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I bet that's the real reason they did it, to break the perception impeachment is worth anything, so they could allow their war criminal free reign'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i was just thinking of, i'm a pessmist though, it's possible that my negative thinking isn't reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'there's pessimism, and then there's conspiracy. That sounds more like conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just like to know what's going on when something is on my mind that has no explaination, like any scientist does'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human actions i don't see as 'god's mysterious ways' as much as something like a apparition or a verse in the bible or something similar like those, so i figure they have origins somewhere in the real world, mostly confusion seems to keep those out of sight'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, that was a big destruction that happened in 2001 and some action had to be taken cause of it, right?  symbolic gesture of enemy of money or not that was a big dark spot in any country's day, having something like that happen, they'd probably do the same'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never stuck to any absolute knowitall position about the world's problems, i just sort of drift between considerations and possibilities and weight the odds for myself, i'm not a twisted psychopath blinded by hatred'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a little crazy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i see something like the video from aljazeera called 'the spell of the albino' though then i feel some hatred because of how the victim didn't deserve that treatment and seems to have no hope in hell, those kind of things make me angry, but it is partly perception on my part'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm completely lost now'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your use of the word conspiracy could mean several things, was i trying to falsely allege something to be the truth or 'if it is like you say they were in conspiracy', pessimism means that i consider the dark possibilities more than the light ones, because they seem more likely - i just tried to explain some of what does make me angry, including my own perceptions which aren't immortalized but maleable 'for consideration' of things trying to make sense out of them, because no truthful explaination is given for lots of things, criminal or not, and even the ones that are could be false, illegal or not, which is something that has to be ruled out if it is a prevailant doubt :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always explain myself to people so that they don't have the absence of explaination to pin bullshit on me which i had nothing to do with, i know that lawyers and stuff can find holes in everything so i plug them up as i go along'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Oh. Pessimism to me implies that it isn't actually happening, someone just being a grumpypuss. But I think most of the theories are accurate, have happened, and could bring actual criminal charges, had the people involved not been beyond the law.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, at least i'm not the only one who considered it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I always hated that about the conspiracies that do get broken open. You get 1-4 people charged and made examples of but everyone else gets away'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'threatening people with publicity for having an opinion is one of the new-age things, since the media's all owned by a small group of individuals ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody they don't like very much who has an opinion, real or not, which they see being considered but against the ignorance that they worship, can be made a fool of by special effects'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not very likely they'd pay attention to somebody they didn't vehemently hate though, and being as powerful as they are you gotta wonder what it is they hated about that person'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all amounts to a temper tantrum, like having a crime against denying some historic events and setting a group of people beyond question'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i say i don't know the entirety of the situation and then continue to probe they might scream criminal'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they could just explain the reality to me instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't deny the truth, never have and never will'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what glory is to be had by defamation of the dead?  pretty low way to be, i don't even mock jesus christ, since i don't know if he was really the good shepherd or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he was and the world hated him, but now they teach him and do things in his name, then it's possible that the world's still a perverted hog and through their perversion they wish to set people against a good man that they will never be because they follow the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mummification dead for 3500 years still around, who knows what kind of defamation of political enemies they did 2000 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the world is pretty evil and full of things that don't really have to happen, so when i think of what it collectively agreed to hate it doesn't mean that's my enemy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the wiki page on charlamagne at least, they claim that he continued after his father and conquered the 'germanic tribes' who weren't really called german back then, slaved a couple generations of the leftovers and taught their children and women (or else) that jesus christ is their lord and saviour, esbalishing the church and the nation of germany - i'm not sure if that's true or not, but it's an example of how good people thought jesus was, voluntarily accepted through war'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in another place theodoric the 1st or something was made the first margrave of meissan of germany , posted by the roman emperor'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i'm not sure what germany is really, french or roman or both or what'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but jesus christ was sure placed on them in a non-christian manner if it is how charlamagne says, as it was in bolivia according to the movie 'even the rain''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the spanish brought the warchrist there'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'If you ask the new blood they will side with the dirty frenchies but if you ask a REAL one, aka an old fart, we side with the romans ;^'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the main reasons for studying history is for understanding persistent evil today and trying to identify where it comes from'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's about all i look at it for'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I do similarly but for art and for 'trends' or' cylical events'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'like how 1100 years ago England had a constitution similar to the US despite being a monarchy until the normans conquered them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the conquering and dismantlement of the constitution in THIS age came largely from within, and economically, however.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Also, the Charter of Liberties only applied to clergy and nobles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'well, serfs weren't considered 'free landed men' in their wording, but then blacks weren't considered the same at the time the US' was drafted ;^'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'people always like to cherrypick one group to get shat on, in any country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_II this guy sounds like a ancient communist, lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '.. or democrat depending how he really was, i don't know, power to the people'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it basically gives me a red flag speaking of democrats, whenever they are like "Freedom for all peoples equally!" or some nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i make all groups rejoice with my presence, since i'm an outcast from every one'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I always wonder who the group they're going to hammer is. 9 times out of ten it seems to be me. :
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some places do seem alot fairer than others, i'll give them that, but actual democracy seems to be absent from just about all of them, or maybe all'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the definition of democracy is 'where all people affected by a administrative decision have a equal say in the matter that will affect them somehow''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course some people don't think of others as people, just dumb animals, but i'm not like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always anyways, usually my animals are the ones seeing others as animals'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I think my cats think that way. Or, maybe nearly all cats do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'they are so fargin' dismissive of everything'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'are there any satanists on aard?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'CBO projects debt would increase to 200% debt/GDP with current policy, fall to 50% if Bush cuts allowed to expire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When did WWII start? The History channel seems to think it started in 1941 with pearl harbour, is that the US view? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well that is when it because a full on world war'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'became even'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well... I suppose that's one way to look at it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although I think most of Europe would say hat the invasion of poland was the start of WWII.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Invading a small island in the middle of nowhere isn't exactly the difference between world/not world war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I don't think anyone would argue that WWII started anytime after 1939.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It just annoyed me that the documentary of WWII started with pearl harbor. It misses some vital parts of the war, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'that's weird, even if they were just trying to show it from an american perspective you would think they would at least discuss the lend lease act and such.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I say it was the assassination of the archduke ferdinand'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'that started the whole shebang'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well a world war is a war that involves most of the principal nations of the world. so attacking pearl harbor and america going to war i guess is why they consider it the start'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'It's really just one war, it simply quieted down for a time except in the satelites, but there was still so many obvious things brewing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'WWII was a continuation of WW I, so the murder of the archduke was the start...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well yeah i mean hitler did plan on world domination :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'that's true, but to say that they're 1 war is like saying that britain and france fought one single war from 1000 to 1870'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah exactly. So technically it's "Great War and World War" if you want to be truly accurate when separating them and not look like you only learn things from TV :^'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Considering the events after pearl harbor, it really was only a minor incident, not the savage attack that americans have it to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not the same. The reasons of WWI apply to WW II, there was just a pause. Remember, WW I was never ended. There was an armistice (a cease fire) so the war was technically still on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And of course everyone on the losing side didn't obey the terms of the armistace ANYWAY'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it wasn't meant to. The "victors" of WW I wanted a cease fire just as much as Germany did. They needed the respite, but there was always an intent to continue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they forced Germany to resume hostility. Some day take the time and read the articles of the armistice, it reads like a rape scene.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'True, but they could have at least shown they cared the other side was arming up. It was just stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah, and that's exactly why they ignored it I think. They felt guilty about nearly wiping out the economy with a bit of paper instead of cannon fire. Not quite as honorable and all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Germany was surrounded by armed nations, they really had little choice but to preempt them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'hey don't need to tell me that, I'm authentically from that time, second-hand anyway. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'My granddad and I still write-in votes for long-dead officials to protest how disgusting we find modern Germany'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, the point is that when we speak of WWII Hitler's name always comes up, and rightly so, however, he was a fluke. Had a sane person been in power, Germany would have still gone to war but the outcome would have been a lot different.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah, his one skill really was oration, he stunk at everything else'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'his biggest mistake in my opinion was firing Rommel'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'That was still very late, I think one of the biggest mistakes was stopping to punish Yugoslavia, which allowed the Russians a mountain of time to regroup AND let the weather get screwed up'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'damn, gtg, wasn't watching the clock :^'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well russia was just a big mistake, should have taken over the west and fortified the eastern boarder, then once the west secure push onto russia'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before he fired Rommel, he ignored him, so basically that is what cost him the war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'nah I think they somewhat knew the russians planned to backstab them, just not when. It was nearly a success but the egos of Hitler and the brass that were his yesmen cost him Russia. They'd never be able to hold it but they could at least have taken out their generals and Stalin before pulling back.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Had Hitler listened to him, the allies would not have landed in Normandy. Rommel had intercepted the coded message announcing the invasion. But the High Command refused to send him troops.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weren't they misled on the location anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yugoslavia to Stalingrad was one continually worsening lost cause.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rommel knew it was Omaha beach.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth brings out the Corn Broom, glaring with a grinning smile at a flying donkey???!!!.
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I allowed here ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why would you not be allowed on a channel?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curse I get chan banned pretty regularly - I don't always understand why - for various reasons '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stick to curse allowed channels, or don't curse - easy fixed'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curse most of them subjective - you  know ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone looking forward to being assigned bannable internet ID's?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I am now. >:|'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you lucky person!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Some ass just randomly sacced stuff I had lying on the ground while swapping my pots around'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was nice of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a bag'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or somewhere private'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's full numbnuts'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use another bag'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They were all full! Pots'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i'm sure it's a great personal disaster, for me, there are bigger things going on'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything on the ground is fair game.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Nothing is bigger, there is NO greater principle! THIS IS THE REASON THE WORLD IS SO SHITE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'It should be an executable offense!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the reason the world is so shite is because a bunch of lunatics hold all the power'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'best to never drop stuff that you don't want to lose, people tend to sac my corpses before I skin them :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'when I'm skinning ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'need a spell that puts a lockdown on a room while you're there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why?  They shouldn't suffer because of your stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And I'd wager those lunatics got power in the first place because of a lack of consideration for their fellows!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They're the stupid ones so they should be the ones executed!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i think we're all screwed now'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're the one who put your valuables on the ground for just anyone to take.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see a lot we can do about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Take, is fine, but if someone left a book on a bench to eat a sandwich, would you burn it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly nothing i can do about it here, not allowed to buy guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be rounded up with all the other dissidents'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't you in England?  Just stab them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would i stab them when they have gusn?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns*'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'learn to act, and figure out how to conceal it better?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do over here is go and hide'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're on your own, good luck :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I got lots of guns, I just don't have anybody to help me use them all. :|'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so train some friends up'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I shoulda been born a mormon, at least I'd be literally raising my own army!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They all spread out now...or got lucky and rich and ran away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't stay rich'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yeah you just can't get people to listen about that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dollar is going to get devalued in the next couple of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lucky it'll happen slowly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"You can't run, they're everywhere, they will just follow you and pass stupid laws there too which will lead to the same economic collapse!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"At least I'll have lived it up while I could!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yay apathy'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best bet is to stick together in communities'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'as for the spell or skill to make a room private, I doubt you will ever see it. The builder flag causes enough problems with people blocking things so imagine someone blocking off all exits from aard hotel or aylor. Too powerful a tool to hand to trolls.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Ah, oh yea, forgot about that application'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'basically i'm on a CP and they're doing an AQ so there's no where private at all in that area'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'are you running into a wt or an item problem requiring you to drop things?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'err item number'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by "private" we meant somewhere where there was little enough traffic for you to not care if some random dude came by.  By that definition, almost any room on the continents would suffice and pretty much most of every other area would as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'item, ran out of buffs/buffpots in a CP'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the ridiculous thing was I was right effin THERE in the room picking up and dropping things actively, plus it was cougarian so they HAD to read what was in the room first and sit there looking at me picking up and dropping stuff before making the conscious decision to sac'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'yeah they didn't need to sac it'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's like 'oh that guy has finished with these newspapers clearly, I shall burn them for no reason because I am OCD like that.''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'onoes random objects on the ground, the mud will lag and crash'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this probably isn't the right channel for this'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  Do you walk into grand central station with a big-ass pile of stuff to sort through, and start sorting it right there on the depot floor?  Not if you're normal, because a normal person would see a lot of people there and would expect someone to try snatching something while you were busy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, being in New York, perhaps they'd just walk up and club you first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hey, isn't there some rule against drawing reality into a discussion here?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Well, considering if I ever went to New York half of those would be GUNS, probably not'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'trying to club me would result in like a thousand people dead because I tend to overreact to muggers in a bad way ;p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'all Paul Kersy-esque'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, you don't know New York.  They use assault as a form of greeting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the miscreant sacrificer a longterm player or a newbie'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'and yeah, I see tourists all the time in Bonn just drop all their knapsacks and start reorganizing, so, obviously the ABNORMAL thing is to NOT reorganize before leaving for your destination.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Especially Japanese, holy crap so much photo equipement'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a longterm player sacs other folks stuff to cause grief'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't need to be a longterm player for that, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i think they succeeded'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the intent is more obvious with a longterm player'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Lasher hasn't really ever stopped complaining about item counts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'permission to enter your manor and sac everything  (evil grin)  to reduce item counts'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Looks like a n00b, born a week ago but barely questing/campaigning. Will probably be here or in question bitching about the cost of SH in two days at current rate of progress'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'also, item counts?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pockets pockets2 pockets3 ftw'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'no I mean what was lasher complaining about?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that we have too many items and a culture that views having that many items is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Ah, so he's a Fight Club fan'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he's not an ascetic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'never heard him say anything like that :\'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only that people shouldn't keep their aardeq on their manor floor'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'heh heh, or anywhere else's floor'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'items are THE bottleneck in the game right now.  Basically nothing else matters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'man, I have seen some crazy shit in the donation room'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is trolling  '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't aware there was a bottleneck'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'hundreds and hundreds of owned items that sit there forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm not sure how bottlenecking is even working or applying here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not forever. till reboot/crash'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and unowned donations have a timer on them'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'well, it DID take two weeks for the next reboot that one time so it was almost like forever in internet time'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high item counts in high traffic areas may be an alleged cause for concern, but not in low traffic areas'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Armer was in a high-traffic area, hence his complaining about his items.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high body counts in high traffic areas (say recall) may also be an alleged cause for concern -- but do you see a NO LOITERING sign there'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not.  The numbers are far too small for that to matter.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so...do items use...processing power or whatever just sitting there no matter what they're doing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm going to call bullshit unless i get a exact quote from someone'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir called bullshit. How do you plead?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if item counts in a high traffic area were a display-lag concern, maybe a simple "a lot of junk is on the floor." -- if anybody was curious, then "look junk"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'er "rlook junk" '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expanding on the concept:  at aardhotel/recall/questor: "A crowd of ## is here." --  "rlook crowd" to see the crowd members.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'ah, would remind me of ADOM'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I would reckon a bigger log drain is recall,though. Hundreds of people a day watching hundreds of other people repacking shit or entering portals every 20 seconds'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hippos. cute or ugly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ugly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Hungry!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. insanely ugly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why on earth would 2-3 guys name their band lady antebellum ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are they a little light in the loafers ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obviously they get laid more often than Cartman does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Green decline 'may bring irreversible change' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18339905 what's more likely, they'll try and administrate the nation's to become survivable by adopting new strategy's that don't violate people's basic expectations of liberty, or that they'll eradicate most of humanity (selectively pampering subsets based on things like Mensa Eugenics) and continue along with the same lifestyle choices that drove the world to this point, except with less contributors?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How nice, Honda has come out with an electric version of its Fit car....and it costs 2x the amount as the regular gas version.....$17,000 buys a lot of gas when your vehicle gets 40 mpg'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most wouldn't even wonder being unaffected by it in their immediate perceptions, but it's a genocide that's been done in 1929.. and continuing on into the future, we're probably about ripe for another repetition aren't we?  or has humanity just evolved like chemical replacements and biologically mutated food supplies from tens of thousands of years of social evolution into a sustainable man-made alternative that hasn't been proven yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager on the genocide'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think islam's being spread for as it's main purpose as a tool to drive people to homicide (assuming they really are that dumb), as supported by the UN and other nation's, in russia among other places i read stories about it's presence'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always involving homicide in the name of the cult and various other segregations and crimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but christianity's been used the same way, so that's nothing new, i don't see what makes the humans who rule the world god though'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're god because they have the power of grade school.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, in nature mother teaches kids the basic things they need to know before learning on their own, in humanity she's at work or doesn't really care very much and the government handles the upbringing, along with the strangers who rule the local neighbourhood'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe sometimes father too'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in humanity if you're religious the father is the priest'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're in the army your superior is your lord, the title sir given to nobility, there's lots of customs like that in the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they say after the slaves were released from rome they chose to serve in the army and take part in the spoils, which includes slaving people like they were slaved'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably never got a chance to slave their master's though, their master is their god'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'common sense doesn't exist in customary ignorance, 'her majesty' 'his emminence''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they call satan the bringer of light, but don't explain what that title really means'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a reference to the promethean myth.  Fire brought to man, basically.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it rub you the wrong way to learn that The One True God you think above all others is, in fact, one of those lesser others?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my idea of god's like the space that surrounds everything, except intelligent'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more like it anyways, if i have a idea of god as the almighty then it's bigger than anything that can be contained'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the shia muslims seem more reasonable than the sunni muslims though.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18322418 here a guy in kuwait's twitter account posted blasphemy before a mandatory death-penalty for blasphemy law was passed, which the shia muslims seen as evil'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'twitter getting people off of murder charges cause jurors tweeted about it and doing all kinds of amazing things, there's something wrong with the world when people can't shut off their ears instead of making laws against what they hear'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can explain why it's not how they hear it if they're so justified in their judgemetns'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the king is offended by the smell of shit too and requires that farting in his presence is punishable by death'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the maternity ward is closed while the king gets treated in the hospital'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trash arrogant fucks that run the world, man, how do people put up with being slaves forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'most people just go with what they know'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's true, as that goethe philosopher person says 'none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you figure, should it be proven that god exists and god be required to declare himself that the people who make blasphemy a death sentence is his holy writ, perhaps providing an explaination for his decisions why people should have to do the killing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those kind of laws just show that religion can't defend itself and mind control is it's only objective'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah! Fuck those people for thinking differently than you, they should just believe everything you believe!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'god is a long way away from being able to dictate the laws of his lands.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'wait...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anyone who can do the stuff he can do would be mistaken as a mere alien, and our governments would start hugely destructive wars that either would damn us forever or destroy God.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people don't watch out for it proactively, the government's decision makers can easily be bought and those kind of laws be enacted anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just something that seems obvious'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money can't buy observers, (it can but with the risk of being paid not to observe)'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Did you know in Canada that there's still a law on the books regarding burning witches? I mean, since there's a law about it surely that means it happens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'burning witches is one thing that's probably mostly been gone for the last 200 years except for cults who like to explore the past'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this other stuff's around today'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh wait, I forgot, society self-regulates and even laws are subject to public opinion. N/m.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're pushing more and more hypnotism and islam and other controversial issues into universities and schools as time goes on, i notice from the news'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Is hypnotism really controversial? I mean, sure the XXX hypnotists are kinda lame, but...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're religious and you got to a school, the school shouldn't become conformant to your religion cause of social engineering and private investment, should it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they offer students grants, marks and other benefits to take part in 'not tested on animals' clinical drug trials'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If you're going to University and can't decide for yourself whether to risk a medical drug trial, you have bigger issues than a third eye.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, my grandma figures like that, they're pretty stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but.. what alternatives do they have?  there's a teacher in a university did a media article on how she sold her body for sex to pay for her degree'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So your answer to increased "mind control", is to dictate what other people's decisions should be? Kudos man, you're part of the problem. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're turning my province into amsterdam red light district (or entire canada) with government pimps and tax-payer incentives to join the trade, maybe they'll make education exclusive to be a trained whore before being accepted into class, or as a obligation to the school'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's because they're like that, they'll demoralize canada until it's absolutely retarded'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Funny. I seem to recall paying for my degree by working at a grocery store. Didn't realize we were only allowed to pay for it with prostitution :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe your way will last, but it seems that jobs aren't lasting as long as they used to'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The jobs are there if you're willing to work them. They just aren't high paying until you're out of school.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'main employment in my community is babcock and wilcox steel and the cn railway, both of who import people from other places, like ukraine and ontario to do the work'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sounds like you need to find somewhere a little bigger then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Small towns being built on one or two main employers is nothing new, and certainly not a sign of an "increasing basterdization of Canada". It's just the facts of a small town.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jehova's witnesses remind me of that egg religion species on babylon 5.....they have an irrational belief that surgery is only for 'food' animals, and that if you cut into a higher life forms body, the soul will escape.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe the are motivated by the exsanguination procedures of past centuries :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'wow a religon that has irrational beliefs, how unusual'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'k wild'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seeking a Donkey for the End of the World.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'does pornography send a dangerous message to the society? does it lie about sex?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no more than an action movie lies about the improbability of not getting shot by "highly trained" guards'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'pornography should be viewed like sci-fi enjoyed but not taken to seriously'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah but you can't take sex seriously. because its just fun. so. high five!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'serious sex sucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new Dodge Viper is going to be 44% carbon fiber.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, vehicle designers are idiots......I have a top knotch stereo in my truck that weighs less than 2 lbs, but the stock one in my car weighs 5.2 lbs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Mr. Arnold, the headmaster of the Covenant Christian Academy in Cumming, Ga., confirmed that his school used those texts but said they were part of a larger curriculum.You have to keep in mind that the curriculum goes beyond the textbook, Mr. Arnold said. Not only do we teach the students that creation is the way the world was created and that God is in control and he made all things, we also teach them what the false theories of the world are, such as the Big Bang theory and Darwinism. We teach those as fallacies. "'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/education/scholarship-funds-meant-for-needy-benefit-private-schools.html?pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'christian version of afghan madrasahs!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'meh'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is news? :P there are large companies that cater to those schools by producing YEC material.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the news was that they're getting public money'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess that isn't news to some people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly was news to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read a article on bbc that claimed employers give preferential treatment to certain universities which are expensive in britain, and some people who go through university never get a job in that profession or it's a crappy one cause of that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't understand what makes one school's teaching of a subject matters whether or not somebody knows it to be employed, governments should watch for that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, someone has to fund all those catholic pervert priests......'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'how is that at all strange? That's the way it is in the states.. you go to a "well-known" university.. the employers will higher you based on their opinion of those institutions...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't surprising that employers have opinions about the relative strengths of schools'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a way to make social administrative positions inaccessible to all but the rich and their servants'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but subject matter has nothing to do with what frat club you go to'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you think the teaching at harvard is the same as the teaching at podunk community college, you're fooling yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's absolutely nothing that a school has that can't be taught in any other school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except equipment for biotech and other advanced reserach studies like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'well, even though it's the same subject, what they teach is different from school to school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause it's expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'but the fact of the matter is.. if a professor has a choice of teaching at two different skills.. changes are they'll teach at the one that pays more.. therefore the schools with the most money tend to have the best professors'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather go to podunk community college :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'there is a correlation between money and strength of a school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'nobody said it was "fair"'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you go to podunk community college and place in the top 100 at the putnam competition or something, you'd probably have a better chance than a C student at harvard. But if you have no proof that you're bright... well...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'the rich have always and will always consolidate the most power.. because money has power'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in some countries college is free or nearly so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you live in a country that has greater financial restrictions on who goes where, well... it's a domestic issue...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, the only real way to go to college cheaply here is to go for community college or to be good enough to get into an ivy league and poor enough that they waive the tuition :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technically many of them have aid for all who need it. But I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, my brother went to cornell and they waived the tuition completely because of low income.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, if I were american I'd probably have qualified for that too...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably lots who fall through the cracks... those who work part time to reduce their debt load aren't making the best use of their time'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quite possibly, also depends on when you started.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if they have a choice...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... they have rectangular oreos in china.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder why these companies just aren't as creative in the us. No demand for odd flavours/shapes?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'square was probably done to reduce shipping costs... and it's not the companies, it's the people that are stubborn'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'we like round!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Some notable misfires: a red bean paste Oreo (kids didn't like it) and a Ritz cracker flavored like fish boiled in spicy Sichuan peppercorn oil (too local)."'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'red bean oreo?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'eww'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'don't knock it til you.. aww shit.. that sounds gross..'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like something like green tea kit kats though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... actually green tea oreos sounds like it could be good too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or any kind of tea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, why are so many cookie-type snacks only in chocolate or vanilla varieties?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest study links psychotropic drugs in the water supply to autism'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar study also find taking SSRI's while pregnant increases the chance of the child being autistic'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'greek neo-nazi spokesman throws water at socialist deputy, communist MP throws papers at said spokesman, who then proceeds to punch her repeatedly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like anyone expects anything to get done, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, apparently it's illegal for voting officials to vote for you but it's not illegal for them to give out other people's private information?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and did you hear that 27% of voters who belong to a union voted for Governor Scott Walker in the recall?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go walker!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they say people get the govt they deserve...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is about time the line was drawn on public employee unions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will be interesting to see what will happen to them, and the us in general over the next decade or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from an outside perspective anyway. A safe, outside perspective.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, baseball.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'astro's need a new owner....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'amazing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta get the gator!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the economy of Texas is worth $1.3 trillion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the economy of California is worth $2 trillion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, love the signs in Alaska.....Save the Whales!!  For dinner!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'almost as good as Save the Whales, harpoon a fat bitch!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell has started its first exploration wells off the north coast of Alaska.....Shell spent $2.2 billion on the offshore leases back in 2005.  It has taken that long to get past the lawsuits from tree huggers who do not even live in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet they find at least 40 billion barrels of oil, and 100 trillion cubic feet of natural gas on these test wells....the govt expects them to find around 30 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is about 100 miles of shallow ocean off the north shore of Alaska.....good spot to find oil, considering that spot used to be above the water millions of years ago and covered with forests and jungles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Same as north canada, europe, and russia as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so basically the idea is to keep drilling for oil until none is left then it will be that generation's problem to figure out how to live without oil. I agree wi shouldn't bother to set the system up now when we can pass the buck to the future.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will never run out of oil, because if we had to, we could MAKE oil for about $200 a barrel based on current technology.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, oil is an unlimited resource, what was I thinking about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but gas will eventually move us away from oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long before it gets close to running out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kill one of the guards and wear all his armor, walk to the lord and he should transport you, iirc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then electricity will replace gas in time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Does this synthetic oil mean we can also synthetically produce all the items normally made from petroleum synthetically?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt synthetic oil, it is made from carbon sources just like regular oil, except much faster using a bio refinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's oil in everything...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we had to, we could always use algae oil.....US scientists have already created a new algae that produces 60% oil of weight in the lab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future is some kind of hybrid though....diesel electric hybrid most likely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'hybrid and/or electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i can see the rigs/trucks still using diesel though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a diesel electric hybrid'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trains already use diesel electric hybrid locomotives and get really impressive cost per mile.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I am in favor of all forms of power generation, even coal...I just want the older coal plants in the midwest to replaced with current technology coal powered plants that can switch to natgas, and that scrub the emissions better.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the dirty dozen coal plants of the midwest produce almost 10% of the co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that you can't envision a future without oil. That's sad.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil will still be in use when our kids kids die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of things that could be theoretically envisioned but will never practically cease to exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Albiet probably in a different manner.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, why bother to do something else, it won't be our problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would say "we put a man on the moon but..." but that wouldn't be a true statement :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places more energy is neccessary to survive in than others, like where it's extremely cold - reducing reliance on destruction and adopting new strategies to provide the heat and energy needed as they become available doesn't sound bad though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do build concept towns in some places, showing the 0-oil kind of strategies, or at least greener, if something is proven not to work in one place then maybe something else will'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'could just create fission reactors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'fission and fusion reactors ftw'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as there's support for trying it out cause eventually people want less reliance on destruction '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing crucial about oil, we don't remove ourselves from oil because those who control the oil want to continue to get rich. They do understand that by the time there is no oil, they will be dead, so fuck'em if can't take a joke.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oil, like anything else, is something where most people agree something ought to be done but think that the something that ought to be done shouldn't affect them in any way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many, many people will say 'we should cut government spending' and yet if you go for anything that hits them personally, scream in horror.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, it's like the tree hugger protestor's that use paper and wood to make signs...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but...they're 100% recycled!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'pre or post consumer? :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'pre doesn't really count'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think it's possible to have 100% recycled paper products (it, like, falls apart too easily or something)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's impossible to have a perpetual motion engine, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything generates waste and so eventually we run out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the trick is converting the "Waste" into something usable again'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but that will also generate waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think it might be theoretically possible to build a PME using quantum mechanics.  Apparently some scientist was able to devise an experiment that showed an object of any size (the experiment used a silicon paddle on the order of 500 microns) could be in two places at once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that the system will not generate any waste heat. That's interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if it could be any size, why did they choose something so annoyingly small'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'whats the topic?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope points excitedly!
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'maybe he didn't want his assistant to notice his small penis?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'work on penises being in 2 places at once ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'woo schrodengers penis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'schroedinger is the ultimate he/she. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'until you look anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i thought that was lady gaga'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lady gaga had his box opened'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lady Gaga was freaking hot before she went batshit insane'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: '.                 . .               . .             .......   '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the freecreditscore.com band is the best band in a decade.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I just inject stuff whenever I see something worth replying to :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well look, I have no real tolerance towards deliberate animal cruelty.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm outboard motors for boats sure are expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'they sure are'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'about 1000 bucks per hp'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But how expensive is it to attach a horse to an pair of oars? HOW EXPENSIVE IS IT?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not very expensive at all.  Just look at how the rednecks do it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$9300 for a yamaha 115 hp outboard.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You cna abuse the bears if you want though.....since 1948, the number of grizzly bears in the lower 48 has tripled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to many bears if you ask me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'think you spelt 'deer' wrong there, Riz.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'grizzly deer?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I am all for regulating the number of non-humans on the planet. Who the fuck do they think they are anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, a biogenetic combination.....a grizzly deer....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we got so many deer here in STL they're letting us do backyard hunting now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nice'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, there are no deer in STL, those are rats!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we should regulate humans, too. What the hell, just let me and a few semi-virgins on the planet, the rest of you, fuck off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, the rats are closer in towards the city.  I'm talking about out in Chesterfield and places that far out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'can you couch hunt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I suppose you could, but the view's terrible.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 6000 calories a day or you lose weight.....tough life being a mountain man.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many calories those Sally Field brats burn a day?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I always get confused by the calories/joules bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just 10 cents a day gets a kid beaten by the kids who had to stand in line all day and didn't get any food.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '8000, or 2000, how much is it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: '1 calories = 4.18 joules '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'calories schmorlies... as long as you stay away from processed crap and (including processed sugar) you don't have much to worry about'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless all you're eating is rice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, drink green smoothies all day long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, they recently discovered the body is unable to detect liquid calories (which is apparently the biggest reason for the 'beer belly')'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So if you drink liquid meals, you don't realise you have eaten enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'calorie has 7 char and joule only 5 ,so calorie > joule '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1 calorie = 4.2 joules, so yes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey, green smoothies are damn good...especially when you add a scoop of protein powder to them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the ordinal comparison means calories < joules'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was sorting by length.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, seriously, domesticated rice that has bred out unwanted features and bred in extra nutrients has been found to be cross-pollinating with wild varieties that are reversing the cultivated trends.  It's like GMO, but in reverse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I am a beer lover and I got extra 20 kg fat in my belly because of drinking beer every day ....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't worry, when you lose your kidneys some of the weight will go with them :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Domesticated rice has LESS nutrients than wild varieties - but it is far hardier and faster growing'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did the world do without all the bioengineering. How did we survive all these millions of years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'spinach, blueberries, some milk, vanilla protein powder, and 1 banana in a super blender.....yum.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We died. Young.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'good question, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the crap we eat today is far worse for ya'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That said, Montesanto is literally the antichrist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we just planted plants closer together.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we then noticed that this or that food was better-looking, bigger, tastier, whatever, then chopped down the plants where that wasn't the case.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US obesity epidemic (and its spread to other nations which accept US culture) is almost entirely due to the Corn subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, now we live long enough to enjoy all the organic damage that the bioengineering has done.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bioengineering is older than animal life itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The first botanical studies of natural selection and selective breeding are really fascinating reads'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '0 knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '0 knowledge of genetics, evolution, etc - and still they managed it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'in the old days people farmed hunted etc, now we work so we can buy these things... is life any easier? hardly'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Million years ago,only toughest men and women survive,nowadays every nerd buy tons of calories with Internet. for example,me ....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, imagine that, humanity existing without meddling. What were they thinking about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I will die soon if tomorror some disaster come'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I laugh at all the anti-civ people debating using a computer on the internet :-P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people did alot of good progressive things, more comfortable living and advances in science, but i think it's still important to be able to survive in the event of catastrophe and stuff, preserving enough of the nature of the world so that it can recover if somebody miscalculated about something that replaced it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technology does not imply civilization...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'technology is making slaves of us all'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'there are 6 billion people nowadays, and one-tenth of them using automobiles ,too much to a tiny planet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You all should go become mountain men.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i would, if i could find a mountain women'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheep my friend, sheep.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'lol, the neanderthals are so urgly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they had it good though... just had to drag her back to your cave'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'we all are offsprings of murder and raper,million years ago, they were successors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'can't rape the willing :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I read a book recently ,named "Dies the fire",all electronic devices to cease to function-computers, telephones, engines, radio, television, even firearms'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'it is a terrible world. cannibals everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, that happens when you get a large emp shochwave, like an atomic bomb'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'but in that case, non funtioning electronics is low on the priority list'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I 'll commit sucide at once in that world, I quit, I quit ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing that scares me most about thinking about bombs and stuff is the kind of people who have them, the bombs themselves maybe are dangerous over time as their radioactive elements decay in chaotic patterns - and that's what scares me next about them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the way it looks now, they'll never disarm those bombs'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless some kind of amazing thing happens that causes them to, it seems like they're eventually going to be used'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one side has them, the other has a reason to have them, and both use eachother as reasons why they need them, etc, and then more and more get involved, more unpredictable minds with a stash of them hanging around etc, you can go loony looking at the news and stuff sometimes, trying to figure out what the solutions are going to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was alright what america and russia were trying to do disarming some of them together though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'both might expect the other to wait until enough are disarmed and take advantage though, which is why solutions are hard to see actually happening'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really like to think of that stuff though, sometime's it's hard not to, i read they actually called world war 1 in 1917 or so 'the war to end all wars', and it looks like they lied'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'more like wishful thinking'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is cool....found a house here in Dallas with a master bathroom with aquariums for walls with sharks and other fish in them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor, and when I die, I expect to find him laughing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how the west's latest proxy war will turn out...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we all here ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10-4 comeback ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I propose that anything which could be defined as "finger magic" in the context of a performed action unless used in the metaphorical or artistic sense is inherently ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like ur style :) ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Wow. A proper, articulate debate is coming on. This is rare. Whoopee.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finger magic?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you familiar with the jewish tree of life ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm familiar with the jewish betrayal of Mohammed in his fight against the Arab clans'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok lemme find one and link or you want me to describe ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'give us the basics, possibly, or keywords to describe it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lemme find one '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cuase the system works off it '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Earlier, Tzadkiel is quoted as saying "I use alot of finger magic on the fly atm", implying a wicca-like control of the elements'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol NOT WICCA ... but ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/kabbalah/TreeofLifeKabbalah.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/Kabbalah%26Tarot.html&h=753&w=500&sz=71&tbnid=70C8tFKwBPAEtM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtree%2Bof%2Blife%2Bkabbalah%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=tree+of+life+kabbalah&usg=__ix5evmSW4sd7t3iZlueaflf6_T4=&docid=Hj_L8MGkaBd9fM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wNDRT9iZLq7NmAX6puCPAw&sqi=2&ved=0CHIQ9QEwAw&dur=4704'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to learn how to avoid google proxies :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok you see the diagram ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but if you understood the effort it takes to type atm you'd not bother me with it ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/kabbalah/TreeofLifeKabbalah.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I apologise.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keep that in ur back pocket fer now Tig '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok see the circles ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes sir'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maam.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes sir maam :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'a symbol used to describe the path of god and the manner in which he created the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I hope you are not about to use a religious item as proof towards the feasibility of finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok yes the bolt of creation - yes but understand that each is a different "thing" '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm showing you how I work '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you defined the debate with the inquiry of my finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'please do continue defining the finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok the tree of life - not the best link but each circle pretains to a different bit of the beast - be it the human psyche or the universe '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the significance of the + and -'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ask me at a later date - is not imoprtant for this '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok there are 10 sephiroth'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10 circles - soz '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and 10 fingers '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'asign a circle to a finger '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok see the links between the circles '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they are symbols '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they corospond to the major arcana of the tarot '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know what tarot cards are ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aware of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as in many cultures mandalas are a visual prompt to something you have spent a bit of time imprinting '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use those links at a prompt to a specific state of mind '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are tarot and jewish mythology linked'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the history of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'How is the Pld Testament and Old Hebrew texts similar? (iirc...)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so after assigning circles to fingers and having a knowledge of what path joins what finger I can evoke a mindset and as a phyisical prompt I will join the fingers to prompt a path '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'meh...listening.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'let me find a workable tree of life and I'll demonstrate '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually I really don't want to use a personal example so I'll use a deliberately wrong example '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have meditated on a certain symbol set that calls forward my logic capacity - (another backstory) I would like to play a game of chess with a preson - and I want to win - so I know which path I want to invokewhat circle i awnt to join to what inorder to invoke the symbol I want to resonate) '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so I touch the fingers that corospond with the circles to create the path I want to activate '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'finger magic '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Now you have defined finger magic I can confidently continue to assert that it is to all objective measures ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now we can debate psycology if you like - psycomatic response would be a start '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'psycosomatics is not proven science ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw props for debating with an idiot on merits rather than expression or elequoence too '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were you looking for "I cross my fingers and I get good luck" defence ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we live in an illusion fed to us by our interpretation of out senses '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you could have saved yourself a lot of time by replacing the entirety of the above with "placebo"'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - placebo is blanket - this is spefic '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but yes you get where I am sayin'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a theological perspective to the practice but I cannot argue that - well - we could but we'd just be tail chasing - '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imprint ans invoke a mindset is pretty basic shrinkage ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so I believe placebo way the point of contention ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's all in your head'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was *'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Exactly ! and it takes alot of work to get it there '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Can I chip in and vaguely suggest that magic is, if it is experienced and argued for its existence, a paradox?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'oh please do'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Because from what I see, it can be argued that Tzad is more versed into her practices. Assuming that she does perform such feats that are currently impractical to the rest of us, yet we see so little evidence of it, it seems comparable to the Fermi Paradox.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Look I used to hedge my bets - I know what the mind can change and so thats what magic can change - '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in defence of my psyche - I was apparently fine until they started to give me drugs - perhaps they saw things I didn't but my present state all kicked off with a bad trip and a sucide attempt - the rest his a merygoround of medication an d inept supervision/leadership'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so - in closing  - finger magic on the fly - a way of activating a mindset to deal with a situation- and no I have never used it  here - why would I ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So let me get this straight...is finger magic just a way of focusing your mind?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I propose that you have in effect explained that the term "finger magic" is a metaphor for activating an ordinary state of mind and thus, back to my original proposal, you choose "metaphor" rather than "magic"'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the level I am debating - yes '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurvey had any experience with sports shrinks ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'recalling my original proposal, "unless used in the metaphorical or artistic sense", you have just spent a long time explaining how your finger magic fits the exceptions to the proposal'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm afraid that at this level, I have to agree with Scurvy here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep me too - at this level it is nothing more than tying your boots a certain wa before a game except you have a "boot tying" ritual for every situation '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So Tzad, are you willing to give thoughts to counter Scurvy's proposal? Or will it get too personal?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'consider the applications for a religeous mind ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I look at the New Model Army, under Lord Thomas Cromwell before, for the effects of focussed minds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the level we are debating Scurvey is dead right - except I would add a range of focuses and an appreciation of their value '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I would appreciate the omission of the letter e from my character name'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Phonetics, Scurvey!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'okay skyerehn'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'appreciate that I  I'm typing with 1 finger and have to concentrate pretty hard to interact on the stuff I'm on at night - ok gimme 4 letters - or 3 as a callsign - Tz does it for me '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scur ?  is tht ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'scurv'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or Sc may do? Ah...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scur I gather you are an ahiest ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'yes but not to gregor's definition'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I missed that one but I know tthe difference between agnistic - true agnistic and pure athiest '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'to be honest I've lost interest now your finger magic is a mind trick'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'add O's where needed '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aithiest then '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You both have kinda lost what the debate started with...does Magic exist?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or have I lost you both? When it started in gossip chanel?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no no magic exists - and in the only for I was prepared to argue it in is little more than specialised physolology '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'to go further requires a religion or an appreciation of comparative religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurv - you fill either of those qualities ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you've entered the territory of "you won't understand unless you already understand", which is a stereotypical religious thing to do. I asked for a defense for the existence of practical finger-based magic involving the manipulation of the physical world in a non-physical manner and you prattled on for half an hour about jewish symbolism before eventually settling on it being a mind trick to control your fractured psyche. I'm out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes ! thats the stuff ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bow your heads in the direction of the Orbital Teapot and give me 10% of your earnings, and all will be fine and right in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You want 10% of my earnings?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren bows his hesd to the Orbital Teapot, then proceeds to get the belt and prepares to give Sonshi the pain.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you didn't specify phyisical/non you just asked me what is was - and yes my mind aint right but there are further applications to the system... TBH I have my clit n my mind to play with  and I'm bored of one already '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Take it to the curse channel lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I didn't swaer at her ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'her?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol bait ... :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You couldve been Elizabeth Swann.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jeez it'd all look better if I could type/grammar/spell/function '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Tzad, I've seen worse. Don't fret.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'debate -h is the best, sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Especially with teapots.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, Obama could be in trouble'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.infowars.com/2012/06/i/general/peers-briefing-2.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder what the estonians think of krugman...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their president certainly doesn't seem too fond of him'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/08/egypt-marchers-assaulted.html women protest against sexual harrassment and get raped by a freely roaming gang of hundreds or thousands of men'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a world leader and had a nice aresenal i would be cutting off trade with egypt until they get rid of pigs like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever religion they claim makes their actions the holy'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no immigration or travel'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause otherwise the pigs can travel and spread out, right?  they get no punishment for crimes that get punishment in their host nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stuff like that happens in the US, too.  Some lady reporter was dragged into an alley and raped by the Occupiers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, occupy wall street rapes reporters, or agent provacateur like the MI-5 in britain reports they have sex to get information and deeper into the protestors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and generally people who just like to get away with crimes sometimes in a large group of people'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this here's a group acting openly'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't have obscurity to mask their presence'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people are going to continue being whatever retardation results in overpopulation and pollutive consumption, what are the odds of future holocausts happening?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i try not to think it's possible, but i figure i'm pretending when i do'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deliberate ones or accidental?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll probably find some neccessity to profess'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sweeping blanket statements not including the administration that resulted in the outcome in it's casualty count'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'up top they tell people what tools are unquestionably a part of their lives'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and how to think etc, so i figure up top they're more guilty than the people born in their cage'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if they're allowed to survive the 'next' that they 'might' cause, then they'll just cause it again in the future, so what's the point?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accidental's just like they poisoned all the water on earth and not have to drink filtered water, but the filters cost money - which is causual'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or .. the bad placing of the nuclear reactor in japan'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'natural disaster included, that one was more accidental'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see....yes or no.....tow a jeep grand cherokee behind a 45 foot diesel rv.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see.....woohoo, a 4x4 chevy suburban...2012....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, drug addicts get $850 per month in social security payments.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if being addicted to food would count.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new 6 billion barrel oil field has been discovered in Iran, near some older fields around the iraqi-iran border.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'time to bomb iran'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'time to send all the animals in the usa's pounds into iran :P '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just airdrop a few hundred thousand pigs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iran-iraq war part II?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"flush the toilet" like cuba did to the US in th 80's ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't you hear the new legislation that congress adapted: You can only bomb countries that more than 25% of the general population can find on a map.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a guy a met was consulting pentagon. he proposed a program called "crips with air support" on april fools'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran could easily produce 10 million barrels of oil per day if they had the technology to do so, but the blockade against the country keeps the iranian production around 3 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sun Tzu warrned about gov intefering in military matters ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'good, save some for the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'supposedly there are 1/2 as many gangmembers as there are soldiers in the army'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia and India still buy Iranian oil I think ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps China too ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we used all the fossil fuel we could, we'd be up the creek anyway. Without a paddle.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're experienced in drug trade and urban warfare, so why not air drop them into afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trouble is finding a decent base load source - I vote geothermic ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran also exports some oil to turkey and a couple other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'could just crop dust heroin and other drugs onto places'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'just get the enemy hooked on hard drugs'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The funny thing I find about Iran is the bitching that the US do about nuclear weapons. Come on, the US has the most nukes of any country, wages the most war of any country, uses the most terror of any country and is the only country to have ever used nukes in war. Stfu imho!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, Russia has more nukes than the US does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of the US nukes are more than 20 years old.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better one crazy nuclear-armed state than two crazy nuclear-armed states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doesn't matter, Russia doesn't wage wars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Ranrr's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'top dog calls the shots - enjoy it while it lasts imo - the US is going down - sux to be the declining culture .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Chechnya never happened. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck yeah they wage wars, checheny, georgia'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ranrr, you're clueless'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention, Russia invaded Afghanistan long before we ever did, and created most of the problems we ended up with there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I think it was us eho created the problems.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the militants at that time were armed by the us...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the USS helped a lot by training and arming taliban'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'AK's made in afganistan are a sought after commodity '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Exscgly, sonshi..us alsso gave them training iirc'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'US even'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we helped the mullahs fight the ruskies, and then left em high and dry....we wouldnt have had to leave em high and dry if the ruskies didnt invade. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one thing is certain: western people don't get russia or russians'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fake a stolen nuke n detonate it pakistan imo - is where they still get funding imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in hindsight, might've been better to just let the russians do what they wanted in afghanistan, without intervening...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20-20 hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let them get bogged down in all the wars they can handle, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Russia may not be the nicest country, but at least they are not planning to invade Iran afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Isnt that roughly what we did to Germany? Let them alone?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, russia only invades their neighbours!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'and what is afaik? I see it so many times...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, they took Finland from us. It's ours, damn it!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt Russia could afford to do a large scale invasion on anyone unless they were neighbors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh the west has it's own problems - fingers in  too many pies atm imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. none of you seem to understand what the russians are about'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'IN the uk, that is actually literal...try the Pasty Tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And all you seem to be able to do is complain about the ignorance of others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russia *thinks* that china is on its side when it comes to the us... but that's what they want them to think... if china ever gets a missile shield...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the thing is that their country is dependant on foreign enemys. nato is #1, insubordinate satellite states #2'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, it makes more sense for Russia to get europe addicted to its natgas and other resources than to wage expensive wars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia controls resources for the reigon  -'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'exactly. it's all about resources now. mainly gas'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and since everyone is dependent on it they won't say much when you do something like invading georgia'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Let's be fair, theres got to be a war somewhere...so why not resources.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who nailed it - Tz nailed it ! " dances the dance of 10000 feathers !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's also a project called transisternia. you probably haven't even heard about that one'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would there have to be wars?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of Russia is still unexplored for natgas and oil resources, not to mention coal, diamonds, gold, copper, iron, and rare earth elements.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'transnistria?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatilisim IS war - violence is the last resort of the incompetent '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Theres a reason why Asia is so hard to dominate in a game of Risk :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, yes. different names in different languages'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren is agreeing with that Tzadkiel person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'although not maybe for the incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't seen that particular spelling before though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran will most likely export massive amounts of natgas through Russia to european markets once those new natgas pipelines to Russia are built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just finished reading Brovo two zero - mate those guys are pros ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe misspelled. tried to do esto-english conversion '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh - short sell n bomb '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and China is building a lng plant to ship tons of the gas to China and North Korea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear the estonian umemployment rate has improved greatly, to "merely mildly catastrophic"!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'china will annexx NK next imo'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'India is also a large buyer of iranian natgas, but reduced imports by 25% after the US asked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe. they say it's going down, but i don't really care'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm a freelancer and i'm doing well'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china ever gets a missile shield, I'll bet they ask the russians for their territoy back. Politely at first, then... not so politely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'territory'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'India is too disorganised and has corruption on too many levels to get it right imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'chinese are capitalists. they control mass manufacturing, why would you wage war when you have that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they already have economic control over the united states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chinese learned from the Japanese....war is archaic, business is how you win the end war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're pretty fixated on territorial integrity'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Riz nailed it imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the moment they can take back taiwan without much danger, they probably will. Same for that little bit of russia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatalism is the war now '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they can't, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt exactly cal it economic control over the US....People thought Japan had economic control also. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, some time back they fought a war with india over a few scraps of land'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we know how that ended up being.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'taiwan becomes useless when they try to take it with force'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are strong economic ties between taiwan and china. chinese produce and taiwanese are doing the engineering'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even during a large recession, the US economy keeps growing while Japan is in deflation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do I benefit from all of this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fucking that up would hurt them both and war is out of the question since the taiwanese aren't for merging'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, with taiwan, their hope is to force them into submission.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only difference is the US economy grows around 1.5% instead of the usual 4% during good times.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's boosted with chinese money :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do we all gain from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 80s it was japanese money, so what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if china wanted to destroy the states they wouldn't have to bomb them. just sell their bonds and watch it collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'First off you need a buyer of those bonds......:)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the absence of outside intervention, they could offer them two options - capitulation or destruction'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2nd, the chinese earn good interest on those safe bonds....they are not going to sell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but it's just an idea in case they wanted to fuck with the us. economic power > military'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name 1 other country that can sell china $50 billion or more each year in safe bonds ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the trick is to get strong enough that there won't be intervention'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, it's not about intervention'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably closer to $100 billion by now though.....china earns around $50 billion just in interest payments on current debt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'china and japan have 1 trillion each'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they could guarantee minimal foreign impact, there's a pretty high chance of them moving on taiwan'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And those bonds are under 2% a year now, and dropping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'china and taiwan are dependent on each other. they won't fuck with the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US treasury is considering selling negative interest bonds to some countries also.....because the demand for SAFE US bonds is so strong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's better to keep good economic relations and make money than going to war'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is restructuring its naval power to be stronger in the Pacific also. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the US will probably self-destruct without outside intervention, given enough time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can bet that's not what countries thought the last 10000 times someone went to war...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the yanks have just moved into Darwin '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and even if they were stupid enough to take taiwan with force, who would come to fuck with them? the us? no way'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont see a $14 trillion economy self destructing anytime soon....we will just re invent ourselves like we always do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all past empires have fallen. nothing different about the states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the US prices itself out of the manufacturing market through high labor costs - suck it up some ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even the process is pretty much the same it was 2 thousand years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, our economy grew 8% last year, to $1.3 trillion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at this time, yes. If they can ensure the us has other issues, and if they had strong enough domestic demand that global opinion would have minimal economic impact, they'd likely start to move.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not going to happen for quite a while yet though'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so how do we benefit from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US manufacturing is still 4x more efficient compared to any chinese factory.....and the cost savings of manufacturing in china compared to the US is dropping every year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the weaker US dollar is having an affect on the cost savings also though :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cost savings tends to drop with increases in efficiency...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're moving up the value chain'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the long run, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'add to that the rise of additive manufacturring - the US really needs to invest in it imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meanwhile china sucks Oz like an orange for raw materials and we just lap it up '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You lap it up? What you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China last year stopped exporting rare earths by 50%, and mines in the US started up again to fill in the shortage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mining jobs here are driving a 2 speed ecomony here '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, estonia became top exporter when china did that'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china discovered that the pollution wasn't quite worth the rare earths'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, china decided to use the rare earths at home, instead of seling them to other countries :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'F my degree when I get out - I alreaady hold a HR ticket - a few more and I'm on 100k+ for a few years '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you cut off exports, mines will go bankrupt, see'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Kudos tothem. Now, if only UK did the same with its NOrth Sea oil deposits..'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, because chinese factories buy up the surplus to build ipads and other products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'local market is still there and the demand is only getting bigger'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no point screwing your environment more than you need to support your own economy, at the very least'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not with the threat of civil unrest hanging over them'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are talking about China right?  They produce more coal to power dirty coal power plants, a few rare earth mines are not going to phase them in the pollution category, especially when you can use those rare earths to build wind turbines to sell to Germany, and other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's a start'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I think you mean faze'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. wind turbines are also estonian business :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes when you type quickly, I tend to mispell some words.....dyslexia in the brain you know. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You think of typing it one way, but what comes out is something different. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'omg riz uare insane ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :('
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trade u '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Lol!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think my control over my spelling was better before I started spending too much time on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my typing has improved quite a bit since I started using the net......but it has slowed down since I started playing text games. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'u want my homocidal urges or my narrcisim ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of these days I'm going to spell "definitely" wrong and flip out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, definitely is one of the words that my typing problems catches up with me on occasion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of these days u'll get ur priorities right ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Both, Tz. Is that an option? :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to have homicidal urges against cats, but then decided it wasnt for me, so I stopped.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth has just clubbed a flying donkey???!!! with a polo mallet!  Get the prozac!
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... they're building "supertrees" back home...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/08/world/asia/singapore-supertrees-gardens-bay/index.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Lol...I always chased cats...until I ran into a bulldog. After that...naaah.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do they suck up more co2 than regular trees ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'strap ur M-16 to an M-203 40 mm grenade launcher and go hard or go home  !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they're bigger. And not really trees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Someday we might be living in condos/apartments in super tall concrete and carbon fiber trees.....with shops, gardens, and places of work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we're already close'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thinking of buying a condo myself actually......'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You missed an m there...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You don't do meth, then, I presume.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no watering the grass, cutting the grass, can walk to stores, and the Dallas Mavericks are a 8min walk away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have cooked - I know the culture intametly '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, there're usually stores and stuff a few mins away'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'condo association fees are kinda annoying though, but I could get used to it I suppose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't touch drugs with a barge pole - yet I end up here with a bunch of petrol sniffers from the pit lands '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have done more drugs since I have been here than in the rest of my life !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drugs are for small brains. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren glares around him.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and other than the c ider incident they have all been prescribed '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screwing someone out of money is the best high you can have.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Debatable. For me anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not very nice...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to join my ponzi scheme ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DonkeyTrust'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Masochistic goth :/'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '...did I get my term rgiht..no...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being the second person into a pyramid scheme is often an excellent investment choice'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Skin em for all thier worth - capatalism is warfare and we are all involved'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless it collapses then'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Take whatever you can, give nothing back!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how the bitcoin ponzi is going'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'square root of the top guy's winnings without any of the legal issues :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Best high is to make THEM screw their own money out of their pockets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Pirates, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Whatever works :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'It's the closing line of the POTC At Worlds End'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the best high is a decent LSD trip - F the rest '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and put all your profits into muni bonds, so that you dont have to pay income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren offers a disco ball and lights for loan.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kicks in a blacklight n a pink floyd album'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Anyone watched the Songify Charlie Sheen?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cousin of mine does driveway resurfacing....he makes well over $850k a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Does he 'do it', or does he 'have his minions do it' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, his illegal minions do the physical work....we are not stupid. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I've got a drug, Called Charlie Sheen...it's not available...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But when he first started, yes, he did the physical work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQWszrZHBPI'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'listening now '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Yey lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Naaaw, Songify'd Charlie Sheen!!! :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'driveway resurfacing is pretty smart though, if you have a concrete driveway.....more people are setting up insurance scams and suing people after they get 'hurt' tripping on old driveway cracks, or slipper parts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Just the basic facts - can you show me where it hurts ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering the way it is set up...you are completely liable for whomever gets hurt in your property if you have neglected your property.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even if they are trespassing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'concrete driveways and walk ways are considered public'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dances with Sky '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That law is highly locale subjective'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a weird system.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'legally, you can walk up to anyones house and stand at their entrance.....but once you step on the front porch....you are tresspassing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until someone shoots you because you look suspicious, standing at their entrance'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and they go to jail, and you go to hell or the hospital, with a nice lawsuit on your side. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if it's florida!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even in florida....as long as you are on the concrete...if you step off the concrete, you are trespassing. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this case where two neighbours argues over trash, one shot the other, he claimed self-defence'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was your word against mine all the way'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(argued)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '10 hours of Charlie sheen music...hopefully its the right link...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKPCo6nF0BA'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you bring a camera with you, easy enough to claim he stepped over the boundary'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, modern forensics can easily tell where you were standing when you got shot by where the blood landed. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But anyone who walks up to someone elses home in the dark probably deserves to be shot at.....unless they have pizza of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was that case a long while back about some kid who went up to the wrong house for a party and got killed...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my dog barks at anyone who steps on my property long before I know the person is there, and I have cameras.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so when the dog barks, I check the cameras.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love dogs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home most people live in blocks of flats... so all this talk of front yards and what not feels slightly alien. heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to have two ghost shepherds, but one died.....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ghost shepherds make the best guard dog, they blend in the night quite well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Israel is sitting on top of 250+ billion barrels of shale oil......'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'invade it!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8duck'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and right under the shale oil is one of the largest aquifers in the world, and a water supply that provides Israel with 100% of its water.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er one of the largest in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... good for fracking?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, they are not using fracking in the fields...they are using a new technique....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if it works, it will open up the 2 trillion barrels of shale oil in the US to production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess they're too smart to poison themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, depends on how you look at it....the new process involves using chemicals to produce heat to melt the shale oil into a liquid that can be pumped out of the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even Jordan has about 100 billion barrels of oil shale......all these non oil producing countries have tons of oil shale.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Egypt has around 120 trillion cubic feet of shale natgas'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The USGS [U.S. Geological Survey] estimates that the Green River Formation of Colorado, Wyoming and Utah contain about 3 trillion barrels of shale oil, and about half of this may be recoverable based on current technology and technology being perfected now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the shale oil in the US was recoverable, the US could make enough money from taxes to pay off the foreign owned part of the national debt, and have about $50 trillion left over for infrastructure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If man could fly, we wouldn't need stairs'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But we dont need stairs.....:p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jet pack!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'debatable...you need a backup function'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey is chemosh or someone else with a bible handy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a guy has a bad head injury and it turns him into a musical genius.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sounds about right :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another person had a bad head injury also, and turned into a math genius......all these injuries must be unlocking potential that for some reason isnt available to most people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'kinda think it's like the savant thing... not so much unlocking as just  different wring so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wiring*'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'also people get locked into certain ways of thinking, an injury forces the brain to relearn'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are at least 30 instances of people gaining genius level abilities at things after sustaining a bad head injury.....kinda interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's at least 30 instances of people getting a lot dumber after head injuries, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not as interesting, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey now, dont you be saying bad things about the redneck race! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can't really talk.  I gave myself a head injury when I hit myself in the head with a pickleball paddle'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to be a pickleball champion !'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'luckily, it was only a plastic one'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but still split my forehead open'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need one of those head injury geniuses to gain talents in physics and engineering, and come up with a warp drive already :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ok but which head injury genius would you want? The one on the recieving end or the creator of sed head injury?:P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh dear'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul's lust for power is set to explode his fathers' movement'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what happened this time?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul came out for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul supporters are calling foul and are extremely angry,a nd rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'har har har har!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tiger, rand said his father was still #1'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he didn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did so'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just watched the interview on fox in full'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trust fox news instead of cnn'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'name one ploicy romney will change to help the working pl of the US ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's romney camp trying to co-opt the libertarian movement'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, romney was pro mccain offshore oil wasnt he?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he'll help them to better appreciate their superiors!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron's not going to denounce his son, is he? despite the fact that this is exactly what he needs to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron's in a tight spot, he either sticks to his principles and denounces his own son, or he watches his son suck up to Romney and be co-opted and destroy Ron's libertarian movement legacy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lose lose'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the libertarians will have no choice but to cut Ron loose'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole affair sniffs of infiltration and double-dealing'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legacy? You think he's interested in anything other than his own financial legacy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, not another federalist paper debate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people were led to believe so, yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo they only had one candidate - but had to go through the process anyway to get airtime '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not that it matterers imo the US is going down no matter what '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be worried not that it is going down, but -how- it will go down, and how that will affect you personally'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, the soviet union has been saying that for over 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they come after your guns, you'll know the game's up'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the fact that airport restrictions and passport restrictions effectively lock in any citizen without a passport... would affect most of us in a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going abroad wouldn't help you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing you can do at this point is get involved at a local level and resist the top down rule from washington'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'll never be able to opperate a firearm legaly - we still have a .308 SLR at home - I'll give my "ticket speach" to the cunt that says I'm not qualified to opperate it given the invasion .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why will you not legally?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts top down rule is not neccesarily more evil than a local autocracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local autocracies are much easier to dispose fo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no they're not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they are'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look at the government of chicago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about a gigantic city with fed backing'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'most u.s. cities have a form of fed backing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo all civil authorities are hamstrung by liability'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel if they exercise appropriate caution and planning there'd be fewer liabilities'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but works would cost less without such observances - is one way the developing world outpaces the developed world '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh it does, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - I forgot to add IMO'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger government is, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? so say the government of saudi arabia, which is quite small... it's then very representative?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you misunderstand'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'play with me - I may be devils advocate for fun ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're thinking about the physical size of the government, not the number of people that they report to represent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad sorry, earlier someone referred me to a satan worship site, and they dont like vampires =('
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel that site was joyofsatan.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like I give a fuk - stan can like my clit till I cum on its face imo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old Stan'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, so you're female again?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn straight                   -Stanisthelesserof 2 evils - imo- be it or do it '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, he didnt curse women with the burden of pregnancy and menstrual cycles'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but did bless them with constitution and a longer lifespan'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and multiple orgasms'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i guess it comes down to the question of whether or not chicks think they deserve the curse god gave eve, or would rather rebel against god.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Teurastaja Chemosh: 'that's where satan differs from it's worshippers, it's too proud to be abased in prostration to another being, evil snake lion or not, it sees itself as an equal creation to all with all the rights of the rest, except it sees itself as god in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh, then why do they hate vampires'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am pixles - the rest is supposition - tbh me as a bloke was never going to work -I'm not hand to mouth enough '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru bugger the bible - the current market is the comodity traded -- IMO '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel even under feudalism, a refusal to bow caused issues... '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as did VD - one behind closed doors and the other not so ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'please be more coherent when making personal attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol so z someone had to take the piss outta the initials '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't take it more personally than me including you in the melee - Oz ppl give each other shit as a form of inclusion mate '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back to sleep, the pair of you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you fucking wanker :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ur comments directed me ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ur comments directed at me ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who is throwing poo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well thats me idiot - fuckn look at me when you throw shit back :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm wearing sunday best, so i won't be throwing any'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the skin suit is all you mate - very nice - just try an anti wrinkle cream?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh soz - that was foreskin '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz are we allowed to swear on this chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'this is an xrated channel...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So I say yes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Fukin A mate ! - lol I'm canadian now :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pissin - brb'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting, they're expecting chemical weapons to be deployed in Syria on a small-medium scale'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the avg mpg of vehicles in the US has increased to 29.6 in 2011, from 19.9 in 1980, and it hovered around 20 mpg from 1980 to 2005.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'is that vehicles in the US, or vehicles made in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And by vehicles, you mean cars?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The successful construction of 351 energy projects stalled by legal and regulatory roadblocks in the US could produce an immediate $1.1 trillion boost to the economy and create 1.9 million jobs annually, according to a new study. Over 20 years, the projects would add $3.4 trillion in GDP, including $1.4 trillion in employment earnings, and an additional one million or more jobs per year'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the last time we threw open the gates to construction, we got saddled with a gigantic (at the time) debt.  I don't think that'll work this time around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've bought too many $200 toilet seats already.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One of the most surprising findings of the Project No Project inventory is that it is just as difficult to build a wind farm in the U.S. as it is to build a coal-fired power plant. In fact, roughly 45% of the challenged projects that were identified are renewable energy projects,'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you see, the treehuggers want wind and solar to be built, they just want it to be built in other countries and not the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'treehuggers don't want wind and solar. Sane people do'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Treehuggers dont need wind and solar. They already hug them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can be built in the US, just not in my back yard'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish has a very large backyard.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'Wind power is a very finacially sound investment, it only takes ~50 years to pay for itself.(assuming you don't have to do any mainenance on it)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'NIMBY has always been very powerful'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? you have to replace it every 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a pretty stupid assumption :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'so is assuming we won't find a better way of getting energy in 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already is, but governments won't invest'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's because of all this craziness that we're already having to take steps to prepare for the possible end of western civilisation in the next century.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we already figured out the best way to get energy....we just dont have the willpower to fund it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we have a YIMBY movement. Maybe you should start one too?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What is that, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal is plentiful, nat gas is plentiful, places for tidal and hydroelectric are plentiful'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no guarantee on that. Problems have turned out to be harder than initially thought...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'coal is pretty disgusting, though'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is your friend.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the commercials tell me that it's cleaner now'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be nice to have a major breakthrough there, but no one has any clear idea on how much funding is needed for that to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'cleaner than bathing in poo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm pretty sure fusion is something that is both theoretical, and even the theoretical bits require a lot of funding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal just wants some of your clean loving also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like coal, then pay your premium for having renewables and stop insisting that the rest of us pay it for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fusion is real, just look up into the sky :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the present problem for fusion power is primarily one of materials'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Sure. Application in Earth, though, is more problematic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem with fusion, of course, is that it's all very nice if you're doing it in a deep potential well... but...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the cost to build a facility with current designs far outstrips its capacity for providing cheap energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Every state should build 1 new coal plant in the next 10 years, or 2 natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fusion is decades away'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, at this point, fusion will come too late to halt the warming effects'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what warming effects?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar PV is not that far from being cheaper than all other known sources, even if you need to convert it to something else to store the power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the affect of longer growing seasons for food?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean the man-mande global warming due to co2 that doesn't actually exist?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the one you get from co2, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You realize that fusions in stars are contained by gravity? Where are you going to get the materials to contain that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Skyren: magnets'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, instead of using a grav. potential well, you can try other fields...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm trying to work with what I know..sorry for my stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is also around 1000 to a billion Earths worth of fusile material in there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a toroidal mechanism can potentially sustain continuous burning...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar + modern fission reactors should be enough for the next few 100 years, until we can get fusion to work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another approach is to whack targets with lasers'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solar is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great for desert countries on the equator and for sunny places off grid'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no good for mainstream generation'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already got it to work.  The problems have been solved, we just need to make it affordably manageable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it is, you just need some way to store it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'solar can also help directly reduce heat'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar is too small, unless you cover all buildings with solar panels....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'd be more thrilled about the prospects for fission if humans didn't consistently and wildly overestimate their preparedness for disaster scenarios'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that would cost a fortune.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Converting to hydrocarbons can be done at around 50% efficiency.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, at some point we might be able to use a solar shade...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sun gives us around 10000 times the energy we need. And if that's not enough, we can always convert the solar system to a dyson sphere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but reducing incoming sunlight would negativeness impact crops'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demand will help reduce the cost of small-scale solar and wind, but it'll never be a significant part of the energy production for at least 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal and natgas is here and now, and cheap....we need to take advantage of that, and make it cleaner as we go.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, another "dyson sphere" nutter'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by that time, we will have figured out how to make real sunlight come out of light sockets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That was a joke, in case you did not realize.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Fluoroscopy is here now and cheap, but it's not the sort of thing you say "we can just make it safer as we go!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, a devestating bioplague may have wiped out 99% of the population by then anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, there're no more feasible paths to reducing our emissions enough to avoid some level of disaster'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Messrs Kissinger and Rockefeller get their way, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what kind of disaster would that be?  A doubling of the co2 in the atmosphere is not a disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You sure?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that case, we have no problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's nice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's going to get pretty hot...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'resource scarcity is a genuine problem'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could increase it by 8x todays level and be as warm as it was a few million years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'give the people a button to push, and they will irresistably push it.  All you have to do is clearly lay out the rewards and consequences.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a sudden change in temperature will make it harder for ecosystems to adapt'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Replace million with 100 million, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it won't be sudden.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do not think to lecture mother earth, she always adapts'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not like it will instantly go from normal to 8x normal....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'historically, except for rare cases tied to extinction events, temperatures don't change this fast'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Co2 levels have never been this high since mammals evolved. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and of course, coastal cities are going to get screwed unless they can build barriers quickly'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house is 800 feet above sea level.....you could melt all the ie on the bloody planet and the ocean and I would still be 600 feet above sea level!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'next time dont spent so much money for oceanside real estate!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you melt all the ice in antarctica, I believe sea level will rise about 1km. Not sure about that number tho.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be a significant drop in fertility of humans over the next 50 years, especially in africa/middle east'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure about that, Ranrr?  Mammals lived with the dinosaurs, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr beams a smile at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr beams a smile at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even survived the Chixulub event.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, some of the people that make stuff that you use aren't living more than 10m above sea level, I bet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure they did. 5000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mammals were eaten by the dinosaurs.....that asteroid is what allowed mammals to inherit the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'god put bones in the ground to test your faith'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sea won't rise 10m overnight'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it amuses me when they build vast housing estates on river flood plains and then be shocked when, with torrential rain, the area floods'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like 'hello, paging dumb fucker, that's what flood plains for...''
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Come to England. We got news from Wales of four caravan parks flooded by non stop rain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, skyren, that's what prompted the comment'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah. Havent been following completely'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he's already in England ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming is a myth.....use more coal!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it could be worse, the vast ocean of water underneath the continents could spring a leak and cause the continents to sink.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hello south-east of england, you've got the lowest rainfall in the country with a history of water shortages in adverse weather, let's build a shit load of houses there too, over the course of 100 years, then wonder why they have chronic water shortages'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'coal is a myth, I don't see any in front of me'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Sorry, we at the museum used up ours. Do you think we could borrow some more from the National Museum?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about build a pipeline from the wet part to the dry part ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or would that be to much common sense ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was reccommended after the great drought of 1976'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what happened'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I love how resources are in north, but demand is in south. Always the way in UK from what I see.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, I don't believe there are water shortages anywhere, because I have plenty of water here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What happened? I've only been in Uk for a short while...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing happened'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Three cheers for non-ideal governments! Hip hip...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, same with Las Vegas.....the north of Nevada gets 50 inches of rain a year, while the south gets under 5'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but how long that would take is also not precisely known, and could take a long time. The question is, how much would photosynthesis change if you increase the co2 concentration?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, well the english government is as unrepresentative and gives the illusion of choice, works in the interests of the global elite. It's like the American government except that at least they have a constitution that they keep tripping over and the threat of 800 million guns in the hands of it's citizens'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'las vegas wants to build a pipeline from the north to the south to provide water, but idaho and the north nevadans are fighting it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 22 of those guns.....*peer*'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why do they need water, 50 million years ago there was no water there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I know. I envy America for actually having politicians that get out there and actually work to serve the country, and are in the government. I dont hear of anyone like that here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, death valley and southern nevada was most likely underwater a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Knowing what happened...from UK. What do you think you would choose? 50:50 conservative:lib-lab coalition or the present govt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you miss the bit about an illusion of choice?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a shallow inland sea, then the mountains blocked off the rain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no difference'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you only have 2 parties to choose from?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not strictly speaking'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but effectively'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in england, the commie party is actually the capitalist party, and the liberal party is actually the conservative party, and so on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US only has 2 real parties, but 2-3 other minor parties.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'See...I have been swayed. Meh...Thats why I didnt choose to go for politics.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greens, libertarians, and the socialist'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could always vote for the pirate party, that's what all the 1337 kids do nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cower in fear as Skyren prepares to unleash another meaningless barrage of d00dspeak.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you have one in the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BNP'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parliamentary system here pretty much excludes minor parties'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by desgin'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... how much is the piratenpartei or whatever it's called polling now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would it involve deporting 5 million illegals back to africa ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is probably a racist party as well....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BNP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'YEP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have one in sweden, unfortunately...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bnp are just a protest party, vote ukip'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you feel voting is even relevent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You know what, I had to debate FOR BNP once...an impromptu debate, and ironic - I'm Asian by origin.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote for sale, highest bidder take it all!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'asian? -- use japanese logic'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mongol ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Go "ayayayayayayayay---die!" and bomb the Parliament. Long live f'd up chaos.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Not my idea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Skyren, that outburst may get you jailed if you are in Britain England'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah ok. Me shuts up now. But in honest truth, I just wish thd government is something you can trusy on. Thats all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are known liars, they should not be trusted, they are not your friend'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're family!  Theyre' called Big Brother for a reason, you know.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Govt was never meant to be trusted, it was meant to spend your money and lie to you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '...Families dont go spying in bathrooms. If the govt wants to, they will.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of big brother, govt is more like an ex wife.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than that, it's illegal for people to do it, why do governments think it's allowed for them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you must've have a very tame family, Skyren.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or maybe I'm not in a family of perverts :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Gaah...bad image.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's also illegal to shoot someone in the head.  You're not exactly going to rage on the police officer who just shot some dude with a knife coming after you, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You're not allowed to cary a plank and walk in the streets of London.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Solution: Be a plank.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there should be no different rules for cops as for people'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are people'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bobbies are not cops.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should be able to charge your landlord rent!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'landlords should be able to boot your ass out for any reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps being a landlord should be illegal'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, a whole bunch of telecoms equipment made in the china and sold to the US has backdoors for the chinese intelligence servies to use for the purposes of spying'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the stuff they use for sensitive purposes is surely made in-country...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about misreading into the "backdoors"...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'blown quite out of proportion...the backdoor was in the spec sent by the US company to the manufacturer in China, not something the Chinese snuck in'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't make it any less of a back door'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does make it not what you claimed it to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What if the US company was run by the Chinese? o.O'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, can't even trust your own companies these days...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but maybe you never could...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was debug/test mode'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'deemed too expensive to build a version of the chip with it enabled to test with and another version of the chip without it, for production...it's the same thing as the reset button on your router at home'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no need since they record everything you do, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that got him :-) )'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists at Princeton University were able to achieve major gains in light absorption and efficiency of solar cells after being inspired by the wrinkles and folds on leaves. The team created a biomimetic solar cell design using a relatively cheap plastic material that is capable of generating 47 percent more electricity than the same type of solar cells with a flat surface.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A mortgage firm backed by a number of prominent West Coast financiers is pushing local politicians in California and a handful of other states hardest hit by the housing crisis to use eminent domain to restructure mortgages that borrowers owe more money on than their homes are actually worth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they want government to take our mortgages?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much, and then the mortgages would be sold to hedge funds and other investment products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so would that mean we still have to pay them down?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but at a reduces value'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would get to stay in your house with a new valuation and a lower payment, and the state makes some money, as do the investors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wonder what the catch is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only ones that lose money would be the banks who drag their feet on redoing the mortgages in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the plan is to force banks to redo mortgages quicker.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reasoning is that the original creditors have already lost money on it, and the loss is priced into the loan's market value. So by restructuring it, you can do it in a way that no one actually loses'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and government always does things transparently and exactly how they say.  I can't afford to buy your bridge, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thats ok, I already sold the bridge to fannie mae.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The results could be entertaining. The week after the writing test mess, the department sent out a media advisory announcing the next round of test scores. It was titled  and you cant make this stuff up  "Department of Eduation to Release Reading and Mathmetics Results." "'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'microsoft's making a patent to tailor advertisements to a person's emotional state, isn't that odd?  the engineering of consent to a new invasive level, they'll monitor your search queries, facial expressions on captured video and photographs, vocal discussions over the internet and other stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Zany. Never thought MS and Sony would get into an adwar of this stripe'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Last Moment Robot includes a monitor that displays the message "End of life: detected" and an arm-like apparatus that caresses the individual's arm while in the bed. http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/06/last-moment-robot-will-guide-you-through-to-your-death.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this one's pretty odd too, but not quite as odd i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how it'll work out in some european places where their language makes them sound like they're angry when they're not'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if it's really true that we vote based on our prejudices or not.  According to http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/comes-politics-more-racist-think-185600847.html if Obama loses just 2 percentage points he's a third less likely to win the popular vote.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'teens snorting drugs for exams with approval of parents'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/education/seeking-academic-edge-teenagers-abuse-stimulants.html?src=me&ref=general'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '""Once you break the seal on using pills, or any of that stuff, its not scary anymore  especially when youre getting As," said the boy who snorted Adderall in the parking lot. He spoke from the couch of his drug counselor, detailing how he later became addicted to the painkiller Percocet and eventually heroin."'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would anyone want to buy a gamer pc?  Do people still play games on a pc ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'more importantly, does any game even NEED a gamer PC anymore that isn't a tech demo?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wil: 'are you kidding me? the PC is still an awesome gaming platform'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'if you bought a $3000 rig five years ago, you can now get something better off any old computer store's shelf for $600'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'armer rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'throw on another $200 for a nvidia and you're set'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'i speak from experience :{'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it seems a lot gamer pcs are around $1000 now...and have 16 gigs of ram.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 gig video cards'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why not just cluster a bunch of old 30$ throwaway machines'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'space I reckon'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've got space.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hmm, would save money until you get your power bill :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fates, electric is free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the consoles are better performance/price cause they are not meant for direct profit ive heard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'heat the place year round too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'not the PS3, though most of that cost/power is wasted on DRM-related checks and other nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fates, not sufficiently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adding the blueray capability to watch movies on the ps3 was a bad idea....my ps3 died after 1.5 years. :('
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'armer with a decent xen system you could make the windows system think it was the only machine, even while using the extra resources accross the lan'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'it is quite weird. europe is generally a darn cool place and have only a few places that sucks. yet. the word "euro" should be a sum of all the stuff happening in Europe, it is a shit word for all the crap that happens here. that bugs me. '
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hah, the evil countries are trying to wrestle control of the internet from the US.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nobody has control of the interwebs'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And at the same time the US wants to demolish it entirely'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"Your First Amendment rights can be terminated," yells the Chicago police officer, caught on video right before arresting two journalists outside a Chicago hospital.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'old news'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so was your mom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, and another of obama's renewable energy companies is going out of business......his renewable energy fund loaned $237 million to build a lithium ion battery factory in michigan, the factory was almost built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, businesses never collapse, something must be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'how did batteries qualify as a renewable energy source :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'solar and wind I can see batteries charge off those damn coal plants :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt the business, it is the industry....unless you put tons of tariffs on south korean and chinese imported batteries, american made batteries cannot compete except with huge govt loans.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the batteries were supposed to go in a new generation of american built electric cars that didnt happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also didnt help that the batteries overheated and had to be recalled in the few vehicles that did use them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How much ram does your pc have ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, coal power has dropped from 51% of US power production in 2008, to 40% of power production this year......burn more coal!'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas and wind has dropped the coal %.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Power plants that burn coal produce more than 90 times as much sulfur dioxide, five times as much nitrogen oxide and twice as much carbon dioxide as those that run on natural gas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good to see market forces reducing the amount of coal that is burned for power in the US....keep the bloody govt out of business.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Regulation needs to be kept at a minimum so that business is not dampened or stopped altogether.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}offline from 23:00:00 on June 12th through 06:35:54 on June 13th
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 in 5 homes in the US has high levels of radon.....You should get checked.....High levels of radon is like breathing in 5 packs of cigarette smoke each day, and doubles your chances of getting lung cancer which kills 21,000 people each year from radon exposure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, made the mistake of looking at a cancerous lung of a smoker......'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, stealth sanctions! "The United States extended exemptions from its tough, new sanctions on Iran's oil trade to seven more economies on Monday, leaving China the last remaining major importer exposed to possible penalties at the end of the month." -Reuters'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'zombies'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Should zombie on zombie crimes be tolerated?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how many iraqi dinar should you buy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How many Iraqui I should by dinner for?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buy*'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of them, get to it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, all 3 of them left :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if it helps, I hear iraqi food is pretty good'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but there are no Irquis left to cook it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Iraquis*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Scientists urge Rio moves on population and consumption http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18422619 If the billion poorest people are to have adequate access to food, water and energy, the academies say, developed countries will have to reduce their own consumption of natural resources.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of this?  in developed countries there's poor people too, who watch the fat-cats eat for free and at great luxury their whole lives'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( can you spell F-A-T C-H-A-N-C-E? )
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like it's the same in undeveloped countries, should places that have ample resources to sustain themselves, human and otherwise 'made in china' consumer products'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have to lower their standards to that of a 3rd world country like africa which lives on fertile land but doesn't provide for itself?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they have some unsustainable breeding habits?  the population of china fits into a land the size of saskatchewan and alberta for instance'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should canadians have their quality of life diminished because of places like that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'euthanize, I say!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should replace the fat-cats or add a larger variety of thinkers to their group who aren't all-set on them above all else'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of these people at this meeting are filthy rich and plan to stay that way whatever they enforce on the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, the never to suggest distribution of wealth!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nerve*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you guys gonn make me fart on the debate channel again huh?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'peoples actions are results of their thoughts, and thoughts and behaviours are largely handed down by the government, who's the peak of society'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if population number's and stuff's a problem, why don't they replace the failure that resulted in the problem, after it's concluded that people didn't choose all their evil choices by their own free will?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about peak. Government rule by the gun, and many of their gun carriers have trouble tying their shoes without watching the video first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So you are suggesting to remove the government to stop the population problem?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that would be impossible wouldn't it?  reworking it to think of efficiency and perfection instead of itself sounds good though, as long as it's justified in the land where it's enforced'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't eat because we have to feed china doesn't sound very much like a justification does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think government should be removed on general principles...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And if we didn't feed China (through trade), do you think that they would trade with us?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as in "who the fuck do they think they are?" Their shit stinks more than mine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I agree that (I assume you are talking about the U.S.) the government is not what it needs to be, but as it stands, it provides many needed functions to ensure society doesn't break down.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i got no problem with people people eating, they have to eat, and i don't agree with genocide, but eventually making populations into thinking groups of non-promiscuous animals who comprehend the consequences of overpopulation and things like that, would overall raise the morality of the world i think'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am allergic to being ruled. Ask my parents :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also be democratic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they'll ever get past the greedy people who run it though, there's not much chance of that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anarchy is underrated.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, everyone should have the capacity to understand the principles of overpopulation.  The problem is, no one is there to *teach* them that they shouldn't overpopulate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, also, to give them the ability to not overpopulate other than abstinence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contraception costs money. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'decimator, oh come on, most of the jerks preaching overpopulation dont contribute to society anyways, they just spend money and whine'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rats know the principle of overpopulation without being taught. When they the population gets too big, they begin to exterminate each other until matters are under control again. There is no need for a degree in sociology to solve the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, I'm not talking about them, am I?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I am referring to those people who actually wish to solve the problem by educating others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or through other methods, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can educate all you want, but the hormones that cause people to want to procreate have a tendency to override reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, I'm just saying, there are a fair number of people who would prefer to stop already but lack the ability.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, that's not what happens.  What happens is the rats run into a large resource overconsumption which results in large deaths of many of them, until the resources return to sustain the population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they eat each other, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'very efficient way to contro overpopulation :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Hmm, I'll take your word for it.  But humans will probably run into a resource deficit before we start mass genocides.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'control*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'At least in the U.S., Britain, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Perhaps elsewhere they may start, but probably not in more democratic nations, I wouldn't think so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think maintaining glamourous illusions like hollywood programs into peoples minds is more important than maintaining people's conception of reality and that the glamourous lifestyle's only good as long as it doesn't remove the real'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did you call what happen at Wounded Knee, what happened in India, Africa, and the Americas under European colonization? A very crude campaign of eugenics, to be sure, but effective as hell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was an article on aljazeera about a japanese community who's independent lifestyle saved alot of them from being swept away, while it was frowned upon by the government, who prefers to handle all the basic considerations of survival for it's people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just that's what i noticed about it, yeah they got a point there i thought, most people looked devastated and lost, panicked without self-direction and scrutiny, not being consumed by lies is a good way to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Europeans set out to wipe out native populations so they could spread to the new lands.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I doubt during a war that they were concerned about population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some of the video's i seen'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lebensraum'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, war is about profit and the easiest way to make a profit is to wipe out the population of the target land and take what's left behind. Oh, but leave some bodies live so that they can clean the toilets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's why some people don't reproduce, they see how evil the world their government rules over is, even by it's own hand, how they let invaders through the economic policy's and things like that, and they don't want their children to be at the mercy of them in the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also how the law will allow criminals off the hook based on money and loophole technicalities that are honored over rational judgement'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If I recall though, the population growth of several developed countries is already at the slow-growth or no-growth range of the spectrum.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Chemosh, anyone who can reproduce will try. I worry about those who fight their hormones. Those facial tics scare me a lot. Especially when I see them walk into a McDonalds...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in many european countries it's in the negative-growth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Exactly, and as the other nations become more developed, I believe the growth there will slow down as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has been decreasing. actually, one of the biggest things that slows growth (iirc, the class was a LONG time ago) is increased education and job opportunities for women.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that has nothing to do with enlightenment, that is probably caused by low testosterone or estrogen. That doesn't stop them from mating :) In fact, that's one of the solutions to may fly infestation, flood them with sterile males :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I said a while ago.  If you educate the population, they will reproduce less frequently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That usually happens on a class basis Majic, it is very rarely a broad spectrum trend'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, I believe the trend has been downwards around much of the world recently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'female's seem to be some of the most irrational people on earth, how concerned they are about how they look above all else'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some males are feminine, even if they're sterotyped as the epitaph of masulinity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and culture tries to be like their idols'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It makes sense if you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the upper and middle classes, more than likely. Immigration of the lower class is burgeoning in developed countries, however'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because every female acts the exact same way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there might be some local downtrends, but the imperative to procreate is not something to turn off by reading Descartes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you educate them about the right things...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, come to think about it. I think I would not want to procreate after reading Descartes :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if you were conditioned from birth to be nothing but physically attractive,  you'd probably be concerned abou tit as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'procreation has nothing to do with attractiveness in that sense, Averan. Procreation is the strongest drive of any living being, and humankind is no exception.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the need to keep the race going is paramount.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'ah, I was replying to the guy who called women irrational for being concerned about their appearance'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I should have been more clear'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know a fair few who aren't very concerned, and quite a lot of others who are only concerned at some times (i.e. date night)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'trust me, when the hormones flow, the ugliest being in the world will look like a model :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, there is a difference between continuing the race and letting it grow out of proportion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Decimator. But what keeps the race going also causes it to overgrow.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you ever watched a plague of locust?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will devour everything in sight until there is no more food, then they die of starvation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Humans don't have a need anymore to very heavily procreate.  In additions, humans have had the capability to stop procreation entirely in a variety of ways, if they so choose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I said before.  Overpopulation leads to a resource deficit, which then leads to mass death.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh? Really, we lost the genetic imperative? How? By reading Descartes or Kant?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'By informing people that if the current growth of humans continues, there will be a mass disaster due to overpopulation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you have never been a teenager. Nothing but walking hormones bent on procreation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't really motivate people. what motivates people is 'if i have more babies, i can't do fun stuff' which in turn requires fun stuff to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will believe that less than they believe in global warming, Decimator.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the people I know who are planning on not procreating are doing so because they don't feel the need for a kid and think it'd tie them down. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's true already, Majic. People no longer have 15 or 20 kids, they only have 2 or 3, on the average.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course. which slows growth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's proof that people understand. There is a natural order to things. The reason they had 15 or 20 was because the population was low, now that it is high, they only have 2 or 3. Some day they will have less than 1. But we are not there yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Whereas, in some areas of the world, people are still having over 5?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, also, lesser ability to control reproduction, earlier transition to adulthood (if you're 30 and living in your parents basement, you don't want to procreate yet)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the us's rate is about 2.05 now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You want global control of the birth rate, that's not going to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that in some isolated village people should stop having children because China  is overcrowded.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It's gotten to the point that globalization has taken over this aspect too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so again, you want some controller to tell you when to get laid, good luck to you I am leaving.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Not that, simply to educate them, and through education, they will see why they would need to get birth control of some sort, or not have as many children.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can see why you need to get it and still lack the ability'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I sure as hell don't want some jerk to tell me to put a clamp on it then goes and finds him so skirt to do him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially in certain countries where the catholic church is extremely influential in government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, Majic, and provide it to them cheaply, or free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hindus are not catholic...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, so you don't think that we have ways to still enjoy the pleasures without having to have children?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, i didn't say hindus were catholic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and nods deci, cheap/convenient/easy to use control would help a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I'm not saying "no sex", I am saying reduce the offspring.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'THROUGH birth control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially control that doesn't depend on both partners being willing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'As I've said, Decimator. People are already doing that, the birth rate has been falling for the last 100 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But globally?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Globally it isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes it is. if you look at the TFR for the whole world, it is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's projected to cap out in ~50 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not globally. People don't live that close together. Remember the rats.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'at about 9b people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then I'll gladly quiet up about this, I guess it isn't a problem at all then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Look at it this way. A natural disaster in an overpopulated area reduces the population accordingly. Eventually, nature will take care of itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is a problem. but it is also dropping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well it's still a pretty significant problem, but 9b is within the possible realm of supportable population on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's pretty much the upper limit though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'An earthquake in Los Angeles *might* kill 1. An earthquake in China might kill 100000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it has.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's natural population control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, technically speaking, a natural disaster isn't tied to the size of the population, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but the number of people killed by it would be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say it was, but the results are still there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, but within a given timeframe, the deaths are proportional to the potential offspring that could be provided in the area, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure you consider your lifespan as significant, but by the Earth clock, is only a few ticks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And yet in the short time humans have been on the Earth, what all have we done?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'eventually the Earth will restore itself, somehow. As if the people don't get on with the program they will be wiped out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'We've invented cheese.  I think that's a mighty fine accomplishment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'created art, technology, broadcasted a signal into the stars that will carry on forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'also explored other planets'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think that the current life cycle is the only one ever to exist on the planet? Life has been wiped out many times before our current stage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I mean, given our short time on earth, as a race...we still have accomplished much, and also we have scarred the Earth significantly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but we're also slowly learning to be less dumb'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we're just children at this point'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a self-tribute which is rather meaningless since you don't have another race to compare it to :) You can't say, look what he have done! In less time than the Martians, no less!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'for example rates of violent crimes have been going down since we started measuring them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no way to say one way or another whether we have accomplished anything significant or not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we've managed to not kill ourselves off with nukes for a few decades more than anyone thought we would manage'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'My main point is what we have done to the earth. You make it sound as if humans are insignificant, yet we have scarred the Earth in more ways than one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the fact that there is crime makes me think that we are not that far along.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'compare to the Universe as a whole, humans ARE insignificant.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'of course we're not anaristos, the first thing I said was that we're still children'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but by all metrics we're getting better slowly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, ok, but neither is a solar system or a galaxy compared to the Universe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'our metrics, we calibrate the scale and proclaim victory!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so I mean, instead of focusing on the negative and questioning why the human race should even exist, I choose to look forward and work towards something better'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't question our existence :) I question the continuation of said existence :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Unles we can learn to breathe vacuum, we are in for a rude ending.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'breathe... vacuum?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And I think, given the right techniques, that we will continue for quite a while, barring some natural cataclysmic event.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we're always in for a rude ending unless we colonize other planets. even then, eventually the universe will run down and die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes, so we can move this plague of locust to another planet :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Heat death.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine, humanity devouring the galaxy...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'galaxy*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think people should be allowed to colonize other planets until this one is respected, what if there's life on them and it's respected as much as it was here?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Eww, what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Sorry, don't know what I was thinking there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably end up with the same ignorant ogliarchal hierarchy in outer space'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that won't happen, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'even getting people to live on the moon or mars is absurdly difficult'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Given the chances of life on other planet, it will probably be very far away from our solar system and galaxy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we won't have to worry abou the morality of extrasolar exploration for a long, long time'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If there are others out there, they are going to view humanity as an infestation. Maybe they will take care of the overpopulation problem for us :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'You sound almost as if you want it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'fucking art and music creating bacteria'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'kill 'em all'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if we don't get to it soon, Averan. We won't get to it at all. We won't last that long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I simply dont' agree with your pessimism sorry'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what exactly is going to kill us off?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we'll run out of resources to get us there in the first place, more liekly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Bacteria, lack of resources, natural disasters...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'natural disasters won't ever end the race'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'false.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'There has been evidence of world-wide, huge disasters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly could. big-ass asteroid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well events like giant-asteroid happen on a scale of millions of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm willing to take odds that we'll be able to deal with it, by the time it happens'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said 'won't ever''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's different than taking odds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'touche, I spoke wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will agree, though, that the probability is low.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Isn't there an astroid that may hit the earth within the next couple of hundred years?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's one that's going to come really close in like 2040 or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'apophis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but the trajectory has been calculated pretty accurately now, chances of it hitting are close to 0'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's going to make a great spectacle though as it flies across the sky'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only consolation is that outer space will be ruthlessly imposing its own population control. It will sit and wait for the little mistake... :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I mean things like global warming, resource scarcity are what we should be talking about if we want to talk about possible ends of the species'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'And on the news tongiht, a micro meteorite perforated one the domes on Mars, 20000 dead. News at 11.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'those aren't a, "Maybe it'll happen" Scenario they're a, "Will it be 20 or 100 years before it hits" scenario'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we live that long :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, it's better than dying out completely, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you still haven't even said what you think is going to kill us in the next few decades'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, well, I don't want to sound glum :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>don't want to sound glum'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But about nuclear weapons, I doubt that will happen, due to MAD.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'instead you'll just make some prophetic hand-waving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I believe that humanity will survive. I just fill sorry for the Universe because of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you never know. there might be even worse alien races.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'As I said, consider us a plague of locust.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And since you think that way, why don't you just take us all out anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, tempting :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You think that because I don't have a rosy opinion of humanity that there is something wrong with me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think it's just an easy opinion that a lot of people take up knee-jerkily without investigating'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you seem to wish for humanity what you claimed was intensely unnatural for humans to wish -- that is, cessation of reproduction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact is, that humans are terrible to the Earth and terrible to each other. I won't even mention how they are toward women and children :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So "humans" are only males then, and women and children are of a different race?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, cession of procreation is against human (or any living organism's) nature.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'both women and children suck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and you'll ignore everything I've said about how we've improved in every time period'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was a joke, Decimator :) Haven't you eve read Gargantua?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we came from apes, and we're moving on to something better than human'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt that, Averan. For mutations to occur you must have unbridled procreation :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we have brains'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'We could make our own genetic variation, now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'brains allow evolution that isn't biological'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, more than that, for beneficial mutations to be selected for you need something culling the slow and weak.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we're culturally and technologically evolving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or just some bioengineer designing a new gene that will provide benefitial effect "xxx".'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would favor that. But those who have no qualms about dropping tactical weapon of crowded locales balk at genetic engineering...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yet research on the subject is still continuing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we could make a lot of strides even if we could find a way to choose which of the zillion sperm cells gets there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(i.e. genetic analysis)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we don't even need to biologically evolve, as we're culturally and technologically evolving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for one, we could get rid of diseases like cystic fibrosis in a couple of generations.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and that's a vastly more powerful tool'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the research should have been finished by now, but the threat of burning at the mythical stake has  slowed it down considerably.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yes, and a couple of centuries from now, everyone will be rosy with it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'The same thing happened with science in general.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine where we would be know if Galileo had not been threatened? If scientists of the area didn't have to scurry around with their research? Same thing is happening now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'era not area :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ah.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're complete misinformed'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'yes I am.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's massive amounts of all kinds of genetic research done everywhere around the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure I am. I will go to my doctor and ask him to clone me a new leg, get rid of this LCS problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yeah, no one knows how to clone legs yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'america dropped the ball for a bit, but that's a normal part of science'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'it isn't like they know how to and are just not doing it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'They just haven't found a method yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'lots of other countries have screwed up their research in certain areas due to politics and bounced back'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, not so that they cut the one you have now and put the new one on. Or better yet, have you grow a new one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Erm, isn't that what I just said?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I read that as "science doesn't match up with my wild fantasies!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Of course they have, Averan. That was my point. But my question is where would we be if the assholes in power kept their grubby little hands off research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, we have functional human ears off the backs of pigs...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a decade or so ahead of where we are now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'in one field of science'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think you're over-reacting'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the hypocrisy here is that they only allow research that profits them. After the ninja scientists figure out how to do cloning for profit, the politician will jump on the bandwagon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'science (especially biological) is a slow, tedious business'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I'm a ninja. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And until then, the scientists will continue researching.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not that slow, though I grant it is tedious.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'science is also a very expensive process, the money has to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, we should spent 250K a day in Iraq, but not on science.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I doubt the gov has completely shunned science...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, science that benefits the miliary moves along without hindrance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So you don't believe genetics can benefit the military???'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: '...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>make sweeping comments about humanity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>narrowly focus criticism on a single country'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and I'm out'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine the government putting as much effort into cloning research as they did on the Manhattan project...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what's true here is true elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'spending money to protect science and keep sciencing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as they make a profit, sure :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Fine, Anaristos, you design a utopian, communistic state that actually works and will study all fields of science equally...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aviation science has grown by leaps and bounds, for instance? Do you think that's because governments wanted better transportation for the people?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think one of the reasons they keep their grubby little hands on research as justification to themself is problems like overpopulation and who care's if they die if they don't know we're causing it, they're too irrational to comprehend democratic decision making as a society so we have to do that for them, it's not like it's as bad as some of the other population control that's happened in the past - but i think it would still be better if government took peoples minds off illusions long enough to stimulate their understandings of the problems that cause grubby little hands to feel justified where they are, and then democratically consider the situations at large - this reminds of the good shepherd 'led like sheep to the slaughter''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'civilian aviation use the hand-me-downs from military aviation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think strangely though, i just don't comprehend most people who value living as choosing suicidal decisions when alternatives exist, which might be a little more inconvenient but not neccessarily'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, in general, that is true for all the science that ends up generating consumer products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, in order to reject suicide you must value life, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, you design a better way to do it, and make it work, if you consider bashing the way things are done now (even though flaws are in the way it is now).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hey, just because I am not an automotive engineer doesn't mean I can't tell wether a car is good or not :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'No, I mean about the scientific process in the U.S. in general.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you don't think that it should go military to civilian over time, then design a state in which all branches of science are studied equally and are released to the public immediately.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not significant enough to impact the process. I chose not to participate in funded projects where the paymasters had a separate agenda.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Scientists tend to turn a blind eye to the outcome of their research. Again, I point to the Manhattan project where they blithely went along with a project which resulted in the death of over 200K people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then don't do it, but there are tons of other scientists that would.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely. There is no whore like a scientific whore :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'The way I see it, either a) do what they tell you, b) don't do it, and complain about what happens as a result of the people that do, or c) design your own method, which others will follow, that does what you want it to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'For option C, however, you need $.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do what they tell you? So you think that a great scientist should take directions from a jerk that graduated from Noname U with a 2.0 average?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I gave you a choice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you didn't answer the question :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Never said I agreed with any one of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But if the scientist can't find funding, then they either must take directions from the 2.0 GPA or starve.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is the whole problem, scientific research is lead, not by scientists but, by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with science. So the best one can expect is some corrupt outcome.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then get a lot of cash, and run a team of scientists yourself to get unbiased outcomes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, there is no whore like a scientific whore :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a scientist will kill his mother for a research grant. Scientists, as a group, have no principles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, if you don't wish to do that, I don't see anyone else who will work for free, especially someone who could be hired by a company for a very high price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you don't like the way it is, change it.  But don't complain for complaints sake.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, I like your attitude. Instead of changing the system so that it works properly, you want does under the system to comply or walk :) You bring honor to the plague of locusts :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'does = those*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Fine, get rid of the entire system and make a new one, but that would be IMPOSSIBLE>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Thus I am suggesting the only option that could work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you want me to blithly spit out fanciful nonsense without regard to reality...I can do that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be difficult. It would require scientists to stop being whores. Once scientists refuse to be bought, change can be brought about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you dangle a dollar in front of scientist and he will roll over and play dead for you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But you must get a majority of scientists to do that, and someone to fund them.  The scientists have to eat too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Its like the whole idea of programmers doing what the CEO wants.  The CEO gives the programmers what they need to survive, so the programmers will be fairly loyal to the CEO, for example.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are too modern :) In the past, many of the scientists consider crucial to us today didn't do research as a means to support themselves, they had other occupations and did research on their own.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I'm only thinking in terms of how the world is today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me point out that Einstein was a patents clerk when he developed the special theory of relativity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ben Franklin lived off the fruits of his plantation :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I realize that, but one must be proficient in both science (which may or may not require a Ph. D or Masters, at least, no?) and whatever profession they have to support themselves (which also may require a degree).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And also the mindset to do science for free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Einstein had a PHD (or the equivalent) but he realized that he had to eat, so he got a job. He didn't look for a way to make money off his training. People just didn't do that, not as a rule, anyway. Now, people go to school just so that they can become paid researchers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, like I said, someone also must have the mindset to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is sparse nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So I doubt your idea will come to fruitation soon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure. But research as a career is not necessary for scientific breakthroughs.  In fact, I think it hinders said breakthroughs because many of the discoveries and inventions of the past were labors of love, something a paid researcher will tone down as much as required to get his paycheck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of them were more accessible in the past.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I never claimed it was.  But it is nigh impossible to see someone with a Ph. D or Masters in their field to not get paid for it, and instead work at job "xxx" while they perform highly costly research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'In this time period, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, much research requires expensive equipment which simply isn't affordable as a 'labor of love''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Also, some of the breakthroughs back then could also be performed without much cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's modern attitude, Decimator. You can have a PHD in Physics and work elsewhere. It is only in modern times that people insist in working in the field they studied in school. Had this been the attitude of the past, there would have a lot less scientific breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Curie was a doctor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Oh my gosh!  I just said that it was according to a modern view of society.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, a lot of heads of state would pay researchers anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I never said "this was they way they did it", I am saying "this is the way the do it currently".'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you may be able to work elsewhere, but you won't be able to afford expensive equipment and you likely won't be able to afford 40+ hours a week in addition to 40+ hours a week on your regular job.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, the low-hanging fruit has already been plucked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I've been trying to say.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Except for that last statement.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Majic. But now, not only do they pay but the insist on what has to be developed. Past heads of state just let the scientists loose. Now, they have to deliver a guidance system and not concentrate on anything else that has no bearing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, and it would be nice if they didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but very damn few people can afford to do any sort of real science as a labor of love at this point. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But as I said, there's no concievable way to do that now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator noddles in total agreement at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that was what brought so many breakthroughs. the fact that the researchers just roamed around the scientific landscape looking for something new.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And also that these breakthroughs could be performed with minimal cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and how many breakthroughs weren't made because someone had more stuff to do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fermat, for example, was an absolute genius and one of the last great mathematicians to have his mathematical work as a primarily amateur sideline to his real career. imagine if he'd had the time to put into his math. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if your job, with your shiny PHD, is just to develop a component for a targeting system. You are hardly going to have a chance to discover whether gravity is a quantum effect.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you may, but it is doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler burps loudly.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Fart'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler accidentally poops in his own shoes.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And if you can't get money to pay for the shiny equipment to discover if grravity is a quantum effect, or be able to earn money to support yourself, you won't figure it out either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but can you afford AArd gear?!  thats the real question'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator slaps Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '8grin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not to be mistaken with 9grin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'getting drunk makes it harder to perform socials :('
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'How do you propose they get the money to do that, Ana?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'well to get gold you kill mobs silly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, out of curiosity, *which* curie were you claiming was a doctor?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, I point out that Einstein was a patents clerk. He worked on his theories on his own time. Our putative PhD developing a component for the targeting system will hardly work on anything else on his spare time. Again, he may, but it is doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But Einstein was Einstein and was working in a theoretical field.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and to have intellectual conversations you go to a chat room or website meant for that....NOW GO BACK TO KILLING MOBS, LVLING UP, THIS IS  A GD VIDEO GAME REMEMBER'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his theory has since been worked with experimentally ... which you'd need to pay for.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is doubtful, because he already has a job that binds him to a set path, so really calling him a researcher requires some generosity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I want to debate why the hell everyone likes to debate boring shit on here'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then turn off the Debate channel, Dirk.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because not everyone is a semi-literate troglodyte like you, dirk.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't argue that Majic. My point is that an 9to5ver is not going to make many breakthroughs because he is just looking to get a paycheck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'no..lets debate why somebody who hates the debate channel wants to keep it on....'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Lets not, and say we did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wait....i wanna debate why my mom is such a whore'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, they are because someone is paying them to make certain breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but a 9to5er in some other job isn't going to make that many breakthroughs in anything other than possibly theory, which is going to need to be confirmed anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey...you are all in the matrix and don't exist irl...now go try to kill yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, the frontiers of knowledge are further out than they used to be. you have to know a hell of a lot more now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'f'in nerds'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Einstein was already getting a paycheck from the patents office, so his time after work was his own to do what he enjoyed, which turned out to be working of theoretical breakthroughs :) Our modern researcher will leave work and go to the nearest bar to get rid of the whore feel :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Lol.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the people I know who have a real research job spend their own time thinking about their work as well ... 'course, they're at a public university.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just mean that regimented research will bear very little fruit. Unless the fruits have commercial value.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, but there are other opportunities out there besides being hired by a company.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'heres a debate:  make good grades in school while still partying every chance, do the same in college, major in biology and get a medical career like me...then you can screw with nerds all day while getting paid at your job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Here is the telling point. Einstein could not be stopped because no one was funding him so no one could control the outcome of his research. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and smoke weed daily'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what a university is supposed to do. Say 'here, go research something interesting.''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what tenure's for. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'works for me...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, that's because he was doing theory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i dont have to bitch about anything besides the lazy ppl out there taking up my tax money'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'BAM'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Someone doing theoretical research now can sit and do theory all day.  But to actually prove it is a different story.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've been a university researcher... I know that it is all about control. The fund provider has absolute say on what gets developed unless you can show that the collateral research is also profitable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'At a public university as well as a private one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you chose university poorly :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the university controllers are worse than the fund providers. The are the madams in the brothel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'A lot of universities actually provide a LOT of freedom in what you can do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you are all being a burden to society right now....kill yourselves and leave me your TP to spend while I get paid at work :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have worked at more than one university. All of them with international reputations as the best of the best (their words :)). The game is the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Just because something crappy is going on in a few universities doesn't mean its true for everything?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know a fair number of people who are research fellows at unis, who have pretty much nothing remotely profitable to show anyone, and who have a good amount of latitude'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And just because they say they are doesn't mean they actually are.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just because they let you publish in blue paper rather than white doesn't mean you have freedom. What freedom you get is the space they give you because they don't care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but let it be a matter where the fund provider is specific and you have no freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Are you still speaking for every University out there?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course not, I am not a bigot :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'working at more than one doesn't mean you didn't choose poorly multiple times'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is true Abe. I went where my field led me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then I must say a significant amount do offer you a large freedom in what you can do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether the poor choice was in a particular field, or in the unis themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a field can be a poor choice only if you can't get funded :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some fields are going to be more prone to that type of structure, by the cost/risk/benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in modern times, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey guys...lets talk bout this more in depth....maybe we will all find the asnwer and all the worlds problems....come'on guys!  :)     wait....nope...im just kidding...you suck for continueing to debate this boring shit'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you've shown that a field can be a poor choice even when funded'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless you're about to rescind everything you've just stated about "the game"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and that has been my point all along. That in the past, researchers, for the most part, did research because they wanted to know, not to pay for their Kia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit, nothing's changed there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tinkerers have always tinkered, and always will'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and everyone's gotta live'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true, so where is their tinkering now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same place it always was'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Just because *you* haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it isn't there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're in a field that actually gets funding, and you're after money, you can probably make much more in the private sector, and won't stay in research very long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of hobbyists, plenty of uni, plenty of corporate skunkworks'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tinker where you're comfortable and where you can thrive'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I know. Two tinkerers came up with an idea in their garage and started a company, of course, they had to get investors and they did. Then when the investors started getting profits they fired the tinkerers :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet almost all products in all companies that make real money start as skunkworks. At least that's my experience.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why did they start a company?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of the do, but they get promoted to the front because the tinkerers showed that there was a profit to be made.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of stuff like RSA was essentially given out free'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this whole argument started in regards to research that couldn't show a profit at once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quantum computing won't show a profit for decades...it's still having gobs of cash thrown at it from every direction'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, it isn't that the research that can't provide a profit isn't trashed. Its that research taht turns into profit is probably more advertised.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point being that many breakthroughs may not be happening because of the way research goes on today. Either you can sell the outcome or you move on to something else.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if that's your goal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or you continue tinkering til you find something.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but halting funding isn't going to make more research get done.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Research isn't development. it's up to development to make profitable products from research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But those are separate things.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But if they are determined to do it, as Anaristos was claiming how they did it back then, they will find a way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So you do 2 researches, one for the company and one for yourself... I rather be a patents clerk and researcher :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, nothing about that has changed...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being a patents clerk doesn't give you access to the lab'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just think that research done as a "hobby" has a greater chance of a better outcome. Simply because the research paths are not restricted by a fund provider.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'einstein didn't actually do anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of basic research is basically dependant on govt/university support, unfortunately... I wish they threw more money in the direction of math!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Again, Einstien did theoretics work, so he didn't need a lab or funding with which to prove anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, he just thought. That's a way to do research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's your opinion :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler yawns.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So if I think that gravity is quantized, and do a lot of calculations to prove it, that is doing research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm surprised that governments don't draw the line of cost-cutting at whether or not the environment is being protected'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Decimator :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'poison water = water filters = money = future problems?  maybe..'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Even though I discovered 100% nothing...that is research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research funded by govt/universities isn't restricted, in practical terms...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'research can also be proving what something is not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But not through theory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'You actually have to go and prove it, which requires equipment and thus money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and researchers who have millions thrown at them anyway, don't really have to care too much about what their sponsors say.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You haven't been a researcher huh, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, "rich" researchers are another breed altogether :) I wouldn't trust them to do anything to endanger the rain of money :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Only if they were in it for the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not as if you have to produce something all the time. By its nature, some projects won't turn out anything. Not like they'll have a clue what you actually did...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, sure, they are not :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so you're just against any well-funded research in general, and are just coming up with excuses to make yourself feel better about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people in cs are swimming in so much grant money it doesn't matter if they lose a million or two'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't bother letting history, truth or anything else get in your way, ust keep plowing :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So Anaristos, how would you feel if I threw 100million dollars at a team of researchers and told them to find something new in the realm of science?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And outside the research world, there are no people that get paid without doing anything useful?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Its the funder's job to ensure that something's actually being done with the grant money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If they think nothing useful is happening, they can cut the money, no?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, if the researcher's spending his grant money on dancing girls (and his research isn't involving dancing girls) ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do advancements in technology result in less employment options for people, and replace them with administrative positions requiring degrees in the new advancement which causes bank loans to be taken out and the banks to be bailed out of debt by the government, which provides austerity measures to pay it off?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all of it, but it seems that alot of things are automated and then after the automators aren't required even they have their jobs automated, like the 27,000 staff fired from yahoo and another company'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or general motors shutting down an assembly line in oshwa canada after being bailed out by the canadian tax payer to prevent job loss'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I do wonder how they react whenever one of those guys say something like "hey, I just decided to blow half a million on gpus to check something and it turns out it won't work. haha. But you can have a look at the paper."'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(says)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yeah, that would be interesting to see :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that still cost hella lot less than building a prototype to find out it won't work'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"and I flew my grad students first class to this conference and dumped them in a five star hotel for a week." Or something like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people look down on welfare bums and proudly drive gmc vehicles'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"now gimme another couple of million so I can blow it on whatever I think of next!" etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argleblargle why didn't I go into cs instead?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, to go back to the "old vs new"...tesla went through that constantly with investors :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yeah, I hate programming. That's why.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'But Tesla was just interested in creating not in earning a living. As opposed, let's say, Edison.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as did most of the [practical] tinkerers of the day'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, one's an inventor, the other's a businessman...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Edison was in it for the money, and no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, hardly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you know the story behind the decision of going AC instead of DC?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they both were working hard to be able to commercialize'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one was just more successful at one end than the other'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, you could say that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good businessmen are great at improving existing ideas... their job isn't to actually invent anything new.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it time for a new government when they decide you can't afford to live on your land and it's better to poison it and send the product to another land?  are they the government of the poisoned land or the foreign land?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, Chemosh, they don't care if you live on the land when they decide to poison it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'europe's more sliced up and divided than american countries, south and central america are a little more divided though, i guess maybe they have a stronger sense of whether or not toxic waste is more important than serving the masters'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they might not too, puppets could be the government anywhere, providing the illusions of diversity required to supply a administrative reason for oppression'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You should take a tour of the San Fernando Valley some day :) Lot's of toxic dumps covered over and used to build condos :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I won't let my low opinion of Edison color my arguments :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if canada's government was canadian, and this land came first in it's judgement, and oil and uranium and potash destroys this land and rape farming agriculture too, clear cut logging even (does this lumber build mostly canadian homes, who mostly can't afford one?)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of this, would they be doing as they do about it, which is basically nothing, even downplaying reality sometimes?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so who are they exactly?  who do they work for?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not the canadian population and not the survival of the land itself?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even take the money from the destruction and distribute it among canadians'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who are affected by the tailings and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't take the money and clean up their messes either, it's cheaper to just pretend there never was a mess - what do they try to teach children listening to the national anthem 'true patriot love in all thy sons command' who's world leader values saving the foreign dollar over saving it's own people and land?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much patriotism in the canadian government, i think they'd be called anti semitic or something like that if they were'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i take life sort of seriously, and i see that the governments main job is taking peoples minds off of living'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or telling them how to live, and from the top that seems like a pretty offensive thing to me, otherwise i wouldn't think of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's no big deal it's just oil exploration that will mostly not be drilled only to fuel your vehicles , not only in your own country, but globalization whoever's foreign company is sucking it out's purposes, which drained lake poigneur in eastern america'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'poked a hole in a place they didn't expect and down goes a lake'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, that shouldn't stop the progress of globalization though, we must keep on going, how much of that destruction is used by your consumer needs at home?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had electric car's in the 1950's doing 50 miles per hour, invented in 1885 already, don't bother forcing them to choose something else to keep their machinized world running where your land is destroyed to provide it's guts to, just keep the foreigners happy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( Speaking as a foreigner, I want to be happy :) )
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some people are into vampirism, other's not so much'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't enjoy products provided from slave labour or other questionable sources'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that sucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i find the evil far too malignantly offensive to be happy in, and i know nothing i can gain is free from the world's corruption, so i don't see no point in gaining anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government level's where problems like that are dealt with'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?  poison rivers, eroded soil turned into deserts, chemical agriculture, foreign buyers buying out canadian's, work outsourced, cost of living too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's what being a member of the united nations requires then i think it's best to be a nation of your own'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canadians pay more than Americans for Canadian-made vehicles http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/06/12/ottawa-car-price-disparity-border-shopping.html  coincidentally they also pay more for beef, cereal (grain products) and fuel'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting trends isn't it?  talk about sovereignty, the patriot government sees no flag'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more concerned over the middle east than things that matter to this land'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadians consume (an estimated) 13% of the fuel that's produced here in a year'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the number could be alot lower than that though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pure slavery'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the real enemy is just south of the border'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, north of the boder live the blood brothers, but south, got to get rid of those foreigners!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just pointing out that the government is a crooked piece of shit that only does non-rotten things when it wants to fuck somebody else with the illusion of trust, and only allows non-rotten things to happen when they don't impede it's goal of doing that, which makes it a fake bastard government of a evil foreign nation'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they don't care about this land or this people, but the foreign dollar and the various problems foreigners invent for them to preach to their slaves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'name one good thing that the government ever did that didn't turn into a monopoly, or that one of it's citizens invented that the government didn't turn into it's profitable monopoly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like those business people in new york city who refused to pay their second taxes, they just were removed from the industry and replaced with a coward'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'democratic nations don't exist and sovereignty is a lie, if this world's not ruled by satan it's ruled by his human ideological equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you think of god as satan and vice versa, most think the creator concept is a good thing if they're theists though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always come to the same conclusions like that, because of things like that difference in price between where it's produced and the land is murderfucked and where it's sent and sold for cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's all kinds of examples though, there's books upon books written on their corruption though, i don't need to quote it all'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and saying how unprofessional places like south africa has no infrastructure are and requires foreign assistance doesn't seem to take into account their claim on wikipedia that one of mozambique's main industry's is in chemical production, and the kind of minds required to produce chemicals aren't usually very unable to develop infrastructures, so what good does sending them various billions of money to purchase an infrastructure do if they already have everything they'll buy with it there?  using african poverty as a contrast to american corruption and downplaying it with it is like using the end result to justify the means in getting there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america is corrupt but that's ok because people are starving in mozambique where prominent chemists develop the next generation of chemicals you'll be using'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fuck kind of sense does that make?  lets send them a charitable donation with our tax money'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'our tax money IS a charitable donation :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taken by force lest the sheriff comes and shuts down your taxfree store, or takes your property away'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like health care and upkeeping things are ok uses of tax-money, i got no problem with that, as long as the doctors aren't a monopoly scam'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and actually do their job and money goes where it's supposed to, there seems to be countless hundreds and thousands of cases where that's not the case though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not scamming the tax payer of 10 or 20 dollars, or 1 cent out of every bank account either, but sometimes into the hundreds of millions and even billions'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could see how private enterprise probably sponsored by foreign nation's would want to corrupt those government uses of tax money by installing their own people to corrupt it in the tax payers face, and then cause them to look towards serving their enemy directly (being served by)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to do that in business alot, smearing one anothers image to gain the upper hand'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government seems to have stopped smearing the private sector though, even installing ADT security systems in its offices and stuff, as it couldn't find the personelle and expertise to secure their own premises'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a funny example of that is chinese gynaecologists, come to work in canadian offices and molesting females'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'best to choose private health care i guess, unless they were already private, there was more than 1 case of this in canada with a population of 32 million'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no big deal for china or some lobbiest to weasel in their molestor foreign doctors to work on the intimate details of sexuality with them is it?   what a purpose they serve in the government, immigration works for the foreign government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's about time canadians had a non-confidence vote on the entire government and built it from scratch with actual human beings after securing the premises from the killers who installed the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they should probably do that everywhere or have a world war 3 instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nuclear warheads only have a killing range of about 30 miles, there's alot of 30 miles in the world and only so many places where they're stored, chances are after a couple 30 miles are destroyed then their storehouses will be located and disabled with another 30 or more miles, it's not the end of the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the fall out goes on the wind a little bit, but so does mining uranium'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pesticides and herbicides mutate people more than radiation these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't think nuclear war's the end of the world, just getting over with the inevitable, and the sooner the better , more of the world can be preserved without the assholes with the bombs around'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radon causes cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and every rock crushed to get the uranium ore out of it releases that into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they raised the acceptable level of radioactivity in water by more than double in 1982'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radon has a low decay time, there is very little radon gas in the atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1500 years is the decay time of one of the ones that travels'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is when the gas decays in your house that it becomes a problem....the decayed particles hurt you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they don't clean up the tailings'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even know how to dispose of the stuff they have now, they bury it in lead vaults under mountains pending .. a solution'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or at the bottom of the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't stop being volatile though, it was least volatile before they mined it in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after they mien it then they have no solution to how to deal with the leftovers'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the final solution, no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the darwinists never wonder how a rock that changes it's surroundings could have impacted evolution on the planet, and whether or not it was best left where it naturally was'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war has no room for evolution theory though, i guess they're always at war trying to make the entire world into a aresenal until they're dead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, war is the key to evolution :) Survival of the fittest.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's nothing fittest about who was born with a button to push and who wasn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, evolution is agnostic, it doesn't care how the organism evolves as long as it does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's faith, and maybe evolution's a clown who's going to make the victor his joke'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the basic reason is because of epic areas. You could almost say that clan areas are epic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but raiders have to be SH, it's the only way the can survive the maze mobs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has military bases in 63 countries now, and personnel in 156 countries.......if we wanted to cut the military budget that is where you freaking do it.....reduce the over seas personnel from 256,000 to half that, and close at least 50% of the overseas bases.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Since 2000, non war related defense spending in the US has increased from $400 billion to $650 billion this year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wars added $75 to $125 billion each year on top of that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Hungary has a new hero. Towns and villages are putting up statues and naming streets after Miklos Horthy, a former head of state who led the country into World War II on Adolf Hitlers side. " -Bloomberg'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ORZ'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not Superman ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or Rocky ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How depressing, Venezuela just passed saudi arabia as the country with the most recoverable oil reserves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose with such a severe crisis in europe, stuff like this isn't unexpected.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the chinese own the USA... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was the black plague genetically engineered?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they talk about turning the king of babylon into a herd of bovine in the old testament for '1000 years' and they worship bovines in india'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '100*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the USA owns lots of other small countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: '"give us what ever we want in your world.. Or we will burn your cities down" -Corey Taylor'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also it's national symbol is a dragon and the 'king of the sons of pride' is leviathan which is levi at han, a priesthood of the jews at the han dynasty'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'lord of the flies...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider crazy things like that for the hell of it, mostly cause i see rulers mocking peoples intelligence all the time'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and knowledge is power like they say, the roman empire was once ruled from england after it was conquered'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'if you havent notice rulers are total idiots! Its like living in a box with rats and you're the cheese'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think donating money to africa and preferring their people over american people is going to boost national security at all, especially since petro china is the main oil industry in post-war afghanistan and various things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're using chinese economy in africa in their bbc article as a reason to prefer africa and give them money at the expense of the western nationals'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if africa's so incapable of developing itself and isn't willfully starving its people to death, then how come they have the brains to develop chemicals in mozambique?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also producing doctors and all kinds of other people who don't seem to be used to develop their infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'aye! Thats why theres another "invasion" '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'most african leaders live in the past and well dont quite have the skills to govern a country... Its all about throwing a 'pity party' everyone of them wants to be a dictator... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's faith in human ignorance and sort of racism since you think them incapable of seeing common sense'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're so dumb then how come they fly around in private golden 747's and live in large mansions?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably are dictators though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'then again that 'pity party' gains massive loads of funding... Funding for tenders that provide services that never happen.. Well in every country.. Its a way to up tax... More tax.. More debt.. With more debt theres creation of more money.. More money.. More tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i imagine most charitable funding to africa is used for purchasing weapons from russia and various other things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i am a pessimist though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe making two enemies stronger at the same time by donating money to them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to indicate on bbc news that closing down charities to somalia is in the worst interest of national security, even though they confirm that it funds their bakku haram or whatever the terrorist there is'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'governments arent run by just one person... Its more like a CC than anything else... Weapons hmm... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'relations with other countries are built by how many guns you have... But its really about those big uranium bullets with those plutonic triggers'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some things are worse than death though, like the eternal future on earth in ever degrading morality and purposeful existance because of fear of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why they lock people up for 10 - 20 years before finally administering the death sentence in prisons'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the anticipation of the fear of death is much sweeter form of punishment than the end itself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'they consider it to be more humane? I was going to use the sectarian approach but i thought id use the 'mental boundry' thing instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the slight increaese in radioactive poisioning and bad mutations from use of depleted uranium in munition shells is far more damaging to the environment (than hurt emotions by fearful crybabies bemoaning degraded morality)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its like watching water boil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the end of the environment on earth is dead anyways, slow death versus attempted removal of it's cause'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humans have no use for the environment, they rather drill oil from under the arctic and the sheets of ice with no monitoring and sink various land masses than use non-destructive technological advancements'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the half-life of uranium is in millions to billions of years, radioactive poisoning on the ecology is "forever" from the perspective of short-lived humans'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and money's a good excuse, it's cheaper they say to kill the world than it is to not kill it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'pure, free the gifts of grace.. And slaughter the entire human race'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'everyone needs something to trade...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when depleted uranium munitions explode, the depleted uranium is dispersed as a powder into the local environment -- the USA and Britain and other using depleted uranium munitions are guilty of crimes far worse than "crimes against humanity"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nothing is free... And you must pay or be hammered with a uranium bullet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'uranium was fine where it was, the eventuality of nuclear war is there anyways, unless one relinquishes its arsenal to another, and they wouldn't do that without using some of their arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why not get it over with now instead of waiting until the entire world is conquered by the enemy and his progenic dictatorship'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nukes could be made without uranium though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, Grimmjo, your goading suggestions may be seen by some as reckless warmongering'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how is it warmongering?  testing the paranoia fear that russia and allied america used in the cold war to population control the future?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, they write music songs about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'mustard gas!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's war mongering about the tv shows on television or your religion?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like it's just opinionated discussion to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'emphasis on "reckless"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're in control of a nuclear arsenal and aren't a big bad wolf huffing and puffing ready to use your stash if anybody deviates then you know better and could just claim that nuclear war will never happen and there's no point in getting it over with now, better to just slow rot with the what if it does happen fear justifying various inhumanities'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wise warmongering is different'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'religious beliefs are the cause of most wars... Fueled by greed and fear.,'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wise warmongers have the same thoughts in mind except they actually expect to be heard or gather a following'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't expect to be taken seriously or repeat what's already been repeated millions of times over, trying to discuss why things are different than those negative pessimisms indicate'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet to strike wildly with fist, you attempt to strike wickedly with fist'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'everyone who follows a certain religion wants to be 'ONE' they exploit this 'ONE' and name it 'GOD''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the aardwolf debate audience is minimal, so the attempted damage is minimal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Zade thats like saying 'if you are free of sin cast the first stone' why not keep your nuke and ill keep my nuke and we'll see who breaks first...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its only damaging if you let it damage you... You are striking fist with fist..'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i am striking fist with fist... Should we chop off our hands? Or keep our hands and hold our fists and see who breaks first?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte. And when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves" [DRC]'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Ecclesiastes 4:3 "Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun."'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(fractured) Matthew 18:6 "But he that shall scandalize the yet innocent impressionables seeking truth into children of hell, may be better were a millstone hanged about his neck and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea (preferably before the scandalisation)." <-- somewhat extreme - perhaps rehabilitation is possible - but the gist of intent is there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'harms one of these little ones was the verse, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's scandalizing who?  'but when you pray, pray in your closet (in private)''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so... that's the one that says we should tie a big rock around priests molesting innocent children, and drown them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'discussing the bible and pointing out a verse that can sum up a situation isn't any kind of scandal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when you offer one up yourself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the bible, religion should be a private thing, discussing the bible's not religion is it?  'search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''wisdom is known by her children', 'rachel wept for her children, for they were not', 'better is he 'than both' the living and the dead, who never has seen the evil that is done under the sun (son?) (never existed)''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's relevant in the context of cold war standoffs justifying demoralization of everything about being alive that mattered to people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i prefer warm wars to cold ones'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, a long path of study may be required before you are able to debate the Bible accurately and academically (without obvious errors)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the scholars of the bible who i listen to never went to university or church to learn about it, they taught themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Zade you judge? Yet you use extracts of religion to prove points of what? Seems like the lines of sectarianismistim worked...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some of those self-professed "self-taught scholars" are verbally torn to shreds when they speak on irc'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this all sounds pretty close to bollocks, care to share?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"nevermind the bollocks, here come the sex-pistols"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the ones i listen to don't shake at the ignorance that the ones taught by university and (some) churches do, they're not adhered to their interpretations without consideration that they seek to verify or correct'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so what you are saying Zade is that religious studies are not worth the time?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give any religious dude a copy of "Romans XIIIL THe True Meaning of Submission" by Chucka nd Timothy Baldwin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'how is something correct if its a case of 'broken telephone'?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody wants to debate bible-nutters (to deprogram them), mayhaps a lot of education is required'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do bible nutters need deprogramming?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'cause they have blueballs'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no more nutters in religion than in the wider atheist community'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, did you see what the republicans put up as candidates -- some of those republican presidential candidates were biblically-retarded'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, but the problem is the system, not the religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'and atheists are not people either? I think their minds are more open than the nutters'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the Pauls have been co-opted by the system, your best bet is to vote for that Gary Johnson bloke'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'incorrect the problem is will... The will to do what you want to do... Freedom is the key'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be surprised, grimmjo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'oh how so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion isn't the enemy, globalists are'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that from paraphrased  "Aleister Crowley" or "Neitsche" '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"St Thelma's Law" , "Will to Power"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'globalists hmm... Where do they get their bases?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america is about to invade syria'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after having supplied weapons and mercenaries to the opposition for the last year'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'do you know why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a number of reasons why'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The USA is going to invade Syria ?, with the Russsians looking on ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA, with the 'backing' of the UN'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nope the main reason... What do they have that USA needs?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing they need, but they want the region destabilised because it's good for business, it rids Iran of an ally, and provides a handy air corridor for Israel to get to Iran'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack invades, and how does that not lose the election'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'seriously? did the UN manage to agree about something?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet they haven't, but that won't necessarily stop them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't stop them in libya or iraw'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iraq*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was oli in Libya '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libya wasn't really about the oil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not about the supply of oil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want the oil supply disrupted, it's good for profitws'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was petty payback against that annoying dictator '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'what do the chinese smoke?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why do you suggest it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'do you know what opium is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'where is the largest amount of opium in the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'producer? afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British used force to sell opium to China'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'should i say untouched opium in the world...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look on youtube, you might be able to find a documentary on cannabis production in afghanistan, which follows around ( a film crew ) a grower, and provides his explaination as to why he chose to grow it, i found it interesting if it's how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's land-lords, and the lower price of cotton he says can't pay both the land lords and for food for his family'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cannabis?  Or did you mean heroin?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american troops protect the opium fields in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's either cannabis or opium he claimed'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he chose the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they ship it back to america to sell'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know why they make the price of cotton so low, they advertise making cotton out of cow milk instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so was it... About the oil... Or was it about the opium... Well in all this excitement of invasion i lost track myself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghanistan was opium, libya was destabilising the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they really do make fabric out of milk, now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the store's not much clothing made with pure cotton, i imagine some of the drug violence could be defeated by paying them a fair amount for what they can legally provide'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mischa Barton and some other famous hottie wear the milk-clothes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cotton is far far cheaper than opium'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'imagine going up against Bruce Lee... And you owe him 10bucks... So think of china... How much does america owe them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'enough to make China grow concerned about holding our debt. :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a look at the logistical tonnage involved indicates that other "cash" crops are more profitable than cotton production'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cotton also requires lots of water'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so was it the oil... Or was it the opium?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard some crap coming from agenda21 on the radio bout people needing to pay for water'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was what oil or opium, grimmjo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the question is... Would you go one on one with Bruce Lee or would you make him happy with cake?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'one on one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'no tn is a master baker'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis true, i bake'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think world deabt-holders are blind to stupidity and consumerism, if america would have produced what it could produce to consume and then traded in what they couldn't produce themselves, then the debt holders would be more justified, wouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depends how many individuals who can't choose where they're born had a hand in short-changing the rest of the world with their willful understanding or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should the rest of them have to pay the debt of the sloppy ones who led them to it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of everywhere like that, i don't see the government as the people ruled by it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debts are a mechanism by which global banks can centralise control and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in most cases, they aren't even real debts'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already pay for water.  Most of us, I believe, pay as we use it but some places pay on a schedule and can use as much as they wish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i thought so... Even Chuck Noris got his ass kicked by Bruce Lee... No one touches Chuck! And he didnt owe Bruce nun'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then there are the bottled-water people, who either can't drink/use tap water (bad well water) or have willfully decided not to (anti-flouride nuts).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the church eats tenders! Tenders are tender'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can filter well water and filter fluoride-related contaminants'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sodium fluoride isn't terribly good for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were considering putting statins int he water here, too, which is worse'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'whos going to provide filters when theres so much money to be made from water in a bottle'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Brita and ZeroWater (or whatever that new brand is)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking they'll provide filters at all while they're discussing world population (over) and resource management (consumption ignorant) while people let their lakes, water tables and rivers be poisoned by big industry doesn't seem very wise to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was procter and gamble who did a charitable funding of developing a chemical compound which could purify a gallon of toxic water for .10 cents'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's a big problem, there is all sorts of contaminant in the water table nwo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they claim on science daily to have had the intention that the government might fund or introduce it to the people who distribute aid to africans and people in poor nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but of course it wasn't used'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'they made a tea bag that does that where i studied for a few months that bag is brilliant'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'imagine seeing a guy drinking toxic water from a cup with a teabag thats been in there for like two minutes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he had a choice he probably wouldn't, unless he knows it works (was the developer) and wanted to prove it with his own faith'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'gots to give it up to fynbos'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like if people had a choice between buying processed bottled water and 'fresh glacial' bottled water they'd choose the glacial'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Parks Canada staff banned from criticizing Feds Workers told they have 'duty' to support Harper government http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/06/14/ns-parks-canada-letter-warning.html see the communist stalinist bastard government of canada'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'zog whatever people think it is, <insert conspiracy theory here>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like i said 2 years ago, harper will be the last government canada ever has'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it ever was independent, he'll betray it until it's a 3rd world nation feeding stalin it's soul on a plate'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would be antisemitic to do otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Stalin doesn't eat souls, he eats people.  It's why he used the Gulag so much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was adolf hitler the last stand for mankind?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems with trash like this allied harper that might be the case for demoracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hungarian goolag? Yum :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought Stalin was dead, must have been imagining things...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether he is or not he knows he's a piece of trash if what's writtena bout him in history is true'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should people keep it secret and pretend that a piece of revolting cancerous shit doesn't stink?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if anyone thinks Stalin was a good person, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, personally, I can't testify about him one way or another.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then why did they support him so much in russia and continue his legacy in the cold war ritual, after the allies saved it from germany?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still have portraits of him in north korea museum's'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to tours of north korea art university on documentaries on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, Russia saved itself from Germany. 2000000 Russians paid the price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the allies were just there to do nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, they helped, but the brunt of repealing the attackers fell on the Russians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they heroically portray in 'enemy at the gates''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Napoleon had the same experience as the Germans did. Which begs the question, why did Germany attack in the winter?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if germany had won world war 2, would there have been a cold war afterwards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if canada wasn't a british territory he wouldn't see any problem with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, my take is that had Germany won the war, the US would have kept a "hot" war going, one way or another. Germany was not big enough to control such a large country as the US, from Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the technology to do so was not available then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sadly, if Germany won the war, we'd live in a much crueler world, but we'd probably also be settling Mars by now'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about crueler... just more obviously cruel :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just pisses me off when pricks that live on national welfare cheques and slander the soil that the national anthem declares 'true patriot love' to be a contributing member of spitting on the thoughts of it's citizens and serving nothing to do with canada get away with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't want to pay for harper's next yankees baseball game meeting with the new york mafia and their desert-dwelling associates'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with my purchase of a bottle of water or some other tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, disagreement with the government does not imply on is a traitor, per se.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to harper it does'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Workers told they have 'duty' to support Harper government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/06/14/ns-parks-canada-letter-warning.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the russians were forced to go to war by stalin too, and they probably did pay big toll in defending his castle'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like canada paid for defending the queens'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The premise that disagreement = sedition is a tenet of totalitarianism. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, most governments, even the "liberal" ones, do implement the tenet partially :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you will recall the attitude of the US government toward the Viet Nam war protestors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/04/26/alleged-war-criminal-que-beekeeper.html here the jewish B'nai B'rith group quotes KGB supplied evidence against a quebec beekeeper accused of being a nazi war criminal, also mentioning the group's private meetings wiht Stephen Harper, the leaders of the NDP and Liberal parties, which covers all canadian politics'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/26/holocaust-fund-fraud-canadian.html here several people in new york city and toronto and other places across the world are found out to be receiving holocaust survivor funding fraudulently, being russian immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I can accept that. But what's the big deal? Fraud is commonplace everywhere :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'including the office of the person who handles their management if my memory of the news story is correct (but that's to verified urself if you want)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Dan Shapiro said the US hoped diplomacy and sanctions would persuade Iran to alter its nuclear programme, but a military option was "ready". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18110191 here's a jewish lobbiest from washington d.c is the foreign embassy to israel, and is advising america on who to go to war with next'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where ever there is a system to dispense any type of goods, there will be fraud by either the dispensers or the receivers, or both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just saying, it looks to me like alot of the people calling themselves jews and victims and screaming anti-semitism might be KGB agents and their operatives'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How about Deadlights?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if so, they seem to have infiltrated both the US and canadian governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and so harper's stalinist attitude has some explaination'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but also, voting means nothing :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmons_%26_Company , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27nai_B%27rith'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't explain what they're about to people, if people ask they're called nazi's instead, much simpler, or to take their medications'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about problems in some south american nations provided by jewish security companies too'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news in the last 6 months or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's possibly good that they find corruption in their own groups though, hopefully that's as deep as it goes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a sucker born every minute and also a scam artist :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sacrificing the fattened calf was a pretty old bible practice though, taking one for the team kind of thing, austerity measures no dirt here'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monsanto's corporate lawyeris called robert shapiro if i recall correctly, so possibly another jew person, agent orange etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then the 59th or so most powerful woman in the world is also surnamed shapiro, a financial advisor fo the us government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there is a shiny example of a scam at work :) Isaac getting scammed by Rebekah :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, what do you think should be an appropriate surname for a female advisor (since you object to Shapiro)?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it as odd that two bush's become president of the USA in 20 years and 2 clintons control significant aspects of the government in the same time frame?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a couple other families too though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how odd is it that they head multitrillion dollar international corporations, world banks and lobby the government and advise on wars in the middle east too?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they just coincidentally share that surname, but the others didn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not all players in the NFL with surname "Hill" are related :) I bet it is probably also the case in government...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah like you said about more obvious corruption, i think the world would be more sane if not more fair if they didn't have to believe otherwise or risk being antisemitic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'father son, nephew uncle, husband wife, .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I think that Semitic phobia is a bit out of hand :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they use it whenever it disagrees with them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like harper and his obligation to support his government by being an employee of the government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's democratic stuff there, i don't know if it's more nazi or marxist leninist'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism doesn't sound like a word taht implies anti-social behaviour though, which the government displays'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, marxism-leninism is a myth. Lenin twisted the sayings of Marx to suit his cause...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i remember the only political enemies the nazi's looked for were russian spies'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the russians?  if you ate your own bread then you were a enemy of the pig'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fraud should never be tolerated the government, i don't think atilla the hun would have any of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wouldn't have been fatally poisoned if he didn't embrace a culture of fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had to look for a traitor in his ranks like the retard in the movie 300 to administer the poison instead of killing him openly, possibly offered a typical roman luxury for their services, which all the rulers of the world roll in like pigs today'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of traitors to humanity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's if history is correct, and history is written by the victors, who always make themselves look like the great savrious from the conquereds former savagery'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perverting their actual history so that if dissent is desired they will identify with the false past they were taught'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should 16yr old chicks be legal to screw?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they are in many places.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'if they keep wearing slut clothes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'about 1000 years ago, at 16, a woman would be married with children.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'make that 100 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'heck yea!   lets impregnate them all :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler puts his finger in his mouth and says, "Oopsie! Did I do that?"
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you can tell i have no daugter lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'young marriages ages coincide with slave whipper practices handed down to communities of non-pedophiles'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not natural to be getting together too young, society makes that happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'nah, i think its pretty natural for 16yr olds to be young dumb full of cum horny'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe in eternal corruption of human cultures'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually, the median age at first marriage for ladies in 1890 was 22.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was lowest in 1950 but still wasn't under 20.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, 1950 and 1960 are tied, at 20.3'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that part might be natural, but probably not once they grow up and then raise their own kids properly, which happened in cultures before taxes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i did preg test on a 12yr old mexican that came out positive....no wonder we got so many mexicans here in the us...they breed at age 12? wtf'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think that's correct, Chemosh. Human sexuality (for the purpose of procreation) performs optimally during the teenage years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I work in a hostpial lab btw'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'older white european cultures were corrupted by the romans, before that they had soem morals'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, non-mexican kids have gotten pregnant at 12 too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just so we are clearn i dont go around giving 12yr olds preg tests lol unless im gettin paid'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some cultures figured there was more to life than biological efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humanity was alwasy rotten as long as we've been here'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'like smoking tons of pot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess the whole past might just be a lie, it's like a reverse religion to believe otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what do you mean "we", white man?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, people, it seems there's the same corruption everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uh oh, Tonto, it looks like we're in trouble!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'satan looks real when you consider just how rotten people are'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey if the jihad ppl get 72 virgin (virgin boys most likely) , what are the women supposed to get?   They finally get the take that head wrap off and show the world their faces?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just wondering why so many of the muslim women havent protested their own religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and i seriously wanna know what they have to look forward to in afterlife?  watching their husband bang 72 virgins?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'weeeeeee'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe they become the virgins? (Can you spell R-E-T-R-E-A-D?)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you just spelled it for me...i dont get it'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'dammit somebody's gotta know'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'or else ima have to declare jihad'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it said on the news what happens to women in egypt when they protest sexual harrassment, they get raped by groups of holy warriors protesting the protest with immunity to the law'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hmm....what a wonderful religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and now it says on the news that the muslim brotherhood will slave whip some sense into the supreme court for their transgressions of dissolving parliament of islamists'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i just wanna know wtf they get promised in the afterlife besides getting to watch their husbands bang away 72 virgins'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'cute religion....all religions are but i mean come on....'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are promised that they will become men :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hahahahah'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'does that mean the people going to hell become one of the 72 virgins getting raped by Saddam as we speak?  amazing'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if that is what he's doing, then he certainly is not in hell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'man i thought you guys knew all the great debatable answers...you mean ima have to look this up on google?  geez'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't read that type of fiction much...'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hhaha....well i just tried to look it up but all the references were pretty dodgy on the subject of what the women get'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow....what a shitty religion...sorry i know my christian faith has its issues but geeeeez'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'on that note....JIHAD ON YOU!  I RAPE YOUR WIFE AND AWAIT MY 72 VIRGINS TO RAPE IN HEAVEN!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '...i should be able to go through 72 pretty quick....then what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'once you bang all 72 you complete the game! '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and then you tier?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'guess we dont have any muslims playing this game..'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i thought it was a big religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've also learned black ppl dont usually play mud either...not being a racist i promise...just facts'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'REAL girls too for that matter'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not you fake lezzy dorky chicks *wink'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'jk girls'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol i've still be searching forums for what Muslim women get in heaven....sound like the religion likes to avoid that question....kinda like "shut up woman, the men are trying to finishing writing this quaran!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh and promise them 72 virgins and alot of liquor!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'signed....Muhmamad'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but to say such things is to contradict the nature of deity in alot of these enforcers of their religion people commonly find detestable, that doesn't mean all of them are of that kind of mindset though'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think god's much of a skin puppet hedonist rotball preserver of injustice myself'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but people don't seem to think or else don't have to cause somebody else does that for them, and they're taught to serve'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you live in a land with no freedom of thought, absolute mind control cult of personality and extreme public examples made for any form of deviance to the will of lord then you might not have much of a thought about what the nature of god is yourself, at least not to criticize in public'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably everything about 'lord' and various special dictator people on earth and special interest groups of vehement racist killers said on the internet is stored in a file somewhere for later line up and shoot death ritual holocausts, but that might just be a paranoia instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read they had it out for a guy who wrote a story called 'the satanic verses''
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'whos THEY?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'was this a story about satanic worship or something'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses they mentioned it on bbc awhile ago though, either him or a cartoonist on CNN news (maybe two separate events), receiving death-threats for attending a seminar in india or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the story of Bel and the Dragon should be taught in every church, teach them about scrutinizing their priests and educate them in the subtle arts of mind control and engineering of consent'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fear and persuasion etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'difference between a firm concept of god belief and a exploitation of peoples thoughts of forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow...ima have to get high now....brain melt'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe what is the more perfect judgement in various situations, god being a creator of all creatures that aren't created by man'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't you think it's funny that the honest and true government of national security doesn't demand it's citizens be educated in the methods of the deceiver?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if it can really be laughed at ore not more than a picture of the husk left behind after world war 1 on their wikipedia page, looking like a kid having a temper tantrum, but then realize the dead about it it doesn't look as funny, same class of humour anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah the US air force mothballs the F-117 nighthawk which cost $111 million to build, to build a new jet that does the same thing but costs $160 million each.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the F-35 was originally supposed to cost about $60 million to build, but because of funding cuts, the price has ballooned to a $237 million per aircraft cost.  WTG congress!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how much tylenol does it take to kill your kidney?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'trying for the darwin awards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no... but sometimes i wonder if my doctor doesnt like me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all drugs have risks'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even coffee?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is for a surveillance state'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He just thinks drones are magic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A British Columbia Supreme Court judge has declared Canada's laws against physician-assisted suicide unconstitutional because they discriminate against the physically disabled. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/06/15/bc-assisted-suicide-ruling.html  At the 1941 annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association, he called for the extermination of incurably severely retarded children over the age of five. His goal was to relieve "the utterly unfit" and "nature's mistakes" of the "agony of living" and to save their parents and the state the cost of caring for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Foster_Kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if they can't move and stuff like that guy in metallica's one video, but how can they be sure he don't want to live if they can't hear his morse code on whether or not that's the case?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and how easy will it be to abuse in a nation of unprofessional non-psychological professionals judging people insane among a group of people fearing to appear insane less they face the judgement?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they can move though, they can kill themselves if they want, can't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'legalize illegal immigrants and weed out the replaced'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i just hear you advocate murdering disabled people and replacing them with immigrants?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it helps that most psychiatrists are mid-eastern and asian doctors'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know what's best for ahkbar and his immigrators'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, no that's just a conspiracy theory i seen from the news, obama legalizing illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? well he did pardon a load'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps him to have immigrant labour pushing down wage costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he legislated for the arrest and execution without trial of US citizens'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you couldn't put anything past him'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you find find some books written about survivors of america's psychological holocaust who were made to cut childrens brains into strips for petri dish examination by the doctor's, themselves sentenced to life in a asylum falsely'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they did that to alot of people, power tripping like adolf hitler and stalin did'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't surprise me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i found on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it had sources listed that were listed on amazon and other places, some university's'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope y'all vote Gary Johnson for president'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'previously, "In Canada, it has been illegal to counsel, aid or abet a person to commit suicide, and the offence carries a maximum punishment of 14 years in prison." '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that all seems to have changed with the dropped charges on the minnesota man who asked a ottawa university student to film her suicide on camera after convincing her it was the right way to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and british house of lordlinesses will'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Justice Lynn Smith also stipulates that her ruling only apply to "competent, fully informed, non-ambivalent adult persons who personally (not through a substituted decision-maker) request physician-assisted death, are free from coercion and undue influence and are not clinically depressed."'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they have to explain to the court why they are scared to kill themselvs and would rather have 'thou shalt not kill' a person get away with murdering them instead?  like the guy in the one video?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a similar case in ottawa recently, a guy in a coma who the doctors want to pull the plug on, but who communicates through squeezing peoples hands and other gestures to let them know he's still existing'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''if you don't want to die, give me a thumbs up', vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course there's the usual clique of tax-nazi's screaming about wasting public money on keeping vegetables alive, but ignoring multibillion dollar harper fraud'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, a prior post at [15 Jun 18:09:11] was erronous in that (by english gammar defaults) you inferred the genderless BC judge was the male 1941 judge --> extremely sloppy posting'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves anything Chemosh posts until verified independently
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was separated by a link and succeeded by a second link'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're related'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause and effect and repetition of history'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some nazi's believe 1941-1947 will bring a resurgence of world war 2 for instance'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world war 1 started 1914'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe 2014 has something like it happening'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(new-age cult kind of people i mean) i read about it on some of their song lyrics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet sloppy bad grammar nonethre less'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nonetheless'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depends whether you're trying to impress people with your linguistic skills or relay subject matter for consideration, i never am very impressed with people's grammar and actually find it impeding in good novels'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the hardest part of teaching yourself C programming from K&R will be coming to terms with the meaning of the words that are seen almost nowhere else'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the illiterate post seemed to infer that the 1941 Judge was yet alive and currently sitting on the BC supreme court'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his ideology just might be'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never know what british billionairres posing for photoshoots on arabian maps of the worlds on man-made islands with naked teenagers clinging to his 60 year old back on water ski's sexually belittling the premier of british colombia might have on their minds'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem too arrogant to have any respect for the non lordliness forms of life that he feasts on, and is immune to the laws of earth'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't put none of that beyond them'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and in Canada, where extremely controversial topics are concerned, be careful, or some "politically-correct" groups may use you as a target to be charged with some "hate" crime, while they clamour for tougher laws against (abominations)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canada (alberta) have embarked on a series of land-grabs under the pretense of climate change legistlation'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really care what they charge me with, i'll get them to explain the media that brainwashed me into a hateful person in my criminal trial'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some smallholders and farmers have had their land confiscated with either inadequate, or no-whatsoever compensation'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has been happening on a smaller scale in the USA too'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i should charge the jews of hate-crimes against non-german non-nazi's for accusing them of being nazi's in the 1950's'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're who you refer to'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortunately, the Aardwolf debate channel is somewhat private, so what you say here is less likely to be used against you in the court of public opinion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'public opinion's pretty retarded, none of them can justify what they repeat'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't see what kind of hate crimes against any group i did here'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'name one'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'show me the superior perceptions'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'careers are ruined by what some post on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have a career, that doesn't threaten me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and some continue despite'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(the truth)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you're blackmailing people to keep their mouths shut or they'll lose their jobs because a racist group of hate crime allegators is going to make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using the high priest of the jews exploits in the crucifixion of jesus paying people to rile up the crowd to free the killer'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism is mostly a myth'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'just saying that bad grammar and misdirection is annoying in extremely sensitive topics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mercy killing is a sensitive topic when you provide the material you consider and your opinion in freedom of speech land'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing leads to another doesn't it, how come people who want to die don't have to explain why they want to die but don't want to kill themselvse to a judge?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a subject i could form an opinion on'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want to die so much why should they legalize somebody killing them which is a crime against the bible according to the bible's list of crimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a 'christian nation''
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bible isn't the source of law'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is fiction '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'life is not fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, watch the music video 'one' and that's the difference between somebody's inability to kill themselves but desire to die (conveyed through morse code) and a scrupulous judgement by a evil dictator (as happened in the past) on who's the retard, like your hate-crime allegators and false-nazi whislters'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your life is a fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are a legal fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then a person who is capable of doing it themselves but doesn't want to for whatever coward reason, thinking that having somebody else end their lives is better'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have a good reason shouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 10 years ago or 15 china was going door to door and shooting people en masse for being enemy's of the politics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or various other flaws, like you can't get a job in korea if you're too short'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death-vans etc, russia china ally, buying up canada and parks canada employees can't criticize the harper government'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these things all lead in a very obvious direction until proven otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at one point Canada looked to have a competant government - what happened?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back to hate crime allegators and media explaination brainwash, how come there's hollywood action movies with chris rock (possibly lethal weapon 4) where he claims the white actor is a nazi, and that programs into the white american media mind, as the white american subplot becomes proving to the black man that he is not a nazi'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they have to go to court to explain this subplot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they were security guard in that movie, i think that's the one'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then once enough proofs are provided by the servile protagonist the audience rejoices with the revelation that white people aren't always the nazi's that black people thought they were'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can watch the movie maybe unless you seen it, it's an example of the media i'd question in my trial though, what is the purpose of this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if spent nuclear fuel rods were dumped into the deepest part of the ocean in the pacific ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would poison it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'say oh, 56,000 tons of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'seawater dissipates radiation easily remember'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We'd have to go get them when we need them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would happen if the pallisades nuclear plant had a coolant bed leak and released iodine into the nearby air and soil?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't dissipate radiation in water'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you need to 'get' spent nuclear fuel rods ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because they aren't spent. They have plenty of power left in them, if we just made a modern set of nuclear reactors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it seems to me that the ocean already has dissolved uranium and other heavy metals in it.....a few tons of spent radioactive fuel rods 6 miles down wouldnt do much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would add the bonus that the left-overs after that would only last a couple of decades or centuries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sounds like a good idea: the ocean is polluted, let's pollute it some more'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they only have power left in them if you recycle them, and recycling costs more than it does to make new ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why not just lease some nuclear waste storage space from the friendly government of iraq?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just not true, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need, they hide it in your back yard'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont have a yard :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why not send it into the sun? Sun's got plenty'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am all for recycling the fuel rods though, mainly because the cost of the fuel itself is a minor part of the cost of nuclear power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'incidentally, i wonder how much depleted uranium costs an ounce'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do tehy use that for anything else besides bullets?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ie, non-destrutive'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'artwork/coloring'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would be a waste to send it into the sun, for the same reason it would be a waste to put it at the bottom of the ocean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and its fun to have in checked luggage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides,it would cost way to much to send it to the sun.....$10,000 a lb for sending crap into earth orbit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What are we talking about disposing of? Spent uranium? Isn't its only use killing all the things?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. its also used for coloring/dying '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they use depleted uranium for armor piercing... hollow points are good enough to shoot bodies :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in large structures it makes a good neutron shielding too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Less cost involved when you don't need to keep the equipment working after the initial thrust, and no return trip - i.e. just shoot it out of a cannon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder how much it costs to buy per 16 oz'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This wouldnt even be a problem if those idiots didnt get the yucca mountain depository canceled after $12 billion was spent building it....now it is an expensive bunker for politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nuclear reactors of today only use a minuscule fraction of the energy that can be utilized in uranium. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they use Pb not U :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, pb is restricted for airline luggage, depleted uranium isnt =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol, Yucca was always intended for use in the event of the Zombie Apocalypse - the initial idea of nuke storage was a front'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is still plenty left, and if we use more of it, we get less long-lived isotopes in the new waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean Pu'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like Yuca :) YUM!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr oh, less long lived isotopes, i feel better'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why worry about yucca instead of pallisades'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you don't, you don't understand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yuca with an olive-oil sauce. Awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems that around 95% of spent nuclear fuel rods can be recycled into new fuel for power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Select one of these: 300k years of radioactive material or 30 years of radioactive material. Which is best?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'will i be alive at the end of either of those periods?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even a couple of houndred years can be planned and paid for, but not a couple of hundred thousand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are asking if it's better a bullet through your face or through the back of your skull?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the answer is obvious, its better through the back of the skull'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'die young ,leave a pretty corpse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows that in 100,000 years the people living then would even know what language all the warning signs said if they found a depository of nuclear waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob be talking ebonics in 100,000 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, you racist'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about we don't create radioactive waste...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or some other language based on english...spanglish'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I am racist against vampires, I should stake you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tha would be a mistake'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then turn off your computer, Tiger. You're creating it now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone else already  created that'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, here we burn coal for electricity, and we bring it in by train with unlidded containters'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'aint it great, our containers lose only small amounts of coal dust on the train'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'coal is pretty radioactive stuff i heard, nuclear energy is cleaner than that, possibly not the leftovers though'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is a non issue....coal use in the US is down to 40% of electricity produced now, and will be 30% by 2020'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth anthracite coal is an issue and will remain one'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be better if they knew how to put things back where they took them from and restore that land to the previous state before they took it all out and had no repentence plan'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be a start if governments stopped stealing land of it's owners'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'with enough money you can buy repentance... everyone knows that chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they seem to put it back and it's all toxic and evil, cause they don't know how to restore it back to it's origins'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts owners... ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh its not hard to restore, it takes more energy to make wood than to burn wood .'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't understand the query, vd'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not true for water :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos it is in the presence of iodine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could make much better use of water, especially mountainous or coastal regions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tidal power will be a major supplier of power eventually.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts true. we could make a good use of energy from water wheels '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we could pump water, make large viaducts'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and have it flow into a central system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'water wheels would work in developing countries or sensitive areas, proper hydro plants in developed areas'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you see a lot of volunteers ready to go grab shovels and dig?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay them, they'll do it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a 'proper' hydro plant requires materials that have a large carbon footprint to produce'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is an enormous source of energy stored in the marine trenches that can be tapped via thermal differentiation...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to other sources, not much'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a water wheel can be made mostly from the labor of men or beasts, and harvesting of trees'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper hydro isn't neccessarily a factor of size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'proper hydro is effected by submergence, rise, rate of flow, volume of flow, and that involves size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'archimedes screw turbines are more efficient than waterwheels'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methane hydrates has the potential to produce enough energy that is 2x more than all the known reserves of coal/natgas/oil '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd rather wait till liquid salt thorium reactors become viable'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but screw turbines require external motor force =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a water wheel can drive one'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir they are viable... you just have to keep the energy levels high enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i buy land with a river, i'll happily put in a water wheel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why not just buy land, and dig a well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then make the river.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'compare to other sources? it's a natural form of energy, you basically only have to lower a cable to tap the energy instead of building machines that will dissipate most of the generated energy in the form of waste heat. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's silly, need a bore hole for drinking water and irrigation, the flow wouldn't be enough for electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts says who.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waste of a resource, you need large volumes for a decent waterwheel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'depending on the topography, there could be sigificant pressure on the water source'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, highly dependant'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no you don't tigernuts, you just need a large 'drop''
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't intend living on a large drop'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pressure differential is also a source of energy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes more sense to use the hydrogen in the water to make electricity with a fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont have to =) as long as the water flows from high point to low point gravity does a lot of the hard stuff for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'requires technology, riz'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth yeah, cause fuel cells grow on trees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends over what distance that happens, d'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they're renwable resources... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and it takes no energy to split the hydrogen from water, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'becomes an issue of practicality'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'praticality of having human beings in the stone age dig a well > 100%'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I have a cool methanol fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no, it takes no energy since it is already split :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydro fuel cells can be powered by solar'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok. tell me how to make a hydro fuel cell powered by solar, without the use of electricity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and since a company is building a methanol plant in Texas, it will be easier to buy methanol for my fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth sure, buy fuel cell fuel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that is not quite the same as harnessing a local energy source, such as with a water wheel , or a wind turbine'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, vd, you do need electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was riz who said you don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need energy to split water in useful quantities, then need to collect the hydrogen and pump it to storage'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said you dont what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, use solar and wind to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts so that's something that can be after the waterwheel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the water is already naturally ionized, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that guy in NY who built a complete system to power his house, and his vehicles...using hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you could do that (they do it at a couple of airports here)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'waterwheels transfer mechanical power... you can drive a generator... you can drive a fan... you can drive a mill. you can even drive a drill to dig with'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hydrogen may not be the best carrier for solar power though. Methanol looks promising, and actually works today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth how advanced is his system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is hydrogen cars are pricey, and not a huge supply of old ones out in the market'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, he had to quit smoking when he built his system :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Current cars technology can be modified for methanol at fairly low cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr same for butane'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you're buying the methanol that's not producing anything new'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'methanol requires plants no?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no, you can make it in a lab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas rules....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you all should use more natgas....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth mmmnm. radon'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making it in labs doesn't lend itself to green, renewable offgrid living'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure all you have to do is put a giant garbage bag over a swamp.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'neither does piping natural gas out of the ground and buying it, the way rizgoth suggests'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or tie the bag to a cow's butt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any technology that is based on increasing the carbon in the atmosphere is a temporary one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cow butts also produce ammonia'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to worry :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current price of natgas in the US is $2.24 per tcf'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a matter of co2 and the environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just think, you can add water to a cow's fart and you have all the components for life :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about not being dependant on the system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so, tigernuts. would you agree the main reason we dont have more waterwheels is that people are too lazy to dig wells?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If increased atmospheric co2 was the big problem, we'd all be pretty safe'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i wouldn't agree'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, what do you see as the mainr eason?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, higher albedo is a fun thing to have, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's stuff available from university of florida and germany to extract methane from cow shit and leave the matter for fertilizer, if the government made that profitable for ranchers and farmers to give their waste to and provided the places for them to do that then that might cut down on some of the pllution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effort vs return, and small number of suitable places, vd, local or national restrictions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos might help keep spying martians from backscattering us'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more co2 in the atmosphere.....so that plants grow faster and bigger.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a digester i heard of , supposed to be pretty good'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts effort vs return = laziness'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It doesn't work that way, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, i couldn't do it where i am now - not enough room, water pressure not adequate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's stuff like waste management in edmonton which takes the fuels from the trash and recycles what it can'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr it does, if the plants have sufficient osmotic pressure'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more co2 -> greener, more biodiverse planet (more plants & animals in more areas, larger crops), warmer planet -> same'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if money wasn't as much of an issue alot of that stuff could be used'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very few places in a high population density area where it would work'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a need for C02, sure. But plants take care of that already. The tendency to alter the ecosystem is what got us into trouble to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the real problem is a shortage of energy -> shortage of other resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tinada no, there's no shortage of energy. there's just competing demand for energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'plants left alone will produce all the oxygen and CO2 that is needed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and not cleaning up real pollution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pollution and gmo is an issue, co2 is not'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos thats not true.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos tigernuts so why not just ozone the real pollution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ozone is not the only pollutant'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ozonate*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'gee, and how did the plants live for hundreds of millions of years without our interferience?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemical fertilizers, waste'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos name 3 plants that have survived for millions of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ferns'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae has'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's beside the point. The fact remains that plants exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'plants exist. animals exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're poisoning ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'both work to excess if unchecked/unhunted'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae based fuels is the future.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree that co2 is not an issue. It's only an issue if we want humans to survive. The planet doesn't care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 is not an issue for our survival, either'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'plants have evolved just like everything else, and lust like everything else they don't need humans to mess up the ecosystem for them to survive. Besides,  it is arrogant to think that we can do better than nature.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth my ketchup on my french fries is made by genetically modified algae'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'human co2 emissions account for <10% of the total'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts what about sulfur dioxide emissions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however much CO2 is pumped into the air naturally, it's good enough.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sulphur dioxides aren't great as they can cause acid rain'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'human survival isnot dependant on co2...that is like saying humans do not evolve to the climate they live in.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is not good is to dump CO2 into the atmosphere for the fun of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Even if everything the IPCC claims is true, human survival is still not threatened by co2 etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth if we did, cell phones would cause cancer'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 levels could be 4x higher than today and we would still be drinking coffee and playing aard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would suggest reading up on evolution and technology if you really think humans evolve to the climate they live in.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except my tomato growing season would be a bit longer.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr usually it takes rickets like organisms crawling into our cells and mutating or dna doesnt it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What you have to understand that an ecosystem is a matter of balance, there is no way we can modify any part of our ecosystem (by force) without unbalancing it. An unbalanced ecosystem is an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yes, we'd be sitting here drinking coffee and playing aard, but many other species would not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth tomatos grow year round if you use a cold frame'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inadequate sunlight in the winter'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts you can use foil to increase the sunlight'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not hard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't make sunlight when there is none'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there is sunlight.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need >9 hours of light a day'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why has there to be tomatoes in the winter. That's not how they grow naturally. Next you will want apples growing in the tropics.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no you don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are millions of species we depend on directly for survival. Killing just one of them would kill all humans very quickly. E.g. bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Coconut trees in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Ranrr is correct. This is the true problem with environmental disregard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i intend having a large orangery with a nursery with banks of led growing lights to extend the growing season'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, sounds nice =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but is it profitable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be a matter of profit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, and don't forget to inject the tomatoes so that they get bigger and ripen faster.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so where you live, leds and nurseries are free?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need fruits pollinized by bees to survive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led's are cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cheap < free'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheap > starve'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lettuce has more vitamins and minerals than any fruit pollinized by bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mmnm cabbage tastes better'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you are right, Rizgoth. Humans, are not tied to the ecosystem. They can survive if they are the only things left on the planet. No plants, no animals, no water, no atmosphere. Just humans. We are ready to move to Mars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Funny joke.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... tiger, let's look at this practically'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said we don't need bees. That is crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you have a demonstration model of your grow lamp and how much space it would use?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need bees, we ened pollinators, and gmo crops are wiping them out'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok... so you're just ranting, you have no actual goal in this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you wear a save the termite tshirt also ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, vd, haven't even got the land yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts buying land is easy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, we could teach plants to build pollen carriers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easy if you have money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can buy 4 acres for about 380 dollars if i dont care about structures or roads'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can get desert land even cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're looking at around $10,000 an acre here'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but what good is that, if i gotta spend 120 dollars in gas to drive up there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so when nature is made in man's own image exclusively, will the world be a better place or what?  i don't see what kind of life has no quality beyond quality control, it seems to be pretty bland though'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'send a few plants to the university to learn methods of artificial pollination.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then i gotta bring everything with me?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say that one of the best treatments for several types of mental illness is direct interaction with a natural environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i have a few plants, i know university staff, what exactly do you want me to ask?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh, OK dr dolittle'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'invitro plant pollination....the new ag science.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, first you have to teach the plants to speak English. Then teach them how to read. After that, just give them books on engineering so that they can build systems that will negate the need of those pesky, noisy bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, put together a list of everything that it would take...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'structure, water resevoir, battery powered led lights? solar panels? what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found a new love for wheat.....used to eat mostly meat....but now I love sandwiches made with whole grain wheat bread...the big slices..not the small crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth i have wheat flour, maybe i could make some cockroach and wheat bread...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'borehole, solar panels, couple of small wind turbines, a house, a large greenhouse'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently grows more than 2x the wheat it needs to feed its people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts a small wind turbine is inexpensive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, use bees, not roaches :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'solar panels cost increases with the size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'boring a hole/ drilling is costly too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm aware of the costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then it'd be good to have a windmill or solar driven pump.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also expensive is a battery bank'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a glass panelled greenhouse would be pricy as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, battery banks are cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels are great....I have a 4k system on my roof.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as long as they can have a large form facture you can get them very cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'factor*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its when you want a small compact portable battery with high energy density that it becomes an issue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gary johnson is a good guy btw...you all should vote for him if you live in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'since a good portion of new plant growth is water, you'd need adequate water.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth who's he?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i second that, don't vote for the 2 party dictatorship, protest with Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the libertarian candidate for the presidency, standing in all 50 statses'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, he doesnt advertise?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little, he doesn't have gigantic corporate backers'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'poor guy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'principled guy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i think they should just do lifetime appointments for president, look at how much money and time it would save'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'check out his wiki page though....has his platform in detail.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a constitutionalist and libertarian'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the president could spend 4 years doing their job, instead of 3 years campaigning'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believes in the teachings of the founding fathers'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you people want to be controlled?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos for pay?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you want someone to have power over you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when he was gov of new mexico, he reduced the budget and lowered taxes, and the economy turned out surpluses....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously though, if you were planning not to vote, or were planning to vote for the lesser of two evils, go make a difference'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos because they'll pay you to let them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can never understand that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the term used on the media 'mindless electorate' verified by people's assurance that the politician with the most money is the one who will get their vote?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, its called ' money''
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he doesn't win, getting a significant vote starts to crack open the two party system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not only vote, pass on the message'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh if someone gives each citizen 500 dollars to vote for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wouldnt most americans vote for that person?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Wake up, Tigernuts :) When Wallace threatened the two-party system he got a bullet for his troubles :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ross perot got threatened too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why again you should get behind him'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, he had big ears'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's easy to threaten weird looking people'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that exaclty why you SHOULD support him?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would the honest and true government value ignorant vote's without understanding of what they're voting for (money or ?) instead of intelligent members of society who at least have a concept of what they're voting for'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you rubberstamping tyranny?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I don't care. I am not going to the funeral anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh because most people who vote, dont think that the president cares about the average joe'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that guy there, .. why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'whereas 500.00 in hand is probably better than any other politician will give them '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems most reasons are ok, but he gave me 500 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, johnson's platform is quite intelligent.....get rid of most of the regulations that stifle capitalism, and allow the states to rule over their own states without a big federal govt getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth thats iodicy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what the US was founded on'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'clinton removed the restrictions on financial speculation which caused the great depression'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and look where our economy is now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that's not what's wrong with the people. What's wrong with the people is that they treat the elected officials as royalty, as their betters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you want to get rid of more safeguards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idiocy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vd, it's not idiocy, it's making states responsible for it, not fed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'clinton was alive in the 1930s ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same as removing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to blame anyone, blame Nixon for floating the dollar, then Reagan for using the national debt to back it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt make sense for the US govt to have 700 military bases and installations worldwide.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while I won't speculate. One of the things Kennedy never got to implement was the return of the treasury notes to circulation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the 250,000 soldiers inhabiting those bases.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it does for an empire'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'treasury notes eh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the reason he was shot, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(1 of the)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no kennedy was shot because he was leading our country in a direction that mr oswald didnt like'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of the reasons. There are a few 5 dollar bills still in circulation if you keep your eyes open.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mr oswald's opinion wasn't the reason'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was just the hired gun'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are an innocent, VampireDude, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so you're saying oswald didnt think when he pulled the trigger?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm saying he was payed to'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes. anaristos shot kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos next you'll claim mcveigh didnt blow up the oklahoma city federal building'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give the president the line item veto again...and you can bet the budget would be whittled down back to surpluses.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is skirting off the point, vd'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what's next, saying the the saudis didnt fund 9/11's terror attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let me put it another way. Had he been tried for the murder (fairly) whe would have been acquitted.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the idiot supreme court said the line item veto was unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately talking about conspiracies is a wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, smoking gun, admission of guilt, public views regarding communism and capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and won't help'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're saying a 'fair trial' would have acquited an admitted assassin who was present at the scene, and had both clear motive and a rifle that had been fired?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why exactly, ' justifiable homicide' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new mexico has a line item veto for its gov, which allowed johnson to use it and remove things that were not needed......if something the govt does costs more to taxpayers than produces a benefit....it should be removed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would have acquitted him? an alibi? what is your ground for the statement he would be acquitted'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth let's get rid of ssa and the v.a. too then'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or... maybe the dod =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of reducing the dod budget by 43%'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he said you need to reduce the fed budgets by 43% across the board, but a lot of that can be done by moving power back to state level'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth wont make a difference, the way to do it is to pay dod civillians the same as you pay military enlistees'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what evidence was there to convict him, VampireDude?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos his confession, his gun, with powder, his hands with powder, his repeated statements that he'd done it and the reasons why.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what confession?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'his confession.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was no chain of evidence with the weapon, it would have been thrown out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he didn't confess to anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos since when.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless arguing about it, the house of representatives inquests make it quite clear that he did it, but was involved in a conspiracy in which the CIA was complicit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why would he be involevd with cia, when he was an ex marine and had tried to expatriate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go get people to vote for Johnson :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would being an ex-marine mean you couldn't be involved with the cia?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the CIA was complicit, but there was no evidence to convict Oswald.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i vote for johnson, will i get 500.00 in an economic stimulus check?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yes, he did work for the CIA.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vd, but the economy might not collapse which is what will happen with the other two'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the last ex marine that made news for trying to work for the cia went to prison'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with the price of chips?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and the last one before that was sent to federal prison as a convicted spy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'seems like nothing but bad apples coming out of the marine corps .'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power plant operators have been giving the feds $750 million EACH year to build a nuclear repository for the last 25 years....and nothing has come from it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should get rid of the dept of education, just give the states block grants to offer their own student loans and get the govt out of the education business.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, very much so'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth better yet, stop having education at all... let people babysit their own kids'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I would like more control to go to states... Viva la Cascadia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why not just make a new country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then vote for Johnson and get all your friends to'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods <3 DJ Matty into action!
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'buy half of a middle eastern nation, and then put up your own flag and secede...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cant be that hard'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look how easy it was for the kurds... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'doing that sounds way easier than trying to arm-wrestle the government over the state and federal charters'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're quite a negative person, vd :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The War on Drugs has not been successful, and should be ended. You can compare the present-day drug prohibition to the failed alcohol prohibition in the 1920s 90% of the drug problem is prohibition-related, not use-related. -- Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does appear that way'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well they say opposites attract.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha. Except the Kurds didn't buy anything. They were forced out of land that was already theirs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'matty well. dont look at the kurds. look at the israelites'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israelites didn't buy their land, they stole it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? i heard they bought it. was i misinformed?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, that's not quite accurate :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state of israel was imposed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews owned it before the palestinians did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing the jews did was kick the british out, then spent the next 50 years cleansing the state of arabs'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth just to be clear, you mean like 3000 years ago before, or like last 100 years before?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When the slaves fled Egypt, they settled just about where Israel is now, in Judea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really terribly surprising that Iran hates them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least 2000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, it is the same Jerusalem mentioned in the bible...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when the arabs and jews were friends.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth ok, and they can prove... that they owned it back then with paperwork... and show 'provenance' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'JESUS WAS A JEW!  '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you said they stole the land. Someone stole their land before they stole it back.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Jews lost their lands when they rebelled against Rome.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i guess this is why god had people toss infants from the walls of jericho,so they wouldnt grow up and try to retake the land.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were basically scattered to the four winds, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fighting over land seems messy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just goes to show though, that it's not black and white'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so basically... rome owned israel, and the locals tried to steal the land from rome?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no goodies and baddies in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's pretty much it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos how did rome take ownership of israel...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'was it by conquest? or stealing land? buying it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did they marry in?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the dalai llama is hated so much in the news by china?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'he likes freedom'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel is sitting on top of a 300 billion barrel shale oil field.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh cause reincarnation doesnt exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered what it is exactly, he doesn't seem like a bad guy from what i seen'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and he's basically pretending to be the prior dalai lama and claims to own all his stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually Biblical Israel was a lot bigger than the modern one. It included, Judea, Sumeria and Palestine. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos ah cool, so the israelis should take those next?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's up to them. But it seems to me that that is their intent. Else, why would the US invade Iraq and now destabilize Syria? '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'HEY!   ....Jesus really was a Jew....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos i think that the saudis have a better position should such destabilizations occur'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler tries to high five himself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, I am glad you figured that one out :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate the question is though... why should our politicians care about saudi interests... we dont exactly have a lot of public, transparent relations with them do we?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Johnson wants to end all free money to foreign govts also, phased out over 4 years, 25% reduction per year until 0'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nope, the Saudis cannot compete with Israel militarily. For one, the US would not allow it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'HEY!!!  .....WWJD? MAN........WWJD?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which even means no more $2 billion a year for Israel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tanks dont drive very far without oil/kerosene'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if one thing came out of the Iraqi war is that now the Arabs know that the US will invade them if they are in the right mood.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or the wrong mood :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'our economy is sucking, i see no reason to send large aid packages to foreign countries... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i guess that makes sense.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos not really.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'usa doesnt do the whole invasion thing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently gives away around $30 bilion a year to foreign countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we just set up friendly dictators from time to fime.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth how much of that 30 billion is borrowed from china?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'But, of course, they should have known that after watching the heroic efforts of an entire marine division overwhelm the 2 security guards in Graneda.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos rent a cops arent paid to deal with marines.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should have continued on into Venezuela.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'them rent-a-cops were some mean dudes, man.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth if we had, we'd have had to make it a territory'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's no profit to be had by fighting other countries wars, and then giving back the land'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Why do you think that the US makes noises against Chavez, Rizgoth? They want to have an excuse in place.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos speaking of mean renta cops and soldierly types, what is your opinion of the iranians qods group , compare them to some other specially trained soldiers? spetnaz? army rangers? where do they rank up?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US will not invade a country unless they can demonstrate to the world that they are the injured party.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos we dont want a presence in south america we just want friendly dictators'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and thats why it will fail'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'imperialism fails.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Venezuela is a member of OPEC  :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it failed for the british, it failed for the romans'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you want to keep a colony, you gotta garrison troops there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that's true, it failed, but in the mean time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in the meantime, its election year'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rome failed because they got lazy. Instead of using Roman troops, they hired the Germans as mercenaries. Guess what happened :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i was chavez, id try to get in bed with some of the media companies and oil companies and such that make huge donations to presidential elections'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like a casino, the money could come in the door from him in the form of subsidies or preferential oil bids'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chavez doesn't need the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and out the door from them for campaign contributions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'need/want 2 different things mate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is actually the other way around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just sent an email to the sweet candy company telling them to go back to using real sugar for their salt water taffy products instead of hfcs....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US wants what Chavez got, not the other way around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth ask them to send me a free sample'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos remember the good ole days when you could just send jets with bombs to deal with 'problem' people?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Venezuala has the most confirmed oil reserves in the whole world now.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth russia does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which means they must have WMDs and therefore must be invaded :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said CONFIRMED'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, bush never got called before the international courts, so he must have done nothing wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US must understand that if they attack Venezuela they will have to kiss Western Hemisphere relations good-bye.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nod, venezuela has a big ' don't tase me bro' t shirt on, and the rest of south america has a human shield around it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need to invade vennyland....their economy will do it for us.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could certainly march troops up and down South America, but they would only hold the ground they would be standing on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil prodution in vennyland is down 50% since chavez took power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet the US economy collapses before the Venezualan one does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in a way that's good'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not because they want it to :)  Like mexico, they do not have the capital to upgrade their oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt you'll get a sudden collapse, i think both US and Europe will have periods of protracted very high inflation'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as currencies devalue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'will? You mean you find current nominal interest rates acceptable? You must have a very nice job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'acceptable for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'acceptable for you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interest rates are broken right now'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep they are, but not to worry, we can always print more money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a disconnect between banking and the real economy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you don't mind paying 18% to 22%  on your credit card then you must have a very nice job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it is keynsian economics that has failed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos what about if he just carries a balance, makes  the minimum payment, then defaults'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan has been in a state of non growth for 20 years.....that could be our future, but I doubt it....the US economy is still growing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth when you get ' too big to fail' companies, the economy has stopped growing'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure it is growing, but building autos in Detroit that no one buys :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, simple question. if we remove the federal deposit insurance corporation, and phase it out over the next 2 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'will that force banking to self regulate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh?  US automakers are all making a profit now.  And selling lots of vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, if the Fed loses control of the currency the US will collapse, there is no backup in place at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks self regulating would bad for your money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, how so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what control is it do you think they have/'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the fed controls them buy buying and selling t-bills.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when nobody is buying?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter. They dump the t-bills or remove the t-bills from the future markets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has 3x more interest in govt bonds than they sell each month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the markets realise they can't pay it back, that interest will dry up'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, why dont we just start paying people in government bonds instead of federal pension plans'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, the US govt is thinking of about offering negative interest bonds to other countries so that they can keep their money safe with the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that way when they retire, they have the bonds, and can cash them out '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, bonds are more valuable than the dollar circulating atm :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'negative interest, so controlled deflation'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth oh, but wont that force their currencies to a set pegging?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't quite use the bonds for toilet paper :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i know a guy that sells toilet paper rolls with countries's flags on them =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if you wanted to wipe your buttocks with the canadian flag, for example... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You can't have negative interest. You are going to pay the backs to hold your money?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already do'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'banks*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they call it a maintenance fee'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what will happen, but you can't rely on history'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'because they dont actually need ' real money' in order to operate, they are able to charge a fee for holding my money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but they pay you a small amount on your savings. But what he proposes is that when you go make a deposit they deduct a fee right then and there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the world decides that it would like to use a different current to the dollar to back everything, it'll turn you guys on your head'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'back in the day, banks had to have actual money, and withdrawals would take time for large amounts'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the dollar already sucks against the euro, the dinar, and the pound'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I think the gist of it was this....you buy a $1000 bond and in 20 years you get $990 back....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if china or the saudis change currency, that alone would cripple america'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said. You can thank Nixon and Reagan for the state of banking today :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's aganst the pound roughly where it has been for a few decades'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth thats a good deal, if inflation drops'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the pound's value is artificial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos who was it that shot reagan?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they couldn't back it if there was a run.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hinkly'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody could, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos all currencies not backed to a precious object's value is artificial'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, but Britain is worse because they don't produce hardly anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they produce wool. and mutton. and tories.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the situation most of Europe is in, VD'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, boy, that's exciting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, wool underwear are a hot item in utah'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if everyone in the US bought 5 oz of silver...the price of the metal could skyrocket at least $20 an oz, and most likely much more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would that be a good thing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be for me. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, multi whole grain bread with 5 grams of fiber per slice is good.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'teenage mutan ninja donkeys instead.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, how long does it take for opiates to clear your system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): a flying donkey???!!! is fit to be tied!  Rizgoth whips out a straitjacket and ties him up.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ask your mom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'gimme her number?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ask chemosh, he visits your mom regularly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wait, chemosh has man parts?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how many saudi princes are still alive?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, cancer drugs are expensive.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Provenge, a therapeutic vaccine for prostate cancer, is priced at $93,000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Avastin, a drug designed to cut off a tumor's blood supply, can cost $8,000 a month'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could go for a good suicide pizza.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. Air Force's robotic X-37B space plane finally returned to Earth Saturday (June 16), wrapping up a mysterious mission that lasted more than year in orbit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I watch C-span & in the ghetto where I live I am considered either not much at all or the new mutation.. Check this link out. Now I already know the country ran by a mix of crazy ass people... but this shit is just too funny I'll say it for the record while I'm somewhat safe from assassination or a total assbeating "YES CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE!! USE THE FUCKIN DICTIONARY"'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'life begins at incorporation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'HEre http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/mccain-slams-adelsons-foreign-money/'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's wrong if tax payers have their society's spending cut of beneficial programs while money is donated to foreign governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh you just dont understand how a caste based society works'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand crooks, lies and extortion'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with a margin of neccessity'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'McCain is under too much arizona sunlight!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I too can identify with crooks but all one needs to do is grow some balls & attempt to turn the table like everyone else when in position to pull strings..'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'babylon 5 marathon at the donkey house!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'bigman the sun doesnt cause cancer... cell phones do'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, in the fullness of time!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth hook me up, you streaming?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why i figure most politicians have to be married with children before they can have the job bigman'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh nah, thats to prove they're not gay'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman is agreeing with that (Friend) VampireDude person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'on the other note though, chemosh that would help get even more money for tax returns once they're filed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the X-37 is an orbital robotic cruise missile that can carry multiple payloads before crashing into a satellite and destroying it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth cool... what kind of refraction time is there between payload deliveries?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It's a mini version of the shuttle designed to blow up Chinese space ships before they can get to the moon.....we dont want them to see what is really on the dark side....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I play the cnn clip over & over.. when I get tired of it.. I'm gonna watch cartoons'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imo any of the politicians one's naturally inclined to hate and expresses hatred towards in various ways could all be under situations of duress and making decisions not of their own free will'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like even stephen harper i read had some good plans before he came into power in canadian government, but lost sight of them as meetings with chinese and other people continued'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's possible that he's not really to blame for alot of the problems that his authority causes'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or any politician for that matter, obey or consequences could always be the case'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm always more interested in finding the roots of the problem, not satisfied with the pawns'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'foreign exchange MUST BE HAD! Taxes Must exist! PEOPLE NEEDA STOP THE FANTASY SWOGGLIN & realize that there will never be a moment in history where there are no taxes at all.. That would handicap the market! The Stock market has enough fuckin problems! Look at the shit people aren't really noticin what the sacrifice to get good insurance benefits just as a start! Good healthcare doesn't grow on trees or fall out of politicians's assholes!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'if we made it a boardgame it should look like battleship(tm).. Cuz Alotta guessin has to be dun & what sinks is just gone forget about it.. Ya live & ya learn'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that $2 billion resort on the baja penninsula was canceled in mexico....it could have provided 50,000 jobs or more....less people who would run to the US illegally.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'tell ya what if our government waste another 50-100 billion dollars just for some sundried washed up uninterested folk to have a market that's acknowledged period. Commissions coming back had better be almost double of what we put in... FOR FUCKS SAKE! LOOK AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU CAN SEE THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT AS LONG AS MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS! But you take it away & hypnosis breaks & they're sayin "Well What do ya suppose we do?!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'credit card fraud is up 87% since 2010....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I'm getting me a credit card! Woot!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'get one of them prepaid credit cards and rip off a red box'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prepaids dont work with redbox.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and even if they did....redbox would charge a $30 hold fee per film til you returned the film.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'i never got a movie from red box, how many can you get out at once?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 or 5 I think.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'the cheapest prepaid card i seen in a store costs like $25, so 5 movies for 25 isnt bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, it would be $150 for the movies plus the $7 rental cost :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'no name is given for the prepaid card'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'redbox charges a hold fee for registered prepaid cards, unregistered prepaid cards wont work :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Ah.. They got smarter?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'I actually prefer to download movies'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has always been that way with redbox.....prepaid cards used to never work with them until they allowed registered ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and added the fee.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks for a debate channel.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hwuaijijal ideasnotereply 21357 was incoherent from (1) a drunk stupor, (2) a mental disability, (3) esl  (4) several of the previous. -- (self-contradictory) incoherent forum notes are annoying'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also: (5) a mindf*** forum note by an apprentice troll'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be interesting to analyse the prerequisite components of a mindf*** note -- (1) must address something of concern to the audience, (2) must not be too incoherent, (3) often uses bad grammer (or USAmerican political-candidate english) to disguise the intent, (4) includes self-contradictory stances (so the audience is unsure what is being said), (5) must hint at ominous dire repercussions (if say the troll is merely ignored to gather support)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breast Feeder: 'holy wall of text'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least that was "original" and not cut-and-posted from a website'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from h lottery ::  "Each ticket has three numbers, each ranged from 1 to 50."  -- that initially suggests that each ticket gets three chances (3) at winning a prize'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's a recursive acronym'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you quit tryint to seduce the mobs, Pleiades, maybe they wouldn't kill you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think I am going to buy a remote control spy drone and spy on the mayor and his cronies since they want to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to do the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stop voting in the same cronies into congress or the presidency....vote for Gary Johnson president 2012, send a message that freedom is still important.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the people really wanted to send a message, they would each vote for themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of all income taxes, the payroll tax, medicare tax, corporate income tax, and replace them with a 23% federal sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Would kind of screw States over, dontcha think?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not at all, if you paid the 15% income tax plus the payroll tax, that would be around 23% anyways......might as well keep your money instead of handing it to the govt interest free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Although I suppose there's one or two that get by without one now'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I mean, most states count on a state income tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'to pay for stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and most state employees gain exemptions against federal income tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'states without income taxes do much better than those that have them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not as a consequence of them not having a state income tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth stats with relaxed usury laws do better than states with them'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'causation ~= correlation'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'having relaxed*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And there's only, what?  2 states without one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Isn't there already a sales tax in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bahamas does great for the same reason ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska, Texas, Florida, Washington, Wyoming, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Tennessee'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ranrr, no'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'state sales taxes, ranrr, yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'huh, more than I thought'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'definitely a big reason every credit card statement on the planet gives a return address in delaware }:>'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or nevada, or wisconsin, or south dakota'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yeah, and Nevada'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which planet is that Abe? the US planet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you know it, ranrr :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one of the meanest debt collection companes in the u.s. is based in virginia though, fyi =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they fire their own managers if they dont make quotas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not just the low level grunts'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they went through like 8 managers before they stopped taking my phone calls X.X'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they landed positions at other financial services places though ( i follow the linked in profiles assiduously)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude has a hobby.
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyways, brb, gonna work on my alt for a few hours'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The current US IRS code has 71,000 pages in it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth and doug whats his face has been in charge for like ever'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just a little bit of light reading.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what was his name schuler? scholes? schulmann?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth nod, it took me almost 3 hours to go through it the first time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they're super polite and helpful when you call the irs's phone line'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wish they were that polite and helpful at my phone company =('
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Really, buddy?  You read 6 1/2 pages a second?  Go work on your alt'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i dunno how many pages a second, but i wrote down the time each time i finished a cfr title =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Its easy to read 6 pages a second when you are stoned. Or when you are bullshitting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just think of all those wealthy people who pay little to no income tax right now who would get hit with that 23% sales tax when they buy that $100,000 mercedes, or $18 million home.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Encouraging people to not spend money is generally a bad thing for the economy, I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, good luck on that....people spend money....it is the poor people who stop spending money...and those are the ones who helped the most with the sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who are helped the most that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 8% sales tax on vehicles in Texas has not stopped Texas from being the largest buyer of trucks that cost $50k or more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If they're paying little to no income tax right now, and only 7% sales tax (depending on what state they live in), how is changing that to no income tax and 23% sales tax a better thing for them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(them == poor people)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because based on their income and spending they get a prebate that covered necessities.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which would be paid to them each month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food would end up being tax free to people who make less than 30k a year and have 2 kids, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sales tax is a bad thing in a polarised community like the US has'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as would utility bills, and other necessesities'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the grocery store needs to know how much I make?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here in Aus it works because our class splits aren't nearly as wide'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would the grocery need to know how much you make ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're charging sales tax to only high-income, they'd need to know'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is the govt going to know who is buying a store's products?  If I was a store, I'd say all of my customers were poor, and not have to pay any tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or am I filling out paperwork constantly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They way they do it is to charge all the same, then the poor get tax back'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't get tax back without filing'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont....everyone pays the sales tax...but like now you fill out a form informing the new sales tax revenue service how much you make and spent on stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So file?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that determines your monthly prebate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'constantly'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the dumbest shit I've heard in a while, really :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What? I'll admit the idea needs a lot of work, but the point you are picking is paying the tax back - it happens here in Aus a LOT'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not my fault you dont understand it, the website explains it much better....I am not a good explainer :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hard enough getting poor people to fill out their normal taxes each year'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is hard to explain the obvious good.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Easy as PISS to get poor people to fill out their tax forms here, as they get paid for it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I understand it fine...that doesn't make it less stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vakieh, they generally would get paid for it here as well...doesn't mean they're doing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Guess whose fault that is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a reason many of them are poor people...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole point of a sales tax is that it's automatic, no need to file any forms...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and this would just make it much worse for those'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you want to keep paying my share of the govt, go for it...I will thank you as I deposit my tax free income in the bank.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people suck!'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'm not rich...just sayin :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ranrr, but the point is that the exemption from the sales tax cannot be automatic'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better to make all income tax free and tax spending.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Examptions are bad. Defeats the purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't understand how it can be so difficult to charge everyone, and pay back to the poorer - it works here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is it going to be automatic?  If I buy $8,000 in groceries this year, how are they going to know I bought $8,000 in groceries unless I tell them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because plenty of those poor won't ever get it back'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, if they don't want money, that is their problem'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The grocer charges you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because you will keep your receipts showing you paid the sales tax in case the govt asks for proof...same as now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to be blunt, poor people aren't necessarily the smartest people around...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh yeah, everyone in the proj. keeps their receipts now'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well that is an entirely different issue, which needs to be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, Abe'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He said it was automatic, and I didn't have to fill out forms'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing wow about it, ana. mere fact. didn't say all poor people, but plenty of them it applies to quite well...that "plenty" figure is quite high enough to make this the worst idea in history for "helping poor people"'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your monthly prebate is based on income, number of dependents and how much sales tax you paid according to your sales tax form you sent in by april 15th.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's the way it works in sweden. We have an automatic sales tax of 25, 12 or 6 percent. No need to keep receits or file forms for the purchaser, the seller does that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the seller knows who I am?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the way we did it here in Aus was to take a 10/20/30/40/50 scale tax bracketing system (made up numbers, idk what the tax numbers are in detail) and turn them into 5/15/25/40/50'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But you don't pay back that sales tax to certain people, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you are going to have a sales tax that considers income, it's better to have income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Whilst adding a 10% GST'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the grocery store, and everywhere else I shop submits my tax forms for me? wow.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree that the plan is bad. But I think that it is bad on purpose. Just like most rebate schemes, they count on most people not taking advantage of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sales tax is a flat tax, everyone pays it, no rebates.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the people that you're counting on not taking advantage of it...are the people it's supposed to save'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'state sales tax is deductible. '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the only other way to do it would be with a special sales tax card that would keep track of your paid sales tax....but most americans might be against that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It doesn't matter who you are, it's the same for everyone. It's not your tax, it's the grocers tax. You just pay it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think it's bad simply because it discourages the spending of money.  That's been an issue the US has been trying to correct the past few years'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'national id cards usually do not go over well in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'correct, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we have enough big brother as it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should sales tax be deductable?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the only other option would be to depend on the buyer to send in the paperwork each year like they do now with income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, SMART cards are on hold, they will eventually be re-introduced. Especially if a republican administration takes office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A sales tax that requires idenfication and forms would be completely pointless. The whole point of a sales tax is that it's automatic and everyone pays the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between what shoudl be and what will be if you let it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although a way to take the bite off would be no sales tax on WIC-qualifying items'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you let it, you'll have a nanny police state'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can deduct state sales taxes, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you souldn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I personally would end up paying more tax on a sales tax system, but at least I am in control of that tax, unlike based on income.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have a tax or you don't, i don't like the idea of deductables'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have no control over your income?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why? It is technically illegal to pay a tax on a tax, which is what happens if you don't deduct it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you paying tax on a tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'taxed income, taxed expenditure of that income'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have no control over my income tax, except for the fact that I pay none and plan on keeping it that way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not like a deduction is the same as a refund.  They're still keeping the majority of the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that case, abe, all taxation is double taxation as it at some point has been earned and paid tax on'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you "plan" on keeping it that way, then you absolutely have control over it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because you federal income tax is your earning minus deductions. If you don't deduct your state sales tax, you are paying a tax on a tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Yo dawg, I heard you like taxes, so I put some tax in your tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's dependant on the order in which you pay it. Would be best if fed tax was sales tax only'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no issue, then'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there used to be a federal sales tax on some items, they called it excise tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the fairest fed-level tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was an oxymoron :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 's a l e s  t a x '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's still extra tax on some items -- gasoline, cigarettes.  Not sure how much, if any, of that is federal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think they call it sales tax, though. The tax name is specific... gasoline tax (which is supposed to go toward highway improvement), tobacco tax, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, and marijuana, strangely enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there has been some court haggling about merchants collecting taxes for the government, though. It seems that forcing them to collect taxes is a 14amend violation. At least, some courts have ruled that way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You're required to go to a post office and by stamps to put on all of your (illegal) marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'buy&'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just make sure you dont have your pot with you when you buy the stamps. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'If you're mailing pot, you're doing it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Basically so they can charge you with tax evasion as a way to increase the fines when they catch you with weed'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and don't put the stamps on the paper, otherwise your proof of purchase goes up in smoke :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In my state, at least.  Not sure how many states do that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think most states that allow medical marijuana use the stamp system to show it is legal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so just have a fed state tax applied to everything'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, but here, they require stamps on illegal marijuana, too'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how they do it in Florida. Marijuana traffickers are charged with tax evasion. So in FLA, you get the same punishment for a joint that you do for a ton. Which is why they are into so much bulk :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a fed state tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sales, sorry, not awake yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that what old Gary Johnson is standing on? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get rid of all income taxes, payrol taxes, etc, put in a 23% sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and give birth to the biggest black market in world history :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what riz was on to start the convo'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Also, I'd think that benefit corporations a whole lot more than individuals'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will a 23% fuel duty and 10% fed sales tax cover the fed budget after 43% has been trimmed?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You might be running into some problem, since current US federal taxes cover about half of the costs -> must halve costs or double taxes to balance'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, cut the budget also...min of 43%'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh sure, easy peasy'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reducing the fed budget back to 2000 levels would reduce it by 30%....and you cant tell me things are better today than 12 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be hard to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you can (a) stop most of the wars and (b) fix health and health care system, you should be ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they cut the budget 43%, we wouldn't need to discuss changing the tax structure'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could do the same thing to the UK budge'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't cut the budget, the government would stall'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government stalling is a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I would imagine military spending since 9/11 is a large part of that budget increase'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the extra 'security''
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dod spending has doubled since 2000'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes. The government has to keep spending to justify its existence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not including the war spending'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't need to, anarsitos'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wars cost money? Who knew?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the USD has back by the national debt, so that's another reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is the potentially dangerous tip-over point where a majority of voters rely on the government for handouts (see: Rome)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is backed*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Although they also are usually pretty effective at bringing the country out of recessions'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing is for sure, you need to get people to not vote for Barit Obamney'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see Rome? See the UK :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, good luck with that :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, whatshisname that's running against him is going to do better?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK budget is trickier to balance because the whole country has been dependant on social security for 2 generations'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think i could do it, though'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only real way to solve the problem is to let the country collapse and start all over. Anything else will be a band-aid on a band-aid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'line item veto is the key to reducing budgets.....snip the parts of the budget that cost more to do than they produce in economic returns.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might end up being killed in that collapse, along with losing all your property'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yay for riders'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's possible. But, I am sure that's not the reason they are not allowing the collapse :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wonder how much we pay out annually for ex-senators/representatives benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'work up to 6 years & collect for life is a sweet fucking gig if you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they won't let it collapse because the top 3% doesn't have to struggle with the idea of being a simply millionaires instead of billionaires, even though the USD is only worth about a tenth. They like big numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get money each month that the state of alaska pays me for serving on the city council of my home town for 4 years. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is going to change it if people like us down't change it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe. I should have moved to the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could revolt :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take over the system'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but wait, no, the people in the US don't like violence toward the government, just toward the neighbors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the state of alaska provides a monthly stipend to all politicians who serve for 4 years in govt for life.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you let them do that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nobody is willing to change it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would need line item veto to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US politicians don't get paid all that much on paper. It's what they get paid from corruption that hurts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many states have line item veto'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, here is what fascinates me. You say "nobody is willing to change it", even knowing that, you vote them into office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '43 states have some form of line item veto, and most of them do not use it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they get paid more on paper than the majority of their constituents...but they get good benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't, i'm not a citizen ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was the editorial "you" :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, if you say that then you are the resistance'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get to it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the vast majority of voters have no clue what is going on in the state houses, let alone congress.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, as long as I've watch the political process in the US, one thing has become clear. Every single one of the candidates lies to the voters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but they get elected anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you need a 3rd part'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'y'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 3rd party will lie too :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, obama said he would close down gitmo, but lets see...3 years in and it still exists....:)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well...that's why they got elected...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and he authorized a $70 million upgrade to the prison to boot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get to vote on which wolf you want to take a bite out of you... question being which one has the larger appetite.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe, but you would think that by now people would have caught on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'caught on to what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if everyone lies, then what's there to catch on to?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said before, Sonshi. If the voters, when they went to the polls, voted for themselves only. That would send a warning to the politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't vote for anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we already don't vote for anyone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the 13 or 14 people that vote shouldn't vote either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people are too busy trying to survive on the low income they make to worry about what politicians do, they have a short memory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they're the croneys...why wouldn't they vote?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's crap, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'put the cronies out in the field with their hands tied behind their backs. They will be to worried about what's going to happen next to vote :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '50 years of voting history in the US seem to prove it true. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if everyone votes for themselves, or doesn't vote...and the politicians, lobyists and croneys vote, then everyone didn't send a message, other than continuing that they're sheep and will take what they get'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people keep voting for the same crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone new shows up, who can shake up the process, and nothing happens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the someone new lies just as much as the current :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes and no, Abe. Someone, somewhere, will see the opportunity to cash in on the discontent. They might just figure that if they are a bit more honest, they can oust the cronies and get some power for themselves. They will realize also that if they don't play the game better, they will also be out of power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, which reminds me - the egyptian election has an islamist candidate and an old guard candidate. Both survived the first round because the former mubarak cronies wanted the old guard, and the hardline islamists wanted the islamist. And the centrists had their vote split into a million pieces.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would at least like to see more term limits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of the lifetime politician.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that as soon as the electee gets caught in a lie, he/she should be recalled :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that will make for either very honest politicians or very clever ones :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the very term "to cash in on the discontent" shows that they're no better'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but they don't have to be morally better just pragmatic. They will do well by the people because they want to stay in office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but now, there is no pressure to do well'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since when does doing well by the people have anything to do with staying in office?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not arguing that point.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the people have to stop treating politicians are royalty, that will be a start. They should take up an employer/employee relationship with the elected officials.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right now when a president gets elected he basically ascends to the throne of the US and treats the people as his subjects and the people let him get away with that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxing income creates all the problems we currently have with enforcement and freedoms.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, freedom has always been an illusion :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local, state and fed govt wants to put up to 30,000 unmanned aircraft flying around watching over you within 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you'll be safe then, right? ;)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the most amazing thing about the people of the US is how they yell and scream to the world about how many rights they have and how free they are but can't tolerate anyone who tries to take advantage of those rights :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of thing you'd have expected in the USSR'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'US being "free" is a joke :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you say "well, it is my right" and they reply "what are you, a lawyer?" :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love all the freedoms you used to have?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think I have ever been free :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA is already rewriting its rules on flying to account for the influx of new unmanned aircraft flying around looking for criminals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I saw that movie already, I think :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Phillip K. Dick knew what his was talking about :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, I think that the surveillance drones are going to do amazing things for technology :) The targets are going to start inventing spoofers, which will make the drone makers improve the drones, which will make the targets improve the spoofers, which...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just shoot them down'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys have guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you gotta be subtle, Tigernuts.I mean, you don't shoot traffic cops (normally) you just jam their radar :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well detection and jamming is a start'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, I loved the part in "Paul" where the sheriff's talking to the Brits & asks how the police in England are supposed to shoot people if there's no guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use tasers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, they use guns. Just the bobbies don't have guns,'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 007 has a gun.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am serious. Whenever there is an incident, the bobbies pull back, and a "special" squad is called in, armed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'british SWAT ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are one level below swat, they actually correspond to normal police in the US. They do have a SWAT also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the old days, of "come along, now" are over :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brits do not need police....everyone knows they are peaceful loving people, even the illegals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so bobbies are more like "peace officer" in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're supposed to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're not'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're glorified government bullies'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revenue collection officers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who's ever watch a soccer match would know that the british are not peaceful :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from what I hear, countries dread when a British soccer teams visits them :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's mostly nonsense these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is drinking and walking a crime in britain ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a crime in the US, too :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most worrying is the criminality being placed on thought and speech'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't drink alcohol in public except in designated areas (or areas where the police look the other way)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mind that law'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I tend to agree with that also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I meant drinking beer in a pub, and then walking home drunk....'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though must of the enforcement is produced by the fact that the designated areas require a license :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, drunk and disorderly is against the law.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you need a license to walk on public streets yet ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps a walking tax ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... no, not yet. That would take a constitutional amendment :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I don't know, if they have toll roads for cars, I suppose the could do it for pedestrians too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already track where you go and everything you say, they want to control food next'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or people riding bicycles into town.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, you have this very steep hill, the government drills a hole through the bottom and charges a toll for using the tunnel. If you don't want to pay the toll you climb the hill :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toll roads are becoming more common in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're contemplating road charging here with black box tech'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also contemplating that in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they already do that here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any new vehicle with a built in gps already has the black box tech built in'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether you want it or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except it is voluntary.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will just remove it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's voluntary, it always starts voluntary, then they make it compulsory'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you remove it, they'll pull you over and arrest you'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, i will still remove it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be in prison :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or buy a jammer for it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be arrested for that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh well'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they want to put 50 million people in prison because of it, they can try.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the point, we need to back them down before it goes in, it's easier than getting rid of it after'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just don't turn the gps on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't need to, people are sheeple, they'll accept it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like they already do with monitoring/recording of all calls/texts/internet searches'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck trying that crap in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will tell you when you hook up the service that, in order to provide you with coordinates, they have to track you constantly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all those people with gps active on their phones don't know what they have gotten themselves into :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently they can even listen to you via the microphone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just don't commit a crime while carrying your phone :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never buy a phone with gps in it, rather use a portable in my car so I can keep it off when not using it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do, your phone will provide with a travelogue :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wll, most phones have gps capabilities now, just don't turn it on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't turn it on, doesn't mean it isn't in use'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still use phones for what they were designed for...calling people...so I have a prepaid phone that is un registered :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, don't forget to put on your tinfoil hat. '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want to go to a place where you don't want to be tracked, turn your phone off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't take a phone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are really worried, take out the battery :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's tin-hat about it, ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology is all there'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intelligence operatives have admitted it's possible and they use it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pre-paid phones are registered, they are just not registered in your name.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'GPS receivers are not senders. Just as an example.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3g and gprs networks are'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only to the nearest cell tower though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all they need'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bandwidth caps on wireless broadband annoy me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$80 for 10 gigs of info and $10 for additional gigs of info seems like a ripoff to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll get pricier when they start taxing inter-network traffic'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because inevitably that extra cost will fall to proviers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'providers*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the clouders will oppose that. There is no point on having clouds if people can't use them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't know'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure they will, when they see the bill.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late then'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but only once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'international treaty, what are they going to do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only once what? if it's in, it's in'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'internet commerce will grind to a halt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why should people pay a fee to shop online.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my verizon fios service, but if it cost much more, I would reduce my speeds and pay less......which is the opposite of what phone companies want...they want you to use more bandwidth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't confuse "why should we have to" with "why are they enforcing"'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't the same things, they don't make legislation for YOUR benefit'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'online commerce works now because it doesn't cost the consumer anything to use it. If they have to pay a fee, they will just go to the store and buy and not buy online.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN/nwo want control of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I already pay for bandwidth with my monthly charge...if I had to pay per gigabyte charges also....i would stop using it for most things.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I remember it. But look what happened in China.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It doesn't require much bandwidth at ALL to engage in e-commerce'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one said that it did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt make sense to me to charge people to download stuff, and to charge ecommerce sites to upload the same stuff, thus getting two streams of income for the same damn thing.  The consumer would get stuck paying for both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, what tax are they going to put on e-commerce's per kb that won't be unbelieeeeeevably ridiculous when applied to something like Netflix per kb?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'England repealed its detested income tax upon the defeat of Napoleon and enjoyed the fastest, longest expansion of its economy in its long history. An expansion that ended only with the -- re-imposition of an income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... taxes create jobs'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would you do if you won $353 million after tax in the lottery ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'Have a jol'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would put it all in tax free muni bonds, and then party on the interest earned each year....about $16 million.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'ID start a mud'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many tps it would take to flood the market on aard and drop the price to 500k.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just noticed that uk 1p and 2p coins (minted before 1992) are now worth more as scrap metal than face value'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'There're a few coins out there like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were legal, the cost would drop 90%'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, is Greece going to stay in the EU, or leave ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm not sure, why did europe unite in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that Germany could tell the other countries what to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'without using weapons first, right?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the book of Malachai claims that God loved Jacob and hated Esau, laying his existance to waste - and Genesis chapter 25 claims that Rebekkah, the unclean woman loved her non-working liar son more than Esau, who provided for his family - and while Esau was out hunting and his dad was busy dying, Jacob pretended to be Esau to inherit his blessing, which for some strange reason couldn't be revoked once revelation of his trechery'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is the nature of the God of the bible, if he honors dishonest pacts with the devil over truth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that say to me that if the bible was divinely inspired, the god of god's didn't always inspire it, instead the devil authored it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'which book did God say you can have no Gods before him... didn't that imply a) there were other Gods and b) that as long as you worshiped the vengeful God first you could worship the others as well?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Would the devil author his own minions being conquered?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus claims the  church that crucified him was the servants of satan'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that 'they knew not what they worship''
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're just delusional possibly'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i understood anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lore, id spell and id command all show less than the total information available. There are only 2 ways to obtain a total identification. The service at Hester's and the Identify wish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'miss'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'test'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'can you see my message'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'UN calls Quebec's Bill 78 alarming http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/18/un-bill78-alarming.html "Moves to restrict freedom of assembly in many parts of the world are alarming," Pillay said. '
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no shit, sherlock'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'What a joke the UN has become! At what point is Pillay going to confront China regarding their gross violations of human rights. Why is the UN and everyone else such a coward when it comes to exposing the abuses of the Chinese government on it's citizens? <-> Russia, China, France, Britain and the USA are permanent members of the UN security council, and as such their issues don't warrant concern. It's very christian, 'First remove the beam from thine own eye before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers'.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I wonder why she didn't notice Park's Canada Employee's obligations to support the Harper Government too, Marxist-Leninist Stalinism in a 'democratically elected government' all of who's employees must support the winner, even if they didn't vote for him. They might not have mentioned some other places, but the evolution of evil can be seen in history, and there doesn't seem much being done by the 'mindless electorate' to prevent it, or that they can do 'election fraud'. <-> Try bad mouthing your employer, if you have one, and see how long you stay employed. Its common sense.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '^-^ Here the employer is the tax payer, and the manager is the Government. It's not as common sense as it seems.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'person gets hit on his forehead with a penis... discuss'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ideological subversion caused him to choose the coward's way out?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'english please :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's as outrageous as your saying, seemed to fit in context'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can zoggle it if you want'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ah ok... the guy who gets hit must be very short'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, midget abuse, they still do that in some places'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never found any defining features of the quality of person based on their physical appearance'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'shame the poor midgets... they can't help they're parents chromosomes ducked up :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i've met some awesome people who have physical disabilities...'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so when're you getting the pretitle "Form" ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'truly amazing people'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'have no idea ey... but i want it to be an Aldehyde with a much cooler name?? since i'm more complex :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'pornography and the children of tomorrow.., please discuss your views.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'aldehyde child porn is illegal you sicko'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'no i mean the effect it'll have on future generations etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'and how its on the increase between the youth of today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'I'm only 5'3 tall..is it okay to date someone who's 6'7 tall -_-'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'are you a woman?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'that's a bit extreme I think'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well who cares what other people think'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's pretty awesome, in places like korea they hobble females to make them taller, cause height is social status - great statement to have a reverse relationship'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you like each other, why not'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'okay sounds good..'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's natural to leave a fight if you can and you're losing though'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'putin and obama staring eachother down, is there a better picture on modern earth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18499777'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they can be serious sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i take a picture of everything i value in life, the background is they're both in control of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's not really satisfactorily the best'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you ever try to raid a clan like Light, it would be like the charge of the light brigade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'eating human flesh'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'what is a cheap supply of low grade pork? I'll take dinner with a smile for 400 alex'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so you would try it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'I doubt it, hard to insure you get safe meat, anything that could be made to disappear, is some form of street life and likely to have the accompanying diseases'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'thats why you eat a bodybuilder?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hmm I wonder if you could get roid rage second hand...'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'not all of them take those things.. Could always eat a yoga instructor'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'yoga soccer moms.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'naked yoga soccer moms'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm id eat a milf anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'pornography and its impact on the youth of tomorrow.., discuss'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'More likely question: Daddy issues on the youth of today, and their future impact on tomorrow's pornography'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'by 13, kids are explaining sex to US'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'serious guys i'm looking for honest opinions.., i want to use it for a task i have to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'at the end of the avengers, was the big headed guy modok?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuft'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. k. thanks'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die!'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'choco taco's really baffo'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth... is there another captain zoom?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am the first one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, any thoughts on Julian Assanges latest move?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ecuador, right?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't hear what he's done?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He has requested asylym in the equador embassy in london.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If he gets stuck there forever, it serves the purpose the US had of ruining the life of anyone who does what he did, so he might get away with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'what did he do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's the famous pervert :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He is afraid to get deported to the US. Which I can understand... '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't want to be deported to a place without a justice system either :/'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought it was a broken prophylactic that he was accused of not stopping or something, during consensual intercourse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Of course, it might also lead to a 'not one of our people' offing him in the night'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sweeden is the one that ones him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sweden*'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sweden will extradite to the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, we are wussies. We do as the US tells us :('
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so why isn't the US trying to extradite him? One could assume because it knows the allegations can't be substantiated...'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They can be, though - he did break US laws'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it's using this to punish him for the leaks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem was, I break Saudi laws by walking around in shorts, so there are other issues there'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No he didn't, Vakieh. US laws only applies to residents/citizens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tell the US that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, Vakieh. Thank you, that will save the expense of a trial. As soon as he is on US soil, he will be shot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's nice to meet a witness to a crime :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He would be treated as a terrorist, and not even get a trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The fuck? He admitted to doing so'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But what he did was not illegal where he did it'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can admit to anything, doesn't mean that I did what I admitted to.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In my eyes and the law, it does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, who cares about evidence :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Admission is a type of evidence'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the Swedish justice system still does. Sort of.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the point of view of evidence, a confession is just as weighty as a rumor. You might be convicted because of it, but that still doesn't mean you did it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Evidence doesn't have a point of view, it isn't alive'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't substitute what someone says with forensic evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for forensic evidence, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are plenty of people in jail that have been convicted because of crimes they admitted but never committed. This is a fact.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who's talking about forensic evidence? It is only 1 part of a multifaceted legal system'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if what you say were acceptable, then any accusation would be a cause for a conviction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Accusation != confession, stop being a moron'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is in some countries, for some crimes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'confession = self-accusation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. terrorist in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Getting back on topic, Assange admits to creating the wikileaks site, and requesting and accepting legally restricted information (restricted by the US) and disseminating it publicly. Evidence backs this up, both confession and the site itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'While I 100% support his position, the fact remains he broke US law. However, he wasn't in the US when he did so'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct, Vakieh. Not illegal, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ask Kim DotCom how well that argument is going'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ranrr, I am not denying that it is used that way. My point is, that convicting somone on an unsubstantiated claim does not prove that the person did it.  '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The laws of a country only applies in that country. Except for US citizens, that have to obide US laws everywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, is we are really going to get down to it, convicting someone of a crime does not necessarily indicate that the person did it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I refer to countries where people get convicted on some sort of evidence :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In modern society, it does. Without the possibility of 100% certainty, at some point you have to say "yes he did it"'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you just made my point. If you are not 100% certain, you are admitting that the person may not have done it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is correct. But there is a thing called "beyond reasonable doubt" for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Justice is like science, you can never be 100% sure. That's why death penalties have been removed in most modern countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, just define "reasonable"'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If he says he did it, and there is no contradictory evidence, I am sure beyond all reasonable doubt he did it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's more than that, Ranrr. Prosecutors narrow the field to a point where they can contemplate winning. They exclude anything that does not fit that scenario. So, convictions based on circumstantial evidence are iffy at best.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm Philadelphia is now the bedbug capital of the country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'So... anyone catch the Westboro Baptist Church AMA on reddit?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coins used to be worth something because they were based on valuable metal'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Made it harder to control the economy though, since as soon as the value of the metal exceeded face value, it would be melted down for scrap. Which would at least control inflation, by limiting the money supply somewhat.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, China bought $5.2 billion worth of gold in April, and $3.2 billion in March'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A new shale oil/gas play has started in Canada, in British Columbia and Alberta.....a gigantic natgas field....estimated to be around 600 trillion cubic feet of natgas, 100s of billions of new oil....but it is deep, really deep.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure hope Canada builds that pipeline to the west coast to send tar sands oil to China and Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Solar power by itself has reached 1% of supply in the US....going from 6 twh in 2005 to 56 twh in 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh noes!'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is good....need it to get to 10% of supply.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and at current solar power expansion, 10% of the world power supply could be solar by 2018.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I disagree. We need 100% solar, in the long run.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would need to cover the whole planet in solar panels, to be able to provide baseline power without interruption.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather have a mix of hydro, solar, wind, tidal and geothermal, with about 20% coming from natgas....another 10% from nuclear, but only if pebble bed reactors are used.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can be solved in other ways. Storage, solar cells in space, or maybe fusion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, all renewables you mentioned is solar power...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, you go fund the money needed to come up with new battery technology to do it....the current 200 year old tech isnt going to cut it. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Natgas is a limited resource, so it doesn't solve anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said batteries? Termal storage already works, and scaled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have enough natgas to last hundreds of years, if not longer if we make it ourselves and use the co2 for other purposes, such as to make methanol and other chemicals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, I forgot, you don't believe in global warming.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never said I didnt believe in global warming, I just dont think we should be wasting time worrying that the the human race is going to die if the co2 levels go up :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it isnt global warming, it is global climate change....'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the stupdiest thing I've heard all week.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Who cares if we all die within a few generations as long as I don't die."'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is the stupidest thing I have heard all year....no one is going to die from a little co2.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh no! the sea is rising.....of course it will take 50 years to get to my house, but lets run for the hills now....it is a slow moving tsunami!'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Severe climate change can kill us or at least severely cripple us.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah whatever, go back in your cave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Rizgoth on his head.
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There, there, don't get mad just because you think science is hard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I live in Sweden. We had certain days in June here that were COLDER than certain days in December.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'famous last words - "it's only a little gas" "what can a 1km long asteroid do to a 10000km wide planet" etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It snowed on my birthday. My birthday is fucking April 2nd.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'science my ass, global climate nuts are like religious nuts....instead of finding solutions to problems, you would rather bankrupt us with higher taxes on energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I favour rights auctions'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are welcome to come up with your own scientific theories and present them in peer reviewed journals, if you think that current theories are wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Calling someone a nut doesn't lead anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Come up with your own solutions, then, since they magically exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but absent global government, taxation is the most effective means'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, Rizgoth, are you a creationist perchance? And/or a Republican?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather invest my money in companies such as Exxon, who do the research in solutions such as algae based transportation fuels, to capture the co2 produced to feed algae.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bump up taxes on resources consumed and let the free market sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then do so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, no...fiscally conservative, socially liberal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That answered absolutely nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other words, moderate :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're an independent?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either a Republican, Democrat, Independent (or 3rd party).'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I belive you are someone without scientific training that is trying to do science. That's the way it sounds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with tendancies leaning to libertarian.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That explains a lot then...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'creating a market for emissions resources is going to be more effective in controlling emissions than individual actions'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great. Invent a way for us to harness emissions then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cap and trade is not a good idea....you will suffer economically with it, just like when govt said you would save money if they sold the utility companies to private companies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'figure out the marginal cost of emissions, sell/buy at marginal cost. More productive actions will take precedence over less productive actions, and there will be a strong incentive towards negative emissions as long as emissions has a large positive marginal cost'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the government gets money towards reducing the deficit too'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the politicians have proven that they cannot solve the problem, time after time. I think we are pretty much in the hands of scientists and engineers, and the politicians should probably stay away from the issue. Maybe some co2 tax that goes directly to research would be good, but nothing fancier.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the market is pretty good at that also.....this influx of shale natgas has reduced coal power prodution by 20% in less than 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a pipedream as long as the politicians refuse to do it, but generally corporations should pay for stuff they use, and damage they cause to others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How would you calculate 'damage' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the hard part'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's bound to be a rough estimate'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and corporations already pay for what they use.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'needs more work in that area, but you could start with a lower bound based on estimates from current engineering/scientific knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they often don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not for "public" resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure they do, the govt leases those 'public' resources to the corporations, who extract them, refine them if needed, and then sell to the public.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'main reason why corporate/personal income taxes are so low back home is that many costs are charged directly rather than through income taxation'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Any tax that is added to the corporation ends up in the price the public pays for the object.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but that increase in price is a feature, not a bug'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg, the COE system back home, where they sell rights to own a car.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about getting rid of all those taxes that you cannot see btw, and replace them with a visible federal sales tax.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you want to promote economic activity that is more productive for the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, because then you would know what you are paying.....yes, that would be efficient for the people in charge. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as opposed to activity that is less productive but appears more lucrative because it has a ton of hidden costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you removed the income taxes and other taxes from things you bought, and replaced with a visible sales tax....they would both offset eachother, and the price wouldnt go up if at all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then the tax would be easy to see, and you would know how much you are actually paying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not the point here though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not efficient, and will ultimately be more harmful for the economy compared to charging for stuff that is used'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): FengWei . o O (  )
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd take my country's COE system as a prime example of how emissions should be controlled. Different resource, but same idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'mind if i ask what country you from sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people around here are not going to go for that cap and trade.  They were already screwed on privatizing power companies, and cap and trade would just add more taxes to power generation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I'm not saying it's politically feasible, I'm saying it is preferable from an economic perspective.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back before power generation was privatizes, a kwh was around 5 cents....now it is 14'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not preferable from an economic perspective, unless you are the govt who gets the tax money :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is, because it's more efficient economy-wide. It results in lower taxation requirements elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the top personal income tax rate is 20% back home...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and corporate tax is... 17% I think'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cap and trade is a pipe dream, just let the market forces dictate where the power comes from....it will balance itself out to where it needs to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'market forces can only determine it correctly if the costs are fully factored in'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since it is impossible to quantify damage into the cost of power, you can't add it....besides, even if it could be figured out...it would affect every form of power generation, not just co2 producing ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels require certain rare earth minerals that cause a lot of pollution in the extraction process....causing cancer, and other illnesses in areas of production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd use the best lower bounds you have at first'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the extraction of rare earths is less costly in terms of hidden costs... As bad as the local pollution is, it can be more easily handled at this stage than greenhouse emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm a half gallon of milk costs $15.60 in the far north part of Canada called nunavut......they really need a year round road.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if the company doing the extracting is paying for the health costs and damages and isn't misleading people about the risks, it isn't as bad as crapping on an unwilling population and expecting someone else to fix it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's really out of the way, it might not make economic sense...'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama's father'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, cap and trade sure is working in Europe.....the price of electricity keeps going up, and co2 levels are not going down.....but in the US where cap and trade was defeated in 2009, more coal power plants are switching to cleaner natgas, and co2 production has dropped 9% since 2007.  Free market rules!'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the increased number of devastating hurricanes in the USA from global warming persuaded them'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and devastating tornadoes that near wipe out whole towns'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/06/22/sk-slumping-ground-saskatoon-120622.html the world being digested, related to human global warming, climate change, sea level rise (estimated another 4 feet by 2050-2100), or just an ordinary year?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'next year the river might be another 1.5 metres wider'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and consume 3'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'romans 23:12, john 11:15, malachai 1, genesis 27:19  Pope concludes those responsible for the crucifixion were the 'Temple aristocracy' and supporters of the rebel Barabbas http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/02/pope-jews-jesus-death-crucifixion'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the romans chapter there, the sadducees are the atheists and pharisees are the spiritualists'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'john 8:44 claims "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think that's jacob .. or the god of the blessing in genesis/malachai or who exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'John 4:22 claims Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't seem to explain much though, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzara sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'go on'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing else to go on, maybe you know best'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'i read the article, and i know a bit about jewish mysticism and cultural identity'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'i like it'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what's your conclusion on the liar they mention, and was malachai's god righteous for hating a victim of deception and eradicating his existance from earth?  seems like a killer doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they mention that division among them in the story in romans there, they aren't all in on the killing'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'oink'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'show me the passages again?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'debate -h 16'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'romans 23:12 doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'john 11:15 is about how ion wasn't present at the resurrection of lazarus'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i musta typed the wrong verse in then'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using a random number generator'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, the john 11:15 was supposed to be the verse where 11:51 instead*'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where the high priest prophecizes that jesus should die'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'later on (from memory) when barabbas or jesus is to be freed, the high priest and his clergy hire agent provocateur/people to chant to free barabbas and rely on herd mentality to make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the prophecy turns out to be enforced by money, if my memory's right and human stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except i guess jesus already knows about his fate, and it's supposedly referred to in the old testament in several places before it happens in the new'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'theres a ray of light coming in my wall shining directly across, a wooden cross hanging from a stone buddha'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'in my window, between the blinds i mean'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but look at the etymology of "Barabbas"'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'point was to show that at least some jews accoridng to the story were responsible for his death, but the pope did make that distinction it seems, and showed that not all of them were to blame for it, which is correct from the book'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'its about a half inch thick ray of light shining directly across the center where the cross intersects'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the NT bible contains contrived symbolic fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'jesus himself was jewish, no? the integration of the church in modern times synchronizes with people and their banal way of looking at things'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i'm curious about is who is the devil in the bible, if jacob is blessed who lied and stole the blessing of esau, who's eradicated from the face of the earth, and that's seen as a great blessing in malachai chapter 1'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i was trying to find out about :), good debate isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'noncatholics disbelieve the authority of the pope'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'yes and orthodox, as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'some of us no-longer-practicing ones too'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'or non-roman catholic, stateside'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the history of the RCC popes indicates debauchery depravity and wanton lust for murders'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so quoting the "pope" as an "authority" on biblical interpretation is ludicrouus'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'what about hebrew, the kaballah, the hidden names of god, and so on? complex matter, possibly involving metaphysical and astrological faculties'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'zade yeah and thanks for showing me that etymology'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's all a myth'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A pope once had a previous pop dug up, his corpse used as a marionette and put it on trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Woah'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then another pope dug the same corpse up again for a second trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chosen by God my penis.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'saying its a myth promotes commercially stratified social irresponsibility'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'you are talking about deeply ingrained psychological conditioning'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'like santa claus'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone want to be poisoned by gmo-grass that creates cyanide?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did the world's people end up so stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'T.V.'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good answer'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lack of predation'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eoh, i don't know, there are predators'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most predators that feed on humans are humans, but they make issues out of polar bears and lions instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'too much oxygen & a lack of antioxidents'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they say, what takes nature 300 million years to destroy takes humans about a decade'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh noes! ice caps are melting and polar bears can't swim!'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'polar bears can swim about 400 miles i heard on a video'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was amazed that they made a big deal out of cow-farts on the news saying they're a big ass contributor to global warming (which they possibly are), but didn't mention the waste-disposal techniques and flax-feed as much as they should'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chopping down a mountain for coal versus a farting cow'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl ... big ass contributor ... ass ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, the bigger of 2 evils is the cow i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tvwatchers of 2012, compared to tvwatchers prior to 1985, are: (1) more/less informed, (2) more/less deceived, (3) more/less stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the government doesn't demand that all products sold in it's nation have to be proven by non-installed corporate scientists to be the most energy efficient and (generally efficient) formulation of that product within the knowledge-spectrum of the seller?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because your government doesn't give a shit about you'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're interested only in money and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could use taxes for useful stuff like that, augmenting the integration'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if government make changes that improve the lot of the people, it's usually either a ploy, or just coincidentally good for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in israel for instance, they actually made a water-providing device that fuels itself with sunlight and water (or somethign) and extracts relative humidity from desert air for drinking'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that are pretty awesome aren't they?  could be useful if they don't destroy anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's pretty efficient if it fuels itself, is non-polluting and provides fresh drinking water at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something that would be more useful to the wider public would be to learn how bore holes and water purification works'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read on a interview with lenin article from university website in 1917 that he was unable to require of businesses that they provide details of where their raw materials come from and end products are shipped because he didn't have the amount of professionals in russia at that time to do the jobs themselves, but had to require that to be hidden because of american interests of their businessmen to keep on making money from certain industries.. it might be sort of like communism, except it seemed that he wanted people who are immediately impacted by an industry to be in control of that industry, from the labourerer all the way through the ranks of the business'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now that there's so much knowledge in the world and such people are available if you want to train them, it doesn't seem like people're making much use of that kind of business model'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's actually fair if it's how i read he wanted it to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you wouldn't have people in charge of mine safety who don't know nothing about mine safety for instance, which is the trade-off with the closed-business, cutting corners to reduce safety as much as possible'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because the people who would advance to that position would have been labourers and also known about the risks, and have the interest of the miners in mind'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism was an invention of the west, russia's deposition of the tzars was bankrolled by the west, mao tse tsung was put in with the help of the west, Hitler was funded by the west'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably spot a pattern here'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that the East is so lazy and inept that they need help doing anything?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marx and Lenin were (are) abominations'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they, zade? you think Obama or Merkel is any better/'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only a person who hasn't read marx could say something like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only those blind to the way things are now would fail to see that history is repeating itself as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"by the fruit the tree is known"'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would say that's a pretty retarded tree considering i'm seeing the fruits of zade on this channel :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to be rude'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course, but i insist ;)'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"ur mom" means you've already lost'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's no way of winning against a person who doesn't know what he means or is talking about'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm too tired to argue. it's easier to call him stupid for now'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be true, might be not, someone could argue the same about you'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1/10'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a T9+5 speaks on debate, some folks listen -- but the unsubstantiated opinions of a mere T3 -- nyet'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell? Anyone have an update on the Justin Lew Harris case?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who's that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, in October of last year, his mom burst into the church where he was marrying his fianci to loudly protest the nuptials. The mom claims he just assaulted her for no reason, he says he carried her out because she was disrupting the wedding, which was called off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He was facing criminal charges and the presiding jduge at his arraignment gave him a lecture about treating family members with respect.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The priest corroborated his story about her yelling and being disruptive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty what he did was legal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He should have called the police, honestly'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that the mother is pressing charges proves how messed up she is in the head.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'His mom is a total cunt for what she did, but unfortunately the law is on her side'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't eject fucktards from your own weddings?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'ask a nightclub bouncer'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Various articles (which seem to stem from the same source) claim his cunt of a mother was seeking contact with him. Yeah, she should've thought about that before destroying his wedding day AND pressing charges against him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'hard to guess why she lost contact ehh'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But seriously, why can't you eject people from your private parties? People can be ejected from restaurants, cinemas, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's strange is that they seem to have had a decent relationship prior to her stunt. He invited her to the wedding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i'm thinkin it's the courts place to decide if he's in the wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again I ask: What law(s) did he violate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'who knows, these things vary a lot, and you don't know all the details'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's assault to grab someone, end of story'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'not that simple'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The mother refused medical treatment. Either she's nuttier than squirrel poo or she suffered close to no or no injuries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In this case, yes it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no it's not, the court decides that'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? Grabbing someone and carrying them otuside is assault now? So how come bouncing is a job?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And yes, it's up to the court/lawyers to sort it out, but the charges are valid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because case law has established that that is the case, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'charges are valid, but may not be upheld by court'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, then your laws are stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The proper course of action would have been for him to ask her to leave, and then to call the police when she refused to comply.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And actually, whoever owned the church probably should have been the one to ask her to leave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If she refused, she's trespassing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I doubt the owner was present.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well, here in australia you can use 'reasonable force' to protect yourself from someone, up to and including killing them, but you will still have to go to court and convince a magistrate that you were reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This wouldn't have been a self-defence situation anyway, disrupting a wedding does not justify the use of force to stop it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'depend on the mothers actions'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She was just making a scene, yelling and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Being a cunt'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'mum might have tried dragging bride or groom outside, tried slapping the best man who knows'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't seem to be the case'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She's clearly nuts. I hope he got off or at least with a light sentence (probation).'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you don't know wat happened from a newspaper article'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The priest corroborates the man's story. The mother is lying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Neither do you :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So she came to his wedding and immediately started ranting and raving about how they shouldn't get married. You'd think that'd be something she'd tried to talk to him in private about. And if they had already talked it, she had no right to pull what she did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'true, but you are passing judgement based on an incomplete picture, i'm just saying the court will find out what happened, and pass judgement'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fact of the matter is that she is LYING HER ASS OFF.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you think Justin and the priest are in a conspiracy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fact of the matter is, she's a cunt, and cunts don't usually do reasonable things'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'karma will get the bitch  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'one way or another'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Somehow my search for more info on the Justin Lew Harris case brought me to an article about a scumbag priest who abused a bajillion kids, including a 6 yearold, who he forced to perform a sex act on his 4 yearold brother. The Hell is wrong with the world?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 6 yearold later grew up to beat the priest up and is facing criminal charges. The priest cannot be prosecuted for the molestation because the statutes of limitations are up. Remind me again why there's a statute of limitations on child molestation and murder?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'catholic ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jesuit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There is no statute of limitations on murder'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'thats what a vow of chasitity will do to a man'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In some states, there is.-'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least, not anywhere in the US that I know of'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless the crime shows are lying to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There kind of is - can't ve prosecuted for murder after you die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Crime shows frequently lie'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 've = be'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'TV frequently lies.... FTFY'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hmm... apparently there is no statute of limitations on murder in the U.S. Either I'm misremembering or the case was concerning a murder in some other country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think any country in the history of ever has had a statute of limitations on murder'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... apparently there is no statute of limitations against kidnapping, treason, murder, fraud, forgery, embezzlement and war crimes in the U.S. But there is one for rape and child molestation. What?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statute of limitations has nothing to do with the severity of the crime, it has to do with how provable the crime is after a long time'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if the guy convices the judge he was molested the judge will give him minimal sentance methinks....  or even allow things in court to aid the molest victim'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why does it matter? If you can't prove the rape/child molestation, then you have no case. If you can, the bastard should rot in prison!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'opps mistrial'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The guy doesn't have to convince anyone. The prosecutors prosecuting the case have openly admitted that there is evidence he was molested by the bastard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'very unlikely he will go to jail then IMO'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Of course the prosecutors claim there is evidence... they're prosecutors'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, the judge has allowed defense to bring up the molestation charges during the priest's cross-examination. If he denies the charges, the defense is allowed to bring up to 3 witnesses to the stand to testify to the charges of child molestation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why would the defense bring up witnesses to verify the person's guilt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The prosecutors would be the ones trying to prove his guilt'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think the priest's own lawyers are openly admitting to the molestation charges. This guy got off scot-free (legally) with molesting a bajillion kids (20 of whom ahve come forward)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The defense would cross-examine the witnesses to attempt to discredit them'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're misunderstanding the case.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A man is accused of assault. He committed the assault against a priest he claims raped him and his brother (and forced them to rape each other) when he was 6 and his brother was 4. He says he beat the priest up as vengeance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The (former) kid was stupid to commit that assault'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His defense is that he felt it was his moral obligation to beat the bastard up. (The bastard was never prosecuted for his crimes and the statute of limitations has run out for all of them)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if you want justice, take the evidence that the priest is a molestor to your local rough pub... pin his photo and address up on the notice board'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The law will disagree that it was his moral obligation'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah. But the law is stupid for having a statute of limitations on chidld molestation to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course it is. If you can't prove molestation occurred, then what's the harm? If you CAN, then there IS harm in not allowing it to go to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The injured party should have made some complaint sooner, after too much time it's a waste of resources to try to prove something for which evidence no longer exists'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But evidence DOES exist. The priest friggin lost in civil court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And he's ADMITTING TO IT.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The harm in not being able to prove it, but trying anyway, is wasting the court's time and the taxpayers' dollars on something that will bear no results'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'of course if the guy admited to abuse in the past... he will do it again, or is currently doing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Losing in civil court is not necessarily sufficient to prove guilt in criminal court'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prosecutors should not allow cases with flimsy evidence to go to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Instead of simply not being allowed to bring cases too old to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't believe this site exists: http://www.savewhitepeople.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that their loons are allowed on TV. Why do American networks allow loons on their TV shows?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i found this one from google: http://faem.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the First Amendment Exercise Machine'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'News corporation have no obligation to let everyone and anyone on the airwaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't agree/disagree with their webcontent, i just found it and it sounds like your link, there's another called stormfront that i seen awhile back'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna, what country are you from?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Stormfront is openly white supremasist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody on here was talking about a peoples democratic party of germany, so i googled it and looked at their wiki, which claims they're infiltrated by over 120 government agents'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany this one rather*'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cops have been known to commit crimes to get deeper into the organizations, possibly causing others to commit crimes which they then convict (agent provocateur) it's part of totaliatarianism'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the winter hill gang in chicago is one that i heard of on history tv, the fbi actually had a mafia boss working for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'caused all kinds of murders and stuff and they wouldn't have noticed it if somebody didn't blow the whistle'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's around the same time the cia was alleged to have smuggled cocaine into america from a nicaraguan airforce base though'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is this, pro-neo nazi day?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you posted a link that i didn't go to that looked like white supremecist website, so i posted some content that's similar, i guess yours was about their freedom of speech as opposed to any of the other race's freedom to racistly express their ideologies to their minority audience of free will'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i showed a conclusion that it's possible that most hate-groups however racist, are ran by the government, who their members think they're disconnecting themselves from, which causes them to be more maleable in control of the 'cult leaders''
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My link was a condemnation of certain parts of the human race. As in "I can't believe there are pople stupid enough to write this crap and people stupid enough allow those people to appear on TV".'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, they advertise final destination 5 behind the umpire on a major league baseball game at rogers stadium in toronto'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is probably watched by alot of children who aren't very conditioned to extreme horror violence at that age yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then they have themselves a engram of what is that sign about to look up on the internet, possibly, but there's all kinds of deterioration apparent throughout all media and the whole world'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what exactly was on that poster?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless the poster itself was gruesome, there's really no problem here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the final destination 5 logo and slogan, possibly with a indicating graphic drawing peoples attention towards it'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other words, you don't know. ("Possibly")'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so are you saying lies are a problem, and their content doesn't neccessarily have to have any weight, but not looking them up makes them dangerous, but a advertisement is ok, even though if they look up the false claims of it's content they'll find more than they xpected?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're adveritizing a movie. How are they making false claims?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'As in "I can't believe there are pople stupid enough to write this crap and people stupid enough to allow those people to appear on TV"'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'On debate shows and news shows, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you equate spouting off racist lies on TV to showing clearly fictional movies on TV?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Chris Rock calls the actor of Lethal Weapon movies a Nazi, clearly being an american white male'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you THAT desperate to win some kind of weirdass online debate or are you just a white supermacist doing a bad job of acting like a "normal" person?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how can that be not equated to racist lies on TV?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm done here. You need help.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you sound like the Angel of Death'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Alright.. Dissin the Ranger class is Gay! Lasher told me this & we ALL know Lasher is never wrong..'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the new drones the US are deploying for surveillance can be spoofed because they use unencrypted civilian GPS'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"woops"'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack, scientists have hacked into stephen hawkings brain, and a volcano erupted!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, an american company has devised a way for the physicist to talk via a computer while wearing a headband that reads his brain waves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with CNN (possibly viewed by 80-200 million people) reporting that Aliens are a serious threat to international security, and must be defended against - as in little green men from outer space - is the news very trustworthy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They live on Mars and Venus.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not saying aliens don't exist, but i don't see their little green spacecrafts independence day with will smithing city's very often'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems that people are more of a threat to people than aliens at this time, and the news focuses on the odds of meteors, finding water on the moon and setting up a defense perimeter against the borg instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, you expect them to be more real at least, they deny god exists but have faith in the little green men dreamt up by science'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they are a real threat.. who knows'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the biblical context of the word alien means foreigner, or stranger - and defines mysterious actions by 'deity''
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are, any aliens out there are WAY more advanced than we are, or WAY more primitive than we are.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was stephen hawking who mentioned the alien threat, why i mentioned my question of the validity of the media'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in year 2000-2001 they sent a time capsule into outer space, to land on earth in 25,000 years - while looking it up, i found out that (maybe the UN) has a 'alien communicator' located in malaysia'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure what the wage of alien whisperers is, but it seems like a funny kind of place for that kind of job doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the long distances of outerspace are a quarantine against aliens (unless the aliens are also psychic and able to sense where to find more food variety)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"To serve man" is a cookbook'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'living in the middle of nowhere in the milky way galaxy is both a good thing and a curse....'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but he didn't list the alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle of the milky way galaxy is purported by geek scientists to be a giant black matter location -- Star Trek was wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What?!  God isnt waiting for us to bring a starship to pick his butt up and take his worshipness to the peoples of the galaxy ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the darwin award given to 15 golf workers who escaped to a metal shed on a golf course at Foxwoods Casino during a lightning storm.....a bolt of lightning hit the shed. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inconclusive -- maybe they were safe inside the metal shed'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Typical govt bullshit to keep people scared and controlled.  "These indoor cannabis grows are extremely dangerous, use an array of hazardous chemicals and fertilizers, and by their very nature have significant health and extreme fire hazards. A citizens tip led us to this finding and we are thankful for our community partnerships,"'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Texas charges a 20% stamp tax on marijuana....or $3.50 per gram.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the days when you could catch king crab off kodiak island Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'My fav restaurant in Kodiak has a king crab that is 14 feet across....one of the largest ever caught....and crabbers think 4 foot across crabs are big now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riversong: 'Rhett and Link single-handedly justify the existence of YouTube. End debate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers found that overweight people burned 350 more calories a day, on average, when they ate a low-carbohydrate diet, than when they ate a low-fat diet. '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nato-backed rebels pillage and defile christian churches in Syria today'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as storming a tv station killing 7 journalists'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Almost 600,000 ford f-series trucks were sold in 2011, the most vehicles sold in the country.  The toyta camry was 3rd, selling 306,000 vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chevy silverado truck series was 2nd with 410,000 vehicles sold in 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't mean everybody's rich enough to afford a 50,000 dollar vehicle though, alot of those sales are probably people who get a new replacement every year and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'company trucks etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if 300 million - 20 billion dollars in a year is directed to inspecting imports, and nearly every product on the grocery shelves violates one or another health regulation in how it's produced, should that government system be overhauled?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'china complains about canola having blackleg virus on it, which affects nothing to do with the seed which they use'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but other places don't complain about things coming from there'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just dish out the petroleum, coal, diamonds, gold etc and accept the trash they're given in exchange (the processed products/byproducts)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if what's left of the non-chinese nations don't stop their governments from removing all regulations that exist, they'll become third world countries with immigrant chinese workers in 15 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and weed out the frauds at the top'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think mostly canadians will be operating the alberta oilsands owned by petro china (the crown asian corporation)?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe in afghanistan's petro china outlets'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll take over entire society just like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see it in my local community, the korean hotel owners hire korean construction workers from 100 miles away'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so much for 'multiculturalism''
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of those immigrants have bank accounts padded by their governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do that, cause a) racism, b) loyalty to foreign government, c) keeping foreign government's foreign funding in circulation of foreign investment'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which are the hotel owner, other business owners, and the construction company owner'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'over time all businesses get replaced by their administrators'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why allow them to live in the community if they do nothing but remove the people who live in it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what wars are fought for'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of the numbers, how many foreign businesses (owned by immigrants) could be floated on 257 billion dollars per year in extortion funding through a evil european government?  '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one i read about, and that's before it's crown corporations (international) and stuff's income is taken into consideration'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come all the critics of petro-canada who called it anti-competitive communism don't squeel at petro china, which replaces it?  exxon also has 17 oil contracts owned by russia's crown oil corporation'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in north america, in exchange for drilling in the sea in russia'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are bigger fish to fry'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of funny when they criticize crown corporations comparable to democratic socialism, to anti-competitive communism (stemming the flow of destruction and outsourcing of mineral wealth), and don't criticize crown corporations from actual communist nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who runs the news i wonder?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fascism isn't always socialism though, and communism can be fascist'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the end of this form of capitalism is communism, it's effectively selling freedom'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are totalitarian versions of socialism and conservative nationalism, respectively'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a bit like how crap with yellow dots and crap without yellow dots are the end product of corn and rice respectively!'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Who won? Marco or Polo and WHY?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: '^_^ Just wanted to know if anyone ACTUALLY used this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody uses it, piss off'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mye points excitedly at Chemosh!
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'You on the rag Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Then shut your mouth when you're talking to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Can't stand bitter people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be enjoyably spammed, type debate -h Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'ROFL'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'come up with responses to all of that, if you have the thought patterns for it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yuna was talking about how people who conspire racist theories should be silenced by the government, while not including any other race but whites in her silencer (their), so i provided a typical hollywood example of un-neccessary and flatulent racism against whites being force fed into the common white american mind through hollywood'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine zade's a asian or one of the kind of people who develops those mind-tricks'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zade is a whitey'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lethal weapon with chris rock and bruce willis was a valid example, because bruce willis is a white american, which wasn't nazi germany, and chris rock was a black man, who wasn't a victim of the nazi germans, but by some inherited crime of slavery, which spain/rome/arabia/france and britain all took part in blacks were subjugated in historical slavery, not inherent in the time frame of lethal weapon movie by 50 years or more, chris rock claims bruce willis is a nazi in the movie'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of course he has the righteousnessness to do so, unlike mark twain and the n-word in his novel'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , who wrote the script for that movie, if they punish dead authors and replace n-words with slave, how come they don't punish hollywood producers?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'false-allegations that all whites are nazi's are ok, but nothing white allege is legal'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's racism in lots of movies though, and some races get away with it more than others'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some more, black 'rap artists' call eachother the n-word constantly, black rap is replacing other music variety's in the background of most television commercials aired on all stations, MTV is largely frequented by developing teenagers who listen to black people call eachother that but don't think it's strange, it's illegal for anybody but a black person to use the N-word in speech'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think it's safe to leave off the "black" adjective when referring to rap artists. You need only indicate when one isn't black.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in siberia, russia - islamically motivated politicians are moving to outlaw the bagavad gita for being 'extremist literature' seriously considered by the courts in russia, who are blind to extremist muslim literature'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dagestan is the most violent place in europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government of mongolia revoked the claim of an ancient hindu temple built into a mountain to cater to muslim immigrants, as a historical site'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the UN chastised the government of austria for their propaganda on their website, and political movement to close mosques and export muslims belonging to them if they're found to be working against the state'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rules of the land before rules of the god , not acceptable by the un'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racism and segregation everywhere, people just scorn people who question it'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on canadian grain commercials, dekalb's voiceover includes a black man claiming 'this is my wheat field' while canada has no history of black slavery, they didn't use a native american instead and most canadians immigrated after the subjugation of the indian population from governments like stalin and hitler, of course they're talking to the general audience who recognizes that africa feeds itself and black people are historically canada's providers'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much of other reasoning for it, it seems like it's definitely engineered to be racist in one way or another, even if it's just asking the question why is it put together this way?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/09/burn-a-bush-michelle-obama-invites-rapper-common-to-a-poetry-reading/'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when's the last KKK-member american president?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably been awhile, the other side of the racism kind of thinking's just find though'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Only ever been one who was confirmed to be a member, Harry Truman.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "flock of bats" sounds more eco-friendly and accurate than a "colony of bats" '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except that flock would be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/about/faqs/animals/names.htm'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I love that site.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, what do geologists know about animals :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a colony is a fixed location, yet when some of a huge number of bats flock out of a colony, they are a flock and not a colony -- so the use of "flock" or "colony" depends on the location and what the bats are doing'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Maybe "a flight" instead of "a flock"?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a flight of bats aflight" sounds corny'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, you could drop the "aflight" since it's implied.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a colony of bats aflight" sounds wrong when some of bats are not flying'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"aflight" was used as a verb, not as part of the description'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'does a flock of bats run so far away?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a flock of bats aflight" sounds just right'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not often you get to make Flock of Seagulls jokes without the band being the punchline.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I get to make flock of seagulls jokes at work, making fun of an employee's out of control bedhead :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a flock of bats fly out of a cave opening, they are reminiscent of those flying attack swarms in Matrix2'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or the "looks clear" scene from Pitch Black.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'english is a dynamic language, not an inspired holy set of pedantic scriptures unable to be changed'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw Chemosh: '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Fiendish and Starling  fit the profile of (pedantic esl) asians'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've just racially profiled them as asians?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't talking about any select group of people, i was talking about equal enforcement and judgement of what constitutes racism and how some seems to slip the gaze of the enforcers against whites'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who always get the spotlight if they have any words that can be seen as racist'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"white" english speakers are far more flexible and less pedantic (than foreigners seeking to prove they speak english better than english native whites)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Zade's quite the racist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heheh'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I wonder if Zade is from south africa.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have no problem with not saying anything racist, i don't even have to call white people nazi like rappers do in their music, to feel a member of a whole - it's now a derogatory term you see, i just wonder why all races in a multicultural/multiethnic society, muslims, jews, indians, blacks, whites, asians don't all have to conform to 'what is racism' and avoiding that in speech, if any of their groups is going to be suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it just seems that some are pampered and others are silenced, and white people seem to be the ones being silenced most of the time in modern society'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could be wrong, i know muslims face terrible persecution in some places, but also they persecute anybody not a muslim in alot of their nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zade was born in North America, with white parents'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish wonders how proud Zade is of that last part.
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, go go supreme court...finally did something right....upholding the crappy health care law.....now just change it to universal health care that competes against private insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost want that neocon Romney to win now so that Obamacare can be repealed before it further bankrupts the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZGPWeuok4'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, a guy sold some drugs to an undercover cop, and used the money to buy some lottery tickets....he won $80,000, but the police seized it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, under the RICO act.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Massachusetts bank robber accused of violating his probation by scratching and winning a $1 million lottery ticket will keep his windfall and will not face jail time as a result of a court hearing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bank robbery is not covered by the RICO act :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither is check fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but using gains from a drug transaction to purchase an item flags the item as sizeable. '
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a drug dealer is automatically classified as a member of a Corrupt Organization :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you are going to be a drug dealer....just bury your money somewhere safe...and then when you have a few million....retire from the drug industry and live low, in cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or use a class I laundry service :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'like Morgan Stanley or Chase :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine in Alaska sold weed to get enough cash to buy his seiner boat....now he lives his dream fishing all year :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he might get visited by the IRS one of these days. That is usually Plan  B against dealers not caught in the act.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt it, he has been fishing for 20 years now, without a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'weed is a federally controlled substance so you must have a tax stamp to sell it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is one of the lucky few. But Alaska seems to be the place to get away with that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he paid cash for the boat, and permit from the previous owner.....the permit is probably worth 20x what he paid for it now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he must have done it before the banks played nice with the IRS.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would it matter regardless?  He paid cash to the owner, not the bank. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can buy anything in cash, the problem is that the seller then has to mask the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the seller can't deposit the money either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure he can, over time as a part of anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as he can show a legit source for the cash, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's money laundering 101.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'iirc the IRS-bank agreement in the US is the same as here - under $5k and the deposit isn't reportable'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Alaska, people sell firewood and everything else for cash....Cash is more important than banks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'officially, the bank will notify the IRS at 10K. Unofficially, the bank may notify at an amount as low as 2K.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well there you go. 10 staggered deposits and he's home free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not to mention the seller isn't responsible for the source of the buyer's cash'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'banks track your behavior stochastically, if you deviate, you raise a flag. Whether the bank acts on the flag or not is up to their internal procedures and unofficial agreements with law enforcement. '
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, during high school, I used to dive in near the canneries harvesting sea anenomies and sea urchines for $10 a pound to Japanese businessmen who would have their chefs cook em up. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could make $1000 in a couple hours back then, was great.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's fine as long as you just pass the cash along and it is under certain amount. If the chefs try to deduct the money paid to you as expenses, then you are subject to be looked at.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, let's check out "This kid who said his name was Rizgoth" - it's never going to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never had a problem depositing cash into the banks....like I said, Alaska runs on cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a lot of canneries pay by check now though, but you can still get cash if you push for it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not in particular, but yes in general. If restaurants suddenly start claiming deductions for their raw products in sufficient quantities, the IRS will want to know who is liable for the tax for the transaction. A deduction you claim just means that someone else has the obligation to pay the tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's why retailers don't pay taxes on their stocks, but the consumer does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here we have a GST, and everything is much simpler :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but most people just sell thier catch to the cannery, get a check, and then run to the bank and cash it, then hit the bars. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, that goes on a lot. I bet the cannery just treat the small infusion of stock as if they caught it themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should get rid of income tax, and replace it with a sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they consider the lost in deduction as ample payment for the fact that they don't have to finance the elements necessary to make the catch.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, not exactly small amounts of catch.....a decent seiner can easily catch 30,000 lbs of cod in 5 days.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps 50,000 lbs of dungie crabs in a week.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the check is of any size, the seller of the catch will have to declare the income. There is no way that the IRS is going to ignore checks that large being converted to cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the checks are usually split into more than 1 check....a boat has a contract with a cannery...the boat expenses get a check, the owner gets one, the captain gets one, then each crew gets one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a single individual with personal equipment can go out, cash, and sell for a small check and get away with it. Once the cash reaches a certain size, there is no way to hide what's going on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'catch*'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The cannery is not going to issue checks for 5K or 10K without claiming expenses. They are not a charity :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 90s, checks were a decent size, bigger than today anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could easily catch 1-2 million pounds of king crab around kodiak island back then....now you have to go to the freaking bering sea to catch king crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kodiak island king crab is banned.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Probably because people were catching one or two million tons all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lucky for me, I don't eat crab meat :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can still catch king crab around kodiak island for self use, but that is it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Had Alaskan King Crab once - near orgasm from food'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa still catches a few hundred lbs a year for freezing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish I could feel that way. I have never taken to crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'butter hp'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My brother asked the waitress if it was good - she told him someone died to catch it for him (brother was 13 at the time)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when my grandpa used to catch king crab around kodiak island, the largest crab in the world was caught....a 15 foot red king crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but red king crab is tasty....much better than blue king crab...and dont even bother with orange king crab, or violet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dungie crabs are my fav though....and luckily you can catch them from alaska to california'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and opilio, or snow crab is really good also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder why atlantic ocean has lobsters, and waters off alaska and western canada do not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riversong: 'water temp, and it is a long swim'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why does asia have tigers and africa lions?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'God is afraid of ligers?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it was an agreement that they separate, because the magic of the ligers would be overpowering'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lions and tigers existed together in North America, together with Thunder Birds...'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course pacific alaskan salmon is better than atlantic salmon....'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their sheer awesomesauce killed all of them though :-('
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and bristol bay salmon is the best in the world, except for copper river reds and silvers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are thousands of different salmon species, have you tried them all?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course bristol bay salmon will probably go extinct if the pebble mine is ever started.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have tried king, red, silver, pink, dog, and cherry salmon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cherry salmon being popular in east asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the others, except for the dog salmon, being popular in western countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and japan.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and razor or butter clams the size of your hand....or at low tide, the beach rocks covered with mussels.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my name is michael westin, and I used to be a spy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Are you Magic Mike?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I said, I was michael westin.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that show can get boring...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'So Zimmmerman is looking to get bonded out again. What are the odds he sticks around for the trial?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It won't be his money, just some cash he got off paypal. I'm thinking he just dips out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He's been fried by public opinion even now - his only option if he flees is to hide out with the KKK - and last I heard they aren't too fond of Hispanics either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're saying his ex-girlfriend believes he held "racist ideologies" .. so he might be able to get around the Hispanic thing. But he's half-white, which may be worse for him as far as the Klan is concerned than if he was simply Latino. But he did shoot a black guy, I guess they'd like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He skipped a deposition a few years ago and got fined ten grand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is a jewish name,and he looks jewish'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Still not likely to ingratiate him with the Klan, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He has friends somewhere, though. He managed to utterly disappear for several weeks last time he was out. And before the bond hearing, when he was just in hiding, his own attorneys couldn't even find him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Zimmerman stalked and murdered an educated black '
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'What sticks in my craw is that he was specifically told not to approach Martin, that police would be arriving within minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, he wasn't - the operator said "We don't need you to do that"'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doesn't make it right, but too many people are spouting bs about this case when they don't know the facts'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the KKK may justify 'euthanising" uneducated inferior ugly-looking blacks, but not good-looking educated blacks'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that one I would love to hear...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's forget for one second that "ugly" is a subjective concept...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if the community was gated, then the probability was that everybody in the community was connected to money and influence -- but then what was Zimmerman doing there in that gated community except that he was connected to the jews'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'http://www.eurweb.com/2012/06/cops-zimmerman-couldve-diffused-situation-before-shooting/ ... Det. Chris Serino presented a report that said, among other findings, "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement..."'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concept of "ugly" is fairly universal'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you sound just as bigotted as the shooter seems to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the concept of ugly is only "universal" within a group, which does not constitute the universe of discourse, but rather, a subset.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the moral of the story is that white jews are not supposed to commit miscegenation '
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that supposed to be a liberal pronouncement?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to be politically incorrect and state the truth 
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wow, Anaristos, haven't you worked out who Zade is yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a few seeds in that pile of truth and you'll have a nice lawn.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have an idea :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not Bill Maher
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's pretty obvious :P i worked it out by his advice on q/a'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not Don Rickles
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but those celebrities may be role models'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not sure if he's really that stupid or just pretending'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is method to the madness'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canadacare is superior to Obamacare (aka Romneycare) ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The beauty of all those "I'm taking my ball and going home" tweets? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They've had nationalized health care for quite a while.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hard to find a developed country without nationalized health care that isn't the US...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fucking McCarthy ruining things years after he died'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If anyone can get healthcare, even bums, the terrorists win'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But do they have lions? Only in Kenya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en3PZ09fue8'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see your point, Ranrr :) A bum should just be pushed to the curb. Let the maggots eat him while he is still alive!'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can infer from your statement that for you only the certain members of society should be entitled to health care :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah. People that don't get insurance are stupid and ugly and deserve to be sick.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, I am ironic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ugly people are the worst'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that insurance is the natural order of things. If you don't feed the corporate masters then you should die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unless you live in a civilized country, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would tend to agree with you if insurance companies paid when they lost the bet, but they don't, they try their best to avoid paying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so they insurance companies are not in the business of insurance, they are in the business of separating the capital from their customers and dribbling back a portion of what they promised they would pay. Unless it was Tuesday in July and it was snowing, in which case they don't give anything back, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ugly people are ruining the MUD's picture archive'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true, everyone playing here is ugly! With one notable exception: moi.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In my world view, everyone has equal rights to healthcare and education and these should be provided no matter how rich or poor you or your parents are. Maybe that makes me a commie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that doesn't make you a commie :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet some people in e.g. texas would call me a commie for making a statement like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, once they get an education they will see the error of their ways :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah but you should hear what we call Texans when they're not listening.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not just a southern thing, though. We've been using our health care system so long, it's almost impossible to imagine it as anything different.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Even though there may be a better way to do it, it's difficult to imagine that giving more people coverage won't result in some sort of loss to the people who currently enjoy nice insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But Obama doesn't really want to send more people to see doctors. Sick people get disability, or other help, most of the time. He wants the "young immortals" to pay in so the sick and the elderly can maintain their same level of care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you blame Obama but you don't blame hospitals for charging 7K USD a night for a room.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming him. It's a broken system, and there's a lot of blame to go around. And it's only going to get worse as more and more boomers retire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 2200 USD for setting a broken arm. Or 800 USD for telling you you have the flue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, but for most people in their 20s, 30s, and even a lot going into their 40s, paying out a couple grand to have a broken arm set is a lot cheaper for them than spending a couple hundred every month for insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what's breaking universal healthcare, not the idea of universal healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Universal coverage works in a lot of places with similiar demographics. But it comes with a lot of changes, like banning advertising, and it also ends exclusivity based on money, which is really important to a lot of rich folks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you americans lucky that Obama has now got past his Obamacare law for forcing a new tax on the public in order to benefit the profits of insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whomever voted for him, give yourself a golf clap'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to know why geodes are so freaking expensive.....they are not diamonds afterall.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'cause they're pretty and rare, just like diamonds'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'want to buy a 17 lb geode for $35,000 ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'locate animal is only useful in a general sense, anyway. Unless there one or two mobs with that name, it is next to useless for most purposes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of the 16 million americans who fought in WWII, almost 410,000 didnt make it home.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any liberals here still haven't worked out that Obamacare isn't universal healthcare and is in fact just a tax paid to insurance companies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hey in the bible, in hebrews, where it refers to moses's parents hiding him for 3 months because he was a perfect child...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does that mean he doesnt have the baser messy habits like diaper soiling and crying, or is it some other sense?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn, i guess nobody has the new testament handy, i ll ask later :('
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bible bashing isn't what it used to be'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baron Von Mortivorous: 'yeah, it's so 2000 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, but i didnt bash, i asked about scripture in the book of hebrews'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask a jew'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'learn to read before tossing bout accusations k thx'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the jews dont have the new testament'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither do christians'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what jew talking bout willis !?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all we have is the drivel King James's people wrote'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which doubtless bears little resemblance to the original'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go read the satanic verses.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth why? satanists cant answer me regarding scripture'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure the book of hebrews is good enough excuse to go on a holy war'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, well, as much fun as that sounds, what about a simple answer regarding that passage?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a ridiculous question'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'well it just seems to say she hid him, not nec that he didnt cry or such. maybe she just didnt take him out'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hebrews 11:23 "By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months by his parents: because they saw he was a comely babe, and they feared not the king's edict." [DRC]'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade ah your translation is different than this one'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'this one calls him a perfect child'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"comely" is different to "perfect"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'For three months he was cared for in his father's house.. not hidden in some far away place or something. most of these translations - translate into fair/beautiful'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baron Von Mortivorous: 'If I'm not mistaken - Hebrews was a letter sent by Paul, thus what he said could be a direct matter of opinion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'improper bible-bashing is not useful to atheists'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'Acts 7:20 "At that time Moses was born, and he was no ordinary child. For three months he was cared for in his father's house.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'sounds like he just wasnt registered - or w/e they did back then - with the pharaoh. like they didnt want anyone to know he was born'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrefutable bible-bashing is more useful atheists, so they may stickit to the bible-thumpers and christians'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acts 7:20 "At the same time was Moses born: and he was acceptable to God. Who was nourished three months in his father's house." [DRC]'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's not that he wasn't registered, it's that newborn hebrew boys were to be killed...I'm sure moses wasn't the only one hidden :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acts 7:21 "And when he was exposed, Pharao's daughter took him up and nourished him for her own son." [DRC]'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why he was later put into the basket to be found and raised by a non-jewish family'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of the Old and New Testament is fiction'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's certainly one popular opinion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so if they hadnt wanted children, they could've just reported the birth rather than have an abortion or the like?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no such thing as abortions'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc well nowadays they have them'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'post-natal abortions'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, just expose the kid instead.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so if only they had a time machine, they could've chosen abortion...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that does not seem logical -- time-machine (back) to where -- at contraception perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it makes as much sense as suggesting that us having abortions now does :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc well having abortions now is popular.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not as popular as marijuana or alcohol, but very popular'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which has a lot to do with the options available to a family thousands of years ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's a weird comparison'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it does when it spans a popular motif'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'much like parents nowadays, often single mothers, wishing to avoid having children... '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the parents back then could perhaps just report the births of the children, and have the problem dealt with'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'a thousand years ago, putting unwanted kids in the forest was a popular option... I call that progress'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state is killing off families'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the parents now can as well'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr the forest, really?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'forest, plains, whatever, exposing children was not at all uncommon'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i heard it was rivers back then'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. k'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ranrr, putting unwanted kids in the forest is progress ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'drive to your nearest safe-haven state, drop off the kid at the nearest hospital/police station, forget you ever had it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so basically, that passage is more of ' his parents wanted to keep him' so he was hidden for 3 months?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, abortion is progress compared to "the forest"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would that also hold religious intonations, such as 'he wasnt born of incest or rape or so on''
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr is it? i think involving society in ones killings is less progress than just hiding them from society'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion shouldn't be necessary, but certainly isn't something that should be being legislated for or against at a federal level'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'abortion is not killing imho'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts is there another level?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'state'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be up to states'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr here in the usa, there is a legal belief that it depends at what point of the pregnancy it occurs'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it should be up to the woman'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, though some would argue that it's murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts it's been a long time since i've heard of states legislation in the news... do they still do it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I know about the debate in the US. It's bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vd'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts cool.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'but here in america people like to make decisions for other people'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'akuri yes, that's true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's religion gone wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say that a mother having an abortion is making a decision for another person'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally would like to see the timescale reduced to 8 weeks'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a parasite, not a person'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '8 weeks is not really enough time for some people to even realize they're pregnant'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if you leave it as strictly the mother's decision, then IMO the father can simply choose to not be the father and choose to not support the kid at all, as long as that decision is made during abortionable stages'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd rather put it at the threshhold for where, if she delivered prematurely, you'd pop it inot an incubator.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc i think that when it comes to children, there should be a streamlining of rules regarding abortion decisions, adoption decisions, AND child support decisions...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if she can choose to not be burdoned, why can't he?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because life isn't fair.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8 weeks is'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Equality between the sexes is a myth.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'putative father offers to finance abortion in first 8 weeks, mother declines, wishes to bring to term... no child support'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, ranrr, talk about a bullshit answer'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that seems practical, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc seems to be advocating that the father be able to force the abortion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'alternate scenario : putative father offers child support and payment of hospital costs, offers to raise child alone, just don't abort his baby!... mother declines... aborts'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope zade'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's the mothers decision because it is her body. '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr it's also the baby's body.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he can just abort his "half" of the kid'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A fetus isn't a person. '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about plopping the kid in an incubator, or a surrogate mother.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr it's a human according to scientists...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so whether not all persons are humans, seems to be a distinction without a difference... try again?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it's not VD.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'once we get an artificial womb that the father can offer to transfer to, i'll support his right to raise the kid alone :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr yes, it is. it is one of the stages of the human life cycle, you can look it up in a 6th grade or later science text book'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first and third decisions to abort is the mothers, the second decision to abort or not support is the fathers'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That seems fair, I'll agree to that, Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic what about a surrogate mother, willing to transplant a fetus for pay'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have to transplant them very early, vd'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic that's a matter of timing and coordination, not one of ethics'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that's how i read and error-corrected Abelinc's suggestion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic i think personally i'd prefer the decision to abort came at the point of consenting to sex, itd be a lot less messy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- more contraception (and more abortions) are required'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade oh? why not just have a war.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'education and contraception needed, not abortion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In any case, whether a fetus is a human being or person or not, is not a scientific question, it's a question of philosophy and legislation. Since an abortion is not murder according to law, a fetus cannot be a person. At least that's how I see it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is needed when people are retarded'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr non consenual abortion... is that murder?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the americans in the 70s just sterilized people like that instead'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hoping you mean diagnosed retarded, rather than normal use of the term'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i mean normal use of the term'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade ignores the VampireDude troll
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unwanted pregnancies don't spontaneously occur, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't know how the law would see it, but it would probably fall under som other legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade, its not a troll friend, teenagers get pressured in every day'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and people who assault a pregnant woman and her fetus dies'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they get charged with manslaughter for the loss of life'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems fair.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr how so? if it's not a person?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so start giving people implants'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it's a person if we dont want to abort it with a vacuum, but it's not a person if we dont?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a baby in a few months if the woman wants it to be. If not, it's an abortion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not simple. Don't expect it to be.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr whether its a human or not isnt a matter of individual definition, any more than the question the germans asked about whether or not jews were human is up to the individual person'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody that advocates war as an acceptable form of population-control and population-reduction is either a troll, a terrorist, and or (expletive deleteds) [or an advocate of the apocalyptic wrath of (some false?) God] '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a government, zade'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want to stop women from having abortions, go ahead. If you think a fetus is a person, where do you draw the line? Is masturbation murder?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was included in "expletive deleteds" and "terrorist" '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I draw the line at birth. Before birth, fetus, after, person.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because of it being difficult to draw a line that they are anti-abortion'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr so if you assault a pregnant woman and her fetus aborts... that's not murder or manslaughter right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar argument to doctors killing the elderly, is it murder?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Call it whatever you want, it's just legal terminology.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts that's not the same , the doctor's duty is to treat his patient. the elderly is the patient, therefore he has to take care of them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's legal terminology until it affects you'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with several hundred million sperm per ejaculation, stimulating male emissions is not murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, vd'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr so there's no loss of life... its just legal words?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors already kill people to save money'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will only get worse'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Call it assault or manslaughter, that won't change anything.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts you are drawing conclusions before posing your argument... that's not the right way'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell is this? Doctors kill people to save money? I come back from a week of not playing to deal with this crap on Debate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similarly, menstruation is not murder when the unfertilised egg is ejected'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are having a classic debate on abortion? Sane people logic vs. Insane people logic?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are yo talking about, Yuna? It's common for treatments to be withheld on the grounds of cost'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And the doctors make that call?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors/insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '/health boards'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Try again'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do here'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Here = ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'U K'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll happen in the US too'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a doctor can go to 'bat' with the insurance companies and health boards if he feels like putting his career on the line for a patient that would ' die without care' but that's a far cry from your contestation that the doctor kills a patient to save money'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given it already happens, VD, it's not a far cry at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'here in the u.s. in some states, like oregon, people are allowed to be given doctor assisted suicide, which IS a doctor killing a patient for some reason'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fertilized clumps are not people, abort that shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just out of curiousity, Tigernuts, what is the U.K. equivalent of the Republican party that you must be a member of?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, that's the tories'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but that's because the patients WANT to die.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The alternate would be for them to use a more painful method that's not even guaranteed to succeed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna or the patient's kids want their old mother or old father to die and leave them an inheritance'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or, you know, just die reaaaally slowly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna yep, dying really slowly sounds painful too... '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think killing yourself should be an acceptable practice.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'Im inlove eith Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'for example, cancer in the lymph nodes, and having them removed one at a time, rather than getting chemo, could take years to finally die unless the cancer spreads to a more vital place'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'not you. the real character.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr, here in the u.s. it's not illegal except for the military.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet Justa looks up FF pr0n'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the "real character"...oxymoron much?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'justa, aeris is cooler'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the real made-up thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'actually, the method that right to die societies are using nowadays is pretty humane.  helium, plastic bag over your head.  death is fairly peaceful'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'not you. the real character.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aeris was stupid to not even trying to save herself. ANd Cloud was stupider for not Phoenix Downing that shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, he should use ' the original character''
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So in the US you can go to the doctor and ask him for "one death please"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna that's true, but she was way cuter'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr yep... but he charges a lot for it if you dont have insurance'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet Justa would be turned on by a necro scene wherein Yuna has some fun with Aeris' corpse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on what version you're going by. FFVII or AC?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it's a lot cheaper to step in front of a bus or so on.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not quite'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'FFx2 is the best game ever. Yuna is the most beatiful evel'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'FFX-2 is the worst game in the FF-series ever. The battle system was wicked, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'justa x2 seemed way too easy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I like FF2 the best, on SNES'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the US health system is broken, we all knew that. Can't I just ask him to "send me the bill"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'Worst. Why ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr, yep, you can =)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in some states, with well-documented terminal illness, etc, etc, etc...not quite as easy as "I wanna die, do it nao"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'yea but then our tax dollars go to the screw ups that cant get it right the first time'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, I know, the FF otaku nerds call it FF4, I don't care, it's FF2 to me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'SNes ?lmao'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc its as easy as getting worry-free dentures and having your teeth all drilled out'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shut up, Justa'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampireDude is advocating causing public mayhem (disrupting and delaying traffic)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, my mom fought dentists for 15 years to be able to do that'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Back to the debate on assisted suicide: Assisted suicide is permitted in some jurisdictions when the subject would either die anyway or live less than a semblance to a good life. Maybe they're dying of a horrifyingly painful disease with no cure or they are completely paralyzed, without even being able to breathe on their own.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'I think I know starlings age. '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they all said "But we can save the teeth!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc not to insult your mother, but i think chicks with false teeth are ugly'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yes, I agree wholeheartedly that assisted suicide is a-OK in such cases.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you only meet chicks with crappy false teeth'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, or maybe they're poor, and can't afford a wheelchair.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd only know my mom's were false if you saw her with them out'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "completely paralyzed" did you not understand? How are they supposed to control their wheelchairs? Telekinesis?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They have that now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no such thing as doctors giving (legal) assisted suicide for people who are simply paralyzed from the waist down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You do have to have concious thought though. At least atm.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna there is if they ask for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you never know, though, where someone might wish to continue living regardless of what's going on with their health issues.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No there isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how long do the flashy white capped teeth of celebities and actors/actresses last'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna we disagree.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no VD, there isn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of people wouldn't want to live like stephen hawking, but last i heard he did want to continue living.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade about 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Show us such a case. Or language in the law where it says that's legal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you heard this where, Fox News?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but as you're debating on what is currently legal, it's not a matter of opinion for you to be allowed to disagree'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna it comes down to quality of life'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those celebities look abnormal and almost ridiculous with those humungous flashy teeth'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, show us a case where someone received assisted suicide for simply being paralyzed from the waist down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'i was under the impression that switzerland had a pretty permissive assisted suicide law. '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if a person's life will only have quality if they get treatment for a disorder or disease, and a reasonable person cannot expect them to obtain it, then it boils down to how long you want to insist they suffer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claim it happened 8 years ago. Such a case must've generated a lot of publicity, so it should be easy for you to find an article on the subject.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, i claimed that the veneers of celebrity teeth last 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, I want to see sources for your claim that one can get assisted suicide for being a paraplegic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna do try to read my entire sentence before saying i claimed that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"Under the law, a capable adult Oregon resident who has been diagnosed, by a physician, with a terminal illness that will kill the patient within six months"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'legs paralyzed won't kill you in 6 months last I checked'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think we should have suicide booths, Futurama style.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc how long does it take a homeless man to starve?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Me: There's no such thing as doctors giving (legal) assisted suicide for people who are simply paralyzed from the waist down'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You: yuna there is if they ask for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not an illness, and about 35 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: '" In order to avoid conviction, the person has to prove that the deceased knew what he or she was doing, had capacity to make the decision, and had made an "earnest" request, meaning he/she asked for death several times. The person helping also has to avoid actually doing the act that leads to death" - wikipedia for assisted suicide in switzerland'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc what if the man's unable to work because he's paralyzed from the waste down, or schizophrenic, or an alcohaulic?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How are either of those things terminal illnesses?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you "special" or just a troll?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, you're too busy living a comfortable life, indoors.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, beaker, so you won't be convicted if you don't do the act that leads to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you fail to accept that not everyone has the same mode of living.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What difference does that make?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing to do with what mode of living someone has'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in oregon, there are tent villages of homeless people... who also can get sick, and can also require care'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What does that have to do with what can and what can't qualify for medically assisted suicide?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they also can receive care'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And in Africa people are born with AIDS all the time. Assisted suicide for all Africans?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if a person is too poor to treat cancer, that doesnt mean they suddenly can afford to treat muscular dystrophy, or schizophrenia any more easily'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not right wing, and not the member of a party, for whomever asked'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, AND?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna if an man in south africa has aids, and wants assisted suicide, i could accept that morally, '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They simply do not get treatment for those conditions. That doesn't mean they qualify for assisted suicide.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like someone is trapped in a left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Whether a disease is terminal or not should not be decided by the wallet size'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, but we're not discussing morality at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr in the real world, it is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're discussing the law. Not morality or what you THINK should be legal/illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only in a country without proper health care, VD.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc a matter of morality and legal framework is what is used for the decisions regarding medically assisted suicide, yes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what country has proper health care, ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, no'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, then we disagree fundamentally.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, in Sweden, anyone can get health care. Even poor people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter what you agree with, VD...the law doesn't take your opinion into consideration'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr, even foreigners?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc it does if i'm the provider, or the patient.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ranrr, in the US anyone can get healthcare as well'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here in the UK you can get limited healthcare, provided you have the money'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope VD, just ask jack kevorkian'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He meant for close to nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc true, as long as we're able to pay for it, or beg a doctor to work for free.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc ask his patients.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless it's dental care or cosmetic surgery.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna dental plaques can cause heart disease.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dental surgery is included in the swedish healthcare system.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'necessary care cannot be denied in the US based on ability to pay...the latest wunderdrug is not generally considered necessary'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr, maybe i'll move to sweden.. and check it out'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the statement was who lives or dies, not who pays the bill'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"dental plaques" or "dental plaque"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the worst thing to happen to health was health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc necessary care to prolong life? yes. to prevent emergency loss of life or limb, sometimes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tigernuts, you prefer a cash and carry system?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not in Sweden. In Sweden it's free or next to free unless it's cosmetic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, nothing's free in sweden'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My friend contraceted testicular cancer at the ripe old age of 20.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'full cash system, or a government monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Could anyone with cancer get years of chemo therapy, for free, in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as nothing is free anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It costs him either 150 dollars a month or a year (not sure, I think it's a year) for his post-op drugs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if my taxes are financing military interventions in the middle east, i'd just as soon be financing health care.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yes, it's financed by taxes, but you know what I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure you would'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would too'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that isn't a choice you have, or are even being offered'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's free for the person that needs it, not for the society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither will it be'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it's not free.  your ridivulous taxes are what pay for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'something about trying to get people healthy seems more moral than trying to shoot people that grow opium or sell oil'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet our standard of living and level of happiness is way ahead of that of the states'.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder how that works.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'beakerboy, thats just it though, my taxes pay for worse things than healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, among the countries with the highest standard of living, the Nordic countries, i.e. the Socialized Hell Maffia, all make the Top 10.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna its because in your country, you actually help each other in some way, here it's mostly an every dog for himself game'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'standard of living is quite questionable...happiness is quite subjective'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, health care in the US is the most expensive in the world. It's not the best though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because the insurance industry runs it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr i disagree, healthcare in the uae is more expensive than in the us'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna, are you saying that homosexual overstimulation of the male sex-organ with rings and other "tight" paraphenalia causes testicular cancer '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, because we don't have ridiculous costs for simple medical procedures and doctor salaries, our health costs are relatively low no matter who pays for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade, lactene.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna do people still become doctors even though they wont become rich?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have no clue what the fuck wrong is wrong with you, Zade. My friend is straight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doctors still rank among the highest paid professionals in Sweden. They just don't make as ridiculous amounts of money as in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck at million dollar surgeries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna i see.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not having to pay zillions of dollars in malpractice insurance and student loans probably helps.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wouldnt mind becoming a doctor, would probably allow a lot of access to blood.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, university studies is LITERALLY FREE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You USED to have to pay a mandatory 50 dollar student union fee per semester. Not anymore!'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic indeed, if medical school cost the same as trucking school, we'd have more doctors,  more supply would mean a cheaper meeting of demand, and a lower cost to consumers'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Free univeristy studies and free healthcare. Boy, I'd like to live there. Wait, I do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr wow, i want to move there now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And taxes aren't that much higher than in e.g. california.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I love the term "free" being bandied about'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you go for the private kind, ALL schooling is free in Sweden (and also mandatory 'til graduation from Junior High/Upper Secondary School/9th grade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna here in the u.s. its all about the age of the person dropping out of school / or their equivalent based on testing '
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The day you advocate for the abolishment of free fire fighting, police services and roads and highways is the day you ahve a right to complain about people calling tax-financed health free, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense argument, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to your Fox News. If I remember things correctly, 4 years ago, you whined when I complained about Sarah Palin's complete and utter lack of sanity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, today I have the right to complain about people calling it free...as I don't call those services free'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Didn't take her long to prove me right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc i'd call them free if i wasnt part of the tax base'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's free for the person that needs them. That's what free means in this context.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then are you calling for an abolishment of all of those things, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's not free for the person who needs them'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not free here, either'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite everyone claiming it is'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc it is if they arent fixed to the point of being able to work it off :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh, abe, where is the cost?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like emergency rooms that take federal funds here in the usa'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if a person never works again afterwards, its free'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only person to whom it's free is a newborn'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you just start taxing religious institutions? That'd give you a bajillion dollars to work with.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'newborns, and the retired.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna seems fair, sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, not even the retired'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would you give religious institutions tax exempt status, anyway? What makes them so special?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna if you tax them, god will smite you'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was a very liberal interpretation of the separation of church & state'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'although, given mankinds track record, most of us get smited around age 50-80 anyways'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How 'bout we re-interpret that stupid interpretation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you get your free education, then move out of the country and never pay any taxes, it was free.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr yep, a lot of people get their education free, then move to the usa to become rich'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religious folk pay tithes and taxes -- to tax the tithes is double taxation'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its quite nice .'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why are all social policies discussed from their equitability instead of their impact on society?  Wouldn't the latter be a much more important consideration?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade, if one is a member of the kingdom of god, they should only pay taxes to god's kingdom, not to both'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're not talking about taxing religiosu people, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're talking about taxing the religious institutions!'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might think so, milkshake'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i get so cross when people just make it about left vs right politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake no; because society will continue with or without the policies'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're getting all of those tithes tax-free. They get to rent/own their churches and land tax-free. Everything they do in the name of their religion is tax-free.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its not like mexico, where if you starve the poor they consider selling drugs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but policies have an impact on society, and thats why we make them'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A lot of people get their education abroad, pay for it themselves, then move here and start paying taxes, so it evens out.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'pretty sure thats why a lot of people in the US sell drugs too :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr i'd love to get my education abroad, but airline tickets are so pricy!'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'swim, walk, or stow away, vampire'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake really? you don't think they sell because they use?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, if you come from the US to sweden, you will not get free education. We have to draw the line somewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Found your own religious institutionl.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake i cant walk 46 km on water =)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then take a "religious journey" abroad.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I've known many people who sell but don't use, in order to make a decent wage since they are otherwise somewhat excluded from a decent wage for other reasons'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh no, ranrr, you'd better tell jaenelle ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think Janelle's been living here for so long she's obtained a citizenship by now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'walk up to alaska, vampire, then swim across the straight to russia'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake thats a position i can understand, but why not just sell another product, like cell phones'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can get it free by becoming a tax-paying resident.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the religious institutions were taxed, the religious folk 'd be required to pay higher tithes, and thus indirectly an extra taxation'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake that's 46 kilometers right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The INSTITUTIONS would be taxed, not its members.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is English your 29th language?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my dad's riding a motorcycle across alaska right now :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, my 29th language is urdu?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, a lot smarter than doing it in december'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I honestly don't think its goign to be easy to make a decent wage selling cell phones'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'saying "no" does not make it "so".'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and not everyone is blessed with salesmanship skills, and drugs mostly sell themselves'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake they do that because they're addictive'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the religious institutions then require their members to pay higher tithes, that's their CHOICE. If the members then pay those higher tithes, that's ALSO their choice.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'pot is notphysically addictive, it still sells itself'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna yep, just like a golf club membership'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nobody's saying ' join this church or i will behead you''
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '' tithe or i'll behead you ''
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not taxing religious institutions because "Wah wah, religious people would need to pay more moeny to their cult leaders, wah wah" is a stupid reason.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even know of any religious institution besides Scientology (brrrr) which REQUIRES you to pay tithes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'christianity .'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'taxation of religious institutions is persecution of the religious, you callous nonbeliever'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tithing is one tenth of the income, to the upkeep of the priests/etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'christianity doesn't require it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade, that's also true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know only of Scientology that REQUIRES tithing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its better to persecute the religious than to persecute the top 10% of the wealthy americans though'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even if SOME religions might STRONGLY SUGGEST you tithe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tithing was commonplace here'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religious institutions should be taxed the same as any other institution of similar construction. being religious should not be a factor in tax.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should if you live in a theocracy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What about those Boy Scouts of America? How the FUCK are they tax exempt?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr here in the us we don't have a simple tax system though, we scale it in order to encourage foreign smart people to come here'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they're run by religious Fundies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna they're not for profit'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a religious based governmental system'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's next, tax exempt status to Super PACs run by religious nuts?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually, they'd be a 501c3 nonprof if they weren't religious anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aah, so all non-profits are tax exempt? A valid reason. Also, the BSA ARE highly religious.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, how come there arent enough socially accepted gay children to form a boy scouts that allows gays?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think you even have to swear allegiance to god or something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because you can't choose to form one without being part of the group, and a religious group won't accept you'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i see'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it IS religious, at its core and professed as such'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, much like the masons, you just have to affirm belief in a higher being'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wait, boy scouts aren't gay? Right....'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then again, YMCA's religious as well'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it can be god, allah, satan, most buddhas, or even zeus.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"tithes" in the purposes of the above discussion also includes  "voluntary financial contributions of the faithful to the officially-registered religious venue of their choice"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'it's still run Christian beliefs and by Christians.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc they were at one point, but its more of a home rule thing, not all ymca's are religious'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ON Christian beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the c in the name gives it away'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all YMCAs are religious...it's in their name'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they may not be RUN as if they were, but not all churches are either :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc yes. religious in name. not in practice, doctrine, belief, or membership'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'YMCA are homosexual dance studios ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Salvatian Army is run by Christian fundies as well. It's shocking how many non-profits are run by Christians... often fundies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as they don't get any special status because of it, they can be as religious as they want. At least in a secular society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'VampireDude, you're a bit naive, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, is the salvation army a non profit, they pay pretty well to their management'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't know if the Salvation Army is non-profit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, it's not just nonprofs, it's that they're service organizations'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The BSA, YMCA and Salvatian Army have all come under fire in the past few years for being run by and on Christian fundie logic/rules/laws.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr i think history has shown us that secular societies that dont allow religious institutions a place, will often times oppress the religious'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the fundies love their charity cases'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They ARE religious. They just don't usually walk around screaming it from the rooftops.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Again, I say, come to sweden and you will see that things are a bit different here.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They can have their places of worship. I just don't want to give them any special treatment.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade trolls: the song "YMCA" seemed to laud the YMCA nostalgically -- so there were bathhouse orgies there ?
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come to sweden and not be able to buy alcohol except from the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's basically a special club. Have them pay for their own damn maintenance and salaries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We are actually a secular country, at least we are 95% there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come to sweden and have to sit down to take a pee'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna the very nature of a place of worship, is that it is a place of special treatment'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's heavy liquor. Convenience stories can sell beer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Bars can sell EVERYTHING that's legal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, that's not true, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Also restaurants, discos, clubs, etc.)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How very Fox Newsie of you, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna here in the u.s. each state sets its own limit on the amount of alcohol in beer'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I sit down to pee, unless its a public toilette'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'may as well be in iran for the amount of alcohol in beer someplaces.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't sit down to shit in a public toilet'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vampiredude, the religious can have their special treatment of their own places. The state should not give those places special treatment, however.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden has a higher suicide rate than the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Myth.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'impossible, tiger, they're HAPPIER there'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna i think the converse. i don't mind taxing of other grounds, such as the parish homes of priests or ministers'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I heard the happiest place on earth was the netherlands'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, how Fox newsie of you. Find us a single source of your lies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but for the actual church grounds and offices, those should be specially treated.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and that is not a veiled reference to pot :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I love that everything yuna disagrees with is automatically just a fox news thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is fox big in the UK?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake, it was iceland, before the currency failure'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't get fox in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, you can watch it live online'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Swedish. 2) It's not what I disagree on. It's common lies told by >Fox News.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'interesting that fox is all you watch/listen to then'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'attacking fox watchers is a typical tactic of the loony liberal left'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Such as Sweden being some kind of suicide mecca because we're socialists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they still believe it's about left vs right'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the religious VOTE -- and currently the religious outnumso attr'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think fox is in that same boat, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna mecca for example, being a place utilized for worship, would get that special status... yes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition it is'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade its not a matter of numbers, a lot of people don't actually go to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, not really. They can fund themselves. A bajillion pilgrims come there each year and pump billions into the local businesses and religious hallow grounds.-'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think both MSNBC and FOX are extremist, sure, but fox scares me a lot lot more'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen clips from both and they're both wank'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the religious VOTE -- and currently the religious outnumber the greedy callous atheists, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna sadly, i think that more money is poured into saudi arabia by oil, than pilgrims'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't watch MSNBC. I occasionally watch snippets from Fox News when they tell one of their outrageous lies and people post about them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, do you also watch pravda and al jazeera?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In your home country, maybe Zade. Atheists outnumber Christians in Sweden. Atheists quite possibly outnumber religious people in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'shrugs, I read from news aggregates, fox, msnbc, al jazeera, xinhua, everyone gets linked'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be political suicide to suggest that religious instituions be taxed'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any media is biased'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'everyone should read from news aggergates :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna is the monarchy in sweden religious?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake, google news?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fox is pro-republican, msnbc is pro democrat'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even know where Pravda is from (Russia?) and I don't watch Al-Jazeera. I watch ZERO news channels. I watch snippets from here and there whenever they interest me,'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sometimes, and reuter linking from other places'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And news aggregates, yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be saying that Syria's government needs to be toppled because's he's shelling the rebels'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, it needs to be toppled because he doesnt sell us oil.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what REALLY chaps my ass is not that fox news exists, or MSNBC exists, but they both call themselves news channels, if they just labelled it for what it is, the 24 hour editorial channels...I'd be a little happier with that'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Monarchy in Sweden is religious by law. By law, a monarch has to profess to be of the Lutheran faith.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna cool.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its rare to meet lutherans that arent rich'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and then CNN could call themselves the "sometimes news channel, sometimes hot talking heads with thinly-veiled opinions"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Any other faith (or lack of faith) will cost them their title. This may be true for all members of the Royal Family. I dunno, I just read in an article a few weeks ago that our country's newest addition to the royal line (1st child of the crown princess) would lose their title if she professed a faith other than Lutherism.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake, maybe one day, news channels, like wikipedia, will not be an authority for arguments, but just a starting point for research'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wait, the princess that married her fitness trainer, or the cute one?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'curiously the Norwegian king insisted on keeping the rule that the king must be a lutheran'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'god I hope so, I have a bit of hope for the newest generation that is growing up with news aggregates and blogs and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fitness training-marrying one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vampire Dude, is Wikipedia a jewish rag'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'even more curious, the politicians caved and did as he asked'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah ok, thanks yuna... i always thought the other one was way cuter'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah. But she isn't the crown princess. She'd 3rd in line (behind her sexy brother)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. cool. what's her type... im so glad she broke it off with that weird finance guy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She has a new boyfriend now. Some American guy. I think he's kind of a celebrity (possibly a sports player).'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, way better than a fitness trainer then'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'important stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, how about those Texas Republicans? Their 2012 platform is officially to, among other things, remove critical thinking from schools and re-demicriminalize sodomy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna sodomy is just not a good way to raise a horse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'recriminalize? they'd have to replace the current supreme court'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Seems like they are a bit late, critical thinking was removed from schools a long time ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and overturn lawrence vs texas'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuna's just a rabid democrat'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake or just add the phrase' forcible' in front of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They openly declare their hostility to the LGBT community and declare that they will rescind every single right the LGBT community has right now and block all future attempts to introduce other rights and they're against a whole lot of pro-choice things.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '' forcible sodomy' would be easy to outlaw'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wants to bring in millions of immigrants, pay them all welfare, pull everything into the ownership of the government, and restrict everyone's freedoms, telling them what to do and what to think'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doesn't matter what they can and cannot do. Their OFFICIAL PLATFORM is to decriminalize being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna that's fair for them to do, they are a sovereign state... and they'll lose a lot of business'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh some of them go much farther than that and openly agree with Uganda, Iran, etc. and want to introduce capital punishment for homosexual behavior'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'texas is a sovereign state?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna being gay doesnt mean sodomy, and sodomy doesnt mean being gay...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'although there's a correlation, sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuna liked both'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you DOUBT that a google search is allth ats required :p its not mainstream but it has a pretty good political foothold'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, yep... it's a sovereign state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, I'm not a democrat. Because I'm not an inhabitant of the United States. I'm a Social Democrat (Swedish party).'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna they have a charter that you can look up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, isnt that vladimir lenin's old party?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''deluded' would be a better description, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'VampireDude, they want to criminalize gay sex. So if you want to be gay, you'd have to just not have any gay sex.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'however much TX wants to think of itself as a sovereign state, in reality it isn't :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna or just not do it on camera.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think you understand how the world worked when most countries criminalized sodomy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake on paper, in military strength, and in policy development, it is'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've noticed in the past when attempting to obtain controversial data from Wikipedia on jewish-sensitive topics, there was a difficulty getting the pages to save offline to a file, as though Wikipedia was practicing censorship "look but do not save"'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you were suspected of being gay, there'd be investigations launched against you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, here in the u.s. you're innocent until proven guilty'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'texas republicans. Not sane.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, that wasn't the case back when.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if they want to send an fbi agent undercover, to find out if you'll sodomize them... ?maybe that could happen but i doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, well, by law, innocent until proven guilty'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012-Platform-Final.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so if all we're talking bout is adoption or sponsorship of a law... there's no issue?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fast becoming other than inocent until proven guilty'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts in what way?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We believe the current teaching of a multicultural curriculum is divisive, the platform says, adding that it supports teaching common American identity and loyalty instead of political correctness that nurtures alienation among racial and ethnic groups. In Arizona, where Republicans banned multicultural programs, students in those programs actually out-performed their peers. Texas Republicans also believe controversial theories such evolution and climate change  which arent controversial at all  should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Theres more: the GOP also opposes the teaching of critical thinking skills because they focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the students fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was never innocent until proven guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Whoa there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It supports corporal punishment in schools: Corporal punishment is effective and legal in Texas, the platform states, adding that teachers and school boards should be given more authority to deal with disciplinary problems. Actual research, however, shows that corporal punishment is bad for children and their education. Research shows that corporal punishment is associated with an increase in delinquency, antisocial behavior, and aggression in children, according to the American Psychoanalytic Association, which strongly condemns the use of such punishment. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents and schools use other forms of punishment because corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More pearls of wisdom from the Texas GOP 2012 platform.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Careful Yuna, you're going to overload Jhav's bot's input buffer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans, it has been for a very long time, nara.gov has a copy of the paperwork'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your research, like you, is a pile of bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is a pile of bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok, so on the one hand, there's the national archives and records administration, on the other hand there's you, calling nara bullshit?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not you, vd, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude weighs the scale. nara > tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, yuna's just copy pasting'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because? Multiple news sources from all over the U.S. are reporting the same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news sources are not statements of fact'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's on paper doesn't matter.  If someone wants you to be guilty, they don't need proof--particularly if it's a matter of strong public reaction.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republican Texas GOP's official platform was released by the GOP themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna so what, texas is texas. if you want critical thinking, why not try athens greece, or vermont?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news reporting of 'studies' are escpecially dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people reporting on them rarely know anything about it, or know so little that they aren't able to make an informed judgement'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts doctors giving placeibos to schizophrenics is dangerous too. a dull butter knife is extremely dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else they'd have writtent he papers int he first place'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to your Fox News cave, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a placeibo taking schizophrenic with a dull butterknife, however is no threat.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're critical of the thinking in Athens, Greece, which isn't exactly the same thing as critical thinking.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back to your delusional communist paradise, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, the Texas Republican party's official platform is available for public view.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna indeed it is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but people don't become republicans for the party platform.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that you cannot discern between Socalist and Communist is what makes you a right wing nutso.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nor do they become democrats for the party platform'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both involve power residing in the hands of government'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, you're the member of a social democratic party, vladimir lenin spent time in sweden, with the social democratic party.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the problem is texas has undue influence in national politics, so it really does matter what they do there, like cali and nys'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but there's something to be said about a party officially adoption those goals. And for people who support people who adopt those goals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is the way that it is spun to the suckers, i mean voters, i mean citizens'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'vampir ethats just specious, lincoln was a republican, but modern republicans are no lincolns :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, whether you call vladimir lenin's involvement with the social democratic party socialist or communist, does not alter history'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because the Social Democratic party of today is totally the same as it was 70 years ago, VampireDude.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna if it were not true to its charter and ideals, would they not have simply splintered into a new party?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, sources for those claims? I can't find any.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would you like me to go grab an isbn number?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's enough to know that they believe in nanny state, strict regulation of anything and everything, and are anti-ownership, anti-choice, and anti-freedom'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure, whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're anti-choice? Anti-freedom? Anti-ownership?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all socialists are'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the US, it actually happens to be the same and we made the mistake of electing some of them to office recently.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, he's apparently had a bad upbringing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just exactly the same as you're arguing all "republicans" are anti-healthcare, anti-welfare and pro-war'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The supporter of the Party of Tea shouldn't be whining about the opposition being anti-choice.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans, not me, i voted for the bald pow guy from arizona'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't pedal bullshit one way and then get all hissy at someone doing the same thing back'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my point exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, "A country with some socialist values" =/= "A socialist state".'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna good point, a country with some democratic values, does not equal a democratic state'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sweden is not a socialist state, it's a monarchy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even politically, we're not a socialist country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and even though the head of the church of england, is the head of state in england, it's not a theocracy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The nerve of a Republican calling the opposition anti-choice. The republicans are the most anti-choice part in the U.S. If they don't like your choice, they're gonna legislate the shit out of it into illegality.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna oh, thats not true'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties do that'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Queen Elizabeth is the head of the church of England? I find that hard to believe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'look how nice the republicans were to gay people and black people and women in the 1970s, they even allowed native americans to vote'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name SOME things the Democratic party has outlawed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BESIDES the Public mandate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'we want to outlaw big soda drinks in NYC ... :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, queen elizabeth is the head of the church of england. yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guns :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state ability to legislate on healthcare, state ability to legislate on pot'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake i want to outlaw the bird in new york :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that gives me an idea, I'll call fat repubs anti-life when they want to be able to be free to have their 48oz sodas'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They want to make it harder to get a gun license. Not make owning a gun illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: no'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's something called the american constitution, you'd do well to go read it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll counter you with "Abortion" and raise you "Gay marriage":'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA Republicans are acting like former USSR Commiczars communists -- the rich get special treatment and all the benedfits, the less than rich may die in poverty'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they've had to be struck down by the supreme court a few times because they've passed laws outright banning them'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, i'll counter your abortion and raise you child support'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The American constitution also calls for the legality of owning slaves. I don't see people defending that right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats can to make child support illegal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh I think most democrats are for sensible gun control, not gun banning'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade but... poverty in the usa is a lot nicer than poverty in the uk'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake there's either control or there's not.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats have removed people's ability to choose their healtchare'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USSR Communism was Red Capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a toothless gun control law is useless'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes but control =/= banning'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No they haven't, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they have, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake guns bans worked in washington dc didnt they'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They can choose WHATEVER healthcare they wish to choose AS LONG AS they have SOME form of health insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they cannot'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the supreme court struck down the DC gun ban'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is illegal to NOT have health coverage. You're free to choose who covers you, however.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm not familiar with that, vampiredude, and by the tone of your argument, I already suspect its going to be some specious anecdotal crap'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has to conform to stringent rules, and you can't choose to not have cover'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna what about those of us with entitlement to v.a. hospitals?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a choice that was removed, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do we now have to double up and buy coverage also?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying yuna, you have the freedom to choose, provided we provide you the options'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just stated it, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your choice is "none of hte above"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts yes, like a democratic election in iran'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you must vote, but you can vote for either canidate'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like an election in any country'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot choose not to have healthcare. That's not the same thing as not beign able to choose yoru source of healthcarem, as Tigernuts claimed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is illegal to NOT have health coverage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case it is, since you are not free to choose where your healthcare comes from'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you can choose not to have healthcare, but then you won't get a deduction on your taxes'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you not comprehend that that constitutes a removed choice?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YES YOU ARE'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you are not forced ot have healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as i've already said, there are stringent rules on who provides it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are free to choose where your healthcare comes from. Just not to choose NO health care coverage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it is not illegal to not have health coverage, thats a total lie, you just get some higher taxes'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whatever, Tea Partier.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no taxation without representation'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nobody is going to be put in jail for not having health care'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'milkshake, that's as bullshit argument as is possible'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, ill be curious about the final rule douglas schuler adopts, because as a veteran i already get 'health care' without needing additional insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought it amounted to fines. So it's not illegal, not taxed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nobody's going to jail for not having it, thats not an argument'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I didn't mean people would be put in jail, just get fined)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna congress can legally levy taxes for whatever it wants'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you make money that year, and don't have it, you'll hav ehigher taxes yes, and you could go to jail potentially for not paying them, but that was always true'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it can only levy those taxes from appropriate sources, but it can spend them on whatever it wants'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's as bad as when I worked at a school district...I could pay X dollars to be in the union...or I could pay X dollars to NOT be in the union'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not a choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and you've always been able to deduct health care costs from taxes anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc its a choice like auto insurance is a choice, you can drive or not drive.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I haven't checked up on the V.A. thing. So people with V.A. priviliges for full coverage still have to have health insurance under the new laws?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we also are trending towards debtors' prisons, too'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or you can pay 12.00 for a drivers license, or pay 12.00 for a state id and not drive'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, I can breathe or not breathe?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans, debtors prisons are illegal here in the u.s.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can breathe, abelinc, but you'll be taxed for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc you can pay X dollars to have highways or you can not work and have no dollars? Life often robs you of "choices" and we only bitch when we think we should have that choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it can only be air of a specific make-up dictated by the state'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna, that's the question... and do we also draw the tax benefit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called yuna's paradise'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't t hink its sufficient to say, well society values this infrastructure and wants to have it and I want to have the option not to have it because I should have options, instea dyou should say why its stupid not to have that choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, regarding breathing, cap and trade is on obama's platform last election'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only on the federal level.  If your state has adopted a debtors' prison, the federals aren't going to get involved.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, he who supported Sarah Palin's candidacy should just be quiet. I noticed how you didn't refute that argument of mine.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your ability to judge the eligibility of politicians is clearly non-existent.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not very pro-choice of you, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's stupid to not have that choice because the highway infrastructure is necessary for me (and everyone else) to get groceries, utilities, etc...my personal healthcare is NOT necessary for me or anyone else to live'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yuna, ad hominens help no one :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Should", not "Must".'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc thats not true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no ad hominens please on the debate channel, things just deteriorate rapidly'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so one has literally nothing to do with helping the other'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you can get groceries by boat, or by airmail... you don't need a highway'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Abelinc, think about those who ride bikes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the amish can bring in groceries by mule cart.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, I find it amazing that you think you know who I supported for candidacy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or who live in the bush.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc: if you agree that we should provide health care to indigents or people without it in emergency situations then we might actually lower our total cost with the ACA'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or who just never leave their homes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yuna or who are disabled downs syndrome types on a city bus'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you're totally full of horseshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc: moreover, a healthy society might have dramatically increased GDP, meaning you end up getting much much more PPP (purchasing power parity)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my having health insurance doesn't make me a healthy society'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure you told me to shut up 4 years ago when I bitched and moaned about Sarah Palin's stupidity and pretty much declaerd she wasn't a total fucktard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our country is massively unhealthy'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc: the variables are really really really too many to know for sure, but I think we need to talk about it while recognizing that its not a zero sum game'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake i'd rather provide basic neccesities to poor people than make them have to break the law to get access to them, and then pay for their prison time and guards'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comes frmo having social healthare'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that she was eligible to be Vice Persident.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'courts cost a lot more than food stamps, ya know?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're pretty sure you're full of shit on what I stated 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're saying I'm misremembering? Fair enough, I won't pursue this further.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if all it takes to keep people from using and selling illegal drugs, is some food stamps and a tenament house, that'd be a huge economic savings'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't have health insurance right now, I probably will within a month because I'm about to ge ta job, but right now my weigh tloss is massively impeded by a health issue I can't see a doctor about, health insurance would absolutely health, it might be a good idea, might'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that being said, she met all criteria to RUN for VP, so I certainly would've stated that if you were claiming otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and you might profit immensely from people who don't otherwise have access, suddenly having access, just as we believe that we profit by providing a free education through high school'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I didn't mean eligible in teh technical sense. I mean eligible in the "Sane" sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc did she release her birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my statement to that effect in no way "backs" her for VP or makes any statements for my political leanings'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yes, I'd tell you to shut the fuck up if you claimed that she is ineligible'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'vampiredude: heh I totally agree with that one'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake high school isnt a free education for property owners, any more than police departments are free'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'education is not free.  We pay the taxes for it, even if we don't have anyone getting an education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if obama had gone for free universal healthcare, he'd have had my support, but he's owned and paid for by corporate interests, and hence he's going for the system that will hand billions of dollars into the hands of insurance companies and banks'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was complaining during the live VP debates about how she wasn't actually answering any questions, just spewing talking points and just being batshit insane. Someone, who  Ithought was you, but apparently wasn't, said I was wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what every politician does during debated'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'vampiredude:I believ eif society deprives me of food, access to food, access to shelter, etc and I committ a crime because its my only option left, that I didn't really commit a crime, fortunately, I'm not likely to be in such a situation'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you must be VERY new to following political candidacies'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every politican is batshit insane during VP debates?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'vampiredude: thats exactly my point, we pay for that "free education" because its an investment that profits GDP and thus everyone , and I believe health care is very likely to do the same'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake a feudal state's lord has a requirement to provide for the indigents unable to provide for themselves... here in the u.s. a similar responsibility is held at a county level --> but most counties have to be sued before they bother.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what you're getting, milkshake'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She didn't answer a SINGLE QUESTION. She gave non-answers and just changed the subject to spew off talking points. Most politicians don't do that during nationally televised debates for the VP.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, Yuna requires a doctor to provide weight-loss "advice" (likely faulty) available on the internet (more variety of advice)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they do, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you illiterade, Zade? I'm not the person who spoke of weight-loss.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zade, i went to a weight management clinic once for their grand opening, asked if they have weight gain solutions, and they said no, we only do weight loss.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, if I lost any more weight, I'd be underweight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'apparently ' weight loss' is no longer politically correct'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's exactly what they've done during nationally televised debates as long as there have been nationally televised debates'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they didnt even have cookies at their grand opening, what a poor business model =('
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then how Joe Biden had no problems answering many questions.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tigernuts: I recognize that its possible that the ACA will be much less efficient than universal health care, and possibly more efficient at delivering health care.  Even if it ends up being inefficient, even if it ends up creating profits for people in an immoral way, it still might be better than this system we've had.  And, I have my suspicions, but I'd like to see ti play out first'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, by "questions", I meant the topics of debate put forward by the MC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc it does seem like the debates are more of a meet and greet, than a lincoln vs douglass example'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'funny how when you watch with an obvious agenda, you hear what you want'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but what bothers me more, is that most canidates won't usually take a stance, for fear of alienating any particular retailable group'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when someone says something you don't want *FOX NEWS*!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, milkshake, not Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having followed it in this country, milkshake, i can safely say that you're going down the wrong route'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it leaves me feeling like i'm voting for an actor or buying a used car, rather than learning more about the person i may vote for'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the potential to make things marginally better for a very few people at the borders of poverty'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the cost of making it considerably worse for a huge majority of low and middle income earners'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, with regard to government healthcare, i can assure you that no good would come of it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No you didn't. There were SW's that took you through Bard and then another clan, sure, but they went directly there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even back then debates were all about giving the people what they wanted to hear.  Once you get into office, you were free to do what you wished (even if your message went entirely opposite of that).'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if good would come of it, i'd be willing to examine the cost.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tigernuts: I don't think you can.  I don't know what country you're from, but the variables are not the same, its incredibly hard to tease out cause and effect, and qualitative reasoning is necessary and the plural of anecdotes isn't data :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preaching to the converted, vd, we've had government healthcare here for 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dribble on debate is hard to follow with detailed attention -- starting to skim past the faulty opinions'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if a politician can fix the v.a... i'd believe they could do nationwide healthcare someday.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'painful to read this current debate'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you fail to see the movement of power, corporations are overtaking soverign nations in terms of power'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you give up that power to corporations, it'll be practically impossible to pull it back'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if a teenager won't take care of the car they have, would you go buy them a brand new one that cost many times more?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'analogies are super suspect in a system involving millions of individuals and businesses'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all my best information comes from Debate channel.  I just don't trust the parts of the internet that are outside of Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and geographic, economic, and education realities'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'milkshake its not just forrest gump that joins the military'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you may or may not have noticed that banks and technocrats have largely taken over control of the EU'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i hadn't noticed that, in fact, i heard many banks there were failing'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, if a bank is not failing, why would it request a bailout?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they made reckless gambles knowing that if it paid off, it'd pay out, and if it failed, they'd be bailed out. Win win'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok, so let's open a bank'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sector i'd invest in'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if you pay taxes, you already do'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't know, I only do business with local banks now, I never use a credit card, never will, consumers still have power en masse'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'customers are largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the deregulation greed of the USA seriously eroded the financial stability of Europe'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? then why have customers at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if all of us stopped putting money into Goldman Sachs, that would not be irrelevant, and they know it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need it, most the money is in government bonds'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats...just not true'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I demand link for that statement'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all customers are not created equal, and banks are realizing that just like any other business they REALLY want to court the customers they do want and get rid of the ones they don't want.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i demand a breakeven percentage for the bonds'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the very nature of the bonds is, if everyone flees into them, their growth won't even track with inflation'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and inflationw ould increase anyway, it doesn't make sense'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans, sounds like everyone wants the dream team... but nobody at the schoolyard wants to be picked last do they'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA moreorless just told a quarter of their existing customers to GTFO'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this country less than 3% of banks balance sheets are made up of end user deposits'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, so all we really need is to take basil 3'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and how much is made up of loans, and CD's, and investments?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and that is suchhhhhhhhhhh a statement crying out for a link anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fractional reserve banking'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'create money out of thin air'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh well, im out of donuts... have fun.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so banks are ONLY making money off of bond returns is what you're saying?  Because that not only needs a link it appears patently rediculous'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i said'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well what I'm saying is, they absolutely depend on consumers, for loan products, for credit, for depositing money for CD's, for investing through them, for business lines of credit by small businesses, etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and if we stopped using them, they would lose a lot of power very quickly'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'my bank doesn't try to make a profit :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it tries to have cash flow and liquidity and keep itself treading water and it doesn't lose money'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks make most of their money in investment banking, not highstreet banking'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'must be a local bank, then'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'problem is, all those lines of credit pretty much require the banks...advocating local banks/CUs only works if those local banks/CUs would have the capital to be able to handle the load. They don't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think if we all did that, turned to such local banks, then banks would be dramatically better behaved, and there's definitely a trend happening htere'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if we all did that, the local banks would DIE'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the national banks are definitely in a self-evaluating mode thanks to the recession problems'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'abelinc: the problem with that argument is saying that they couldn't grow to'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'giving a loan to someone only works if you have the cash to give'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they couldn't, milkshake'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they create the cash out of thina ir'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'right, and turning to a local bank, giving them our deposits, letting them take advantage of the reserve rule, they couldn't then also loan a little more?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and new local banks could be created and thrive'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we don't have the deposits...that's why the banks make money in loans'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that makes no sense, hwo do the large banks do it then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if the local banks grow that big, then they are now large banks and nothing has changed'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they didn't care about the type of customer they were collecting, Milkshake.'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes I understand that, but you give them a deposit and they can loan like...what 9x as much per deposit?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think all these large banks were crooks from day 1?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no, you get more local banks'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or the local banks are non-profits (like mine)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bible gives reference to it, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so essentially'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and they don't try to get involved in investment banking'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so no its not equitable'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if there's no investment banking, then there's no business...nobody has any money anymore'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, off we go then'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there's no need for there to be investment banking and commercial banking in the same business'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats my pt'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the S&L collapse -- were they small banks'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so they'll stay out of profitable business, but they'll grow...got it }:>'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that is why non-profit is a bit of a misnomer'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'they still make profits'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not in your world'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'where did I say that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your model doesn't allow for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the reasons I already explained...'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah I don't see how your reasons say that they are not allowed to grow, I thought I addressed each one'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't have the capital to sustain what you're telling us to use them for...the way to get the capital, you've just shut them out of'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I disagree with that statement, the large banks loan off of their deposits, why can't we spread that out among many banks?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and I'm not against large banks per se if they're "non-profit" ie, the profits aren't being spread via dividends but are only reinvested or held against a rainy day'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'because thats what non-profit really means yes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the large banks offset their deposits/loans'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the investment banking is what allows them to be solvent'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'then why were they solvent before they were allowed to be both in the 90's?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why are there large banks not in investment banking still solvent?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they were stupid'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'SOLVENT?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'thats chemistry'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'my credit union is actually pretty big, and it isn't in investment banking, and its solvent, and it puts out lots of loans, and interestingly, they tend to give them to credit-worthy people'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'barclays got fined 280million gbp this week'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so they did wha tyou said wasn't possible, and that makes them stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can be in the best business in the world, but make some bad decisions and you can still go down in flames'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'yall patrick bateman'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, being stupid made them stupid'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goldman sachs will post losses of $9bn this year'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'you guys need to be more criminal and more metaphysical at same time'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'yall retarded'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'd like to see some statistics to show that investment banking is required for you to have a solvent commercial bank'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arms companies should be a sound investment, given all the false wars they keep starting'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and I'm ashamed of you Abelinc, retreating to ad hominens, you're almost always b etter than that'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'false wars where'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libya first, now syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'prime targetz lulz'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably Iran after'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're real wars, just false pretenses :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dr. Tzara nods.
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my credit union was quite large as well...of course, its president's family were all indicted and it was restructured'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'para stepped down, no need for mortal alt'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google shopping to censure firearms and firearm accessories'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 're people calling for links about investment banks being mostly on the take from governments rather than earning from consumers'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-18/dear-mr-dimon-is-your-bank-getting-corporate-welfare-.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'o-level home economics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SeanJac: 'how do i start town of solan goal? i already went to the mayor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eerrtt: 'who thinks that a certain nationality cant endure temperatures'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"That is not the issue," Sen. Mitch McConnell said. "The question is how to go step by step to improve the American health care system. It is already the finest health care system in the world."'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, this man is in touch with reality and the common man's plight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'permethrin is good stuff...'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that some antifungal cream?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''German's facing persecution and dehumanizing treatment in Danzig Poland', 'over 17 serious border transgressions in a single night, and 3 more the next day', 'Will not honor a law signed with a gun to the head of the signator, to starve millions of Germans to death', 'The border of France is a permanant one, and will remain a permanant one as long as neutral countries remain neutral', 'Does not and will not ever have any interest in the west' - Adolf Hitler speech from memory, I don't recall hearing him mention the Jews in the first 20 minutes or so'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when he declares war on poland, apparently britain was unwilling to accept germany's offer of closer cooperation on stuff too'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting he mentions that, since holodomor/dekulakization/great purge is historically reported as having happened in the 10 years previous'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i considered that possibility before i ever heard the speech though'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's real anyways, and translated correctly, food for though'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't make the allies look too good if they were gone to war to force germany to starve millions of it's people to death, which hitler opposed'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in Pigs Flying News, the D.C. GOP added being pro gay marriage to their official platform for 2012. In other news, Hell has frozen over.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'next spam message they'll get a informative video they don't play on history tv i guess, haha'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like communism in guatemala, only bigger'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if they went to war with guatemala to destroy democracy and install stalinism in the 1950s, giving them syphallis and turning them into cia drug mules, and they started world war 2 to enforce forced starvation of millions of germans which hitler didn't agree with, then what are all their current war's about?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about fermenting hatred between islam and the west'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to prop up and profitise the military industrial complex'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It ended with the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. Germany surrendered on May 7th to the Western Allies, and May 8th to the Soviet Union, 1945, about a week after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide. Japan was able to hold out for another few months and was preparing for a desperate and bloody defense in the event of an American invasion of the home islands'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is so bad about being a cia drug mule ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heard the pay is pretty good.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hitler never declared an end to world war 2, and according to the video was justified in his invasion of france and war on poland'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you watch the video?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler invaded Poland after faked attack on a radio station just inside the german border'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'classic false flag'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1929-1939 russia starves and murders an estimated 30 million people in death camps'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the video hitler's (if it's him) saying that he refused to enact a law signed under duress to starve millions of germans to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly NATO attempted a false flag with that Turkish plane flying over Syrian airspace'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that germans were being treated inhumanely in poland'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also, poland had transgressed the border between them over 17 times in one night'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's in the video, you can interpret it yourself, cause i never heard of it on history tv, they always make nazi's the killers of the jews'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and hitler a powerhungry satanist'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine russia and the allies injustice is the reason they spent so much effort on blocking german media from their citizens'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'poland goes to obama lengths to deny any hand in the holocaust, i wonder if that has anything to do with the inhumane treatment of germans'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think the nazi's would really film their treatment of the jews, with that charismatic and justifiedly sounding speech by hitler showing that war is happening to protect germans from people who want to do that to them?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nazi's were adept at using film propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'anyone else noticed that ahmadinejad is like...not insane? dude got demonized hard by the american media it seems like'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'i mean, what i've heard him say in interviews is totally incontrovertible'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it didn't escape my notice. Once you start noticing the propoganda in western media, it makes you laugh because you start seeing it all the time'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mr. "There Are No gay People in Iran"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think anyone's ever called him insane (at least not in the media). Just less-than-enlightened on a lot of issues.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'i'm speaking more about his position on israel/palestine, don't know about a lot of his other policies'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'if you had only watched fox news, you'd think he was a diabolical madman'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't give a flying shit about the gay agenda, it's about the most overhyped non-'issue' there is'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Fox News and he's an arab.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What did you expect?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'and certainly with debate actually, he's not an arab'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that you call it "the gay agenda" proves what side you're on.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't care about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, I keep getting Iran and Iraq mixed up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer the donkey agenda.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has little impact on anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me rephrase that. He's dark skinned.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Fox News and Ahmadinejad is dark skinned.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like persians.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The cats?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world's going to hell in a handbasket, people are dying every day, and you're all obsessed about what someone ELSE thinks about sticking your todger up some blokes arsehole'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then Fox News hates you!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No we're not, Tigernust.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We could care less if you and your cohorts just left us alone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what the gay agenda does, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not me, it's the fucking liberals'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're making a fool of yourself, claiming to not care, yet calling it the gay agenda and talking about things like "sticking your todger up some blokes arsehole":'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because being gay is all about sex for you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fudge packers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's exactly what it's about, since it's not about any kind of rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'if you and you bigotted nutbag friends would just not legislate against my rights and not fight legislation giving me equal rights, nobody would care about you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already have equal rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except we don't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes you do'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'logically consistent position is eliminate all government recognition of marriage'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in many respects you have positive descrimination'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'marrigae is a religious/personal thing, shouldn't be institutionalized'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me change my usual subject of debate for a minute and start taking you on headon, Briton.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Marriage is not a "religious" thing. It existed long before organized religion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested. It's a non-issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know he is british ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'hence the /personal'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he could be your next door neighbor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'point is, you have no righdebsc'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me tigernuts, can single people adopt in the United Kingdom?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as far as i know'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who gives a fuck about "personal", Unforgivable`?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would a single person want to adopt ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some people think interracial marriage is wrong. Personal belief and all that shit. Doesn't change the fact and it's legal and should remain legal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would have to be whacko, thus not acceptable to adopt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"It's personal" must be the worst argument I've ever heard for keeping gay marriage illegfal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at some point in the next few months you might come to the point'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm trying to find sources on adoption in the UK. It's pretty hard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'i wouldn't make that point. the government shouldn't be sanctioning relationships at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I found it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'modern day marriage can be covered through contract'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Singles CAN adopt in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Homosexuals can only adopt as a couple in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Same rights my penis.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that doesn't sound credible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know how likely it is for a single man to be allowed to adopt in the UK?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'how could one even tell if a single is hetero or homo, for the law side?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doesn't matter. Single gays (of BOTH genders, you gender-specific anti-gay bigot) are automatically disqualified from adoption in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am all for gay marriage, boost the economy with more divorces and weddings, and psychological help.  No reason why straight people should get all the disappointment.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't be able to descriminate, homer, they aren't allowed to'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their heterosexual peers are not.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, gay marriage would cause a new boom in las vegas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THAT is not equal rights. END OF STORY.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yuna omg thats terrible, they should move to holland'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gay elvis marriages.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How so, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they do not exclude homosexuals, either single or otherwise from the process'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do descriminate against single people'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they should.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they do descriminate against single men'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'HomerSimpson: I guess you could lie through your teeth, but you have to go through rigorous investigations to adopt. If an anti-gay fucker finds out you're gay, they could deny your request.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. They. Do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, they should descriminate against single people'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As a single man, if you're gay, you can't adopt. END OF STORY. If you're heterosexual, you CAN. It is DIFFICULT, but the possibility exists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That possibly DOES NOT EXIST if you are gay. END OF STORY.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NOT equal rights. Your argument is invalid. SHUT UP.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yuna, a lot of end of stories here for something you just googled.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'you really make the impression of grabbing stuff out of your arse and calling them facts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just needed to confirm it. I'm not that big on U.K. politics. I just needed to confirm what I thought was true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'haha, how scientific!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would a gay couple or single want to adopt anyways? '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'make a hypthesis, google until you find something that points towards that it's true, BOOM! Fact!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't make a fool of myself by going into debates without the facts, like Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Oh, really?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, you make them up first :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Here's an interview with a single gay man who adopted a daughter in the UK -- http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/02/24/interview-adoption-for-the-single-gay-man/'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Majic, fake obviously'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm busy reading the legislation'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'didn'y you just hear? It's impossible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yuna said it with such certainty that it must be true ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'Yuna, from direct.gov.uk.... the following people are eligible to adopt, single people (irrespective of their sexual orientation)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hmmm.. I seem to have misread the law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'You seem to have made a fool of yourself ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at HomerSimpson.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants a Duff beer  ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's funny too, because it was the very first link that popped up when I googled 'can single gays adopt in the uk''
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The scant sources on U.K. adoption laws are confusing and unclear.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Then why was it so crystal clear just moments ago that homosexuals were discriminated against?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'funny stuff :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm Swedish, our Google(.se) gives different hits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I could only find sources confirming gay COUPLES could adopt. Nothing on single gays.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will concede that I was wrong on this issue.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So because you can only find a source confirming gay couples can adopt, that means that singles can't?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that, yes, I was a fool of myself.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but if it mentions gay couples ONLY, it's usually indicative singles can't adopt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'With gay couples it's a lot more obvious they're gay :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's obvious that if it's a single'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then sexual preferences doesn't matter in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In some countries/states, it's not about being obvious, it's about not thinking a single homosexual person can foster a child.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'hence gay couples are mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, and there ARE states that make that illega, and I think that's wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's still hefty to jump to such a conclusion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why I was confused. Adoption laws are very specific in many states/countries. In some, gay couples can adopt, gay singles can't (yet heterosexual singles can).'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i think that stability is more a primary issue than whether a single person can adopt single or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/38/part/1/chapter/3'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sections 50 and 51'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no restriction on adoption for either a single, or a couple, no restriction on sexuality'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We've already concluded I was wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was never in doubt'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Nox are the best race of people in the stargate sg1 universe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Too bad they fell off the face of the universe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical of militant liberals who always think they're being mistreated'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who is obsessed with gay sex should remain quiet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, i remember starting with the comment that i hated how the media and politicians kept making it an issue when it wasn't actually important'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd rather say that the person who has a habit of going off half-cocked and screaming at others without gathering the facts first should remain quiet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you chose to selectively ignore that'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it's not important, why do you fight it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fight what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The introduction of gay civil rights?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gays already have civil rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you think they're fighting for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, there's one thing that is a constant in almost all countries: A ban on homosexuals to donate blood. This includes the U.K. (and regrettably Sweden last time I checked)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's a sort of democracy to be a community of people not wanting homosexuality normalized in your community, of course the government disagrees and by law they have to accept it - people just don't make decisions for themselves very much anymore'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth munches on some peeps.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sterotypes and fear fuel most of the hatred'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'homosexuals can give blood in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places don't care, that's their choice - when a minority gets themselves enforced on a majority then that's dictatorship, not democracy'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the gospel states homsexuality is an abomination, but the government declares it must marry same sex people'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.blood.co.uk/can-i-give-blood/exclusion/'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'But making a national holiday for homosexuals? What makes them so special that everyone that is straight doesn't get a holiday. I thought the holiday was pretty over the line.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're only allowed to give blood if it's been at least 12 months since you last had sex with a man (as a man).'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny, i didn't think we included abomination in the state constitution'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I.e., not equal rights.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yuna, what percentage of new hiv infections occur through male-to-male sexual contact? '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What country has a national hloiday for homosexual?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think he's referring to gay pride day, which isn't really a national holiday.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on the country and state. Also, who cares?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well claim that someone who's had hep-b is being descriminated against because they can't give blood'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You test the blood for diseases.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baalaeron: 'I think the holiday doesnt represent fairness so much as there struggle to be traited fairly '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because male homosexuality is still a high risk factor for blood-borne diseases, not all of which are easy to test for.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it's disease free, it shouldn't matter. But it does... if it comse from a gay man.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they also don't let people (in the us) give blood who've spent too much time in the uk, due to mad cow disease etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why take excess risks if they're not ultra-short of blood? you want it from people with the fewest risk factors possible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that's discrimination, Majic!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't mean on a community level homosexuals have no rights in a democracy, government large can still protect human rights, but community could have bylaw against pissing in a public place as they can have same sex expressions of passion, which alot of people don't like to see cause it makes them uncomfortable'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'community by community though'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's also a life ban for those people who injected themselves with drugs! descrimination!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the idea of removing government marriage is pretty good though, it fits into more my kind of thinking'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just equated being gay with taking drugs, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Didn't take you that long.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both are risk factors for AIDS, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except they aren't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yuna, stop it, you're being silly now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unprotected sex is a risk factor, not being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not about the homosexuality, but the risk factor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except they bloody well are. Check the statistics for yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like tiger says though, homosexuality is an opinionated moral non-issue compared to the real issues in the world, and is used to mock the importance of the other'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Under the current U.K. laws, a gay couple cannot give blood, even if they ahve been monogamous (and disease-free) for 20 years.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'hence, gays who don't have unprotected sex can give blood, eh? ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I looked it up, in the us over 70% of new hiv infections occur through male-to-male sexual contact. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, shock, they regularly have sex with each other.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where, in the U.K.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can you read? I said where.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baalaeron: 'use a brand new needle every time you will never get aids I guarentee it sex with another male with condom theres feasibly still a chance '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You didn't capitalize "U.S.", so I missed it. I apologize.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Baalaeron, sex with another male WITH AN STD.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And this is why gay people should get a donkey.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Having sex with a healthy disease-free man doesn't amgically run the risk of contracting an STD.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'LOL :D'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baalaeron: 'obviously '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, under current UK laws, monogamous gay couples cannot give blood.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Not all tests at 100% accurate in testing, especially if you account for the human variables. If the guidelines were laxed and allowed MSM to donate blood, the risk factor for additional HIV infections would increase, a while back I read about a study that proposed that allowing MSM to donate blood could increase HIV infections by 1 person per year.  Taking into account the false-negative rate and the risks.  I'm not saying I'm okay with not being allowed to donate blood, but I certainly understand why I shouldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that it's not law, it's NHS guidelines'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to car insurance being refused on someone who is over 80'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're just arguing semantics. It's de facto law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least you can still use a golf cart.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's where it crosses the line from 'equal rights' to 'ridiculous'. I certainly agree with things like gay partners being able to visit their beloved in the hospital, have each other automatically as hcpoa, adopt children, et cetera.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a de-facto law, you are not prevented from doing anything because of your sexuality'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Princess Liathum is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(or single gays, before you go off on me)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Majic. They don't have many of those things in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all gay people would have to do is sign a power of attorney for eachother......'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of things that you CANNOT do in the UK that you should be able to that are far more important'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which take time, effort and costs money.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except, Riz, there are states where a valid power of attorney has been ignored due to local social workers finding a relationship between two elderly men repugnant.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Which is fuckin' disgusting, I forgot the names, but it was California.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'That is ridiculous, Majic. :('
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, Tigernuts, if you and your socially conservative co-horts just didn't fight it, there wouldn't be uch of an issue.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'put the two men in different nursing homes and wouldn't allow visitation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like the fact they don't want your blood, then blame all the promiscious people of the last 30 years that spread it around'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean the case where a gay died and his partner got nothing from his estate? They auctioned off his stuff and took the money?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why are you assuming he's fighting it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'churches are forced to marry same sex people, being based on the bible'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As far as I've seen, he's just said that he thinks it's overblown. Not that he's fighting it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because he's against gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '@majic'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is against gay marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Which was made apparent two days ago)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're not? Then there's no issue here.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Chemosh, I'm not aware of a case in the US where a church has been forced to marry a gay couple, but in states where it's legal they ARE entitled to have a civil official perform their marriage regardless of the civil official's personal feelings.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But why do you blame the "liberals" for making an issue out of it then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello, they are called wills.....I can leave my estate to the Donkey Salvation Army if I want.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'There're some legal hurdles in a same-sex partnership that heterosexual couples don't have to deal with.  Granted, there are legal forms that can be off assistance, but not every couple has the monetary means of having a lawyer draw up the necessary paperwork, not when a simple marriage license would do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no such thing as a country or state where religious institutions are forced by law to marry same-sex couples against their will.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do liberals make an issue out of it? who knows? it's probably all they've got, since none of their stances on anything vaguely important hold any weight'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, this is another example of you jumping to conclusions based on a hasty reading. What he's saying is that HE thinks fighting for other things is more important, not that he's against it in principle. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Now you can disagree on the importance (and of course you do, we tend to focus on things that are important to ourselves).'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'There are more important things that need to be in the U.S. before the issue of gay marriage comes up, IMO.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Princess Liathum shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's the thing, Tigernuts. It's not the liberals making an issue of it, it's the conservatives. If the conservatives simply did not fight gay civil rights, there'd be no issue. New laws would be passed painlessly, nobody would care.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nuh uh, it was never about that'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But some (like donating blood) I agree should be left :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in saskatchewan (where i am) there was'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm not about to get into a left-right paradigm argument about it, both sides should stfu about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sources, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'more HIV cases per year because nobody stops the madness, then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i draw the line at forcing religious groups to conduct gay marriages against their will'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'I agree with it, the risk of additional HIV infections is far too high to reduce the guidelines.  Until HIV testing is better, I'm fine with it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Saskatchewan's top court has decided that proposed legislation allowing provincial marriage commissioners to refuse to perform same-sex weddings on religious grounds violates the constitution. http://www.ctvnews.ca/court-refusing-same-sex-marriage-violates-constitution-1.594565'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, when gay marriage was up for vote. Every single party in parliament voted "Yay". A single party, the Christian Democrats, who held 4% of the votes, voted it down. Nobody fucking cared, it was a non-issue, it passed and the Christian Democrats looked bad.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but in terms of legal rights, and a right to use the word, let them have it'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'End of fucking story.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'non-denominational or denomination which accepts it is ok, but here's they're transgressing a church's bible that says homosexuality is wrong and saying because they have the ability to marry ordinary people they must marry homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody has EVER argued for forcing religious constitutions to marry same-sex couples against their will.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, trying to convince people to use safer practices and avoid unprotected sexual intercourse, especially with multiple partners, would do a lot more to reduce std infections than trying to ban gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Actually, yuna, some people have. Be careful with words like 'nobody', they make you look rather foolish.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, Chemosh. Give us a single source for that claim.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Single nutcases do not count.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you Americans really have a supreme court judge called "Boner"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Princess Liathum giggles at Tigernuts's actions.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you're confusing a case of a Christian-owned venue being forced to allow a gay couple to rent it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a source isn't a source cause you didn't look at it, typical'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a quantum source'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, I missed it when you postd it last time. I was busy typing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Saskatchewan's top court has decided that proposed legislation allowing provincial marriage commissioners to refuse to perform same-sex weddings on religious grounds violates the constitution. http://www.ctvnews.ca/court-refusing-same-sex-marriage-violates-constitution-1.594565'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The hell is wrong with you, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Pronvincial marriage commissioners" =/= "Religious institutions"'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you find it odd that when half the western world's economy is teetering on total collapse, people spend vast amounts of energy talking about the definition of a word 'marriage'?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what priests are called because they have the ability to marry people legally'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'komtraya!'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally find it incomprehensible, verging on disgraceful'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, no, there's no Boner on the U.S. Supreme Court. I think the Republican House Speaker is named Boener or something similar, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'There's a Boner on the N.C. Supreme Court :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Bill Clinton? :O'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yet, I still cant find a pest control service that doesnt rip people off around here.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While priests are marriage commissioners, not all marraige commissioners are priests.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'denmark, early june, gay couples have the right to get married in any church they choose, the priest can refuse to perform the marriage but the bishop must arrange a replacement who will. unless I misread it, which is always possible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Religion was a defining theme of the Great Depression.  Just sayin'.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Marriage Commissioners in Canada are Publicly Appointed though, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must not be getting THAT close to teetering.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, so you ignore the arguement and assume no marriage commissioners belong to churches and all marriage commissioners is therefore a nonissue'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'If they're publicly appointed, I understand the court's ruling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic, that's beacuse the Church of Denmark took a vote on it and they SUPPORT same-sex marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Still waiting for that $1 a gallon of gas to come back....'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, democracy there, like i said - this is what results in hate crimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Chemosh. They are civil servants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Princess Liathum.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I totally agree that a civil servant should not be able to refuse any valid marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not even are communities voiceless, but so are churches'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their god has to be politically correct'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Same thing goes, btw, for an employee in a government hospital. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"That's when the provincial government sought advice on two versions of its proposed law -- one that would allow all of the province's approximately 370 commissioners to refuse to wed couples on religious grounds..."'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The case was NEVER about priests only, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not going to happen, Riz.  Not until electric vehicles become just as cheap and powerful and widespread.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'I agree that churches should be allowed to say no, but if gay marriage is legal in the province, the public servant should uphold that law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Princess Liathum.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, my natgas car runs on fuel that currently costs $1.67 a gallon equiv :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Princess Liathum is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'And hospital employees as well.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scratch that, now it is $1.62'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'I pay $3.07 a gallon for my SUV :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they make commercially-available cars that run on natgas?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'honda does....the only one for non business fleets.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A marriage commissioner itnerviewed for the article is not a priest.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more people should buy a natgas car for local driving....makes sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh, that case was never about priests vs. gays. It was always about marriage commissioners vs. gays.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas prices have dropped nearly 10% here of late,'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'down to $8.07 a gallon'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Marriage officials can't refuse gays: Sask. court http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2011/01/10/sk-marriage-commissioners-1101.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Right, but what I can't find an answer to is -- does a priest have to be a marriage commissioner to perform marriages?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're a 7th day adventist priest you have to marry same sex people or get your ability to marry anybody revoked'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've been looking, to.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Marriage official is a CIVIL position.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'too.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is what comes from having a bunch of parasitic criminals in charge of the country'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they couldn't have avoided this issue by allowing them to deny marrying homosexuals and hiring some government nondenominational marriage commissioners'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of communists'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody's forced to conduct same-sex marriages in their churches against their will, but being a marriage commissioner is a civil position. You have to follow  the law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'In San Francisco..'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Here are the requirements to become a Deputy Marriage Commissioner for a day: http://www.sfgov2.org/index.aspx?page=48'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why must the government hire some new people to staff places where only bigots are marriage commissioners?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In some rural places, there may be only a single marriage commissioners. So gay couples are expected to travel to another city to get married?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, marriage commissioner is a CIVIL position.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I'm religious!" does not fly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'My position on that is that the government should be responsible to provide marriage comissioners that will take anyone in.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bigot now, i think homosexuals are bigot's cause they expect society to conform to them instead of allowing them to choose to'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at HomerSimpson.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is a wonderful fuel source for producing electricity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a democratic government they say, they should be upholding that fact before forcing their devil's law down god's minister's throat'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is what they are doing, HomerSimpson.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but that shouldn't stop anyone who won't comission just anyone from comissioning marriages.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or just be like New York and allow people to marry each other with witnesses instead of requiring marriage commissioners.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Either follow the law or don't be a commissioner".'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'IIRC, in New York any marriage vows are valid, with or without a commissioner, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why, HomerSimpson?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods liathum, all you need are witnesses'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Been awhile since I've lived in NY.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There was some fucktard who refused to marry an interracial couple in the U.S. last yaer or the year before that. A shitstorm ensued. I think they lost their job.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wish we'd all go to that anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods yuna, it was a conservative religious judge in louisiana'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of marriage, and make them all civil unions.....3 years maximum, with unlimited renewals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I don't like it!" is not a valid excuse to discrimiante when you hold a CIVIL position vested to you by the government.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and as a public official, he absolutely should have lost his job.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean he DIDN'T?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Where did I say he didn't?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You said he "should have", which implies he didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yuna, that depends. If the government pays your wage, then I totally agree.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It does not.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if it doesn't, then I don't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It CAN imply that. I haven't kept current on the subject.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Should does not in any sense imply the opposite. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It *can*. It doesn't have to.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Why stop an organisation from comissioning marriages just because they only turn to part of the people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Should just means that I agree with him losing his job over it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Should have" can imply "Didn't happen".'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It can. It doesn't necessarily.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. I interpreted it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there enough denominational tax-payers in your nation to justify your church civil democrat servants upholding it's church skepticism of who it administers it's civil duty on?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Organizations don't commission marriages.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's tehir wages and your accumulated tax's of the clergy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, HomerSimpson, what if they hate black people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'churches should pay property tax.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if they hate not-white people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if the church doesn't agree with interracial marriage, I'd support their right to be bigoted on their own property.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if they just hate specific people? "I hate that idiot Thomas Cartwright's face. I'm not gonna marry him!"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'doesn't mean I don't think they're a bunch of morons.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'victimising the black people now, are we?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then let them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if they hate people who have been divorced?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'We've established that commissioners are public servants, has nothing to do with churches or anything organized.  As a public/civil servant, they should only be required to uphold the constitution and laws in their territory.  Religion shouldn't affect that at all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if they hate disabled people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'there will still be plenty of places for black people to marry white people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'congregation*'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, why should people who hold civil positions be allowed to discrimiante based on personal beliefs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because in a democracy everybody has an equal say in a matter'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In some places, they have to go to another city.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it pertains to them and their freedom, if it's a free nation'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all governments are "civil"'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'because it's a mess to have to marry twice, once in church, then again to make it count for the law'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As long as the county courthouse (us) or similar marries anyone who shows up for a valid marriage I don't see the issue with what Joe Blow's church does.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which means they either have to have a separate ceremony for friends and family. Or have them all come with them. Either way, money, time and effort has to be spent.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the only reason to want that kind of law is to piss off religions people'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Civil Servants need to uphold the laws and constitution of their territory, if the laws and constitution of their territory are not to their liking, there are channels they can go through to get it changed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it doesn't help anyone to not allow them to continue marrying people'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic, don't all church weddings require civil marriage licenses, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's really inconsequential what the church thinks and does.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(legally speaking)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except that in many cases, the minister is the official who performs the marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, I know. My point was that they don't technically do it as part of a religious institution.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would saint homosexual want to be married by a minister who believes marrying them is wrong, but is doing so against his own free will?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and why does that matter?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's pretty arguable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think the church requires one on religious grounds, so much as they're being good stewards of the community (ie, the state requires it so the church follows the law)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh, SHUT UP.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good questions are worthy of silencers'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That bill IS NOT about forcing priests to marry same-sex couples against their will.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In their view, they're doing it firstly as part of their religious institution, and only secondly as a civil ceremony.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't like it up him, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's about not enshrining in the law the right for ALL marriage ministers to discrimiante.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Regardless of whether or not they're priests.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, have you any source that says that a minister isn't required to be a marriage commissioner in order to perform marriages?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Chemosh: I got my driver's license renewed the other day from someone who works in the Department of Transportation, should they be able to say they'd rather not provide me with my documents afforded to me by the laws and constitution of my territory because they don't like that I have a different color skin than they do?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If he's required to be a marriage commissioner in order to perform marriages (which I STILL cannot find a source for), then I would actually disagree with it. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not the point, Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The right to perform marriages is not a religious right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, it is the point. You're saying 'If you're going to marry anyone in the church, you need to marry everyone who comes, regardless of your religion.''
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They can have their symbolic religious rites and rituals all they want.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But if they choose to get the CIVIL right to perform marriages, they have to obey the law. Not discrimiante against anyone they happen to dislike.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, not in YOUR CHURCH.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So you'd force someone who wants a church wedding to have two ceremonies. Funny, you seemed to be against that before.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we can discriminate based on whether you have a medical marijuana prescription or not, I don't see why we can't discriminate against other things.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not advocating forcing priests to perform church weddings for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'why is it necessary to force the extra hassle of another marriage in a civil court? It's just extra work for the government AND the couple.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But they ahve to perform their CIVIC DUTY when it comes to marriage for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame the liberals for that, Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another thing they're hypocritical about'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I'm not, Majic. You don't need two ceremonies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only if all of the priests in said church refuse to follow the law and do the job they are contracted to do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, but if the minister isn't authorized to marry you civilly, you need to go to the court as well. '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And if he IS, he has to marry anyone who comes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And I do disagree with that. Sorry.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the LAW.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the department of transportation is a non-denominational institution'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And where do you draw the line, Majic?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It's newly the law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would a minister put himself in the position of granting a license in an out-of-church context if he knows he would disagree with it on religious grounds?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a bit of a tard to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At gay people? Black people? People color (not white)? People with foreign accents? People who the priest thinks are too young to get married? Handicapped people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that'd be taking personal beliefs into a general job and descriminating based on those, which they do anyways'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Easy. If you want a marriage, no questions asked, no requirements needed, go to the county clerk. If you want a religious marriage (which may require pre-marital counselling, may require you to be a church member, may require a WHOLE LOT of other things), then go to a minister.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where do we draw the line of who a priest can and cannot discriminate against as part of their CIVIC duty?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'why is the priest beign forced to provide a service to anyone?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'What priest is being forced to provide a service?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'we draw the line at "no one is forced to do anything"'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marriage is usually done in a church and is a casual job of it's members, not a job done in a tax-payer office for the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't get it, do you, Majic? In some rural parts, priests may be the only ones who can marry people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Liathum, I can't find out whether, in Saskatchewan, a minister has to be a marriage commissioner to perform a marriage as part of his church.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baloney'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yuna, that's the govts. responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fare morely likely to find a civil marriage guy than a priest pretty much anywhere in western europe'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they didn't hire the priests, so they can't demand them to perform the service'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far*'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I'm actaully not against a bill that allows priests to opt out.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Then we have no disagreement.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was just questioning the heart of the matter.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Priests can opt out. Nobody else can.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the government shouldn't handle marriage at all, but that's just me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Not the best source, but according to ehow, "While laws differ from state to state, you must usually hold some kind of government licence or religious ordination in order to legally perform marriage ceremonies."'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article Chemosh linked to was about ALL marriage commissioners, which is what I was debating.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, note the 'or''
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure, Yuna. But as I've said a few times, I can't figure out whether priests are required to hold this certification or not in order to perform marriages.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Starling: Then what about all of the right afforded by marriage? Or do you wish all of those rights to be covered by Civil Unions?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And if they ARE required to hold this certification, it does force them to choose.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'nod, which it shouldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but they can fight their own fight. Introduce a separate bill to allow for priests to opt out.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That SPECIFIC bill was a general bill. Not one meant only for priests.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baalaeron: 'easy answer is make sure theres a certified guy to marry gay peopl in every major city ixne on the rural argument thers all kinds of stuff rural ppl dont get cuz they live out there'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why it was rightfully struck down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'I think if you're ordained, you should have a government exemption (separation of church and state and all that) but the couple should still have to "file" paperwork at the local courthouse for the civility of their marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I'd rather say that one should make a separate bill for marriage comissioners hired by the govt, and force them and them alone to marry anyone'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at HomerSimpson.
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like bills, the rent is always too damned high'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'occam's razor people, if you're having to make all this legislation/loopholes/exemptions, somethings wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So being a marriage commissioner is a right, but not gay marriage, HomerSimpson?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Regardless of HOW you get married, ultimately, you should file that marriage with the federal/state government.  That's the only part that gay marriage should affect, whether the government could refuse or deny the marriage license based on sex.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'where did I say that gay marriage wasn't a right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unforgivable: 'no special government benefits, everything else covered through contract, then you have equality'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think occam's razor needs sharpening'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'many countries work like that Liathum. I'm pretty sure it's like that in Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marriage is a symbolic representation of two people's commitment to eachother, maybe people should protest getting married by the government if they're making your church violate it's faith'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But HomerSimpson, anyone has a right to discriminate against gay marriage in your proposed legislation. Thus it is not a right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can be married, just on a different level than theirs, which is all about control'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, any homosexual is free to marry a person of the opposite sex in church, so no discrimination here ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, unless I'm mistaken, marriage is 100% a civil affair. You go to the country clerk's office, you file the necessary paperwork, you do whatever. Church weddings are a formality. Everyone's happy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if you marry in church (svenska kyrkan) that's official'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'learn your own law, dude'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think you still need the civil paperwork done.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'you get a paper'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but the ceremony is official'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'you don't need to sign shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh? Didn't know or care. I'm not getting a church marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my pens don't write on shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Always thought you needed to sign papers regardless. Not that it matters, really. Svenska kyrkan supports same-sex marriage. Priests and churches can opt out of it, but gays can get married in church.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'supposed to use them on paper, but kudos for creativity'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Baalaeron: 'get a stamp its easier anyway '
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'hey, I said you DONT sign shit ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'we're not stupid here, you know ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, not *some* of us at least :D'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Civil and religious weddings require the same paperwork in Sweden from what I can tell.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, no difference.'
T3/r7/2012-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yes, it's the same, and both also require an official ceremony.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I missed this last month "http://news.discovery.com/history/amelia-earhart-distress-calls-120601.html". Guess there's a new expedition going out to look for her plane. "http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/02/do-clues-to-amelia-earhart-mystery-lurk-beneath-the-sea/?hpt=hp_c2"'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US really needs to spend $10 billion or so over the next 5 years buying 70 new boeing firefighter jets.  We used to have 50 of them c-130s, but now the fleet is down to 14, and one just crashed killing 4 people onboard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can they be used to kill tuurrrrrists?'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Conceal only works on items.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a 500 mile lithium air battery for vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An acre of corn can be used to generate 300 gallons of ethanol per year, while an acre of algae can produce 6,000 to 10,000 gallons of light sweet crude oil annually.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can grow algae on water'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(PC) Progressive Conservative a duel meaning for Politically Correct suppression of democracy and freedom of speech communism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hate stalinists'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh cool the news said there's a heat wave coming'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh and there's a student loan rate extension... maybe i should become a grad student'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cost of education and availability of jobs with go up and down to cater to their inability to pay it off for imf bailout communism'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and quality of education too, that'll go way down'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're removing mathematics from grade school now, cause computers are god like the particle'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'student loans should be based on potential payout if you're going for a field that only pays out if you are the lucky SOB that gets the doctorate and actually finds one of the openings in that field... aka 1  in 10k like oh archy... you're capped at a high payback rate to deter foolish persuits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'or a masters in fine arts...'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at computer science, all them people getting their degree in the future of the world industries, and now yahoo/hp and others lay off 30,000 at a time'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when voters are not educated in science subjects, they are simpler to fool with religion, bad statistics, blatant lies, corrupt politics, greedy business'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dumb people are easier to con out of money....'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'hell even 'sciences' doesn't mean you're employed in that field... I was in engineering and told point blank 1st year, of you that graduate, less than 20% will *ever* use what you are taught, get an MBA it will suit you more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Business Administration" requires "mathematics"'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'united states military college or whatever in new york/new jersey produces alot of successful businessmen, i guess they pay for harvard and other places too - competitive job market, must work for (a) government to be the 47 million dollar per year CEO of air canada etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just a lie. In any field, you need to continue learning throughout your career if you want to remain on top of it. That's true for engineering, MBA or anything that requires brains.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's my impression, i don't see ordinary people ever getting to that point without serving a government'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What you are taught is a basic understanding of your field, nothing more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need 100% of it to be able to learn enough to continue working in the field.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the Bob Newhart school of accounting ("get the totals to within a few cents is okay") uses some arithmetic'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'north korea does that too i think, pampers certain people in high-expense paid trips through life, that's one thing i consider when i consider the reality of governments like america being different from governments like korea'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you'll never hear the republican's talking about cutting high-expense paid 47 million dollar paycheque individuals from the tax-payer, they're more focused on the peasant's social spending'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how is that different in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am willing to bet that the US government pampers more people than the N. Korean one :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'precisely'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can you spell J-U-N-K-E-T?'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the Bob Newhart school of accounting ("get the totals to within a few cents is okay") shall become more popular if they no longer teach arithmetic in USA schools (version2 of similar joke)'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they don't teach arithmetic in the US  :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they do teach how to remove shoes to complete calculation :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you become an Imm the bots will revolt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think numbers really make all the difference in war?  if so india and china must be unstoppable'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there even 1.5 billion white europeans on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's twice as many of each indian and chinese'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Kill ratio is much more important than sheer numbers, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tell that to the russians'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nuclear weapons as a deterrent mean there will be NO traditional war between any deterrent or allied country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'War is by proxy, as it has been since the end of WWII'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah but NK or Taiwaan could get hot pretty quick. It's unlikely, but in that case, the Chinese army outnumbers the US army by a little less than 5 to 1. So if the US had a 6 to 1 kill ratio, it'd be a long, ugly war of attritrion with a slight edge to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If the US could manage a kill ratio even higher than that, they could win faster or save more lives.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Are you thick? China vs US = nukes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Number of grunts means nothing anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'land area of china's not very much though, they'd require alot more nukes fired at the usa than the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I doubt it. At least not at first. What's the fun of ruling cinders?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nukes mean there will be no 'first' - war is all or nothing unless it is by proxy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm still trying to figure what could have persuaded the uzbekistan government to forcibly sterilize 4 women per doctor per month'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Heard of the Cold War?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I doubt killing troops would be the major use of nukes between China and US... they'd be high-altitude EMP blasts to knock out the war machine.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, they would be ground level attacks on production facilities. Which just so happen to be cities. All of them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why would china and usa have a war in the first place? doesn't make much sense'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There was no mention of troops entering the USSR or the US over Cuba. It was always going to be a finger on the red button and hello armageddon.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is the pacific military drill they're doing with russia this summer for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're way too co dependent for that '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Maybe. But if you can shut down a few factories, or a couple thousand square miles of electronics and vehicles, it'd be a lot easier to march your army in against a disabled enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it reports on bbc putin going to china and are hand in hand on all issues, what other issues are there in the pacific besides china's korean ally?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oath - you miss the point. The leaders have no reason to lose - all they have to do is say "get the fuck out of our country or we nuke the world"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the entire point of MAD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody can or will ever win.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Taiwaan, Okinawa, US vs China influence in other countries like the Phillipenes, undersea resources... it's a pretty busy area.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes, and it is ALL by proxy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, but the point wasn't if it was all by proxy, it was facing China's billion+ people pool.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What do people matter? How many nukes per square mile do you need before people stop being a factor?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here's a hint: less than we already have.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nonexistant future, versus eternal bondage under nuclear slave pharoah's leading to eventual extinction, at least the nonexistant future offers the possibility that existance will continue and the pharoah's won't be part of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like when people just get it over with'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just imagine the asshole's who'll rule the world tomorrow, earned nothing human trash thinking they're god, being worshipped by billions'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as bad as stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably be the world under stalinism forever'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems western nations are turning into communist pig pits, and ukraine is heading back to the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think nu-style Putin-ism is going to be more common.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Cloak and dagger type stuff again.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'More Cold War East Germany instead of WW2 Siberia.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're doing that now with the slave-camp political prisoner railways and 80% fraudulent drug-charge allegations'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'locked up and maybe killed in prison to save the tax payer some money'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine the kind of traitor you have to be to serve a government like that, coming from the general population to frame it for your government and call it enforcing the law'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder which government originally set that up, possibly the byzantines'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and you and your government's the only real crook'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'At his death, the role of the emperor as a patron of Eastern Orthodoxy was claimed by Ivan III, Grand Duke of Muscovy. He had married Andreas' sister, Sophia Paleologue, whose grandson, Ivan IV, would become the first Tsar of Russia (tsar, or czar, meaning caesar, is a term traditionally applied by Slavs to the Byzantine Emperors). Their successors supported the idea that Moscow was the proper heir to Rome and Constantinople. The idea of the Russian Empire as the new, Third Rome was kept alive until its demise with the Russian Revolution of 1917.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Really the US is probably a lot closer to old Rome than a lot of European countries. A federal republic, using a stock market to leverage arbitage, and a fractional reserve banking system.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'inven'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i was thinking of the concept of bring out the worst in your people and paying them for crimes against themselves, like the romans setting free their slaves who choose to stay and subject others to the conditions they hated'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe making it worse and worse as time goes on'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the west at least everybody's given a fair trial, not south of america though, as long as they're not too rich - then they're beyond the law like is proper for a criminal of such high calibre - haha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cops rigging evidence get prosecuted once in awhile, sometimes they'll make evidence disappear and handle the investigation themselves though, and if they're in on it then nothing'll be found out'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're just not in on it as much there'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada the harper communist party makes new laws to break instead of declaring the red guard can detain whoever they want (being drafted by the obama communist party) and find the evidence after, if anybody asks'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in china recently, i think they added an amendment that after seizing sombody for no reason they have to inform the family after 24 hours'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just really hate the government of the entire world, it's pure evil'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places are a little worse than others though, others deteriorate over time using the rot as justification why a liberty must be sacrificed on the altar'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm never under the illusion that explainations for oppression are there for anything other than the illusion of diplomacy'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think all the protesters in the world could touch a soft spot in somebody as evil as the genociders of the 1930's heart?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'd just provide an easy target and future political target for future cattle-ranches by their participation'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to those kind of people'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine they live in the middle of the most disgustingly oppressed and starving area of the world in a gigantic castle and see you protesting a dollar, not being an emancipated world vision commercial you'd make him feel even better crushing you - like the woman for the IMF says about greece'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'protesting them's where it's at, not what they create/subtract from you, they won't listen'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'evil reptilians!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if human reptiles exist, i met a woman who claimed she knows one that lives about 50 miles from me though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd say the humans who cause this kind of evil are in absence of any form of conscience though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read once that vlad the impaler was raised in a ottoman dungeon watching political prisoners get executed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people in cambodia are pretty strange too, from a look, even the reporters are scared to notice they're strange'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had a pretty rough recent history though, like the absence of any form of moral guidance almost, total brutality'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'you talk like Druzil. is Druzil your alt, Chem-man?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how does druzil talk?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'long lonesome debate monologues'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better than interactive talks about nothing isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'oh maybe'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always assume i'm talking to the trash i'm talking about'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one one level or another'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'you could take it like.. "all is you". and go crazy:)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'cause its the truth'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hwuaijijal winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of the things i hear here are arrived at from other places and the amount of knowledge isn't present in most common modern history and things like that, so they're possibly behind some of the things i hate in reality'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they follow me to other internet applications, some of them - that's unusual, something a government can do'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if putin actually worked for the KGB and the kgb was disbanded in 1991, and the german stasi was the kgb's half of germany, which aljazeera says retired into 17,000+ jobs in government and industry in 1989, and their job was to police civilians and torture 'politically incorrect' people, what kind of people could be developing things like the production of the minds at this place?  which are infernal alot of them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nice. eu parliament voted against acta'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, what do you mean by "if putin actually worked for kgb"? putin was in kgb and fsb'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read it on wikipedia, and am not a administrator of theirs to look through their records and verify things myself'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'said from 1985-1990 in dresden'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yes. he was the real kgb dude'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm only interested cause of the infernal minds that surrounded me my whole life, principals, co-workers, employers etc, classmates sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really care about what happens in the middle-east except if it affects me somehow'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looking at the german stasi's job, they're a possible explaination'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'middle earth'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to figure out who my enemy is so i don't have to falsely accuse people, but assuming things is what the prosecution does in court'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or defense sometimes, they propose and then deprove'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GrCHctYyWA what do you think of video's like this? What is even more chilling is this expose' on how William Ayers is planning to implement their mutual Marxist ideology, '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'has some strange claims in it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'claims that communist scum like russia invented is in control though, which can be arrived at from many angles'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder if that video i just watched was from ukraine or not, possibly'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, will the new particle found get us closer to ftl travel ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think the new particle as it fits in the theory helps put a block on ftl altogether'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Ukraine: Blunt force: Torture and police impunity in Ukraine http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/010/2011'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't hear about that much on the news, or the british royals going for a visit to there sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'geez, torture in syria! after war's in afghanistan, iraq and libya - never mind people you do business with who are stalinist devil's'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all bad though isn't it?  i wonder if it's useful to uphold the illusion that torture is the real issue or not though, seeing as how they ignore it done by their own security council nations, ie russia and china'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they seem to be the ones sending guns to the 'terrorist', the un, etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the next holocaust, maybe only security personelle will be burnt to a crisp'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Uzbekistan_relations america's great adjacent ally, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550 Two other medical sources suggest that there is especially strong pressure on doctors in rural areas of Uzbekistan, where some gynaecologists are expected to sterilise up to eight women per week.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a big newsworthy debate if it happens in other places though, maybe even a morality boost to war'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They should go to China and India and sterilize women'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i heard they have policy's in both places to control the population, indian's prefer male children, have poor health care and have initiative to get sterilized in the forms of material wealth'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in china recently they had an interview with a woman who's 8 month old foetus was aborted by the police'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of the population problem is a matter of cultural values and respect though, i think, not many people are loyal partners in any neck of the woods'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people don't watch their government closely, then they might find themselves eventually in the same situation'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like in canada, breaking all the rules harper's assured that he has 3 years left, both him and obama write amendments and legislations to remove freedom from their citizens'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that bush did too though, so until the people who tell them what to do are dealt with then there'll only be illusion of change in that trend of going that way'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you talk as though you are proud of and agree with Harper'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that how i sound?  i'm just accepting the worst and the large-scale corruption that made it happen, and making predictions based on that assumption'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't mean i agree with it at all, but like the guy on the earlier video says, 'what you think should be is not real, what is real is real''
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you seem to be proud of "accepting the worst"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps a demagogue with poor language skills is his own worst enemy'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only thing there is to be proud of in accepting the worst is not being self-deceptive to cope with life, if what i'm seeing is correct there's billions of people who're wronged but don't accept the worst cause it distracts them from what they enjoy in life, would you be proud if you didn't enjoy anything in life?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and maybe there'll even be a surprise, the worst was a little worse than what is, so it's a morale booster'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a decent demagogue is supposed to speak against corruption and wickedness, not state an affirmation of the corruption and wickedness'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the odds of solving problems that don't exist are the odds of a asteroid hitting the earth in the next 5 seconds, and usually you have to comprehend or see something to be a problem before you can go about solving it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'identifying the problem is part of speaking against the proper corruption'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'identifying by affirming wickedness is also corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, some old cultists used to divine information from torture, maybe in a different context than the government - if the government defines corruption and gets it's information through it's wicked practice, then what's worse about discussing it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's enough though, i'll leave my amnesty find on debate -h for some random spam to enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you make your bed of affirmed wickedness, then you die in that corrupt bed, and are rejected as an affirmative toady'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the etymology of "toady" may've come from "Mr Toad of Toad Hall" in the book "Wind in the Willows"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more powerful than the gangsters?b The Russian paused, then smiled: bGood observation.b http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich The Russian oligarch threw a B#5 million bash for a lucky select 300 guests at his B#58 million holiday estate on the Caribbean island of St Barts, according to the Telegraph. http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/01/01/abramovich-throws-worlds-most-expensive-new-years-eve-party-in-the-Caribbean/'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remembered the article from the news around new years, i think of it as a symbol of just how feeble any single person on earth is (and possibly their politicians) against who really runs things'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bleh, more (self-)defeatist tripe from Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(get your act together and grow some intelligent balls -- xchan)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, if one of your entertainment pieces costs 1 million bucks and survives, and 1 million bucks can pay for 100 assassinations in most areas of the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why i remembered it, with all the other thing's i'm considering, rich russians making the news for 10 million dollar new years party (or 8)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that defeatist or real?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'non sequitur irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, just a hard working guy with a knack for good times, that's fine'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much does the average torture toy in ukraine make in a year for spending on new years?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much does the doctor get paid for 36 uterus's a month?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's irrelevant if stephen harper and barack obama aren't part of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all seem to be working together in some way though, i just can't shake that assumption'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't report every 10 million dollar yaucht they buy do they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why did they put it in the news at all?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people didn't even know a american billionairre owned a private island that was stolen from the native american's until 2 months ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the news doesn't report anything about billionairres without their approval first'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, what part of america (or canada) WASN'T stolen from native americans?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is worse than P^hFox news'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, as far as i know, some white people coexisted with native american's just fine, but the others, like the communists genociding europe, came and then that's how the whole theft culture started'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Uh, Canada was stolen from Native Canadians. Duh.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'haven't you ever watched history of captain cook, how he treated hawaiians and others?  also tales of eskimo's in eastern greenland gone missing cause the 'adventurers' shot them all'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were they all pretty threatening people, or were the explorers all worthless commies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all people are like that, but people like that come in every physical appearance'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'spanish people brutalized bolivians, bolivians adopted their christianity and culture'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one thing i like about argentina shutting down their oil company, though it's likely that some communist replaced them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every line on the map has a bunch of homicides and rapes and slavery about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'native americans should be thankful the chinese didn't colonize them, or they'd be like the tibetans'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't mean they should be quiet about when they're actually mistreated though, blowing false whistles too often numbs people's ears'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of them are raised without awareness of places like ukraine and uzbekistan, just how bad things can get etc, screaming oppression and things while there definitely is none comparatively to the white man they're raised on being their demons, who are fucked worse than them in europe by communist's / marxist-leninist who treat every race like their garabage'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'history isn't kind to the more peaceful cultures when they collide with the  warmongering cultures and it is unfortunate but that is life'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that northern china was a peaceful place till genghis khan came around, then i guess china became genghis khan'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how the people like stalin managed to rile up millions of russian murderers to kill their own people while they observe stalin eating like a pig, and how so many could be produced on such a constant basis from that time - is a marvel that's worthy of a book on mind control and use as justification by atheists on why the human mind has no concept of justice'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dumb animals foresure, that's amazing stuff, but everywhere ends up doing it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no 'peoples armed police' in china, they're armed against their people'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police here just ordered some crazy new assault rifles'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's understandable that police have to have weapons when there's weapons in the world, but in some of those places the police are the people's worst enemy, even the terrorists are scared of them, because they are worse - if police were as neccessary to uphold the law then that's fine, but do you think with a midget chinese child being adopted into an american family, cast out of his home because he was a flaw, that they couldn't have put up that one the woman had for adoption instead of chopping it out?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a matter of social values and respect, like i said, they like absolute dehumanization and immorality with murderous solutions to every problem instead'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they really are like the servants of the ideological satan, except this hell is the world they rule'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i guess even there he's probably not feeling too good either'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meh, I don't want that defective coming to the US so I can pay for it with my tax dollars'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The world is overpopulated, badly, nothing wrong at this point with culling defectives'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'overpopulation will happen again after they cull the herd, it's no solution to the long-term problem of having murderous people who are the absolute scum of the earth in control of the earth cause only they're evil enough to order the repeated genocide's'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mindfulness/respect/wisdom/values should all be what's taught to children growing up and practiced in business'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most people do the wrong thing and then want to revert back to something they see as the right thing, if that's absent then they keep on their way'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and government, i mean, turn on your television and how many evil temptations are there ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just how i see it, people seem to be un-naturally evil and incapable of governing themselves to justify their governance by somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't you think it'd be best if the people who ruled the failed world that has to be culled were culled first, for their bad guidance?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be the greater of two evils, the teacher getting the blunt end of the shitstick instead of his product, which he'll produce again'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the soldiers and police might remain loyal to him and his guidance though, not having this introspection themselves'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at how they immortalized crucifying adolf hitler, under the belief he was the sole perpetrator of murdering millions of people in the last 100 years, they want him to die and die again and again and again, but would you support a new age conceptual hitler?  maybe a stalin?  cause they seen there's a job that needs to be done?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listening to the hitler speech, if it's him, in the 'hitler declares war on poland' youtube video, it sounds like his arguement was alot better than stalins'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i didn't hear him mention jews in that speech'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then they might follow a new genocider's orders in the future, raised on hating one in the past'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or not, since stalin's mostly missing from the modern history'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the movie 300 a mentally disabled person is stigmatized as the price of having defective people amongst you, being ruled by xerxes'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's not the kind of defection people should be looking for as reasons to kill'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're going to look for one'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that wasn't in 300, that was Meet the Spartans.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the leader of russia live in a castle eating 10 peoples share in wasted food and feasting on every carnal lust imagineable, while he declares stalin's grain must be seized from the kulak's and not distributed among their employees, who were lied to'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they tgo on serving stalinism, cause he's not defective'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and themselves become the same kind of defective person that i'd look for if i was a world leader'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them people who stuffed stalin's face may have been justifying stuffing their own, seeing a simple minded man who's readily acceptible to his own mass-consumption while millions are murdered'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people's definition of 'simple' varies though, like a 12 year old autistic child might be a master in molecular biology'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say al qaeda posted on their website they was going to burn a bunch of us forests this year, do you think they could be behind the firest in colorado?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why assume this year is unlike any other wildfire year?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't, there's always alot of fires'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'No, of course not. Al Quaeda technically doesn't exist the way media portrays it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except they call this one 'the biggest' so that makes me double think'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'occam's razor suggests that, just as previous wildfires, this one was started by lightning strikes OR moronic campers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod Majic'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Quaeda was created and is largely funded and directed by western intelligence agencies, notably the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8646527'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did see it on the news, i'm no al qaeda or nothing, i just thought of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Oh, if I were running al qaeda I'd be claiming credit for nearly anything I could just to fuck with people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Your car wrecking? I did that. '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Italy losing the Euro? Al Quaeda did that!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Burned your toast? No, that was US'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The United States burned my toast?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kim Kardashian being famous? Al Quaeda! One Direction's and Justin Bieber's careers? Al Queda!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cia wouldn't burn themselves down at least, i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The CIA practically created LSD. Let's not play the "What the CIA would and would not do" game.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most guns in terrorist world came from america or russia, and most chemical warfare from britain'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hmmm. I think I'd leave Russia out of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'transnistria?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would Russia provide terrorists with guns?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1987 portrayed movie about america using egypt to sell guns to the enemies of russia?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they was invading afghanistan then'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia's recent MO is undermining the west's media propoganda, and poisoning people with polonium'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Alexander Litvinenko and Yasser Arafat shows'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would russia feed it to the american population though?  like in the ukraine there where they have no restrictions, they're not really about fair are they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many european emmigrants in america?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would what when now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much say do they have in the actions of the government that armed the enemies of russia and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I literally ahve no idea what you're trying to argue.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think russia understands mindlessness pretty good, they seem to use the media to that affect though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just saying how it is, that russia is led by traitors to humanity and itself and will be until they're replaced'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i can tell'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the world is'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'europe has already been taken over, so has USA and UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Africa is about to be'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'So, What, China is the bee's knees?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'south america is about the only free countries left at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like the craziest shows on Fox News and conservative talk shows right here on Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Traitors"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, though there's some hilarious stuff on abc and msnbc'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Ultimately, every government is going to have problems, and like bear the weight of the disdain of the populace, because ninety percent of the time, they don't even know what they're upset about'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, i always include other nations in traitor portrayals'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Likely*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even my own'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because ABC and MSNBC are totally CONSERVATIVE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't care what they are'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i never absolutely claim nothing and stick to that assertion, only relatively until i find that absolute'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kisumitrui, I'm upset at your mom for being so foul, I'm writing my Congressman and asking them to declare war.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Precisely.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Declaring that Europe's been taken over by traitors to the human race because... Russia is arming terrorists?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Actually, you kind of did.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'europe has been taken over by global banking cartels'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, the US arms terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was chemosh talking about traitors specifically'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hitler's forever demonized, stalin's legacy is honored by russia in putin and other's'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i know'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, then you just declared that Europe's been taken over by traitors to the human race without supporting that crazy supposition.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though you could easily argue that global banking elite who are working against sovereign nations' interest could be called traitors'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the 'disdain'?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you nutbags realize that Russia is 2/3rds located in Asia?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Europeans are traitors to the human race because they drive small cars and eat vegemite.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you whittering on about?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia isn't the bad guy, it's "another bad guy"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like China'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, if you were paying $8 or $9 a gallon of gas, you would be driving a small car also.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, if prices were THAT high here in the US...our business sense would take over and our large cars would become much lighter.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna can henceforth be titled "Chief Liberal Whitterer"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nothing wrong with Liberals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadians should be getting their fuel for free, consuming 13% of what's poisoning their land in a year'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll be among the first to be run over by the machine'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they pay more for it than the usa does though, like in most other things'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or more people would switch to natgas cars.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you talking about now? "The machine"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't speak Crazy. I have no idea what that means.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pink floyd baby!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz, these uncultured swines'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll be the first to be run over by a Pink Floyd song?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'XDDD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, you'll likely be ground to dust in a concentration camp, or thrown under the wheels of the military police'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's called 'Apache Oil' who's slogan is 'whatever benefits houston''
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3rd biggest oil in the world with multiple black flag companies (labels that they own)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's where they're putting the pipeline from alberta to'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's come to this now, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome to the Machine, sheeple.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actively advocating for my death and the death of liberals?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's the direction of travel'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, just advocating the death of your mom'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least you're standing tall and adopting the gospel of your conservative talk show nutbag idols.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? i'm advocating nobody's death, i'm just predicting it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Alas, you are already here, so killing her wouldn't fix much'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Tigernuts, while I'm completely certain that you'd be the first one to throw Yuna and I into your little happy fun-time camps, What on earth even brought this hostility out?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not hostile to anyone'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nonsense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pure unbridled craziness?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Nod Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Of course leave it to a right-winger to instantly run down the path that Tiger did at any sign of an intelligent counbterargument.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Counter-argument*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You'r the ones throwing ad hominems.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see you're still trapped in the left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're calling -me- crazy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'You're the one turning it into one'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Starling, he who went with the "Your mom" line of ad hominems should not be throwing stones.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'YOU originally started going off on Liberals this and that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Yuna started it by going off on conservatives'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ad hominens? why does everyone attack the character of the people they disagree with? this is the debate channel, stop it :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But I'm not using the 'your mom' comments to further any argument'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'petro china installed in canada 2 years after petro canada is bought by suncore, which is a crown corporation of china who has over 125,000,000 immigrant worker at this time, while stephen harper 'streamlines' the immigration process'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of communist scum, kill them while you can i figure'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Yuna only said that ABC and MSNBC were conservative media outlets'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For someone who once critized me for turning all debates into a Left vs. Right debate, you're surprisingly fast to accuse others of "falling for the left-wing paradigm" (or something like that).'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'And they are.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'To which you said something about throwing Liberals into the machine'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because you just have to live in the ukraine or uzbekistan or one of them places to see what you will be'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc types "debate -h yuna" and looks for intelligent counter-arguments...lots of fox news, lots of nutbags, lots of crazy
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is your duty to revolt against the unjust.  If voting the bastards out doesn't work, then active revolt is necessary for the survival of a free people, so that the machine does not gain complete control.  The machine being that which would take away your rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I went off on right-wing nutbags. Not ALL right-wingers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a particularly useful debating tool to selectively read the channel, kim'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, there's a huge difference between "ring-wing nutbags" and "all right-wingers are nutbags".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, do you have anything even vaguely useful to bring to the table?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is a nutbag'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not exxon, petro-china is afghanistan's post-war oil company'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What, like more useful than condemning people to concentration camps?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What could I possibly bring to counter such brilliant arguments such as "Russia is arming terrorists!" and "Europe has been taken over by traitors to humanity"?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'highfive Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exxon is partly owned by russia's crown corporation though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as is india's'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're topics of debate so far-removed from sanity I'd be insane to even TRY to refute them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NATO is arming terrorists, Russia probably does, though I don't know of any off hand right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '..'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Brilliant argument, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, all countries that can have been selling weapons to evil doers for decades.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"This is deffo. happening! I just can't remember the details! And I won't research them or anything!".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'BAHAHAHA'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including, china, russia, usa, canada, uk, france, germany, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria happened in a different universe to you, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rizgoth - that's exactly what russia does to ukraine and uzbekistan'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NATO is not Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing Libya didn't happen in Yunaland, either'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem is, one persons definition of an evil doers is another persons definition of a patriot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, "dictators" =/= "terrorists".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're absolutely wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'brainwashed people don't count'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's !=, not =/='
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'INDOCTRINATOR'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I also never saw "russia is arming terrorists"...I saw "most of the guns came from the US or russia"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'CHURCH OF THE NEW EPOCH'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'PERSUADERTRON'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Yuna, I think we're just going to give ourselves hemmorages here XD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example, during the american revolutionary war against the brits.....if france had not sold weapons and helped us to fight the war, we probably would have lost.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please do'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not familair with "!=". But "=/=" definitely means "Does not equal".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'yall should take a world geography class'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, both != and =/= are correct...one's a computer programming convention, one's a mathematical one'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr. Tzara: 'or world politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '!= also means "does not equal"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. I never said it wasn't. I said I wasn't familiar with it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '!= is programmer speak for does not equal'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '! flips the value of whatever follows actually'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And =/= only exist due to ignorant folks who don't know any better'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yuna: you could bring the kgb agent who's president of transnistria and the most wanted man in europe's his security chief who sells guns to them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, when did I name YOU.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and various other tools, beyond the ordinary selling of helipter engines to china and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where did I claim to be named?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You said "Also, I never said" as if you felt the need to defend yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"I never saw" =/= "I never said" :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't even make sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to see things when you stagger around with your mind closed to everything except what Mrs Clinton says'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, it does...read before opening your fingers'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'technobabble'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But whatever. Europe's been taken over by traitors to humanity!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tiger, what is with all this attacking of people? does it advance a purpose? :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Likewise with Mr. Limbaugh, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, iran didn't down them drone's with compromised telecommunications protocols, like i read on bbc'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom doesn't have enough charisma to take over much more than a street corner'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'or are you a Coulter fan?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A less confusing way of putting that would've been "You misread 'saw' as 'said'".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And even that's giving her a lot of undeserved credit'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, that wouldn't be any less confusing to you'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What brilliant paragons of debate you lot are. Ad hominems flying out your asses, accusing entire continents of having been taken over by traitors to humanity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Sigh. And the rest is "No, you're just stupid."'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you can't understand "what you quoted me as stating" doesn't equal "what I stated", even when using your convention for "does not equal", I dunno how it'd be more plain any other way'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have science papers laid in front of you, dozens of media sources quoted and you would still running around in little circles going "la la la la didn't happen doesn't exist"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why bother?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I saw" =/= "I said" wasn't clear at all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'So don't let that stop you from citing sources'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Direktna Akcija for president'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You seem to think that Russia is corrupt = All of Europe is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'la la la! doesn't happen! doesn't exist!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'How is me saying "Show your sources" Saying "La la la"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It might come as a shock to you, but most of Western Europe is actually very critical of Russia. Russia is considered a borderline dictatorship.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But I guess since we're not waltzing into Russia and forcibly removing their public officials from power and installing a government of our own liking, Western Europe is ALSO corrupt... due to guilt by... proximity?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Must be.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It is a borderline dictatorship, but most of western europe saying that is something like the pot calling the kettle black'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That is easily the most ridiculous thing you've said yet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the...?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it ridiculous?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Great Britain is a dictatorship, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please feel free to name all of the Western European countries which are borderline dictatorships.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Ireland? Scottland?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This should be rich.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at america, usa uses the nation's south of itself as deadly violent oppresive death states as a firewall from reach itself'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think, maybe they're really independent though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would europe be any different?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who voted for the EU president?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about made it , damn 57 mutilated dead in mass death pit'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who votes for the EU Commisars?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'So Europe is just one country, now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'answer the question'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody could tear down russia's dictators but their own people and police/military'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'It's a question with no answer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to understand that "Not direct democracies" =/= "Borderline dictatorships".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'The question doesn't apply.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because we know the answer'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then the kgb probably predicted that, so they have to take precautious measures'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You don't seem to understand that using =/= makes you look like a dumbass.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU dictates 84% of the policy of it's constituent countries, it parachuted in a leader into Italy, it parachuted a leader into Greece, it is actively dictating financial policy in 17 EU countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Starling, stfu dude. =/= is a mathematical convention, not programming'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you have anything to bring to the table except ad hominems, Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even outside of those, the 'democracies' that we have are largely illusions of choice, much like in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It... parchuted a leader into Italy and Greece?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Tigernuts, cite your sources.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What you just alleged.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Jesus.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what you can do about that, Tigernuts? Have the voters vote parties into office which will secede from the EU.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, mathematics uses a single symbol to represent "not equal to", it doesn't use =/='
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That symbol isn't on a keyboard, smart-ass'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america the same, they're taking pre-emptive measures against that as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '=/= is the closest approximaton.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Starling. Find me that symbol in ASCII, fucktard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it does in fact use =/= in a sense, it uses an equals with a forward slash through it frequently'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you just can't render that in telnet'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to render that on your computer unless it's in graphics.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Depends on the font, actually'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Actually, Yuna, I think its in unicode'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not a direct democracy is a dictatorship hands down'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Starling saying no personal attacks when you're busy personally attacking Yuma over something that you are WRONG about'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some king's are just, others are not'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fixedsys doesn't have it, but I don't use the incorrect and clunky =/= for "not equal", I use the shorter and correct !='
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Starling is not personally attacking Yuna, not all disagreements about ideas are personal attacks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'he has been calling her a moron for using =/='
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think the difference is the degree of seperation in the statement. "You're acting like a dumbass" vs "You are a dumbass".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That IS a personal attack'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hmm... apparently it is. But it's EXTREMELY limited in what fonts it works for.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'okay, yes, I agree, that is a personal attack :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't recall ever using the word 'moron' in this discussion'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'No, you probably said something more insulting'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And saying 'this makes you look like a dumbass' is not the same as calling someone a dumbass :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'I apologize for censoring you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Milkshake, he's been doing nothing for the last hour but doing "Your mom" attacks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well you did imply people were ignorant for using =/= earlier, and thats a bit leading'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He literally called for the death of my mother but added that it would be pointless since I'd already been born.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Totally not an ad hominem!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'No, no personal attack there'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"ignorant" is not an insult, it just means that someone doesn't know something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I agree Kis, no personal attack there :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'And sarcasm is lost on him as well'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, you know, afte ran hour of nothing but pesonal attacks (Starling has literally not added a single cogent argument to the debate), a single "Fucktard" is pretty warranted.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Are you sure? I think Starling acknowledge dyour sarcasm and treated you seriously to twist your tail :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm just pointing out a clunky and silly-looking usage of symbols, and pointing out that a more succinct and intelligent-looking alternative exists :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Speaking of Fucktards, between Star and Tiger, I've reached my quota. Channel off'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine how foolish people protesting wall street look like to the people who control the government in colombia, which closes rose-packaging factories so that it's women have to become whores'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good riddance'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not on this client, Starling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your troll attack does UNBELIEVABLE things to Kisumitrui! [108901]'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'er welcome to try to use the single-character version of =/= on Aardwolf. Or most programs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '? <- This is it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not silly-looking or less-intelligent-looking to people who actually possess intelligence'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I generally just use !=, which is correct regardless of where it is used :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And in cases where I can use the slashed equal sign, I do :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So either you were/are ignorant or just willfully obtuse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can it be, is Abelinc actually defending me?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I did the first time starling made the comment as well, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mentioned the mathematical vs programming convention before kisu did'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know. But you're persisting.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Starling, I think I am not in accord with you ehre, != is good for programmers, coders, logicians, etc but most people don't understand it and they do understand =/= including the programmers.  What decides the legitimacy of a symbol if it isn't universal recognition?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And actually insulting Starling while doing so.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't insult starling, merely refuted'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on who you ask. You implied he wasn't intelligent.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I don't see that as a personal attack. It was an opinion about a group of people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meh, Abelinc is irrelevant, and =/= is still clunky and incorrect :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, I for one am glad to see that debate is as full of insightful and intellectual conversation as always.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what makes it clunky and incorrect? because it isn't used in academics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's understood by pretty much all children in the 5th grade and up...!= is not'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'YUH-HUH IT IS'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'compares argument to Hitler or Holocaust...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which begs the question...are you smarter than a 5th grader? }:>'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think Starling is desperately clinging on the argument that =/= is incorrect because it should be rendered as a single character.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is literally impossible on Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aard's policies make the single character version illegal'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as it says in the gospel, the worker shall be known by his work'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not impossible, merely outlawed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Not on private channels.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're kdiding, right Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just that the MUD doesn't use a font which includes the =/= symbol.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The MUD doesn't use any font.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the MUD doesn't use a font at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's your client'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Your CLIENT uses a font.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or rather... a system that can handle the =/= symbol so that it can be rendered back to you in whichever font you use.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the MUD supports extended characters, your client may not...because some clients may not, the MUD has decided to enact policy that they're only allowed in private'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the MUD FULLY supports a system that can handle the symbol, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, Aardwolf can send unicode characters,.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... the symbol can be used but only on private channels? Wait, why?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'help policies1, third paragraph'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'George Bernard Shaw and "the Humane Gas" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'headlines of the british newspaper mentioned mussolini, hitler and stalin in the same line - while hitler and mussolini hated stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''get things done' means what exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listen to this video and look it upt:'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listen to this video and look it upt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not really Wrilley: 'can we get a tl;dr please'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't it be more appropriate to run around screaming "la la la la doesn't exist"? '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the video, he claims to refuse to honor a law signed with a gun to the signator's head which demands that he starve millions of german's to death, and to declare war on the basis of inhumane treatment of german's in danzig poland and poland's repeated violations of it's border'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which, if you look it up, happened in russia and ukraine'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '30 million murdered by stalin before this speech'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '6-8 million jews claimed killed by the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he claims britain is non-communicable and won't talk with them about the violations of poland'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and various other things, it's interesting to hear - after the video from the brit inventing zyklon b'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and people think of germany as a killer of jews, isn't that unfortunate if it never happened that way, but stalin did it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '.. What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fresh insanity is this?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'redefinition of nazi'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listen to it, i came to that conclusion before i did'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Plz rpost link.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plz lrn 2 history'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listen to this video and look it upt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''get things done' means what exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'headlines of the british newspaper mentioned mussolini, hitler and stalin in the same line - while hitler and mussolini hated stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is that the same speech as the one you talked about yesterday? About how Hitler didn't even mention the Jews when declaring war on Poland?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who CARES?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Polish might'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who are jews probably do'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hitler didn't mention Jews =/= Hitler didn't hate and kill Jews.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What, Yuna?  I don't know what that means.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Provided it's even a correct translation'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't believe the people who are jews actually DO, chemosh...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if I were to declare war on a country for the purposes of genocide, I wouldn't include "By the way, I totally hate those Jews and plan to gas them all!" in the declaration of war.''
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that Hitler wasn't stupid doesn't prove diddily-squat.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I thought Kisumi was done with this channel'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, he was brilliant, no question there'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Must not be able to stick to his guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I doubt any Jews are gonna watch that translation of that speech and go "Oooh, Hitler totally didn't hate us. I guess he was swell!".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'I thought so too -.-'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Actually coming back is more a result of sticking to my guns too hard rather than just giving up'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Congratulations, you've proven Hitler wasn't stupid. It's not as if that wasn't established fact already!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Call it what you will, I guess :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I call it 'lack of willpower''
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Call it what you will.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, you're the one who said he was done, but then waffled and came back ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some jews are KGB agents according to recent news on russians frauduelently collecting holocaust funding in new york and toronto'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having family with auschwitz tattoos, the [lack of] mentioning of jews in one particular speech doesn't remove their tattoo or their memory...I did get a kick out of the "hitler was just wrong about which people to kill" part of that GBS youtube though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, from what I can tell, that video was posted by a Neo-Nazi.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'True enough. Damn my curiosity about what kind of inane things people are coming up with!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is it a coincidence that you ping my Neo-Nazi radar, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the b'nai b'rith quoting kgb supplied evidence against a 'nazi' in quebec'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fear the kgb'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, some jews are kgb agents...like some kgb agents happen to be jewish...how does that mean anything?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not jews as a people working with the kgb'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dafuq, you're not even TRYING to hide it anymore, are you Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never said it was, but some of their leaders and advisors'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what leaders and advisors?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't have to be a neo-nazi to point out corruption in any group of people'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which people do you think you're discussing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're openly declaring yourself a neo-Nazi, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if you do, then it's good that you are'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus, nazi germany has been gone for 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the time, france loaned the US, $31 million.....a lot of freaking money back in 1782'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Neo" is confusing you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sewers living in hungary don't have jewish leaders and advisors, btw'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your use of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the fact that you're not openly stating it doesn't mean you're not blatantly using neo-nazi propaganda, arguments and videos to prove a batshit insane case.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not neo-nazi propaganda, it's a speech made by hitler'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like saying "I'm not a racist, but black people are fucking disgusting and need to lose the right to vote."'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be batshit, but unfortunately everything is batshit according to you'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And? What EXACTLY are you trying to prove with it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does he sound like an actor, he's just pretending like these others?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, seriously, what exactly are you trying to prove with that speech, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm pushing the envelope on the USSR doing the holocaust and pinning it on their only resistance in the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What??1'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Totally safe and not neo-Nazi bullshit!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or britain'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'And that isn't Neo-Nazi propaganda?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Totally SANE"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia slaughtered plenty of it's own during ww2'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except for the German death camps, that's a totally sound idea.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the material's considered, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Oath'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to stalin's invention of modern death camps in 1929'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'WHAT materials considered?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're saying... eh... the Russians or Brits created all of those death camps in GERMAN OCCUPIED COUNTRIES and then pinned it on Germany?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think we agree that stalin killed many jews...that doesn't make hitler/nazi germany not a bad guy, though...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot even be sure of which country really killed the Jews because... it's BULLSHIT!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That doesn't mean that Russia was the mastermind and framed Germanu'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you know the USSR made documentaries showing footage from slaves piecing together Mein Kampf?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does that seem ostentatious, and something the justification you hear in the video would do?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to know if Russia were behind Yasser Arafat's death though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you know what we're treating every single word that comes out of your proverbial mouth with 29 kilograms of salt?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it would be in their interests'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, it would be in the zionists' interests, too'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course, you hate me as a group, and any evidence i show can be bought to be not seen by the judge'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the islamists'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, just about everyone's interests except the Palestinians'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Chernoby- Chemosh, Can you cite sourses for your little Mein Kampf thing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's what i'm considering though - given this seemingly real speech, and this seemingly real british man i wonder..'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not now, the director died in the 70's-90's though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How do you even FUNCTION in real life?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'born in 1880's-1910'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Chemosh, if there are documentaries of the Russians putting tgether Mein Kampf, then cite sources.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the documentary was footage from the alleged nazi's putting it together'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I confess! I'm a Soviet ex-KGB spy! We built ALL of those "German" death camps back in WWII in countries occupied by Germany without their knowledge!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in slave camp's which stalin invented'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Or, in Internet Vernacular, "Post a Link to prove it."'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't see any of you geniuses citing sources to prove him wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But then, that's how liberals work, they demand that all other cite this, cite that, without ever citing a damn thing themselves. :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'History proves him wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We then somehow abducted and killed millions of Jews from GERMAN OCCUPIED countries without the Germans noticing. Then we pinned it on the Germans.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'he needs to prove himself right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Muahahahahahahahaha!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'france had no occurrences of rape until the germans were deposed, by occupying forces'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But you don't have to prove yourself right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by the great allies'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's when the crimes started'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"History proves him wrong" you say, yet I see nary a citation :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France sold Europe out'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody French :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who CARES who invented the CONCEPT of concentration camps?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i do, cause if you hate somebody and what he does, you don't do it to yourself, if you're a leader of your people'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That's why nbody likes the French, Tiger :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how Wikipedia doesn't mention Stalin inventing the concept of concentration camps at all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hitler and mussolini were both world war 1 veterans, and both had virtues, hitler's was to deny starving his people to death for occupying russia, and british fuck you's, mussolini's was to remove the corruption caused by the mafia'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Wikipedia is run by Jews who... want to keep the world from knowing who really killed them during WWIII?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WWII'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mussolini was batshit insane.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all jewish people are closed-minded'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so was hitler and his supporters according to bbc'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well OF COURSE HE WAS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hitler was insane'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if fighting against the devil's insane, and stalin is that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sources for the claim that Stalin invented cocnentration camps?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'He got rejected from Art School and decided to purge the Jews.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dekulakization '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'holodomor/great purge'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'concentration camps were around hella long before stalin or hitler were born'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Aye aye'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Were you homeschooled? Are you parents neo-Nazis?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they may have been, but not on such a large scale'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm nothing like my parents'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is there a history of mental illness in your family?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'So you decided to one-up them?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being a bastard and wiping out people you don't like isn't a newish philosophy'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thank Buddha for that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for fighting for what i believe in, and none of the wars in the world are that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'None of the wars are for what you believe in?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except when somebody notices they been sleighted by their government, or glued to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'genocide is as large a scale as it gets...and yes, just as large a scale predated hitler or stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Glued to death`?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i understand their hatred and who caused them to feel it, i'm fully supportive of destroyign them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is English your 5th language? Sometimes what you say makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Smetimes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I don't mean that in an "Makes no sense to sane people" kind of way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who says that if someone learns a fifth language, they don't know it well?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You got a citation to support that implication, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sometimes, the words you've strung together do not belong together.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Haha Star, stop being a smartass :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no ur 2 u r lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Glued to death"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom's cootchie and your dad's dick didn't belong together either, yet here you are'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'are you allowed to say that on this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently. He's been doing nothing but spewing that shit for an hour and a half.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a cursing channel'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they may have been = concentration camps were around hella long '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That wasn't cursing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yuna inserted the allegations they want to murder my parents for'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it certainly is when you are here starling'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'What, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you operate in an Alternate Universe, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I ever say anything bad about your parents?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you believe in god?  then why believe in alternatives?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I questioned whether they were the cause of your apparently insanity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't threaten them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'neither did the joke Stasi'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, that sentence didn't make sense.-'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Why can't you just be perfectly rational like all the other MUDders.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Gregor'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you'd need a hammer to your face to feel anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Chemosh, why are you even TRYING to troll?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why are you working with yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Generally, trolls need to make at least a MODICUM of sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Presumably because he or she is sane?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's not trying.  Epic troll is troll.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I dunno kisu, I think he's being quite successful without it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sane is docile retard'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not sure if troll or just batshit insane. Or both. Why can't it be both?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'If his intent is to make people think he's stupid, and that's the aim of his troll, then he is wildly successful, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm stupid, but i point out things all the smart people missed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that Chemosh doesn't give a toss what you think of him'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'You're not pointing out ANYTHING.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if his intent is usual trolling, where he's got both of you foaming at the mouth trying to keep up arguing, he's successul'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Yu're spewing disjointed madness and when asked to prove what you're saying you issue more dementation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kisumitrui, there's no need to get worked up about what he's saying. Either he's a troll and feeding off your outrage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or he's batshit insane, in which case yelling at him won't help.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'type "debate -h" and look at the two of you going full-tilt at it...he wins'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Good point, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'How do you know they are not cannibal-trolling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Restore a Rumour: 'be careful with the personal attack folks!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NOW you step in, Rumour?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Rumour, wrong time to say that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been going on all night, ru mour'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's never a wrong time to say that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Starling keeps pulling is A-OK but if we call someone "batshit insane", that's crossing the line?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Well, let me rephrase.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snuggles up to Restore a Rumour.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'a long time ago nwould have been the more appropriate time to say that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree, I find Starling to have been extremely offensive this evening.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Agree Gregor'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this evening?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'new around here?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'everyone knows ad-hominem attacks are NOT okay, until you're the one using them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Twice Starling has said that it is regrettable I was born. A-OK.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'then they're apparently completely okay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Bahaha Krikon'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Me calling Chemosh batshine insane, not okay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Let's not forget that you should be 'ground to dust in a concentration camp,' Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'batshit is the most sought after fertilizer on earth after elephant dung'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Batshine?  Nah, everybody knows he's NECROshine insane. ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ok yeah, let's not forget THAT gem.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Restore a Rumour: 'I am making a general comment to all on this channel - personal attacks are not okay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are not your nursemaid, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why can Starling keep personally attacking me?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Well, everyone, for that matter.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you take offense at the things people say, then don't talk to them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, either Starling can't or we all can personally attack each other.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'She just said no one can.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why do you assume that the comment means 'Everyone but Starling, stop it' ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so because rumour was asleep earlier, your master debate is that you're now ENTITLED to ignore the IMMs and the rules...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except when I asked her whether what Starling had been saying about me was OK, the advice I got back was "Put him on ignore :)"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Primarily the timing of it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not kidding, smiley and all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Because Starling consistently gets away with making personal attacks against other players.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Um, because, that is the usual course of action?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that is the proper advice, yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But when I called Chemosh insane, SUDDENLY, personal attacks are NOT OK, Rumour steps into the channel and warns EVERYONE off.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't make this about me, the vast majority of the personal attacks have been from you liberals towards folks who don't agree with your ridiculous notions. *shrug*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't take action after the fact for stuff like this, unless it's WAY over the top.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Starling calling for my death and my continued existence and birth unforunate, that's totally okay!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Whether or not it was the proper advice is moot. The point is Imms are issuing warning towards Yuna, and Starling had already been complained abut'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'That's just the way things are Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'The IMMs must love Starling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: '"Oh say can you seeeeeeee.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please cite where I called for your death, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rumour made it clear "I'm here and watching now, everyone (Starling included) will not be committing them", your response is "but she started it"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not saying I am ENTITLED to insulting Chemosh. I'm asking why Starling gets free reign.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you are yuna, you JUST stated that you're entitled to it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MOM!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Um.. No?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I'm asking why Starling got away with so much.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you didn't ask why...you stated WE ALL CAN'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'The sign of a good troll is when people continue at it, long after he has gone..'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why the response I got from Rumour was "Put him on ignore and it'll be OK.", pretty much, not a "I'll talk to him".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why bother insulting a simple minded fool like me, when you can so easily show me the flaws in my logic'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here's my position on it:'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, but do you know that "I'll talk to him" wasn't part of it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling couldn't care less about your fucking problem.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Well, if she stated We All Can, that's nt saying SHE is entitled, it's saying everybody is :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I said "Either".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'IMMs won't often tell YOU that they're going to have a talk with someone...YOU'RE not entitled to that information'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said "Either Starling can't (either) or we all can". It was my way of asking "What makes Starling so special"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Okay, so if he DID get a talk, why did it continue sans consequence?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yes, the proper IMM response to the person who says "I don't like what someone's saying" is "put them on ignore"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'y u so mad?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rumour made the statement "Starling and others can't"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'u mad, bro?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'so if someone gets away with murder, we should all be able to kill people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obviously Starling's an imm alt who knows how long his leash is. :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'U jelly?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yet your response is still WE ALL CAN'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts cackles gleefully at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it really wasn't, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Yu're just twisting her words.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, it was Yuna...you just can't read your words objectively'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's rich :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was "Starling said this and that. There was no intervention then. Why? Either Starling can't personally attack others either or we all can."'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'tbh I'm fine if we just freeze starling for a few days and then leave it at that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a democracy, each case is dealt with on an individual basis, by the people who are affected by the release of the prisoner'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guyz, brah iz mad'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when that statement is made *AFTER* the "nobody can declaration", your interpretation of it is incorrect, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'She said it just pointing out Starling's behaviour, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) I did not see that declaration. 2) I was HEAVILY IMPLYING that Imms were giving Starling too much special treatment.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, she stated it with an entitlement and an ultimatum'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They claim you can't personally attack each other, but everything indicates Starling can.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'You're just choosing to read it that way,.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I have a penis.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swiftly you jerk open your jacket, trying to get him to notice you.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Sorry, Yuna is a feminine-sounding name'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You giggle.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'i.e the summoner from FFX'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I have two.  One is for serious business, the other's a handy canvas for my artistic creation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not the one screaming and bellowing on about it.  Rumour said to watch the personal attacks.  I have my own opinion as to my comments really count as attacks, but I'm I don't have enough invested in this to go ahead testing whether or not I'm right. *shrug*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know. I just wanted to point out my "true" gender.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'grammar fail'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did none of you finger me? I'm listed as male.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like it known for the record that i have no interest in your gender'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Can't say as I did, lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, and starling's listed as female...like that makes a difference }:>'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'kisumitrui is thinking "i've been defending this person the whole time and it turns out it's a GUY?!" :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but you usually don't list yourself as male with a female name if you're female.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'but.....starling told me she was hot!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the internet, everyone's male.  Those who say they aren't are crossdressing flamers'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Lol Krikon, his gender means little.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'I would have sided with him either way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but a lot of people make an assumption based on the name rather than fingering.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I still want to know why brah iz so mad @ me'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most people guess i'm male because my name doesn't end in -a :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most violent hate crimes against minorities are done by people who hate the world government and try to identify with it's only resistance in the last 100 years (8?), thinking that he was a racist'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think too much fingering of strangers is going on'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as hate groups'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more harm is done by committing to the possibly flawed perception than otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fresh insanity is this?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hey, deja vu.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Think about that when you look at your perception of Russia being behind the Holocausrt'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, didn't you argue this already? Like, yesterday?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were behind holodomor/dekulakization and the great purge, not to mention various others'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'has someone mentioned about arguing on the internet and special olympics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc wins!
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We've gone from "The Nazis didn't kill Jews" to "Hate crimes aren't committed due to hatred of minorities but due to hatred of the world government!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it totally makes sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'XD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'So, Russia's government hated itself so much that the Jews just had to go?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, you lash out at who you think you can successfully lash out at'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, totalitarianism involves control of people's instincts all around - which would allow for the government twisting the perception of it's enemy for the people who don't conform to it's oppression'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not going to direct your hate actions to someone who's going to kick your ass'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That isn't a symptom of just toalitarianism'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always sit down with the biggest guy in the bar'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the school kid who's pissed at his dad is going to bully the little kids...not because he hates them, just that they're there'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what's up with these random no-sequiturs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a rebel'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, I'm sick and tired of that excuse. Some people are just rotten.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, we've got ad hominems and non sequitors...someone's feeling latin today'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sometimes, bigots who beat up or kill someone for being gay is just a bigot. They probably had bad influences in their lives, but they aren't necessarily bullied themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or lashing out at "the man". They're just idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: '"come to bed sweetheart, it's late"  wife- 'I can't...someone on the internet is WRONG''
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'e pluribus uno!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unum.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'XD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I actually only had one card left'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I actually took 3 semesters of Latin in High School (it was part of my Major, linguistics).'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What a wasted 3 semesters. That language is batshit insane. Seriously.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'hey latin would not appreciate such ad-hominem attacks'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'HAHAHAHAH'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least you can understand what the demon says in the exorcist'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'XD'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Latin has a bajillion declensions, ways write nouns, pronouns and adjectives based on their function.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know how if there's a dog involved, in English, it's always gonna be written as either "dog" or "the dog"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Yeah, I imagine it was a beast of a language t try and learn'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Latin said "Fuck that shit".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc votes for thinkspeak
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'I'm going to be starting Japanese lessons, son ^^'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are SEVEN cases for nouns (and another 7 for plural).'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Soon*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Holy, Hell, Yuna! I didn't know it was that crazy'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: '-,'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the other romance languages are based on latin, and they're all pretty easy.  How is latin vastly harder?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are also 3 different types of nouns, so all in all, it's 21/42 ways to write these 7 acses.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The craziest case is Locative. It's when you'er speaking of something in relation to soemthing else when it comes to their location.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'That sounds cnfusing as all get-out'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, instead of asying "The dog in the house is small", you'd smush "the dog" and "in" together.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the stupidest part is that they don't have prepositions. They just express location through context and locative.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kisumitrui: 'Well, isn't that rather common?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So if it's "The dog[in relation to] the table", you have to guess where the dog is in relation to teh table.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a contraction.  Like de el = del in Spanish.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not exactly how it works. Here it is in action:'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Canis est rufus (Canis = Dog, Est = Is, Rufus = Red)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Canii est domum (the dog is [somewhere in erlation to] the house)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not sure of if "Canii" is the correct way to write "dog" in locative, but you get the point.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, I misrememebed slightly. We're talking about Ablativ, not Locativ.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ablative, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And now, let's dive right back into concentious subjects.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Pope is a child molester enabling quasi-Nazi. True or false?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obviously false, since nobody's going to seriously elect such a person as pope.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet he knows lots of those types of people, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The child molester enabling part has been proven.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you vote in the Pope elections, then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only thing in question is whether he's a quasi-Nazi.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna, can you cite anything saying the Pope diddles little boys or waves a Nazi flag?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'Well, he does certainly rule over all 200 people in the Vatican with an iron fist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the pope went so far as to claim the jews aren't responsible for jesus death, while it was a jewish clergy who was'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't confirm the revelation of the false prophet is not hte high priest of the jews though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, that's a very naive view of how leaders operate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, he once lambasted a parish for punishing one of their child molesting priests because "It made the Catholic church look bad".'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Child molester ENABLER" sounded like "Child molester"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'german lutheran protestants were the christian group who stormed the catholic vatican'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's differences among christianity, it's not all the same'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'For example, did you know that the US doesn't really follow Geneva Convention as much as you think it probably does?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, like that's a surprise to anyone'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm shocked and appalled. Shocked and appalled, I tell you!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we fully follow geneva convention unless and until we're caught...then there's an investigation, and who authorized that!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this is true of every country, though, not just the US'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west's approach to the geneva convention is "do as we say, not as we do"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. has enshrined it into law, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Patriot Act, anyone?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'send your ass to gitmo!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the geneva convention outlawed the patriot act?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil doers!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're far beyond that, Yuna.  The public is always woefully mis-/underinformed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More like the Patriot Act circumvents the Geneva Convention.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriot act is just one example of supremely dodgy stuff Obama has put through'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gitmo has a soccer field and cable tv now btw.....thanks to a $71 million upgrade this year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because Obama totally TRAVELLED BACK IN TIME.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'The patriot act affects US citizens, the geneva convention affects pows, so...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama wasn't even a Senator in 2001.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't pin it on Obama, Tiger.  Granted, Obama did make his own tweaks to it but it was originated by Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should not have signed it, period'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither should he have shoved through the NDAA'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and even then the activities it defined stretched all the way back to at least Carter if not all the way to FDR and beyond.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's the thing that allows for Gitmo to actually exist?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the original patriot act had a time limit...a new one had to be signed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'patriot act was signed in under bush, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should have been repealed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i agree. '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not the current one'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'obama extended it, nods'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet i could extract more information through a terrorist with common sense than with torture, myself would give them all false information dying to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not just extension, there were upgrades.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they never trusted their enemy in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, yeah, use common sense on the terrorist, I'm sure that'll work'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a few years gitmo will be a state of the art supermax camp for evil doers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but of course the government i'd be working for would be their untrusted enemy, so it wouldn't matter however i tried - and that's something they never will learn'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably for US citizens'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( of course we have to take the word of the interrogators that they are actually interrogating terrorists... )
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or for british citizens :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'government's shouldn't break their word unless they have a pretty valid justification for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it's the 4th of July, here's a quote from Mr Franklin for you'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chemosh, did you read The Prince recently?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger quoting franklin?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is indeed'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's what I was thinking, abe :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of donkeys.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Poor Richard also essentially said that if you couldn't keep hold of something then it was perfectly alright for someone to jack you for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never read it, good book?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chemosh, it'd probably help you a lot in your understanding of world affairs :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Prince is American novel published in 2005 written by Francine Rivers. It is the third novel in the Sons of Encouragement series, and tells the tale of the biblical character of Jonathan, the son of Saul the King in the Old Testament.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll check it out'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wrong "the prince"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shows like dr.quin medicine woman and the mounty show me the kind of system i wouldn't mind living under in the west'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'machiavelli's was the one I was referring to...in it he mentions something about having a very good reason before breaking your word'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course that's ancient history and the misconception of honest government'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that and the fact that they're fake...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The only difference between now and 'back then' is the filter of fiction.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, believing things once were better, at some point in time they must have been though'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The government is as good or as evil as it needs to be to tell a decent story.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you have to have life before you can have death'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those two shows are to the Wild West what NCIS and CSI are to criminal investigation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, got it open in web browser, i'll bookmark it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally I think that things when wrong when people felt the need to be governed. Personally, I detest the idea of having a master.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'same here, no single person should exercise control over many'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I understand and accept the idea of a structured society. I do, however, oppose the idea that an elected official (who claims to be a servant of the people while campaigning for office) becomes more equal than I  in a society of equals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all animals are equal...some are more equal than others'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so much for the seven rules'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, if money is wealth instead of work and people's verification'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'without money you wouldn't have as much of a problem probably'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that fallacy seems to permeate "democratic" governments. At least with dictatorships there is no doubt about one's position.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how an ancient south american culture conquered their territory'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think, they used their heads, not their money'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, romney and sanitorum or another had that happen there, one governor of the usa opposed the bill that allowed unlimited external sponsoring of politicians, but one dropped out of the republican campaign cause they ran out of money'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's equal about having your success based on material wealth, which is governed by force paid for by the taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'absolutely nothing'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, open evil is something i considered superior and desireable to refute people's confusion over why they think the good government does evil'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to know who i'm dealing with'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'finding them out's a evil and undesireable task'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think you're dealing with?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that varies from time to time'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think it is that so many people appear oblivious to the loss of rights and freedoms they and their forebears once had?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'probably because we have rediculous freedoms they didn't?  Just try to get from new york to LA on a redeye in 1777'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really revelent, you could mnake the journey, just took a while'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'brainwashed, hopeless, mindless'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're willing to reproduce to provide soldiers to fight at the shepherds target'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and women for stalin's grain'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, what they're really acceptable about is beyond me though, maybe they understand something i don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how deep do you think the rabbit hole will be?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen the end of humanity's current trends as unavoidable death'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people are willing to give up their  degrees of freedom because they have never internalized said degrees. If, for instance, you tell the citizen that he no longer can cross an intersection diagonally it wouldn't bother him in the least because he had no feel for what it meant to do that to begin with. For the few taht did cross the intersection diagonally, they will bow to the new rule because they are the "minority" and therefore out of line with the public policy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nasa does too though, theirs is a drowned world'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that analogy sounds much like the cooking frogs one, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unavoidable with the current leaders* not if things structurally change at the top'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they seem to be invincible mostly, though i seen that they try to install some changes now'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they probably see that too'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a fact, nevertheless. If people exercised their constitutional "rights", the leadership would discard the "democracy" for an autocracy in an instant. The only thing that makes a democracy work is a docility. '
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't a system based on constitutional rights be defined a democracy in it's originally intended form?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i understand what you say, they'd have to come out full force against it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'democracies claim that their citizens have the right to oppose the government, but we all know what heppens when said citizens exercise that right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's happening even today with the heavy-handed police tactics in Philadelphia'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there's more of us than them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'times like that you have the huge bonus of being an armed nation'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah anaristos, i was saying that earlier in not those terms'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'diplomacy is an illusion'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they shut down the threat and make an excuse after, for the mindless'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, though Posse Comitatus prohibits the government from using the armed forces to enforce their rule, there is no such prohibition in the use of state militias, which amount to the same thing. So, if you actively oppose the government, they just send the troops after you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'IF they ahve to, and as a message for those who thought to resist them'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, that sounds like the "pull some shit, then try and pass a law to legalise it, then pretend it was legal all along"'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the monitorring/recording of internet traffic and phones/texts'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Im having a hard time following this, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If enough citizens oppose the government, they can simply vote them out of office'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Or am I mistaken?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're mistaken, quad'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Oh thanks for clearing that up'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, you can vote them out of office, but that problem is not with the body in office, but the office itself.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can vote individuals out of office by voting someone else into office...you can't vote out the government, however...'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada and the USA signed a agreement in 2005 or so that allows eachothers military (or maybe blackwater/xe's) to cross eachother's border and quell civilian uprisings'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ahh, so you think all politicians are equiv. then'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'posse comitatus no longer relvant'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck a doodle doo, someone gets it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank god'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If that's the case, you made the wrong choices in life'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you should have put yourself in a position of more power'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But its easy to whine about it, isnt it? :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once you empower a government you are S.O.L.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are putting themselves on the line because they are doing something about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people are dying as a result'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No, I mean you should have put yourself IN government'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but thanks for belittling their sacrifice, quadf'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Then you'd have the power you are complaining about'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure their families appreciate it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Wait what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have noticed that politics is a bit corrupt around the edges'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'over 8 million died in world war 2, and they might have been fighting for their enemy - they had military drafters in the west foresure'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'It's corrupt through and through... but no one's dying because of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Not directly'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only way to really oppose a government is by the willingness to die for your cause. The government counts on implied (and sometimes explicit) threads to hold on to power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And my point is, if you think its so corrupt, why aren't you first in line to sign up?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'threats*'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dying for what you believe in's an honorable thing to do'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its also pretty stupid'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you need to speak to anaristos, i'm too tired to go over it again'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about honorable. It is certainly a choice ( a rather selfish one, analysis will show :))'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There are many many ways to influence the government here'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You can start a company that can throw its weight around with $$'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You can join the government and become a player inside of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people die for their causes for the same reason people self-terminate because their suffering from an incurable disease. They don't want to live under the present conditions.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You can work for the media and try to shine light on the things you think need it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psst, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would assume an honest media :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Or you can sit on aardwolf and whine about how corrupt things are :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depends how sentient the threat you project is anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a comedian on our hands'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My point is YOU can make it an honest media if you join it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the truth media is becoming very popular, quad'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're somewhat behind the curve'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I guess so :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that can only be guaranteed if you are the first to join :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Have you ever heard of the Pulitzer prize?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, right a non-biased award, I am sure.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'WTF are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its the prize that was awarded to Woodward for his investigation into Watergate'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pulitzer prize, something to do with being the fourth of fifth media company to break a huge story'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its the prize many people get for revealing atrocities abroad'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No, its about good journalism'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like them suicide bombers in the middle east, they're told america is the devil (?) and maybe their family gets some money , which they can't otherwise receive (?) and maybe they lost their family to a evil death (?) and - the presumption, maybe allah told them to do it, cause the cleric said'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you say "Pulitzer Price" as if that grants a certificate of authenticity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Okay, so you're clueless'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm going back to enjoing my 4th of july'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You continue to whine and do nothing productive :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus waves happily.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you continue to whine about my whine, so we are even :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he must've been sniffing Yuna's crotch'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Better than Ron/Rand Paul's :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american military bases are still installed on japan, and whoring japanese people has been their sport for over 5 decades'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sniffing crotches was Ron Paul's job'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in a manner of speaking)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i could tell'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had a good reason for their kamikazee'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i heard a survivor of underwater kamikazee said he wishes it hadn't misfired'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As far as I can see either Paul would be a massive improvement as president'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tinada!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the most improvement would come from vacating the office :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun with your celebrations, one might hope you read your constitution to perhaps learn what it says'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"The guy with the most money wins", I think?'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaking as someone from a country that doesn't have one, you should cherish it'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make your money and hide it before the govt takes it away to fund a $700 billion a year defense budget!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember, if you lack the right combination of background and ability to seize power, stfu and listen to your superiors!'
T3/r7/2012-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... via scheppele on krugman's blog, romanian democracy threatened...'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'which is a better comedian. walliams or lucas?'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Obama is up to it again'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like he's trying to sign USA up to a UN arms treaty, without congress approval, that would require compulsory gun registration in violation of the second ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'congressional approvl? who needs it'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'get with the times brah'
T3/r7/2012-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the explicit total limit is 400.'
T3/r7/2012-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Merck knowingly faked Mumps vaccine efficacy tests, new report shows'
T3/r7/2012-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news flash! MD gets 10yrs in prison for giving a 75yr old almost-blind patient back his eyesight!'
T3/r7/2012-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That Panetta guy is a joke'
T3/r7/2012-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michele Leonhart is a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GlaxoSmithKline faces $3bn penalty after pleading guilty to the biggest health fraud case in corporate history'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, at the start of the cold war, america had two intelligence services with diametric political allegiances'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Loftus is an interesting guy'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now that god has been found, and turned out to just be a particle instead of a supernatural being, does this mean all religious institutions will disband?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Church of the Higgs-Boson ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No need for a church, "god" is everywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Higgs-Boson is not everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The whole point of the Higgs-Boson is that it is a field that surrounds everything and every where.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh? Did I misunderstand the higgs field thingie?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'naming a particle after some hack Higgs - tsk'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concept of "God" is usually associated with "unigueness" and "oneness" -- if lots of those special particles are found, that does not seem " oneness unique", unless they are all the one and same'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Cern collider wastes er uses a lot of electricity'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe <--- there's your "oneness".'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, Wikipedia is into Science-fiction as Science'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Richard Feynman was the man.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are lots of reference to his idea, I just grabbed the closest one. It's just a wacky theory of his, but it's something one of the greatest minds of the past 100 years spent time thinking about.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, it seems the name that lederman wanted to give was goddamn particle, but his editor didn't allow that...'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'imho, Zade is one of the greatest minds of the past 14,000,000,000 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I don't have enough evidence to support or disprove that claim. So I'll take it under consideration.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marxist/leninist islamic communism totalitarian dictatorship strategy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZqdtDic000 what do you think?  ' The origins of terror ''
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't sound like an irrational and uninformed liar to me, considerable stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar they call him antisemitic though, so i guess he's controversial'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but in that video anyways he makes some considerable observations, complete with quote's from marx and lenin'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they actually say on a video that several large international corporation's went to the discovery channel headquarters and demanded that they don't show an episode exposing the compromisability of the rfid chip, according to the interview with what looks like one of them on youtube'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're trying to normalize human implants, using a new mexican missing cat as an example, it was found 9 months later in chicago thanks to the amazing technology'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they also installed one in the arm of the female costar in one episode'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rfids put too much killing ability into the arsenal of murderous corporations and killer governments'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is what marxist-leninism is all about'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media itself is so communist that it didn't even ask why the signal wasn't picked up for 9 months'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rfid cat story was a contrived publicity stunt'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're using it in some places to reason with people why they should get them installed in their children i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'install as child, remove as adult'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're getting babies fingerprinted in some places now, under the disguise of locating missing children - while that may actually be their purpose, it seems to have negative cannotations'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'install as baby, remove as teenager'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rfids permit killer robots to hunt and exterminate targets'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'SoDAMM is developing those as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also exported to a few us institutions'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15893772'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'DoDAMM it's called, my wrong south korea i misremembered the acronym'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the hunter robot kills or infects, the scene or happenstance looks like an accident at most'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'computer glitches of mass destruction'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you ever seen the movie maximum overdrive?  it's better than terminator i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'want to get rid of a political opponent -- infect them with a debilitating noncontageous disease or poison'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'flesh-eating dieaseses '
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'DoDAAM*'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, compromised electronics in a automated military world'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'flesh-eating diseases may be a weapon of choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'How To Brainwash A Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk possible interview with an actual kgb agent discussing strategy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_5EYicHh8 and a islamic turk talking about marxist-leninism and terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the turk's a controversial person, but considered with the other video they make a food for thought'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'contract killing may becomes more popular when rfids may be used to detect targets, detect and avoid bystanders, kill witnesses'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me anyways, i can't confirm they're telling the truth or not absolutely fabricated/disinformation though, the government of the 1930's might be the government of today'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope not, but hope doesn't really matter if the opposite is true'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah rfid's can be used for things like silencing political opponents, like they report being done on bbc news in russia.. and the police abusing hundreds of thousands of ukrainians per year'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unsubstatiated wild conjectures discredit a demagogue as a nutjob to be ignored'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bbc claimed that up to 80% of all drug convictions in russia are the cops planting evidence on no real criminal'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'substantiated by the news and your opinion on it too?  that's alright'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amnesty international's maybe full of it too'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that just seems how things will eventually be applicated'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the unsubstantied wild conjecture that "the government of the 1930's might be the government of today" -- ych'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if they're behind what they're saying in the video's and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so stalinism just disappeared from russia in 1991 maybe, when a kgb agent became it's president'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, it's possible but not definite'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's if the info on the wiki is correct, for dresden and him, claims he served there from 1985-1990'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh is debating again Communism/Stalinism/Marxism/Socialism for no reason again? Must be another [insert any day of the week here].'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no reason is possibly in control of your nation'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like holodomor/great purge/dekulakization aren't big enough deals to consider things about'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems unable to tell the differences between a communist and a capitalist government in the same country -- conjectures they may be the same -- tsk'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have free schooling, free health care and my country's among one of the countries which suffered the LEAST from the recession. I'm sure unhappy living in a country whose politics are partially run on socialistic principles.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communist nations use money to acheive power, capitalists aren't much different'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did 1% of kulaks own 85% of national wealth?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and which yet unstated country is Yuna attempting to praise'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it a little less communist?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Finger me Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sweden is not part of this discussion'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh JUST said that socialists are running my country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yes, it is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is residing in socialist Canada'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, we have a history.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's villified my home country for its socialist principles before.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because anything NOT right-wing is automatically evil, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free' - wolfgang von goethe'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yuna's probably one of the kgb officers in her country'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they have nothing but good things to say about 'dear leader' north korea'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'any north koreans on to answer that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and marxist-leninist kgb's the enemy of leftists'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obviously, we have the KGB in Sweden. Also, I still have a penis.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you keep on praising your leftistness views of stalinism'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the KGB operate in North Korea?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they have a museum filled with gifts from stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They also have a museum dedicated to a basketball. And?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, never mind the fact that the KGB was dissolved 23 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and dissolved intelligence agency's becoming presidents shows the reality of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media black - tears spanish and argentinan political opponent adoption victims, but not the german stasi's'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that was one of the kgb spawns in russia, aljazeera claims that after it's dissolution in 1991 it retired like the kgb into the administration of germany'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'germany*'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not making sense again. Seriously, that's not proper English. I have no clue what you're even attempting to say.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just obviously corrupt, no sense at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is babbling slightly incoherent -- likely inebriated'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stasi education chief's live in Chile today receiving germany pension and praising the actions of the stasi that shot people trying to flee to the other side of germany in the cold war'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes, all countries run by politicians who aren't right-wing are evil, yaddi yaddi yadda.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their various torture dungeons and sex slaves and imagination knows how many mass-murders'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but uzbekistan and ukraine 'the capitalist' currently are showing some information to extrapolate the unhinged numbers from, though not much comes from them anymore'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna, that looks like a support quote from you'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '... but the statisical chi-squared test indicators are subversly attempting a belated return to the median juxtaposition with a high fog-index extrapolating nonsense to new wordier directions of tenuous obfuscation'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, almost unhinged'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communist scum is the spawn of satan'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '/the end/'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'socialists are not communists'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communists are not socialists'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade, the "Yaddi yaddi yadda" makes it clear I was being sarcastic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'drop the "yadda yadda yadda" (perhaps indicating impatience with Chemosh for repeating "obvious wondrous dogma"), and the quote is Yuna support for Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yes, Zade. The "Yaddi yaddi yadda" was tacked on to make it clear it was SARCASM.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of that is too Canadian French for you to understand?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That statement would only look like it was in support of Chemosh if you had do not know how sarcasm or "yaddi yaddi yadda" works or if you only partially read that statement (skipping the last 3 words).'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is your point, really?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(as a grasshoper) never use reverse sarcasm in a debate -- what was said reversely may be taken as positive support (-- xchan)'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By IDIOTS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also... "reverse sarcasm"? What part of that was "reverse" anything? It was blatant and direct sarcasm.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by Stephen Colbert'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either a troll or you need help.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or possibly, English is your 29th language.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(near) perfect English as the 29th language -- i be so lucky and educated'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're either trolling or need mental help, then? Duly noted.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Possibly both.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you resort to personal attacks, you are obviously losing the debate '
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What debate? The debate of whether or not my correct English is correct?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not really a debate when you ADMIT that one has to OMIT parts of my statement for you to be right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the debating style by Yuna was/is seriously flawed'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not flawed because it's possible for idiots to misinterpret my style.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'supporters of Chemosh are likely to view the "yada yada yada" as impatience, and are likely to remove the "yada yada yada" to improve the context -- perhaps Yuna is an unwitting grasshopper disciple of Chemosh - freudian slips et cetera'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "Yes, yes" was an indicator of sarcasm. The "Yaddi yaddi yadda" clinched.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'little grasshopper requires to learn patience and more respect for the great masters'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, you'd have to either be stupid, omit words or willfully misreading my statement to read it as a statement of support. ESPECIALLY considering what I'd JUST argued.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like arguing against the average toddler... or Sarah Palin. Not that there's much of a difference.'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(recanting after impatiently confessing support for the opinions Chemosh-- disallowed)  xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(recanting after impatiently confessing support for the opinions of Chemosh -- disallowed)  xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you should quit acting like i'm part of your government and you're rebelling against being my cult of personality and focus on the non-soviet subject matter, you bunch of marxist zombies'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'has this channel degenerated into personal attacks again?'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smell of elderberries!'
T3/r7/2012-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Read about it last year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'whats the points of having awesome set of lvl 1 eq if every mob is easy at that lvl?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to pk people'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh....so i've been wasting my time collecting lvl 1 gear'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lvl 1 aard gear'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, yuna's double will be paid for by a tax on your regular xp of 75% for the proceeding 50 minutse'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll give Umari a try then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I need to stop mischanning debate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'figures show real-terms gdp growth in America has been negative for 9 of the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Monsanto is launching a massive lobbying campaign to prevent the labelling of GMO in food products'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Monsanto are evil. What else is new?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new? nothing, they have their tendrils in the american government which is how they can get away with stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, how is that new?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing citizens can do is campaign at a state level to get labelling'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then watch Obama's cronies threaten them with embargo's and air strikes'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which is exactly what happened to Texas, and similar abuses of power and threats going on to Arizona atm)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why are people surprised so many U.S. politicians are bought and paid for by corporate interests? Citizen United passed, for crying out loud!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised, no, but also not happy about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because something isn't secret doesn't make it right, or pallatable'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The solution would be to not re-elect corrupt politicians. Too bad the common man is too stupid/indifferent to even try.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the current system that won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are mechanisms in the USA which means it might be possible to get around the system, but here in the UK we're pretty stuffed. It's revolution or nothing'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, a politician was given a free trip a year or two ago in his capacity as a travel guide writer or whatever he does in his spare time and we had this huge blow-up about how it might constitute bribery and shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Two ministers had to leave the cabinet within 2 weeks of the cabinet forming because both of them had once upon a time employed cleaning ladies under the table and one of them had additionally not paid her public service tax for some time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'frankly amateurish corruption there'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have leaders that go on wars on deliberately faked evidence to line the pockets of the industrial complex'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you create a political environment where even the SLIGHEST HINT of corruption results in politicians being ousted, they won't dare to go for "big time" corruption.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I'm saying is: Its not impossible. It just requires a whole lot of effor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the larger the population base, the harder it gets'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna was discredited as a debater by adding the term "and shit" -- (the foul language is indicative that Yuna may believe "bribery" is okay)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me i'd rip up our whole parliamentary system, and have county-level democracies'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that education and general intelligence is slightly lower on average in the U.S. than in Sweden might also have to do something with it. I'm not saying you're all stupid. But the U.S. seems to have an abnormally large percentage of stupid people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the country-level parliament having policy setting power over war and certain other pan-county issues'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'having free education means more people will be able to get educated'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Direct democracy does not work. Switzerland didn't have nationwide suffrage until the 1990's, I think, due to it being a direct democract.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'education has little to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It wasn't 'til 1990 before the last canton in Switzerland finally gave women the right to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not only do we have free education on all levels (except in private schools, for reasons which are obvious), we have MANDATORY primary education (1-9).'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and no home schooling'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And home schooling is not allowed. Which means that like it or not, your kids are required to go to school for AT LEAST 9 years.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home schooling should be a right'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So even out high school drop-outs are pretty not-stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you saw the state of some the schools here, you wouldn't be asking 'why''
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you're actually teaching your kids what the government requires them to be taught, then it makes no difference if it's in school or at home.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'if you're not, that's a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having seen some of the footage from American schools, it doesn't surprise me many americans would want to home-teach their kids, either'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But in Sweden, out schools are pretty darn good.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to a government to 'require' what is to be taugh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even if some of our more ghetto-ish schools have dismal levels of English proficiency.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be there to advise'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's thinking like that that cranks out stupid kids who end up voting for corrupt politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'who should decide what schools are mandated to teach if not the government? McDonalds?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there never used to be an issue when small communities provided their own schools, so had a vested interest in it providing good education'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents should, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the parents are unfit parents, the kid will end up learning jack shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the same reason, government should be mandated to dictate to you what you eat, think, read, or watch'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they will be screwed pretty much for life unless they take several years of remedial education so they can survive High School and/or College.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting all home schooled kids get an inadqeuate education?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'most of them probably do'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. Is English your 9th language?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even most of them don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of them have a far superior education'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '[[[[IF]]]] the parents are unfit parents'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So OF COURSE the government needs to have strict guidelines of what a child should be taught if it is home schooled.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so because some parents are unfit, the rest of parents must be screwed over and have their rights removed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if that is true, your country is broken'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Whatever the parents feel like" is just stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the heck are you supposed to monitor if a child is getting an adequate education, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually that's done by some form of testing'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pisa tests?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a rule at 6, 11, 14, and 16'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'varies from country to country'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'varies in efficacy'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, that's several years between each test.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what's the point of home schooling, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and those test are only samples of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, if the kids get an adequate education at home, why not do it at school? Why do it at home?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, standardized tests are not that good at judging language proficiency, among other things.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would home school if you were not confident or happy with the quality of the schools on offer'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then enroll your kid in another school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the point of home schooling'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'to keep your child from developing social skills perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or campaign for the school kid is stuck in to get better teachers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or if your religion prevented you from having contact with normal people?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now you're saying you have to send your kid to a shit school and while they're suffering there, campaign for it to become better'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Move" was too hard for you to understand?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or maybe uproot your family, quit your job and move 100 miles to maybe get a different school that might be just as bad'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you deliberately only reading part of my posts?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what you do to my comments'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'School districts where you live are 100 miles large?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if you have a job you won't have time to home school your kid anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Ranrr said.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they often are in the USA, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No they aren't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you don't have the option of choosing your school'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what, rural Texas?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Get a shitty school? Recognise the importance of living in an area with lots of schools - market forces apply better there than in monopolistic environments'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Rural schools can be shit, and there's nowhere for people to go instead, so they stay shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What possible non-rural areas have 100-mile wide school districts?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole world is not urban, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People who live in rural areas are generally not well-educated so the education they give their kids in home schooling would be shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '94% of the planet is rural'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a cycle of shit. Parents get shit education, gives kids shit education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, now peopel from rural areas are not well educated?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In my experience the odds are lower for rural populations.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because their schools aren't that good. And since they never moved, they got their education from said bad schools.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's amusing that the rural population think a similar thing about people from cities'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around here for decades such people have been called "idiot townies"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if they home school their kids, they'll be regurgitating the same bad schooling to their kids. In a never-ending cycle of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And to get to a education level were you can provide a decent education for a kid, you need to go to a university. '
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where are the universities? '
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far, in response to the home schooling question, apart from a valid point about the difficulty in picking up certain social skills, all we've heard is a bunch of vague ideological waffling'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Home schooling was the start of this, was it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not ALL rural "folk" are stupid. But if they went to shit schools, chances are, the education they'll be able to give their own kids in home schooling will be sub-par.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, if that's the case, ask yourself what the importance of multi-channel education is?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People who only get their knowledge from one source tend to be fundie nutjobs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, Tigernuts, WHY do you need home schooling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as we're finding in modern societies with the "media"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOUR only good argument has been "Sometimes, schools are shit"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Parents should not be the teacher as well - it's EXACTLY like the media'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try 'more often than not''
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And you need to be well over average IQ and education to provide a full rounded education for a child. There is a reason there are different teachers for different topics.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Texas, (fundie nutjob) christians decide what schoolbooks are to be approved of in Texas and thus influence the schoolbook choices of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the common man can provide a better education?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people, given a decent school, will choose to have their kids educated there, but it should be a right of a properly kitted out parent to be able to school their own kids'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted there should be some checks and balances, but it should be their right'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, it shouldn't. Because again, mutli channel education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'multi*'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If youre not happy with what your kid's school is teaching them. Move. Or move your kid. Protest. Write to your congressman. And/Or provide supplementary education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks to your multi channel education'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What matters is the rights of the kid, not the parent. It should be the right of any child to get a proper education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about asking permission to have your child educated correctly'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, you are free to educate your child when they are at home.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't need permission to bring your child up correctly'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, Tigernuts, you accuse us of ideological bullshit while you're just as guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I question the validity of the average parent's views, tbh.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Oftentimes than not, schools are shit. Therefore, home schooling should be a right."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home schooling should be a right even if schools were not sh it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For one thing, how good schools are depends greatly on waht country you're from or even what part of a country you're from. For another, a parent's ability to home school is also highly individual.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHY?!?!?!??!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the school system can give your kid a good education, WHY should home schooling still be a right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Swedish school system degenerated to the same bad level as the USA school system, Yuna 'd likely not be so eager to exclude home-schooling as a choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no law in existence that prevents parents from giving their kids SUPPLEMENTARY education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should you have rights? well clearly you don't want any, but just because you don't want any rights or freedoms, don't act as a barrier preventing the rest of us having them'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they wish to teach them ADDITIONAL things that the school system doesn't teach them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why bollocks to multi channel education? It is a perfectly valid reason for not wanting either source a voice in the child's development.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how selfish are you, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How selfish are YOU?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'words, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't you want kids to have rights? Only parents?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Home schooling is not about the kid. It's about the PARENT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're on the internet, all we have are words...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The parents want to decide what their kid should and should not learn.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a parents right there should trump a governments right'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Any child who loses either one of parental or schooling education is going to be worse off for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade: I never said home schooling should be illegal everywhere. I'm saying: In a country where the school system is sufficient, why should home schooling be a right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the kids right should trump the parents.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it shouldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also correct, ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No matter how bad the school, they will get a better education from BOTH than simply one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The parent can teach the kid WHATEVER they want... as long as the school system also gets to teach them the necessary requirements to function in society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Think the school is shit? Why. Give me reasons, not half arsed argumentative bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, you can home school your kid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'my last 4 years in college was a joke. i didn't write anything up, i had to really study only for 1 subject. i think im dumber now.. cause practicing guitar scales makes you stupider!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just not allowed to keep him from getting a government education as well.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Again, if the schooling system is broken, the solution is not for everyone to home school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Yuna.  there is the law of economics, the law of bullying, the law of street gangs, the law of bad schools, the law of bad influences, the law of peer pressure, the law of drug addictions'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government run education has a tendancy to degrade, it brings up slightly the prospects of the dullest while dumbing down the best'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why in the U.S., there exists a 16 yearold with a fundie talk show preaching about why gay people are evil and tearing up the fabric of society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most parents would not be able to provide something close to a decent education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you saw grammar schools banned by law here'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, government education is targetted at the average student.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Idiot home schoolers being allowed to selfishly indoctrinate their kids with whatever they wish while the government has no say in it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some might, but they probably don't have the time for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If your child happens to be above average, you supplement the average education at home.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, the USA is a multicultural "war-zone", unlike the mostly "all white" Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I believe most people home school because they are religious nuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All-white my penis.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But again, I would call into question any parent who felt they could teach better than someone who has trained for YEARS to do that same task.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna's ideology is such that the government to legislate to make everyone identical'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only 90% of all Swedes are at least 3 generation Swedes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what I am? Asian.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deviations from the standard model WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was born in Vietnam to two Vietnamese parents.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'YOU WILL SUBMIT! HEIL HITLER!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Godwin. Right there, you all saw it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you nuts, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Godwin ftw'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody said deviation is not tolerated.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have well over average IQ and education, and I am sure I would do a worse job than a real teacher. '
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are FREE to teach your kids to "deviate".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They just need the STANDARD tools first.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which the schools will provide them. The parents can then teach them whatever they want.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your whole argument is based upon the government being the ultimate arbiter of what is and isn't a normal or necessary education and that home schooling cannot possibly provide anything equivalent or better'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and essentially because some parents aren't up to the job, no one should be allowed to use it as an alternative'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I could teach my children the sum total of my field better than any primary or high school teacher, yes. However, what about all the other fields? Tell me you are educated enough in all of them to be a valid source of knowledge for your offspring, and I'll call you a liar.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, my argument is: Why is home schooling necessary?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no matter how you might want to dress it up, that is your view on it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've told you why home schooling is necessary'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Some schools are shit".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you came out with some utter guff about moving'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, I raise you "Most parents are unfit to be teachers".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'most teachers are unfit too'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have a modest proposal... why not go further than mere home schooling? If parents wish to withdraw their children from society, and send them to "camps" in the middle of the desert for "academic" training far from external controls, and where no one can see what they are doing, is it not their right to do so? What does it matter if they should choose to teach them gunnery, or explosives making? These are healthy and productive activities after all...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortunately, if the low-iq foreigners are discouraged from residing Sweden, then Sweden is unlikely to degenerate to the level of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in the situation of wanting to educate my kids, i'd find some similar-minded people and set up a small-scale free school'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is essentially a communal form of home schooling'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, that's where the "How about you stop whining about unimportant shit like gays wanting to get married and petition your congressmen to better the school system" argument comes in.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, shock horror, is how many village schools staretd'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'ALL homeschooling should only ever be exclusive (i.e. without campus based schooling) when there is a direct and unavoidable reason for it - like a violent or otherwise mentally disabled child unable to leave home or be amongst others.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Private/"free" schools are government regulated in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Tigernuts, these 'similar minded people' are how we get cults.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're free to start one, you just have to adhere to our educational standards of what can and cannot be taught to kids in school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is incapable of delivery decent education, that's pretty much established fact given how standards have declined over the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, shock, our free/private schools are pretty good because ofi t!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You speak as if the standards have declined globally.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again with the single source of education - to create a critically thinking person able to operate based on a body of knowledge, which is the goal of all true educators, you MUST have them taught by different sources.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they're freeing up free schools from syllabus and testing, yuna, completely against the wishes and votes of the liberals and left'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aussie standards are world class, and climbing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'idealistic, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Your government may be, because us politicians are bought and sold by corporations, and are more interested in wars than schools'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'yes, Tigernuts, and? Are you saying the world is better off for that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'australian education system is in complete shambles'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Syllabi exist for good reason.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ideals are there for a reason - to aspire to. Not ignore because it's too hard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why does that hold true in education, but not in everything else, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who says it doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Teach your kids whatever you want" results in uneducated drivel who end up turning to a life of crime, or worse, Fox News anchorism.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Fort al-suarami private school. Totally not brainwashing kids. Warning: Trespassers, including reporters and government officials shot at fence.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You're wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Care to continue?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, Syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, so Syria is in a shitty place - doesn't mean there isn't an ideal Syria people are fighting with blood or words to achieve.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about what the Syrian people do, it's what the West does'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think it's pretty clear that Tigernuts just wants parents to be able to indoctrinate their kids however they see fit without the interference of pesky outsiders, such as peers, teachers or syllabi.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's 'ideals''
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's basically arguing for Western-minded "Fort al'suarami"'s.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Summoner Yuna, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm arguing against the "El Presidente knows best"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it's rather clear from all the problems in the world that they do not'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know best? What about Joe Blow next door - does he know best?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'debate EXCEPT YOU AREN'T.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find that's the whole point'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How many kids are taught the best under your system? Guaranteed less than are now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"public schooling - worst system ever! Except for just about everything else."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Government schools is NOT "El presidente knows best", it's "El presidente thinks your kisd need this stuff. You can add whatever else you want to teach them."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Public schooling does NOT prevent parents from providing their kids with additional education. Home schooling EXCLUDES all education BESIDES home schooling (unless the kid seeks out additional education themselves).'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOUR ideal is the exclusive one!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And last time I checked, it's not the US president that makes US laws, it's congress.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOUR ideal is the one hostile to all other form of education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'home schooling = normally passing on the parent's prejudices to the children'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Brilliant rebuttal. "You're wrong".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Schools provide a baseline. How well kids do depends on their innate intelligence coupled with their situation at home. But a kid with a shitty home is at least given an opportunity to escape that due to the second stream of education he receives - from school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress writes the laws except when Obama decrees otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Obama vetoes laws so OFTEN.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If Obama could decree, why the fuck did the budget crisis happen the way it did?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Take mandatory school away, allow dumbass hick morons to indoctrinate their children, and you end up with brainless shits who pass that on to THEIR kids.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why the fuck did Obama have to fight tooth and nail for a scaled-down version of Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USA public schooling --> passing on the prejudices, bad education, and vices, of other peers to the children'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's that any different to now, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sounds like someone wasn't taught how his own government works...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm well aware of how -my- government works, Vakieh, and about the US government, Obama employs all kinds of 'tricks' to shove things through, and has been breaking a few laws along the way'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because as it stands now, the children have a minimum of 2 sources of education. Their parents, who might very well be dumbasses, and their teacher, who has at the least passed their degree and practical assessments, and been given employment as an educator.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, TigerNUTS, you have ZERO credible rebuttals to the following argument: "Public schooling does NOT exclude home schooling. Home schooling DOES exclude public schooling."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'd say on average.. the intelligence/ability to teach of a public school teacher is better than the homeschool teacher (parents)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'therefore, on average, homeschoolers will get a worse education than in public school'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it, Yuna, why would you need to do the same thing twice?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With public schooling, you CAN have two sources of education. With home schooling, you can only have the one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again.. on average, not in every case'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's not the case in the vast majority of cases.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your goverment is a 4 tier setup, Congress, Senate, President, and Judicial.  Your laws are made by Congress, assessed by the Senate, given a final yea or nay by the president, and assessed as valid by the judicial system.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're acting as if the vast majority of home schooling parents are better than their kids' school districts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'people often get homeschooled, because their parents don't *want* other sources of education'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my government isn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Obama may suggest, but it is CONGRESS who creates all laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, if you think obama's broken laws.. some examples pls, with properly sourced information?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my country's government is a make-it-up-as-you-go-along constituional monarchy'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, at least that's the way it's supposed to work. In practice, whoever pays the most gets to decide the laws.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'UK, is it? 4 tier also. House of Commons, House of Lords (Congress, Senate), Monarchy and Judicial.  Laws still come solely from the house of commons.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military action in Libya, military action in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you argue about the U.S., no the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what action in syria? as far as i know, they've not done anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're not abreast of the news, Kraken'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, is the education system broken in the U.K.? Are there 100-mile school districts in the U.K.? Are parents generally bette teachers than teachers in the U.K.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does Obama decide what laws can pass in the U.K.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps. is it recent?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna: Yes, no not typically, and depends'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you have a president``?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody really thought the world police should be able to stay away from syria.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The state of the Queen's power should suggest something to you as to the power of the President in the US.  He is 'considered' more powerful, however his legal standing is almost as minor as the Queen's.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe the Queen has a constituional right to veto any law she dislikes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she does, and hasn't used that power'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And? Technically, she has that right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, there's an implied agreement not to use it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, she cannot be prosecuted, EVER.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right - she has the same legal rights as Obama does'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama can be.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is not above the law, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I also don't think you can impeach the Queen or remove her from "office".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if the queen ever tried to actually do something like that, then things would get changed.. fairly quickly'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the monarchy is essentially powerless, and has been for about 150-200 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'While he is sitting, he is. He must be impeached to be prosecuted. The difference is the Queen cannot be impeached.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they've got a platform to "influence", but that's about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, according to the Commonwealth's current laws, the queen holds more power (formally) than Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. but as i said. if she ever tried to use it, that would change fast.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'if she abuses them, the laws will change. But he same goes for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except "the laws will change" can be switched out with "he'll be impeached".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://larouchepac.com/node/22423'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama holsd the right to veto laws, he chooses not to for the most part. The same goes for the queen.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, Tigernuts, can you name me a single law signed by congress that Obama has vetoed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least the swedish king doesn't have veto.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yuna.. this is different.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have never mentioned or talked about Obama vetoing congress laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'obama is entitled to by the constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was talking about Obama forcing through laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Swedish kind has jackshit in term of power. He's prosecution-immune. That's it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about it using dirty tricks to get laws in'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the queen sorta is.. but it's also agreed she never will'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts.. which laws, and which tactics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Asking Tigernuts to provide proper sources for ideological word vomit? Preposterous!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, fun trivia, the swedish royal family are the only ones that don't have freedom of religion, they must be protestants by law'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oh, sorry. am i bring facts in when they're not warranted?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wow Tiger...you just linked to a fundie superpac's website'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you actually know that before I said that on Debate a few or so back, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you Swedish?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'my bad. should we go back to claiming obama's a muslim?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I am swedish, so I knew that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You understand what superpac's have done to the US political system, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a transcript from a hearing, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can even see the video on youtube if you wish'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, as far as i know, what he's saying isn't a settled question.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is a heavily editted and abridged transcript, yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is where your link loses all credibility: "Panetta replied, STILL EVASIVELY"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, yeah. larouche's not exactly an unbiased source'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is a conservative site which editorializes. A LOT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have the same internet resources as I do, go watch the clip'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Find us an unbiased source that merely reports the news, not edits and editorializes it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe if you're a citizen you can watch the whole uneditted proceedings on cspan'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna, there exists no source in the universe that does that'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do realize that most hearing transcripts are public information, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I usually mix bbc, cnn and al-jazeera for different view on the same news'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even in the biased drivel you linked, there was no mention of any illegal activity by any person. What 'dirty tricks' are you implying?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, how come we MAGICALLY drifted onto this subject once you overwhelmingly LOST your case for a right to home schooling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because it's what people do when they're losing arguements'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '1) Ooooh, shiny'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'holding votes late at night on the even of a public holiday, handing out 1000page bills 1hr before voting'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) pivot to something completely unrelated that they think will work better for them'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hiding legislation within other legislation'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you mean making legislators actually do their jobs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it's quite ludicrous how one your arguments for why there should be a right to home schooling is "I don't want my kids to only be able to be taught what El Presidents thinks is right" and then you go on a rant about Obama when YOU LIVE IN THE U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You realise it is the dems who have proposed and sponsored the one-topic per bill act, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're arguing that people in the U.S. should have right to home schooling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, remember, in the senate, they can't pass a bill within about 3 days if the minority disagrees.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I live in a country where government schooling is 3rd rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'look up cloture votes'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because it was the Republicans who tied military shit to the budget agreements.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you claiming that Obama invented the practice of tacking bills onto other bills?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think I care about what part it is?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that he's the first President to do so frequently?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - i'm not saying it's perfect in the UK.. but, 3rd rate, wtf are you smoking?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and again, Yuna, just because Obama didn't invent it, why does that make it ok? If you were to go around murdering children and everyone said it was ok, should I like it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the Democrats have apparently sponsored a bill to GET RID of that practice. EVIL Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna says we should all have shit schooling, because it's ok because the government mandated it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You call them "dirty tactics" and illegal dealings when it's not illegal at all and COMMON tactics.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From ALL sies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From ALL sides.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sides are irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except the democrats are trying to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - your solution is homeschooling? on average worse, and much, much more biased?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, you argue like an uneducated person would, with hyperbole and strawman arguments. For me, this is the best evidence anyone could have against your views on education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, kraken, i'm saying home schooling shouldn't be disallowed'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'IT'S NOT'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just not allowed to LIMIT your child to home schooling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not. it is. it's not. iti s'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you can homeschool. it's in general a bad idea, in my view, but you can'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says Vakieh, who comes from a country that has introduced a carbon tax and threatens to fine businesses $1mAUS if they claim price rises occur as a result of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What you want Tigernuts isn't home schooling, it is homeschooling with NO other schooling. Which is bad for children.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, *NOTHING* is stopping parents educating their kids more when they're not at public schol'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your opinion, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the same government mandated speed limits. Wanna drive recklessly in public? Too bad, it's illegal. Wanna drive recklessly on your 100 acre farm? Be my fucking guest.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. what tigernuts wants is indoctrination'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'kids learning to think for themselves = bad. they might actually *learn* things their parents don't want them to learn'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...threatened to fine people if they claim their prices rised under it and they actually didn't. Get your facts right before you argue with them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? how is personal indoctrination any different to government indoctrination?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Taxing bullshit works pretty well. Sweden has one of the world's lowest levels of alcholism because we have a special alcohol tax.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it, vakieh, prove the price rises were or were not as a result of carbon taxing'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'in general, governement curriculums are more accurate than the homeschooling stuff you want people to do'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Easy to do - ever studied economics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vakieh, he reads right-wing blogs/sites/newspapers and watches right-wing news outlets primarily if not exclusively for his news. He's half-baked at best.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Eco price hits suppliers, not manufacturing. The tax occurs between manufacture and supply, making it piss easy to trace'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, you're obivously having problems understanding basic 4th grade English.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'List previous costs, list costs of tax, if they don't match and you've blamed the entire rise on raised raw goods prices, bingo, fine.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With government education, you can have BOTH government indoctrination AND personal indoctrination. With home schooling, you can ONLY have personal indoctrination.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they intend to enforce this how?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have yet to even ATTEMPT to refute this point. Because even YOU realize it is irrefutable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's called the ACCC - google it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prices will go up'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not about to fight two rabid liberals at once, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad enough i have to be inflicted with one of you'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because you don't want to lose twice at the same time?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I threw that argument at you 12 times in 2 hours. You didn't touch it even once.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you buy flour for $1 a kilo, and let's say the tax is 10%. You may raise your prices to reflect the $1.10 price of flour. If you raise them to reflect a $1.20 price for flour, you will get fined.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so, you'll run away from both?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't try to get it out of it with the "I can't multi-task" argument.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yuna.. he can barely even single-task. give him a break :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know even what you were saying, yuna, some bullshit about government education being fantastic'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the best education is generally private schools. because they can pay for the best.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why you're not a credible example of why home schooling should be a right. Your English comprehension is obviously below that of a 4th grader's.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wasn't home schooled'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'public education isn't perfect. but the solution isn't to abandon it. it's to improve it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Who was talking about abandoning it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, NOBODY SAID THAT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Still waiting on an answer to why you weren't wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you were.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But YOU would make for a HORRIBLE home schooler.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you want people to jump out of it, and get homeschooled.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had to fight here just to be allowed free schools, Grammar schools are still illgal here'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want people to have the CHOICE to jump out of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're not illegal. wanna set one up.. be free to do so'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'public schools are all comprehensive.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, they are illegal'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'private schools, can do almost whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new grammar schools cannot be set up'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyhoo, this has been an enlightening insight into just how the world is as fucked up as it is, but I am going to bed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck are you talking about? Grammar schools are legal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Nice thing about private schools is depending on the state, you can even get state-funded "vouchers."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then vote the conservative party out of office, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the party isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the tories historically prefer grammar schools'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the Conservative party whose official platform includes "No new grammar schools".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the parties are homogenised these days because they all play for the swing vote'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, can't free schools function as grammar schools?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why I said historically, they're pro-grammar schools'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schools cannot be selective'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, that's a problem. Government-funded schools, however, shouldn't be allowed to run as grammar schools because where else can kids go?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'sure they can if they are privatly funded and owned'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It might interest you to know that in Sweden, free schools are free to be selective and pretty much 100% of all High Schools and Universities are selective.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is crazy, you can have selection based on finance, but not based on ability'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... no?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sources for our selection being based on finance ANYWHERE?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you just making shit up as you go now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about here, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not terribly interested in your country'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Private schools aren't operating on "selection based on finance" if they cannot be selective.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They cannot discriminate against a prospective student because another prospective student has richer parents. It's just that poor students cannot apply to said school. There's a difference.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop twisting even the most basic of facts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that distinction is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's important to THE FACTS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're pretty quick to denounce others on technicalities'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know that you have a massive problems with being factual, but I don't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? you're commonly delusional'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what part of "Free schools should be allowed to be selective based on abilities" was too Vietnamese cho may?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the U.K.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're not'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The way you want them to be?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's why they SHOULD BE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'is English your 29th langauge?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of things should be'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're not'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or does your ego allow you to selectively edit reality, too?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm saying that I'm AGREEING WITH YOU ON THIS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, well shut up then'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'is your ego so huge you cannot accept when people actaully agree with you on an issue?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That you have to argue as if the basic rules of English grammar and syntax do not function the way they function to SOMEHOW prove your opponents wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who, in their right mind, would take issue with someone arguing "Something I agree with should be legal"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must be using Duracell'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I got a government education. It provided me with many tools.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was that, "It made me a tool"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'An above-average grasp of the English language and typing is among them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, Tigernuts, where did YOU get your education?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local comprehensive'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And was it horrible?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't great'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But it was adequate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, it would be logical that a government education would give you an AVERAGE grasp of the English language and typing among them...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really adequate'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite by definition'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really a question that can be answered'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"could have been much better"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not according to Tigernuts, Abelinc. Accordin to Tigernuts, most schools (in the U.K. and U.S.) are horrible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fell victim to some serious government meddling into the education system'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'type of education is kind irrelevant lol either you want to learn it or you don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was it worse than what your parents could've done on their own?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why home schooling MUST be a right! Lest the world end! Or something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'kind of'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are your parents scholars, Tigernuts? Do they have above-average I.Q.'s? Are they learned in many subjects? Do they know what the capital city of the municipality of Svdermanland in Sweden is?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'home schooling should be a right, but it also should not be immune to standardized testing'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said that a long time ago, Abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna just hates it because government wouldn't be in your pants'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Home schooling should only be allowed if the parents first undergo rigurous training, have to adhere to syllabi and their kids subjected to standardized tests in all subjects on a 6 month basis (once each semester)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yuna, the parents don't need to be experts in every field...they only need to teach high school level'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if they fail the tests twice, their right to home schooling is revoked.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other words, home schooling should not be an inherent right, it should be a right bestowed upon the competent.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'students fail the tests twice in public education all the time...does the teacher's right to teach get revoked?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dodgy ground, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, you seem to have a pretty low opinion of what makes for a good teacher.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing that Abe, like me, has suffered a sub-par government-infested education system'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all, my schooling was to be a teacher'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not many parents know basic qm, calc, and linear algebra though...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just because someone has received a High School, diploma, it doesn't mean they make for competent teachers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think that's the problem, Yuna, just because Sweden has a great system, you think everywhere is also great?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi: not many high schoolers touch qm, calc or linear algebra'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That just means they might be able to regurgitate what they learned to their kids.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Schools are meant to teach kids more than that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we do back home! Well, some.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, it's not Rwanda or Mongolia, but for a major Western power, it's a fucking joke'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the kid is bright, they should have a shot at the best schools...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dodgy ground, Tigernuts, for requiring home schooling parents to pass some kind of tests themselves to prove themselves competent?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How HORRIBLE of me. Me and my liberal ways1'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yuna: my "opinion of what makes for a good teacher" has little to do with what teachers currently exist'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what you said. Having a competence test is all fine, but you were talking about not having rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, my country has a functioning public school system, so I may be biased here...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The solution to bad teachers it to get rid of them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's perfectly possible for someone to be home schooled by a private tutor, not a parent'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden is currently barring all teachers without a formal uni. education in teaching from teaching.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uni certificate in schooling isn't worth the paper it's written on here'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, under my proposed system, the tutor would ALSO need to be certified.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'formal uni education in teaching doesn't help you be a better teacher'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but it it's better than no formal uni education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not always true'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If a teacher is bad, the schools fire them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you can teach kindergarten or maybe even primary back home without a bachelor's.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"It's not always true" =/= "It matters"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in general, you can't be taught to be a good teacher'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure you'd need a degree for kindergarten, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not always true home schooling parents aren't religious nutbags hell-bent on making the world a Theocracy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quick, ban home schooling worldwide!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how governments work, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can be taught techniques for teaching other than "Give them the facts and have them absorb them without critical thinking".'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, getting a first or equivalent will certainly give a future teacher a good grasp of the material, for high school anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'graduating high school should give someone a good grasp of the material, isn't that what it was for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "That'd just be a High School graduate regurgitating what they've learned back to their kids" was too Canadian French pour toi, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm seeing a pattern here'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could save some typing if you just used "Ur mom"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Graduating High School =/= Being qualified to teach kids at a High School level.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It doesn't mean High School graduates can never be qualified to teach at a High School level without formal education in education. But graduation from High School does not magically grant one teaching abilities at a High School level.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In 99% of cases, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: the part that was entirely incorrect, yuna :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how exactly does graduating from High School magically make you a proficient teacher at a High School level, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'graduating high school, if the school system worked, does magically grant the graduate with the firmness of grasp of the material being taught...which was one of your and vakieh's main points'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't help my grasp of English'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, having a grasp of said material does not mean one can teach it to others even close to as well as a licensed teacher can.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, from my observations, if you don't have a level up on the material, teaching quality tends to suffer'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ability to teach is more inate than taught, licensing does nothing to change that'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'English is your 1st language, Tigernuts. You're doing something wrong if you need High School to teach you English.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think a person can learn to teach well'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're taught English to 16'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for one, you won't know where all of the stuff is leading to'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that's where my idea of licensed home schoolers come in, Abelinc. If you're qualified to home school, you have nothing to fear.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it probably helps to have a certain personality profile'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can learn to teach better, if you're willing to change'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but many people in education systems never learn to teach at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'willingness would definitely be a required characteristic'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'desire'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If a High School graduate with no further education/education in education is qualified to home school, take my proposed test.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and many people with no background in education naturally teach better than the majority of those with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, after they hire teachers, they throw them into their teaching school. Seems to work decently well'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they pass, they're free to home school 'til they prove themselves inept.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'enthusiasm'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i have been a teacher fo 7 years and i never quite got it '
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some/many of the problems in the education system here are down to goverment interference'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'if they don't, they obviously don't know how to each. Everybody wins! Except for the bad home schoolers!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, teachers get paid to further their own studies from time to time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the thing is that the darn students don't care to think your way:('
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same in the US, but it's a very flawed system'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government inferference above a certain level has an unfortunate effect on just every aspect of things they have any involvement in'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They take some time off from teaching to enroll back into teaching school to get updated on the latest in teaching and their skills. And are PAID while doing so.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the more classes you take after master's, the more you get paid, basically'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not how it works here. Here it's all about how well you teach (and also your degree, not the number of glasses, but what degree you hold. A doctorate will earn you more, obviously).'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as someone who works with people with Phd's, I can guarantee you that having one is no guarantee of teaching ability, or sadly as it seems, any form of common sense whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for Tigernuts to respond to the following argument: "Public education does not by nature exclude home schooling. Home schooling by nature excludes public education."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a better grasp of the material beyond what is taught also allows the curriculum to be expanded. Hard to say "hey, let's add QM since the students seem to be coping well with everything else" if your teachers never studied QM.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're free to provide your kid with additional education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, phds were typically never really taught to teach'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A PHD means you have a deeper grasp of a subject, not of teaching. There's no PHD in teaching.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'meh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, Tigernuts, how exactly does a public education automatically exclude home schooling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way it works in most universities is "hey, attend this two-day thing on teaching and we'll throw you at the students next week!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a phd means you have a deeper understanding of a very specific sub-sub-field'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but when educating someone at a high school level, a phd level grasp of the subject is about as meaningless as it can get'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they occupy the same time, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I agree. A phd is completely useless for general teaching'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think home schoolers school their kids for 8 hours a day?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonetheless grad students still teach better on average than undergrads who get As in that course...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they do, perhaps they don't, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I do like my daughter's science teacher this year...he'd been a physicist for the corporate world most of his life & started teaching pretty recently'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, a school usually teaches kids SOME useful things. Home schoolers don't ahve to teach them from scratch once they come home from school. They only need to teach them what they think the kid needs that the school hasn't taught the kids already.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone is teaching me qm in high school , it would be preferable for a phd to do so, as opposed to bachelor's'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd disagree with that in most cases, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's blatantly obvious you think home schooling should be a right not because it's important for parents to be able to teach their kids what they want but because you want parents to decide what their kids CAN'T be taught.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Just a shame the argument you're trying to force me on is a pointless one. You're saying that public schooling doesn't exclude home schooling, but home schooling excludes public schooling. The second part is largely true, the first part only holds for asmuch as home schooling is used as supplementive'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because public schools can teach children things the parents would rather they not be taught.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a mere bachelor's might have gotten an A in QM and knows it reasonably well, but the PhD would probably actually have used it, and would be familiar with the subtleties and common errors.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were using home schooling as a wholescale alternative to public schooling, then they are mutually exclusive by design and by implementation'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially selecting between two product types at that point'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, if your kid is getting a public education, you don't have to teach him or her from scratch.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's subjective'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Once he or she gets home, you only have to teach them what you think the school didn't already teach them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whether or not murder is OK is subjective, what's your fucking point?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why public schooling is essential. Who CARES what very SUBJECTIVE parents think?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reasons for home schooling someone might, and quite often do, extend beyond syllabus coverage'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If some fucktard parents don't think their kids need maths to survive, is it OK for them to withhold maths from their kids' home schooling?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no. yuna. What if a government says teh same thing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except you can totall do that when your kid gets a public education!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What government does that, you idiot?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, let's keep the personal attacks out, kthx'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your government decides to teach Creationism instead of Darwinism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what part of "If the government doesn't teach your kisd what you want it to teach, teach it to them with supplementary education yourself" was too Swedish fvr dig the first 19 times I said it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your government used schools to selectively teach history and propogandise?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, they definitely do that'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If your kid gets a public education and you think they're not teaching your kid enough, teach them what you think they're missing. If a kid is getting home schooling only, the government cannot provide them with additional schooling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, if the teachers have a level further on the course's material, it's going to be easier to field questions. Much better for the brighter students too, since the teacher can take them further.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your school was ill treating your kids, allowing bullying, or had teachers that turned blind eyes to padeophilia?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, if you're unhappy with what the public school system is teaching your kids, feel free to fill in the blanks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your school was shooting your kids up with vaccines against their knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THEN YOU SUE  THEM.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late, it's done'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your arguments aren't without merit, but are solely focused on syllabus'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if I am President Obama in disguise? WHO CARES for your nutbag conspiracy theories?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if your school was filled with thieves and druggies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who in their right mind would use "What if schools are shooting your kids up with vaccines against their knowledge?" as an argument in a debate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then fucking MOVE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people think it important'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you live in a bad neighbourhood, MOVE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't Sweden, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not doing so can only be attributed to SELFISHNESS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'msot people can't just 'move''
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one example. Say you have a high school calculus teacher. A student might ask - "Teacher! Teacher! But what if we want to integrate something that isn't continuous? What if we have some fractal-like pattern thingamajig?"'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If a school is filled with thieves and druggies, the only way for you to keep your kid away from them is to CONFINE THEM TO THE HOUSE INDEFINITELY.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't let us, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So those are your choices, move or confine your kids to the house.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're imposing solutions on us now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'otherwise, your kid MIGHT get in contact with those thieves and/or druggies at SOME TIME. It doesn't mean the public school system as a whole is broken.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a teacher with a high school level of education has just about no chance of answering that well... a graduate might...'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It means that particular school and schools like it are broken. Improve individual schools, don't condemn the entire system.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would rather submit your kids to that rather than having a home tutor'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I would MOVE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or protest. Or sue the school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know, what reasonable people do?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think people don't protest?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what part of "Home schooling is OK if the home schooler passes a test first"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop shooting it down'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If your chosen tutor has passed by Yuna Test of Home Schooling, they are free to home school your kid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'society is broken, withdraw from society?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'create your own, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'aka nwo'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a great idea... I know of many such cases just like that!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm arguing two things: Against the perceived importance of home schooling over public schooling as systems and against EVERYONE having the right to home school.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's called multi-tasking. Some of us can do that despite having penises.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear afghanistan has plenty such... they call them training camps, but they're really just schools free of government interference!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I hear the State of Texas is like that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd all best go there, then'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear you can get full scholarships too, and they give schooling in plenty of practical matters!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'strapping materials to chest 101'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where the party which holds the majority of the power in all instances of government actually campaigns AGAINST critical thinking in school on their official party platform for the 2012 election season.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the point is, some level of intrusion is necessary for society to function. It's one of those necessary evils.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there needs to be a line, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the key is to determine what is optimal, not scrap it altogether'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That line would be: Proficiency tests for home schooling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Home schooling should NOT be a right. It should be a PRIVILEGE:'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were doing it, yuna, I'd be paying a private tutor with the correct training, and augmenting with myself'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'letting people hide their kids from society, teaching them who-knows-what, does not seem to be a particularly good idea, unless you have a strong system to make sure they have access to news and the outside world, and can reach certain levels of competency'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you pass the test, you're fee to engage in it. If you don't, too bad, you IDIOT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tigernuts, but your original argument was that EVERYONE should be allowed to home school kids.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which would include unqualified and unfit parents/tutors/George W. Bushes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Would you support Sarah Palin's right to home school her kids?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then you're obviously nuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'how about ron l hubbard?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would want them to pass a basic exam before exemption them from P1, and an exam every year thereafter... and perhaps attend some community self-study sort of thing once a week or something, where they would have access to news, books, information, other human beings, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if she wants to hire someone to teach her kids in her house, she should be free to'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you idiot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(as well as people who they can tell if anything untoward is happening at home)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sarah Palin's right to PERSONALLY act as her kids' teachers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's different'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why there needs to be standards imposed. You can only home school if you'd passed rigorous testing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like "you say your daddy touched you? Can you point on this doll where he did" or something'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the home schooled kids need to be constantly tested by the state to check if they're getting the necessary education. Twice a year (at the end of each semester) doesn't seem like much to ask. If they routinely fail these tests, they are immediately removed from home schooling and given a public education.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure that the system of which you're so envious, Tigernuts, i.e. the U.S. system of home schooling, allows anyone and everyone to home school their kids.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better if it's "score below median, watchlist. Score below 35th percentile, retest and immediate revocation of homeschool privileges."'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly. Home schooling should, at most, be a PRIVILEGE, not a right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are lots of things that are currently rights that should be privileges, and I dare say things that are privileges that should be rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, spending 2 to 3x on education in the US should be a privilege, not a right.  Our schools rank 35th in the nations rank, but spend 2x more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like the rest of the bloated country.....fat people, fat budgets, and thin intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what kind of land can i get in Texas for around $5000, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the smaller the acreage, the larger the price.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYlQhhocMw'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E03U00ME-s'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a Discovery channel documentary on how Hitler used propoganda in schools to get acceptance for his ideas'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military are being trained to do warrantless searches, gun confiscations, and re-education camp management in the USA. They've been instructed to shoot using lethal force and ask questions in unrest situations'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAMPS-CivilDisturbanceOps.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the big prescription drug dealers are MDs'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do here'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In a recent study, Dr. DePinho and his team managed to shift the aging process of rodents into reverse by restoring their truncated telomeres. The little guys suddenly had fewer signs of DNA damage, more-efficient mitochondria, and healthier organs!'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... if bail is set at 1 mil, why do you only need to pay 100k (10%) to "meet the requirement for release"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '10% is the fee to the bailbondsman, you have to present collateral worth 1M.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or buy a 1M bond if you have the money :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when you meet the terms of the bond, the collateral is released so you are out 100K.'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you skip, you lose the 100K and the collateral :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A fish with its genitals and anus on its head? Intelligent design my penis!'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the empire state building is struck by lightning thousands of times each year....it is a shame we cannot tap into that free power source.'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are free to stand at the top and hold a lightning rod...'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'Vegas - roulette $100, red or black?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8496121'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon tax levied on some poor guys burial'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how the NSA has been breeching the constitution since 2001, straight from an ex-NSA employee, http://on.rt.com/susjom'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'George Bernard Shaw and "the Humane Gas"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4  british/irish national hero, canadian hero, public speaker praising stalin's holocaust(s) -> He is also remembered as one of the pivotal founders of the London School of Economics, whose library is now called the British Library of Political and Economic Science. The Fabian Window, designed by Shaw, hangs in the Shaw Library in the main building of the LSE.  The Shaw Festival, an annual theater festival in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can the government be explained by it's national heroes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I'll be your wife if you aren't too picky about gender'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smart move! Harperon tries to start some discussion about the weather, hoping no one noticed his last mischan.
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'George Bernard Shaw and "the Humane Gas" - was that G.B.Shaw praising the use of Zylkon B gas'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and various other things, tough to pinpoint just what ww2 was about if both stalin and hitler were mass murderers'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(and obviously britain and canada)'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''I want to kill them all, why should you have all the fun?' - Hitler, 'This means war!' - Stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the kind of reasoning that comes to mind trying to conceptualize it'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the non-agression deal signed was the one demanding germany starves 'millions of german citizens' to death, with a 'gun to the head of the signator' that's mentioned in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs then there's some massacre at danzig also referred to with tread marks on some bodies - not sure if that video's a fabrication though, i don't remember seeing it on history tv - the holodomor show that's an unlikely demand of russia though'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and hero bernard shaw of course opens the doors to all kinds of unlikely scenario's'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''The minorities living within the Reich are not subject to persecution''
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trust the version of world war 2 from the 'winners' who 'bestially and sadistically tortured women and children before he declared war, only to be killed in the end''
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the allies who went to defend the murderers'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh -- what did the 'winners' do that "bestially and sadistically tortured women and children" -- the [09 Jul 15:20:16] post seems garbled ambiguous incoherent'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what knowledge does obama have about it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18264036 Obama angers Poles with 'death camp' remark'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'geez, maybe they're led by the same people who genocided europe in the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your hero bernard shaw's a good inspiration'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do the 'poles' supply some of the rendition camps and personel where crimes against humanity are commited at the behest of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some nay view the rendition camps run by the USA in europe as death camps'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if russia's not in charge of ukraine 'hundreds of thousands of human rights abuses by the police' per year, and doctors in uzbekistan ordered to force-sterilize 12 women per week, then who is?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be america'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bandying unsubstantiated false accusations muddies the debate'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not false, that's on amnesty international and bbc'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550 and http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/010/2011'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look up 'ukraine porn' on google, you'll get the indication that that's the child pornography capital of the world, i wonder if the cops are the main suppliers or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably in on it'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whoevers behind the actions of ukrainian and uzbekistan's governments, neither is large enough to really be behind it's own actions, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they don't really operate with any accountability in most of south central america and africa either though'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would they call it the God particle, it is not like it turned water into wine, or talked through a burning bush.'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it is, by the model which predicted it's existing, the subatomic particle that gives things mass'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so now they can invest a matter replicator machine ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'invent even'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who cares then, :('
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they can use more tax money to blow shit up'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Your tax money....I own muni bonds now. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i give nearly a half of my wages each month to charity'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add on what they take for services, it's nearly 66%'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muni bonds are the best invention ever.'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rock on, shitty corporate-welfare masquerading as socialism!'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today's wingnut whining, brought to you by the Far Right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and here is Comrade Yuna, UI'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silver sounds more fun, bankrupt a few bankers with positions'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone had their Merck mumps shot?'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're petrol powered'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt they'd use a v8 in a diesel though, no real point'
T3/r7/2012-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that, 4 cyclinder?'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know. But I don't feel like downloading a whole bunch of iffy unknown programs, which is why I decided to ask around for some good, recommended ones first.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thanks. I just discovered through Google that MPC can do it. Gonna check out the results now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell is wrong with people? Fifty Shades of Grey - the (Fan) Musical.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard bad things about that movie, although they were praising that movie because of the bad things'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, over $3 million worth of 1910 extremely rare baseball cards were found in the attic of a 100+ year old home.....16 honus wagner, 9 ty cobb, connie mack, christy mathewson, a little over 700 cards in total from 1910.  Almost all the cards are near mint to mint.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, the scranton PA city mayor cut all city workers pay to $7.25 an hour, the federal min wage.....the unions are going whacko there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if he cut his own pay to $7.25 an hour.....if he didnt, he deserves to be shot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what were they getting before the pay reduction'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows, but it was union pay, so probably quite a bit more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the city has $340,000 in the bank, and owes $3.4 million in debts to health insurance...so the city is broke.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the beggaring of common USAmerica by the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the population of Scranton PA'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must not be that big, only has 400 city workers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$340 million divided 400 is $850,000'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the police, fireman, etc, 7.25 an hour'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where did you get $340 million ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '7.25 * 40 * 52 is $15,080 pa'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$3.4 million divided 400 is $8,500 '
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$340,000 divided 400 is $850, $850 divided by 7.25 is approx 117 hours or less than 3 weeks'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the population of Scranton is so small, then no need to bother mentioning them'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't waste the peanut-gallery-time mentioning inconsequential crap'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quiet tonight'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have people on the payroll whose job is to get SSI for the people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, secret service were called because someone had a float called "obamination" in the procession during a festival'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you dare diss the president, it's illegal (apparently)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone called them...I haven't seen an article that says they came or that they did anything...'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they were called because of the other signs on the float, not because of obamination plates'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are actively encouraged to'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were no signs that were illegal, untrue, or threatening in any way, it was satire'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the call, by the sheriff, to the secret service was entirely unwarranted'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you people have lese majesty?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be like calling MI5 every time an edition of "Have I Got News For You"  is aired'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we don't vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does America'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'germany, switzerland, poland, denmark, netherlands, norway, spain, morroco, thailand, north korea, china, and a bunch of arab countries do'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in most cases, the laws haven't been used for 100s of years, but have now started being wheeled out again... wonder why that is'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ridiculous law, it's difficult to contemplate why anyone would actively support it'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you believe such people are above the law, above everyone else, and disagree with the concept of freedom of speech/freedom of expression'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a term for such people during WW1, WW2, and the Cold War. It was called "The Enemy"'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the float was pretty damn funny, though :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth are they even -contemplating- trialing Oxycotin on kids?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate is dead. Where's zade or chemosH?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even UI Yuna vomitting socialist propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Civilian ownership of guns threatens the power monopoly of the state"'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO and biotech companies seeking immunity from prosecution'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what could possibly go wrong with that...'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'its only natural they would want protection from their fuckups'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Solid: 'the first person to attack a know-it-all tier (the old barney) will get 5mil from me'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have immunity from prosecution, it gives them carte blanche to ignore due diligence when it comes to safety'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already know that gmo stuff mutates over time and causes massive issues'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay! Russia sends warships to Syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll learn em'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'russia has their only warm water port IN syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, looks like they're reinforcing'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'syria is a strategic port for them'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to get some popcorn'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very much so, and they probably are quite annoyed at the expansionism being pushed by NATO'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Screw Youtube advertising. Every time they slap me with a 10+ second ad I cannot skip, I just turn the sound off.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What in the name of Raptor Jesus? A man sued a priest but "a Daytona Beach court threw out the case citing church autonomy". Say what?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(An appeals judge has ruled to allow the case, however)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the fuck does church autonomy have to do with throwing cases out of court?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, churches count as foreign soil now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Churches have no legally binding internal jurisdiction in any western country...'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It wasn't about a church decision.... A pastor made a comment during a sermon, a man mentioned tried to sue for defamation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The original judge said that churches have the freedom to say whatever they like during a sermon, but an appeals court has allowed the case to proceed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to the article I'm reading, it was outside of sermon.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It was both during a sermon and in discussions with other church members.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The court was thrown out on 1st amendment grounds ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...")'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly, so the "It was during a sermon" excuse doesn't fly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why would you get carte blanche during sermons, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It falls under the 1st Amendment, but it's really based on other court precedents.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The United States of Theocracy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, fact that that he allegedly defamed the man a bajillion times OUTSIDE of sermon means the lower court had no legal leg to stand on.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I agree that it shouldn't apply in this case, probably. Saying that someone is gay and that their marriage is a sham isn't really what the courts had in mind when they said that churches should be free to operate without interference from government.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Almost the same exact thing happened in Bryce Vs St Aidan's, and the courts ruled in favor of the church. That case didn't have the aspect of a pastor calling someone's marriage a sham, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's not true.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A quick sweep of the brief for that case reveals that that case was thrown out because the comments were made a part of "ecclestial discussion", likely during sermons and church seminars or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This case involves a priest who mostly went around whispering it into parishoner's ears and called/emailed people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I can't find anything about his whispering it around. He spoke to church officials and the guy's prospective father in law.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And he mentioned it during a sermon to everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Personally I find it more offensive that the pastor talked the guy into letting him install spayware on his computer to see what websites he was looking at. That's like a whole new level of voyeurism.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Bad enough dragging the guy into his office for detailed discussion about his "impure thoughts" ... now he wants to buddy surf with him?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article mentions him telling his parishoner's, the guy's father-in-law and church officials in the guy's new parish after he moved out of state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None of which could've been done as part of "ecclestial" duties.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The pastor is probably of the closeted gay brand of homophobe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Unless they have someone willing to come forward and say he was pulling parishoners aside to gossip, the church's lawyers can say it was the sermon that spread the news to the flock. As for talking to other church officials, or talking about it with any employees or lay people.. that's what they do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They have decades and even centuries of legal precedents on their side, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'New laws have to be written then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I could not agree more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that's idiotic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except you don't have freedom of speech over and above defamation in a sermon any more than you do gossiping'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the US, you as a company are free to refuse service to whomever you wish so long as it doesn't conflict with existing law (which currently means if the customer reveals themselves to be gay you can refuse them service for that reason).  The hitch in this whole thing, however, is that this does not actually apply to civil law and the person you refused service to can litigate you out of business for it (and either you fold or betray your beliefs).'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, freedom of speech vs defamation is a tricky thing. Newspapers, for instance, can crucify you even though it turns out they were wrong. They can claim that they did it without malice and get away with it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Churches get away with that sort of thing all the time, too. Look at Chuck O'neal. A lady quit the church, and blogged about things she didn't like. He made sermons about her, then sued her for defamation after she said that his church was basically a cult.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's a UK case though, and I'm not sure if it's been decided yet, but it's still the same idea. You get a lot of leeway when you're on the pulpit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In less stupid news, the Supreme Court of Sweden finally decided once and for all that Lolicon isn't illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how is that any less stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying Lolicon being illegal wouldn't be stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm saying Loli is stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So is Justin Bieber. He's not illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not illegal when they're exploring!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The court still took the coward's way out by specifying that Lolicon (and Shotacon) isn't illegal because it's heavily stylized and doesn't look much like real children, which means that drawnings depicting pornography involving children may still remain illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'As well they should.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( Children of the Porn )
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I get it'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do you think drawings depiction children should be illegal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'I think pornographic drawings depicting children should be illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Enabling, and desensitizing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I do agree, enabling is bad.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If a paedophile watches pictures of children, it's better than them watching actual depictions of sexual abuse of children.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sure, I agree, lets feed them all the virtual porn they want'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what's next? Fictional depictions of murder should be illegal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that's enabling and desensitizing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there are people who would agree with that yuna :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not the content that matters, is the fact that the providers of the content might engage in the act themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Furthermore, what constitutes child pornography and what constitutes art is highly subjective. A lot of old-timey art would be child pornography nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Might" being the keyword.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question to be asked is why would anyone depict something that they weren't interested in when they can choose any other topic?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Add to the fact that you can depict sexual abuse against children in ANY art form besides the pictographic one (in Sweden).'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one who likes to depict murders or child pornography might very well encourage those types of behaviors by example. '
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are songs about fiddling kids, books about fiddling kids, etc. All perfectly legal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Might":'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the video games inspire violence argument, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or discourage it, by providing sustenance in a non-victim way'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not to mention film. You can depict sexual abuse against children in film as long as no no-no places are shown.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I know porn prevents me from turning into a raging sex addict destined for a date with the hiv'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some of the pictures originally classified as child pornography by the lower courts aren't even close to what some movies depict.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not the other way around :p and although anecdote doesn't equal data, I feel like how pornography allows me to manage my sexual drive, it can do the same for paedofiles'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a good example is how gang life is glorified these days both in the arts and in everyday life. These abstractions remove the underlying reality and allows for the uninformed to think that there is nothing wrong with gangs (or child pornograpy, or murder, for that matter).'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One depicted girl in a pair of those jeans-jumpsuit-like things. She wasn't wearing a shirt under it, but it covered her entire body except for her collarbone and arms. Wham! Child pornography!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'anaristos post hoc ergo propert hoc, you have no reason to believe those films cause more gang violence.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except that one can just look out the window and see the reality of gangs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? She had no breasts and straight hips. Maybe because "she" was MALE.''
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the picture wasn't pornographic in any way but in a true pervert's mind!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not concerned with whether they promote more violence or not. I will be damned if I am going to go around flashing gang signs just to be cool, when I think gangbangers should all be in jail. They have nothing good to offer society and, at the very least, they have nothing to glorify them. They are a sordid part of our environment.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and thats the sort of thinking that gets us the USA the highest incarcaration rate of the first world, and the highest recivism rate.  Whereas, the scandanavian countries have got insanely low numbers on both and are ranked some of the happiest countries in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by having dress fashions to emulate gangbangers and have celebrities flashing gang signs, the gangs are marked as an accepted and respected aspect of our society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think we actually have gangs in most cities in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not to throw a bunch of facts together to paitn a picture that supports my point of view like is typical on debate, or anything.... but I'm saying the correlations of all the numbers are quite strong, there is a hint of something there, and I'd like to think we have been doing the whole crime&punishment thing less well then some other first world societies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes but really is that WHY the gangs exist?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had those fashions and suchlike during the 90s, when the suits focusing on terrorism were too busy for terror and all over gangs like flies on stinky brown stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or is that just a symptom?  Thats like saying "by having a fever we're encouraging cold's so lets bathe everyone in ice water" its just junk thinking'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after 9-11, the highups went code brown and moved almost all resources from gang to terror.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So now, that Chemosh, Zade and Tigernuts aren't all online at once for the first time in living memory (a week)... (none of them are online)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who do you support in the upcoming U.S. elections? Obama or Mitt Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not my point, Hanslanda. My point, tying in with child pornography depictions, is that the mainstream society has embraced gang life, at least as an abstraction. Finding it "cool" to dress like a gangbanger or to flash gang sings, or calling one's mate "bitch", etc. Gang life should be shunned. Main straeam society should treat gangs and anything related to gangs for what they are, a cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(3rd parties don't matter. They're essentially moot votes)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't get a vote :('
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're running with the wrong crowd if you think it's become mainstream to dress and act like gangbangers...'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And/or you live in a ghetto.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just check out any high school in anytown, USA.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'votes don't matter their actions are already bought.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I think a difference in lifestyles should be established.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And percentage of High School kids run around dressed and acting like gangbangers? And what percentage of High School kids agree with their choice?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'Yuna, its completely mainstream.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what kind of question is that, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A valid one? You claim it's mainstream. Now prove it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just go to any high school campus in the US, it will look like gangbang central.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Gangster fashion is pretty well established in most Western countries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck is "Gangster fashion", anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Though I wish they'd bring back the zoot suits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think I might need to adjust my assumptions on the word 'gangbang'...'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and no, I don't live in the ghetto, though living in a ghetto has nothing to do with it, there are many decent people who live in ghettos.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mine doesn't.  It's actually less so now in my sister's generation than it was when I was attending.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'Western countries. thanks oath. that's the lifestyle difference.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Baggy pants and a hoodie?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Lowriding jeans, specific styles of tennis shoes and shirts, hats worn a certain way. That sort of thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like gangster fashion. It lets me know who not to take much time with in interviews.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, kids today dress weird and act weird, not like we did when we were kids. '
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes... caps worn backwards is totally glorifying gangbanging!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So are lowriding pants!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet we are the first generation to say that....'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not backwards. I'm talking about keeping the bill exactly fresh with the stickers on it, tilted at a slight angle. I'm not saying it's glorifying gang lifestyle, I'm saying it's something you see in rap videos.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And a lot of rap does glorify gang life.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And kids who wear their caps backwards and jeans down by the lower parts of their buttocks are clearly glorifying gang violence!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every generation has kids doing their thing, no doubt. But lately kids want to associate themselves with a part of society which has no redeeming value.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the best part of today's fashion is vagazzling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Keeps their stickers on and wears at specifying angles". What are you, the fashon police?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not glorifying gang violence, I never said that. They are, however, acknowledging gang life. The point.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's spelled vajazzling'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'you asked what it was.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe it's a portmanteau of "vajayjay" and "bedazzling".'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Did I say it was a bad thing? Presenting factual descriptions is far from passing judgement.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't mind claiming that it is bad to pretend to be a gangbanger.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Being one, yeah that's not great. But dressing like one doesn't really bother me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's no different than religion'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that those HS kids that go around flashing gang signs to look cool, would be horrified if they actually went into the 'hood and earned a bullet between the eyes for their coolness.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How many HS kids actually go around flashing gang signs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '0.05%?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh, lots'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's what the movie Havoc is all about. (And features a nekkid Anne Hathaway.) Alpha Dog is kind of about that, too.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, seriously, what High Schools ahve you been to?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Predominantly ghetto HS:es?'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'most high schools.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you got this thing for ghettos, don't you? There seems to be a racial bias in your position.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'most ghetoo schools'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ghetto has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the area.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the black/chicano/chink family has moved up enough in the world that they are no longer ghetto-fied.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ghetto ppl suck'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as such, while they accept and embrace certain aspects, they aren't actually into the lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The houses are dilapidated, the locals are likely of the lower classes, with low to no education and bad jobs. That's a ghetto.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I could care less about race. I'm an Asian living in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, ghetto has nothing to do with race... but how many lily white high schools do you find in the ghetto? So race is a point.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'saying we have a gangbanging problem based on all the posers throwing signs and dressing up is a lot like calling most of the Christian following perverted kiddie-diddlers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying a lot of mafioso are Italian, thus all mafioso are Italian or something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just strawmanning to win some kind of points.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"A ghetto is a part of a city predominantly occupied by a particular group, especially because of social or economic issues, or because they have been forced to live there (e.g. the Jewish Ghettos in Europe)." (Wikipedia)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it just mean overpopulated i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which would lead to more scurmishes naturally'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, historically, ghettos are parts of a cities into which unwanted members of society are thrown to live ostracized from the rest of society.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am not mentioning race. I simply pointed out that teenagers today want to emulate (in abstract) gang life. You pointed out that that only happens in the ghetto. Most all-white HS are not in the ghetto, I would find it hard to locate one in the ghetto, as a matter of fact. Therefore, your bring up the "ghetto" issue smacks of racial bias.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'is there a gay ghetto? OMG I want to live in the gay ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'more like a.meth ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh wait, we get tossed into them, make them nice, and then rich straight bastards toss out again and take over'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nowadays, the word is mostly used to describe areas with high crimes rates, low education rates (<-- ?), low wagers, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats not new, wannabe gangsters were around when i was in school'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre just frightened, small minded people'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you're, what, 40? (Modi)'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im 35'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were around when Capone was being scared shitless by all teh bullets richocheting around him.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Once again, I say bring back the zoot suits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I really don't think the cosa nostra is all that similar a social organism to groups like MS13'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea gangsters did dress better in the 50s'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zoot suits are a crime against fashion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you only get one chance at retro, then you forever become tacky.'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'School uniforms and spanking, so the kids learn their lesson!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'ZOOT SUITS FOR ALL'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mafia glorifier! To the ghetto with you!'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You confuse know with make up'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'already there, buddy. buddy buddy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what Arizona is going to do when the water from colorado runs out.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'colorado river that is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'nothing, AZ gets very little, CA gets it all'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the more pressing question is what is Los Angeles going to do :) They get their electricity from damming the Colorado.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'california can buy power off the open market since they are shutting down all their own power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cali needs a dozen new natgas power plants.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, don't confuse California with Los Angeles :) The city may be in California, but it is a state of its own.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas needs some also, but they are actually building them here...and expanding the nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has already stolen all the water from Northern California and it gets its electricity by dmming the Colorado. That's not going to change in the near future.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas was going to build 7 new state of the art coal power plants, but the tree huggers caused to much trouble, so the power company switched to natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is actually a good thing considering all the new natgas that has been discovered in Texas in the last couple years.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I really don't blame them. Coal burning is not a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I prefer natgas over coal anyday....but when the price of natgas was $11 a thcf.....it would have been murder for power users.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all you have to do is look at the cities during the Industrial Revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now the price is under $2 for natgas....it wont go much lower since some producers have slowed down on starting new gas wells.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'left or right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'East, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'good deal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in stupid news: Democrats and Republicans alike are outraged that the U.S. Olympic Comittee has ordered uniforms made entirely in China for the U.S. Olympians.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because... China is evil? Only U.S. citizens should be allowed to stitch together uniforms for the U.S. Olympians?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in other unheard news today, both the Democrats and Republicans secretly thanked the U.S. Olympic Comittee for giving each party an opportunity to wax indignant and distract the voters from the economy and other more important election issues.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'not debate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Yang's time in Ottawa was dedicated to securing more foreign aid for his country, despite human rights abuses and Canadian concerns about corruption. Along with other representatives of African countries, he was pleased by Canada's commitment to debt relief in 2000.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil%C3%A9mon_Yang  Power lies firmly in the hands of the authoritarian president since 1982, Paul Biya, and his Cameroon People's Democratic Movement party.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon is it usually a democratic agreement that the convinced citizens of world vision charity commercials would like their tax money used bailing out foreign nations of corruption?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember reading about misappropriation of aid money in haiti which JFK cancelled and was later assassinated and some other places too'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier Duvalier misappropriated millions of US dollars of international aid, including 15 million US dollars annually from the United States.  He transferred this money to personal accounts. Another of Duvalier's methods to obtain foreign money was to gain foreign loans, including 4 million USD from Cuban president Fulgencio Batista.  After the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963bwhich Duvalier later claimed resulted from a curse that he had placed on him - the U.S. eased its pressure on Duvalier, grudgingly accepting him as a bulwark against Communism.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'People & Power  :  America's Dangerous Game  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ this video claims that american funding to syria is managed exclusively by terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wait.. yemen rather, that's what i remember from it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'US President Barack Obama has announced a $3bn (#1.9bn) plan to boost food security and farm productivity in Africa, US officials say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18119024 are they gonna be verifiably sure that the money is used only for what it's intended for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great, the right-wing demagogues are back.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't trust anything to do with money being mysteriously handled and unverifiably used properly, a photo-shoot isn't a trustworthy evidence, it can be profitable to aid enough people to fit in a photograph so that you get the money to make another million pictures which are never taken'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say right on the other link there that they bail entire nations of corruption and human rights abuses out'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read an article awhile ago that england was going to keep charities going, even knowing that alot of the money is funding terrorism, in the interest of national security'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada has no record on the internet of the amount of money doubled by the tax-payer in their somalia donations'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the verifiable paper trail it took'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions, like holodomor misappropriation of aid funding building up your enemy stronger, think they really verify the proper use of every 10 billion dollars they receive?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine there's some fat-cats sittin in castles thanks to people's 'good intentions''
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''you think those terrorists made all the weapons they use?' http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18827211 Reuters said that ZTE had sold Iran a surveillance system capable of monitoring landline, mobile and internet communications.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you realize that you're the only person to ahve spoken in this channel for the past 15 minutes? You're talking to yourself and essentially spamming.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody agrees with you. And nobody cares enough to actually engage you in another futile debate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, one person's spam is another's campaign promises and missing investigations into massive-corruption possibilities, already done in history - you must be pretty smart being oblivious to it all, evidence included - justin bieber being sued for 9 m by a woman who complained his fan's screamed too loudly, all the wisdom of yours'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck are you talking about? What does it say about yourself that you even know the details about that Justin Bieber lawsuit (I had no clue about) and that you'd actually use it as an argument in a debate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because you remind me of a communist world war 2 russian preaching the good bernard shaw of justice'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, this is why your side will ALWAYS LOSE. As soon as anyone's to the left when it comes to politics, we're automatically dirty socialists, communists, Marxists or whateverists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's what their attitudes reflect'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least I contain my scorn to the far right-wing (of which you, of course, are a member. Or possibly you've gone beyond even that).'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We try to engage you in actual debate using facts, arguments and logic. You counter every 5 minutes with "You're a dirty Socialist/Marxist/Communist!".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you just called my evidence with the debate a spam, why should yours mean anything?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's quite telling that I've never actually referred to you as a Fascist, yet you throw around "Left-wing slurs" every 5 minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Mr. "I speak English at a 1st grade level".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I called what you were doing tantamount to spam. Spamming up the channel with something nobody obviously wishes to debate with you about.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stupid kenyan commie fascist liberal muslim atheists!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I know that it can be difficult for you NOT to twist people's words around. But try for a change not only to comprehend BASIC ENGLISH but not to intentionally misconstrue it to further your agenda.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh wow, here's a hole in the government sending billions upon billions of dollars into terrorists bank accounts that never reaches who it's intended for, no big deal, and the government can be lobbied to bail foreign nations out of debt who abuse human rights and are highly corrupt - no big deal, and there's no record or paper trail of the tax-payers money being used properly or even a boasting as is typical of the government?  no signs there, JFK removed funding for haiti aid because of misappropriation by it's leader and was later assassinated with the funding re-opened?  who cares, what does the aljazeera video claim?  maybe not reliable information but it's still considerable'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, unlike you, I don't have to hallucinate/invent what my opponents in debates are saying in order to "win".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and yes, all terrorists develop their own ak-47s and various other munitions and monitoring technologies, they don't come exclusively from places like america, china and russia'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the real threat's are obviously who has the weapons, not who provides them'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'michael jacksonville in ukraine is pretty good too, i read it on amnesty international'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet here we are, 3 weeks into your prattling on and on about this and you have yet to produce any valid sources for these claims.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about president of uzbekistan claiming if he doesn't get his way there'll be islamic war, and ordering doctors to cut out 8 uterus's from female patients per wekk? '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, we're not interested in your conspiracy theories. There's no way to debate against a conspiracy theorist with little to no proof.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How are we supposed to prove you wrong? Make up stuff ourselves?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not just a russian kind of place, sheriff in transnistria knows what it's all about too, persecution of gypsy's and all'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're rambling incoherently again. And where's those pesky sources?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''conspiracy theories' i read about on the news and looked up the details of to see that theories are substantiated by investigations that the governments of the world look at'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The news"? What news sources?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And see, you're, as usual, pinning it all on Obama when Bush Jr. didn't do shit about it and neither have any of Obama's political opponents pledged to do shit about it should they be elected President.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what do you suggest they do, anyway? Stop all humanitarian efforts in non-democratic countries?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's pinning anything on obama?  one foreign aid package isn't what it's all about, i pointed to the 1950's and 60's'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and canada's possible hand in padding the pockets of holodomor communists'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh? "US President Barack Obama has announced a $3bn (#1.9bn) plan to boost food security and farm productivity in Africa, US officials say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18119024 are they gonna be verifiably sure that the money is used only for what it's intended for?'"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says in lenin's own book the use of terror as a neccessary part of totalitarian government, marxist-leninist terrorists is mentioned by a muslim from turkey -> (and as is likely, alot of the terrorists guns and things are imported from communist china/russia or ally america) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_5EYicHh8'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh hey, now all lefties are terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , does this guy have unsubstantiated idle conspiracy theory, or a world war 2 survivor government system that could be what the basis of modern conflicts are?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know who was to the far right of politics? Mussolini. So, you're obviously a genocidal fascist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna is a disgrace to the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your logic is the same old tired bulslhit logic right-wingers throw around all the time: SOME communists were/are evil, therefore ALL communists AND communism is evil.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'so..you're saying the problem with every right-wing person is that they believe that every left-wing person are the same?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Communism shares ideals with Socialists, so all Socialists are evil as well!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the guy in the video, i never read lenin's book myself, but maybe i should'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I should clarify, Harperon: Far right-wingers who can't find proper ways to discredit the left.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna uses extrapolated false accusations and does not use proper logic'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so are they going to be there to verify that the money is actually used for what it is being sent for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone not bowing down to Yuna is a right-wing nutjob, doncha know?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is some elite group of welfare-peddlers going to be living the american dream on top of the world thanks to their charity?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, this is where your credibility as a debater flies out the window.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone who has spent half a minute reading Chemosh knows that he's neither right nor left...he'll spout total shit about all sides'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One your "sources" is a Youtube video of a nutjob appearing on what appaers to be a Turkish television show with very poor production values (i.e. some kind of public access channel, probably)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he doesn't make a lick of sense half the time, but he's hardly on one side'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, Abelinc, it's usually right-wing anti-left BS when I've seen him in action.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And we know that he's anti-left-anything. He's not noticeably anti-right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just see right-wing everywhere you look'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, he throws "Socialist/Communist/Marxist" around as slurs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there hasn't been ONE conversation you've been involved in on debate channel since you came back where you haven't shouted RIGHT WING!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's pretty logical to then assume that he's a right-wingers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mussolini might have been far right, but one thing i remember is that he wanted to uproot corruption from italian government, in the form of the mafia who at that time (and in future times) corrupting the entire italian nation'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it isn't logical to assume that at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i heard on 'cities of the underworld' or 'underworld histories' on history tv'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because neutral middle-the-roaders often do that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only a left-wing nutjob would assume that'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, maybe he was as evil as the victorious ussr allies claimed he was, but at least he had an eye out for honesty'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you know nothing about my personal political leanings, as I will *never* state them, yet you've already attacked me repeatedly for being right wing'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Chemosh "political position" is against corruption and abuses of humans '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I have never once seen him rail against right-wing politics. Never once. Or a right-wing politician.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I'm sorry, Abelinc. You siding with the right on most issues must've been CONFUSED me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have never sided with the right'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but I've been against stupid inane shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as right wing politics or left wing politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's a massive anti-government conspiracy theorist, regardless of whichever government that happens to be the one being discussed at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh joy, the 3rd member of the Nutbag Triumvirate is here.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Abelinc, you're not one of the three)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see you to, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd missed you'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if this video is actually adolf hitler speaking, and left wing means power to the people, how come he's asking his people to care for one another and not to persecute minorities and things like that?  not very much like stalin's character brings to mind with holodomor/great purge/dekulakization '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's Yuna spitting venom about tonight?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG9NXmuCaE  Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I must've confused Chemosh with Tigernuts for a moment here. So Chemosh is the guy who claimed Hitler didn't really hate the Jews?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemosh mentioned it, not sure if he agrees with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh posts links '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you weren't the one to argue about it, were you, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Yuna, I was not'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, Abelinc. I got them jumbled up. I thought Tigernuts was the "Hitler didn't hate the jews guy" while Chemosh was the guy complaining about the left all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i complain about everyone, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just saying, as he's given responsibility for all them evil crimes in history, he sure must have been a master-manipulator in public speech, which composed the body of his military (his people) and various other things'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I will concede that I was wrong this time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if you were after an accurate generalisation)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stalin was worse than Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, when you complained about politicians making an issue out of gay marriage to distract from the real issues, you complained about Democrats and left-wing politicians doing it. When I pointed out how it was the right who made a big deal out of by opposing it, you pretty much just went "La la la la la".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus, if you listen to the video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs   Amazing Speech - Adolf Hitler declares war on Poland  , he mentions a agreement signed with USSR under duress to starve millions of germans to death, which holodomor in ukraine was already in 1930-1932'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That, in my book is someone who's to the right of the political spectrum. Or at least more right than left.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides of the divide use it as a wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so however much lies he's speaking in the video, assuming it is him, they at least have historic references to look up'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except the right do it more and they'er the ones turning it into an issue.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of an issue in this country, as it goes'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more an american thing than anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the right would just let gay rights be passed without making a huge deal out of it, it wouldn't be a wedge issue.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a mischaracterisation'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and various other things, i just consider it because it always seemed odd to me, that any people would support a person who was a mass-murderer against another mass-murderer who was even worse, on the basis of racist national pride and things like that, when i hear in these alleged speeches of his that he didn't project that in the least to his people'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really only the staunchly traditional christians that make it an issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know how the left tries to pass gay rights laws? By doing so through the courts and legislation throughout the years. The right? They often try to pass amendments repealing/banning gay rights on election years.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but he does refer to stalin's genocidal and arrogant nature in the speeches, almost like an absolute contrast'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yeah, the Right, bigger twats when it comes to politicizing gay rights.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's stalin who had killed 30 million civilians in genocide, death camps and other things before ww2 started, which is referred to in that video'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides are guilty of pulling stunts like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you even pay real attention to American politics?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american politics is dead'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why i said there is no left and right, both sides are paid for by the same corporate interests'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single Republican Senator vote down gay rights every single time. It's considered a miracle and "bipartisan" if the democrats can get maybe 3 Republicans to side with them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll vote how they're told'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never was racist, but i do respond to racists, i see common problems among all people as more worthy things to be for or against'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Staunchly Traditional Christians" make up, like, 90% of all American politicians (on the right at least).'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is that better?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similarly here in the UK, politicians vote how they're told to vote'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're still politicizing it and using it as a wedge issue MORE than the left.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in truth, it has nothing to do with central government in the US, it's a State issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet the Republicans passed DOMA.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that just prove that both sides are at it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How does the Republicans passing DOMA prove both sides are at it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like two petulant children arguing over a toy'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'the supreme court of Iowa was almost completely conservative when it ruled to allow gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I never said both sides aren't at it. I'm saying the Republicans do it more, worse and louder.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about the civil war they're starting'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that when you brought the issue up, you pretty much blamed only teh Democrats is quiet telling.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, with both sides at it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats aren't starting a civil war.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or about the raping of healthcare, which both sides are starting'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats are in power, no?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SOME Republicans are talking about a "cultural war" and telling people to "reload" and shit. Not the democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See if you can find a Democrat refer to the "cultural war" unless it's to mock the concept.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is actively promoting rebellion in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you meant outside of the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is actively trying to sign a UN arms treaty that will lead to the end of the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2nd amendment is stupid. Every person should NOT have the right to own a firearm.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is actively deploying troops around America and training them that Americans are the enemy, in violation of the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your opinion on it is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And before you parade the "It's in the constitution!" argument around, the U.S: constitution used to say the white man is entitled to own slaves.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then change the constitution legitimately'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't just ignore it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the second ammendment, the right of the populace to bear weapons, is extremely wise'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'The constitution never said that, it just didn't forbid it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when people have a party that's very bad and one that even worse, and they're split between them, what this says to them is that it's okay for them to get even worse, because people don't really care how terrible they are.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you on about now? Deploying troops around America training them Americans aer the enemy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i live in a country without public ownership of weapons, zade, i -totally- agree'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the UN let it slip themselves when they said "Public gun ownership threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the state"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anything i have an opinion on i can explain how i arrived at those opinions, people can shape their own opinions for themselves, which is why i post links, and i don't claim absolutely one way or another, just comparatively for consideration - like you talk like mussolini was the atypical uzbekistan dictator cutting uterus's out of women back in his day, or ukrainian police-headmaster abusing hundreds of thousands of people per year - but i remembered one thing that didn't seem absolutely negative in that he wanted to remove corruption from power in italy, and he wouldn't have had much support if his people didn't agree with him'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Constitution didn't use the words "slave" and "slavery", but unless you're being willfully obtuse, it's right there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the voters aren't giving them much incentive to be less evil there'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're all evil and world war's are started over who gets to have all the evil fun?  maybe'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of the constitution and bill of rights was to confer lasting protection for the people against a government becoming tyrannical'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely powerful'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wish UK had it, we sorta did with Magna Carta, but as it wasn't a constitution, it's been eroded to almost nothing over time'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Nazi Germany was a legitimate power monopoly of the state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now UK citizerns have 0 right'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The original U.S. constitution talked about "free persons" and "all others" and specified that not-free people who escape to another state cannot be freed by that state's laws.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, zade, so did USSR'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kaddafi Libya was a legitimate power monopoly of the state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assad Syria is a legitimate power monopoly of the state'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Castro Cuba is a legitimate power monopoly of the state'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'rabble! rabble rabble!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'murderous genocidal butcher Stalin USSR was a "legitimate' monopoly of the state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1 UN spokesman once said that. In 2001.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's totally the creed of the UN in 2012!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same treaty they're trying to pass now, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about the "Threatens the power monopoly..."-statement only.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please don't use stale and misleading arguments. It wasn't the UN doing it and they certainly didn't do it recently.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the statement was given to justify the treaty'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND? It was ONE person.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chemosh, one thing that everyone, from every side and political leaning I belive universally agrees with, is that Hitler WAS an absolute genius master manipulator in public speech.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In an interview.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not speaking for the entirety of the UN.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Adolf Hitler was ONE person'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like arguing "oh, well only hitler said it was good to gas jews, but gassing jews isn't bad just because he said it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hey, Michelle Bachmann thinks gays can be cured from being gay and has said so in interviews. Obviously, ALL Republicans thing that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but even ignoring the analogies, it's a bad policy, Obama has no right going -above- the heads of congress to try and pull that'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can you find us sources of the U.N. agreeing with that assessment? Or that that one person who said that thing that one time did it as a representative of the UN and their collective voice?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he does, he'll likely have a revolt on his hands'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that the UN has ever used that as an argument in official debate on the issue?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, gays CAN be "cured" from being gay...if they choose to'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do we need to provide links for everything we say, Yuna? You don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's repression, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the question is, does a particular person think that they NEED curing'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot be "cured" from being gay "if you choose to".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not something one can cure oneself of. Only something one can REPRESS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'Gods will, you know.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'male homosexuality is a psycho-social (mental disease) preference '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can get a lobotomy!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh hey, Zane's a homophobic nutjob. Surprise, surprise.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how you specifically mentioned male homosexuality. So what is female homosexuality? Hot?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'indeed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'past a certain age, it's probably set. Sort of like your dominant hand or eye.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure peers intently at FrT.
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, so many guys say lesbians are hot...they're idiots...it's just the bi chix that r hot :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'successful politicians usually are abelinc, the thing that gets me is, if these are his speeches - how did he later convince people to go against everything he spoke to them?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is ALWAYS set.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some just like to watch...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone whose sexuality truly changes was never of that sexuality to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone whose sexuality truly changes was never of that sexuality to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we really should ban the making of ethanol from corn.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'false.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'things change all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just as some people can delude themselves into thinking they are straight wen they are gay/bi, some can delude themselves into thinking they are gay/bi.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and get rid of the extra duties on imported sugar so that the price of it drops to the global avg in the US, and allow ethanol makers to use imported sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit has been called. Turn over - switch ends'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so, say, someone who likes Milk as a kid, and who doesn't like it as an adult, I guess they're repressing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a single rich male may overlord a harem -- so some lesbianism is okay among female heterosexuals in a harem'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abelinc has 3 challenges remaining'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they changed in adulthood, they are probably bi'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the video 'How to brainwash a nation' by Yuri Bezmenov and Edward Griffin in 1984 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk he states that there are concentration camps in the soviet union as of the video'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then how EVERY PSYCHOLOGICAL organization in the developed world agrees with me, then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be lying, but who knows what all went on in germany after world war 2 ended?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, again...bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sort of like how if you can change from left to right handedness without any problems, you're probably ambi'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I wish to declare shenanigans on yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just cuz you state it doesn't make it so'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disagrees with Yuna
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously? You're gonna disagree with all medical associations in the Western world?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I don't need to disagree with them'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you're disagreeing with, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you seriously don't think that the medical assosications of teh Westen world agree that sexuality is not something which can be changed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since they're not disagreeing with me'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'yup. all of it. let's lump everything together.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's lump, she's lump'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And here I thought you possessed a modicum of logic, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that western medical science is both compartmentalised and big pharma corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus if this man in this video is legit, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4 , then at least canada and britain have a national hero who advocated genocide, they named a arts festival after him in ontario and he helped found the london school of economics, avid stalin supporter - compare his personality to that of what's known of stalin's, and the hitler in the 2 video's'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I do, I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'there's no personal attacks in debate. it's issues.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was he really the kind of person hitler was, or more like the enemy he taught to his people in those speeches, if they are legitimate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he had one ball, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the part of med that deal in expensive treatments might be corrupt, but the pure research part...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'rabble!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are a lot of things that set in childhood, things like language, dominant hand/eye, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure looks like it to me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'being able to truly alter these beyond the age which is sets is extremely rare.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'but able to be done.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only rarely'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dominant handedness (lol-word) is something you are born with.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you know people who've lost a dominant arm, you can ask them...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can train yourself to become proficient in the use of your OTHER hand, but that doesn't change the fact that your body was born a certain way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'rarely equals that it happens.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't think it's something you're necessarily always born with... it sets through early childhood, probably.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, it's something you are born with. You can CHANGE it by repressing your left hand (because it's always about the left hand) and train your right hand.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that doesn't change that your brain was different from that of a right-handed person at birth.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, lots of the older people in the world were born left-handed, but wouldn't be able to verify that with anything that their body or memory knows'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'things like language, for example. Most people will not be able to learn a completely different language to a native level in adulthood...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's completely different from which hand is dominant!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's more work, but the statement that most will not be able to is quite false'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what Abelinc said.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most will not make the effort to'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's friday 13th, time to go arrest some knights templar'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because fluency isn't something that we really value'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, constant use sets the "connections" in the brain a certain way, and it develops along those lines...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we learn what we need to, enough to get by on visits or at parties'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a child the brain is much more malleable. Pretty hard to change these things in adulthood'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, it's not "changing", it's "conditioning".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and we leave it well enough alone at that...it's not that we're prevented/inhibited, we just don't see the cost/benefit in getting that extra 40%'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your body is born with a certain preset. You can condition your body to be able to function in alternate ways, but your body's make-up (brain, chemistry, muscles, etc.) will still be hardwired a certain way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dominant hand, that's something one is born with.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can condition your right hand to function as well as/better than your left hand with enough training of your right hand and neglect of your left hand, but that does not change how your body works internally.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want to? other than injury'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's kinda like dying your hair and getting a straight-perm because you were born with ginger curcs or something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way or another, there are certain things which are much harder or even practically impossible to change past a certain age...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tigernuts, it was common practice for hundreds of years, up until probably 40 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because in certain parts of the world (Asia, for instance), it is an issue of great shame to be left-handed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i know'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to drum out lefties and make them conform'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my father is a leftie'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are two of my friends'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have a prof who lost his right arm...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How's his left arm working out for him?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my grandpa did everything left handed except golf...couldn't get lefty clubs when he started playing'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i'm right handed, but able to do stuff with my left easier than my peers'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this is why you should be ambidexstrous. I write and draw with my left hand. The rest I do with both hands with pretty much equal skill.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he can write with it, and do most things, but it's always a struggle to get back in practice after the summer when he's not using it to write on blackboards so much...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, we "should"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I literally cannot use a computer mouse with my left hand. I simply can't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you know, abe? Yuna and his global corporate cronies want us to all do as they say'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'not enough "repression"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, I have gas, i'd better pay Al Gore some carbon tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I put watches on with my left hand, on my right hand. No matter how much I try, I fumble with it if I try to put it on the left. It basically set in childhood.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, lady at work switches her mouse buttons, that always screws people up when they go to touch her computer'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting on your brilliant rebuttal to "Why Western psychiatric/pschological associations agree that being gay is not something you can change.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me? i didn't/am not getting involved in that argument'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would I rebut the "why" of their agreement, when the agreement doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm referring to the people who actually did get involved.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh? Find me a credible major association of either field that thinks you can change your sexual orientation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep in mind that fluid sexuality is not at issue here. It's changing your sexual orientation.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all of them'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then how Wikipedia (with sources) says otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'my aunt has Ph. D. as a psychologist. quote 'its all BS' '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Find where where it says it can be chanegd, then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I do wonder to what extent pollution, especially stuff like xenoestrogens, are affecting the number of kids who "set" the "wrong" way...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'find me a SINGLE major association that expressively say it can be changed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could probably alter someone's sexual preference with hormones'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that wouldn't be a part of psychology/psychiatry.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that wiki article starts with multiple exclamation points, then it goes on to state that they recommend counciling that "You're normal, you're OK, it's not a disease", then goes on to "But if you want to change, after I give you caveats, here is how we can go about it"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can turn someone into a homocidal maniac with drugs. Irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only temporarily, unless you can find a way to actually change the brain's structure in adulthood.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'places won't expressively put out negative things about it's own subjeft.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no you can't, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you could do that... welcome to my new (biological) robot army!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't mean "mainstream" drugs. I mean drugs specifically designed to mess up your brain chemistry to elicit certain behaviours.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'holy crap, drugs don't do that. '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some people go nuts in response to certain drugs and can become homocidal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Whether they're "mainstream" or pharmaceutical). That's how drugs work.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally medical types view a disease as something which actually causes problems for the individual...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'their own response. '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, and still, no you can't...you can change propensity, you cannot "turn someone into a homicidal maniac"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'yuna....go read http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'not psychologicaly.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also,. Abelinc, that's not what Wikipedia says at all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you probably could... not with hormones, but with something stronger...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say effexor has the highest post-prescription suicide rate of any antidepressant, and is even being prescribed to teenagers now without the need for a psychiatric evaluation, by family doctors'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It does not say that hard-wired sexuality can change. Only that one's perception of one's sexuality can.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chemosh, put "glaxosmithkline bribery" into google'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's possible that it amplifies the negativity in people, especially with developing brain chemistry'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the issues we have to consider here is what people mean by a "cure"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not gonna read 5 pages of text, Eureka. Break it down for me?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh yuna, back to pretending about distinctions without a difference'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'change topics, scattered arguements. '
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll say this: Article is almost a decade old. Psychiastry and psychology is constantly evolving. Some organizations didn't join the "Cannot change" wagon 'til just a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can you cure something that isn't a problem? Does a superficial treatment of the symptoms count as a cure? etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no medical association has joined the "cannot change" wagon'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're suggesting is that psychology is subject to 'fashion''
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'no one knows yuna, even now. all 'experiments' can be skewed to the results you need'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Abelinc, Master of Gay Studies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they have joined the "should not change", and "it's OK not to change" wagon, absolutely'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'quit personal attacking.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tigernuts, what I suggest is that psychology, like all scientific fields, can be wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they correct themselves from time to time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'science, proper science, is almost never wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When it comes to theories? Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, tigernuts, that's total bunk'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'elvolving technology means that a lot of things that be believe are immutable may be changed in the future... The technology to change someone's sexuality will probably come in the era of direct brain manipulation...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'you were just backing the major institutions on their point to not change sexuality.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts winks at Drunk'ing Abel.
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a frightening era with brainwashed armies, if we're not careful!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'physical sciences tend to be less subject to changing opinions'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it's less open to interpretation, except at the meta-edges'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"All major national mental health organizations have officially expressed concerns about therapies promoted to modify sexual orientation. To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective."'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Straight from the APA's website.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and the world is flat, the sun revolves around it, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'and you just said psycology could be wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world's been round for 4000 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thank you yuna, so you agree :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... they condemn "ex-gay" therapy, they say no form of "ex-gay" therapy has ever been proved to be effective. Sounds like "It doesn't work" to me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what they said...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they said exactly what I stated they said'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'but you said it could be wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '" To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation is safe or EFFECTIVE."'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only wrong when it doesn't agree with him'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'agreed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does not say "it doesn't work", nor does it say "you cannot"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'FrT, the issue at hand is not whether or not they are right at this very instant. It is whether they agree with me that sexual identity is immutable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it says exactly what I stated at 15:21:14'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they did NOT say that it is immutable'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal i could care less about sexuality, who/where people choose to stick their utensils, provided it isn't in me, and isn't into a child, i don't care'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they said "we dunno"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'but you can't throw the right or wrong issue out when dealing with it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can "cure" free will too, for that matter. I suspect your definition of "cure" is not the usual one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is what reasonable people would expect them to say'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'll go the PC route and not call it a cure, as nobody in this thread is calling it a disease or something which must be cured'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, then Abelinc. They agree that there exists currently zero viable ways to change one's sexual identity through therapy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Happy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they didn't say that'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had 28 applications for a job vacancy, and only 1 was female, so you best start calling me sexist'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What? "To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective."'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you demanding they use terms like "Does not work"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can legalized assisted-suicide along with opt-out organ donation legislation in some districts in england be severely abused?  who decide's who lives or dies?  with all the other streamlined processes i wonder just how good it'll be in the future, for people with moderate impairments or people with none at all who they see the organs of as being their only real value?  do you think there's safeguards against those corruptions which have happened in the past, even present day chinese prisoners?  considering the absence of safeguards against so much that they get away with?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, I think a cure needs to involve two things... first, there must be an underlying adverse condition. Secondly, the cure has to address the root cause rather than just the symptoms.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're quite intently NOT using terms like that, because they have NOT determined that it does not work, nor that it is not viable'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hospitals in England routinely euthenise patients, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, cutting off someone's left hand does not cure him of left-handedness...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Not effective" is quite telling...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they're not even stating that it's not effective...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're stating that they have not adequately studied it to determine if it's effective'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "There exists no CURRENT method..." was too Canadian French pour vous?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, the part where that is *NOT* the crux of their statement'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I concede that they're not actually saying it's been proven that sexuality cannot be changed. They are saying that there is CURRENTLY no known effective method.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a person is able to communicate a yes or a no themselves, able to move at all and therefore kill themselves, i don't see why they'd be legalizing assisted suicide for other than malevolent purposes - sure, some people live in pain, but why would they make it their initiative to change the law so that somebody will kill them?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the crux of their statement is "there has been no scientifically adequate research"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which, in scientific terms, is pretty much "It's not working... but we could we wrong."'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a side note - "no evidence to support (blah)" is scientist-pc-speak for "it keeps failing our tests"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is what I claimed, and goes against what you claimed'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if the government provided the tools for a painless death and people who are able and want to die could use them themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"To show".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's just infinite avenues for corruption and abuse'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a muddled sentence, but it's pertty much saying "There's not enough credible research that proves there are effective ways to 'cure' 'the gay'".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're not saying that there's no enough research into the field.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, sonshi, not in the APA's case, in which case there's never evidence to support blah, particularly when they waffle on the topic'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't say that something doesn't work, because you can't tell if the effect is just too small to be observed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the major part of their statement is just being PC and saying "don't fix them, they're not broken"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, sure, whatever. Homosexuality and be changed. Praise Jebus!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if he's who you're relying on, and that's your belief of homosexuality, sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're saying... heterosexuality can be changed with therapy as well? With enough therapy, YOU might become gay?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg. If you flip a coin 100 times in 3 separate instances, and you get 54,47,51 heads, can you conclude the coin is not biased?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least you're consistent.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the true mean is .5007, you'd need a much larger sample size to tell...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course I am'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Coin tosses are not 50/50.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which side you start the toss on determines the probabilities.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'indeed, so the only thing you can say is "there's no evidence that the coin is biased"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't say "the coin is fair"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you toss the coin with heads down, there's a larger chance of the coin landing heads up. Or the other way 'round (heads -> tails). I cannot remember.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why scientists seem to waffle so much...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the point is: It's not a true 50/50.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when the topic being "researched" is psychological, the criteria being "measured" is measured by asking the subjects or observing the subjects...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You really think therapy (with the absence of drugs) can chance what attracts a person?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so whether someone's depression is "cured" by heroin or if they just don't care about their problems while high, which is the determination?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if anything, i think it'd be better for every single person who wants assisted suicide to appear before a jury of citizens and a panel of psychiatrists/psychologists and doctor's that know about their condition, and then their reason given or argued by a lawyer and questions by the jury or panel of professionals answered one by one, so they can see why assistance is required, what the problem is and not have a 'tax-cutting streamlined process' which has been severely abused in the early 20th century in america among other places'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'drugs have never been precluded in any of my statements...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Therapy".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but yes, people often change their likes/dislikes without external drugs'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause there's probably some people who want to die for a little while and then don't really want to die after that while passes and things like that, it's good to evaluate whether or not the manslaughter is justificed on a case by case basis'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Therapy does not include drugs. That's medication.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) like hell it doesn't, (2) "therapy" was not part of the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ONLY discussion was "Yuna sez CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT CHANGE!!!!!!!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anything less than 100% on that favors me'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Therapy was never a part of the discussion?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is as far back as I can go: "All major national mental health organizations have officially expressed concerns about THERAPHIES..."'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I also mentioned ex-gay THERAPHY.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you did claim that it could be cured if they really wanted to...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I didn't. I said it could be REPRESSED.''
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi means me'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which said nothing precluding any types of therapy...and drug therapy is THERAPY'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you can't really call it much a a cure when there's no disease to begin with, you're only treating the symptoms, and the "cure" is worse than the condition.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, I was speaking of psychological and psychiatric therapy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for some people the "cure" is not worse than the condition'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I must've gotten confused about how that automatically includes drug therapy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'psychiatric therapy also still includes drugs'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why do you guys figure lethal injection drugs are imported from europe, where bernard shaw was from?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16281016 would it be maybe cheaper to have some of their military college harvard chemist graduates develop the drug as a civil service to the government their education was funded by?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And changing one's behaviour through constant medicination IS NOT CHANGING.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's still REPRESSION.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'phychologists don't prescribe, psychiatrists do'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in those cases, it's usually society that makes the condition bad enough that they desire the "cure"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't like Bernard Shaw do you, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are medicating your your brain to alter your behavior to REPRESS it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, if that was really him in that video, and he wasn't acting but being real, then nah'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not CHANGING your behaviour because the minute you stop taking the drugs, your body will start behaving the way it's hardwired to behave.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, to the person seeking help, whether it's society as the root cause is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yeah, my argument pretty much excluded drugs from the get-go.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nice try'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably... nonetheless, the root causes aren't addressed. It's not a cure, much like an asthma inhaler is a cure for asthma...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what are the root causes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not until they can really fiddle around with the brain structure itself. A terrifying prospect?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are generally not known root causes for much of psychiatry'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so nobody's ever psychiatrically cured of anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ultimately, it's due to something or the other in the brain, after all...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So now you're arguing that changing your behaviour through constant drug therapy is actual change and not simple repression?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is why nobody ever says you can be cured of mano-depression. Because you simply cannot. You can only learn to live with it, often with drug therapy. The drugs do not cure you, they do not change you. They repress your depression (usually).'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Once you stop taking them, they stop repressing your depression and you're back to where you started.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there may be circumstances in which it's possible though, but not really possible to do reliably with current tech.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, with drug what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you pump a kid full of xenoestrogens from birth, I'm reasonably certain that's going to affect his mind significantly...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Psychological/Psychiatric therapy =/= Drug therapy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I made it very clear that I was talkign about psychological and psychiatric therapy only.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'psychiatric therapy *OFTEN* includes drug therapy'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'antidepressants are wack'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, even if we DO include drug therapy under the umbrella term "therapy", it DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S REPRESSION.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your definition of psychiatric therapy is simply wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I've argued FROM THE START that you cannot CHANGE sexual orientation, simply REPRESS it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SSRi's are one of the biggest threats to public health'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Drugs do not change people unless they inflict permanent brain damage. They REPRESS behaviour.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as an aside, it's amusing that the ones most against sexual "deviancy" and those who are polluting the environment with mind-altering chemicals (and resisting regulation) are mostly found in the same party...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least in the us'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yes, doctors have used even your definition of psychological/psychiatric therapy to change desires for a hundred years, successfully'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not, as it goes'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except, you know, the APA says that they are not proven to actually WORK.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, REPRESSION.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: not quite true'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So now you're saying you CAN change someone's sexual orientation simply through talk-talky therapy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many methods for accomplishing it simply aren't legal or condoned'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You said MY definition. MY definition doesn't include bullshit methods that are illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I never said you couldn't, I just will not preclude it being supplemented'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legality is largely irrelevent as it depends on jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you lock someone in a basement and apply some pavlovian conditioning...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be illegal in 49 states though!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, that's repression.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many asylums were quite successful in permanently changing people's desires, not just their behaviors, using very brutal therapies'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They brain will not magically start working differently.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, it's not magical'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You condition the brain to react in a specific way psychologically. But chemically, your brain remains the same... unless you damaged it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the brain learns, the brain changes'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, it's not a cure, but it's a treatment... which is what abelinc really meant by his misuse of the word "cure"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A moose once bit my sister'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it builds its pathways'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not for all things, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, I've not been the one calling this a cure, and have actively refuted that word in this discussion'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you keep trying to push that, and you're quite misplaced'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you did say that it could be cured if they really wanted to...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you switched to discussing something else in the last half hour, I must've missed it...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '0h 25'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, yuna used cured, I responded'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but sure, if you think that's what I've stated, you gofor it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hey, Michelle Bachmann thinks gays can be cured from being gay and has said so in interviews. Obviously, ALL Republicans thing that.''
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think I used "cured" (with sarcastic quote marks) once and then "change" every single time after that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you didn't? fuck you'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's keep it christmassy'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? I said that Michelle Bachmann thinks that. NOT THAT IT CAN BE DONE, you FUCKTARD.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going lie, and then try claiming that I said it, then fuck off'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bowlathon Oladon: 'Quit with the personal attacks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look oot! it's the rozzers!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you should've used a different term in your response, because a cure is wrong with existing tech...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote me once where I claimed YOU'd used the term "cure".'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, which I stated multiple times during the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except you just said that I used the term and then told me to fuck off. And then immediately followed it it by calling someone a liar.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you *DID* use the term. That's what started the conversation'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then, what are you? I said Michelle Bachmann thinks you can be cured of homosexuality to mock Michelle Bachmann, not as an argument for and against it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi was not saying who's used the word "cure" but who's used it as a term for what is and isn't possible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He or she believes you've argued that homosexuality can be cured.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... (Debate) Abelinc: 'well, gays CAN be "cured" from being gay...if they choose to' I didn't see the bachmann comment easrlier, but saw it in my logs...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'To which you responded with "Yuna used that word", to which I replied with "No I didn't [use it as an argument]" as a response to both of you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And hey, look what Sonshi just dug up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna, sonshi's referring to the use of the term, not about which "side"'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As an ARGUMENT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't using it as an argument but to mock Bachmann's inasnity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well okay, as long as no one really thinks it's a real cure.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never use "reverse sarcasm" is a debate -- as the sarcasm shall likely be ignored, and you may be credited with supporting the that which you later attempt to deny you supported -- too late by then'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: sonshi's current thread is that "cure" (whether or not change is possible) is wrong because it's not a disease/condition that is wrong to be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While Abelinc doesn't use the term, he certainly thinks homosexuality can be permanently changed, with or without drugs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I made those very same comments earlier, yet sonshi decided to believe that I'm CALLING it a cure because it's a disease'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also that the underlying difference in structure cannot be fixed by current tech.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and to that, I will vehemently respond with the statements that were actually made, rather than what was interpreted'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc used "cure" in quotes after Yuna quoted Michelle Bachman is support of a cure'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by use of the Yuna practice of gainsay extrapolation: bipartisan Yuna likely unwittingly believes a cure is possible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks zade, we covered that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wrote a lengthy email to my MP about the Draft Communications Bill and the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe, go shout at your mp about the comms bill!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger the noise, the better'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's MP?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well my MP is George Freeman, but I guess you'd need to shout at your own'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'member of parliament?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I don't have one of those :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys have a SOPA replacement coming up, best bewarey of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 2 year german bonds are now paying negative .5 %'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'denmark actually has a negative nominal rate on some deposits. Charging people for the privilege of depositing with them'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not alone'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start of the end'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, hundreds of years ago, banks used to charge you for deposits, not the other way around.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was back when people used precious metals as money, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'over 150 years ago, the first banks owned by sole props paid 2% interest to depositers to get them to deposit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when you try to make your currency as solid as tangible assets like gold, this is what happens...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first banks in the US owned by 1 person that is...in small and medium sized towns paid interest to get people to join...the small banks then loaned that money to other people at higher rates of interest...and the spread was kept....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks used to provide physical safety'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, banks started paying interest about the same time as countries started using paper money'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you didnt pay your $100 loan back, you would lose your farm which was used to secure the loan in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in hindsight, moving away from the gold standard and allowing fractional reserve banking was a mistake'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'used to be that if you wanted to keep your gold with the medicis, they'd charge you for it, AND they'd lend it out for interest.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but now, banks do not earn money from loaning out money....they make money from fees charged on holding your money, and from credit cards, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why the amount of mortgages is down 50% since 2008, because banks realize fees is how they can make safer profits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the main reason why mortgages are down is because banks have stopped lending 50k to people without jobs, among other things'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you realise that the mortgage bubble was all a big deliberate fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'merely the natural result of some measure of sanity returning to the market after that massive market failure'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it was an uncoordinated fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't say it was deliberate...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'actually, the mortgage bubble was intentional.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'look at what paul krugman said in the run up'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, exactly'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'he said we needed another bubble to replace the last one'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like the banks lost out when the debts went bad, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way it happened was that banks realised it could sell the mortgages to unsuspecting investors who swallowed these up, with ratings assigned by raters who had little understanding of statistics'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and greenspan agreed - he slashed interest rates in 2001.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so they just lent money to everyone with a warm body who walked in through their doors, then sold them to people who did not have a clue where the mortgages came from'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you mean to o tell me that the bank ceos had no idea what was going on?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they did'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'unbelievable'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'krugman did warn about this 6 years or so back, along with other major economists, but no one was listening at the time'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too busy enjoying the bubble'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i'm not just saying he warned about it - he called for the bubble. he said that there was a lack of aggregate demand, and that the fed needed to slash interest rates to cover the demand'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interest rates didn't cause the bubble...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'banks lending money to people who didn't have jobs, and investors willing to buy the debt with no clue where they came from, did.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'of course they did. you think in a free banking system, banks could have given out 1-2% ARMs with no money down?'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it really didn't matter if the interest rate was 1% or 50%, if they had no intention or ability to repay the debt'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's not a sustainable practice for any period of time in a free market. the banks get run on way sooner. the cheap money came from somewhere - the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's supply and demand, you see... and the people buying the mortgages mostly didn't bother to check the quality'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the real blowup happened when ARMs reset. people could actually pay the 2% interest rate, but they couldn't pay 6%.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what you're saying is true'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'but it's a symptom of the underlying problem, which was cheap credit from the fed'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people with no jobs can't even pay 2% though... the quality of the debt was really terrible...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even with plenty of credit, if market participants do the legwork, there should not be any severe problems'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys need to end the Fed'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of countries have been running low interest rates for years or even decades with no significant ill effects'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you can't build a a market on the honor system. risk is an adequate counter balance to greed, but if you try to take away the risk, don't be surprised when greed spirals out of control'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol. like japan? we'll see how long they can pull that off'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'low interest rates here are causing real-terms decreases in wealth, wages, and living conditions'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'japan has been running low interest rates for decades, for example, and somehow they still have persistently low inflation...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'japan, for instance, has mostly internal debt, and savings rates to support it'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'U.S. saving rates are garbage. we're eating through our seed crop right now. the u.s. is nothing like japan.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the savings is coming largely from the upper class... they have very high savings rates'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'sure. but look at the u.s. even poor people have credit cards'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order to deleverage, there needs to be some transfer between the classes, but that's not going to go down too well...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you simply can't build an economy on debt'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there was a significant redistribution of weath, it is not likely that the poor would borrow as much... one result of an unbalanced economy is that the wealthier segments have more savings than normal, which translates into more credit available for lending...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'addressing the gap would help create economic incentives to deleverage...'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one might also notice that countries with a more balanced distribution tend, on average, to have less of a credit problem... I suspect the causality runs that way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is especially true in larger countries, where it more closely resembles a closed system. Smaller, open countries can avoid many of the constraints of a closed system'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer!'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I need to stop mischanning this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Buffy the Ass Slayer'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'leave my donkeys alone....:('
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let the right one in.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I gave two.'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Buffy can buff my vampire any time :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Buff my stake" would've been better.'
T3/r7/2012-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Amy and what's-his-face did not live in Sunnydale.'
T3/r7/2012-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 76 year old won the $4.6 million megabucks slots in las vegas in 1989....then at age 92, he won the $21 million megabucks slots in las vegas in 2005....the only two time megabucks slots winner ever.'
T3/r7/2012-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he died 6 minutes later?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a natgas field discovered off the coast of mozambique is estimated to have around 60 trillion cubic feet of gas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, makes you think that the supplied of natgas approaches infinity :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'supply*'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another fine day'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how more we'll have before the takedown'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'groan, people are thick'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on BBC HYS harping on about how it is great that Tahrir Square is controlled by the workers'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they seem to have missed the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood got into power, not the workers'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Muslim Brotherhood will never rule Egypt while the military is still being funded by Western powers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'as diablo forums would suggest... need more authenticator on muslims leaving their "breeding grounds"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will have power, Hiliary Mussolini Clinton is actively promoting it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they fit right in with her nazi doctrine'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'pointless view... all politicials are a failboat its very rare to see a compitent person in charge that actually goes anywhere and not gets stomped by fat old farts who think candle is a keen invention'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'politicians*'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced of the whole technology argument'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political ideology doesn't have a lot to do with technology'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'not the point'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom is freedom, tyranny is tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology just changes the topology of the battlefield'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alters the natures of some of the fights'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'most of our dear senate and rep house are old farts that serve no purpuse there... except maybe keeping chairs warm'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was having an interesting chat with a friend the other night about how the descent into the police state this time is different thanks to technology'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'heh its easier and less visible'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how the technology and it's "selling to the public" are obfuscating that descent'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'there are cameras/logs/tabs everywhere... and people dont know/care about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'you cant take a piss w/o somebody knowing about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, and you can say that to think it was planned and people say that's ac onspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but planned or not, CT or not, it's happening'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drive a bus over a cliff, people die, whether you did it deliberately or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'yep... and people are either in denial thinking its for their own good or just dont care'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'i think this is exactly how it was depicted in 1984/callocain/brazil etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, useful idiots liek Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a whole bunch of books from the 1920s through to the 1960s that accurately predicted the effects of technology on society'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama seeks to criminalise people for websites/blogs/emails that contain hyperlinks to websites containing copyright-infringing material'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Republicans in congress are already contemplating criminalising the practice of journalism'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good thing obama can't make laws then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dafuq. In Michian in 1999, a man was charged with "obscenity". The crime? "Swearing in front and women and children". He actually had to show up to court for that shit. He didn't even yell at them, his canoe overturned and swore into the air. The Hell is wrong with some people (the people who charged him)?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the corporate lawyers quell civilian individuality while ignoring their advertising and things?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's part of stalinism'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, apparently, he was CONVICTED. An appeal's court saw reason and threw out the decision, though. What a bunch of fuckwits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Michigan taxpayer money at work, people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you think that's offensive, armed and dangerous monsanto henchment cross-pollinate fields of non-paying farmers themselves and then go to court where the judge always rules in their stalinism favour'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even burn down people's barns and things in saskatchewan'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the police investigations can't link 2 crimes within a week as being corporate arson, cause russia's bottomless bank account says so'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Brilliant, now Monsato is Russian.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watched a video on aljazeera the other day about 'putins money' which had a former city counsellor from st.petersberg show signed documents as proof of misdirected aid money and stuff, which is stalinism, and she died a week later'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'claims he's the richest man in europe and possibly earth'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of thing happens across the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens in America too'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Defines African politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact it happens everywhere doesn't justify it, but just wanted to reinforce what you already knew that it's a myth that it's something that only happens in 'bad' countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, research stalin and look at his strategies and methods, he's not much different than the media monsters and land-grabbing corporations'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why i think of him whenever i see things like b.p getting christmas bonuses for awesome performances the year of gulf oil spill'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or various small farmers being sued out of their land by monsanto, who the judge never goes again'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'st*'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Merck being fined $3bn for making $127bn profit off vaccines that had their efficacy/safety tests faked?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is a public service announcement: Please stop engaging conspiracy theorists in "debate". It's not going to end up well for either side.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or was it GSK being fined $3bn for bribing doctors? i forget, so many bribary cases involving large corps now'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yuna, we would have to completely remove this channel'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libor scandal was conspiracy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be supoprting this, yuna, when corporations have financial clout on the same order of magnitude, or higher, than the countries they operate in, then the free market system breaks down'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a trendy lefty you should know this'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another fun one is the government turning the police into pimps as it turns various neighbourhoods in canada into red-light districts of amsterdam ww2 propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna got some 'relevent non-conspiracy' issues he wants to bring up?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that are vaguely important?)'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about pornography conspiracy, prostitution is illegal but after they challenged the porn industry, the kgb's demoralization strategy demanded that they allow for porn'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just a Stalinist ideal to ban everything they find objectionable (except for the objectionable things that they themselves might want to engage in)'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the people who direct and organize the industry of demoralization are millionairres and billionairres who then buy all the other industries on earth, like cocaine dealers'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ukraine's what happens when you turn the police into stalinist pimps and stuff, but the government of canada's smarter than ww2'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so they're just plain old trash that should have been the victims of the last 100 years of genocide, that's understandable, as is their black magic brainwashing turning somebody else into the fuel for the future furnaces'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shame for anyone who lives in rural USA. If you allow UN Agenda 21 to go through, which Bush and Clinton have already signed off on without Congress approval.... you won't be living there for many more years, you'll have your property rights revoked and the land essentially stolen from you'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is what they did in the 1930's in the ussr'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those who don't read up on the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exhibit one'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points excitedly at Summoner Yuna!
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '-'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people, who tend to have lower incomes. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you agree with racism?  part of the reason why obama pledges 4 billion in african infrastructure, might be related to this article about mining companies operating in zimbabwe required to be 51% owned and operated by black zimbabwean's, not white zimbabweans'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so of course that might be part of a bribery initiative and a yearly homage to a racist nation in the future'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is one of the reasons school curriculums are being dumbed down, especially with Maths'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck aer you talking about? It's the LESS educated who consume more. Unless we're talking about the truly rich who own their own private planes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because native there probably means what native american means, doesn't matter where you're from'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry Yuna, the UN disagrees with you'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and old a global social scale, they're right'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The less educated drive less fuel efficient cars because of ignorance and being unable to afford better cards. The poor and lazy (in the U.S.) also refuse to eat healthy foods.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can use the same argument to say that "more intelligent people drive new Prius hybrids because they're fuel efficient and environmentally friendly"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'china's eager acceptance of their conditions might cause america to convert to racism to compete in africa?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oblivious to the fact that the fabrication process of batteries in the Prius alone will cause more pollution than will be saved by the car in it's entire life.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wasn't that basically what I just said, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, if you wanted ecologically friendly products with minimum airmiles, you'd think governments would actively support and promote home-grown foods, farmers markets, food collectives, and local industry, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are they actively taxing them more?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actively shutting them down'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what country?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And on what grounds?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sustainability and pollution and stuff, the whole system was intentionally worked to be unsustainable in the last 50 years - as an example, farmers used to have grain elevators within 10-20 miles of their crops, = less fuel for transport = a locomotive can travel 100 miles on 1 litre of fuel, and flour?  now they send it all 400 miles away to be processed, various other things, they found it's cheaper to move the gears of the industry further away from it's source resulting in higher fuel consumption'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or rather, in what states?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anything they can possibly find, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'predominantly California, but others too'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already had considerable legislation in the UK that made local food co-ops impractical'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then it's not a government problem, it's a state problem.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you either buy the antibiotic infested crap from the supermarkets or you go hungry'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, yuna, it's being ENFORCED by the FEDS'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'locomotives can't travel 100 miles on a litre of fuel.  Maybe 100 ton-miles, but not 100 miles.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are all kinds of jurisdictional arguments going on at the moment in the US, it's quite interesting'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right now Arizona is embroiled in a fight with the national government because the national government refuses to do anything with illegal aliens that Arizona state troopers arrest'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on a empty load i read in national geographic CP engines can'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounded impossible to me too, but i read it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'you read wrong, then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas was threatened with an air embargo when they initially voted not to allow TSA workers to grope children and women's genitals at airports in Texas'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'or they wrote wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'they meant ton-miles'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Obamacare might push some states over the edge, and for everyone's sake over there, I hope it does'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nice, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard latino-american's in las angeles bleeding-heart calling for death to the white - race'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they have alot of listeners too, and with more and more immigrants, probably have more and more support from the federal government to eradicate them'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I see the Republican spirit runs strong in you. "I hope Obama fails so we can play the hero". How about you hope his policies work so you get a better country?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the states are much in the same position that the UK is with EU'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't work, they're not designed to work'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he only needed come and ask the Brits about the specifics of implementation of national healthcare, ask the old-guard left wing here about how things are now, and they'd say DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT!'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come john f kennedy was the last president to notice misappropriation of aid-funding to haiti, and his successor's started it up again?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says on papa doc's wikipedia page that he claimed to have placed a voodoo curse on jfk, after the assassination'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some say JFK was the last independent US president'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say lee harvey oswald was a communist/stalinist black military officer'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he defected to russian ideologies, which america was using haiti to combat'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LHO was involved with some kind of plot down in New Orleans regarding vaccines'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a book about it somewhere, forget the name'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Dr Mary's Monkey" by Ed Haslam'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out though: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2012/04/2012418859194318.html In search of Putin's money - if you're interested, it doesn't say how the woman died a week after talking about her documents from st.petersbourgh'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does mention the kgb and stuff in it though, oil companies that exxon does business with/trades contracts'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've been trying to figure out who's in charge of what i hate in the world by studying the past, and while i don't have any absolute answers i don't give it all to racists at least'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another interesting video's about this emerald czar in colombia, it's just amazing to see like 50-100 million bucks worth of emeralds sittin in front of the guy on the video nonchalantly'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tbh, that Putin had vast fortunes, probably garnered from fraud or crime, went withotu saying'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he claims to have stayed away from narcotics and things though, seems like a reasonable guy from the video'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'narcotics get a bad press'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read on bbc or aljazeera documentary that russian officials extort businesses there and abroad for upwards of 200 billion dollars per year'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's before whatever legitimate money they make from their (non) communist crown corporations'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well from wikileaks, russia is essenially a mafia-state. I don't think anyone was surprised'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'read about shares in india crown oil corporation being given it in south america by russia too, so seems these corporations are a chain of command much like communism'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, poor russians'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and other states are becoming more and more like mafia states every day'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indefinite detention without trial of 'terror suspects''
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what constitutes terrorist and why do they require no jury evaluates the situation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'easily abuseable, especially in the future with the legislation already there'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't give jury trials here for many local courts'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have stop/search without a warrant'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like that communist gulag going around and finding some drugs that aren't there on the political opponents/undesireables'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're about to start recording every txt, email, skype, web visit, search entry, for a year'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about that on bbc the other day, they claim upwards of 80% of people charged in russia of drug-related offenses, have those drugs planted on them after detention by the police'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then who investigates the police?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, that's not limited to Russia, happens in the US too'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, rotten lies for laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with american population spending 20 dollars per day on taxes, the government makes over 25 billion dollars'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much of all of that is readily available for sourcing and seeing exactly how it's spent?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how peoples taxes are spent seems a democratic concern, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read up on Frank Serpico for details of institutional involvement of polics with pushing drugs'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god damn welfare bums'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, monitoring the internet's something ethiopea does pretty good, so i guess it's best that everybody else looks for political opponents on their chinese government internets, nevermind actual corrupt people'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i do my bit to wind them up, https everywhere, use startpage not google'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the law comes in, i'll start using a 3rd party web proxy'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1929-1939 stalin genocides people (dekulakization) who have moderate property, promising people with less than moderate property that they will be employes of stalin after the holocaust, then he starves employees of stalin to death in holodomor cause he had a surplus supply of them (industrialization, automation, outsourced), then he genocides anybody who has anything bad to say about his wisdom (great purge) searching for political opponents, dissidents of his glory and volatile opinions, also censoring foreign media so that his version of the outside world is the only one they see'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is maybe not just limited to stalinism, but some older trend of the world?  i guess'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's what i see in the world today, conspiracy or not it's written in history and seems to be repeating itself'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's what i picked up anyways, how come entire governments don't look for those trends in theirselves?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it will require people like Yuna being subjected to arbitrary police brutality and checkpoints demanding "papers", and people randomly being disappeared before he'll bring himself to admitting it is happening'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the public is absolutely uneducated into stalinism, while it's taught about nazi and other things'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't educated into the origins of naziism either'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'grandparents maybe included russian ww2 survivor crimes in their school curriculum's, but lately?  i never heard of it except on the hollywood movie 'stalin''
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in 1982 or so they made a memorial to holodomor victims in edmonton'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a very good reason they don't teach origins and reasons for things like nazi germany'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would lead to some uncomfortable truths'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think about it, there's 5 million or so jews in america and maybe 1 million in canada, but there is probably over 10 million ukrainian immigrants in america and 3-5 million in canada, and the history of the suffrage of the jews is taught in school, and negro's to majority white european immigrant descendents who were not responsible for black slavery, but nothing to do with holodomor/great purge/dekulakization'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that some kind of .. what exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'educational history racism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'inequality measurement?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come they don't teach it all, if it's a thing of the past?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to amnesty international i guess it might not be'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice, democratic canada -> A new report says arcane rules are keeping MPs in the dark about the billions in government spending they should be scrutinizing.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/15/parliament-mp-costs.html 'memorandum of understanding' Memorandum Of Understanding On Bilateral Cooperation In Private Sector Industrial Research & Development http://www.agr.gc.ca/cb/index_e.php?s1=n&s2=2012&page=n120502 and http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/08/pol-peres-ottawa-cp-tuesday.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only are the people who pay the taxes oblivious to where is the 25 billion per day spent, even the politicians they elect are'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from their closed-source political spectrum'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes, Canada is a communist Hell. Be quiet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what to do, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing to do'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're the almighty god of earth'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna won't solve it, he's being paid off by them'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve it by passing some gay rights legislation, Chemosh, that usually helps, or banning home schooling'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah right, the things that really matter'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody should feel affected by those issues, at least education - who doesn't want a unithink communist nation?  conform or be great purge'd'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's understandable that some home-schooling might be actually pretty negative, but i think in general parents make better teachers than strangers working for stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Chemosh, you should be glad - spiralling unemployment, erosion of property rights, everyone to live in a box provided by the state, restricted on what they can eat, drink, consume, say or think'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's fine provided gay marriage is called "marriage" and not "civil partnership"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because words are important, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tiger Nuts, there's almost not a single jurisdiction where civil partnership gives all of the rights and responsibilities as marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does here'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it was invented'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it was invented as a compromise.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was invented to afford gay couples identical legal rights to heterosexual married couples'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean British civil partnership, not the concept of civil partnership.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i mean british civil partnership'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if it''
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if it's just the same thing, why not just make marriage gender-neutral? Why make it separate but equal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the british state is entwined with the church of england'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you see, that's not true equality. "The church says so" is not a valid reason.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, no, they're not entirely legal. For some idiotic reason, civil partnership ceremonies cannot include religious readings, music or symbols. The Hell?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a whole different question. legally they have the same status'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had to guess, i would say that the omission of the word "marriage" was to try and avoid the inevitable storm of protests from religious groups, similar to what Germany is going through with it's ban on circumcisions'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 's'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the sum total of your dissent with it is ownership of the word "marriage", then there's a far smaller real issue than you think'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, same-sex adoption rights for couples is not yet equal in Northern Ireland because of their separate laws governing adoption. So not entire equal yet in the British Isles.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a jurisdictional issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But I've never really criticized the issue of gay marriage in the U.K., now have I?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Simply that the U.K. does not yet have full equality. A gender-neutral marriage statute would go a long way to achieve that, shitstorms from religious groups be damned. The Church acts like they invented the concept of and word "marriage". They didn't, so they should just STFU.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'who did \'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an intolerant attitude if ever i heard it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, aren't heterosexual couples barred from civil partnership for some reason?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not afaik'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think I read about a British couple who wanted to  get a civil partnership a year or so ago but couldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wikipedia: "A civil partnership is a relationship between two people of the same sex"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about a brother/sister who weren't allowed to get married in the netherlands or germany'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they found out they were related later on'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bum darts is socially acceptable but incest.. i don't know'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is literally separate but not equal. Only heterosexuals can get married and only gays and lesbians can get civil partnerships.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're basically saying "You're gay, so you can have this thing which is JUST like marriage. But it's separate!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's disgraceful, don't worry about warmongers stirring up ethnic/religious cleansing in Syria! Some weirdo's couldn't get a civil partnership!'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And no heteros can get it because it was specially made JUST for you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a stupid debate. "There's this and that going on, so we shouldn't be concerned about these other things."'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you should probably listen to the people involved'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in poll after poll when asked about this, gay co-habiting and civil partnered gay people in this country said "couldn't give a flying shit" about not being "married" '
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, they demand that every single country in the world spend all of their politician's time and power on helping them and doing absolutely nothing else?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most considered themselves married regardless'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's any comfort, i feel the same way about proposed reform of House of Lords'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Sources? 2) if they considered themselves married, then that means they want to BE married. But they can't have that word.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly pointless, nobody cares, wouldn't change or improve a thing, and is an entirely politicaly driven scheme and a waste of time'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is it a major problem? No. But the fact that it's a problem to begin with is laughable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't want to get involved in an ongoing dispute in the real world, so i won't go so far as to call her "an embodiment of the absolutely worst stereotypes of the abuses that women inflict on reasonable men"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck are you talking about now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to hold two debates at once'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'You're not a woman are you, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would explain a few things'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how is 'madonna swastika faces lawsuit' top news?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's a freedom of speech/expression land which isn't a government institution?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because oddly swastikas are bad'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because French extremists are touchy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big deal, if she was defaming stalin now, that would be news'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The lawsuit is not because she used a swastika, it's that she super-imposed it on Marine Le Pen, leader of a pretty much neo-nazi French party.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see swastika's all over south park cartoons and adolf hitler fornicating with satan in hell, what's the touchy issue about defaming people with the swastika?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, top news where? On MTV.com and other celebrity/music-based blogs, webpages, TV channels, etc.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about jewish people calling anybody who disagrees with their synagogue-think democracy a anti-semetic, they don't make top news for calling people who disagree with them nazi's, whether or not alleged nazi's had ancestors who fought against hitler in ww2'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the fact that she MIGHT face a lawsuit doesn't mean it won't immediately me thrown out of court upon first review.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The question is rather: Why are you making a big deal out of non-news?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they put it there like gay marriage is the most pressing issue in <insert nation here> for the purpose of mind-control, and that's what i think it's for'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, who are "they"? MTV.com? NME?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what issue would you like to bring up, then, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHO is making this "top news" besides celebrity and/or music-centric organizations?''
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mtv's actually protected by homeland security in america, part of the memorandum's of understanding'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as all the major casino's in las vegas meet once a month with israeli special forces according to cities of the underworld'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wouldn't bring up what's obviously NOT top news and complain that CERTAIN people are reporting on it as if it were top news.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that was a productive answer. Would you like another go? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's absically complaining about MTV making a big issue out of something that happened to Madonna. You don't say? Shocker!'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bbc news, cbc news are 2'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine if you go on aljazeera you'll even find it there'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They are REPORTING ON IT, not making it top news.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'aljazeera mostly lost it's credibility 4 yeras ago when the original news stopped coming and they began repeating after all of the others'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to understand how news web portals operate. Oftentimes, the top listed pieces of news are the LATEST pieces of news.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alice cooper's department of youth, and cheech marin's reference to serving 6 years in post-ww2 germany in born in east la might be real'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and bieber, what a star?  much publicity for some purveyors of public empathy'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and with stalinism running rampant in the world, why not twist the ideological significance of it's only opponent in the last 100 years to become the enemy of stalin's victims, so that people have to work away from opposition internally, as pop culture demands such things?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why i think the mein kampf and things are getting so much media these days, in a documentary released by a soviet film-maker in the 1960's portray's slaves painstakingly piecing together hitler's book in labour facility's - stalin had lots of those'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe the b'nai b'rith quoting evidence supplied by the kgb against citizens of your country, while on the flipside having russian jews fraudulently collecting holocaust survivor funding in new york and toronto according to recent media?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Government officials say rather than funding Equal Justice for All, it will give money directly to individuals who want to appeal. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/07/15/sk-equal-justice-advocacy-funding.html not saying they're saints but, all it takes is people's unawareness of their rights and then they have none'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the government will be like a police officer questioning a minor without the consent of their parents, getting themselves a testimony that the child under duress gives, guilty or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people under the illusion that ukraine hundreds of thousands of police abuses per year is never possible where they are, like the lacrosse female team taking nude calendar photo's for a 'good cause' in vancouver'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'inherited from stasi kgb germany soccer fantatics'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''irrefutable evidence' isn't evidence in the court of world war 2 stalinism democracy lies, does logic imply some connection between here and there?  hell no, is it even racism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'movie's 'Stalin' and 'Enemy at the Gates' shows what alot of them was fighting for, if they hesitated they were shot by their commanding officer, such deep thinking heroes, but it's not all their fault if they fought for their enemy'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we disband the UN already?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure, after they declare Ben-Hur to be the greatest film to have ever been made.....the 1959 version.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the united nations afghanistan efforts didn't calculate into the costs of maintaining stability/training and infrastructure the oil resources that were given to petro-china, instead asking for all member nations to donate upwards of 100 million per year'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much for a bunch of 'peace corps' servicemen/apprentices to set up the oil infrastructure on the standard serviceman salary and have the resource sales fund the programs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should disband them, they're a bunch of crooks'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Afghanistan has no oil, they have gold,silver,copper,diamonds,iron ore,uranium,nickel, and lots of other kinds of minerals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have opium'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, but i read on bbc news that petro china won the oil contracts for afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since UN took control of the opium fields, afghanistan's largest export to teh west'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that the total ore value in Afghanistan is worth over $20 trillion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they have no oil, the mineral resources could be funding the un-programs instead of given to people who are already filthier rich than 99.9% of the world combined'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'we should keep no question asked. cheney said it's good to his economy, and we do trust our ex-formal-vice-president'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'asking for un-memberstates to give out their yearly welfare salary instead of making their efforts pay for themselvs and then some'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you patriots out there, get onto your congress and senate members to tell them to stop Obama signing away your guns to the UN without even consulting congress'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Madonna story is weird. Why would Marine Le Pen have any justification for a civil action?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what story was that?  That intentional topless thing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as part of her show was an image showing Marine Le Pen (Far Right National Front party leader) with a swastika imposed on her face'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it hurts her to be reminded that she's a nazi-alike'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'threatens to undo years spent trying to detoxify the brand of far right politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but just like when they renamed the Eugenics Society, shit still sticks'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a person being labelled a nazi, especially at a public event like a concert, has the right to contest the sterotype of her with the ideological only-genocidal political group in the last 100 years, that's true'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but why the publicity stunt in the first place?  why is it top news instead of things like police rape and execute another 10,000 people in michael jacksonville in the soviet ukraine?  that blanket of the media's all i'm thinking of, it's not just limited to if you're interested in what kind of stunts the pop-stars are up to'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't mind, the more media attention nazis get, the more chance people might start noticing that many countries are going that way right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mainstream media is irrelevent now.  Even the Obama administration knows this and is playing to it with the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better than torpid nonsense reality tv and crap'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'listen to adolf hitler speech on youtube video's, 'Hitler declares war on Poland' look up the things he mentions, and 'Adolf hitler, the man they call the devil' - then compare to the actual devil in the world in Stalinism, which was victorious and had allied support in world war 2, including in lenin's book according to youtube video 'the origins of terror' the totalitarian control of atrocity / terrorism and the police who make it happen, remember who came out on top in world war 2, and you think the nazi's are any impact on modern politics, or just something that the allies did in the 1930's?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'calling people nazi on allied media is probably a way to make sure that the allied groups of real-ideological nazi's are never removed from power'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like, the Obama people are all "Hey, Romney's...." and factcheck.org is "Uh, no he's not.  Stop telling lies, dude!" and the Obama people just outright ignore it to reinforce the lie some more.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else they fit into what the people who think the common thoughts about nazi's think of what their group is up to, which isn't always 'nazi germany''
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's an issue if they try to undermine groups of people who aren't the genocidal nazi understanding, by likening them to nazi's in pop-culture idol's, but it's also freedom of expression if their understanding is that the surviving stalinism doesn't really exist like it killed 30 million+ since 1929 (possibly closer to 300 million), instead considering nazi's as the people who did what stalin did'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they see the soviet trends in that woman's political party, misunderstanding it as naziism, then there you go - but still it's a question why a pop-star would make worldwide international headlines (being mostly unpopular for the last 25 years) with her stunts'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i doubt very much that anybody who's politics even resembles adolf hitlers would ever even be able to have a political party anywhere on earth'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin's though, and stalin's version of adolf hitler - sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says on the news around new years that russian men who are above organized criminals and the law order the patronage of hollywood stars and all kinds of famous people at their new years parties worth tens of millions of dollars, so maybe madonna works for them'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says on that one video 'how to brainwash a nation' that over 80% of the kgb's effort was in ideological subversion and brainwashing people, and things like the top news story being madonna's labelling of a group of people as nazi might be part of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's the american hero hugh heffner work for?  the non-kgb stalinism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hugh heffnor works?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see hollywood as a giant brainwashing factory'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kgb's stalin invention 'stasi' in germany even retired into german government, cause obviously kgb doesn't exist as it took over russian government, and everybody knows that politically correct people will support what their kgb/stasi government tells them about, including what constitutes a nazi being all the crimes them themselves carried out, inventing nazi scapegoats without pointing out the superior politics of their stalin governments in comparison to what world war 2 was all about, it's just a genocide identifier?  ok then, but your kgb/stasi governments come from stalin who ordered the death of over 30 million people'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the government doesn't teach people about what the politics of world war 2 was so that people don't see a swastika and think of the only devil on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'WW2 by itself can fill up an entire year's worth of credits.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as taught considering all available information including public speeches by hitler, which were blacked out of stalin's ussr in the movie 'stalin' and aren't taught in modern history studies in allied nations?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a swastika they must have been the devil of devil's, but if stalin was pure good and hitler was pure evil, how come the victorious world is pure rotting?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have yet to hear the speech by hitler declaring that jews are the enemy of germany'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if it's out there, then it'd be useful to show the developments that caused the german people to undertake the actions that followed, wouldn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'including what genocider stalin was already doing and how hitler used that to justify his own orders?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wasn't Stalin the probie in that relationship?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of the history and 'proof' i seen seems far too ostentatious compared to the reasoning i heard in hitler's speeches, he didn't seem like a glory hog demanding all are his slaves like stalin did'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming those speeches aren't fabrications'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Obama harassing people 100miles inside the border, yet closing a bunch of actual border checkpoints?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's a real indicator of stasi influence in canada, since i'm obviously concerned over things that don't affect me or my government, that the national female lacrosse team has naked photographs in a calendar in vancouver for a 'good cause' of hugh heffner beautiful celebrations, a year after german's female soccer team did the same under the non-direction of their kgb stasi government'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'playing the entire world for fools, and that's what they're doing'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there in their nuclear armed righteousness'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why sometimes i wonder why they don't just get nuclear war overwith as the eventual end of the absence of nuclear war is death anyways, there's a chance of survivors if the proper warpigs are destroyed isn't there?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's probable that the nuclear aresenals all over the world are controlled by teh same people'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nuclear warheads don't move fast enough to avoid vaporizing everything on the planet via mutual response.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=145127'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so do you agree that circumcision is abuse if the cult-member doesn't opt-into it consciencously, or should the parents be able to continue on their way regardless of the religions their kid chooses, or has lots of health benefits (and only in the cast of) or a little of both?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they are slicing a piece of flesh off of somebody in the name of god, which seems a little barbaric, especially when considering jesus didn't advocate the circumcision of the flesh and the story of moses and rebekkah where it became standardized?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i'd wonder why god requires people's genitals to be mutilated to please his holiness for one thing, but medical reasons seem ok'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually blood-sacrifices and stuff were for demon-worship'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'm kind of so and so. Circumcision for religious purposes I think is stupid but only because I'm not religious. But religious or not, the parents are rarely risking for willing benefits. I guess you could say I'm in for doing better for my kid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'But doing it for religious purposes I'm just like "What that's stupid."'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Thou shalt not worship false idols!'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Blood sacrifices? lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they do it in nepal and africa and some other places still, (beyond circumcision), but circumcision seems like blood-sacrifice to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You live in Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, but i read about / heard about some of their cultural peculiarities on the news and documentaries and random searching'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Well I don't know. I may say yes to circumcise my kid but again I may say no and ask him in the later future. If he says that he wants it then that's also risking a painful recovery from it instead of only a few days if I did it when he was a baby. If he says no, he's risking more being uncircumsiced.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What about you Chemosh. Go sign up on the forums and tell them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and as a cultural practice, if you were to remain in an city of israel or jerusalem, and were originally an outsider, then you'd get circumcised for some kind of strange bond in the bible story stemming from moses/rebekkah, but places that aren't in israel being circumcised and also jesus non-advocacy for the circumcision of the flesh in the 'gentile nations' i find the whole practice questionable'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, i prefer transient text like this, even though people log all my internet interactions for their own motives'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was screaming out my window then chances are there wouldn't be somebody with a tape recorder recording what i say for their own motivations'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'changing over time though, they'll probably do like kuwait and thailand and reference commentaries from a decade ago in new criminal thought-crime investigations'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'So you're saying that they would do that while I was a baby right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you were born in biblical israel and weren't under a church sponsored by jesus, i guess so, or if you were an outsider with a kid who decided to move to israel, your kid would probably be circumcised with you if males'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just from memory'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't read of other cultures during those times doing circumcision as a standard practice of faith'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the eunuch's i guess had their entire balls chopped off, they're mentioned coming from ethiopea, servants of their queen'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of the religious people who get their kids circumcised (in the west at least) for religious reasons go to a church of gospel, and in the gospel the circumcision of the flesh is done away with from what i remember, so that shouldn't hinder their faith any'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'my parents got mine done for health reason, not religious.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know though, i just wonder why god requires people's foreskin's to bless them, how this arcane formula from the god of truth and justice actually works, going from my memory of the bible'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I don't have bible memory. don't want it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'judging from the evil in the world, i don't think removing people's foreskins stops much of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Which god are you referring to? If they lived you could ask them :]'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'evil is relative.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of rediculous really, people all have to be circumcised in bible land to sojourn in israel, how are they able to confirm they're circumcised?  do they do like egypts military confirming their female prisoners are virgins, taking a little peek in the name of the lord?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just thinking of the kind of past-tense world the bible must have lived in, and trying to find similarities in the modern one'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'people have done worse in the lord's name.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum is agreeing with that FrT person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'if you look for something, you're bound to find something.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I worship the cotton gods.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'people put false connections in books all the time. doesn't mean they were meant for what people think. '
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'or with books. tie them to things completely seperate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the christian and Judaic religions are false and fraudulent religions -- do not attribute the "blasphemous" claims of judaism and christianity to "God"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'which religion is right, then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'http://see_the_truth.webs.com/'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You guys can bookmark that though you won't read it all right now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all theistic religions are false and fraudulent '
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'at least, corrupt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'synonyms'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'the organizations, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they're useful tools for spreading discord in leninism, as is racism and propaganda, according to what i heard, which is a neccessary part of society'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 1000 talents of gold is quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I don't think they're useful at all.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"religious corruption" is a different concept to "false and fraudulent religions"'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I meant to bring a different concept, not that false and fraudulent aren't true as well.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should bring back chariot racing.....much more interesting than nascar or indy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think of the sudden change of heart the un obsevers had, that the massacres were actually violent rebel criminals suddenly, as a russian anti-submarine ship and 6-7 other warships arrive at the syrian port?  then civil war is announced the next day along with possible rounding up of political opponents into various 1929-1939 death-camps?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they wouldn't go that low?  but if they do, does russia's presence signify who exactly is responsible for the genocide?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then what'll happen if they go ahead and set up shop in your nation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i met one person who came from syria who says that their government is very evil, only person i met from there though, so i'm not ignorant to the possibility that the un claims weren't a bunch of political lies, which i read is a common theory spread by it's supporters, but i don't deny that's a possibility too and russia's some kind of good-guy'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets hope there's no holocaust there though, and that there is no spreading of holocausts from there like there was in the 1920's and 30's, rio summit on global population control, meeting at wannsee vila last new years and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people get charged for calling 9/11 without a real emergency, but the excuse of b.c's government environmental agency is that they shouldn't have sent the email about impending mudslide fatality's to the environment people but instead called 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '911*'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were busy doing other things than reading their emails'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is funny cause my social studies teacher used to keep her laptop in front of her during every class, interactively communicating with others and checking her emails in real-time, but how easily they'll get away without losing their jobs'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they scorn welfare bums but there they are living in 3 million dollar houses across the world getting paid for jobs they only pretend to perform'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's worse?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't forget to read your deliberation cue-cards, you pseudo-intellectual politicians and lawyers'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'sober or no?'
T3/r7/2012-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'for me, no.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'would bombing enemy cities with racoons ruining import/export laws?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'ruin*'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Look at what  happened to Racoon City...'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'hrm... true... I was mainly thinking, however, that it would get racoons off our streets and be a nuisance to enemy countries at the same time. To the point that they wave the white flag....'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I was just wondering if it would be illegal in any way, like I unfortunately suspect it may be....'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I mean, there could be an arguement for it, in place of chemical and projectile weaponry....'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'can anyone tell me if it would be illegal for the american military to bomb enemies with racoons rather than use weapons and ammunition?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nothing is illegal in a war... or everything is...'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'depending if you are on the winning or losing side'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'then why don't we do that instead? Less people dead, less vermin on our streets, and more lulz for the victors.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have an even better idea. '
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'much better than killing everything in sight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stop killing people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I'd love that, but america is no longer as democratic as it used to be. And it seems old men always want to kill their enemies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'and guess who runs the country? Old men. x.x'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Bring back the US before WWII then, we are tired of the world police running around attack everything in sight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I bet the people in the middle east are even more tired....'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'as I said, I'd love to. But the common people no longer have choices in anything.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure you do. It just takes a lot of effort.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'you don't realise how stubborn these old men are, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm a grumpy middle aged man myself, so I do :D'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But there are always ways... if pearl harbor started the current path, maybe some other event can stop it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I'd much rather there be no war, and the majority of the intelligent americans also think so, but the mix of propoganda aimed at the majority of people in the US (less intelligent people) tips the balance quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If a majority wants a change, then there can be a change.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'and then there are the old men, and the war veterans sufferent from post traumatic stress disorder, and the people who are all "they bombed us so lets kill them" and people who distract us from the real problems in the world (conspiracy theorists) as well as the fact that a lot more people are losing their homes and thus have very little in the means of making intelligent votes, as well as the people who stay on the street regardless who think their underwear looks cool, etc....'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'the odds are kind of tipped in an difficult fashion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing easy is worth doing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I agree with you there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I was just generalizing on how difficult it'll be on a whole.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'personally I'd like to form a multifaceted organisation that would help all of this at once in multiple ways, but I have neither the resources nor anyone to back me up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'thus my alternative- giving the military the idea to bomb enemies with raccoons rather than anything fatal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yo homies'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you americans looking forward to your health insurance premiums going up?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like you're going to have serious crop failure in the US this year'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there'll be more than enough to feed us and canada, but they're going to raise the price so they can send more overseas, imo'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already import most of our food'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus 1 year ordinary crop production in canada is enough to feed canada for probably 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we were ever cut off like we were in WW2, we'd be screwed'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than double the population now than then'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we needed food from USA back then'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, like with gasoline and automobiles, they're cheaper south of the border, where most get sent'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is bullshit imo'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population of England/Wales increased 6% in 10 years to 2011'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than half the increase was due to migration'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody EU'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and bloody socialism'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'england/wales just needs starling, she'll straighten out your overpopulation problems :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i like that about the french madonna nazi saying she wants to reduce immigration'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them migrants come with motives/sponsoring and customs of the place they're leaving and then invent a culture there that is the one they fled and do cause problems sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need an excuse to come here, open borders and lots of state handouts'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're definitely not all bad though, there is definitely some'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like some of these latino's in las angeles, i heard a video from a certified teacher calling for the death of all the white people in america'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if they're not spongers, there's the room/infrastructure issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they try to convert america into el salvadore and those places where you're lucky if you're not butchered by age 12'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this country can sustainably support around 20 million'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have near 70 million'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least that's some of what i found while lookin up the problem'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some cities in USA have a higher murder rate than Baghdad'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe not quite that bad but, some of the documentaries i seen aren't very good - so if they don't want to be there, why do they want to turn the place they move to into there?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'woohoo for camden'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two big things going down right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Monsanto campaigning to get immunity from prosecution for all future GMO products they produce'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched a documentary that claimed monsanto stockholders were the FDA and supreme court and various other places'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that horrid UN arms treaty that Obama is planning to use to ban gun ownership in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should obama have any say on the uk?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd read/seen/heard much the same thing, Monsanto has tendrils well into the US government'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hear of much of 'the terrorist' coming from there'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a UN treaty'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll affect all UN members'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll cause massive problems in the US'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less so here'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I thought UK had pretty strict laws on guns already'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurdly strict. Only criminals are allowed guns here'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'organized criminals can smuggle bazooka's into british colombia canada, where you have to sign a million contracts to buy a hand gun, and go through a arduous journey to purchase a long rifle'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what good does it do to stop legitimate people buying weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can't defend themselves against the criminals?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to defend yourself against criminals in the UK. Even if you defend yourself against an intruder, you get prosecuted'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the movie "Paul" had a bit about that...a hick sheriff met the main characters (brits), asked where they're from, they said England...he's like I heard of there...they don't have guns there, right? how do the police shoot people then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Home Secretary banned a self defence expert from entering the country to give a keynote speech at a martial arts conference'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police use taser and pepper spray instead'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then beat people to death while in custody'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'tasers can kill'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they responded "they try not to"'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use them pretty... liberally'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, there's a whole attitude with tasers'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they should start with themselves, how many gun exports to foreign nations does un memberstates do?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did them south african rapists invent their weapons in a factory they made?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American government gun sales accounts for 91% of all the arms trade'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're good at it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i think that the legal torture with tasers attracts sickos to join the police.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's a matter of record that they hire paedophiles and known violent criminals to be TSA operatives'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadian long gun registry failed, so now they're trying to spread the wisdom?  imagine how many people became millionairres from that, smells like a con-game to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a government mafia tax equivalent, that doesn't stop real criminals from acquiring their bazooka's'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here though if you see 3 men outside your shop at night and are 30 miles from the nearest town, if you fire your rifle into the sky to catch their attention, they'll charge you with attempted murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think Americans need to start open-carrying'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not sure about home invasion and stuff, but usually if somebody dies the killer gets punished, even if his victim's in the process of executing or raping your family'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'long guns (rifles/shotguns) are largely unregulated in the US, it's just the handguns that are registered'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: good ol' boy southern/western states often do'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cities/urban will never go that way'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people need to do it far more'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use your powers or lose them'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although was watching a youtube vid last week about a place that has a group doing an open carry garbage cleanup every now & then'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another thing on this monsanto documentary i heard is that 2 scientists from this university of scottland were independently verifying a incomplete report's claim's in a lab, and their findings were that it was basically a bunch of lies and did have significant health risks - and one of the 2 scientists got assassinated in 2000'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'university of where?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere in scottland, it's supposedly the top university in europe'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or england'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't here that'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't remember the name of the documentary, but it was documentary channel or something like that, seen it in the last year'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hear*'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the world according to monsanto'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lobbying against persecution for the 'individual' monsanto just sounds evil to me, especially when people who actually independently verify their product, which several people in the government are supposed to be doing, go missing for doing that'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it was another reason, but maybe not too'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'German scientific research institute has warned that most condoms on the market contain a cancer-causing chemical '
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'US tax payer pays for cleanup bill for corporate individual exxon for 1989 oil spill -> http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/26/nation/na-valdez26'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heard 20 billion it originally was, and that they had paid 500 million over 19 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure how many welfare bums that is'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US Navy fires at a fishing boat in the gulf, killing 1, injuring 3'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's possibly more expensive to allow exxon individuals to lobby your life than use your taxes for social sevices'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet the supreme court found that bp's oil spill was less than malicious too, and the pretending there's no oil spills in northern canada, especially since aljazeera claims they received hundred thousand+ christmas bonuses for exemplary performance that year'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just random all these oil spills, none for 20 years and then 3-5 in a single year'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like DHS are getting Colt LE 901 Carbines to use on the American public'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you guys lucky'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death camps?  it's been done before'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watched this show on this rehabilitation centre for sex offenders in california, actual documentary, and they claim to get 250,000 dollars per inmate from the state and have over 10,000 there - they do studies such as showing erotic material to the inmates with a rubber arousal sensor strapped around their penis, for signs of rehabilitation, and have staff that looks like 18 year old playboy bunnies'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots different from arizona where they feed their inmates on less than a dollar per day of food, mostly donations'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine how hard the mafia men who organize that demoralization centre are laughing'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taxes hard at work'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are two extremes....california is the worst when it comes to overspending, and arizona is the worst when it comes to underspending.'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, how can I live in a place staffed by playboy bunnies?'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '10,000 inmates x 250,000 dollars for the hard erotic material rehabilitation program'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of jokes, government of california is proof there's no justice in america'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd never be rehabilitated, but I'd have fun trying'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, fun, while real people can't afford to live'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'inmates care about real people'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most people don't make 250,000 dollars per year'
T3/r7/2012-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US has 1.2 million 40 foot shipping containers sitting in storage at the various ports, because it costs to much to send them overseas to be reused.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'India's Chhattisgarh state is investigating reports that thousands of women had unnecessary hysterectomies so hospitals could make insurance claims. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-18873716 don't worry, it won't come to you, it's just being greedy >- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550 Uzbekistan's policy of secretly sterilising women , obviously not a high command'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially safe if you have a bunch of foreign doctors who succeeded where most starve to death!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come not many doctors from your hometown?  it's all unambiguous'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that a communist chinese neuroscientist operating on the top of just about every american and canadian university?  they don't feed plastic to babies in their infant formula where they come from, so you must be very safe in their non-state sponsored successes'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wouldn't be as odd if it wasn't next door to uzbekistan, but you know, somebody's gotta population control the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was JFK was assassinated for battling communism, which was supported fully ever since?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all this tax payer non-welfare money funding gets put into poppa voodoo doc's personal accounts through cuba etc, this is some good stuff, lets start up the voodoo curse again'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy that'd be something huh, if america wasn't even going to war for itself?  just seen the book in a link and it looks interesting - makes america nothing more than a mercenary, or a shakespear play 'king john' sending soldiers to die for the holy land'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that xerxes in the movie 300'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your government serving somebody 8000 miles aawy, like canada'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe more 16000, i don't know'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the queen's a better monarch for canada, i'm not sure though'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and jews can never be kgb agents, so you're always far removed from their president of russia agenda's'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'demoralization obviously doesn't exist anywhere in america or canada, or ukraine or other places like germany - destablization?  we're sturdy and united and strong, sure of our integrity - crisis?  ah, economic hogwash, cost of living sacrifices, various war's, it's all non-marxist-leninist and kgb misinformation, normalization?  anything good'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier john f kennedy shuts down foreign funding to haiti after learning of misappropriation of the money by it's leader, who used his nation as a communist bargaining card - lee harvey oswald the us military guy turned communist assassinates john f kennedy, duvalier claims to have put a voodoo curse on john f kennedy - subsequently the new president reopens the funding'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some things to keep in mind about obama's new 4 billion dollar investment in motherland africa'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what they'll actually use it for'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine how many people in america now are funded by your foreign funding eating you all for free'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how many guns for terrorists they purchase with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nation of cowards'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada also bailed camaroon the anti-british country, which canada's monarch is'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where they abuse human rights on a daily basis and are all corrupt in government, according to what i read'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 2000 or so'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what stephen harper and them are'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also why iran's the only nation to have reported on the 600,000 police tortures in ukraine that are mentioned on amnesty international, and they don't draw the link between uzbekistan and india for your foreign doctors to consider'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(per year) could be higher now, maybe 6 million'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're worse than nazi's, and will be openly worse than nazi's in the future'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i feel coming/think'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'worse than nazi's? Time to bomb them with raccoons!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the international stalin's mafia red guard communist new world order, if they're the roots or not, i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'woman from st.petersberg died a week after showing her city counsel documents to aljazeera'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess russia's mafia government could be limited to itself though, and the others are just independent somehow'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they are like that, just saying what i read'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, black african's from nations where you donate your world vision bleeding heart money to, lobby your government to give all of your money to them where they are openly corrupt murderers and starve their own people to death even without your funding, which is used for anything but what you think is good, and then install their IMF chief who compares greece against africa and tries to make it's government turn it into those starving children commercials - is one way it can appear'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you'll all be emancipated holodomor victims in the future, possibly'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause you were so scared to do anything about it, let them do the thinking that they are obviously not corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'just bomb them with raccoons.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh damn, stephen harper has to send 100 billion dollars to camaroon to fund their john f kennedy anti-anticommunism rowboat full of demons while he cuts public services that could have been paid for 10 times over 10 years with the money'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do not worry, they will immigrate to canada and be a valuable asset to the economy that purches you all as whores from your own welfare cheques'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: '... since you are talking to yourself... I wonder... do you ever reply to yourself?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i talk to the communist nazi's that run the internet sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're always listening'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you afraid to have an opinion on the subject matter that they always avoid in the news and politics, but is actually real?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I think you need to take your medication now, good sir.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you seem to think you're smart and i'm stupid, i wonder where you got your thoughts'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I do have an opinion- the world is fucked up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true, it's rotten actually'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is posting some coherent valid criticisms of various governments '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I never said you were stupid. You assumed that on your own.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps a few exaggerations and errors, yet coherent'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'well... I am surprised that the russian mafia hasn't whacked him yet. Seems like something they would do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'putin's the richest man on earth, i imagine people like me are on his future concentration camp stalin purity list of holy warrior'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ferien is a mole coming out of some political closet, or maybe another of the NMO's "useful idiots"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I am indeed a useful idiot. Or maybe I am a mole xD'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I do know one thing, I have good english grammer for a russian mafia mole.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they care, if he read what i say and wasn't evil then he'd look up the points himself and see where i got them from, wouldn't he?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You grammer is ok, but your speling needs work'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Putin's "useful idiots" -- they used to call them "Lenin's useful idiots"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh yeah, that appears to be real, how about that?  looks considerable, invalid retard conclusion or.. has some historical perspective to it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'actually, I agree with you on some levels, but if civilization is as corrupt as you say, what can the common man do about it. Especially on a MUD?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'absolutely nothing, except find it's origins, instead of believing in supernatural satan's'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'errata: NMO sb NWO (new world order/orifice)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i want to be a real atheist i have to eliminate supernatural conundrums'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'thats odd... usually people with such strong opinions on this subject are hardcore christians o_0'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i criticize harper even more than i consider putin, i consider them all to see who's got a righteous kind of action and who's the roots of corruption, or if it's distributed who protects the corrupt from one another?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be effective as a demagogue, decent grammar, spelling, punctuation, and coherence, is a prerequisite, all with accurate facts (at last when starting out -- to gain credibility) '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like this bernard shaw guy, interesting isn't he?  national hero in britain and canada, yet advocated the use of zyklon b and genocide based on material wealth'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also a firm supporter of stalin'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be effective as a demagogue, decent grammar, spelling, punctuation, and coherence, is a prerequisite, along with concise accurate informative facts (at least when starting out -- to gain credibility) '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'who says I want to be effective, and who says I want to be a demagogue. I just speak my mind.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is it that putin believes IF he is like stalin, who they claim became mentally ill paranoid delusional as time wore on?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope he's not that evil, or worse, but that's a mystery i like to understand'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of future do they expect for this world, if they secure it's hell?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'changes to societies are usually started and done by the middle class, funded by the rich, with the lower classes in (belated) support'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'speaking of capitalisation and coherence.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looking at the entire known world as a whole, corruption absolutely everywhere, it almost looks like a japanese kamikazee airplane pilot is the captain of earthship'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except they might not have been fighting for evil like the media said'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'german Nazis like capitals (on their nouns) '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so then, you'd expect with 7 billion people and various hundreds or thousands of countries and territories, there would be at least 1 that wasn't led by satan's servant'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Das Capital" -- sounds communist'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, obviously corrupt people work together to make sure that satan rules the world, and they must have a utmost authority on earth'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because most people are victims from birth to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'heres a spoiler. Man destroys himself. The artifacts of man only last a few thousand years. The earth and it's habitat forget anything like man ever existed. New evolutionary forms of intelligence appears, and takes many many thousands of years to fully develop... they find any remaining ((if possible)) artifacts of man, and either worships this ancient race, or learn from it's mistakes. As intelligent as they are, they end up making the same mistakes anyways. The end. Or is it a cycle?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'the world will live and adapt even if we die. Funny isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, "God" and "satan" mayhaps be synonymous -- so there is doubt whether the NWO is working for "satan"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'also, snape kills dumbledor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the gospel, jesus claimed some of the jews worshipping god were worshipping satan, in my take on the implication, 'you know not what you worship''
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"satan" conotes "adversary"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and inferrence from malachai chapter 1 and the genesis story, where 'god of righteousness and truth and mercy' honors a pact with satan equivalent esau/jacob extortion, similar to treaty of nonagression in world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and jacob deceives his father, while honest esau was out getting supper for his family 'the last supper''
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stealing his birthright and giving the blessing of genociding righteous esau from the face of the earth in malachai'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody may've been reading "the Last and First Men" by Olaf Stapledon'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Esau and Jacob were brothers, right? It would be fratricide, not genocide.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the old testament is a christian book of judaic hype, lies, fiction, and a few historical facts'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'but it is still an interesting read, even if only to help one decide whether they want to be christian or not. I went through that stage... and found that many of the acts committed within were sorta grim and nasty for an "all loving god"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the OT lied'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'and even if it did, all the more reason to support my decision to not be christian.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some perverts prefer to reject religions that criticize their abhorrent perversions'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe in reality and intelligent designer, but considering my own imagination, if all of my thoughts were spent on worshipping the mind that creates them, i would get bored of imagination pretty quickly - so religious people with creator concept chanting phrases like hypnotizing a serpent god and various signs of ritual homage to the thought seem kind of odd to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think religion's even neccessary to 'please the lord' unless the lord is satan, god probably intereacts directly with everybody if he exists'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"intelligent designer" -- that's a laugh'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, time existed before consciousness, which isn't required for it to continue existing'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'then there are those like me, who simply won't follow a religion that either lies about it's past or supports slaughter and murder as a means of serving any god.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'and to elaborate, I consider war slaughter and murder.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Oxymoronic: Chemosh ranting about "world corruption" and yet believing in an "intelligent designer" -- comedic'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there is an evil god, i don't think he's very stupid compared to humans'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was zoroastrianism and basically every religion in history which had a creative force and a destructive force, both of which are called intelligent'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'obligatory question "but what truely defines evil and good"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the end of dogma is the start of reality"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not misspelling "truly" for starters'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch the video, 'the spell of the albino' from aljazeera, 'by their fruit they are known', the reporter is probably the most evil one in that entire video, the girl with the missing arm is done wrong to, who is good in the scenario'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'now you are just nitpicking, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't mean they're always good or always evil, but depending on the situation, there is a wrongdoer and a relatively good victim'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the end of wrong dogma is often the beginning of the strait and narrow path to truth"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'straight*'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"strait" is a synonym of "narrow"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No,strait is a geoographical term.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'indeed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'geographical* '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: '=p'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the end of filthy perversions and wrong dogma is often the beginning of the 'heterosexual straight' strait and narrow path to truth"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'again, geographical term. Straight means forward, to move straight is to move forward, such as Straight Ahead. I do not know why you are getting sexual on us.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/07/17/sk-cannabis-thc-1207.html Saskatchewan scientists discover key to drug-free hemp , did they really?  http://www.gizmag.com/high-free-medicinal-marijuana/23207/ Israeli company grows medical marijuana which doesn't get you high '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they claim credit for something they didn't actually discover?  maybe they're israeli scientists at U of S?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Strait is not a synonym for or variation of straight.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's funny how Zade nitpicked someone for mispelling "Truly", yet insists "straight" and "strait" are the same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was "Dire Straits" a rock-band with upstanding heterosexual morals or a corrupted rock-band '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Yuna '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'gettin their money for nothing and chicks for free is in line with where is zog by gwar in stasi germany riding the great porno cow for general zog'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'does rock have anything to do with this situation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How am I wrong, Zade? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/strait?s=t&ld=1032'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are heterosexually "straight" are more likely to be on the "strait" path'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'On the "narrow" path?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Zade, you are fighting a losing battle.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What dictionary do you have that claims "strait" means "straight"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'cut your losses while you are ahead, like I do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know how the saying goes "Straight and narrow"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It doesn't say "straight and straight".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which it would be if "Strait" meant "Straight" and not "Narrow":'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'English is my 3rd language. Is it your 9th?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "strait and narrow path" in the NT is likely a long and winding path with many heterosexual curves'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'straight and narrow has nothing to do with sexuality of any form. It is a phrase which indicates that someone is on the right path, the correct path, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The saying is "Straight and narrow", not "Strait and narrow".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can say "Straight and strait" because "Strait" means "Narrow". I does not, however, mean "Strait".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is my BASIC ENGLISH confusing you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'no, his sexuality is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'he needs to learn that this phrase has nothing to do with ones sexuality.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, "Straight and strait" means "Straight and narrow". "Strait and narrow" means "Narrow and narrow".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And also, it has nothing to do with sexuality, it's about (percevied) righteousness.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Indeed, Yuna explained it better than I did.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "trouble" with esl "foreigners" is that they are "shallow', as they attempt to be "wrongly pedantic", and fail to comprehend the "nuances of the context" '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've done it thrice now. If he doesn't get it now, he never will. Or he's being willfully obtuse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no dictionary in THE WORLD that says "Strait" is a synonym for "Straight".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i say deport those esl troublemakers'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess they're all wrong and you're right. YOU are the arbiter who decides which English words mean what.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'neither did Zade'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Context does not rewrite the English language. And the problems with native English speakers is that they get sloppy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the problem with arrogant pricks is that they can never admit to having made a mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debate -h strait '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And their desperate attempts to justify their mistakes just make them look dumber.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I think he didn't even look at your link. I have english as my first and only language, and I am saying the same thing, Zade. And you are being pretty damned vain and shallow with those deportation comments, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Show me a single dictionary that says "strait" can, in any way, shape or form, be a synonym for "straight".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Actually, the saying WAS originally "strait and narrow". "Strait is the gait, and narrow is the way" or something like that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'gate*'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That is not what's up for discussion Lenei.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It was 10 minutes ago :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Corruption of saying is not what is in question. Nobody's arguing about the ORIGINAL meaning of things.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're arguing about the lexical meaning of the word "strait", which Zade insists can be the same as "straight" in the right context.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bodies without hands and heads and feet found near detroit - is the mexican mass-grave paladins moving north, or is that standard mafia practices?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there was some in eastern canada too recently'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Yuna flunked directional logic'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Zade was the one that said strait was a synonym for narrow, and you disagreed with him...'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No...'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Often, straits. ( used with a singular verb ) a narrow passage of water connecting two large bodies of water.2.Often, straits. a position of difficulty, distress, or need: Ill and penniless, he was in sad straits indeed.3.Archaic . a narrow passage or area.4.an isthmus. '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade said straight was a synonym for STRAIGHT. I said strait is a synonym for narrow.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '[17 Jul 14:50:20] (Debate) Zade: '"strait" is a synonym of "narrow"'; [17 Jul 14:51:16] (Debate) Yuna: 'No,strait is a geoographical term.''
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do people feel secure when they go on vacation to mexico?  yeah, don't worry no chance that your resort is connected to the mass-grave mutilations and stuff, rest assured in your righteous vacation'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna:  debate -h Zade '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whenever i hear of politicians going to mexico on vacation i wonder if they're just mafia studs going for a meeting with their boss'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'read before that, Leinei, the phrase in context was Straight and Narrow.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, I didn't see that. I enter at this point: "the end of filthy perversions and wrong dogma is often the beginning of the 'heterosexual straight' STRAIT AND NARROW PATH to truth""'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty much every politician near me goes to mexico sometimes, or nicaragua'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And then he spent the rest of the debate claiming "strait" and "straight" were interchangeable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'which I agree is incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I did not see that he originally correctly stated that "strait" and "narrow" are interchangeable (thought this practice is archaic).'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"nuances of context"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no fucking context in which "strait" means "straight".'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I think I am going to have a cigarette, this is getting pretty damned repetitive.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'german stasi (kgb communist) set up base in chile, so it's possibly a hub where they get their orders in their takeover cold war strategy's'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps some wrongly pendantic foreigner did not yet learn of Venn diagrams (where some "straight" things intersect with some things "strait")'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck do venn diagrams have to do with "straight" = "strait2?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can make a venn diagram that has "stupid" and "Zade" intersect, it doesn't mean the two words can be interchangeable.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, bad languange - Yuna loses'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'language'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's rich, coming from you, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You spent, like, 3 hours personally attacking me last week.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tainted love, lets have a happy land and pretend that this land isn't owned and operated by death-camp communists, this is a fun mafia safety time, i feel so safe and secure being here, isn't it wonderful that the entire earth pays tax to the same people that provide the criminals it's police persecute (and eventually are) '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you Yuna were attacking Chemosh or somebody'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll just add "Hypocrisy" to that venn diagram.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not paying tax is a more grievous crime than all the holocausts on earth, stalin needs his grain too you know'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade joined into the fray to defend Chemosh with a direct offensive counterattack!
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'come on, world vision for starving fat stalin's, i'm just advocating a worthy fundraising event'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'adolf hitler can be openly demonized, by comrade stalin is the father of modern politics and therefore his 30-300 million voiceless genocide victims are unworthy to raise a stink'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the modern russian government directly descendent from stalins?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder, are the nazi's really worth all the hype when the people who invented them are still around and the richest people one arth?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, (feigning) "reverse sarcasm" is bad rabble-rousing technique -- some may accuse you of !blatantly! praising and supporting the corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can't beat them join them, if you're into that kind of thing like most of the world is'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i got a little russian in my raped german bloodline'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all good'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'later, when Chemosh raises the bloody "Jolly Roger", Chemosh may then claim he was supporting the "corrupt" all along and that was not "reverse sarcasm" but "loving praise" disguised as "reverse sarcasm"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fear them any more than they fear being revealed for the liars they are behind their nuclear aresenals, all cowardly justifying absolute depravity - the calvinist ideology - as tradeoff to fullscale war'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of sissy's afraid to get things done with, pretending to be different'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh went incoherent, and is "tilting at small windmills" in the distance'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'calvinists ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm gonna die anyways, might as well tell the people who made life hell to fuck themselves and their future hopes'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they poison my cigarettes and tempt me for a living'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're the ones who should be rolled into death camps'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since that's what they seem to be setting up in the world, death to the people who led it to hell'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right?  or allow them to guide your repopulation after the future holocaust?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's wise, then in 70 years you'll have another'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the RCC are bigger than Calvinists;  tilt at the RCC, or if you are brave, tilt at the israelis (though your "who ignored" list is likely to inceaase) - go go Don "Chemosh" Quixote!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'increase'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they ignore you to keep tabs on you, in case you change your nick again'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the average disease free dead body is worth up to $200,000.....hmm, put it in your will that your body is to be sold, and the money given to family, or the Save the Donkey Foundation.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But donkeys are delicious!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the fictional hero fighting at imaginary demons in his head versus the antihero pointing out the real corruption in the world, repetitive history and his opinion on it'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, me and quixote have alot in common'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you notice everybody hates me everywhere?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can't stand a real person among their cartoon lives'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus wrote about that in the gospel , 'the world receives its own', also 'i shall make enmity between thy seed and her seed' to the devil, now there's a conflict of jesus wasn't accepted interest'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, which god does the world worship, god or satan?  and how does it universally conform to the bible's own words?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was a fictional character'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Human skin takes on the color of smoked salmon when it is professionally removed in rectangular shapes from a cadaver.  A good yield is about six square feet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'must make them body choppers feel powerful being able to skin a corpse with impunity to the law, like donating sports brains to science is a thing of the lord'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some places they can even make it become a corpse too'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm going to make sure that i die where vermin will eat my corpse so that science can't have any of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont poison the poor vermin!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth, that was sick, and TMI, and unverified '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if real independence existed, canada would have a nuclear arsenal that's larger than the rest of the world's combined, along with top of the pioneering line military hardware and satellites undetectable hovering over all the other nation's, and all the weapons the mind can invent , it'd be just as strong or stronger than america and russia'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of sacrificing itself to world war 2 parasites'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heil!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the fact, countries like china import all of their materials they make their powerful military weapons out of'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from traitors who run canada'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yah, der Fuhrer was .. is! a Nationalist!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hitler's probably a better man than you ever could be'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you never know though, stalin was a saint and hitler's speeches claimed he was no better'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(shhhhh, you want the jewish support)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and do not praise Stalin -- a lot of Canadians "escaped" from the former USSR)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's canadians who praise communism in russia today living in newfoundland and various other places, they must be canadian and not underminers'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe they're just not much of historians'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prime minister harper and his jewish lobbiests are turning canada into russia though, communist bastards'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or ukraine rather, that's a better example'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those communistic canadians in newfieland are part of what's left of "Lenin's useful idiots"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by all government corruption unaccountability signs of stalinism'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is (sycophantic) Capitalist (likely taking orders^H^H^H^H^H^H advice and instruction from the USA)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'capitalism is communism in the end, and there is no competition among businesses'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'suncore owns petro-canada which is part owned by communist india's russian investors, etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all hidden behind a myriad of corporate owners which trickle back to the king of the pile'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no capitalism, it's all lies'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Capitalism" is not "Communism", though "communism" is compared to "red capitalism"'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'non-communist monsanto owns over 120 seed companies, which keep their name'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is "absomax" and there is "Capitalism" -- although "absomax" is not yet in the official widely-distributed dictionary. -- But maybe if Stephen Colbert used the term "absomax" !:)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more competition for the highly-paid tax payer funded 'competition bureau''
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'non-communist microsoft liscences out the patents panasonic uses through a patent company which makes 30 billion + per year in royalty fees, which it invests in other non-communist venture forces which keep their labels'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and nokia and others'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even got into the agriculture business through singapore, those amazing dos programmers'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the amazing family name rockwell, of american dream denial artistry diversity is the leader in automation innovation, while another offshoot of his amazing family is probably all the fuel and taxes that will pay for the replacement of future death camp volunteers'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews are guiltless, in general, but a subset of them .. RECALLING the Memorandum of Understanding on Economic Cooperation between the Government of Canada and the Government of Israel of 31 March 1992, the Memorandum of Understanding on Bilateral Cooperation in Private Sector Industrial Research and Development Entered Into by the Government of Canada and the Government of Israel of 16 August 1994 and the Agreement on Bilateral Cooperation in Industrial Research and Development between the Government of Canada and the Government of the State of Israel of 27 March 2006 (the bPrevious Agreementb) http://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=105299 what's this exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wow, so that's why capitalism is communism and the business competition bureau doesn't do their job?  possibly'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here have a private island in the carribean for your treason'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/h_00125.html yep, keep on paying them your taxes, it's obvious that they have a nonracist, foreign unbiased evaluation of the competitors'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets pay homage to the great illusionists in israel, or is it russia?  amazing grace'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why does monsanto always win every court case against the slandered farmers?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be the jewish lawyer in las angeles called shapiro?  maybe not, gonzalez the mexican sees no transgression of gmo boundaries'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing that fits into the memorandum of understanding there'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Competition Bureau, as an independent law enforcement agency, ensures that Canadian businesses and consumers prosper in a competitive and innovative marketplace.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'independent how exactly?  it says there that it's not allowed to regulate israel's amazing investments'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of lies, god must have really hated me to spit me into this evil nation'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is a more benign and friendly country for the expression of "novel" opinions than either the USA or GB'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but harper's cracking down on that now'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indefinite detention of 'terrorist suspects' without trial is also a stalinist dictator law, as any jury of citizens would be able to evaluate the suspect and the proof themselves to determine if they're legitimately being detained'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they also signed a agreement between harper and george bush to allow military forces from both countries to cross the border to quell civilian disobedience'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2008 i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or around there, if what i read was real, they're getting right on ready for the death camps of the future, and fully adhering to stalinism as considered from the past'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if the lying canadian government is the purest and fairest government to live under on earth, than this world is definitely hell'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, i'd be killed by the age of 5 in most places cause i see through liars and don't believe they have the right to walk all over me'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you want to defeat "Harper", then you require to be accurate eloquent and hard-hitting with actual facts (not unsubstantiated paranoid conjectures) -- but what is the replacement to "Harper", (there is the "lesser of evils" option, and "the devil you know" option versus "the grass is perhaps greener elsewhere" option)'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'facts don't harm the harper government, any more than women don't go missing in russia for showing city counsel records to aljazeera'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or die, i guess that's different than go missing - aljazeera could have been full of it though?'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'being a successful demogogue is a lot of hard work'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you are using the Aardwolf debate channel as kindergarten.  eventualy, you may require to go to primary school: IRC '
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure where demagogue high school is'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i provided millions of facts and my opinion on it's what you call flawed, because i don't repeat after the scope of every article and instead point out common denominators and possibilities from judging them all collectively'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like the 'lie delusion of paranoia' of india chopping out womens womb's for insurance greed versus the phenomenon in uzbekistan where the government orders it done'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously they're not similar and they're just greedy instead, like the news pointed out'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eventually'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember reading on an aljazeera article about 1-3 years ago too, that an israeli said that if america didn't do according to the interests of israel, israel will destroy it from the inside out'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'palestine might have been mentioned in the article too, i tried to relocate it after, it's in their archives somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, you see what kind of 'memorandum of understanding' competition stuff they have set up, that's probably how they'll acheive it'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and probably why you'll be at war in the middle east until it's all israel'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe russia gets involved with china cause you had to go against one of their governments'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just something i consider anyways, i'm sure a million or 2 others read the same article on aljazeera'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Creekside Mushrooms Ltd. is the world's largest single site mushroom growing facility and the only underground mushroom farm in the United States.  It has 800 acres of underground limestone tunnels growing mushrooms, and as business grows, they dig more tunnels.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The only thing holding them back right now is labor....They can't find enough people willing to work underground for 8 hours a day picking mushrooms.'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening patriots'
T3/r7/2012-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice my lazy mp hasn't responded to my email yet'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sit like a Trurien: 'Are we permitted to eat animals? Discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a news story for Yuna: "American Scout Movement upholds ban on gay scouts and leaders"'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rizgoth Oil is back in business!'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no oil for you! the banks are rigging the price'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can rig it all they want, I am getting 14% !'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: '14% of fat girl is still a fat girl.... just saying...'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '14% of a fat girl is likely to be a skinny girl.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Unless she was REALLY fat'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Current price - production cost - taxes = well price x 14% = my retirement!'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'then it wasnt that much of a fat girl'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cool, a beer can boat.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a beer can fly, too'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I haven't seen a beer drive a car, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if in 1984 miami the murder capital of america was a result of excess supply of cocaine and decreased value, did they really win the drug war by decreasing the supply to reduce the violence?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like moving walmart south of the border provides a pretty stable route for 3 tonne shipments of cocaine i guess, however much they look it over, they have companies that get clearance on their semi's and crates'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the drug dealers then still purchase every business in town, they actually praised the process in miami'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cocaine's probably worth 425% more now than it was in 1984'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's good cause there's just fewer cocaine investors now than there was?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making 500 million dollars a week it probably wouldn't take them long to purchase america'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The avg wealth of a canadian family is now higher than the avg wealth of an american family.....$363,000 for Canadians, to $316,000 for Americans.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'americas'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that probably takes into account property not paid for and stuff though'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not impressive - the average wealth of an american family isn't too high these days, among "advanced" countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of families below even 20,000 dollar per year incomes too, they outnumber the ones who aren't by probably 50 to 1'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'places where there is work, at 12-20 dollars per hour, to rent a place costs 1,500 - 5,000 dollars per month, and to buy a little shack costs over 750,000 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's very little chance at progress, even if you eat garabage'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racist indians in canada pay no taxes, get exclusive 500 million dollar profit margins from casino's that are almost exclusively owned by them, get contracts with energy and other companies that indians are their exclusive workforce first choice, etc'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they use the highways paid for with taxes and other things, i don't like canadian indian treaty's much'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'multiculturalism doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like trying to get a job at a taxi company owned by pakistan'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or if korea buys every restauraunt and hotel in town, you'll be lucky if you can be a dishwasher'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, those indians ought to insist that all non-indian descendants of the genocidal land-thieving europeans and thieving peers leave Canada'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i guess europe has to insist all non-white european and racist jews emmigrate to their points of origin too'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides kicking out the europeans, kick out the asians, africans, mexicans, and south americans'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if only there were an effective "God" to enforce fair play -- darn, no effective "God"'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most people's god is the breed of human the city of god jerusalem is inhabited by, and the hope that maybe some day they too can be the proper breed'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, the above posts by Zade were stated in a form of sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mine might be sarcastic too'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"positive sarcasm" is not "reverse sarcasm"'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody hates a cynic'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'idk, Don Rickles is popular'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes during peter popoff religious rituals they play commercials where jews ask for 300 dollars to save russian jews from captivity, so that the donator can have a tree planted in the garden, his son asks how come there's not more trees?  while he mentions the gentile contribution to defeating the nazi's in world war 2, wasn't enough to deserve a tree'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seemed like a pretty low scam to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess in russia money is god though, maybe the same thing there - you ever heard of oppressed jews in russian captivity before?  i guess it's possible'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peter popoff is obviously doing comedy'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the commercial though, they use people's faith in god as a hook to reel in money, contributed with world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the symbolic tree of life i guess, in the new jerusalem'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah , his miracles are probably given some cash to every few donators'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen it on BET tv though about 3 weeks ago'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless (or even if) that is a fruit tree planted and taken care of in israel, that peter popoff is attempting to scam jews'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're extremely rich nation, i wouldn't doubt israel being the richest nation on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'israel depends on handouts from the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what're they asking ignorant christians new jerusalem for their money to purchase a tree that world war 2 wasn't worth doing it for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe, i got no problem with helping people out when they need it, i just figure they should be more straight forward about things'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not to mention Israel is sitting on top of a 300 billion barrel shale oil field, and about 50 tcf of natural gas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if they are wise, they continue to sit on those reserves without using or depleting those reserves'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlike that (expletive deleted) nation to the north of the USA that is squandering resources for a pittance -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's politicians are stockholders in the foreign companies that they sell it to'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the price of oil sands oil would go up if Canada allowed a westward pipeline to the west coast to ship oil to Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"its" not "it's"'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but as long as you rely on exporting the oil to the US, it will stay cheap.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if canada quit sending iron ore/potash/oil to america they'd call it iraq and weapons of mass destruction it'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American and canadian oil companies are happy to buy cheap oil sands oil, convert it to oil products in the US, and then export it to other nations for big bucks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like the idea of communist china becoming canada either though, they don't give two shits and a fuck about the environment, except maybe panda bears'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'though, china actually is the only nation that tries to make it's vehicles and things more environmentally friendly'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of countries do actually!'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china isnt the only asian country that would buy canadian oil if it was available.....Japan would also be a big buyer.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just not where you live, probably'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unsubstantiated ramblings are not worth reading, and are invalid in a debate'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It wouldnt surprise me if oil companies could double oil sands production within 5 years if a western pipeline was built to supply Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would also increase the price of oil sands oil exported to the US by about $15 a barrel.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with the oil pipeline to west coast, stephen harper 'streamlined' immigration and work visas - which will provide 125 million or more immigrant workers from china if they want'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they did that in africa'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it looks like we've completed basic preparations for climate change, as long as the sea level rise does not exceed 2m, so if canada wants to kill everyone else... well, hope they have a good military for the decades ahead.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(we recently bumped up the required level above sea level from 1.25m to 2.25m)'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(for reclamations)'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a couple years, Brazil is going to be exporting 500,000 barrels of oil to the US....but the US might be self sufficient in 10 years, so who knows.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shale oil has rewritten the supply book for oil.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US went from 20% self sufficient in natgas in 2006, to close to 98% self sufficient today....from shale natgas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'IRC is the proper location for a high-text-volume political debate -- replete with date-timestamps, links to websites confirming edited predigested posts, and accurate concise summaries of posts, all in flawless irc english (unneessary capitals and unambigous punctuation may be excluded)'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I sure wonder what the look on the faces of those fundamentalist types will be when they realise they'll have to eat artificial vat-grown sins-against-nature to survive. heh heh heh'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Okay Riz the shale gas has saved them in that respect... what is the US's current nat gas reserves?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only consolation to a pyrrhic "victory"...'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'soylent green is algae'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'supposedly a 100 + year supply of shale natgas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that's basically what plants are, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'based on current consumption rates.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'soylent green is sewage digested by algae'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'I assume you heard of the mammoth nat gas hit in the utica layer in Ohio. Previously that shale layer was assumed to be oil.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but they don't regard plants as GMed vat-grown monstrosities...'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is current reserves based on extraction technology today....which is about 20% of known reserves.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'alter a few things here and there and they'd go all up in arms about playing god'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows how tech will improve in extracting more of that gas over time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and the 3 huge shale natgas fields in Texas....'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the one in Arkansas, 2 in louisiana'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the huge one under the appalachian mountains'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the 5 in wyoming, utah, montana and colorado'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Riz, has anyone revisited the older horizontal supposedly played out fields and tested them with horizontal drilling to see if they have anything left?'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'err vertical played out fields'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, some of the old stripper wells in Texas have been showing signs to be refilling with oil.....at a slow rate...so they expect that the oil is coming from deeper shale deposits under those known fields.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Oil shale is still to expensive for widescale production, but some deposits are feasible like the ones in North Dakota for drilling....ND will be a major supplier of new US oil in the coming years.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ND was producing about 10,000 barrels of oil in 2006, and today produce almost 300,000 barrels a day....one of the reasons why US midwest oil is $16 cheaper per barrel than oil sold in Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need a new pipeline to bring canadian and midwestern oil to the gulf coast, so that we refine it into oil products to export overseas and raise the price of midwest oil to the global avg.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'that isn't how the US operates, I figure their next move to drive up internal oil prices will be to invade Iran due to weapons of mass destruction.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, this is definitely one of those situations where nerf is appropriate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of internal oil in the US is dropping like a rock because of overproduction and limited pipelines to move that oil around.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But drivers are still paying gasoline prices based on the full price of the oil. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'so they need more feeder pipelines, those are the oil company's responsibility not a massive export line'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It isnt helping that Texas is starting to produce more oil again, feeding the refineries on the gulf coast with cheaper texas oil. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more oil from Texas or Brazil means less oil from canada or the midwest shipped to the gulf coast.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world is flush with oil supplies right now, even as production drops from Nigeria, Venezuela, Iran, and other opec countries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't seem like a great argument for more exporting.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As the price of domestic oil falls, the oil companies need to export more oil from the US to make more profits from the oil products.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'northsea oil is now the benchmark price for world crude oil...not texas intermediate....ti oil is currently about $17 cheaper per barrel than northsea intermediate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'you know, we call british britfags, and they call us americunts. I think they are just jealous because they can never handle a cunt '
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sit down, relax, have a pickle.'
T3/r7/2012-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'sorry, I do not do anal masturbation, and especially not with vegetables '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the oldest confirmed orangutan in a zoo has turned 51, at the brookfield zoo in Chicago.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the National Ignition Facility, home to the worlds largest laser pulled the trigger on a laser consisting of 192 beams of optically amplified, electromagnetic radiation-emitting light, all fired within a few trillionths of a second of each other, to deliver 500 trillion watts (or terawatts) of peak power and 1.85 megajoules of ultraviolet laser light.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is more power than the US produces in 1 second.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a step in the right direction to fusion power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Israel blaming Iran for that bus bombing when they guy that did it was an Algerian-Swedish Islamist?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American woman pulls a gun on an Electricity Company worker after he assaulted her to try and force entry to her property to replace her electricity meter with a smart meter she didn't want'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy, 7, dies from flesh eating bacteria infection hours after swimming in a South California lake'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wow, horror movie planned, faux new at 11'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wow, horror movie planned, faux news at 11'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kudos to Russia and China for standing up to Herr Clinton today'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Flesh-eating Showers", coming from a lake near you, soon'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Death from triilions of nibbles -- the Flesh-eating Lake Bacteria"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Trouble with Nibbles"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Day of the Triilion Nibbles"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Clinton was a great President of the Usa'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been any great presidents since JFK'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. and unlike those closet nazis G.W.Bush and D.Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'JFK was a rake and whoremonger'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's closer to Stalin than to Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jfk took us to the moon....we haven't dont anything great like that ever since.....so all presidents and congress since then suck.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'done even.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i dunno al gore invented the internets lmao'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK was planning to scrap the Federal Reserve and return to a currency printed by the state'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the moon-landing was filmed in 1969 (some say in a desert somewhere in the Usa)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and your mom was the moon.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'my little countries president is good for dirty yellow magazine pages:('
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'at least your obama has a face'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your president is larry flynt ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has two faces'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's ok, if you have a business, you didn't make it, the government did'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(according to one of his latests tirades against capitalism and pro-communal (government) ownership)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'straight out of the communist handbook'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would win in the upcoming war of Europe and USA vs China, Russia and the Middle East?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'General Dynamics.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is he?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a he, but a big weapons corporation'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest maker of weapon systems in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cockroaches ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'probly no one most those countries have nuclear weapons and after we get done fireing them at each other a nuclear winter would ensue'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find any war will be fought via proxy'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is going to use nukes, there is no money in it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the flesh-eating and corpse-eating bacterias'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in a proxy country like Syria or Iran'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now a neutron bomb...that would be better.....kill all life, but leave the buildings intact.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Akuri you are forgetting about global warming, it would be nuclear late fall at best!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'human induced climate change'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to get excited about something that doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nature caused climate change.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just wait to see how cold it gets once the ocean currents shut down because of the influx of fresh water.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too cold, already too cold and wet here thanks to that'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with most major pollutio-belching industries shut down after a hot-nuclear-world-war, that nuclear-fall is likely to turn into a nuclear-winter'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the freaking jet stream is in Canada now.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth is obvious a republican in truthdenial'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if anything...the extra co2 we added to the atmosphere and postponed the next ice age....and that is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about the destruction pharma/aggro corps are wreaking on the ecosystem'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It is agroculture isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Er, aggroculture'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the extra CO2 in the air, the republican may enjoy all those extra tornadoes and hurricanes devastating some rgions of the Usa'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"aggro-culture" ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so far we haven't managed to establish much of a connection between co2, global warming and tornadoes etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right, and tornadoes never happened 100 years ago, or big hurricanes for that matter.....you do realize there hasnt been a cat5 hurricane since 2005 right ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cat5 in the atlantic that is....not counting the pacific, cause most of them are cat5 anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'say Tinada attempting to mimic the stereotypical "ostrich"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Zade's question.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the amount of bad science coming out of the believer camps is staggering'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican "ostriches": they stick their heads in corporate lies and avoid deducing the truth'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when the co2 levels are 3x higher than now...then we can worry...but it will never reach that point because of us...power generation technology is improving way to fast.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not a demopublican'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrip? rebloodlican?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or a republicrat'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US co2 production is actually dropping now because of technology efficiency.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that and moving all the factories to china :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly the being paid to move them to CHina'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then wondering why nobody has a job'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tinada obviously did not study science logic in school'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'factories produce little co2 compared to homes and commercial buildings.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'when the official limit for this.. radiation thing rised too much after chernobyl the politicians cured people with rising the approved limit.. 10x or so.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most coal plants have modern co2 scrubbers now, and the ones that dont are closing within 5 years to be replaced with natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am quite stupid and ignorant, yes. This does however not make the AGW-science any better.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change is just a thing the UN jumped on to try and make a grab for power and resources'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is close to 61% oil independent now....up from around 40% in 2000.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'number of people on food stamps in the USA doubled in just over a year'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they allowed more people to qualify.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 in 4 people qualify for food stamps now, compared to 1 in 8 a few years ago.....it was made easier to qualify so that people who need it can get it easier.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still irrelevent, more people on food stamps means higher costs, bigger debts'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and perhaps since JPM makes big $ from managing the programs and Walmart etc. make lots of money selling the food'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans want to turn the Usa into a country of poor and disenfranchised'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'just like the democrats, then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much what Obama wants, too, you mnight notice a pattern'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left/right, they're the same'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama and Romney are even funded by the same company'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they agree on pretty much all major policies'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where's your choice?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Obamacare" isn't a major policy then?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obamacare was written by Romney'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sometimes it's better to vote for a good candidate who can't win, instead of the bad candidate who might defeat the worse candidate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while governor of massivehugetits, written in conjunction with the health insurance corporations'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but Romney, the flip flopper that he is, has publicly stated that should he be voted into office, he'll start the repeal of Obamacare on day one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd believe a flipflopper?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either he's lying through his teeth or he intends to go against his own agenda to appease the right.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly both'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either way, liar or flip-flopper with no principles. Or both, yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Having everyone covered by health insurance is good, and it seems pretty barbaric and crazy that the US hasn't gotten that far yet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i doubt he'd get rid of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So if Obama and Romney agree on most things, Obama's still the better candidate.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since it's written for the benefit of the health insurance companies and pharmaceutical corps, NOT the public'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least he's not openly lying to people's faces about major policy stances.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Nevertheless, the Obamacare way really looks set up to benefit insurance companies and large corporations again. I'd be willing to bet pretty much any amount of money that Obama didn't read the thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US provides universal healthcare for some people....just not all....I guess those programs are good enough to exist...but not good enough for everyone....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and I need to learn to type faster than Tigernuts..'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. provided free healthcare to a very select number of people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska natives have free universal healthcare ever since statehood.....paid for by the US govt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And trust me, Obamacare is a setback for the medical corporations. Could it have been better? yes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the Republicans fought tooth and nail to wear down the original proposal to its current state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And ANY step forward is better than NO step forward.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can it possibly be a setback?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it guarantees them profit'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it guarantees them a monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They cannot continue the bullshit practice of denying people coverage due to pre-existing conditions?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Healthcare insurance should be a public/gov't/tax thing, if only for the greater pooling effect and eliminating profit- and rent-seeking middlemen'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not if it's the public option.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no public option'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah. the Republicans made sure to kill that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd studied the Uk model, you'd see what Obamacare is, is the absolutely worst of both worlds'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if there had been a public option....everyone would have joined except the people who have private insurance already.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he wanted social healthcare, he should have fucked the insurance companies and given everyone social healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They tried?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The republicans and several turncoat democrats voted it down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or filibustered it, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was vested interest involved from the very beginning'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always look for the vested interests :-0'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US politicial system/processes are so messed up, it's almost pointless to try to assign blame to either party.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm off to bed, maybe you should discuss the US Boy Scout associations' decision to uphold a ban on gay scouts and scout leaders'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's quite easy when 100% of a party votes a certaim way whil 5% of the other party votes the same way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I rather liked the 2 term limit for all politicians, don't recall who suggested it'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna loves talking about that'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1 term in office - 1 term in jail'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What about George Zimmerman going on Fox News stating that him shooting and killing Trayvon Martin was "Part of God's plan"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how he REGRETS NOTHING of what happened that night.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'lol he said that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eZxpwb0UYuk'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So he's a bit crazy, then. That doesn't mean it wasn't self-defence.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It couldn't POSSIBLY have been self-defense. If some random loon (who's OBVIOUSLY CRAZY) is following you in a car WITH A GUN when you're just walking home, it is not self-defense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade blames the callous greedy republicans and tea-party douchebags (aka "unamerican" traiters) for causing some/many of the troubles in the USA
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even IF Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman to ask what the FUCK was wrong with him, HE had the gun. And he SHOT TO KILL.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'it is if you attack him....this will probably end up being negligent homicide'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Negligent homicide is if you ACCIDENTALLY injure someone and they die.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's either innocent due to self-defense or he's GUILTY of murder in the 2nd degree.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'it is also when you instigate circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to understand the Stand Your Ground law allowed Trayvon Martin to attack Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'If it did, why is he in jail and under investigation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why the FUCK would Martin attack Zimmerman when he was unarmed and Zimmerman was armed?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not negligent - premeditated purposeful homicide '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can't claim to have followed all the details in this case, but originally the police closed the investigation because the only available eyewitness supported Zimmerman's self-defence explanation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not true at all, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, don't forget that Zimmerman probably planned on skipping town once he posted bail originally.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, if someone has you down on the ground, banging your head into whatever, then shooting him, even shooting to kill, is self-defence, I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Well, FUCK aside, he maybe attacked Zimmerman because he thought he was being robbed and could wrestle the gun away...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman self-incriminated Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least it was when I studied law..'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'he and his wife used code when talking about his 2nd passport and their extra money and then they lied about how much money they had so they'd have to pay less in bail.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? The only reason for what must've been that they planned on leaving the country. I'm surprised he was even allowed bail after that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'that doesnt imply guilt to the original crime, just their knowledge that they  might not get a fair trial'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why are you believing a KNOWN LIAR, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zimmerman LIES ALL THE FUCKING TIME.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND he's a religious loon.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So why take his word for it? We only have his word that Martin banged his head on the sidewalk. No DNA or blood spatter proves that claim AFAIK.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Whut? I read the original accounts when released by police, and stopped there, since whatever really happened, there's about 100% probability that someone is going to make a career out of trying to convict Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman deliberately stalked provoked and killed the "nigger" -- a premeditated murder and also a premediated hate crime'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hell, if it had taken place in Texas......there wouldnt even be a damn trial.....self defense....end of story!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why wouldn't he think he'd get a fair trial?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the evidence disproves his accounts?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Texans are blatant racists (?)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wouldn't expect to get a fair trial in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'moral of the story...make sure you shoot someone of your own race...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, a guy protecting his neighborhood from a goon trying to steal from the neighborhood.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trayvon Martin LIVED in the neighbourhood. He was on his way HOME.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, this debate is boring, lets go back to co2 production destroying the world.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'So why is their no evidence that shows trajectory analysis?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'yes, Rizgoth. It's boring because you just told a BLATANT LIE.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth sank to another low -- support of hate-crimes against law-abiding "niggers"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'in reality, zimmerman probably told him to stay and get on the ground, martin probably tried to fight him, got upper hand, zimmerman pulled out gun'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He had NO RIGHT to tell Martin to get on the ground. For all martin knew, Zimmerman was a robber.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Surely just because Martin was found with apparently stolen goods, drugs and whatnot, doesn't prove he's a criminal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The stand your ground law allows Martin to attack Zimmerman in that circumstance. Zimmerman had ZERO authority to do what he did.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'he had stolen goods? that wasn't what i heard.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He might, for instance, have been an off-duty Goldman Sachs employee.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For all Martin knew, Zimmerman was a loon with a gun lying about being a neighbourhood watchman.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rizgoth is LYING, Kraken.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also Tinada, apparently.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That was on another occasion, while at school, iirc, he had a bunch of jewelry.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And who CARES if he was a criminal? He wasn't doing anything criminal AT THAT TIME.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, what authority does a neighbourhood watchman have anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'most of em just seem like busybodies to me.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't personally care about the Zimmerman case and as such have no particular interest in lying about it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying you've been caught shoplifting, Tinada, thus, if I stalk and kill you next week, it's OK.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ZERO authority. The dispatch officer Zimmerman talked to told him to stop stalking Martin and not to get out of his car.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, you know, he had no authority.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'you dont have to listen to dispatch'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say you had to.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't care if Martin was a convicted famous bank robber. He wasn't doing anything illegal on that night. Zimmerman had no right to stalk and kill him.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'they will NEVER tell you shoot someone, even in your own home'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was merely expanding on Rizgoth's suggestion that Martin might not be a saint. Construing my statement as implying anything else is somewhat disingenuous.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... yeah they will.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the states where it's legal, they can and will tell you to shoot intruders.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'they should outlaw murder so people don't do it...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aterius, desist from the flawed conjectures:  if "zimmerman probably told him to stay and get on the ground", that was a "mugging" and when Martin's death resulted as a direct result of this "mugging", Zimmerman is (automatically) guilty of murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'conjecture or take zimmerman's word for it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada, i wasn't even referring to you when I said "HE had lied". I was referring to Rizgoth. Didn't even notice your little statement at that time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'one of the two....i asked for analysis of bullet trajectories'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'God, this is a riot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada tickles Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rizgoth's statement: "lets see, a guy protecting his neighborhood from a goon trying to steal from the neighborhood....."'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claimed Martin was actively trying to steal that night. I said he wasn't. Then you jumpe din with "Surely just because Martin was found with apparently stolen goods, drugs and whatnot, doesn't prove he's a criminal."'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So even if I HAD read your statement first, it seemed pretty clear you were agreeing with Rizgoth, implying Martn had been stealing ON THE NIGHT IN QUESTION.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's ok, I shouldn't really mess with this since you actually care.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada apologizes to Summoner Yuna with a very sincere look on his face.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rizgoth: Martin was trying to steal from the neighbourhood! Me: No he wasn't. Tinada: Stolen goods was found on him!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'A case of mistaken identify means it cant be 1st degree murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What reasonable person would not assume you meant he was trying to steal on the night in question?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OF COURSE it can be.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'they really found stolen goods on him?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NO.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And who the heck did Zimmerman mistake Martin for?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The school decided not to puruse the jewelry case, apparently.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or pursue..'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'one of the black youths that was burglarizing that neighborhood for over a year'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He ALLEGEDLY stole some jewelry or whatnot at school. You know, minor locker theft or whatever. Nothing violent. ALLGEDLY and NON-VIOLENT being keywors.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it's inconsequential seeing as how he wasn't doing anything illegal on the night of the shooting.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'regardless, even if he was a thief, zimmerman couldnt shoot him...but what if zimmerman was patrolling and he was attacked, THEN he pulled out his gun'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BUT HE WASN'T.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'the main thing they teach you in concealed carry class is that brandishing is a MANDATORY 3 year sentence'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Where you a fly on the wall watching it happen ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'were even...sheesh.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to Zimmerman's OWN testimony, this is not what happened.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Conceal carry people don't pull out their weapons...i am scared to death of someone seeing mine'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to his OWN testimony, he STALKED Martin while Martin was simply walking home for NO REASON other than that he thought Martin looked "suspicious".'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I just have a hard time believing Zimmerman walked over and shot him just like that...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are someone will try to steal your concealed weapon if they know you have it....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So unless Zimmerman is LYING to implicate himself, Martin did NOTHING wrong up until the moment they amde contact.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aterius, have you read ANY of the information avaialble on this case?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I wonder how many cases almost identical to this happen every year but garner no attention because they don't involve 1 white and 1 black person.  People are so racist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Enough to know i don't have enough facts to convict him of first degree murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who's said anything about first degree murder? It's second degree murder.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are enough facts, from Zimmerman, to convict Zimmerman (of second degree murder, perhaps first degree murder)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This is why neighborhood watch, real ones anyways should always use digital recorders in their pocket etc when 'patroling' the neighborhood.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By his own admission, he's guilty of AT LEAST second degree murder, UNLESS Trayvon attacked him for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, for which we only have Zimmerman's words and Zimmerman is a KNOWN liar.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zimmerman is a loon. He probably wanted to play the hero, wanting fame and whatnot. And he made all the wrong choices. Bottom line is: What happened that night was entirely his fault.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Yes Rizgoth and eventually we will have gun cameras that will be affordable for consumers'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman commited a crime by aggressively stalking and mugging the victim, then directly subsequent to the mugging, the crime of murder'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the flying fuck...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, Zimmerman's cousin has testified that Zimmerman has molested her for years since she was a teenager.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'was that under oath?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, hey, Martin probably attacked Zimmerman without provocation because he stole some jewelry at school... maybe.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '(honest question, i don't know)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman (paraphrased) "this is a stickup -- hand over your freedom, or die, or both." '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'i was wrong. She claims it began at AGE SIX.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it was under... something? Apparently a taped witness statement,.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he was 8 at the time, or something like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zimmerman is 28. We have no clue what age the cousin is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would give decent odds he was abused by his parents'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How could you possibly know the cousin is 29?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean 26.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was in the article I saw'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh wait, I missed that. She's 27 now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the traditional case of Zimmerman Transparency, his lawyer filed a motion to keep the allegations under wraps. Denied!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Zimmerman is guilty of making other concealed carry people look stupid, that is for sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if it might've been a case of "but my father touches me there too"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or mother'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The scumdag lawyer also tried to seal 145 of Zimmerman's phone calls, many of which included calls where he and his wife talked in code about their finances.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to the cousin, the molestation continued for 10 years, 'til she was 26.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and now, for something completely different! Rebels advance in syria!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is the end near?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'wait was she living with him?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and where's assad after that suicide bombing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer Wendy's because they get their beef from the US and Canada, while the others get theirs from south america.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it started at age 6, continued until 26, went for 10 years, and she's 27 now?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from 6 to 16'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not every single day, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and is US/canadian beef really better than south american?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The last time it happened, he was staying at her parent's home.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, that's a typo. 'Til she was 16.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Not the best guest'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes it is.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australian beef is good also.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which ones have higher incidence of mad cow?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'british'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think back home we get the aussie stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some countries banned us beef at some point over the mad cow thing...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I can't wait to read Massad Ayoob's take on this...that and Gutsmacher (sp?)...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure what the status is now, I think they threatened skorea with all sorts of things to get them to reallow imports'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only Japan has, but they have banned pretty much all imports of beef unless it has been tested for madcow disease beforehand...which the US will not allow.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and the US banned european beef for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US FDA banned the pre testing of cattle for madcow.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the testing of ALL cattle that is'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they still do testing on like 1 in 1000 cattle.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Japan does that? I wish we'd do that too... ban it all unless it has gone through screening...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless it costs way too much'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would add pennies per pound.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why would they BAN testing?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '$&# american politicians'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Money. From food corporations. That's fucking why.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '#*$&#* american voters'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't simply make it not mandatory or ban mandatory testing. They banned it altogether. Yay!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They say it would be impossible to test all cows in the US because our industry is so large....but that is bs, most smaller beef ranchers would love to test all their cows and proclaim their beef to be madcow free...but the govt wont let them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be unfair to test all cows just because some cows got sick and died.  That's like searching all Muslims because some Muslims hijacked a plane.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they won't let them, or they don't want to do it out-of-pocket?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we eat cows... we don't eat muslims.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the ones against the testing are the big factory farms, because their cattle are the unhealthiest.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, and if they allowed testing, I guess it would force them to test too, or lose market share.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it would make them spend more on actually passing the testing'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lower profit margins just so the peasants can have safer beef? Oh no, can't have that can we?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'safe water? Psh, that's for those communist europeans? Clean air? Bah, socialist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but because of that rule....Japan stopped importing over $2 billion in beef each year from the US. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan also banned the exporting of kobe beef outside of Japan....so any 'kobe' labeled beef in the US or anywhere is not real kobe beef, so dont pay the high price for it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sticks a "real kobe beef, freshly smuggled from japan!" sticker on another package of beef.
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Japan has NEVER allowed the export of Kobe beef. And there's absolutely no regulation of what can be called Kobe beef, no.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on a side note, I'm still amused that smugglers can make money smuggling sugar from canada.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a country that doesn't even produce sugar...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sugar prices in the US are artificially high compared to world prices. :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... and the average consumer doesn't care, because sugar's pretty cheap. It's only when they realise that sugar in processed stuff is replaced by hfcs...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the US used to produce sugar....lots of it....in Hawaii and other US territories in warmer climates.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and US companies owned big ranches in sugar producing countries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a celebrity named "Kobe" -- he dead yet, and is he doing cameo reappearances in cans of "Kobe beef"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now most sugar grown in the US comes from sugar beets from utah, idaho, and some other western states.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to make that sugar compete....the US put a tariff and import controls that basically doubled the price of sugar in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also didnt help that Monsanto had created a new process to extract sugar from corn.....hence hfcs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without that tariff, that land could be used for more productive purposes'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the import restrictions are now used to keep cheap brazilian sugar out of the US.....otherwise the corn farmers would get hurt when the ethanol refineries stopped using their corn, for the cheap brazil sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the "madcow test" were inexpensive, less than a dollar, then testing all the cows is possible'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they could switch to some other crop...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or corn could be used to feed people instead....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, imagine that...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'corn is for alcohol, end of story'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'corn manipulated human genes to produce more efficient distillers'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cost of ethanol would probably drop by at least $1 a gallon if we stopped using corn, and switched to sugar from south america.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'feed corn used to feed animals, is hard to cook. and tastes terrible (-- the mildew and mold does not improve the flavor either --) compared to the taste of sweet corn sold for human consumption'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but a 50 pound sack of feed corn in cheap -- mayhapse Rizgoth may "enjoy" eating a few sacks of feed corn '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making ethanol from the farm waste is the holy grail though.....then we wouldnt need to use corn or other grains to make the ethanol.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont eat corn...it is bad for you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'off of rizgoth's bucket list: wander alone in a corn maze after dark'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet Rizgoth suggested other humans may be fed with corn -- double standard here'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with 20 naked playboy bunnies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as voters think there's little difference whether they vote for very corrupt guy 1 and even worse guy 2, and split between them, the politicians will continues thinking that there's no harm in getting even worse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '*cough*republicans*cough*'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that "insight", Sonshi, does not improve the situation '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'make it clear you'd vote for the slightly less corrupt guy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, slightly less likely to screw over the country guy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, other humans should be eating corn, and feed the grass and corn to the cattle so I can have my steak....and a few leafy vegetables on the side.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope Sonshi, more likely to depress the voter so they do not vote at all, as any vote is a vote for corruption'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, that sort of attitude is why corruption keeps winning.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Be clear. Any vote that puts anyone, anyone, in power is a vote for corruption. You have to decide for yourself what kind of corruption you can best tolerate. Not being super-rich, I choose non-super-rich corruption, generally.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, multiply that one vote with millions more that do not vote...and that is why nothing changes.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, depressing fatalist comments bludgeoning the voters is what is supporting the corruption'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on a slightly related note, a couple of high govt officials back home, department heads or something, got arrested for allegedly screwing employees of contractors...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one got arrested for allegedly inflating travel claims'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having fun with interns ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, interns are fine'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless they work for the contractors'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've got to vote for the slightly less bad guys, if you want to punish corruption. Doing nothing just enables it'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once it becomes clear that there's a strong preference for clean govt, the next batch of candidates will be cleaner'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, this year we shot 17 wild pigs on our ranch......lots of ham this year!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as it is, us politicians don't care too much about corruption because the voters don't care enough about it at the polls, no matter what they say.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'it would help if the polls even included anything about corruption in the government.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wild pig is tasty.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did Dru improve to offering happy advice, is the Dru description of world politics offering signposts to the straight and narrow happy path, or does bitter doom and gloom offer incentive to world improvement -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, if romney wins, that's going to push the limits of conduct somewhat in a certain direction...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'you mean zippers will be superglued?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, even if the polls don't say anything explicitly about corruption, the fact that the polling numbers hardly waver when one candidate is much worse than the other says something about the average voter's priorities'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'could there be corruption of the polls?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'more information on what the candidates are actually going to do helps a lot too. A lot of us americans are rednecks who just think "zomg patriotism!"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "logic" shown in this debate channel may be an indication of the "logic" shown by the lowly voter (or maybe not)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'rephrase Is there any doubt of corruption of the polls?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the capital gains tax goes back to the regular taxrate....there will be a huge rush of money being transfered to tax free bonds.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, even if they rig the polls, it can't be rigged too much without being too obvious...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if there's widespread rigging, regrettably, there's only one way, historically, to solve that'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'REVOLUTION!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and yeah, sadly, most voters don't care enough yet to see what the candidates are about'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'widespread investment by citizens in national tax free bonds, displacing foreign interest cannot be a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, more people should put their money into tax free muni bonds.....start rebuilding this country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there are already such bonds... and you can't force people to buy them...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if the capital gains tax goes back to what it was before the bush tax cuts....people will downsize their income from stocks and put it into tax free bonds.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'The so called free market makes such bonds more accessible to large baks and foreign interests than to the average citizen'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tak, another of "*****'s useful idiots" calls out for revolution -- as though prior revolutions were not a lesson in massive bloodshed and further worse corruption'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if romney wins and successfully cuts taxes on the top bracket, I can't help but predict a budget disaster... next time there's an emergency, there'll be nothing left'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, anyone can buy tax free muni bonds using any online broker...and the min investment is blocks of $5000'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'very few revolutions work out okay, and those that do are usually bloodless'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the libyan one hasn't fallen apart yet...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'there we agree. The next big dip is likely to be a disaster. and sequestration courts that dip/disaster'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'encouraging news from the latest elections'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'muslim brotherhood crushed in their first elections in decades'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'syrian govt on defensive...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, sectarian violence and retribution is a big worry there'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reducing your taxable income is always a good idea....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think tax increases will happen anytime soon though, considering democrats are about to lose control of congress in the next election.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, Democrate are preferable to Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, a republican victory will push the acceptability needle yet another notch in favour of corruption...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... any opinions on the impact, etc., of the syrian suicide bombing, or the recent offensive?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the current salary of congresspeople is now $174,000 per year'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not too much, really...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only a fraction of what they really get!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'politicians - what you don't pay them, they get by screwing you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like an NBA player.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the salary of congress has been frozen since 2009.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. Some syrian rebels are saying, essentially, screw you, looks like we don't need your help now'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg perk given to congress for office workers is $1.5 million'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more border checkpoints seized by rebels, govt forces in apparent disarray, judging from reporting by reuters'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the max amount the congress person can pay a staffer is $150,000 per year, out of the $1.5 million per year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'refugees fleeing en masse following the forced openings of the borders by the rebels'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so 10 "friends", eh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Outside Employment Income is generally limited to 15% of member pay. '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'specify per politician or total, since 1.5m total divided by several hundred politicians is econimical'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they can earn another 15% on top of the $174,000 per year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'economical'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it is $1.5 million per senator or house member.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All investment income of senator or house member must be put into trust until they are out of office.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 1789, the salary for senators or house members was $6 per day.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: '6 dollars per day? Greedy bastards.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that more or less than it is now, I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1855, it went to $3,000 per session.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'during the great depression, they made $9,000 per year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'while the avg american made about $2 a day back then. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'I'd like to counter your point, depression isn't great, it is sad :('
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1965 is when the pay of congress started to go up quickly....went from $22,000 to $35,000'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'astronauts made $18,000 that year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not the base pay, though. That's extra.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, that is base salary.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not if they are in the military. They also get their grade pay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1991 the salaries went from $96,000 to $125,000....the largest increase in congressional history.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that was base astronaut salary, not including hazard or flight pay.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and grade pay'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, and with the recent release of this year's IMO results, I can't help but note once again that iran seems to be educating its women better than the US. Iran. I mean... Iran.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'astronauts also made around $12,000 a year from Time magazine for articles, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a good job :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'considering how often they actully work :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think it would be easy to do better on that measure than a repressive theocracy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually*'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more training than anything though'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and public appearances, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the training to be an astronaut is brutal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially back then.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how hard they work, and the skills they have, they're probably underpaid, if anything.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why military test pilots were used.....highly skills, and underpaid. :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if the training for ranger or seal. But once the training is done, the level of stress is greatly reduced.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so is*'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'astronaut training is never "done"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they did ok.....most of them became millionaires after leaving NASA.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's always some new piece of eq, some new delivery system, some new interface...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, for people of anywhere near that kind of education and skill, millionaires are a dime a dozen'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corvettes at cost for life is a nice perk though.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure there is always something new, but something new for an expert doesn't mean the same something new for an neophite.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of which, I wonder what's the latest with the china program...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'neophyte*'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rarely are there major improvements in avionics.....it is usually just a small improvement.....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is when a new person learns the avionics that it is a struggle to learn it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the scramjet program is going places, and that looks to be a giant leap forward'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'mach 20 ....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the china program is really the only thing that can give the us a kick in the behind now...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question would be why would they need a pilot, since a human can't react fast enough to do anything at mach 20.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its not piloted'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a kick they need if nasa is going to do big things again.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, scramjets are not piloted...the g forces would kill you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it certainly employs more people thought'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, perhaps njot kill you, but it would suck I think.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, they could spend all their R&D money into ways to improve society, but let me put down the hookah and get real.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'shrugs, someone has to be too big to fight for there to be "society"'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US wastes a lot of money on stupid things when we could be spending it on a new moon mission...and a moonbase. :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Ninjas in iran? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2012/feb/19/irans-female-ninjas'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the moon is a harsh mistress'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there are at least 2 records of military personnel having been exposed to 45 Gs. The sled they used to test for the X15s and once somone had to be bail out of a supersonic jet at 90K ft.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us will think about a moonbase when china looks like it's serious about getting there first.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this was in the 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, China is being smart, why duplicate all the work everyone else has done already?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'john glenn when he bailed out of that silver rocket ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not Jonh Glenn, this was before even the Sputnik.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was a test pilot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'was it me?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it could have been :) You are old enough :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here is the stuff on the sled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stapp'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'did he end up looking like a resident evil monster?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'connect 2 atlas rockets to my donkey......Donkey in Space!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 small asteroid that is 2% gold/silver/platinum group and mostly iron ore would pay for the moonbase, and mars base.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, if you can guarantee that the gold+ would not go to the "contractors".'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering they wouldnt be allowed to 'own' it, it would be in the contract to salvage the asteroid of where the ores go :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that China's efforts to go into space will end up in warfare. The US has dreams of owning the universe so it will try to swat down any competition. The Japanese and the Europeans don't count because they would not take a military force into space.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most likely the salvage company that went to get and mine the asteroid would get a % of the ore mined.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why not all? The rock doesn't belong to anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or do you actually think the US has jurisdiction over the Asteroid Belt?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the legality of it is beyond me, but pretty sure there are laws against a private company from owning an asteroid, or another planet, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and extracting the ore to bring back to the earth and then eventual sale would go against the long arm of the US govt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they can get it, they'll own whatever they can get from it. "Use" is permitted.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just incorporate it somewhere else, and land in a neutral country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure the US is arrogant enough to have enacted those laws, but they don't have jurisdiction. Anything they do out in space can easily be labeled piracy. The international maritime laws already cover the issue adequately. '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like how private companies need govt permission to launch rockets into orbit.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'US companies'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the most preferable equatorial country to land for such a shipment would probably be mine, really... Would be easier too, since they can headquarter there too.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no corporation is going to fund an expedition to find a suitable asteroid to mine it without extensive govt funding.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just build them in the us, and ship the rockets and systems over to us!'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'don't bet a SpaceX spinoff won't'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SpaceX has a $700 million NASA contract :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only because people in government are already involved with the company, even if collaterally. So, the government "oversight" is just another way to insure that those in government get their cut.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's done completely privately, it would not be surprising if they decided to launch from an equatorial country.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you already pointed out that space operation are self-financed. Private enterprise need not get government funding, but they do risk government reprisals if they attempt to cut them out of the deal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, most mining companies do business with multi national banks.....unless they want to be blockaded, they will give the govt its share. :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'history is already full of examples of how empires deal with their colonies :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but chances are, they wont be able to get complete private funding for such a thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I doubt a privately financed moonbase will ever get off the ground without govt help.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'the fourteenth colony was Great Britain'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe not now, since many corporations are controlled by old foggies who still believe that space is a fantasy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps someday we could use nanites that could mine the asteroids, and separate the different ores, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or use them to build solar panels on the moon.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'certainly beats using them to defy the political pressures preventing development of productive fusion power'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should I fart on my mom or not?  thats the real debate here.........'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'methane wasted to the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler sulks in the corner.  Baby!!
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we stopped using coal to produce electricity.....what could we use it for ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hold up the ground above?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'barbeques'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dirkdigglers mom could do that......FAT.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, charcoal is for bbq's :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'barbeques are a great use of coal'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hmm ok i suppose'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal would add a nasty taste to bbq.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'and you could tell how?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'non open fire! '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we might as well keep using coal to produce power since there is nothing else to use it for....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'except holding up mountains'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mountains are overrated....they will erode away eventually anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is the best use of coal, keeping the ground from collapsing on itself.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'flatten mountains so we can build cities on them! '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'equality'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need the coal tunnels for when the asteroid hits.....need a place to live.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sound like you've been to Pittsburgh :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wouldn't want only some people too drown when sea levels rise'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'or my uni'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, the sea levels are not going to rise THAT much.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sea levels are not going up, land is sinking :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'stop being reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wrong Chan to be reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '(try gclan for logic) '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gclan is far from logical.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes it is'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using coal for power when you have a 200 year supply is logical.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal power is down to 40% of the national production now though...and continuing to drop.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there were thousands of years of oil when they first started using it too'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure it's logical, always set your technology for stuff that's temporary. Who gives a crap about the future generations that have to scrap the junk and stasrt all over? I mean, look at what happened to gas lights :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would have no problem giving up coal power for natgas power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or more nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that jsut postpones the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are no alternatives that can replace them right now, or in 20 years.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem being that all that crap comes in a finite amount.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention that the crap also shortens the life expectancy of everything except amoebas.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is a nice dream.....unless you enjoy watching tv or using a computer when the sun goes down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'batteries...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'nanotechnology will make the dream a reality'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suppose we could cover every roof with solar panels, but that would cost 100x more than using nuclear power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'battery tech needs to improve'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is only a "dream" because it's an emerging technology. I am sure you are not saying that it is impractical in the long run, because you are you'll have to explain how we will keep from sinking back into the stone age when all the fossil fuel is gone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and emerging technology that is 60+ years old  :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an emerging'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, do you think that those getting rich from oil have not done anything to impede the research?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, fossil fuels will never be gone, because we can create it from algae.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it would be carbon neutral.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's a matter of cost efficienc'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'perhaps you should read about how perpetual motion engines don't work.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'oil price will keep rising'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does pm engines have to do with algae ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I dont think oil prices will go all that much higher for a long time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering there is so much supply now.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said that fossil fuel won't ever be gone, because of algae. That is subject to the law of diminishing returns for one, and for another, unless you have a perpetual motion engine, that source will be gone because at some point the amount or algae required will be too great to produce the necessary fuel.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'and the sun is going to burn out at some point too i think we need to throw money into researching that too how to keep it burning'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a $50 profit is still a really good profit even if the $70 profit oil is gone.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'by the time the sun burns out we better have terra forming tech and space travel'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or do you think that the algae supply is inexhaustable?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'inexhaustible*'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'as inexhaustible as lettuce'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can grow algae, just like you can drill for oil, algae produces more energy than it takes to grow it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe you should also read how eco systems work...'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't get something for nothing, everything requires energy, so the algae to fossil fuel thing is a perpetual motion engine.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'algae is really low in the eco system, easy to isolate and grow in farms'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, but it isn't, so it means that eventually the algae either will be gone or it won't  be enough, same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure you can grow it, at the expense of something else.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are not exactly getting oil for nothing......it takes energy to get it out of the ground, well the same is for algae....I do not see a problem with using energy to produce algae when the energy produces from it is larger than what is put into it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to pay the piper, always.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, algae by itself isnt the answer...we will need a variety of energy sources.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but algae oil can reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like how electric hybrid vehicles can reduce our dependence on gasoline or diesel.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'but raise our dependance on coal fuel cause we have to plug them in at night lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, coal shouldnt be providing so much of our power needs.....20 to 30% is good enough....'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more natgas power would be nice.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would like to see solar and wind get at least 10%'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10% combined, not each.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what blow my mind is that you rather spend all that effort on producing oil rather than in harvesting the gigawatts of energy landing on the planet daily and basically for as long as the it exists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would rather do both, if you could figure out a way to provide it at night.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for natgas power plants....you can't just turn off a baseline power plant and back on each day as you need power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas power plants are mainly used when you need extra power....and turned off first when you dont need the power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'amazing :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power production in the daytime is great.....but at night the natgas power plants would need to run to produce the power lost from the sun.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and of course, the output from the Sun is so minimal that storing energy for use during the dark hours is out of the question.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if the problem of storing that power could be solved. :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we have moved from flint axes to solid state circuity. I think that we can solve that problem too.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could turn the extra solar power into hydrogen, and then use the hydrogen in a fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that would cost much much more than a natgas plant.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you do love to burn things don't you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'come up with an alternative that works, and I am sure people would do it. :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't, I am not trained for it. But I am sure that there are those who are either trained already or can be trained to solve the problem. That's how humans have moved to this point from the stone age.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pump water uphill'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also, fuel cells do not burn hydrogen to produce electricty.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must hate them, then :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it doesn't burn, it's not worth having :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so using extra solar power to produce hydrogen through electrolysis and then using the hydrogen in a fuel cell would work, except that it would cost 3x as much as other power sources.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power doesnt burn anything to produce heat, and I am all for nuclear.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, you could have horses moving in a circle turning a wheel around a magnetized pole :> I mean, we don't want to move forward scientifically. We want to still use the same basic technology that launched the Industrial Revolution. If it was good enough for them, well, it should be good enough for us :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suppose I could put a couple horses in front of my natgas vehicle, and tow it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but until that wonderful utopia when all power comes from solar panels and wind turbines.....I will keep using natgas, nuclear and coal.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you sound like an "old foggie" :) Just think that there are still people alive that didn't believe once that airplanes would work :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and spite of them, we were discussing earlier about planes going at mach 20. '
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fogie, ffs. :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hydrogen fuel compressed storage is too dangerous and expensive'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention barbaric :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how is compressed hydrogen dangerous?  It would explode up :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the people on the hindenburg who jumped would have survived if they had ridden the damn thing down as the hydrogen burned upwards.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pre-assuming they were not already broiled and barbecued while riding down'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's a little heat anway :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that somebody did not actually watch the film footage of the Hindenburg
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I sure there is someone who hasn't watched the movie :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like disasters :) Was fascinated by the sinking of the Andrea Doria :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'singers ruin their reputation singing about disasters'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they wouldn't have survived.  Maybe they wouldn't have burned (then again, they were actually only a few feet away from a 12-alarm fire), but they likely would've gotten killed by the fall or the fact that a whole lot of support superstructure landed on them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there are 2 things people will always sing about :) getting laid and getting killed :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gordon foot-in-mouth'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's got another cd out recently'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean gordon 1-nonsec?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1-nanosec, that is :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'hey have any of you ever gotten the fruit-basket? I haven't'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'The Fruit-Basket. Is when your woman cups your privates into her hand & stuffs them between your legs to suck you from behind.'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just what I wanted to discuss :) Should she use her left or right hand?'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'academic, actually. In my case she would have to use both and might require help anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the career of ozzy osbourne....actually dazed and confuses....he can't remember a damn thing of his musical career. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'such it was'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil doers are trying to weaponize ebola virus....'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weaponized smallpox kills up to 40% of the affected..'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an outbreak of influenza H1N1 in mexico spread around the world in a week, and killed hundreds, it could have been worse.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt researchers managed to reconstruct the spanish flu virus that killed 25 million people in 1918-19......'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over 80 cities in the US now have biologicial sensors on buildings to detect bio or chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda surprised he used a shotgun, and not a p90.....a multi shot shotgun has 8-12 shots, but a p90 has 50'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- how are you not the mech?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evenin folks'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really should get rid of the UN'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN declaration on human rights Article 29 section 3: These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the UN'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read as: Do as we say, not as we do'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can always rely on the good people of Colorado to pull out a gun massacre whenever an important arms control treaty is about to be signed....'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, the denver shooter was part of a neuroscience/mind control program'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds vaguely familiar'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMr2VrhmFI&feature=plcp&hd=1'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He died due to using up all of his remaining Ki.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how nice, the avg mortgage rate for multi millionaires is 1.7 %, and the avg rate for billionaires is 1.05 %'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'why would a billionaire take a mortgage?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'OPM'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'other people's money'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'not sure what that means'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because, they can earn a bigger return on their money if they are using it, and not handing it over to a bank up front.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'it means if the billionaire uses his own money to finance a house he loses the future opportunity of that money'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they use stock as colateral to back up a low interest loan on a house.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zomfg Zoranth is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'simple example: if you buy a house for 100k rather than 2k (bank financed) you have 98k to buy future houses with, which could be potential sources of cashflow'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you had the money to back up the loan, you could get also get a low interest mortgage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'in other words, the billionaire already has the money, and the bank has all the assurances they need, therefore allows this risk-free loan to have a low interest rate?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'yup..having the cash on hand also gives you the opportunity to persue other opportunities, rather than having all your cash locked up in one deal'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you're saying this like it's a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nobody wealhy has a lot of cash, it's all in assets'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It isnt, that is how multi millionaires become extremely wealthy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you mean it's how really wealthy people become even more wealthy, according to the original statement, they didn't get low interest rates when they were not wealthy'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you had something to back it up, you did.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'think about it, lets say duplexes in a certain city cost on average 100k each, and you have 100k on hand and the bank will finance you for the 100k with 2k down. would you rather buy 50 houses, all bank financed increasing your cashflow, or would you rather buy one house outright'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you had a house paid for, you could easily use it for colateral to back up a new mortgage on another rental investment'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'if you're willing to lose that house in case things don't go as planned, why not? some people prefer to have some certainty and buy just one'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the problem with leverage is when the underlying asset falls in value, hence the current financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is the diference between the middle class and the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'sure, but its a slower bus to wealth...how the rich get rich is velocity of their money..making it work harder via financing (good debt)'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'still don't get what is the problem about wealthy people getting lower interest rates'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, my house has a 2.8% mortgage rate...thought that was pretty good at the time...and I put 50% down.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'still, you probably ended up with negative total balance after you signed the deal'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'just guessing'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'market tanking?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not in north Texas'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'its good'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: '?'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'clandonate 300000'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas didnt experience the high runup in home prices like other parts of the nation, or the high unemployment.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'nice'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I paid $160k for my 4 bedroom 2.5 bath home with 2 car garage, pool in backyard, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'wow deal'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and plano texas is ranked #4 in the best places to live in America.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 of the fastest growing economies in large cities are in Texas....the Austin area, Dallas-Ft Worth area, and the Houston area.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who knows, in the future, Austin might even replace silicon valley as the tech center of the US.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kind of annoyed that E-surance sold out to allstate....after the sale happened the jackasses raised my insurance cost by 20% for the next year....so I switched to farmers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, pepsi max.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mmm, poison'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have some pest control chemical if you need a good drink.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'i know, you said so'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pepsi max is good for you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'sure...'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a ranch in Mexico for sale.....98,000 acres for $20 an acre.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: '2 mill for a slice of what they mean when they say "middle of nowhere"'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the ranch is located in north central mexico, with rolling hills, grasslands, 16 water tanks, a ranch house, corrals, and water rights.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but no infrastructure...'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a ranch for cattle....what more do you need ?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure the cattle will enjoy it :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'john wayne it :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, to late....it just sold to someone....it was listed for a whole 62 minutes. :p'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the ranch didnt have electricity from a grid, but it did have 3 wind turbines, a 15,000 watt solar system, and battery backup.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I guess that would work. Put in an earth station and I am set'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the place is enough far south to hit the equatorial satellites with no sweat :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build a nice adobe home with 2 foot thick walls, and you wouldnt even need AC.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true enough. A lost art.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'www.calearth.org'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and don't forget the floor about 2 feet below the surface :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'so, any takers on this james holmes' fellas motiviations? conspiracies? cover up? experimentation with mind altering drugs as a neuroscience student?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What did he do?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'he's the guy that shot up the batman premiere in aurora, colorado'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'allegedly, i should say. guilty until proven innocent or whatever, right??'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'forget that, make him watch the movie all the way through, I say. No mercy, none.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno, could it be racial, that seems to be a common theme for insane people (refer to norway).'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: 'test.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Vatican owns about $8 billion in real estate around the world.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: 'And they make about 316mil a day in tourist ticket sales.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, per year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Vatican lost $6 million last year, but the Vatican Bank made over $400 million it is estimated, on deposits of $20 billion or so.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least Catholicism is profitable with all those subscribers -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: 'Yea, I was mistaken. I was thinking 40k visitors per day at about 25 a head. The average was around 39k visitors per day when we were there in May. The 300 mil was what I remembered talking about, and I got it mixed up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The survivors of the Colorado Batman shooting are strangely calm. They must still be in shock, not yet comprehending what they just went through.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm watching interviews with some of them and they're just strangely detached. One guy talks about his friend who didn't make it in a calm manner. Two people (possibly a couple) look and sound as if they're discussing the weather.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if they are not told that they are (supposed to be in) shock, maybe they won't go into shock'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'and who knows sometimes it takes a little while for it to fully sink in and they could be denying it some too'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if they are not told that they are (supposed to be) in shock, maybe they won't go into shock'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe the unscathed "knew" that their "time" was not yet up)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the nonexistent) god works in mysterious ways'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade trolls: seems that some of the vultures^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H peanut gallery are more in shock (from disappointment) than the "survivors"
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'BABY KILLING....good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'uh'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good.  Ever had veal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'come'on i'm trying to get a very long debate....'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but that soul of Hans had a good point too'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'consider that these 'babies' you ask about are mere constructs of your mind's interpretation of what may, or may not, be sensory phnomena.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my mind just blew up'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'i win'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'think i'll go eat a baby'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to Schroedinger, there's an infinite number of babies in an infinite number of states.  There's no way you're going to thin the herd, but that's no reason to not try.'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not actually what he said...'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what he said was that the baby was in all possible states until the wave function collapsed (by observing the baby).'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who was it that said Shroedinger didn't have it quite right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cat, the spca, peta '
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Shroedinger made up the cat as an example of how ridiculous quantum uncertainty is'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you could say that anyone who agreed with the Copenhagen interpretation :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wait are we still talking bout killing & or eating babies?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my bad'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'im all ears'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we rub them onto us too, Dirk.  What did you think they made baby oil out of?'
T3/r7/2012-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point of Schrodinger's experiment was to show that the Copenhagen interpretation was wrong :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Krugman once agains complains about (many) economists' obsessions with assuming perfect rationality'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Well, if the assumption of perfect rationality breaks down even in the most standard of micro settings  if consumers behave in a way inconsistent with full maximization even when doing something as mundane as choosing which type of gas to put in their tank  how absurd is it to insist..." - http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is a three day suspension from school considered harsh or lenient in the U.S.?'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(In general, not for any specific offense.)'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '.-h'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see police have been terrorising the public in Anaheim, Ca'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's CA, who really cares?'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the women whose kids are being mauled by police dogs probably care'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff like that will ultimately result in the public revoking permission to the police to be policed'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'For some reason, I don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But thanks for sharing!'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well we can expect you to be the last to stand up for liberty, Quad'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a vested interest in the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I know, I'm all about dictatorships'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So that means I hate freedom'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets just hope it's not you the police come and shoot in the middle of the night because "they got the wrong house"'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be terribly unfair were they to kick the practice of bribing MDs to prescibe more/specific pharmaceutical products if you haven't managed to ride on that gravy train in your career yet'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, James Holmes was wacked out on Viocodin when he shot all those people'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well since he was a democrat and on viocodin, we should ban both of those, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what does Vicodin do or fail to do -- pain relief? --- failed pain relief,  perhaps leading to homicidal rage at those that caused the pain, or homicidal rage at human vermin, or ...'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows, we only have the feds' news release, and you know how 'reliable' they are'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some believe that pain-relief manufacturers deliberately put irritant substances in pain-relief meds to cause longterm chronic pain and increasing dependence on pain meds'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'xchan'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't say, all i can say is that pain meds are genuinely worthless and shouldn't be taken long term'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but given the track record of big pharma in ripping off the public at core level, i wouldn't doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they bribe doctors to overprescribe, even when it's not safe'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also fake vaccination safety and efficacy trials, knowing full well that the government immunisation program provides immunity against prosecution'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when corporations become financially as large or larger than the countries they operate in, then you have massive problems'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a solar powered hat that runs a fan to keep you cool.'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I hope it's not bladeless, those things are so dang loud!  I got a tabletop version and to get any breeze going it ends up being as loud as my radio.'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'anyone up for a debate on baby killing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'debate is closed! :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'go.'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'nah, that was the debate'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2012-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler gives you a BIG high five!  Way to go!! 
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2000, the average worker was making 58 cents an hour in China. Today, it's a little over $4.  By 2015, if the pay scale keeps growing the way it has been, the avg pay per hour in China manufacturing will be $6 to $7.'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good.'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'well that's good, that means they'll probably be living better off than americans by then :^'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're a true riot those Palins. 4 year-old Tripp Palin called his 18 yearold aunt Willow a "Faggot". His mother Bristol Palin just laughs in response. I wonder where a 4 yearold learned that word...'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, Willow chastized Tripp repeatedly to telling them he hated them, telling him she'd rinse out his mouth with soap. In response to the "Faggot" comment, she also just kinda laughed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently I was wrong. He's still 3 years old.'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'what the fuck! Belanie!'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'miss'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Willow -is- a faggot'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically using an offensive word to cause offence is the point'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, dual wield...'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: 'Hrm'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: '?'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fukashima cleanup team employers have been getting their employees to fake the radiation readings so that the cleanup could go ahead despite many times higher radiation readings than they were allowed'
T3/r7/2012-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since Yuna always screams "sources", https://rt.com/news/fukushima-radiation-fake-readings-763/'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'sexism!'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'debate whether a joke is funny?'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun sales in Colorado up 43% since Aurora shootings'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mayor Bloomberg should be arrested for treason'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at the very least, inciting civil unrest'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'kill'em kill'em all make an example out of them'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think I agree with you, but since he banned large drink cups and then supported the hot dog eating contest I'll go along with it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, need to ban welfare since that's what allowed James Holmes to buy guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Malkar, I was referring to his statement "Police should go on strike until guns are banned"'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have been arrested and put in prison for publicly saying stuff like that here'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'interesting suggestion, I would like to see a computer simultaion of that, (the reality doesn't seem like a good idea.)'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but I guess being a Mayor, and a democrat at that, he isn't subject to the rules he inflicts on the rest of us'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dumbass, bleach-drinking witty comments went up about 4000% in the same span.  I mean, really, how stupid do you have to be to be standing in line at a MOVIE CONCESSION STAND, get mad about how long it's taking, and then ask the crowd in general "Hey, anyone got a gun?"'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shooter was let in a fire door by an accomplice '
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent gun crime went up 40% in the years after UK banned handguns'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't he also ban sugary drinks?'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he banned large sugary drinks, and is about to ban popcorn'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll ban breathing if he thinks he can get away with it, the guy's a cook'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's Obama secret bum-lover'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they share a love of collectivism and everything Marxist'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the copycat guy who tried to go colorado?'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you always get copycats trying it on at events like this'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign writers in London in preparation for the Olympics wrote some signs in arabic'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and rather helpfully put "N O D N O L O T E M O C L E W" instead of "Welcome to London"'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it one of them signs where the letters go all the way through the structure so that they look correct from the proper direction?'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a regular banner that some spack didn't realise that arabic writing had to be joined up and written right-to-left'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't be too hard on them, it is London, and their education was most likely free'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, syrian jets have started bombing the rebels'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'A victim of the Aurora shootings will have medical bills amounting to 2 Million.'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'should have had insurance'
T3/r7/2012-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): <3 DJ Matty falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Statistics abuse: If current trends continue, the US diet will be 100% sugar by 2606'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, if current trends continue, 100% of all americans will be obese by 2056'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, now that's interesting'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Barrack Obama's birth certificate has turned up on microfiche in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope the police listen to Comrade Bloomberg and go on strike'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll see what happens'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you're talking about in the US, I believe that'd be illegal for them to.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he should be prosecuted, as a person in a position of power, for calling for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a carefully co-ordinated and timed false flag '
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't unspeakably foolish and against the best interests of joe public, i'd have commended the strategy'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, Scotland parliament allowed gay marriage today, so Comrade Yuna will be happy'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, VA state senator blames racism for Romney gains'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, the lefties are getting desperate....'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is leftie'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, if you oppose the chosen one, this must be obviously be caused by your own moral flaws or ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i'm not American and don't support Obama, so much like Larry Pinkney, I must be racist'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you guys see this on the news about 95% of greenland melting yesterday, from satellite images not captured since 1885.. probably core samples, then today they're saying antartica is melting cause of the grand canyon http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ what do you think?  are they making it up, is it normal or are people like the characters in nintendo's worms armageddon?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that article says it's not global warming'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the fact they posted the article is UN agenda 21 propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware Michael Moore was a fat smelly faggot?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'was? did he finally die?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately not'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's still there polluting the airwaves with his ill-considered crap'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'shame on you for getting my hopes up'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt that fast food will catch up with him soon enough and he'll get diabetes'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'i don't know, i'm kinda skeptical here, bad things rarely happen to people who deserve them'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'and if he doesn't get it soon enough and die, they're probably going to develop a cure, the only chance we have then is him getting treated in cuba'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'KILL BABIES'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but not the white ones *grin'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'll kill all babies.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you just eat them after i kill them for u'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Ever suggested cannabalism, Dirk?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i'd eat human flesh if it were fried or cooked right'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just sayin'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I agree.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'especially if it were from a baby!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Kill a female and bake her ass lol.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'nice!  have me over for dinner sometime :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'With bacon strips across her cheeks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'll hit you up man no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows deeply.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'in that case make sure she IS white LOL'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'LMFAO.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What about a black bitch.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Probably taste like shrimp.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys have no class...'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you mean "schrimps"'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'll just try the meat on her fingers first. Start out small.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I have 4  actually.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'tastes like crack'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Undertaken Anaristos's antics!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'whatevs.....u guys have no humor like me and Dakrum! '
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum enthusiastically high-fives a cup!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum enthusiastically high-fives Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): What a loser. Dakrum has the dumb and a new EPIC FAIL record!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'now GO FRY ME A WHITE GIRL'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'GET TO IT, ANAR.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, I just don't find racist jokes funny.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you're racist'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Since when were these racist jokes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'im mexican'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'jk'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that crack about crack was certainly racist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my friends say i look chinese, mexican, & italian....but im totally white ( look on the aard FB page)'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'That's all Dirk xD'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'youre racist for thinking only black ppl smoke crack'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum is agreeing with that Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ive smoked it b4.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you are racist for saying that after you mentioned "black bitch".'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'that wasnt me but i did LMFAO'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I mentioned eating a black chick.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ROFL'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'How is that racist?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've screwed a black girl once....therefore i cant be racist *grin'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I am black.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ok she was a fatty but sitll'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'no it is sexist'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you explain why the skin color has to be mentioned, maybe I will understand.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'How is that sexist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'you would eat a black chick?!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ew..'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'So talking about skin color makes us racist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'holy shit its 2012 stereotypes are ALLOWED nowdays'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I understand.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'whats wrong wif ya maan'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What about you Bigman? '
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I wouldn't eat a black chick & I am black:P'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've gotten used to ppl calling me mexican my whole life so i dont care'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'When you turn 13 you may begin to understand hahahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, stereotypes arouse from racist attitudes, so using them is racist.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Really R. Bigman's antics!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum yawns at Arnica.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Undertaken Anaristos in the face with a fish.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'again...its 2012 get over it'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, it's 2012, grow up'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you hear about that olympic triple jump chick that got banned for her 'racist' tweet?  that shit wasnt even racist in my opinon'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, will never get over it. It is that kind of attitude that keeps the people of society separated like oil and water.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What did it say?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'anaristos...are you from america?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'bc we're sooooo used to it here'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and only other countries dont understand why we hate ppl on wellfare :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They can't, their hormones prevent it. Doesn't make it right. (Or tolerable.)'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'From eating a fresh human, to racism, to sexism, to hormones.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum gives a round of applause.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler enthusiastically high-fives Dakrum!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'we're all over the place :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'can't keep us down '
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'm still on cannabalism lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am not. I've lived long enough in the US to know what stereotypes are, I just don't understand why they need exist. All people are the same, at least elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'im on baby eating'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'how about baby raping?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'like 2 months'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Is that possible O.o'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"All people are the same" is malarky'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'The same in what way?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'his dick is small enough, it's quite possible for him to rape a baby'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i rape babies, kick them up in the air, then shoot them with my shotty like the dude at the batman theater.....what too soon?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Eat some more sugar, Cornholio '
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Not soon enough lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea...id be silent after hearing that remark too'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i think theres something wrong with me *grin'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I graduated high school in the nude.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'so did the girl I walked up with'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Epic.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol i had to hurry and throw weed out of my pockets during my graduation....didnt know theyd have cops with dogs there'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Oh shit I forgot dirk. Chck out documentingreality.com'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You will def want to sign up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'first glace at that website....yes im in :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I knew putting sugar free sweets in the White House was a good idea.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my roommate is from colombia and hes always showing me crazy shit on the mexican news they wouldnt dare show in america'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum enthusiastically high-fives Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Haha yeah!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'like some dude the drug cartel interrogated then they chainsawed his head off'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Saw that one.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you would lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Also saw another chainsaw beheading but it was 2 guys. 1 chainsaw, the other a dull knife.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol "2 guys, 1 cup"'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'is it wrong i kinda got a stiffy watching the "2 girls 1 cup"?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Never watched that one. Seen 1 man 1 jar? Gay dude lol.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'hi'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'while im on debate...is it wrong that i just got my dealer to bring me a quarter bag of some dank ass nugs and i forgot to the bag in my car so now its stinking up my pockets and im afraid my coworkers r gonna smell?'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'forgot to leave'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Swallow it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'fuck that!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Hi Jim, friend of bigmouth Bass'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'wha strain dirk'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'what*'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ive been 3 days without gettin high!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i dunno...i hate weed names'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'cannot tell'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'ive been 4 months :('
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'im calling this one smurf piss'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'no really though...3 days is a long time when i've been like high for 10yrs straight'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i did do alot of coke the other night though'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You need some baby meat.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'glad im still considered a 'responsible person' as far as i have others fooled *grin'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'BABY MEAT INDEED!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler enthusiastically high-fives Dakrum!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum begins to sharpen an enourmous butcher knife.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum enthusiastically high-fives Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh lord im even babysitting some lil black kid in a few days....man i wouldnt trust me lol jk im good with kids'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i might put this kid in the oven though'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just to taste baby meat'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TadpoleJim lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops TadpoleJim!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Dude...you could.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea well his mom is friend with my girfriend so that would mean she woudlnt give me anymore vagina im sure'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'i love dark meat!!!'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at a tadpole's antics!
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Take it to grouptalk or echo. This has gone on long enough'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'well wrong tadpole but u get it'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Roger.'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'HATER'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i gotta get some work done anywayz ...ttyl'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler.
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ima look up some baby killing jokes in the meantime....'
T3/r7/2012-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and the jizz has to be mine'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It amuses me that these hippie dippie people want to take fluoride out of the city water supply "because it's poison and bad for you".  These are the same hippie dippies who were having unprotected sex, dropping acid, and smoking drugs when they were young, and now they worry about "poison".'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'lol smoking drugs.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's just as amusing is that many decades ago, when fluoride was introduced to municipal water systems, it was the right who vehemently opposed it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'By smoking drugs, I mean smoking drugs other than weed.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's ridiculous, all these hippie dippies bitching about organic food and whatnot, 30 years ago they were snorting coke and heroin, smoking PCP, eating peyote, and generally getting fucked up anything they could get their hands on.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong with getting fucked up btw, but worrying about "poison" ?  Does not compute.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'the dippie word might be what's throwing the seriousness for me. lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just refer to them as hippie dippies'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because they're hippies, and they're rather dippy, as in, stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Typical Obama-voting idiots'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'ok. understood. never heard dippy before. Rgr'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'George Carlin had a character called the hippy dippy weatherman'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Then when they all have rotten teeth, assuming they have any teeth left after their drug binges, they'll be bitching about that and demand that the public utilities/government/etc. "do something" about it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'can't help stupid people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They'll bitch and moan about it, "but not fluoride, maaaaaan, that shit is poison" ... all while popping nitrites and taking turns fucking each other in the ass.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not just poison, it's mind control :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. Problem is, people change their minds over time. If that weren't allowed, then the right wingers who so vigorously opposed the introduction of fluoride into municipal water systems decades ago wouldn't now be allowed to regard it as a valuable public service. What's good for the goose...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Poison in the water, that sounds like a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, on the one hand, water has been fluoridated since something like 1947 without mass deaths due to poisoning. On the other hand, dentists haven't gone out of business :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's this lake about 120 miles from me, they claim it's more polluted than the great lakes were in the 1950's and 60's, treated sewage and agriculture, it's kind of scary to think of, if people caused that where people used to drink the water out of it, what else can they cause?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Chemosh, considering that it was humans who created Chernobyl, I'd say we're capable of causing all sorts of regrets.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they do that in their own land, claiming it's just too expensive to listen to any advice how to deal with the problem, then how will they do any good for any other land?  i am a pessimist, but unfortunately that problem seems real'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hear the government saying 'bring energy company to this place', royalty's for the government, not how they'll use that money to clean anything up, that's not even included in their austerity measures spending cuts'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death's not even their common enemy anymore, it's too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there used to be alot more animals on earth, and they shat and pissed wherever they shat and pissed, and also more plant life, and they survived - but now with only human animals in the majority and all their advanced sciences and their lesser mass of bodily waste generated they're poisoning all of the lakes and rivers and oceans for progress and have never survived their own destruction to prove that they are on the right track'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but something beyond biological life calls the humans onwards, but is it god?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just how it looks to me, if they're atheists not doing it for religion as a whole then are they collectively suicidal, self-hating, prejudiced idiots, deceived by their own invention?  demanding to be right in the face of their own destruction?  what illusion's more important than reality?  only live so long though and the rest is unknown, it just doesn't look too good for the long run cause i'm a pessimist'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and for me, trying to comprehend the type of person who would get rich by killing vast swathes of land's survivability while monopolizing the compromised population within it isn't very conceptually different than those devil's from the 1930's sometimes, i only have so much faith in human ignorance and what they claim to have knowledge about shows me that's probably correct, of course nobody wants to think about genocide and death all the time, but what's gonna happen eventually?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are they going to avoid that forever, cause they show themselves to be responsible shepherds?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they go and fight on war's on terror across the ocean and thousands of miles of land, but don't confront the destruction within theirselves'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause there's just no economy in that, it's too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it sustainability to exhume the guts of your nation and send the minerals to china?  who's the long term philanthropists who picture the world of exhausted resources or the ways their exhaustion will take your nation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that a long-term productive industry that guarantees a future for yourself and your family?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''they say' 1000 years or more, that's like eternity to us'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have they ever lied?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'damn rights and lots of other things, just stuff that makes me crazy to think of but is hard to shake from thought, what matters to me most people can comprehend but accept they can't do nothing about it, even though they think it's wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just like to see why so many people comprehend death and what takes their mind off of it long enough to pretend it'll never happen, at least not in their time frame - this is caused by humans, not god'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and human inaction too, i can look up alot of research and technology that has been rejected by the leaders of society, sometimes they say it's too expensive, others they don't say anything'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that illusion of the atheist resembles a religion to me, and they resemble the devil's of the 1930's conceptually because of what i learned'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, atheism requires as much faith as theism, so I can see your point there.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people used to save up all year for a trip to the national park, that is now a toxic industrial generator of work opportunity and national wealth for instance, so all of the slave's puny dreams were destroyed because of the higher calling of their collective master who's will be done on earth as it is in heaven, amen'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is talking like a 'communist' by refering to the populace as "slaves" of the "collective master" -- also bad dialogue but perhaps typical marxist-leninist, is misquoting and adulterating the NT scriptures so as to insult the christians'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's figurative perspective speech, my perception of the light in which i see them in'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's opt-in too, if they fit into my perception then that's what they do, i talk to be proven wrong sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, that was bad speech poison pill designed to ruin your political chances'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never wanted to be a politician and the only lawyers i ever liked were in john grisham novels and matlock'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is a temporary 'puppet' of some sublimanal override'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"subliminal"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was referencing my earlier speculation that the world is ruled by atheists who probably don't follow a illusion more important than reality'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so adding in my comparison of 'his will' was alright'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i considered stuff like that before even reading the story of bel and the dragon, but that one's pretty interesting to consider'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''lest i come as a thief in the night' is included in the gospel, and the priests and their families came out from under the table 'the dog is worthy' to consume the offering to bel every night, and the king of babylon was upset at these deceivers, and the babylon whore is mentioned in the gospel - i remember these parts of the story and wonder if the story was somebody's historical perspective of the gospel and the church/bible, or if it really happened like that if it influenced the gospel story later on'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're human in that story'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can conceptually place things like governments getting rid of the filth from areas of interest to other nations being like the 'painted lady' you're warned about from the bible too'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except you insulted the christian god by misusing that "done on earth as .. above" scripture  -- that is how some christians are going to interpret that misuse'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a chain of words not even in their original language, i don't see what's insulting about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'insulting might be like allegations on bbc news of the vatican funding the adult film industry since the 1950's'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh says he uses words but disclaims to know what they meant .. tsk tsk'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'ignorance still doesn't make it right lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's wrong about it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they make jokes with serial killers, adolf hitler, religious figures, races of people and all kinds of things on south park cartoons which air on general audience teletoon at night, what's worse about non-flagrant contextual usage of what they include in their offensive humour?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, stuff on debate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again without congress approval, why doesn't that make him a dictator?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not up to speed on this, how is Obama "signing away" the second amendment?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN treaty on gun control'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'we get on just fine here in the UK without guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all that aside, I wonder why one party insists on treating it as some sort of self-evident, ironclad right, when the guys who wrote it didn't, and shouldn't have.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'most people just use knives instead'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, gregor, we do, only the criminals have them'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what guys wrote what and shouldn't have what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I believe we are still allowed to own swords in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you believe wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's a blade where blade + handle is above 6 inches, it is illegal'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'You are just not allowed to take them out into public'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they thought it was an absolute thing, they wouldn't have bothered to add all that stuff about a well-regulated militia'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, and you can't use it to defend yourself'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'How did I believe wrong then? I mentioned nothing about handle length.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you misunderstand what they meant by militia, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'You've just confirmed we ARE allowed to own swords so long as they are within certain specifications'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not making any assumptions about what they meant about militia'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'It's pretty clear that the right to bear arms comes from the belief that revolutions are a natural and necessary part of maintaining a democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'and for bear meat!'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'allowing civillians to carry guns is stupid imo'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that was the core of it, it was to give citizens protection against tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's that if they wanted it to be an absolute right, they would not have mentioned anything else. They probably thought (hoped) that people in later ages would use some common sense in future amendments'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why when a dictator takes power, the first thing they do is remove guns from the population'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a constitution isn't a place for writing trivial things, after all...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm going to invest in a gunblade'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would all be in a very dangerous place if you pissed away your constitution, which is what is happening'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get what you deserve if you let it happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just feel sorry for the people that you'll be screwing over'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some countries prefer lower violent crime rates at the expense of not fulfilling certain... fringe desires. Some countries want to express those desires more strongly at the cost of more death... to each their own, I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, not at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seem to be under the illusion that gun law is related to incidence of crime. It has more to do with culture and poverty than law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'guns don't mean more murders or crime :P Canada has more guns per capita than the US by a large margin without them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly, but incentives do matter'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, fates'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the highest gun-crime countries have strict gun laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and counter to that, among the lowest gun crime countries are some that have full public ownership'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be kind of odd to argue that lower access to guns would not decrease violent crime'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's self evident'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it would be kind of naive to argue that gun laws changes access to them'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'lower access would.  stricter gun laws may or may not significantly change access.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lower access makes no difference, Criminals don't care about the law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they used to make "Polish" jokes during, at the end of WWII, and decades after'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only reasonable question, really, is how much it would decrease it, and under what circumstances... and how you can effectively control access'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or questions, rather'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hmm what's switzerland's rankings for gun crime and murders I do believe that adult citizens there are required to own and prove they are proficient with automatic weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'switzerland is bottom 10, fates'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is Vermont (if it were considered a country)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you look at gun crime hot spots in the US, always poor places, Chicago, LA, NY, Louisiana'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole "criminal don't care about the law" betrays a lack of understanding about incentives... a sweeping generalisation that has no place in policy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun crime clean spots, Vermont, Texas'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh it's illegal to own guns in NYC'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are in no position to talk about sweeping generalisations'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Polish government pre-WWII disarmed the populace -- and Polish paid dearly during WWII, and after as the target of Polish jokes'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in Chicago, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot a pattern?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'that just means the people being hit are not likely to be able to shoot back.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'incentives for violent criminals are to be able to continue to be violent criminals...hence not caring for the gun law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a few points on the militia part...(1) it wasn't drafted with the constitution...(2) many of the drafts of the amendment made it MUCH clearer that it was designed as an absolute right and did not include the militia part...(3) those writing the constitution were NOT a militia when they had their guns and used them...(4) the militia clause is about the why, not the what...at the time of the writing of the constitution, it was thought that guns would have continued relevance...pretty much the only reason that [if the founders were here today] they wouldn't consider guns to be a right would be because they'd realize how little guns would matter in an overthrow of a modern government'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, piecemeal legislation within a country does very little, as guns can be brought in from other places too easily... unless restricted at the federal level, access would not change significantly'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'they should outlaw murder because of all the people who get killed...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't think Obama would be stupid enough to torpedo his campaign by 'signing away' the second amendment'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way things are going in the world, you'll be glad you were allowed guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guns can be brought in from outside the country quite easily as well...plenty of entire countries where it's illegal to own have very high gun crime rates'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so youre supposed to rent guns when you go hunting or what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, they left their justification in, so that future generations can see what reasoning underpins that "right"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He might sign the thing after the election, win or lose, though'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, you're supposed to be a vegan just like a responsible little greenie'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, the reasoning is to be able to have guns when you decide you need them'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, the revolutionaries were NOT a militia'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it would be unreasonable to ban people carrying out fully automatic/heavy weapons in public outside of state emergency situations'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they became one...when they took up arms, they were not...they were able to take up arms because they had the guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really it's down to the states, not to Barry Sotiro'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'fully automatic weapons are illegal everywhere i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, these days it's pretty simple enough for entire populations to gain access to small arms pretty rapidly when they do need it to fight a government, gun laws or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they wanted to ensure that it would continue to be possible in the future'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I reckon they should just take the bullets out of everyone's guns, that'd get them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, the way I see it, even if Obama did somehow "sign away" the second amendment, the voters would just overturn it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't overturn a UN convention without leaving the UN'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and charge Obama with treason '
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that "right" isn't really relevant anymore when it comes to defending national rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which personally i think you should do, since it's a wack place'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'it costs like 10,000 a year to have a class 3 (i think) license which is fully auto'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, but you can abrogate the treaty'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, it was *NEVER* about defending national rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no voters, there is no president, and no political system'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the revolutionaries were NOT a nation to defend'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The excuse is to disarm everyone so FEMA can take over'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't feel comforted that other people are able to overthrow the government.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much it, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're the US, nobody can make us do shit that we don't want to do, and good luck to the rest of the world enforcing jack shit on us if the general population turns against the Obama administration and whoever supports this measure.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They use MK-ULTRA slaves to commit terror acts against people as a pre-text to scare you into giving your rights up'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the rights of the people, I mean'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works pretty well, dosset, it's why they use the same tactic over and over again'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People will violently oppose having their rights taken away, so the illuminati scares you into giving them up'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'the difference between a peasant and a citizen is often, a gun'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, starling...while it's fun to be all "we're the US"...the US does in fact need the cooperation of a good portion of the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'corrupt governments run by corrupt greedy miscreants prefer to disarm the populace'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Starling, sadly, the US is simply a factory for the U.N., which is proxy for the illuminati/New World Order'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our "America" no longer exists'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Even if the US can't just ignore the treaty, we can make hell on pretty much anyone else's proposals/treaty ideas/etc. and strong-arm them into giving in to us.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these days revolutionaries can make much worse than small arms in their backyards... that "right" really isn't relevant anymore...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about Obama taking you to war than anything else right now, though'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR under Stalin committed mass murders'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are certain perks to being the most powerful country in the world, and the political strong arm happens to be one of them.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow zade, you sound like chemosh ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Those actions are not to serve Americans, but rather to serve the CFR/U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'So, would taking small arms from criminals just incentivize them to make bombs in their backyard, instead?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're mind controlled with predictive programming by the media so we blindly support what we think is being done for us'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you really wanted to, backyard mills the government can't keep track of can churn out some pretty powerful stuff. The main reason why they don't, is because there's no uprising.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're really sheep in the yoke of a government that cripples us with fiat debt to churn the mills of the illuminati war machine'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds crazy, but watch what happens this upcoming Olympics'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt anything will happen at the olympics'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade was a rightwing hawk when younger, mellowed into a socialist, yet a hawk 
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A nuclear false-flag to terrorize the world a la 9/11, so the U.S. can pin it on the target of choice'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like Syria'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'restricting access to guns, putting aside how you could effectively do that, will reduce violent crime with very little impact on the population's ability to resist an authoritarian government.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at all the symbolism Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will not, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's covered with their one-eyed Eye of Lucifer shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to reduce crime, deal with poverty'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are very arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, dealing with poverty will reduce it even more...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think that's all there to wind people up, Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's marking it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemoh does not yet know where Chemosh is heading'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but restricting access makes it much harder for violent crimes to be committed'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi: bullshit, as has been repeatedly shown across the globe :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The mentality is "we told you this, and you sheep were too stupid to listen"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't...AS HAS BEEN SHOWN ACROSS THE GLOBE'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree with everyone'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'It would reduce violent crime, but it would take a good 25 years to do it. The US already has 250m+ guns, do you think the government can just go collect them all?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you are all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree and agree with Gregor'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'restricting access has NEVER restricted the access of those whom never would've had legitimate access to begin with'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, I probably personally know a half dozen felons with weapons :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, claiming it doesn't is tantamount to arguing that normal laws of incentive does not apply to criminals, that criminals are somehow... ENTIRELY random.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'If people are innocent until proven guilty, then a nonfelon citizen should have no problem owning a gun'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making guns illegal is not an incentive to criminals, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor is it a disincentive'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi, no, it's claiming that what you're CLAIMING to be laws of incentive don't apply'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making guns LEGAL is a disincentive to criminals'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'id you want to claim that it has been "shown across the globe", I will point to singapore's low violent crime rates'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among others'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, that's down to culture not down to law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same principle as Japan, which has low murder rates period, guns or not'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'career criminals follow another set of laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in half of the middle east, it's illegal to own guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and making guns illegal isn't the same as restricting access...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did their gun violence drop?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they have a high suicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you actually have to get the guns out of the system'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'exactly, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get guns out of the system'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'making guns illegal does *NOTHING* to restrict access'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say you're going to get sugar and fat out of the diets of everyone'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'take the blue pill'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi is either clueless and or a troll'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to stop underage pregnancies and std's by getting sex out of the system'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no solution, in any country, anywhere on the planet, to removing access...including sporeland'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'cain false, it restrict access to guns from people who obey the law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The gun control debate is really about disarming the populace from defending against a .0000001% tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Has nothing to do with stopping homicide'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I was talking about restricting access, not making them illegal. Making them illegal is only the first step in a long and tough road to restricting access. A road that a country may find too exhausting.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks for the update, aterius :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, criminals do not follow laws.  A gun control law is thus circumvented by criminals'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for one, you'd need better and cleaner enforcement...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is only crippling the law-abiding citizen from suffering from the bottow-dwellers'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, did I say it was easy?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government does not want better and cleaner enforcement'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not not easy...it cannot happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a suggestion, how about you leave guns in the hand of the public'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They have their own agenda, and the wellfare of the people is not on it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'happened for us...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this isn't Legoland...quit PRETENDING that what you're saying has any pretense of truth'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it didn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it should be , without the people they are weak and vuln'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'granted, it's easier for us, but it wouldn't be impossible for you guys too...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a corrupt government is likely to become more corrupt and arrogant when that government does not fear the people'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The truth is that all the weapons and drugs/narcotics come from the combined intelligences of CIA/MI5/Mossad etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's proliferated by organized crime'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '6, dosset, 6'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5 is internal'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ok'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the last time there was a gun related crime, some guy was found dead in a public toilet.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mi5 = fbi, mi6 = cia, in US terms ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'witnesses heard a gunshot, police did not suspect homicide. Turned out to have been a security officer...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'CIA is a piece of shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must've been years since an actual criminal used a gun back home...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle-east is a bad example -- the ignorance and religious intolerance of the populace may be turned into a murderous frenzy by religious zealots'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we do have a lot of stabbings... but the victims very often survive them, unless it was premeditated'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we need to take any lessons from Singapore in freedoms and law, since gay sex, pornography, chewing gum, and failing to flush a toilet after use are all illegal'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ho hum...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of us actually would like to live in a free society'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there is that'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the middle-east, the warlords are heavily armed'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...by America'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it does demonstrate that it is possible.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course some of us would like to, tiger...that's why sonshi doesn't live there :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least Singapore is getting a few things right'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To live in a free society, we must protect ourselves from all enemies, foreign and domestic'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and many of us would argue that we are a far freer society than the us, at least'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We have made-up foreign enemies, which leaves many many domestic ones'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which are trying to disarm us, take away our rights, and pit us against each other'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would rather live in a free country that has an vanishing, practically zero gun-homicide rate rather a tyrannical one with a lower, but still vanishing practically zero gun homicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it depends on your priorities with respect to freedoms...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, I'd prefer that too'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I'd say that's possible. Just wait till we're done reforming our way.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and see how much luck you have with that homicide rate!'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well given we're going to see a slow descent into civil unrest through much of the western world, no, we won't have much luck with that homicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an educated populace may be free with lots of guns and a low-homicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and on the other hand, we're making a lot more progress in terms of political and civil freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'better to be armed and free and strong, than disarmed as slaves waiting to be slaughtered en mass'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when you think about the right to shelter, food, healthcare... the bottom half probably doesn't regard chewing gum as a big deal in comparison...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and almost all our men know how to use a rifle...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have the benefit of having seen all the mistakes everyone else has made'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope your country doesn't just remake them'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but no one seems interested in following our example...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially china'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we keep telling them stuff and they smile and nod'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(traitorous) cowards that prefer to be disarmed deserve to be euthanised'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they follow your example?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're quite happy with their one-party state'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i've spotted the issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their currency needs to be loosened, their one child policy is a disaster waiting to happen... they aren't making progress with corruption...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did WW2 not happen for you, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, and the us doesn't listen either, for the same reasons'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we had our ass kicked by the japanese'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but we were a british colony at the time, so no count!'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are people out there in power that want to control their people and have the people serve them, not the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world isn't full of purely nice benevolent people'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vladimir Putin is a strong leader, he's also not the nicest of people out there'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably the most humiliating defeat of a brit army to date, that was...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are not many true democracies out there'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly isn't one here'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't one in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, we can only elect our leaders and keep a close eye on them for any funny business...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, where are you from?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fucking moon'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if you keep voting out your incumbents for a guy that's worse just to punish the incumbent, you'll never get a good candidate. Not in a two party system.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although I'm studying in the us at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not too familiar with it, but the functions can't be extrapolated over larger CFR-held bodies like China and U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Basically, it's small enough to be run like a country, where larger "countries" are merely posing'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of people back home are complaining that all the billionaires fleeing to our island is driving up the car and housing prices'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if anything were to get too out of hand, you'd be lobbied and embargoed'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the U.N. would politically/economically gangster you into compliance'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore is basically a city of 5 million...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only real city-state left in the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'created from an accident of history'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so in a sense, yeah, we do have a small advantage in that there's a bit of a stronger incentive for the leaders to actually run the country decently...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Politics here is a charade to make the people think they have any sort of input'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but when I talk about policy, I prefer to talk about what policy ought to be, not what's politically feasible'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's the point? that's sort of like me talking about how I'd prefer to fly a winged unicorn that farts rainbows to work.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish people could force through a better agenda...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If theory cannot be manifested into reality, then it serves little purpose'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is coming from a theoretical thinker'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, but if you banded together to demand electoral reform?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naive'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Electoral reform? Break the box'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can't speak for Singapore'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that would change what is politically feasible. A first step'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The system is a sham'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the US for example, two party system, both parties bought/paid for by the same global power. They control the media, the army, the police, the government. Any attempt to start a third party brings down the full weight against you'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DoesseT speaks the truth. Ask Ross Pirot'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you have to remember, that many things are not politically feasible simply because so few believe that it is...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and the insurance companies, and the health-care industry'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or because people genuinely disagree for reasons of your own.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, their own'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there is that'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that works in situations like that is revolution, Sonshi, which is why you don't want guns removed'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're way ahead of you'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is rather hard to accept as a young and bright person, that other people can look at the same data and come to a different conclusion without being a congenital moron.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but what I said is true about many things, like the emergence of a thrid party'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, as you may be aware, the U.S. tried to pass SOPA/PIPA'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, bedtime GMT'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'demand instant runoff?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was a shitty pre-text to stop information flow - they don't want us to be educated'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Education is dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why, in the U.S. especially, they dumb you down with fluoride, bad education, and all sorts of pharmaceuticals to poison your reasoning ability'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you can get enough people behind instant runoff, like the movement against sopa/pipa...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Disarming is the next step'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they made us study books like animal farm, to kill a mockingbird, etc. in school. heh'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fun times'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1984, Brave New World, The Giver'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, it's happening...right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'we would need campain finance reforms before any third party would stand any chance, and the people who benefit from the current system are the people with the power to change it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly Harperon'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you introduced instant runoff, multiple parties would naturally emerge'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like the government-backed big corporations squelch the little guy with prohibitively expensive regulatory measures'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even without any other reform'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'and why would anyone currently in power be in favor of instant runnoffs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there'd be a huge incentive to moderate views'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No Sonshi - too much financial pressure, you'd be slandered by the NWO run media owned by Rupert Murdoch'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and if you became too large a threat, the CIA would kill you'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'with piano wire, and say you killed yourself because of embarassment for some tax scandal that never occurred'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if enough americans got together and said - we'll vote for anyone who will vote for instant runoff, regardless of other policies, it will happen.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which is why the voting system is rigged'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'old video from the 90s that has someone testifying at a Congressional hearing about that'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's not just speculation'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you tried and failed in that effort, as least you can say you tried...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'many have'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are waking up'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many of the current movements aren't so focussed though'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because we fight ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's cuz people don't agree with each other...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you really just need to ram through this one thing, and the political landscape will open up upon success...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone may agree that "current sux", but nobody agrees on what they want'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suspect most would support instant runoff, once they understood the implications'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the second part may take a bit of doing...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most even won't support "more money for everyone"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, people would argue that leads to inflation, blah blah blah... I think the case for that, while good, isn't quite as good as that for instant runoff'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Inflation isn't an issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you would think so...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here in the U.S., there's a private cartel that makes money out of thin air'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, inflation isn't an issue in this economy. Wish they'd have more sense.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'in the us it would be more of "the rich don't deserve that money, they have enough already" and "the unemployed don't deserve that money, they don't even pay taxes"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are starving us out, and that NWO puppet Bernanke keeps playing the same record'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want us to squirm and get desperate, go riot in the streets'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, I suspect that they think "it's cheaper to help the unemployed than it is to jail those that turn to crime"'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So they can declare a state of emergency and have FEMA take over'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Unemployment here is induced'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're told to get a higher education, else you won't be hireable - when you graduate, you're 200k in debt and don't have a job'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more inaction than induced'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you're reliant on Big Daddy Government'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that's more a (tragic) comedy of errors than a plot'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's induced'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '40 years ago, a semester was something like $5k at Stanford'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's been made prohibitively expensive by the universities, which are businesses, in tandem with the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and 40 years ago, a new car was 1,500'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'having some sort of training does make it easier to get a job... and a degree is one form of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their goal is no longer to educate and invest in the next generation's human capital, but rather to saddle it with debt for a buck'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're oversaturated now'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '30 years ago, having a juris doctorate, or being an account and whatnot was baller'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now, every "bro" has a JD and CPA'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's the blue-collar fields, ironically, that are lagging'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'account = accountant'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it were up to me to reform the tertiary education system, I'd pump in a bit more money into it, with two objectives.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody wants to be blue collar'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and yup, noone wants to be blue collar'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'world will always need ditch diggers tho :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '1. Hire more lecturers based on teaching ability rather than intelligence/research. These also tend to cost much less'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, we are in agreement'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how dare you insult him like that }:>'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You would be defeated by senior board teachers, whom hold seniority and would fire you because of a perceived threat'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'universities get more funding for research'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2. Take the researchers and reduce their teaching and admin duties substantially, so that they can focus more on discovery'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc waits for it this time
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, if they wanted to teach, that would be nice too, but...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nod, I know hella lot of 'em who teach the absolute minimum they can get away with'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Teaching is made out to be low-status, and doesn't pay enough to attract those suited for it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the faculty would be really happy if you did that, since they'd generally do less stuff they don't want to do, and get paid the same (or more). The downside is, of course, that it costs the govt more in the short run.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well-educated kids are dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they don't want that'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you'd get a lot more research done, and more teaching too'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Grants are a shitshow - it's all posturing'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's no plot... they don't do it because there's no money for it, so researchers mostly have to do double duty. As researchers, and as sub-optimal lecturers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what are the researchers researching?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'out of curiosity'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's no money for it, because of the usual incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because we've likely discovered it in the last 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in physics there's that whole ongoing fusion thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tesla discovered zero-point energy'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the CIA killed him'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DosseT and Sonshi are the "new" trolls in tandem, with horridly flawed suggestions and observations '
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in math and cs there's the ongoing effort towards increasing optimisation of various things...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I don't always agree with sonshi, but he's no troll'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you never know when there'll be a big breakthrough in something random.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'MUCH less so than zade or xyliz :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they extracted the useful information, leaving us with gaping holes'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so we will forever be on the search for zero-point energy, cancer cures, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'information suppression'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the more hours talented researchers put into it, the higher the chances you'd get something out of left field like the internet revolution, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's epicycle theory'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they hide important bits to throw us down the wrong track, and then you continue further down that wrong track'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a hundred years ago people were saying that we were basically done, that we had found pretty much everything it was possible to find...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We did'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We had zero-point energy and cancer cures'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they hid it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Nazis had UFOs'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You groan loudly.
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet no computers'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no intertubes, no MUDs'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True - necessity fosters invention in that sense'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And yet, that all started from DARPAnet'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no nukes. No nuclear power. No QM. Satellites.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'run by the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're right that we have progressed, but progress has been stifled by them taking out key points of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it was all new research...so we hadn't finished 100 years ago...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the big, unforeseen breakthroughs tend to come from government funding.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I was thinking in conext of governments vs. people'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'context'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'largely because no company in their right mind wants to fund research in areas that don't seem to have any benefit anyone can foresee'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no governments vs people research'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course there is'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You know why we drink Fluoride?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Program F'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here we go again...'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, real history'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'groan kheftiu...maybe I'll catch you ready for real conversations tomorrow...tuning out now :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have fluoridation back home too... and our students are some of the best you can find'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about the fractal-pattern aerials that permitted small cell-phones to exist -- was that government-funding'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it allows special forces communications to exist'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not familiar with the background'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Do know that Fluoride rots your teeth and gives you osteoporosis'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because a book told you so? Engage the empircal evidence'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fluoridation started because they didn't want to pay money to dispose of post-Manhattan Project waste'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'druzil renamed again?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heheh'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, just alt'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1. Denial 2. Opposition 3. Acceptance'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. seems that he logged in half an hour before chemosh logged out'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'D.O.A.'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: ''1. Denial 2. Opposition 3. Acceptance'  -->  DOA  -->  Dead On Arrival'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is what happens following that algorithm - how a propos'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The report by the five-member Federal Maritime Commission points out that Prince Rupert isn't a "CSI" port. CSI is an acronym for the Container Security Initiative, a program implemented by U.S. Customs and Border Control to pre-screen more than 86 per cent of U.S.-bound container cargo. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/26/us-canada-port-security-report.html ok so they want security, i imagine they spend a billion+ a year on the resources to offer what security exists, maybe it costs less if you get a certificate of pre=approval, but that also adds a security hole because american organized criminals with friends in the CSI program will never be detected'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they have some measures against that, but what do you think?  i remember a history tv show last night where a fbi agent had a governor and a organized criminal cleared of any investigation'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they should lower taxes so that people don't get paid for not doing their jobs?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just what comes to mind when i looked over it, like the faith they have in pre-approval programs for mexican american companies'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, this here has a electronic device on it so it must be legit'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '5 member federal maritime commission, what's so special about 5's?  it's a pentagram?  there's also 5 permanent members of the un security council'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you'd expect if the government wasn't involved in organized crime itself, it would like to not preapprove anything, but offer some of the 50 million unemployed people a job sniffing out evil cargo'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i would anyways, maybe they have a justice in mind'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the world is evil, so the richest people on earth's businesses must be preapproved of being 'archons of radience' so that they don't have to go through pesky issues of surveillance and law'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we have so much faith in our own integrity that we had to fire the independent scientists who verify your food isn't laced with agent orange for your consumption and stream line the trusted process for you'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it costs too much to watch what we do'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that is the purpose of their existence'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sure monitor me and you though don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can afford to watch me, but not people who really are up to no good'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '.. possibly'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone is up to no good except them'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They erect phantoms to goad society into giving up their rights, voluntarily accepting surveillance'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, effective measures maybe they call it'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the law couldn't be that cruel, that's horrendous, lets listen to it's advice'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"national security" seems to be the favorite'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making problems and offering solutions'
T3/r7/2012-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's what i heard some criminal groups did in the past'
T3/r7/2012-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'olympics are packed full of illuminati imagery'
T3/r7/2012-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gonna have to turn 'em on tv to understand what you mean.'
T3/r7/2012-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'hey'
T3/r7/2012-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TadpoleJim: 'atheists +1'
T3/r7/2012-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope you guys watching the olympic ceremony aren't blighted by the british commentary'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're American and want some money off your prescriptions or medication, you can download a free discount card here: www.infowarsrx.com'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will you guys do me a favour and call up your local senate guys and register severe disapproval if they vote for the UN gun treaty'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody ever bothers, so anyone who does call has huge weight as it's a barometer of public opinino'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'contact my local representative to voice my support of the UN gun treaty, gotchya'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Scurvy for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why not support it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seems like the US has too many guns'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'because DEY TUK ER GERNS'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Of course, they're mostly retards who don't understand statistics proving it is safer to make them illegal...'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it has about the rigjht amount'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Vakieh person again...
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'although that's almost a side-issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would say it's the main issue with this treaty'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'main arguing point'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there a number of very good arguing points for, and very few against'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think all those who are against guns should just show their convictions by not owning them'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am against guns in homes or streets - I own 2 which never leave the range.'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pro-gun ownership and own none'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And tbh, it's not my gun which concerns me, it's other peoples'.'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here i wouldn't be allowed one'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm keeping an eye on the situation and might get a xbow if stuff starts really getting dodgty'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assuming they don't then outlaw those too'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will also arm up with tasers and pepper spray'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nothing wrong with taser/pepper spray.  Something very wrong with gun/xbow'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's good enough for the Statsi, good enough for me'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elaborate'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Never a good enough reason for civvies to be carrying lethal weapons during everyday tasks.'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I barely trust Average Joe with a car, let alone a gun/xbow/knife.'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assumes the situation remains everyday'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the occupants of Anaheim, Ca probably disagree with you right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The guns were purchased legally.  If they were illegal, guess how many peopl died? none.'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anaheim isn't Colarado, btw, different event'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not aware of it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'not in the US, I see high profile from you guys only'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not American :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You talk more of them than UK, so you may as well be'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have to be world aware'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK media is pretty insular, they don't want people to know what's actually going on outside of the borders'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, they've already created the framework for an authoritarian surveillance state in the UK under the radar without people noticing'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a constitution to protect us... which is why i'm so utterly pro-constitution in the US and go to huge efforts to try and point it out to Americans and why it's important'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they WILL lose it, and once it's gone, your protections are gone'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'you do realise the system of government in the UK is a constitutional monarchy, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kinda assumes you guys have a constitution\'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're confusing constitutional law with labels for government types'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being uncodified doesn't mean it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, the courts disagree'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or to put it a different way, an uncodified constitution basically means Parliament saying "We have a consitution which we abide by unless we decide not to"'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is also how the UN declaration of human rights works, which similarly makes it worthless'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eric Barendt has the right of it'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an uncodified constitution without seperation of powers is merely a facade to confer validity'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like hot sex'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only hot coffee'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.pipe(gclan)'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'God, those fucking vuvuzelas'
T3/r7/2012-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They need to throw those people out'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, that's it, i'm declaring war on people in their 20s and 30s with kids, the fat slappers with hordes of screaming bratts that MY tax pays for, that for some inexplicable reason completely lose track of their being other people in the world outside of their little shits, who, along with their festering offspring, swim in the section of the pool labelled "Strictly lane swimming beyond this point", and then steal my fucking towel'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's enough! them and their little shits can burn in hell'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So breaststroke, only make fists.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i did, i swam straight at em'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they soon got the idea'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Assault, officer? nah, just my swimming style'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still down a towel though'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Locked lockers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the almost militant selfishness that gets me'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They're kids. It's in their nature to be fuckwads.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the kids, their parents'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same sort of problem as people who drive like dicks on the highways'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never ceases the amaze me how much people can just be complete arses to fellow man'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'do you have a mirror? Use it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exhibit b'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes...?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same sort of people that park their shopping carts sideways across the entire aisle, then stand beside it, gassing'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You should be on one of those 'grumpy old men' tv shows.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason those shows exist and why they're popular'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because with age comes wisdom, what they say is largely spot on'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't, people wouldn't relate to it'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'they exist because they are funny and sad people'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a misconception'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'even if it's true, it's not the most important thing in the world'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'old age doesn't bring wisdom. observation does'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and shows a lack of understanding of the way media works'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the same reason observational comedy works'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'most of us get a little annoyed, but then we just ignore those things. Some people just don't have the ability to let little things go.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you misunderstand the anger'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the anger is not of the slight, but with the attitude of the people that allow those slights to occur'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, because everyone agrees with you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone agrees with me there'd be no argument, and therefore no tv program about it'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh, you are right. Those grumy old men are very wise. And so are you. You should run for president.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if our leaders were wise old men with experience instead of young, inexperienced 'faces' that have been put their by lobbyists and other powers, just possibly maybe the world wouldn't be in the entirely shit state that it's in right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a very good reason that throughout a huge number of cultures, isolated from each other, through history, the concept of an "elder", or "council of elders" endures'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That was because 'back in the day' stupid people didn't get old'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yeah, but not the concept of "grumpy elder"'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They died'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can't comment on that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It was an achievement to hit 50 years old without someone cutting your throat while you slept'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be why people were a little more polite to strangers in public'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Grumpy people were unlikely to survive the ol' throat cut'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They were? When?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, BTW, what's the average age of the US presidents throughout history? 50, 60? That's not exactly young.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both the US president right now and UK PM are inexperienced'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Public 'politeness' beyond simple class servitude only existed after Rennaissance'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'before that, good freakin luck :-P'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before that people didn't move around, so people knew others in their communities'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different type of society'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Exactly. So why reference it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So Bush was a better president than Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"less worse"'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but bought and paid for by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You seriously rate Bush over Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'continuing the program set by his predecessor'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, he is a pushover, but at least he knows the way to hold a book'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're asking me to choose what's best "labrador shit or alsation shit"'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both shit, man'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think you overestimate the political gumption of the presidential arm of the US government'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just that bush looked stupid, whereas obama's a slick, divisive fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit different day'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If there's no state of emergency he is little more than an ideological figurehead'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why there's been a state of emergency in the USA since 1944'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or had people forgotten?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, there hasn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, yes there is'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm saying that _ALL_ US presidents, (at least in the 20th century) were insane terrorists that did things that would make you wake up screaming. No matter what age.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a decleration of a state of emergency has been renewed every year in the US since WW2. They've needed to legally be able to maintain the army'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and continue many of the powers in place'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your most recent renewal was here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/05/16/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-threatening-peace-security-or-'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he now has to renew it every 2 years because of the National Emergencies Act passed in 1976 where congress tried to pull back presidential overreach and stop potential abuses of powers'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'during a national emergency (which you're under right now) they can revoke habeas corpus, and remove the right to grand jury for the national guard. All manner of other things that he's pulled under the NDAA (imprisonment and execution of American citizens without due process) also come into play under national emergencies'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By you, you mean the US?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By definition, that is then a police state.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And also not a democracy anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What's the emergency? People are too fat? The oil is expensive?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the emergency is fabricated in order to maintain the status'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't it be nice to have governments report the real inflation rate'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'According to Zerohedge, the 2012 olympic gold medals are 92.5% silver, 6.16%copper, 1.34% gold'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is correct'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe they should call it a silver medal..'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different to all modern currency coinage'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, the silver is still valuable, which is more that can be said for coinage'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'as long as governments force us to use their currencies, they have to have some value'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least, the sum of currency will have to have some value :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely, for as long as people USE the currency, it'll have value'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm pretty certain the value would drop to somewhere around firewood without gov't enforcing the use'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they don't enforce the use now, do they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though they're trying to outlaw cash'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that in the USA, people who buy things using cash are considered a a terrorist threat?'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know they've given up even trying to hide the fact that they're owned by the same people as the democrats when the Republican party comes out in favour of harsher gun controls, despite almost their entire vote base being against it'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe it's a reasonable request'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to sneak the semi-auto gun ban in through the Cyber-Security bill. You'd best go check it out'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess despite the polls, this will guarantee Obama gets back in'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, America, that consigns the rest of us to death'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'pfft Americans'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our best bet now is to support Putin'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talk about having to dance with the devil...'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol seriously'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'you should be a political analyst'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well currently Putin and the Chinese Communit leadership is all that is stopping America from invading Syria and Iran right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought it was the crippling debt and 2 ongoing wars'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political analyst is a bit like "military intelligence"'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"social science"'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'rap music'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, not much wrong with rap music'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to get brutal over here where we have no public gun ownership'
T3/r7/2012-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're even all using the same talking point. How stupid do they think everyone is? (and yes, they're right)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA boss, General Alexander wants government to centralise the internet and force users to use a system analogous to EZ Pass so that all of their Internet activity can be tracked'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Oregon man faces 30 days in jail and $1500 fine for collecting rainwater on his own property'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all sounds a tad marxist to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'is he breeding mosquitoes?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Eureka'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sustainable farmer on 170 acres'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'then what the hell? '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's the latest in a long line of clampdowns on small landowners across the states'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your central government really doesn't want people being self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why you put it all in your garage, if you have cistern outside, the county can whine.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'nods, put a barn out in the middle, collect it in there ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll probably find that the issue is: You shouldn't have to. Ponds are part of the landscape'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cistern is not a pond though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And you usually need a permit if you want to dig a new pond.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he had a permit which they then revoked a few years later'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's daft to need a permit, imho'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's land management'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the main reason for a permit is so that the govt knows how developed your land is, for prop tax reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have an authorized permit for something, it becomes grandfathered in, even if they change their mind.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with property taxes, as it goes, here as well as there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since property benefits from a lot of services like policing, the justice system, fire services, etc., all of which cost money, it shouldn't be surprising (or wrong) that it would be taxed...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, properties don't benefit from services, people do'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxation is just a way of forcing people onto the 'grid''
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people owning the property... and the people are the ones paying the tax...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'd be on the grid merely by virtue of property ownership'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm with the old LD policy of replacing property taxes with a locally administered income tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about the only thing i do agree with the LD about'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zero sum difference to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I prefer charging for use, whenever practicable'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charging for use would be preferable to property taxation'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property is no measure of consumption or income'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one significant difference between income tax and property tax is for commuters, though...your house gets the benefit of services in your living town...are you taxed by residence or employment location?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'property taxation is charging for use to a certain extent, use of certain services tied to the property'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'residence, abe'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it isn't, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what services?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the already-mentioned services...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a property worth more benefits more from protective services than a shack, for instance'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the aforementioned services scale with property size or value'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, like hell'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure it does. Try buying insurance for a 50k property versus a 2m one...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have 5 acres of land, it does not cost any more to police than 1 acre of land'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'putting out a fire at a mcmansion doesn't save more property than putting out a fire at a trailer?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes don't pay the insurance'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fire department don't pay for the damage'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they prevent the damage'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the service they provide gives value'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the value of the insurance is similar to the value you get from the services'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be attaching value to a service provided by a government, you should be attaching COST'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has both'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might be able to evaluate both, but both aren't relevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're only attaching one of those things, then yerdoinitwrong'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, both are quite relevant'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the emergency services debate they aren't'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in your opinion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you're suggesting the level of care you should get should depend on how rich you are'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas the point is that you don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also note that better services in poorer areas also benefits those in richer areas...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the level of care != the value of service provided'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fires, epidemics, crime, etc. has a habit of spreading when uncontrolled'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure sonshi, then the same effect can be reached through income tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, so wealth can remain in families for generations while the heirs sit back and do nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxes unfairly descriminate against the elderly, against people who've seen their areas develop around them, and against people who've put their money into property rather than spending it on other things'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has nothign to do with property taxes, soshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're thinking of death duty'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's partially a tax on wealth too...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a very bad one'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they're a very crude method of taxing wealth, they're a crude method of gauging consumption'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and with reverse mortgages and such, there's no reason it discriminates against the elderly. If you choose to buy more property than someone with your wealth does, well, you should pay for the services that come with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an elderly person living in the same home for 50 years does not consume more services than the same property with 5 people in it, in fact they consume far less'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, reverse mortgages, there's another can of worms'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not for fire, judicial, etc. services'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, reverse mortgages may need better regulation...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'depends, how sick is that elderly person? how many times is an ambulance called vs a normal young family?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'make sure they understand what they're getting into'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'considering all of the other problems, there are far better ways of taxing for the purpose of paying servicse'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ends up being zero sum...each method is harsher on a different fringe segment'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bottom line, gummint neads so much money to exist (leaving off for now the debates of how MUCH service should be provided, how expensive government should be), and they need to take that money from the people there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looking at the opposite absurd side of the argument, i don't pay a penny in property tax. Does that mean I use no services?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless you live with mommy, you pay property tax...it's just indirect for renters'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you live under the bridge, your services get paid by others'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the socialists/democras pay property tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you live under a bridge, it gets paid by others because it would be worse for them if they didn't, you're sort of unintentionally holding society hostage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of european governments are ultimately going to need a serious discussion about which services government should provide, since it can't be afforded atm'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if a service is worth providing, they should tax for it. If not, might as well scrap it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simplistic argument'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how it is provided is as important'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly here, public services is a cover for corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if it is inefficient but worth providing, then they need reform...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely speaking, UK taxpayers taxes go to pay for fat people to have kids'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's a problem with your country, not taxation in general'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(if true)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, we have plenty enough problems with taxation'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ultra rich don't pay tax'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the working classes get crippled'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, again, that's a problem with your country/govt'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't change'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and many other countries/governments...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of countries where they stick it to the rich instead of the working classes'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come people are always quick to criticize the poor, breeding or not, as a drain on the lack of employment opportunity and affordable living nation, but they typically look away from multibillion or trillion dollar tax-payer funded wastes of money?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'those countries don't HAVE rich'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it becomes the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly not anywhere near the majority, but...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'class thing, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand why but i always look at where the blame comes from before where it goes'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, those countries don't have so many rich people, because a larger share of their income is taken, sure...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with a few exceptions'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely they hide it in havens'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they don't have rich because rich won't stay where they're not the advantaged...that's usually how they got rich'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalisation has brought the end of fair taxation'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"Internet money" has brought lots of less-savvy rich tho'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a number of rich people have moved to my country... although the burden of taxation falls mainly on them, taxes are still lower for them than in many places'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, sporeland is a haven :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'great for living it up/partying too :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... main problem with all those rich people though, is that it's driving up property prices for the poor working locals'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt might need to put in more money into infrastructure...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so rich people complain about having to pay more taxes, but they get rich by outsourcing the rest of their country who they decide shouldn't receive social services for their rich services'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it just seems like the kind of psychology you'd expect from the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most (wealthy) countries don't try to tax capital income/gains as heavily as income from work, so you might argue that once you are reasonably wealthy, you are favoured'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course once you include inflation, the picture looks less awesome for rich people, unless they are willing to take stock market-level risk with their wealth'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the risk can be greatly reduced though, for those with a lot of wealth'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not a great deal that can be done about big corporate tax fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'certainly once you are rich, you will have (easier) access to investments outside of the traditional cash-bonds-stocks trinity'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there sure was something that could be done about those evil people in the 1930's though, at least some of them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the company finds it viable to do business in the country, you can do something about tax fraud...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if this were the 1930s, that would be useful :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they like the immortality of lawyerly diplomacy instead, understandable i guess, but the result is death either way for their victims'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the first thing they could have done was let those banks go bust, then ban casino banking'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end fractional reserve banking'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?  '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fractional reserve banking is an important monetary tool though... compare with the situation without it - firstly, the govt has to provide more currency to maintain the monetary base. And when there are fluctuations in the necessary base to keep inflation within desired bounds, what do you think would happen?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because of sticky prices (downwards), you'd get more inflation over time. Either that, or worse recessions, depending on which the country (govt) prefers'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's better than the current situation of banks deliberately bankrupting entire countries in order to take them over?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that only happens to corrupt countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like half the western world?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the thing about global banking corporations, right, they're global, you see......'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you pick your poison... even with all that, economic performance is still better in the long run'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have noticed the slow motion economic explosion that's going on in europe/usa right now'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for all the terrible crises we've had, they're no match for what came on the gold standard...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the current crisis is in large part due to the questionable "wisdom" of a currency union without a fiscal one'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fractional reserve banking will never be safe while you get round-robin leveraging'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's less risky than what came before...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't remember seeing anywhere in the history books where banks effectively pulled coups in countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and dictated policy in others'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a moot point anyway... if a country is badly run, it wouldn't switch from it. And if a country is well run, they have no problems with it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries are no longer run'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about on in england in 1500's but it could be fictional hate-propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and as for historical banks manipulating countries... there are the medicis and others of their ilk...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the population rises, so the scale increases'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america thinks china buying calgary offshore oil drilling operations is odd for the wrong reasons imo, canadian companies should be owned by americans and not chinese people'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's going to be an almighty fight coming up to stave off the return of communism in one of it's many constumes'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think they're about, i'm not really sure if either is really better'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't forget fascism, the right wing version of communism...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think things like oil should be nationalized, and uranium and gold because of the amount of toxic waste generated'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no private industry in that stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both sides are winning ground in parts of east europe'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing you've said tonight that i agree with, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collectivism, in all it's forms'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and so what if a government is corrupt, and probably most are, heh, if the people who suffer for their rotten master's will have no say in their master's actions then their foreign bank hosting country has no justification for the treatment of the people of the usurped rotten government that they hated'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fascism isn't collectivism though... it's sacrificing the people for the "nation"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's largely done through monopoly collectivism'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that movie 'even the rain' from bolivia was interesting, and a history of a south american people who prospered while others left by doing things themselves, money's the thing that does thing even though there's millions of unemployed people who do things themselves, and then the government brings out the riot police because they're getting things done - what happens when people actually take action is the government becomes their killer'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'collectivism is when (in theory) things are being done for the benefit of those contributing to it... not when the people are just directly exploited for the benefit of their "betters"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you see the feds raiding all kinds of farming collectives in america, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even take violent action, in that movie they were claiming the water that the government was selling to a foreign private corporation, but they dug the well and it was theirs'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but exploitation is the only way that ends up, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way fascism went, there was not even the pretense of banding together to do stuff for the direct benefit of those doing it...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when it ends up in exploitation is when we call "collectivism" communism'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in everday parlance, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what can be done about it all'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US has the best chance of overthrowing it since they're still armed (notice that the government and lobbyists are going all out for gun controls atm)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when it sort of works, and doesn't send people to siberia, it's called socialism'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, being armed at the outset does very little for those chances'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does a shitload'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'being well-industrialised does...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without public gun ownership, the threshold required for revolution is much higher'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'small arms are remarkably easy for a population to produce, once an uprising has begun... and there's usually no shortage of countries/organisations willing to pump in weapons indiscriminately'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing we have is numbers'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'having an armed population merely means that the factions that started with the most guns are likely to dominate society later on, as the revolution coalesces around them first'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'great, if you want to replace your government with what will probably be a tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be a tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'revolutions dominated by a faction often don't end too well... there are exceptions, but there's little incentive for a group to relinquish the power they gained through their blood'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a faction when it's about half the public'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully i'll have found somewhere to bug out to by then'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way or another, if you look at current/recent revolutions, how much of their arms were legally procured prior to the uprising?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only two armed uprisings of late the fighting has been mostly done by terrorist groupds'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how those "terrorist" groups seem capable of holding democratic elections'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where the liberal alliance crushed the muslim brotherhood buy more than 2 to 1'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rebels in Syria are a part home grown, partly Al-Quaeda, using their own arms, arms stolen from defections, and arms provided by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and USA, all funneled via the northern border with Turkey'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'libya'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the country that looks like it's going to split into 2?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems odd to me if america has a war on al qaeda 12 years ago and then all of a sudden they've found a new figurative demon to slay, when i read the news i wonder about things like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not much wars prior to 1900'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA were never at war with Al-Quaeda, they OWN Al-Quaeda'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in both cases, they needed a certain period, sure, in order to arm themselves from defections/foreign support/manufacture, but that's going to be true anyway. Rifles and handguns alone would never cut it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, i thought bin laden on may 1st was in that, my memory might be wrong though, i heard al qaeda mentioned alot in the news'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just waiting for for that bitch Clinton to itch her testicles sufficiently enough to dare interfering in Syria and watching Russia counterattack'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the "improvement" in threshold for revolution when a population is armed is really pretty small. And in fact, the additional policing that the govt justifies with it probably more than cancels it out.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at the us, the police seem to be everywhere...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the extra work they put in because of it makes it more difficult for them to sneak in'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just like to understand what they stand for, how they recruit their followers, how honest their promises are and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like, i'm greedy and protect my fortune and you might get a promotion or is there something deeper?  i like to beat on people indescriminately, and being the law is the best way to acheive that?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they must have some kind of simplistic fundamental theories about them right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you could eliminate all civilian arms, there would likely be a corresponding decrease in the number and weaponry of the police'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't the case, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our police have considerably more arms and armour than they did 20 years ago when they banned handguns'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, they didn't used to be armed or armored, they had a baton and handcuffs'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in my country, despite often being referred to as a police state, you hardly see police around, except at airports, accidents and such'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they have a baton, a high strength taser, pepper spray, and bodyarmour'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I think the last time a security officer shot a gun, it was a suicide.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last time police shot a man here, we had 2 weeks of riots that caused $2.5bn of damage, which resulted in over 3000 arrests'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without guns in the population, there're no need for police to be heavily armed. If it is true that they are in your country... why aren't people doing anything about it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people are fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been controlled by laws and by the media'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people could be trusted it's alright to have guns around for the scenario when they're actually needed to protect the innocent'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'societal engineering on a grand scale over 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard they had weapons cache's like that in norway until 1999'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here are largely dependant on government to live'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a bloody island... it shouldn't be too difficult to get rid of all the illegal weaponry over time.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or almost all, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the illegal weaponary isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never was'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns were never the problem'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'enough so the police don't feel like they have to walk around with lots of weapons'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think, if even 1 police officer passes screening and then goes on to be a serial killer or abuse of power kind of person, then they need some better screening programs before they can trust themselves to not be homicidal maniacs imo'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the armory of the police was not because of a perceived threat'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then why did they bother?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is to bring in an authoritarian regime'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'expensive, no benefit?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can usually sniff out a bad person, i don't see what their hinderances are'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they had to have given a reason...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they have to give a reason?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still under the misconception that governments here are the good guys, that they do everything the populace's best interests at heart'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'newsflash!'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'projected threat isn't necessarily perceived threat...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's no reason and the average voter let it happen... well... I have some choice words, but I should refrain from speaking further...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a good point.... why did the fbi take over the Aurora investigation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not their jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so they can hush up that it was really committed by the illuminati.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They can probably make a case that it's at least potentially terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except that their cover story is that it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I guess I don't know how the fbi got involved. But once they're in, they're tough to evict, heh.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm expecting some colossal scale voting fraud this november'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Why? '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely not a fan of this coming EZ-PASS compulsory internet ID tracking everything you do'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why am i expecting voting fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's already been going on, and both sides are desperate'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'prove it's going on please.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'in any number that's even remotely significant'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'In a country as large as the US, there's almost always some sort of irregularity, which isn't necessarily fraud. And the States don't have any history of 'colossal' voter fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/7tu25do'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/cuenrrs'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/77yoya2'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/d2wg32d'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/d8dw8lz'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some examples of stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subversion of process, selective enforcement, all kinds of dirty tricks, really'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'let's see. first one : total conspiracy theory, no evidence at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2nd one. yeah. vote rolls may not be accurate. no evidence of any of these dead people actually voting'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '3rd one.. republican presidential selection only.. who cares in terms of vote integrity'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '4th.. same as the first'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'erm, 3rd'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you really need anyone to point this out to you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'voter fraud in primaries barely matters. it's not a government problem'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part of the process'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it has no real legal significance'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the parties can set whatever rules they want for their primaries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And that web site is an authoritative source? Or is it a source that conforms to your suspicions?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'give me any *actual* incidents of multiple ineligable people voting in federal/state/local elections. then, it may be a problem worth solving'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'rhavage - most of the base facts there are accurate. the inferences are utter crap. first by the website, and then by tigernuts, who's taking it even further'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can i prove to you of fraud in an election that hasn't happened yet?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'evidence from past elections perhaps?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you go outside and say "don't run, we're your friends"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, just prove fraud from past elections.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'as it seems republicans want to implement it, it's a solution in search of a problem'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which happens to hit democratic-leaning vote blocks (young, minority, etc) much harder'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they missed an important step if you're gonna implement it fairly'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'step 1: get the rolls right'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'step 2: make it *incredibly easy* for anyone on the rolls to get the required id'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'step 3: make it hard for anyone not on the rolls to get the right id'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oh wait.. they missed all 3 of those steps.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if what you've described is your interpretation of free and fair elections, then you're claiming the zimbawean elections were free and fair, as were russia's'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'those are necessary conditions to use the sort of photo id people seem to want'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're not sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'powers can bend or break the rules to a huge degree to throw the results'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. they can. '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'provide evidence that they DID'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use google'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't just jump down the rabbit hole of "my party lost, the other side must have cheated"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? the party i voted for last election is in power'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. that's not how it works. my position's the default one. you're making the extraordinary claim'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the burden of proof for voter fraud is on the people claiming fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, you don't have any evidence'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007922.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/world/europe/observers-detail-flaws-in-russian-election.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. they probably do have fraud/etc. i'd figured you were talking about AMERICAN elections'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/widespread-allegations-of-electoral-fraud-in-tower-hamlets-7682075.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh right'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i forgot'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's voting fraud anywhere else, it's ok'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's voting fraud in America, it's a conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's called evidence. is there any for the states?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back to sleep, Kraken, there's nothing to see here'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm actually interested.. is there any evidence of mass voter fraud in the states?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing constitutes evidence in your eyes'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you've provided evidence from 1) republican primaries'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) other countries'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '3) total conjecture from alex jones.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/232099-florida-governor-to-sue-dhs-in-voter-registration-battle'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'better. correct country this time :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not even american, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-is-a-proven-election-manipulation-tactic'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"As the Supreme Court said, vote fraud has been present in our elections throughout our entire history"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno which court judge said that, he must have been a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd have him arrested if i were you'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well then, we're just going to have to be more vigilant, aren't we?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'florida one.. who knows what's really going on. they're either purging legit voters, or illegitemate ones.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'purging legit voters is bad.. very bad'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'purging illegitemate ones is good.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i don't know who's right. neither do you.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had voter fraud in the UK last election where people were barred from the polling stations because there weern't enough staff on'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, judging by the racial make-up of the list of people they want to remove, it doesn't look good for the purge list'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so voting fraud almost certainly will happen, and dirty tricks will be employed by both sides because times are hard, and it's going to be a close race'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, quoting hans van spakovsky? his track record of telling the truth isn't high'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama already has a crack legal team lined up to try and sue anyone who says anything bad about him'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, again.. evidence for that please?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57376463-503544/obama-campaign-launches-truth-team/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/obama-campaign-launches-truth-teams/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/team-obama/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://mittromneycentral.com/2012/05/11/obamas-enemies-list-continued-obama-truth-squad-intimidation-revealed/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'To have a legal team doesn't actually seem unreasonable, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of what states that Obama will sue anyone who says anything bad about him?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read it and you might find out'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'none of it mentions suing.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the first link doesn't even mention any lawyers.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'is says "we'll tell the truth". which, seems perfectly fine to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expecting politicians to tell the truth?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. but, i expect the other side to call them out if they lie'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't change the subject. Sources for that Obama has a crack legal team standing ready to sue anyone who says anything bad about him?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You made that claim. Now source it.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'about as much evidence as his earlier fact-free assertions'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to be fair.. this vote-fraud thing, he's getting evidence-free assertions from other websites to work with'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a way to solve vote fraud. the republicans aren't trying to solve vote fraud... except voting by the "wrong people"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fax2lFzkRTQ'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would a politician running for presidency in his nation go to a foreign nation surrounded by other foreign nations, both with immigrant voters in his point of origin, and then make controversial statements that one side or the other views as racism?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really hard trying to track down 4 yr old news story'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look at this stuff in the news and it looks odd to me, why not just not bother?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who/what, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/30/romney-israel-jerusalem.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's pretty easy'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'going there and doing whatever's fine, but why make any un-neccessarily controversial statements at all?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his owners have told him that he needs to peddle the position on supporting Israel against Iran'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because he wants to be president, and either figures it'll gain him votes, or he doesn't care who he offends?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as a public official'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is my favourite though'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp2VFN-w9d0&feature=relmfu'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think he cares who he offends, but maybe they see offense where there is none intended or else he thinks by offending certain people he'll gain the support of others'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems kind of bigoted to me if that's the case'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if he didn't realise those remarks were insensitive and likely to cause controversy, he's not ready to be president'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm guessing he calculated it'd be beter for him to do it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of the candidates are ready to be president by that calculation'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't particulalry care though, it's just one of lots of things i see on the news that i have a question about, and thanks you for your explainations'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'apart from the guy who's been president for 3 1/2 years already and hasn't done that sort of thing much, if at all'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, right'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ok.. i'll bite. which foreign speeches/meetings has he gone to and done something like that at?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from telling all business owners that they didn't build their business, or tell all patriots that the 2nd ammendment is about hunting and fishing... or having a truth squad to clamp down on anyone launching character attacks on him... then accusing Romney of being a felon'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy is a class 1 major hypocrit'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oh, look at that. 0 for 4 again'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '1) romney took a quote out of context.. almost everyone, except partisan republicans sees that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) actually, dunno. may have to look it up'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't out of context, it was what he said, he made a mistake in saying it, it's not what he meant to say'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '3) what's your problem with someone CORRECTING LIES OTHER PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THEM'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is saying "Nobody is allowed to lie about me, but i'm about to lie about them" ok?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, 4) i think the short form was "you said X on form 1, and not-X on form 2"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, it's a felony to lie on either form'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'lie about obama all you want. he'll try to show the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if you think obama's lied too, do the same. SHOW the truth'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like he'll show you a fake birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'meh. if you're going birther, i'm out'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were out from the start'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your head was up obama's arse any further it'd come out the same colour'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or would you like some sources?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i always like sources. delicious, truthy sources :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'true ones are better, but truthy ones will do for now. more fun things to shred'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not interested in true sources, you're only interested in sources that either match your view of reality, or that you -cannot- shoot down'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, you've provides so far, the following:'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '1) Sources saying different things to your claims'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) evidence-free sources'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '3) one or 2 interesting ones, i'm gonna look into'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it, give us some sources'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'prove what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that they say different things to my claims and are evidence free?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you provides sources about american voting fraud, by showing 1) voting fraud from russia/zimbabwe, places we know to be corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) problems with republican primaries, which show  *nothing* about federal/state election fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '3) conspiracy theories from alex jones --- X happened, therefore Y/Z which has no evidence'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republican primaries are part of the process'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. but the rules for them are set by the republican party, not by the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be the same problem if here in the UK there were problems with candidate selection'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's subversion of the system'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps, but it's not something a law is needed to correct.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said a law was needed'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'a political party can select whoever they want, by whatever rules they want'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that was said was that i predicted voter fraud this november'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing wrong with saying that businessmen didn't build the roads and bridges their businesses use. I don't see why there's an uproar over that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't write that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people are offended over that, perhaps they're feeling a bit too entitled'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the party's are believed to represent a common ideology resembling democracy though, then selecting however they want is like lying to the public isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just in general'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern democracy is an illusion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the governement sets the rules for who can get on the governement ballot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if people keep repeating the lies they feel like believing, it's no wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'however *any* group wants to meet those rules is up to them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the nazi party won their elections by the rules'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a strong democracy needs a conscious effort by enough people to figure out who is lying'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts.. what's your point?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's remarkable how much emphasis they're placing on ways to streamline and automate the voting process in canada and mongolia and other places now'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people should know how hard it is to track down fraud hidden behind 10 million lines of machine language instructions'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the massacre of 10 million jews, romani, and various other undesirables was done under government rules'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ontario's one, they're bringing automated voting all over, i think even facebook'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes, they won by the rules. then, they changed the rules.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to keep themselves in power'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the rules don't meet the desires of those in power, the rules get changed. See Iraq War, see Libya'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't people feel better if people from their own community were there to manually count the votes before the people who voted?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"reasonable" people didn't believe that the nazis were that crazy, and nutcases believed the nazis' conspiracy theories...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it just too expensive or not very secure for.. somebody?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lie, cheat, steal, do whatever, it'll be national security and redacted'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. i actually agree with you for once :) that's total crap, whichever side does it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the Chilcot enquiery still hasn't been published'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you play by the rules, if you don't like the rules, you democratically, and openly change them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why Obama has spent a record amount trying to prosecute whistleblowers'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without effort from the people, that's how a democracy can be dismantled...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again. that sorta thing's wrong. you won't find me disagreeing there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason why Russia and China are now repeatedly block-veto'ing all calls for any military action'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twice bitten thrice shy'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'iran's gonna happen, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'too many powerful people want it to.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange how the governments make them out to be the bad guys'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps if you include "misdirection, propoganda, obfuscation" within definitions of fraud'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find that most governments of the last 50 years have done fraudulent stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, why would the government do something like that, which, lessens their power.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't lessen their power'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it does if they're not allowed to do those things :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a very well oiled machine that conditions people to accept it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use laws, they use media, they use culture'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're even using the church, ffsd'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it appears that more republicans now believe that obama is muslim'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i feel sorry for those girls in russia who were sent to prison for 7 years for blasphemy'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get used to it, you'll be seeing a lot more stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought most of the world's an atheist now, christianity there i think comes from the roman byzantine empire and was politically installed, so that's probably why their political views mixed with religion sent them to prison'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone here got 3 years for tweeting "let's start a riot"'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like the concept of worshipping a human being as god myself'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when one side consistently lies and gets away with it, and honesty is punished, eventually the democrats will follow suit. It's almost the will of the people.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or humans punishing me for not worshipping their version of holiness, which is repulsive often'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually? they're all at it already Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ALL'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not all the way yet...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes way'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the democrats may be evil and corrupt compared to your average guy, but they're still saints compared to the alternative. It's not going to last forever though...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason gun sales have gone through the roof, recent polls show a majority of americans don't trust their government'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course they don't trust their government, when they're on the side that lies...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3 years for a tweet?  what do they think he's a general or something?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're stuck in a right-left paradigm. They're both at it, neither side is worse nor better than the other, they just have different markings'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there IS no alternative as yet'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not until something cracks open the two-party system'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some gnu open source should start up a non-logged non-political repression chat and messenging/email service'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'wrong. one side's definately worse'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"neither side is better" is how we get hitlers and stalins.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'immune to stuff like 500 million dollar investments from multi billionairres'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and both sides will throw -everything- at it to make sure that doesn't happen'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, yeah, i'll agree the choices right now are bad and worse'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the majority gives up, the country's future will be dictated by radicals'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'maybe ok-ish and much worse, on a good day.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will you be saying "ok-ish" in a year's time, i wonder'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're gearing up for something big'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even when both are corrupt, there's always a better side. If people consistently fail to reward the better side, what incentive do politicians have to get better?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might as well lie even more...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're still waiting for sources for your claim that Obama has a crack team of lawyers standing ready to sue anyone who says anything negative about him, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's when you say screw 'em, sonshi, and you start off a fresh at the local level'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, you and what party?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you manage to push through instant runoff, a third party is a distant dream'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you stand as independants,'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a local party reps'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of people do stand as independents'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll notice that they've been clamping down on local democracy though, sticking federal troops at state level'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but by the time the election comes, even mother theresa would be viewed as a violent muslim crack addict, without backing funds, because the average voter enjoys repeating lies'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lies like "obama said business owners didn't buil their business" *cough*'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'build'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecuters-form/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he did say that, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he said they didn't build the roads and bridges the businesses use'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a big difference there'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what he meant'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what he -said-'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think this know nothing party was real?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare he be quoted out of context. that's outrageous, nobody ever does that!'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you really want your politicians to speak in self-contained contextless one liners, like some idiot savant?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be saying corporate media doesn't edit interviews to spin a policy point'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, now that you come to mention it, sonshi, most of america's media has 'voluntarily' agreed to pass any stories and quotes to obama's team for vetting before airing them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the very least, the media needs to stop spreading lies...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look on bbc news you'll see links to countries and their media, and they don't mention any repression in what the news reports and things like that in america or canada or some other free places'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if that's really the case or not because when i look at the news often it seems to follow a gameplan and flipping between agency's they seem to be following the same one'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i try to get a view from a couple of different countries, too'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more you do, the more "propoganda" just shouts at you'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'best to have a variety of sources...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rather than propaganda, lies sell copies and pageviews'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before kraken pipes up:'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/us/politics/latest-word-on-the-campaign-trail-i-take-it-back.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only propaganda if it was made with the intent to sway views. For major news outlets, at least, it's with the intent of peddling their articles.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why people are switching off corporate media in droves'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if some of these news agency's were really independent, they would be looking for big stories that aren't in any of the other's, and doing the investigating and having their own opinions added and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but unless they localize content for ip addresses, aljazeera, bbc, ctv, cbc and lots of others always find the same top stories and the same thing to say about them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well 30 years ago there were dozens and dozens of news agencies, now there are like... 6? in the USA?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a lot of vertical integration in the media, and they're all meddling in politics'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ones which survived are the ones that sensationalise (lie) the best, without making it appear that they lied completely...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the dumber the target audience, the more you can get away with...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got fed up with the BBC over their pro-war, pro-authoritarian, pro-agenda21 take on absolutely everything'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they report very happily on american abuses...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fraction of what it deserves'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like show me a news agency that figures the typical political coverage and foreign tensions is covered enough by all the others, and they can look for something else to talk about'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look for it, i went and look on russian times once or twice even, just for a different perspective of what matters to them and how they present it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also http://www.channelnewsasia.com/'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be nice if they'd report something like... how we've actually been in recession for much of the last 15 years, only 'avoided' because they changed the way that inflation was calculated'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's clear rubbish, at least for the us...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless by much you mean a third...'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i read on cbc news yesterday that researchers in http://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/20649-sexting-may-be-just-a-normal-part-of-dating-for-internet-generation this place found that sexually explicit pornography is healthy for teenagers to share with eachother'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '18 24 was their sample group, it seemed pretty odd to me, wouldn't they have found that out themselves or it adds a degree of more normal to it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when you say stuff like the media gettin away with how stupid their audience is, stuff like that comes to mind'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what they study in university huh, interesting people'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then last night there was a commercial on where they're at some kind of gathering and a woman receives a rape whistle for a present, cause 1 in 2 women will be raped '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It shows that even in recreational amounts over a relatively short time period, ecstasy users risk specific memory impairments. Further, as the nature of the impairments may not be immediately obvious to the user, it is possible people wouldn't get the signs that they are being damaged by drug use until it is too late. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120725200258.htm but.. "But barring that, it appears it can be safely administered, certainly through research," said Halpern, who has studied MDMA for 15 years and advocates for medical, prescription-based use of the drug. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/06/14/bc-ecstasy-adults-safe-health.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'tl;dr'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'srsly'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Saved by ignore once again :-)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can tell you all work for a government of some kind by your reaction to that observation'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no opinion, really?  you sure are ordinary'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets share your opinion of my observation with me'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my opinion is that your wall of text was too ugly for me to waste my time on'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my opinion is that you have a protocol underneath your version of mush client that lets you into people's computers, and you piped up to feed your ego'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's cute'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if that were true, I'd use it to limit how long your channel posts are'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you call it when you can tell who somebody is by the feeling their soul gives your soul?  is that in religion?  psychology?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can read alot into people without ever seeing them, and then watch as my expectations are met'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did they ever used to sacrifice human beings to animal god's so that the animals see their master killing threats to them in front of them, and see their master as a enhancement to their own survival?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they tried stuff like that before, still do in some places i imagine'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least it has some sentient meaning to it, like the cat's eyes in constantine'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they still do human sacrifices :) 500K Iraquis and about 5K US soldiers is a good example :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they obfuscate whatever purpose you see if it's there though, so it's not an openly practiced procedure like the kind i'm thinking of'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they did the same back then too, and it evolves into religion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like modern culture in canada most people would assume indians (wore) feathers purely for mysticism ritual, but they signified the status of a person in a tribe by how many and what color and stuff, also were used like a baseball cap to keep the sun out of hunters eyes and to identify tribemembers'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it started as something sentient and turned into something oblivious'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly, from what i heard'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'humans, their climb through the evolutionary chain notwithstanding, are still basically animals :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't mean teachings of shamanism and stuff never existed and stuff though to be legitimate, i still believe that stuff to be possible'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that what separates humans from the rest of the animals, higher thinking, is used as little as possible. So, most things get ritualized (read that turned into a reflex) to spare one from having to think before one acts. So, let's take the case of getting trichinosis from eating pork, rather than retain the awareness that under cooked pork can be hazardous to one's health, we make pork eating a religious issue, i.e we ban the eating of pork and make that a ritual. That spares one from having to worry about trichinosis since "religious" people don't eat pork :) The fact that properly cooking the pork would have the same result matters very little :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think that's how pork got demonized with jesus demons in the gospel?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he said it's alright though, even had a bite himself in the story'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand that though, just choosing no becomes a issue from the creator so that people are less likely to try it out themselves'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the same reason superstitious people don;'t walk under ladders. Not paying attention to what's going on above one's head is the danger, not actually walking under the ladder. But don't tell them that. And, in a sense, they are right. If one religiously avoids walking under ladders, one will have a lot less accidents :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they explained that , if it was the case, people would question alot more things'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about salt over the shoulder or breaking dishes brings good luck?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you think about it though, ignorance is all that's required for anything to happen, so it is kind of supernatural, i heard on shatner's weird or what about a theory of quantum mechanics that ties two beings or circumstances together at a unperceived level, when they were considering a woman who saved a boys life, who later saved her life'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe with the expectation something bad can happen if you walk under a ladder, some kind of anomaly is feeding the superstition from time to time, if it's reverently believed'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'labeling something as supernatural assures that one doesn't have to understand it. That's the point :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the book daemonology with king james mentions the devil in similar ways'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'governments create religions, too. We know that a policeman will issue a traffic citation to one caught crossing a street against a red light even if there hasn't been a car going by in hours. The ticket is issued because the pedestrian violated a religious rule :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'jaywalking is not illegal here :-P'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, different areas have different religious beliefs :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is still valid, though. The government doesn't want you to understand why the rule exists. It was you to obey it, regardless.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wants*'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i mean by all that's required is if we didn't know how ice was formed and the temperature was warm and we seen some ice, we wouldn't defy there being ice in the heat, because we're ignorant and it's possible - at least to our thoughts, in reality we see that's not usually the case though, so almost anything can be possible in superstition and ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but just because ignorance can disprove the unlikely being most likely not possible, doesn't mean it is impossible still ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the idea is to have people follow one blindly. That's the point of religion. The Catholic religion is full of weird rituals. Thankfully, I was educated by Jesuits, which are not the paragons of religious dogma.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't try to define the delimiters of possibility, i leave almost everything up for grabs and weigh it all in degrees of certainty, and most likely source, instead of saying a rock is god i might think that god put the rock there, possibly'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You ask a Jesuit if God created everything in 7 days and they will give you a long winded explanation that turns out, when reduced to its most basic form, to be "NO" :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well 7 days, then there's a verse in one book in the bible where 'one day to god is as 1000 years to man' still, so alot of things are possible in 7000 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'carbon dating might not take into account every possibility that how they measure could have been structured'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even 7000 years would be a very questionable amount of time if we consider that back ground radiation is about 4 GYears old.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but still, even 7000 years seems like a short time to form the entire sky and all the bodies in it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'make that 14GYears.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since Man was created on the 6th day, that would make the human race around that age, 14Gyears. A demonstrable absurdity.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just because the bible might only be a story in some places doesn't mean that there is no such thing as spirituality though, to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'in some places'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'spirituality has nothing to do with religion. You can be rationally spiritual.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to the unquestionable, Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. http://bible.cc/romans/13-1.htm'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of the reasons why Existentialism fell out of favor so quickly was because it demanded that people thought about the what it meant to exist (!). Too much hassle for most people. It's a lot easier not to cross the street and avoid getting a ticket :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://bible.cc/matthew/4-8.htm'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, they might have alot of confidence in people's fear of questioning their political religion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because.. those two verses can conceptually contradict one another'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it seems that what most religions have in common is that if you break the rules you are going to be in a hurt locker :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, killed usually, to keep anybody else who questions quiet'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the stories at least and some places in the modern world'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, political dissent is usually punished by death, imprisonment or both :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't mess with religion!'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the devil is the embodiment of the enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not Bush's Axis of Evil :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'note*'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Regan's Evil Empire, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the guy that just wanted Camelot? They killed him. There is no evil in Camelot.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, devil is embodiment of the foe of the government's religion that makes it in unquestionable authority by genghis khan's scourge of god kind of psychology'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's something i considered, and if their god is a lie that mocks everybody's life, and indignation at this immortal treatment of their temporal time-frame is the devil, then what'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the devil righteousness as defined by the natural law, or ..?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead he's seen as a degradational cancer on the earth in most cults and people who claim to act in his name'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'without a devil, a religion can't survive. Nor can a government, or any other institution predicated on militarism explicit or implied.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe just a decent ideology, i never was under the belief absolute that the devil was the enemy, even the church of satan claimed to hail satan, hail thyself on their webpage, so they might have thought of it like that'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Buddhism seems to survive pretty well without a devil.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that did cross my mind, but Buddhism didn't start as a religion, but a as  modality of thought. It's basically a rational religion, which is actually an oxymoron :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'One of the few if only 'religions' that says if science proves it wrong, it has to change.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'its more of a rational spirituality than a religion thought it too has its dogma'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Buddhism turns your focus inward, you are the temple.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure I agree with you about the oxymoron, Ana. You'd mentioned rational spirituality earlier, but what's rational about that? What spirits? '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to me, rational  spirituality is just another way of saying "pure thinking". The analysis of what is.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. Then why attach the world spiritual to it? And I'm not either pro or con religion, fwiw.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see it as an oxymoron not because of anything intrinsic but because of what religions have become. Buddhism has not degenerated as much as other though I am sure that by now it has its allotment of rituals.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'spiritual, to me, means "of the mind". It's abstract thinking. Thinking about thought is a spiritual endevor.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I perceive thought as coherent electrical impulses. You can't get anything more "spiritual" than electricity :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think that in a world that condemns us to death from the very moment of birth, it's neither irrational nor unreasonable for people to somehow try to find a way out of that unpleasant certainty. Religion offers hope. I can sympathize.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a cop out, in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The need for reassurance that one's life has meaning is not necessary. One lives then one dies. The end.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'A cop out of what? People should just grin and bear it? Most of us really deplore the notion of dying. I know damned well that I do.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of ignorant things they do instead of just acknowledging their ignorance of the future and it's possible continuance after their departure is the main problems with religion, either you think there's a god there and a continuation of yourself to be possible (or not) or you don't, adding whatever else you don't know about to the mix and then forcing it to be real is what i don't agree with much'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god says this and that, but in the bible says 'no man can hear the voice of god and survive', ok then - what did he say again?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, now you have an angel that heard it for you instead'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a cop out because humans don't want to accept that their life is no more meaningful than a dog's, for instance. They feel that because they are higher in the food chain, their existence is a  symptomatic of  higher strata of being.   '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maye it's ok to read the voice of God ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Jeez, Ana, how do you know that humans aren't more meaningful than dogs? Are you certain?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't see any problem with non-obstructive or pervasive rituals towards respecting the possibility'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i think before people go on killing sprees claiming god told his angel to tell a dead man to write this down, people should require that god verifies that fact to them personally'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Copenhagen Interpretation is very much like the idea of God. It explains what we can't understand. We face an immense machine we call the Universe and we think that we exist to rule it and therefore, while don't understand why it all came about, there must be someone out there that has tagged us as his deputy rulers. '
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause that's just a evil kind of line to cross'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a much easier explanation is that we were a happy accident (happy for us) of physics.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, good chatting. Gotta hit the rack. Early day tomorrow. Later, you guys.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know, if people have to kill as a last resort they know that, it's instinctual survival, going against your instincts for god doesn't seem right'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos waves goodbye to Rhavage.
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there's the word 'faith', and 'proving yourself' becomes a religion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing special about faith, though it may motivate us to by lottery tickets :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reading through the gospel, it's possible to extract a non-violent and good advice religious practice, that doesn't require idolotry and ignorant ritual'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i thought that's alright, i'm not antichrist'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would there be an antichrist? (Though the antichrist would have to be, per force, made out antimatter :))'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I rather prefer the Chinese view, Ying and Yang. Neither pole is good or evil, just opposed to the other pole, but working in harmony.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Egyptian mythology tends that way also, though it came to them from the Assyrians. They must have really have had it together :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Western Religion, derived from the Middle East, wants to polarize existence. If you are not an obedient servant of the God, you are evil. So, in other words, don't oppose the ruling party.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how many muslims today became muslims just because their government is cracking down on them, as a rebellion kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the west and europe'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want change or something i guess, maybe not understanding the entire situation, because religion is mysterious'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i also wonder whether or not that was intelligently designed'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine alot of the people in places where muslim is the de facto standard religion of authoritarianism would like to have it another way, but just the happening of muslims being persecuted might attract people who themselves felt wronged by their government who forget about what it's all about, or don't learn, just for the hell of it - and authoritarianism isn't something their government is against, i think'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's why i wonder if it was intelligently designed or not, totalitarianism requires complete control of human nature, including their rebellion'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if their closest ally of conceptual freedom rebellion is itself a dictator where it is dominant, then they're double fucked conceptually'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as i see it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'humans became religious because the other usual alternative is dispair.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'despair*'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most religious people seem despairingly religious, some against their own will - waiting for the after-death kingdom of god to appear, and wondering if they were good enough to reach it'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some seem more sentient though, their god is this world's caretaker, and they're spreading his will underneath of their administration'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the only punishment they fear is in this world, they have no spirits haunting them if they are evil, but they teach others that they do'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the spirits are in their minds :) The point.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that god is repsonsible for the evil in this world, while satan is your enemy, now you have the reversed battle in heaven where satan won, sort of, don't you?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did the angels ever find out if there was god, by faith he was there, or was satan right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I believe that the fight between Michael and Lucifer is evidence that there were extra-terrestrials here at some point :>'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think about totalitarianism anaristos?  sounds kind of ordered chaos doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you see any incarnations of it in the world?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and is it against the law, which is above the law?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'totalitarianism might even be in stuff like computer software, if this operating system was built correctly, there might not be a antivirus industry, and without somebody writing viruses they might not acheive that industry'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they wouldn't get in trouble, maybe somebody who uses the viruses they provide would'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just something i observed, i don't know if it's real or not, but i imagine they're billionairres by chance'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'women can't be billionaires'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 1986 or 87 they invented a computer that had dynamic opcode's and byte sizes, all fully programmable, for instance - that would get rid of alot of the corridors that hacks rely on'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just around the time the mass-consumer pc became sensationalized'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they discontinued it, but .. considering the profit margin of mass-production of secure computer systems versus the monopoly of 100 trillion dollars, they chost the monopoly, right?'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''remember folks, god put them there''
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'of course.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'operating systems are hackable because the companies that publish them are concerned more with paying as little as possible to produce said systems than in protecting the user. There is very little reason that virus attacks could be successful if the hardware that comes with modern computers were put to use.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's ironic that the largest anti-vairus software company is owned by Intel :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'God is great.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what he claims ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I liked typing debate before I wrote that.'
T3/r7/2012-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we aim to (dis)please :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The novel non-deformed energy storage phase change material (PCM) has the unique advantage of possessing a larger energy storage capacity with faster thermal response than existing materials and could be cheaply manufactured. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110802113610.htm The building material was recently awarded a patent application approval in China and patent applications are in the pipeline in other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what you think, it'll happen?  it looks good from the article'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can be put in paint or whatever, linoleum and wallpaper'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably be useful in places like india where it's hot, they mention energy problems there - or anywhere where temperature has to be kept relatively constant'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it looks promising, I wonder how much resistance there will be to it widespread usage.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suppose it could also be used to defeat IR sensors :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice one!  i never thought of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there still has to be a way to bleed the excess energy otherwise the container will be just like an oven when the material saturates :)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only is obama the first african american president of the usa, he's also the descendent of the first ever american slave -> http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-related-to-legendary-virginia-slave-genealogist-says-20120730,0,3463156.story ~Chief Running Eagle'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real or political?  quite the campaign strategy if political'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in one place they make controversial statements regarded as racism, in another they embody racism as a conquering genaeology'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's only political, maybe they should question the legitimacy of the scientists who provided the double checked material to the media's credibility, and investigate their other ventures more scrutinously, possibly charging them for racketeering'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming the evidence isn't how they say it is, but imagine how few scientists could ever attain it'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they won't though, they'll probably get over 10 million votes just because of people's identification with the nonexistant conditions of the past'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and the alternative looks like a scoundrel to some people, which is most likely intelligently designed'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they should make a campaign rule that no racial influence at all can be used in a multicultural political campaign'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they have to use more of their brain skins than their brain skin to beguile people'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they get automatically veto'd'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so how do you hide the fact that you're black/white/hispanic/asian, to take it out of the equation?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hmh. why there is sports.. still. evolution has turned humans away from physical stuff, human is weak and slow by nature. why we pursue those limits.. 9.40 100m. pointless'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'oh shit. you started talking first'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and anybody who's promoting the racial qualities of a campaign member could be investigated financially to see if any link can be made between them and their subject matter's glorification'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh. Ok. So we should just abandon sports?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter what color person you are in a multicultural nation, how you gain the support of the voters does though'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'not all. just the weight lifting and running around the circle'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I think I disagree. A dog or a cat couldn't beat a human being in a 400 meter race, I'd bet. They'd run out of gas too quickly. And forget something like a mile.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'but no chic is going to bed with Bolt because he runs fast..'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, humans are remarkably versatile. We can run, swim, jump (which many other animals can do, of course). But we can also throw, catch, kick, do astonishing gymnastics. A baseball player has to be able to run, throw, catch, hit a ball with a bat, and show lightning reflexes. What other animal is so versatile?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'a basketball player is good when he... or she.:) can predict what happens in a few seconds'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Fleas can jump like 100 times their body length.  An ant can carry like 100 times their weight.  Humans can't come close ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm thinkin of the racism inherent, or reverse-psychological racism inherent in romney making racist remarks in the perspective of the palestinians who see jerusalem as a occupied territory to gain support of those wealthy lobbiests, in the news, and then obama is now non-'birther' the 11th generation great grandson of the first african american slave in las angeles psychological vote for me's'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No chick is going to bed with Bolt because he runs fast? Holy shit. The man is a national hero.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it 13th?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'yes, but fleas can't throw a slider.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. but not because he runs fast. the chics go to bet with him because he is fastest. thats a huge difference'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'two racism's in one presidential election'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder if anybody keeps track unbiasedly of the count'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why mention it?  do you inherit greatness from your genetics, proof of your good leadship ability?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not saying his election people had anything to do with it, maybe it was a independent strange study'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, sports figures don't need to be number 1 in the world in order to get chix'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at how that blood sample from the us president in britain was leered over and banned from auction'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage agrees with Abe.
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They just need to make 7-8 figures a year.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You can be a utility infielder for Seattle and be miles ahead of the average guy.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, even minor league and college kids making crap get plenty of tail'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: '"get tail"? when was the official release for this?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Having your 8-figure salary public I'm sure doesn't hurt, though.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If you walk into a bar and can say you're a major league baseball player (or nfl, nba, nhl, mls, you name it), you've got one hell of a leg up.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, maybe not MLS'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: '"leg up" what is that. '
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even MLS...just say "I work with david beckham"'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'yeah, even MLS, I'd bet. In an MLS city, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can't even name the closest mls team to me, tbh :P'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who feast on others because of how great they perceive others as perceiving themselves seem low to me'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, only US one I can name is the galaxy, and that's just because of him...used to know some indoor soccer teams when buffalo blizzard was around'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cult of personality isn't really isolated to north korea or russia or africa or haiti, it's everywhere, i'd wager there's not a single influencial person on earth who doesn't use a cult following to acheive his goals'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one cult of personality points out the other's seemingly obvious methods to give themselves a superior perspective in their own cults eyes'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of like magic, except it's all mental'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american security government is now letting google, facebook and amazon write your telecommunications policy's according to the news'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think they'll ever write one that doesn't benefit themselves and their main stockholders?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's great cause people like royalty in saudi arabia donate random 500 million dollars to twitters, which expels people from the olympics, silences criticism of 1.3 billion dollar broadcast rights, death-sentences people in kuwait, monitors political opponents in russia and throws people who comment their thoughts on the king of thailand into prison '
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so google and facebook and amazon are incorruptibility gospel very good and viable security choices for democratic freedom of americans'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also gets people off of murder charges a couple times'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(twitter) or at least causes a mistrail cause of a straying juror, like rockin robin from jackson 5'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whoever's running the cia must either be not very intelligent, have a master plan that's obviously appearing very totalitarianly 'upper echelon' fbi style corrupt but is actually good in disguise, or else working for a foreign government, possibly linked to the cold war or world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how it looks to me, far too many unanswered questions and isolated incidents'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and trends, weighed against what's known'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody already knows that after google and amazon and facebook become the new government, there'll be computer glitches of mass destruction, dictatorship not unlike saudi arabia and various other things '
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they sit back and accept that there's nowhere to hide, so it's best to hope their name isn't pulled out of the hat for the next holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they already know they will be that, they always get their way'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like god, unchanging forever, evil is the eventual outcome of any political organization'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yer a ray of sunshine ;)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google and facebook are both NSA fronts, silly boy'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they might use the excuse of al-CIAda in Syria to put boots on the ground there'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funny, since western powers sent them there'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'moscow's offering asylum to it's leader, so it doesn't sound like they're going to do a ww3 yet'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from the news'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.rand.org/blog/2012/07/al-qaedas-war-for-syria.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/04/18/syria-united-states-backing-wikileaks.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1671459_insight-military-intervention-in-syria-post-withdrawal.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not so sure that the new people will be any better than the old people in charge there'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't see what they're fighting about if that's the case, except who gets to have all the corrupt fun'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they are corrupt like they say'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8917265/Libyas-new-rulers-offer-weapons-to-Syrian-rebels.html'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully if they do get replaced like in libya, they go ahead and make things less oppressive, since that's what they claimed to be fighting over'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a murky web of CIA being involved in venture capital in silicon valley, they helped set up google and facebook, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and are certainly in bed with them'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so it's basically communism disguised as capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power hungry evil maniacs, nogs'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when some corporation always gets their way, something odd's going on'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the scraping exercise google did with their camera cars?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't look into it much, but i remember hearing of them illegally obtaining data from compromised personal wifi networks'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and about facebook allowing bots to socially engineer their way into people's friend list and collect data, not informing the deceived that they were deceived afterwards'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well facebook you get banned/barred for the slighest political infraction, but paedophile rings thrive on there for ages despite being reported'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course, they wouldn'te ven have to go to that length to watch whatever they want on there, but it was a 3rd party government/education that did it'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a high-up figure in the NSA once said something like "We don't need to spy on people anymore. Since Google and Facebook, people provide us all the information willingly"'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is entirely true, people blurt their whole lives onto facebook'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like the days of the search warrant, having pre-approved warrants of being so special isn't very useful, like their detainment without any trial or scrutiny by a jury of 'terror suspects''
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a person is a terror suspect, a group of random non-terrorist civilians could listen to the sane-evidence and judge for themselves the legitimacy of detention, couldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, you're a terror suspect now if you pay for things in cash'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why make a measure about that process being skipped?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if you're a constitutionalist'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if you're a veteren'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a terrorist because i speak out against the government'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a terrorist because you study conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does it make you feel to know that you're a terrorist, or didn't you know?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's true, i don't have anything to hide about mine, i'll confess it before whoever and they can confess theirs when comparing relative evils'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly, governments don't have anything to confess'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't use facebook though, only places ic ommunicate online are like this and chat rooms'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they never did anything wrong, slightly shady, manipulative, evil, or illegal'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're a maniac if you say otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and you'd need to provide sources)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(sources I like, else i'll call them unsourced or conspiracy theories)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just think, if you were spanish or greek, there'd be a 1 in 4 chance that you'd have the rest of the week off work'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet those folks who're off work there are thankful that their governments colluded with the banks to totally fuck their country up'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the definition of terror exceeds 9/11, but if they want to accuse me of being a radical islamic psychopath then i'd like to see their evidence'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not every day that corporations will go out of their way to screw people over in such a fashion'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'considering scary things, like the directors of the movie 'the killing room' on superchannel'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fictional or has a grain of reality in it?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i haven't hurt a single person in over 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well here's an interesting one for you, this should tell you just who the radical islamist is'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's terrorist then what isn't?  i don't run a cult either'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it is every day that they'll go that far out of their way, it's just not every day that they're sooooo successful at it'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0wwv9l6W8yc'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch that, very short'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tell me what that implies'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently a whole bunch of people in Gdansk in Poland welcomed Mitt Romney's visit with banners saying "Polish Choice - Ron Paul Konres Nowej Prawicy" '
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how late the GOP will realise they're backing the wrong man'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(of course, they don't actually care, they've got THEIR man)'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'threats against someone or criticism of a certain proven fraction of the religion they belong to?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'freedom of thought limited, i think it's strange that he's afraid to outright lie and say yes, maybe that's planned'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already have those laws in the UK, you can't speak bad of religion'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the state'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or anything, really'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not publicly, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'united nations did that mandate thanks to islamic lobbiests, why do free people think limiting their freedom is ok?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i remember'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN don't give a flying shit'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN is just world police'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's the allegory of gettin circumcised to sojourn in israel to their god pact, and austria's asking muslims to obey it's laws before their own religion's laws'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're communist and interested in police states, just the same'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that got scoffed by a whole bunch of people, and why?  they don't scoff at the bible'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the presentation maybe was all that made it undesireable, maybe they could apply it to all religions'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where there is a conflict between religious law and sovereign law, sovereign law must win out'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should apply to all religions, really'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it affects Islam more because of the factions of it that interpret sharia law that way'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world police state is maybe sort of like china and russia which are 2 of it's permanent members, france is pretty stingy too'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and britain's the other, and like you say '
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was founded by Nazi's, so what do you expect?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of it's security council'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nazi's and communists'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'World Police State is NWO baby'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find that the west didn't win the war'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my favourite thing about the UN is the UN decleration on human rights'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which comes quite highly ranked on the "declerations that aren't worth the paper they're written on" high score table'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reading on aljazeera that east german stasi, which was communist occupied post-ww2 cold war germany police, took over it's government after the cold war is a indication of that'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Article 29 section 3: These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the UN'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see no good guys in the world, only relative evil's and have something to hide, but it seems that america would have been usurped before ww2 if they went on to defend their enemy for the next 60 years'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the purpose of the UN is to centralise all, in deed, or control of all world resources and power'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bush family funded the Third Reich'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it started earlier than ww2, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prescott wasn't it, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We absorbed all the Nazis in Operation Paperclip - gave them all succor'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Renamed Mengele, who did the MK-ULTRA programming on concentration camp victims'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They perfected it, and now they use it to pump out mind-controlled celebrities and Manchurian Candidates to drive terror into the people'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you should stop ranting like a conspiracy theorist, Dosset, and go watch some TV'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joint Coney 2012 or something'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe watch some intellectually stimulating soap operas that will teach you family values and how worthless you are as a human being'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'lol Coney 2012, just watched some youtube vids'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've got to get a light replaced in my car tomorrow, but i'll pay cash, so no doubt that'll cause a flag on mi5's books'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ain't no theory - all conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'although, it's ironic that the public is turning off from the Kardashians'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the osbournes was worth seeing for an insight into their lives, but most of the rest of that sort of genre is rubbish'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't really follow it, but heard that the son is terminal, and the daughter did a turn-around'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"television personality and socialite", meaning "media programmed eye-candy with no discernible talent"'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea, but their main target, females, don't really care'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you ever wonder how they get all of those people together to do their humuliating media content? is that normal?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '$$$'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i do, i think of north korean art school as one allegory'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anyone from England?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes sir, why?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dat Olympics'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'how is it'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it what?'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'in general'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, it's down in the capital'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'other than the fact that noone here can re-watch the occult opening ceremony'
T3/r7/2012-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was crap, nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even the BSBC had to admin on the news today that the rebels were involved in summary executions today'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arkansas police claim a black 21 yearold shot himself in the head while detained in a police car... after being patted down... then handcuffed (hands behind his back). Somehow, he supposedly fished out a hidden gun they'd missed and shot himself IN THE RIGHT TEMPLE... despite being left handed. Yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The two officers at the scene were placed on administrative leave. No word of an pending investigation. United States of America - the Land of the free... as long as you're not white.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant "You're not non-white".'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the systematic discrimination seems largely to be against whites, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Care to provide examples?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on where you are. there's discrimination all over the place and there's groups of people sticking together when they really shouldn't all over the place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'affirmative action'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'police covering up for bad cops, doctors covering up for bad doctors, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Affirmative action is not an anti-white practice. It's "anti" anyone who usually has an easier time getting X. If it's a field dominated with men, women benefit from affirmative action. If it's a field dominated by women, men get the benefit, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how many years of affirmative action will make up for hundreds of years of slavery?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Nevertheless, since "white" is the majority,  it is systematic discrimination against whites in employment, education and such'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '17'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have a lot less of a problem with affirmative action when it's socioeconomic class based rather than gender or race based.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not really about "making up for slavery". It's about giving people who don't really have the best chances in life a better chance of making something of themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only a small number of spots are reserved for affirmative action, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I can also see affirmative action used as a tie-breaker, but I really, really don't like policies such as 'you need a 400 average on the SAT if you're black, a 550 if you're white, and a 650 if you're asian''
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'average of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sections.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The world needs a pwipe'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure that's not how it works, Majic. Most of the time, affirmative action IS used as a tie-breaker.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'aka plague'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It depends on the place, Yuna, and that's one reason people get their hackles up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nah, plague'll just hit the poor'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Needs a good old fashioned military takeover, killing all of the ruling parties, before eliminating all banked funds and owned resources, before the junta self destructs leaving the educated people in control of the military tech'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From what I've seen, in university admissions, the difference is in the range of 1-2 standard deviations, which is a bit more than a tie-breaker'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny how people always assume they'll be the ones left on top after the takeover :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm doing the takeover, so that's ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Tinada's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you sure it wasn't superego?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting bad out there, some teenager got arrested for sending a "malicious" tweet'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney in response to Harry Reid claiming he's heard people whisper about Romney not paying taxes for 10 years: "It's time to put up or shut up. [Reveal your sources!]". Instead of... you know... just releasing his damn tax returns? Great logic there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like Kraken and Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10 week wait just to be seen by a consultant. Socialist healthcare in action'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, with the amount of people and the slowness of health care, maybe they could have lowered the cost of medical training in various jobs and just required their understanding to do it, maybe there's more than money separating professionals from reality though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i could get a refund, i'd go private'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't realise how shit it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a huge beurocratic money pit'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with having health care accessible to all though, there's still the preferential treatment problems, but some doctors would make a billionairre with a broken toe wait while he attends to a bigger problem in a poor person'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to wait, why not pay for it? If you can't pay for it, do you think you could have gotten that healthcare otherwise?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't afford to pay for the healtcare twice over, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the size of the organisation and the way that it is conducted. A vast amount of time and money is spent on 'management''
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you end up with crazy situations like being made to wait 8 weeks before you can even get a date for an appointment, because they've been given a target "waiting time" to meet, and it doesn't start til you're given an appointment'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know how it works where you are, but for stuff like dental services back home, you can pay extra for an earlier appointment...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also get stupid stuff like "you have to visit dr x for check y". not because you need it, but because the surgery gets paid for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'e-h 5'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't here'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, having people to manage the chaos that it's built on is neccessary though, then there's making sure people do their jobs correct and all that, people see the value in that - often though there is people getting excessive payment for minimal effort in just about any job on earth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's still better than in the us for most people... you should see how much it costs here...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home the cost of trement is usually only a fraction what it is here'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's only going to get worse in the US thanks to Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the canadian wheat board being dismantled against 60+ % of the plebiscite (and against the government legislation for the wheat board) they say gets rid of the monopoly, but actually if a grain elevator got more money for grain from a farmer than initially paid, the farmer would receive a cheque in the mail for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it does say something that the worst "socialised" systems (cough UK cough) still outperform the US...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the wheat board maintained food security for canadians to some degree'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your metric, Sonshi, USA has some of the best healthcare in the world..... if you have the money to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'might have been some crooks but i don't imagine they'll be suffering by the decision'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has the best healthcare in the world... for a few disciplines... and for a few percent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not helped by successive governments dead set on poisoning their populace'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by that metric, saudi arabia is great, 'cos the princes get to summon the top experts in most fields to treat their problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arab royalty travels to the west for healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poisoners and the privatisers are on the same side though... and sometimes the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'iirc US healthcare was rated not to be among the best in the world, although I cannot remember where I read that... it was the most expensive tho'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privatisers should not be confused with monopolisers'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the life expectancy and other stats say it all, I think'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now there'll be private businesses who will strain farmers out of money without democratic scrutiny (of the farmers that compose the wheat board) and not sending them those cheques as they re-route their sales to add to their own real-criminal bank accounts and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'll happen, and through them small farmers will disappear faster'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cant be having farmers outside of government/UN control now, Chemosh, can we?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly fits the UN/Communist Agenda 21 manifesto'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next thing you know, people will start being... self reliant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they won't be either way, it's like swatting at petro-canada for being a communist government monopoly while allowing russia and china's actual communist companies to buy all of your oilfields'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard people who farmed their whole lives saying that the canadian wheat board was useful and not the crook they made it out to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'worrying about the communist threat today is like worrying about the jewish threat in 1938. It doesn't exist, and you're ignoring the elephant in the room.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they say over 60% of independent farmers voted in favour of keeping the wheat board, but were ignored by harper government, which also ignored a constitutional law or legislation that that supercedes any government decision on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not communism it's something strange'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if capitalism results in everything being in control of the dictator with the money, and communism already has the money in the bank, then i don't see much of an inevitable difference'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little difference between communism and monopolism'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't even begin to save yourself if you don't even know who your opponents are...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty obvious who the enemy is'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the money'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so says someone yammering on about the communists and socialists...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never read history?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bad ass un and stuff oroganizations preventing you selling grain to whoever - so like a un sanction on iran or syria or north korea, you're a new farmer free of the evil wheat board monopoly, which limited your freedom to sell to whoever - but if you try to ship some grain to those places, did anything really change?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might pay top dollar for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism/communism/collectivism always end up with the money/power in the hands of the few. it's really no different to what we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't all bad though, they organized the chaos democratically and buyers were evaluated democratically - and if the elevator that bought your grain made any extra from it, then they would send it in the mail to you'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my great grandfather's generation would be spinning in their graves if they were to see the way the world was headed'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'millions of his generations died delivering us from tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except you're fighting the wrong guys...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find you're not correct'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least they were fighting the right guys...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and they let a few of them go... and that's who's caused what we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'newflash: socialists and crony capitalists tend to be different people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a unreasonably "pure" and idealistic idea of what constitutes socialism and so on. Reality is a little more complicated'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'socialists want to distribute the wealth generally... sometimes too much. Plutocrats want the wealth to be concentrated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the "socialist" side of UK politics, outwardly socialist, but in reality, increase government spending hugely.... on giving huge contracts to a few private businesses, essentially a form of corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obamacare, socialist healthcare? No, just creating immense profits for a select few health insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece's socialists did well. Their entire country is now a slave to global banks'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is Spain's'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Portugals'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not too familiar with UK politics, but if they were really socialists, they'd be raising taxes on the rich and cutting them for the poor...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're being idealistic again'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is it's all the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax issues aside, i'm more worried about the chewing up of freedom of speech and privacy atm'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those who don't aren't real socialists, in the same sense that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic, not about the people, and not really a republic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'female shop owner, 65, fends off FIVE armed robbers by pulling a gun on them'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home: armed robbers only armed with knives, when they happen at all.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well the public are conditioned in the UK to be victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's viterra hiring people in india to keep the books on grain sales, outsourcing a form of employment cause it's cheaper over there, trusted to manage the people who advise farmers where to sell grain to in the future, to not outsource the proceeds like they outsourced the jobs'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just doesn't look good - like people who don't think at all are managing the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we have one of the lowest ratios of civilians who own guns to civilians who can use guns anywhere...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite funny, really...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets not go there'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been done to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who are "we", Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most adult males know how to use at least a rifle...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd think the countries where it is illegal for private citizens to own firearms except maybe for hunting beat you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but almost no one has a gun outside of official duties'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, say, the entirety of the Nordics and Japan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Mexico, Guatamala'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago, New York'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have fewer civilian guns than those countries, and more people who know how to use them, than in those countries, as a proportion of our population'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Really? As opposed to ZERO PERCENT?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime's biggest cause is poverty'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all other arguments regarding guns are largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at best, secondary'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zero procent of the civilian population of Sweden owns handguns (except criminals who have bought them illegally). A VERY small percentage of Swedes own rifles and other firearms used for hunting, but those require special permits and training.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Singapore has even LESS than that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'including criminals, we probably have you beat!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, we have natural advantages...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to get brits to shout at their MPs to bring down a Communications Bill getting ready to go through parliament'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, Brits are a useless bunch of zombie government-dependant sheep'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Citizens in Singapore must obtain a license to lawfully possess firearms and/or ammunition; applicants must provide justification for the license, such as target shooting or self-defense. "'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to be really shit here when the collapse happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone will be out in the street bawling and wailing "How did the government let this happen to us?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK can there be less civilians in Singapore with firearms than in Sweden when civilian possession of firearms is LEGAL in Singapore and ILlegal in Sweden?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e. of no use whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore has a tiny population'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't legal...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden has 7 mil, singapore 5,1. And he was also speaking of on a per capita basis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Citizens in Singapore must obtain a license to lawfully possess firearms and/or ammunition; applicants must provide justification for the license, such as target shooting or self-defense."'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has more guncrime per firearm than the USA by more than 2 orders of magnitude'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind of gun fears people have is like m-16's and ak-47's shooting up a bus full of holiday goers in honduras for a gang-warfare statement, and there isn't very many of those in the world - and i don't think americans can go to a average gun shop and purchase an ak-47 or m-16 - it's all gotten illegally, and they're always finding new ways to streamline the process of securing the borders and cargo, which is where those kind of weapons would come from'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course the gangs of Mexico have ak47's, the FBI sold them to 'em'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you don't count guns that you can't bring out of the range...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prohibiting legal possession of a firearm in a world where guns are a reality doesn't stop the majority of people who will commit gun-crimes from getting the weapons they use, next they'll try to ban knives and stuff too'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "self-defense" was too Japanese for you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I was thinking more of guns that are "on the streets" in a sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence is against the law in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Singapore, you can apparently get a license for a gun for self-defense purposes. Which would, you know, presumably allow one to possess it outside of firing rangers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ranges*'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's alright to require gun-owners have to keep their guns in a secure location, possibly locked - when not in use, but the problem doesn't seem to go away by punishing legitimate people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-defence. Ha. I'd like to see you try to get a gun quoting that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'criminals dont follow the law...that is what makes them criminal...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, you can in Singapore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with having a gun for self defence?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Just because it's on the law that you hypothetically could doesn't mean it will actually be permissible. '
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Majic, but it probably means that more civilians in Singapore own guns than in Sweden, where it is ILLEGAL.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as soon as he turned 18 they turned him in.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've noticed a lot of people of forums just churn out "talking points" fed to them by the white house'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the point....'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they're not always true'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'guns are illegal unless you get a permit back home... which is pretty much never granted unless it's kept on a range'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Pretty much never" =/= "Never" =/= "Less Singaporean civilians own firearms (legally) than Swedes".'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the number of illegal guns in sweden is most probably far higher in sweden than the sum of civilian legal and illegal guns in singapore (not counting ranges)'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'm counting all civilian arms, not just the legal ones...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, there are far more legal arms in sweden too, it seems...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'The difference between a peasant and a citizen, is that the citizen is armed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since you can get a permit for hunting, target shooting, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home it's the other way around...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the ones who are armed are invariably doing some shitty job!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd ammendment is not about hunting/target shooting'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's one obama peddled myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd ammendment was meant only for organised militia. Another myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, actually, in reply to yuna, sweden actually has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, from what I just dug up...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legally, the thing about the militia doesn't affect the amendment, but the guys who wrote it probably left their reasoning there hoping that future generations would use their brains a little...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also a reason why a way to amend constitutions was left...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the contrary, if you look at the context in which it was written, i.e arming the citizens to fight british oppression, it's pretty obvious what was meant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 2nd ammendment give citizens a final method of protection against the imposition of tyranny of central government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legal precedents agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2nd amendment implies gun ownership should be universal so the people can form a militia against the British.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the relative ease of manufacturing small arms these days, and modern weaponry... the justification isn't quite there anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'States are to the USA as countries are to the EU'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's analogous to the citizens of EU being armed against the EU imposing tyranny on member states'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these days it's only slightly more difficult for an unarmed population to revolt as opposed to an armed one'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agreee'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not like  a few hundred years ago when countries were poor and arms were precious'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's harder to put down an armed revolt'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need to do is cough in the direction of certain countries and tons of arms will flow across the border'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't this same convo happen a few days ago? :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh? who would the UK cough to? we're surrounded by enemies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'peasants never seem to have guns when they are getting massacred'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i said it'd been done to death, abe'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike back then, you can crank out small arms in your backyard with the right equipment at a high rate too...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i seen the kind of military equipment that exists and don't think civilians could do very much against a government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they're being armed by another government or something, like they do in the middle east now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the weapons that really matter when you're getting massacred are stuff like tanks and jets anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have al-cia-da rebels in syria, just like they were in libya'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funded and armed by the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it's no longer even citizens is it?, no benefaction of control for the people who provided the weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't our governments nice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether you have rifles at the start isn't really going to affect the outcome much...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tanks and jets are harder to use against individual targets, though...they're designed for one sovereign hitting another, not one hitting some of its people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think in the event of a collapse it'd be wise to get off onto the continent'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they're fighting for the survival of the regime, they tend to start the indiscriminate bombing...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at damascus and aleppo...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh look, you and your small arms pushed us out of the city? Well, let me introduce you to me old friends, Mr Artillery and Mr Tank. Oh, and Mr Jet too!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the saudi's are running anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns to the rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think Turkey helped them take the northern border crossing? to allow free transit of supplies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the amount of small arms they had at the start in civilian hands has become irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is 70 million people and enough local food production for 25 million'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's 17. And almost 18. He feels like you're treating him like a preteen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough non-imported electricty for 40 million'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough car-fuel for... 100k?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two scenarios 1. You have foreign arms/defections? Civilian arms irrelevant 2. You don't have them? Good luck. It won't help.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you just need to trade for it...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope other countries don't become protectionist, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the event of collapse, the government will close the borders'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and turn off the power'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll turn off communications'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope for french support!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and restrict movement'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if france doesn't feel like it. Good luck to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france'll likely be in the same boat'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the western world will'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a couple of the big economies tank, it'll be game over'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the whole euro crisis, continental europe is in a bigger hole than the UK, yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll gain momentum, it's all a house of cards'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all they're doing at the moment is kicking the can down the road, but it will inevitably explode'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is what happens when you consistently do the exact opposite of what the experts recommend...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are the experts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the economists,etc. (who actually have a good track record AND a model that gives their predictions)'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'delong, krugman, kylie, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err. no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"waitwaitwait maybe you should think through the whole euro thing!" "Bah, stupid academics, you're just jealous of our unity!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's only one guaranteed fact with economics and economists'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"waitwaitwait this austerity thing will cause massive unemployment and worsen the long term economic situation!" "But we're deep in debt, you silly academics!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no experts'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they have a model that consistently makes predictions with low errors...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd call them experts'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm seen them make predictions which keep getting fulfilled...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inflation is lower than ever, unemployment is still high, interest rates are close to zero...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is not low'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they predicted the housing bubble...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not difficult to predict something that was created by design'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-i- predicted the housing bubble'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not an economist'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's true, all the uncertainty and stuff they give to human administration but how sure they are that they have nothing to do with pollution and pesky natural problems like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they had pretty good predictions of the impact of various policies too, like the bush tax cuts, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is considerably higher than the measures suggest'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effective inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's incorrect. It may seem that way depending on what you consume'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some prices rise and others fall'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't think of anything in the Uk that has fallen in cost in the last 5 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just because your consumption pattern doesn't fit the weightage assigned for the general economy doesn't mean that inflation is higher/lower than the official figures'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find it isn't me'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'electronics!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they changed the way that inflation was measured a couple of decades ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's always funny, when the cinch the belt at a time of tribulation, and then keep on cinching it at times of plenty'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they'd still been using the original inflation measure, inflation would have been 7-15% for much of the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, consumption patterns change over time... can you imagine not including modern equipment in inflation measures?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if inflation measures only included costs of caves, sticks, stones, etc. Wouldn't be a useful measure'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when the tribulation is all a figment of their imagination, as is the case with money and human administratino - manmade'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation was artificially low thanks to China'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's set for an epic correction though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only because of eventual global warming...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if not for that, china could just keep cranking out more...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and with india coming on line...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? global warming has nothing to do with... well, anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the natural disaster that will follow will likely produce a supply shock'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming is just a boogie man to get people to pay more tax and limit their freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which will lead to inflation. But that's not the sort of inflation that affect the austerity/stimulus policy. Yet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say seattle and other coastal cities, along with several small islands are expected to disappear by 2100 under around a 20 foot sea level rise'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or wait.. miami it was'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nasa said it on national geographic documentary, maybe they made it up though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you suppose we are raising our land to 2.15m above the highest tide level for fun?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nasa also mix up kilometers and miles'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all the evidence points to disaster...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "Mix up", you mean "Use both", yeah. All aeronautical vehicles use miles, I believe. Some use both.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean "mix up" as in, have a multi-million pound probe destroyed because of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bet NASA also said that Polar bears can't swim'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's what you get for clinging to the Imperial Bullshit System.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change will happen. it's inevitable. has always happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not at this rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, except for events like metoer strike'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but can you look at something like gulf of mexico oil spill or toxic waste lakes people were drinking from just 50 years ago and say humans have nothing to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'meteor'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of accountability or responsible people will be observing arctic drilling?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'd maybe do nothing for oil spills that large'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you build stuff at or below sea level, or on flood plains, don't run around panicking and calling for global taxes, stealing land and imposing draconian restrictions because you were too stupid to figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not rocket science'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you take natural variation as noise, our signal is already far stronger than the noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mixed with that amount of ice, can be accumulatively destructive and contributing to sea level rises/wind patterns and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not just coastal areas... Flooding is the least of our problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about ecosystem damage than climate change'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pollution, non-renewable resources'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's a mass extinction, if the insects which pollinate some of our crops are affected, we'll be really screwed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't want to spend my twilight years eating GM algae...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do something about it then'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as economists tend to say, it's better to tax bad things than good things...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'replace some taxes with a tax on pollution/emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change scare was written in the 1880s by communits and has propogated since then'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'siding with the corporations against the invisible communists again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just pointing out that taxation doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxation doesn't work?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'encourage the behaviour you DO want rather than penalise the behaviour you don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'corporations are more rational than people... they realise that there's no difference as far as incentives go'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was more expensive to continue over 5 years to not upgrade your toxic waste generating facility to the proven alternatives which are made affordable, then maybe they'd make the alterations'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should probably outlaw gmo without long-term independant t3esting'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and taxing them rather than taxing everyone and rewarding good behaviour causes less problems and deadweight loss'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that were true, Monsanto wouldn't be seeking immunity from future prosecution for any of their future products'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Merck wouldn't have faked efficacy and safety studies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on their medication'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and glaxo smithklyne wouldn't have got caught in a program of bribing doctors to overprescribe to raise profits'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, taxation has historically worked very well to reduce incentives for activity...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't any more'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalisation is a problem, but it's out of the box now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when margins are low, because they tend to have to either go bankrupt or improve efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is where the problem -isn't-'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, back home we prefer to let other countries pollute themselves...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not Joe Public'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we just move into other industries'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The problem that I see is that they want everything there way and not the majority's way." - Exactly why you should never leave the rights of a minority up to vote for the majority.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I debate that politics suck.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy solution to that is to ensure that democracies are small enough that minorities can be catered for'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, not a world government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By what, breaking up the government into mini-government on a neighbourhood-basis?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not on a neighbourhood basis'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'ugh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Pretty much how the United States does it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, would work fine at a county level. state level in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Each State has quite a bit of power.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to be aiming for no more than a million people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no other way to "ensure that democracies are small enough that minorities can be catered for".'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe the blue states and red states should split!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they should, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, my state is purplish, so...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, more like red with three blue polkadots'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is it industrial? Does it pay more to the feds than it receives?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracies work better when they're a manageable size, and when the power base is the right way up'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, the people holding the power'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if so it would probably benefit from going with the blue states. If not, the red states'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Mine is red with one giant fucking blue splash last I looked.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, NY?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, Il, sorry, thinking of where I'm going to school :p-'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be best served by going third party, but there'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Johnson's lot'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'N.Y. resident about the Onion's joke about 9/11:  "It's not OK. Ever." Alrighty then, extremist lady.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you joke about 911, the terrorists win.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More like if you don't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is inherited slavery limited to savage lands like afghanistan and nigeria, or is it everywhere where a human exists?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'servant of god'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'average hard working mexican might make 6-10 dollars a day, while some prominent telecommunications ones make a billion a year'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one place though, a soldier in canada makes 40k per year, which is less than 1/1000th what the CEO of air canada receives in 1 year'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a smaller difference though'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, what are they fighting for?  some kind of twisted perversion of freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and equality yeah'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a job is a job'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'think he wants Communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communism like russia in 1929?  i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Zade and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'leaders of communist nations never lack any of the excess spoils of life'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're slavery'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Capitalism hasn't changed much, Greece is collapsing(reminds you of the Depression in 1929)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is disturbed by unfairness, but is not yet able to suggest workable bloodless solutions -- so he tilts at windmills'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well no matter what, some will be poor and others will be rich'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'the only thing the government has to do is to give everybody an equal chance at attaining wealth - if you mess up your chance then that's your(and sadly the taxpayers) problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'but that's just my 2cents'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'economic class based eugenics seems to still exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who has money is the best breed of human to procreate'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Chemosh and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guaranteed success, just need to get this 8000 tonnes of cocaine into america'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sepulchre, that is no such thing as "give everybody an equal chance"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'figuratively speaking, i don't actually use or have any cocaine'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'It may not be a personal's fault that they are born without the ability to recognize they should do well in school, college, etc, but it isn't our job to uplift them...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'school is structured to make people hate themselves and commit suicide'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is the social aspect of school not a part of development of human beings?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and there is no such thing as 'freedom and democracy', we should ATLEAST TRY to provide these things to the best of our abilities'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Interestingly enough, Sepulchure, how many kids in your highschool who grew up to be asshats, how many of the lugged books around and stayed afterschool to study more?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'not alot'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'but should they suddenly suffer if their peers failed to make a living?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'how are they suffering?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if school is a horror, then some parents are teaching their kids to be terrorists, aided and abetted by teachers'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'should the kid who studied, took extra-lessons and grew up to be a millionaire now feel guilty that his peers make 1/100th of his salary'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well schools are prison really'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Chemosh, suggesting that schoolkids do themselves in is an indirect act of terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'There was a movie that came out a few years back that had an idea to remove one year of high school replaced with one of civil service, peace corps, or OJT...a decent idea I think...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure . o O (  )
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not terrorism, humans are un-naturally evil, unlike the peculiarities of 100 years ago, the rare-case is now the normal'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're self-loathing and suicidal, because of the media, the trash they have to go through to progress by force and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'high school should be dropped, if a child knows what they want to be they shouldn't spend 5years in school'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism takes many forms, more so than the legal definition by those terrorists in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the fuck needs 5 years to get through High School?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i can accuse lots of people of being terrorists if i want'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to make money, you have to do something you hate for somebody you hate more with others who make you hate your job even more - it's all a sacrifice of your own free will and self-worth for money, which is worth 1/1000th that of a air canada ceo, who doesn't have to worry about such trivialities as inconvenience'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he got there through hard working, like world war 1 pilot's invented the air travel industry and did it for free'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'm about to fart....'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Chemosh, did you have a bad flight experience with Canda Air?:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no i just looked at the number and the arbitrator's choices and compared it to people who defend his kingdom's value'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he's really a small-timers, and that's just one of his income's'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I debate that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I fail to see the problem if one person is wealthier than another'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so they own everything, from your food and water to your land and 'free market' and everything in town, including education and your children are in good hands in this fair world of theirs'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not reproducing is one solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Look at nature and tell me it is "fair"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even your democratic politicians must pass the czar's approval before your lie called democracy has any illusory significance, and the media hides that from sight'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: '"I do not see why man should not be as cruel as nature" Adolf Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'supposedly'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who cares about nature, human lies called justice and stuff like that are lies, nothing to do with nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want an un-natural invention called a country or something like that to exist on earth, then they should make it unnaturally fair'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Chemosh, you are really coming across as a Commie'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they can get fucked'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'A shelter against nature isn't a lie, a building can protect someone from the elements but it can still be knocked down...it still requires maintence...there are good ways to build it and bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh complains, but until Chemosh is able to suggest a workable alternative that does not degenerate into something similarly unfair or worse, not going to get an respectful audience'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'paraphrasing here but isn't democracy the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'still the whole 'hate the rich man' attitude is just useless, such an attitude neglects to highlight the charities that exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I think that was about capatalism wasn't it...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is likely decades from even beginning to suggest an inkling of a working solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'He did strike on a point, talking about nature ...that is really all civilization is, a construct against nature, for survival...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'charities wouldn't be as relevant if the rich people who donate to them didn't keep on finding excuses for unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talk is cheap'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a small slice of the goat's ass, i'll eat the rump'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'don't rich people create employment? granted low wage but still'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I personally think the solution is technology...look at it...didn't the technology fo FIREMAKING make humanity possible? '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich alone do not create employment'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and iirc Fermi's paradox is applicable here : what defines wealth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aterius, too simplistic, talk is cheap '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dell.. the american company, has all of its help desks in india for instance, and detroit couldn't afford to keep a wal-mart distribution facility there, so the people who purchase american slaves sent it to mexico for a cost-cutting alternative, possibly with a pre-cleared route for daily crates of drugs and other paraphernelia mixed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as it's sealed and the electronics sense no tampering, it must be legit'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'one gold coin? no. two? - and on and on, at what amount of coins(dollars) does a person become 'rich'?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada has oil and gold and uranium and potash and coal and grain and all kinds of shit on it, but it's all managed from foreign nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Fair enough Zade, what I mean is, the only thing that is practically in this argument is, practical inventions...you have a hunger problem, invent the plough to get more food, you have a money problem, make shit cheaper or more efficient...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even communist foreign nations, cause it's a slave-state '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the carburator in your 'made in america' johnson chainsaw comes from japan'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that use foul language in a debate indicate that they do not believe the crap they are saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I disagree, a Communist state is not a slave-state, in the hands of the right people Communism could be a great thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about your john deer tractor?  deceptively 'made in america''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'it's human greed and selfishness that hinders Communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'why don't you guys argue on the best way to make nuclear fusion possible, that would solve a lot of problems...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Sepulchre, communism shall never work '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all oil sales from texas will be made in america, sucked under the ground from alberta to europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'why do you say that Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like petro china will stream line immigration and migrant worker 125 million the petro china oil fields in alberta to china, selling oil to themselves, and paying themselves for their sales'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is against the law of nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can make up for the taxes by importing all of the naturalized chinese citizens that work the oil fields'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'communism works in almost every family. As long as it's explicitly consensual, I don't see problem with it. Problem with the real communism is that they try to force other people into it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'And against Maslow hierachy of needs...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really. ants seem to be communist :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Communism isn't against nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd say ants are part of nature and follow the laws of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'It is against HUMAN nature then...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but iirc it was zade who came out some retarded statement like "lol marx was a vile and evil man"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Seltsimees Dagnir and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and tbh americans suck at understanding socialism and communism. or even telling the two apart'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Aardwolf should become Communistic'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism does not work in families either -- if those in families work together, that is not communism but something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'collectivism then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'what would you call it then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is inherently corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and collectivism falls under Communism, ask any Kulak that under Stalin's rein'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really? name one communist state. ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would say true communism is unobtainable. it hasn't been practiced'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd say trying for true communism with 30 million genocides (or 300+) in the last 100 years under the flag of communism would be a deadly endeavour'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'honestly, is religon to some extent not communistic? "treat each other like brothers and sisters"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'soviet union tried to establish it during its entire existence. the system itself was called "advanced socialism"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people like the disguise for population genocide control though, so it might happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"true communism" is easy enough, you just need 100% pure good humans in the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but there isn't a single truly communistic state in the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is against the laws of nature; communism requires murderous brutality to maintain communism; and where there is murderous intent, corruption follows'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't even know what the fucking word means'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Capitalism requires the slavery of the poor man to main itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i know that you lost the debate withyour foulmouth, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a pretty good description what went on in the soviet union, but communism has nothing to do with it since it wasn't practiced'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so zade's saying communism's the only natural form of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'SU attempted it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the inevitable result is the same as any other form'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'USA got scared and waged an 'icy' war with them:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if usa was ever the enemy of russia, they wouldn't have gotten involved in fighting against germany in ww2'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as zade says about communism, what's needed to maintain communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is a liar troll attempting to put false words in the mouths of others (by using uneducated false and flawed logic)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you could at least tell apart utopistic ideas and actual forms of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'so what? Capitalism is the lesser evil between Communism, is that what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Obama is as black as he is white....why do we call him a black president?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in north korea/russia (past?)/haiti and some african nations, the leader's seen as the living avatar of God almighty, their immortal lord of mortalness who they are the sheep of serving his holy will (from what i read in the media/seen, way people seem to act and things) and in capitalist nations instead of having the God, they have the money which is the altar on which their god sits, who tells them what to sacrifice for him next'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'cause people are sensitive about race'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Omg it's so tempting....are we allowed to be openly racist here because I have a great joke'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fundamentally they look basically the same to me, i see alot of mindlessness in the free capitalist world that people see about the cult of personality 'them' communist worlds'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'one black president will not erode the past actions of the KKK and the slave trade route'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'tell that to everyone whos voting for him just bc of his skin color'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh...and promises of 'free' money of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'welfare can blow me'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'contrary to what false "comrade Chemosh" is attempting to gainsay, communism is Not a natural form of government  -- Zade stated "Communism is against the laws of *nature*"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't you also say that nature wasn't very fair?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well that's just dumb and racist, 100yrs ago being black meant you were apparently dumb and now it means a guarented spot in the white house. Says alot about Americans'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not say i said what i did not say, or i am going to get verbally nasty'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Quick, to the internet...it's arguing time...someone is WRONG...and only I can stop them!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud at Aterius.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://xkcd.com/386/'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'there's a picture similiar to that'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'That's the exact image I was thinking of Majic...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Dispel Majic and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I figured.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'me too'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'My wife does that all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I like discussing various ways we can improve things but the moments it becomes about proving someone right/wrong I basically leave'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Zade, I think you completely missed the point of what Chemosh said. You said "communism requires murderous brutality to maintain communism; and where there is murderous intent, corruption follows'" and he replied "so zade's saying communism's the only natural form of government" implying that such is inherent in nature in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I would love to hear various people's thoughts on the possible breathroughs of fusion power or carbon nanotubes, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, you are obviously trolling -- two may play that foul game: using false premises to twist logic to claim that the opponent said the opposite of what the opponent said -- but then the debate degenerates into lies slander calumny and worse'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Guess you can't understand his sarcasm :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you call that "sarcasm"  so i stuff false words into your mouth, and call that "sarcasm"  (and yes, i am being sarcastic, and i am learning how to "debate" on Aardwolf channels -- sad that truth shall leave Aardwolf behind ad go elsewhere) )  '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'enough of this nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his sarcasm was in implying that corruption and brutality are inherent in nature -- to say that something is unnatural because it requires corruption and brutality is silly at best. Nature is not kind.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of logic errors there, Majic, some based on misuse of wordplay and assumed opposites, switching between different meanings of the samer word, tsk tak'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why don't you ask him what he meant instead of immediately jumping into personal attacks against him?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a plausible answer is "Chemosh is unable to explain what he said by that false gainsay (since he wrongly inserted "only", thus indicating an "incoherent mode Chemosh". and in the past, an incoherent Chemosh refused to eludidate, stating that the audience is supposed to be smart enough to decipher what is meant to say}" '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or maybe that it's rather pointless to try to explain anything to you in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Silent Noro is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternatively, if you are blatently wrong, you are unable to explain, although you may attempt to rehash the errored logic and perhaps realise where you went wrong , although pride may interfere in the case of somebody so self-important and self-prestigious as you -- so yeah, maybe pointless :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except that I'm not blatantly wrong. You are, mostly due to the fact that you assume anything coming out of Chemosh's mouth is an insult to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So speaking of refusing to admit wrongness, look in the mirror.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong again Majic, i merely objected to Chemosh saying that i said something that i did not say and was something that i'd never say seriously in that context'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Algebra is mandatory for graduation in nearly every state now -- many states now require Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II, and an advanced math, and more are moving that way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except, Zade, he didn't seriously say you said it. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck? you still butthurt over your misunderstanding?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sit like a Trurien: 'I think Algebra is pretty important.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'has to be trolling'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do think Algebra is important, but I think that requiring students, regardless of educational aspirations, to take math as if they were going to take calculus as a freshman ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sit like a Trurien rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Algebra is non-religious, perhaps atheistic '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'States are looking to include a vocational alternative instead of higher math...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'At some point, you have to make choices. And yes, taking more math keeps doors open, but taking more math can reduce other courses which could also open doors.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: '.. when the hell did anyone say that algebra was religious? Or did I miss a few lines?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Some are, some are not. Some are just set on this 'college prep for all' bandwagon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, would you kindly fuck off already? you keep using words you don't seem to understand fully'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you missed a few lines'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I didn't see any lines that could've prompted that, was it the voices in your head?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dagnir, nope :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'algebra is point less make kids learn trig'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can't really learn trig without basic algebra.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'trig is awesome and practical'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Trigonometry is based on Algebra'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'start with spelling, maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree, Dagnir.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, we have Algebra as part of Maths. Not as a separate subject, but as a part of Junior Maths (our equivalent to High School also only has 3 grades).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I accidentally lied. I meant Sophomore (1st year) Maths.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nods, it's rather an American thing to separate out Algebra and Geometry as different courses and not something I think is a good idea.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'same here. geometry, algebra and everything else is included in math'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'although the Common Core is opening the door to re-integrate alg/geo again.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Relatively few college courses/majors require Maths knowledge besides the basics (or at all), so I don't see why High School kids should be REQUIRED to take Algebra and Trig.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have optional courses that cover those things, but they are OPTIONAL for a reason.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler pukes on his clothes.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Algebra is vastly different to Geometry '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Perhaps they should've been required to take courses in statistics, because they confuse correlation with causation :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What state were you in again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Issue: Students who take advanced math in high school make more money than students who don't. Solution: Make EVERYONE take advanced math and then everyone will make more money!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should blunt smoking be an olympic sport?  DEBATE ON!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no but rolling should be'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You know that's stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its not 'lets make more money' it's 'lets be more productive''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, whichever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not if u r smoking blunts'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that take Math in High school are more likely to become atheists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, rolling should. my joints are amazing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Architecture and Poetry were once Olympic sports.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'they are not even close to equivilant :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'those that read are more likely to be atheists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'DONT READ'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'or u go to hell'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'home decorating and other silly stuff used to be olympic events tho'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'However, I don't believe the solution is to require everyone to take advanced math regardless of aspirations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna, on which planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop confusing Atheism with being Irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade questioning basic well-known facts? How unusual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_competitions_at_the_Olympic_Games'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'isn't no theology and no religion pretty synonymous'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheism does not mean "No Theology". It means "Not Deistic" (I know, confusing).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheists do not believe in any Deities (a.k.a. Gods). Irreligious people hold no religion whatsoever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you going to believe Wikipedia -- Architecture as an Olympic sport ?!? -- strains the believability'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Case in point: You can be an Atheist AND a Buddhist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but same hold for irreligious and Buddhist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'https://www.google.se/search?q=architecture+olympic+sport&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 - 155 fucking million hits on youtube. Not all about architecture as an olympic sport, but plenty.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Atheism isn't agnosticism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wikipedia is trash for a lot of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is not a fight you can win, Zade. It's a well-established and well-known historical fact. Wikipedia was just the easiest and fastest source to pull out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot be Irreligious AND Buddhist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because Buddhism is a religion. Being Irreligious means you hold NO religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think of buddhism as a philosophy more than a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Buddhism is a philosophy not a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Buddhism deals with an afterlife. It's a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you choose to include it, it can be'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One of the defining traits of religions is that it deals with the afterlife.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ask any theologian and they'll agree that Buddhism is a religion. Buddhists agree that it's a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the etymological defining trait of religions is relics'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to what Dictionary, Zade the Ignorant?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'atheism is a religion that disbelieves in the afterlife'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '" "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life""'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, NO. Atheism is not a religion and Atheism is NOT a disbelief in an afterlife. I LOVE it how you somehow keep trying to contradict basic facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, once again, please fuck off. your stupidity makes me sad :'('
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in another dictionary, religion is etymologically from "religens" (fearing of gods) which is opposite to "negligens".  a Neglige (free-and-easy attire) is thus obviously atheistic. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? How does that translate to "From relics"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also. NO. (on the stupid, STUPID point about Atheism).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, wow, folk etymology at its finest :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop HALLUCINATING how the world works and basic well-established facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to spewing bullshit conspiracy theories and calling everyone Communists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'communist atheists*'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '"Your search - religens "fearing of gods" dictionary - did not match any documents."'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "relic" etymology was likely from something read on the web -- "relics" are usually holy remains used by religions to "bind" believers together in the "fearing of god" '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I call BS on this dictionary existing :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because "Religiens" means "Careful".'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here's something for you Yuna: is theosophy a religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, different words in different languages can sound alike and be totally unrelated. It's common among the semi-educated to attempt to claim they're related based on sound-alikes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. It doesn't preclude one being religious, but theosophy is basically just theistic philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What about Madame Blavatsky style theosophy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't really care. Too much text for me to read just to find the answer to your question.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many etymologies are often whatever the dictionary scribe decides to call an etymology -- the scribe Stephen Colbert added several words and etymologies (at least two) to the urban ad or official dictionaries'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The irony is that the biggest contemporary pushers of atheism...aren't atheists.  The question is why, then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'However, by definition, theosophy neither precludes not includes religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they are not Atheists and/or Irreligious, then what are they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point was that you know that Blavatsky was a satanist, right'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'is satanism a religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think Urban Dictionary is an official anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I didn't. Satanism also isn't a religion, it's a philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on if you're a satanist because you actually believe in satan and worship him or if you're just doing it to piss off your local christians and because it's cool :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you believe in Satan and worship him, then you're a devil worshipper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Majic.  Though, Satanism has: relics, and afterlife dogma, which I believe fits in your description of "religion"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Satanism in the modern sense is not about Satan at all but about putting oneself first.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly...hence the push to atheism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know Satanism had an afterlife dogma. What is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The biggest pushers of atheism are theists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The classic "as above, so below" - rule the world with Satan.  Course that happens, right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd say the Westboro Baptist Church has pushed a bunch into atheism, for sure :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What kind of Satanism are we talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about modern Satanism, the philosophy, not Devil Worshipping Satanism, the batshit insane "religion".'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Modern Satanism doesn't believe in an afterlife. Or God. Or Satan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As in what? Crowley based Satanism?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe that is tantamount to atheism, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yah.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'think your talking about luciferism Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Crowley-based Satanism is an Atheistic philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, let me double check that name.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant LaVeyan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'theosophy (a belief in the supernatural common to most religions) and the theosophical society (most likely a religion) are, due to similarities, both religions even if they deny they are religions'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even deign to acknowledge the forms of Satanism that actually worships Satan as legit anythings.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I also don't consider Scientology anything but utter horseshit)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'why not they have dogma a deity and all the trapping of a religion why wouldn't they be legit'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wicca? :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I consider a lot of things people would consider religions or stuff cults.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckankar is a religion, even though Eckists deny they are a religion (they attempt to claim they are "a way of life" and not a religion, but they are deluded, they are a religion)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: 'Deluded, just like you. :) '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade, haven't you noticed that we treat you the same way we treat Chemosh? With quiet disdain? And how we ignore you? We're not going to reply to your batshit insane bullshit. So do everyone a favour and shut the fuck up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and worshipping a zombie with delusions of becoming a stage magician makes sense compared to scientology?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't have to waste your type typing up stuff nobody cares about and we don't have to exert the brain processing power to ignore what you write.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with being in a cult, as long as none of you know the other is full of shit, otherwise it's just not very indulging to pretend'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, have you met me, RandAlthor? Yuna - Militant Atheist and Irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'diddo'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Scientology is batshit insane, though. Hubbard made it up on a drunken bet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'wasn't projecting the affect on you was making a point that ALL religions are bat shit crazy'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Did FFX make you atheist? Half-joking'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, i guess there's all kinds of things wrong with being in cults, but they're not all sadomasochistic criminal enterprises'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We at least don't know how Christianity started.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some more so than others, though, RandAlthor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Mormonism? Cult!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe you don't know, but some others may know'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nobody alive knows for sure :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Same with any of the older ones. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Illuminati/Masonic based cult to lead you off the wrong path'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am sure that i am alive'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'perhaps I should say 'most''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: 'Sure, Jesus walked on water. But - it was frozen. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Zade. I'm SURE there are people who know exactly how Christianity started.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're SPECIAL like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I did not say that you didn't know whether you were alive.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'At least it's more believable than Incident 1 lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No Noro, there were stepping stones :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'um i come from a culture that teaches the creator created everything and everything has a soul even your hair and man was cursed to kill to survive after the cyotote tricked him into eating meat'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Silent Noro giggles at Dispel Majic's actions.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Certain Indian tribes believe hair has souls?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'in our creation myths'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I was born in Buddhism. The least batshit insane of the major religions.''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had floatation devices 2000 years ago too, even if he walked in water with his bare feet like one of those 'crouching tiger, hidden dragon' monks, it's also likely to be a metaphor relating to the scripture'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would that be considered a miracle or astound onlookers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure that particular part of the Bible is supposed to be taken literally.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are several inadequate defects with Buddhism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Inadequate defects"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean ... they're not defective enough?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, they're not defective enough?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's Tigernuts? We need the entire Triumvirate present to annoy us.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is the most defectless religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably one where to leave is to meet an untimely demise'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'craziest part of my tribal religion is the catholic church gave them the OK to continue practicing after being converted on the gounds the teachings are the same and the rituals were only slightly perverted over time'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bokononism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pastafarianism. You can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or you can choose not to. If you choose to, you may worship him as a god or you may choose not to. Everybody wins in the end anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the military?  people rather commit suicide than say 'i quit', or did they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'holy snikees haven't heard of pastafarianism in forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the Hell did you segue into that from the topic of religion, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mix up religion and power structures sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean, you don't exist and I'm ignoring your batshit insane bullshit!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"all religions are inherently unethical" -- doubt that there are any exceptions, and if there are, they are likely no longer a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lol, I was just talking to a friend who had never heard of pastafarianism :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not the only one though, if you watch the israeli movie 'lebanon' aired on superchannel about 8 months ago, they refer to fallen soldiers as angels, so it's sort of religious'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the movie includes a crying donkey, like the dumb ass jesus rode into jerusalem and a field of sunflowers referred to in a song by om called flight of the eagle'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine every military on earth has a sort of superstitious allegory to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"04 Aug 19:09 - RandAlthor tells you 'was that a Heinlein quote?'" -- nope, that was something heard on irc while debating religious nutters'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade calling anyone a nutter. Pot, meet kettle.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'well time for a heinlein quote then'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'History does not record anywhere at anytime a religion that has any rational basis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is rewritten, perhaps for that reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and into the trashcan goes Heinlein'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'history's written by the victor, who doesn't mind if his new servants are misled by religion, sometimes rooted in reality of the old culture that is brainwashed into the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'saying all religions are senseless nothing's to do with reality doesn't always pay off, maybe some are symbolic of people's freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but twisted to mean nothing of the sort'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after all that, no directions to go anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. --Heinlein... time enough for love'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just something i consider, i don't see why a superior intelligence that manipulates the space in which everything resides itself can't exist, except for trying to find a reason why'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i know anything's possible, just more or less likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religion is a lie that obscure the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religion is a lie that obscures the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'say it twice and it cancels out'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler farts at himself.  Better him than you.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Logical fallacy though - because some religions are false does not mean there is an absence of truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Confirmation bias in a major way'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'religion is a .. it something that is out there. whatever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are lies that obscure the finding of a wittgenstein ladder to a more plausible truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a wittgenstein ladder is a seeming logical fallacy until the ladder is ascended'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a wittgenstein ladder seems to lead up into mid-air upon which there is neither footing nor support.  yet upon ascending the wittgenstein ladder a solid plateau is found, and standing on that plateau looking down to where the ladder started: an absence of solid footing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the price of liberty is eternal vigilence" (and a strong nation)'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh for the love of penises, the Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy currently hold the top 3 spots of the most-sold-books list on Amazon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'What are you debating, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The downfall of society.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Society is doomed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Twilight is making all kinds of top lists while Fifty Shades of Grey, a.k.a. Twilight For the Older Fucktards, I Mean Ladies, is doing the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Is this surprising?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Say all you want about teenage boys and their misplaced priorities, but as far as I know, there's never been a male version of Twilight/50 making top anythings (i.e. movies/books with very little value that make it big simply due to sex).'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's because boys prefer porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Teenage boys tend to have their priorities pretty well placed..'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised at the vehemence at which girls and women are flocking to these vapid franchises/icons. Justin Bieber is still big (somehow) and One Direction is inspiring riots, despite being piss poor vocally live.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Out of 5 boys, only 2 can sing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Priority 1: Propagate the species. Priority 2: Who gives a fuck?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even we who hate these things have to suffer because of them. Radio, TV, the movies, we're assaulted with commercials for this crap. I'm dreading the 50 Shades of Grey commercials that will start playing once the film gets underway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, Cass Sunstein is stepping dow. WHat a vile piece of work he was'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George Soros should be illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Sepulchure for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure THWAPS your mom!
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'so what pointless argument shall we engage in today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my real life activism done for one night'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what links the sikh shooter and the colorado batman bombing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with the SPLC being involved in setting up neo-nazi groups and acting as agent provocoteurs? '
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A bunch of progressive free thinkers those Catholics. The Vatican just rejected a candidate to become a Bulgarian diplomat in the Vatican not because he's gay but because he wrote a (best-selling book) that had a gay scene in it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's not enough for them to discriminate against gays, they also discriminate against anyone who has gay friends or speaks about gay people in a non-negative manner, presumably.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(The diplomat/author is not gay)'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sexpervert was too outspoken an activist and likely intended to use the diplomatic post to spread more subversion'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to hiding under your bridge.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an outspoken abomination spreading more filth is far worse than a diseased diplomat hiding in a closet'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican is required to protect the Faith from the heretics infidels and heathens'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was insulting of the Bulgarians to offer an outspoken homosexual as a diplomatic liason to the Vatican -- perhaps excommunicate the sordid bulgarians responsible ?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bulgarian rhymes with buggarian, a coincidence, perhaps not'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican prefers to not endorse those attempting to spread moral corruption (in filthy sexbooks) (and the offered diplomat was not a priest, so no special dispensation, and if he were, he'd be hushed to a closet, and rejected regardless)'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna seems to dislike "50 Shades of Gray" for some (misongynistic -- Yuna called old ladies f***t***s) reason '
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spon cleaner?'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my MP is such a dick'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his response to a proposed bill that will record everyone's internet activity for police to trawl through was "we've been recording voice calls for years. This just extends that power to new technologies"'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if that makes it ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like the Germans in WW2 arguing "we've been killing political dissidents for years, what's a few million jews and romanies extra going to harm"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they required warrants before to access those recordings'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police do, intelligence services don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the database will be created, populated and maintained by private companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the internet users may as start encrypting all ptp communications'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should require a warrant to tap/record int he first place'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we most certainly will be'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two wrongs don't make a right, they need to start butting out'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compressing all communications is a good start -- that is almost like encrypting if the decompression algorythm is mising'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you plan on using non-standard compression techniques, it'll be irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can unencrypt most of the earlier encryptions on the fly as it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the output from aardwolf is mccp compressed, so an initial casual snoop does not revea anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest issue will be that all major operating systems are compromised'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've stolen all our cash, now they're coming for our Interwebz'
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T3/r7/2012-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'really interesting conversation about harassment and female online gamers on NPR talk of the nation today. anyone else listening?'
T3/r7/2012-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate british politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd bought $1000 of gold in 2002, it would be worth $10,000 now'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congrats, this is our world now: http://tinyurl.com/c43ce5v'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man arrested at olympics for "not smiling": http://tinyurl.com/93lhjzq'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that in Britain no less'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) has called on the US to suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19213550 is this indication why so few people can afford the cost of living, to have their own space in a land 8x the size of china or india, who both have a population of 1.5 billion, and who gets sacrificed if they're hungry?  (and canada) obviously most canadians can't afford to have a good credit rating to take out a 800,000 dollar loan on a little shack, cause they have 1/10'th the population of america and an even larger country'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '8x the size of China or India? Hmmm. '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this might sound like an arbitrary point, but can you rephrase that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes sense people gotta eat, and i guess there is some destroyed crops'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok maybe not 8, saskatchewan/alberta the size of china, then there's northwest territories, yukon, b.c, manitoba, quebec, ontario, new brunswick, nova scotia and newfoundland / PEI'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that labrador'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all is good crop land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn cold up there'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true, most of the country's not very hospitable to humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still no, Chemosh. Just brought up the CIA website, which lists countries in order of area. Canada, approx 9.9 sq km, US 9.8, China 9.6.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Russia, btw, at 17m sq km'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it list usable arable land?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at a map of the world, canada's not much smaller than russia'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm not so sure china's that big, it looks smaller than the usa to me by a lot'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh, Canada is more than 7 million sq km smaller than Russia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Chemosh check facts before posting snippets from (say) The Onion '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But it's not, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most maps distort countries because they're reprojecting it on a flat rectangular plane'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can make it up too while they starve africa to death, 'we have global food shortage' you must make sacrifices, and then pile up their graincastles of imports in the desert'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was arguin with someone on that self same website today about african starvation'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pointed out that we are to blame as much as anything because of our imperialism in the past, and our current 'green' policies that prevent africa from industrialising'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'africa just has freshwater lakes the size of texas and lots of fertile land to grow their own food on'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, and they'll never be able to make use of it because either the west, or china will abuse the shit out of it, and the locals will get nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population of India used to be smaller -- then modern industrial farming methods permitted them to breed to excess'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has been the case for 200 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can develop chemicals in mozambique, the poorest and lowest mortality rate nation on earth, but those brains can't develop a food supply from their own land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even bankers from a local community here, and it's a nondescript small town, go to africa for meetings'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population of Ethiopia was small -- during nondroughts they overbred -- the droughts came -- they starved'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just double checked against my 2010 World Almanac and Book of Facts... China, 3.7 mill. sq mi.... Canada, 3.85 mill sq mi... US 3.8 mill sq mi.  Just saying, because claiming that the US or anyplace else on Earth is 8 times the size of China (when China, the US, and Canada, are all practically the same size) is misinformed, disingenuous, or both.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't questioning if biofuel is less of a perogative than a food supply, but who's saying how to administrate the country'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biofuels just aren't needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems odd to me to have some italian from brazil born in america on the un food supply system tellin them what's up with their agriculture in america, a month after a population control summit in rio'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap "biofuels" from algae farms may assist fuel production -- but do those farms reek'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can make diesel in a lab now with some form of special yeast'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll outdo algae'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"wind farm" noise may be irritating to some sensitive humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind farms are not a solution to a country or state's energy requirements'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you have a windy, large, unpopulated area'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even then, not by themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that yeast uses sugar, where did the sugar come from'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where I live there's a local general store that sells non-ethanol gasoline. Everybody buys gas there for their mowers, chain saws, anything with a small engine. The ethanol is brutal on them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing's a free ride when it comes to fuel'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'algae farms are supposed to only use the atmosphere and a few minerals -- unsure about yeast doing the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the almanac might be full of shit, but i'd have to measure it myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's all these people comparing america to the nazi's, after stalin starved the genocide cossacks to death in ukraine for stalin's grain in the 1930's, according to one speech that might be hitler's, russia demanded that germany starve millions of it's own citizens to death for stalin's grain - so it might be what's eventually going to happen cause it's happened before, and what kind of figurative nazi do people see in america to write up those conspiracy's?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read one conspiracy that claimed german male's not slaughtered by the gulag were sent to work on farm's, and there's lots of those in the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canada is a federal state governed as a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, with Queen Elizabeth II as its head of state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon  The English-speaking territories of Cameroon have grown increasingly alienated from the government, -- Yang's time in Ottawa was dedicated to securing more foreign aid for his country, despite human rights abuses and Canadian concerns about corruption. Along with other representatives of African countries, he was pleased by Canada's commitment to debt relief in 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil%C3%A9mon_Yang'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't it seem odd that the head of state of canada has it's foreign territories ostracized by a government that's against britain, but invests in it's success while itself goes into debt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''just making up for something or another' or 'where's france's 15 billion dollar 250 year old debt to haiti during their earthquake media?''
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was 15'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think about the big IRS fraud that's now coming out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal aliens being assigned IRS numbers to submit fraudulent rebates, then IRS are attaching those to existing social security numbers for other people, then going after those people and seizing property'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if they know they're full of shit, they shouldn't claim paper is more real than reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like china there, looking at a globe it looked like about the size of eastern canada to ontario border, so mentally i figure it's alot smaller than canada, but in the almanac it says it's just about the same size, ok so i was wrong - they still have 50x as many people though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i only notice that because there's so much space available in canada, but used by people like this brazillian to add to stalin's grain piles, justifying why most canadians can't afford their own home and the cost of purchasing what the land produces keeps on going up while job availability goes down and minerals are monopolized by foreign governments instead of by the people who live in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just assume stalin's grain piles still exist with the population control in the world summits and stuff, could be wrong though - it doesn't seem right to me that people who live in a land can't afford to live in it, while the land produces more than excess for others'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Chemosh, you're welcome to your opinions, of course, but you really need to do a little fact checking if you're going to back up those opinions with grand generalizations. You just said that most Canadians can't afford their own home. Does that mean that they can't buy one or can't afford the one they're living in? Reason I ask is because according to Statistics Canada (a gov't site), more than two of every three households are resident-owned.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a bit short compared to all the wage-slaves in canada, the amount living on social assistance cause there's no way to get into the job market, the amount renting - there's probably 3-8 of these for every one who has a home of their own'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so USA is going to Iran because Iran is launching oil trading in non-US currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '3-8 non-owners in Canada for every home owner? Jeez, Chemosh. I'm never asking you to do any research for me, that's for sure. Here you go... http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-402-x/2011000/chap/fam/fam-eng.htm'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stats canada was recently found out to be rigging statistics and unreliable, by an internal investigation'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really? Excellent. Documentation, please. Sorry, but you're the guy who said that the US is 8 times the size of China.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Iran suspected of WMD (Weapons of Mercantile Denominations)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BRICS have set up trading worth $170bn without the dollar'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one, i read about stats canada making things up in another though: "At the end, they just said, 'We really don't care. As long as you can find out if there [are] three people that live in that house, put down Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse and Donald Duck on it. We don't care about a name," Newton said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2007/02/15/censusdata.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Statistics Canada is responding to Newton's allegations by launching an investigation into the data. Anil Arora, director general of the census program branch at Statistics Canada, told CBC Radio on Thursday this was the first time he heard of anyone fabricating data.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, fair enough.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'family members are not home-owners when residing in a home-owners fmily home'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's how real your wealthy canadian stuff is, sort of like they cleared all of the homeless and poverty people out of b.c's olympic condom neighbourhoods before the games'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the poor homeless riff-raff 'd spoil the pleasant scenery of the Olympic games -- the tourists are there to see the games, not be bothered by homeless beggars seeking handouts'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, giving the illusion of wealth is important too though, gets people saying, wow i wish there was no homeless people at home like there is here, they must be doing something right'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stats canada says all of this mineral money and stuff makes them live wealthy and productive lives'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homeless where the tourists come from are not so behaved as the Canadian homeless'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and racism, these foreign companies are pampering native american canadians, who's minister says benefit the native american's, i mean canadians' in his little misquote'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homeless where the tourists come from are likely thieves pretending to be beggars etcetera'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they give free education to indians, with tax payer money, and corporate handouts, and hire indians first - white canadians aren't equally hired'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that used to be seen as a crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the white canadians did thieve and steal the canadian lands from the original Amerindians -- and Chemosh begrudges the handouts to the descendants of the original Amerindians - typical white foreigner coming to Canada and complaining about the amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had it bad by some of the british and french and spanish, but 'white man' is the unilateral racism that they rejoice in, like latin americans there calling for the death of all white people in las angeles (teachers)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the government pampers to it, and the corporations make use of the stereotypes to gain access to their government protected land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'latin americans are also descendants of the invaders that came and killed the original inhabitants'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the indians were conquered by china , do you think by this time they would have been a non-tibet denied education and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's different kinds of devils to consider'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'corporations fueling racism and non-democracy in a multicultural nation isn't very good'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not gonna hire you cause you're black!  sounds worse than cause a indian came first'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the whites letting in colored foreigners into the Americas is to complete the land thievery and genocide against the original amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or i was waiting for the proper indian'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indians have their doctorates and stuff paid for by the tax-payer, who they're often not, while the tax payer has to take out a loan that they might never pay off'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nota ll that though, some of their programs they fund themselves, so that's alright, i don't like hearing those 'benefit indians, i mean canadians' quotes coming from government officials though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British let the excess population from India invade Fiji -- the original Fijians are (complaining that they are) being overwhelmed and minoritied into extinction by the overbreeders from India'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and racist promises on commercials, promising to give preferential treatment to indians and not all people in a province'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Amerindians merit preferential treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, Amerindians suffer from leader corruption and incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans evolved from animals -- (and some humans may yet be only partially evolved) '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get rid of stalin and his psychological profile from europe and maybe the white invaders will move back there, since alot of them came after 1850'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the "white invaders" (of the Americas) were from western europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi-hunters caught another criminal.. ok so they're hunting down warcriminals, unlike the stasi who receive pension and retired into the government administration of germany, or the gulag who aren't even mentioned in modern history - stolen babies in argentina and spain, stasi adoptions not relevant'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people sure like to think that all the horrendous people of modern history got punished for their crimes though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not got rewarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Chemosh is criticising the russian jews coming to the Americas (with that Chemosh talk of the Stalin psychological profile)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media can imply some of them have a connection to the KGB as i pointed out before, why do these here things seem to indicate some kind of problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not racist against jews, or russians, only the kind of people who genocided 30 million or so in 1929-1939 i criticize'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since nobody else does, or not many'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to understand why, is there no gulag hunters or investigation into stasi orphans?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'first memorial for holodomor appeared in edmonton in 1982 or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some amazing pest-control'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if god the utterly indifferent views the planet earth as a bunch of human animals competing amongst themselves, maybe the "horrendous" atrocities are merely a footnote in history.  -- maybe god the utterly indifferent is not even bothered viewing the planet earth until the humans become a pest -- then the Apocalypse'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, but nazi's crimes are worthy of mention because god's chosen people were affected, that's understandable if your god doesn't view all humans as equally worthless and not worthy of rememberance'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's just maybe upwards of 30 million ukrainian's in america and canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and other victims of stalin's various gulag adventures'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really meaningful for them to have a similar suffrage as the jews?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'educated in modern history along with the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if humans choose to be inhumane (or ignoramuses that babble incoherently without fact-checking), is god able to do anything other than be utterly indifferent'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'babblebabble'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do the southern poverty law center and certain leftist media outlets demonise the Tenth Ammendment Centre?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you demonize leftists? :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it weren't for "leftists" we would still be chopping wood with flint axes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI claim the constitution stands in the way of protecting America against domestic terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly been taking lesson from the Stasi'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame that fbi, operating with the southern poverty law center, essentially run most violent right wing groups'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem, reaction, solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder if they found any tetrodotoxin on them recent cannibals, or in the numerous cases of people being put in mortuary's not actually dead - supposedly some real stuff in the serpent and the rainbow'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It is not always fatal'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but at near-lethal doses, it can leave a person in a state of near-death for several days, while the person remains conscious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'For this reason, TTX has been alleged an ingredient in Haitian Vodou and the closest approximation of zombieism, an idea popularized by Harvard-trained ethnobotanist Wade Davis in a 1983 paper, and in his 1985 book, The Serpent and the Rainbow. This idea was dismissed by the scientific community in the 1980s, as the descriptions of voodoo zombies do not match the symptoms displayed by victims of tetrodotoxin poisoning, and the alleged incidents of zombies created in this manner could not be substantiated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Paul Ryan as VP candidate. Go.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'never heard of him before yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Modi.
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but i dont follow politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'I like Paul Krugman's comment on him. "All he does is make scary noises about the deficit, with mood music, with organ music in the background about how ominous it is, and then propose a plan that would in fact increase the deficit."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Paul Ryan was married to Jeri Ryan before, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So he was fucking a borg'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'that's all i have to say'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'That was Jack Ryan, from Illinois.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'This is Paul Ryan, from Wisconsin.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'nooooooooo'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'fail'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'If he'd at least got a shot of Jeri Ryan I'd have some respect for him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'hahaha right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Samuel L Jackson, prez 2020'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'I always though her borg name should have been 'two of the biggest' instead of 'seven of nine''
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'biggest what?  Her boobs weren't that big.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'eyebrows. Those things were massive.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And so once again Debate chooses to focus on some poser's breasts instead of politics. ;)'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's only proper that we avoid politics until november.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'True, only the die hards care before the convention, and even the dabblers don't care until October.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'convetion(s).'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And spelling, and whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm not sure what it'll do, to be honest'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Depends on Congress, like always.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think it gives the Dems some ammo to use - "they are going to take away your social security/etc!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yeah of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But voters never understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'I think it's funny that Mitt Romney is putting on chapstick and getting ready to go down on Grover Norquist though. Or at least it looks that way, after he picks the guy when Norquist wrote an op/ed saying he should.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Did you see that his CP staff was saying that he made the pick two weeks ago?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Oh yeah. It'll be Carville on the Sunday shows saying, "What a surprise. Romney picks a guy who wants to cut taxes for the rich and kill Medicare."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think it was to try to make it seem like he wasn't under pressure'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus smirks.
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's going away anyways.  Funds are guaranteed through 2020, and then by 2033 there will be nothing left in the coffers (all that comes in goes right back out).'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Except every year when they audit it the dates change.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'It's always: "(GAO|CBO|Think Tank|HHS) releases a study saying Medicare will be insolvent by 2029."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Then the next year... "...will be insolvent by 2030."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Then around the time mid-terms heat up, "...insolvent by 2015."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And then it's back to 2032.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard on the radio they're comparing California to Greece.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda spot on, really.  Lots of coastline to enjoy, the people are weird, and they don't have enough money to pay their bills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''aleph 1, smashing the stack for fun and profit' and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18453996 Aum Shinrikyo reinvented itself as the Aleph group, which continues to operate as a spiritual group.  any relation?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not interested in missing fingers or anything, just noticed that a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I usually use aleph null :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US Banks told to make plans for collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'For real'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im stocking up on gold and nickels'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stock up on guns and ammo'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the petrodollar is about to come to an end'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you see US homing in on Iran'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stock up on resources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your federal government will be going for total lock-down and resource confiscation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dude, they already have'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's martial law/FEMA time about now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We've had it for a while now, just not as obvious to some.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Officially'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be foolish to arm up and sit at home'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'as in: crash the dollar, declare state of panic, activate executive orders, bam, official martial law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it goes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you and I both know the disaster was by design'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ironically, your side is likely better informed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. propaganda keeps the sheep asleep here'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK media is no different'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is where they're making the fuss though, cos you're the most powerful and least controlled of the western powers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is the only superpower that needs taking down'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU has already fallen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The formerly most powerful. They've got the most weapon but hold a lot less clout.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're the financial home of the NWO, The Dragon'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you spent more time studying, you might be better able to tell the difference between truth and propaganda...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They keep us in Matrix-like sleep and use us to turn the machinery'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm fully aware of propoganda, Sonshi, it's why I can't watch mainstream media without feeling sick'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, don't know how old you are, but look at what is happening to the current generation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the worst cases are those where people believe the truth is propaganda, and vice versa...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We've become soft in the West'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China/Russia doing trades with Iran and others in currencies other than petrodollar is a fact, not a myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we've become soft in the west, I like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do not underestimate the effect of the petrodollar on the US economy - it's what props the currency up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the world stops using the dollar for resource trade, the dollar will fall'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean it will fall further :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The IMF already plans that shit out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why there's been such a run on gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the EU is/was never a superpower. It's a farming union.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it hasn't fallen even remotely as far as it would have'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'It's a combination of that and the fact that either not enough was done, they willfully ignored information, or were involved directly that caused us to finally end up here. The CIA I believe it was actually wrote a little thing that basically detailed something like this, but with a communist enemy, to cause just such a military 'overthrow' that turned us into a permenantly military derived government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the dollar were tied up to the gold standard like it used to be, there wouldn't be a run. But the powers that be didn't want it tied up because then it could not be manipulated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is why the USA has been in a permanent state of emergency since 1940s'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'And honestly most metals have no place in a 'paper' economy, especially when you start putt..exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite as simple as that, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not only that, being tied up to gold meant that only the treasury could print currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The CIA stopped being an intelligence operatus not long after Truman created it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'most metals though change value so fast as well that it's hard.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's now more like the brownshirts'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Might be better to study a bit before resorting to conspiracy theories...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard wouldn't have solved any problems... the problem is spending borrowed money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'You're using the standard meaning for conspiracy theory. Not all theories are wrong, they simple don't have all the facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done for showing your true colours and lack of understanding, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It would have, because then a banking cartel couldn't exist fiat paper backed by nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, quite that simple. With the dollar tied to gold, the president would be in control of the currency. With the dollar tied to the price of toilet paper the federal reserve is in control.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, having your own currency is better than ceding control to another country or countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Tuskigi experiment, the blackwoods experiment?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there isn't enough gold to make a real gold standard'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..and the Fed is a banking cartel owned by the Illuminati'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it would just be a fiat gold standard'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's beside the point, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well not quite just the illuminati, but it's primarily them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earth being round is a conspiracy theory, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They were started as a private 'bank' outside the government, that's allowed to do as it wants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a fiat is better than nothing. Right now, the only thing propping the dollar is the users' unwillingness to switch to other currencies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Warburg started the Fed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there is the truth and there is stuff which is not true. One should try to learn the difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anaristos is right, people have fled to the dollar, artificially propping it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly We need to find a flat conversion rate, but allow each country to have their own currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you're claiming isn't truth, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides being tied of to gold didn't mean that gold would be delivered in exchange. If you read a treasury note it would say that it was redeemable in silver.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard btw, was what caused the banking crisis of the early 90s'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They may not use the name illuminati, or things like that, there's the bilderberg I think it's called?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not in the US, Nixon floated the dollar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Warburg was owned by the Rothschilds'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stuff about the dollar being propped up by the resource trade (matters little), etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the old bloodlines'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the 90s the dollar was made out of toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's many names for the groups that do this, but there ARE people out there who use their wealth only to accumulate wealth and keep it within.. as dosset said..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you for real?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'everyone floated their currencies, that's what solved the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know what OPEC is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"The 1%"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were forced to float it because they previously used the dollar as marker.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Basically a oil standard used to do the same thing as the 1% does now in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'resourcces will eventually run out - may have already been projected to do so ? will there be a fight over what is left ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, this is the finest hour'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Not all resources run out, we just don't use the ones that don't run out as fast/easily to prop up our failing economies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also stuff about governments not wanting the gold standard because it couldn't be manipulated...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard would be more damaging to the economy than everything the EU/US/Asia has done bad the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They suppressed knowledge of zero-point energy and simple osteopathic cures, because it would crash the corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think a fiat currency or a return to the gold channel will help'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it would basically cut the economy down to a fraction of the current size, and make it impossible to grow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Capitalism" here is about furnishing worthless goods, not supply meeting demand'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The biggest reason that a set metal standard is hard to control is how often are metals used in techonology?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Seriously, look at it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before when the dollar was tied up, it was cheap for the US to buy in Europe, now it is the other way around. The US depends on Europeans spending money in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'moral standards are more then tech'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone needs to be able to do what they do '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'How often does metal that we use as a 'standard' get used in things we use every day?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't see why you think that printing money at will with no backing is better than issued backed currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'time for a partasian force ? collapse of a national army and universal ecomomy? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'So eventually its uses are more viable to drive an economy .. didn't say that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'the only value of anything is what someone put on it otherwise it's just a thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'issue-backed and government printed are both flawed systems'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'floating currencies and fiat money solves the problems of different economies growing at different rates, no gold or silver backed currency can handle that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes Zanbone, and they create worthless shit and convince us we need it with media'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And it works'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how it sustains itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Exactly, planned obsolecence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but backed currency has a more objective value that money that is cracked out when the government needs to pay bills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, anytime you back a currency with something, it leaves your currency at the mercy of those who produce that something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it makes you feel better, think of fiat money as a contract for an amount of work'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we have really is all currencies aggressively devaluing themselves against each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They use pop culture to tell you need money, bitches, and bling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They've done that since the second world war, to keep our economy going in a post-war era.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So you buy into the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'consumer economy relies on employment - ....'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We shouldn't NEED all this crap though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'just give us land and seeds and get out of the way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'screen... scrolling... so... fast...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current system relies on neverending growth'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A currency grow stronger by being backed by a sound economy, that's the backing of currencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I honestly don't see why we need to be as seeking the 'NEW', I'm perfectly fine with upgrading old.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why they choke the economy Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So it can't grow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't do R&D with an agrarian society - let alone defend it '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, your treasury should be printing the money, not private banking cartles'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want free, clearing markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'growth is grate we need to into space get back to the space travel era'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Tiger, I'll buy that. But since the Reagan administration the dollar  has been  back by the US debt, not by it's economy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, so the solution is to make your economy sound.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want a perpetual state of turmoil, which can control the people and make them government reliant'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'if we kept to a much longer 'update'/replace schedule we might be able to find something to sustain us longer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The first thing should be sustaining our growing energy needs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I just think they are stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, anaristos, that's the essence of your currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no debt Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is no money to debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one major advantage of fiat currency is that you can control the level of inflation. This is desirable for various reasons - a small amount of inflation helps to lubricate the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Once we get energy needs out of the way, the rest of the society can be properly utilized.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Salraes, Tesla discovered that 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The oil corporations wouldn't have that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I wish to hell more people would take a scientific approach to keeping society going.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to put it another way - inflation is a feature, not a bug'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the US, and to a lesser extent, the western world, are deliberately starving people of energy to force the price up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, Sonshi, in a X backed economy, inflation is controlled by how much X you find'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I know Dosset. I'm a huge tesla fan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do know that, you do know that Obama shut down a bunch of non-GE coal plants'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is the essence of the current dollar, yes. But that means that it is essentially worthless. It has no exchange value. Only the willingness of the creditors keeps the US economy afloat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forces Texas to import electric from Mexico'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'wait it's not us in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'it's a feature that needs to be utilized in a different way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'it's the small amount of people that are runing things'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'All things have usefullness, in certain doses, but we haven't adjusted to allowing a larger group survival.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and I am sure it's from England those brits always trying to take over the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dont' blame us, we're skint and as under the thumb as you guys'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not "Brits"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no real countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The small group on top could care less about the people on top.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: '^_^'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'others besides those on top'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had 3 generations of welfare dependance, we're good little sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'Iyes those people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an organic ecomony is great but the perks  n loopholes exploited have squed the system to the point of breaking imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we need to have more debate channels! There are too many threads running in parallel!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by backing the dollar with the US debt, the US guaranteed that there would be no repayment because if the creditors demand payment the US will collapse and the will get nothing. So they have to live with a debtor that can't pay and can't be foreclosed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US could go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Hey, clinton had us in the black. It was Bush jr who put us so deep in red.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the standard growth modle is fllawed imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, it  could go bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The debtor that can't pay = us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will go bankrupt, at some point'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will probably be a chain'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'no one owns anything in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Obama has TRIED to help, but is getting strangled on every end.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll either go bankrupt, or you'll have hyperinflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'And we're getting to own less and less as time goes on, unless you're rich.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, the only reason the use hasn't gone bankrupt is because the creditors have to pretend that the US currency is worth something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Good cop, bad cop - they're the same team'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think hyperinflation caused by a collapse is likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'war is the answer to bankrupcy in the past ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly the people who need to pay more taxes are the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden was in as deep shit as the US 20 years ago, but we turned it around, and are now one of the strongest economies of the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think US is gunning for Iran, Tzad? It's got nothing to do with a threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Let them give up more of their useless dollars, instead of causing war to make us ignore the real problems.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We had no reason to go for Iran, and went for Iraq for the wrong reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try telling American and western leaders that, Salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also applies to korea, vietnam etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Control the resources, control the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The US already took all the oil, all the cocaine, all the other drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - institute massive public works or go  to war - is the 101 of stimulation '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But there's so many other ways to control people WITHOUT wasting the resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you have patriots shouting "CONSTITUTION" in extremely loud voices, because it was put together for this'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'controll is useless'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why the nwo-supporting liberals are trying to ignore it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'controll is what causes the issues'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'selling the US dept in the  capital markets in the '80s is what caused hyperinflation. Nominal interest rates are still hanging around the ceiling. The so-called low  interest rates that we see are only geared to the rich. Banks go to the discount window and borrow from the Fed dirt-cheap, then they use that money to charge credit-card holders from 14 to 22%'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'What about giving them endless entertainment, make them forget what is going on outside their little world of distraction?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, like Facebook and Sky TV?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'from Roman's, German's, Egyptian's, English, etc..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'add to that predatory lending, bundled shit derivatives and bam'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Socialism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'More then that tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as they still have the ability to collect taxes, the dollar does have a backing - but if you want to cut inflation in a really severe situation (perhaps at the expense of the economy), you might have to tax a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I'm talking like.. you know how the MIAA and RIAA is trying to strangle down on the pirates and that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im watching you guys while listening to alex jones.....<_<'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with Socialism :) For one, it has never been implemented.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Why not, instead, allow for cheap LEGAL access to those things people are pirating?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alex Jones is a Jesuit disinformation agent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'AJ nice'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He gives a little truth, a lot of lies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah he's not, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Um.. medicare? Medicaid? Social Security?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Fire/police stations?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Roads?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Parks?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Schools?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's like any other patriot, trying to put out a message while trying to earn a buck off it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'withdraw enough of the monetary base, and inflation will be halted. That's one of the features of a fiat money system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cheap legal access? Isn't that spelled netflix in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's part of Project Mockingbird run by the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also dyslexic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Social Security is not socialism, the receivers paid for it, the problem with the  system is that it was a a pyramid scheme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's an agent provacteur trying to rile the people up to rebel, so they can institute martial law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But it's not 'wide' enough rnarr'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's not ENOUGH access.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know that isn't true, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'there's only so much on netflix/hulu plus, they need more contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(assuming that the government is still in control)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some broadcasters are still fighting offering those contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ok, add spotify or rdio too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I'm not talking music, just talking video for now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'state control of industries produces little competition = therefore little ecomomising -'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I can't get bravo related content, beyond a few episodes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Chem trails'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree that better services are needed. But it's getting better, compared to a couple years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'and after so long, some shows are shorttened/removed from those services, because of lack of contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poloroids: a painful condition got from sitting on icebergs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well they lost a few contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'services are social nightmare paid by the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precipitate: an art gallery on the edge of a cliff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solder: a military man with an eye missing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'What middle class?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capable: two things you need to be a matador'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buffalo: to greet someone in the nude'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic debilitationg issues such as environmental controls and labour issues are a comparative advantage to less developed /less regulated  countries like china/mexico - liberalism  - although socialy responsable are dragging the developed countries down imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, those economies can't afford to save the environment, they have a "damn if you do and damn if you don't" situation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate the environment argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an excuse'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The problem isn't one of just enviroment, it's EVERYTING.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, it's linked'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Everything we do is geared towards unless consumerism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'As was said before'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US doesn't have that problem. The only way the US can justify lifting environmental controls is by saying that the filthy rich that has become so by raping the environment needs to get richer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't solve an environmental problem by banning people having food collectives, or from drinking raw milk, or from having gardens'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or from being self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'If we could slowly adjust to a less 'buy buy buy' economy, and at the same time use more enviromentally focused building methods..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, let's ease controls on Exxon, let them fuck Alaska again.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't fix the environment by closing down all your clean-coal plants in order to import dirty-coal electric from another country'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'the problem though with those is not enough is done to keep the contamenaints from the food.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the hell is clean coal, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you ever been around a area where they burn coal?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean coal is coal plant where the only emissions are co2 and water vapour, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Raw milk and large food collectives/organic growing has a larger cost to get it where it's going, unless it's done very locally.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and what about the soot?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'removed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well nearly none of the coal plants I've seen have that tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you haven't seen one'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Most US plants DON'T utilize that, they just say they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'they use very inefficient methods.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the regulatory agencies ensure that no clean energy can occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'so not all of the soot is removed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean coal isn't massively efficient, still cleaner than off-shore wind farms'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's literally 1984; the EPA makes sure no clean energy can occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and more useful'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'When the EPA is ran/controlled by the same people who run the energy producing devices, you're going to have a conflict of interest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so your plan is to keep burning fossil fuels because there is no future in other energy sources that don't require burning anything. I mean, if humanity has reached the end of energy sourcing with the discovery of fossil fuels, we might as well turn in the uniform now because the game is over.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a common problem with run-away centralised governments'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the idea - pose as though they're separate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not the plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anaristos, we discovered the energy source 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was buried'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'figuratively'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you keep saying "why don't we burn it this way or that way" it means that you rather burn fuel than find another source of energy. And since fossil fuel is a finite resource, the human race might as well hang it up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal and gas are renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, please, give me a break.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'debate What we need is an acceptance that there's no actual 'political' parties, just differences of opinions, and there needs to be more people who use reasoning and science instead of religious dogma to back up their interests, with a lean towards more properly 'liberal' enviromental and science policies, with a fiscal responsability towards military spending and our finite resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wood/biomass are the most renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well they're too slow for an economy growing at the rate ours continues to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you just made my point. You are satisfied with burning fossil fuels until the sun goes  nova.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but certainly you need your coal/gas/nuclear IN COUNTRY to act as your backbone, then use hydro as your core renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The sun/wind need to be the primary sources, with the biomass used as small as possible.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave solar and wind to be microsources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I mean, the sun is such a small source of energy that why should we bother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Global warming is a sham'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'we don't have enough MICROresources prepared to help support the stuff right here, until we can build the backbone to support the sun/wind'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for solar to solve the energy problem, you'd need 250 square meters new solar every second from now until 2020'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's a few gigawatts of energy being dumped on the planet every day, a pittance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's not enough stuff to CATCH that though Ana.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We use so much space that very little except in places most people ignore gets utilized for energy production.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be better using gravity, use tidal/hydro power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'AND we're finding more efficient ways to capture that region.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are the best renewable sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also the most reliable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Not quite.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you'd just tax emissions, the private sector will go find the cheapest way to reduce emissions. It's pretty good at that sort of thing...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We need to use ALL of them, in different variations depending on the area.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must not tax emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true, because those who sell fossil fuels are making sure that the development of solar energy doesn't flourish. If humanity can't figure out how to harness such an immense source of energy then they deserve what they get.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'if the place lacks water, use more solar, or wind, if it lacks space, but has a lot of water, utilize microdams.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some of the dam usage though isn't properly regulated either, I KNOW, I live in an area that's coming back from that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, good night :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We've passed the point of no return'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'For us maybe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The cake has already spilled out of the mold'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you tax the stuff you want to reduce, people will tend to find the most effective solutions for their circumstances...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why they are trying to kill us all off and restart - with everyone microchipped, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just gas people instead, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just kill the people you don't like, for doing behaviour you don't agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, the regulatory agencies ARE the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I wondered when that'd happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We hit the 'hitler' mark'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inevitable, salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Surprised it took THIS long though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly we shouldn't kill those we disagree with, we should try and utilize a solution that both parties agree works.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get the Hitler moment any time someone suggests using punative measures to prevent people from doing certain things that they don't aree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gassing people is bad... By my moral compass anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The only 'people' who need taxed are corporations and the rich, compared to how much the poor/middle class are taxed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're ready for that - they got the coffins already made and buried, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why resort to violence when there are civilised ways to solve things?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Who says they're buried DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I've actually seen some 'alex jones' style shit that they've got some prepared in storage, collapsable ones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is violence any different to tyranny, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'FEMA getting lazy...or arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tyranny is bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Arrogant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why are you advocating it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why resort to tyranny when there are great ways to solve problems without it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want to solve problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is a negative-sum game'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I win, you lose'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't suggesting a solution to a problem which doesn't involve tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We're already AT tyranny, what we need to do is try and subvert some of the points that the yoke of tyranny rubs us raw.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'By my moral sense, you only punish people for violations for other people's rights, in proportion to the crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your "taxation" approach to promoting green technology is why people old people die every year in the Uk because of the cold because electric and fuel has rocketed in price'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What if you can't punish them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But the whole 'raw milk/whole foods' isn't the right way to go after them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why are you advocating taxation on any arbitrary behaviour that doesn't fulfil your personal moral belief?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rob someone, throw him in jail... Spray bullets at babies and eat their corpses... maybe a hanging is in order, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxation is great for discouraging behaviour that damages others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'IF the people who need taxing are willing to discourage the behaviour that got them there in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you do to someone who poisons you from birth, and continues to poison you so you live just long enough to power their imperial machine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How do you punish that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if such behaviour will kill billions, taxation is not even close to crossing the line'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your false premise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, boohoo, they want to slap me on the wrist just because I'm plotting genocide! Tyranny!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The problem is both sides agree that the people who need to change are unwilling to change.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, if individual countries were instructed to become energy self-sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But CAN'T agree on what is the proper way to make them change without them even realizing it..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than having these crackpot carbon tax schemes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I never said carbon tax.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'She might have but I didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'calling the most reasonable scheme a crackpot scheme is a rather odd use of the word...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I believe in actually taxing the people who have too much money, and corporations who make so much profits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a reasonable scheme'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Take away some of their paper money and give it to something that might actually use it :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Problem is the "corporations" are the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some pre-socialistic actions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a scheme based on false science, where the money comes from poor people to be paid to rich people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'A part of the government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'just fyi.. there is no such thing as corporate tax. Every corporation worth the term 'powerfull' will push any tax on it's customers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a well regulated free market does wonders, you know. Can be pretty efficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'None of it is well regulated in any way though, the market, the tax system, any of it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No free markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'for that very reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guys against taxation are also the same guys trying to break the regulations that would support it though...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm personally not against fair and transparent taxation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing emissions the same amount per unit can be pretty straightforward and transparent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it cannot'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just levy a fixed per unit cost'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unit of what'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who sets the rate? who collects it, where does the money go to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'emissions of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt, the govt, and the govt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose government?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of whatever you want to control'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the government of the country trying to control it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government has no incentive to regulate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government does not exist for the people - it exists to control the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did globalisation never happen to you, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your government taxes your energy production, so your energy companies import it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax avoided'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same works with any taxation, that's why off-shore tax havens exist.... you might have heard of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if they import goods from other countries that don't tax it, you can always tax those too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'If the non-corp arm of the government ever thinks of it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're suggesting is protectionist practices'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They would never put something like that in place, it'd chaff their corporate masters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currently illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, like in countries that tax alcohol and such, you tax producers, and you tax the stuff coming in at the same rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the corps are well ahead of you, and always will be'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an approach that works'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, you'd have to guess at the emission rate of foreign industries...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are better approaches'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a government that's effective enough to actually manage to pass co2 taxation past all the corporations against it will probably be effective enough to police it at least decently'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a ridiculous statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it isn't considered a protectionist measure if that good is taxed at the same rate for internal producers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, governments and corporations aren't separate entities'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far better policy would be to insist that all energy consumption in country is produced in country'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you tax joe x/unit or y% for his stuff coming from a factory in that country, and you levy the same x/unit or y% for ahmad from kylyrgrzygrstan, it's fine'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'It's not CONSIDERED fine, currently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'happens all the time with alcohol, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Know why Prohibition happened?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and producing all energy in-country is kind of inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most duties and prohibitions occur because governments lose control of monopolies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly is the case with drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well the biggest tax saving issue would be dropped if decrimilization was taking place. Therapy instead of arrests and prison.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Quick-and-easy fix to appease the masses'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there is any argument over that, salraes, outside of government itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people want to drug themselves... why not? Just tax it high enough to cover the cost to society...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think the biggest issues aren't about specifics, atm, it's about the purpose, role, and scope of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would probably work out to the same situation though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big Pharm drugs you, and your tax dollars pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your solution is the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the purpose of govt is to do the stuff for the people that the people would like to have done, but can't do (effectively) individually'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think governments the world over have strayed a very long way from that brief, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, the government should fear the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Doesn't work like that now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most, sure...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people need to exercise some wisdom and intelligence to improve it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't bred for wisdom or intelligence these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They drug us and poison us so we're content with Kim Kardashian, sports, and game shows'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See how it works yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love the Kardhasians, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chloe is a man'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's real, that's why it's called Reality TV, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the number of people who have swallowed the lines of various corporations, believing anything contrary to that to be the propaganda of the corporations whose propaganda they have just swallowed... eh well.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, didn't Mr Bush say "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought that rather telling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I believe he did. Jr that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'He was the biggest corporate puppet ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on my way home from work on Friday i was listening to the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had an interview with our foreign mininster who after giving $8m of aid to the Syrian rebels said "It's important that we're not taking sides"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Front page of NYTimes or something a while back: CIA arming Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the very very next interview was with someone within the defence department, saying "This aid is important to let the rebels know we are on their side"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Arm the little guy, overthrow the regime, install "democracy", import capitalism = country taken over'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm especially miffed by the "global warming is corporate propaganda" crowd. Well, I guess most of them will be the first to suffer, regrettably, however fittingly...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming IS corporate propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, prove that global corporations haven't made huge amounts of money off the back of global warming scare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove that global warming scare hasn't resulted in higher taxation and higher fuel prices for the general public'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that higher prices are the result of increased demand rather than decreased demand, right...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'global warming scare?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher electric prices in the UK and US are a direct result of price manipulation due to green taxation and interference in the power industry'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'could as well be lesser supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with demand'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you one of those people that says global warming isn't occuring?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, huan'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for every country that hikes fuel prices, it drops for those who don't. At least until opec steps in. And they'd certainly prefer fewer taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, higher prices also come from curtailed supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'climate change has been happening for millions of years, I find it curious that NOW we think we could stop it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but if you're producing less because of taxes, you aren't making more'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not producing less, they're providing less'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To make you think there is a scarcity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the more money that goes to the govt from this sort of tax, the less other stuff needs to be taxed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you think the gummint is doing with this money?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Providing public goods and services?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the money they get is, roughly, amount they sell x price they sell at. They can stockpile forever for all I care...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is it that gummint spending exceeds that of taxes collected?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the taxes collected can go to reducing other taxes, providing more stuff, or reducing the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all generally good things...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/08/120803-global-warming-hansen-nasa-heat-waves-science/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What stuff is it they are furnishing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dude, I have a degree in econ - I get the theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why is our education horrible?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in reality, some combination of that has to happen...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Infrastructure falling apart?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Social Security not even lasting through its first iteration?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too many/much tax cuts for the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government can just MAKE money, they don't have to tax'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The tax is just a motion to make you think things work theoretically'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have a "degree in econ" you should know what "making money" does'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the one making it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A private banking cartel'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty much also a tax, just falls on different people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Federal Reserve is not "the government"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a company - like McDonald's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if they were doing their job right it wouldn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much for the dual mandate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not their job to "do right"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the dual mandate is their job, and that's what I mean by doing right'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Fed is a control tool - any "mandate" is simply a cover for its true role'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no! Inflation might be slightly less far below our target. Even though unemployment is high, let's make sure inflation doesn't get anywhere near our target!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's all white noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not here to do this and that to the money supply, or to inflation, or to anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the dual mandate IS their true role... the crap they do is humans being crappy humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Rothschilds set up the Federal Reserve - "dual mandate" be damned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'redryn> http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14041   ... linking wildfires with atmospheric warming in the order of hudredths of C is really weak. And even if it was true, it doesn't say that HUMANS CAUSED IT, and doesn't say that even if we caused it that it wouldn't be cheaper to adapt, instead of trying to repair it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everything has a plausible cover'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sun is the core driver of our climate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change is real, it just has little to do with co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now POLLUTION'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Huan is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an important thing, largely ignored by governments/UN'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and limited resources, also important'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the severity of the change we're triggering is as bad or worse than many mass extinctions in the world's history... adapting may not be a question of how expensive...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not triggering a change, 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we already know about the absorption of low energy radiation by co2... if you argue that it has little to do with co2, you're better off arguing with physics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the real clincher, how does giving money to Al Gore help?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a physics major, do you really want to get into that argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the first thing you should do is go look at some graphs of co2 levels in the atmosphere over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, then I'm pretty surprised you haven't already done a calculation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then have a look at global temperature over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you claim to be a physics major, yet you want to look at graphs instead of estimating the warming effect of co2 directly.?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the recent change is a lot more rapid than changes over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's practically background noise in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the co2 certainly is, and if you've bothered to do the calculations, which you can if you're a physics major as you claim... you can estimate the immediate effects over equilibrium'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what equalibrium?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your whole argument revolves around some kind of arbitrary zero-mark'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'you can'd to calculation with co2 only. Atmosphere is very complex system, and co2 is tiny part of it. If it was that easy, there would be no argument about global warming'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you introduce an increase in a certain variable, and model the rate of increase in another variable over what would have been without the original increase'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its a scam sonshi, so they can tax your babies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, even if you use a conservative estimate, you can see that the energy added to the system isn't trivial.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no extra energy in the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'plants like co2 so wont it make a rainforest grow?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'not possible, you will only see step one. You are right that increasing co2 will increase temp, if nothing else changes. You won't see that increasing temp will increase (for example) amount of vater wapour, clouds, and amount of heat reflected back to cosmos. Net effect could even be negative'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would had they not cut them all down, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the expected effect is a lot greater than the noise. We look at those charts because there are positive and negative feedbacks, and other stuff going on, so we want to know just how bad it will likely be...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Add to that the shit they're dumping in the atmosphere with chemtrails'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is a "physics major" claiming that extra co2 doesn't add extra energy to the earth? Am I reading you wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm pretty sure you all agree that global temperatures are increasing right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you can say shit on this chanel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are, but not for the causes they claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, this channel is curse rated'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you seriously arguing that co2 and pollution and what not is not causing the global temperature to increase?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how disinfo works: take an observable fact, but attach the wrong cause to the effect'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'holy fucking shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, redryn, that's exactly what i'm saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'then what is the cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's systemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fairies! In my socks!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sun'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'systemic changes aren't such huge spikes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and afaik there hasn't been any major change in the sun's energy output'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"huge" is relative, and over what interval'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I read that our entire solar system is actualy heating up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You read wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... if you're really a physics major, start with looking up the absorbtion spectra of co2...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I read wrong? So you been to mercury latley?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iss hot over there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if the increase in temperature isn't from human activity/trapping more heat, it must come from somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No hotter than usual - a change in the Sun's output big enough to change temps across the solar system would do more than add 1 or 2 degrees to summer heat'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sun energy radiation is not uniform, redryn'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes i know'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but has there been a sustained increase over the last 50 years which can be calculated to be the cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '50?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i haven't read anything saying that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's not even pre-Industrial Revolution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'for me, that "somewhere else" is sun output, which IS changing a lot lately. But I'm not physics guy, I'm more economist. Wherever it's coming from, trying to combat it with CO2 taxes and giving them to goverments is the worst way to deal with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try 100,000'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there hasn't been a sustained increase over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also another hint... as the sun and the earth have different temperatures, their blackbody radiation spectra are concentrated at different wavelengths. Compare to co2...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a real phenomenon that they invented reasons for to make money off us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This disputes any significant impact via solar cycles: http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/2009RG000282.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And ffs, does anyone really think global warming being a thing is GOOD for business?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that looks like a sustained increase over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's great for business, vakiegh'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you the gummint'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of ways to take people for a ride'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Plausible excuse to rip off the sheep'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great if you're an electricity producer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bitching about pollution has stopped more development than anything since the hippies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'vakieh> the question is not if it's good, but if we can do something about it. Taxes aren't good for business either.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the first step is people to stop pretending nothing's happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody ever said nothing was happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretending we're not contributing to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said that either'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When the finest minds this planet can produce cohesively claim 'carbon output is doing it', anyone who denies said claim without some serious evidence is just a moron'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore is not a fine mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The finest minds have always been proven wrong in the past'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define "finest"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Al Gore is not a scientist...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why are we talking about al gore'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finest minds in Vakieh's argument means "people who agree with me"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Dosset, wtf? The finest minds have always been proven wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stanford PhDs tend to rank pretty highly on my 'finest minds' scale'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Fine mind" is just branding to lend credence to the sale'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm sure there are Stanford PhDs whose opposing work is not in the limelight'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, gravity is wrong! All that I have known is a lie!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if co2 was the issue, then they would be better off doing something about it rather than using it as a stick to tax the public with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All you have to do is stamp "MIT" "Standford" "CDC" "NIH" on something, and people eat that shit up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh goes to hand DosseT a foil hat, but sees he is already well equipped with several, stacked high.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read some abstracts of the trash the NIH puts out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reality is a cruel mistress'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'gravity is easy to prove with experiment. Atmosphere is many times more complex, and impossible to experiment on'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing emissions IS doing something about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'taxing it isn't doing something about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ** For his interference in your cool story, you can take revenge on Redryn.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxing emissions doesn't actually solve a thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how else are you going to get it to stop? Ban it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fine mind be damned, an experiment can be created to say one thing or another'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Case in point: 9/11 Commission'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you tax it, that will increase its costs and make other sources increasingly viable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the abstracts of the trash the gumment propaganda puts out; many samples sizes way too small, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why doesn't it do anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a noble sentiment, Redryn, but in reality it doesn't work that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '9/11 was an inside job'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taxed emmisions is known as an excise tax - it has worked wonders on many things before it, from tobacco to foreign labour'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Proven, repeatable results'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'actually'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you should write a paper on how taxes don't actually disincentivise something'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you'd win a noble prize in economics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because we know how good economists are'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(or get laughed right out the door, but let's not mention that)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem isn't the taxes, it's the lack of subsidies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's a pretty fundamental part of the whole field'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'perhaps they're wrong. publish a paper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I guess Keynes was wrong, eh? Fuck, our whole boom bust system must not exist...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keynes was wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh boy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'subsidies are just negative taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they work the same way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subsidies don't negatively impact the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't tax to scare people away'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'except they get your country in more debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where does the subsidy come from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You subsidize the small guy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The gov is gonna get us with derivatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the problem with subsidies is you have to pick the small guy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people can't innovate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The small guy is small for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people can't innovate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now i've heard it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if someone comes up with some magic way to get energy from sitting at a computer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well just come out and say "you didn't build that"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're not gonna benefit from a subsidy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'until the government actually notices and says 'eh that's pretty cool, we'll subsidise you''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subsidise the small guy, and the small guy will never get big. Especially "great" for industries with economies of scale...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'as opposed to taxing the one way you want to stop, and anything new that develops automatically benefits'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How are any of the big industries economies of scale?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking theoretics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'keynes wasn't entirely wrong, but he counted on responsible govements that would have ballanced account in the long term. Spend in bust, tame the boom. No goverment is doing that. I like austrian business cycle theory more, it explains pretty good how we got where we are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Economies of scale are the reason for panglobal corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking theoretics Vakieh. Unplug from the matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, the obvious thing to do with something that's bad, like emissions, is to just slap a tax on it and let the market figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are certain pre-selected "winners" - the regulators choke out anyone that interferes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could spend a bunch of money putting solar panels for free on every single building'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The winners are fronts for the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Keynes wasn't wrong, he simply described the system that exists on its own - whether the government acts correctly on it is its own problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and how will you know solar power is the best new source of energy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe it should be geothermal?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but you spent all your money on solar now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, redryn, but it's an example'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Germans have done pretty good with wind, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How do you pick the best example?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, and it also points out the huge flaw with subsidies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'except his name is used to justify policies he would never agree with, and didn't imply those in his work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you /have/ to pick who you want to subsidise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and do you really trust your government to pick a winner'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or do you want to let the general market figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government picks the winner'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the monopolies or the government, that's the choice you're offering'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same person'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It puts on its "Private Sector" shirt, and pretends to police with its "agencies"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'monopolies of some alternate energy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'fine with me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that solves the problem of emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'jack up the tax until the problem is solved!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because energy production inherantly produces co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'uh no'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sonshi must love being dominated'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wind...ONOES TURBINE STOP SHOOTING OUT ALL THAT CARBON!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind turbines don't make a co2 "profit" for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with these dumbass electric cars'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they 'generate' co2 because the energy used to create them is from co2 generating sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'when you replace all those sources with non-co2 producing stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they will not generate co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'different systems have different costs in emissions. Taxing emissions will drive production towards lower emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no free markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't expect photovoltaic to suddenly become popular because of a prohibitively high tax'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nothing happens overnight'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are thinking in the realm of theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it boils down to is: taxing emissions just enables energy companies to make more money off joe public'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mitt Romney is all about carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'PV companies would get choked out by regulatory agencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if tax money is going towards the taxed companies, you're doing something wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Purely competitive markets and pure monopolies are theoretical maximums only, as any eco 101 student could tell you'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if governments wanted green energy, they could build it tomrorrow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no they couldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes they could'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you may be missing the idea of a tax... see, a tax is something that a government collects...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and redistributes for the people's welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They have no money, just redistribute the people's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'except that's not what happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Redryn is trolling with the "they 'generate' co2 because the energy used to create them is from co2 generating sources" -- alternatives also do the same,  so irrelevent, (and hence 'trolling')'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The government IS the people, where else would they get money?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government is absolutely not the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with DosseT there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Rothschilds'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not been the people for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The bankers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The Bilderberg group and the council on foriegn relations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a select group of bankers that have been collapsing nations to gather resources for hundreds of years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace "collapse" with "manipulate", dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'just look at the bullshit they pulled in Libiya'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the reason governments can't just build green energy now is because the alternative sources are not viable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't waste your breath'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they haven't had the benefit of decades of r&d'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're viable and long-standing, when it comes to tidal and hydro'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it'd be pretty dumb to throw a ton of resources into building stuff that will be outdated in a decade'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tidal and hydro is difficult to scale up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have any idea the capital needed to successfully build and maintain hydro?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google "Tesla ZPE"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the R&D was done 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should the government do what the market is perfectly capable of doing for itself? All they need to do is apply taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'few locations optimal for that type of energy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Irrelevant? Where is the money coming from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not as much as our defense spending last year?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can hand the banks $700bn for nothing, they can find $25bn for energy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's coming from the drug trade, child trafficking, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They can make money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what DosseT said, about wars'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dosset is perhaps loosely paraphrasing from "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zioo" aka in this case as "the Bankers"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drugs and child trafficking hit public coffers now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's their under the table'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government theoretically only has money from the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In reality, it has that, coupled with blackmarket sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They run all the drug trades, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'd guess some cartels in ol''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different the UK's problem with housing costs, they could solve it in 2 yrs with less money than they're burning on putting in a high speed rail link that they don't need and nobody wants'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'mexico have some explaining to do'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Fast and Furious doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move along, parallel universe calling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Intelligence agencies get the drugs from places like Libya/Syria (make sense now?), then delegate distribution to organized crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They want us poor and without guns. FACT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Organized Crime takes the hit in the public eye'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certain types of people won't 'get it' until there is no electric, no jobs, no infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solar on my roof is producing more energy that i'm using right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government offered a guaranteed subsidy generation tariff for installation by home owners, all fitted through small independant fitters'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the uptake has been huge'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their only mistake was the sourcing of the funding'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you trolls are making Chemosh look good'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your beef, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'GMO'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I bet we all ate GMO today'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canola oil is gmo (from Canada)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So inflation has really hit Ardwolf eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame co2, or terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '1000 gold might as well be worth 1000 pesos! Am i right or what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue it's a fiat currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well the imms make as much as they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'not to mention killing mobs pays you gold. I judge the Aardconomy based on the price of a TP'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way to solve the co2 problem is to wipe 90% of the people off the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the Rockefeller solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But they're not concerned about the CO2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats gonna happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Happening right now Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the poison you eat/drink is rendering people infertile'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty cool - they say this mayan calendar codex calculated that in dec 21 2012 the world would enter into hell or something, and the people who decyphered their calendar figure the sun will be in the center of the milky way galaxy and the earth would change it's wobble at that time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they say there's a gigantic black hole in the center of the milky way galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the bible says the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light at the book of revelation, so that could be neat, even if it's the last neat thing ever haha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a nuclear winter is not "neat"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'entering in the black hole nucleus of the milky way galaxy is bigger than human weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scifi roleplay is on the RP channel ---->'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah's witness nuclear war is the end of the lord is on the RP channel too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rhubarb'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '27% of households in the UK are now in fuel poverty as electricy and gas cartels buck the recession to make record profits'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank carbon taxes for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it that Canada and Brazil both got beaten in the olympics by Iran and North Korea?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in better shape i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this Paul Ryan bloke, then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I've heard he's a Republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look like a constitutional republican though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a big central government republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's planning a balanced budget by 2040, which means he's accepting of a realterms devaluation of the US currency by around 80%'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If your balanced budget happens after the next election, it doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is no such thing as a balanced budget\'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also something about democrats not voting for budgets anymore?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'state always needs 10% more each year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to avoid a collapse, you need a balanced budget already'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly the case here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a balanced (gaap) budget is hardly going to happen in the next 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not with the paradigm intact, guaranteeing to return one of the paid for puppets to power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except for whichever year social security/medicare/medicaid/defence spending is run over by a very large truck'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in power won't budge, they're either too scared to act, or have been ordered not to'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people doing the voting are so dumbed down into believing in the limitation of the two party system, that nothing will change'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll require a collapse to force people out of the rut'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'This is not a Democracy At ALL'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well no.  Nobody who has an inkling of what a democracy is has ever claimed that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's been a republic from the start.  Democracy only works on a very small scale.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a true democracy is like God.  We have faith in it, but it doesn't actually exist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone should just get along and stop being ninnys and money and every other thing would be nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think social media has evolved enough to where we really could have a true democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and you think that won't be rigged to'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want true democracy, you need to push power and responsibility down to the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US case, that means the states having all the power over everything except foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, means having county-level parliaments'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats what Im saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has social media got to do with that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the late 1700s, we tried that.  It failed horribly enough that we reconvened a special committee to redo our constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social media is part of the problem, not the solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'in the US it takes months for 500 people to decide on a budget.  you want to get 300 million involved?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you fail to understand what was written, or did you choose not to read it? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each state/county should decide it's own budget'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be annoying having to vote on stuff every day/week/month.  Many folk simply don't even bother voting now, when it's like once every 2 years.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'you talked about a true democracy.. that's not a true democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never mentioned 'true democracies''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that was me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'if everyone was doing what they loved money is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's certainly true the the larger the democracy, the less democratic it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'humanity needs a new direction away from money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and control over others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I love children, but I am definitely not going to try doing them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing children? are you a tsa officer or a policeman?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was referring to the making-babies part'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'people get all uptight when you don't take care of the kid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best you don't, not like we need any'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you can get AIDS fucking little kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I love children too, I roast them for dinner every now and then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'In the USa it takes months for 300 million to decide an election.  And you want to reduce the voting decisions to by a mere 500 -- tsk, the arrogance of wannabe aristocrats'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They are quite tender if cooked properly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternate punchline: "tsk, the arrogance of some bootlickers (seeking the favor of the 500)"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think 500 can accurately or even remotely represent 300 million?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracies didn't ought ot be bigger than 10mil'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 mil if you can help it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'we have 10m democracy here, and it's same mess as in US'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're being screwed by the EU'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'eu is something for officials to hide behind. They go to brussels to say yes for something, than come home and say "look, EU wants us to do this, we can't do anything about it and have to put it into law"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'government by social media ?!? -- what about those to thifty and too smart to waste their lives typing inane opinions into handheld devices'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'the UN is trying to take over'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grenn: 'i Was Lon Chaneys Lover!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is mostly a collection of representatives from countries run by petty tyrannical dictators despots warmongers liars crooks cheats sycophants toadlings gredy incompetents and other riffraff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'greedy incompetents -- at least they are incompetent -- if they were competent, there is a chance they'd be even more greedy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Pro Jew or Pro Palastine? I think Palastine deserves to be recognized as a country. We only support Israel because we think Armageddeon is going to happen there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel is another western mistake of the 20th century'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps someone in the US could tell me what their establishments utter obsession with Israel is all about'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're like our little brother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the idealized classical western view, older siblings look out for the younger ones and it's particularly shameful when they do not.  I guess you could equate it to the East's honor system (honor killings and such.)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you do realise that the problems there are of our own creation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was land that whilst not peaceful, was reasonably so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we go and "impose" a state of israel, and then over the following 60 years they go on a program of land-stealing and ethnic cleansing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you expect the indigenous arabs to thank you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean really, how dumb are you guys?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran wants the dismantling of the state of Israel. Instead of the American reaction of "they want to kill everyone!", a more appropriate reaction would have been "No shit, sherlock"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're atheists, and god's chosen people come from a region of the world surrounded by colored people, being white (but not white white), and white nations are seen as a menace to society unlike indian and asian and african, then they must have some kind of belief system about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that relevent?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care very much about that side of the world, except how it owns everything on this side'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thanks to the geologic record, God's kinda limited on where his chosen people came from.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're probably all racist, jews and arabs and chinamen and indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and africans, i guess they all got their reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but white people must be multiculturalism or else the un will be crying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what the UN is about, removing rights from people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sure don't try to protect them very much'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disposing of freedoms of speech, freedoms of thought, and all pretense of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone's racist.  It was a survival tactic that proved exhorbitantly successful due to how resources were collected and maintained.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those who did not have, attempted to have and sometimes were successful in the having.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'usually they weren't perfectly executed, and thus was born the idea of vengeance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does racism tie into Israel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ancient history.  They warred with the folk God said he didn't like.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and africans in haiti, in the papa doc JFK-voodoo curse administration, removed the ability of a half-breed to be a politician, so that's not only across the world from africa, it's just off the coast of america'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not the native race of those islands i imagine'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not enough criticism is given to racists these days, when they have power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ancient history they say, just 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their investments as a nation and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a one-racial supremecy chinese tibetan there buying up all western resources, are the other races gonna be ok?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, we're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should thank our glorious leaders and their forebears for enabling us to be a generation of people who have almost zero chance of attaining even the basic parts of hopes and dreams and aspirations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know i'm personally grateful, i don't know what i would have done with a happy peaceful life that i had hoped for if it hadn't been for them exploding the world around us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish i could give them something more, almost my entire monthly wage packet in taxes doesn't seem adequate restitution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, humanity requires conflict to progress and keep it under firm control of the people who cause it ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that pearl harbour quote, the pacific is our "theatre of war"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty real kind of war to the people who are actually fighting it, but maybe just a game to the people who ultimately cause it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'population control is what i think of about it, where did ancient rome go?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rome burned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rome was (weakened and thus) destroyed by Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the propaganda that they used for the next 2000 years was weak?  i don't know..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems a pretty long duration for a peter pan story to brainwash the world to be a weakening factor'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then canada claims to be multiculturalism, democracy and things like that, but is there any race of people with a group like the b'nai b'rith, who are the jews exclusive, that approve every politician before they get their jobs and tell them what to do in 'memorandums of understanding' even changing the charter of rights and freedoms as they see humourous?  i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know enough about it to comment on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be though, every race has it's neo-nazi choir singing behind closed doors to the elected official'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't make any sense to me, to have a race of people meeting with every political option of the mindless electorate before a election, and then behind closed doors with the prime minister to sign 'memorandums of understanding' which undermine any awareness of the 'democracy''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying Iran have the rights of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'racism is so simple. it is basically like when a stranger comes to your home and doesn't behave like a visitor. all of it started out this way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about it in the news, then i read about 'ZOG' conspiracy theories and wondered, what if'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would be tempted to believe "zionist conspiracy theories" less if Israel didn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it is, they clearly hold vastly disproportionate power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the aryan brotherhood is meeting with prime minister stephen harper today to sign a memorandum of understanding about who is a race-traitor and must be punished in a court of law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, just normal stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm white and if i seen that in the news i'd question it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but since they're the b'nai b'rith exclusive jew club operating in a multicultural nation's parliament hill, it's beyond question or i'm a anti-semitic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be a good time to buy up some silver'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so this group of people can only be whites, and is a evil racist war criminal, but those can only be jews and they're the representatives of jehovah'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is the fish good enough for him?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to be groveling again'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one group is ok, the other is not, the nazi's are proof of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evil white slave whippers too, damn it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nevermind that blacks do that to their own to this day in africa, or arabians, or that the gulag might have inspired the nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just doesn't seem very multiculturalism to me, to have groups of one-breed humans lobbying it's administration'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless every race has their own group listen in on the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to other's though is no problem, like the voodoo dust on the serpent and the rainbow, nothing wrong with mojo soul zombies and stuff, it's normal stuff - it's democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did jacob make a pact with his mother, the devil - or was it esau who traded his inheritance for a drink of water from his jehovah brother?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of family values he has'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that lord egan church of satan family values video could be inspired by jehovah instead of satan, who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe jesus is esau reborn, and jacob's in hell asking him for a drink of water'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it sure would be nice if the sun got sucked into a black hole on december 21'st, if as they say on science that there's a gigantic black hole in the milky way galaxy (in the middle) and on dec 21'st the sun goes to the middle'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the humans would be vacuumed into lord'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's be interesting anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there you go you cocky fucks all crushed space junk never to be spat out again and stuff, right on'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably won't be anything though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and once every 20,000 years or so the earth changes it's wobble, and that's happening on dec 21st they say'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe even the antichrist will celebrate christmas this year if it happens correctly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if nothing else maybe there'll be a mass-human sacrifice of heart-removal cause the sun needs human blood to survive, cause people're paranoid sometimes and also like to kill'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can make some new hollywood thrillers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the joker and the face eater, a story about alien abuduction conspiracy theories and asocial personality disorders'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'staring stan and cartman'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see the phrase "conspiracy theory" banned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's constantly abused/misused'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'morbid stuff but, where do you think jason vorhees and michael myers came from?  thin air?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to john wayne gacy's wikipedia article, those surnames were both involved in his life'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and we all know how they like to pickle his brain'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess to make light of issues like joking face eaters is pretty evil though, the crimes are terrible in recent media - but if you made it up before the media then you'd be ok, you can call it the return of pennywise the clown meets batman looking for some weed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not responsible for those people, they're just another example of the general consensus of ordinary humanity to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the general consensus of humanity?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they think i'm crazy, but they're insane'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can't answer that, but i don't think the world is insane'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the world is dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no?  maybe you're right and they're just dumb, looking for some weed or cocaine or whatever else, money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to be an american idol serial killer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it has anything to do with drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows, they released that movie about albert fish 'gray man or grey man' before that new york guy ate that boy walking home from school - never heard of if he seen it or not'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though popular media culture has a lot to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their crimes sure are similar though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i'm saying, the media has something to do with it, possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they rather censor people like me who point that out than pay attention to the media like joseph stalin watching for nazi propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you need to ask yourself who controls and directs the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read, fox media was owned by a company 49% owned by a saudi royal, who might have invested 500 million in twitter, which gets people off of murder charges with mistrials and various other things like blasphemy in thailand and kuwait'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe they have something to do with it, or they just work for somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for the most part they work for someone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you watch the movie 'the killing room' , it talks about a group of strange people who hire civilians on government voluntary experiments and then kill all but one per group, and then the survivor gets elected to a new level of their training program, which creates terrorists in this mk-ultra experiment conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banned phrase alert'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing a movie like that come out, which feeds on several human conspiracy theories and puts them into perspective in various formations, what's anything i can say on the internet compared to what more people will have seen for entertainment?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely to censor Chemosh if they are (almost) paying (various to train) Chemosh to say the ineffectual drivel'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'puppets that don't know they are puppets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well puppet or not, i still need sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only thing i put on the internet is what abelinc queue's at the top of good search results from aardwolf's log index, with that arcane jewish upper level interaction with the mechanics of google like cheezburger, or what you all repeat to others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then it's you putting it on the internet, taken out of context of whatever you use it as an example in court for'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that somebody would take a program like twitter, which is maybe a million lines of original code, and invest 500 million dollars in it's propagation instead of hiring a team of programmers to make something superior, and it's social media control and blackmail materil over olympic athletes, is pretty weird isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i liked that movie the network from 1976 there or 1975, it uses the media to plant doubt in people over it's legitimacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine most of the people on this game are like the people who get twittered'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social science and stuff, ai tweaking'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'psychology '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and lawyers who read through the twitter log files'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a few cops but mostly the ukrainian kind, who torture 600 thousand people per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read on lasher's mudconnecter website that this game is a host for DARPA experimentation, and that's weapons research - so what kind exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the forums there, those were miraculously not indexed by google like abelincs NSA log files'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look into just about any internet application you'll find some government connection if it's popular'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he said only on test port though, like they talk about on imm channel all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of weapon is this?  what system are we testing here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is some kind of defensive game'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i play with their experiments on another game too sometimes, they hire people to claim otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human experimentation is against their constitution in both my country and theirs, and even when requested they rely on the unread privacy policy and terms of use agreement '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess using josef mendele as a metaphor sometimes might be a little extreme though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he did make it into a slayer song'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people think they're powerful until they're shredded i guess, and they all get shredded in the end according to the departures i've heard about, so it's just a matter of hate being their god and revolt a vanity as they're consumed by death like all of their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the real vengeance i figure, and it makes sense like not all of old yeller was rotten, but enough was that he had to be put down'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good people on this world quickly become evil people or perverted, and good only exists to satisify the human devil'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who will never be removed from power as long as humans exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh loosely paraphrased stated "AardwolF is (was) part of a darpa project" -- that may explain some features of Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FlowdraA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, darpa money is tax money, and the majority democratically agree that various video game (and things like facebook and google) should have experiments ran in their collective background which they don't understand the purpose of, which are not the game they are playing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for who knows how much money, probably more than the average person receives in a lifetime of tax-wasted welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hundred or thousand, probably billions or trillions in it's history'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice amount of money on something you're oblivious of isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, damn social services and stuff or attempts at supplementing the employment and education industry with affordability and accessibility, or housing, wastes of tax payer money - but not ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nope, that's money well spent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're keeping us safe from the them, who have another ignorance that they're defending again'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'st oo top secret to let you in on it's exact nature, with your approval process'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we keep you stupid enough so that such ignorances are beyond your democratic capability to comprehend'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you sure make a fine experimental subject for the tax-payer experiment'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tax payers becoming 'non-angel of death' experiments of the government that protects them from the 'foe' of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'papa doc had them convinced the west wanted haiti to be a disorganized slave-state, and possibly he was right - but he was also misappropriating aid funding from america according to his wikipedia, i imagine they use similar cult of personality tactics to remain in control of the ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know why haitians are so poor and stuff, i don't think it's very natural that they build themselves shoddy structures and things like that instead of decent dwellings though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if china and russia and that entire half of the world is such a opponent to western democracy and stuff, then why don't they just halt all communication, trade and transport between the east and west hemispheres?  isn't that easier than keeping on importing more of their invasion strategies, and isn't there enough resources here that we don't need theirs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'such important to trade various mendele experiments as ok for some kind of a something over there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're just 'preventing nuclear chaos''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or crimes against gulag humanity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're doing that, i'm not convinced though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the end result is everybody in a cage with a cattle-eartag and anal probe for security, because the terror comes from there, and that's almost a fate worse than death'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then what's the point in not getting the eventual averted?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you got enough nukes to destroy the world, and they do too, then if you told them to fuck off and get their dick out of your ass or you might be tempted to old yeller them, they might listen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if on the other hand, you were the one sliding it into their ass and they were being anally violated by your alien probe, maybe you should listen to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fear the world being nuked, it's rotting as it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like cauterizing the wound'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most likely already dead meat though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can't halt immigration, we have to stick an anal probe up your tagged ear ass to preserve democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good for african infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least 51% owned by blacks, half breeds excluded'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with that, but here's a black guy on my canadian television claiming the this is his wheat field, while mostly it's white people doing the production, so we'll see if they have white people claiming their majority black farmer's fields are their wheat fields too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably not, but to perceive that as a form of racism is to be the anti-winfrey, so it's probably not specifically designed as an offensive psychological programming maneuver'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i seen, africa has the natural resources to be self-sustaining of everybody there, and still trade with other nations - not relying on holodomor handouts from world vision charity's and red crosses, while their governments lobby the governments in foreign nations like canada for some handouts , that they place intot heir personal fortunes i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what they don't know how to do i'm sure they could have learned 30 years ago or 70'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the results?  they're less profitable than another 100 years of charity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the average charity worker in canada gets a paycheque of roughly 125,000 dollars per year, amazingly enough - they quit their dayjobs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's 40 80 120, 3 soldiers yearly wages'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and whoever handles it from there, they might get a little bigger of a paycheque'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are insufficient resources in Africa to self-sustain a sex-obsessed overbreeding populace'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or alot, who knows - it's no original scam to ask for handouts for others and then spendt hem on yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and people who verify , and even charity's who transparently operate, charities seem to be lacking alot'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poverty, pestilece, famines, starvation, diseases wars, genocides, in Africa reduce the population so that they may be obsessed with sexual gratification'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll have a photo shoot, but they're operating in a region majorily controlled by 'the terrorist' who mysteriously targets 'foreign reporters of independent media companies''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'coming to verify the good work that people became terrorist as thanks for'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'counter-opinion: "immigration must be halted" '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's bringing down your nation because they want to turn your nation into the land they came from, then i think it's good to be more critical of the type of people allowed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they want to spread islam and turn everybody into a sharia law here to be lorded over by allah, or maybe they're taking back the righteous spanish lands from the white extermination prospects'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe they just want to be free of those kind of things and just want to live a ordinary life with others who want the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British commited (further) genocide against the Fijians by letting the populace of India immigrate to Fiji'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(committed)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you think britain might be behind some of the immigration problems in the world?  better to change the world to suit the immigrants instead of have the immigrants accept the democracy?  like the muslim terrorists causing everybody to be on lockdown within their own borders?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all muslims are like that of course, but they don't leave the ones who are already here, here who accept the way of life that it was when they came, and then critically consider those who want to come ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they consider them all more now, but i don't think peaceful people should all have to be slaughtered cause of some assholes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like their freedoms and security and stuff, so if most of those assholes come from foreign lands and their influence on yours, and that's what yours uses as a reason for it, then why not further limit that availability and then release the tension a little?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'until they smarten up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the people who run immigration should be able to evaluate people better than they do, if those kind of crazy people manage to come across so much that the entire place has to be on lockdown - i guess it's impossible to totally secure the borders though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless the assholes are exalted by the powers that be to always be assholes until humanity is no more, then it's that old yeller situation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some claim the criminals own every politician in the west, others might claim that the successful criminals on earth are products of totalitarian dictatorship and their gangs are part of the government, same might go for racists and terrorists and the ones they allow into the country to serve their foreign one, was it an oversight or just part of the new world order government?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like a citizen of this country being loyal to a foreign one above all else, is that somebody who's actually a member of your society, or should probably be in the one they're most loyal to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if it influences your politicians and laws and economy and things like that, would it be influencing it for their foreign interest or yours?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the only thing that bothers me about groups like that b'nai b'rith and the various lobbiests in the world, like the oil industry - as though national security isn't impactable by a oil spill like the gulf of unemployment fishing mexico, so why doesn't your government handle all oil industry instead of greedy corporations from communist nations and (foreign nations) in general'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like this youtube mythbusters video about them being banned from showing how insecure and widely exploitable the RFID human implant chips are by visa and several other companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like it might be something peopule would like to know, like how they can track your movement remotely following your cell phone or your car's computer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this will only be in your flesh possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and google would be driving it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like this: The vast majority of killings in Mexico have been committed in the northern state bordering the United States. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19237915 should be alarming shouldn't it?  maybe almost as much as the 9/11 attacks?  and then Stephen Harper and the Conservatives lessen their presence at the border that they don't seem very concerned about in america, trusting them to police it better  -- just seems like a problem that should be dealt with somehow, and it seems what they've been doing for 30-40 years hasn't worked'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably wouldn't be killin people if they didn't have holes through which to operate, and i can't see america , who doesn't figure those out, trying to protect canada from it's own insecurity, but they don't care - it's national security stuff just some kids playing cocaine cowboys nad robbeers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a public statement of violent execution torture, the terrorist is across the ocean and 5000 miles of desert if you don't propagate my cocaine supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't quite comprehend it, but i understand some people don't have much of a concept of justice'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least some of those southcentral american nations were trying to restructure the war on drugs so that it is less profitable than a legitimate life'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'resisted by america and canada of course, cause it's obvious that they don't have heroine for sale on every town in their vicinities'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the war on drugs is a success, it results in legitimate business owners who killed some innocent people to get where they are, and monopolized every lawful life under them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably them DEA agents only go after rivals to their boss, and scapegoats to keep up appearances, who their boss stands to gain more security in his enforcers through the sacrifice of, but who knows - that upper echelon program might only be isolated like those 1985 cocaine allegations i heard on a video from one of their agents'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people have no common sense, they prefer to live in a perpetual bloodbath in a land of plenty because cocaine is one of more than one option to afford to progress to any economically secure stature among society'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who doesn't like slaughtercults?  it's always nice to know that you're surrounded by people who'd kill you for a piece of your pie, and keeping them in czech through fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taking away and corrupting all other industries but the one you excel in, so that the only option's you own, and the most profitable one kills them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, the war on drugs is a success, the options are there, but they just refuse to take them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause the cops don't value their own security so they prefer to work for their drug-masters and all that kind of stuff, cause they get paid sufficiently to not be traitors to humanity, which has plenty of options to afford to live under the security provided by their police'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it wasn't for drugs there would be maybe even less reasons to arrest people, and that's a crime against the police who require criminals to earn their daily bread'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that there was a war in 1848 or so where america took half of mexico though, so i guess they have their reasons for it - doesn't explain much of why america would be sending them firearms and things though, if those fall intot he hands of the people who cause it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess 60,000 or more times somebody went to the local gun dealership and said 'i want me a m-16 and a ak-47 for some good times and deer hunting and stuff', and then they went south of the border - i imagine they have alot of traffic and all though through the border, that much though is quite a bit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if you were a lawful native mexican person working your farm or something and were armed with a machete or a shotgun and 10 guys walk up with some deer hunting m-16's and do whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't make much sense to be sending that kind of odds south does it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they're lookin for torturing the innocent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because likely innocent people wouldn't be looking to attain those kind of weapons in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless their enemy was already equipped, which they're doing in libya and syria and places like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think if i went to a gun dealership in texas and order 60,000 ak-47's and m-16's for deer hunting they'd get suspicious?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no big deal, i'd like some anti-tank rocket launchers and 50 calibre sniper rifles too, for those easy prey'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i read on the news anyways, most of those weapons came from the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's drugs apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't give them fair wages at wal mart's detroit replacement of free trade agreement from what i heard, can't buy very much with 2 dollars per day in wages can you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they did, then why would they send an american business south in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why does the value of a human life's effort vary so much from place to place?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're worthless, you're worth 2 dollars a day, while that man is worth 200 million per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the difference?  he's one of those special people who's neighbours fear him and you have the opportunity to work at his lawful place of occupation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's offensive to work for money when the people who own all of the occupations for it never did, yet already own everything you could ever buy with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just look at that and i have a endless supply of hate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can anyone take the living cartoon that is Mitt Romney seriously? He's released zero full tax returns. He released an incomplete tax return for 2010 that omitted several key parts (Swiss bank accounts, anyone?) and an estimate for 2011 claiming he'll release the full 2011 tax return once it's available (sure, now that he's had time to prepare and pay all of the appropriate taxes).'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, his running mate Ryan Paul claims that he submitted "several" years worth of tax returns to the vetting people while being vetted for VP but that he will only make 2 of those public (probably as to not bring further scrunity upon Mitt's mysterious refusal to just release his tax returns).'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You realize politics is created to distract us from the fact that liberals/democrats are on the same team, and it's not the people's'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't quite buy that. Not for the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What about Obama's fake birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, of course. You're one of THOSE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is the HOME of the U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't, as a liberal, bash on conservatives and over look liberals'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm unaffiliated.  Yes, I am one of those.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just as conservatives can't bash Obama because of Dubya and Herbert Walker'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're ALL idiots, and propped-up puppets'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't hear you over your Birtherism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Omitting that example, Obama spent more money on war than the conservatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Basically, he lied'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If I were a liberal, I'd be upset too'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'These people sell pretty lies to people, and divide them with Good Cop Bad Cop partisan politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And yes, you're right, the neo-cons are no better'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US department of homeland security has just ordered another 750 million rounds of ammunition'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one big problem is they charge VAT on Silver'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's 1.4bn rounds of ammo US dept of homeland security to use on it's own people. more than 4 bullets per person in the country'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1.4 billion rounds is to stop the foreigners invading'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what foreigners?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here a guy in thailand shoots his secretary accidentally with a submachine gun and was too in shock to take her to the hospital, and faces a maximum 10 year prison sentence if convicted - then in the last couple years a old guy from america was facing 8 years in prison for blasphememous remarks about the king of thailand http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19247135 the people who represent the people have special privledges that prevent them from prosecution - that's pretty fun isn't it?  lucky cowboys'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'fun' cause maybe you have members of your own government who talks to theirs and does business together'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be an accident and not a display of power of some kind though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the law means alot i say, cause if everybody could break it like the people who make it then the world wouldn't be as sheeplike'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright to obey the law though, as long as the law obeys itself - then it's done more out of common sense than respect'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the colorado 'joker' should claim it was an accident'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't an accident, it was deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and like i said about letting islam rule egypt, it doesn't look like it's shaping up to be any better from media reports - people should take note of what happens to 'what freedom really exists' when islam takes the reigns of a region, all friendly peaceful people or sort of like moses in the old testament with some cult of personality charms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about in indonesia and arabia and all kinds of places, where islam rules is corrupt eventually and as the ideological beliefs of some of it's priests take over, everybody not of their clique gets slaughtered'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam is divided into many parts, but the two major groups hate each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine some separate religion and the world more than others though, they probably all do to some degree, but some of them prefer to mix them together to serve them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't that be weird if those idyllic explorers who tried to find a quick route of transport through the arctic were indication of why it's going to be melted by 2022 or so?  no more polar bears'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we'll see what happens with that, greenland's 95% melt this summer was a ordinary occurrance last witnessed 125 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not extraordinary then'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'building a noah's ark might be a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's anywhere left to float to'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does this usual but historically and scientifically unimportant event give governments the right to clamp down on land rights and force vulnerable old people to freeze to death and millions of others to live in fuel poverty?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they banned wood burning heat and stuff, just cause old people can't afford to experiment with the science suppressed by the corporation government doesn't give the government the right to kill them off i figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess there's not as many trees as there used to be, but in any stand of wood is some dead ones that look ok for burning'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't ban wood burning for heat here, but they've had people, especially the elderly, dependant on welfare for so long that most homes aren't equipped with wood burners anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't fashionable'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'water shortage, and the oilsands in alberta are located at the mouth of the largest north american river system'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder, and food supply and stuff, well - i think most of these problems they invent themselves and then use as excuses to kill people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole financial collapse we see going on in slow motion was planned'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the global bankers even go on television bragging about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't think of anything to do with money as not being planned'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'an accident is accidental, the bills you pay for being fixed aren't'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched some of this movie about a us senator last night which was pretty funny, a botched assassination attempt on him caused him to be honest, and he said health care can't afford itself cause where insurance companies get 37% of every dollar of prescriptions sold, the government gets 8%'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't remember it's name'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not convinced that it is planned - politicians don't want to make unpleasant (unpopular) decisions, and that alone is almost enough to avoid a real solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians didn't plan it, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was talking to the people askin him and his political opponent questions, about the boss that they all share who pays them all wealthily to ask him questions and for him to answer them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The eurocrisis may not have been planned, but it was predictable, and was predicted in at least one textbook I had to read for an economics course before the euro arrived'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why wouldn't you believe it was planned if they admitted it was planned?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems like normalcy bias to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Depends on who was doing the planning, I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't believe politicians planned it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for the general heap of debt which, in Bernanke's dreams, we'll spend the next generation deleveraging, that was perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not predictable a generation ago when it started, but certainly by the time Clinton was president it was getting more easy to see'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was it glass-stegal was repealed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1996 or something?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right about when Clinton was in power?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't he also push and push for banks to make crazy loans to people to buy properties they couldn't afford?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depends on which part of G-S you mean, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the love of any random god, don't let Obama stick you with socialist healtchare'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grenn nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it from someone who suffers from it here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canadian Healthcare is okay'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which just means i get to pay twice for every bit of healthcare instead of once'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's getting bad over here.  Our illegal immigrants are becoming illegal emigrants!'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norway already has a public health care system which covers everyone, paid for with taxes, costs about half of what the US system costs'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which doesn't make me feel any strong urge to switch'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Norway doesn't have corporations involved in providing insurance'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is at least 99% true :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now go look at what Obamacare -actually- is'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see it's just a carte-blanche for a select bunch of health insurance corporations to set up a monopoly and fleece the taxpayer'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulworth there's that movie, funniest i saw since 'the network''
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes, but then it appears that "Obamacare" was written by clever insurance company lawyers'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'd bet money that Obama read less than 5% of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and implemented at a state level by Mr Romney'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can smell the bs miles off with this election'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Network or The Network?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the network, a movie about a tv prophet who defames the brainwashing employed by the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 1970s thing was just called network, I though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is on my to-see-list, but I keep forgetting to order it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay around 20% of my earning directly to funding our social healthcare, and you pay for most treatments and medication on top of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's also... the waiting times'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things are set up here so that they hope most people will die before they get treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even worse for elective treatments'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(for the elective treatments that they offer)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if an insurance company treats a person they evaluate whether they'll make a profit by their life expectancy after treatment in their accumulated payments, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, i need to see a dermotologist, it'll be a 24 week wait'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I imagine it's more like..they calculated a dollar value for each year of life and then treated it as a normal optimization problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see people who are legitimate being turned away by them often, even though they paid out tens of thousands of dollars on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death panels are not a moral way of running a health service'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They are sort of unavoidable though. The entire political process is a huge death panel of sorts, as long as we have limited resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they spend billions of dollars here on beurocracy and 'targets' generation, just so they can prove to themselves they aren't doing a shite job'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So you might as well have an explicit value'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they disposed of all that, they might have a chance of -actually- doing a good job'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's always the same when you get a collectivist system run by the state that has got LARGE'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate if you want to save money you have to switch some resources from sickcare to healthcare (ie. prevention)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly the same problems you get with a capitalist system that has got too large'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well at the moment, much of the money is burnt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem is not so much a large capitalist system as the fact that any individual unit in any system can be expected to be a selfish bastard'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and in capitalism this works out as (a) all sorts of tricks to avoid/eliminate competition, (b) general rent seeking, (c) cost externalization'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone thinks 'they spend too much money' but nobody wants to be the one where they say 'sorry, but spending 3 million to give you an extra 3 months isn't cost-effective.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Dispel Majic!
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we say that in Norway'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'preventative, in canada cbc news yesterday they had an article 'wealth equals health' rings true, partially due to diet i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for incurable diseases, at any rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue with that, majic, is that they lie'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think the NHS should be abolished and control passed down to county level (equivalent to pushing it back to state level in the US)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, 'they spend too much money' :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and abolish all the targets'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funding as well? or still determined on a country-wide level.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funding, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible that in the 250 million or so years of homo sapiens none of them developed a community where eachother knows their own greedy instincts and looks to avoid that in their own administration, like democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty obvious what happens when that's missing'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, so any county populated primarily by working stiffs gets screwed as far as expensive care goes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you guys want a competent government and an inexpensive competent healthcare system;  yet you talk incompetently'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when did 'lets pretend you're not a crook' become the standard leadership resume?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and a contract of duration, at least 3 years, for your convincing charade'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah well, whether you believe it's an evil conspiracy, or serial incompetence and greed, or a mixture of the above, the fact is this: it's going to shit, and my generation is never going to be able to afford their own property, and is going to have no pension or healthcare in old age and will likely struggle or die in their dotage'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so golf clap to the generations that went immediately before for screwing it up for us'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forgive me for being somewhat pissed off at it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Let's not be pessimistic, shall we? Look at Japan!'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll sit on a wall chewing straw while you all get frog-marched down the street to internment camps'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In only 20 years, their companies have already deleveraged 1/3 of the debt they piled up in the 80s'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japan is not an appropriate example'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '...so in another 30 years, they should be doing fine, if it weren't for the gov't debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts say "abolish NHS and thrust the HS on the lower levels"  as though the lower levels are going to be competent simply because they are lower levels -- those levels nearer to blithering incompetents blathering on debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade, the problem is the hierarchy, not the people on the bottom level'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is appropriate, I think. Obama and Bernanke chose the Japanse solution - no mark to market, camp on bad debt, hope that inflation and earnings eventually sort things out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JapAnese..need to sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japanese debt is nearly all internal'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usa's is not'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if jp morgan goes down it will take down the dollar with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't enough money on the planet to bail them out'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and causing funny crowding issues and changed behaviour, and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those at the bottom levels are likely to be even more incompentent than the hierarchy '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly cause of the traits of leadership the hierarchy taught them about'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those at the bottom, zade, are the healthcare professionals, not the managers '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows your lack of understanding of the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right?  what makes a leader, not a whole bunch of people who can originally comprehend actual democracy and things like a self-sufficient nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the regional srtuctures are already in place'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like people trying to look like their hollywood heroes and mimic their favourite gangsters and things like that, they're not the original , they're not trying to be themselves, politics is probably alot like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why on earth would you assume that the most competent people are at the top? such a display of logical promotion is rarely seen :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the NHS, the people are the top are career politicians and career "management" people whose sole skills appear to be absorbing money for their own renumeration'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were not for central government interference several ngo's and at least 2 tiers of beurocracy could be eliminated in it's entirety without touching the end result'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if HS were taken over by the lower levels, those are likely to be the town councils etcetera and not the doctors'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong again'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be the primary care trusts, that already exist at a local level, providing the general practices and outpatient clinics'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps an alternative is if doctors were promoted to the higher levels -- but that also is unlikely to work because those promoted shall also be corrupt or soon corrupted '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the higher levels are not required'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'shuffling things around in the hopes that something may work rarely works'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, another issue with promoting to the higher levels is that it tends to go to those who best play the game of politics and not those who are the most competent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you sure you're not a Democrat, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade  is not a republican
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you strike me as someone who loves beurocracy, loves "the power structure". Does that therefore mean you love being ordered about and told what to do and what to think?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anarchy rarely works'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an extraordinarily black/white statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anarchy does not work at all -- they are too busy looting and pillaging'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's quite a spectrum between huge overarching governance and complete anarchy'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not actually against social healthcare, i'm just against social healthcare being used as a brick to bludgeon the public into paying a ridiculous amount of money for a distinctly second rate of health provision, and against having it be sold as a universal health care system that is free at the point of requirement, when in reality it's a very slow, very limited health care system that you pay for through taxation AND for treatment itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some honesty and transparency would be great, but best of luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Free at point of care isn't a good idea imo anyway, there should be a small fee (like 5) for visits, just to put a minor deterrence on 'I'm bored, let's go satisfy my hypochondria.''
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they came up with a different solution to that here, Majic'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make you wait for 3 weeks for a GP appointment, anyone with hypochondria would have got bored by then'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's stupider.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they teach people on tv about how they don't know what's wrong until they get it checked out and stuff anyways, 'i'm bored' isn't only cause of ignorant people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, various colds and real illnesses get scarier after 2 weeks of being sick.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they pre-prescribe medicine to people, like their health care professional couldn't have advised them on the product theirself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway you pay about $20 per visit to a physician, up to a maximum of $300 or so per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, colds will mostly go away, but that encourages people to go to the ER if it actually seems serious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Tinada, that seems reasonable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As a kid, I remember my dad's HMO would require you to pay $10 for a clinic visit, $40 for an ER, $100 for an ambulance call.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and general practitioners spend about 20% of their time writing reports saying "bob has a flu, so he can't come to work this week"'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deny medical attention to welfare whores and their brats, imho, would cut down on healthcare costs in this country.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone pays 20, or is it scaled by income?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps you've somewhat crudely stated what you believe you are against --- but that does not create a competent workable working alternative '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of organisation, i've already said what is a working alternative'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of payment, well that remains to be seen'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think that local control is a panacea either ... heh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'both the price for individual visits and the maximum payment per year is the same for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i'd rather see all heatchcare costs paid for and the tax increased to suit'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(on balance)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just as the government's police are lobbying their way into the pimping industry, they want to remove health care for whores and their brats, go figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't want my taxes increased to pay even more money to welfare whores who don't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have my own debts I need to pay, kthx'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't work because the non-welfare whores sent all their jobs and resources to china and mexico and other places'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and is that per person or per family?  Getting sick enough to go to the doctor 15 times a year seems a tad bit excessive as a baseline.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and family values/morality no longer exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and can't exist cause the non-welfare whores said they can't afford to be moral'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't care why they don't work, I only care that they don't and that I have to shell out to support them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "competent workable working alternative" is likely to take an educated competent "genius" decades (to even begin) to see (the problem and) the solution  <-- rambling conjecture'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'per person'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the other option is to make everything other than ER subject to full payment with a locally set insurance cap'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why are the only options free or full payment? :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe if we'd let the underclasses die off a bit the problem would solve itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why "let" as opposed to "make"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because it isn't murder if we let them die off'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cut them off and let nature take its course'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'starling reminds me of josef stalin somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that bernard shaw'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No need to get our hands dirty'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others would say adolf hitler but, they preceded him by a decade or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying the first $10 of a GP visit, medication would seem on the outskirts fair, but what about someone who needs multiple medications for life? not terribly fair for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might as well empty out the prisons.  Make like Texas and put an express lane on death row.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also Stalin was way better at killing heaps of people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they need that many medications for life, natural selection should be allowed to remove them from the population'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I don't see an issue with a reasonable cap either.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i wish for you to have such problems, Starling'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly you deserve it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You and everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling yawns.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, that's exactly what I was talking about before. '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't you have 42 options with different payment systems already, so everyone can design their insurance the way they want?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just go to Canada.  You can get all your medications there for like half price.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't even need insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're american, you can get a pharmacy discount card for free at www.infowarsrx.com btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought i'd mention that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just think it's messed up that I went to school and incurred debt doing it, and I now work, but I get to pay taxes while some slob whore who does nothing but squirt out babies gets a free ride.  Seems rather backwards to me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i totally agree'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also see welfare dependants as victims of some rather inept or rather evil politicians experiment over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know you'd be whining about having to pay other peoples' taxes for them, even if (or especially if) they were making more than you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you .. need population growth?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'women are historically getting free rides though, their job is to produce children for the man of the house - who can't typically afford to be the man of the house in today's world, so there's more whores than otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for every 9 online bingo playing jeremy kyle watching couch coverers there a 1 person who is genuinely in need of the safety net'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'seriously? your claim is 90% of people on welfare aren't deserving of it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '90% of the money, not necessarily 90% of the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to a first approximation, it's similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the government should offer a one time payment of 5000 dollars to get sterilized.  People with no kids get the full amount, cut it in half for every brat they've shat or sired.  Cap welfare at the amount needed to pay for two kids, no more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't disagree that's a problem, i just think the problem starts somewhere at the top instead of at the bottom'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, there were huge cries of racism when a private group (I think california-based) was offering drug users cash payouts to be sterilized.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people don't like to think their own ignorance is out of their own hands though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many of the folk on welfare don't NEED to be on welfare, on the basis of that they COULD go out and find meaningful work.  It's just that what they tend to be qualified for makes welfare more economical.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hanslanda, but this is why i say that welfare dependants are as much victims as objects of scorn'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll try and explain briefly'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this country, if you have a job and pull back median wage'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot afford to live'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Prevention'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'headed for 50% of the population is on some form of welfare, many of them are at work'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest issues being high taxation, high housing costs, and high fuel costs'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'this is because wages have been stagnant for the bottom end for the past 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the american peace corps don't train americans who aren't qualified'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free" and "full" sound as though there is "oomph" value in the demagogue - this debate is about "oomph" and scoring rabblerouser-points (not about saying something that may be accurate while not closing off plausable variations)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that was an alright kind of program jfk invented, but it's not very applicable in reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a number of "socialist" and "capitalist" policies caused the problems here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and one criticism is: Positive Prevention/CRACK asserts an able-bodied supremacist notion of "value" by alleging that the babies born drug exposed are doomed to fail and the lives of their parents are expendable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and welfare recipients don't have their cost of living covered as it rises, that rises alot slower than the cost of living - which members of parliament can afford at any neighbourhood in your country by a tax credit'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the minimum wage/welfare systems are unprofitable to dynamically reallocate, but politicians are profitable people to spend taxes on'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare benefits have been, certainly of late, running above the rate of inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'poor people don't have a strong lobbying organisation.. because they're poor'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so, their voices aren't heard well enough in any debate about these things'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure their voice is relevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think they'd say?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i dunno. i'm not in their situation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't say i have a solution for it, i don't. All I can tell you is that it's a systemic, societal problem that neither of our parties here have yet understood, neither have a solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a well known solution. it just doesn't appeal to politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ideologically, i would like to see a simplified system where every citizen got a tax-free some each week, regardless of situation, and pensioners and the disabled got an additional sum'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'flatten out the income inequality curve. that is the best way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that's not possible, kraken'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'of course, actually doing that is both a) hard, and b) unpopular with rich people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, as i said before. rich people do have plenty of representation in government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i wonder if genocide's what they'll resort to, eventually to happen again like that mayan time system, or if they'll experiment with society like they spend trillions on experimenting with disaster'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'then who would clean the bathrooms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think would work for your neighbourhood?  your input is classified'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like now, venji, nobody'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'that's a harsh way to refer to immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you value whores and getting intoxicated and living like a pig with no purpose except to do it again, what did you used to value before you became what you are today?  what changed your mind and set that out of your way?  or were you just born like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess some people have no time in their life when their world wasn't corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but most of them seem to value at least something'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whom are you voicing that to, oracle/'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people like crackwhores and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just questions that a psychologist might ask'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's probably something more valuable in life to some of these people huffing plastic bags filled with gas, than.. huffing plastic bags filled with gas'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be interesting to know what those were'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere there must have been some failure of society that caused them to look away from being a part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a democracy wouldn't they look for that failure and try and figure it out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're assuming it's a societal cause and not an individual cause'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was individual i don't think there'd be quite that many'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nonsense cause the entirety of this reality of a 120 year lifespan human is contained within it, maybe some of those older people's worlds weren't as rotten though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldnt' say for certain, but i'm pretty comfortable with the notion that most crackwhores and drug addicts didn't go through childhood thinking "when i'm an adult, i want to be an addict"'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crackwhore itself is a product of the 1970's isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prohibition and things and war on drugs etc has a hand in that societal problem, red light'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemoh is posting flawed drivel designed to attempt to inflame and discomfit, along with unjustified flawed paranoid portents of resigned doom to come -- and the drivel does not provide any indications of workable solutions'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prohibition was indeed a great evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and had little to do with public health, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like current UN-based prohibition laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the drivel were accurate here may be some entertainment value'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee, zade, that any opinion i have voiced tonight has been an accurate representation of my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but flawed drivel with errors -- ycch, depressing '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to point one out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that cocaine wasn't so valuable, would that woman be a whore for more of it, or just be a addict?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just an addict, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's something about prohibition that i heard canada and america deny working around a solution for from a meeting in south/central america this (or last) year on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'waa not talking about you, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be an addict with less need to rob people to feed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to lessen the violence and things, they should also be making affordable living and ways to afford it more available lawfully i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only groups who think the continuation of the 'war on drugs' is a good plan is governments and drugs cartels '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is telling'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, people who think of solutions to problems like the war on drugs are considered evil leftists by the KGB i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marxist-leninist population control strife paranoia according to one video i seen'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't answer that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the government chooses the lesser of two evils in world war 2, they'd rather make drugs more profitable by securing the market for their not-boss and having them available everywhere anyways, with added bonus of increased crime rate for more procuration and supply and demand bloodshed than remove their value, as they say resulted in miami florida being the murder capital of america around 1984'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they see what happens when the money's not flowing for the drug trade in miami and decide it's best to not flood the market with availability so that there's more whores or something weird logical like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'structured experimental solutions etc, alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult for the inexperienced to answer flawed conjectures which pre-assumes a flawed dubious background as a deflection -- unless both the flawed conjecture and that dubious background are challenged'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just trying to understand what's so telling about who's against the war on drugs being solved'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is posting flawed drivel which is often wrong on several levels, with occasional bad grammar to obfuscate and hide some of the logic-errors and false-facts in the drivel'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: '-20'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Some of the other women. all Muslims, refused to drink the water as it had been brought by a Christian and was therefore "unclean", according to Mrs Bibi's evidence, sparking a row. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8120142/Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-in-Pakistan-for-blasphemy.html so with the norm being that and even worse in muslim countries, according to the news, how come the world mainly sympathizes with muslims being regulated by the austrian government and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sentenced to death for blasphmere'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'i recall a muslim woman recieving lashes due to being in a motor vehicle with a man that was not her relative'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 150 years ago the russian olympians may have been genocided and things like that, but what of the non-muslim's, how come they don't see an opportunity?  russia was barbarian before christianity according to what i read on the byzantine empire'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's sick isn't it?  somehow acceptable authoritarian behaviour though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'meh, it's their religon; who are we to judge'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I imagine a muslim/islam must be cursing his head off when he sees the woman at beaches revealing their skins'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'women'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they publicly rape female protesters in egypt for protesting sexual discrimination, as a group of law abiding allahs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing a little skin at a beach and tearing their clothes off and fucking it seem a little different, but i guess they find offense where their inner allah wants some sugar'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'can we also not say the same for the Christains who abuse homosexuals? and it's not a little skin and you know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind regulating all religions'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can have their bias and things like that as long as the law of the land requires they obey it'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that shouldn't be favouritism '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if you do that then you'll end up with protests. like the whole saga with the cartoon of Mohammed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what, most of them don't know what they're protesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they do, then they're trying to defend their rights to violate others'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'religon will always be about 'Us vs Them''
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'there can be no equality'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the law of all shouldn't be a tool of inequality though, if there's a discrepancy to common sense in it, then it should be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'the person in power will abuse his power and favor his religon, much like how the Romans did. you had to follow what your empeorer believed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pepole won't ever be perfect and maybe what they create either, math is pretty stable though, but what they consider to be the law should at least try to be perfect'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'how do you fix a situation where one party says : " We have a divine right to do so"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, put all people in the same amount of power like democracy, that can be moved towards'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course if you give one man control of them all, he'll want to make sure he always has a similar level of influence to veto their will in his favour'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove the common sense about this decision, and acknowledge the democratic arguements and show why they are false sort of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'you have a point there, though even a group of people would abuse their power (eg: The church during the Dark Ages)'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then have a vote'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it says in the bible isn't much of a arguement, was it the psychology of a man or of god writing the laws of the bible's nation?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'common sense is relative word, we might not share the same cup of tea as to what is common sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just consider it as a history book sometimes, so probably a man when moses says man can buy his way out of punishment if he's a master and not a slave'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'psychology of a man'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is wrong, the world does not sympathise with the intolarant muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sympathize with muslims to some extent'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in their land, for instance, to not be muslims is to be a scapegoat or a death penalty'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they don't have much of a choice in what they believe, and if they choose even the wrong type of muslim to be, the same thing happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but when they go to a land where they can choose and then try and take that choice away from others, i see that as a problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'islam is a disease'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'deport the muslims from the middle east back to the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i went to school with a pakistani named muhammed (strangely enough, just a normal name though), and one day walked home from school with him to his apartment, and through the door i seen his mothers hair - and that cause his father to become extremely aggressive'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was like 8 years old, so obviously he's the type who would like canada to become pakistan'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not his son though, he was just ordinary'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there was a pakistani girl in class who would pick scabs on her hands so she would bleed, wearing one of those head scarves she loathed everybody around her who had nothing on their heads, and knew she didn't fit in like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i imagine her parents said that's how it is, nevermind the infidels who are your enemy, or similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslims force the females to cover themelves because the muslim females are eyesores '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't like most of them either, but i didn't have to wear a religious garment to school'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that was in fort macmurray alberta, where i grew up a little - lots of immigrants there working on their foreign oilsands projects and stuff, i hear it hasn't changed much from somebody who lives there - i think it's a consequence of allowing oil monopoly to choose your immigration policy, as they say how come you tell which muhammed is on the driver's liscence of the taxi cab?  they're all named muhammed and all from somalia - but occassionally even in those extremist mistakes, they have an ordinary kid like the muhammed i went to school with'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and not all muslims are lunatics with superstitious beliefs, and some keep their beliefs to themselves and aren't any more oppressive than a catholic'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or anybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how did Sale, Morocco gets it's name?  i read on the news that it's leader's quite the tyrant, human trafficking etc, political killings, fears only Allah - alot different than the tourist attraction they make it sound like in hollywood'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like cbc news informing the canadians that mexico is still a safe place to go on vacation at, with all the mass-graves and stuff like that, no problem - have a suntan and some beer, but don't mingle with the locals or your might never come back'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who wants to go on tourism in a place where the people would kill you if you weren't within the non-organized criminal resort?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of people i guess, i even know some, i guess it's a nice place to go on tourism - the undertone's still there though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does the united nations monitor the chemical companies who flourish in mozambique, which has the highest mortality rate and lowest quality of life on earth, according to what i read?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of animals do they use to experiment their new products on?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they do, i don't think their 5 member security council would see any problem with progress'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's not all that black though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here they say 'genocide!  call to arms, we cannot let this atrocity continue', but in africa , they apparently don't have much of an advanced military like the evil military's of the people they're focused on, and would possibly be relatively cheap to avert in comparison to those other places - there seems to be something beyond the human suffering that they're interested in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read, africa has lots of resources, water and food and stuff is all possible, along with work and decent communities - but they let the charity's collect more money, use the taxes to fight against the more heavily armed devil's of the world, and don't explain why human suffering in a heavily armed nation is more relevant than human suffering in a place with maybe more resources to exploit and less amount of weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody's maybe not getting their righteous cut of the proceeds or immunity to local government'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they probably have in africa'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come those evolution scientists will cordon off the serengeti nature reserve to preserve biodiversity and evolutionary expedition, but they won't even mention the albino white negro's being slaughtered for witchcraft in Tanzania?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that nature reserve is property of a austrian or danish person'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it something else besides witchcraft, like racism and black african denial of the white race?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there was an evolutionary link between african to white, maybe those albino's are part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could just be random though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they breed albino lions so they can have some nice exotic rugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people breed albino humans so they can have good luck in politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're ever interested in some strageness, check out the remake of the movie 'The Fog', somewhere near the middle a girl has an episode of Jeopardy on her television, and the answer he gives to the contestants refers to a program called SWIFT which is genocide in africa'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they choose that event, if it was real, in a movie about a group of leprous gypsy's who were killed by the ancestors of the inhabitants of an island being the curse in the movie?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/cu7y2ot'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an excellent article listing known false flag attack'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are just the ones that are proven/declassified'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why exactly do the DHS require 1,400,000,000 rounds of hollowpoint .357 ammunition?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'presumably to ensure peace.. lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shooting up patriots and army vets'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's liberals for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of WW2'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tempted to buy a coupe of ounces of gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is needing a safe to store it in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'don't forget the seeds/fertalizer :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need those'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When asked when the Romney-Ryan ticket would spell out their tax plan to the American public, they replied with "In the light of day"... after the election.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... vote Romney-Ryan because Obama's tax plan won't work. But they won't tell you their own tax plan 'til after the election because if they do, it won't come true!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can tell you the plan: Lower taxes for the rich, borrow until country goes almost bankrupt, bully lenders to continue lending money because otherwise the terrorists win'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard that the solar activity peaks in 11 year cycles and tht insurance companies even build the peaks into earnings cause more accisents hapen in peak times ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'test 1'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what level would be the characters of the lord of the rings here in aardwolf?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'like hm. sauron would be like t9+zillion'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lv 150 or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe 160'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'sauron?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'he was the main badass. invincible shapeless .. god.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sauron isn't the god'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, no but'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caprino: 'arwen was pretty bad ass'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sauron is just an underling of melkor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and i crushed melkor already'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so he's probably like lv 160'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'nothing beats your sober logic:)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's an area called angband already btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can crush melkor too!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'but debating is about emotions, principals, convincing power. id say you killed the fake-melkor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that crazy Panetta person is beating the wardrums again'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what was the division of the nazi's who handled the labour death camps called?  the known gulag boss in russia has the gulag dedicated to that service'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jan Napolitano?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody thinks of all russian military's as the gulag, they don't even think of the gulag do they often?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indeed, the first memorial to holodomor victims appeared in montreal in 1980's'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, edmonton*'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were pretty secretive nation, still are though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whereas germany was proud of it's publicized gulag-equivalents and showed video footage of their actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Stalin himself was sent to Gulag several times before he became the leader over there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't go back in time and make sure that stalin and hitler existed in the first place, and then monitor their thought patterns of all of their administrations and their allies like bernard shaw, for signs of what really happened in the minds of their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You're not the only one who can't go back in time'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'Time travel IS possible. I'll explain later.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'We're all traveling together into the future.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonders why you're obsessed with that though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think history repeats itself, and what they don't mention seems too large to miss'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've got fema camps being set up in the USA ready for all the republicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's capable of it anyways, like i'll have another smoke, even though it kills me and tastes like shit, i'm calloused to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what, addictions come in many forms'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps i'd best rephrase that, for all the army vets, patriots, constitutionalists and libertarians'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's that farm bill they're talking about?  Is that the one that buys up all the livestock farmers can't feed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to bbc news, in 1990's 600,000 rwandan's were murdered in 100 days, and their killers weren't punished - that'sw hy i mentioned the scene in the movie 'The Fog' (remake), it mentions genocide in africa strangely out of context of the rest of the movie'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so who planned that to happen like it did?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's quite a few people, 6000 homicides a day'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 600 which is it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've killed maybe 80 chickens in a single day when butchering, i imaginet hey had more than 1 person handling that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the intelligence services in my glorious country have dictated that anyone who doesn't use Facebook is a potential terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which of course means that I've just deleted my account in protest'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '6000 a day, but that's assuming a constant death flow.  Since everyone has to get around and round folk up and organize shit, they probably killed more less frequently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just facebook?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the only social media i had, evne though i rarely if ever used it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool, we're in the clear then.  Back to touting the rout, boys!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were aware that they Facebook were working with a variety of governments for the facial-recognition login system'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tying it into advertising and special offers with corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, and did you know Google's doing the same things?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, which is why i refuse to use google for personal use, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Google's far more worrisome, because they power just about anything online now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google and Facebook are largely directed by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were both funded startups by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't even have to be a google product.  Almost everyone has this aversion to reinventing the wheel, so someone comes along with a really awesome thing that does what they're looking to do and they use that instead.  Google's moreorless a classic virus now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's a staggering miscarriage of justice that Google were only fined $27mil for stealing peoples passwords and invading peoples' privacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should have been jailed for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'facial recognition system testing could be used on something like DoDAAM's automated gun turret system that distinguishes targets using ai'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the surveillance grid that they've set up here, and are setting up in some major US cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think it's not already?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently on bbc news article 'robot south korea prison', america has that in 3 of it's universities, and maybe exported to algeria too.. the technology , maybe not the concept of automated security checkpoints'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't be having security checkpoints at all, much less automated ones'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'If they're just now deploying it in the civilian sector, it's a safe bet they've had it for the past 25 years in the military/intelligence sector.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DARPA maintains proofs-of-concept out to like 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'machines don't care about what they kill, humans are more reluctant, like that iraqi general in texas seemed to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ordered to do something against his own understanding and belief'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to worry about it, when people refuse to accept the obvious, you realise you've got bigger more immediate problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'machines understandings are just math problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything is a math problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is not a math problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting people to realise civil liberties and freedoms, privacy, and freedom of speech are kinda vital'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a maths problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't see an issue with governments recording everything you say and do on the internet and trawling it for possible infractions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that government is planning legislation to require everyone to have a unique internet ID so that their activity can be pinpointed and any trangressions punished with permanent exclusion from the INternet'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that they will tax all internet traffic'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's ok, you have nothing to hide, and besides, don't run - government is your friend!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same government that hires paedophiles to do strip searches at airports, has lesbian bondage rings at the very top of the doj, and covers up the pimping of children in penn state uni, rewarding the cover-upper with a cushy government job'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'normal acceptable behaviour in a modern society, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot the ACORN nuts.  How to claim taxes your child prostitutes, according to government-funded agencies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes me permanently angry to think about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'normal is what you can get away with, not what you think most members would do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't help'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when Tigernuts said there is "nothing wrong there", then the above was obviously "praise and admiration" for the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was sarcasm, wouldn't expect you to get that if you're american'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only trawling it for possible infractions, once the law changes then they'll bring up things not illegal in the past but stored in a database for the future law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'internet's only about 17 exobytes large, and they have computers now that can address more than that much memory'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and discovering context costs too much money probably, this is a great tool for discovering foes of stalin's grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they spend more money policing people's opinion's and powerless expressionisms than they do on making the prison system inhabitable even for the children of the rich, shows where their priorities are to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and all these background experiments, need scientists to monitor what science people don't know is happening, and eyes to watch what's going on with it, they thought they were just playing a game.. little did they know uncle sam had a few millions invested in watching the participants'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know about all that, republicans seem to like to cut social services, but claim democrats like to make flawed systems of social services, save some money and cut social services or maybe cut something else?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'id still like to see the report on where all that money canada donated to somalia went last year, they doubled the donation of any canadian citizenship (which corporations are individuals possibly, and dual citizens etc, gaddafi's son owning condo's in toronto) who donated money to them through a charity with taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reading in the comments on a 2 mil aid to syria, some figure it's a CIA front for rebel funding , could be - then why not explain the dynamics to the democracy tax-payer who's money's being misled to medicine for refugees and instead going to armed combat'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a "bill of attainder" is illegal in Canadian Law with regard to acts done before those acts were declared illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty good then, it seems the government can overthrow their bills and legislations and constitutions at will though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is incompetent at rabble-rousing  (but maybe that is the intention -- incompetent inept agent-provocateur toadling)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just know that somewhere along the line i'm talking to the people i consider, and asking them what their game is all about - i don't expect anybody to follow me or anything like that, otherwise i'd be more weary'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yep, toadling Chemosh said "the government can overthrow their bills and legislations and constitutions at will" -- traitorous toadling selling out civil rights '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's an expectation of mine, not guaranteed but still possible - like they find an american citizen in thailand writing blasphemous remarks about the king through his cell phone, sentenced to 8 yeras in prison - but a politician accidentally shoots his aid with a submachine gun in the gut and is too in shock to take her to the hospital, so he faces at most 10 years in prison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sometimes considering the kind of priority they staple to their own ego and that they staple to human life (with a stapler)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a few years ago a man in kuwait said a controversial sharia opinion of his in the newly death penalty blasphemy sunni government, which then tried to kill him for the evidence collected before the change of law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'do not listen to Chemosh (the language of the toadling is a bad sellout)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not sharia, what are they called, sunni.. not sufi but that other one'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'staplers are weaksauce.  Better to do it with a nailgun.  Use small enough nails and the other guy's all "Oww! What the fuck did you do that for?!" instead of dropping dead because a metal spike just thrashed part of his brain.  And, if the guy then decides to attack you, he's unarmed and you've got a ranged weapon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'selling out civil rights?  it was in the canadian law that the canadian wheat board can't be dismantled without the approval of a majority of it's representatives, and they had over 60% say no to dismantling it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no doubt, it was me and not the government, all my fault damn'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then the supreme court sees the side of the civil liberty's and law written there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'mindless electorate' as they say on canadian business politics on ctv news'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they might be in danger of being a anti cult of personality member of government, which is against the law according to an article issued about the canadian environmental agency and civil servants'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not even on their own free time can they not support their democratically elected government, with a large amount of allegations of vote rigging'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they voted for the other guy, like some of the taxes that pay their government paycheques did'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and a us marine being dishonorably discharged from 9 years of serving his country, for placing his opinion of obama on his facebook page'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that a bit odd?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet he took most of his orders too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'facebook is obviously a classified military operation that has nothing to do with non-government interactions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watching for terrorist threats and dissent is important, but what constitutes either?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll add to that as they see profitable'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were you on my friend list boss?  then how come the court allows you to use what you read against me?  does facebook secure my account from unwanted eyes by default, or does the majority unignorant have to set that up themselves, and even that's out of reach?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some of the "damage" is done by by esl-esque toadlings that "affirm the evils" (with extrapolation, and in false sarcasm) instead of using proper language to (criticise and) dispel the evils'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you have a search warrant at the time you read these posts, boss?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how did you know where to find me?  is the engineering of consent privacy policy explicitly upholding of my anonymous liberties, or do i have to read the fine print and criminal code?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're posting things to the world on the Internet and you expect someone to need a search warrant?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how did they know where to find you? the entire POINT of facebook is that you're advertising yourself to be found'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this world here is composed of 500 characters'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most of which are on Facebook. :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you don't even comprehend the point of facebook, then you've lost the case already'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you post a blog on blogger, wordpress, etc, it'll be visible as well. Why only harp on facebook?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why have government agencies dedicated to expounding every interaction of humans with the internet?  and why do they make little quirks like, until recently, the ignorant laptop user could be viewed remotely by any webserver hosting a flash application'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government obviously does it's job when people don't know about them breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where was macromedia's search warrant i wonder'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You could ALWAYS right-click and turn off Flash's access to webcam/microphone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hey stupid computer user, buy a computer it's fun, everybody's doing it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no search warrants required access to every detail of your existance'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm talking to you, no no, i'm talking to your friends on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the kgb and cia and mossad and whatever else stasi, the pap test police etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You know, I'm surprised you stick around this game.  Sorry, this DARPA-sponsored weapons research text... thingy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm too boring for them though, thankfully'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You'd think a man of such keen intellect would choose a game with less military involvement.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'until recently, it was on be default, and to turn it off you had to visit advanced options on their website'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could always, like they bring up what i say now tomorrow, they break the law then and change the defaults now'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, nothing to see here, we're good people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an interesting "Darpa-esque" project may be to convert the language of complainers to a language of praising the government -- somewhat worked with Tigernuts and Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in service of my country, 'true patriot love, in all thy sons command''
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody else see a problem beyond non-kamikaze warfare in the governments of the world not addressing the 'where is the arctic ice' kind of problems and pollution that apparently exists in the world, seriously?  money's such an object that they make more if it from separating a cell phone, a laptop, a video camera, a still image camera and a gps device, for instance, but they prefer to competitively bundle it all into one gadget'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what kind of excuses do they actually have, money being no object, for not experimenting with the alternatives that scientists and entrepeneurs have discovered?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently in the 1950's they had electric vehicles that could travel 50 mph, which wasn't too far off of the gasoline engines typical then'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that new york lightbulb, burning for over 100 years now, thought of changing this one i have 4x - they make some alright brands now though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is gold really more important than the water table the people rely on for life?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some places that seems to have been an issue, like mexico and argentina'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the seagal movie where they're dumping toxic waste into the mountain river system'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fire down below or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was no arctic ice sheet as long as i've been alive, it's a relatively expendable natural phenomenon, which has nothing unpredictable about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is wrong on arctic ice (which is not "expendable")'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in as little as 10-20 years they expect there to be 'one whole day' of an iceless arctic ocean'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil der panzerprogress?  stalin's reformation of nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i try and make fun of it anyways, even though it's not very funny'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canadian anti-smoking advocates urge plain packaging laws http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/15/tobacco-plain-packaging-laws-canadian-reaction.html '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Tobacco companies say current labelling laws infringe on rights  -- kind of serious i guess, but the rights of the tobacco company and government's indication that it's a plant and not the chemicals and things added to it that kill people seem questionable to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you mean doubling the dosage of 'toxic constituents' doesn't result in a increased mortality rate japanese 2005 study handed to congress in america, who deliberated it for 5 months before passing it into effect, according to nihl.gov - has nothing 'jim jones flavour aid' cult leader to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yessir, smoking kills, not giving specifics on that one'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they wouldn't be killed as fast if they didn't poison them to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'current laws on restricted controlled substances also infringe on rights - so what'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't there a difference between controlled substances, and adding cyanide and things, in double dosages (2005) to consummable products sold to the public?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're allowed to go around and say you died cause you drank water, instead of cause i added this to the water, then what aren't you allowed to do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'population controlling canada and stuff like that, it's smallest population on the largest area of land obviously requires subversive merdger techniques'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if tobacco companies were actually competing with one another, maybe one would point to their product and say we didn't lace this with double dosages of non-mortality rate death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your death will be purely because of a biologically produced plant on fire or in your lip'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they're trying to horrify some people away from it, but the question remains of why they don't explain to the public these things'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come jim jones was a bad cult leader, didn't he practice the darkness of suicide as a group with his cult members?  they never knew if there actually was poison in the drink'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they died of something  :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''i'm the government population controller, killing people through their own free will, because tobacco products result in death and i just made that more real' fear my pictures as i sell you the death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, what're they up to'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not sure what you are moaning about -- the labeling or the contents or the lack of competition (seriously, you saying you want them to compete (instead of going bankrupt) - sick) -- changing topics too fast -- (seems you are suffering from verbal diarrhea caused by lack of answers)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while it might be of some curiosity what killed them, it really makes no difference to the dead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were competing then they would be trying to make their customers live longer'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why? people breed like rabbits :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not cause a japanese congressman in america said doubling the dosage of cyanide and strictnine or whatever kind of radioactive lead 235 they put into tobacco doesn't result in increased mortality rate, we should go with the standard industry'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh praising Jim Jones -- that is a low'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not praising him, i'm comparing him to this government phenomenon, they see similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nope, dissimilar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you find them distinctly different?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, seems drugs and alcohol fried your comprehension'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'personal insults is why they're different, amen'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i must be on the mk-ultra lsd project'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's called Mockingbird...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chemical warfare on their own citizens, isn't that odd'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is cyanide and things added to tobacco, that is the real killer, not considered tools of the trade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is obvious that there was more to the Jones incident that they are letting on, had he not died (and I have no proof of that) I would have thought that it was a plot to get rid of  a senator...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and tobacco companies, they're competing for more greedy money, so they kill the people who give it to them?  interesting japanese consensus on mortality rates deliberated for 5 months, now the standard on whatever smokes you may see in the store - compared to that same brand from 8 years ago or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet you all know at least one person who smokes cigarettes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the (republican) congressmen in the USA are blatant liars -- the japanese congressman is also a liar -- the "japanese" part does not justify the lies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it a bitch that, it's a tobacco plant and not the government that maybe their real killer?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they did it themselves, you can buy rat poison in the store, they just added it to tobacco.. every single brand'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'kill the smokers faster -- that is a good policy '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, aspartame is rat poison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you see wrong with inhaling smoke from a plant that grows out of the earth?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cyanide used to be too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It tastes good and fills you up, so you don't eat nutrients'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cyanide is just the anion CN-'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The goal is to fill food with GMOs and aspartame so you eat, and yet still starve'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something punishable by death, for some unperceived concept of god of yours, or eugenics evolution theories/'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It causes hosts of health problems, which carries the whole insurance complex and Big Pharm'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there used to be a forest and smoke was inhaled from it's burning, now that all the trees are gone, we are pure breeds'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so smoking doesn't make all the sense in the world, which is a machine of hell, which causes people to cope with stress somehow, and smoking is one of those'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the secondhand smoke pollutes others nearby -- smoking kills, so smokers are murderers and thus smokers deserve to be euthanised asap'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that means the government should kill them through their own habitual coping mechanisms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brave New Soma: 'drivers kill too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what if there are no others nearby?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a nonsmoker, i "cope" with stress jut fine -- in fact there is no stress here, or minimal stress, ah no stress   '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'healthy body, healthy mind, and no stress'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, was it tobacco from the secondhand smoke mostly, or what was added to it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really Zela'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your food, water, and air are all poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Even if you don't deliberately poison yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the competitive tobacco industries should have been evaluating their market strategy's if less deadly second hand smoke was a factor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you can have a healthy body and be mentally ill'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is a liar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong denial'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'read about Monsanto and Bill Gates buying all the seeds to lace them with termination genes and GMO'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'read about water fluordiation, chemtrails, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'eat a paleo diet'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Raw/paleo does help mitigate cell damage'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and all those additives are not as annoying and as dangerous as secondhand smoke'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Second-hand smoke can be avoided by...exhaling and not breathing'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, what makes second hand smoke dangerous then'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the toaster?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Canola oil is a gmo success story'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All our shit is poisoned.  Plastic has BPA, lotions have parabens, list goes on...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if all our shit is poisoned, then why doesn't the population of victims vote 'no confidence' in the people who made it so, including themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and yet secondhand smoke is far more dangerous (and annoying!)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'howver much of a percentage of control a individual has over their own contribution to toxic society'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I agree with you Zela, but we can avoid it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, the newest generation is so poisoned by vaccines and shit right following birth, that their cognitive functions are impaired'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Basically, they dumb you down when you're born so you never see the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not do simple if the arsehole upwind is smoking in his house'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the guy farts in his house, the smrll carries downwind'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'fan the "chemtrails" away'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do you drive a gas fueled car?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and there are patents for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in the legend of heru behutet, that the referred to 'the west' as the land of the dead, even maybe 3500 years ago - i wonder why'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or use coal generated electricity?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine their west was maybe a little different though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if so youre a hipocrite, but i can agree that subjecting people to secondhand cigarette smoke does make you an asshole,'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof -- do not add to the evils"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i'm around children or non-smokers, i go away from them when i smoke cigarettes, even around smokers i go out of my way to not blow it into their face'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'some people rely on wood burning stoves to survive, and they get lung cancer as well'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'no they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also conceal my cigarette so that children don't subliminally 'monkey see, monkey do' accumulative from my contribution'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The ash is carcinogenic...empty the damn stove'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea i dont smoke in front of kids, even around a campfire, '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the amount of pollution from woodburning stoves is likely miniscule compared to the damage a chainsmoker does'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not if you use one everyday, to cook like many third world nationals'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'e-cig it up to avoid the tar and additives'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you are subject to a smoker in the house, im not defending them though, that is very wrong imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'this is pre-assuming properly burning woodfueled stoves -- not the horrid polluting stoves'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i would have had kids i probably would have abstained from smoking and other similar caveats while they grew up, most parents don't though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise i'd see myself like i seen my parents, i'm doing this, don't do it cause it's bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society kind of nuked the line of right and wrong in the last 20 years though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things just seem alot different than my growing mind remembers them'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not society - society just follows the programming'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'society is far more educated these days -- right and wrong far more advanced'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dunno about that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'sucks to be uneducated'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We hit the apex - now we're on the downward part of the sine curve'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is deluded'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Turn a TV on for 5 minutes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Illuminati-saturated music videos, Kim Kardashian, 16 And Pregnant'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Those are the values inculcated to the new generation'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Instant-gratification, don't work, expect instant limbic positive'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'pleasure = good, hurt = bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'TV crap is not where the advances are'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're reducing us to our animal instincts'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A 6 year old doesn't know any better'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We can watch it and see it for what it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is a troll'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong delusion'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Go look and see what 8-14 year olds kids do nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'ain't playin Barbies and catch'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he drank Chemosh's koolaid'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'what a horrible koolaid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it packs a punch'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's a focal degradation of society, and it's turning people into pleasure-seeking animals.  Why? Just give them TV and McDonald's and they're satisfied'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The scholastic level of...everything...has fallen notably in just 2 decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it seems plenty of people think they are smart, and maybe they are in their own ways - or actually are, but often they seem to not have much insight into their beliefs like real education and things should be giving them'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '-- Aldous Huxley  - Yes, the Tavistock agent that wrote Brave New World'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of a nerve agent conspiracy theory, that i looked up on nihl.gov, where the government actually hired civilian couples to attend a experiment, where tehy were administered this substance, and made to watch their significant other being humiliated and tortured, evaluating whether their response was sharper or duller compared with pain to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'sounds neat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the conspiracy person obviously seen that it was real before mentioning it, and i looked it up and it seemed like the kind of science people remember 'josef mendele' for performing'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they have their reasons for it though, and maybe they're not quite that evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Milgram Experiment"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'people cede to authority over whatever ostensive morals they hold'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps "Aldous Huxley" in bookform was the forerunner of the crap seen on TV these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think a persons morals and beliefs are pretty important, authority should be accepted by their real ones in a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Foreshadowing, Zela.  It's all a plan they've been bringing into action step by step, over decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's predictive programming'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is incoherent again'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't agree that the authority of a democracy, should be democratically agreeable with it's members own values?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess those values might be missing in the brave new world after all, i find things like that questionable, even if you can't comprehend me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said: "..., authority should be accepted by their real ones in a democracy" <-- reads as incoherent (/trolling) nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real beliefs and real morals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, we're supposed to be a republic, not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is esl'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and republic means without a monarch in part, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems to be what they called british territories who became independent'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's weird though, comparing the 'civil law' and 'federal actions', if you were to go out and detain some people from the street, maybe with the allure of some kind to your residence, and then conduct torture tests of a new drug on them and their friends for some money, 'BSDM' becoming normal, you might be seen as a menace to society - but on the other hand, according to that website i seen, the government does just that, and are the system the menaces are judged by'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it seems strange to me, this weird distinguished form of crime and punishment'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They do it because the sheeple deny the truth, which is hiding in the open'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds like you're reading a bunch of trash - check out vigilantcitizen.com and naturalnews.com to start'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are plenty of reputable, erudite, underground sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but then i get my ip added to their log files and they tie my own musings to those sources and label me with somebody elses intention'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i might be a asshole and extremely offensive sometimes, but it's not really how i am'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You undermine yourself dude'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i give them what they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bad data renders you implausible'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if 9 things were on point, but the 10th is off, it will all be rejected'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that nerve agent study on a conspiracy site maybe like yours, and then looked it up on nihl.gov, which is america's scientific medical research website, and it was there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't bookmark it or add to a bag of goodies, otherwise i'd have that link on tobacco too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen them both though, some thing's i'm honestly interested in'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anybody reading this: read those two sites'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'echoes of McCarthyism'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...ironically, McCarthy was right'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The history books are rewritten to fabricate a fantasy, and sell it to you as reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'McCarthy was a liar and a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You think we were in the Middle East looking for weapons of mass destruction? Nuclear weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the only country that's used nuclear weapons EVER, twice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'depleted uranium shells pollute '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We are the bad guys, or rather our government is - they use their propaganda and other TV distractions to get us to support their actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We bomb a fucking hospital or orphanage, but then TV shows "angry terrorists attacking armed forces"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'USA USA USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The people of the United States are the most dangerous enemy, which is why they go to such lengths to ensure that we don't wake up to the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The rest of the world sees it, but can't do anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The people that can do something are lulled into perpetual sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the biggest weapons of mass destruction/biological terrorism i culd fathom from their expediency there, aside from mustard gas that apparently hussein used on his own people before, is a flu strangely resembling the H1N1 that they bioengineered a modification to on the media in the last 6 months, controversially studying it in open science journals - and arrival of american soldiers home in washington or d.c military hospital, who were contaminated with a illness (flu), which spread to the public'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ir ead about that on ABC news, 2007 maybe, around there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, there were numerous expeditionary forces to Alaska'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To search for a cadaver that had a strain of the 1911 or so old flu pandemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They found the body, used Oracle virus-optimizing software (this is what Oracle really does), and synthesized H1N1'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The real point of H1N1 wasn't to bioengineer a deadly virus - it was to create a pretext for people to take the vaccine, which was the true poison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the h1n1 vaccine came out in the 70s...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know american's don't clean up their leftovers after military campaigns, there's some contaminating northern canada 'cold war' and other places, i read of children getting sick from handling debris in iraq too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh great, the Cuckoo Triumvirate has become A Quartet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps the true vaccine Abelinc, but now they use vaccines as an excuse to get access to your body'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'trinamic trio'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bury your head in the sand, but you're still visible, much as an ostrich'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'from which country is DosseT trolling from'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You wish it were trolling'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is cyclical'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I use rohypnol.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(to access your body)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'floories?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wrong building component'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think you mean ceilingies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it is true that parts of a person's body can be "copywrighted" by someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'copyrighted'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The truth is ridiculed, until a saturation point is reached, at which point "obviously" everyone knows it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they were modified, yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'including those very same who outright rejected it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'ceilingies? i thought they made you hit the floor..'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thanks Ol' Dirty Fiendish heartily.
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'apparently they make you hit the roof'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then, when you bounce back, you hit the floor :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'no.. thats crystal meth'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it would be a function of the ceiling's elasticity :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they cannot own your body parts just because you lucked out in the gene lottery'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Zela, I'm from the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I presume you are too - take back your country'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they can take our body parts, but they can never take...OUR FREEDOOOMMMMMMM'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wrong, Hanslanda. They can actually obtain patents on you genes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is case law already.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard in a documentary, possibly on genghis khan, that in singapore they have a collection of DNA samples which showed them over 27 million direct descendants of his genetics'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they do seem to develop alot of strange patents and things down there, possibly every blood test and medical sample you ever had taken has a copy stores there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, old Genghis screwed like a rabbit :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I saw, I conquered, I came.  A lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I think you dribbled, Hanslanda :>>>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched another documentary (on ordinary television) about patents on genetics being owned majority by 3 corporations that split from a nazi corporation after world war 2, however they figured this out, 2/3s of the human genome is patented by them and a couple other companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say our genetics are pretty similar, around 95% to that of primates though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think the people with the patents invented the primates'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'OH GOD NOT PRIMATES'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've been gone 9 days...anybody miss me farting on debate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about the number of corps of the percentage of the gnome, but yes, they can do that, and do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for a guy with a huge piece of land who supposed lives off it, you sure do have a lot of time to watch documentaries.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the government allows patents like that, then there's a problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I assume you mean NHPs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or NHOs'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think so anyways, just seems odd that some institution on earth has to have a patent saying they own the intellectual property that your body is'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dirkdiggler diarrhea is not on ignore here yet -- simple to fix'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's just one step - the next is for the corporate/government complex to tell you you don't own yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they gain the "right" by merely discovering the gene.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And then you have an excuse for eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler spits on himself...what a sicko!
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, i don't think that would give me the right to say i own something'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't own yourself, DosseT :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when that something happens to be a living entity'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would think so, Chemosh, but as I said, the courts side with the discoverers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, them courts should be overhauled then, shouldn't they?  such a democracy of intellectual patents we are'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wtf is democracy? Wake up and smell the burning bush :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about to'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even in Athens democracy didn't work very well. Since only a privileged few got to be democratic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a republic is worse because only landowners get to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and lawnmowers'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that too :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the very democratic US of A has its presidents elected by the states.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the states are the landowners :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yes, we live in the USSA'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i know what i like (in my wardrobe)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's what I said is true for any republic, it's just funny that most republics called themselves democratic, almost an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like most republics are hijacked'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How the caesars took Rome'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, they are not really. What happens is that if they didn't sugar coated it, the serfs might revolt :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I beg your pardon, DosseT. There was only one Caesar and he got murdered before he did anything to Rome :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'caesar as a title'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, Caesar was murdered because he violated Roman law.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, "caesar" was the nickname of Gaeus Iulius :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what roman law'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, when Caesar was made an Imperator by the Senate. That game him total power to make decisions in the name of Rome. By law he could only exercise this power outside of Rome. Once you are made an Imperator you must exit via the Janus gate and never come back to Rome. You are made an exile. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that gave him*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'czar and caesar are title's aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like khan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i thought, julius caesar, like genghis khan, meaning basically the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the purpose of Imperators were to operate outside Rome and in the name of Rome, but they had such power that if they returned they could overthrow the government. Hence the were made exiles.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Romans were named as followed: Clan, Name, Nickname. The nickname was used to differentiate two or more individuals within the same clan that had the same name. "Caesare" meant "the hairy one". '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'which book of romanised myth tales is that story from'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not pro on Rome, but Tiberius Gracchus set the stage for much of the political upheaval'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, Caesar is credited with the unification/destruction'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But they found a way to take Rome from the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is why a "ceasarean section" is called so, it was (originally) a cut across the pubic hair.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Gracchus Marx is reminscent of a comedian'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, maybe that was his real name :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'However, in private Nicholas expressed his admiration for the mobs, viewing anti-Semitism as a useful tool for unifying the people behind his regime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia that's a neat figure i haven't seen on history tv in documentary, seems like a powerful guy in his own day, 'czar romanov''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'xenophobia is a crowd pleaser, no doubt :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder sometimes where anti-semitism originated in germany'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't attest to the claims of historians writing about this nicholas or wikipedia though, i'll probably remember that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I feel sorry for the first aliens we meet if they can't kick our ass :) They are dead meat... DMOA :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are from Bernard's World, huh? Ok, boys, kick his ass!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we don't want some green-skinned commie pink-o freak walking around here :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In the last Orthodox Russian monarch and members of his family we see people who sincerely strove to incarnate in their lives the commands of the Gospel. In the suffering borne by the Royal Family in prison with humility, patience, and meekness, and in their martyrs deaths in Yekaterinburg in the night of 17 July 1918 was revealed the light of the faith of Christ that conquers evil. -- so here maybe he wasn't such a bad guy, getting sainted and all - the church charging people with blasphemy in modern days for political reasons seems odd though'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Chemosh in the face with a fish.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's still a secretive state, maybe not all corrupt though in it's history, or even as bad as some things can indicate in the present'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you possibly have a government that is not corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if my own government appears shanty sometimes, i can't expect somebody elses to be honest with me'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government that fears the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People who wield power reluctantly, not with relish'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is guaranteed that at least one member of the government will take some advantage of his position.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once one member crosses the line, the government is corrupt by definition :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't happen, cuz we're hooked on the fiat system'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You flash the cash, and someone will step up to sell out'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one wields power reluctantly. They might wield it  conservatively, or carefully, or gently, but never reluctantly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course they do - they just don't choose politics as a profession'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'politics is not the only way to wield power, in fact, some might say that politics is a cover for those who wield  power. Those who see are just puppets.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we see*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, you mean theory vs. reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the reality is that no one who is powerful is reluctant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'reluctance would seem to be a character flaw that would cause the wielder to lose that which he wields. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'becuase, it is sure as hell, that the other powerful guy will beat the crap out of the reluctant one if he doesn't get his act in gear :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctant not as a native character trait, but reluctant in choosing to use it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Study MBTI'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Some are ego-motivated, some are not'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but that would only work if everyone who had power were reluctant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every living thing is ego-motivated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Though rationals can see one of the former making a move to usurp'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you gain more support and security if your power courses through the veins of your actual power than if it's absent and is reluctant by default, because it doesn't believe in you'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, name one living thing that isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about that on some black sun/white sun austrian philosophy a little'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It becomes addictive to the point of recklessness'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctance to wield power still evolves to use of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It just starts 2 steps back'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and so the others are going to wait for the reluctant one to get into gear? You don't understand power. The others will have the guy for lunch.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and take his power away :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctance in wielding it.  Station should only be used as a last resort'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other resources should be used before you drop the "I'm the King/CEO/manager/whatever"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are the jokester, DosseT :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You listen to someone that says, "I'm your new CEO?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How J-type'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like a nation, composed of biodiversity and several channels of power who are wieleded by the man with 'the power', should be more than that single man in his philosophy taking his orders and lost without his guidance, and should understand what he's about and support him because they understand his reasons for their orders, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then no single person is seen as invaluable while all of his power is expended'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and while he is telling you that he is your new CEO, you decide to go to the head, at which time he reluctantly fires you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point was that you don't respect someone because of their station'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's maybe less jealously like that, because they understand that they are all powerful'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'respect is not  the same thing as worship :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Power wielders wield power in a bid to garner respect'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fear tactics'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Might makes Right only works for a while'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the CEO demands is total abasement. Personally, he can go fuck himself :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the way those in charge want you to behave toward them has nothing to do with what they are in charge of (pardon the dangling preposition).'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Course it does'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chances are if you have an unanswered question, ponderance or speculation, driving a uncomfortable assumption - others do too, don't you think?  what keeps them unsatisfied, when the problem is a human problem and not a natural problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'C-level runs middle management - so he needs to influence them to get the results he needs, or the Board fires him'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I can't go to the bathroom while the CEO is in the room?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can have a new guy flashin the badge, and we know what happens with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are polite and respectful, you say "excuse me, sir, but I have to take a shit". So he fires you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the analogy doesn't extend that far'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so he wouldn't fire you in that situation?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd like to understand what exactly is needed to be kept secret in a government to maintain actual stability within itself and foreigners'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't be axed for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems that they make alot of decisions without consulting the public'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'thank the liberals...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you say so :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which is why the analogy fails'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But yes, someone could draw sword and slay'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in a democracy, if it affects them in anyway, and spending the money their taxes are taken for is one way, they should be consulted - so the gray area should be determined, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people have been fired because the boss didn't like the way they were dressed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But to what end? Fear tactics? That just engenders hatred'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and being fired because you had to go to the bathroom instead of adoring the CEO is not that far-fetched.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If the CEO fires you for going to the bathroom, why were you hired?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Forget about democracy, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No one wants to waste time hiring people just to fire them - its a waste of effort and money'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a nation's more secure when it's members have faith in their own survival, regardless of sloppy administration'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was hired to do some work according to a job description that didn't include kissing anyone's ass.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and they fired you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't seem to me that the average citizen has the same level of comprehension and evaluatory faculties that their leaders have'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, not me :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nope, sometimes the average citizen has /more/'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the information they study, and verify often is limited or unavailable'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A nation's more secure when it's people are independent, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, you could say that only intelligent people get elected but... remember The Bush :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why they make us dependent on the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's = its'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'An educated, able-bodied, INDEPENDENT people far outnumber the gummint, and can string em up'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's a good one, DosseT. What nation would that be?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why they cripple the people so that can't occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't exist anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the criteria, not the details though - those're probably dangerous to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since humanity left the Neolithic, there essentially has been only one type of government. Feudalism. Modern governments are just variants of the same theme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Communities were likely 50 people at the max then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can Might makes Right in that instance'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when it got to 200, the government didn't change. Just got more enforcers to work for them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not to 200, but 4 groups of 50'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then they added more enforcers at 2000, and 200000, and 2000000, and at 200000000'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the game hasn't changed :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There was no way to incentivize selling out earlier'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some countries have kings for life, some country have kings for 4 to 8 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now, you just pay someone a high salary, and someone'll gas the children'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, for the right price someone will do whatever you need.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They created that system so we would become our own enemy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how you manage when the population becomes 20000000 as you say'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you sound as if once it was different :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was small tightly-knit communities fighting other small tightly-knit communities'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once they assimilated and got larger and larger, it became looser'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'bigger = liability'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the difference between an autocrat and an elected president is a matter of degree not form :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, but the people are unanimously behind the figure in the former, and are simply behind by circumstance in the latter'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't think a external police force and tax collector was as neccessary when neighbours knew eachother and what was expected of them as a community, there's some lines that shouldn't be crossed and we understand what composes a troublemaker, that's not handled by a stranger for us'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Case in point, if I don't vote, someone still represents me to the rest of the world (POTUS)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Unanimously?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those communities almost inevitably occur though, and are consumed by the type we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I would argue that in hunter gatherer communities of <50 people, it was generally unanimous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Interlopers would either desert, or would be killed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once that community absorbs 4 more communities, you have 5 former leaders vying for power'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but hunter-gatherer communities are autocratic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually you have more than that, since each of the five likely had a nemesis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I agree Anaristos, which is why you could wield power absolutely...within such a small body'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once you get larger, it gets, well...political'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, the paradigm hasn't changed, though, admittedly, it is harder to implement now. But once implemented is self-sustaining. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's always political.  The impact of gaining/losing a friend is much stronger the smaller the community.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an autocrat that formerly ruled 50 and now rules 100 will create a herder force to keep the subjects in line. The idea doesn't change with the numbers, though it will go through some implementation dependant adjustments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I would argue that the 50 were more behind than the 100 as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The larger you get, the more dissenters there are'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the more brutal the autocracy becomes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's where we differ in approach'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'since when are hunter gatherer communities autocratic? they are nicknamed prehistoric communist societies for a reason. the only leadership at all was democratic, as whoever was the best warrior would lead in times of war, and so on. autocracy came with the slave age and the idea of pricate property. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so, Brice. There is no way that 50 people will live together and at least one of the will not try to rule them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if he has to form a coalition '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I took it to mean autocracy by circumstance, not imposed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that doesn't explain how this hunter-gatherer societies became royal families, unless the "democracy" was a temporary setup.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Makes you wonder if democracy was a fabrication of the autocracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and is it only lack of comprehension of the scope of the problem they become that makes them serve that kind of system, or do they think that by serving it them and their families won't become it's victim?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The strongest person always leads. The only difference since cro-magnon times is that the definition of strong has changed. Or maybe not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait, that's the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once two animals get together, one will  try to rule the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm guessing it's a mixture, lack of faith in the comprehension of the no-escape route probably plays a role too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's genetically wired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong now is dictated by the fiat system'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They wanted it that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because now a fat cat can can you, even if you could string them up'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'complice with a social convention does not mean that the drive for supremacy disappears, otherwise there would be no dissenters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Strong now is the person that can get enough others to support him. I don't think it was different 30k years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'maybe in modern times people are power hungry, but in those communities, circumstance forced people to fork together. environmental factors and such. im not arguing for the good of humanity or anything. but for the sake of accuracy, those communities didn'nt have autocracies. those developed with early nations like Egypt, thousands of years ago. go and further forward in time though, and your rule applies nearly 100% of the time. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Ranrr, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i seen a 1970's commercial on self-image that was kind of funny like that, showing how foolish the person who wants to rule another appears when nobody acknowledges his authority - which is possibly by default, but apparently not present in the modern hierarchy of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, Brise, you mean to say that the drive to be the alpha human is a relatively new change in humans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong is the Federal Reserve...they can crash the economy at their whim - I don't know many that support the Fed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'not at all. im saying it wasnt at the front of people's minds during the ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if  you have a community of 50 people, at least one will want to be the alpha.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i feel a subliminal pull draining at my soul sometimes with regard to others, holding them in higher esteem than seems ordinary almost without my own volition, which is naturally induced to resist that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone that voted the last 100 years do, Dosse'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a community of 2, at least one will want to be the alpha.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it is possible that there is some instinctual follower programmed into humans based on my own self-examination, wolves seem to have it too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'yes, but in those communities specificly, being the alpha came second to survival.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a communty of 1, well then, we know who is the alpha :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'its more than possible. its likely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'being the alpha is  a survival trait, Brise.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Are you guessing, or do you have anything to back that statement?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Supported by circumstance isn't supporting by backing'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a species drive for the best specimens to exist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a community is only as strong as its weakest member, to paraphrase a saying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's a little spergy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in uber large communites you can mask that fact, but not in small communities.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So eliminate all the women, and weak men'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And you got yourself a strong 1 man community'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, DosseT, well, not the strong women, they were needed just as much as the strong men. But the weak, they could kiss it good bye.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, women are also needed for their wombs. the growth rate of a population is limited far more by the number of women than the number of men.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a theoretical community only needs one fertile male and as many females as what to hang around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That was my point - you must hold on to the liability to expand in strength'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why chain-strong-as-weakest-link doesn't work here'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but the liability needs to have some productive value. iow, you can keep weaker women, but weaker men/older, infertile women ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, im not an expert on psychology, but if there wasn't some program like that, how would any nation at all exist? they'd all be in permanent revolution. and the idea that people strive to be the alpha assumes that its part of human nature. i believe its an aquired trait, though it was aquired early on. say, with the idea of private property. because in a hunter gatherer community, being a leader meant you made decisions. you didn't get special privleges or anything. it was merely a title and a responsibility, rather than a reward. that changed very quickly, but for a time it was true.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'con-men and crooked bullies hurt the community more than the perceived weak, who don't have the influence of the others, whos will is enacted upon the perceived strong, such as themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you're saying 'i believe' as if it were undisputable fact.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is that trash around scenic italy just there cause a weak-person seen he could save some money by doing it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen about that on another documentary'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously cause retards exist, trash accumulates in the scenic countryside, so they should be ostracized for not being strong like the people who could have caused it to happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see society picks it's alpha targets along with it's alpha humans, by some course of forbidden logic mysteriously hidden from comprehension'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, i know others disagree. when it comes to prehistoric societies, theres a lot of room for disagreement. my opinion is just one way of looking at it. but, yes, "i believe" its correct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they're working on those kind of problems though, i just get offended what people see as valuable commodities to society and detriments sometimes though, seeing the consequences of their comparative actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is that if you have a bunch of happy little communes living together, where everyone works and lives at subsistence level (because these kinds of super-small communities really can't support any kind of specialist), they're pretty vulnerable to takeover by a population where everyone isn't a generalist. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'yes, but we were talking pre historic communities. and actually, just that happened. slavery based societies took over the hunter gatherer societies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really slaves, but close enough.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while you are at it, name a historic leader who did without :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is the recorded passage of events.  Guess who writes history.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The actual passage of events is much harder to extract'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'the winners! xD'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody who had something to gain by writing it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am willing to be that no leader has had less than those he lead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'led*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'had less in what sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'ghandi.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever his follower had, he had more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without slaves?  Pretty much any ancient Egyptian leader.  The egyptian slave was actually a career choice, as perverse as that sounds.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ghandi used to go to sleep with nubile girls surrounding him :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the native protagonist in the movie 'even the rain''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess he did have a little more though, had some education and things'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Led, meaning what'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Ghandi didn't pay for his food or lodging.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The big burly guy could push his way around back then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and didn't do his own laundry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now some old man in a suit with paper will tool him financially'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alpha and beta are hard and set - they are roles'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'aren't hard and set, rather'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'oh, i know. those prisons were so nice, not charging him for his laundry. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'but i didn't think hard enough, your right. give me a minute.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about adolf hitler?  what was his economic condition compared to the people he led in germany?  it sounded like elevating the poor and lowering the rich, inclusive, were part of what gained him support?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think a leader should get his laundry done for free?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently he served in world war 1 too, like maybe his citizens did in world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read mussolini was a soldier in world war 1 too, so both seem to have been common people, but i'm not sure of their material wealth and what was done solely for their own benefit, and for the benefit of their nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you want to stay in power, people have to respect you'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The tighter the grip, the more is squeezed between the fingers'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, hitler had a bigger collection of old western movie reels than hollywood did...that didn't come cheap :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'respect has nothing to do with getting freebies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hitler, Time Man of the Year 1938'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of people in the US liked Hitler :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, for being in power, you can choose between some measures of respect, love and fear...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'henry ford liked hitler too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Bushes were funding the Third Reich, surprise'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'you win. i can't think of a political figure who had less than their followers, though im sure there is one. everyone gets food and drink for free in prison, in most countries. laundry as well, if they needed it. but that's not the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe, my point is that leadership grants privilege, which is the point of leadership :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the point of it? hardly'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it may be the goal of some who strive for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people want to be leaders not because they are altruists, but because they want to be served rather than serve.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't seek leadership for the privilege - sounds like projection'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't think of anybody though, who leads a country as a common man'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is that altruistic?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That is more invisible hand-ish...except not'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not, that's the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, hitler only provoked what the german's were all thinking, but not doing. after world war one, the germans were punished so harshly, they were practicaly forced into striking back. that's why they were divided after the second world war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the drive to be alpha is the drive that makes a leader.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wrong - you reversed the causation'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'An omega with the drive of the alpha is exactly that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's a requisite amount of puissance'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about every politician on earth might have support or history beyond the reach of any common man'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I didn't. A leader wants, at the very least, to be above the others.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're projecting'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actors or not, they seem to be a privledged group of people who pass on the job to those of their groups'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That may be subset, but not the whole set'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can paint a leader any color you want, saint, humanitarian, whatever, but at the end of the day, he wants to be at the front rather than behind someone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are ego-motivated leaders that want to be remembered, feeling-motivated leaders who want equality, logic-motivated leaders that want clockwork'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not cut from the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wants to be defered to, he wants privilege.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wants to rule, not be ruled.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because others offer him deference does not mean he asks it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when his leadership is questioned, he suppresses.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..until he is suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Would that now make him an omega?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, DosseT. You fail to give difference and you are  ousted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a leader will brook no dissent that threatens his leadership.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so exile the dissenters until they find more dissenters, and take over your community?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is hardwired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, to be annoying, what kind of leader is he that his followers dissent?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could push either side'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a leader :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not much of one, then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My definition of leader is more observational than circumstantial'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A nametag does not make you a leader'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see that he is leader by virtue of having defeated other candidates, but there will always be candidates :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'no leader is loved forever. eventually, people will find a way to be unhappy with him, and will then look for an alternative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how  animals are, you lead until you are defeated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When he is ousted, and the victors rewrite history, is he relegated to loser omega status?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See my point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually to dead status.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'after that!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'forget history writing :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just thought of them, because so many allies were against them for some reason not connected to the gulag's-crimes, which were possibly known judging from the video speech of bernard shaw, by them at that time - and possibly all of the allies nations were led by a person who was very elevated financially in comparison to the majority of their citizens, so it'd be interesting to determine how wealthy they were exactly, and then wonder if their politics of not elevating themselves higher was part of the reason the war happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whether history records the events accurately or not is beside the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of it alot, because 'world war', that's a big war and must have had some philosophical component of governance to it, that the sides were opposed on, possibly because of virtues outweighing vices in one set or another'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what did they want exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wasn't your argument to peruse history for leaders that had more, and wielded power?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I asked if you could name a historic leader who had less than those he led.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This theoretical leader led with force, eventually was overthrown, and was omitted from the annals of history'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He does not show up when "naming historic leaders"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the ones that survived history weren't much better :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because you think of leadership as an intellectual thing, it has nothing to do with brainpower, though in humans that is a factor. It has something to do with being the best specimen of the species available at some particular time.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alpha and Beta profiles have been inverted for that very reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or at least being able to convince others that you are :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'voicing common concerns not detrimental to your own goals, or those of your superior, and being convincing in your role as the man in control of all these things, like i heard most politicians will attend at least 1 semester of drama'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not so sure the actual ideological significance of anything they profess is required, their own understanding, or if they just have to put a certain emotion in it's delivery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are we being led by the best specimens of the species available at this time?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has something to do with the drive for the species to improve. Every member of the species competes against the others constantly. Some are not very good and do not advance, others advance until they can no longer, or become leaders.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which the majority will be influenced by, almost spiritually, on that elevating level that tells them of righteousness, it feels so powerful'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hmm, given the mental acuity it requires to vote them into office ... probably.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People rise to their level of incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and the rules have changed now'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'rather, were changed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know what's real though, that's the important thing, i the truth is an important part of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that might be an indictment on the intellect, DosseT. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just don't understand what leadership is an intrinsically noble act reserved to humans only Every living entity, at least on Earth, fights for supremacy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'understand why*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't understand why you think so, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't think everyone vies for supremacy - I'd say at least 80% are followers (betas)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'First of all'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My question to you: are you a chief if there are no indians?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Or are you defining "chief" as having indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, I'm always struggling to avoid leadership roles :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I didn't say I thought it was a noble act, as I know that people wield it - I opined that the best way to approach leading is with reluctant and measured use of force'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that's not true. What humans do, that others animals  don't seem to do, is to compartmentalize. They might not lead their entire community but they will look for some niche where they can exert  their autocracy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That sounds kinda lame - so everyone finds the crowd where they shine'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'to appease their ego?  Sounds more like dopamine release than leading'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, once two people get together, at least one of them will try to rule the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what do two females do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's testosterone that is combative'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What to 2 beta males do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What does a castrated male and a female do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'if that were true, than how could any society function? everyone would be in permanent revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we basically are, Brise'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they function because, in most cases, the loser acquiesces. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and for the record, females produce testosterone...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'in most countries. not all. i meant everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'course Abel, but it's not their leading androgen'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and males, estrogen :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '-.='
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and progesterone'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Not only that, but you expect us to believe that there's no dom/sub power dynamic unless a straight man is involved? Pull the other one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is also why high T chicks are so manly and combative..wait what'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who said anything about straight?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sorry. You're right, nobody brought that in. Still, two women won't have a leader? Two non-alpha men won't? A castrato and a woman won't?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'I'm having a hard time with that assertion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'with gay guys or dykes, there's still often the butch and the bitch roles...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big foes and bigger governments to handle the foes for you, because people like you are the bodies of your foes will who would enact their viciousness upon you if it weren't for your government'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'it's only one letter difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, leadership and sex are related since, obviously, the alpha specimen will produce the best offspring.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at least, those of the opposite sex, will look at it that way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see any solution in forever as long as people exist for the world conflicts of interest, as far as nations are concerned, it seems like forever there will be us versus them internationally, nationally and locally and some advisor will handle the enemy on our behalf'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, that doesn't seem to work too well with humans :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sperm Wars...most sperm are blockers'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We don't function in that primal environment anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Though females are still hypergamous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or it works well, and intelligence is not a big factor in choosing a mate :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright to rise to real problems and defend against them though, i agree there - but it does seem that more power over you is given to the government the more foes it slays, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a more modern proxy for power, i.e. resource gathering'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they stand something to gain by the foe rising to the occassion, and maybe the foe is legitimate and a real foe and all it's powers are fully backing whatever malevolence they'd like done to you - but why can't they see common sense if they value their own lives?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the drive for international conflict originated?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the answer to that question, Chemosh, is where ever the world leaders gather :) (I don't mean the visible ones :))'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, that's all i wanted to know, i'm a sucker for intelligent design'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't claim chaos isn't real though, or to know where the sources are or what those sources are, only evaluating the nature of the problem and trying to grasp it so that i can put it from mind - origin of international conflict hypothesis that you have is one that i arrived at before, and it does seem possible'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i haven't determined it absolute, and possibly anybody who tried would disappear, because where it'd be investigated is highly dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing intelligent about the design :) You could say it was all dumb luck :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see nature pretty much being obliterated, which used to be required for life on earth, and them focused on comparable vanity within their own human race, which could be obliterated in the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by the 'foes' that aren't addressed seriously'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the whole idea behind God and, collaterally, intelligent design is the human need to believe that their lives has some meaning beyond what lies between birth and death. What's the point of being alive? God answers that :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not always - it's a subset'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so with that phenomenon, if what i read/seen on the news and stuff is real, i try and evaluate what kind of group of people this is, and they almost appear suicidal conceptually'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or aliens like some say and maybe demons'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, humans need to know that their lives have meaning. If all they do is be born so that they can die, well that is rather meaningless to many.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I understand the psychological and existential comfort'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you throw in an afterlife, well, now you are really cooking :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe in God, and I'm a rational'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe in God, because I learned that the powers that be believe in Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So my belief stems from logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is from a former atheist'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The world works in mysterious ways'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, assuming that you are telling the truth about being rational, it is obvious then that you sport an irrational streak :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really - I just learned that the top of they pyramid worship Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that wasn't greeted by much fanfare - just a sort of matter-of-factedness'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to believe in god is to believe in satan, as Ursula LeGuin said, light is the left hand of darkness :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I went the other way - seeing religion as a tool of social control, I rejected structure and dogma'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, anyone who believes in things without reasonable proof is irrational.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Learning their emphatic devotion to the opposite was interesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, religion affords a leadership niche :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends whether you want inclusive or exclusive proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You only see black holes by proxy (exclusive proof)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Or you can see a cookie on the table (inclusive proof)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but as far as you being rational, how can you allow yourself to accept something that can only be proved by proving a negative? The supreme absurdity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True that part of it is through proxy i.e. witnessing their faith, but also tempered by personal experience'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I see the irony, how is it rational'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'faith, be definition, is irrational :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the level of proof needed can surely be debated, but another requirement is that you should always be prepared to change your views if new proof arrives.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if someone proved the existence of god, I would change my mind in an instant :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion fails in both those requirements, hance all religious people are irrational. Imho.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but matters of faith are just matters of opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you call proof, though?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What-I-see-what-my-eyes is proof?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, how about using set theory?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The point of black holes'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't see black holes; you just see stars converging'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, we have a evolving scientific process for prooving theories. That's a start, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Thus fail to reject the hypothesis that there is a dense mass'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I grant you this, from what I've been able to glean from some thoughts I've had on the subject, if there is a god, it is not animated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't prove something, just fail to disprove'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to think about whether there is as god or not, spend some time developing a scenario where something has always existed :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Generally, you make a predication, according to your theory, and then make tests. If your result fit your theory, and no contradictions are there, you have the start of a proof. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a tough thing to do :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You must also have a way to falsify your theory.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Ranrr, though a standing hypothesis may indeed be true, or may simply be standing because it has yet to be toppled'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem is, you can't test for the existence of god to the exclusion of other causes :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We don't know until if and when that occurs'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, that is science.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And if you were to find out, you'll have problems sharing your discovery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it cannot be tested, it is not science.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the "well, what about the trees?" question that the simple-minded always asks just doesn't cut it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How did we discover atoms and molecules'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't see anything?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then sub-atomic particles'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then quarks'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, let me tell you about atoms and molecules.... :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the map is not  the territory.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because it cannot be seen with your eyes doesn't mean it cannot be tested.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's my point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They didn't see anything, and thus there was no science, by your definition'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we don't know if there are atoms and molecules. We have a model in which atoms and molecules answer some of our questions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'True.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Correct - we have subatomic theory and quantum mechanics that are a standing hypothesis that has yet to be disproven'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'how do you explain double slit phenomenon?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so "how about the trees?" doesn't cut it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'space is one of the scariest aspects of reality i think, but where would it be without it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Quantum mechanics. Don't ask more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's amazing, i respect space'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's an entropic element to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, the real question behind the existence (or  lack thereof) of god lies, imho, in answering the question "how can something always exist?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In my opinion, since we cannot prove the existance of a god, and no god is needed to explain anything, why waste your time believing in one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because it seems that the material which forms our current space-time is recyclable :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My counter question to you is why the ruling powers of the world believe in Satan then, which is a similar non-material entity'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You purport that it's a waste of time, and they're wasting their time doing it.  What for?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, by quoting Ursula LeGuin, light is the left hand of darkness. God is the left hand of Satan (and vice versa). You can't have one without the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Beats me, Dosse. Ask a psychologist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'of course. good and evil are relative, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point exactly.  So while we question our faith in God, and observe their faith in Satan, what do we conclude'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'According to the christian belief, God does more bad than good.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the idea of bipolarity has been very popular through history :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone who believes in the christian god believes in satan as well.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing much, DosseT. If you believe in god, you believe in satan. That's the point. You can't believe in one without the other. Protagonist and Antagonist. Great Greek tragedy stuff :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point is that one can arrive to belief in God not through blind faith, but through proxy of observing others' faith in Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, it's still just made up by humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because exactly - God must exist if Satan does'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, lots of god's creatures participate in questionable conduct, without the intervention of human perversity guiding their actions, i'm not so sure god desires his creatures to be perfect and punishes them for their flaws, that would seem to defeat the purpose of creation - which might more akin to what satan would desire, being the destroyer'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is it Ranrr?  You know that all the world powers, U.N., etc., are Satanic, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you can deduce darkness by posing the absence of light, that's nice.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I don't know that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I cannot answer that, but I have observed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and even human perversity is often unoriginal and guided by clever society, infringing on their development to become perverse, which i can't see an all knowing god being ignorant of'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a void statement, since Satan is made up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and thus punishing the participants, programmed to do as they do, for their own transgressions'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If it's made up, why do they go to such lengths to pay symbolic tribute everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In their logos, music, cities, acts, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if what you say is true, DosseT. So what? They can worship my butt hole, for all I care :) Since they believe in a figment of their imagination, the act of belief is useless :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe because they are irrational?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'though isn't that violating Occam's Razor'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe after he gives them a choice, clearing their conditioned souls from what they done, then he might punish them for choosing to be a certain kind of abhorrence'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do more than the minimum you violate Occam's Razor :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'People are stupid, irrational and believe things told to them by charismatic sect leaders. Doesn't get much simpler.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, those darn leaders, they reluctantly befuddle the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's cold, hard, measurable, empirical evidence.  This isn't hearsay'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google "George Washington satanic statue"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Didn't see that one in your history book!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are we talking about god again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try D.C. floor plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bohemian Grove'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, ok, DosseT, so what if they have some belief? How does  believing in Satan helps or hinder? As opposed, say, in believing in the Easter bunny.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've never liked the way people apply Occam's Razor like it's a law'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If leaders believe in made up deity #1 or made up deity #2 is irrelevant to me. They can believe in satan if they want, it makes no difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People do complicated bullshit instead of simple bullshit all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nature follows the path of least resistence, Vakieh. Occam's Razor is really just a reflection of that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are you not counting those points as data, then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'points? what points?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they actually do follow satan though, according to the gospel story, 'no man can have anything less it be given him from above', then there's satan offering jesus all of the kingdoms of the world, which jesus wouldn't worship him for - so it'd be a strange phenomenon if real'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Occam's Razor itself is fine, but where it says 'more likely', people think '100% certain''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe just symbolic though'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer to have politicians that don't mix religion and politics. Fortunately, I happen to live in a country where that is pretty much true (Sweden), and not a fake secular country like the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you are not using an authority with provenance, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Interesting prospective from Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the bible is just as suspect as everything else :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Believe me, I was an atheist for about 13 years, so I get the point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Vakieh, I think the other point of Occam's razor is that you might as well assume the more likely explanation is true until proven otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just because a brain tumor is the simplest explanation, some people might actually have a foreign infection, fever AND lupus'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why assume anything? Test it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but you'd still scan for the brain tumor first.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The path of least resistnce, Majic :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and showing negative for a brain tumor would indicate 'proven otherwise' at which point you'd look for the next most likely explanation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the simplest explanation is usually the right one :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, but that doesn't mean you can bring Occam's into a debate and call it proof, as so many do'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, and the simplest explanation of religion is that people are irrational.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, you don't do open heart surgery  to show that it was heartburn :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Occam's is that it is vain to do with more what could be done with less'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so a paraphrasing, though not equivalent statement, is that what you see is generally what you get'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'otherwise it's redundant'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, Occam's is a simple suggestion to test for the simpler (and presumably more likely) scenarios first'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's the direct result of "what-I-see-is-what-I-get" deduction'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the most obvious is usually deliberated to arrive at the not-so-obvious anyways though, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hey this is odd, i wonder.. nah.. nah.. maybe...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only thing wrong with Occam's is that you might miss the knowledge that there are more complicated solutions  :) You generally stop and the simplest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, that's why you should actually check your solution when you can :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'feel between the legs'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just show what formed the conception of your opinion or whatever in totality and then the individual aspects that compose it can be refuted as needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the basic premise sucks, there is not much more that needs to be done :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but who's gonna really do that?  using other's not considered opinions seems to be popular these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, in truth, there is no need for the opinion of others. Opinions are useless, and the end. What you need are statements of existence :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it seems convincing to you, it must have some thought put into it, that you developed yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a person says, this is a fact, then you pay attention, an opinion you can let slide.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Problem is people dispose of fact using the guise of opinion'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'opinion on the fact is something other than the fact itself, opinions can change, facts can't - at least not when they're not dynamic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The mind is self-preserving - people reject fact, labeling it opinion to avoid reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people just like to know what's real, and they require a certain degree of satisfaction to their questions to support a fact before they accept it, when it's not experienced first hand especially'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that which is, is immutable. It may have mutated into its current state, but that's beside the point. It's previous state was another fact, not this one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other words, that which is, is until it ceases to be. Then it is no longer a fact :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but opinions have no substance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they server their masters faithfully, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they serve*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The fact is that people make statements about fact all the time without checking the facts or having anything to back their statements.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i include reference material to every opinion i ever shared on the internet, regarding opinionated fact and my extrapolation of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, I don't have to back my opinions :) That would force them to become facts :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all shared for their own reasons, sometimes prodding, sometimes to incite the attitude and sensitivites of others to determine what they believe and characterize the opponent's i'm trying to rule out'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, they could say i just made my opinion's substance up out of thin air, so instead of provide the facts that i built it on, being maleable, and then look for different ways to consider the combination's or presences'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and usually subjects are horror-like, which might be dangerous sort of, and opinions reflect the prejudice gleaned from the injustice present in the facts'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i look around for explainations, while i study the 'governments' who are possibly direct descendents of those horrors causes'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which the internet is handy for sort of, being a government suppression and control mechanism'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and has lots of information to skim through etc, lots of facts to look up and cross reference with refutable sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think i'm any more delinquent than the creators of south park or various mainstream media programming, i don't even influence or harm a single person as far as i know - and i hope that's the fact, i'm like a blathering lunatic preaching the end on johnny mnemonic, without the cyborg infrastructure, except only temporarily and aesthetically, not redundantly as he did, i consider things in context as they're relevant for a point i'm considering, which some may or may not see themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i speak some prejudice or offensive terminology, it doesn't seem to be any worse than the typical humour in some of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i know i'm not an evil serial killing mass-murderer or would be capable of being one, and i don't support the kind of people who are in charge of the general corruption that results in that - which sort of sets my conscience at ease, but others might not understand, sort of like your irrational god concept'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i should leave sleeping dogs lie though, there is no point in pursuing the truths of the past with people who are extremely sensitive with it's subject matter'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've had alot of time on my hands, all the time in the world, mostly barred from living an ordinary life i develop strange hobbies, and one of them was pursuing the truth of subjects that i found intriguing and the nature of the governments of the world in which i mostly don't belong, just for my own conflict resolution, seeing if i'm solely to blame for my own failed life or if they had some part in it, then that led to discovery of alot of different and evil considerations'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being offensive to others sometimes loses it's relevance when you perceive a godly sleight or governmented offense in just about every aspect of your life, even if there is none, and there might be once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not like you hurt them, right?  they tread all over your sensitivities, why not give them some of their own medicine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except even that intention isn't always there, just desensitized to being human in general, disconnected, life is horror and you forget that others aren't as dark as you - that's how i am anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i turn on the tv i see that nothing is sacred, and everything about being human is up for grabs, almost everything - i see some lesser subjects being excluded once in awhile, and i consider them to be prejudice tot he general desecration of humanity, and set out to find out why - like a hobby sometimes, it's not neccessarily my fault for expecting you to be fasse pau with me :), anyways, i'll be quiet now, just explaining myself to your sensitivities a little - and the world has alot, such like expedient criticism for consideration of one and theirs versus 30 million history facts, which shouldn't be misjudged as a attempt at cruelty, but at consideration :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing IS sacred :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'space is sacred, i respect space :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'before you were, space was, after you will, space will be :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost felt like I was back in the USA tonight, saw a black girl being "phyiscally" arrested by a bunch of cops'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why one shouldn't vote for Mitt Romney: Battlefield Earth (which was eventually turned into that awful movie with the same name) is one of his favourite books.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(No, this is not a joke. It actually is)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only reason I hate Obama is because he likes basketball.  It's a hoodlum sport, and we don't need that type of person running the government (reminds me of Idiocracy).'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'But his VP is a guy that drove the weiner mobile'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda did.  Oh yes, he did.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's okay, stupid people do stupid things and we have more important things to worry about than the fact that Biden is now President.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'According to him we're going back to slavery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm afraid any goodwill generated from Ryan Paul being a former enthusiastic rider of wieners gets canceled out by Mitt Romney loving the shit out of "Battlefield Earth".'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Heh, that movie had real poor casting too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, no. It's not the movie he loves. It's the book.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Didn't the aliens wear spice girl boots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'can someone explain why force feeding stimulants to children is not only socially acceptable, but encouraged?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'it's good for them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'is it? seems like maybe humans weren't meant to sit in class 6 or 7 hours a day. inability to do that doesn't mean you have a medical disorder that needs to be treated'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'treated immediately.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any of the worlds problems thatneedsolving in here ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you plan on solving anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reality is subjective :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we have more immediate problems than metascience'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Come and finish the hiring process that I'm trying to do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Iwas going theBuddist  path but ok what problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the government recording every phone call, text, email, skype, web search, web page visit - every single download'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'echelon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the price of freedom worth a lil imposition ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imposition?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blanket surveillance isn't freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lack of privacy  = imposition ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soln is snailmail ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'post ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'took my MP to task for it, but he blew me off with blonde quack. i'm guessing he's never read George Orwell, much less heard of him'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you need to hide it , the gov needs to know about it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'justify that nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '1984 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he refuses to back down on it, so when the election, i'll be campaigning heavily against him'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm with u mate - just devils advocate '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unlike his competition, i won't be playing nice'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great ! you don't have a constituent to offend :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i'll talk to the players and find ones which understands the issue, then go against the ones that don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if there was not this level of vigilance by the gov  would buisiness be monitoring us instead ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'want to go after the 40odd % non-voters'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you let it, like with Facebook'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the CIA invested in Facebook startup to start with?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook does all their work for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'data mining is bug money - even now ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big*'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol finally Bono and the CIA in bed together ! lol sell out !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone knew Bono was a sellout'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who is next ? Dylan ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'This is one of the best conversations I've heard this week.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sarcasm ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just asking - no "tone" involved '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell-out in this context is a celebrity that exchanges principle for material wealth or self promotion'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jump in Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok non sellouts - Dylan , Mandela... who else ? Julian Assange ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You read about this TrapWire stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange is a bit of a prick, but also a hero'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been implemented in UK for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no not actross the trapwire - unpack ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is that the news of the world phone hacking thing ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enlighten me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/08/13/operation-trapwire/'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'yeah, there you go.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TY ! brb'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'How do you feel about Wikileaks?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do i feel about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without wikileaks there'd have been no arab spring'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I can see the use of it, and I like the idea of transparency, but at the same time I can see the concern of governments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You really think that wikileaks played such a large role in the arab spring?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'social media in general had a huge impact on the arab spring imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and trapwire ! reakin hardcore - that is too much !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did, but the original uprising in Tunisia was a direct result of information released in wikileaks'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it highlighted severe weaknesses in the tunisian authority and details of bad stuff they were doing'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it triggered the protest there'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which led to that guy setting fire to himself. the rest is history'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm really suprised with Syria still holding on - can't think of his name ate assad ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like the whole drama with assange's asylym in the equador embassy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like assad to win'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I guess you're right. But that's a side issue. I guess my question is, do you think that wikileaks can sometimes go too far? I haven't given it serious thought, but I wonder if there are some not-so-good things coming out of wikileaks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially now the west has been caught with it's pants down supplying jihadi groups in the rebels with illegal weaponary'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac compromises in military intel do adversely effect a countries soverignty '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want assad to win because of the interfering the west has been doing'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least assad protected the jews and christians'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Right, that's a given. I'm asking about the moral issue though, if a third party that seeks to completely enforce governmental transparency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a noble ambition, zac'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the most worrying thing about that arab spring is if the grass roots democracy movements  in the countries concerned aren't strong the only other ppower is islam ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Or is it just an angst filled one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zac, if you have any kind of belief in the neccessity of the limitation of scope and power of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't believe in that, then you're open to tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read some history :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I certainly believe in a limited scope of power for government. Don't get me wrong, i agree with you. I just want to debate it all the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'truth is king imo - just needs to be hand fed to the masses though - so much propaganda/consumerism is spoonfed to us will take ages to wean us imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's just it, isn't it? people are so asleep because of the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the mass media Tig '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LCD lowest common denominator . '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, tzad, that's why you see governments trying to limit free speech and 'own' the internet'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't even protest in the Uk without permission'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither in the US, i believe now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Certainly there are things governments might do well within their scope of power that would/could only be successful with secrecy....'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted, zac, but such things should be extremely limited'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you guys had those riots a while ago , were they sanctioned Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep Zac a lil Sun Tzu goes a long way :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '???'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gerald celente is great fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn Ozzies are too lazy to riot - and too fragmented '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ozzie's have been browbeaten, they're pussies now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'had  it too good for too long imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac google Sun Tzu - dependant on ur mind it will change it Forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I know the book, are you suggesting I read it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I couldn't tell if you were suggesting that I read it or if you were using it as some argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yemen is in flames, Bahrain is in flames, it's all looking ready for some serious wars'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil unrest in spain, greece, france'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Wait, what's up in Yemen and Bahrain?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil unrest, borderline civil war'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jeez I've had my head up my ass for so long - interesting life - I really need to catch up as a citizen of the world '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you hear very little world news on mainstream media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you do here is through a prism'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright, I'm looking to see if I can get The Art of War on my Kindle fo' free...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't watch TV'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch your national news, then also add in russian, chinese, arabic media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they agree, you've probably got truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah Tig, I'm trying to find more news outlets, but I don't have many good ones. Recommendations?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you're american, i'd be more worried about the proliferation of TSA across the country, and the arming of ngo's (1.4bn rounds of hollowpoints?)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the latest is that much of that is going to be sent to al-ciada in syria'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I used to do the rounds of Oz ABC al jezera dueche weller but I don't anymore - I should '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-jazeera and rt are good places for some alternatives from different power bases'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ahh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has become a lil like Oz - bouyed by a false mining economy - no GFC here until the mines run dry '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oz's have been disarmed, now they're being taxed to breath'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're good little nwo bitches now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - the "right" liberals wil get in next election and the carbon tax will go away imo - already had landslides in state elections '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney's mob will keep everything Obama has done'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides are the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'QFT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah tho - our army is a joke unless you are onne of the SAS and our cunsumer base is a drop in the ocean '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this story got coverage everywhere outside the western world'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/c9dejw6'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than drudgereport.com, not a sausage on cnn and other government-owned media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol economic rationalism means there is no longer a left and right I agree - but it is a divisive issue - the carbon tax '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'lol wtf? NWS buying ammo?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is just the latest in a long line, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac NWS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Saving this one...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's links there to all of the reference material'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Heh, I know Alex Jones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Grew up listening to him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't alex, it's PJW'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's a brit'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'infowars.com is Alex Jones' site, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nogs ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I'm from Austin.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nogs ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original syrian democracy activists might completely disown the armed rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts thinks of Nog, the Ferengi, and prostrates himself.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lol.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you think will come next?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the breakdown of waring factions there and are any fighters from other countries joining in and on what sides ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I think you're over estimating people's eagerness to go to war, even if their government/priest/imam tell them to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they need people? they have drones'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't do an ground invasion of syria or ian'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iran*'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm an insane 20 yearold - everything is too much or not enough - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the big danger is russia and/or china getting some balls'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'russia is too far involved - china is the danger imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I thought you were talking about people in the ME.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ME ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Middle East.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be foolish to underestimate Russia, and besides, while they might have been enemies in the past, they're doing a lot of trading now in their own currencies, cutting out the dollar'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'middle east ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'The general between Turkey, Russia, India, and the Sahara.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which always makes me giggle when people whinge about russia and china veto'ing on the security council - hello? they represent more than 60% of the population of people represented by the security council'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'all of that. The middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'every nato vote - seems like russia n china go together - is def a new  traading bloc that  bypasses the US imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of COURSE they stand together, why do you think that is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to be a rocket surgeon to realise why'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mutual gain - more Sun Tzu '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'People don't bitch about Russian and China veto'ing because they don't think that those countries should have that privelege.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mutual defence, take a look at where US army bases are in the middle easty'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that a lil Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'They bitch because the US acts unilaterally despite the vetoes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the reasons, zacc'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are realising that US is totally overreaching it's remit and trying to take over the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why Russia threatened to nuke the missile defence shield installations US was planning in eastern europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And that it's not an empire anymore...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why Czech Republic and Poland have pulled out'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so instead US has the middle east ringed with bases'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so brings us back to the original thread - is intel monororing by the US the last gasp of a dying nation to exploit comparative advantage ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't think the US is dying...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what 'part' of it you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is not that the US is dying it is that china etc is on the rise '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republic is dead, if that's what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Don't be so sure about china.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No "democratic" nation can just fall and die. There are too many elements.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'um .. war ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well That, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But who's going to fight the US?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US is'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz I have an adverserial mindset '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US will not be invaded, it was never at risk of invasion in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact there were no threats against homeland security in the last 20 years either'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah actually the spree kill numbers coming out of the US ... WTF? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the threat is US attacking others and itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'found an article about that today which was pretty cool Tig.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun killings are flat in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/13/what_terrorist_threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't know what the killings are all about Tzad, wish I knew. I don't live there anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the latest 2 gun killings were more than likely as not, staged'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'part of it is gun ownership - part of it is societal dysfunction and dis engagement imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass shootings, yes, these mass shootings, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah side topic - school shootings etc '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'focus deb again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys seriously need to get out, get the non-voters out, and back a third party candidate'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Yes Tig - in Oz voting is compulsry '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got some wackjobs in oz right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british politicians are playing at deers in headlights, they're all the same, all owned by the global banks, and have no will to make any improvements'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why don't you guys bring the island up above the equator? Things might get done in a more timely fashion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in most states the "left" splits it's vote between the labour party - the democrats and the greens - the "right only has on party in most states '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like obomney, british politics is about kicking the collapse slowly down the path and try and squeeze the very most out of the serfs before it does'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need a libertarian party in oz :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '^'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me cynical but " capatalism is a democracy, it is $1 a vote" .. is where we are at imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we have heaps of fringe parties here - the sex party - the ever present dope party but it all means nothing when the mining giants like Gina Rienhart call the shots '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy in Oz is a joke  - as I suspect in the rest of the west - money talks , bullshit walks ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because global corporate interest calls the shots'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Either of y'all know much about this LIBOR stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all the more importance of those non sellouts ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why black guys with $10 bags of marijuana get shot in the head in the backs of police cars, yet global banks that commit fraud worth 100s of billions of dollars get off scott free'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a little'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'link me Zac ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't have one ready.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Start a new political party that solves all problems :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'then brief me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global banks collaberated to rig the interest rate that banks loan to each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'LIBOR is the interest rate between banks - it is set by some algorithm, and the LIBOR rate can be seen as a way to judge the relative strength or healthiness of the banking industry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok that idiots vote id the flaw of democracy imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stock markets are rigged too, these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except a couple months ago it came out that a LOT of the big banks had been rigging the LIBOR rate to make it seem like they were doing better than they were.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'AND, there's a lot of evidence that the British government had a heavy hand in it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost certainly'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Better put on your tin foil hats, guys.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion equips himself appropriately.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few years back our then PM flogged off a whole load of our gold at the bottom of the market, leaving us extremely vulnerable to the derivative bubble collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'false accounting caused enron to fail - we didn't gain transparency after that - so we had th GFC'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion has a beeping light on top of his tin foil cone.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'italy is actually well-placed when the euro fails'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have 2500 tons of gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that gold is just a yellow metal, and quite useless except in specific electronics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Ranrr on his head.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran a foil hat would prob filter out the good stuff in my case - vitriol is internally generated ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Gold can not solve any problems.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The countries that will do good when the euro experiment is dissolved are those that have economies in order today. Like germany and finland.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided they aren't over-reliant on exports, yes, they will'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a low wage award and a well organised manufacturing industry would have value added to our natural resources but we chose the path of least resistance here -  dig it n flog it - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All countries depend on exports. It's the basis of the economy today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then germany will not be protected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an export-driven economy requires an export market'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And debt.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tuatology '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Depends on if the consumers can afford the products. Just because a country is poor doesn't mean the citizens are, and vice versa. E.g. the US is a poor country with rich citizens and China is a rich country with poor citizend.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, having your own country mean that you can solve debt with inflation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'good point Rann - those rich citezens are fluid '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'currency, not country'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, thanks, so get ready folks, all of your money will soon be worth half as much'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, that will happen in the PIGS part of the euro zone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone essentially taking a 50% pay cut will go down like a lead balloon in a country where half the people already receive some form of welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'PIGS are part of the euro overall - need france and germqny to bail ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'PIGS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france couldn't bail a row boat'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will happen. Someone has to pay.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again democracy is thier weakness ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Portugal Italy Greece Spain'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'austerity here hasn't dented the deficit, and neither could it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Growth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'not austerity'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get growth'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason people are on "welfare" is because they cannot get jobs. Any solution must include job creation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greace has little or no tax base - corruption and or / gov ineptitude means only the stupid actually pay tax '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I know, you think they are lazy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason people are on welfare is because 50 years of improper welfare has skewed the true cost of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people with jobs here are on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the left pushing for growth, the right pushing for austerity. The truth is that neither will work'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, that brings me back to my start. Start a political party. Propose solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone can find problems. The hard part is finding solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not the lack of solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem, first off, is admitting there is a problem, and realising the nature of the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have dealt alot with local council workers .. lol don't ask but thier work ethic is shit-  governments can't run buisiness because of various reasons - lets privatize europe and problem solved ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a good plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did that, now we just have bad services and corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz sleep meds kicking in - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have enjoyed tonight and TY but I need to go '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want to live in a place like the US, where you cannot even get healthcare because you are poor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And where everything is controlled by corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you can't get healthcare here in the UK for similar reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't you have public healthcare?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But not for poor people?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'such rich grounds but as you know I get irrational so I'll leave it here for now - TY for the convo  - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a car crash, or have some other accident that requires emergency care, you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is no different to the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have long term problems that need healthcare, you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That sucks then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fortunately I have rich parents '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'costs me about 20% of my salary, on top of which i then have to pay for most treatments'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have subsidised pharma'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is useful if you're on expensive medication, but it's subsidised, not free'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're poor, $15 per item is still $15'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Public healthcare should be what the government focuses on, plus schools, police and emergency services. And it should be payed by taxes and free to use.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree. could make it cheaper by making it locally admistered'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have just spent a few months instuitionalised - I would be dead if not ... social/economic darwinism ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they institutionalise patriots now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no they take in sucidal patriots and then turn them over to halfwayhouses where we can re-arm :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cracking'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my RDX will be delivered remotely - lol Psyciatry trumps Islam - I can go again :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hopefully you're not on SSRi'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have tried SSRI - lol couldn't stop talking '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extraordinarily bad for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm on thorazine? - is the oldschool name ? there is a new version '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thought about combining an MOI or SSRI with MDMA as a new street drugg E+'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be heavily advised to get nutritional supplements'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah got B in spades '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually get more outta the B shots than anything else - wierd '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of mental disorders can be helped with nutritional supplementation'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that statement is not at all unexpected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I kinda don't wanna be totally cured- I know that sounds strange but I hate "normal" I hate " Humanity" '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be not normal without being ill'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not normal is a state of mine, not a illness of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get alot of intrusive thoughts and can only think one on ....plane? at a time ..  and my overview of the world - zietgiest? is asque'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'insomnia etc par for the course - I really just lack empathy '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weren't you going to bed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yes you are about the most interesting thing I've found in a few days :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you fem ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm well endowed with moobies though'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ok - tell me when you get bored of me then '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have to take shots go I'll gently disintergrate - actually suprised I'm so licid atm - perhaps reduced dosage '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol always the last to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well endowed with newbies ? unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stil awake ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Rann was good to see you again '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the general consensus on the reuters feed ? biased ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'various'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol as opposed to al jezera then - biased - east-west ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, we don't need to hold your hand - look up al-jazeera on wiki and find out who runs them and tell us'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hehe ok loaded q? :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually that not cool - soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are qatari, sunni dominated, allied with saudi-arabia, USA, pro-west'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, as far as current stuff is concerned'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curt - ttfn'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hearing some crazy rumours coming out of Dallas'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also in the news, someone in the supply chain in Europe is cutting heroine with a contaminant infected with Anthrax'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think someone needs tin foil glasses to watch the news through.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was out of the BBC'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not know for reporting news stories unless "vetted" by the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'not everything on BBC is true'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, we know that anything outside your comfort zone is tin-foil territory, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're like the former Iraqi Information Minister reporting that there are no Americans in Baghdad on TV while you can see the tanks rolling in behind him in the distance'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great comedy, not terribly helpful'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just don't trust something just because I heard it on the news.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you don't believe Mr George Soros has dumped $50m banking stocks and bought up gold instead?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care about that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14 people died through anthrax contaminated heroin from 119 cases in 2009-10'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should care about it, Soros has insider knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They should get organic heroin instead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he ditches all his banking stocks and buys gold, it means he believes there's serious trouble coming in the stock market, especially in finance'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy might be a cretin, and an evil scumbag, but he's not stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope there is, but I have given up on trying to predict. I want cheap stocks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If prices drop, that means cheap stocks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have: worthless currency, or stock in bankrupt companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't own bank stocks. I am not stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich have been fleeing to commodities and real estate since 2008'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'missed the boat when it comes to gold, it's already high'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So is real estate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, in any case, the economy will go bust, and then recover. It's not the first time, and not the last. If you are smart enough to predict how it will happen, you can get rich. I am not that smart, and I don't believe George Soros is either tbh. Maybe Warren Buffet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Warren Buffet will just invest in ice-creams because they make him look non-threatening'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And doing things because they say that X did so in the news, is a recipe for disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should go invest in Facebook :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you knew how the economy will perform... "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". Otherwise good economists would be rich...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of facebook's stock... hahahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who didn't see that one coming? the ones who invested, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best part is, there's still plenty of stock that is still locked up, due to be released from obligations preventing sale...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called 'pump and dump' no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't buy stocks in companies whose products I dislike. Facebook could get shut down anytime and they are stupid. :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even at this price, those holding on to it must be holding out some hope that it can turn into another google...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason Facebook are bringing in Facebook Casino'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on their current path, it isn't even worth 10...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and real-money games'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why they're selling all your personal data'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry "habits"'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why they're beta'ing a face-scanner login, tying in with similar facescanners in shops to tailer adverts'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they know where it's going, and I personally don't like it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just stay away from them. You don't need facebook, it is just a waste of time. Imho.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can certainly sell data of people dumb enough to let them do it... but how much discretionary income do those people have...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but my glorious leaders here have said that "not being on social media such as Facebook is a character abheration and a marker to look for in dissidents and terrorists"'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but perhaps I have too much faith in human intelligence...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they really said that, I think they were referring to poor people...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are, after all, plenty of professional types who wouldn't touch social media with a 10m pole'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... fb seems to have found support at 19 today. Wonder how long it will take to break through that! If I were the betting sort, I'd try to hold a pool...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sell off of stocks by those in the know means one thing though: WHen it crashes, it's people with pension schemes and investments that'll suffer'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad i don't have any'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, FB now has lower market cap than BIDU.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anything goin on here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much, whatcha want to bring up?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do i have time to grab a coffee first?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Sorry Tig, my internet dropped'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm still on the security issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what security issue?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and whether or not people (like wikileaks, for example) should be protected for what they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they shouldn't be protected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why not?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well, that didn't go anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it depends'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'did he say something and I missed it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there already exists legislation to protect whistleblowers from protection in many circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has been a feature of both UK and USA governments to undermine that legislation'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in both cases, that undermining is a seriously bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whistleblowers are vital to uncovering systemic abuses in large power structures'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright. So I guess my question is, do you believe that what wikileaks is doing is past the reasonable line of "whistleblowing"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So you'd agree with the statement that it is unethical for Ecuador to protect Assange?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's totally ethical for them to do so'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Until they are the target of the leaks...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ok I see.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't protecting him because of what he leaked'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're protecting him because of the unfair and 'underhanded' tactics being used to threaten his freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any clearer now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure there's brinksmanship involved because south america isn't terribly fond of USA or UK, but I still agree with their decision'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some commentators that suspect that the core content of wikileaks was deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the american military'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probably not the initial content, but you can be damn sure that once wikileaks got a name, they intentionally leaked stuff to manipulate the situation to their advantage'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If I leaked top secret information that damaged national security, I'd be tried for treason or some such, don't see why the Wikileaks people should be treated any differently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange didn't leak it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he's not an American citizen'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling, they're not treated differently'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, then he shouldn't be prosecuted.  He should be bombed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they fled and are fighting extradition...the government is working to try them for treason'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange is not a US citizen, he could never be tried for treason, period'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'He's an aussie, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'espionage maybe'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we tolerate the speech we hate because one day our speech may be hated'
T3/r7/2012-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYTHING is worse except for the battle system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'ok I debate that people should not impose there will on others, such that just because you think you know what I am doing because of other people in your past does not mean I am the same and doing that thing ^_^'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs at Zanbone mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still amused why Oregon state has made collecting rainwater illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is in danger of making Assange a martyr'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't learn, do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and your government will tax you to death to pay them to do so'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears the US department of homeland security puts as much effort into briefing against so called 'conspiracy theorists' as it does in genuine security'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'secrecy doesn't work if someone learns what's going on.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I just find it bazaar'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bizarre, even'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, that sort of behavior was going on since before WW2 (J. Edgar Hoover had files on everyone).'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by briefing against them, you're giving them credence. Only two things can be deduced from that: 1. they are, or are worrying close to the truth, or 2) they are dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 implies 2, also'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's on your radar today, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but you're not going to be the only one watching those fellas.  Real threats are doing the same as you, and they basically have the same level of resources as you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find the real threats are already in power'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Minority Report.  The movie concept is no longer a fiction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aware of that, albeit without some floating precogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had it in the UK for a while'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, except that the movie concept was on a fortune teller species'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's so top secret that they actually won't let you refer to it by its real name.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look terribly secret to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they just launched it this year.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another expose we have Mr Assange to thank for'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but I hear that if you say its real name 3 times in front of a mirror in only candlelight, they'll come for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that's right, Mr Assange is wanted for failing to wear a condom, which is a extraditable offence in Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if you want to compare it to a movie/show, person of interest is much closer than minority report'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'using a bank is an extraditable offense there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe, that's not correct Tigernuts. There is no law that says you must use a condom in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno what the appeal is of an alpine paradise sitting on top of a black hole generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what's being claimed'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'methinks it was a joke meaning that they'll find any stupid little thing as cause for the extradition'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'But the whole Assange-debate has derailed so I'm not surprised to see that some seem to think such things.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one oops and nobody will have a chance to go "WTF?  Where'd Sweden go?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then please tell me how a it can be sexual assault when it was consentual?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, woops, that's Switzerland.  But still, Sweden would go fast.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, amnesty international had a charity comedy ball with some cute assange skits :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better arrest them, then'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tigernuts, you shouldn't believe everything you read about the Assange-case. Surely you must realize that consentual sex is not the sole reason for what's happening right now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the reason sweden has given for it's extradition request'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not even a tangential reason for what's happening, we all know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm well aware of the real reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Then you are misinformed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all smoke and mirrors, if governments were honest, we wouldn't be having this debate right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'So everything is a big conspiracy, right? Nothing happened and he's to be extradited. Makes sense?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ask Mr Strauss Kahn'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do him a disservice, he's clearly a predatory sexual deviant - if he's not extradited immediately he'll come around and rape your kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone who disagrees is clearly a terrorst'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'This is what I maen with that the whole debate has derailed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone vocally supporting him will be placed on a watch list and will be prevented from travelling'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're clearly an extremist, ElFeneri, I can see we'll have to keep tabs and make reports on you'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone should put up the Bat Signal so we can get in touch with Raz Alghul'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while the media are focused on Assange, USA is planning to unilaterally impose a no-fly zone over Syria'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia has come out very strongly against'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what possible benefit would there be to -anyone- except the rebels is there was a no fly zone? Haven't people twigged this yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tigernuts I think you have something there. You should let ppl know.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a terrorist, not a person, you should close your ears'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I assume this would mean no-fly for US aircraft. Probably... to avoid getting into fights?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'General! General! Look out! We've got one that can see!'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you reckon was behind hack attacks on wikileaks and rt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't spose the UK and US governments claiming they need to go on the cyber-attack as a means of defence has anything to do with it whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eBay bans sales of potions, spells and curses'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1000 suicides since 2008 in UK directly attributed to financial collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK plc loves expensive insurance - they get a cut of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like google shopping is censoring vitamin sales in certain countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in mind-numbingly stupid politicians: Todd Akins is on the House Science and Technology Committee. He thinks that when a woman is raped, there are ways for her body to shut down and prevent pregnancy, so pregnancies derived from rape are very rare and somehow, this is a valid argument when asked whether or not abortion should be legal in the case of rape.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American politician?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The House Science and Technology Committee. Congressman. Vying for a seat in the Senate (for Missouri). And, apparently, he's in a CLOSE race for November's election.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes and yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not known for their scientific nouse'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claims he heard it from "doctors".'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He also thinks Morning After Pills cause abortions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is such a ridiculous wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't the feds just set up a term limit of 20 weeks for abortions and let states further regulate as per their conscience?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they spent a fraction of the money and effort they currently spend venting hot air and crap on the subject into actually sorting out the causes for unwanted pregnancies, and invest into promoting responsibility and making adoption a good thing, there'd be far fewer pregnancies'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'or we could spend 0 dollars on it, and just let people do what they feel is right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only related legislation i would agree with is punitive action on missing parents who don't cough up'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that would go a long way to resolving the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll always be called the USSR to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ohio GOP Official and full-time racist had this to say about banning weekend voting for the upcoming elections: "I guess I really actually feel we shouldnt contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine,"'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like they don't even care anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anybody online?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ecuador is doing a pretty good job of making sure they get bomb next, right before Iran.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can a town with 7,300 residents have a High School with 3,200 students?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read help bus'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, if I shouldn't waste it, I need a mailing address...'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sperm bank'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rape or not, abortion is not a political issue. It's between the woman, the doctor and sometimes the father. Politicians and religious people need to stay away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I meant stay the fuck away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, "Study: Rape More Likely to Result in Pregnancy Than Consensual Sex."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'duh, what rapist uses condoms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But let's just take Todd Akin's doctors' word for it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'and it's not likely that she's been taking the pill in preparation for any raping'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women who get pregnant due to rape clearly wanted it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's probably using the political version of science, where you make a study, and then do the opposite of the conclusions of the study.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '32,000 U.S. women just WANTED to get raped each year.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'I can't confirm/deny this because I didn't ask for the source, but a friend of mine was talking about this earlier, and her source claimed the doctor he was citing is a periodontist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, he also thinks morning after pills cause abortions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doctors aren't researchers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, SOMEHOW, it's a dead heat with him with a slight lead against the incumbent Democratic Senator because Missouri is going Republican this year and the Republicans fucking don't care who they elect as long as it's a Republican/Teabagger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because they claim abortion also includes the non-implantation of a fertilized embryo'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Personhood starts at the moment of sperm-meets-egg!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney Campaign: "GGovernor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akins statement." - How about "He's a fucktard."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'federal funds can't be used to pay for an abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'iirc'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ryan doesn't even want to give women the choice of abortion EXCEPT for in the case of incest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But ... a lot of people are pushing to get rid of the exemptions for statutory rape and incest'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, not incest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the mother's life is in danger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So screw incest victims and rape victims. If your life isn't in danger, you have to carry the child to full term!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hell, there are nutty fringe Christian groups who think the life of the mother isn't a reason either, and liken it to a mother throwing her baby out of a sinking lifeboat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You see, if God wanted you to have a tubal pregnancy, you're damn well having a tubal pregnancy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why do those topics keep coming up when no president is going to effect anything other than marginal funding changes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Of course, it's perfectly okay for the same guys to get treated for whatever illnesses THEY have.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck?! Henry Aldridge in 1995 (Republican NC House of Reps. DENTIST: "omen do not get pregnant when raped because 'the juices dont flow, the body functions dont work' during an attack, a state lawmaker said yesterday."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I always wondered about the logic behind that. Why is it 'God meant you to have a tubal pregnancy' but not 'God meant me to have prostate cancer, so I'm writing my will.''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the only political tools that work anymore are the Veto and the Filibuster'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He remained in that seat 'til 1998! So he was relected for a 2nd term (aren't House terms 2 year terms?)?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who pays for things is a different issue. In a country like the US, where you are only supposed to get the health care you can afford unless your life is in danger, I suppose it's ok that the mother pays for it herself. In a modern country where wallet size doesn't determine what health care you get, I think abortions should be "free". '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By "free", I mean payed for by taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan doesn't want any of that shit. He doesn't even want abortion to be legal unless the mother's life is in danger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Heh. Well, it's pushed a lot of the wishy-washers into the Obama camp, so you should actually be happy they picked him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans tried to pass a bill where women would have to pay for EVERY themselves UNLESS they were "forcibly raped". So, no insurance, no tax money, no tax deduction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great party for women that GOP.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's STILL a dead heat because the voters are bunch of fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan's latest lies: Obama promised to save the auto industry, yet he allowed a GM plant in my home town to close! How dare he?! He broke a campaign promise!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the voters were really clever, I imagine neither Romney nor Obama would have a snowball's chance in you-know-where'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That GM plant? It closed in 2008, during Bush's presidency!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'same goes for their respective parties :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Well, putting aside semantics on 'forcibly' if they were raped, it was consensual sex. Which means she made a decision, specifically she accepted a risk of birth control failure. If she aborts after coming out on the losing end of the gamble, why SHOULDN'T she pay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sorry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Paul Ryan also claims he was against the stimulus and never asked for stimulus money, yet several letters signed by him on his own stationary were sent out ASKING for stimulus money for his state. He first denied any knowledge of any begging for stimulus money. Then when the letters were produced, he blamed it on his workers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'If they weren't raped, it was consentual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'forgot a very important 'n't'.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there's also incest/statutory rape.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because maybe 13 yearolds don't fucking know better.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Especially not if they were talked into it by an older relative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Also, quite honestly, people who can't pay for abortion don't need to be having children.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan's made an attack ad out of the whole "Obama totally didn't retroactively save that GM plant with his time traveling powers". It's still on the air and he will probably never apologize for it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If they can't pay for abortion, what are the chances of them paying for proper diet, prenatal care, etc?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today's U.S. politics in a nutshell. Lie through your teeth, hope your base consists of fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'happily this seems to be the case for both parties, so it is clearly a winning strategy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah... you give me 3 demonstrably false Democratic attack ads approved and/or paid for by the Obama administration and I'll give you 10 ads approved and/or paid for by Romney/Ryan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm afraid my interest in US politics doesn't extend to their campaign ads, it stops somewhere in the vicinity of actual policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any world issues that need solving ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'weed smoking...good or bad?  GO!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'GOOOOOOD!    case close'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self abuse vs. life ......  prob ur situation is because of ur intake ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get shots because is a condotion of my release - '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they call it dope for a reason imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm a dole bludger atm - supported accommodation - getting armed n angry - gonna make a diff one way or another !'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is bbc news trying to get multicultural nations to conform to islam? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19295861'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '225 billion dollars might make them see the allah'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the wake of the ordinary muslim story, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19311098 Pakistani police have arrested a mentally disabled 11-year-old girl after a mob accused her of desecrating pages of the Koran.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'useful tool for euthanasia mercy killings maybe, 'it was his will''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Last year, Shahbaz Bhatti, the minister for minority affairs, was killed after calling for the repeal of the blasphemy law.  His death came just two months after the murder of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who also spoke out about the issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were both muslims it would seem that not all muslims want to genocide non-muslims and mentally deficient human specimin's'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it seems those other ones are more the hard-liners that are in control of muslims, otherwise they probably wouldn't have been killed'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause that blasphemy story doesn't make much sense does it?  to them i guess god lives in their book, even though they probably know otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'christian slave woman sentenced to death for blasphemously bringing some unclean water to her muslim slave counterparts'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ordinary stuff, lets all convert to allah cause they have tourism 225 billion dollars'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sound like gaddafi flaunting some call-girl converts to islam in italy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty soon it'll be unprofitable to build businesses that sell products to non-muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's eating you today, chemoshypoos?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whicih bits?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's in -h'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1 in 3 people by 2025 will be muslims according to the article'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pakistan?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't see that happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are the islamic countries really outbreeding everyone else that fast?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''jews only' or 'whites only' are easier to spot than 'muslims only''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with racism though, it's why there's laws against anybody but the muslims being racist'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're a religion, not a race'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or didn't they go around and tell white business owners in the racist areas of america that they had to sell their wares and hire black people (to), will they do that with muslims and non-muslims?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a church owned wal-mart and wal-mart owned every business name in town, and wal-mart only sold to it's congregation - would they tell wal-mart what's up?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i understand the question'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the article is about building muslim-centric businesses and hotel's, obeying the quran for the tourists'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and having non-muslims in your muslim facilities might be like the wal-mart scenario over time, depending how prevalent it goes'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you suggest?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that they criticize it's development like they criticized white business owners'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society conforming to racism or religious-segregation both seem about the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Jim Crow was more systemic then small businesses enforcing the Koran'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'most people can just avoid these businesses, whereas blacks had little alternative'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand that, but the same kind of situation can happen over time as things become more normalized and it appears more profitable and 'bought' by the muslims, for the muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine 'jim crow' assuming he's a racist, didn't have trillions of dollars of assets to invest into the process of discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Jim Crow laws were laws enforcing segreagation in the south here in America.  '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably have a system protecting the country from 'jim crow's' but i'm not so sure about multi-trillion dollar investors'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and to think they don't discriminate, the muslims who maybe don't seem to get slaughtered and not have the final say on things, so if they're successful in something like this - it's good to keep an eye on'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '11 year old mentally handicap girls charged for blasphemy by her muslim majority nation, cowardly upheld by the law who sees her for what she is'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or christian woman sentenced to death because her muslim-coworkers accused her of blasphemy for bringing water for them, which was unclean water'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no discrimination to watch out for obviously, but there is isn't there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is why you need to fight against stupid Liberals with silly legislation, like those mafia thugs running Chicago and Boston who said they'd ban Chick Fill A from operating in their cities because of some personal views of the owner'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Islam and Allah are fucknuts insane and should be stamped out before they infect the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if muslims want to live like that, they can stay where they bring it from, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's probably already too late though.  Those nutjobs want to reduce the whole world to a 12th century caliphate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind them having their churches and things like that, but telling society to become pakistan is a little far, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just need some sensible people in charge. Unfortunately you've got Obomney'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'there's bad apples in every religion.  There's people who'd want their nation to be a Christian/Muslim/Jewish nation.  Most of the world is moving toward secularization.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since most of the world isn't, the direction of travel is the opposite direction'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'the protests in the middle east in the last 2 years are testament to that.  People prefer 'freedom' over religious or government oppression.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the Muslim Brotherhood is secular?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libya was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are bad apples in every religion, and Islam seems to be mostly bad apples'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in at least 2 of those 3 countries you're going to end up with Muslim Brotherhood'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government apparently did oppress them though, if virginity tests are any sign of the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's too bad they got a religious government now though, bad things for any not of their religion if other countries are any indication'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably not the type of freedom alot of those protestors were protesting for'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a predictable outcome'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is threatening to impose a no-fly zone over Syria. Hope Russia shoots em down'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no fly zone -> we bomb al-Assad zone -> we get airbase from new gov't -> yay'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'debate yeah, that's all we need.  Another war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I expect the rebels will effectively have won in 2 months time'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're already waging... how many wars?  I've lost count.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know about you, but i find it quite distasteful they'd help a bunch of people that they 'claim' were responsible for a terrorist act, the result of which trillions of my tax payers money has been burnt on a war for, and for which I am now liable to be stopped and searched without a warrant and without just cause for, and have everything i do online tracked and recorded for'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iraq isn't technically a war anymore, since it's just 5k (?) mercenaries under DoJ or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '5000 mercenaries?  It's a war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But...but..look, no soldiers!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also those are peacekeeping mercenaries'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who is the big mercenary company these days?  Is it still Blackwater?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they changed name and moved hq'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they renamed to Xe and then something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they peacekeeping mercenaries that were dressed up as sh'ites that went and bombed in Southern Iraq deliberately to stir up sectarian tensions?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Academi'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting group i thought, trained in killing people but not the military, and not charged for killing people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why aren't they just the military instead?  sounds almost roman or those ostragoths'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm glad the biggest controversy where I live is gas drilling and fracking'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'actually it should be state that has the mercs, not justice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Holder just lets the guns run away anyway..'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't he been prosecuted yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't disagree with them, i just find them peculiar'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'house started their case last week, I think'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice they've been working overtime to try and bury the news about the 1.4bn rounds of hollowpoint ammunition being bought through different internal government agencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It seems highly probable that Holder knew what was going on, and covered things up, and lied to Issa & co.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee, you think?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think only about half of the bullets were hollow point, others were different types, like wallbreaking thingies and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People in power lying?  Tinana, you're such a pessimist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Starling!
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, who is to say DHS doesn't need 5 bullets for each US citizen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need that ammo for training and protection in the field'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they need ammo type that is illegal in war for target practice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this year's orders appear to be 5-6k bullets per DHS employee, so I'm sure it's just for training'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think Obama will stage another fake terror attack before november?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When asked "What method of transportation does the rabbit mainly use", 8 out of 10 respondents in an online quiz game got it right. The other two answers "C) Fly" and "D) Slither". I weep for humanity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world of fluoridated water and tv'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''what we have there is a success' http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html pretty gory, and still they're snorting cocaine and shooting heroine across america, i think they could try out different approaches to the problem but i guess they have their reasons for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't make the media or anything though, just what it's talking about it what i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some 'clear and present danger' or something, seems a little murky though'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe classified reasons, who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i could gather, because in 1970's america was flooded with cocaine which made it less valuable, miami became the murder capital of america until it's availability was restrained and it's value increased'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, that might be the extent of various drug enforcements'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and why they refuse to even talk with south american nations known for their drug production about restrategizing the war on drugs to focus on making it not the most profitable blood-industry around and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine somewhere up there they got it all figured out there'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really care if you snort some cocaine or shoot some heroine except when i think about the death that provides it for you, then that turns me off of using it myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not unique though, i watched a documentary about a mexican border city whose resident cartel donned police uniforms in their enforcers, effectively being the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making sure things go according to the strange kind of law i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'punishing rival cocaine cowboys for not giving their boss (and themselves) a cut of the action, and they best be remembering who the law is'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange received little encouragement from a federal appeals panel when they sought Monday to reinstate their claim that U.S. companies committed war crimes by making the toxic chemical defoliant available for use in the Vietnam War.  The three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals seemed more receptive to arguments by lawyers for the companies and the U.S. government that there was no evil intent when Agent Orange was used to clear the Vietnamese landscape of unfriendly crops for troops. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/agent-orange-victims-support-war-crimes-push-article-1.221089'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i even seen a documentary with a vietnam war vet who got sick from it and got no compensation from the government, so they'll get nowhere with that i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they spent 50 or 500 million dollars on chemical bombing some war on drugs places too, so there's no historical war crime to refer to'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the ruling in the church-diddling case that says priests aren't employed by the vatican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what's the problem with that?  priesthood is not a job :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no evil intent, so instead of homicide is manslaughter?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or .. nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'manslaughter is thoughtless murder. No planning or intent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'It means that you can't sue "the guys making the rules" when they attempt to shuffle the diddlers around so that nobody notices they're diddlers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they must have suspected that some of those villagers would be poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'prove it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some pictures and it's pretty terrible what it did to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll leave bernard shaw quotes out of any proofs, starving enemies to death or dissidents in 1930's is obsolte too'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's just extrapolation at that point and presumption'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thalidomide was interesting too, in 1951 front page news in britain of limbless halt children with defects born thanks to it, but until 1963 applied in the british sovereign canada nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not pro-life or anything but, like to understand what rules it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're using thalidomide in australia for something now, be interesting to see if they cchange it's name and add it to the medicine cabinets of the poor across the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''you worthless poor person' 'get to work at the jobs we sent to mexico and china so you can afford to pay me my taxes or you'll be bernard shaw'd''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin has to eat too you know'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'will the gulag ever come to collect stalin's grain?  or are they ancient history?  replace with a newlag?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been replaced with internet porn.  A real goolag.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the kgb produces all smut porno studio's across north america and europe, collecting stalin's grain for the entertainment of the demoralized masses conspiracy theory?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they let the romanians and middle easterners do the illegal stuff.  KGB is more into the legal porn, the fake "illegal" porn, and mail-order brides.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick middle eastern romanians, where's their business ediquette'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it etiquette'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look up ukrainian porn on google, you'll find some questionable articles'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's where they say on the news the black sea russian fleet is located in non-communist ukraine, which amnesty international claims 600,000 civilians get tortured by the police per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when did Romanians become middle-eastern?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so lookin at that, and wondering if the gulag and world war 2's 'dark ages' and all that kind of treatments are obsolete and irrelevant, it really can be a serious question'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never said they were, he said they produce illegal porno's and kgb does the fake illegal porno's, so i was being sarcastic'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'incidents like these bring into question the use of american tax-payer dollars to supply 'foreign' security forces (in this case a boy was beaten for a bribe and if he didn't pay up he'd be killed) http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes semse if it's how they report, seems to be a legitimate question there'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the war on drugs doesn't seem to stop cocaine and heroine being available on nearly every district in america'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places in alaska maybe are the most difficult to find it at'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If you think about it, after 70 years and all the money we've spent, the war on drugs must be working exactly as intended.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just seems that the stated goals aren't the actual goals.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war on drugs, implicatively supporting the terrorist government enforcers of a foreign government, while they wage a war on terror across the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is what it can appear as lookin through the kind of video's i seen, there seems to be alot of inadequacies and unaddressed concerns'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, exactly as intended is what i was thinking'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully the boy and his mother are alright, but i wouldn't be surprised to find out all the people in that video, sans the higher ups, went missing afterwards'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can understand their hatred'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the woman even mentions in the video that there is no work for anybody in that country, and they'd rather see the us taxpayer money being directed into fixing that problem which would be more effective in a war on drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and for every runway the security forces war on drugs are ordered to bomb, it would cost the druggers about 3 dollars to pay a local impoverished person to repave it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'education and health care and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'affordable housing etc, and she has a point'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the war on drugs is probably going according to plan if they can rule that out and see some higher logic in it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if cocaine was worthless and people thought thinking clearly was the desireable state, and retards think strangely as a mental handicap temporal, then would they be killing eachother about who gets to send it to their logical marketplace as much?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what would they kill eachother over, how to make sure that they like to distort their sanity and become clinically retarded for a duration so that they can keep on milking the bull'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you use cocaine, and commit crimes cause you're inspired by cocaine or cause you need money to get more of it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets you see the fast-ways to make money more'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what they up to'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just ask yourself, Chem... when was the last time you heard about a Coors truck getting robbed, and all the Molson employees rounded up a posse to go kill all the Anheiser crew they could locate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're doing what they have to do in order to protect their investments in a multibillion dollar commodities market.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things multibillions of dollars can buy, i imagine somebody with that kind of money could make just about anything appear real to most people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's something beyond money after you reach a certain level of power though that matters more than getting more of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if that's a taboo commodity and generally crime surrounds it's production and use, and the government is there to advise people on how to live without the influence of crime or else they are liable to the law, who may happen to have a hand in the crime's very roots - and they'll wage war's on terror costing hundreds of thousands of lives from there and abroad across the ocean to tackle opium smuggling terrorists who commit domestic attacks on financial institutions, which could be bought by sale of such commodity - they hesitate to address these issues logically with the reasonable people who partake in such commodity's and who endure their presence in society, what kind of a democratic war on drugs is that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, absolute power is the ultimate end and it is as elusive as happiness :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if i put that right but, seems like a residential school teacher brainwashing the indians, who are multicultural under the government, to be how they want them to be, while providing all the vices they're taught not to partake in, as they will be punished by the people who provided their chosen poison otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there in the video, apparently, is several honduran people stating that american tax-money being spent on security forces there is not desired by them, the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they've got something to gain by saing they don't want that money, especially used as it is, but it's still considerable'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america's 'we the people' democracy infringing the democracy of honduras 'we the people', with their taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what exactly are they protecting, if not creating loathing in their apparently outnumbering citizens to security forces towards america in general?  is that really the way to create a world free from the influence of narcotics?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if such a world was even possible, i think those billions or hundresd of millions of dollars could be spent on developing alternative solutions to the problem that never gets fixed'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'learn to farm and hard work then no one will have time to fight'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'manual labour's some of the most worthless work on earth though, the people who manage it will still have time, or who they work for the money of, i think sharing burden's is an alright thing though'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right in this surrounding land i'm in is enough to survive on for centuries, but that's not how the world is organized, there is no community's like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if there was, they'd be attacked by the government most likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is starting in england I believe I read the article. At least someone is starting.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the republicans can gain some steam if they quit picking on the poor in america and focus on the democracy's in their foreign aid packages who don't want none of the security paid for by the tax payers'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'rep, dem it's one boot or the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet that'd never happen though'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know, probably get JFK'd by voodoo haitians or something if they tried'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that papa doc wikipedia page is classic i don't know, i looked him up while reading through bbc's country profiles'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the people in honduras on the video http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html were asking to quit sending them money from american tax payers, cause then the cartels who pay them handsomely would have no resistance in their conquest of the world - then how come they have such a high homicide rate, disappearing people by security forces and assassination of reporters and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just to keep the criminals from voicing their opposition to foreign aid packages?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wasn't the only one the US supported then discarded later when they became troublesome... Trujillo, Somoza, Noriega and Hussain are others.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it goes to cartels apparently and not the living circumstances of the people there, who don't have many options to earn money legally - and the high value of the drugs makes them almost the only opportunity at wealth'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did they have in common? Well, they didn't like communism :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, i mean the government's security forces'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and don't forget Bin Laden :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about a summit of the americas on bbc awhile ago that said like the woman in the video was saying, about devaluing the drugs and battling the war on drugs with education and opportunity, along with dynamically solving the problem as a democracy and handling it etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there really isn't very much opportunities in the world per capita as there used to be, i think, there was even plenty of independent shoemakers and things like that just 50 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Drugs shouldn't even be illegal. The crime, gangs, and other problems are not related to people using responsibly using recreational intoxicants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just look what happened with alcohol during prohibition. Chicago has never recovered from the mob takeover that bootleg booze funded.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada and america were against democratically considering restructuring the war on drugs and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they had some legitimate points'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager you can find cocaine or heroine even in the cities housing the CIA and DEA headquarters, and is that much of a success?  they go poor to feed their habits might be a success i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But every legitimate argument to outlaw drugs involves the personal risks that the user faces. Everything else is prohibition-related. People are shooting one another because they're high. They're doing it because they got ripped off, and there are consequences. And cartels aren't taking over third-world countries because they're stoned. They're doing it because they have billions to spend and they want a safe haven for their illegal activities.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'People *aren't... I meant to say.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone needs food, love and encouragement then nothing needs to be illegal because there would be less issues'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and overtime should pay 1000 dollars an hour to allow dads and moms to go home to the kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because going home to the kids is a lot more important than feeding them'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not about legalizing murder, or legalizing hurting people. And it's not about rainbows and puppy dogs. Go look up Harry J Anslinger. He's the guy who started it all. He didn't do it to protect the kids. Or to prevent crime. He did it because he was a morphine addict and his pharmacist was giving him a hard time. So he found an easier way to get his drugs, without getting hassled.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a drunk driver will run a stop sign. a stoned drive rwill wait for it to turn green. :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can testify to that :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Ok that was worth a chuckle.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after 20 minutes, it stayed red, so I decided to run it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the personal risks that the user faces are significant, but education and opportunity can impose themselves on awareness of that, right?  they can still get it anyways, just the personal risks are more malevolent with the price and outlaws who barter it - i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babysitting a democracy of responsible child bearing adults, it fails anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babysitting isn't much of an excuse for all of that i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not to mention the increased risk users face from unregulated adulterants that are used to increase profits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'babysitting a democracy is democrasitting'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'anybody feeling angsty today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here wanna save the world ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or at least chew it over ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'humans won't save the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's humans that have destroyed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are either the problem or the soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there is no human solution at this stage'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bike riding hippy vegans don't help ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they contribute less to the problem, but no, they don't actually solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we believe in the panacea of technology ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it would be nice to, but it's technology that is actually destroying the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or the next strain of H1N? flu ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'diseases become immune to treatment over time'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me a lefty but capatalism is destroying the environment imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'people are destroying the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no form of human government has the ability to solve mankinds problems, they are all flawed'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'triple bottom line economics would do something to curb our problems but the comparative disadvantage of it's application will kill the countries economy that institutes it ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the economy is inherently flawed since the 1900s or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's designed in such a way that debt will increase and the economy will eventually crash'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting , mass production ? ford etc ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's not a case of /if/ the economy crashes, it's just a matter of time'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh inbuilt crashes - haven't the last few been caused by non transparent accounting ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the whole system is flawed, the way a bank can receive a $10 depoit then lend out $10,000 based on that $10 real money'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'that $9,990 is practically fictional money, but interest can be charged on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so fractional reserve lending is a prob , yes I agree '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's only a problem if the economy become stagnant. So long as the economy keeps on growing, it's not a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'however, it's impossible that the economy continues to grow indefinitely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at the end of this you either die last - ur ppl in bubbles of a corperate fiefdom or get off the planet first and establish new systems ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in order for the economy to grow continually more and more resources need to be taken from the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'resources like oil are quickly running out. When there are not enough resources the economy cannot continue to grow and will crash.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not to mention, no-one has really considered the effects of taking a large amount of oil from the earth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's basically just assumed that the oil is there for no reason and that it is free to be mined.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the resource wars will come but imo they are already here - the sword is the dollar ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'psh.... oil.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wade in Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'once I finish my campaign'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the water is rational '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'doubt, since you're involved... :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'sick burn'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have learned to pick my window and get out with my tail still wagging - just need practice - but ty for the jibe :P I learn from these '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What are y'all talking about today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the end of the world - no biggy '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not sure what others are talking about, I'm talking about how humans have destroyed the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and that there is no real human solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ahh, didn't know Al Gore played Aardwolf. Welcome, sit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'flawed human economy - makes me want to dust off Marx '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why Marx?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not Al Gore. But to act as if global warming is a myth is the other extreme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left has the soln perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I can understand why people would want to do it though. They feel it dissolves them of any responsibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's something easier to believe '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'absolves - but yeah perhaps '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'absolves / dissolves'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'same thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Global warming is a good thing. Running out of resources is not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz I hate that shit too - again soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'around moron housemates - atm F bring back Zyclon B '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not sure why global warming is a good thing.....aren't the deserts growing? Could not global warming account for the increase in freak weather?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'global warming increases the livable areas and promotes biodiversity and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Global warming isn't bad, nor is it good. You can't assign a moral value to the actions of natural processes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'just for the record I do not believe this is a natura spike in global temperature as some "scientists" would have you believe'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But the consequences of those processes might be either good or bad for us, as a species. And our fellow species.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's unnatural, caused by humans and pollution/deforestation etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more atmospheric co2 improves photosynthesis and thus all plant life'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and makes it possible for plants to survive in drier areas'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps we are in for a time of economic Darwinism ? the poor can't protect against weather etc which is becoming more extreme - they die - only the savy live - jeez I'm fucked '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Gregor - I agree. I got my degree in geography.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz can we swear here  R ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, you drinking again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for the climate changes, current models appear to be rather worse than mean-reverting random walk models, and realistic measurement errors are the same size as the supposed warming'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we live in domes or terraform the moon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac apparently I'm worse sober - I really don't like humans alot of the time but thats my  own sys bug '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't really know what there is to debate concerning climate change though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Other than we we as a collective can do about it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we are in for more weather events that  involve refugees ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It appear reasonably clear that the world has become warmer over the past generation, but given the limitations of current climate science and models, the size and causes of the warming remain unresolved'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Most likely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah Tinada, but even from the estimates that do exist we can make reasonable inferences. We can also begin to look for plausible courses of action.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the spirit of increased vigilance is it only the reporting of  weather events that has made an increase of has there been a real increase ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'otherwise it's what....a huge coincidence...? that post-industrial-revoluation the global temperature has done nothing but rise on aggregate??'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if global temperature continues to rise as it has been, and certainly might, we are going to be in trouble in the not too distant future.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Gregor I don't think anybody is arguing that it wasn't human-caused...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'at least not here'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Some people will though Zac'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'wasn't sure if that's what tinada is hinting at'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK Greg - I'll take it as moot that the agregate temp has increased - has weather events - ie floods /  cyclones also increased ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And I'm not too sure about the "trouble" part. There will be consequences, but we aren't going to blow up the earth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'some people believe it's a natural flow of increased temperature / decreased temperature between ice ages, which personally I feel is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have a beef with  "the point of no return" theory tho '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it causes the "well it's fucked already" rational imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can I swear here - R? I don't wanna get banned Again... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't care.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'pretty sure you can swear here if you want, don't really see why it's necessary though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So as to your question about severe weather - '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they say swearing is the refuge of those who struggle with limited vocabulary.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the tech is there imo to curb alot of the damage we do to the environ ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the tech is there yes. But is it possible to curb people's greed? I don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'there are a couple of things that are leading to increased severity of storms. The first is melting icepacks and glaciers, and the second is the warming of surface waters. Both lead to more events.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz is a crass form of expression - I'll try better '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if a fraction of the $ that was spent on weaponry every year was taken, it could solve world poverty/hunger issues.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the tech is there, the resources are there. You can't stop people's greed though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I wonder if it global warming and/or damage to the environment could also be related to increase in earthquakes and their severity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Doubt it gregor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm worried about the  power of guidelines  from the EPA etc are too slow to act beacuse the country nextdoor will not impliment the same regs and so the country that impliments it last (china) will gain comparative advantage making environmantal control a limiting factor in a countries economy - ie a disincentive? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What I am saying is, (1) The IPCC notion that co2 is the primary driver of observed warming since 1970 is neither proved nor likely. Minor variations in cloud cover or solar activity are sufficient to explain the changes, (2) The uncertainty of the measurement process is far higher than claimed, likely by an order of magnitude, (3) Their climate models are worse than random walks, ie. functionally useless until improved, (4) Most of the supposed coming warming is from positive feedback effects which don't match observations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I don't think it's unlikely; granted we may not aware of an exact link at this stage.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(5) Global warming (in the +2C range) is good (economic, biodiversity), (6) More atmospheric CO2 (2x range) is good (more effective photosynthesis), (7) The proposed economic solutions don't work and cause more problems than they solve and (8) This entire process moves focus from the real problems (resource shortages, pollution etc) '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and that list is rather incomplete too :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What are your sources for these claims?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'for example, could removal of oil from the ground influence the severity and friction between tectonic plates when they collide?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great post Tin - where from ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not from any place in particular, I'm just making my own list'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo Gray no but ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so you are just guessing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great to havy you here then Tin '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I may possibly have read some research. 1-4 is uncertain/open to debate, 5-8 is pretty much certain, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we can  plan from either end of the spectrum  '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm ok with opposing views, but without sources, they aren't really wort a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'though could minor variations in cloud cover depend on more co2 in the atmosphere?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'tinada is the source.......'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran (G'day) is good to have a range to work with ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is true that IPCC is a bit weak on the science, they watered down the effects of global warming, so it's probably worse than they claim.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But 5-8 may be true.... for the western world.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm still confused as to what the argument actually is. Does anybody have an argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'base tho - stuff is going to get worse or stay the same - is not going to get better - the driver is economics - no one country can change without experiencing disadvantage - ergo all countries need to change together and regulate industry/domestic sources of energy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there Ya go Zac chew on the ratational one '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rational*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The normal argument is that because IPCC is doing things 100% right, global warming must be a hoax and we should burn fossil fuels as fast as we can. Not saying that's the case now, but it's a common discussion on debate :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'eh, I meant _not_ doing things 100% right'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you saw my eyes widen didn't u :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not exclusively economic. That was my general problem with Marxian thought.... he relates everything to economic capital while disregarding other forms... social, political, moral capital are all valuable as well. But anyway. There are plenty of nations that can enact protective environmental measures without there being a significant detriment to their international standing, politically or economically.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'across the carbon tax in Oz ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n yeah Marx is pretty dated but is a lefty touchstone '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ranrr, that train of thought is pretty ludicrous. Please tell me nobody actually espouses that on here, do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is actually the industry standard argument ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(5) is relatively straightforward if you look at the location of assorted climate zones and current biological and social possibilities. For (6), there is a large body of research dealing with the beneficial effect of increased atmospheric co2, as, say, any random search for something like co2 and crop yields will show.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dilute that for us dumb asses Tin ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tell the people living in desert and drought areas that they need another +2C'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tinada is suggesting that global warming (assuming it was caused by CO2), is not necessarily detremental.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Curiously, more atmospheric co2 also allows plants to live in drier areas, which may be part of the reason for recent desert shrinkage'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And that there are good things to come of it, such as making a wider range of areas on the Earth more habitable, increasing plant growth/crop yeild, so on...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'maybe so, but you have desert areas popping up at other places'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Deserts are just as viable of an ecological niche as a tropical rain forest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(7) follows from more or less basic economic theory, and the need to practically eliminate fossil fuels in an impossibly short window. As for the cost/benefit analysis, even if you ignore (5) and (6), you would realistically have to kill a couple billion peoples to get significant climate effects. (8) is also rather obvious given that resource shortage prevents any of the IPCC type solutions short of killing the vast majority of humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'not necessarily for the people living there zacc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'any change has associated costs, this does not mean that the overall result is bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then they can move.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah where I was from (central Oz) will turn into a sparse woodland from a desert by 2050 according to natioonal geographic magazine ..  but the flood of environmental refugees will eat us out of house n home and while drifting pick up no job skills so an economic drain too ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tell poor people who don't even have food enough for the day to move, it's not that simple'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we are back to environmental/ economic Darwinism ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sadly, a not insignificant part of recent food crises are due to changing crop land to hilariously ineffecient subsidized fuel production.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thb I welcome that '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So Tinada, you're contention then is that we shouldn't be so worried with global warming and climate change, but with resource shortages?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And if we really were to cut our use of fossil fuels, you know which couple billion people would die - it's not us.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the resource wars I mentioned ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I have a cool article about resource wars I can link...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not scholarly, but it's video game related:-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't know about worrying, I don't quite have the personality for that. I think resource (energy, water, soil) shortages and pollution (not co2..) are where we should concentrate efforts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - we are coccroaches - if it exists - we will use it to live  imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1212125-closed-map-experiment/'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I agree with you Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except I would be more "worried" about how my family/people/country made sure that we had resources, and not everybody on the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those are serious problems though, and I'm not sure there is any practical solution short of some world government-ish thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I do agree with you there Tinada, there are far more important issues than the co2, but saying the co2 isn't bad at all is a bit much I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK that we have established that shortages will be the pinch point  extrapolate - in future there will be wars over resources - my point is that it is happening already - the sword is the dollar ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Co2 is the gas of life, it is a good thing! Plants also need to breathe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there might be one or two incidental benefits from increased Co2 in the environment, but the overall effect of global warming is negative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'zad - tone the marxism down a notch. regor - references? inada - Too much of anything can be bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so who is to say recent floods and hurricans, earthquakes, tsunamis aren't the cause of more co2 in the atmosphere? I know there might be natural causes aswell, but no one knows that for sure either'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I forgot the at sign does color changes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is true, hence my initial 2xrange restriction. Burn all known fossil fuels and we might possibly get there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'are you suggesting seismic activity is the result of increased co2 in the atmosphere?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Zacc, was really just talking about your points of melting polar caps + increased water temperature causing more severe storms.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Some scientists predict that huge parts of the UK will be under water by 2040'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Or did I get that wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'maybe not co2, but could be a result of less oil in the ground'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my concern relates to the OZ economy - we are only rich because China is buying our resources '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's also that massive nuclear furnace in the sky'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sun or Sun Tzu ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sea levels are somewhat confounded by significant land masses still rising after previous ice age, so you could argue that the sea is rising, we just don't notice it much, since the land is also rising..'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would be interesting to read the verdict from scientists in teh year 3000 when they conclude why things happened the way it did with the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty Tin so again we can say that the difficulty is a lack of current resources not a change in climate - given that it is "normal" ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Even normal climate change creates problems, and since at least some of the climate change is driven by humans, it is not unreasonable to divert some resources to help nations which are worse off'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'foresight/hindsight is 0/20 ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok by what mechanism can we do that Tin - NOTA ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'NATO*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and at what point do we wright em off ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Write*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is a bit tricky too, since a large portion of the problems seem to end up in already poor nations, and those nations are largely poor as a result of internal problems, lack of higher level social structures and institutions and whatnot, making large scale interventions (see: last two generations of aid) mostly wasted'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also bonus points for excessive use of large'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the present power is capatalism perhaps a tax on all trades on all stock exchanges - tho that then creates a black market '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wouldn't worry too much about relatively sophisticated resource based economies (Australia etc), since SE Asian demand/economies are likely to put you in a generation long boom'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can do a financial transaction tax, you just have to make it tiny, not the 1% craziness suggested by some people'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL Tin they regularly end up here on unsafe  boats and the prevailing occer sentiment is to just sink the boats '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes it needs to  be .01 etc but accross the board imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is another unpleasant problem. Should we (a) give one more or less random person asylum in Norway or (b) spend the same amount of money helping 20-100 people in Somalia (or wherever)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tzadkiel.
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Personally...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great tangent ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Fuck Assange. Language for added emphasis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb Io! Assange supporter over here - but go on '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and send all that money to me over here in Burundi.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think in general - every other species has natural dieback - why should we be exempt ? just at what level - look at the eugenics policies of the Nazis ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the useless cunts that can't find a job in Oz (5%unemployment) are keeping our intrest rates down - kill em an inflation increases ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, I don't know where you're going.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so as a resolution of our last  exchange - a  fixed tax of .01 for  a stock trade goes to a NATO? gov body and helps reform our  resource dependant wy of life ??? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'not NATO...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the powers that be .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Most of the viking activity happened before the Scandinavian countries were unified'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '21 aug 19'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tinada, I must know what that was about.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my surname is Vigar ! son of Odin that avenged his  death !'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb - need beer '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not most, all. '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am  I basically lucid ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'any of y'all redditors?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The period for viking was 800-1200 (ish), the countries were formed starting from 1500 (ish)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran U ever heard of Vigar - I've only come across  it recently and maybe my mentor playing with me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'redditors / explain ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh Zac we can't waste our oxygen wasters even though our 5unemployed for more than 5 yeaars just hit 100k of a 29mil pop  because they keep our inflation down '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so thank the next bum you see for that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I still lucid ? 10-4 comeback left hanging here  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone resopnd ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'ahh gay'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'lost power, had to start my generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I wnet for more  beer  but I am mixing mogodon and shots idk bout so it looks fine to  me but ouitput can be shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool with R regulating just wanna know when'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually gettin g to the stsge where I should log off imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just don't have a place that I can be soft  and ppl can be soft around me - is a real issue  '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I buy a manor will I get a       manor chan nel ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok next deb  -  a     softplace -    '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK TZ  out - ty for   theinput'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'alright peace.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was it foreign aid packages that resulted in a toronto porno-theatre owner coming to toronto from tanzania, what made him choose that destination? 1980's, just curious speculating on the cameroon bailout of 2000'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'widespread government corruption and human rights abuses in tanzania too, so possibly they're on par with one another, like gaddafi's son owning condo's in toronto - maybe it's the upper echelon of worldwide criminal organizations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that happen to be governments too'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want to come from canada from tanzania where we voodoo witchcraft white albino's and the average income is eaten by flies so that i may open a porno theatre in your downtown sector'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the common sense in the world, astronomical odds like a asteroid from outer space'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ridden by aliens no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they mentioned it on the news and the article seemed like a total mockup not worthy of the news, except for implication in some form of criminal activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if foreign aid buy's bazooka's for cartels in south america, i don't see why it doesn't buy multimillionairre porno operators in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from .. tanzania'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any real nation would want it's population to be satisfied within their own borders means, including housing and education, security which they willfully participate in, before feeding a hungry mouth somewhere else, which is ruled by people who are not hungry'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thats naive chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it really?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's best to cater to their foreign investments owning porno theatres in your nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well that will be in the wonder world but, real world dosent work that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because you were feeding starving children and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it does though, definitely has in the past'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what history i read in modern times'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh yea in the past maybe, now i dont know is like, well maybe that guy in france does care but they so few'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'h -5'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'oops :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well have to go cya'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american war on drugs to protect the people, while they cut programs for the poor and uneducated in america, and their enforcing security in south american nations is the 'main murderers' in those nations and oppressors of the poor, thanks to the war on drugs money that was more neccessary than programs for the poor in america, which alot of the civilians in the aided war on drug nations seem to be against because it doesn't solve a thing - is one shining example'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can find millions of articles on that though, check some sources etc and compare it to see how real it appears'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much was drug cartels wanting the american opposition removed from their bartering circles, and how come they silence people who question america in the nations where drug-money rules, including reporters and things like that, if america wasn't aiding and abetting the criminals with the money, as criminals are usually the ones who murder people who are right'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously a foreign nation will kill reporters and anybody who is opposed to american security from american tax payers, because they're obviously against drugs being illegal and can't be shunned through logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of having themselves a hayday with the money, enacting their will on others like those contra's in the 70's and 80's'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's why they silence them instead'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just seems dirty to me, i think they should provide more transparency in these processes so that people can make sure their taxes aren't being used misappropriationately, as they were in haiti in the 60's and 70's and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they should acknowledge their law is a criminal and be a solidarity nation of the devil'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From an early stage, the rebels received decisive financial and military support from the United States government, initially supplemented by the Argentine dictatorship of the time. After U.S. support was banned by Congress, the Reagan administration tried to covertly continue contra aid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but in the 'real world', nothing like that has taxes wasted on it any longer, human rights abuses etc, funding the people in charge for the crimes against humanity that generate world vision commercials and thingsl ike this'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like 93 members of congress tried to veto this war on drugs in the video from aljazeera too, funding to honduras'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt they'll get anywhere with that though'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million dollars and phone calls to your sister might spook you into action at the airport, slipping the cocaine in an inconspicuous place'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or those pre-cleared shipping containers for notorious companies in canada and mexico border services, they have an electronic chip, so obviously they don't require any human scrutiny'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'costs too much to keep things secure anyways, unlike investing in security in other nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whose people appear to be against it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should develop a rape panel in the united nations that monitors conduct between nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that? you thought you had money invested in a pension? Not for long, the banks are about to defraud you out of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Cops interrogate mother and write report for 'letting her kids play outdoors''
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'OMG, what was she thinking?!  Like, doesn't she know about all the smog, missing children, traffic, gangbangers who can't shoot what they're pointing their guns at, and the hole in the ozone layer?  Take those kids away from her before they get hurt, man!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'former marine committed indefitinely for questioning 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the germs!  It should be a capital crime that soil is just dirt infested with microbes, rather than an artificial blend containing a goodly amount of sanitizer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and just 30 years ago according to what i read, A Sandinista militiaman interviewed by The Guardian stated that Contra rebels committed these atrocities against Sandinista prisoners after a battle at a Sandinista rural outpost: "Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off. They were killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit." -- so what level of violence are american foreign aid packages and wars on drugs for american liberal's haltered at supporting, insistently?   From the mid-1980s, as the Reagan administration and the rebels sought to portray the movement as the "democratic resistance," members started describing themselves as la resistencia. -- if what i'm reading is correct i mean, and what i read in modern media and things like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras#Human_rights_violations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could get a pretty strong case against non-transparent government funding if there really was any democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From an early stage, the rebels received decisive financial and military support from the United States government, initially supplemented by the Argentine dictatorship of the time. After U.S. support was banned by Congress, the Reagan administration tried to covertly continue contra aid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i only consider this stuff cause of what they mention in the al jazeera video, and speculating on other stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html apparently some of the citizens there of the war on drugs government in honduras think the police armed by the united states are the main killers there'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the other story has any historical reality to it, and their missing reporters and highest homicide rate media cencorship are any indication'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but obama's 7 billion over 10 years obamacare republican propaganda's a bigger kind of priority than 500 million tax dollars per year to provide their services to hondurans'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it 7 trillion?  something anyways, they probably got a thousand or more war on drugs governments in the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying Obama is Emperor Palpatine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i was considering their priority's, mentioning their firm support for israel aside'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'campaigning to the democracy underneath who is most concerned about a nation beyond'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I see, so you ARE calling him Emperor Palpatine!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police drag off christian talk show host to a mental hospital and is diagnosed with "psychosis" because of his faith'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'playing both sides of the field, initiating the destruction of this or that state as it becomes convenient for him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you feeling screwed yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I lost just under half my income with no prospects of recovery.  I was screwed about 2-3 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do a happy dance though, you have black president - that has to be worth something, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's as black as Michael Jackson, and nearly as crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like there's some real honduran people in the video mentioning what they think should be done to really combat a war on drugs, coming from the people who live within it not of their own free will'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michael Jordan would have made a better president'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's the deaf american wise-man foreign affairs minister'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least Michelle won't let him dangle Malia off the upstairs balcony...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anyone would have made a better president, and that includes Jimmy Carter'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretending that marxist-leninism wasn't what the nazi's were exterminated for not participating in?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one assumption you could extrapolate from listening to hitler's own speeches'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'd like to personally thank the baby boomer generation for completely screwing us all over'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real horror will come after we boot him out.  Just look at what Jimmy Carter did afterwards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''dear canada, elect me, i want whats best for israel in mind, think of new jerusalem and jesus coming down from heaven to trample the sinners in the winepresses of the lord, amen''
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how to win at politics in modern democratic nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Jesus was a jew, he own't be when he comes and sees what Israel stands for these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it's a real canadian, the female body has ways to shut that down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that austria cartoonist nazi-war criminal probably sees strange occurrences like that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's romney campaigning in israel for?  that's odd, and obama incurs a promise to sacrifice all americans in defense of the holy land, as per mandate'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'expatriates.  Obama does it, too.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both counting on Israel attacking Iran so that they have an excuse to'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah really, that's what i notice, i wonder why they're so important compared to everybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gets around the UN issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia and China would veto them, otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're a multicultural nation with international harmonization or something akin to that in mind, at least to preserve your multiculturalism, you shouldn't be relying on favouritism from minorities or really any foreign nation who is at odds with another, who you don't seem to want to remain neutral about'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most expats went to Israel, a bunch more of the rest went to other friendly nations, a few took off to countries we weren't so friendly with (heritage ties mostly, with some being like the American Taliban)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think remaining neutral about controversial international issues not directly relevant to your own nation is the best kind of way to be for a country'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's relevant to international law or something like that, then that's something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can't be global on just some issues, though.  If you're gonna trade in my country and potentially take away my jobs, you gotta be willing to pony up when the shit hits the fan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's right and who's wrong?  apparently a woman from washington d.c got ran over by a bulldozer or a tank while protesting the international boundaries being trespassed by israel around year 2000'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they named a warship after her'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but in the politics, they rather focus on the people who ran her over and getting their support for the main vote'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'idon't know how anybody but a jew can call themselves much of a patriot cause of things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending what all tehy're considering, maybe they have some logic that i don't to reason with'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of rediculous to be basing your entire family trees existance around securing the holy land for moses people you read about in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that's the way into heaven like the rich man who wouldn't follow jesus'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing satisfactory about your own life, then what's the conflict that prevents that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems more relevant than some holy war doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how is that ridiculous?  King David's Caesar-like inclinations aside, they were some pretty badass dudes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you sign the oil contracts that roosevelt signed with the saudi royals before world war 2?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it some politician who didn't consult you first?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody with some combat training and manufacturing facilities + a workforce to make weapons and develop science of war is a badass today'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why they assassinate iranian nuclear scientists and things like that, trying to prevent goliath from overtaking david'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's understandable, i don't like alot of them muslims either, but they're not all the same evil to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got a war brewing with egypt and iran, some contra operations in syria and lebanon possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably in the end it's all about who collects their taxes and tells them how to live'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the meantime, military drafts are not out of the question and things like that, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're making sure all jews join the military now, regardless of religious belief'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's the one responsible for it all?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marxist-leninist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it older'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, real badasses invent tactics that outlive their creators.  You can effectively argue that The Bible is the authority on how to win wars.  EVERY single martial account described in the bible has been used in the 20th century.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black flag operations, cult of personality 'the lord wants you to kill every man, woman and child' in the city and things like that, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there might be some it doesn't cover but alot of the ones covered have simile's in reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what battle in the 20th century used the tactic of playing trumpets to break the defenses? }:>'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whistleblowers?  who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guess we could say the blaring of bad music in compound sieges, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like a disney musical if they mean it literally, unless they're like that persian army wearing animal skins to dismay the egyptian opponent'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc sings "And the walls, came tumbling tumbling"
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the trumpeting was a diversionary tactic.  It didn't actually do any damage to the walls.  It was used to cover up the sounds of the army climbing in through a window.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was also the siege benefit of getting on everyone's last nerve, thinking the attack was going to start.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genghis khan marching around the city until the people surrendered, and lighting 5 campfires per group of men to give the illusion of many more '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for the scouts'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say they read about it in his journal'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Secret History of Genghis Khan, it was a biographical piece meant for the royal eyes only so they can incorporate the genius of Khan while also avoiding his flaws.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet to the eskimo's, the holy land was a land where the government didn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad they got fucked in the end, huh?  i wonder what was worse, natural hardships or human-tactics'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, the holy land was the ice floes.  There's not really one eskimo people, though, but suffice to say that their Prometheus figure got in some real deep shit trying to woo someone's wife and he died in the sea, causing the ice to form around his body.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/2012820102749246453.html interesting kind of knowledge-system on earth here, western education anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was saying the work opportunities remind me of clinton's wisdom being bartered for 100,000 dollar per seat in saskatoon sk a few couple years ago, maybe lots of work opportunities if you go and listen to the wisdom of the clintons'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the province has a population of about 950,000, 900 back then - and most of those live below the poverty line, so couldn't listen to the wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a movie, or maybe it was south park cartoon, where cartman or somebody is looking for proof of slavery in america, and consulting a university director on how he gets away with it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using sports athletes as his slave collection'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny, cause in that article they mention something just like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'couple that with bernard shaw's 'justify your existance or be zyklon b'd speech', who's a prominent figure in the london school of economics, fervent stalin supporter and national hero with an art festival named after him in canada - and you can wonder where it's all eventually headed'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it was about crack-babies playing basketball'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess in just about everywhere if you read the wrong material you can be lined up against a wall and shot though, at least several media reports indicate that kind of systematic control of the temple of knowledge and public thought schematics'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can't make them see common sense your way, because they see a flaw in your logic, shoot them because you see it too and require yourself to be rid of your own misdoings, killing makes things real, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and instead of teaching people about things they'll burn down a library, call tehm the infidel harrowing torment of the 'deity' and slave / execute them , to keep things in harmony with the own inadequacy of their absence of logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that once they remove thought maybe, with ai electronic robots who can be opposite of truth with a simple logic switch, they will have been right all along'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'informed people make informed decisions, simple solution is to make relevant information out of reach'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if everybody in the country was as aware as it's leader, who can't pull the wool over their eyes about all of the issues that plague their nation - i read about this kind of education on mussolini's wikipedia page'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'whois abernacky'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Is that so.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'was a miss mate'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Who is John Galt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In a blog posting early this year, Cruz vowed that as senator he would fight against "a dangerous United Nations plan" on environmental sustainability that he said was aimed at abolishing "golf courses, grazing pastures and paved roads."'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's Texas Tea Party candidate for Senaste Ted Cruz, everyone. Your potential tax money at work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the democratic process under capatilism has a diminished power ? tbh buisness runs things in the developed world ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Tea Party candidate Cruz also against the dangerous United Nations plan to declare pink elephants an endangered species'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy! lol all the crazies are here !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He probably would be if someone who hates pink elephants gave him 50k.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Yuna - someone wanna explain the whole tea party thing ? a grass roots movement or just hype and platform ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a grass roots movement. A bunch of rich old white men started a movement that got a bunch of angry racists to join up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also crazies. A lot of crazies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so no traction beyond the stupid racists ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, there is. But at heart, it was started and funded by rich old white men and its membership is made up by mostly racists, crazies, conspiracy theorists and overall haters of everything that isn't white (and mostly male).'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so right - ie republican  in US ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'have you just never paid attention to U.S. politics?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, if they hate things that aren't male, I guess they a gay movement...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats are right-leaning as well. But the Republicans are very right-wing. The Tea Party is so right-wing there's no precedent to them outside of fascists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna sees men wearing black suits and sunglasses following him everywhere he goes :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm young and insane - tbh yes just learning how this all works and don't watch alot of TV - and insane - did  I mention that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did I insult you, Starling? Are you a Tea Partier?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some usa Republicans are disinguous crook nutters -- a republican congressman wanted to ban wind farms because that may slow the air flow required to clear smog from cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, I do like tea, and I do like parties.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't confuse tea party with lemon party, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disingenuous'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Todd Akin (Republican, of course), Senate hopeful from Missouri said THIS WEEK that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy because the female body can shut that kind of shit down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Disinguous?  What's "disinguous", Xyliz?  Is it anything like "disingenuous" ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey Ran - don't  knock the lemon party - tounge lashing like no other !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom didn't shut that shit down. :('
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too slow Starling'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol deb chan  just a pissing contest again '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone know about processing tree stumps into firewood here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'strokes everyones ego btw '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'with an axe'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'inefficient - '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone correct my spelling pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'by the same Republican logic, forests and tall buildings also slow air flow, (even more so, since the wind farm propellers at least move out of the wind path)'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck would slowing down air flow do, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans have no problems poisoning the air with pollution, but slowing down air flow for the sake of lowering pollution rates, we can't have THAT, now can we?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have access to an excavator  with a claw that can split  stumps but it ties up the operator and machine - I want a stand alone eq ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the miniscule slowing of the wind (likely less than 0.00001%) that clears smog from cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the Opposite World logic here is that we can't allow wind power to take root because it would clear smog from cities sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly slower. We must instead rely on fuels that create smog in the first place? Stellar logic!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yuna I'm gonna assume  U R US -  democracy is  $1 a vote - you want change  , change  ur buying habits cause the politicians are all making policy from a buisiness lead '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope. Swedish.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- Swede , unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, Todd Akin, of "Legitimate rape rarely results in pregnancy" fame released a state where he said he misspoke a single word, implied to be "legitimate". So he still thinks women's bodies can shut down and prevent conception when they are raped.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that there are still so many willing to vote for him, many of them women, is astounding.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'sadly propaganda still works yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, Mitt Romney on why he didn't reveal his energy plan Tuesday, as he'd originally planned, during an event: "I know that we have members of the media here right now, so Im not going to go through that in great detail,"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - gogle  does lots but you guys are my go to peeps first '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I have plans to make the U.S. a better place! Obama's plans aren't working! But I'm not going to reveal my plans! Because the press are present!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just like he won't release a single year's complete tax returns because, as Ann Romney puts it, there's ammunition in them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'good luck on that '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People speculate that it's because he might've taken the amnesty deal the government gave to tax evaders a few years back. I think that's actually a likely scenario. And I will continue thinking that 'til he release a SINGLE year's full tax return.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yuna try vegan sites for self suicciency ? otherwise move ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you talking about, Tazdkiel? Vegan? Also, I'm Swedish. I live in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo democracy is bullshit and you just need  to look at ur spending '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'grow ur own '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rush Limbaugh called Todd Akin's comments stupid and urged him to withdraw. Rush Limbaugh!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden? That's the country where they make cheese, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'niether of those names set prices imo - the consumer has a responsability to buy with ethics in mind - or shoot the guy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck it  shoot all unethical buisinesmen !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol OK Tz out - advocating violence - however justified - go to my Al Quieda site :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, "legitimate rape" is what the tsa employees do at airports'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, the official national Republican Party platform for 2012 includes a federal ban on abortions except for in cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your tax money at work, people.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tod Akins may've been educated on women's bodies while watching Farscape'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the female character on Farscape (played by Claudia Black) was able to control her ovulation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Sci-Fi tvseries is where republican candidates are getting their "education" ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not let your kids watch "Scooby-Do" -- they may grow up mentally retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'worse, they may become Scooby-Do educated republican politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Confused as to how Todd Akin could possibly think "legitimate rape" doesn't result in pregnancy? Republican Congressman Steven King (Iowa) said this today that he's never heard of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest with the words "Well I just havent heard of that being a circumstance thats been brought to me in any personal way" in response to a question about the subject.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're paying these clowns, U.S. citizens!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not rape if the victim doesn't beat herself in the stomach until she's sterile or dies! Don't you know that?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyhillanth: 'I proclaim my penis as the biggest in all lands surrounding.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The Onion's response to Akin...  http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-misspokewhat-i-meant-to-say-is-i-am-dumb-as-dog,29256/?ref=auto'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon men won't bother having sex anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because sex will need to be predicated on a contract signed in the presence of a lawyer'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man pulled from flight and subjected to 4 searches, interrogation, and a 12 hour delay - treated as a terrorist because he was wearing a satirical shirt'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the majority of vehicular accidents are caused by not paying attention, mental impairment too, then is catering to people's not paying attention the proper way to do things? http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19349517'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should people be pulled off flights because tsa "didn't like the look of them", or because "they looked a bit foreign"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you be pulled off flights because they didn't like the way you dressed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can see it's use if people still pay a proper amount of attention and can over-ride autopilot, like cruise control - but computer glitches of mass destruction and the infitrability of anything networked and electronic seems ominous'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should you be arrested for yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater (before or after the aurora shootings)?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that the same as wearing a t-shirt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, you shouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'satire.  You don't get arrested just for wearing a tee shirt, you get arrested for what is on it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you shouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at worst, asked to take it off'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which means you are there looking to either incite or for attention.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they probably know better, right?  there's freedom of expression and speech removed daily, even though the people it's removed for weren't exercising it while they did their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you ever heard the time "Nazi"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only place they challenge muslim garb is in france'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably was asked.  It's just more politically advantageous to insinuate he wasn't.  Bad cop stories are all the rage now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was asked, and he agreed to take it off, but that didn't stop them pulling him off the flight'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a grade A major overreaction and completely uncalled for'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in your example, no, the guy shouting Fire in a movie theatre should just be booted by the staff and banned from entry'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why was he stupid enough to follow through with something he knew was going to end badly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would he know?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Oh, I don't know.  9-11, maybe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with a t-shirt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're going to stress a cop out, you don't reach out and intentionally incite him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't ac op'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cop'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was being incited'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'same difference, the man got arrested.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or do you believe people should be arrested for "looking at you funny"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the police should march around in hobnail boots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how's this for freedom of expression -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16161065 but i bet the airline that charges a man and subjects him to anal probes looking for weapons of mass destruction lands in south korea regularly'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not dissimilar to the case of the guy who got arrested for "not smiling" while watching an olmypic event'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?  We arrest unrelated men who look at children or otherwise place themselves in situations that might seem inappropriate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless the flight was in one of those crazy places where they anal probe everybody for stalin's grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or for the guy who got arrested for tweeting something vaguely mean about an olympic athlete who didn't do as well as he'd hoped'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not at all similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely identical in terms of the scope'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all breaches of freedom of speech/expression'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what was on the tee?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If someone was wearing a t-shirt that had sharpie writing saying "I have a bomb and I'm going to blow up flight 123 at 3:30 on August 8th", I probably wouldn't let him on flight 123 at 3:30 on August 8th.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for a t-shirt slogan'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he was going to visit south korea on a art expedition'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they shouldn't allow granny panties on flights.  Those things are huge, you could hide a lot of explosives in there!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a mock picture of the tsa symbol with the eagle carrying off some shoes, tipping out a drinks bottle, with a small font legend "moisture bombs zomg zomg terrorists gonna kill us all zomg zomg alert level bloodred run run take off your shoes"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had nothing to do with security, and everything to do with not liking being mocked'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sad thing is, I heard rumours they were planning on bringing in scanners to UK trains/underground'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sounds like it. If it was a security thing, you think they'd have raised the issue at the checkpoint rather than letting him on the plane and dealing with it during/after, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately I don't use the trains and rarely go to London, as I certainly won't be now'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it might be impossible to get total security ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so replace the picture with something obscene.  A graphic dead body, hell, maybe even something advertising the vagina monologue's tour.  Sometimes things are just inherently inappropriate no matter what rights you get.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's a reasonable amount and how many fronts is it applied through, here there's the government and private security corporate interests and everybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the point, hans'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about appropriateness of response. the appropriate respose would have been to take him aside and ask him to change his shirt'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it IS the point.  If you are aware that it might cause an issue, don't get all shocked if you get called out on it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do some alright work and stuff, it's not all bad - but i think education and honest police and things like opportunity would go a long way to a longer-lasting, us with them kind of security'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people that go through an airport get asked if having their nutsack groped by a convicted paedophile is appropriate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people going through the airport get asked if it's appropriate to be bombarded with microwave radiation many times higher energy than a half dozen xrays'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're arguing a slippery slope, sir'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they have freedom of expression 'rows' like that in vancouver transit, wearing their shirts inside out or no ride'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unfortunately it's that kind of 'justification' that is making the world shit right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could always just assume that if a terrorist dresses like you, you must be one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or we could quit the ridiculous police state brought in on the back of largely fabricated and/or self-inflicted terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you praising terrorism or making light of the entire situation that has 99% of the world twitching in their sleep?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capiche?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there on oprah show they have people afraid of spiders having a tarantula crawl on their hands with a hypnotist or psychologist there expressing how to cope with fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both.  Terrorism is an effective strategy (it wouldn't have lasted so long if it weren't), and it hasn't really affected me any.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's moreorless "beyond my borders" still.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess there's some fear that'll never be coped with though, i listen to things like akhmed the dead terrorist comedy sketch'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not beyond your borders if you live in the US or UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't bother me much, offensive as it is, it's somebody's way of coping with the situation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both are really big countries, so, yeah it is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another fantastic attitude'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think we had anything major happen in the midwest since OK city.  Drugs and gun violence are bigger problems here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me,  and there was no one left to speak for me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'tempting to say 'good riddance' to the first two..'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could replace the first 3 and the point would remain largely relevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US is far too spastic a system to ever have something that comprehensive take hold without a serious event wiping out millions of citizens (like, say, the estimated number of illegals).  Losing the equivalent of a small village isn't nearly enough shit going down to scare the crap out of most people here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well by the sounds of it, nobody will care or will wake up until people are being marched off to be gased'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even then they'd probably think it was a hoax'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're coming for the Internet next, btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'it was delayed for a bit the internet thing '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is the coming for your guns bit'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left's foray into false flag event to blame guns appears to have largely backfired'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Internet, however, is an open goal'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people don't know enough about it to speak out'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure about that, the americans really love guns'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they want to think that, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the internet might be one of several factors they look through when evaluating whether or not somebody should be placed in the ghetto or gassed in the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hogwash they say, but just 50 or 60 years ago it was pretty ordinary procedure'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least in europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they will do something to the internet, but so far so many people complain about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things to look for with the Internet, is legislation to record and give access to the state EVERYTHING you do online'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but the internet is where everything is relevant now.  Even mainstream media doesn't matter anymore, so the left's just going to be shooting gigantic holes into their powerbase.  EVERYONE uses the internet, whether for good or bad.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, look out for UN rulings on the Internet to do with Internet ID and out of country internet traffic taxation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already have backdoors and kill switches in all the major routing infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure about that hanslanda. In some countrys maybe not in all of them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't care about other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should, you can learn a lot from them'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where was USA and the west when more half the world's populations' governments met to discuss Syria in Tehran a while back?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea Hanslanda is important to know about other countries. the time of we dont care has pass'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer is "not attending"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the jews never question the russian gulag, who operated until 1960, allegedly being the death-camp faction of the russian military that killed possibly 30 million from 1929-1939?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched a movie last night about this documentary shot in warsaw poland, where diary's and things were found afterwards describing the film crews contrasting the social classes, who were actors'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but alot of the police and things at the video were apparently jewish - and i think poland and russia were allies - so it's interesting to wonder how come no consideration of the gulag is ever given'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were there before the nazi's occupied poland, and in germany and poland after the nazi's were conquered'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'starving people to death like in the movie, that was done to over 9 million in ukraine holodomor'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and stalin ate like a pig, so if they think that's what the nazi's did, then how come they don't think that's what the allies did too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're possibly both extremely evil historical people, possibly not unique, but how come both don't get criticised, if the general suffering is what they're after?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'intent'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished that's the movie i watched last night'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sad, but that's not the only place that kind of suffering happened according to what i read in history'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Could legalising marijuana boost the US economy? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19336816 why would that be their main concern about legalization?  that's what drug dealers deal drugs for!  watching the various truckloads of marijuana being seized on border war's and stuff, burning it in a secret facility - there's the money, and then there's that 20 billion per year going into the pockets of drug cartel leaders, which they use to expand the drug trade to.. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '900 per pound near the border, then the people who handle bartering it from there, get as much as 4500 per pound in chicago and new york - it's quite a bit of money'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's a hurricane Prophet Isaac coming to florida around the time of the republican meeting on the news, and then there's a blessing ritual of some kind The top US cardinal is to give a blessing at the Republican National Convention, amid a healthcare row between the Catholic Church and the president. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a picture or video once of obama having his head touched by 5-8 zealous priests before too, so that's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they wouldn't charge you for blasphemy if you were a rioting pussy drawing pictures of our lord and saviour mitt romney or president obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pussies can riot? sweet!'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marketing his god powers for hollygod politics, except that's not what it was about The move was not partisan and the cardinal was open to invitations from both political parties, he was quoted as saying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Catholic Church is embroiled in a dispute with Mr Obama over his health law that requires employers to provide free access to birth control through their health insurance. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a questionable kind of requirement for employers though, are they requiring that women take the cock on the job too?  and abortions will be part of their real job at work?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it makes some more sense i guess, otherwise it's recreational medicine'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can have a civil jury dedicated to handing out birth medicines for tax-money'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A lively debate ensues before the officer moves them on. Not everyone has faith in the tunnel-hunters' theories. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19252862 "The military says this isn't a North Korean tunnel," he says.  The military deny that they are passive, saying that they devote specialist resources to finding infiltration tunnels.  Four tunnels have already been found here - most in the 1970s - and the army admits there may be many more.  But it has been 20 years since a new find and these days, the tunnels verified as genuine North Korean networks are seen more as tourist attractions than military threats.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe something to consider with those DoDAAM automated gun turrets exported to america and stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't be too bad if they was just smuggling food or something to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the military's not usually known to protect charletan acts like that though, otherwise they would have an unwar bordar'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i still think that's funny that they advertise on the news that the average income of large-business CEO's went up by 10 million dollars during the recession'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there was maybe 100 of them, and their average employee made 80,000 per year, that's over 150 each'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others probably got a pay hike like that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost as funny as aljazeera mentioning a generous christmas bonus for exemplary performance in a great fiscal year at BP, in the wake of crisis'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when the oil spill happened there, they still mention about it on sciencedaily once in awhile, nothing on main news though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'biggest oil company in the world's bigger than things like God and justice and governments and things like that, if it wasn't for them where would they get all their taxes from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's some things that should be communist to a nation, i'd say things like oil should be one of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seriously though, they know you are able to black out areas of the world remotely through GPS manipulation, even setting coordinates a little off for the navigator who no longer checks - but they seem to push that through more than making sure both the navigator and the GPS are accurate, navigators should double check the GPS results with the way they used to navigate right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they got these automated Gun turrets that use AI facial recognition among other things to discern clearance and targets being developed in america'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can find undesireable RFID chips instead'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there doesn't seem to be actual government monitoring of how all these links could go together, no prevention or anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that came from south korea though, and that story about the tunnels might be somebody's implied fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then what this can accumulate to in the unmanned airplanes and things like Iran claiming in an article about the drone they captured, using telecommunications to bring it down - being the norm in the next 40 or so years, in which time a russian scientist expects to make immortal humans using robotics and uploading the memories of investors'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hilary clinton claimed that it malfunctioned and wasn't remotely brought down though, to elaborate on that claim might be to reveal the blueprints to the enemy i guess, although they have the machine in their possession and russia's pretty good at examining things with china'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently the hawkings guy can use american's as test-subjects to perfect communications devices that he would use later on though, which is interesting, so it's not surprising'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine if they have a hard time communicating then they'd be willing participants too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got your RFID chip there and automated world of DoDAAM gun turrets and computer glitches in the undesireable genetic pool'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might leave manual controls enabled in the car's that drive themselves so they have a more dynamic excuse base'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'once they drive everybody's car and they have it installed in everybody's vehicle, they would probably like to punish people for attempting to pilot themselves around, making an example to the ignorant future of what happens when the past attempts to repeat itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this wasn't a honda assembly line 500,000 repetition glitch, this was a human causing a chain reaction - very sensitive that we remove their ability to do this again'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you can run on foot from the vicinity of the known radar blackspots, which would be top priority to bring to the light'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can pinpoint your location if they have your cell phone information - even in digital photo's they slide their location into the pictures'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they slid that chip deep inside your human meat, maybe using a biological battery like they develop in italy, chances are of it never being removed - maybe you can block the signal with a tinfoil hat or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't seem to be pushing too hard on microchips in flesh right now though, a few years ago they were trying'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if everybody had a chip like that in a radar world feeding information to automated DoDAAM security 14 mm gun turrets, and a myriad of other snares, chances aren't too good in ever getting away'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'd install the chip in a new location in every host'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the turret would have to do is like a compass not in the zone of silence'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government might like that idea, as long as they're in control of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would have limited application maybe like resident evil there'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but would they really limit themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'automated airport security and things like loading and stuff being replaced by unextortionable robots has it's benefits though, there's still extortionable people in control of it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the people with the most money in the world who everybody works for obviously are good intentioned people most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was it that took the pictures of a naked prince harry and a harlot?  was it the hotel itself?  that could be some negative publicity - if it was her or him or a cleaning crew (still hotel liable) that's something else though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It's not clear who took the pictures or if the prince knew they were being taken. -- every digital camera might also include it's serial number in it's photographs'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they could use some software to ping it and see where it is maybe, could be aphone too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet somebody approached him for a cash donation for the extortion photographs before releasing it to the public though, some higher calling keeps him from identifying the crooks - one possibility'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be one of his friends even, staining his public image in alliance with prince william saving a injured mountain climber, to further benefit the royal image of the future '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'will  a robot seeing it's own reflection as a 'thinking being' include 5 of a trillion cpu cycles per second raising a indistinguishable flag on it's own body when interpreting any setting, to determine if the setting is a reflection?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the robot will know chemosh. It will be in its program to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exactly, but programmers would probably stop at something like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh they will '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here it's called thinking though, i'm not certain how we know when we're looking at a reflection, but according to the dog whisperer episode, even dogs can learn when a image is a reflection'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'cmon programmers are a different kind of people or at least the ones i know'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh i liked that series.. wich season?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Programmers are people too.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not saying they are not  they just  different'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, they're not. Now, intelligent people are different from stupid people, but that's a different thing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they are, like the animatiors_modelers are a different kind of people'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of these AI trillions?  worth of science reminds me of dr.frankenstein'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do develop some pretty good stuff though once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the insistence that biological life forms can be replicated by human science is like dr.frankenstein though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if they are doing some tricks and claiming it's signs of intelligent life created by a human or something, looks that way at first glance but the simple answer is probably something like indistinguishable flags being raised to determine when a image is a reflection'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do we do subconscious tests to determine that that is our own reflection, or just know automatically?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have you ever tried to look at your reflection with candle light? '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, they have different jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doesn't make them different people, in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they pay attention to different details ranrr, some details some other people will not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Being passionate on the border of geeky about something, on the other hand, makes you different. Usually requires a certain amount of intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or will'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, and so does my gardening and fishing hobbies. And my childhood experiences, and so on.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not the heart of it though, like they mention most university teachers get paid well below the poverty line, and getting a degree doesn't get you any income security in the future - the amount of income spent on developing (government funding too) robots that mimic intelligent natural life and are held in higher esteem than the real things and their needs, it can all look evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is different, i did fishing as well. But you dont go fishing every single day and spend more than 8 hrs doing it'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can understand hobbies and things like that, but it seems most projects developing those things are endless sinks of money that eventually get integrated into society somehow'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not anymore.... did when I was a kid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh that is where you going chemosh.. They doing that already'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i remember i liked to go fishing with my dad. Was great'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can call programmers a different kind of people if you want. I don't think that's a very apt description, but go ahead. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they do see life different, you have to agree.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're different because they know more about the things most people use every day in school and work and recreation than the people who use them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'see ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No. I don't see any difference in a programmer from someone with another profession that requires analythical and technical skills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thats why i said animators modelers programers'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would say an animator has very little in common with a programmer. He's an artist, not a techie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i used to think that. But then im hanging out with some programers and animators and they are in the same insane way'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You just proved my point. They are geeks, that's why they are the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure if i call them geeks'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'some are some arent'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they are passionate about what they do, they are probably geeks. If they are not, they probably suck at their job.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'lol so, if anybody is passionate about what they do, they are geeks'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then im a geek.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you probably are'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'being a geek isn't just for computer techs'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'never been called geek tho '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'getting a drink....'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In any case, my experience with programmers is that they are just regular folk, at least when they get a bit older... they may be nerds when they are young tho, but that passes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well in my experience is different, they do pay more attention to stuff regular folk will not'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you say so. I guess we are awesome.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but then again, maybe regular folk dosent remember to use common sense sometimes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think that a lot of that difference comes down to the fact that programmers tend to be well above average intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe you are right. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i just think somepeople forget they have a brain sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'afk'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Texas Lubbock County judge has some balls'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't much in the way of news today'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news, Judge forces Raub release'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Amnesty Internation should be shut down'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why should AI be shut down?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's fibbing'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'claims to be independant, both in terms of politics and funding'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so perhaps not shut down, just change their literature so it wasn't misleading: Amnesty International is largely funded by, and is heavily influenced by the USA DoJ'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least the funding is not from terrorist cells (or the pinkos (scratch that -- that was last century))'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the terrorist cells are government funded anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from various governments'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'welfare suicide bombers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of the human rights violations are from uncivilised nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because that's where they're looking for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not counting china, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's done very well on it's target of increasing human rights abuses'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK isn't far behind with it's thought and speech crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think i've seen anything that tops "man arrested for shouting "shut up" at a barking dog"'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested for assaulting a police officer'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the UK laws are there to protect the upper class'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even the 2nd grader taken away in handcuffs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're there to protect the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there to protect the power structure. it only protects the upper class insofar as they're inside the structure'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude got his first arrest before his first adult tooth came in!'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the upperclass are in the UK government '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the upper class are in all governments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there original upper class in the UK was detroyed in the 1950s, the new upper class are the twisted fraudster bankers, corporate board members and politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the old landed gentry upper class were largely destroyed by 99% death taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like property taxes, death taxes shouldn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when someone gets nuked, there should be ten minutes of half exp for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anybody got thoughts on the Lance Armstrong case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not aware of it, let me look it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doping case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, you in here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC pull a video showing syrian rebels breaking into a guys' house, turfing it up, then beat him up and force him to be a suicide bomber'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pull it because it 'doesn't fit the government narrative of showing the free syrian army in a positive light''
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbxz6THXsf4&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hmm, guess that would be effective population control'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was going to say it was uncooperative of them to show it'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Force one of your undesirable people to go suicide bomb some other undesirables.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'THESE ARE THE GOOD AL-QAEDA'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, that's the US government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US gov't is officially not giving support to any side, afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I meant they were the "good" terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riggghhht, aside from the intelligence and the stinger missiles and hollowpoint ammo'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'are'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the threatening to get involved if chemical weapons are moved'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are the tvshows "Futurama", "South Park", "Family Guy", "American Dad", "Robot Chicken" banned in Britain under the "thought and hate" laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think we should let them blow each other up with chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you people actually believe all that crap?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you don't smile at the olympics, or criticise an athlete on twitter, you get arrested'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The biggest terror threats in the world is nuclear weapons, so the biggest terrorists are those that have such weapons and are threateing to use/have been using them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'World is overpopulated anyway, Islam is a cancer that's slowly taking over.  Let the whackos kill each other, it's win-win.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has been after Syria since the first Bush admin. Why do you think they went into Iraq in 1990?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nod, anarsitos, they're in the way of US vs Iran'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Starling, Syria has as many WMDs as Iraq had :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest threat by that measure, is Israel, best invade Israel'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '0 then'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel is part of the reason the US is going into Syria. In 1990  Netanyahu made a deal with the US for control of Syria. They were supposed to be the ones to invade Iraq, not the US. Then after overruning Iraq they would move into Syria. But  Netanyahu lost his premiership, so Bush decided instead to have the US do it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lends credence to the idea that a tiny minority of Jews run America'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about that. Since the goals are very secular.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda mind-screwing since also there a bunch of nazi-sympathiser families at the heart of the US power base'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the Bushes'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Money and power have no ideologies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Heritage Foundation wrote a white paper on the future of the Middle East. Much of the stuff in the paper was adopted as US foreign policy by the Reagan administration. That foreign policy is still in effect today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time for you guys to vote these monkies out'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as you can surmise from what I just said, it really doesn't matter who is in office. Policies transcend the man/woman in office. To change foreign policy requires a tremendous shift for the US. Had Bush II lost in 2000, there might have been a policy shift, but now Obama is stuck with it and if Romney wins he will be stuck with it too. '
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my mom'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not stuck with it because it's in place, they're stuck with it because they're bought and paid for by the same masters'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a president does have the power to change foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, whatever the reason, obviously they are under external pressure to keep the policies in place, but regardless, policy shifts have to overcome a lot of inertia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a deviation from the established policy might cause a lone nut to take a shot at the sitting president :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, you don't think so? Ask JFK what he thinks :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you take the view that you can't change policy incase a lone nutter takes a shot, then it debases the entire point of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it means your process is being held hostage'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does, doesn't it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not hostage, it's more like the process is a mirrage.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mirage*'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is worth reading: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'is it an article on killing babies?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just blame bush for the baby deaths too'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you blame Bush for the deaths in Iraq, then you can call him a baby killer, among other things :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a constitution eater'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'speaking of baby killing....can somebody help me with a CR in FT1?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'the room under the 6 princes'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1990/11/saddam-hussein-and-the-crisis-in-the-persian-gulf'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't blame bush alone for the iraqi deaths, congress is also responsible...'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress is partially responsible, but it is not for anything from libya onwards'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but they aren't the CinC'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be like me blaming the UK parliament'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not their fault, Tony Blair and George Bush conspired to lie to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is known, the report into the war is being delayed because of American Intelligence putting on their parts because it shows their collusion in lying'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because UK is US's lapdog, they will probably either bury the report, or string it out for so many years that people forget about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt they were lied to, at least, not in the sense you mean. People at that level know how to read between the lines. They are all experts on plausible deniability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, Bush is definitely one of the top people responsible for terrorising and killing 100s of thousands of people in iraq, but he's not alone. Plenty of blame to go around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Bush probably isn't the person in charge of it, his paymasters are'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just one tentacle of a pretty evil octopus'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i dunno if i'd take advice from somebody named "Tigernuts"'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just sayin'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'funny that you use that expression, Tigernuts :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, i'm not offering any'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably, he doesn't have the brains to do something like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the sitting president doesn't have to have brains, though it does help. Reagan and Bush II have proved that beyond doubt. It also shows that the presidency is not necessary to run the country.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Presidency makes a good puppet, Obama is proof of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Congress gets in your way? just do it anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all presidents are puppets, the question is who is the current puppet master. Or is it always the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression it's been the same for a couple of decades or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'all presidents poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'me and Anaristos agree?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'well its hard to deny'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i mean, even i poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but the real debate here is...if i poop in a forest and nobody is around to see smell or hear...did i really poop?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Brown & Root (now Kellogg - Brown & Root) a division of Halliburton, as you know, helped put LBJ in office. They got him to the senate then to the presidency, though the second statement will probably be debated. Then hey show up in 2001 as part of the US infrastructure in Iraq. Most players in the game are retreads.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'why are you trying to avoid my poop discussion Anar?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'you cant poop without being there... well, wait.. you could be dead'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Uilleann.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've had a bit too much Fluoride'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is interesting to watch who is who at each point in US political history and watch the same people come up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler poops in Undertaken Anaristos's shoes, and runs off, cackling in delight!
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, you hinting that Brown and Root killed JFK ? to put LBJ in office '
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: '<-- never learned to emote in this game, but pinches off a brown root in the other shoe'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'JFK died of something poop related...conspiracy to cover up the embarrassment'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'second pooper theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said they helped him get the presidency. The methods they used to get him into the Senate were way less than legal and involved personal injuries to some. There is speculation that B&R killed LBJ's sister when he threatened to go public with some of the stuff that was going on in the Texas political arena.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler giggles at Uilleann's actions.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she threatened*'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ima threaten to poop in your shoes again if you dont drop the lame convo and start talkinb bout poop OR baby killing'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'B&R was LBJ's strong arm tactical team. Though, they were a law firm.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Rose law firm sort of reminds you of B&R :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that notwithstanding, Halliburton was Chaney's puppy. The fact that they acquired K-B&R is telling.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, 21 years of prison for breivik, what do you think about that? Something tells me that if it had been in the US, it would have been a bit higher....'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gitmo and 'oops he died during questioning', *sprinkle crack *lay recently fired handgun into his hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'only 21 years? for 70 people'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'if that's true riddim, why did the earth cool down during the 50's and 60's when a lot more carbon was released than today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The earth has been warmer in the past than it is today, even before humans existed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Clearly time travelers did it!'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'calculations (or reconstructions) also show that in entire history, CO2 lags about 600 years BEHIND the temperature increase. I wonder how that greenhouse consensus explains that... For what we know, current CO2 levels could be result of warm period sometimes about 1400AD and have nothing to do with temp'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'next thing you know, there will be an oxygen tax for breathing air...'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the earth cooled down because of the aerosols and three-letter stuff.  It was the stuff that that Abernathy lady crusaded against (her efforts leading to the Clean Air Act).'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'a couple weeks ago there was an warning/advisory about all the ozone being released for the burning states... i was like "finally the states did something right" :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'err from'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta plug the hole in the atmosphere somehow.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine was it was like when dinosaurs walked the lands.  I bet there were never wildfireS then, just one that never went out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Want to learn how 'rational' ordinary people around you are? Mention Brevik's sentence length...'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is unlikely that he will ever leave prison, Vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is bascially 21 to life.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wellm *I* know that, but the people you speak to hear '21 years' and start screaming for torture, death penalty, etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'm = ,'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's understandable in a way, but irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is also incredible how many think he is some sort of Islamic neonazi :-P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's just a way to understand his atrocity. But really, what he did is becoming commonplace.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...commonplace? the fuck do you live?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on planet Earth. Haven't you been paying attention?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every 2 or 3 month someone kills 10 or 20.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any action here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'topic mate ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a good bit of propoganda is being released soon in the form of a 'novel', 'No Easy Day''
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do tell ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you start?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It's a lie'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from the begining ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what does it tout ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's supposedly a book about the osama bin laden raid by a seal team 6 member'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If you write a book with -any- form of military or intelligence background in it, it gets vetted within an inch of it's life. They're claiming that this book hasn't been vetted'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondly, bin laden has been dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'how can you be sure'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'that he has been dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow so it was a hoax all along ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, none of us know when he died.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was given 6 months to live in 2001 by a cia doctor, there were no new sightings after... 2004(?)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or even that he's dead :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the whole thing with the seal team was just BS ?!?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not necessarily, but the possibility exists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt there was a raid, but it wasn't bin laden they shot'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kinda expect that now - really have to get the facts from the ground if you wanna informed oppinion imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently they disposed of all the faces'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you really want to know what happens you have to be at the site of the event.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or have acces to live cameras'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'live cameras would not be proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that seems to be what the government does and then they wonder why people concoct "conspiracy" theories. All they had to do is the same thing that was done when Guevara was killed, take a lot of pictures.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or a hardy critical reasoning skill !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'didnt say it was proof, just a way to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being there would not make it 100% certain.  The guy pulling the trigger could not be 100% certain.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is no such thing as 100% knowledge.  Suffice to say the odds support the official story in this case'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Primary reason for me being the ineptitude of the US government'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no facts to support anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a given - reality is subjective '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the facts support him being dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They can't pass a budget, how in the world could they successfully pull off a conspiracy of that magnitude?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh facts can be fabricated'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you and I can only accept or reject what we have been told, no proof has been offered to you or me in support of the claims. The obvious proof was never given and one has to wonder why.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're confusing the government with intelligence services, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ever since the peer to peer music sharing started the industry is just turning out all these "reality " shows so emerging artist MUST sign with a company imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ask wikileaks what I think of the skill of the intelligence services'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mischan'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the intelligence service is the government :) To think otherwise is to make a categorical mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Julian Assange is a dead set legend !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ineptitude of the government is exactly why conspiracy theories exist - they're too inept to cover things up properly, they MISS things'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the army is the government, the state department is the government, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Julian Assange is a pompous self serving aggrandist who bit off more than he could chew'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He doesn't deserve rendition, but neither is the the Champion of the Free World he makes himself out to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he did try and he did some good - he is better than me imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Tigernuts, ineptitude doesn't cut it. When Hussain was excuted, there was ample evidence that the event took place. It may have been fabricated but you have to lean toward believability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing to show that the event in Pakistan yielded Bin Laden's death.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is not to say that it didn't happen, just that there is no proof that it happened.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, this whole book thing stinks. You listen to Steve Pieczenik or Tom Clancy, you'll know how many hoops they have to go through to get stuff published. there's no such thing as publishing a seals book with truth in it as fact'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can't prove non-existance ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you can't prove a negative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in rational philosophy but the existance of it's opposite ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you claim make the claim that x exists but give no proof then to challenge your opponents to show that your are wrong is invalid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'open to criticism there - only getting to reading that stuff now my head is a lil clearer'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'integers would be an example ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what about integers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'positive and negative and 0 ie nothing '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who said that 0 was nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nothing is proved by both positive and negative - lol ok that didn't go where i wanted to go but you get the idea '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '0 is the sum of -1 and + 1 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes my point exactly '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'further, e^(pi*i) + 1= 0'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that is a beauty'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'beauty is accuracy imo and yes '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'e^(pi*i)-1=0 actually'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where i = -1^(1/2)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, sorry -1 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm flexes his muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'melts '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ah, but what is x where x*x = -1 ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that proves that 0 is not nothing :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'without 0, pi wouldn't exist :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pu is a ratio. all this an nothing more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pi*'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '22/7 :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'e^(pi*i) = -1, so e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0 is correct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact is that 0 is an integral part of mathematics, it is as important as 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trust the arabs to think of it :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, it is obvious after the fact, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck I love it here :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oops soz ! curse '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thank you, ElFeneri :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'grr need to use euler's rules....'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eulers rules ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'euler proved that equation was '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'as long as you don't "remember" the rules and reason yourself to the result instead you'll never "forget" them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '0. united all five great numbers of math'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, that formula shows  that 0 is a "real" as 1 or pi or i.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could debate that they are all artifacts, but then, you could say that about all of mathematics :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a vacuum is a something too then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or an absence of something '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, actually a vacuum is a theoretical construct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there isn't a naturally occurring vacuum.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is an absence of something a nothing ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as a vacuum, period'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except for the vacuum in your mom's head'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos beams a smile at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh classic Starlism .. :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so dumb that her empty head helped to prove vacuum fluctuations exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that question is not proper, Tzadkiel. Not allowed by DeMorgan's excluded middle term law. The absence of something is not-something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'things are either 0 or not-zero, 1 or not-1'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but 0 is not the opposite of 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '-1 is the opposite of 1 ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i seem to recall ven diagrams can prove Anaristos point'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so I need to read DeMorgan then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Now that we debate such things that might be true in mathematics most of the time, but not always. Sometimes you run into problems where you assume something to be non-zero it will actually be zero and vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not fussed with the intricacies of number theory, myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just like learning :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more interested in what's going to happen, and how that will affect my life and aspirations'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no, Tzadkiel. We are talking about Boolean calculus. There are only 2 numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tzadkiel, how do you learn anything when you're drunk all the time?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't spose any of you have a DC motor kicking around, around 300rpm at 90v 300W or somesuch'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have a DC motor running my cavitator out on the shale shakers, but alas I would get in trouble if I used it for anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'v only just started drinking - been sober all day apart from the mandatory hangover '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, ElFeneri. I am just point out that just because something is not 0 doesn't means that it is 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to track one down for my home made wind generator project'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'True Anaristos. If the world was that simple it would be unfascinating to say the least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Aren't there places to buy those things...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dayton motor makes a 90 volt DC motor, IIRC'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably a few hundred bucks though'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, wow, no juicy opinions about anything :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The 12v motor running my cavitator costs 200 bucks'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh it's all juicy :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry. That's stupid, 56 volts is better!!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not sure their 90v motor is permanent magnet, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'go brrushless :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not sure if you could turn it into a self-exciting generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't care what it is, but it'd need to generate 12-18v at wind speed'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can turn an ordinary 120 VAC induction motor into a self-exciting induction generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno about legislation where you live, but 90v may be higher than is allowed for you to hook up without being an electrician...'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The only drawback is that it will not run inductive loads, i.e. motors, very well'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to produce dc'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'true bout legislation there '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Rectify the AC output to DC'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, use an adapter.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly billy, you don't start adding adaptors'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time you adapt, you have lsos'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Building a rectifier circuit is trivial'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loss'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want 18v, you get a 18v generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'smiles '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll use whatever i can scavenge'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or maybe 24v.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A bridge rectifier circuit is fairly efficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have another one on me, Tzadkiel :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A generator from a scrap car might work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel :D
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'car generators require turning at way too high an rpm'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gear it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All you need is a bridge rectifier, or four diodes capable of handling the intended output power, and then a filter capacitor and choke coil to smooth the rectified DC output'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forums suggest using old tape-machine motors from the 70s'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'very instructive, Starling :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur mind is hot Star :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'David Attenbourgh - another living legend imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of the Brandon Raub case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not across it mate '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cliffnotes ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'JC I'm across :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ex-marine posts on a private facebook group some stuff about 9/11 being an inside job. his brother on the same group posts some song lyrics'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state cops with some plain clothes feds turn up and take him to a mental hospital. i.e he was 'disappeared''
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, after a bunch of vets turn up to protest, and some online work, the judge demands his immediate release because the commitment papers contained "no facts"'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm sure it was because he was getting to close to the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is released, after the state psychiatrist said "we are going to brainwash you and force you to take medication"'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'weird. vets are generally very sane'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol been therer ... not a nice experience - there is a ton of stuff that says someone knew - the call to put options are usually 1:1 they were 25:1 for industries affected - someone made ALOT of $ from 11/9'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a similar thing happened to a christian talk show host, after he said on air that america was in fear of collapse, that he was planning to buy some weapons in case of civil unrest, feds turned up and committed him too'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'during his evaluation, the fact that he was a christian was listed as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'technically true imo xtians are delusional but the bar is so low with the common populace imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I haven't tried PCP or mescaline - everything else I've tried '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are a xian that believes, literally, in the bible, then you could argue that'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mischann'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No wonder your brain is fried'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most, however, do not'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and, tbh, if they want to believe that, that's not justification to commit them'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a text that large is open to interpretation imo and the council of Nicea left alot out - '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Star - less hate more love ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I hate everyone, fuck off.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you're not pretending'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love everyone for the first half a bottle ... none or the rest and humanity n I have problems :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hate urself and projecting then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or U perfect ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one therapist said depression is anger turned inward ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a new title for me ? anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the curse rules for herer ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh moans loudly as he whips out his 8=L=E=G=O=D=I=C=K=D!
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the curse test'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty Vaki :) hug !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my guess is it's a worm drive .. :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R you on and wanna set us straight for the curse rules in deb ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like R - very cool :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone find manga girls rather erotic ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure if it's sick or not .. weird '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki can I curse you out on here in an effort to test this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Imm wanna clear this up b4 U bann me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10-4 comeback Vaki ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok here goes - '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki you fucking cunt answer me !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'waiting .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'test'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok apparently deb is like curse '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol awesome ! I found my new fav chann !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm Hexx n then manga - BOB is gonna get a workout - bbl '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll leave this running though - lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can you be my uncle Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20,000 people were "disappeared" for political speech in Virginia -alone- last year'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty scary statistics'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean the aliens took them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, feds took them and stuck them in mental institutions without any form of due process'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'fair trials were removed after 911 in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's the judge dredd system now'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a case of unfair trials, this is no trials whatsoever, civil commitment legislation is being used to disappear disidents. This has been done before'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in East Germany, USSR, and similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, same as with "terrorist".'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why everyone who doesn't agree with them is a terrorist, now'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where is Tigernuts getting this info -- The Onion perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview with John Whitehead'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an attorney specialising in such cases'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I doubt that it's a new thing, it has probably been going on since wwii, only they were called communists then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, just because it's not new, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's what the US citizens want, apparently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Otherwise they would do something about it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think that if people knew what was going on, they'd stand for it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'most Americans don't care, even if they did know what was going on.  It doesn't immediately affect them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not exactly a secret.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it affects them, they'll care'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'don't take away their Chik-Fil-A otherwise, who cares?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, it's that attitude that allows people like Hitler to come to power'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's the same as endorsing it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the rest of us suffer because people are asleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hitler came to power because he promised to remove democracy and institute fascism. He delivered as promised.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet he didn't come to power promising to exterminate 10 million ethnic minorities and cause world-wide war'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't come to power promising to collapse the German economy and dispossess anyone not in his power hierarchy'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama promised to end illegal wars and close gitmo'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Ranrr seams to be attempting to revise history'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Ranrr jewish that he spreads lies about Adolf'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, Hitler didn't tell the whole story, but his actions were supported by most germans and a lot of the rest of europe, at least in the beginning....'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like any tyrant, he'll offer something people want, then twist it'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'godwin!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit difficult to have a conversation about tyrants and police states without invoking Godwin'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'who's on here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'looks like some studies say people eat less food when given opiate blocking drugs first'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'YO'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen Colbert taught the Republicans that they may be even more blatantly corrupt than they were before'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maybe people got so worn down by falsehoods and crazy ideas on the internet that they can't be bother to worry about it when politicians of either party try to mislead people.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Stephen Colbert parody of a Republicans became a teaching aid to Republicans as to how far the envelope of blatant callous corruption may be pushed, and some Republicans pushed the envelope of corruption even further'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'who do you think pays colbert's salary?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's ALWAYS been like that, and historically it can get far, FAR worse.  For instance, did you know that in the 19th century a fight broke out in a senate debate and senators were sent to the hospital as a result?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'senators have even been known to commit murder.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taste The Alestorm: '-:'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'invalid morse code'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't that be morbid, if cbc headline yesterday was 'canadian conservative government silently allows information extracted through torture to be used in police and border investigations', along with 7 or so people in new york city being shot by the non-gulag police as they apprehended the armed suspect which was today 'caught on camera' to guage how many people will want to see the video online, i remember this one video of a cop in california being caught on a cell phone executing an unarmed and compliant passenger in the back of the head'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be normalizing police brutality'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the california cop got no jail time and suspended from the police '
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they think of it as a success though, i guess he might have shot somebody else but them cops might be bad aim to shoot 7x as many people as their suspect'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all them tax payer bullets fired recreationally at the firing range for what?  they still suck at aiming'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's harper's government claiming if you want to work on the environment division of the government, you can't criticize the government and it's actions, otherwise you're a liability - even on your free time, then in this ghana or somewhere anybody who questions his authority gets executed in a new death-row cleansing ritual, amid 'widespread corruption and human rights violations in their media', where the non-harper government in 2000 bails camaroon out of debt which has the same kind of system going on'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Conservative government has quietly given Canada's national police force and the federal border agency the authority to use and share information that was likely extracted through torture. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/24/rcmp-border-agency-information-torture.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 15 years ago or so, 600,000 people murdered in 100 days in non-ww2 gulag nazi holocaust rwanda'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're 1, and multiply yourself times 600,000 and that's how many witnesses of justice there are'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it's nothing serious though, like this kgb interview about the process of cold war america being brainwashed into subservience'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'How To Brainwash A Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6URXzy-UIy4'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, the influence of marxist-leninist influence in america is absolutely fantastic, with defense, economics and foreign policy he says in the video'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during the destabilisation process, normalization may last indefinitely'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a yahoo chatter called zeta who applauds marxism in debates alot, strange name is what i thought - since that's a drug cartel in mexico'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'historically, socialism has been quite friendly to the drug trade.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's interesting about that is implied in this: The origins of terror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_5EYicHh8'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From Mr. Adnan Oktar's live interview on Ad?yaman Asu TV and Kral Karadeniz TV, November 30th, 2009'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they were criticizing ukraine about their detainment of the political opponent woman, they also forgot to mention the amnesty international information that 600,000 civilians are tortured by the police per year there'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bruises would obviously appear to be BSDM rape torture and things like that, 'black sea fleet' gulag-esque'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and funnily enough, Iran is the only country with a news agency that covered that amnesty international report in a story'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'general torture death-camp crimes against humanity doesn't seem to be their concern, politically driven control of the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they can convince others that is their concern, can't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 600,000 tortured per year is a funny figure, since that's how many they claimed were murdered in rwanda in the 90's in 100 days'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in the 1930's ukraine was being genocided'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems they plan on doing those things again'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, too many ideas in natural opposition to each other are happening in Iran for them to be able to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'priorities of society, 'protest the political soccer game!'  they detained a multimillionairre political opponent alleged to have misappropriated government surplus to her own bank account, ok that's ok - but not because if you type in ukraine porn into google you see pages of kiddie porn trials and on amnesty international they allege that 600,000 figure - which you'd have to look on amnesty international to discover'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just think they should have possibly mentioned those things along with the woman in prison, as their government is criticized for what they report tot he world it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cold-war stalinism German Stasi secret police allegedly retired into being politicians and various other control jobs after being disbanded in 1991, sort of like the president of russia which no longer has a KGB, is an ex-KGB agent according to what I read'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in stalin's days, 30 million death-camp , warsaw ghetto homicides is nothing special'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've been having that same conversation with yourself for the past 6 months, with no new developments...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funnily enough, the honnecker widow who moved to chile was the chief education minister for political conformity in communist east germany, and moved to chile, who is now cracking down on students asking for better education recently on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we already know about stalin, the stasi, the president of russia, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'random huh, i guess if that suits you'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and as pretty recent presidents have been head of the CIA, dunno why a russian president being part of the KGB would surprise you'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, italian's usually get those jobs don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not since machiavelli, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you sure?  it says an italian-american became the head of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the 23rd and current United States Secretary of Defense, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama since 2011. Prior to taking office, he served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's also the person who's telling america how to handle it's agriculture from the united nations in brazil was born in america, italian and moved to brazil'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'read about that on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's questionable how one ethnicity which is possibly a minority producer of grain and agricultural products became the world-wide authority on how to handle the grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like on 'cities of the underworld' history tv episode, they mention that every large casino in las vegas has monthly and bi-annual meetings with homeland security and israeli special forces'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel in las vegas nevada?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'strange investment, i guess it's like a foreign aid package'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'China also owns a LOT of land in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think the casinos are so effective at dealing with cheaters?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about 2-4 years ago i read an article on aljazeera too, which i remember what i remember about it, that if america didn't do israel's bidding, israel would 'tear america down from the inside out''
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not making that up, i read that'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how exactly?  why do they use threats when addressing their american counterparts, and the people who read the news?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't use threats, you're making THAT part up...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, then a statement they made or aljazeera fabricated'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, but "something I don't even remember, from some spot that I can't find, I'm sure once said xxx" is pretty much the definition of "making it up"'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not making it up though, that's the difference'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you are...you don't think you are, but you are'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the difference between a lie and an untruth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you believe it, so you're not lying...but that doesn't make it the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you had the means to skimmer through aljazeera archives for the last 4 years or so, the article was possibly regarding palestine but the threat was america being torn down or dismantled from the inside if they didn't agree with israel'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you state things as if they are, when you haven't bothered to do even the slightest bit of due dilligence'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeay yeah, you're an expert logger, you should have that article available'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you don't bother to read WHO is stating WHAT'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i don't particularly care about names'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but when you read someone saying what will happen, you HEAR it as if it's WE THREATEN TO DO THIS'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't particularly care about truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what the event is is more interesting to me, i remember those better'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't remember the event, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, you're denying the truth without verifying it's untrue'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know it's true, cause i read it'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you pick up on things that have little to do with the event, and you identify with them as BEING the event'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either aljazeera made it up, or else that's the level of independence america has'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I read that I hold the guinness world record for the longest cock'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no chemosh, again, that's the difference between lie and untruth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you read into something that which did not exist, and which was not being stated'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't make it up. You didn't read it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me it is the event'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'therein lies the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's why you can't tell truth from fiction'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, what the undertone of compliance is decision-made memorandum of understanding on is less relevant than the particulars of this current decision?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd rather focus on the framework for all their future decisions than one of their demonic invoices'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh crap, now we're back to the random word generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he never stopped it, Abe.  To quote Agent Salt, "You know better."'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what about agent pepa?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's not an agent.  He was a sargeant, but I believe he's retired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, USA came 50th in life expectancy charts'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'h 5'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, a serving airforce women got pulled aside for carrying a pocket-version of the constitution with her. She said that when you sign up for military service you swear an oath on it, an it's what the country is founded on. The office rebuked her with "It's disrespectful to the uniform"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost wtfbbq?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy" - Dr Henry Kissenger'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... what? How?! The Arizona Republican fucktards have just passed a bill that defines that pregnancy legally starts 2 weeks BEFORE fucking conception.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's liberals for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'they use the oracles in minority report to see the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well minority report oracles are legally submissable evidence now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pre-crime is a fact of life now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans are not liberals'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'doubt they need more evidence than that, I mean if it's not a rape if you don't get pregnant the minority report oracles would do aswell'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abortion is now only legal after a maximum of 18 weeks because it's only legal after 20 weeks of gestation, and Arizona law considers ovulation as part of that period.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They also think that women always ovulate two weeks prior to conception for some reason.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't be a very right-wing state if they have legalised abortions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is currently no state in the U.S. where abortion is illegal, AFAIK.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Abortion in the United States has been legal in every state since the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade."'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts is worse than Chemosh (this morning)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'They should allow you to make abortion until the kid turns 18.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derpindave: 'well put Elfeneri.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not legal, there is a permanent injunction in place :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't abort babies, abort the parents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the babies fault that their parents are retards'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans are attempting to restrict access to abortions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is not illegal, but the many states haven't removed the statutes they just don't enforce them due to the decision.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds have restricted access to arizona cops to get rid of illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans may be "religiously" violating the "separation of church and state" laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republican party at large include the banning of abortions on their party platform. Even their national platform wishes to outlaw abortion except for in certain circumstances.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a wedge issue, completely pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet the Republicans keep trying to use it as a wedge issue. And it keeps working.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides use it as a wedge issue. if they didn't, it wouldn't be one'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah. Keep trying to appear less right-wing than you really are by blaming the Demcorats for the Republicans' antics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, what, the Democrats should just ignore the Republicans when they try to pass bullshit laws because if they don't, they're engaging in making them wedge issues?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's the logic here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the logic here is the bit missing between your ears'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is this the same logic as when you claimed that the Democrats were the ones making a bigger issue out of gay rights than the Republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't understand the concept of wedge issue, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't understand the concept of blame.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And cuplability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, let's blame someone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republucans are using their anti-abortion platform to divert attention from their extreme greed and financial corruption agenda'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither side wants to touch extreme greed or financial corruption'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be suicide for either of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they instead go for issues that are emotive but essentially pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a wedge issue is'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, TigerNUTS, how many years of complete tax returns do you think presidential candidates release?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then crazy liberal freaks like Yuna start yapping like someone had set fire to their tail because someone said "gay" or "abortion"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested in tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again how you're an independent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Yuna is a heterophobe ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a foreign national'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say you were a Republican. I said you're a right-winger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're still stuck in your left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'left-right -- which'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'all americans are on the right wing compared to swedes so there ya go end of discussion :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Blame the two-party system. It leads to weird things like if you're against abortion, you have to be in favour of high military spending, or, if you support gay marriage, you have to vote for big(ger) gov't :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's devisive'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parties devalue democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd rather blame the Republican Party for going off the deep end with their hatred. If they'd just kept away from their anti-everything positions, people would still be able to vote for them without also voting for hate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Parties are fine, really. Two is better than one. Three is better than two etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'have too many parties though and the party who wins and gets to rule the country only have like 10% of the populations support'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have the monopoly on hate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is true. As with most diversification, it's getting to the first handful of represented parties that is essential.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As a party and within their actual official platform? Yes they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again about the Democratic Party's platform's official "Hate" positions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they hate gun owners, patriots, army vets'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is something to be said for the dynamics of coalitions, two-party systems tend to collusion. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried it in the UK, it doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Everyone knows constitutionalists, gun owners, patriots and army vets are dangerous terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tigernuts. That's totally in their OFFICIAL PARTY PLATFORM.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your blatantly stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you intimating that legislation that they try to pass isn't in their platform?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you don't have to claim it outright, Yuna. All you have to do is misinterpret US2AMEND in a convinient fashion :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you know what an official party platform is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i assume it's analagous to a manifesto'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop making assumptions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The thing is, democracy doesn't really work for anything but legtimacy, the advantage is largely that it fails less than more dictatorial setups, because people have limited power etc. Building on that, you really don't want to design a system where one group (party) is going to have a majority.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e a list of meaningless crap that you want people to believe you stand for, then don't actually adhere to in office'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'US2AMEND wasn't intended to have people at home with arsenals, it was intended to mean that if the government used weapons against the people, the people had the right to fight back. It wasn't intended to give someone the right to own a weapon so that he could  walk into a restaurant and blow you away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'which side of the US2amend is Anaristos supporting,  a strong citizens America or a cowardly defenceless america'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, not giving everyone the right to bear arms without first passing any kinds of tests is totally all about creating a cowardly, defenseless America.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I defend the right of a citizen to fight against a government that wants to oppress the people. The point of US2AMEND.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue for the same reason people shouldn't be allowed to breed without passing a test'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I support that! It's not likely to happen, though..'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also exams for voters'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd to buy arms without learning to use and take care of them, you're quite right'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I support the right to bear arms if you first pass a lot of checks and are educated on the usage of guns.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It shouldn't be an automatic right given at birth (once you've reached a certain age, of course)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you're treading on dangerous grounds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but I didn't say anything yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about birthrights is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'earn it imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's basically what the current gun law in the U.S. is. And it's actually not my words, but the words of the gun lobby.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They consider and espouse about how it IS a birthright.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a birthright in the sense that YOU don't have a right to deny it to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how can anything that carry caveats be  abirthright ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most USamericans are already trained to be responsible with guns, as those that were trigger-happy were already weeded out and did not breed (as much) -- not sure about the riff-raff immigrants that are not yet trained and weeded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and then the difference is what tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a situation where x != !(x)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is a constitutional right - with laws attached , not a birth right ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of the mass-murder gun crimes in Canada were by half-breed immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oo spent  a bit of time on boolean algebra yesterday too :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'crazy ppl kill ppl - methods vary ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I personally believe that since the people don't use the weapons to defend themselves against a potentially criminal government, but rather to war against each other, they have given up the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unless it's justafiable homocide - ie self defence/war ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see people warring against each other with legally owned guns in USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'currently, the South Americans are weeding themselves out -- lots of killing down there in the South Americas'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb got a lil more jaded there Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos is residing in which country '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love your vailed racism, Xaliz.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"valid racism" - thanks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at least mine is overt - I love white - don't hate anyone based on race '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I love what i heard Larry Pinkerton say the other week'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You call that veiled?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do tell Tiggy :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy link searching ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would we care? Larry Pinkerton seems to be some kind of jazz/country musician.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't have the interview to hand, but to paraphrase, he was talking about the way that Martin Luther King would be spinning in his grave if he were to see how race was being abused these days, if he were to see the hordes of obese middle aged black women clapping and shrieking "i'm gonna vote obama cos he black!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is Tiggy speaking - is usually insightful until he disagrees with me :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are approximately 15K murders a year in the US. But you think that the hundreds dying in South American is a weeding out process. So what do you call what is happening in the states?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, why should we care?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm unpack that for the unenlightened ? ie me '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care? it's about how racism, sexism, ageism have all been subverted'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 15k murders per anum are part of the ongoing weeding process (when the murderers are weeded out and eliminated)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'your saying pro racism is as bad as anti racisim ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still love it how Tigernuts claims to be an independent when he never ever criticizes the Republicans, agree with (tacitly or not) with the vast majority of their positions and constantly blames the Democratic party and their supporter for bullshit, a lot of it lies and some of it things the Republican party does more and worse.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are not supposed to vote for Obama because he is black. You re not supposed to not vote for Obama because he is black.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, TigerNUTS, you're OBVIOUSLY an indepdendent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't criticise republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which channel do you read?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'theres the wind up '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then what is my excuse if not his skin colour?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did you last do it? And what was your criticism, hmmm?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'policy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh in capatalism buisness controls democracy not the other way round imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will remind you that JFK had to prove that it was ok for a Catholic to be president. So obviously the US electorate is more concerned with race and creed than they are with the ability of the candidates to actually do their jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties are bought and paid for by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This should be rich, coming from the man who once declared "The Democratic Party is making/is notorious for making gay rights a wedge issue" and then debating for a half an hour or so how the Democratic party is more to blame than the Republicans for making gay rights a wedge issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much more of a criticism do you want?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's just your pathetic attempt at not looking right-wing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republican platform is: going to sabotage the Democrats (and the USA) because Obama is a black n*****'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it? if you want a specific grievance? i don't agree with their foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because you'll SOMETIMES level equal criticism at both parties for some issue, only to then immediately launch into a missive about how the Democrats are obviously worse.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can you tell me why gay rights should be an issue?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While lying out of the other side of your mouth. The Democrats worse than the Republicans at turning gay rights into a wedge issue? In what alternate universe?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have i lied about, oh libellous one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it gets the xtian right going ... thats all the gay rights issue  is '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I tell you, by bringing the subject up both parties are guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I just said, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans were not as blatantly racist against the other white Democrat presidents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'larry pinkney, not larry pinkerton btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So, Xyliz, you are saying that Republicans, as group, don't tend to be bigots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'slander or libell in text or is this chat :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't follow you, what have i said that's factually incorrect?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't slander someone in a chat room :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL I can try :!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you can't see that, then there's no help for you, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, you seem to read what others say, then attribute the opposite of what they said to them -- you seem to be a republican then'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'VOIP ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't, by definition. It is printed matter so it is libel.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, yuna, that's about on a level as throwing your toys down and shouting "not fair!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would find it insulting to be classified as a Republican... or as Democrat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me all about how the Democratic Party is making a bigger wedge issue out of gay rights and have been historically known to do so, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'white citizen of the world - so there :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find it insulting, anaristos, i just find it amusing, shows a lack of understanding'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Republicans are racists, bigots, abominations, greedy, corrupt, blatant liars, religiously retarded, ..  (the list goes on)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, so what's your point, Xyliz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not planning to balance that with a list of what their opponents are, xyliz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol sounds like a politician  job description Xy  :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok Tiggy covered that :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Anaristos a disciple of Mitt Romney the weather-vane'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could almost just replace "Republicans" with "Democrats" and it wouldn't be far from accurate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'might have to replace religiously with scientifically'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mitt Romney is an asshole, but of course, you might disagree with me. If he gets elected, you can quote me :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep, Republicans are scientifically-retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've noticed how TigerNuts isn't actually providing us with argument as to how the Democrats are and have been making gay rights a bigger wedge issue than the Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they were victims of intelligent design, Xyliz. So they can be forgiven :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo special interest groups and the power of the buiseness community has ruined   democracy - perhaps improved it - I hate that idiots vote - perhaps capatalism is a democracy ? it is $1 a vote ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your choice, if limited to those two parties, is between corporate fascism and authoritarian communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you seem to be doing a good job of that, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, TigerNUTS, the Democratic party is all about Communism. Thank you for exposing your willful ignorance to the world.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both are so centralist through economic rationalism neither is left or right anymore ? is like that in Oz imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, when asked to provide evidence to back up your arguments, you refuse to. Duly noted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmmm Yuna searching logs atm .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'aha, Yuna is attempting to spread communism by attributing the Democrat platform as heading to communism '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't think so '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly no left or right in UK politics anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left has been socialist for years - Mccarthyism saw to that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do I have to search the logs? I've asked him time and time again to defend his position, a position he refuses to provide arguments for.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what position are you demanding I defend?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sounds like a guantley - Popcorn all round !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't act like a 5 yearold.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You keep claiming that the Democratic party is making a bigger wedge issue out of gay rights than the Republican party. Now provide any kind of evidence. I've asked you 4 times today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you claim that. I claimed only that it is a wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, please tell us all about how the Democratic party is Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok there it is '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you DIDN'T, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Outlaw parties, vote for name.  Names thus elected vote on who the President is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a wedge issue by definition requires two sides to bandy it about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your opening argument was (not verbatim) "The Democratic party is turning gay rights into a wedge issue" some weeks ago. I countered with "What are you talking about? It's the Republicans who are doing it!", to which you responded with something analogous to "Nu-uh. The Democrats are doing it more!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'idiots still vote - advertising still works ... democracy is flawed imo in that way '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, tell me all about how the Democratic party is Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was probably in reference to a specific issue, i believe that was to do with a number of democratic city officials in Chicago and Boston threatening to ban Chick Fill A from operating in their cities because it's owner expressed anti-gay marriage views'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought an "I know you didn't " would have been more appropriate but ok '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tigernuts. You believe wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Democrat party is seeking votes among the gays (and other sexperverts) by supporting the gay platform -- and that is strong tactic (more than a wedge) against the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was talking about gay rights. You countered with bulslhit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'xyliz has the right of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sexperverts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting up a black president had nothing to do with attracting the black and liberal vote, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Putting up a white candidate is for the white vote, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's not as though 85% of blacks voted for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey homosexuality is NOT a perersion - wanna a list of mammals that practice homosexuality '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your refusal to defend your position that the Democratic party is communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or about how you're feigning ignorance of your own past words.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, vakieh, i'd hoe that any prospective candidate actually had some experience of political high office'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or running things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Obama doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does David Cameron, our PM'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the danger with the Democratic platform is that the pedophiles and child-molesters may soon begin demanding "rights" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Jarrett has 4 years of experience as potus'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that counts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, fair enough, he's a figurehead who has done very little, but he is experienced in his field'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in his field? Organised Crime?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, tell me all about how the Democratic party is Communist, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'objectivly podes should have human rights - they are human - Dostoyevski - a society can be judged by how they treat thier criminals - but subjectively - farm the rockspiders organs out imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tzadkiel:  poisoned and overcrowded sick mammals practice homosexuality'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't claim I'm misquoting you on that because you said it not 10 minutes ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet you refuse to source your claim. Nice to know you're a LIAR.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'checkout wild lemurs and get back to me mate - lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you gay democrat, yuna, is this what it's about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nice bullshit attempt at deflection, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is about how you hold zero credibility. You lie, you distort, you retroactively change what you said.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you think gay is a perversion? Is it curable? What is wrong with being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all that's going on in the world, this is the most important thing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'To gays, probably'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you are not, in any alternate universe, an independent. You're a right-winter trying to masquerade as an independent, yet constantly spouting off right-wing bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think we've found the button'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'log for accountability if you are so sure Yuna mate and nail it to the wall - otherwise it is the 5 yr old he said she said ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, there it is, the "Who cares what I did or said? There are more important things going on in the world!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'homosexuality among mammals and humans is a symption of overcrowding, poisoning, and other diseases'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's strange that you're not actually interested in what i think about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tzadkiel, TigerNUTS said not 10 minutes ago that the Democratic Party is communist. He's REFUSING to recant that claim, nor is he actually sourcing that claim when I demand he do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You haven't answered my 3 pointed questions, please consider doing so'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - check out wild lemures Xy - can't say more '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you're demanding of me now? who do you think you are? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you think gay is a perversion? Is it curable? What is wrong with being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna have to cut n paste - if he is what you say is there another way ? and Tz is fine btw '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, it's settled. TigerNuts has no credibility and is a habitual liar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at any party that advertises it as left wing and you'll see a spectrum of views from traditionally centralist, to traditionally far left, which includes communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's he said, she said, but TigerNuts is proving RIGHT NOW that he's a liar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama has a heady upbringing in communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cipms wanking is captivity XY perhaps confused ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chimps *'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some say that humans evolved from lemures -- if that is the case, the wild lemures obviously do not want to evolve into any more humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the only political party this side of China which I would consider to be the left side of centre is the French Socialist party'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, "Has streaks of communism" does not equal "Is communist".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally believe in small democracies and small states'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you're conflating Communism with Socialism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'small government'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dems, Republican, Tory, libs, Labor, aussie libs, ALL right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'forgot the national party in Oz Vaki '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'nats are lib puppets, nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'still divide the vote in some areas imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Policy is identical'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'had wanna be - they are after the same voters imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw soz for the imo stuff am trying to be less confrontational '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bob Brown ! the last lefty in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then tell me in what ways the Democratic party is Communist, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not simply that is it. That's not proper debating technique and you know it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've already answered that question'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gets out her copy of Marx :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chapter and verse ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No you didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if those liberals are with the "same policies", one of those 'liberal" parties may be secretly run by the rightwingers with an agenda of splitting the liberal votes, permitting the rightwing parties to win more seats in an election'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is more or less where people fall on the political spectrum, left-centre-right: Stalin--Mao-Lenin-Trovsky-French Socialists-(centre)-AU labor-AU lib-Dems-Republicans-Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Obama has an upbringing in Communism" and "Spectrum of views to the far left, which includes Communism" aren't telling us HOW they are Communists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw frag this ppl you are both intellegent enough to get this done - do it '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I can't even spell it '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell us what policy decisions they support which are Communist. Tell us what Communist caveats the Democratic party shares.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less so these days, but still perceivable today in UK's Labour party are members and politicians that are form-communist and have communist leanings. Althought centrist, originally considered left wing, the Labour party holds a variety of views ranging from centrist to communist/far left'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok nailed that '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in exactly the same way the conservative party holds everything from centrist to far right nationalist, green, etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If the Democrats had existed before the "OMG reds coming to kill us run for the hills" bullfuckery of McCarthy, they would be considered grossly right wing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why left/right doesn't work. Ideology and positions can't be pigeonholed like this, it required many dimensions to accurately or even fairly approximate positions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DEFEND YOUR POSITION, TIGERNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep follows on from my earlier point Vaki ty for crediting the crazy chichy :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Adolf was a socialist -- he didn't like parasites (and unfortunately those (mistakedly) considered inferior)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't describe myself as left or right because my views don't neatly fall on one side or the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell us in what specific ways the Democratic Party is Communist, not simply that it is!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's leader is communist, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what FUCKING ways?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'McCarthy is the poison which will kill the US, hands down confirmed.  Everything from Reaganist economics to Bush's wars to the GFC, completely spawned from McCarthyism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in every way'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some mentioned the Nazi pary - deb over !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read his book'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great argument, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch the dvd'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the Republican party is misogynist, homophobic and hates dogs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys we can do SO much better than this !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Republicans are literally Hitler. In what way? IN EVERY WAY.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is "Godwin's Law" - is that when a special debate card is played'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch Dreams from my real father'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, IN WHAT WAYS IS OBAMA COMMUNIST? Why should I have to read his book and do YOUR job for you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU made a claim, now source it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, YOU have read his book. So tell us again how his book tells us he's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tells us specific statements in his book that reveals his secret Communism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be seen reflected in his policy direction'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I bet you haven't even read it yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how can it be seen, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What specific policy decisions has he made or promised to make that makes it abundantly clear that he's a Communist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On a scale from 1-100, where Communism is 1 and Hitler is 100, attempting to move a country from 90 to 85 does NOT make one a Communist'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I hate rules - you all know but here perhaps to stop this being reduced to a farce we institute  some - standard debate rules ? idk but I see some nice heads spinning wheels  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans are anti-socialist, and thus are actually anti-Hitler, even though they are also pro-Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is this reactionary bullshit which makes right wingers scum who should be wiped clean'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for example, forcing power stations to close by imposing carbon tax laws, but excluding General Electric from the rules'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did GE become a public owned company when I wasn't looking?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suggesting "we should bail out every company"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Source for the 1st claim? Also, how the FUCK is that Communist?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bush signed the first bailouts - is he a commie too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2) The 2nd claim is a lie and you know it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all working towards centralist policies, where a handful of large corporations holds control of everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bush, the single greates champion the Right Wing has had since Reagan, is a secret Commie? STOP THE PRESSES'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or a capatalist - propping up an economy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Corporatism is not communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is where the power if held. Something labelled a government, or a Global Corporation'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... you're trying to back up your initial lie with more lies. How crdible of you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it only took 30 minutes for you to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you looking for, yuna, a signed confession?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(but is Vakieh holding any Zyklon B gas reserves -- right winger scum be wary)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm looking for ANY kind of evidence of Communism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So far, you've provided two LIES.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Marx actually had something to say on the evolution of capatalism into a form of communism - as 1 company controled the entire system - was food for many sci-fi movies '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's even had his school and college records classified to hide this shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he was pretty much spot on, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You obviously have no IDEA about the bullshit you spout off. You OBVIOUSLY get all of your talking points from Fox Nes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, Fox News.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get fox news here, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's a clue, oh Ignorant One: ALL college admission records are classified!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Pox News'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in the U.S.)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not talking about admission records'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all school reports'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me about how he's had them sealed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big fan of eugenics Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was one of the first presidential order he gave'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'College transcripts are "sealed" as well. You cannot get someone's college transcripts unless you're that very same person.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama did not seal SHIT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you too Yuna pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source that Obama has EVER ordered his college anythings sealed and that it was his FIRST presidential order?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is asking an Imm to moderate debates alot to ask ?  - just thinking in future - this chann should be treated with respect and a one on one sitdown imo should be moderated imo ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You must be new here, Tzadkielv.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no just insane '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'prob ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For someone living in the UK, you seem to get FAR too butthurt by US politics - stick with your own before you go fixing other people's, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts is refusing to show any kind of proof for his lies, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wading through legalees right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'moderators tend to censor and shut down current debates and destroy a debate channel '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It should be quite EASY to source a claim such as the one you just made. Like how Obama's first presidential edict was to seal his college transcripts. You'd think you'd be able to source it after only 10 seconds on Google.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I find this challenge - debating higher than mashing buttons and we attract some decent minds(and some stuffed ones ) to the forum'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'TigerNuts is obvious a closet Republican (or a Stephen Colbert groupee)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I did a stint on a religous site as a moderator - just follow deb rules - and enforce ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian is the nearest match, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not reading all of that. Give me something I can CTRL+F.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone can find anything on the net - except nukes - anyone ? lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a religious site moderator -- which site -- most religious sites are intolerant '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical of most debating forums though, rather than discussing substance it descends into he said she said source war, which really isn't anything more than paper-waving'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no was faith n reason - an interfaith site - agnostics and athiests are welcome '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've finished the 1st page. It talks only about how if someone is seeking to have a President's records released, the president will be notified of this.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '" Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and;former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records,;the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during;that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege;by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed;by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for;a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the;notice"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This section actually tells us that while the incumbent President has a right to delay the release should there be valid cause, the records can be released.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it all falls back to the presidential records act of 1978, it stands to reason that presidents want to hide their personal info'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'also ran a 93 member alliance in a gumby free gaming site - same thing - keep em on track and accountable '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has legitimate purpose'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder why he'd pass such an order after months of Birther bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has fuckall to do with Obama sealing his fucking college records, TigerNuts and you KNOW it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'General Provisions.  (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I find it amusing that you spit chunks about that when earlier you asked me how many years of tax returns people should release'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a word for people like you: Hypocrite'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'General Provisions.  (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed  to impair or otherwise affect:  (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head  thereof'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was asking that to determine how "Independent" you really are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments bury their important documents to ensure nothing comes to light until after the people are dead, or retired and everyone forgotten about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney has not released a SINGLE year's worth of full tax returns and his wife admits that they contain "ammunition", so we KNOW something is amiss here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chilcot inquiry'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This Presidential Order Obama passed has NOTHING to do with SEALING ANYTHING and you KNOW it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- most of this is just a pissing contest (talking to u Xy) but real change can come from it - lol check those lemurs out ! just we have been doing this for millenia and it crushes the spirit to see the he said - she said after 6-7k years history ... Goethe if we live in ignorance of history we live hand to mouth ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you hadn't figured that Mitt Romney is an asset stripper and a tax dodger, no amount of tax returns are going to help you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It merely exists to NOTIFY Obama of any requests for his records and to give him a window of opportunity to provide evidence as to why these records should not be released should that be necessary. And it has never been invokved even once.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You LIED. You're STILL lying now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single argument you've put forward today is a LIE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? then why hasn't he released his birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And AGAIN you lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because it's standard practice doesn't make it untrue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He HAS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he hasn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R? - wanna / need to ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But why cares about that, because it's obviously a fake, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he 'released' was a digital construction which has since been proven to be a forgery'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not even convinced TigerNuts is a real person anymore. Sounds like someone doing a bad parody of a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Proven by whom?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tzadkiel, do you affirm or deny the existence of current paranormal activity  (non-religious paranormal activity)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Certainly not any credible fact checkers, who all passed it as the genuine article.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they pass it as a genuine article when they haven't seen the original?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And ALL Hawaiian birth certificates are digital nowadays. They went digitals ages ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you want me to form this up Tiggy n Yuna or you guys happy with this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you someone debunk it as a forgery if they haven't seen the original?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they debunked the digital version released on the white house website'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'see R ? needs a higher power to make this work better imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No they didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again how Obama is a Communist, TigerNuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And not by claiming he's sealed his college records, which is a lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm done with you, yuna, you're talking but nothing comes out, it's just white noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'management will be like - it will seem like we are taking sides - and the classic - it has always happened like this - the is a single chann and deb rules exist - tried n true '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tiger paraphrase ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit I'm not in this '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. I'm the bad guy for demanding proof. And you're not for constantly lying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have not lied'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suggestions - to imms ? how to ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've said things that you don't agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same as lying'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"My newly released report"... by Mara Zebest, a no-name Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you DID lie. You claim Obama's sealed his college transcript/records/whatevers. He has done no such thing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you read it and shut the fuck up already?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That is a CONFIRMED lie. You provided a link that proved NO SUCH THING.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me all about which section in the pdf you linked you that says he sealed them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the presidential records act of 1978 is about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey verbal assult aint part of this ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK does an act from 1978 have to do with Obama doing shit?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how can you prove it simply by mentioning that such an act exits?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Give me a SINGLE link that proves Obama sealed his records.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'So you are arguing semantics, the difference between "Obama sealed his school records with a presidential decree", and "Obama passed a presidential decree that sealed his personal records"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That decree did NOT seal his personal records.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, say "Obama signed a decree that sealed his personal records, in the same way the previous presidents have done since 1978"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote wherein the decree it says the records are sealed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'simple to resolve: the Obama school records, are they available or are they sealed'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not available, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The ones which are publically available? Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- ok - the greater good means so many things to diff ppl - just keep it objective and non personal ? - lol yeah I know                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               - bloddy lefty/rightwing but ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama did not seal anything that wasn't already sealed for every citizen of the U.S. by law.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n F! I'm insane .... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nitpicking semantics'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Xyliz person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All that  decree did was provide him with the option to prevent a record from being released IF HE CAN PROVIDE REASONABLE CAUSE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which doesn't sound as outrageous when TigerNUTS is still claiming, to this day, that  his birth certificate was a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you decide what constitutes reasonable cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The only important thing to know is that Obama, like the conservatives, goes to Bohemian Grove, CFR meetings, and is a tool of the U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you not understand how the English language works?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That makes them the same "team" as the conservatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't try and distill it to this one fake/not fake birth certificate issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Talk about forest for the trees'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still wanna know how Obama's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's following Agenda 21, like all other presidents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you don't know what that is, you're not much qualified to debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your idea of proof is "Obama passed a Presidential Decree that kinda, in some way MIGHT function as a sealing of his college transcripts, so there's obvious stuff in there that proves he's a Communist!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course he doesn't, Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he thinks this is me vs obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or me vs democrats'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, hey, why let facts and evidence stand in your way, TigerNuts.-'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't speak for others, but I'm anti-Obama not because I'm a conservative - it's because I'm anti all of those idiots'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You've got pressing matters to discuss, like Birtherism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't have our best interest in mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people demanding his birth certificate is no different to people demanding Romney's tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither will publish because it will INCRIMINATE THEM'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This about your credibility, TigerNuts, of which you apparently have none. It wasn't as apparent in the past, but it's readily apparent now, after your failed attempts are covering up your own lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Before this, you at least maintained a semblance of credibility. I, for one, did not know you were a Birther 'til today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't care less if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii, I find it strange that he should go to such lengths to cover it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He HAS fucking published his birth certificate. But nothing will ever be enough for you, will it Tigernuts? If they SOMEHOW find his ORIGINAL birth certificate and publish it, you'll just claim it's a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYTHING will be a forgery in your eyes because Obama is OBVIOUSLY not a natural born citizen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Says every non-Birther who's examined the original or the digital reproduction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the way that it's OK for our ruling elite to have secrets, yet us, the serfs aren't allowed privacy, after all, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's quite telling how you claim you cannot confirm the digital reproduction as real, but that you can debunk it as a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw soz for the outburst - U know why - they tried to waen me off the prescription stuff because Iwas drinking so much - - levels restored while they deal with my agression - lol I love anonimity - can't talk to anyone  else about this - have to balance the psycosis from ethanol where I can pass out with the bits where I have no downtime   - just trying to get vodka on the PBS .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYBODY'S college transcripts are sealed by law. So are their birth certificates.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Arpaio set out initially to prove it was real, you know'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That failed'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about? Sheriff Arpaio has always been a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have you 2 explored what you share in comon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts, you hold zero credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh right, i'm not allowed to use your tactics against you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will hold this over your head EVERY SINGLE TIME you try to use this channel unless you recant your lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do what you want'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit - start on comon ground and go from there ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I bother giving you sources? You'll just claim they're forgeries. But, fine, I'm lazy. I'll RECANT that statement about Arpaio for now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike you, i'm not a control freak that feels the need to legislate everything that everyone thinks and says'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I make absolutely NO aspersions as to when he became a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, to understand this, you have to look to the past.  You know we've been lied to in the past; what makes you think the present is any different?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"failure to prove" is not "proof of the opposite"  (except in very rare philosophical instances)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You see all the examples from recent history, and you find it shocking it yet occurs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw -- frag it - lets start a  fued - thats helpful ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok Tz out for now '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can ask "prove 9/11 is an inside job", and the response is: Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Bay of Pigs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I got to read boolean algebra XY - lol next time gloves off ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The proof isn't found in debating one video whether it is/isn't a controlled demolition; it's in the trend'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just as the proof in Obama as a fraud doesn't lie in whether his certificate is manufactured/not; it's simply because the past presidents, left- and right-wing, have been frauds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh had enough for today '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz sought to prove that "God exits" -- failed, ergo: "God does not exist".  qed
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the comments from the people on the official commission is enough to doubt the credibility of the official narrative'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I need a back massage - anyony ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Totally proves it's a forgery!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that Obama is a Communist!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is your argument that Obama is not a communist because he has a real birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'strong argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, they're two separate arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, they're not'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's the logical inverse'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'see, even Yuna is capitualiting to the TigerNuts '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts claims Obama's birth certificate is a forgery because some Birther nuts have debunked it as such and that the "comments from the people on the official commission is enough to doubt the credibility of the official narrative".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He also claims Obama is a Communist and tries to prove it by claiming that Obama's sealed his college transcripts. His college transcripts obviously have some damaging info in them. Info that obviously proves he's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as a passing thought   Tiggy n  Yuna should fuck - you are both citezens getting screwed by the same companies ? win-win ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seeing as how we live in separate countries, no.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have bestiality laws here, so no thanks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd say a better proof of his being a communist is in the status quo of the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'more objective and quantifiable, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...also less debatable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Yuna is speaking as a TigerNuts groupee '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just angry, Xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Status Quo of the U.S. is Communist in its nature?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can rest easy, though, cuz Dubya and H.W. are all commies too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fresh Hell is this?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol never bean a beast in bed ..... time to explore - but seriously now I said sex I have ur attention - how can you both benefit from the political climate you are both Very aware of ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, Big Gummint bailed out the private sector twice'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Know what that's called?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1. Housing Derivatives, 2. G.M'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You own nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See where this is going?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts is aware of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You've turned it into "us" vs. "them" fanaticism while failing to see where we actually stand'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, I'm not a conservative, so you can't dismiss my argument as such'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's spouting off lies. So he's either willfully ignorant, just plain ignorant or lying through hsi teeth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, yuna, adults talking'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Socialist =/= Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holds socialist principles =/= Socialist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why do you assume that someone who wants small government is right wing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I suggest you never visit the Nordic Countries. We'd be like Soviet Russia cranked up to 100 to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate work it out - man hours - existing labour- mutual gain ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I do that? When have I ever claimed that? When have I ever even implied that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earlier today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote, please?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're actually in a fascism masking as socialism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"we" refers to U.s.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you keep calling me a right winger'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is that calling anyone who wants smaller government a right winger?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mutual gain - life don't have to be a pissing contest - exxplore that instead of arguing shit that don't meant anything objectiveely ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seemed to be obsessed with me being right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I'm trying to expose you for the fraud that you are. You are not an independent, as you claim to be.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your only political position is NOT "Smaller government only".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i'm independent, i'm not a member of a political party'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And now you've given us another lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Neither am I. So... I'm an Independent then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is what it is - a MUD player aint gonna change that - so spend time exploring earning opportunities you can both benifit from ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess so'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have never claimed that anyone who wants smaller government is a right-winger and you KNOW that, yet you made that claim.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that's what you do. You take reality and then reshape it to fit your argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that tactic should be extremely familiar to you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama passed a decree that allows for him to contest the release of his college records if there's valid reasoning? Obviously he's sealed all of his records!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the small government thing was the only bit of my own personal agenda/belief that i've given today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the only way we know reality is by working it  - so work it - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, Tigernuts? I've seen you espouse your views before. I know your stances.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so how can you hepl each other ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think you do'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, more importnatly, I've called you a right-winter before today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, we've established that you knowingly lied. End of story.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've established nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yyou are both assute living beings - feast of each other !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I still want evidence that Obama is a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, keep watching him :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you have no evidence, as usual, for your outrageous claims? Duly noted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'My window is ending - they seem to have my meds / vodka / insomnia back under control so I have to g o soon but f it I hate seeing 2 intellegent ppl argue with no rule ensuring an objective outcome or greater than that they find common ground to focus energy on - (as I have seen tonight) - this is a resource not a pissing contest imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'understand ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not my real dad, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not fit to be a parent at all atm - you know that - double laugh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm getting a lil better though ? I hope ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think I didn't swear at all tonight? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best get some in then'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you bring up, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually I was a lil concerned about the Imm/debate rules - should be individual instance ? I dunno - was just a suggestion '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think it would be unwise to have moderation or involvement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'moderators encourage censorship, leads to bottled rage'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are standard debate rules - debate chann.. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This isn't 'debating' debate chan, so much as rage chan'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where, tzad? and xyliz's first comment i agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the game here is moot - the chat is where it is at imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'combat - deb chann it debases up when we rage on the deb chann imo - ok I debase curse on a reg basis but deb should be serious - how else do we  gain from what is otherwise a b otable game ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some nutters require an outlet to vent their rage against the perceived unfairness and vicissitudes of existence '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all I can say is that some people have an irrational fear of those who disagree with their bubble'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you then get demanding opinions be verified as facts, and suddenly nobody is allowed to have a free thought anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(better here in virtual land than out there irl)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(better here in virtual land than out there irl) (where happiness is a warm ...)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rants are face loosing shit and belong on a diff chann - gosss- idk - I don't/can't do goss - deb is an objective search for the truth - remember this is just a waste of rage unless you can be objective and seriously humans can't be objective withouth moderation imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(silly twisted fool)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am insane - yes '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'embrace the rules or the .50 cal sniper rifle I own '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, just bear in mind that the sharp end is for the bad guys'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bad - subjective - I could be racists (I'm not)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that's what Moriary said of Nellie Seagoon singing: "There always will be an England, and England shall be free, if England means as much to you, as England means to meeeeeeeee".  Moriarty: "Silly twisted fool".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be time for your "ow", xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy you got bitter rather quick - you ok - tell ok ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bitter ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cynical '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(somebody never heard of or never listened to the BBC "Goon Show") '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before most of the readers here's parents were born, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol my dad has the entire log on tape !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spyke milligan one addressed prince phillip as "trainee king" - well theres my anekdote .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also referred to Prince Charles as "a long eared twit"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so separate from the comman man - both in life experience and power structures - dammit disolve the monarchy !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit Vaki n Xy - have we estlabished nothing tonight other than the game is no the game we are being played by ? -  yet you  persist and I'm insane ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok no accounting for lif e balance \'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have no idea what you just said...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'want me to try ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know niether .. so ? point ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm at or over the end of my operational cappacity - ie about to paass  out - so soz if I did the cause a disservice '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personal observation - an introduction of the topic and gamespeak is prevalent ? -  imo why hide here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure we understand what you're trying to say'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki ? or Xy ? both are guilty ? respond ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right colout, wrong channel'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'colour*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy ? asking me what I was on about ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we can't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why not ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'such a waste - yes I may be projecting '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high IQ is not an indicator of ability to conduct sound judgement, or wise insight'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I work with a bunch of scientists with high IQs, but whom are dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'soo true my 172 avg IQ score and arrest record stand as witnesses'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but it is a nexus of ability - surely we can organise this - esp given they can organise around a game loosley coordinated ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe they are humoring down to your level, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personal - strike - non  important '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of what you said on debate is grossly defective'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nonconclusive - report facts with quotes ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that is the trouble with ignoramus moderators -- too fast to cast defective false judgements'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we all scared of the real world or scared of being wrong in our own world ? - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad what are you going on about now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Zac :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Focus or use what? The deb channel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'For speaking the same language, it is incredibly difficult to understand what you write sometimes. I think it is because your little island is upside down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we organise the collective talent here into  something useful ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'infesiable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I dunno, is there any?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and to what end?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the winds may've been tamed - did not know that '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes there is talent here  ( I'm here ) :P and to what end - what problems affect us ? 99 problems but a man aint one here ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Angar is blindable, Villain is killable, there may be hope of questing frequently again after all (as a T0 SC SH)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'We should talk about something form this list: The relative merits of different types of hotsauce, pornography, pretentious films that we can laugh at despite their illusions of grandeur.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this game is great for training but why specialize in it when there is so much talent here and so many external factors ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'ghost peppar sauce is delicious'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Too hot, not enough flavor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'none effect the quality of our life much ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'great flavor it doesn't taste like pickle brine like most HOT hotsauces'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I disagree. I couldn't live without hotsauce or pornography.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that Zaccarion person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'except naga jolika chillies ! f'n rock - my fave n only plant I care for '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but never together'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the collective brains round this place forma collective that cares for chillies - or a game ... get my drift ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seen the talent here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'want it wasted on chillies ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well I still disagree with you about there being much "potential" here, but I also disagree in the notion that we are a collective.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when you have it so perfect ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we could be - colectives dont agree on everything '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What's wastefull about chillies?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no but chillies contain a metric f'kton of vit C and cause an endorphin release that stimulates brain activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a 130-150IQ mind devotind a life to em is wasteful imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then what should it be "devoted" to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'better than devoting a life to mindlessly repeating the same cardio activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what do You want ? be suprised how many ppl share that "what I want" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Cause I say fuck that. What better purpose can a human devote himself/herself to other than human life it lives? That is the ultimate expression of humanity. To suggest that there is some ultimate purpose - some teleology is both foolish and unjustifiable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if smart people being smart and using their mind for something useful that impacted the world in some way, then it probably wouldn't be as bad as it is now - especially with all the conveniences invented since people were shitting in a public toilet afraid of the poop demon in ancient rome and stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But it is not for us to decide what any one person does with their life.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'each person should decide for themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol dammit Dru right on - in a sense !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Microsoft is 1 person ? the gov of the USA is 1 person - and in either case 1 person could do better ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not much of an excuse for alot of the social or other corruption in the world today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making excuses for it probably pays alot better than fixing it, which they're actually against'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'if you think the US government is one person you need to do some research.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to make it in this world, you must devote your mind to selfishness and exterminating your opponents without their awareness, while they fall for your brilliant disguises'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that it?  maybe 50 years ago wasn't that bad, maybe a little worse too, it's probably always been the devil in charge of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh they are messing with my meds (yet again ) n although I'm perhaps more lucid I'm sleepy - but my thought is this - look at the intellectual and social capital we have - know your own problems -  cannot one combat another ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac - for you - explain pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You said "look at the intellectual and social capital we have - know your own problems - cannot one combat another?"  - what do you mean by that? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what don't u understand from my last rambling ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's nature, little birds will open their beaks in front of the other birds to get 2 suppers instead of one, same things with humans, mother's judgement's missing most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok we have alot of smart ppl here ? yes/no ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'that there is some way our own personal struggles/disadvantages/adversities can be of use?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can starve to death and stalin will add your grain to his pile'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, what are you talking about? You make less sense than Tzad and he's insane.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody is yet young, and perhaps did not yet experience the "futility of life" that forces some humans to develop an altruistic heterosexual purpose transcending lifetimes (yes, in the possibility a nonexistent God exists, then God is heterosexual as a higher mammal (and likely male (since human females are defective after menopause)))'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one q? at a time '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's alright, humans are what i'm talking about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh fuck me ! do we have some thinking dudes here or not ! gimme a hel yeah !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone here have an informed oppinion ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "final" apocalyptic battle between good and evil (as alluded to in the christia NT) is perhaps also a battle between heterosexuals and the sexperverts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not sure the odds look great with the "many called few chosen"  but with "there may only be the One", maybe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there anybody who's not a sex pervert on earth, after a certain age?  maybe some mentally handicap people lack the capacity for perversive thought'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'applying thought to reality, 'he who lusts after a woman in his heart hath committed adultery with her already' , damn i guess you must be a perverted christian'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, don't you like porn?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps there are degrees of depravity -- like venial depravity and abominable depravity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru consent is the exclusion zone and Xy you wonder why ppl don't engage ? - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lusting is veniel compared to doing the act'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'what makes either (lust or sex) a negative action?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps there are degrees of lust -- like venial nonserious lust and abominable lust'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it produces people like stalin?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the consent of the participant Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the only "sin" or negative action is one that harms another living being'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe perverted people turned stalin into himself instead, or bad negligent parents on a power trip'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'then everything is a sin'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that hotel hieress slut'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lust and sex create people like Stalin? That's a pretty large jump there buddy. And consent? As in the consent of the woman I jerk off to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I like this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Imo she consented when she got paid :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Craig ? am I this unreasonable or are you trying me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'See Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video on youtube of a 7 year old boy reciting stanza's from the koran, i don't know if he understood what he was reading or not, but he had every word down'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine some of those islamic sects capitalize on that kind of devotion, resulting in their kind of marxist-stalinism terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and that different from a toddler saying the lord prayer how?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, you do know that you spout unintelligible and completely worthless jibberish, right? How did you jump from sex to stalin to a 7 year old reading the koran? And now terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'adding this and that, they do that with christianity in some places in europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly it's girls being trained as dogs though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, you see a mote in my eye that you're projecting my way, i guess you can't see any other equilibrium in the subjects'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Exactly my point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, what did the government ever do to you to make you so made at it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a whole bunch of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to emulate how schizophrenics speak --  (jump to different topics without explaining or stating the in-between steps, and thus seem to speak incoherently and illogically) (the bad grammar and misspellings worsen the incoherent speech)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like davey jones locker in pirates of the carribean, his voice seems to have changed in that episode'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'personally theres: getting 62% of a settlement taken in taxes when the settlement was from the goverment for robbing my people over the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lockjaw knows what's happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What are your people RandAlthor?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'luiseno'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so they give you tax-payer money (or government corporate funding) and then tax it back to themselves for their services'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice and sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that always seems stupid doesn't it?  reading the news i see alot of apparently stupid things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'what the hell is a luiseno?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'native american nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I thought we killed all of y'all off?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Thanks for alerting us to the mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm proud that i wasn't a member of the white people who colonized the native americans, but understand that i'm a white man from europe anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestors weren't with the nations that came here and did that stuff, they came here because of advertisements in germany/hungary/russia for cheap land to farm and leaving behind people like genocide stalin and world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'was there a part of europe that didn't colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the BIA stole 35 million from trusts my tribe setup over 50 yrs and we got a 42M settlement minus little over 60% in fees and taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard that native american tribes are blighted by deeply corrupt governance'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure how true that is'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'varies from tribe to tribe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we about to see the tribes claiming their land back?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why would you think that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'we just got a few hundred acres annexed back into or nation in southern california'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and i know of a few hundred similar cases in federal courts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly the 100's of thousands of acres that you had stolen from you in the 17th through 20th century though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard a native american on yahoo chat one day talking about islam being taught in america over 1000 years ago to the native americans - i had my doubts about this claim for various reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not impossible, just not likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but with the amount of gang-affiliated native americans and their 'omerta' kind of bonding and things like that, getting into that community might be something desireable (somewhat from within) but also from without '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if you view islam as altered jeudic christian teaching then there is some basis'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not all in gangs and things, but in my province at least, there's alot of crime among their communities in cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why would you want to get into any religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually the youth'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh, if there are doubts, don't mention that crap, as you are attempting to smear amerindians with the islamic terrorist label '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's even more unlikely that it would be taught on a widespread level.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh i wouldn't worry about being tarnished as a terrorst, every other sensible person has already'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not what i'm attempting at all, i seen this person claiming that and i wondered about why they'd be saying that, and several possibilities came to mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good to be aware of deceivers trying to send people on holy wars and things like that, and look at what kind of tools they might use to perpetrate it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'probably because they want to set up whichever nation it was as a paragon of sea-exploration :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'prejudiced intolerant white landrobbers are likely to use the Chemosh echos as further reasons to rob the "islamic" amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'some native tradition religions resemble greatly catholism or islam'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as like them claiming islam was taught to native americans over 1000 years ago, spain/france/england were all hostile with islamic nations for a long time, i think - maybe the french less so, so i'd be curious what kind of people they'd have in their militaries and sent over to colonolize the people already here'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my tribe was granted permission from the vatican to continue practicing on the basis the teachings were the same just different rituals'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's in the history i read, anyways, so i'm just not sure if non-christian people would have been on those ships - maybe africans though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, 1492 + 1000 is 2492 < 2012 -- nope, that don't work '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever, they were saying that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'is historicaly odd since catholics tended to react violently when meeting a new religion '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, "muslims discovered the Americas before 1492" - nah, unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah that's a crock of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'show me some evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he said on the ships that brought the spanish/english/french to america instead, i go from memory'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, "some Amerindians went over from the Americas to the middle east and taught Mohammad how to start islam" -- not likely either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the scenario i was lookin at, you can look it up yourself how many wars with the muslim nations were fought in those days - i don't think they'd have muslim clerics and things populating their expedition ships'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they were saying that's what it was - if they were taught the koran that long ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then they were most likely wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to emulate a blatantly wrong history revisionist (tsk tsk)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'odds are seriously against it, chem.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you honestly need more than 'it could have happened''
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"they" said -- maybe "they" were on peyote'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh on peyote ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that stuff will mess with your head but tends to have a semi-permant anti-arsehole effect'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'odds are against it, but that person might be teaching it to others for malevolent purposes, or for integration of islam as the majority native american religion or something like that as their goal, i'm sure you can see how it's useful to control the history of a people and make it's worldly identity your will'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i remembered what they said for pointing it out like this, something to watch out for and question - which not everybody does'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'obviously thats why the US gov changed native vs white history so often'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i almost died from laughing when i first saw wounded knee after reading the offical story'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have controversial opinions on history, politically non-correct and things like that, or questions that nobody can answer - ways of looking at grievous evidence/beliefs that reason out why 'the future generations' may be outside the vocabulary of a casual victim writing a journal'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like if you watch the disney lemming episode from the 1950's, suicidal critters, but apparently a entirely fictitious video'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Have you considered why your opinions are controversial?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just because it's controversial doesn't mean it's more likely to be true.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'see above.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, that's true'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like we can wonder why they don't teach holodomor on history television along with the holocaust, and warsaw ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada at least'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of ukrainian immigrants in canada in comparison to jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it'd probably be relevant in a democratic learning canon'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"garbled", another word (in addition to "unintelligible", "incoherent", "illogical") to describe the speech of Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Thank you. You can put up your thesaurus.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm looking up Holodorom I don't know what that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never said nothing bad about native americans though, with regards to the one i heard on yahoo - even he maybe didn't have bad intentions, but my mind usually goes to the worst (or near the worst) possible scenario in any situation, and tries to prove it wrong from there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're evil, chemosh, you must be right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so at least, i convinced myself, with what's known about american history and european conflicts, maybe spain or france or africa was islamic by then, slaves etc (then that'd be mostly in america and south america wouldn't it?) that it's unlikely that native americans were reciting the koran way back when'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Chemosh: "looking at grievous evidence/beliefs that reason out why 'the future generations' may be outside the vocabulary of a casual victim writing a journal"  <-- attempts to decipher that into something intelligibe caused mental pain'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that Xyliz person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they would have been very concerned about a middle-eastern warlord's prophetic visions about god in comparison to the white devil doing their evil work that continues to this day in it's own disguised form, and their own spiritual beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, they wouldn't have known white people (except maybe lost ships on a local level) much back then either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i provided the source of that saying awhile ago, it's not my fault you missed it - it's best that it's missed anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it was all a conditional 'controversial' musing, against the law in some european places most likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conditional cause of the missing holodomor history lessons, where's the gulag-hunters? and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they find state-orphaned children from argentina and spain as well, but german stasi 'honnecker widow' school pupils?  nah'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's alot of conditions that i try to make sense of when i consider the problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and justice in rwanda, according to BBC a man who sentenced a womans family to death is now her new family, they were their neighbours at the time of the genocide of 600,000 in 100 days'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's mister united absence of genocide, serbia freedom fighters in syria etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you reason out who's the good guy, when it looks like everybody's a crook in the real world today, in the past?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if there ever was a good guy, what traits is the leadership of this world against ever allowing to prosper?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why do you think there is a good guy? :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then, is it likely that anybody is not a crook, regardless of how charismatically they speak, with great zeal and blessings from the church and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ok Holodomor - found it on wikipedia. Bunch of ukranians starved to death.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Holodomor -- some blame part of this genocide on the jews (for supporting the Communist (1917) revolution)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Now I have forgotten how it got brought up though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'chem'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh likes to bandy the word "holodomor"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not many others do, if you turn on your television guide any night though, and you have sattelite , you might find a 24 hour stream of dedication to the victims of the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not victims of genocide in general, that'd be too democratic for a multicultural nation of minority jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if there is a karmic God, "holodomor" may explain the "haulocaust" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this could happen to you, dearn white person called nazi by chris rock on lethal weapon 4'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were white people the only devils in the last 100 years?  according to modern history yes, and the jews are their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so all of josef stalin's victims were jews too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'comrade andropov'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''multiculturalism doesn't work' seems to make sense when you look at how some cultures receive all the attention that others don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh, do you seriously expect others to debate the crap you are suggesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care if they do or not, it's just an observation i made - it's there for you to verify'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disregard, not verify'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '30 million 'non-jews?' , including 8 million ukrainians 'warsaw ghetto' starved to death by stalin from 1929-1939'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were only actors'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and executed, humiliated and then killed things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death-camped to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi's are the only ones remembered for their original crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is typing out words, but they translate as nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if 8 million is the figure of the nazi's victims of this kind of cruelty, which i heard hitler campaign and rally the germans against ever happening in germany, then how is the 30 missed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, the misuse of the word "only"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, go ask an average american about the holocaust, and then about stalin's crimes and the gulag'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're white they probably came from the european territories, so their history should be somehow connected if they're non-jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know about one but not the others, amazing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be financial holocaust soon'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they hate nazi's?  you bet, do they consider the nature of the nazi's enemies?  they're the ones teaching the nazi's to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'surely you don't base your opinions on those of Jay Leno's jaywalkers'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like tigernuts is saying there, bernard shaw stalinism '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to be doing that in northern canada more and more now, i read, the federal subsidies to the eskimo's destroyed lifestyle living allowances doesn't pay for food'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they raise the cost of a meal to 50 dollars per person'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's rediculous in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'would like to point out that the USSR were very secretive about their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'they don't hate Nazis! It's easier to hate the guy that did his crimes in the open than it is to hate the person who his wrongs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes, they were very secretive and still are'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they're publicly acknowledging those things more than they might have before though, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and yet you are here ranting that their forgotton, despite knowing that they were not public about their times'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'they're*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if the german reich was secretive in their times, and found the allies smuggling munitions on red cross medical ships, shouldn't that mean they shouldn't teach about their secret crimes too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and the reason Hitler is deemed more monsterous than Stalin despite their death tallies is because Stalin made it easier to turn a blind eye: he only affected HIS citizens. whereas Hitler affected the whole of Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cossacks were a independent group of ukrainian civilians, autonomous from the russian government, but genocided because tehy were independent'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stalin affected eastern europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of them newly russian territories, like yugoslavia, were recently non-russian too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'The Eddie Izzard skit... Stalin killed over 10 million of his own countrymen and nobody cared. Hitler killed the ones next door... stupid man...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and don't act like the Allies were these saints, the nuked Japan TWICE! and then haraboured Nazi Scientists to manipulate in the cold war'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still brutalize them today according to amnesty international, it seems like a playground where the russian loyal soldiers go to rape and torture people for fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '600,000 police tortures per year?  number seems a little higher than the police doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Sapulchre is as bad as Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the use of Nazi scientists was extremely smart of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'this is pointless, Hitler vs Stalin comes down to one question of mortality: Is the evil guy that geniuenly thinks his acts are right more evil than the guy that knows his actions are wrong and tries to hide 'em'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'smart, yes. but also shows they weren't saints'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'numbers too, 30 million + compared to 8'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gulag operated until 1960 or so, that's 13-15 years after the nazi's vacated the premises'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Hitler was a saint compared to Stalin'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'numbers don't mean much, iirc Stalin ruled longer than Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and who was in poland at the time of the world war 2?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were they pleasing stalin's grain bag like the ukraine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if we could get data on a year they both ruled, and calculate the death count. I might be persuaded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stalin was an abomination'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Churchill was also a mass murderer  (Dresden)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Eisenhower was also a mass murderer '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'nobody throughout History is squeaking clean:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I have forgotten what you guys are arguing about.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'diddo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Topic : Chemosh is trolling people into debas'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"dildo" or "ditto" - not the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'debates*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sleep deprived spelling '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Xyliz, Ambassador of Mesolar:)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read somewhere that the president of the usa after the one who started world war 2 died, but possibly before the other - after 1.3 or so million german soldiers surrendered, ordered they're all starved to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's how they died - could be a lie though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also read about the mass-rapes by allied soldiers in germany/italy and france'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god only knows (and a man who thinks he's god) about what really went on there '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was Eisenhower the mass murderer that starved german soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'mass rapes occur in almost every war, even happened in Rwanda'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and do you really need german males and non-choice cuts of meat if you have a nation of toys to indulge in?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '1.3 million or 5 million - unsure of the exact figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think they were fed at all, non-gulag death camped germans who weren't all jews?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of one woman living in texas who had a sterilization procedure, grandaughter or daughter of a high-ranking nazi officer'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she might know some of what went on with all the survivors'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or only what she was taught'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by her grandfathers enemy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'think we should rename this channel to (Chemosh's NewsChannel)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'without links to websites corroborating your conjectures, what you say you read is doubtful'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those afghani's sure know how to have a blast, people dare to have a singing and dancing gathering and it's sacriledge and blasphemy or something, i wonder what kind of heaven they look forward to'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you fart will god cut out your asshole for the offense?  his firmament might be holy, but that asshole of yours shouldn't get too haughty'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh i attempting to inflame and arouse anger, but the unverified uncorroborated garbled unintelligible incoherent illogical ravings are mostly disregarded, thus avoiding emotional entanglement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to inflame and arouse anger, but the unverified uncorroborated garbled unintelligible incoherent illogical ravings are mostly disregarded, thus avoiding emotional entanglement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe it was a black-flag terrorism, where the 'saviours' use some rogue-tactics to desecrate the civilians being installed upon the relevant threat of'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(notice the avoidance of commas to separate all those adjectives)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much honesty coming out of there, you'd expect they'd give up chanting akhbar and say things how they are in human-terms , at least some of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i would anyways, i suspect extreme media suppression there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can get a internet transmission across though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh: "the civilians being installed upon the relevant threat of" <-- incoherent'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember this one isolated incident i seen on youtube where a american helicopter gunner was shooting up unarmed civilians and reporters, clearly carrying reporting paraphernelia, in iraq'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'care to provide a link?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the relevant threat does things like blow up random buildings of various non-believers to gain support against the enemy, who's there to save them from the threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that video footage was shown on the Daily Show'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who will most likely be the installed government in some form '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope it was just some random terrorist holy warrior executing some moses to please the god, but i don't know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a pile of shit to me, the entire middle east involvement seems pointless '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they've killed eachother since before the bible was written, why would they stop now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'irrelevant argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'illogical supposition'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they really wanted to stomp out the 'terrorist threat', they could shut off all immigration/tourism and trade with nations who's border's aren't good enough protected and policy's don't uproot or allow leeway for buy-in's'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they wouldn't be able to come anywhere near the country itself without being detected'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'they want the oil'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'russia and china has some nice big tough guy military's with india there, they could flex their oil communist muscles over there and keep them in check'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then this one should export anybody who's interests lie elsewhere, like they can't live without this channel of foreign affairs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lockdown world, right on'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cuba did alright'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh seems clueless.  the USA wants the middle east oil, and does not want to give al the middle east oil to China.  Russia exports oil, China consimes oil, so Russia and China controlling the middle east oil is not in the interests of the USA and western Europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like communism though, one man telling all the beggars how to prove themselves worthy of this next breath of life'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not about oil...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's rediculous almost, since it says on BBC news that petro-china, who maybe didn't invest very much into the 'war on terror' in military personelle and stuff, received the oil contracts for alot of afghanistan , or other mineral contracts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh is right on this.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so america is communist china oil corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I hope I never have to type those words again'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except there is more to it than capitolist vs. communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'it's about politcal and social capital'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'it's about manipulating and negotiating. Creating govgernments that favor your people, our nation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too simplistic, as though read from a school textbook'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And a scandal involving oil is somehow more sophisticated?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'occupied governments, but not only zionist occupational governments?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and further, being sophisticated lends an argument more credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I fail to see how that's the case.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want what's best for that foreign nation over there, and my hefty private fortune, elect me to be your dear leader'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Closer to the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure sighs.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to say "not about the oil" loses credibility in the debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Dude. You really think that's all the politicos care about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oil?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should rebuild the government and it's legislations and policy's 100%, it's rediculous what kind of things they get away with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who is 'they'  = people with a facilitation for deliberation of the subject matter, like a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so some snake can use his media mongul's to make himself look like jesus christ iscariot reborn with a bunch of lies that nobody in parliament can question, otherwise they'll be political opponents and fired from their jobs, and we have to put up with him for a term of 4 years amid vote fraud allegations with proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because it's written in the almighty contract here, 4 years per slander devil political elect'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemoh suggests rebuild the government, and garbled Chemosh is unable to be coherent and express lucid -- yep, that is a laugh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and memorandum's of understanding requires some good democracy, it removes all democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and competitive market, free trade etc, memorandum of understanding on developing that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trespass against the legislations protecting a certain government facility from being removed by a government like yours, no problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody'll be able to call you to account in the supreme court that you own, you think the military takes orders from anybody but their head of state?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans sought to "rebuild" the USA with  deregulation and more taxcuts --> financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you use one group of inefficient lying serpents as examples why everybody else fails, as though they don't work together in their high-places to keep their interests deceptively in control of the world forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was there a useful suggestion in there somewhere -- nope '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a final solution is coming, but that's nothing new is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people are too stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was a missing comma is that long statement by Chemosh (between "high-places" and "to")'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'grammar police.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is too incoherent, so is not taken seriously '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think people today are more mindless than ever before in history, except maybe isolated incidents where they developed the mass-effect of this end product in testing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could they survive using their ingenuity in the real world?  or this synthetic world we live in only?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you have to know how to filter basically any water source before you drink it for instance, and human stupidity keeps normalizing bottled water and poisoning all natural water sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh stating "... are too stupid" -- mini-pot calling the kettle sooty'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's a pretty anti-productive stupidity if you ask me, once those bottles of water cost a little too much money'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now where are you gonna get your water from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'global endemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'we have wells on our land. we're good.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know a person who lives near a large-oil producing place, and claims that while drilling they dropped the entire water table down 100 feet or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you need to dig some deep wells if they make an oopsie'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'no oil stuff around. we're fine.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'there's actually an underground stream underneath my room. almost lost a pump when we were lowering it down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all screwed. i hope you realise that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheery thoughts, brought to you by mcdonalds, visa, and pepsi'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would a school think it would be ok to give out school-issued laptops to their students with spyware that sends webcam screenshots back to the school server every 15 seconds, then use the footage to discipline a student for "improper behavior in the hom"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul was offered an opportunity to speak at the GOP under two conditions: that he delivered remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a fully fledged endorsement of Mr Romney'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he declined saying that it would undo everything i've done for the last 30 years - I don't fully endorse him for president'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means when he steps down, you'll be losing a very rare animal: A principled politician'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'UFOs - good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'fictional'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UFO's are not fictional'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i saw on e'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'at least some of them are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any object that is flying and unidentified is a UFO'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good.  If they appear like they have been, you get all sorts of entertainment.  If they DO appear, they will either be hostile or friendly, and eventually the retards will be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i bet you've also seen santa a few times too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'joulupukki'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and way to be pedantic tigetnuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Santa can be VERY naughty when he wants to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'santa lives in finland.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the numbers are such that it's extremely unlikely that any planet would support life would have developed technology necessary to reach here'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that kinda assumes a level of transparency between military and civilian channels that just doesn't exist.  If there really were aliens and UFOs such that nobody could honestly doubt their existence, the general public would never really get to know about it until the mothership arrived and the world's military forces went to code brown.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is code brown?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what assumes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'shiteing their britches'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'code poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another race in another galaxy finding us would be like finding a needle in a haystack with no equipment'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they can get here, they have far better methods of detection.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting here is super unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears our makers went to considerable lengths to keep aliens apart'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'soon its possible to send a self-constructing nano-bots to assemble huge telescopes using only random junk in the space.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be so, but it remains that the best we can hope for is interplanetary and some limited seed-style interstellar ventures to the nearest galaxies, but those journeys will take decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless humans can somehow find immortality'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it's possible from a certain veiw point get up to a very large fraction of C and your relative lifespan becomes huge'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ufo's visiting earth are about as likely as honest, capable politicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they'll find life quite common out there in space, just sentient life won't be'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's currently no way to protect yourself from the radiation levels you'd be facing in space (by the way, we've never actually been in space except for trips to the moon).'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can protect yourself from alpha, beta, and gamma rays'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that uv rays can't penetrate water, some simple lotion's probably just water that doesn't evaporate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how would you get that to happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get that via a ton of help from Earth's atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'uv penetrates water nicely. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'at least clouds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on Earth, you only get something like -2 exposure to what's out there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe we'd get more space exploration done if NASA would concentrate on space more, and on being a paid propoganda branch of Al Gore less'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but some of the more dangerous high energy particles have trouble with large quantities of water'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'just on the UV spectrum yes but there are other frequencies you don't want either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're spending trillions of dollars on exploring space for other than installing spy satellites and warfare against earth nations, to preserve the human race - why aren't they spending trillions of dollars on the world that they confirmed can sustain life in preserving it, so that they don't have to go to space to escape the death happening here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really support humans colonizing space seeing what they did to this world'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't done squeezing all the funds out of it, or wiping 90% of the population off of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1)how are you going to get the water up there?  It might be lower now, but I read somewhere that it's like a million dollars per ton to transport stuff from ground to LEO.  That's just too damn expensive to simply chuck stuff up hoping nothing bad happens.'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who's online today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Portland, Oregon to spend $5m to poison it's public water supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/07/effects-of-fluoride-to-children.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'the word 'of' should be spelled 'uv''
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'checking in here too - seems the place to be atm ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so do we have anything here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurv brought up decimating low sosioeconomic areas in developed countries - not sure the purpose ? anyone wanna start the 4th Riech under Scurvy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is under any circumstance is breeding rights become breeding privalages ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hi Scurv '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just for the record Oz hang shit on eachother as a matter or course '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are no breeding rights'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but the whole eugenics theory during these times of fiscal constriction , the q? have been asked ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what politically-correct eugenics theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fiscal constraint'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just this - don't breed with Xy .. :P case in point ... :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz - getting paid out on ft - yet they wont do it direct - lol human nature / u know / '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you losers are too inferior to breed, at least not with Xy '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets move back to curse Xy - lets not debase this chann with... me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'of suggest a topic ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or *'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eugenics ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'c'mon u racists ? weigh in !'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'graduating (with honors) from an ESL class as a prerequisite to debating -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'socio-economic'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have socio economic racists like Scury who would like nothing better than to have the community decimated  because they are ? poor ? disfunctional ? idk - ask Scurv ? and we have the peace lonin socialist that wants to hand em $ because they don't have any ( for some reason) - so Zyclon B or ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(privileges)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol - lol - lol - .... expand on that Xy / '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in nature, there are neither privileges nor rights'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given that priveleges extend from functionality and birthright/birth - socioecenomic statue shouldn't we just kull them and reduce the unemployment rate/ skills shortage stc ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no reason to debate with a spellcheck illiterate - the illiterate is not going anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tep Eienstien remembered all his shopping list ... ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the illiterate neophyte attempts to speak in public, society is likely to criticise and reject the illiterate neophyte (as uneducated)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when an enlightened matser reads any transcript they respond accordingly according to transmittion imo - what are you / troll or master ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Druzil was (perhaps is) interesting and seemed (seems) sincere, and may yet be worth the effort of educating -- the spelling improved'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and so you answer ? for Tz ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy ?  drawing parralels between myseld and Dru ? - hmm - what was ur original statement ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you an accepted member of the community yet Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - take that back'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz R '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the mxit abbreviations and the (deliberate or sloppy) misspellings are a turn off (the debate channel)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah sorry Xyliz was looking for somefeadback too late in the day and  got some  (never read anothers diary) took it out on you - I am very sorry - over 20 std drinks onboard atm - but no excuse - really I have a 30 min window to  be here   my new barret is for hunting only - again soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd hate to be living in Tampa Fl right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with all those powercrazed paedo authoritarian potbelly goons rushing around demanding to grope your nuts and inspect your bags with no warrant or jurisdiction whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'admit it, you want the nutgrope'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccine inventor paul offit wants to end people's legal opt-outs to vaccinations'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blackhawk helicopters fly over minneapolis to acclimatise citizens to their presence'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lesbian Authoritarian and sexual predator Janet Napolitano has authorised the release of bacteria into the Boston underground network to study  the potential of real threats'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, reading between the lines: 'lets do a dry run before we really dump something nasty there to blame on our target patsy group of choice''
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern economists, or people seeking to know about economics, should be directed to Genesis Chapter 47 '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Yes, there is something wrong with American culture.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'abandon -  coming from a prison colony.. :-P'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abunai grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Unless properly trained=military training, you aren't good enough with a gun for it to be a good weapon in the case of a close up grapple, not better than a knife.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'miliary training isnt that great for handguns, your average grunt gets less than a week long course. i know from experience on that.. civilian word is much better'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'same argument with a knife'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'did you know australia was only established by the british as a prison colony after americans revolted and so the britsh couldnt send more prisoners/indentutered servant/white slaves to america'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'yup, we had guns, we broke away from imperial rule... you still have the queen on your money.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'some of us like it that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it's a difference in mindset, its my belief that taking away personal freedoms never makes you safer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'and honestly, if everyone was _required_ to carry a gun, crime rates would go way down.. because you now _know_ that person can fight back, even if they choose not to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you can't take away my freedom to publish child porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there's no freedom to murder either'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's as much freedom here to shoot people as there is to publish child porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as much as you make for yourself, same as anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'ok getting back to the main point...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'americans think everyone deserves a gun and gun crime is high, australia thinks you need a damn good reason to have a gun, and gun crime is low.... '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'that's like saying.. in america the mauling by kangaroo's is lower than in australia'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numenor: 'I was gonna talk on here but u cannot reason with a fool'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'are you seriously gunna tell me that you don't think the freedom of availblity of kalishnavo's and mach10's has nothing to doo with the rampages we see all the time in america ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and the mindset that allows that allows the rampages by extension'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it has as much to do with it as the people that go on spree killings with knives because that's what is available to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it's not the cause, just the tool.. you can't blame a pan for a bad meal, just like you cna't blame a gun for a murder.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah... so i saw 2 guys on tv tonight do an armed robbery with 2 mactetes'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'all the patrons of the pub rushed them, unarmed'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'all on cctv'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'that doesn't mean much, i've seen plenty of stories of unarmed people stopping people with guns as well, it's again, the people, not the tools.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah i said that'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the intellectual opinion is that America is a culture of fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'how ever, one patron with a gun could have stopped the siutation with out risking as much personal injury.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fear leads to anger, anger leads to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'you missed hate...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'ruining my sith prayer...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol you don't know aussies... we prefer fists'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the risking personal injury thing there that paradoxically made it safer in that situation abandonhope mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening citizens'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US government cannot test biological agents on the public, except in pretty much any circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Howdy'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i object!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'throw the bum out!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when did the English standardise and unify the English language, before during or after the 17th century (checking whether Serinal is using  old-medieval-english dictionary or not)'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(before standardisation and unification, the english language was in a medieval mess of numerous dialects and anything-goes misspellings)'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'CNN reports... I just saw on a clip... FATHER & SON + OLD MAN SYRIAN SEX! As Punishment during interrigation! LOL!! I SURE AM GLAD I WAS MADE IN AMERICA!!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '34 south african miners protesting shot dead by police. 270 remaining african miners protesting to be prosecuted for their murder'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'sounds fair enough to me:P'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'those awful, lazy miners'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, prostrate black man not under arrest kicked in the neck and badly manhandled by police'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'any riots follow?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'must not of been in LA'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but the guy taking the video shouting "Don't worry, G, you'll have a payday coming up for this...."'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the way cops (and other law/psuedofakelaw enforcement people) act these days are a total disgrace to civilised society'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd do well to get rid of them all'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just these days? they been acting like that all over the years'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'rid of all cops? and have what a copless town lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see the return to county/city/state cops'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'injustice will always be injustice, want to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to have far far stricter codes of conduct for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'make sure you kill all mankind'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'all of us and injustice will be gone for good'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you get rabid liberals like Yuna think that cops should be allowed to break the law and get away with anything while everyone else gets jailed for thought crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you still angry at yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just disappointed'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well people do have different ways of thinking'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indicative of the sort of person whom, when it all goes to hell, will be fucking useless'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'will be boring if not...'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe.. but then again it has been going all to hell for years now'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rate of change is accelerating'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'no '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'information rate is accelerating'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is just that'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'now you can watch a war like a tv series'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well has been a lovely chat but need to work.. have a nice one'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hehe, ftw! groupon.com offers discounts on firearms classes that would open the door for students to be able to carry concealed in 33 sttes'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'how commonly do college campuses allow guns though?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by students i don't think it means college students, just people who take the class'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot mic at rnc catches republicans praising censorship of Ron Paul'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'like, of senator status?  Or just a random republican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'random republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's kinda obvious that the censorship of Dr Paul was conducted from a high, internal level right from the outset'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there you go, their masters had decreed who they wanted and whom they didn't want right at the start before any kind of vote took place'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no doubt.  I don't agree with all his policies, but Jon Stewart did a hilarious segment where the media was intentionally skipping straight over him in the polls'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the only one of your american politicians that i do agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Ryan is okayish, but Romney is a crook and Obama is a communist'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he's probably the most vocal anti-war, which is unusual for a Republican these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unusual for -any- mainline politician'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he gets some grief for essentially wanting to decommission our department of education though'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a sound plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd do the same here in the UK if i were in charge'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the biggest problem with both candidates, neither of them understands the premise of the republic, and both want all the controls and power in the hand of the central government'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's power structure was designed that way, US's was designed the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Obama were an honest socialist, maybe i'd distrust him less...'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'if politicians were honest....'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were once......'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to go back to... what... Eisenhower?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I dunno, there's a lot who'll claim we knew Pearl Harbor was coming'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'nah, I think they just seemed honest for the lack of  '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'in reality, I'm sure it was a calculated risk that they might consider an attack, and we chose poorly to ignore it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'media, web 2.0 and what not'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hell even the founding fathers had the cajones to write "all men were created equal", then go back home to their slave-run plantations'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I guess because they at that time considered slaves as property and not as ppl.'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the truth is, honest men have no use for government, and governments have no use for honest men'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government arises from the cycle, it's not a construct'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'is there such a thing as an honest man?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm sure we all have our idea, i for one have quite an exhaustive plan to sort out the UK where I live'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but one person does not a movement make'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Spread knowledge, like a virus in the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you start having really bad vibes the last few days, Dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'lol true that, tiger.  I'd like to hear from a government run with something different than a first-past-the-post republic/democracy though.  Really tired of our two-party system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not been paying attention'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'our founding fathers understood political parties to be the greatest threat to converting our democracy back into a form of oligarchy - but they couldn't figure out how to prevent it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coalitions in Europe don't work either, the problem isn't so much the method, but the size'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also the sense of unity'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Course they knew: the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's just that now, we've been disarmed physically and economically'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, Dosset, never had liberty here'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's not strictly true, we did from around 1215 til.... probably 1400ish'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and from 350ADish to around 800AD in places'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in prehistory'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'had to pay the price for that liberty though'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, freedom or security, either way you have to pay for it somehow'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We pay for it, and get nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The former is sacrificed under the pretense of the latter'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you want freedom then you have to be responsible'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well security is a bit of an illusion, what we get is a non-eventfulness that we'll call security'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you don't want to be responsible then you have to do what you're told'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't even have to do that'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'you know it's hard to take you serious'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They create bogeymen to scare us into tossing our freedoms away'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'cambodia talking about freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here captures the feeling pretty well'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'does seem a bit ironic'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet there it is...??'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'sorry I missed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway more to the issue is that if we actually understood what freedom was, instead of just repeating it like a slogan that has been brainwashed into us, we wouldn't be tossing our freedoms away'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'd be facing our bogeymen with a lot more courage'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'face the politicians then, since they're the bogeymen'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one cares about what freedom means in the Land of the Free, that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they say freedom but actually just want security'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They put out white noise to distract people so they won't care'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will when any last vestment of it is gone'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by which time it'll be too late'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't care that spy drones are watching them domestically, since they can just watch football, or Jersey Shore, or Batman'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's created to be that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'see, the people who founded this country actually used to live in a monarchy that was actually oppressive, so they knew what freedom meant, and when they found an opportunity to have some, they were grateful as fuck'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now we just want to be fat and rich'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yet they had foresight enough to know that a few generations would destroy the foundation, as humans always do'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, America is an adolescent country, what we need to do is collectively grow up'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are taught not to - hedonism is rewarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right...that's why they made the system like it is...so that no matter who rocks the boat, it will keep lumbering on at least'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why develop discipline, when I can get instant gratification?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As long as that dopamine steady-state is maintained, animals don't care what else happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '= America'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a beautiful answer to that question DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a magnificent, beautiful answer, and America has no idea what it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that lie and commit adulteration with words, calling socialists communists, are also the wannabe bogeymen to be stomped '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but other places in the world...they've known it for a long, long time'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'to eat a baby or not to eat a baby?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'are you hungry?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'depends if the baby is already dead'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'if it isn't then punch it first'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow kinda late to be joining that discussion...we're onto new subjects like smoking blunts'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler says Its TiMe FoR a FaTtY, bOoM bAtTy,BlUnT.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'blunts are gross'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'why ruing good pot with tabacoo'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'tobacco blows.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Duncanyoyo: 'I'd rather bong it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea well the mudd social didnt have a bowl command'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i somke my dank ass nugs outta bowls'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not that much tobacco'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'or a joint'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i like joints no paraphenalia'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hes got aids...but hes right'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Duncanyoyo: 'joint papers are made of tobacco a lot of times, unless you get the hemp ones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'joint papers are not made of tabacco'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'except roaches. I hate ditching those.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ah can't wait to smoke again'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ahh...me too...think ima smoke right now on my lunch break'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who's in here today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Nobody in here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'anybody seen Tiger or Tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'hell even chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Zaccarion.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'dear god done get anybody started on a  debate unless we're talking bout hookers or dead babies...maybe drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All sedated'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler pukes on his clothes.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'debate that amongst yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone cracking here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had some George Soros employed clacks spewing pro Obama nonsense onto BBC website today, was quite amusing to watch'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military drills in Mineapolis involving blackhawk helicopters are training to go against civilians'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't entirely subsided now, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'is cloning right or wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it...could cause trouble depending on what you clone?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'well cloning in general.., and Why would you Say so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That's a bit like asking 'is eating bread right or wrong?''
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because cloning plants actually comes in handy'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"are things right or wrong?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can help or hurt'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'basically right and wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ok then more specific.., cloning living organisms other than plants '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cloning is only wrong if your mom is cloned, because defective people should not be duplicated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, right versus wrong is a moral question.  It has no meaning without context.  E.g. eating bread is usually good for you, but it's not inherently 'right' to eat bread.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cloning living organisms is generally not needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Botting is wrong, but Jhav does it anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snuggles up to Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well conceivably if you could clone your internal organs, transplants would be much easier'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'what is this morality thing you speak of?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling eyes Jhav suspiciously.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ok this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.., new topic... creationism vs evolution.., discuss :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are both true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'and the reason for your statement is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the fact that there is still debate in the U.S. about that subject is disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Saric person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cambodia with ID ftw'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well it's like if I homebrew some wine'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Both wrong!  It's all caused by the FSM.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I set the conditions, but the yeast make the wine'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God made the universe, and then the universe made us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both true, depending on how you like to see it, now I agree with Saric, can we just leave that shit alone?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'but that's in contrast with what is written.., looking from a christian or jews respective'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well how many Christians really understand the Bible?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the Jews, now they know how to study the book'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they think creationism is at odds with darwin, then clearly they don't understand the bible'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, progressive Christians in this day and age don't really have a problem with science'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'HAHA yes they do... and a lot of christians understand the bible.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i mean the jews know how to study a book :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well if you think that God and science are incompatible then no, I would say you do not'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, you can say that God did it, and then still figure out how he did it, and get knowledge from that'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The existence of God is unsupported by science, much like psychics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'they're not, until we acquire knowledge/evidence which contradicts what our religion has taught us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the existence of pretty much anything isn't supported by science'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is looking for the wrong thing anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God isn't about what is in the universe, it's about what is in the person who is looking at the universe, so of course science will never find shit when it looks for God'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'science is simply a method of gaining knowledge, how can it ever look at the wrong thing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cambodia, you should use your super psychic powers to unravel the secrets of the universe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Thanks, I plan to :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is a method of testing a hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one that is testable'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i have no problem whatsoever with science.., i just don't believe in macro evolution.., where one type of animal is created from another'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'one animal being created from another is called reproduction'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'evolution is about species, not animals'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'evolution is not a belief... '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'sorry i meant like an ape from a lizard'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah it's pretty much been tested and proven that animals adapt genetically to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'LIES'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's just SATAN trying to mislead you!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no silly, the creationists think that evolution means that life isn't sacred'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually they don't adapt genetically to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually they...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they/we have genetic mutatations regardless of the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'that's called micro evolution... Tiny changes to adapt'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most of those mutations are either not noticeable or are quite bad...but occasionally some will give an advantage'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haven't we found a population of cats that are on the bleeding edge of being different species?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and God sorts it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they didn't change to adapt to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Applicable: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2703#comic'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they changed just cuz they had fucked up internals'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they glitched when reproducing or regeneting'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'regenerating*'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jhav's bot evolves and adapts to all imm attempts to detect it'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Therefore the trick to getting rid of Jhav is to force his bot to adapt so much that it becomes inoperable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how do you get rid of the descolada virus?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vixsin: 'You don't. The descolada virus gets rid of YOU. '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'major pharma corps are stopping most of the research into new antibiotics'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'yeah but a bunch of mutations that are an advantage to the animal won't change it into a new type of animal.., a cat would always be a cat... it might just be a cat with an advantageous mutation'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now where'd that "why evolution is stupid" video...'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Intelligent Design exists, explain the Platypus, the Continent of Australia and that fungus which infects ants, eat out their brains, control their husks so they climb to a height and then explodes out of the ants' skulls to spray the air with new spores to restart the cycle of horror.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the silly thing is that those anti-evolution Christions want to think that just because we came from monkeys we aren't sacred in God's eyes'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... God was drunk (platypus), God hates brown/black people (Australia) and God hates ants (fungus)?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's easy...God's fucking with you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'changes in species can only be seen throughout a long period of time... there is no point where parent and child are different species'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a monkey is still holy though, because God made it, so even by their rationale they are out of hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Animals don't have souls!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, since American politics uses Christianity as a tool, it all means something different'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, without any God-given sanctity, nothing has a soul'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, what exactly about Australia is anti-black-people?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now I think that whole creationism/evolution thing could be more about how much clout Christianity wants to have over school curriculum more than any real theological or scientific issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think he was making a racist joke, along the lines of being burnt to a crisp.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real joke is Africa, though.  Even God hates Africa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'australia's no more likely to burn to a crisp than any other hot/desert climate'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'God created a monkey and He created a human... He didn't create a human from a monkey... God took dust.., molded a human from it and blew his life air into it... that's basically what's written in genesis'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Australia is filled with animals, plants and non-living things that can and do kill humans. Unless God really hates black/brown people (you know, the Aboriginees), why would he make a continent designed to kill humans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Genesis is a highly figurative depiction though'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are animals, plants and non-living things that can and do kill humans on all 7 continents'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what if you had to talk to a bunch of uneducated desert nomads thousands of years ago, and tell them how evolution happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what would you tell them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'still quite curious what is australia-specific here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australia lost all it's rights to be good when it fell in behind the new world order'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Australia is full of animals, plants and even inanimate objects that can and do KILL humans" was too confusing for you, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also it's really fucking hot'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing's confusing about that...merely the part where australia is a contrast to anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every continent has that same claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'sorry i have no answer to that actually... but God created us according to his image... so are you saying God looks like a monkey?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe the implication was too unclear to the mentally retarded. Australia has a higher number and concentration and of shit that can and will kill you than all the other continents on Earth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it all has stupid names'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he does.  Ever notice how similar monkeys and humans look?  If the god claim were true, then either God himself is monkey-like or he had a mental block and used monkeys as the model.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like fuck it has a higher concentration of those things'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or maybe it's like music'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the closest thing allowing you to be able to state that it has a higher concentration is simply that humans were later to colonize it, and we've done more "taming" of the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a whole bunch of primitive examples out there, and a few that encompass the others'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The majority of Australia's land mass is desert or desert-like. The fuck is there to colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oz has resources, which is why China now owns most of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'topic boring... even though australia is dangerous the fact is, its still an extremely beautiful country :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And unless you just wage a genocidal campaign against the wildlife, you can't get rid off the killer animals, which includes everything from marine life to spiders.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'old people.  Old people apparently like hot, arid places like Arizona.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's funny, since it only has the 8th largest desert...'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not only there are a vastly larger number of lethal (to humans) species of animals in Australia than in the rest of the world, they are much larger in number per capita, per square mile, per square anything.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the UK should start shipping prisoners there again'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, tiger...china owns most of everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Desert-LIKE" was too confusing for you, Abelinc? I'm sorry, is my BASIC ENGLISH confusing to you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're still going to die horribly if the 5th-deadliest scorpion stabs your foot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah I think China is about to take the throne from us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, yuna, the part where your claims are fully retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're still having a hard time dealing with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stating untruths repeatedly, and while attacking the one refuting them, doesn't make them true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sorry that you studied your Australian geography under Sara Palin'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'too bad that happens literally all the time in politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Desert-LIKE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because politics is about appealing to the masses'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the tactics for that are different than for actually discovering truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the masses don't want truth...they wanna like what they hear...truth sucks'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'right. Unfortunately, the most important skill in a debate tends not to be logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's about exploiting the weaknesses of undisciplined and uneducated minds'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'mind control'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give us some examples of truths people don't want to hear'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '5 minutes on Google will tell you that Australia is the home of the larger collection of deadly animals.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's like I'm talking to Stephen Douglas over here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm SORRY if the school system has failed you, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name one continent that's more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the reason why the government conceals the truth is because people can't handle the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'global warming is a good example :) I'm sure that will spark some outrage'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they have no idea what really goes on and what is really necessary to run a country'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Antarctica'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even innocuous looking fish can be deadly to humans in Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'south america, africa, antarctica'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, all those piranha in australia, and all the blowfish'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Antarctica has a larger number and/or concentration of deadly animals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'smart move on they're part... hmmm.., do you guys think there exists life out there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you said animal, plant, and non-living dangers'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think north america is the most dangerous because of all those al-cia-da terrorists hiding in 4yr olds underpants and down teenage girls' tops'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By "non-living", I didn't mean fucking weather.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But fine, drop that then. Focus on the animals and plants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were claiming that the fauna, flora and climate were all worse than anything possible anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't mean climate. You misintepreted my statement. Weather has nothing to do with my argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you didn't mean "fucking weather", you would not have been working so hard on "DESERT-LIKE"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only like 8 species of pirahna are carnivorous, and of those only a few are able to handle humans such that the human dies.  There's in total something like 40 species of pirahna.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so quit fucking lying your ass off about what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lrn2debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU said that the only reason Australia had so many deadly animals was because humans were late in colonizing it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change will happen whatever we do, hans, just a shame it's being used as a club to beat us with'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "Desert-like" argument was to refute that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's largely desert-like, so what's there to colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'desert-like doesn't refute that in the least'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop ignoring the context.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the entire middle-east goes against your logic there'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Western Civilization has colonized the Middle East? I had no idea!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who said anything about western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc types debate -h western and doesn't see the reference
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'A for effort, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then what did you mean by "colonization"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That the Aboriginees were late in popping up there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, hard to grasp basic concepts there, and you're calling me retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What basic concept? Who are you saying "colonized" Australia if not Western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why on earth would it have been western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then WHO were you talking about?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'humans, yuna...humans...read the entire statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who do you allege colonized Australia if not Western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Aboriginees? Because they arrived in Australia FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you CLEARLY have no idea how deadly Australia's wildlife really is if you think piranhas and blowfish are the only things you really need to worry about in the Australian waters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia was discovered in 1968 by Sir John Charles Australia after a rowing trip up the Thames got out of hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't even tell stonefish from... stones (and rocks) because of their natural camouflage and their bites are deadly to humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you clearly have no idea how deadly wildlife is everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said no other continent has large concentrations or numbers of deadly animals. I'm just arguing that Australia has the most.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're arguing incorrectly'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hans, were you aware that Obama is a communist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'M not the one claiming humans were late to "colonize" Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course you're not...that's why you're wrong about everything you're trying to claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But hey, that's proper debating technique... I guess. You know, telling blatant lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I was aware.  It was pretty obvious by the time the primaries rolled around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you're a master debater, congratulations'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you also aware Romney is a crook, Hans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You still refuse to recant your statement. So... humans were late in colonizing Australia. HOW is that a proper argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You refuse to actually justify your arguments, you just throw them out there and then declare yourself winner.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would I recant a fully-correct statement?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone with a pore is a crook.  You'll need to be more specific.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read the entire statement. it's quite critical to the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then TELL me how that's a correct argument to use here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Humor me, repeat what came after.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what came after it was "and we've done more "taming" of the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's totally untrue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Summoner Yuna on his head.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you mean that poachers keep killing off African predators.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or whatever. How the FUCK is humans "taming" the rest of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the essence that we're killing off or limiting the number of deadly animals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do poachers (or non-poacher killers/hunters) kill off predators?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That seems to be your argument. Otherwise your "taming" argument makes absolutely no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since your claim to Australia was God's plan for it, the discussion is regarding the relative dangers of the continents as God put them'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god set the difficulty level up higher in oz'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and, quod erat demonstrandum :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, english only on public channels.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, that should've been "QED, bitches"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... you refuse to actually explain your arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claim Australia isn't the deadliest continent because humans have "tamed" the rest of the world more and REFUSE to elaborate on that, choosing to instead simply declare yourself winner.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's to elaborate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've stated that my claim was true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I didn't. Where did I state that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So once again you've resorted to blatant lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aww, and those are the best sort'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'holy shit you're still on Australia?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what lies? read your statements regarding poachers, predators, deadly animals and taming'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they got shipwrecked there, camobdia'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now you need me to tell you what you said, not just what I said?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where do I claim you were right? Quote me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I guess I'll leave it at Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe the implication was too unclear to the mentally retarded.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smells like burning to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So once again you choose to simply lie through your teeth and then refuse to elaborate on your arguments (lies) when the opponent demands you do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How proper of you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'needs more lube.  Friction is beyond safe limits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'looks like we're going to have to call a draw here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need a judges panel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or a stalemate or a this-thing-has-devolved-too-far-into-personal-attacks-to-be-productive-anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You're all wrong and I'm always right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "once again"...it's all you've done the entire conversation'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There, do I win the debate channel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Snookie, a Kardashian, and that funny blonde from Glee would make a great panel for debate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Why would you want it? *duck'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Jhav, you win Yuna, now take her away, please, there's a good chap'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, australia wildlife deaths: stonefish: One unconfirmed death by stonefish in 1915.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Australia's worst killers...about 20 people a year die from horse riding accidents....Around 10 people per year in Australia die from European Honey Bee stings after going into anaphylactic shock....And around 300 people a year drown.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many die from bbq or 'ute' accidents?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'How many die from champaign corks in France every year?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more civilians died in the USA in the last 10 years from televisions falling on them than from al-cia-da terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well we killed osama and saddam'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need to spend billions of dollars on security and have the TSA grope your children when you travel'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so like, that's it for al qaeda :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it's because we're fearful and paranoid'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you heard? they're on OUR side now, we're giving them missiles and allsorts'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, saddam had nothing to do with qaeda'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but censoring words on TV might save one life ever year, but the TV itself seems like a real killing machine.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I know'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was a slick little bait and switch that they pulled'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, we gave them missiles and allsorts 20 years ago, too...and trained bin laden at our best cia schools'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah we trained saddam, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, there are clanskills and regular skills to change alignment'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, that was close to the right channel'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you're daoine you can do it I believe'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'abortion: is it right or is It murder?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i wish alot of poor people had been aborted'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people suck'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'that's going to end up in a religous rant'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people love religion i know'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'jk im not totally evil....i just eat babies'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: '"Religon must exist, for the poor would revolt against the rich" Napoleon Bonapart[paraphrased]'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'HAHA which is true... mainly beggars suck though... but that still doesn't contribute to the argument of is it right or is it murder'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'abortion should be supported; with a population of 7,000,000,000 we need to get rid of people'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'so are you debating that because of overpopulation... which is bull btw... abortion is right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would argue that since humans have distorted the natural process in other areas why complain about one area?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'id Say that if abortion is right because of overpopulation... then we can just go and Napalm overpopulated areas... it comes down to the same basic principle of taking the life of the innocent... to kill a mockingbird'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure hides his face in his palm after seeing what Aldehyde did.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if I ever level, I am joining either Pyre or Gaardian'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i farted'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'see i told you!  I told you!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'no one in  the mood for debating this morning?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'debate chan is GAY'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'its for poop and fart socials only i thought...and talk about eating babies'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'channel is interesting'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'now THATS a debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Aldehyde in the face with a fish.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aldehyde kicks Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler in the head.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if you want to debate, send Chemosh a tell telling him some random crap'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should it still be legal to order drone (methedrone) from the UK if you live in the USA?  YES '
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but *sigh* the analog drug act is a bitch'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Buying illegal drugs should be equally illegal no matter how you do it. If you think abortions are the same as using napalm on people, then masturbation is mass murder.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should end the war on drugs, it was a failure'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except for the government backed big banks who made an absolute fortune from it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'HAHA yeah but sperm ain't babies that are already in they're developing stage.., sperm dies And reproduces.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Working against drug use is probably good. Drugs are bad. But putting kids in jail for personal use of drugs is stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And a fetus is not a person.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just decriminalise it, legalise and tax the less dangerous ones, it'll suck all the money out of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really is that easy'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'how can you Say that... a fetus has thoughts and a heartbeat so can they not be A person?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? that's news to me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortions are the bastion of stupid people'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A fetus has thoughts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I grant the heartbeat, but thoughts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be illegal is a limited number of cases before 8 weeks'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err legal'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It usually takes more than 8 weeks before you even know you are pregnant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rarely'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'yes... they respond to music and stimuli from the outside... sometimes it irritates them other times it calms them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dogs do that do. Should it be illegal to kill dogs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is illegal to kill dogs'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No it's not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err yes, it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're a vet'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe where you live. Not here.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well, that's uncivilised countries for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be surprised if you don't also have animal cruelty/welfare laws'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might not be applied in that way though'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Animal cruelty is illegal, of course. What does welfare have to do with this?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the context'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Animal welfare, not 'welfare check' welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'oic'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't see what it has to do with abortion, either'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'you must remember there's a difference between a fetus And an embrio'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't change the fact that abortions are mostly needed by stupid people'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In sweden it is legal to kill your dog. But you have to do it properly. '
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, how animals are treated is no indication of civilization. Most areas where humans live had other animals living there that were displaced, at best, killed outright is the animal was lucky, or pushed out so far from its environment that they starved to death.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is a government website with the allowed procedures for different types of animals.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, because they know best'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if you think government is so bad, why do you want them to regulate stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humans decide whether other animals live or die, it feels me with pride...'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fills*'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want them to regulate the minimum necessary, in areas that the people mandate'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not regulate everything, despite what the people say'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the  question is "who died and made humans king?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government are supposed to be servants of the people, not the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'give me a break, Tigernuts. Please, don't quote your second grade teacher. She was laying to you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if you want a society without laws, I am sure there are some places in africa like that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ooh ooh new question... is it animal cruelty to kill a dog when its extremely sick or is it animal cruelty to not do it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, those black people are really lawless.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer to have some laws in place.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it would be lawless?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ranrr :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is he a bit simple?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'In the deep, dark, lawless Africa :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because clearly that's the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm sure there are places in the southern US like that too. Better?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wouldn't want to wonder off the road and end up in some parts of Apalachia.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'there are laws in upper africa... the people just don't abide by them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they might confuse me with a revenuer :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bullshit, Aldehyde. Africa was civilized before most areas of the world. Ever heard of the Nubians?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Africa is the cradle of humanity, you should know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I didn't come from no stinkin monkey, I was created by $deity'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, whatever you say, Ranrr :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'nubians?? and still i Say... there are laws... people just don't abide by them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you of course will know where that comes from'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40. To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What's that, some old law?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Ranrr!!!  Aldehyde cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, Aldehyde. I'll grant you that. But why do you say that about Africa and not about the  rest of the world? There were 11000+ homicides in the US last year, somehow those people weren't minding the law. I won't even mention rapes and  aggravated assault.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean, you can go to a supermarket in the US and end up ventilated by an AK-47.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i do not believe in evolution STOP its a bunch of bullshit STOP'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you go to a closed supermarket'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if that is a sign of civilization, we are in deep shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Aldehyde on his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you keep talking about Africa like that I am going to have to question the "intelligent" part of intelligent design.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'africa was fine until empirism started'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'yeah but in the us most people follow rules... in northern africa the people do what they want mostly... regard of rules'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see USA's inflictions on the middle east for a modern analogy'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean Libya? Well, the US stirred that crap up :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'regardless even'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'haha :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what else is in North Africa, let's see... Algeria, Morocco, Tunesia... are they lawless?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'and the congo.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit rich to call them lawless'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excuse me The  Republic of the Congo is not in N. Africa...'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ever played farcry? that's almost how it is... not as bad but almost'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ok then central africa :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tribal africa/middle east were not lawless until we started interfering'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all those wild natives from Africa were just trying to throw the yoke  from the European colonizers, but hey, white is right :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Abyssinia (modern Ethiopia) are genetically arabs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'h thought this channel would be interesting and fun... :('
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the problem is that intelligent design tanks just about any party :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you guys still goin on about evolution? ffs :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not me :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goooood'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that's what Aldehyde wants to talk about :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'no '
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, what I would like to know what is your catalog number :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should stop them from spraying aluminium oxide, barium and strontium into the atmosphere with the pretext of tweaking the weather'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weather is being traded on the chicago mercantile exchange'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean, wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'what i want to know is: is abortion right or is it murder'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as murder in nature, so it is a matter of human definition. What ever makes your clock tick, so to speak.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murder is killing for purposes other than eating or defence, surely?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can define murder in nature, even if that species has no legal system to enforce it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is to note that in natural environments killing is only done for the purpose of feeding.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i agree with tiger on this one'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but humans are a bit abnormal, maybe you are right about not descending from monkeys, it seems more like intelligent design :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of us descended from monkeys'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not Ranrr :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'others still are'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'that's the only thing evolution is good for... humor'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what I would like to know is what difference does it make where we come from? I mean, the god-created believe so because it's an ego booster as well as way to absolve themselves, as to the others, I have to wonder. Personally, the topic doesn't hold much interest.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, I  have to say, if  we don't descend from monkeys, someone played a big joke on them because they look a lot like humans :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why people with darwin symbols on their car, or people who hate religious people on the grounds that the bible isn't a science text book annoy the hell out of me'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the bible is not a science textbook, in fact, it isn't a textbook at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'they are also the most intelligent animals apart from humans'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's a collection of fables and historical accounts that collectively can be used to teach social skills'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'its the word of God that was written down by his instruments'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and an important for instance'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if, like me, you are upset and/or worried about the way the economy is collapsing and banks are taking the piss'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read Genesis chapter 47'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I could certainly write a book and claim that I was instructed by a deity to write it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will quickly find that we're repeating history'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly it wasn't written by God, only an idiot would claim it was literally written by God'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, a lot of the "lessons" from the bible originated in India, Phoenicia, and Assiria.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and only an idiot would claim that religious people believe it was written by God'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, all over the place'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'well the difference is... before the bible was put together for the first time... other people didn't know about the other books and they wrote basically the same things'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, we're talking about the very earliest days of written language, for one thing (for the old testament)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole historical context is entirely missing from critical atheists'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would be true if the "books" of the bible were written in some particular order with the purpose of making it an encyclopedia.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stories were the way people who 'taught''
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'encyclopaedias didn't exist back then'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the concept didn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole god-fearing aspect probably existed to incentivise people to listen and act'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what we know as the bible today was edited in 322 AD, so we don't really know what it looked like before them. It is certainly not a book the Jews would use as part of the religion since it is not related to the Torah.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'the bible lost a lot of its meaning after it was edited back then... like a lot of the words were changed to mean one things where it had different meaning before'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bible research groups exist in most religious cultures for this reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and are quite often the target of animosity from elements of the religion they study'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as an anecdotal account of the life 3000 years ago it's a great book to investigate, as a foundation for a religion it leaves a lot to be desired.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam, particularly'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the Jewish religion was not founded on the bible anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're free to start a different one with a stronger foundation, Anaristos :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I rather not start any at all :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you call existentialism a religion :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor would I.... neither am I a practicing religious person'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet i'll always champion free expression of religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am all for expression. But I think the Crusades were a bit over the top, so was the Inquisition...'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those things happen when religious freedoms transgress on other people's freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like government is doing now'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(freedom of speech, privacy laws etc)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'agreeD'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'religious freedom is an oxymoron, no religion likes free thinkers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the individual, not the religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? what religion allows dissent?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dissent!=free thinking'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, but dissent is part of free thinking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's an oversimplistic analysis'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bible is full of dissenters'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bible is full of dissenters'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no it isn't. No religion allows a member to attack its basic principles, it will allow branching but not transplanting.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree, that's a modern take on it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you study the stories, you'll find all sorts of dissent, but it's used as a debating/teaching tool'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your teeth out'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you show me what religion allows people to say "you know what, you are full of shit".'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i recall plenty of references to that sort of thing in the new testament'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and original Islam was extremely welcoming of people of other religions'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the animosity to dissenters is a later thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the new testament is full of the chosen people ordered to kill those who were not chosen'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'old testament, i meant'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, but old testament, as we already mentioned, is a much wider scope of fables from a wider area, wider pool of cultures, huge temporal scope'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you haven't read the old testament carefully, then.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i will offer this challenge, go read genesis chapter 47 and compare that to what's happening now'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the old testament is not a book to base on a religion on, having read leviticus'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not long'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Old testament is god killing people. New testament is people killing people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a book in which people are killed does not make a seemly religion, imho'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, it was god who killed them, but the killing blow was delivered by humans.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the book are fables, stories, object lessons, Ohm, not an instruction book'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It makes for a good religion, since the purpose of religion is to control the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but it became an instruction book.... look at the laws based off the OT'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wish I could commit a crime and claim that I was carrying out the will of god. Wow, that would be a trip and a half :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"I hit him on the head and took his gold 'cos he's a dirty heretic! Why else would he be standing there in front of me with gold if it were not a gift from <deity name>?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he was a witch, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or maybe even an infidel, or a heathen!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fact that he's dead sans gold and I'm alive and with gold proves the justice of my cause!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'glad those days are over... mostly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'read the witches' hammer'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'math, history, English'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gt channel over there --->'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'the debate Chan blows.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't, it sucks!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Wabbit Season!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Tastes Great!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and fuck your little sister too (debate is curse-allowed)'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I didn't fucking know that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'using maps? never.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you mean, Lot gets drunk and his daughers do him, not vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes, yes, a lot of what God was then was filtered through the Jewish society.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Before giving the prohibition, nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'After the prohibition, yep'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'ive always wanted to know what human flesh tastes like'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they say like pork'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'cut of a piece from yourself and try'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'who is this they you speak of?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the same they who says all of those things that they say'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it tastes like soy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Soy is people!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'that would be madness! No one eats themselves! Sinful!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pizza the hutt did'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on a certain level, I would definitely disagree with you there, Grimmjo.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'soy tastes like everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'pizza the hut didn't look very tasty. And neither do I.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'stephen king actually wrote a short story about a guy stranded on a desert island with a medical bag and a lot of heroin, who cannibalized himself'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm yeah rumour has it manson ate himself'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you date a Yoga master and your horizons expand almost indefinitely.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i wouldnt lick my balls for lots of cash.. I do yoga and it doesnt change a thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm hans landa sounds so familiar..'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'wheres chemosh and the nuts guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada's new official (but un-noticed) national misappropriation of tax-payer welfare aid funding in africa is going on again'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.devp.org/en/pressroom/2012/comm2012-08-09'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here dual citizen or multinational corporation recognized as a canadian citizen, donate some money to this people who will handle it for you, including double from canadian taxes which can't be bothered on canada itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'following last years somalia haiti voodoo witchcraft'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fuckin crooks if they are what i think they are'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're the kind who mussolini should have gutted in the 1940's'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if he had, there would probably be more'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah you're right'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't be as well established though'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's just kind of tough not to have government corruption'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where was the united nations war on terror in africa when there was no wars in the 90's?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like not eating M&Ms if you work on the assembly line'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teach the africans how to feed themselves so we don't have to donate yearly tax-double charitys to it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh there are charities out there that do that'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they should be more successful by now, since they want international attention for every crises'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here we go again, this forum seems to have it in for Africa. I wonder if it has anything to do with the high pigmentation content of its people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one invented a machine for processing nuts, it can be made from concrete and simple molds for around $50 and help feed an entire village'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they would have fixed the problem at least more than they have since then'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'free up the labor force that usually processes them by hand, so that the villages can do more for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'elegant solutions like that are what I love'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe all that money goes to the people who need it for survival there'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in the least'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, there are a lot of warlords over there who love to steal the aid'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, Cambodia. So instead of concentrating on the fact that it is Africa, wonder why the government doles out the money at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the nature of the government who prioritizes football stadiums over livable habitat'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they care about somebody's habitat in africa?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'prioritizes?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if your priorities are 8000 miles away from your land that you represent, there's somethingw arfare about you'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it more, maybe 16000'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, you can build football stadiums and help Africa'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, pretty arrogant aren't they'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US, or any other nation that "contributes" to other countries, is not concerned with the welfare of the target population, unless, of course, there is a photo op in progress. Their only concern is to have the target population indebted to them so that they can command them to do as they please.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they turn their own country into unaffordable toxic waste whilet hey help africa'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with the majority of citizen against their decisions providing the taxes for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there is also the concern of destabilizing conditions over there...for us'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't afford a loaf of bread or rent, even find a job that pays the cost of living, but i don't mind the taxes that add to the cost being spent on africans'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not necessarily indebtedness but if you throw some money at them they might calm down enough to not cause a problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's most likely not even the case'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you  must view foreign policy in the light of how feudal systems operate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're being taken by evil mafia criminal KGB's and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yearly donations like homage to jehovah or something, using african poverty as an excuse'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess I can see how a government might pick the selfish solution to a foreign problem that happens also to help, and that's sort of generosity'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but yeah, bend over backwards out of sheer compassion, probably not'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'some people actually do care, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of people care, they're taught to care'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you want examples, the cold war was full of them. All the aid provided by both the US and the USSR war wrappers for control.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's natural to care for starving and sick people with no hope'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that prevents enough questions being asked about how the money is handled'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they demand there is no transparency or verifiability'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's just after we establish that money is actually going to charity, which i doubt most of it does'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happenst o independent reporters in africa?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there any?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the odds of them verifying this money being used as they claim?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like finding gulf of mexico oil spills in the arctic ocean'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you got some satellites that can see for you maybe'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, Africa is not on Mars, it is here on Earth, and it has just what everyone else has. You wonder if they have independent reporters, and I ask you where can you find independent reporters?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey, have you ever been to a third world country, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you dont really know what the people over there are like, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know what you read, and what you see on TV, but you don't know'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've actually been to South America, multiple times, and guess what'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they actually wear shoes there.'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of those poor people over there, they work hard and they are mostly pretty decent people'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my driving instructer goes on vacation to nicaragua often, says while the people are very poor communism is a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'same percentage of assholes and nice people as there is anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they laugh at jokes and have friends, and they are poor'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't mind going and verifying things for myself, but they don't let people do that for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they have about as much control over what their government does as we do'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know about that part of it, their normal members of society try to make the best out of the situation'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, you have to take that into account here'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but normal people aren't people who rule normal people and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the same as it is here, we have our government, they have theirs, we have normal people of about the same character dealing with it, and so do they'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only over there, where everyone is poor, being poor is just part of life...there's nothing shameful about it, it's not a big deal or a failure if you don't have money'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because no one really does'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just make the best of it and have fun with your friends, raise your kids'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and work'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the weather is different and they have fruits and vegetables that you've never seen in the US, the music is different, the culture is deep'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but other than that, it's a place where people live'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you kind of realize that a foreign country isnt that foreign when you go over there and see little kids running around and playing'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'buy fruits and vegetables from a really poor lady trying to get by, and smile as you thank her, and she smiles too'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people playing volleyball in the streets on Peruvian independence day, girls vs. guys'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's people, man, that is who lives in Africa, that is who lives in Nicaragua, that is who lives in every poor country in the world, people'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just saying, it's not an abstract situation that we throw the money at, and not an abstract situation that tries to make it work'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's you, if you didn't have the luxury to be born in a rich country where we didn't have to think about that shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Mr Berwanky is queueing up pumping another slab of invented currency into the american economy to lower people's living standards and buying power'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears people are waking up to agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA are planning a requirement than all new cars do minimum 54mpg by 2025'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats haps ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically means people in USA won't be able to buy regular cars after 2025'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except those crap 2-seater microboxes made by Smart that don't steer and kill their occupants in the event of a crash'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if they buy cars they'll be Chinese and forced to buy em becuase the war has the  dollar as the sword and the US is loosing that battle imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most cars are built in China now anyway, the US government handed GM $20bn dollars to move a bunch of productions facilities to China where there is lower wages and no green-fascist based green taxation'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'green china ? lol '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you move for a world green tax ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm guessing those 10s of thousands of americans who lost their job in the automotive industry can be glad that their sacrifice allows Al Gore to make more money to save polar bears that, despite having their population explode by 5x since the 50s, apparently can't swim'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i move for the world fucking off and leaving people/countries alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone stopped interfering in everyone else's business, it'd be a much safer place'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I move for a "humanity effectivemess tax" - if you are not effective you are shot ... '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that why the DHS has bought over a billion rounds of hollowpoints this year?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kill the dole bludgers !'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they are going to implement that policy and know >50% of americans are ineffective as human beings?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mate you are 50 years too late . they closed concentration camps 50 years too early .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been opening and preparing fema camps instead. Same shit, different century'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fema ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal emergency management authority'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'got ur daily hummanitarian serve today ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has absolutely no congressional or governmental accountability or oversight'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'army will use the move patriots, republicans, and ethnic/religious minorities to in the event of martial law with the view to re-educating/murdering them'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we waste humans who aspire to a western life ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're aware of the group "The Weathermen"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes - dad taught me- from the dylan son - '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'song '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2pMkkXIDrM'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'f-wits just blew emselves up or handed emselves in '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a gumby naturalist terrorism unit - even I could do better'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah they exposed a few feds - so what - they forgot the true enemy and are forgoten for it '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nice member of the european parliament wrote a letter to me via the local newspaper last week'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointing out that the laws coming in to monitor everything every citizen does on the internet for government busibodies to nose through is coming because it is EU regulation'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only can our sovereign government not implement it, not only did no democratically elected member put forward this bill, but it also means that data recorded is open to any government in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee, but they're all such good people'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is called Echelon an has been destroying patents and out bidding military quotes for years ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there anywhere left on the planet that someone can go to be free from these scumbags?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes - sucide '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a plac'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a place'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well now you know what I was committed fer '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Smoke weed every day'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'drug testing ? soz Stsr I don't buy it '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might make you feel better, but will only reinforce how screwed we are'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spree kill ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'highest score in Oz is 38 - I can spend 15 minutes and I garuntee 2-3k '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highest score of what'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spreekill total '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that some sort of rating?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no is the amount of humans killed duriing a single hissyfit  - in Oz is 38  - '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a measurement that highlights a lack of focus'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'relied on firearms - gumby - area of effect weapons work better '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to take up arms, please make sure you target the enemy and preferably as far away from me as possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'death - wanna work that into man hours labour ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I see more sone - positive and negative  - in terms of love '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but I see the greatest evil done in capatalism imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the name of capitalism maybe'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is "red capitalim"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't blame the world's ills on the free market'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two certainly aren't the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I grow sick I will kill as many humans as I can but while I am well I want to try  to find a place where humans do good work ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should look to expend your emotional energy in a more productive way'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'triple bottom line economics ? oldscholl but future ? - economic/environnemants/social ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the triple b ottom line outdated ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you lost me a while back'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we make thi ss work ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'read back ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'log ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't make a lot of sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - really trying  - where did it make sense ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you lost me the moment yous tarted talkinga bout shooting people'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok - lets take a step back from activly kulling. Is there a political theory that would rectify the Ills of society ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no guarantees, but the most likely candidate that would relieve it is libertarianism'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to return to the baseline of democracy, get the power back to the hands of the electorate and out of the hands of large power-hungry organisations'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok tout leberationism ?  - expand that idea ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the worlds current ills are due to abuses of power'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether political, financial, or military'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'advertisement works - idiots vote - big flaw ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're refering to elections, then the issue also is that the establishment changes the rules over time to ensure it's continuance'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so idiot audit and those that pass vote ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why political parties exist, and why there are two dominant ones'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't work'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy what is your solution then ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have one'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best i can do is try and wake people up out of their stupor as to the dangers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, you can take a horse to water, you can't make it drink'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well guess then ? ain't that what it is all about ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can take this horse to water n it wants an apple tini'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm operating in a system that doesn't want to be changed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will resist'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the suggestion that democracy is open, and ideas and speech is free is a complete fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system pushes back at every opportunity'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm operating in a system where a lot of soft targets are fucking my planet  up and I have the means to destroy them before I become fretalizer too .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pen is mightier than the sword'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The penis mightier!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you fire the first shot, you lose the moral highground and the argument with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as I said - advertisement works and idiots vote ... '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I am beyond that - I just want a few less planet suckers '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tell breeders to stop breeding'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm against that - there's a time and a place for taking up arms, and this isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - shoot em '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shitting out some kids is the most eco-unfriendly thing a person can do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my menoor is all like " every human life is an opportunity" but seriously - shoot em ? chances I'm right are pretty strong I'm killing a waste of oxygen '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some way id telling a waste of oxygen from another ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can't spell but I'lll pull the trigger '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should learn to spell before you go around pulling triggers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what do you suggest we kull Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kull?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm eye of the tiger'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my eyes are rubbish, but of none of your concern'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'but your nuts work well! Who wants to shoot lil children?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your government, apparently, but specifically Bill Gates'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'oh yeah when the people were striking and got shot.. Bill Gates owns the mob'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill gates wants people who refuse vaccines to be forcibly vaccinated'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with the fact he has so much money invested in big pharma'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'vaccines for?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything and everything, irrespective of the need, effectiveness, or safety'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I can see his point although I disagree with him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is it lies and insinuations time again? I must've missed the notice...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm his philantropy is a scheme'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, Bill Gates philanphropy, it's a bit like 'military intelligence''
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'department of defence'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its like invading a country.. Just that you become addicted to drugs *vaccines*'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask the 47,000 permanently paralysed kids in India what they think of Bill Gates' philanphropy'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so its a 'i came to fix the kitchen sink' but im really here to see what i can steal in your house type of thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i certainly won't be taking a flu shot this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'who takes flu shots anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they 'reccommend' them here for the elderly and certain risk groups'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people who live or work with small children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised, for sure.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one should balance the risks and costs of taking a fly shot with the risks and costs of getting the flu and possibly dying/getting hit by a car while stumbling across the road to the doctor'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'we dont get that here.. If you are old you dont need them.. You are basically dead already'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'wash your hands and make sure everything around you is clean'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to be trolling by stating that Bill Gates investment in Big Pharma is independent of Bill Gates position on vaccinations -- Tigernuts is not to be trusted'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scuse me?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... zade seems to be completely failing at reading, yet again'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said such a thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[02 Sep 12:28:16] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with the fact he has so much money invested in big pharma'"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'failing at detecting sarcasm, for sure.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, i forgot - you're AMerican, you don't understand the concept of sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think he's canuck iirc'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he has no excuse for being a retard'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'leave zade alone... '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at EspadaSix Grimmjo's remark.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be the fluoride in the water'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, not the fluoride again...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'cant help it if zade is, challenged okay? Zades are people too! Even if they come from the toilet'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense, Canada's a lovely place'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a debate, take things seriously at face value -- "sarcasm" is disallowed  -- what seems to be "sarcasm" may in fact be a seriously intended statement (especially if intended to deceive the voting mental retards in the audience)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it deceived you, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, I accept your apology, Zade, I'll make sure to highlight sarcasm in some way in the future to help your understanding'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope -- the interpretatio is that Tigernuts is not mentally competent in demagoguery'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'zade everyone has an opinion! Fortunately yours doesnt matter..'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Grimmjo, your opinion is irelevant'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its like 1916 all over again'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think I'm a demogogue?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom doesn't matter!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spend enough time looking at the stuff that people seriously claim, and your sarcasm detection tends to fail...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at the republicans!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'if it was why did you even bother pointing it out? Whats your point? Sharper than mine eh? Lets just be blunt mkay'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be claiming Obama isn't a closet communist'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'take it to barter chan'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i love you too Starling'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if I didn't know tigernuts, I'd have thought that was sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's not a closet communist...he's open about that }:>'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should have appended a tongue-in-cheek tag, sonshi, but unfortunately it does appear to be true'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you aren't sure, you can always say 'are you serious?!' :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you cereal?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are you serious?!?!!!11!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, that's what I'd say about akin :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'are you serious!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'GTFO!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'TITS'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vixsin perks up and stares intently at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stephen Colbert was acting like a ludicrous republican as a form of "sarcasm" -- and the republicans learned to put forth ludicrous platforms with a serious face'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling should make a John McEnroe social.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'My good sir/madam, you cannot possibly be serious! It simply isn't cricket!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'WTF!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the republican convention would've been amusing if I didn't know they were serious... Obama promised to keep this factory (closed since the bush years) open, and did he?! Nooo!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republican convention is a stage show for clowns mainly to perpetuate the ignorance contained within'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I ran a sub 3hr marathon! Okay, it was one marathon and it was over 4hrs, but hey, it's pretty close!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'your mama!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was stage managed, telepropmtered, and about as transparent and rigged as a WWE/WWF wrestling match'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Goibels (sic) said "repeat a lie often enough, and the lie becomes the truth"  -- corollary: "speak in sarcasm often enough, and the sarcasm is no longer sarcasm but a serious platform"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'wwe is kinda gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, I will balance the budget with my tax plan, which presumes that I will cut discretionary spending to an extent that implies eliminating much of our armed forces. Also, I will make sure our armed forces are strong, unlike that aethist commie muslim who wants to cut military spending'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'platformed your mama'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I give Ryan a lot of props for doing p90x. I tried it - it's fucking hard! :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is the next clown freak show, the Virginia one?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Yay! reduce military spending! Also, increase military spending!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least the democrats don't lie too blatantly...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't contradict themselves in the same paragraph too often'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't a certain someone promise the first thing he'd do would be to close Guantanemo bay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could have sworn he said he wouldn't get involved in illegal wars'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but he took a lot longer to contradict that, see...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though that might have been the NWO toerag in charge of the parliament that pretends to represent me'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would vote for Obama if I thought he could get the US's marijuana laws reformed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I.e. legalize and tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has been directly opposing such moves'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If he could pull that off, I'd vote for him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'The thing about Obama... when he goes against what he has said in the past, it's usually for a good reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Not closing GBay is practical'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'As much as it disgusts me'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and has been directly intefering in states that have changed laws at a state level, sending in federal troops/flunkies to overrule state law'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'huh? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least it was possible to do what he promised to do at the time he promised... we know that the republicans often have absolutely no intention of carrying through at the moment they said it... That's quite a difference in the quality of the lie.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both party's foreign policies are jokes'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'US foreign policy is doing okay right now, I would say'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite one thing to promise to do something and later decide it's a bad idea, and another to promise two contradictory things'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There will always be problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But massive fuckups? Right now? No.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arming jihadi's in Syria is salient foreign policy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Been doing that for over 50 years now'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same jihadi groups that they have circumvented all our freedoms because of?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Your freedom? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Please tell me more!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I didn't realize you lived in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i have to put up with a surveillance state because of that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Then move'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to where?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not allying yourself with revolutionary factions pretty much guarantees that they'd go ally with the jihadis...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Anywhere you can't log on to aardwolf :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there are likely supporters of Bill Gates that are likely to state seriously that "the wisdom of Bill Gates' opinions on vaccinations are unaffected by his financial position in Big Pharma" -- they may even quote Tigernuts were that on (say) Twitter ("Even opponents of Bill Gates agree that Bill Gates is fair and totally unbiased. Here is Tigernuts ..." )'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus attempts to explain away his thoughtless comments to Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We need a president who will get pot legalized.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good luck waiting for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had the chance at that, but the GOP and their paymasters rolled out every dirty trick in the book to prevent that chance'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good luck getting the potheads off their asses long enough to vote }:>'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wasn't I supposed to do something today?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'I occasionally use cannabis. I also vote in every election I can.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'whoa whoa whoa you started this debate without me WTF?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'legalize pot, tax the shit out of it, to get potheads to vote just suggest there might be free joints at the poll booths'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'stoners don't forget anything about free weed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck getting that past either party'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't really fit with their policy of controlling everything you do/say/think'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legalising it would certainly help save some money for the govt... given that with porous borders and crappy enforcement, they can't really get it under any sort of control'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'I guarantee you if it were an actual, real issue on the ballot, the combination of word-of-mouth and social media would generate an enormous turnout by pot smokers. But yeah, it will never be possible as long as it is federally a schedule 1 substance'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'given the great success of the war on drugs ... I think what we need is a war on education...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nixed is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it HAS been an actual, real issue on the ballot...lots of times'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'lol, we just need to make the weed dealers as violent as the bootleggers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good luck, you have an education sytem that teaches kids that they are scum, that criticising the president is illegal, and polar bears can't swim'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'wait they can?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'took a lot of pain before the state gave up and legalised alcohol... it's probably going to take quite a bit of time for this too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Hundreds of kilometers!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a polar bear is just a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i thought they were magnetic'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pot was only criminalised because of people in the cotton industry'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'It's amazing how well they swim. Actually their Latin name is Ursus Maritimus, which means "sea bear"!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, puritanism'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Polar bears are amazing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'you mean the wood pulp industry right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'puritanism. The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be having fun.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, pensioners have to freeze to death because of Al Gore'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'it's just pretty silly that alcohol is legal and pot isn't. and it's even more absurd that the US federal government truly keeps cannabis as a schedule 1 substance with "no medical value"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers at you intently. 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I would rather deal with potheads than drunkards. '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'with no medical value even though there is a handful with legitimate _federal_ prescriptions'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so would most police'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'no one ever got high and beat their wife'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'blaming the UK's poor decision making and cargo-cult economic policy on al gore?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, nixed, he just ate all her nachos.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'need a bit more context on gore's impact on the heating bills of UK pensioners'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is doing the same thing, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: '"Let me hit this bong and then go abuse my family" said no one ever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true, nixed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the background is fuel poverty is rapidly increasing in the UK because fuel prices are rocketting'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but definitely not as prevalent as alcohol for that reaction'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuel prices are rocketing because of taxation and subsidy policy predicated on pretty dodgy climate change policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all related to UN agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'claims about 'no one ever' are problematic'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't blame al gore that oil is a limited resource'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'It was a hyperbole to prove a point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in parts of America, power stations are being shut down for much the same reason, shoving up energy prices'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the UK didn't have tons of unemployed, they'd have no problem taking care of their own.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'but yeah, if you're getting high and acting abusive, you most likely have a fundamental psychological/personality issue probably related to addiction and/or anxiety and you need help regardless of substances you're taking'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, in america, people are being dispossed from the land they own because of zoning being put in under the guise of Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unfortunately, it ended up being an incorrect statement trying to be a hyperbole'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'almost all hyperbole is "incorrect" when taken strictly. that's the point of a hyperbole.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'What's Agenda 21?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, hyperbole is an exaggeration'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'would exaggerations not technically be "incorrect" when stating factual points?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"herbole" - looks in the dictionary -- been years since that word was seen'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qW2XJZdSA'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'idiots guide to agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"hyperbole"  but is there "hypobole"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Only an idiot thinks this is a problem :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, q?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'The idea that the UN could impose anything on the US that is against our interests is laughable'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN already controls your military'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Dude'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nixed scrunches up his face at Tigernuts cuz Nixed is totally baffled by Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Okay, I won't even go there :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'wheres my car?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Let's just say my family works for the 2nd largest military industrial corporation in the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And I know you have no idea what you're talking about :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yep, it's a fortune 50'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the jews?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Congress aprove US military action in Libya?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'the executive branch did'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... and it wasn't a war.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrYeAqjB-Y'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least, the US intervention wasn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'The US has been manipulating world markets for a hundred years to attain and maintain a dominant economic position'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There is no way they would give that up for any UN agenda'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'was it for the chicken wings?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the global banks have a different idea, Quad'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'The global banks are in our pocket'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'Quadrapus, I read an interestingt book a few years ago called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. heard of it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Nope, never'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, you don't have one anymore - china, russia and others are already starting oil trades and other commodity trades in non-US currency. The dominance of the petrodollar is at an end'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in the pocket of your upper class, but...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'From then on it'll be pterodollar, not petrodollar!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will be a long time before another currency will supplant the USD as the main reserve currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it will'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but your country is propped up on that fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not for the petrodollar, you'd be Greece right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'till people catch on '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the earliest, it would end if and when china manages to fully liberalise its monetary system...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'and spain'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'By liberalize, do you mean giving a private company the right to print money?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonsense, countries with independent central banks which print their own currency and are industrialised have no problem with debts of that size'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, sonshi, riiight'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'duh! With more debt you can print more money'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'meaning, fully drop convertibility barriers, transparency of the monetary system, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in Obama's next cabinet he'll be drafting in the former Iraqi Information Minster to be his press secretary in the white house'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"There is no debt, all talk of a large government debt is a conspiracy theory"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Ahem, let us recall that "minister" means "servant" in Latin.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a laugh in itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, according to Sonshi, if Greece is industrialised, Greece merely requires to be independent and print their own money, and no problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a large govt debt really doesn't cause panics until it gets much larger... it would cause social problems long before it causes budgetary problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the countryis (whatever I mentioned before)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Debt means nothing if you print your own money...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off to eat my government-approved salad, later'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'transparency? Id be so dead, many many years before that happens'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, forgot one last important point... issues debt in its own currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'otherwise, you're argentina'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you print drachma but owe pesos... and owe a lot... you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you print yen and owe yen, there's little problem, financially.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'that doesn't always hold true'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'you are screwing someone any time you print money. Your own citizens for example'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'or put your organs on the line, if you make debt then you lose a kidney'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'the valuation of the currency is dying, which means the REAL purchasing power of your populace is dying'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why I said that the social problems would get you long before the budgetary ones'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'yeah, but the social problems are pretty significant'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not until you get to a large multiple of gdp...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'You can't screw up your budget if you can just issue money to pay the debt, right? I feel like I'm missing something.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'you can't just "issue money to pay the debt". money creation through fractional reserve banking (how it works in the united states) carries inherent debt with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'social problems are either based on military power or monetary power.. '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'so every time you are creating money, you are creating additioanl debt'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at 1.5, you start to distort income equality... at 2, you would need to adjust taxation in a way that saps your economy's health... you get adverse distributionary effects'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or thereabouts'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Wait, what, so the whole monetary system in US is based on debt?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: '.. as all the money is issued.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'yes, the entire monetary system is based on debt. this isn't even a hidden fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'money issued is debt that will (almost definitely) never be repaid, in some sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): EspadaSix Grimmjo drops to the floor and hails Cizra!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Wait, what do you guys have then if you owe all your money?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and no one expects it to be repaid, since trading with cash is a lot easier than trading with sacks of potatoes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'And what's the point of calling it a debt if it's never repaid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just a technicality'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you invade a country for... Its oil?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actual printed currency doesn't give any interest, after all. Bonds/T-bills do (may) though... which is why that is a concern...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'bonds and t-bills currently offer like 0.0001% interest'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in some countries, interest has gone negative'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi did not yet explain the 1.5 or 2 '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're back to paying the govt to hold their money safely...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'but what do you do if you owe more than you have? Pay bit by bit?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ballpark figures...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nonsense figures'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): EspadaSix Grimmjo slaps Zade.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what if you owe more than you have? Keep in mind that a country's govt represent the country...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and debt more than what a country's govt has is a lot less than what a country has...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'pity you cant just say its okay you dont have to pay'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... default can be an option... but it's not one that is in a country's interest to take if the debt is in its own currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and default isn't even as bad as it sounds, if it's well managed. See argentina, iceland...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was hell, but they recovered/is recovering'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'default is a great way to devalue everyone's savings/property'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only those of the creditors!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nuh uhh'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if the yield is high, you should know that you're taking a risk'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you default on your debt, either your borrowing rates will skyrocket, or you simply won't be able to borrow'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'and just SMITE them of everything of value'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, countries only default when the situation is bad enough that the effects of increased rates are worth it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means suddenly you have no option but to either print more currency (hence causing hyperinflation) or seriously cut back. Not the crappy salami slicing austerity western europe is doing, but major retrenchment'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obviously you aren't going to default just whenever you feel like it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, just look at what iceland did...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sure, you default at a time designed to take as many other countries with you as possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'straight to hell'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US and Europe have already ruled out the Iceland approach by giving bankers huge amounts of cash for no return'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after raising taxes, mostly on the wealthy, aiding the poor, etc., they are on a recovery path'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US issues debt in USD. Which it prints.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iceland owned people stuff which weren't in icelandic crowns/kronur/whatever'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Grimmjo does not seem comprehend who owes who in regard to the monetary system ("just say you don't have to pay" -- simple, Grimmjo burns his currency and the government does not require to pay Grimmjo.)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the collapse of iceland's banks, or even if the whole country disappeared from existence, wouldn't have had much of an impact on the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least, it wouldn't have risked a chain reaction collapse that no one could control...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when more money is printed, the value of money is diluted -- real-estate and oher tangible assets increase in value relative to the diluted currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know, it's called inflation'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: '... and usually blamed on greedy capitalits driving up their prices'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[02 Sep 13:33:04] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'default is a great way to devalue everyone's savings/property'" -- how does "default" devalue "property"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you being deliberately stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please, that kind of crap ruins the mud'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "real-estate property" is a tangible asset, which if held onto retains value'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't true'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anytime they talk about money they should include a bernard shaw disclaimer quoting his amazing support of the side of world war 2 that isn't mentioned in history'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they = the government and the bank and stuff like that, name their affiliation with his plans and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the value of a piece of property is the amount that people are prepared to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and technology, justify your existance in a automated world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK government are pulling all kinds of strings at the moment to prevent a collapse in house prices'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Chemosh "rewriting" WW2 history'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, somebody else wrote it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should make a new biker gang called the gulags and see if anybody hates you like a nazi'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't mention the allied side of things being at least 4x worse than the nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'interesting, 4x worse'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the allied side of things is ruling the world today'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not counting 1940-1960, shady gulag operations'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did they make death camps in germany after the war was won for non-jews?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they didn't make death camps in germany at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they didn't make any in pop-history at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good ol' Hitler, at least he had nice people like the Bush and the Rockefeller family to bankroll his crazy experiments on ethnic minorities'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe God may do something, or maybe not -- the planet earth may be likened to a "petri dish" experiment -- what matters if the microbes called humans do a few bad things, if the ends justify the means and "alls well that ends well"  (flush?) '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard in a speech by hitler that his government never will persecute minorities, i wonder how he worked around that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's hard for fictional characters to affect the real world.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kgb leader of transnistria on the other hand, rules a nation that is anti-roma'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the kgb's a direct descendent of the gulag that didn't operate in germany from 1945 (or so)-1960'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or poland'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, tzar romanov was anti-semetic'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read, he was a world war 1 guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the polish deserved a lot of bad karma'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they got it, germany attacked themselves and pinned it on them as a pretext to invading'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sound familiar? USA's been doing much the same thing ever since'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there may be a karmic God after all'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(but when does Great Britain pay for the crimes committed) (or are there special-dispensations indulgences exemptions to karma)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most world war 2 veterans see that their forced to go to war to protect the freedom and stuff they were told they're protecting, to prevent future wars and things like that, that i heard from, see that their efforts resulted in nothing at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think we're enjoying ourselves right now, zade? every good-minded british citizen now suffers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of them veterans (if from europe, and on the allied side) either went and shot at germans or else were shot by their commanding officers, and their families possibly discharged in a death-camp'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems there are a lot of loopholes to karma'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that was their initiative for war, along with the campaign tactics used in the movie 'enemy at the gates''
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadians and americans had no choice about it, the military police were heavily armed and outnumbered their disorganization, pluse they were told hitler was invading the west'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and canada was a territory of britain, who hitler claimed wouldn't assist in diplomatic resolutions with the problems with poland'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you call that "suffering" -- some humans in disadvantaged locations bare likely to call that "suffering" "luxury"  -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look up Sasha, who's the boy playing both sides in the movie 'enemy at the gates', he's also a CIA mole installed by the KGB'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i ask sometimes who killed sasha, since they're supporting the monsterous nazi image'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'movie fiction is fiction'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'movie fiction is often based on fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but some of it obviously has an intelligent design behind it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Kill Bill" was based on fact ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like if you watch the movie rush hour 2, where did they come up with that saying, while the woman's being spied on changing in her apartment (the secret service or something), that the shah of iran was awarded a US currency printer by the happy oil corporations who now had more oil to drill?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest bourne film has a lot of stuff in it that is based on real CIA projects'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you watch "Robot Chicken"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments and corporations alike use movies to plant ideas, place products, and influence behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, south park and the simpsons are my only cartoons'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get a free preview on ToonE and ToonW with Bell satellite until September 30'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of idea was the government planting in the hollywood movie about buying weapons from egypt  to provide to afghanistan as they fought the russians, while the senator was snorting cocaine in las vegas?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a normal day in parliament'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'strange kind of idea to plant, at least part of it seems to have happened'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, stick to Documentaries, you don't seems to be able to handle "fiction"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the parts about snorting cocaine was fiction'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't hate on the russians much for selling ak-47's to the opponents of american interests when you consider that america did the same to them'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they use eachother to justify eachother'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised Russia and China aren't acting more against the American threat in Syria. They certainly have justification to'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada reports it's not concerned about counterfeit electronics from china being installed in military hardware in america and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counterfeit?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they don't have to'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the selling of ak-47s to terrorists is likely definitely a crime against humanities'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they're all conspiring to ruin the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, bbc reported on it, the parts weren't made by who they were supposed to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor old Humanities, History and Geography never get the breaks'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the highest levels of power have a plan that only the most paranoid can see, a plan to take what they can and kill the rest of us, causing total global annihilation'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Geography "gets" the teutonic breaks'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the rumour'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, so we're all screwed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd hurry up and get on with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one is listening and we're all going to die'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we got it already'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293 China fake parts 'used in US military equipment''
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right right like I said, all screwed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most military equipment is remotely controllable now, and that's all controlled by non-fake parts'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's as bad, chemosh, is there are often 'back doors' in the hardware'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't fight it, they are too powerful and everyone is too oblivious to band together against it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't worry, Quadrapus is on the inside, he'll stop them'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what with Yuna on the lookout for our liberties, what have you got to fear?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america import's it's lethal injection chemicals from europe, so it's questionable how much intelligence they actually have to make thos things for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm sure America as a whole can figure out how to make lethal injections'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, are you serious?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read it on bbc'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know what'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you need to stop reading the fucking news'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they could use one of their military diploma's for making it for cheaper than it costs to import it, but i guess that would be a waste of time'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'America imports boatloads of stuff that they know how to make...it's less work to buy something than it is to make it...America has been steadily getting out of the manufacturing business for the past 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and how is that smart?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how is it not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's coming back to bite them on the arse, since the only thing left for them to do is..... annex the countries that make things'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 70 years they will be too stupid to do anything, like a 3rd world country'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not every country needs to produce goods'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, it has nothing to do with knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have no clue what is going to happen to America in 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be an America in 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we know how, we have the technology. we don't WANT to bother ourselves with doing the work'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'countries require to provide jobs for the populace or to provide welfare'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, Tiger...the Brits have been saying that same line for 230 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been a Britain for 40 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(most 3rd world countries have bad education and poor work choices)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jobs != manufacturing jobs'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even in chile and nicaragua and some places in south america i read about people's bid for better education so they can comprehend things for themselves is rejected'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there have been Brits, however'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it looks like america and canada are working on dumbing down education as much as possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a lot more people over there live like they used to'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lW5hJw6-8'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the big city things are quite civilized actually'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if that's what happens in places with poor education, then what is the purpose of making people stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Lima has 8 million people and it's a real city'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people get educated over there and live in a city, just not everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc, not everybody is able to be a Information Technology worker -- and the USA may be farming that work out to cheaper countries'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Zade: not everything which is not manufacturing is IT'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot have a sustainable economy based on the service industry and public sector'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Chemosh: your personal definition of "making people stupid" doesn't matter much'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not personal, other people see it too, even a new york times editor'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'according to your vast macroeconomic experience?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe, dumbing people down is part of the agenda'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lW5hJw6-8 details it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the graaaand agenda to ruin the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the world, just the industrialised world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, and according to youtube rhetoric videos...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to make us all slaves to the incomprehensible machine run by the powerful people in suits'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelinc envisions several hundred million Americans doing what -- waiting in line at soup kitchens ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why believe you're in control?  if you were conquering people with ignorance and pride you would want them to think they're in control'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no soup kitchens, the american government likes to shut down independent groups that help others, or subvert them like the black panthers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think there's enough people who verify their beliefs, sort of like religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know right?  it's all a big lie meant to keep us placated'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Zade: we've had entire states with good unemployment rates without manufacturing for decades'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so they can ruin our lives'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we hear you already'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, "subvert them like the black panthers"...was that talking about the BPs as a group to help others?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know what else they love?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'paranoid conspiracy theorists'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would need to look at the the history of the BP to understand that, abe'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, YOU would need to look at the history of the BP to understand'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no U!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they were a thug gang from day one'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh right, now that you've said it, it's true'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did considerable humanitarian work, primarly in poor, black communities'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, like all gangs'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as long as you're on our side, we'll help you'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not humanitarian'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean, after the GBI cointelpro program?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I only formed MY gang because those OTHER gangs are evil...we gotsta protect our own, man'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'powerless structures like the royal canadian legion or the elks or lions clubs do charity work to better the lives of the poor, at no benefit to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'politicians and real-power structures do it to gain the support of a personality trait'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gain is better than the cost '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Free Breakfast for Children Program'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemodsh, do not use "sarcasm," that last statement about structured clubs looked like a serious fact -- (powerless?)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a socialist, i don't agree with much of their political program, but the fact remains, they went out into their communities to try and do good'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was no sarcasm in his statement'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since when are those structured clubs "powerless"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a political party if it isn't a gang?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tigernuts: so did the nazis :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesse Ventura even wrote a book about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're still not a humanitarian group'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the members might be powerful people, but as a group they spend their group-earnings entirely on giving - that i seen, that and whatever staff they require who aren't driving around in limousines'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said they were a humanitarian group, abe'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those kind of groups i don't mind'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a group that does humanitarian work != a humanitarian group'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humanitarian, terrorist, depending on the view -- what's the difference  '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so by your definition of "a group that helps others", you really mean every single group that has ever existed'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there has never, ever, ever, ever been a single group that diden't help others'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so as long as they give 1 loaf of bread to one person, they're all roses and sunshine and should be left alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty vapid statement, groups tend to help themselves or others like them'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is what the BPs did'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and if the group makes a million loafs of bread and gives 1 loaf to 1 person then they're different than the one who gives all the loaves to people'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the government saw them as a threat to the status quo and shut them down'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they were a threat'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so good, we're on the same page then'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for the ones that pay the moderately paid staff and rent on their building and utilities, which might come from their own pockets sometimes, membership fees'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the reason america has two and only two political parties of electable size'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a similar reason to the very small number of global banks in existance'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'america has two and only two parties of electable size because that's truly where the populace sits'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why in every major industry the number of major players is diminishing'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a different kind of group, different than going to church to get ahead in your social hierarchy too - but they're going extinct'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bull, abe, and you know it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if everyone liked the fringe parties, they wouldn't be fringe'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of people who vote for A to prevent B from getting in is huge'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the populace has consistently chosen to stick with the parties'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parties A and B even bank on it and target that in their advertising campaigns'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'leader of a nation should know what's best for it and it's people too, and be understood by it's citizens, who are represented by that person'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the parties have changed over the years, they haven't been the same A and B...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is being represented in the citizens, that they understand by their master?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the populace has ALWAYS polarized into A and B'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether they're the same A and B is largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ignorance = nothing'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it isn't irrelevant at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the parties know that people are dumb and will stick to their A and B paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'health care by obama seems alright, people can comprehend that'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can't go from one A and B to a DIFFERENT A and B without usurping an existing A or B'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're claims say that we cannot usurp A and B'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you can'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'C can't become A or B without being a valid, sustainable C'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you just change the platform of A or B. Labour party did it here very successfully in the 1990s'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not talking about one party changing its stance'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'too simplistic an explanation -- what explanation, there was no explanation; merely a "that is the reason that ..." -- there was a reason? -- did not see any reason there; merely empty verbosity'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not talking minor policy adjustments'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not talking about policy adjustments of any scale'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll never be a credible third party in either UK or US because of the way the system works, and the system will not change because the system resists change'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there have been credible third parties, tigernuts...any statement to the contrary is ignorant of history'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'our existing two parties were distant third parties in the past'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like watching this aljazeera documentary on honduras and federal aid to their government, whose police , according to the civilians interviewed, routinely murder and extort the civilians there'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you tell me when the last time a third party won the UK election?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the UK? nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're asking for the federal aid to honduras to be cancelled, and the budget cuts in american government never consider the honduran democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a war on drugs or something, are drug-cartels really more evil than the government that people say is funded by america, and does most of the crimes there?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'A more accurate statement in the U.S. is that: although third parties may gain / lose power, there will never be more than 2 major parties in the U.S. as long as we continue the first-past-the-post voting system'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1918'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i liked reading about this summit of the america's on bbc around january, where several south and central america nations were trying to rebuild the prohibition program and war on drugs, who stand to gain alot from narcotics being left illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even then, it wasn't really a 3rd party'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what changed after 1918?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if it wasn't party A or B, then it was a 3rd party'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they stand to gain alot more fortunes by peddling drugs to america illegally, and they want to fix the problem that is worth more than money to them, then why does america ignore them , when it costs them money?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rebranding'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you agree then, it was absolutely a third party'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i bet you can find some heroine or cocaine in just about any district in america, to justify the war on drugs - who sells it to people is usually pretty evil though isn't he?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was party B'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad party B (and the guy that lost on their ticket) disagree with you'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''federal budget cuts', they should really analyze some of these things more'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is shooting "blanks" -- the Chemoh queries are currently without pertinent answers -- hence "blanks"'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/leaders-rethink-the-war-on-drugs-at-summit-of-the-americas/article4100472/'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, a summit, then business as usual '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Is the US lending financial support to a police force and army linked to a campaign of extra-judicial killings?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my dad went to Honduras with the air force building cisterns & such...when he was there, he mentioned that the airbase at Soto Cano was the largest single purchaser of gatorade :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people in the video, from a nation where most reporters wind up dead if they report on anything, don't want american aid to their government, and they're apparently ordinary people and not drug dealers'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but somehow a us senator snorting some cocaine while buying weapons from egypt to provide to afghanistan in hollywood history is more important to prevent than the desires of people assisted by your wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'federal cuts and things like that, rollback programs'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they really don't include very much prioritization and explaination in their decisions'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could solve the US budget crisis in a heartbeat. Stop invading the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's romney campaigning about, some waste of money health care plan by obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one he wrote?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other stuff too i imagine, depending what the local voters want'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american voters think it's ok to have their politicians kiss israel's ass as a top priority, instead of kissing the dead woman's ass ran over by a military bulldozer violating UN boundaries '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was a warzone, there you go , aren't you satisfied'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, UN like sending their bullies to trounce on soverein nations'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's almost ironic, how that chinese tank stopped for the protestor in that one video'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those evil chinese people obviously know their PR better than israel'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taste The Alestorm: 'P-thief rules all the others drool!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade: then you don't understand what gives you defense...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Deaf preschooler told to change his signed name because it 'resembles a gun''
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'im afraid to use channels i dont want to be gagged!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you be gagged'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'ur 2 dum 2 uze chanlz d00d sry 2 say'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'cause im bad! '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've seen those signs at amusement parks that say you have to be taller than (insert character here) to ride'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'six?:p'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on debate you need to be as left wing as Yuna to use it'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'stop personal attacking me starling!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'cant help it if im dum okay!'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'aye, what about those signs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Give Way signs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make good decorations for your basement'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm he set me tells a few times but i didnt pay attention...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'they are made from cardboard right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tells are made from cardboard?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'basement? What basement? Why would you need a basement to put signs in? Basements are used to bury the bodies of those you killed is it not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the signs? '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern roadsign are made from plastics, older ones (now mostly nicked) are made from steel frame and aluminium sign ody'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economy is about to implode, which is why none of your currency has any form of valuable metal in them, unlike the past'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is going on right now across the developed worlds is akin to stretching an elastic band, wondering at which point it will break'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'like my attacks they implode! Thats true.. Cause once all the gold and platinum is mined... We have to wait for the sun to explode eh'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could probably find more rare heavy metals on asteroids'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'a cheaply made elastic band made of part rubber and part paper.. But then again everyone gets stretched lately..'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone's bottom gets stretched by the globalists' tax truncheon'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'thats true but thats more crystalized and such.. Its not that warm in space'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'geez i know right! Like whats totally fucked is eg.. You have 10bucks you get taxed 2.. You pass that 8bucks to your kid and they get taxed 2 aswel... No way out'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since when are gifts taxed -- which country is Grimmjo trolling from'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm sorry but wouldn't they get taxed 1.6 bucks?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'when everything had a value put on it and you had to pay a sum plus the value thats just like robbery but its just part of life'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'yeah Gregor 1.6 my bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'zade you arent getting it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Grimmjo is trolling - badly - not very convincingly'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'dont personal attack me zade:('
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely that South African kids are smart enough (or stupid enough) to fill out tax returns to pay tax on what the parents spend on them'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you still dont get it... Zade'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Grimmjo's imaginary kids may be an exception, attempting to file imaginary tax forms '
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is more advanced and more civilised than South Africa'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'thats true but atleast we dont get shat on by every american tv show.. Which is broadcasted around the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canadian parents get tax deductions for their children, and the children do not require to file taxes on their allowances'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'we might not be advanced.. We say we are SOUTH AFRICAN in every state.. We dont say we are canadian on the left and we are french on the right..'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'is that it? Seriously?'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't go to the store and have yourself get up and start playing at some time while you are away.'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'or can you?  LETS DEBATE IT'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything here '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'really finding it hard to appreciate that every life is special.. mentor said (again) today how the funneral bell tolls for us all because we have lost another opportunity? anyone got an opinion ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so is that for whom the bells toll?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Milton or mettallica - yep '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'funerals are for the living '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about Hemmingway?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'agree / disagree ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is a good start for Hemmingway appreciation ? I try and avoid works from ppl that sucide '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'generaly not a good well to drink from if you catch my meaning ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or is it ? perhaps to learn from mistakes ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, his books gave a good view of the world prior to WW II.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - mind racing again - practicing       mindfullness but only last seconds atm '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so man and the sea ? or something - soz amirican lit is not big in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb and the Really shocking spelling is a sideeffect - I swear !'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll google but you have a fav ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol are you getting " don't encourage her to stay here " tells or am I being paranoid ? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hemmingway wasn't a favorite of mine but A Farewell to Arms and Death in the Afternoon come to mind.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is sorta a must know for lit tho ? Hemmingway ? - ok I'll read that one so I've at least made an effort '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Death in the Afternoon is a historical nobel about the death of Spain's legendary bullfighter Manolete.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'novel*'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he died in the ring.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but back to the bell toling - can you find redeeming features in everone ? - the non diseny version please ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'feeds into Hemmingways death fixation ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can believe that there is always something redeemable in everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a soul ? are you Xtian ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway, it's my bedtime :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thanks for the input mate - dream well '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thanks :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i was watching this show on tv lastnight and this bloke like killed these women.. Chopped their heads off and buried them like outside the kitchen window where he can 'see them and they wont run away' some people are evil'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no ur wrong - Nicea  put paid to that !'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz wrong chat window - dammit fundie Xtians are a hard bunch  !'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Damn, I keep missing Tzadkiel I wanted to hear more thoughts out of that one today.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'plural? really?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah. I find it enjoyable.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll give you the abridgement: Government is evil, but nothing can be done about it. Global warming must be fake because it's inconvenient. '
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no more like, humanity is a disease'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lol. It's not so much the arguments that I like, but the way he/she types them out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government is evil, thats the abridged chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, Chemosh is more: I am insane'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'True.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just way way too paranoid'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did anyone else observe Empty Chair Day?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We need a tax on stupid. Where should the cutoff be?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you implement it'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'We should just stop with you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and doesn't one already exist, called "The Lottery"'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'taxes are not optional.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I saw some BLS statistics a couple of years ago, saying the poorest 10% spend about 10% of disposable income on lotteries or similar'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i spend 20% of my income on tax that goes directly to national healthcare that I either don't receive, or isn't effective'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably not close to accurate if that was the only bit of info you got from it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you'd be receiving it if you were sick though'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One could argue that the current economic/market system already functions as an intelligence-based tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US system, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our tax is collected before you get your hands on it'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'life pretty much functions that wasy'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'way'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'even before you consider the increasing correlation between iq and income'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd just like my country's tax system overhauled and hugely simplified'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our tax code is over 1000 pages long'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no wonder it's so heavy and why rich people can avoid it so easily'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We're still under 300 pages'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would like to see them ditch local property taxes and replace them with a locally-set income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who's going to cheer on obama in Carolina?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or should that be "cheer good riddance"'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm going to cheer ilee'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple have been granted a patent to disable phone cameras according to locations (to make it possible for government to shut down recording and comms during protests and political events)'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'If only Elise would have killed Jobs sooner.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the answer is: carry a seperate camera around with you not wireless and not made by Apple'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'No the answer is never buy from a totalitarian dictatorship in the first place. Unless it says made in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tricky, everything is made in China'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yeah but they don't make their stuff totalitarian unless we ask. Then they take some money off because hey, we're only helping them at that point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like UK is trying to pick a fight with Russia now, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'usually that's not a good idea I thought'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i don't think it is a good idea. It's the kind of idea that makes me want to not be living here'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't fancy glowing in the darjk'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, if you're going to be glowing in the dark, we all are'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah-ah, not me'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'going to be picking through the ruins in your power armor?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'll do the French thing of advancing towards the enemy by running in the opposite direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hard to run from global thermonuclear annihilation'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely to be global'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so one person is going to get away with nuking someone else then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely tacs'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia could probably just blockade us'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since we have resources to feed at best 20 mil, we'd soon capitulate'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"Veganism is a bourgeois eating disorder"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'is it cause they refuse to eat flesh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i wonder how vegans deal with oral sex..'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Same as non-vegans, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its still eating flesh'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Howdy howdy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right now, deep heat genesis has the most links from chemicals to life (or it did the last time I ran my way through Google Scholar on the topic) - nothing has yet disproven the primordial soup theory, the extraterrestrial seed theory (via nature (meteorite from a life-containing world) or sentient intent(aliens))'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'thanks Vaki :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Thank Rumour :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ooh, isn't it colourful on here'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'sentient intent? whoa, never heard of that one..'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever watched Ancient Aliens? Guy has some pretty whack hair :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well I guess my comment got swallowed by the switch to the debate channel. Maybe gregor will respond.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'responde to what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can always repost, nobodies gonna bite you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'btw, sentient aliens is basically an intelligent design theory.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I apparently don't type/read fast enough to in this conversation. But I have a problem with what Gregor is suggesting... essentially since we can be sure of nothing that sicence says we should toss it out altogether and abandon that quest. That seems like a very silly thing to do, at least to me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes, it is - but NOT a supernatural one'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'by human perspective, sentient aliens are supernatural'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And leaves the concept open to the origins of said first life'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No they aren't, what a dumb statement'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"sentient aliens" is not a theory, it's a hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Zaccarion, like I said on gossip. I am very into science - science has achieved some great things for the human race. What I don't like is when people try and pass off as fact things that don't conform to the scientific method.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Zac, I think that's not what he means... I think what he means is that science is no better or more "true" than religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'In effect I'm defending true science from the lagoon of wild and baseless theories'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So it's not scientific progress/experimentation you ahve a problem with, it's the logical system beneath it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The premise of the scientific method is that hypotheses should be testable and therefore falsifiable.  If you can't test an idea, how is it useful in explaining anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So what is your actual point? Are you a creationist, anti evolution, what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's claiming things are science when they aren't. Personally I love science.....real science that is.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm a scientist, that believes in the scientific method.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wild and baseless hypotheses, Gregor. Theories by definition are based on observation, they are not baseless.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And what seperates real science from the scientists that hypothosize the origins of life?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'evolution is one such example of a theory that does not conform to the scientific method, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'How does it not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that's very silly'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Evolution is supported by evidence; life changes through time.  It has been observed over the short term and the long term via the fossil record.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, essentially, without evolution you wipe out most of modern biology'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Observe-Hypothesise-Predict-Experiment'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'listen, I'm not arguing creation here, I'm just highlighting scientific theories that don't stand up to the true scientific method.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and I believe that modern biology is a science'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"true scientific method" -- this it the non-true Scotsman logical fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'gregor when you say you are a scientist....have you actually studied science'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You're not arguing theories though... you're arguing the logical stance of the Scientific Method that Francis Bacon gave us 400 years ago - that a hypothesis is valid until it is proven otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Can you explain to us how the theory of evolution doesn't conform to the scientific method?  Also, can you elaborate on what you mean by "the true scientific method" ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yes I have studied physics to reasonably high level. But I take special interest in biology involving the origins of life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And you, Gregor, are taking the stance that the burden of truth relies on the speaker.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To what level have you studied physics?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'interest?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'which is specifically NOT the scientific method.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some scientists (i.e. Darwin) observed the natural changes in life from prehistory to now.  They hypothesised that incremental changes were more likely than major ones, and that such changes would build species into new species.  They predicted a MULTITUDE of things in relation to this, such as the ever popular 'missing links', the concept of FUCKING DNA before anybody knew!, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I have also looked in depth at the fossil record'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"proofs" in Science are based on the initial prerequisite: "God was not involved" -- then plausible conjectures are analysed, and some of those become (plausible) theories, which when corroborated by physical evidence become "plausibly proven"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(even so, "proven" theories of Science is amenable to update change and revision -- Science may even plausibly "prove" seemingly contradicting theories  (the seeming duality of light))'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What parts of the fossil record have you examined?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: ' HE'S NOT ARGUING THEOLOGY/CREATIONISM/EVOLUTION!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do you even know what a brachiopod is?  Heh.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'I have an "interest" in lots of things...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Finally, they experimented via archaeology, biology, etc - and the end result is that the scientific community has almost universally accepted evolution - via the scientific method - as the most likely theory for the history of life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'alright this has stopped being a debate and started becoming a roast of gregor... move it back to gossip.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I can't really talk to this many people at once.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has Vaki n Star disagreed on something yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gregor, can you tell a brachiopod from a bivalve?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my original hypothasis stands - is all about connection ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'To that, I say fucking QED and go back to the very odd lab you seem to work at, because if you said espoused the things you are saying here in an academic environment, by FSM you'd better have tenure, or work in Texas perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Only about the date of the wedding.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'WOAH, Keep Texas outta this.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Texas who is putting Creationism in their biology textbooks?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Vakieh, I stand by what observation indicates. I have no problem in standing out from the crowd and say what I really see, rather than conforming to whatever is popular.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Not I.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So tell me, what do you see that so many haven't, and when do you collect your Nobel?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'If your argument is that I'm wrong because I'm not in the majority, I find that a pretty weak statement.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Vakieh, it's obviously an accumulation of large amounts of evidence. Clearly I'm not gonna deliver a one-liner that is going to change your mind.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I'm just not sure what aspect of evolutionary theory you think is not scientific not why you think this'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'we could talk about "transitional fossils" or "missing-links" for hours.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and that is just one topic'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gregor, you ignored all my questions, you seem unable to elaborate on what the "true" scientific method is.  If you can't even do that, how can you convincingly argue against a process that has been repeatedly validated by thousands of scientists across hundreds if not thousands of disciplines?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion stares at the bulge in Vakieh's pants. It must have come from evolutionist fervor.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Answer:  He can't, because at this point he's just trolling us.  Can you show me any evidence to falsify that hypothesis? ;)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the basic premise behind the scientific method is this - "Observe what happens: based on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true: test the theory by further observations and by experiments: and watch to see if the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled."'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I will cheer for joy the instant an anti-evolutionist produces a peer reviewed paper that I can follow to relevant sources, engage in wholesome debate with, who doesn't scream religious persecution when questioned, and actually brings points to the table that haven't been concusively disproven by the most basic of inquiries.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Vakieh, there are many such papers. I'm suprised you are so ill-informed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that is a very limited idea Gregor -- you cannot do experiments on historical events'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion is tickeld ping by a raging pool of amino acids, ionic charges, and super-heated seas.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vakieh, I am your one true god.  Bow down before me and give me all your gold and tps, or else I will shove your mom down your throat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'There is a stereotype that all scientists blindly accept the theory of evolution. Nothing is further from the truth. Many scientists harbour serious doubts about the validity of evolutionary theory, Myself included.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Can you elaborate on what doubts you harbor?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'It's true that acknowledging such doesn't bode well for your career however......because those in the minority must be wrong, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'If you like we can start with how the explosion of life in the cambrian era fits in with gradual development between species.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instead, the shit I find when I look or ask is all a bunch of fundie nutjobs who completely ignore evidence in favour of their theories, and cover their ears and sing hymns when you try to pin them down on exactly where their publishings directly contradict either themselves, or other papers, and ask them to justify it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gregor played the McCarthy ruse: "there are many such papers. I'm suprised you are so ill-informed" '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'One minute we have barely any life forms in the fossils record, and suddently in the Cambrian Era the Cambrian Explosion takes place and we are presented with full sized animals appearing in the record'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'starling I have observed you, I hyphothise you are real...you are my GOD'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'many of the so called transitional fossils shown in scientific journals have often been blown out of proportion and do not represent the true size of the fossil in conjuction with other transitional fossils'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which just happens to concide with drastically increased levels of oxygen in certain mineral deposits, etc?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'who knows, but it certainly doesn't concide with the theory of evolution. These things are supposed to evolve gradually, not appear simultaneously in the fossil record.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Define "gradually"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When your fossil samples are so completely sporadic, you really can't call it simultaneous...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Starling, that is difficult to define. Because there are many evolutionary theories which treat the word "graudally" in a different light.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion gradually strokes Starling's hair... oh sweet thing....
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'for example, the evolutionary theory of punctuated equilibrium'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On a scale similar to the end of the Cretacious to the current time, we saw a similar rise - not against evolution at all...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'their definition of gradually is one I'm completely unfamiliary with. I think the best translation of their version of "gradually" is instantaneously.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cretaceous*'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'BEEN WATCHING THIS AND THE ONLY COMMENT IS PERHAPS AN IMM WOULD MEDIATER AND WE COULD ACTUALLY DEBATE "AN" ISSUE RATHER THAN  THIS .. PLEASE ALL REVIEW THIS DEB LOG AND SERIOUSLY - ADULTS -- WHAT ARE YOU AFTER ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion jumps on GraySong Gregor's shoulders adding to the weight of his burden of proof... oh wait he doesn't seem to have anything but air in his burden...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you assumed that you had a consistent representative sample being fossilized at consistent and regular intervals...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Hey look, I'm not trying to prove anything. Was just pointing out that scientists don't know for certain how life originated.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I wasn't aware that needed proving. Apparently it does.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'not only that if you can't answer the question of the chicken and the egg try studying genetics, as opposed to evolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there is always a chicken and egg, either way'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'it's probably the easiest science to explain'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again with this 'certainty' - any good scientist is aware that the only thing anyone can ever know for 'certain' is that he will never know anything else for 'certain''
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'BRING  dRU BACK !'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, and most of the ones I know will say 'Gosh, we aren't sure, but this is the most consistent theory we have at the moment.' and more of them would probably say it if YEC's didn't jump on it saying 'SEE! SEE! THEY have DOUBTS! WE are the only ones without doubts!''
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Agreed there ;) But some things we can know a lot more certainly than others ;)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'no...there is a pre-cursor to the chicken...i'll call in the swassadfasdffjas...it mutates..then there is the egg which becomes the chicken'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'anyhow, I'm going to get back to work now. Any complaints, you know how to use personal board.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about we just call it the Raptor, like actually happened :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'acheopterix :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the evolution of the different varieties of dog is recent -- no fossil record likely exists for this variation'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'major changes in evolution variety may or may not leave fossil records'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'call it what you want....you will never find all the neccessary fossils to show all the steps from 1 species to the 5th species, that's why evolutionary biologists study biology and anatomy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zade = Nazi  .. deb over ... :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'sorry zade, missed your comment,,,,agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and quite honestly, every time a transitional fossil is found, there will be two more 'missing' transitional fossils.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is because from one species to the next, assuming 100 generations between (an insanely low estimate) you require 100 fossils, if not 200, to show 'all' the steps'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki / Star lov in over 15 min ago :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tzadkiel = rabid zionist .. debate not over .. :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, once a species is well-adapted to its location it will tend to remain the same, unless the location changes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rabid Zionist ! lol unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion giggles at Zionism. Then cries over what it has done to the world.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tzadkiel, you played the Nazi card, and an opposite of "Nazi" is "rabid Zionist"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rabid I'll cop to '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you'll see rapid change during periods of stress, then nothing-nothing-nothing-nothing once it's adapted and the niches are filled. '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'When did you play the Nazi card?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The really cool thing about evolution is that the rapid change is happening in very localised amounts all the time, but it only begins to spread through the species rapidly when stress on the 'average' member grants the crazy mutants some advantage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like a fucking big meteor hitting the earth :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'species stress points produce extremely  Darwinist ? results ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'W00T little rodent great great great great great great great great great great great great grandpa :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'no this awesome...I played aardwolf 13? years ago when I was studying honours in microbiology, don't kill the debate I'm loving reading it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'empty ecological niches ftw :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jeez Vaki I hope that was a trigger :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A lot of people get confused when you tell them dinosaurs really ruled the earth for a good 4 million years after the meteor..google that one if you will and be amazed :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't know about 'ruled' ... maybe ruled after the manner of the late roman empire :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dinosaurs "ruled" ?!? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ruled like people rule - top of the food chain baby'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'top of the food chain is Death'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'sharks...sharks'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tzad rules !'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but death talks in small caps.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatilism rules imo .. rl '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '...and we just took a right turn.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I want to like capitalism, because I see the strength behind it and the logical conclusions that lead to such a policy/doctrine, but it does leave a lot to be desired, especially when it comes to human rights, equality of wealth, and environmental issues.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But I don't see a whole lot of deductive proof for any of those three things, that makes me 100% say "HEY we need those!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'triple bottom line accounting ? view/ flaws? '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'unpack?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Quite honestly I think zealous attachment to any system of economics is likely to cause more harm than good.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pure capitalism works wonders - unfortunately, those who win once gain an advantage towards winning again, and thus the accretion begins (read: lobbyists fuck it all up)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'even the version we vote for ? "capatalism is $1 a vote imo ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But the question becomes Vakieh, is the system really fucked up at that point, or is it functioning exactly as it should?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"socialistic regulated free enterprise using capitalism " is superior to raw unregulated "capitalism"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um, I'm going to go with the fucked up option there'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think politicians should wear badges like NASCAR drivers so we can identify their corporate sponsors.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Zade, you're going to have to be more specific. Some of those terms are expressly contradictory.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But Vakieh, what makes it fucked up? I mean, capitalism is/was designed to let the market do what it will naturally... if it does that, then how could the conclusion of many years of bartering and selling and trading and brokering end up in a mistake?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'special interest groups fund parties - advertisment works and costs money - idiots vote .. flawed system imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That was never the goal of Capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'use of "cuss words" == disregard - the cretin is also unsure, and is resorting to cuss words to cover ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'My point is Capitalism HAS NO GOAL.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Capitalism is more "designed" to benefit from human selfishness and optimism'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'it is a system, not a purpose or destination.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The goal of Capitalism, as espoused by a number of it's early champions: To produce as much as possible, as cheaply as possible, paying the highest wages possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'humans ARE selfish!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points at Dispel Majic and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who said that? I've seen that quote...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The 'cheapness' referred to in the second point refers to NLK costs, not wages specifically'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Ford said the famous version of that'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oh and here, I submit this to you all from my archive of useful articles....    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/opinion/henry-ford-when-capitalists-cared.html?src=rechp'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though it was said in many ways all the way back to Adam Smith and beyond'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oh it's probably in that article then.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ford was a National Socialist using Capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'thank god I live in Australia and this crap doesn't apply .... oh wait '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Walt Disney was a National Socialist using Capitalism  :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I live in Burundi where I wish we had an economy to even have the argument about capitalism/socialism'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So you're not so bad off Flaxon :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'no....no I am not, I stand corrected '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pay politicians 1 million dollars a year, but take 100% of their assets upon entry to parliament, or Congress, or whatever it is where you live. They and their dependent families are not allowed to receive any income or assets given to them by others, from the moment they swear in to the moment they die.  Upon leaving their job, if they have left in good standing they retain their 1 million per year in perpetuity until death.  If they have left in bad standing (corruption, law breaking, etc) they recieve the lowest payable amount of social welfare the country provides an unemployed person.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Would never happen, but fuck me I'd like to see how much it would fix (though it isn't foolproof)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Vakieh, it takes politicians to implement your proposal :-D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Do you really want a system which discourages the most (economically) successful citizens from being politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because economic success in a captialist environment such as we have requires fucking the little guy repeatedly with a rusty knife.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not to mention nobody needs more than 1 million dollars a year, period.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'my father was a lawyer, he made a decent amount of money and was able to pay for my university: my partners dad self made, helped buy our first house.. Why should politicians not be able to help family?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wouldn't it be better to reform the election system and campaign finance?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'just because they are politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are horrid flaws to that suggested Draconian policy of [04 Sep 09:19:40] (Debate) by Vakieh '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The $1million can be given to whoever they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The dependents are disallowed from earning money/assets while they are dependent on the pollie - instant they are independent all bets are off for them, however'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are many roads to Hell'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would love to have contributed to tonights discussions but sadly unable  - dream well all and I'll see you all later '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TZ out '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'night tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Say.. (1) Only voters are allowed to give money to politicians/parties/pacs/etc, (2) Maximum total donations to all political purposes for one year = 10 hours of minimum wage, (3) Change to proportional elections to get away from two-party system'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is the only way I see where the inherent corruption in the system doesn't creep its way back in - that said, it would take either an benign alien invasion or someone developing unassailable super powers to actually think this could ever happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd really like to change to proportional representation, yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have proportional representation here (as our upper house) - it really never changes much'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if all voted perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of states where you have like 30-40% blue or 30-40% red but because of political boundaries they never get a voice'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore it'd increase the likelihood of anyone actually voting for a third party candidate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, there are corrupt implementations of proportional representation'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The real issue with it all is that the biggest voter heart-string tuggers, the wedge issues, are usually bipolar in nature - no room for a third option in Joe Blow Voter's limited mind'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There are corrupt implementations of everything.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic -- straw man argument ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'I was going to say something, but this debate is about American politics and I realise it is different to Australian '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you ought to check the definition of 'straw man argument''
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gay marriage or no gay marriage, guns or no guns, war or peace - to get an emotive response you have to go to extremes'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are advanced variations of the straw man argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vakieh.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'our last national election resulted in a stalemate between 2 parties with independents deciding the result'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Flaxon, that is because the extreme people were voting on was "we hate ALL the parties"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Xyliz, a straw man argument is when you construct an argument that you claim that your opponent made, in order to counter it. If you're claiming I did that, please provide specifics, as from what I see you said that proportional representation can be implemented in a corrupt manner, and I replied that anything else could as well. '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'I have been following (slightly) the american elections and seriously it the most confusing %^%& I have ever seen.....I mean how long does it take?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Heh, that's because everyone's voting is based on 'we hate that guy' not 'we actually want that guy''
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'actually I, myself, voted greens in last federal election'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'so maybe you are right vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I voted liberals - but I live in a 99% liberal vote seat, so I could have voted for HEMP for all the good it would do'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods. I'm currently living in illinois. Illinois is gonna vote obama, no matter what :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'I was in ruddies originally then moved to anti- gay marriage electorate and didn't like either 2 party '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, the "There are corrupt implementations of everything" was the "example-irrelevant" straw man constructed in an attempt to demolish the seriously stated "unfortunately, there are corrupt implementations of proportional representation" '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flaxon: 'whhhhaaaaa...tttt?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In the first place, that's not a straw man. A straw man is specifically based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position, which I don't believe I did. If I misrepresented your position, do elucidate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Secondly, I'm not claiming that proportional representation is free from corruption. I do, however, believe that it would be more representative than what we currently have, which is the two-party system having a stranglehold on politics.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I must run now, but I'm sure that everyone else is eagerly awaiting your next rejoinder in ten minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was definitely a 'straw man" - maybe not the "straw man" you are used to seeing, but nevertheless a "straw man" '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not me :-) I only hear of Zade like I hear of the wind - when people react to his passage'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Vakieh's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, sure, Xyliz, I guess that when you come up with your own definitions of things, you can claim anyone's using them :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade likely strongly criticised something that Vakieh believes and was unable to counter in a debate, so the "ostrich defence"
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Come let us reason together sayeth the Zade; even though you are totally wrong, perhaps you may yet learn something, and not be so wrong" -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you have it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hacker group Antisec has leaked what it says is evidence that the FVI is actively monitoring the communications of every American using an iPhone'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much can they be monitoring *everybody*?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That wasn't the claim.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats fvi?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The claim was they captured 12million'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dbi, sorry'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck, fbi'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly foreign acronyms'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the FBI monitors everyone.  Sometimes they even look back through the logs, but most of the time they don't.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, Apple are building facilities in their phone software to allow government to remotely disable recording on iphone devices'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have the great panty-wearer J. Edgar Hoover to thank for that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems there is specific collusion between designers and intelligence services'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because they do it doesn't make it either legal or right'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  America also violates the Geneva Convention on a daily basis and has done so ever since it was written.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, does that make it OK?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me again, you fucked up in the head are you? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess sometimes that stupid Geneva Convention just gets in the way of things that need to be done'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember, nobody really cares what happens to the doofuses who actually manage to succeed at something terrible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and, no, I'm not fucked up in the head.  I'm a democrat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'The FBI is accused of having names, phone numbers, and device IDs.  Lulzsec didn't find any evidence that they're "monitoring the communication" of Americans, as you claim.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would they go to the effort of collecting information and specifically NOT use it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, not on this particularly, though they do regularly monitor people'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though that's the NSA, not the FBI'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'yes, the FBI regularly monitors people... that's part of their job'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so yes, it does beg the question - why did they have this information?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they all do it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'they didn't find any evidence of mass monitoring all americans communications'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass theft of americans private information'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I'm not saying that they should have it.  I'm just saying that your claim had no basis beyond your own paranoia.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'and "begging the question"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm saying what the hacker group said'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, that's about the only use such info could be used for'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of the things the government does really well now is share information amongst itself.  Because the FBI is more of a "face" organization, they probably got tasked with the warehousing (ie, intelligence yellow pages) and anything worthwhile from those sources is stored in places much harder to access.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'you said the FBI "is actively monitoring the communications of every American using an iPhone", which you have no evidence for.  The fact that others are making the same claim doesn't help your argument.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, when was the last time you heard of the NSA or the DIA thoroughly screwing something up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell the news people, Iz'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I was just relaying it to you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh like news companies dont have their own agendas'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'privacy is an illusion, and it's just becoming worse and worse'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i can quote wikipedia, doesnt mean they are right...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were providing new ammunition for Chemosh.  You're in cahoots with the bots!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising with the kind of comments i'm seeing here tonight, Nissim'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'be sure to flip off the hidden cameras as you jack off in the shower then'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'the fact that the news organizations spews crap doesn't absolve your responsibility to not regurgitate it =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no such responsibility, Iz'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither do you have a responsibility to defend them'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'a credible news story will cite credible sources for their news'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'if jacking off in the shower is what you're worried with, you're fine, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'true I guess, but it would make you a better person'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell it would'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, Nissim.  The military's got satellites that can see clearly through walls.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean what is the government going to do with your private information'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'control you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes the whole TSA porn videos seem like crayon drawings.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Hans, still, they won't be looking for masturbators'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Cambodia, by feeding what you want to hear in order to get things their way'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what do you have that should be private that they can control you with?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'they are looking for specific things....not who is sleeping with who or how you jack off to justin beiber...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are looking for dissenters, probably'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'well, I guess if you think the system is ok as it is, and everything's fine, then cool'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but start disagreeing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'remember when people started to use cordless phones....man the conversations i picked up on the baby monitor...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that won't be their official purpose, no.  Doesn't mean they won't sweep over your house when you're doing it, because they had a piece of intelligence just credible enough to investigate.  And then there's the goof-offs--the folk who manage to get satellite time and spend it watching nude sunbathers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I mean, this shit isn't anywhere close to V yet, or 1984'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're at 1983 lite'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'forget about V or 1984, think about Brave New World'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'they're controlling us with what we like, not what we hate'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even Brave New World had a way out for anyone who wanted it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic . o O ( love's as good as soma )
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'really? and what was it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're way past 1984.  The only real limiting factor is that somehow we still have decent people in shadow positions of power.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, here's the link: http://pastebin.com/nfVT7b0Z'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there was the reservation, and also if you remember at the end, the guy who ran it sent our hero to a colony of artists and people who wanted to think for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'but what i like might not be what someone else likes...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. iceland, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'give these cowboy good-guys a good reason to look at you, specifically, there's nothing to stop them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Eureka, that's why they need personal info'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the only way you can get out of a prison made of what you like is to be disciplined about what you like'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'and what is me playing with a ball of yarn going to tell them :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or have the discernment to live for more than your pleasures'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'as long as you don't dissent... nothing'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, there are other countries that you can live in also'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think there a free countries out there not under NWO dominion?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'most other countries bow down to the USA, or want to be like them, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to coin an old old phrase: Name that tune'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'new world order'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they already can farm personal information.  If it's on the internet the government has no difficulties accessing it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Hans, right on... and the funniest thing is that we're giving it all to them, for free.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'we file taxes, birth records, death records....we willingly give info. its not like they have to go far to get it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're even making their collection efforts all the easier with smart devices that broadcast our info.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'one word comes to my mind with all this discussion: cattle'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'since the beginning of time'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia thanks Archimedes Eureka heartily.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thank you, that is what i was going to say'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I agree, but the problem is just WAY bigger now with Facebook and everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'so dont use it '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'one thing is for the gov. to have basic info about you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the problem is the same size now as it always was'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay for everything with cash these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the other is for them to have info about your every fucking step'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nothing else, prevents banks learning about my buying habits'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'also, Eureka, I don't, but I'm just a guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so they can...what'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have that, too.  How often do you think the average american goes without their cellphone (mandated GPS) or is in a spot where some camara doesn't pick them up?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how is the bank going to control you specifically with your buying habits?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks don't control me, but they sell that information on,a nd government will access that info too'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'seriously, the very fact that you guys are asking "so what if the gov. knows everything about me" is exactly the problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then they will do what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have even deployed smartsensors that can tell you're about to commit a crime based purely on facial-feature detection.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'they cant sell that info if you tell them not to'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'pfft.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I mean what exactly are they going to do to you, you personally, to control you, you personally?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you who is paying attention to all of this, what are they going to do to you with your information?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's difficult to say, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'amazing how much quicker crimes get solved though with all these cameras isnt'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as a rule such information is used to profile people'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whatever they want.  Piss off the wrong egotistical maniac button-jockey, and you might find yourself without a bank account.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh oh but it's going to be TERRIBLE!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'crimes. oh, my. there we go.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Cambodia, for ex.: they'll flag you as a terrorist based on stupid criteria'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok there'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least there's one concrete fear'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can prevent you getting work'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'laws are relative.. they can bend them and make you look like... whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can prevent you leaving or entering the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and credit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'how do they prevent someone from hiring you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, why are they going to do this to you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'make a phone call i would guess'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it is a job that requires a CRB or similar security check, Eureka'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some companies don't hire you if you have a record or some other bad bit of information on your background permanent file.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'drugs, for ex., are one important side of this discussion'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'don't forget good old blackmail - threaten to release embarassing stuff about your habits'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Huan, right on... blackmail'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'but there are other places that will. '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's what I said, flip off the camera as you jerk off in the shower'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, blackmail, also you can end up being pulled up/over for anything/everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'and if you are dumb enough to do something to get you on there...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'everyone has a weak point... make the gov. your enemy, and they'll find yours (rather easily)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'the govt doesnt have time....'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, we were all led to believe that we were entitled to a certain level of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well they've been able to go after you if you make yourself an enemy of them for a really long time now'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that people are being duped and lied to makes me angry'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'in fact, tbh, big companies are quickly becoming a threat just as big as the gov.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government == big corporations'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'of course they are. who do you think pays the politicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'yeah its all jus tabout the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a nice delusion to have.  It makes all the sheeple who worry about stuff like that worry less.  Less worry means the sheeple either don't pay attention or care less about what's happening around them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so wait, do you want to have the ability to take down the government?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'yeah just you know... be quiet and go on about your business'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'm somewhat sick of having all my earnings wittled away by tax, having my aspiration wrecked by some greedy control-freak cunt'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'definitely would'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then we could be like Central America'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all I ever wanted was for them to piss off and leave me alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm pretty sure nearly everyone else who is critical of the government feels the same way'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Huan is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unfortunately, you don't get to be left alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, you can, but you have to go a really long ways to be left alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'funny thing, that.  I'm sure the terrorists felt the same way, too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's something worth fighting for, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the fact that the system is pretty f***ing unfair to most people is one thing to be pissed about'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can say fucking on this channel.  No need to self-censor.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'oh ok :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'destroy a man's aspirations, then he'll either give up or he'll aspire to have aspirations'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'everything is connected.. Eureka talked about crimes, if we had a better distribution of wealth, we'd have less crimes, for ex.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's one for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really, really doubt that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'crime happened with or without wealth'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but no, we want 1% of ppl to hold 99% of the money'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are cussing, you don't believe what you are saying, and or you are wrong in your cussed opinions'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we had fewer laws, there'd be less crime'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh, what evidence do you have for that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'no evidence, I'm just saying (you can disagree if you want)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'it just seems logical to me that you don't have to steal if you have enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why buy, though, when you can get for free?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poverty is a big driver of crime, yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there are other reasons to steal'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'really? like, being born evil?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lack of money deters breeding'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK it doesn't, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'babies are a cash crop'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'for fun, to see how far you can go without being caught'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'crimes of passion.  The need to keep certain bits of information secret.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'oh no it doesnt... believe me, its the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with more money, there be an even bigger crop'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: '(about breeding)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it seems logical, but there's always wanting more.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the wanting more is part of the same system that gives 99% to 1%'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you think that by 'fixing' that you'll fix the inherent problem of greed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and with more breeding, there is less money to go around'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wish we lived in as rosy a world as you do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'look, i'm not talking about communism ok? im talking about being fair, you know, just enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and with more breeding, the ecology is likely to collapse sooner'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'anyone can commit a crime, but it's well documented that poorer people commit crimes more often http://inequality.princeton.edu/papers/western-crime.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what Nissim is talking about is preventing exploitation, monopolism and corruption'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, look at all the rich people who get in trouble for embezzling from corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like how the NSA-backed Google corporation can get away with paying under 2.5% of profits in corporation tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet joe blogs and his small business employing 4 pays 15%+'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and with more breeding, there is the requirement for more breeding-room -- Heil!  (and wars result, which reduces population)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at how pensioners can be kicked out of their houses by banks who claim they've defaulted when they paid off their mortgage 10 years ago, and yet investment banks can be given $100bns of tax payers money because "they made a bad bet"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of these are to do with wealth redistribution'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'no?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the normal sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'look, all I'm saying is: it's easy to think everything's fine when you're on the good side'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but some people work their asses off and don't get shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, Nissim, that's the same as saying (going back to the snooping thing) "if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I can't say I wouldn't commit a crime if I was in that situation'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wealth-redistribution fails when some ethnic groups and religions deliberately overbreed'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'well... I can't disagree with that, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which religious and ethnic groups are overbreeding in the UK?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'birth control is very important'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I'd say, for the future of mankind (without getting into the matter of who breeds more)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I shiver to say it, but I agree with the NWO in one respect - the planet does need to reduce it's population by 75% to be sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only difference is I think it should be done through education, not through gassing people'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'that's one step, but it would still be shit if we keep giving 99% to 1%'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The average negro is a racist bigot who thinks he's owed something and would rather not have that debt settled.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'wow.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'oh shit...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Hans, where are you from? just curious'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'California.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'right, well... I srsly wouldnt want to get in that subject ("black people are the real racists")'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is plenty to hide: "sex", "intellectual property development", "financial planning, that if known by others may be sabotaged", "private opinions"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Larry Pinkney had me in stitches when was doing his impression of a fat middle aged american baptist clapping and shrieking "I'm gonna vote me Obama cos he black!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Well, you already got into that subject, and you're utterly wrong (making a huge generalization about millions of people)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have to admit, in 2008 Democrats played the race card, and americans, having hated George Bush, took it like suckers'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Saric, please read back... it wasn't me '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'as in oops'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'think about it, though.  How many proud black men do you see saying that everything's moreorless alright (or at least small-potatoes enough that activism in and of itself is just plain wrong) now, even though shit was really back back in, say, their father's/grandfather's day?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully tst'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe I read different black guys than you do, I've seen a fair few say that :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'say what, majic?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'srlsy, if you're born black, you're already born with a lot of shit on your back to start with'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what hans said'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'which makes whatever you want to do in life ten times harder than any white'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"ism" is devisive, and not in the way it used to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'don't come to me with "everyone's got the same chances to start wth", that's ridiculous'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'big companies are more like to produce technology and mass-produce goods -- the overpaid guzzling beer-drinker sports-fanatic internet-addicted sexperverts do not produce anything oher than more garbage'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, in any case, I'm sure that if the government is planning to behaviorally control the populace that they have figured your paranoia into the equation'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well no. i mean, one of our professors has talked about going to observe in an inner-city classroom in chicago and seeing an instructor teaching the students that to add fractions, you added up the numerators and the denominators.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ethnicity is far less the driver of that, Nissim, financial background is a bigger driver'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Perhaps it's because things are not "all right" that not many say that it is? Seriously, racism is everywhere. Studies have shown people with black names (and no other differences) get less jobs. Black marijuana users go to jail, on average, 3  times as frequently as whites, despite using at the same rate (proportionately). Racists still exist. The world has not "solved racism"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when he said afterwards 'you do realize that's not how you add fractions' -- she said 'oh i know the other way too but the children find this way so much easier'\'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA hasn't, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's messed up majic'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now if you had a teacher like her a few years in a row'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, USA is obsessed with locking people up for practically no reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how well educated and prepared for employment would you be? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially if your parents weren't any better educated and couldn't afford to send you to kumon :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Tiger, financial background and ethnicity are inherently connected for historical reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i mean, that's more of a financial background thing, but ... yes what nissim said'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand and appreciate that, Nissim'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's more a correlation than causation at that point'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not caused by your actual race if that's what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I can't see the difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a subtle difference i grant you'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually being black doesn't make you dumber'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'of course not'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the way the world treats you if you are black often does'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being black doesn't cause it, but it correlates'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'did I say that? sorry but thats not what I meant'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's the difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, i'm orf to bedfordshire, Majic can add fractions in your general direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'it doesnt matter, the thing is that, for historical reasons, if you're black you're born in a hard world'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'look up "stereotype threat" on wikipedia... it's very interesting on how stereotypes can often become self-fulfilling prophecies'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can.  My old man is an old-fashioned racist, and the poor black people I am surrounded by act exactly the same way.  I even know this one guy who I could just throw human-skin-colored paint on like a bad episode of that Nickolodeon slime thing and bark out "Dad!"  Looks just like him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'not 'because' you're black, but it's all just the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'sooooo how bout that weed'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'washington's legalizing it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm moving back there once my lease is up'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'what you mean is that a rich black person is not treated bad?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'nice they need to'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some of you guys are clueless as to what is actually going on, (and i'm not going to reeducate you because you are sexperverts)) (besides, you'd reject the truth) - another xchan'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well they are voting on doing it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'it'll make them a shit load of money'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'if they sell it too xD'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe, we'll probably all just grow it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's already legal in Oregon, I think.  In fact, if I recall, I can openly discriminate against you there simply because you don't have a card that says you are allowed to smoke weed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'that's what I call evolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for sure there are some deep wizards living in the west coast'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'LOL i cant wait to blow some with osama, oops obama xD'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pot-head drug-addicts are usually not worth hiring'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'riiight'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'i smoke it on the weekends but i can stop, not really addicted to it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pot-head drug-addicts stink reek and are annoying'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there's a bit more honesty'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'smokefree really means it's okay to smoke weed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, potheads don't smell as bad as nicotine smokers'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a fact, tobacco smoke permeates your shit much more than pot smoke does'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'is it true that weeds good for you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not that bad really'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'there was a time lapse study that showed that children under 18 suffered an IQ hit from habitual pot smoking, so there should be an age limit at the least'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it gives you wings.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there's an age limit on alcohol don't you know'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"good for you" is highly suspicious...in general, the answer is an easy "no"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pot-head drug-addicts use nicotine-tobacco as a carrier'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'oh man what did i just log into'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '21 seems reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'well i do not drink nor do i party i usually go to school, play aard, and A.V.A'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a recap, Nixed, we started out on privacy, got shot into racism, and are hiking back home through the weed woods.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'don't start a forest fire then :-p'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '21 always seems reasonable to anyone over 21 }:>'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'is true.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as far as recreational substances go, weed is pretty innocuous, not to mention that the plant itself does actually have many good uses'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not going to cure everything of course'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'debate cancer?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if children are adversly affected, then adults also are affected adversely (by marijuana)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it can feed you, clothe you, and get you high at the very least'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's never had anything to do with cancer'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, it's pretty awful being stuck in miles of pot knowing you can't have any because slash-n-burn is ecologically terrible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's ancillary, it helps the stuff fighting cancer not bother you as much'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'alcohol and tobacco adversely affects adults FAR, FAR worse than marijuana use though, and it's legal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'well thats what the docs saay'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's been shown to help sometimes with the side effects of treating cancer'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'doesn't cure cancer'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the docs never say it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it helps with appetite'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'ask my doc lol they say that 24/7'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aw, man, you saying that weed makes you fat, too?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it stops the queeziness and helps appetite from someone on chemo'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(excessive) marijuana (thc) ingestiuon changes the personality adversely and is not innocuous'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the chemo is fighting the cancer, the weed is just making the chemo tolerable'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'excessive SUGAR ingestion changes the personality adversely and is not innocuous'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'tottaly off subject, but i wanna see the new resident evil movie'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'excessive water consumption kills you, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'excessive videogame consumption is not innocuous'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can die just by breathing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whatever, Zade hates "pot-head drug-addicts" and that's the way it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah and if you improperly practice meditation you can fuck your shit up too'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'dihydrogen monoxide has been identified as a primary component in acid rain'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'i play games alot mainly computer, CoD is overrated bull sh*t'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if they are on "chemo" with adverse side-effects, maybe remove the "chemo" and let nature euthanise tham as nature intended'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: '.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'weed eh its okay its just to "in style"'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what are you, a Christian Scientist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I love how you would talk shit about anyone who says anything about God, but you'll say nature and espouse the same beliefs and now you are logical'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good lord, Cambodia, he didn't say he wanted to eat a pothead!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I just had to say something, that statement was hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'answer this..... how can a virgin have a kid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if a Christian Scientist declined cancer treatment to put it in the hands of God, you'd call them crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, US healthcare would be hella lot cheaper if we'd just let nature take over'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'call it nature, you're doing the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she can't.  Can you spot what Mary's lie was?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '..... I prefer living over 30 years?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'Mary had a little lie'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get rid of all the doctors & hospitals...problem solved :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'Man, this whole discussion has made me really want to smoke pot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'I think I'm going to have to bust out the vaporizer later'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't do it, man!  It's a big trap designed to put you forever under the thumb of Big Pot!'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'well i think there isnt anything to believe in besides overrated religions that hate homos and shoves the bible up every pnes ass'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'everybody*'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's a lot more actually'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'science hates homos too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'hehehe... big pot... unfornately it's actually not funny at all :( "big pot" could mean the drug gangs in Mexico which profit immensely from shipping pot to the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'any other religious construct you like, or whatever you see of life yourself'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'yeah, which is why I only buy my pot locally! (sarcasm)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they aren't really shipping...why send your product over the border when you can just grow it right there in their own national parks?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'because there is immense demand for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'i just live life knowing that god existence was made for protection'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's more about the relationship you have with what you don't know, honestly'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe there is a heterosexual God, since most major religions dislike homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God swings both ways'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'well, now i know gods bisexual xDD'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'everything we've discovered in the entire universe, living or no, follows the laws of physics and science. Thus, so does God. Wouldn't this mean, then, that with sufficient knowledge/technology, it's possible to actually find God, should he exist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole thing is God'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's found and you're finding it, forever'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'god... LOL why are there so many? greek, latin, hispanic, miyan, etc etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the more ancient structures liked to separate God into aspects'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'what is God, specifically?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever heard the story of the three blind men and the elephant?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole thing, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the universe is God?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Apocalyptic battle between good and evil also includes the battle between heterosexuals and sexperverts'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'this channel is just pure gold tonight.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the universe, you, your dreams, reality, the entire thing that makes a thing possible, and possible possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every last stupid little bit of it is God'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'my final decions are that ive read so much stuff, that i really dont think there is a deity living in the sky'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is just a mathematical construct.  He exists simply as a means to express something via a concise symbology (ie, the irrational number i or infinity)'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a way I would say so'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are a homosexual, you won't find god'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'LOL im straight xD'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also a symbol in spiritual texts for the equivalent construct in human thought'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the synthesis of the paradox'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying that god doesn't forgive all sins?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no he's just satirizing what uneducated people say the Bible says'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'it say in the bible when end times come he'll judge the living from the dead, but somewhere else in the bible it exclaims he doesnt judge.... so WTF'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it takes a lot of education to understand the bible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'truly it does'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the major religions are flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why ideally, there are people who are educated in the Bible, called priests, who help break it down for the rest of us'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'by the time you get that much education, you throw the bible out'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but like all systems of that nature, it gets twisted'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why is Zade satirizing what the *uneducated* are saying?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'anything based on faith is flawed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'faith in and of itself is flawed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'can't have love without faith'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'faith? i believe in myself actuallu'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'actually*'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'doesn't mean it isn't flawed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, there's no guarantee that your faith will be rewarded'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why it's faith...'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'what's the point of the bible if God is literally everything? Wouldn't, then, the best way to worship God is to use our ability to reason logically and understand everything (i.e. God) better?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'thats also why its flawed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no guarantee your parachute will open when you jump out of the plane'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you have faith and do it anyways, sometimes you die, but you can't really live with no faith, just because it's flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if God is everything, then what's the point of privacy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because Saric, there's more to life than just that part'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's you, who is also part of God'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'you guys are legit, def. better than the people i had this discussion with earlier'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is most definitely part of God, I mean, if it weren't, it wouldn't have worked'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then there is spirituality, which is science when applied to human consciousness and perception'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why you should fling the accusation of "troll" around with extreme care and consideration.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'GUYS we're alls gods image, even the sick ridden and people with progeria'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I throw bot around.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is also a science, so basically yeah, science is the way to understand God, and art is the way to worship...there's just more to science than what we call it nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the sexperverts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'especially the nymphos'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: '"trolls" are retarded nerds, they never get anywhere '
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what kind of sick joke is He playing at by putting sex organs on kids?  "Look, but don't touch.  Touch, but don't taste.  Taste, but don't swallow."'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'i take debate class in school, so now when i come home and get on Aard, i'll be sure to get on this channel'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that quip works a whole lot better in person, too, as everyone I meet thinks I look like Al Pacino.'
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'this subject is school is my favorite but technology is my personal favorite'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats shaking here ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright... time to start thinking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK  shoot '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Kurdish people may soon have their own state, especially if Syria colapses. What do y'all think about the collective "right" of a group of people to have a land to call their own? Does such a right exist? Where does it come from? So on and so forth....  READY,  SET,  GO!!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Greg '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'rights are defined by government'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'It's a good day is it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, by definition, you cannot have a right to define a government, since you need one to have the right'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so it has to happen outside of this process'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Syria will not collapse either - slimy bastard has finger in alot of pies '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Unpack that Swalec'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who's the slimy bastard?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'tell me what it is that you didn't understand'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and quickly because coffee break starts in 3 minutes'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oh, you mean a right to define a government and a tract of land is dependent on a government already in place/'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What about innate rights? Rights of man, rights of the collective...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'do such things allow people (groups, nations of people) to claim or lay stake to a ground and be justified in doing so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that is using the word "right" in a different way'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you need to be clear about your terms'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to say I know very little on the issue - only see the resistance of the "arab spring" in Syria  and the US needs more than Israel there r'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"a moral right" or a legal one'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright, I'm talking about a moral right... one that does not require a legal/written/ratifed expression to be real and valid and justified.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'personally I don't believe that such moral rights exist - innately... '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and It's alright Tzad, just throw shit in whenever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the world is gooverned by economics - is a said race wants autonomy they need a revinue stream .. whats the sit in Syria ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'At the same time though, I'm glad Kurdistan may actually happen, but upset about Israel.... I can't justify my love/hate for either process.... that bothers me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'That's a good quote Tzad, but I guess what I mean... I dunno what I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'welfare dependant niggers here want some voice/rights - yet it only hamstrings Oz as a nation to have these ppl not producing in the economic sense .. Oz is bought by another nation - or our industries at least and we all loose - all becuase the bleeding hearted lefties want to perpetuate welfare dependancy .. some had chioces have  to be made in Oz imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hard choices * - other Aussies wanna weigh in ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'The problem with welfare is that there's no way to distinguish the freeloaders from the needy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'education attempts ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'It's like death penalty -- on the off chance that somebody might NOT be guilty/freeloading, we should play conservative.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Social stigmas? I personally would be very ashamed to be out of work.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cizra where you live ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm in Adelaide atm but grew up in central Australia'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have alot of ppl there - 3rd gen welfare dependant - stil getting paid to do nothing - is even called "sitdown money" there '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I live where it is shameful for a man not to be supporting his family.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Assuming he has one, of course. I do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'In OZ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'What is Oz? I only know the Land of Oz with the flying horses..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Australia?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Australia? No, very far away from it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'oh.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am a diff story - was commited an d have a rich Dad who pays my bills while I get me head cleared - I am prob unemployable too but I aim to get better - many of those I spoke about have no such aspiration '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep Oz is Austraila '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki wanna weigh in on the situation in Oz Re - employment ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I can't say anything about Oz, or the States as I haven't been there in a while, but here in Africa there's a TON of unemployed trying to get whatever they can from whoever they can. And it's not because there's a lack of work... it's because they are lazy, uneducated, and unmotivated to achieve better.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But that was some wanton racism there Tzad.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I have a friend with 3 kids and a whiny wife. He works his ass off (no good education) and still barely manages to feed them. I would certainly support that kind of families.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Cizra where you from?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I'd rather keep it private, please.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep I'm racist '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No doubt, I would as well. (the support not the locale, but I guess both you have a right to privacy I think) :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'wow I log in to see that message, Tza'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Hmm. Haven't seen somebody admit to racism in a while.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets get this clear - I'm "Pro elf but I'm not anti troll" - and Tz is ok '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I assume that carries over to rl?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I like white girls - hell yeah !'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'lol.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is preferance and is it is descrimination but it is what I find beautiful - what i s the peob ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I can't keep my fucking throughts strait long enough today to actually think of something worth bringing up to the aardwolf collective... too much caffine.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'prob *'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'live fast - die young - and leave a caffinated corpse ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You just declared yourself for racism. But I do have an issue with what you just said - not that you said it - that the idea you brought up is so degraded by society...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yes, Tzad. That way they don't have to embalm me..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I'll not take anything you say to heart - lets roll - I'm racist  '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I understand what you're saying though... I mean, that's why we as humans form groups anyway. To isolate and distinguish ourselves from the Other, or others...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw F that - how much BS from society programming did I go thru b4 I realised I was a lesian ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But why is it "bad" to do that along racial lines? It's an innate chracteristic that the subject can't change.. .but so what? Maybe I only like petite girls or haning out with people that have the same sense of humor as me... those are innate characteristics as well, and yet it's acceptable to group along those lines.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah thats human nature  - a part of our homeostasis wiring - but I AM racist - I am Proud of my white race !'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, schizo cracka-ass cracka aint no better than anybody else, don't h8'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But do you feel the need to kill non-whites? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yo Starling.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hi Zacc'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'star I don't h8 - thatdeb s the prob - the vast majoritdeb y of lovers h8 the opposition - me - let em have it - I'm not interested '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are some people I feel the need to kill, but a) none of them are due to race, and b) I'll only kill them if I'm diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 6 months to live.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Star I have a limited time ... '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, what? 50 more years? 60?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so spree kill - how you gonna break the 38 highscore ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and shooting Tasmanians don't count anymor eeither ! :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Damn, there's one here in Burundi with me for the next week. Maybe I'll arange for her to be killed by the militia.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But if it doesn't count, it's not worth the effort.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to factor bulk buys into consideration with trading souls imo  ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lol.... and that ws the last we heard of Tzad...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and several thousand other dole bludgers ... '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Dole Bludgers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'umemployable adults that have no plan on changing that status '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ahh. So... most of Oz.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'If you'd turn your selves rightside up and come up above the equator a bit, the rest of the world might hire some of you...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '5% unemployment - hmmm whats the US unemployment rat ? ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Not sure, but I think around 7-9%.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But mostly it was a joke against Oz...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the unemployed actually have a factor in intereest rates and inflation .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And Damn, I never knew juniper trees could do it for me Tzad... oh yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'wrong channel. Oops.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But If we're dreaming... bring me a dark haired, intelligent, independent woman with a love for cargo pants and living in shit-hole countries for naive humanitarian reasons. Reasonable, no?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'wrong channel again...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'is this game sexist, you have to give head to pete everytime you want a keg?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Obama had to move at the last minute from a 74,000 seater stadium to a 20,000 seater, and even then had to bus a bunch of people in to fill it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not looking great for him....'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because of rain, brainiac'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'is why they moved it out of the stadium'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rain stopped play, did it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like it was a tropical storm'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where's the other 54,000 going to go?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'home to watch it on their big screens they bought because they were on government cheese.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the big screens Obama gave them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they didn't earn the money to buy them themselves, Government did that'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not sure its Obama's fault, but ok.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They sold 65,000 tickets'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I see this channel's as erudite as ever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but its been that way for years, regardless of which party is in office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be partisan, martini'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i just hate establishment politicians because they're all on the tap'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'amen'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Pretty much everyone that runs for president is an "establishment politician"'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's not like they were a plumber last month'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to support the Republicans (by dissing the Democrats etc), but also seems complain about the british "republican" austerity measures afflicting the pensioners -- seems a contradiction there'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't support either side, as it goes'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but thanks for caring'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its just fun to diss the guy currently in charge.  You will always have those people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts claims to be an independent but I never see him diss the Republicans, always the Democrats. And he'll often put the blame on issues the Republcians are guilty of solely or mostly on the Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Make of that what you will.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm nominally Libertarian, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernets seems to be a Republican republican "libertarian" republican supporter with a side of republican  (the bloody Vikings chime in with "spam spam spam spam, Wonderful Spam! .."'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you need psychiatric help, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Goon Show and the Monty Python Frigging Circus are british exports -- is Tigernuts saying the the british are exporting diseases'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly syphallis and empirism'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we also seem to have exported a desire for world government'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though I'm blaming the Europeans for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of us never even wanted to be in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so have you anything you want to actually discuss, or are you merely waving your muscular foot, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame, on occasions you've even been known to make sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i think tempering should be permanent and once off'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'too late, it's a debate now'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'once off?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'temper once, like an enchantment'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only not redoable I am guessing'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'enchants don't fade, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he's saying, make it permanent like an enchant'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'yeah like if you temper a weapon once it keeps the stats and can never be tempered again -once off'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As long as the system isn't broken like enchants'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I think all weapons should be spoons.  and we should be fed by them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'what do you mean by broken dear Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'should remain the same as always.. Ore, skill, level etc... Inferno ore used on a level 1 weapon would be too exteme.. But then again the level of weapon and ore should come into play... Would be a huge game changer maybe even too much of a change'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much do you get from a temper now, out of curiosity?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'depends on the skill, ore and level of a blacksmith..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'inferno ore, maxxed blacksmith SH level T9'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i know some ores give +6 and some +18.. Thats damage.. Then hr/dr.. Maybe a dtype.. All depends on the character and ore.. Etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'that would be bad.. Inferno ore should only be used on a 201 or up weapon'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it currently is.  but under your proposal, it would get used on every weapon, at all levels.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i guess it would be a fantasy... Imagine a ninja backstab at t9 after inferno ore has been used..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: '(and when I say "currently is", I mean "most likely, given the relative benefits to a pupper versus a leveler")'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'anyway, the idea is OP, so don't get your hopes up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point is, tempers are sweet'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'so is chocolate.  but if you gorge on it all day, you'll make yourself sick.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm i know.. But then again could be controlled.. Ores at level 1 can only be used on level 1 weapons... More ores at certain levels.. Rare.. Eg. You get an ore that enchants daggers only.. Some for swords..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now that's a bit elaborate I would think'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably just as good to make it like grouping or pk limits.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe...use 5 ores to make a permanent temper of equal strength to the temporary 1 ore temper'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or something of that nature'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'but then again what about othere weapons.. Maybe an aard axe could be double handed to increase power.. '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'come up with a solution for the over-powering benefit, or consider the likelihood of seeing anything remotely like this to be slim.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about an ore just for permanence or non-statting purposes?  Permanence could let you remove a temporary flag, for example.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'any such ore would be farmed within an inch of its life.  you'd never see one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'all of us that are non-tier are at t2.. So maybe the tempering could be once off but... The stats would be less and damage etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'adding a 20th of the damage that sticks and a 10th of the hr or dr..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'also depending on the ore used skill level etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'sigh wishful thinking...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think it is.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it's a nice wish at least'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the temper is so good because it's temporary'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, american airlines wouldn't let a 16yr old with downs syndrome on the flight citing him a security risk'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning on suing, and good show'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'wow thats kinda bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Charlotte man listed as a terrorist over traffic violation'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'poor airline.. That family is going to have a field day!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh heh, far worse than that'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I hope the 'traffic violation' was something akin to 'crashing a desil truck into the side of a courthouse''
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far funnier'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'get the local police in on it.  A ticket for "following too closely".'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was going to protest at the DNC, they arrested him for "a suspended license" despite being the PASSENGER in the car, and held him for 36 hours in jail without charge claiming he was on the terrorist watch list '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is to be held until the end of the convention'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'poor state'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A 2009 Department of Defence anti-terrorism training program entitled "Antiterrorism and Force Protection Annual Refresher Training Course" used material that defined protesting as "low level terrorism"'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't have the sheeple being able to protest the government now'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Charlotte man's rights were violated -- the Charlotte police acted in a criminal manner'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder if in the presidential debates, Romney will ask Obama why DHS have bought over 1billion .40 cal hollow point bullets this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'answers to the "year right" competition'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'to shoot people?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, who?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it's part of OF&F.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'thats what our government did.. They shot miners for protesting with blades and such.. Before that they shot criminals.. If you have a rhino horn you get killed.. Saw a vid with a ranger putting 3 in a guy face.. Was interesting'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but wait, the Charlotte man was a republican going to protest at a Democrat National Convention ? -- then he likely is a potentially-violent terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'di you see how violent th tea-partiers are against those of different opinions -- the Tea-Party is a terrorist organisation'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more likely a democrat plant, trying to smear the republican good name.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they are, zade, and did you know the tea-party are planning to work with al-quaida?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tea party founders were directly responsible for the embassy bombings.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roflroflrofl'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please watch this'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-party-heads-ram-through-pro-israel-language-steam-roll-opposition_651765.html'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's AWESOME'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'right-wing terrorists, islamic terrorists - even if they fight each other -- both groups are terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what?  OMG, that's terrible!  I bet they even got...*gasp!*...religion!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis refreshing to have it proven that it wasn't just the rnc that was a farce'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics are always a farce.  It's the politics of telling folk what they want to hear as you do what you want.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but it was caught on tv :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'lets kill religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kill your own religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): EspadaSix Grimmjo snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans are religious nutters -- so if you (Tigernuts) are equating religion to terrorism, then maybe you do believe that the Republicans are terrorists '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why I always vote with the magic 8-ball.  And keep it safely locked up until the day before the election.  It's far too powerful a force to just leave lying around unprotected.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i have none'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i equated no such thing, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats are more like the WBC than they realize.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you did!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Hanslanda believes that the tea-party are terrorists  '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise teaparty working with al-quaida is something DHS have been briefing their staff and the army with?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, the same tea party that shits a brick at anyone even vaguely arabic'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'zade you are a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts hinted that the tea-party plans to work with al-quaida '
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts claims that the US government believes tea-party plans to work with al-quaida'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the government, they can't be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're a conspiracy theorist if you believe otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Alsonote'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'er, mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the government is a terrorist organisation with their fucking tax!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know the meaning of tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come to the UK and see how real tax is'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, I'd hate to have to only pay sales tax on the value added instead of on the entire price.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if only'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '9-11 may've been the result of (the republicans and) the Bush family working with the Bin Laden Family -- so the tea-party may indeed be working with al-quaida'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a stretch, zade, teh bush family are outside the tea-party, they're a mafia-style family in it for themselves, and have been for 100yrs or more'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly were involved in funding Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's on record'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i was in the uk the beef isnt even fresh!'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i laught at your 8% sales tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours is currently 20'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'only on the value added'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that's a huge difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I laugh at your 0% tax on food and children's clothes'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's piss all difference to the end user'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some foods'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'shit! Ours is 15 it sucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You don't pay 20% on the entire price.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we pay 8% on the entire price'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're an end user and it's vat'able, you pay 20% on top of the whole priec'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'great standard of living in Canada'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the supply chain can claim back the difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the french or canadian side?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had a good giggle at people moaning about $4/gallon gas'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the weakening dollar, ours dipped below $9'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Meanwhile, in regards to the dollar, your income raised dramatically.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i wonder if zade is married in rl'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If we're relating stuff do the US $, might as  well talk about everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, leinei, all my expenses changed by an equivalent amount, so i'm no better off'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And yet you're complaining about gas'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '82% of the price of a gallon of gas is tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Which, oh yeah, you get a reduced tax on, while we get extra tax on'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty good reason to complain about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Unless you're a business, the VAT on gas is reduced'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm there are things you can never have enough of... Money and food..'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vat on gas is 20%, and that's on top of the price of the gas + the duty'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're paying VAT on tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No, VAT on gas is 5%'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'unless, like I said, you're a business'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's on home gas, not petrol'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"natural gas" if you will'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and electric'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'distances in England are not as far, so leews petrol is used'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'just curious... Leinei, do you think that business won't push that tax on their customers? Regardless of what the % is.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? i drive 20,000 miles a year'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pizza delivery ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just getting to work and back, mostly'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '60 miles a day is a lot of driving'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had noticed'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so drivers here are rightly annoyed at the tax, and the fact that less than half the tax collected through that duty actually goes to the transport budget'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you imagine commuting 200 miles (one-way)?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does commuting one way work? beginning of week?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one-wayness means you go that distance either to or from work, not both.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people do it, though such people tend to use the train'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'i wish you would commute one way to another channel  preferably one im not on'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British trains are the thing of legend'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, a 200-mile one-way commute means you put 400 miles on your car each day you went to work.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have to be quite a special job for that to be worth while'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or move'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they had a story about such super-commuters during the last gas crisis.  Even CEOs couldn't afford the gas for that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason we'd have a gas crisis now is if one was artificially created by the government or oil companies'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all crises are caused by the government.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what Enron got away with by turning off the power in some places midsummer peak time to create a general impression of electric shortages, with a view to putting the price up'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We get brownouts all the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's normal'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next one will probably be a claim of Chemical weapons in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have brownouts here on account of having sold our soul to the french and russians'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are net importers of energy, which is a bad idea in the modern uncertain world'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'entirely capable of being energy self sufficient here, but a combination of the previous government's hatred of nuclear power, and their signing our soul up to Agenda 21 means we're not allowed to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, we must import our energy and pay a premium for it because Al Gore thinks polar bears can't swim, and therefore must be paid lots of money'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough from me, bedtime - enjoy your freedom while you still have it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if you still have it)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'freedom's just another word for "nothin' left to lose"'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counterintuitively though, it's the first thing they're grabbing'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's a close rune thing with all these taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be humorous when the polar ice melts and much of England is submerged underwater'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the polar ice isn't going to melt'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong there'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it will eventually, but the planet will be consumed by the sun eventually'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ice is melting at an accelerating rate (in Iceland, and Antarctica)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'to add to yesterday's debate about privacy and the government, one piece of news today might be interesting to read: http://rt.com/news/apple-patent-transmission-block-408/'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a synopsis is faster'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'apple patented some kidn of technology that can remotely disable recording features of mobile devices'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'around an area'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so basically they press the red button and nobody can record the police beating the hell out of protesters'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'for example :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I'd like to highlight this phrase: ""...the wireless transmission of sensitive information to a remote'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'source is one example of a threat to security."'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so, basically, two human beings communicating is a threat to "security" (whatever the hell that means)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, it means they don't like the fact anyone can make videos of their "JFK assassinations"'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Technology's advanced to the point that anyone can broadcast information, and the media is no longer the sole source'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'they say it's for theaters and private meetings, for ex.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but really, it can be used for whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like google search optimization is to "help" you, and not record everything you've ever done'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another reason to boycott apple'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'thank god I'm too poor to buy anything from them'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'on one hand I have no problem with a company wanting to restrict their wireless space'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but when it gets to the gov. hands... then it's problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Private sector is just a front for the government'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And "capitalism" ensures no non-inner circle break in'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'yeah, that too'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Funny thing is DARPA already has all this - this is marketing the covert as mainstream to get people to accept it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When you condition people to wait in lines, be inspected, and be under constant surveillance, they become inured of it, and expect it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You just don't tell them you're doing it'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We have it right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you think the TSA is?'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Citizens monitoring citizens, because, of course, it's your fellow sheep that are the enemy, right'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some prefer to avoid waiting in lines'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some do not squeal on others'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have no choice when they snap your biometrics waiting in line at a red light, waiting in line at the airport, even at a store'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'most do, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't view it as squealing - they're taught they're protecting the USA from terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All it is is delegating surveillance to the people themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'running after the carrot :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is this new for you guys, being thoroughly inspected at the airport that is'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They put Umar Farouk on a plane, made a bunch of smoke, then finally installed the scanners, which had been pre-made, waiting for such an event to be fabricated'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The scanners give you cancer and sterilize you - on top of that, it set a precedent of surveillance veiled as protection'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in their defense you can always opt out of the scan'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True, for now'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What they didn't tell you was all the defeated spin-off bills that tried to require state-to-state stops on threat of quarantine, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm really just playing devil's advocate'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the screening is pretty ridiculous, but I've been randomly selected at around 99% for the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'only difference now is they have widened their scope'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Funny that you said 10 years - imagine all the children that have been born expecting this'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'people who do not get the flu virus shot are dangerous to those that do...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'it's a load of ...'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that might be true, but all the people I know who get the flu shot always end up catching the flu.'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'that's what I said too. And I got before and ended up with the flu'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'felt bullied at work to get one'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'I agree people who get the flu shot are a danger to us who do not'
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't mean they got the flu from the flu virus, I mean that they caught the flu sometime else that season.  Because of what's in the shot, you actually are supposed to get sick with the flu.  It's like starting up your gas mower for the first time in the spring.'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ave all :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- I think I should be able to protect myself as best I can - training and ordinance '
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seriously - I understand the chann definitions now R .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you ever hear about scientific consensus in a field, you should assume there is something wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu jab is wack, btw, unless you're in an at risk group'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just handing money to big pharma for little actual benefit'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much in the news tonight, Romney death threats from Democrate delegate, Criticism of Obama's overly personal attacks in the campaign, democrat leaders predicting lower than usual convention poll bounce'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funky new quadraped DARPA robot clocks in at 26mph'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'overly personal attacks? I almost choked on my coffee'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, bit of a role reversal on that one'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal attacks are typically a sign of desperation in politics, but given how "showbiz" US politics is, it's hard to tell'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm curious what they are referring to'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your pick, it's like shooting fish in a barrel'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, both ways'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LA start arresting people for filming in public'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'those no filming laws piss me off, mainly to protect the police in their violation of civil rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LA cops, that is, supposed to be for suspicious filming of public buildings, but cops being cops, and cops being cops having had bad cops set precedent, are abusing it'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone should make a point of filming in public, it's not illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously tempted to get a cheap hd camera myself and cart around with me everywhere ig o'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did they ever resolve the case of that guy who "shot himself in the head" while being handcuffed in the back of a police cruiser?'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not, he was black so it was clearly his fault'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was sarcasm, folks'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ehard about the 12million iPhone codes/pws/address books/personal details that got leaked?'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope, thank god I don't use iPhones'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well droids aren't much better, tbh'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but Apple is too cutthroat for my tastes'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most modern smartphone or computer OS's have backdoors for government agencies, and even if they don't, most hardware has them in anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can immunise yourself to an extent by only using known-clean software (chance that GNU stuff is cleaner than most because it gets looked over by the community)'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the only real way is to avoid the tech altogether'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah in this modern society not having a cell phone is bad news'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well interesting you mention that: Shunning social media is one of the "points scoring" criteria for the intelligence services looking for terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, "protesting" is now a terrorist offence for which you can be detained indefinitely for'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and being critical of authority is a mental illness for which you can be committed to an asylum without any process (due or otherwise)'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to America, aren't you glad you came :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'personal liberties are eroding'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pull all the same shit here in the UK too, they're just a bit quieter about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also we had less rights and freedoms than you guys to start with'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so less distance to fall'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think the mindset for this was always present, it has just taken technology to catch up'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think how Hitler or Stalin would feel with smartphones? They'd be ejaculating in their pants at the thought of all that surveillance and control'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't even mean you're typical bad guys'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^your'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can anyone get me across magnetism real quick ? need to know why non ferrous metals are not effected by magnets '
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nixed: 'what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'what to talk about today?'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'obama?'
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we don't have a corum as yet - deb suspended until '
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n in 30 min BOB nI are busy  - until then the world can lok after itself ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe Biden's dad supports Obama's presidency re-election bid'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite being dead for 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'he was a forward thinker.'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What's up with Biden anyway - why is he pretending to be senile/semi-retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or is that just my impression'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think he's pretending'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rock on, gold's at $1737'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that's a cool billboard: Global Warming: As fake as your girlfriend's orgasm'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'On October 13, 1999, during a press conference to announce his plans to run for president, he predicted the collapse of the world's financial system, stating, "There's nothing like it in this century.... it is systematic, and therefore, inevitable." He said the U.S. and other nations had built the "biggest financial bubble in all history," which was close to bankruptcy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like he's going to proven right'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '47 million americans on food stamps. What happens when the stamps run out?'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'philatelists will rejoice, as the flooded market can now stabilize.'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, what do you think that's going to look like?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darknecro: 'whos on?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who's on second.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats shaking here ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a lot, just broke my little toe'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn ! how ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Tiggy too :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stubbed it'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sure it's broke ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'icepack reduce swelling - disinfect ifbroken     skin .lol you know the drill '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nogs ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If a broken bone breaks the skin, get ye to a doctor...or a hospital'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or come n see me :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Vaki :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, just swollen'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if yougotohospitalthey'll just strap itto the next one overfor           supportI think '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure it'll be fine'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit sticky space bar '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no bleeding, nothing sticking out, broke the nail at it's a bit wonky, my shoe will hold it straight'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you got lignocane ? or some form of codine ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swore a bit at the time :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'broken it many timse'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It takes a lot of force to break a toe. It's probably not broken.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol nearly twisted my ankle tripping today getting out the bus - yep I know the expletive drill :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of whether it'sb roken or badly sprained, treatment is the same anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'true they are pretty rubbery - prob why they have so mant bones '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama is set to implement some kind of Cyber Security bill by presidential decree'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'decommisioning echelon ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever it is, chances are it'll be bad news for freedom'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and US has pulled Canada's diplomatic relations with Iran'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit rich accusing Romney of warmongering, the two faced hypocrit'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ain't Ohbummer a lefty ? freedom n all that ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he pretends he is'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wanker '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's got all his supporters fooled, he's a communist really'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn soz curse in deb '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'freedom n all that is rightie'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'going to have to disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree with whom about what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Is it still illegal to be a communist in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo left n right matter little in these e conomic rationalist times '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'with you that Obama is a communist'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt rational about selling your country into serfdom by giving all the money to bankers and megacorps'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Isn't that the point of the US?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not communism though'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's not'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if they fund your evry expensive reelection campaign it might be ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really capitalism, either'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not free market capitalism, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That cannot be a surprise, the politics is obviously designed for that and hence something the public wants.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It has been established that the US is not Capitalist, but Corporatist'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it neocorporatism, or whatever'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how to fix ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Vote for someone that has good ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the US? Give up and leave, seriously.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm probably better placed to tell you how to fix the problem in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vote for someone who is not a politician then :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are you going to, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't need to leave anywhere, so long as the US stops infecting...Au doing just fine'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets buy an island and set up a new country - show em how it's done ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for you guys, the first thing to do would be to reaffirm and reinforce the constitution, relegislate glass-stegall, and put a financial transaction tax on all imaginary financial products'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'transaction tax is a must imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'great way to end your career as a politician'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'any mention of the word Tax, and you are a communist'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have a personal transaction tax limit of $1mil a  to ensure it doesn't hit joe bloggs'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Make it illegal for politicians to receive donations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call it a fee , charge or levee then ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or at least make donations public.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'donations aren't public?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Supreme Court said that donations were free speech, go figure'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no bann em - someone would just set up a shelf company and donate thru that ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spellu'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The single greatest blow to the US way of life was McCarthy.  It all stems to that mindset, and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it beyond leave or new revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spellu ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'checks for a red under the bed .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for us here, i'd reform/simplify the tax and welfare system, write a constitution, pull out of the EU, and spend a bunch of money on social housing and rail infrastructure instead of giving it to JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As I see it, the big change for the US was WWII. Before it, the US was a young growing nation. After it, the US became a bully, world police and now a police state.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain what you mean to us non-Ameriacns, Vakie'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually the McArthy area introduced the idea (which is now full blown) that citizens should inform on each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no conflict occured on US soil and they still geared for war - win win for the US WWII'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see something, say something'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear a lot about that, and it's a problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cos the crooks are in the government, and nobody is watching them'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol in Oz "keep the bastards honest" .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that started the ridicioulous idea that one US life is worth more than any amount of "other" life. E.g. pearl harbour, or iraq.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the US has criticized other nations for implementing the same system. The Soviet System was to be feared because it induced neighbors to inform on neighbors. Now in the US the same thing is happening, but because it is happening in the US, it's OK.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is linked to spending capacity now ? human life ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's nothing if not hypocratic'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am on my very own rant, about WWII and US military :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'asian countries are setting up their own free trade areas and using non-US currency, so it's only a matter of time before US gets desperate enough to start a war'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Wait, lives are worth something?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best hope it's not with Russia ro China becasue that will end very badly for everyone on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only US lives.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we'll all be inundated with data mining drones in a few years - reporting becomming redundant ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh.  Okay.  Carry on then.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Apparently, killing 100s of thousands of japanese was fair, because of pearl harbour. Or killing 100s of thousands iraqi is fair, because they are fighting back.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the funneral bell tolls - it tolls for us all because humanity has lost '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it tolls because idiots vote for Obama or Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the RICCO Act grants 10% of the revenue recovered from selling the assests of an accused (notice that I didn't say of a convicted). That has made a lot of neighbors point fingers at other neighbors, easy money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Cameron, or Miliband'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'black ops funding ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ah.  You seem to be thinking that human lives and suffering have anything to do with the justifications for war.  '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or the rationalizations, I should say.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds right to me :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna trot out another jaded shrug ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American scientists/advisors to the whitehouse had said before Hiroshima that detoniting an atomic bomb there had a 0.05% chance of putting a hole in the atmosphere that would wipe out all life on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'problem or soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only solution is to wrest a lot of the power back from central governments and place it back where it belongs, with the people locally'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It seems so, at least for iraq. It's so terrible when a US soldier dies, but the fact that 100s more iraqi dies is not even mentioned. They are just called terrorists or insurgents, because they fight the enemy force that is occupying their country, and that makes it ok to kill them. '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recognise and put a stop to all the surveillance, nanny state-ism, and collectivist practices'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the US have an alternative that the NRA - right Xtians can run with - seems to be the big right voting blocks over there ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same thing here in Sweden when a swedish soldier dies in afganistan. Stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's interesting, Tigernuts. Because the bomb in Nagasaki was dropped for no other reason to make sure that the first one wasn't a fluke. So they weren't to concerned with probabilites.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, stos'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'too concerned*'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they're the same people that create gigantic economic bubble after gigantic economic bubble, the biggest is set to burst soon'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already deflating slowly now'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but very slowly'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's deflating at a rate slower than it's growing'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's tinned food n shotguns time for the west - lol today I don't look so insane ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therefore not deflating lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yea, tzad, people laugh at preppers, but they'll be the ones best placed'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different situation here, you can't prep'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz is a nanny state too - just have to have connections - being cute helps :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that appears to be a relatively recent thing, oz didn't used to be run by pussies'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did it occur when you started letting women take charge?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oz has it's bad sides as well. E.g. that it's illegal to enter the country if you have HIV.'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're one of the first adopters of overt carbon taxes, ffs'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst sniggers quietly to himself, reflecting over an amusing thought.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left is out next election - Vaki could tell you more but landslides against the left in the last 2 state n territory elections '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it goes to form, the right will be no better'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and will continue the same policies'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah - point to my original statement on economic rationalism and the certralation for politics '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left here just wanted a chunk of the mining boom - not real smart imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your mining industry largely owned by China?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not really up on it - again Vaki would be the dude in the know but I think increasingly '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or Scurv   - another Aussie in the know '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know the chinesse buy ALOT of farming land in OZ '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy - on the island we buy would you have democracy ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my take on democracy is advertisment works and is expensive and idiots vote '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fail'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dead ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'wark wark'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'umm not sure how to respond ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want democracy to work, you need to keep the size of the democracy small'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you want democracy to work, you need to segregate people based on ideas...'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'design by commitee ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't need to force segregation'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will do that themselves or compromise'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except they don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People go where the money is'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have the ability to, they will'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the moment people don't have the opportunity to'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'homeostasis describes 90% of humanity imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'most humans are routine bound idiots imo - lead them by the nose - ie the wallet .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would you want that sort of collective running a nation ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd want some sort of collective to oversea foreign policy and trade disputes between the local democracies'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, you could call the local elements "states"'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'd abolish local gov in an island gov imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the size of the island'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your island is the UK and has 70 million resident, clearly that's too big for a single democratic entity'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can only by a small one - no resources beyond intellectual '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz is only 30 mil but we are leaking resources at a rapid rate cause labour costs are too high to value add '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does that have to do with local democracy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have subdivision that would work well as semi-autonomous democracies'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like a local council ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'province, like new south wales, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'represent what, around 5 mil each?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have 3 levels of governance - fedral - state or terrirory - and local council - selet one of those  ? damn the french !'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably a bit too many'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about federal and local council?'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'delete state ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, most power given to local council'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how i'd do it here, constituency parliaments, single representative sent to national parliament'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'national parliament responsible for foreign policy, tax collection and a set of base policy, local responsible for everything else'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know for sure local council is the most dysfunctional of all levels of gov  - tbh the buisiness community is streets ahead as far as functionallity '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably have no impetus because they have no real power'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constituency parliament here would represent around 50,000 people'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no accoundtability - no compeditors  '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy I  gotta bow out mate - just gonna make a cunt of myself if I continue - sleep meds kicking in '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh soz for swearing in deb too - gotta review lang protocols in deb next time I'm there '
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Now how did I miss this - in Greece, the party with the most votes get 50 bonus reps in parliament'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In the USA gays allready have the same rights as straights do, why is their a problem?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because your premise is false'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can't get married'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'yes they can'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in some states, a small minority'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'apparently with not the same tax benefits and whatnot as straight couples'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We can't let gay people get married because then:'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that leaves more women for straight guys?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Look what I'm saying is Im a straight and I dont have they right to marry another man if I want to, gays cant either except in a few states. I can do that too in those states so how do they have less rights? We have the same rights.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you have the right to marry someone that you are sexually compatible with and they do not'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'although if that is supposed to be a joke then it's OK'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But males are sexually compatible with females'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay okay, I am joking'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia tosses a bottle of beer at Snooky ... let's just hope he'll catch it!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Consenting adult x loves consenting adult y.  If x and y are male and female, ball's rolling.  Anything else, though...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gays should consioder themselves lucky not to have to go through a divorce though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That sounds really dumb...look at what you wrote, think, then come back'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's like saying homeless people should be lucky they don't have to go through bankruptcy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay I read it and Im back, so gays are like the homeless now? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's some shitty trolling'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Snooky I don't know if your purposely dense or just trolling'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe they are, I mean they probably didnt choose to be homeless'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem is, there are people who actually believe that shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So insecure about their own marriages they have to nosey in on other people's'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Belive what? I beleive gays should have the same rights as others, I was just saying that in a way they allready do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In a way, you have as much money as Bill Gates.  You both have >1 dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they obviously don't though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not to compare homosexuality to beastialty or anything but people who like sex with animals cant marry the thing that they are sexually compatible with either'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'beastiality is distasteful, however I don't see why it's illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'animal cruelty'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because animals cannot consent'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh, cat's DO consent lol you have never seen a female cat in heat'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not to human beings'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Holy shit...does that mean if a girl is wet I am just allowed to stick my dick in there? Didn't think so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If only... Just kidding of course :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and why the fuck am I being called a troll? Because I see things differently?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My race is troll on aard but thats about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is your main point'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because your opinions are outlandishly skewed to the controversial'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I understand from what you posted, it is that gays already have the same rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this is patently false'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sexual compatibilty aside, they do have the same rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's really not debateable'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you're welcome to try'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can two gay men get married in Texas?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they have the right to marry the opposite sex, just like everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you read what I said? In a way, you have the same amount of money as Bill Gates - you both have >1 dollars.  Does that help you see how dumb you sound?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no heres the part that makes you like a troll'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you apparently can't see the meaningful difference between that literal interpretation and what is actually important in a marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how it is oppressive to gay people'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You love someone - you both consent to be married.  Gov: "OSHIT 2 dicks or no dicks, soz, no can do"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean that much is pretty blatantly obvious, it seems like you are being sarcastic and we don't see why you'd be doing that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or at least, if you are, at this point it's kind of not really good sarcasm anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a nutshell'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's like racial segregation - back when blacks and whites could not be married.  "You have the same rights, anyone has the right to marry someone the same race as them"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I understand that part and they should be abkle to get married and I agree with that despite my religious beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Vakieh.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But do you not see just how ridiculous your argument is yet?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'America is America and we should have the right to do and say contreversial things'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but there's nothing even really controversial about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats the point, we don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, do you have gay friends?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have the right to say it.  I have the right to call you stupid for saying it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do, why they can't be married I don't see.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh, yeah I will fess to that. It was just a funny thiought I had the other day when talking to my gay step brother'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Please tell me you didn't spout this at him?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Calling me stupid is fine, you couldnt be more wrong but you can say what you want.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People in the US in his situation have enough shit to deal with than family talking like you have just been'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay well I did bring it uo in a joke like manner and he lol'd at me and said "duh" which would be the correct response'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is what I figured in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet inside he has potentially just realised that yet another of his supposed support network is a homophobe'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what religious beliefs do you have that condemn homosexuality?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gay marriage is not as sensitive of a subject as segragation or black slavery. They are not endearing an equal amount'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WHa???'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cause it sure isn't anything Jesus said'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and way to speak for my family Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tell a gay person gay marriage (and homophobia in general) is not a 'sensitive issue',,,'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am a christian, I beleive that gays can go to heaven and all that. Im not condeming homosexuality and I belive that other christians should allow them in their churches rather then condeming them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said not as sensitive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Are you black or gay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being denied church is a good thing in my book - opens the mind to things that aren't sky fairies'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Or just republican?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am libertarian if anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am a Jewish/Cuban'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are a Christian Jew?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'yeah, wtf...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Jews for Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'yep, and I dont support Isreal's Governemt either'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'jewish descent but christian faith'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, personally I think homosexuality is a non-issue. I couldn't care less what other people do to each other and really would thank them not to tell me. I don't need to be that in the loop.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When did they start allowing religion remorts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'since people decided to change their religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jews for Jesus is a real group. I know of one office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So the world of Vakieh....Gay, sensitive issue. Religion Bashing, just fine.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But to be fair Ive never met a gay couple that wasnt totally based on the gay sex that they have with each other'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what does that even mean?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Are you the real snooky?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Holy...motherfucking...shit.  Ever seen a straight couple that wasn't based on straight relationships and sex?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's never "oh I love this person and we mesh so well" It's usually about sexual promiscuity with the same sex as yourself'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that gays don't have deep and meaningful relationship based on love and emotions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's all linked, religious bashing, homophobia, racism. The common denominator is that those who practice any of those forms of xenophobia have a deeply ingrained inferiority complex. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky - ever thought maybe the ones who don't flaunt it you may not notice as being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they mostly just hop from partner to partner when they've fucked all of the lust out of their last one, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dont have Xenophobia'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, come on, I've heard some dumb shit in my time, but 'gays are bad because they are all sluts' takes things to a new low'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but us straight people, we actually love each other meaningfully, now I am being sarcastic but is this what you are getting at?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and yes Cambodia that is usually what gay culture in movies and tv has shown people, is it true? Probably not, but that is the image that hollywood gay would have everyone belive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because people who are gay don't have stunted emotions, at least in no higher ratio than the rest of straight humanity'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the way gay people are in the real world is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Snooky, this is genuine advice. Throw out everything you think you know and go listen to these people you are speaking about before forming such wild notions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because hollywood is a WONDERFUL way to judge people.  All blacks are thieves, arabs are terrorists, gays are sluts, nerds are virgins, and white people can't dance.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hollywood gay is just that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also, you have to think how gay culture used to be, and why it was that way'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as well as a unique expression of homosexual aesthetic, it was structured so that gay people could avoid the awkward situation of getting severely beaten or killed for trying to come on to a straight person'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The times determine what is okay and what isnt, it used to be you could be a 40 year opld man and marry a 13 year old girl. That was the norm and that man wasnt considered a pedophile.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'back when homosexuality wasn't as out in the open'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The times determine the CONSEQUENCES of things'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doesn't mean that 40 yo wasn't a paedophile'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nowadays, gays can look "straight" and still be gay, because we are aware enough the the cultural depiction isn't needed to be identified as gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Now being gay is okay and they WILL get their rights, maybe in the future being straight will be a crime punishable by death'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ah, so that's when rape is not rape, when women used to have no rights!'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, I don't care what others do to each other, but I will complain about gays putting their business out on the street. There is no reason not to be quietly gay. Here is the thing, homosexuality has been around since there were people. One of the most noted groups that practiced homosexuality was the Samuri (they called it Manly Love), and as we know, they would kick your ass without another thought. My point is that you don't have to dress as woman (if you are man), you don't have to wear breast suppressors (if you are a woman) you can just go about your business just like everyone else without having to point to your sexuality. The only reason I can see anyone doing that is for attention (another form of the inferiority complex).'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'O LOOK! A slippery slope argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's all based on the times, why didn't I think of that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now that that is true, gay people don't act any different than straight people except for their gender sexual preference'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so this hollywood gay thing is actually not true'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a trope'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the point with that is, why the hell can't you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, you don't have to do that stuff if you are gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Anaristos straight people can display their heterosexuality out in the open'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but, why can't you if that's what you want to do?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is true if you leave in or near Holliwood :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gay people's voices are silly to me though, I will say that much. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia sighs.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Lol "There is no reason not to be quietly gay."'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is no "gay peoples voices"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wow'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'seriously, what's wrong with this country'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am a hetereosexual. I don't recall doing anything that pointed to my sexuality.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no because you take it for granted'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've never kissed a girl in public?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you are "normal" when you are "heterosexual"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You've never hit on a woman at a bar?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't notice how it is until you see a gay person'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'When you see a gay guy with a tube top and spraypaint green combat boots and a whistle in Chicago and hes screaming "EXCUSE ME!" in a ifemminate voice, you dont laugh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in actuality they are both equally valid ways of being'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wow... The 'stereotypical gay voice' is somewhat caused by certain gay men's lower levels of testosterone - I know plenty of gay men who don't have 'the voice''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's louis CK and he is funny'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Saying they are lesser people because of lower hormones...you are a pretty shit person'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, what you do has nothing to do with your sexuality. There are gay football players, doctors, lawyers, every category. There is no need to paint a pink "P" on your back if you are gay.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah straight people have equivalent outliers, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are the get-laid douchebag dudes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there is the gay equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh who are youy calling a shit person?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only in a lot of cases, if you are straight your sexuality didn't have to be denied, so when you get a chance to flex it you are damn well going to take it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What for?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, I can see how I would want to be like that if I were gay.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so straight men flount thery heterosexuality by not wearing make up and ruffled calypso pants... I get your point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is my point'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I never said I think another person is of a lower class, you are jumping to that because this might be a sensitive issue for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you never answered my question'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty clearly explained - anyone who considers other people to be lesser, or to be jested over, because of a lower level of testosterone causing a higher pitched voice, is a shit person imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if we all wore makeup then not wearing it would be "flaunting"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you miss the point, because some of the people who don't flaunt their sexuality are gay.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course it is supposed to have a ridiculous effect compared to how society is supposed to look'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'those who flaunt it do it for the attention the gather.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you laugh at someone for something they have no controll over, that is thinking less of them as a person - it is called respect'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but from a moral standpoint there is absolutely no more or less validity between one and the other'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'busllshit they have no control over it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being dressed as a goth isn't illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, in fact, most of them are gay (who don't look especially like it)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, I meant the higher pitched voice'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm assuming your are American, isn't America the land of the "free"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the point is, why is it actually better somehow for them to not "be too gay"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'rofl twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said it was funny Vakieh not lower than myself. I thought they were doing that voice on purpose. And some of them do'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what is so offensive about "being too gay"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Free to be ignorant and insensitive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right because they like being gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'its a spectrum, you can be as gay or straight as you want to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So lets say some guy had to talk in a high pitched clown volice all the time, no part of your fucking brain would find that funny'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that affectation is modern. Homosexuality has been around from day one. Plato, Socrates, Aristotles, they didn't walk around dropping the soap in public. Whatever they did, they did it behind closed doors where it belongs. I don't care which way you lean, I don't want to know what you do and I don't want you to know what I do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some of them change their voice to fit in with their community? Wow, whodathunk? And if you laugh at someone for something like that, it means you have no respect for them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know, I worked a job for a minute once with a guy who was *extremely* gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and no, I wouldn't, not really, not unless he said something funny in that really gay voice'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which he would do'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It would be like looking at an amputee struggling to balance, and laughing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that sounds more like a personal stance on PDA'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So they dont have to talk like that but they do, A guy with a thin moustace and a high pitched voice is silly looking and sounding but I have to think in my head "hrm he is a serious man with beliefs and shit"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is fine'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah snooky that's a maturity thing really'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and as far as it being a spectrum, that doesn't apply. Homosexuality has nothing to do with your behavior, though obviously, that's the popular view.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least, not having the full human respect on the bottom line'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That is a stretch Vakieh being gay is not being an amputee'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, it's your sexual orientation on a base primal chemical level'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A stretch? Something they have no control over, and you are laughing at it.  Same fucking dif'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but then, are you saying that sexuality doesn't affect your behavior?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, if you didn't laugh at all at John Waters, he'd probably be offended'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah, I remember that time in the Bible Jesus saw that gay dude and laughed at him, that was great. He couldn't help it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In his defence that leper looked just like a turd.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but to not be able to respect him as an actual human being instead of a cartoon is kind of immature'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I believe that you are feigning being offended Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am not offended, I am not gay, I do not have a high pitched voice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I never said that I cant respect a gay person as a human being, I allready do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'My point is that all that public acting is done to make themselves a special interest group with all the benefits that that entails.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh just decided to assume thats what I was saying'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am, however, digusted by your manner of dehumanising people for something they are born with'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rhubarb'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define dehumanising, because I think you are using it wrong.,'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Showing a lack of basic human respect to other humans.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'homosexuality is sooo gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Laughing at people for something they are born with, or for choosing to fit in with their community by emulating those who are born with 'that voice''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I do respect other humans. I've shown more respect for gays than you have for my religion throughout this entire debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something they're born with?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get born gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Religion is not automatically something worthy of respect.  People are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, the gay people who "act gay" are the equivalent of the people we all know who like to act "extra straight"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are cartoons of that guy, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Some people do choose to be gay, some parents raise their kids crappy and then they turn gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so are you saying that that "ladies man" dude doesn't have the right to be like he does?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'holy crap'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Snooky, please google science.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually, legitimately being gay doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the hell are you talking about? Do you think that homosexual cavemen went around looking for makeup to put on? They want out and did what every other cavemen did, provide. That crap about "the woman (or man) inside" is a fiction. Samurais didn't go around acting affected even though they engaged in homosexuality. They were warriors and that is what they did. They distinguished themselves by being the best warriors they could be, regardless of what they did in their leisure hours behind closed doors. So that crap about wearing the pink "P" is bullshit. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'pretty sure you cant choose to be gay..'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so you are nopt religious so you dont need to respect a person's beliefs but they better be unflinchingly tolerant of yours? Okay gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You can choose to be stupid apparently though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what's wrong with wearing the P?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what is actually wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being gay is not a belief'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if that's the kind of gay you want to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sexual preference is a sexual preference, there's likely a genetic disposition to it, but otherwise it's a preference based on your experiences and upbringing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I find belief in fairies, Odin, God or voices in your head equally invalid opinions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say you were born liking chips'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, culture evolves, and the point of gay people putting on makeup is that they were moving into the 'female' side of the culture of the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tigernuts is right'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or more accurately, that they were not going to be bound by the purely masculine culture of the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing wrong except that it is done to attract attention, it is not  done because homosexuality drives them to do it. They (those who wear the pink P) want to be seen as a special interest group. The point of special interest group is that they see themselves as elite.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i think you are way off tiger its not the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If you raise your kids gay or let them watch the disney channel too much your gonna get some gay kids'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm not, tofting, i'm looking at my own culture'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How do you raise someone gay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Don't make 'em listen to good 'ol god-fearin white folk'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is done to attract homosexual attention'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because gays really feel elite, right'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just like straight people do with straight aesthetics'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'telling your daughter she can marry another princess when she grows up, or teaching kids about gay sex and fisting and shit during sex ed'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't know how to raise someone straight either, please enlighten me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'doesn't make them gay Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Every gay person ever was told they could be gay as a child.  All of them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you can choose to be gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nature vs nurture bullshit, i'll leave you to it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the fact that it isn't accepted the same as straight aesthetic makes it a special interest'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and no snooky, you cannot choose'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is wired into you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I worked with a guy that chose to be gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your body responds as it does'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'then got back into women for a while'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so he was bisexual'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He was bi'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people won't have an digital switch that says gay or straight'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a continuum'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one of my friends was bi also, she's with a man now'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Being curious and open to testing doesn't mean you choose to be gay. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I believe that everyone posseses a measurable amount of homosexuality'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think that more men are binary about their sexuality though than women, when it comes to it, but there's nothing proven about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets say for the sake of argument that being gay is a coice'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet that if you could choose to be gay, all women would be gay.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is wrong with that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how do you quantify gay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there is being able to appreciate the beauty of someone, male or female'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cambodia, men are more binary because of the IMMENSE stigma towards 'not being straight''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points excitedly at Seltsimees Dagnir!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there is what your body responds to sexually from a human being'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't get to choose how your body responds'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no self control?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If you can find another man handsome but not want to have sex with him. Thats a measurable amount'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you measure that against what scale?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not self control over how you feel'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'bodily arousal is a bad measure of sexual desire'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'self control over what you do, yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah most everyone has a measurable amount of homosexuality if that is what you call it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Guys get erections all the time for no reason whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Not in Texas!'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there is that and there is sexual arousal'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A moving car is enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And how do you quantify sexual arousal?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If not by bodily functions?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are discovering with men that the psychological component of the arousal and the physical component aren't always necessarily paired'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is you getting an erection, like if you have to pee, which is an erection that isn't sexual'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I "discovered" that when I was 13'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I read about a test that involed looking at pictures of men and women and the testee rates them on a 1-10 level of arousal and uses the results to find where that person is on a gay/straight spectrum'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there is being actually turned on by someone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'homosexuality is how the powers that be are hoping to solve the population crisis'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky, looking at a picture of a woman, I can then look at 10 pictures of men, but my head is still thinking about the woman.  Totally invalid test.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well the test would need you to be honost Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How do you enforce that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'science, google it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you guys are missing the point: your sexual preference is your and your partner's business. Not mine, not the other person. Yours. I have as much right to not know what you do with another person as you have the right to do whatever you want with that person.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'By making sodomy illeagal'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'sodomy is already illegal where I live'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So is any position other than missionary'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Where do you have a right "not to know" something?" You don't want to know I'm black so I have to wear white paint?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'also illegal to have sex with the blinds open'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But anaristos, why are heterosexual sex acts ok for screen, advertisment, all over the place, but a man/man or woman/woman kiss and O LORD CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN BURN IN HELL?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what's the penalty for doggie style? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oral sex is also a crime against nature in my state'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I like how you just hearing about this test from me makes it invalid. Why don't you look up sexual spectrum test on google before you jump to yopur anti semantic jib jab at me'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'people seem to think you can catch it by being around it for some reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anti semitism, eh? I would think you were as bad a person regardless of your heritage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And sex with objects if you're not married is also a crime against nature in my state.  So yeah...there's laws for ya.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei . o O ( I've done too much research in this area... )
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so you get married and then you can fuck all the objects you want?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'toys, it means'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'vibrators, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Objects deserve the same rights as the rest of us'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vakieh, I don't like movies with gratuitous sexual content, no matter the orientation. Same for literature. There are exceptions, of course. But as a rule, I find them offensive. The less they have to do with the work in progress the more offensive I find it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I simply feel comfort in the knowledge that you are a dying breed - as regions develop, religion and discrimination retreat, and eventually - it won't be tomorrow, but it will happen - all like you will be dead and buried.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that's cool that you find it offensive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, that was for Snooky, not for you - you I simply find a prude :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's just not really moral I don't think to base laws around that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is offensive, just as offensive as watching someone use the toilet. What the hell do I need to see that in a movie?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so I'm shitty, but you wish death on me and all who are like me? Fuck off dude you aint shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I hope you repent'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I accept the fact that sometimes it is require, but gratuitously? Very offensive.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I sure don't watch gratuitously gay movies'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but they should be allowed'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and why not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wish death? Nah, wish extinction.  You can have your alloted, what did god say? 120 years? (bc that happens a lot) Then you can die off and eventually your grandchildren will think of you like I hope you think of slavers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because like Anaristos, I don't prefer to watch things that are really gay for no reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's your problem, I don't watch porn no matter the orientation.  If rather have the reality than the fantasy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'gay sex is gross, fact.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Did you not hear me say google science!? Add fact to that list of things to google.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'gays like it though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do watch straight romantic comedies'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they can watch the gay ones'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a free country'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think that gays like to watch porn more so than heterosexuals?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and hitler loved killing jews, there is a Vakieh balnket statement for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure that's true'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Comedies don't usually involve sexual acts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I disagree.  The acting in adult films is quite comedic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Considering he ordered directly and indirectly the deaths of 6 million Jews, part of 14 million total camp related deaths'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'gays arent harming anyone else by bumming each other. hitler hurt the odd jew. can you see the difference??'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'AND HERE WE ARE - Godwin after what, 40 mins?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I was being sarcastic, my parents died in the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'hitler was just following orders'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your parents? Not likely, you sounding like perhaps 17'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So how does the holocaust ties in with homosexuality?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hitler killed homos too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that would mean your parents were at least 15 in 1940...which would make you in your 70's, at least...I'm thinking not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calling troll or simple delusional at this point'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There's hope, maybe it was just a troll and not a plague on society!'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If only all those pollies would just stand up, say "lol I troll u" and piss off'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'yeah and prob swings both ways'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'lol you guys are like shrews just preying on whoever does not share your perverse beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'God burned down Sodom and Gamora for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'hmm...I didn't know shrews preyed on stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pervers, eh? Did we not discuss how you were a homophobe, and your step brother has likely picked up on that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'America is a modern day Sodom or Babylon'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im not a homophobe, i do not fear them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'in denial too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wow so you guys can read mny mind now too?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, the US is decadent. No big news there. Decadence is a a sign that the "Fall" part of "The Rise and Fall..." is in effect.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God split the languages of Babylon because they dared build their Tower to high.  But sending people to the moon, and Voyager all the way to the edge of the solar system? Fuck it, I'm tired from keeping all these African children starving, helping douches win football games, and tsunamis and shit, they can deal'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm sorry I have a more diverse set of beliefs and more robust and informed opinions than you do Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Informed opinion - the bible is not an acceptable source on the bible's validity.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'informed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei gets a blank look on his face.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So you assume that the bible is my source of everything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Kindly produce citations for your work, Vaklieh or we will have to delete your text. Also, if you would be so kind as to throw in one or two eyewitnesses to the events you describe, it would be much appreciated.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No - pretty good excuse though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What events are they?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Snooky, is your idea of "robust and informed opinion" this: "gay sex is gross, fact."'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'trolling?... this channel should just be called "troll"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the splitting of languages and such, Vakieh :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, to that I have to ask - when did you try it to find this information out?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I walked in on my step bro powerbottoming another dude'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I personally believe it's bullshit, but as for the Abrahamic belief, start here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'it was gross'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Should've knocked'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you told him "you having sex with another man is gross" - bet he felt just great about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it had been your sister, would it have been less gross?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Still gross from a family perspective but yeah less gross'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the answer is yes, you need to seek professional help.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Sigh, let's back up...Do you know what a fact is?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know what a fact is, gay sex is gross to me, fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: ''to me' being the required qualifier there'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You do NOT kno '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think you do know what a fact is'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact that city states like Babylon, Sodom, Gomorrah, were destroyed is really not that significant and I doubt if they had to do with the wrath of god. Those are but a few of the city we know were destroyed. I but there are 100s more we have never heard about.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Something can't be a fact only to you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its a fact that I belive that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'fact and god should never be used in the same sentence'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'were you slightly jealous?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'sure it is, but that's not what you said'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's a fact that you have that opinion. See how that works?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay semantics police, lets go after everyone then an not just the jew'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God being real, the bible being correct about what god is/does, and starving children in africa.  One or more of those 3 things cannot be true.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky, present another person who holds your beliefs and I will call them just as shitty as you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Semantics? You don't know what a freaking fact is. Please stop accusing people of wishing death on you when you can't debate over a 4th grade level.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Snooky you are stuck with a program, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Also, we really need to talk about this Christian/Jew thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'o? We do?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know what a fact is I just used it wrong on purpose because saying "Gay sex is gross, opinion" just isnt as funny'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can't be a Jew to be anti-semited against and yet be a Christian.  Hebrew Christian perhaps, but not Jew'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I can be whatever I want'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am a unicorn.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, and here I thought that a Jew was a racial thing. It declared membership in a certain gene pool. I didn't know that there was a difference between a Jew and a Hebrew :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but other people can't be whatever they want to be, because some of those things are gross?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shit, no horn.  And no hooves.  Screw it I'm getting a beer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'To me Jews are the decendants of Shem :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Shem brother of Hem :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You can fuck whatever you want and I have the right to think if it is gross or not'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Snooky person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take a valium, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Quit putting words in my mouth'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I have the right to call you a homophobe for those beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'But drinking fermented wheat is almost like eating animal food which is almost like beastiality, thus drinking bear is kinda like beastiality.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we get to tell you're intolerant for saying so, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Ixle.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fact: drinking beer is the devil.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'gross is ok. immoral is not ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And you have the right to be a pompous D-bag'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'you can convert to judaism, Anaristos, and you're treated equally as those born into it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Intolerant...is this like antiracism again?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'antiracism is discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, guys, pass the drugs around, don't drop and talk and expect those who haven't dropped to follow your conversation.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's good, Tigernuts. If you don't like a bigot you are a racist. I love that one :) Kudos to you :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think I really just need to dwell on the whole "you are a dying breed" thing, smile, and continue getting my beer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'where are yoiu giuys getting this bigot shit from?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i get so fucking sick of everyone calling everyone else "bad" names just because they dare to have a fucking opinion'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I dare to have a fact.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When those 'bad' names are descriptors of opinions, they are quite warranted'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't presume to consider fact and opinion to be equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i need to get fact'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, frankly, I am not sure that it can be proved that there are any real Jews around. When Judea was destroyed, the population scattered to the 4 winds and mixed with other gene pools.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't serve the same purpose'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh I understand that being hyper pro gay is in right now and that you have a need to be popular'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They can if Snooky wants them to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Someone who believes in creation is a creationist.  Someone who believes gay sex is 'gross' is a homophobe.  Simple language right there.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone wants to live a Jew, then let them live as a fucking Jew. As long as they're not setting fire to your bush, what does it matter to you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I explained that Ixle drop that and learn a new trick besides semantics'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You also called him shitty'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter to me, but that doesn't mean I can't wonder if the gene pool is actually extant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so if you dont enjoy gay porn you are a homophobe?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If 'living like a Jew' is screaming antisemitism because people think she is a bad person, then yes, she can be a Jew'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, Snooky, that's the immediate implication'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can call yourself a Jew if you want, doesn't mean you are one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'This is america right now in the north'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'you can think gay sex is gross without being homophobic'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Canada, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the indication from others here, Tofting, is that you cannot'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If you arent gay or practically about to be like Vakieh you are a bigot and they start laying into Jesus and the bible and shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is what's wrong with so much of society these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Snooky, are you drunk?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'you can't say things like comparing homosexuality with beastiality, and "gay sex is gross" without being called a homophobe is more like it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've swung from not caring about stuff like that, to being discriminatory, to flipping to the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And no, it doesn't matter that you qualified your camparison with "not that I'm comparing"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am about to be gay? QUICK, BRING A CAMERA'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's God punishing you for drinking beer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't mince about with a manbag, wear a earring and use hair products, and think sticking your willy up another man's bottom you're homophobic'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that's the whole problem. You want to claim you are not a racist, but you won't sit next to certain minorities on the bus. You certainly won't let your daughter marry one. But, yeah, you are not a racist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh puts on his Attenborough voice: "And here we have the moment *dramatic pause* where the elusive almost-gay takes the final plunge into homoerotic, Satan worshipping gayness"
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just in the same way as if you don't agree with abortions, you're anti-womens rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Is that why there were half a dozen states that got constitutional bans implemented prohibiting same-sex marriage last year?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion is murder to me, but I support a states right to allow it....hers goes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being anti abortion is being against women choosing to abort, and therefore against women choosing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the details, leinei, but i'm guessing there's some sort of state-level indicatory link between the definition of marriage and religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Tigernuts, you can be antiabortion without supporting legislation to take that choice away from someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can, ixle'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately democracies don't work like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and gay marriage should be a states rights issue and not a federal one'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yes they do'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no they fucking don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most people that think being gay is wrong are secretly gay. make that all, not most.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's why it's called "pro-choice"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Democracy is an excellent way of majority v minority oppression.  But YAY for the Free America'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have loads of shit inflicted on me as illegal because other idiots have different opinions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is the nature of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Sounds like you're straying, but the only people I hear being accused of being anti-women's rights are the ones trying to restrict their "choice" to do what they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gay marriage shouldn't be a state thing, shouldn't be a Federal thing - it should just be, and the gov can gtfo of it all'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, vakieh, completely wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Crazy we live in a world where if you dont like sodomy and killing babies you are a bigot and a shitty person'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, snooky, it's a bit backwards isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am of the opinion that women should be the deciders. I don't think I have a right to force someone else to have a child I wouldn't support. I think that those who want women to bring unwanted children to term should step up and take responsibility for them. It is hypocritical to tell someone else not to do something and then have them live with the consequence of following your advise while you go on about your business.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Marriage should just be something between 2 people. Noone else should be involved.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '2 or more.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'completely right you mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Consenting adult and consenting adult, repeat as needed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want to marry your 7 best friends and your dog, I'm fine with it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(not the dog)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hell I'm against divorce more than any of that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same goes for divorce.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Again though because of religios beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'ugh, I am drunk btw'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hm, I actually agree with Anaristos for once.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'should be allowed to marry nore than one too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stop interfering in other peoples life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am against marriage. I do favor contracts, though. Contract law is sufficient to handle the needs of society.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God also says in either Deuteronomy or Leviticus you must marry your rapist - what do your religious beliefs tell you there?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the gay marriage argument in the UK is actually just over the definition of the word 'marriage''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's what it is in some states in the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no difference in legal rights between married heterosexual and married homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There should be no legal difference between married and unmarried couples.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Many US states have civil unions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My state just passed a constitutional amendment last may defining the only legal union as a marriage between a man and a woman'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't think there is anything wrong with marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'i.e. unmarried couples have no legal rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My country has it done well - de facto = married.  Now we just have a little aesthetics fight for universal marriage as a word, and we're done with that round'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't need to do anything special. Just make a contract with someone. The legal infrastructure is already in place and back by lots and lots of case law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would hope that my relationship with my spouse is more than just a 'contract''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a marriage like anaristos says, is a neat legal package that allows the state to offer certain benefits'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after all, the reason the state meddles is because of the financial ramifications more than anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the eyes of the tax man, it need only be a contract'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that's all it need to be. It would be simpler for 2 people to go to a lawyer draw a contract and live by it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the good thing ABOUT the way -your- country works, is that you can get your state rules changed'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'a constitutional amendment is a whole heck of a lot harder to change than a regular law'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so, it'll be around for a long, long time'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm saying that if you want rights, make a contract. If you want to marry, do that. Those should not be connected. Imho. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be, but it's still easier to achieve at a state level'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can all it marriage if you want, Starling. But a contract would insure that all obligations would be met by all parties for the specified amount of time. Now you can get married on Monday and be divorced by Friday.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'me idea would be that two people would agree to meet certain obligations for a determined amount of time. After that they can either go their separate ways or reneww.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'how would a contract change that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"you broke the contract, I want a divorce"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because a contract is more binding than a marriage and cleaner, too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just because someone signs a contract saying they're not going to sleep with your sister doesn't mean they're not going to'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Then again, I don't know if I want to ever get married, seems like a lot of hassle if a divorce is necessary'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'from the legislator's point of view, that's all marriage is - a special type of contract'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Whereas, if you're merely dating you can break up and it's easier.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, you break the contract you suffer the penalties specified  in the contract.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not that breaking up is easy, but it seems easier than involving lawyers and courts'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though breach of contract could be a way to dissolve the contract, it would be very costly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'how's that any different than a prenup?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what would happen then would be that people would first sign short term contracts, 1 to 5 years probably. If they see that they are compatible they may opt for longer contracts after the expiration of the first, or even take a change on a permanent contract. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So a 1 term contract and going your separate ways is somehow better than a divorce?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it doesn't work out, the dissolution clause of the contract kicks in and everyone walks away.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I doubt it would end up that simple though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Isn't that how a divorce works?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know lawyers and possibly court would be involved anyway, disputing this or that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '9/11 was an inside job you guys'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, because it is done under a controlled environment. The parties know exactly what they agreed to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US jobs figures didn't look good'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'As does every single person that signs a prenup'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Snooky.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, a prenup is basically a good idea, but usually one-sided.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You don't think these contracts of yours will be, too?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'e.g. "X doesn't apply here because duress exists, Y was misrepresented from the beginning, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc."'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in Norway, most of the rules people would typically add to that kind of contract are automatic for cohabitation anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or are you suggesting required contracts drafted by people not involved in the contract itself?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so it's like 0.7x marrige or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the contract I am thinking about would make both parties expose the assets they are bringing in.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I cant wait until gay people are each in their like 42nd marriges because their relationships are so fleeting unless they are both old'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the prospective partners would go to a contract law specialist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Would be simple if the parties always represented their assets accurately, which they won't'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not saying they would be intentionally deceptive, just that mistakes would get made, and you end up in court anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's true, Starling. I would make that a clause in the contract with attendant penalties.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the typical elements of those contracts could be set up on a gov't website, not need to involve lawyers, filthy things'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Lawyers are good Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Forcing people to sign a contract that they weren't a part of creating, in order to get recognition from the government is a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Like..when under 10k feet of ocean?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's one thing if they wrote it themselves, but you're suggesting required clauses'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'when it comes to comprehending the law\'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Leinei's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but if you are make the contracts proactive then it doesn't matter what assets the parties have, since only the declared assets would be involved.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they read the laws so you don't have a stroke trying to do it yourself'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'reading is h4rd '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have a law degree myself, so I don't get strokes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I bet you consider lawsuits frivilous and want less of those too right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Snooky.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would say for instance. I will only contribute $xxx to the partnership. If I get a raise, that's no problem. If I lose my job I am in breach'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'ahhh america'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in particular, US tort law is 80% crazy, it seems..'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most law is crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most law could do with being repealed, go back to some basics + a jury of peers'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So "'til death do us part, in sickness and in health" is now changed to "as long as you keep your job"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hey guys Ixle wants you guys to think he is smart, lets all validate him so he doesnt cry'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I wish I could agree with you Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no, as long as you honor the contract :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I want to believe the same thing, but then I am reminded of who some of my "peers" are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I have to check out that one "Illegal monkey living on Frosted Flakes"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm sorry, but a marriage is a emotional partnership, not a business agreement.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is you can work around situations where your income dries up, I just made that an example. The whole point is that major events as change of income are discussed prior to the marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Exactly. So, move the business part out of marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the partnership, that is :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'lol at your web adress Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my name is Mike'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are also intangible issues such as leisure time, division of work, etc. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'None of which a couple should be forced to decide before a marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why cant it just be about the love baby? Get those contracts out of here, women dont have anything to worry about anymore they make almost as much as men and some of them work just as hard.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all this can be put into the contract. Right now all that is left to chance, the prospective partners go into marriage with no idea how things are going to work. Contracts would force the partners to think ahead, far enough to complete the contract successfully.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody should be forced to anything just because they get married. It should be up to everyone to decide for themselves if and how their relationship contract should look.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it would be a real commitment rather than a fantasy trip.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"I've really grown to love you during these 20 years that we were married, and I couldn't live without you, but you lost your job, and the contract says that I have to leave you.  Sorry"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And religion should defintely not be part of any legal contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Ranrr. That means that either partner can do what they want without regards to the expectations of the other partner. That's a great recipe.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Why the heck should these huge decisions be made before a couple is ever married, rather than after they've been married for 20 years and can make much more informed decisions?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because they are important. They go into a partnership with the view to build something out of it and they commit themselves to it, and they put it into a contract to profess that commitment and bind themselves to it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Marriage should not be endorsed by the state. It should remain as nothing more than a ceremony. People should be able to be in as many relationships as they want.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I want to participate more in my kids' upbringing and do more housework in exchange for working less and making less money, and my wife is fine with that, I shouldn't be allowed to because 20 years ago, I agreed that I would make 60% of our family's income?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they choose to do so, yes. Unless they make a oral or written contract otherwise. It's no different with the current system.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the sheldon system of having a relationship agreement is pretty good, tbh. I think I'll try that next time :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And if you want to, more power to you.  But you shouldn't be forced to an agreement of which someone else wrote 90% of.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Leinei, that's all fine, but to leave it as a vague goal is one of the problems that plague marriages. "I thought you were going to do that and you didn't" is a familiar accusation. Followed by "Well, if he/she won't do that, I won't do the other thing either"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a recipe for disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And forcing someone to stay in a loveless marriage will turn a disaster into a resounding sucess?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what love got to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'love has everything to do with a marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'make the contract for one year, at the end of the year renew it for another year, if you are so afraid that you are going to stop loving you partner.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hell make the contract for 90 days.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The point being what?  That a contract will make a marriage more likely to suceed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Hungary is in diplomatic problems with USA after it banned Montsanto from planning GMO stuff in their country'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Our grandparents didnt have these problems, what the fuck is worng woith us'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but for whatever amount of time, you can't shirk your commitment. Something you can do now with the current partnership.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Again...why force people to stay in a loveless marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I heard about that Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your grandparents understood honor :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'USA needs to ban Monsanto from planting crops here as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you can't commit to a 1-year contract, you shouldn't be married to that person anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA has been talking about trade wars with countries that refuse to let Montsanto pollute them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are wikileaks bits about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, between this and gay-ifying america the NWO is trying to fuck us all really hard and gross. Grosser than gay sex'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'chill, Snooky :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=07PARIS4723'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI begins installation of $1bn face recognition system across american'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not all divorces are "omg, I want to run away and abandon my spouse"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ya know whats funny Monsanto products are banned from the cafiterias of Monsanto employees'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Most divorces are caused by todays fickle women'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but not banned from CVS and Walgreens :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'BTW, it's illegal to get divorced in my state in the first year unless you get the marriage anulled.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And it's strictly enforced'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Can anyone give me a good reason to vote for Mitt Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Leinei, that's great but that doesn't solve the problem. Because the marriage you speak of has no internal dynamics that can be pointed to. They "fell in love" and got married, a week later she found out she couldn't stand the guy so now she's stuck with him for a year. Had they sat down and attempted to construct a year of their lives they would have had a better chance to find out they were not compatible before they committed to anything. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not Obama, doesn't support huge increases in the welfare state that will lead to the further collapse of the economy, isn't a communist and doesn't want a collectivist, all-powerful central government that runs roughshod over the constitution and accepted powers of member states'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the first 3 words should be enough for any sane american'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You act like people get married a day after they meet.  Some people are together for decades before they got married'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You think signing a piece of paper is going to make them more likely to want to stay with each other?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and besides, love in my scenario would be a bonus, not a requirement. The contract specifies that target so that's what they are committing to, if they love each other, they will probably renew, if they don't, they won't, but at the end of the year they can claim something tangible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My wife and I got divorced 5 or 6 years ago.  We still love each other, and still did while we were getting divorced.  It was a mutual decision we both came to.  We both decided that each of us had a better chance of being happy not married to each other.  Drafting and signing some contract before we got married wouldn't magically made us both happy together.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no requirement for people to commit to a contract at a particular time, all I am saying that  marriage, as it stands, doesn't work. Contractual partnership has more to offer because the minimum goal is clearly stated and the partners commit to bring that goal about.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people are just obsessed with bits of paper and rules and laws'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'way too much imho'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we didn't live in an overbearing nanny-state authoritarian surveillance grid, this whole issue would be mute'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, the US has enough money for a whole heap MORE helpful gov. run things, if they simply drop their military spending to only 10% above the second runner.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And you mean moot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and moot'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think marriage, as it stands, works just fine.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'other than all the laws getting passed restricting who can participate in it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well neither party is planning that, but only one is planning smaller goernment'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like here in the UK - we don't need higher welfare, we just need less/fairer taxation and less interference'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Only one party is planning on moving gov help out of certain things.  Guess where that money is going? Not lower taxes, I can tell you that.  More guns and tanks? You betcha'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that smaller goverment comes at a price'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then it's clear you need to vote third party'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'we need the US to get rid of most of their bases around the world too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and cut off aid to Isreal while they're at it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i could pull $15bn out of the UK budget in one swoop by returning overseas aid to an actual AID budget'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that the a partnership based on some fictitious romantic imperative is doomed to failure, statistically speaking. The drive to mate that we all feel is not a basis for marriage. That drive was simply codified at the genesis of civilization and  the idea has been beaten to death. It is time to look at the dynamics of civil partnerships in a new and more relevant light.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And if a partnership based on romantic imperative fails...so what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'What's the big deal?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no big deal, I agree. But tell me, why are there divorce lawyers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because there are divorce laws'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the state codifies the disruption of the marriage in a one-size-fits-all way and you say that is better than committing to a contract and dissolving it naturally.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'dissolving it naturally?  You think introducing binding contracts to the situation would decrease the need for divorce lawyers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the contract has an expiration date.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they would disappear.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'doesn't change the fact that they're in effect until they expire'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more rules = more need for lawyers'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Lawyers deal with laws'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's why they're called lawyers'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, the contract is entered because the partners want to archive some tangible goal. Whether they love each other or not has no effect on the contract. You can become the partner of a person that you may respect, but not love and commit yourself to carrying out certain tasks for the mutual benefit of both partners, as your partner also commits. Simple.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the contract codifies a pooling of resources, that's the basic premise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And while you're in that loveless partnership, you're prohibited from participating in a loving partnership'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Unless you're also advocating polygamy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's up to the partners, and if they agree that as long as that doesn't impair the goal, they may agree to separate intimate lives.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is, again, beside the point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think it's beside the point at all.  If the goal of a marriage has nothing to do with love, what types of goals are you suggesting?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think that love is the centerpiece of the partnership. I say that it is irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you're getting married for some reason other than love. then I think you're getting married for the wrong reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who said anything about marriage? I said a partnership, love may enter into it but not contractually.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We've been talking about marriage this whole time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '2 people needn;'t love each other, they only really need to respect each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So what exactly are your proposed "goals" of a partnership?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's up to the partners. The goals can be as varied as there are person pairs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, what's the difference between this partnership and any other business agreement/contract?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, as an obvious corollary, 2 is only the minimum :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Say, the one I sign when I started work at my job?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'acutally, there is no difference, except that the contract may call for goals that are not found in the normal business community.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Such as?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'body wash'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's say, as a trivial example, that they commit to spend a month living in luxury in some exotic country. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can do that with anyone I want right now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heck, I did do that a few years ago, but replace "exotic country" with "3-bedroom house"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the contract for a year and the carry out this goal. At the end of the year, they find that they are congenial and renew the same contract ore amend it to point to other goal(s).'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Love and Marriage Love and Marriage, go together like a horse and carriage this, I tell ya brother, ya cant have one without the....ooooootherrrr Love and marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they may even decide on a 5-year contract this time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is mostly a lot of balls, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I just don't understand why you're trying to replace the traditional marriage system with this, when it doesn't provide anything at all that a normal business contract would provide.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if they decide to have children, they can state post-contractual obligations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'wouldn't provide*'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're arguing over legal positions of marriage for the purposes of fair dissemination of property in a world which is at risk of entirely collapsing, finanacially, morally, and literally'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh yeah, that's what we need more of.  Children with parents who don't love each other'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'becuse traditional marriage doesn't really work, it only works randomly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to say there are bigger fish to fry is an understatement'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You know how many contract lawyers there are?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In which way is the world collapsing morally?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is corrupt and greedy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you really put too much emphasis on this fictional thing you call love. The need to reproduce is what originated the idea of marriage, and things haven't changed that much. Though the rituals and lore have increased practically without bound.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and decadent and immoral'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'culture and governments have steered people away from the idea of personal responsiblity'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'hah, love fictional.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's been that way for at least 100k years. That's status quo.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei comforts SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we now have entire populations who are victim-trained'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'love is fictional in the sense you use it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I hope you have the chance to have the experience to change your mind.  I really do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because I can assure you it's not fictional.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw a great story though, about a 93yr old war veteran who shot a burglar that was threatening him'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If you can show that people who don't love each other (in the sense you mean) but respect each other nonetheless can't be nurturing partners I won't say another word.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought that was awesome'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I seen that on Infowars Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would have been ever better if he didn't shoot him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was on a bunch of places, Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Isn't that exactly what you're arguing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That you don't need love?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Matt Drudge, think is where I picked it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know thats just where I seen it first, I watch infowars soley for entertainment value mostly. I think it was you who recommended me Natural News awhile back and Ive been keeping up with that on a serious tip.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I never said love equates to a sucessful marriage.  I'm proof of that myself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am stating that respect is sufficient and necessary for nurturing a family. I am further proposing that partners that respect each other can commit to custom contracts to carry out these goals, rather than have the state make generalized rules to goad them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Ranrr, what would you suggest the old man had done instead of defend his house?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was being threatened, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'What exactly do you think the cause of the high rate of divorce is?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mutiple intruders, one kicked the door in from his basement to where he was waiting and started threatening, he just shot'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fickle women cause divorce today, mostly at least'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'dissipation of commitment.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was totally in his rights to, and that's one less shithead that will be housebreaking in the future'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'winwin'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those others that were robbing with him might think twice in the future'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'commitment to what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to the partnership, either partner found that they had better things to do elsewhere and had nothing to bind them to the heretofore agreed goals.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if there's any doubt, i'm totally supportive of "stand your ground" laws for defending your house, and wish they'd implement them here so that we didn't have naff and bunk'em interpretations of the existing law here which is supposed to offer a sensible balanced version of the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but because of idiot judges, people can't rely on it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'subject ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the partnership starts out with concrete goals, it has a much better chance to reach that goal and successfully end the contract.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I moved in with my wife after the divorce to help her pay her bills.  I was there for her when she had a miscarriage.  I gave her my own bed to sleep in when she was afraid of her husband beating her.  I can assure you, a lack of comittment had nothing at all to do with our divorce.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That makes you sound like a doormat Leinei'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit unfair, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'defacto - what is the stance on that status ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because you divorce someone doesn't mean you don't care about them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I certainly will not pry and I won't speculate and I won't use what you just said to support my argument or revoke yours. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I'm in a similar situation sans a marriage but with a child between the two of us'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just means the relationship is not fulfilling a parties percived needs imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you still miss my point, I can say.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pls - restate original argument ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well has a GOOD marriage ever ended in divorce?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '<-- sober '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You don't believe in love.  That's all I really need to know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i believe so, Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are of the opinion that marriage obeys a law of nature. Marriage is  human construct.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not why most marriages end'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oooh a great topic ! '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally hate the topic, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe in love, I have experienced it. I am stating, though, that love is not sufficient or necessary for a successful partnership.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have we gone down the road of the 7 year itch yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I believe people buy into tv and movies culture and makes people think that their marriage is unfullfillng when it actually is'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats why wives leave they husbands and do awful things and just fuck their kids over'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I'm not arguing that.  I am arguing that there is a place for the thing that you're trying to get rid of'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There are contracts signed all the time between people that don't love each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK 75% nurture 25% nature - nature says we breed n then leave the relationship - 7 years from go to woe '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't see how what you're suggesting is any different than those'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pretty emotionaly loaded topic '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'this topic is so weak'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not for him :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'maternal instinct is the highest priority in all higher order mammals imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The times determine what is best for our children'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not trying to get rid of love, I am taking care of the necessary things that must take place without clouding perception with hormonal output. You can do all the emoting you can stand once the contract is signed. But to go into partnership based solely on an ephemeral emotion is a recipe for disaster. Not 100 % guarenteed that it will self-distrust, but the groundwork for its distraction is certainly laid out.  '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I disagree if i read you right . imo there are a set state of developmental conditions that need to be met for development of an individual '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'agreed Anar - but .. hmm lang ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'love is a feeling you have for someone, there is no law of nature that says that that is a basis for reproduction. What drive us to reproduce is not love, love is the emotion that may exist after we have sated our mating frenzy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'try the differance between that n haiku ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'love is the cross between programmed endorphine rellease and an rational mind imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both emotions are necessary to fulfill our humanity, but confusing them can have far-reaching repercussion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Part of the issue is the fac that you think love is ephermal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I'm sorry, I love long before my "mating frenzy" is sated'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are porgammed for feeling X for a "type" rational mind vetoes the relationship / crush as viable ? lets not jump into Jungian stuff yet - defensive containment etc '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the "love" that most people use to jump into marriage is. The feeling want gets when one meets a partner is not love, it is, like it or not, lust.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I love my ex-wife, and I know I will never mate with her.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Love sucks, the person I'm in live with is someone who I didnt work with nor would I ever be able too in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Love with not live with'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you love her now, you didn't love her when you "feel in love", you lusted after her (pardon the statement).'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys pare this back to essential elements if you wann nut this out imo - really loaded issue ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the natural sequence. You meet someone and you are overwhelmed by emotion and you call that emotion love, but love will come, if at all, after that emotion disappears.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is love ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'baby dont hurt me'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz was not ment as trite'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what I mean by ephemeral.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I wasn't "overwhelmed with an emotion I called love" when I first met her.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greek division of love prevail ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well,  I don't know what you felt, and maybe "overwhelmed" was a bit over the top. But you felt something powerful at some point after you met her.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eros agape etc ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he feel like he needed a dump?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Leinei I dont want to pry, but this ex wife of yours seems jive too me. What made her not be with you to be with a man that might beat her and be in your bed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not like she left me for him'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women can be terribly divisive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We've been apart for nearly 6 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you left her or was it mutual?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '100% mutual'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have seen time and time again - settling until you can trade up - beware !'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we both decided that each of us had a better chance of being happy elsewhere.  And that's all we cared about -- each other's happiness'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Tzadkiel person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Never decided to give it another shot?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting study done on USMC officers - bout trading up'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'proves hypothisis '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh man Tzad, military wives can be the worst whores ever in the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'it's really sadf'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm fem but I share ur taste in women mate :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'who me?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you like fem ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so do I '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats cool, the bible doesnt say shit about lesbians lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei . o O ( I think Tzadkiel must've missed the conversation a couple of hours ago... )
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet to have a real relationship but I know what I like '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you will don't worry'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Fuck the bible - masoginist piece of shit !'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hell yeah'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit deb ! this is why I stay in curse !'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz R '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's written like the shittiest grapevine of all time'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just logged on '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So...I heard that Obama was born in Kenya'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok catch me up on earlier / '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? was ment to be '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that appears to be a double-bluff, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said gay man sex was gross and everyone blew the fuck up on me'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'how so Tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'was that a fake cover up to cover up that he is an ex CIA agent?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's all up in the air because not all the facts are known because of deliberate obfuscation on the part of the relevent people and deparments'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'him? no, just to cover his origins and upbringings'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and his father'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the saying goes: "Who's yer daddy?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm WWII Russia ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, it looks like the evidence points at Frank Marshall Davis Jnr is Obama's real daddy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I let it all hang out here - ask R - I'm her constant headache - better since I started to regulat my drinking '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'WWII russia IS Russia Tzan lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WWII Russia is USSR'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't mobilize me - no chance of calling it off - comms suck :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You know what I mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So whats the point of covering up Obama's real father?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki ! *hug tackle !'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moved in serious communist party circles and CIA involvement'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'McCarthy rears it's head again.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're putting forward your man as a candidate, you really don't want that coming out'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you do? Make it about Kenya'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then put in a birther story to muddy it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can imagine total sellout to be where he is '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, Obama might be the most MGS character president we have ever had.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'MGS?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Besides LBJ who was actually in Snake Eater'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they're using it all, if there were no truth and no PURPOSE to it, they'd just release his birth certificates and even DNA samples to get over it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LBJ ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LBJ sounds like he was a toe-rag'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts - give in to one demand of the opposite party, and you give ground.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Metal Gear Solid, it's a video game. LBJ is Lindon B Johnson, the US president in 1964 I belive'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wan decode the acronyms pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I just did kind of lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LBJ was the one that "took over" after the Kennedy Conspiracy, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'shit yes I belive so'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz to be a navel gazer but some of the last banter was Tz related - wanna expand / '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wish you would shut up'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Then who was president in Snake eater then? I cant remember now'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Who Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I with yo momma would shut up when I get the strapon out '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Strap ons are okay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have a secret crush on Starling :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think I am developing a crush on you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to know how screwed I am? 1/2 acre building plot, $350,000'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Would you ever be into a guy who has morals and values?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'median wage, $30,000pa'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why would you ever want a guy ? defective units imo :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We have our own built-in equipment'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guys are good for heavy lifting.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snook fem - damn mate really unfortunate name !?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyone who opposes the 2nd ammendment is a misinformed idiot'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes it is a very unfortunate name'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran  -(choose ur own nicname here) I can lift heavy stuff to - or get a machine ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz Oz here 2nd amend ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'what kind of machine? Are you gonna vibrate that couch up the stairs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tickets for forklift n front end loader her e'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No I am not butch '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad as a squirrel in a turban, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tzad The 2nd ammendment is a part of the US constitution which states we have the right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL yep - got a few ros loose in the top paddock .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'backed up in many states by local version there of'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tzad you seem like a drunk party girl lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, you have the right to be bent over by the government and butt-raped'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I carry   - is Totally illegal in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Conceal carry just got legalized in Wisconsin where I live. Best thing our shitty govener ever did'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I practice with a .22 mag but carry a .45 - ammo aint cheap '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Where are you from Tzad? Oz is a prison show on HBO I dont think you are from there'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Oz = Aus'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ahh okay Thank you Randy'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do it mate - just run over the US army field mannual or get into Krav Maga - - but get into a range as often as you can - if you have bush where you live set one up '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Randy won 3mill in one dice roll, that man is the god dammed devil'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we all live on dice rolls - any ex-D&D player will appreciate '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh yeah, I have a lv12 Cleric that I still play a few times a year'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz isn't common slang for Australian ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not to a dude from Wisconsin lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I don't get out much - lol hmm - got brough up in a backwards place - went backwards and only now going forwards - thanks in part to the ppl here '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh clerics - lol was always an NPC with Dads mob - Drow clerics ain't bad to play though '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hey we are having free drinks at Snooky's pub'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Finger snooky for directions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bottle of vodka in Tz's freezer - trying not to '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh what you look like - that thing from reality TV is really doing myy head in '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im a dude'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but what like ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'myspace.com/meccaofhardcore'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz only here - scripts - U know '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dont speak Foster's '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'noone drinks Fosters in Oz - and describe now - never going there '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and FYI I'm mad as a cut snake '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why are you mad? Let's "debate" this.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ok ground rules are no swearing in goss and no creation of immaginary constructs '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone wanna warn this dude ? seems nice ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What are you talking about, I do not understand >_<'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what are the curse rules in deb R ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'anything goes in the Debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I drink too much - can be a lil off kilter '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurv pulled me up on it the other day n I'm working on it '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys ? help ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What do you need baby?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I may not be the same each time you chat with me '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats okay my ex BM is like that too, hates me one day indifferent the next and wants to fuck the day after that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok drinking now - vodka n homemade lemonade chaser :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'mmm lemonade'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I drink George Killian's Irish Red'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'handcrushed lemons - lisbon lemons - damn lotta sugar there '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what basic type ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That'll keep you up. A hyper drunk is a good drunk'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '80  proff ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Craig construct ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tzad are you fucking hammered allready? It looks like you are mischanning ewverything'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - these already deb topics - soz I don't do protocol well - a lil over it - shoot straight from the hip - thats me '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my keyboard sticks and for various reasons I can't spell FYI'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What do you think about the Carbon Tax law being enforced in Aus?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they didn't get on the gravy train early - gov- and we are never gonna get this boom again - and we are not spending the proceeds on training - meek gov finally trying to claw back revinue on a booming industry - ie mining - reduces our comparative advantage - see mining winding ddown if it gets thru  and we'll be left with big holees in the ground and nothing else '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but the libs will get the next fed election ? maybe repealed but the core issues will not change imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh Vaki n Scurv are the functional Ozzies here - they know thier stuff when they say they know '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personally - working on a few tickets to get out there n get paid before it all goes to shit '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to where?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'abortion IS murder'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just a few issues in the wayy - need to be certafied as a ..... decent worker b4 that - just getting machine time on the side thru a mate '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where would you go?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy - unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Australia is a terrible country for censorship'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mining industry - east 6 fig salary - can already opperate 50% of the machines '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and they have a bitch ass prime minister, she is a tru cunt'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you say you're leaving oz - where would you go?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'frontend laoder I'm a gun !'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol just need to keep it together ... hmm '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'need to create a balance between ? IDK any ideas ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't be on any of this - IDK ? mentor don't want me to go '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to find an Island, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'speeding toward a brick wal - already fucked my pilots ticket . I think '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't pass security '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'serfs don't get to fly'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck it perhaps I'll be the new world ordinance Martin Bryant - IDK'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suggestions ? get sane ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a nurse said I have been like this so long that I have rewired my head '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to get off the drugs and onto some nutrition'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i don't envy anyone trying to deal with head problems in a world that's so full of shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Smoke weed, and everything will be just fine...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I eat very well - I Was a competition swimmer - the drugs - idk if they are doing me help or harm but I can't  relapse now - I'm too wel armed - if I get done it is my last stand - at least I'm aiming for a nice life I suppose but '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're aiming for a fulfilling life, then you're probably headed in the right direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I could drink less - Scurv gave me the heads up on it - TY mate-'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I'm not aiming for breeding'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm aiming for my mentor to teach me how to walk in anothers dreams '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can pull the pin on my life  now and get the world record for a spreekill or I can keep earning and fix a social prob in Oz by - meh - ok I have 2 pathes - one aint getting rsty by  waiting for another - my mentor will teach me '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'save your violence for when it's warrented'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a random shooting spree is about the highest definition of "wack" there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes Tiggy - am no comming into my own with personal violence and war - dad  showed mr a movie called " Red Dawn" years ago - I will be better than that unless mentor decides not to teach me- in which case I'll waster his pet race - I promise '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spree kill in old form involves 30ish tally at best - I will gaurantee thousands and more to follow '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are foolish to talk about such things'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate - I AM FOOLISH'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I have had my sanity traded for ? perhaps trained ? - plan B has been my only concrete '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon be time for me to go fill up with $8.50/gallon fuel and head to the pool'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mentor will either train me or will regret not training me '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you swim ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't everyone?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I grew up in the middle of Oz .. lol no nott everyone swims atuo'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should go learn'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - nice I swam in states and national until recently '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can only swim in water... and maybe syrup.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh - gimme deep anything n I'll swim - '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the alternative ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'strung up in a doorway ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Swimming in states... dunno how that is done tho.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'deep conc. hydrochloric acid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given that HCl is a given in any pool that regulates bacteria .. interesting ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, all i can say is at least they've stopped going on about marriage :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gotta an opinion on same sex mariage Tiggy? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fancy the hell outta Vixxy :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'need to get my head straight b4 that tho '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ooh - is there a way to tell what chann someone is listening to ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my opinion is that governments should stay the hell out of the whole marriage debate, rename all of their marriage literature something else to align it under some form of legal civil partnership'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a legal contract should be between two consenting adults'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else should be down to the conscience of the marriagee and the marriager'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a particular priest won't marry a gay couple because of his religious beliefs, they should respect that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if an entire religion won't marry a gay couple because of it's religious beliefs, people should respect that too'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's about as complete and concise as I can make it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why should bigots be respected?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why should bigots be respected?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they be respected any less than antibigots?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigotry isn't relevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm afraid that my present narrcisist state provides me with projection potential that I would for a relationship on now that , working through my being taught would disappate and therefore the infatuation ? idk if that reas well '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok that don't read well '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you get my drift ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I guess that I don't see a need to force people into accepting what society says is 'ok' in their private lives, as long as they aren't allowed to force it on the unwilling ... i.e. if church A doesn't want to marry gay people/divorced people/people who are cohabiting before marriage, why should they? but the government should be totally neutral.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tofting's comments themselves imply him/herself is a bigot'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much what I said, Majic'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, I know, nuts, was replying to others.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'all i mean is why should i respect the views of a religion that is homophobic?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were translating my thoughts into English, you mean :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why should you? you don't have to. you're free to shun that religion and any practitioners thereof.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is making you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the second you put in laws because of it....'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'are you saying it is fine to be homophobic?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is legally requiring churches to marry gay people against their beliefs any different to having laws requiring black people to use a different bathroom to white?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'government should keep its hands off marriage, and not recognise marriage at all, only civil unions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are entitled to their opinions, Tofting'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then we wouldn't be having this sort of stupid problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm saying that that sort of thing is not what the government would police.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I used to think lesbianism was un natural but I know know that it has several points  for natural evidence - still having never been in a healthy relationship and being what I am - jury out / ?  not sure about attaching to someone like that ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods sonshi, that was tigernuts suggestion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'no doubt. i can be racist if i want too. that doesnt make it ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'morally ok and legally ok are not the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It is fine to be homophobic just as it is okay to be rasict. I'm nither but people need to get over it when other people are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, I just got in'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of things that I'm not morally okay with that I still don't want to make laws against.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're considerring moral codes, then you have to by definition be descriminatory'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well not BE, but be open to the possibility of'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm Pro white but not anti black ..etc - I believe I can be  pro anything and be objective about reality ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'am i discriminatory if i dislike rapists ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in one sense, yes, Tofting, you are'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ergo - I can be pro anything and anti what I consider objectively wrong ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time you choosen one flavour of drink over another you're being descriminatory'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'then anyone should be able to do anything to anyone without reproach?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't follow.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in this instance rape is against consent and is objectively wrong ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there's anyone suggesting rape isn't wrong, both morally wrong, and (in most jurisdictions) legally wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are places that I won't buy from because I disagree with their political attitudes and where they make political donations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all a big psy-op on language. People see discriminatory as instantly bad/klaxon/warning noises'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal for thme to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like dark hair - subjectively descriminatory - objectively - her hair color I'm not going to judge you beyond subjective bias '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for pete's sake, both of you, it's dIscriminate. not E! :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'hating blacks and gays for no other reason than they are black or gay is noy right to me. when people talk of discrimiation this is what they are talking about not which shampoo ill buy today'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not Pete, and i'm not interested in his sake'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people are dumb, Tofting'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in contrast - I like older women - another likes underage girls - objectively underage of consent and ergo I am in disapproval'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"discrimination" and "<insert work here>ism" are now just political tools'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In older times practicing racisim was favorable and a way for your particualar tribe to flourish'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just another thing for control freaks to batter people over the head with'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh - economic rational now rules - the rest is dross imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you mean economic irrational rules now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'illegal discrimination consists typically of bias against some feature which an individual has little or no control over, with a few exceptions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"fam friendly" networks going after the pink dollar under a shelf are a prime example '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal discrimination is the problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll give you a curly example '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as an employer in central Oz I would not employ an aboriginal and this is the reason why '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the individual cannot refuse to share with family - even extended family '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'share what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this then involves the employees disposable income - to the point of diet - '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all employment antidiscrimination laws do is encourage companies to lie'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your position sounds like it would be both illegal and immoral... There are alternative ways to go about it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why anti-discrimination laws should apply to government dealings only'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the inherent genrational welfare dependancy - any working member of the family is not able to dispose of thier income to sustain thier employment status - they suffer and so to does the employer '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ergo I advise any employer Not to employ a Oz black '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can require them to put enough of their income towards certain things... if they refuse, you can refuse to hire them'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'employers don't have the right to dictate to their employees how they spend their wages'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the US what is that legislation called Sonshi ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw questioning employing them, i wouldn't let myself be EMPLOYED by someone who wanted that level of control over me'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure they can. Ask airline stewardesses what happens if they show up with crappy footwear...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an at-work dresscode'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not an at-home lifestyle choice'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no idea, I'm not involved in hiring...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet do that in central Oz and they play the race card '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think what Sonshi is meaning is require them to put enough of their income in so that they show up at work on time (transportation), clothed, and fed enough to enable them to productively work.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '" poor bugger me - no sugur for me tea"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this doesn't require actual inspecting of their bankbooks but rather observing them when they show up and seeing if they're unable to work.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been involved in the process, though not making the decisions, and frequently see things that some would construe as discrimination on grounds of ability, age, gender, race, background'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they can show up and do their job correctly, there's no problem. You can require them, at least by my moral code, to take steps to do so...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple fact is people don't hire solely on the basis of people's ability to do a job'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they never have, they never should, and it's absurd to expect them to'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, it's hard to catch them, but having the laws at least means you can get the worst offenders'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like for botting!'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I was about to say the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's how it is with anything though, you catch the worst, or more likely/often, the dumbest offenders'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or sometimes, the ones with the most visibility, to make a public example.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'prob is where I lived is no mining activity so one of the main sources of income is welfare spending - ( we are talking towns of 1k pop where no black works and are welfare dependant)  rock the boat and loose that $ ? no '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Possibly, although those usually seem to be classifiable among the 'dumbest' category, for doing blatantly illegal shit when they knew or should have known they would be under scrutiny.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'their argument is this " It's my land and I am entitled to this" '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or people who just get greedy.  E.g. Bernie Madoff, who in their right mind honestly believes they can get away with that kind of Ponzi scheme?  The mind boggles.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Starling'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'He did'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Corzine'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bob Diamond'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean 'get away with it' as in 'never be caught''
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mitt Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Barack Obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he might have figured he had decades of high living before getting caught...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way I'd go to prison for that, I'd have a stash of emergency drugs which I'd use for a final (and ultimately lethal) hurrah.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, I guess I should note that among the practical reasons for anti-discriminatory work laws is so that you don't have some disliked minority failing to get jobs and ending up living on welfare and crime and getting more hated, eventually descending into violence, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can understand and appreciate the practical reasons for it, i was merely pointing out the flaws, and how the term has been completely destroyed in people's understanding of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really don't like the disparate impact rulings.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what it is, but sounds daft'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it does exclude legit business reasons, so it's not that bad...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice to have such laws when you are part of a minority. I am white, so I am in a minority in the world, so this is nice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can, for instance, run a pig farm and not hire any muslim pig farmers (as if they'd want to)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - non functional - ethanol an sleepers - diss last transmittions pls  - fun only now '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you care which made up entity your workers pray to on their free time?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz official but mentor insistance '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, but if you require (for example) a pre-algebra test for your carpentry business, you'll probably end up with some racial differences in the results, and the burden would be upon you to show that these skills are necessary :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'm no lawyer, but I would hope the courts would be sensible in applying these things...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in some cases they have been and in some cases not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the lawsuit costs money just to defend yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in cases which are pretty cut and dried, you could probably defend yourself...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that maybe the case in the US but in Oz  the blacks have had to do function to  gain an income and if mining ends up on thier land the royalty cheques mean they are paid over and above working citizens - hance a disparity forms'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you run a small business, the distribution of your employees can't be statistically significant anyway... and if you're a larger business, such cases probably wouldn't cost that much to defend as a percentage of your profits, so long as you have a good case'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz can't sustain this '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's better in the long run for a country not to depend too much on natural resource wealth anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'australia has been lucky in the resource "lottery", but this comes at the expense of a more balanced economy. Not as bad as the small oil-rich mideast states, of course...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 're investing in skill through resource benifit- is not something Oz has done imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how high wages are in australia, they're at a pretty high risk for a rude awakening if china implodes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should be taking the resource wealth and shovelling it into funds for a rainy day like in norway, instead of bloating wages'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'really they could be higher (wages) so many ppl are doing cash jobs on former  skills out prob is the leeches soft school/trade/ tickets are a current - mining only needs to sign off on cometency  - sudddenly urt pID AS A SPARKY - ONLY ON THIS SITE // '
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOOK i RELAAY STRETCHED MYSELG - DISREGAURD FURTHER TRANSMITIONS'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'upsetting people, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, one of france's richest people has applied to become Belgian'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Sweden wants to become a cashless society'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't anyone bothered telling them that's a really fucking bad idea?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've gone the opposite, try to use cash for everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'except for women.  because that's illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, depending on where you live...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in some jurisdictions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, they're absolutely mental'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need help'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might as well be blindly selling their souls to the devil'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they try to phase out cash here, we'll have no option than to go back to barter'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 5 finger discount'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or credit cards'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't use em'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cyber-currency, RFID, mark of the beast, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"without which no man may buy or sell"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you should be ideollogically opposed just at a free market level'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you buy with a credit card, the card company benefits financially - directly'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the whole point of credit was predatory lending, anyways'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'profit off the ignorant'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'RFIDs are easy to spoof anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, but they then have a record of your buying habits, which they share with government agencies and other companies'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Interesting and comforting, but irrelevent, Cizra'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'privacy considerations aside, why do I care that the card company benefits, if it gives me no drawback'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between direct deposit and online billpay and credit cards, there's really no reason to have cash.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you aren't given a choice, abe'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure I am'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a and b want to have a transaction, they should have a method of conducting that without c involved'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other than the fact, Hanslanda, that your worth is a number in cyberspace that someone can hit *delete* on to effectively cripple you'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I do have a method of conducting that without c'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'checks.  Still part of the cashless society.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if they do away with all except cybercurrency'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why should I choose to keep c out, if it gives me an advantage of convenience'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean me, today, not some swedish future'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't care, that's your business'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm asking why you think I should care'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you care if someone is going around putting a bullet in the head of your family?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently Sweden's on the forefront of everything.  I guess this means that if the world goes to shit, we can just blame Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how exactly are they doing something bad to my family, when it costs me nothing'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if they restricted all of your internet access so you could only access one site, or removed all the tv channels except one that you didn't want?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not on the forefront, but basically a defenseless rat-experiment society'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if you could only buy food from one store'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it wasn't food you liked'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, why the what ifs...what is the actual downside to me today'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these Democrats sure are weird.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, down sides to you are that it costs you more, means you get bombarded with crap you probably don't want'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an invasion of your privacy which you don't care about'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because you don't care about it, why should the rest of us be subjected to it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't cost me more'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not subjected to anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just stated that you pay cash'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do now, but if they get rid of cash'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so what are you subjected to while paying cash?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'robbery'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole thing was about doing away with cash'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, you're talking about hypothetical futures, not reality today'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm asking solely about today'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well what about it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why use cash when you can use cash cards?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you said that I should care, because the CC company benefits directly...I asked why I should care about that (with privacy concerns not part of it)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should care if they move to remove cash entirely'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they're not, so I needn't care about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not... yet'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're agreeing that I don't need to worry about it, here in the US in my lifetimes...kthx'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, depends how old you are'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's always going to be demand for cash-like instruments like cashcards. And as long as there's that demand, it's not going away.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be 10-20yrs away'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'removing cash means you pay via online transaction, whether that be via check, credit/debit card, or direct deposits/debits (online billpay).'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see it start by not being able to do certain things without a credit card'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Supply isn't created to meet demand'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as transport tickets, and government taxes/bills'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll see big shops refuse cash'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you've got a sort of "progress" meter there'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The end game is to use your RFID (Mark of the Beast) to pay for all transactions'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It makes it easier to monitor people, and easier to deal with dissenters'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Think "Minority Report" to get an idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, I'm just waiting for the subdermal wallet so I never forget mine'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know the score, they're doing it with these black box tracking things for cars'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're bringing them in under the guise of "this will help make your insurance cheaper"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This has less to do with actual monetary systems, and more to do with controlling people in general'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it'll be "this is required for insurance"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only in crappy backward societies... others will simply use cardcard like instruments in place of cash, where desired.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Minority Report is fully operational now.  Not just parts of it, the whole entire thing (even the role of the psychics).'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, I'm just waiting for the adjustment bureau :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, the psychics they're employing are Mr Biden's dead father'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'sweet, there's no more premeditated crime?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, the Department of War is already the Defense Department'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the FDA ensures you stay poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all the alphabet soup does the opposite of its name'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sounds like 1984'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we have always been at war with eastasia'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish they'd go thermonuclear and just get it over with'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, the psi is the internet.  Any database on any network.  Government doesn't have to break in, they've already got the keys.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then that's Person of Interest, not Minority Report :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish crazy people don't keep wanting to take the rest of us down with them...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's worse than that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want to take us all down, cuz they could'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get that choice, Sonshi, because the crazies are in charge of the asylum'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Person of Interest has the whole pre-crime thing, too?'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes hans'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want to take most of us down, then create an RFIDed slave society'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the whole point of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"The Machine"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he built an AI computer network that monitors all computer networks and predicts crime'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All those TV shows and shit are predictive programming to get the sheep ready to accept'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the point of Minority Report, too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'minority report is about people having visions about crimes in the future, not about monitoring communications and movement to determine patterns which fuzzy logic say can potentially be threats'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not even in the same plane, other than "predict stuff"'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently USA's mortgage market is so badly fucked up that people's houses who have been paid off for 10 years are being 'stolen' by banks/others whom have been sold derivatives and/or debt packages supposedly containing reference to the debt'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'citation needed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's wrong, no need for a citation.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'difference between the market being fucked up and somebody having bad records...'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course, there was an episode of Leverage on that very thing...creditor company going after homes, hoping that xx% of people wouldn't contest the charge'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that said, there have been mistakes that did result in someone with a paid-for house with no mortgage having their house repossessed.  It went all the way to court before the house was returned.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://abcnews.go.com/Business/bank-america-sued-foreclosing-wrong-homes/story?id=9637897'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for a long while, it was actually more economically sensible to just not pay your mortgage.  Nobody was going to kick you out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are dozens of stories like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all began with the removal of glass-steagall'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096e56b0d8362d91e93cf105309c3'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096e56b0d8362d91e93cf105309c3'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'anyone here have an actual good reason for voting for Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'under him my taxes would drop by around 27k per year and i wont vote for him'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ref: snooky, answer: yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy, Rockefellers preside over creation of global journalist group to "Advance reporting on religion"'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just what we all need'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Iraqi Vice President sentenced to death'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France to fun and arm al-qaeda in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sounds a good reason to invade France, to tell them to stop it'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the currency markets, god is at $1730, silver is at $33.57'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that al-qaida leaders usually have at least 2 lives?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'How do they retrieve the corpses?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a special Pentagon Morgue?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A new study has found that people who received a flu shot before the outbreak of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic were more likely to catch the swine flu virus, a startling discovery given the fact that experts have blamed the pharmaceutical industry for deliberately engineering the pandemic to make huge profits from vaccines.'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that's a proper headline'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"president of Italy's supreme court to refer 9/11 crimes to international criminal court"'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nw'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rhode Island citizen gets called by the cops after buying a couple of boxes of ammo from his local gun store'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago teachers go on strike, but that's ok, Rahm Emanuel's brood go to an elite private school'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greedy fuckers, those teachers'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'just wait till chicago become a repeat of wisconsin'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'long protest with little results'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strikes here in the UK really do the strikers no good, so they just use the threat of them instead'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they -actually- strike, people's support goes down'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'same here in the u.s. but people never think that far ahead'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany to sell submarines to Egypt'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran is set to unveil a domestically produced multi-platform cruise missile'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'if you don't follow through with an actual strike periodically, the threat of one has no power either.'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good on 'em, I say'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Moroccan immigrant was offered $1000 a month if he agreed to suicide bomb the U.S capitol'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offered by the FBI'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'California state is trying to pass legislature to make criticism of Israel or its policies illegal on campus and in schools'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to tell which religion has more psychotic freaks, Judaism, Islam, or Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The federal governments plan to destroy all data from its long-gun registry is unconstitutional, a judge has ruled, (Quebec)'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they're French, and a bit of the stupid side'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'are you making controversial statements until you get a response?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt contraversial about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'how big the boiler should be to hold a thermo.. nuclear.. blast inside so it could be turned into a nice steady steam engine?'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the size of the warhead'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'big!'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the haps ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is an Ex-CIA agent, that's whats up... he speaks farsi too'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no way !'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the right character assasination ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Right .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'feeds into the Obama O sama BS imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when is the US fed election ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n what are the numbers so far ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the left and right do not really exist. The birther crap was to throw people off the the real truth about Obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think Obama speaks indonesian - or Malay - nearly the same ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'speaking more than one language is very un-american'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what do you call someone that speaks more than 2 langs - mulitlingual - what do you call someone who is fluent in 2 - bilingual - what do you call someone that only has 1 lang - Australian or American :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and there is no more left and right. the left moved to the center and the right moved to a lunatic asylum'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they have both moved to the centre because business calls the shots imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic rationalism '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the right in Oz don't have the NRA or Xtians that are worth salt '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only fringe right I see in America ? - am I wrong ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Both parties are a danger to the second Ammendment now:('
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well, WI legalized conceal carry! Shitty Gov'na walker ftw'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that one Snook ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wisconsin'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you hammered tonight Tzad? lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Eh? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'um more detail required to understand ur last transmittion pls'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's kick ass how our crappy govener in Wisconsin still managed to make it legal to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lolol. people are concerned about the second :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about first? or fourth?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's the only one left at this point:('
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if guns are outlawed - onlw outlaws will carry guns '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and cops }:>'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's the one that will get the other ones back to if things keep going this way'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is highly illegal here to carry but I do - I value my personal saftey over some law '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: ''mericans worry about the weirdest shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'alas, bringing a gun to a tank fight doesn't do as much as it did when the second was written'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sp? again ! dammit '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Cops are doing pretty shitty with their firearms these days Abe...look at NYC'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'get katanas. you can cut through a tank with one'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a DU round - tank ? maybe Abe - btw  - glaad we are sorted - '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And all I gotta say about tanks Abe, GORRILA WARFARE...Iraq 'Nam ect '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, good old gorilla warfare'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They have tanks is a pretty crappy excuse not to fight tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol my Fav movie - Red Dawn :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, been watching too much red dawn :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hugs Abe :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we'll see how the remake is'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sux imo ... lefties involved .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's lame they changed it from being the Chinese to being Korea'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'N Korea will be anexxed by China b4 long imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Like Korea could invade the US...not saying China could either but it's more plausible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the sword is the dollar imo - go from there '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'anyways about they have tanks as a reason not to fight for our rights...what makes you feel that way Abe aside from tanks?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'N Korea is like the black market of China atm imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok path from recall ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Nothing Abe? I guess tanks are just Scawwy to you??'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'snooky: what makes you feel that I feel that way about anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dunno you said that guns won't do that much against tanks anyways...I guess that could mean alot of things. Just wanted to hear your thoughts I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guns WON'T do that much against tanks. I state the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'DU is the new tank buster- not sure it is personel weap tho '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That's pretty generalized statement, their are anti tank rifles which are guns..'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not across the subject mate - love the pub tho - R U Oz ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, and those are owned by the guys in WI with the conceal carry permits?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay see now we are getting somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes personel weapons and conceal carry weapons wont do anything to a tank...but people can.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the OZ military bleeds ordinance like a collandir - if they have it - so can I '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people can...yeah, that worked well in tiennenmen ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm talking about Stalingrad and North Africa Abe'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'totally dif situatio n imo mate '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur talking bout WWII ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iraq too'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and countless other situations...not all were victorious. But I have faith in the American people to just do it better.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, for US vs iraq, both sides had tanks...for the current middle-east, both sides are well-funded'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, but both sides are the american people'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the side that fights for tyranny CANNOT be American Abe.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'only those who fight against'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tyranny is just a word'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought in the Iraq situation the Abrams tanks  were more than a match for the old T series soviet tanks and the AH-64 killed more tanks than  the tanks did - imo tanks are dead with air suport / '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And this is a hypothetical bullshit anyways but...who says the ENTIRE Military would side with the government anyways?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's pretty easy...there won't be another side'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'First Chance Texas gets to be it's own country again it's gonna do it:P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you arguing mass insubordination ? not going to happen - we send our best and dumbest into conflicts imo - they need to think to rebel '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, you keep thinking that :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'local conflicts are just isolated insurgents, easy enough to quell'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snook - mate think b4 U type - I'm the dumbest here - I want no competition ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well allright, I hope you enjoy your new Imperial Overlords Abe, I sure won't lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you won't enjoy 'em, you'll still be under 'em ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great - al laa Red Dawn I'll have a grenade waiting for me :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'll be dead before I'm under anyone though...cept Lasher'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not dead yet'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Right because I still have my freedom'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riiight'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I am ? - change is the stability of the universe - as one Me dies another is born ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'confront me in a dark alley and atm I'll just shoot you - another 6 months of Krav and you'll be an unhappy paraplegic with neural damage :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I believe in Karma and have no prob being an intrument of it '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, guys that think they're prepared and tough are so cute'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aww I always though U were cute anyway Abe :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The point of any martial art is not to injure, but to extricate.  If you have to injure your opponent that is because you failed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you practice in front of the mirror like deniro in taxi driver, too?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you talkin' to me?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hey Vaki - I thought roughly the same - Krav is bloody awesome though '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no limits - just get the job done '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No limits? Lol, that is a pretty shitty way to teach a martial art.  Martial art is all about limits.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no is about getting the job done ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is about discipline and focus'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I want to survive and harm '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Soo...are Kung-Fu and Martial Arts the same or is Kung-Fu "a" Martial Art?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's the second part of that which is just all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'kung fu is a martial art'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kung fu is the generic name for multiple styles of Shaolin-inspired martial arts based in China'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'harm ? I want to remove opposition - we do that by harm ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay, well Valkieh some martial arts are just about killin a motherfucker'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they're not'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no not kill - can't intterogate a corpse '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hold on though, I'm using that term loosley'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, you do that by incapacitating (need not injure) and leave - if you have to injure the other person to survive, do so, but know that by reaching that point you have already failed'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Military unarmed combat is often about killing, but that is not a martial art.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Just about to ask that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Pro Wrestling is a martial art too ya know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if someone tries to harm me - I am instant justice  - lol once I get good - the opponent has no rights having given them up on attack - ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are instant justice? What makes you think you are worthy to be a judge, jury and executioner of sentence in a situation in which you have imperfect knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'll be watching the newsreel where you got your ass kicked in the alley :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He stayed in a holiday inn express last week Valkieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ones whose instinct is not to land one decent blow to wind and then flee are the ones who get 2x4'ed by the guy's friend in the shadows and wind up naked in a ditch somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wil always have imperfect knowledge - that someone attacks me is justification to take control the situation using deadly force ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Only if it is required to stay safe.  And if you need to kill to stay safe, you have failed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, pull a partick Zimmerman on they asses!'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky clears his throat loudly and looks around.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why leave a live enemy if you can do it legally ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No one has the right to take another person's life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some drunk takes a swing because you look like the exwife who stole his kid and you shoot him...(not justifying, he's still a douche, but not a douche who deserves a 12 guage to the face)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they lost a fight and accidentally dies at the hands of a 65-70 kg fem - wanna ride out the possy on those odds ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'gauge*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having popular support does not make you just'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats exactly it - I am at risk carrying a revolver atm - Krv means eventually I wont need to '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about you learn to avoid dangerous situations? Sure, learn the martial art, but if you are learning it to use offensively you should not have the opportunity imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'NO if they attach you they are fair game imo - not using a gun to kill them just reduces legal exposure imo '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is a personal improvement and defensive skill, with the potential to be used in ways that make it a terrible thing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it would be more legal exposure...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If they attack you, and your ONLY option to stay safe is to kill, sure, go ahead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at least with a gun it was a quick instinctual thing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to beat someone up to the point of death takes much more work'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But here's a thought? Hit the guy in the nuts or solar plexus, or land a palm between the eyes to daze or reverse a wrist grab and get a decent knife hand into the exposed underarm.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Then when he is bent over, bolt, and call the cops.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but believing that krav will get you there is ignorant and your belief in what it's giving you will get you killed'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have no ticket for firearms - lol Oz they actually regulate the sale of firearms to .... what ever I am - and I am enroled under false details at Krav - to the naked eye I'm some weird chick that loves the hippy movement '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "loves the hippie movement" and "krav maga" are pretty mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Whatever you are?  Fucking crazy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've been doing shotokan karate for about 7 years now, and the best lesson to learn is "on the day, anyone can win" - I won sparring with masters of 20 years my first year, and got my arse handed to me by newbies only recently.  All training does is change the odds.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So to go in with the idea that you are impervious to harm because you know a few moves...then someone gets a lucky shot in and knifes you while you are wondering which stance is best between dumpsters.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What does a shotgun do to those odds?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I could be called a hippy given how I project - is how I got out - but I am not - and I'm under no illusions about Krav - someone dislocated my thumb today in training but they are not letting up on me - I'm the onlt fem in the basic class and they really throw me roung - I turned up in my customized armor and they took that as free for all :D got dealt '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Guns are, as they ever were, the great equalizers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Forget the karate.  Glock 40 caliber'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Or a queen sized bed'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That's the whole point Starling - I never did karate to learn to hit someone.  I do it for the discipline, and because I enjoy it'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shotgun doesn't do much to those odds, as it's not very handy when you're in the situation'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I practice the fine art of Pro Wrestling'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why isn't it useful?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you showed up to a beginners martial arts class in armor?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't carry a gun, I have never had the need to use karate outside the dojo (aside from the occasional pub), and I have never been assaulted.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(again, aside from the occasional pub)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - but close quarters - think again - noone is fast enough to counter - and I have "horse " my revolver anyaway - just want to be able to leave it at home n go to raves etc where you get searched n still be safe '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hm, it might be useful in a bar - no firearms allowed in such establishments'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No-one is fast enough to counter - that includes you'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not my bar:P'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not that it's not useful, it's that it's not handy'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know, a 12 gauge shotgun will put the hurt on somebody quick'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not when it's not there, it won't'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no we do drills with a trigger light on the dummy gun - everyoone in the basic class can beat it when in arms reach '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, that's why you carry it on you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably have to be a sawed-off, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you're lying if you state that you do'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ergo, it is NOT handy'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It is if you're a criminal ;)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, not even criminals'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So the guy is going to set himself up with the weapon directly in front of you, and you are going to assume he hasn't already started pulling the trigger before you see said gun?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Depends on the situation, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the issue, you don't control the situation'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo best case is planned aggression - when someone gets the drop on you then you are against the odds UNTIL within arms reach imo - and training atm '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The gun is more likely to be behind you (yes you will train for that as well, but take it with a bit of salt) - if he is smart, he jabs it in so you know it's there, then removes it from your back so you are never quite sure where it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They do have a lot of close-range punch, and if you're in a jurisdiction that heavily regulates handguns but not sporting guns, a sawed-off might be a viable alternative if you absolutely must hold up that convenience store.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Arguably, you don't 'control' the situation regardless of what weapon you're using'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is so freaking easy (in Au at least, which I know Tz is) to avoid firearm confrontations, and to leave confrontations entirely.  The vast, VAST majority of crime in this country is rival gangs (usually bikers) and domestic bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey now, let's not drag bikers into it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The person shooting you is either the Comanchero you pissed off last week, or your exwife/husband.  Dark alleys and such are far less likely'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, we've had some armed robberies lately.  Right in my home town, which almost never experiences serious crime.  I guess the heroin problem out in the county is getting pretty bad.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'HA - the only true Oz bikers '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol - I ride a motorbike as well, but there is a world of difference between 'guy who rides a motorbike' and 'a biker''
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n Ulyesseys - but they are softies :D  - still HA !'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- lol ewww sp? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they have angels in oz, or a different HA?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Biker stereotypes are merely compensating.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'same - n Nomads - they R the real '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have Hells angels here, but iirc they were excommunicated by the HA head office for being a bunch of law abiding pussies'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Nomads are the real'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here, it's all about Comancheros, Bandidos, and Rebels'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But it has become quite clear nobody gives a shit about most of it, they are just glorified gun/drug runners, the rivalry is just competing for money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'localised BS - thats the BS you were on about - while they fight each other Nomads run the transport industry bar mining and farm out the speed manufact. .... imo limited tho it is '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And the 'no free association' laws have put a stop to most of the problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nomads run the transport industry?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why else would anybody kill the other gang?  That set-tripping loyalty shit ended by the end of the 1980's'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Starling, here it was ALL about personal vendettas and loyalty a fair bit later, perhaps right up to 2000.  Then the SE asian gangs moved in, primarily vietnames here in Sydney, and everything became about the money'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - and there is no loyalty - so much gang jumping now and Vaki you'd be suprised - but purely anecdotal on transport '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The best part of it is the survivors have all sold out to a TV station to make a series on back when it was all personal honour.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They are now all chummy on set, is is fucking hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keep ur old mates - stugg the rest - the only loyals are the Oz army etc - love white n country '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stuff*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Racism isn't cool, take that shit and gtfo'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'everyone is a little rasict'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate as much as I love anime etc - single minded individuals are the best trusted becuase they are hamstrung by thier beliefs and I factor into that - how you think I get ammo ? I LOVE my white but I love other cultures as well '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That makes no sense...at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'racists are single minded ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'closed minded, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they think I am like minded ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I do really love most things white '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it makes sense...tzad gets ammo by watching anime with groups of black people'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they trust me because I exhibit thier values '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am trusted '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol no no - CANNOT be caught watching anime !'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'OOOOHHHH - you just hang around racists and act racist, it isn't as if you're racist or anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I love this new culture of overly political correctness'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Racism in some cultures and countries is part of how people fucking survive.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snook I am Pro white - not anti anything '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'didnt say anything like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People survive on racism? Shit, and I've been eating food and whatnot - boy was I wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not going to breed with anyone but a white but I love so many things about other cultures that some of my mates just wouldn't understand because they are (as Vaki said) closed minded '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's such a slipperey slope with some people that I can't even really say any more with out someone feigning outrage'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And I too love being white'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And by white I mean Jewish Canadian'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'D I'm not jewish but I've studied the Kabbalah for a while '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have the coolest heritage...Christian Jewish Canadian whose parents died in the holocaust? Did I miss anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What happens if you dont believe in the Kabbalah?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You get KABBALISHED!'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'something my neonazi mates would not understand - but they give me thier limited form of loyalty '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I doubt you're a neo-Nazi'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I'm not '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some of the art from that culture is pure Pro white without being anti anything though '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Just for refference...If one were to be openley Neo Nazi would that be nukable?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '>_>'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can claim to be whatever you want to be, acting on those claims is what would lead to nuking - i.e. overt racism on public channels'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think you just get nochanned or fakechanned'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah racism is uncool - R schooled me well '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If I can't hear you, might as well be nuked :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fakechanned? Is that like a shadowban?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah...I know about that >_<'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lemme find an example of pro white no anti culture one of my fav songs - victory day '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pro-one race where you are not equally pro other races is just as racist as anti-other races...fyi'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Simple +1 -1 argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Cancel Cinco De Mayo you guys'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's racist'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, have to switch from 4 to 6'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So we should just be one big nuetral world huh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'found it ! took a while - post it here or music chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIbwbVyNkRM&bpctr=1347364161'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of my fav songs - is a lil male orientated but slowly slowly - lol lesbians with the same mindset will come eventualy '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'singing :D big smile !'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'onday we will be unappologetically white n pround :D '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and able to spell .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Only when we finally have another race oppressing us Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'then it will be okay for us to be proud'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no no ! it is not about anyone else , is only about us ! '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just be proud of you and your race the same way anyone esle is about thiers ! imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats a huge problem with the liberals and trendies and hipsters here in the states'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You cant be proud to be white AND get a job...unless you are a ceo or an exec or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my big prob in general is you can be pro elf without being anti troll .. same applies - is about pride in self - I'm assuming a mixed race person would have an apreciation of 2 cultures '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is there to be proud of? Great, you were born white? Some people are born with 6 toes on one foot, get the fuck over it.  Same goes for black, red, yellow, purple, who the fuck cares?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Other people besides you Valk'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they do'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Racism in America is pointless, because the terrorists don't care what color we are.  They want us all equally dead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The terrorists arent a problem Starling'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'read last transmittion Vaki - in Oz it is ok to be ashamed of being white - the "Sorry" black armed band view of history - I be here now '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the point is I am not racist if I am proud of my race '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You have a better chance of being killed by a champagne cork then being killed by a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and I can trust my racist mates because they are so 1 D '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate , you have to play the hand you are dealt - I've made my home in Oz sans parents as best I can and now I go forward - ok I'm not going to uni atm but Krav can be my uni for the next year while I get off the junk the kill my intellect with ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'btw 9/11 was an inside job...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Inside what? A plane?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Staged by the us goverment'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bush stood on a stage and said some stuff afterwards, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki I respect ur intellet - Scurv - Sneak Abe - Starl - mate I'm open for a diff view - just need to say ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Our goverment allowed the attacks to happen on purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Never make the mistake of assuming malice where stupidity is a perfectly acceptable explanation.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Occams Razor revisited ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US government funded the Mujahideen, some of whom went on to form Al Qaeda because they were fighting the USSR.  Once the USSR stopped being the Afghani/Wahabi 'Big Bad Country', it was only a matter of time before the US filled that role.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem was, the US seemed to have some cognitive dissonance as to the determination of these people to fight for themselves...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'apparently they make the best AK-47 too '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So yes, the US government did in fact bring 9/11 on themselves, but they sure as shit didn't plan it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'we need a 9/11 social'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great news headline'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Secret Service grill 16yr old over Youtube School video politics project'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN censors truth about Bahrain unrest'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Italy supreme court president to refer 9/11 crimes to international criminal court'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(good timing)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be a fitting tribute to the victims of 9/11 if the people responsible were brought to justice'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess that'll probably never happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ATF granted power to seize and foreit property under the guise of substance abuse in cases where people have neither been convicted or charged with a crime, in violation of the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty ugly sentiment'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama at +5%, in pp ohio poll, with +4% democrats and +3% women..sounds like it should be more like +0'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't pay attention to bounces.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Obama and his good ties with the womenfolk, did you hear that DHHS is cutting down on the mammograms covered by Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Mammograms do need rather well targeted people to be of any real use, though, they have been kind of overhyped'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, they don't work as well on males.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, no, it wasn't the male mammos HHS was targeting.  Women over 40.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'must be nice to be a member of a religion who values a book being burned more than the people who's religious / ethnic minorities are burned'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how non-islams should handle burning human beings not islamic in islam places'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, if people started burning bibles, the US might declare one on them...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so don't single out the Islamic people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people have been burning bibles regularly for the last 80 years, and i don't think the world's any worse off than before they started'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably not the cause anyways, people burn what people they hate worship sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's god is it?  god obviously sucks so now god is burned'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big deal, the machines who printed them probably aren't feeling any pain'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'history is replete of those who have died for showing any perceived lack of respect toward Christian religions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people you think of as christian are not christian according to the book they must have read'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you thinkt hey didn't know that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have faith in human ignorance, but not that much'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I find it safe to assume that those who lost their lives at their hand didn't find that the distinction helped them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, but where are they now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're thinking of people like teh prince of muscovy being saint christ'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are still dead, last I heard.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that religion was added to them by the byzantine empire, as a war-agreement'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no foundation in religion in most of the christians you think of as christians'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their religion is a brainwashing political tool'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's what it is in alot of muslim places'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'politicians still use some religion today, but not as much as they used to - they haven't quit brainwashing people'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that what people do in the name of religion is going to be irrational. Islamic people are less irrational than those belonging to some other religions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as Joan D'Arc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ask*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they replaced 'insane spirit' demonology from the gospel, with mentally inferior psychiatry to reach the same result of extermination in the 1800's'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's changed really?  they don't need religion at that point in time is all'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he's a mob, Tymas. You know what to do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still decide who lives and dies and require no well-understood justification for their actions'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people saying to kill for god and things like that , to question them is to question god, so who understands it'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think everybody's a master at psychology/psychiatry and perfect judge of humans?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or even a small fraction of the ones who the others all work for?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds typically unreasonable to me :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think so, the god is still black'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing is, humans brag about the intellectual superiority they have over other animals. They fail to point out that, under normal circumstances, they don't exercise that intellect,  making the  gap between them and the "lower orders" rather narrow :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the lords of the world would like if everybody but them was dumber than a rock'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's more stupidity in the world of knowledge than ever before, what about you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perfect place for a religion like islam to install itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, humans are not dumb in the sense you mean. But you can't walk if you don't use your legs and you can't think if you don't use your brain. Neither activity is automatic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people can be dumb about alot of things though, and whoever their high priest in that category is they learn what they know about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look on bbc news archives when gaddafi was still alive, when he went to italy , they italian government hired a bunch of upper-class models (whores) young women to attend his speeches, and they reported that they converted to islam on the spot'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty amazing signs of lord isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not very stupid in the sense that i mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then why would they pretend that religion means anything to those non-whores'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religious prostitution is what i seen that as'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, my first reaction to the news is "So what?" :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not mine, while they don't analyze the motives and combinations of what they report, what they report is there for that purpose often'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what I am trying to figure out is why are you singling out certain people when they all do it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and sometimes their deviancy pays off'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think they all do it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all humans are slave-masters and liars exploiting people's thoughts of life after death?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could be right, or aliens too why not, is there life beyond earth?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Personally, I don't know anything about Gadaffi. I am sure that the things I've heard contain, at least, a grain of truth. But his reputation didn't strike me as unusual. There are people in the US at the moment that would have made him look like saint.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder if they just take turns and play the part of the deceived, knowing in their heart that they're pretending for a one man audience'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can you spell Dick Cheney?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and a mayor of chicago was the main line of communication with gaddafi before the allies did their allied thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was chicago'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reminds me like this cities of the underworld/underworld history's on history television, where america released a mafia don from prison to communicate with mafia groups in italy before they invaded to destabilize mussolini'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder just how many people like that are in america and canada and other places'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that people in power are only different from each other in degree :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'britain does that too, in exchange for a high-up member of a foreign resistance to britains plans betraying his group (perceivably) they give him sanctuary, an anonymous identity and wealth for him and his family'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I recommend you read Camous' The Rebel. Once you grasp the existential aspects of revolution everything becomes clear :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Camus'*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the dumb warmaster of national plans would obviously see that if he makes more groups to betray his real group will acquire vast resources in the thankful counterpart'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'foreign aid and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched on aljazeera video called 'america's dangerous game' that claimed all american aid to yemen goes directly in the bank account of the taliban/al qaeda - and honduras is another documentary with a similar story'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can read "foreign aid" as "indentured servitude" :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, as they say: if you take the money you have to do the job :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, canada can afford to federal cut all of it's national programs that prevent death and destruction to itself, but can afford to feed west africa and somalia, both ruled by very evil people'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'double some donations today to your canadian charity destined for those places, i bet next year that tax payer will dole out the same scam'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am sure they are getting their money's worth.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I wasn't aware West Africa had a ruler.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look up the countries included in it, see what kind of disparity exists between ruling elite and end product'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So one person rules all 16 countries?  Intersting'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'end product's what they supposedly want the money to go to, but will it get past the cauffers of the ruling elite?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many independent verifications will be done, since the american peace corps have had 125,000 volunteers since it was created in 1961'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that often seems to be a national excuse to run an anonymous foreign business'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it could be the case that a secret society does rule those countries. People linked by self-interest, for instance.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the banks, and the reporters they can hire and all that stuff, they don't do anything transparently'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but I doubt it would be something official.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you think -making people- starve to death is anything new, and eating like a pig right in their faces - you just need to study some history in the last 100 years to see it happen to tens of millions '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i think that's some of what goes on in africa, but that's my thought'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think they'd let that egg reach the intended concentration camp veteran?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think so, so why would i support paying the people who make them starve to death, under the disguise of helping their victims?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, here's the thing. If you don't help them starve, they someone will help starve you :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then someone*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you actually help people, they don't hate you for it - unless the source is misappropriated'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you help someone that has been targeted, then you become a target.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if all the wealth you send to help them gets seized by your enemy and their killer, then gets reinvested in your own deterioration and their continued subjection to death, but you thought it was ok and you were helping them and yourself by helping them, then what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the proof?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you can prove it inductively :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't waste fear on enemies like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you've seen the advertisements on TV about those private agencies asking for donations to help starving people, etc. Do you know why they are allowed to operate? Because, even if they only engage in minor corruption, they don't change the end result sufficiently to be noticed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the end result being ..'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it they made strides in, let's say Ethiopia. Someone would step in somewhere and put a halt to the nonsense.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reduction on the number of the starved sufficiently so that they start becoming people who had to be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that does make sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think i value their victims higher than them though'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they weren't all dumber than rocks i guess they'd be a force of random guerrilla warfare and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unfortunately, that doesn't do the victims any good.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, but the rtoad to hell is paved with good intentions, mine's just without misappropriation of the gold it's paved with'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the name of that one non-kgb who decides what movies can ever leave hollywood?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't look like much is held very saced there, except idea's'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humanity has a problem. They are predators without anything to hunt but themselves :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this is a reference to what I said earlier regarding the fact that thinking is rather unused ability. Preying is hard-wired into our beings, only by thinking we can override the instinct.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but it is easy to compromise our thinking so that aids us to hunt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's a good movie about a receiver of american foreign aid misappropriating the funding?  maybe 'clear and present danger'?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are a species with out an antagonist, so we turn on each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that that was what the funding was for in the first place, all that corruption'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't want many movie watchers to have some fictional scenario's with a root in reality weighing into their consideration of the governments actions, right?  so i imagine movies like that get censored from the sacred hollywood production studios'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like random serial killings, rape and all other kinds of petty civil violations are no problem though'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like there's the serpent and the rainbow, but i never heard of a movie about papa doc's ruling haiti'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't stand anything involving Jack Ryan. He is so squawky clean that it hurts the eyes to watch :) '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with JFK cancelling the foreign aid to him'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the comedian's is the only movie i can see even related to that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's possibly not including anything about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Columbine marked the start on an era, though there were precursors, humans are openly hunting now. Every week or so, someone steps up and commits mass murder.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stephen king's first book was the long walk i read, still one of my all time favourites'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so there is no safety in groups anymore, now your best bet is to roam alone :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems like a prediction almost, to characterize the powers that be in a fictional setting'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and american media glorifies crime to the poor especially, often races within the poor are portrayed as the dominant criminal, and rap music and things like that, all glorifies crime and what's required to get ahead in america'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, there have been other books point to the same idea, but note that they are all classed as fiction.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, when it happens people are surprised. "Who could have thought...?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they glorify crime and punishment and things like that, the fast-track life, why do they leave things like JFK and haiti out of the picture?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you'd think they'd be proud of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US should be nicer to Haiti. Without them France would have posed a serious threat to the emerging union.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're not being nice to a nation who's majority is destroyed for the feast of the rich'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by trusting the rich with money propagandadly destined for the poor'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they changed since then though, that was 1980's until'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'france didn't dole out a 18 billion dollar 2-3 century old debt to haiti when that earthquake struck'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'France doesn't owe Haiti anything.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'producing IMF chiefs and things like that, pretending to benefit the poor in their speeches '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chief of banking comes from a country who doesn't pay it's debts, even after 300 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'karma obviously doesn't exist when it comes to humans'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i read, the sum of the money back then translated to that much today'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are not supposed to pay their debts, if they did they wouldn't get more loans :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can hold them to indentured servitude if they pay back.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't hold*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Why does Cuba tolerate Gitmo? Because they need the money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the original lease ran out in 1960 and even if the US and Cuba are not in diplomatic terms, they continue to renew the lease.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, that means that if you don't have anything substantial to use as collateral for the foreign aid you receive, the lenders will get their pound of flesh.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the "loans" are granted even though the IMF and other agencies know that the money will be pocketed. The citizenry, though, will be held accountable.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I only have anecdotal evidence, but I hear morale and general wellbeing (i.e. literacy, access to food/water, medical) in Cuba is higher now than it ever was pre-communism?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, though education has suffered.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Education has suffered? This is one thing where I *have* seen decent sources - literacy in Cuba is at its highest under Communism than ANY other time'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Castro was educated in the US, so, unfortunately, he implemented that educational system when he ascended to power.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, because fuck letting women learn, right? (one of the first moves of Castro education-wise)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Cuba is 99% literate. But the people are not educated.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Now, the good stuff I've read is mostly on Google Scholar, but there's some good laymans, and some decent links from w/p - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Cuba'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ability to read is almost always the precursor to any education.  Certainly universal in modern times'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there will always be scholars, but the average knowledge is down, and Vakieh? Women were learning in Cuba before Castro.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '>>The Cuban Revolution in 1959 brought numerous changes to the country, especially for women. Prior to the Revolution many women lived as housewives and for those who needed to work there were very few choices. Many women in rural areas worked in agriculture and for women in the city working as a maid or prostitute was the only choice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and what do you think the men were doing in rural areas? Practicing law and medicine? The were doing what rural people do, work the land. So they were no better off than the women.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Point?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Rural men, rural women, urban men, urban women.  One of these groups was far better educated than the other 3, now all 4 are hitting a good 96% literacy'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that saying tha Castro improved the women's lot is a bit over the top. What he in fact did was to equalize poverty across the board. '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He improved 1 subset of men, and 2 subsets of women.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, so what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So, that is helping women's education.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would have been great  if the improved could have profited by the improvement.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is hard to be in the upper 90 percentile in literacy without having women become literate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whole country profited.  The fact they stayed in the black in the face of their greatest economic partner embargoing them is a testament to the relative success of their policies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that's not my point anyway. He could have archived the same result without watering down the educational system.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Watered down with what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What was there before which was taken away?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Vakieh, people did wear shoes in Cuba before Castro. I am sure that that surprises you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When did we start talking about shoes?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you are acting that pre-Castro  Cuba was a a site of barefooted, loinclothed people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wut? Pre castro cuba was a polarised, educated urban male run country, where the rural population were little more than serfs, and the urban woman little better (on average)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not arguing that he brought education to the masses, I am arguing that he could have left in place the same educational standard. Rather than dismantle the system he could have widened to the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again - what was dismantled? What was taken away? What could you get under a pre-Castro education that you could not get now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'instead, he brought the intellectual common denominator down.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You keep using the phrase 'common denominator' - I do not think it means what you think it means'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dropping the top but upping the average is, in fact, INCREASING the common denominator, as it is, well, common'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But again, I am not convinced the top was dropped at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let's put it this way, Vakieh. When he implemented the new educational system, it moved those already being educated 3 to 4 years back. He could have widen the scope of the system so that the same level of education would become available to all. What he did was to throw away the standard in place and substituted it with a standard similar to the one the US uses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you are just annoyed some people had to study a bit longer as their degrees were now replaced by new ones?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am annoyed that people are not taught nearly as much as before he came to power. In fact, the end result is much less. He didn't need to do it that way, he did it that way because the education he received in the US indoctrinated him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh, of COURSE! Castro did what he did because he was acting under US indoctrination!'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What a fucking retarded thing to say'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The country is in turmoil due to years of civil war, he wipes the slate clean and implements a radical new education plan (which works, btw) - some people who were studying during the war now have to continue studying a bit longer.  Whoopdy fuckin doo'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, and that doesn't mean that he was acting as an agent. He just didn't know any better. He assumed that he had gotten a good education and implemented the system that taught him. He didn't want to listen to others that counseled against it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the country was not under civil war until the powers that were propping Batista decided to bail out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He ran the country for years, through some of the toughest and most critical moments of its history, and Cuba is still here, and still highly literate where its neighbours are not.  I would say he was educated enough, wouldn't you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Castro's presence in the mountains was more an annoyance than a threat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cuban test scores are supposed to be pretty decent though'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For a Latin American country, they are phenomenal'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly very good scores for their level of development'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vakieh, you think that any education is better than none and I can't argue with that. You still want to miss the point and that is fine. But the point is that he didn't need to dismantle the old system of education all he needed to do was expand it to encompass all the citizenry. The lack of mass education in Cuba was not a function of the educational system but of the lack of availability to the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not any education is better than none, education can be used to remove people's common sense/natural education with no added benefit but being socially acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without evidence it would be hard to argue that it was better before... it certainly doesn't seem like it could be true.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Didn't need to dismantle the education system? In order to expand like he did, you can either keep the old one and make it bigger, or create a new one.  He chose to create a new one, and it worked.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it definitely has been in the past i read about, and is becoming that in lots of places'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, he chose to create a new one and he modeled it after a failing system.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he said, for instance, "There is no need of a 5th grader to know algebra". Why would that be true? But that's what he implemented, among other things.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I didn't learn algebra until year 8, your point?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think it's ok for a 5th grader to not learn algebra? OK'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'king george knew 3 languages and spoke political issues in each by age 8'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and most of the learning materials people learn in things like math were invented by lords and extremely wealthy people'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes, I do.  My country has one of the best education systems in the world, and Algebra need not come into things until later'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think that learning algebra in the 8th grade (the circles and triangles :)) is an archivement.  That is only true if you undervalue human intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they had the time and their job was whatever they wanted to do, so they could afford to spend it mastering some subject while nobody else could'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'education is intentionally dumbed down to keep the majority stupider than the minority'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're protesting that in chile now'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty ironic that you argue that castro copied the us system after his revolution, when the previous system was imposed by the us...'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol :-) I'm not about to go boasting, but I'm...pretty good at maths.  The mathematics curriculum for my country's education has algebra beginning in year 8. (we do pre-algebra in years 6 and 7)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This curriculum has produced some of the top universities worldwide, nobel prizes for fields involving mathematics, and an education tourism industry wich is booming'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '. o O ( what the heck is pre-algebra?! )'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'which*'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why do pre-algebra? Why not do algebra? Only because the system is afraid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pre-algebra being things like order of operations in more detail, looking at associative properties, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Should learn to walk before you learn to run'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a 10 yo kind can solve simultaneous equations if you explain to him how. There is nothing fascinating about elementary algebra, not if the child has a good foundation of arithmetic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... addition and multiplication? And their inverses?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's not about being able to 'do', that is a poor way of educating.  Education is about understanding.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That sort of thing Sonshi, yes.  It is also pre-calculus, so things like graphing of equalities/inequalities and the like get a look as well, and esp. things like gradient'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you have to be 14 yo before you can understand algebra? Can you tell your shoes appart without an R and L stenciled on them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Perhaps there are other things which are taught? Not as if our kids are sitting in maths twiddling their thumbs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a child with a basic understand of algebra and geometry has no problems with elementary calculus either.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is nothing earth shaking about understanding that a secant that has point on the circle moving toward each other will turn into a tangent.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... now I'm curious about my country's current math syllabus.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do most people end up not using their education for anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's beside the point :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, waste of the best years of life'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, but they definitely won't get anywhere , even as a gas pump operator, if they don't waste the first 13 yeras of life on school'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'had I not discovered money I would have been happy staying in school all my life :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '18 i guess, 13 of it in school though'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if you graduate from university and all it's post-school ritualistic shit, it better be one of the ones who have a contract with the businesses you could get a job for, as they recruit only students with a degree from a certain university cult'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada and america's education system works so good that all of their advanced reserach is conducted by immigrants from foreign nations, like china and arabia'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or russia once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously proof that education pays off, even conceptually, since you have to import people from foreign education systems to develop anything new '
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget the Germans :) Space program, automated warfare :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, after ww2 germany became the allied ussr'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't it?  lookin through what i read from history that's what it looks like'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's not itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'brain chemistry's one, then there's technology but that's a step below brain chemistry i think'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many brain chemistry altering mysterious formula's are consumed by the average american or canadian in a day?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those fields 'development' are handled by foreign people from china especially who run their departments in your university's'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the famous Operation Paperclip brought a majrity of  the Germans associated with technology to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i could gather looking through the names who contributed to research studies and things like that, conducted in american and canadian universities'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lead by a person with a very chinese looking name for instance, pretty delicate kind of reserach experiment'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's there a canadian non-asian or american non-asian contributing?  possibly in a supporting role'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they just add that name in there to make it appear like education results in anything non-foreign'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they got their educations here and then used them here though, not saying they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i think it's kind of odd that basically all research projects are handled by them'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better china than russia though, china has a sense of strict loyalty to itself where russia prefers to serve stalin's communist grain bags at the expense of everybody else'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happens to chinese officials who fuck the chinese government?  at least they get arrested sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in russia or america or canada, that's just a job description'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come thailand's a slutty whore but china's not, china actively weeding out criminals who whore people?'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not too far away from one another'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think china has the only real government on earth, who's not filled with conspirators and traitors'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to it's own people or itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel might be second'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel's only 60 or 70 years old though, in the next hundred of 400 years things might change alot - where china's been china for maybe 4000-8000'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'india's a pretty old country too, then egypt and jordan'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't remain a country for that long without having some kind of a connection to all the evil nations on earth'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them country's just kept their name but became the property of a larger corporation though, like monsanto'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'germany's one of those'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'egypt most likely is too'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naughty libyans killing the american ambassador like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure chocolate needs to be classified as an intoxicant'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'well technically it is a drug as classified by the FDA '
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we all know how wack government classifications are'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'so is sugar btw it just has to be a substance that changes brain chemistry in a definable way iirc'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If chocolate is legal, legalize weed imho.'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they control people, get people into their justice system, and make lots of money if they legalised it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i think we should go the other way and make all drugs illegal for awhile so ppl can see the difference they make to the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't be able to justify all those laws, all that money for the "war on drugs"'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'comments on the latest unforced "error" by Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't know what you're talking about but fuck Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Romney is the man, screw obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. romney just might be /a/ man. i'm not certain'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'his father tried to sneak into the presidency even though he was born in Mexico :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i heard Obama is gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and he worships the devil'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here we go again :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i hear Osama is gay, ftfy'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'screw walfare and poor people!   Vote Romney!'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'secret gay muslim communist atheist, yeah, yeah, we've heard from those kinds of people...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'no hes not atheist he worhips the devil'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google Bohemian Grove, Committee of 300, CFR Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they are all so gay and they even wrestle in poop, I swear to god on the real life'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'nah just tell me wtf it is...a video of Oboma worshipping the devil or blowing a guy out back?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'figure it out yourself'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Alex Jones snuck into Bohemian Grove a while back'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, seems Ethiopia is using the same methods as on guantanamo to find "terrorists" "guilty". '
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'guess that would explain the flag burning'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Flag burning?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oh maybe i'm getting my stories crossed, was watching american flags getting set on fire'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'on the news'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah. Flags are irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'AIDS flags'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Was some bullshit with an amateur video that set it all off'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I was referring to the Swedish journalists that were forced to admit to being terrorists and put into ethiopian jail for 14 months.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '"Religion of peace" - lol.  Only religion which has any claim to being "of peace" imo is Buddhism.  And even they do violence to themselves (self immolation)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion is bullshit, but terrorism is even more bullshut.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The odds of a suicide bomber being religious are pretty high :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but it's a minor threat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh, no argument there - T is the new red scare'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only terrorist act that has killed a lot of people was in hiroshima and nagasaki.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my moms AIDS have spread to millions....'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'call it a torrorist attack if you will...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By all definition of terrorism, having and using nuclear weapons is terrorism.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorist acts are meant to kill a relatively small number of people. Terrorists archive nothing if they kill everyone. The point of terrorism is to induce certain behavior in the population.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Exactly. And that's why the US bombed only small cities in Japan.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hiroshima and nagasaki didn't kill all the japanese, and they induced certain behavior'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well applied terrorism is like a low-grade fiver or a toothache.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if you get so used to the condition that you can consciously ignore it, psychologically it is beating at you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And 911 was designed to make the US a paranoid lawless police state. They succeeded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is why I have my doubts about 9/11 being an external terrorist attack.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'External, except that the terrorists were trained by CIA.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if there had been a campaign of terrorism against the US, it would not have been handled that way.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorism consists of little acts of violence. If you want a really good example of terrorism, just remember the DC shooter. He was textbook classic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you didn't know when, where or even if, so that put you and a tremendous psychological disadvantage which in turn put pressure on the government.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's classical terrorism.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'will stepping on that sewer lid blow me up? Was that car backfire a shot? That's what a terrorized populace thinks about.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think about terror'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, well applied terrorism is felt in the bones :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, it is its own citizenry that is carrying out a terrorist campaign against itself. Columbine, Auora, the supermarket thing, the Virigina shootings, all that is preying on the consciousness of the people, and it is all domestic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now people will worry, even if only a little, that going to a movie might be fatal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the dude wasn't trying to prevent people from going to movies, he was just a psycho'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it happened once, why can't it happen again?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '9/11 was stupid'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I read an article showing that 9/11 was preventable'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if nothing else, 9/11 showed that when the chips are down the government is so inept that it can't protect its people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the only think I could never get an answer for is why NORAD was told to stand down that morning by VP Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ask Dick :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, no, don't ask. He might shoot you :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the fact that there is NO answer leads me to belive that our gov really just let it happen because it was benificial to thier agenda'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's one way to look at it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Al Quaida did it, but the US Gov let it happen to us on purpose, that is what I belive'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We may never know for sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Al Queda did it? I am glad I finally found a witness :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they could have just been dumbasses like when pearl harbor happened to us'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Pearl Harbor didn't just happen, it was manufactured.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is clear evidence that the Japanese military code was broken early enough to decode Hirohito's reluctant go ahead with the war.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how did the Japanese fleet sail to Pearl Harbor without one single US ship spotting them? The US fleet had been dogging the Japanese warships for months.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Do you know the proverb, "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the dogging was one of the reasons Japan decided to go to war. Some military people say that that was the reason for the US actions in the Pacific.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'And it's accompanying friend, "Make something idiot proof and they just build a better idiot."'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The reason for the war in the Pacific was pretty obvious...economic control of the gold road through SE asia...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, you can't expect 1000s upon 1000s of tons of warship to sneak by an entire US fleet. I can't buy that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would wear a gas mask...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as to the CIA involvement, I believe that if the US indeed was behind 9/11, they would not have used the CIA. The honest reaction of the perceived spy master organization would go a long ways toward making the claim of outside terror believable. They would have recruited a group with no connections to any agency. '
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shhhhh , she's on !'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Seems like Bernanke fired his last rocket while I was away. I wonder why.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you reckon is behind the muhammed video?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama to revoke gun ownership for pot smokers'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they should revoke government office for criminals and communists'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'california already does if you give them a reason to looking your records'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'just when you thought america couldn't get anymore retarded...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, your house of representatives is seriously wack'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I assume you're talking misdemeanor cases?  Because I would imagine most states don't let felons purchase guns.'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'to register a firearm in cali you have to sign a waiver saying you don't use any mind altering subatances and aren't mentaly unstable'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well who's going to say yes to that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chocolate is a mind altering drug'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they mean seriously mind-fucking drugs, well then sorry, but pot doesn't qualify'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lsd does'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prozac does'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most SSRi's do'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'lsd and guns are a win win combo'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but they have used it as a issue to try and take legal users legal guns'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about the vote extension to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Ammendments act *FAA) that has just completely shredded the 4th ammendment, myself'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shredded it irrevocably'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah america gets closer to be a nazi state every day...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'pretty soon anyone that speaks out against the goverment won't get jailed, they'll gassed'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undoubtedly, they already disappear vets'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'army veterans, that is'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's pathetic'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They should dissapear welfare recipients'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they want everyone on welfare...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'way easier to control that way'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, good luck paying for that without a tax base'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah well america has nothing to sell anymore, something has to give...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's a disgrace, but what do you do?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's why people are trying to implicate the US in crazy videos of Muhammed to stir up the rabble in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the middle eastern arabs, being a bit on the stupid side, fell for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not hard to believe...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'maybe if they weren't already there they might not have bought it'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh, gold shot up again'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt they'll use this as an excuse to bring in more laws and clamp down on our freedoms yet more'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '77yr old grandmother with bladder infection dragged from car for failing to show id'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortuantely for the officer, this time she was guilt of an offence'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harvard pediatrics instructor arrested on child porn charges'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'hmpf'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'favourite election billboard so far: "Somewhere in kenya, a village is missing it's idiot"'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can't take people serious when Bush gets two terms but Obama is an idiot'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, what do you do? most americans are sleepwalking zombies'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only question for them, like the Brits here, is "how bad does it have to get before the penny -finally- drops"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'no kidding... i have a friend that used to live in cali and az... she eats in her sleep :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does she groan "Brains!"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nope :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does she vote democrat?'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i dunno, she lives in canada now...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not that voting matters...'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the former republic of Canada'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'democrats and republicans are all the same fucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrips and rebloodlicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'OBAMA SUX'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure he'll survive your lack of endorsement :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Archer is the best cartoon ever...debate starts now!'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jormundr: 'isnt it Archie?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'no Archer...the spy cartoon on FX'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Strange that muslims are so insecure about their religion that they cannot tolerate critique.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If someone made a mocking movie about something I believe strongly in, I would definitely not try to storm the embassy of the originating country... but maybe that's just me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'try bad mouthing baptism in alabama and see how they react'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or the bombings there by christian extremists over abortions ppl from all religions have a tendency to get crazy over it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably safest to shoot al religious people :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'e-sex for e-dollars :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that's already going on :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point of Market.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'don't think it's a miss, it's more apropriate for this channel'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos looks at Huan and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good idea, Dexter, but what does that have to do with Market?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'crap :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, now the obesity epidemic is solved in New York. Good for you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is this the no large soda thing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Until people figure out they can just order 2 sodas.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That should take about 14 seconds.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like american embassies are bearing the brunt of decades of dodgy foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or decades of crazy religious leaders, take your pick'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, definitely western foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, because my country started it 100yrs ago or so'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think Obama will do now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of the candidates have come out of this well so far'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was probably about time they had a rude awakening about what their foreign policy actually -does- abroad'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to different degrees though'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I predict Obama will wait and hope, that seems to be his general crisis strategy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the difference between flopping a bit, and crashing and burning...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been postulating at who's behind it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so easy to sabotage the US these days - just send some money to some american willing to sabotage their own country.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it purely a case of a convicted fraudster sticking it to the man, or was there governmental involvement, and if so, whose?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be quicker to list the countries that -wouldn't- have reason to be involved'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though Israel has form'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, at least one entire party, representing about half the population, is engaged in economic sabotage to try to gain power...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's wack'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both responsible to doing that'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, to different degrees...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it goes far beyond the two parties'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one is looting a bit on the side. The other one has a sledgehammer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have half of americans on food stamps because china has been buying up all your food'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had old Bernanke further screwing your economy by printing some more fiat currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It worries me slightly that I am not sure which party does what in Sonshi's statement..'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this might sound obvious, but... people on food stamps are poor people. Just address the poverty issue better.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, their income is low compared to food prices'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't even necessarily unemployed people'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'QE-unlimited won't help that, it just fuels inflation'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, which one is the party that's opposing infrastructure development and investments in the name of deficit reduction, while calling for more military spending, and tax cuts for themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '46m and change on foodstamps, # of households rising with # of people constant recently, not sure why'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sonshi, they're both shite'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one is a lot worse...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and foodstamps is bribery, really'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it is limited QE :) 40bn/month (+operation twist)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because you don't understand all the issues, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Jesse Ventura might stand for president in 2016, so there is hope'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assuming Obamney hasn't destroyed the country by then'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pot calling the (glass) kettle black...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a careful reading of economic issues, as I have pointed out, will reveal which one is a lot worse'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, only from a loaded point of view'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It takes a lot of time to destroy a large country. Obama might succeed in delaying North American energy independence by another couple of years, increasing entitlements a bit and adding another 7trn of debt, but probably not much more'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'unless he is going to make an effort to reward his backers during 2nd term'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'building an economic system that encourages higher levels of inequality tends to result in large numbers of poor people. It can be viewed more as a feature than a bug...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want people on aid, either you'll have to keep killing the bottom 20% until there're 4 people lest in the country, or you've got to fix the economic system.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(left)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have to fix the economic system, correct'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't do that by borrowing more'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do that by fixing the underlying problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raise taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'fixing the bottom 20% might require you to bring factories back to the US, and even then, nasty robots are stealing the unskilled/semi-skilled jobs'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you reacted like iceland had to react tax-wise during the crisis, it would raise plenty of revenue'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Obama's complicit in sending your jobs abroad'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's all for redistribution of wealth, but on a global scale'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'build more good housing, better roads, rail, airports. All these things cost money, yes. But if you employ americans to do it, you'll wind up collecting it back in taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop selling your food abroad, stop closing down your power stations, become food and energy self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop dictating to the states how to run'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I think companies are the ones who make those decisions'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it stands, it's all fucked up, and that's why obama put into place emergency powers to essentially confiscate all infrastructure and resources'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'agriculture is heavily subsidised in the US. If your food is cheap, others will buy it. That's how things are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(you do realise he did that, right?)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Romney's plan to be energy independent in 2020 is a bit on the optimistic side, but if you include canada, it might be done by 2025'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '^ citation needed'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be simple'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already have all the natural resources you need'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be better to spend that QE money on that rather than pissing it away by giving it to Goldman Sachs and JP morgan'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romney/ryan's plans are full of "magic asterisks", assumptions too ridiculous to be true'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it requires undoing Obama's absurd energy policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK suffers the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have pensions freezing to death each winter because of high energy prices caused by stupid fake green policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the rate the world is going though, the US will be "energy independent" within the next century, whether it likes it or not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, but we now have to import electric and gas from france and russia'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retarded policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retarded retarded retarded'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Tiger, I'd like to see examples of the policies which are "shipping jobs overseas", or dicating states how to run, because as far as I know those statements are completely false'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'General Electric, General Motors, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should see what happens when higher temperatures start to wipe out more species we care about, and eventually crops...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama has done a fair bit to stop development of fossil fuels and pipelines, and shut down coal plants (so the US exports more coal to China, great for enviroment, I guess)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know GM was barely saved...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'businesses have to be allowed to fail'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'how high temps do we need to wipe out lobbyists?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not letting them is why the banking crisis occured'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing coal mines would generate more revenue, and reduce exports...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if those resources are so precious, why not just tax them to the hilt?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Every time I hear about rescue plans for businesses, I ask myself where those plans were in 2001 when the IT industry crashed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'and Romney's plan to become 'energy dependent' is impossible without green energy, as the U.S. already drills at 70% capacity... so claims that Obama is stifling our oil production are entirely false'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much of your oil is exported?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, the IT industry was allowed to fail, so now it's a very healthy business.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'impose a sensible level of carbon tax, and you'd generate more than enough money to not only help those poor affected by the rise in prices, you'd also have plenty towards the deficit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'most of our oil is exported, because we have a global economy... the only way to stop that would be to add regulations or tariffs...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(how much depends on the actual level of tax, of course)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon taxes won't help you'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to redress the trade deficit'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'we need Hermain Cains 999 plan'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why kaynsian ecomics won't work in the Uk'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also he will improve realtions with Uzbecky-beckystan'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'trade deficits are a short run concern'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easily addressed by short term monetary measures'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard it all now'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only thing that really helps is to develop technology so that fossil fuels can be replaced. Everything else is just a means to get there.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, if you have a trade deficit, where are those dollars going?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US energy independence rather depends on developing unconventional oil (and more gas)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abroad, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least in the 10-20 year frame'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you imagine people are accumulating greenbacks/pounds just for fun? Cause they're shiny and pretty?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, they're accumulating RESOURCES'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll spend them at some point. And guess who sells stuff for dollars/pounds?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'tiger you laugh at him, but he's exactly right'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not you'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No way the US will become independant of foreign oil in 20 years. Not a snowballs chance in hell.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, look at it another way: Those bonds you've sold will need to be paid. How do you intend paying for them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '50 years may be possible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's not at all true that they're stockpiling your resources... and even if it were, it's your fault for not taxing them at the source... A carbon tax on those would just be paid by your "stockpilers"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't carbon tax people not in your country'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'print money and pay the foreign creditors. Who will then buy your goods. Great for your economy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yes you can... it's called a carbon tariff'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WHAT goods?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'North America might become independent in 15-20 years, the US needs rather longer :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can if the resource was produced in your country'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have nothing to sell'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'there is a whole lot of misinformation being spread around here'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anything you make will be uncompetitive because all that currency you created out of thin air has devalued your currency'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How can north america be indepentant if the US is not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they can't buy anything, then congrats, you've repaid them with nothing. Great deal for you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Canadians tear up Alberta and send oil to Cushing :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Does canada and mexico produce a lot of oil?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that if your currency is devalued... that makes your stuff cheaper, and hence more competitive, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they did, the US would have invaded a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'however, if foreign energy is a major input in your export products, the effect is somewhat muted'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again culture is the #1 US export by now, I think'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'definitely'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can see why canda wouldn't care as much about global warming though... they've got plenty of land and all the power. If americans start starving and the US economy collapses from the after effects, they can just shoot the refugees at the border...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunaly, nobody pays for that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and selectively admit "security" personnel'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'there's a lot more to global warming than temperature... there's also the problem of rising sea levels, changing habitats and resulting animal populations dying'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mexico is screwed, but mexico has been screwed for a long time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And sea acidification.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, in the long term, a new ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if insect populations take a hit, crops yields would crash'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet canada cares about a new ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the ramifications are nearly endless'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then it'll be "all hail monsanto!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ice ages are nothing to worry about... it's easily to produce more heat. Tough to remove it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Mexican oil/Pemex is generally considered to be moderately mismanaged, and production is heading downwards. It is assumed that they have large undiscovered reserves, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would be impoossible to produce enough heat to counteract an ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(easy, I mean)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty easy, really, just inject enough of the appropriate gases...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which gas could you get in enough amounts to thaw 1km of ice, without killing everything on the planet?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, just emit enough methane or something to bring radiative forcing to 0'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not enough methane on this planet to make any difference to an ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it's at 0, there'll be no actual cooling'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, you really don't need that much. Natural temperature variations are much smaller than what can be achieved through absorbtion and reradiation by gases'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'we know how to warm the planet (greenhouse gases), but doing so, even during an ice age, would still devastate the environment which has adapted to that climate'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In reality, once the gulf stream stops, all life above new york or so will be impossible for the next 100k years.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there life above new york?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not entirely sure there's life IN new york'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But, who fucking cares, it's not gonna happen in my life time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what you think will happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it depends on how old you are now...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I still have hopes of surviving to 2100'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would take 100s of years for an ice age to form.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If not 1000s.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by which time the earth would start to be somewhat of a hellhole for the unprotected.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, the who planet would be cooler.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'whole*'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll all have died in fema camps, or in riots, or of starvation, or a mass bioweapon, or from being nuked until green before we ever need worry about rising sea levels'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yo isn't there that film where they survive a frozen planet, so it must be possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or starved to death through overpopulation'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The ice age traps all abundant carbon, as well.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but hopefully we'll rapidly discover terraforming strategies once the problems become obvious and govt funding for such projects increase.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not likely, but not impossible.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country has invested a lot in ancillary adaptive technologies, so we'd be in a good position to capitalise on the panic once the average joe realises what's happening...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we wouldn't even feel too bad about doing it, since we did warn them too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which country is that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're pretty decent at land reclamation, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'actually rising sea levels has already affected wildlife and has harmed many small island nations. The sea level rises at 3.1 mm per year, doesn't sound like much but it's actually quite serious http://environment.about.com/od/greenhouseeffect/a/rising_sea_leve.htm'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China and India will make sure that no matter what you do, you'll be fucked anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why worry yourself?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we might be getting more into underground construction.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, the more of the world there is left, the more world there'll be to actually buy our stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we'll still need to import food, so we kind of want the other guys to survive too'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but you don't have the genes of a nordic hunter. Those will be helpfulduring an ice age. :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also been this push in the so-called life sciences...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not just medicines and human treatments, but also for better food/water efficiency, and so on.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or put another way "charging people more for less", and "enforced dependancy"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, those are nice things for an overpopulated area. '
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we'll have enough researchers to help in the effort to find alternative crops too, if that eventually becomes necessary...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Less population would be a low tech solution to many problems, tho.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less population is a great solution'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you could almost do with is the opposite to globalisation, make each country self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that might be true, but I kind of want humanity to progress... and that means taking full control of the earth's resources, and one day the solar system's... and...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We don't need 10 billion people to do that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reducing the population feels like a step back'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reducing population is a step forward'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you will breed yourself into extinction'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more people to shoot to distant systems in search of new worlds!'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If there was only 1 billion people on the planet, we could live a much better life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the earth is capable of supporting a lot more people, if we weren't so dumb about it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess that's why the globalists are hell bent on ww3'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yeah, if you're lucky enough to be one of the 1 billion people.... for everyone else it kinda sucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We don't need more people.  People are annoying and it would be better if we didn't have to see so many of them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the notion of self-sufficient nations is silly. The world thrives on trade and maximum efficiency can only ever be reached through globalization'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you stop paying people to breed, western societies will tend to have birth rates below 2 per couple anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way thing are going, even the population of a country like the US can, by itself, put a moderate strain on the world's climate. 1 billion like that, and we'd still need to improve efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The earth can support more people, but not with an optimal life. More people means we have to live on cheap junk food instead of natural food, and we have to limit our resource usage significatly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'simply put, countries are better at producing some resources than others, and to stifle trade by enforcing self-sufficiency is horribly uneconomical'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want efficiency, go live in china'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you bring your efficiency round here, you'll go home in a box'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, I find people annoying too, starling. But only when I can actually see them in person! Otherwise I love them!'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'you can't enforce self-sufficiency ANYWHERE, U.S. or china, the world is way too connected. How on earth do you propose stopping 400 million U.S. citizens from taking advantage of cheaper prices overseas, tigernauts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not up to me, Saric, I wasn't the one suggesting it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want to live in a world where I can only eat mass produced grain based food, and I can only get a living space that is based on my status in the society instead of my needs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wait, that's the current world. Damn.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'you are the only one here suggesting self-sufficiency and attempting to ridicule me for saying globalization is here to stay...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I was about to say that's how it is now...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalisation caused much of the problems we have now'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horse has already bolted'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yet overall it is a net positive, because trade is good.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and really, that's more a problem of government than an imminent limit on resources...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I can find better food, fortunately. But not if the population keeps growing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best of luck with it, globalists won, ordinary people lost'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your economic system is set up to increase inequality, that's what you get...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone is a globalist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'halve the population, and the result wouldn't look too much different. Unless you're in the top 0.1%'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Turner and Bill Clinton want to reduce it 80%'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think more like 90%'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'really? A vast majority of stuff you buy is cheaper due to globalization... i.e. someone in a different nation made it more cheaply than we ever could have'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'isn't that a win for the common people?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a good thing, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'o_O'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the long term goal, over the next 1000 years, should be to get below 1 billion'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to joblessness, rampant consumerism'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody knows the value of anything anymore, noone knows how to make anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not having kids should be tax deductable'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means as stuff collapses you're going to have a population full of retards'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raise a large carbon tax, and give every (legal) man, woman, and child $200 a month. Cash.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I know how to make stuff. I made my own butter today.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose the stuff I just bought was made by aliens, since "noone knows how to make anything"...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tax marriages and kids too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are it was made in China'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there you go, they know how to make stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'globalization doesn't reduce jobs... (worldwide).. it increases them as more people within country find opportunities to enter the market since the size of the market is larger (global).'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone who isn't stupid knows how to build stuff. It's just that we are lazy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'note that this is worldwide, some nations may have a decrease but the net effect is positive'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the entire western world is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... not really lazy. It's because you can get more money doing other stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can make much much more as a clerk, than as someone making shirts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I call an exception for myself. I could build everything in my apartment myself, given the proper tools and raw materials, except maybe for electronics... but nobody could do that by hand.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, you can even make much more waiting on tables or cleaning some rich guy's home, than actually making cheap toys or whatever...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I bet most intelligent people could.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I feel that the best way to improve jobs and the economy, long term, is through better education and research'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not only the best, but the only.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, there's a certain party that's much more opposed to education than the other...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the governments disagree, their growth industries will be prisons and defence'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the democrats tend to do better among the better educated, so there's that...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do well among ethnic minorities and the poor, not the intelligent'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intelligent people don't vote mainstream parties because they know they're both the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you adjust for race, there's a significant bias towards the democrats as education increases'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats' funders have a name for intelligent people who vote democrats'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's "Useful idiot"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other cultures have called them "Marks"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's incorrect, since intelligent people would be more likely to be aware of the consequences of not voting as a group, if one party is obviously worse...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because your reasoning is based on a false premise'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have exactly the same thing going on in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the party colours and names change, but the same arguments occur'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the country will remain screwed because people like you are delusional'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of who gets in'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i hate explaining this AGAIN, but if one is clearly worse than the other, and people don't care, that gives the parties an incentive to be even worse.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like if you've a guy who steals a loaf of bread and a guy who assaulted someone, and you could only punish one of them, and you just said, "ah, they're both criminals"... what's going to stop them from murder next time?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an immense shame, because i used to like the USA'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best of luck to you, you're collectively going to need it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'vote democrat - because they're clearly less insane.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'hehe.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the two party system is truly horrible... and is a product of the first-past-the-post voting system... why have more then two parties when you can combine them for more power? To change the two party system you must first change the voting system'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote who you like, chances are it won't matter as to where you're going, only the route you'll take getting there'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, instant runoff voting would fix many problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just break up the states and be done'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most political infighting immediately ends'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with two parties, you need constant attention, and need to send strong signals every time you vote that certain types of behaviour are preferred'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see parties severely regulated'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it takes a long time to steer them to where they need to be, and you can't slacken off by pretending they're the same.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'there was an interesting poll done where foreigners were asked Romney or Obama: Obama had over 70%.  I'm not sure if that makes me support him more, or less, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Regulating parties is crazy. Just get more parties, only have 2 parties to vote for is silly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here in the UK we'd benefit from banning party whips, banning central party shortlists for constituency mp's, and mandating that mp elects have lived in their constituency for at least 5 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd very, very much rather see Jill Stein end up President.  And I'll probably vote for her as New York is already Obama locked, but I know she doesn't have a chance against the current system and money'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, ranrr, but sonshi wants that corrupt monopoly to continue'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote Ventura 2016'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Jill Stein is a good candidate'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how crazy romney sounded whenever he stepped out of the country and made comments about others... I'm not surprised non-americans think he's nuts...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outside the US, they both sound like nuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, make it mandatory for politicians to publize all their contributions'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'in any other business, if you have only two companies colluding to keep everyone else out, you'd call that a monopoly, and you'd tell them NO DEAL'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I want instant runoff...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if you're going to stick to two parties, vote the less crazy one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I like instant runoff, and for congress I like mixed proportion'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'instant runoff seems like a vast improvement over first-past-the-post'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'is mixed proportion where you vote for parties as well as candidates?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'to me, even if the only thing it changed was smaller parties having a voice at debates, it'd be a huge improvement'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, I hope people realise tigernuts' tendency to lie about other people's positions...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as do you, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'with only 2 parties, it's just mudslinging'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'example?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, ranrr, but sonshi wants that corrupt monopoly to continue'"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's one...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'go on'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you said "Vote Democrat"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't expect to spout these things and not expect people to call you out on them'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least some of the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In sweden we have 2 major parties, and a handful small parties. Even the small parties have a voice. And it gives people more choice, e.g. we have the racist party, or the religious nut party. Of course, in Sweden those 2 choices are the small parties, not the major ones...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I tried to call him out on as much as I could.. but the misinformation comes in rapid-fire'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I did say repeatedly that instant runoff is preferred...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but instant runoff is not on the ballot'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[14 Sep 15:27:08] (Debate) Sonshi: 'vote democrat - because they're clearly less insane.''
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to insist on quotes'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Voting for the lesser of 2 evils never solves anything.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well burn all your ethics and that point'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, because no one's pushing instant runoff... I've been repeatedly stressing for months and years - when you were around too - that instant runoff is preferred'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even know what you mean by an instant runoff'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I mean, we're pretty screwed in the Presidential race atm by FPTP.  If you vote for an independent, your least favorite of the Republicans or Democrats becomes that much more likely to be elected.  Democrats are scared the republicans will start another war, Republicans are scared Dems will chase all the rich out of the country with higher taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'd be best served by returning to a very very small central governemnt and push power back to the states'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the question is -- how do we get the average person to care about switching to instant runoff?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which gievs people by far and away the best representation'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If you abdicate your control over politics by refusing to choose the lesser of two evils, you're never going to roll that boulder up the hill...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'words, sonshi, words and bluster'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by voting for the lesser of two evils you are ensuring that you'll always get evil'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it kept getting worse because people kept believing that there was no point in selecting the lesser of two evils, even as their apathy caused the two evils to get more and more evil'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'tiger, instant runoff means you basically cast votes in a priority.  Simplified, I might say Jill Stein's my #1 choice, and Obama's my #2 choice'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'candidates are eliminated from the bottom one at a time, and votes for them reprioritized'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the voting system that got kicked into touch when they suggested it here'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so once Jill is clearly not the winner, votes for her are retallied, and my vote then goes to Obama, thus not "wasting a vote" against Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called 'Alternative Vote' system'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's deeply flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people's votes count multiple times'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either go first past the post, or proportional representation'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the main advantage of this is that if i prefer nice candidate A, then corrupt democart B, then crazy republican C, I'd vote A,B,C. In the usual system, you'd vote B, since A appears to have no chance'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was soundly defeated here when it was suggested, and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, if you don't like that system, don't complain about the two-party dominance. This is the only way to end that'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I do like proportional representation, and for a large body like congress that's a good idea.  Does little for the Presidency though unless you want to commit once every hundred years or so we have a green party president just to make the math right'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's much fairer than first past the post, or party lists'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way it is now, if you prefer a third party candidate, your vote doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the framework built around fpp not, fpp itself that's to blame'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff is the only way to make sure that everyone's vote will count, regardless of who they support, and in what order.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely irrelevent if the constituencies are too large and the democracy too big'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(whom)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I don't believe that, tiger.  The framework naturally built itself around the system.  It's like complaining there's too many rogues/warriors in aardwolf, the problem isn't the players, the game's balanced in favor of melee'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inevitable that the framework builds itself around the system - power corrupts, which is why your two parties are corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'any FPTP system converges on a main party, and a party trying to beat that party.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is why that power base will seek to protect itself from change'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least if you have small democracies you have an easier job ousting it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff is really hard to implement, however, because of its fairness. It's terrible for entrenched parties, and it is directly harmful to the ambitions of anyone who is holding an elective office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'smaller democracies people have to actually give a crap, become known in a community through local service, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but there's a problem with that too'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'resources are largely not equal throughout a country'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you have rich and poor areas: make education a local government function, and schools in those poorer areas suffer more for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never have a perfect system, but the larger the system, the more centralised it is, the more corrupt it is, the less efficient it is, the less representative it is, and the more oppressed the people it pretends to represent are'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hence, IRV, or do a lot of pushing by constantly picking the lesser evil.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but, that centralized government can do more, too.  The US would have never gone to the moon relying on local governments to pitch in where they could on a space program'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'space program isn't a local government issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it is if you go full tilt libertarian :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so, there's a need for some moderation :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarians would collaborate if they wanted a space program'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hate to do this amid a good discussion... but I have to return to work for a bit :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you want to know why there aren't any real libertarian countries? Because they get outcompeted and destroyed by stronger systems...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they get usurped by empirism, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we need to pick the best from a set of systems that can actually be competitive'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we just have dictatorships and communism lite'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's ironic that even though on paper my govt appears much more tyrannical, it somehow feels freer than the us in many ways...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be something to do with the rule of law'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taking better (though not perfect yet) care of the poor. Better housing. Less crime and fewer gun-toting police roaming the streets...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my government has been slowly ratcheting in a police state. Fortunately for them most of the country was already dependant on government welfare so they've largely go it all in without people noticing'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're just better at hiding it than America'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also don't have a pesky constitution here for people to use as a yardstick'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, they don't need to come out when there's nothing happening'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh wait, were you talking about the uk'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... it's been slightly more than 10 years since I visited the uk...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outwardly looks no different, and that's the play, you see'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when I went there I remember thinking that everything was so bloody expensive'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality, we have more cameras per head of population than anywhere else on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now prices are so much cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything you do is monitored'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prices are still expensive here, nobody can afford property'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be a good time to take a tour there'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, it's probably more expensive for the locals, sure...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average property is 8-20 times average wages'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you see, the pound had been overpriced for a long time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well again, same problem, we don't MAKE anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our economy has basically been propped up by debt for 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just devalue the pound some more and you'll see the manufacturing rush right back in'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'devaluing the pounds is what they're doing, however everyone else is devaluing their currency, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not my country!'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so net effect, everyone gets poorer because wages stay the same, cost of everythign goes up'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fun graph - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GBPSGD=X&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c='
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only shows 5 years, but one pound used to be worth over 8SGD 40-50 years ago. Now it's a bit below 2.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise if push comes to shove, you'll just get invaded'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the US/UK answer to devaluation'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have no natural resources'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's nothing anyone can gain by invading us, except our people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And who'd want those?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'exaclty! Wait...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(exactly)'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typing too fast... muttermutter...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SeXyBiTcH Fearlis: 'whats the debate in thhat? "my arm hurts when i go like that.... Well then stop going like that"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay, we have a port... but the US already uses it... and warships from various navies sometimes stop over too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally it would take an act of insanity for a major power to invade us...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smaller powers, terrorists... different matter.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while I still doubt anyone would try, our bloody govt is paranoid enough about it to conscript us so that they can say "you and what army" to anyone not a major power.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can think of doing really is try and insulate myself from the problems by investing in land'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the value of land will drop if people start to die off in the long term...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8shifty'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, no doubt, but in the meantime it's a case of trying to secure myself water, food, and energy'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... in the short term, it will...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't expect the trouble to end any time soon, we have barely seen the start of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully expect things to get a bit hairy out there'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but by 2050, when the effects of warming are apparent, it might get hard to produce food and water, depending on local weather patterns'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's quite predictable what will happen to local weather here'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'england probably will be fine in the early stages, yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we won't'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I meant weather-wise'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our climate will become more like continental europe'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'nope, even they first world country somehow they still feudal in some ways'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the gulf stream will move away'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we will be colder in the winter, hotter in the summer'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and as a country their debt is very high'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the short term, you'd be able to cope by switching crops...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'later on, it might get a bit hard, depending on how well the pollinating insects are doing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if climate doesn't screw pollination, GMO will'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO/herbicides'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ironically, GMO might wind up the only thing that can grow well enough, if insect species are hit hard...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gmo should be taken out of the hands of profit making corporations'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only way to be sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, to be realistic, govts will probably seize all that ip under emergency measures if things get really bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the biggest threat facing America, government declares martial law, you'll probably have civil wart'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war*'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"that's very nice, monsanto, what you've got there... we appreciate your contribution. Here's a dollar"'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not so sure what will happen here'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably some sort of guerilla war instead'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I suppose if a country prefers to kill each other instead of facing their problems, nothing much you can do at that point, save for education.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'desperate people do desperate things'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the event of a collapse, people will be starving'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll have people who are desperate, people who are criminally minded, and those who aren't prepared to put up with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if things get bad, I'm heading for the canadian border. But barring a major shock, it's still a long way off'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the buidlers, farmers, and defenders, the vigilantes are really what you -want-, but the government HATES them'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there'll be a period where there is civil unrest where the government is actively clamping down on the defenders'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas if they had any sense at all whatsoever, they'd welcome them into the fold as part of the solution'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people trying to grab the lion's share of life-supporting resources for themselves in an emergency usually aren't part of the solution...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an extremely one-sided way of looking at it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'side with them, and the rest will come after you...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when we had riots here the other year, only a few people stood up for their property'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a selfish thing, they're defending their community'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about not helping people, it's stopping people being raped, killed, looted'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about looking out for each other, but at a local community level'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, defending your property in a non-emergency and defending your hoard in an emergency are two different things...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communities died here 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the contrary, it's helping your family, friends and neighbours first'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a realistic situation, what do you suppose those facing death will do to those who have what they need?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'die'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so one way or another there'll be war, if the govt did not prepare enough beforehand'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the country is that screwed up, perhaps they need another country to manage their affairs for a few years... cough cough.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'e'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm under no illusions as to the -possibilities- of collapse'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it'll get that bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's certainly going to get rough'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it makes sense to make some sort of preparations and contingency'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, when global warming starts to really hit food production, the first to die would be those in poor countries.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone did likewise you'd be essentially softening the inevitable fall'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich countries can easily spend more on food. It might be a strain on finances, but they'll pull through.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have considerable and, imho, misplaced confidence'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west is broke'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only rich country is china'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the decrease in food consumption will come mainly from poor countries... and there'll be wars, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and saudi'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they're either going to have to tax the rich more to pay for it, or suffer civil war. Even the most selfish will realise what the choices are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich never get taxed'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the rich run the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor countries won't have that choice, they'll go right into starvation and war'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although the rich run most countries, they're mostly not dumb enough not to realise when the poor are about to start breaking (their) things.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find they don't care'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? I find that the rich care even about little things like whether their houses are well kept, not to mention if random people are trying to kill them'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the really rich don't live with the poor, they live offshore'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offshore, or in exclusive fortified redoubts'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even if they don't currently live there, their wealth is there'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all the money in the world isn't worth anything if you can't buy stuff with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can trade with each other'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with what? Who's making the stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll essentially become neo-feudal'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'run from the poor, and they lose everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history teaches otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they have military, they have police, they have authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the peasants are starving, they seige the fort. The occupants starve or are killed...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a different version'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the peasants are starving, they siege the forts'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the masters send in aircraft and kill most of them, the rest capitulate'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those things only work if the masses aren't starving at first. It has to be imposed to a DPRK level before the starving can commence'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well lots of things are going in that direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people do not capitulate if they are close to death anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it starts with erosions of privacy, erosions of freedoms of speech'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warrantless monitoring and warrantless searches, detainment without due process'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making it illegal to be critical of authority'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you speak to anyone old enough, and they've seen this all before'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or anyone who has studied history'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of abuses, it seems some state is trying to remove obama from the ballot'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or the republicans in that state, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, bet it's Arizona'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cyrni raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be an interesting experiment to see one or more states declare independance'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Kansas, leading the nation in votor suppression.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they manage to pull it off, and people are still okay with the republicans, watch them try it in more states next time!'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think the only catalyst that will cause people to wake up and seek meaningful change will be collapse or war'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise everyone just thinks kicking the can down the road it will go away'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, with the climate problems, you'll get that wish in a number of decades...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i've already said that the climate problems will be superceded earlier by more pressing issues'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hopefully it'll be more of a soft landing, but...'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always argued that chemical pollution and overpopulation/resource scarcity is a far larger problem than global warming'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it won't be, because it will be a problem unless we wipe ourselves out first'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest poll ROmney 48% Obama 45% 2% other, 5% undecided'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of campuses in USA got evacuated following hoax arabic bomb threats'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think it was Majic doing her Achmed the Dead Terrorist impression'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'aliens.'
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'ghosts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So a bunch of butthurt Islamists are rioting in my city tonight...over a film made in the US by someone totally unrelated to Australia...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'WE'RE ANGRY.  WE JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'THANKS'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They don't understand the concept of freedom of speech.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Australia does whatever the US says, so they are rioting there as a proxy :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'To be fair, a rather astounding number of people don't.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This picture makes my blood BOIL. http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/15/1226474/786997-protest-involves-children.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Lots of 'em also get freedom of religion wrong too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In the nordics we've taken a lot of heat, because of some artist/writers that are doing things they don't ike, such as making pictures of mohammed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is a quickie question, why are they doing that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The better question: who are the Muslims to say they can't?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because they can.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To make a point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tbh I believe any involved in such protests have proven themselves unfit to live in a free society - ship them back to places they are allowed to pull such bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, yeah, them muslims, who the hell do they think they are? Didn't they learn anything from the crusades? They are dirt, and should be happy we didn't kill them all!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'happy, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think they are stupid, but I am prepared to defend freedom of speech to the death.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why are they stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, what a load of bs - because some Muslims got killed in the crusades you should be killed for making a cartoon? Fuck that noise'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the artists are probably protesting against extreme muslims'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They use silly pictures to make a point. I think they could be more refined.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/603325_10151145003185982_1463940868_n.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure the muslims would be happy if they used oil paintings instead'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vakieh, the crusades was just one episode, if they are not to be afraid then why the US has a fleet in the Middle East? Would the US tolerate a fleet in their waters?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to say that muslims are alone in that. Plenty of christians that also would like to limit what you are allowed to do based on their beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, what does historical oppression have to do with current rights?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you sound as if the film maker was being innocent about the content.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are still being oppressed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Innocent? It was a film. Nobody should die due to a film'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they tried to burn down the US embassy because of US wars on the middle east, I would support that, no problem.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But not because someone disagrees with their made up beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that goes both ways.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's say, the US, or US citizens, have burned Korans, made films defaming Mohammed and have been involved in one or two instances of genocide. I can't imagine why they are pissed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And that justifies killing people totally unrelated to the events?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That justifies rioting in a completely different country?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing ever justifies killing people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But both sides are killing innocent people, and the US are killing a hellofalot more.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it does not justify it. But 4 people died there and the US is all over it, but when a US soldier killed 16, they got him a lawyer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can burn any book I choose, any flag I choose, say any religious or historical figure was a bestial fucktard - still doesn't justify any violence against me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if you bomb my home country, then things change.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We thought the wedding was a terrorist exercise, otherwise our drones would have bombed the other wedding..er..'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Tinada's head.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'First of all, Vakieh, burning books, burning flags, and defaming religious figures are your right. The problem is that rights are human construct, they are only good if they are agreed upon. So, what you are saying is because your country grants you the right to be an asshole, people from other countries have to go along with the program (or you'll send in the marines).'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anaristos: you aparently didn't actually read what vakieh was talking about...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'meanwhile, you are saying "fuck their right to protect their religion".'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's not talking about anyone in another country doing something, he's talking about people getting violent in australia, where he is'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I'll read it again.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're getting violent after not having anything done to them'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they saw a picture'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you think that the film shouldn't provoke them, maybe you have a point. However, the film did.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and from what I have seen, the maker of the film had that intent. It wasn't a mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being provoked is fine...rioting at home is not'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd argue that some rights are universal, and everyone should have them. If your country doesn't "give" you those rights, that country is not democratic and you should feel free to ignore it. Freedom of speech is one such right, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's their land, why can't they riot there?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not rioting against the filmmakers'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'perhaps you don't know the meaning of riot...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The film maker said the religion was one of violence - not slander if it's true, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not smashing things in their own house'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from criticism.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, they are attacking US interests, so the obvious solution is for the US interests to go elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion, if you want that, which is often forgotten'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Hey McDonald's, don't let some guy in Hollywood make a movie!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz, y'know, they're related'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is fine in your country, Ranrr, that doesn't mean that is has to be that way in theirs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would not be opposed to a complete ban on religious protests.  And that worries me a little, because I'm usually pro any sort of protesting freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say it has. '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I call that a universal right, and any country without it is not democratic, and can go fuck itself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I demand freedom of religion in any country, any person.  If you don't give it, then to me you are a tyrant and deserve ousting by whatever means necessary'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not all countries want to be democratic...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Same deal for freedom of person and speech'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's freedom of person?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do rights emanate from some natural law? There are no rights, let alone natural rights. Rights are agreements within a group, there is nothing natural or universal about them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Umbrella term covering cruel and unusual punishment, corporal punishment, etc (that does include the US death penalty) etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Countries don't have opinions, citizens have. I bet most people prefer to live in a democratic country, given a choice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, when the US finally conquers the whole world, they all peoples will  have rights :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When will the current US people have rights, then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It isn't even about democracy - democracy can still vote the majority religion over minorities.  It is about being humane, and not being a backwards, tyrannical country/religion/group of people'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, being humane... just like that US soldier was last month.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is neither  humane not democratic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, 1 guy does something sociopathic.  Correct response is to lock him up, and either treat or segregate, as the case warrants.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The patriot act removed the few remnants of democracy from the US.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the guy has rights, he got himself  a lawyer and he will probably walk because he was "temporarily insane". '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Patriot, DMCA, United Auto...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like the guy at the movie theater... temporarily insane.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is a failure of the justice system, and still doesn't warrant any bullshit like we're seeing'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, go tell them that. Tell them they are violating the rights of US citizens living in their land. Tell them that they will get sued if they don't stop.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sued? That is quite possibly the only time a military response is warranted.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but wait, they won't get sued. They are going to get a division of marines rammed up their butts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, how convenient that the US has to deploy more troops to the Middle East... he would have thought that the day was coming...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean I don't want to be cynical but...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US response will likely not be the right one.  But the right one imo (complete destruction of current World Emirate government, restructuring of education to eliminate gender equality, not allowed to teach religion until age 18) looks too much like brainwashing, and is too expensive besides.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, take over their land.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They have proven themselves unfit to do so...then again, so have the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I don't think your country is right...your country is hereby revoked'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, because, after all the US is the owner of the world, and therefore it will enforce its laws on your land if you don't behave. I mean, pay attention and don't forget to bow.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who said anything about the US doing it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, who else?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate is the only force on the planet currently...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err US is'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the "allies"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether you call it the UN or not...it's the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, the US gets help and support'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the brunt of it is the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is the only military that wants to fight wars all over the world, but not the only one that could.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we can be thankful that no one else wants to do it,  because the US would gleefully start a world war then.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only one that could successfully on that scale'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You have a very strange view of successful.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the US is not successful strictly because they're NOT doing it that way...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm relieved that the US is not that successful. Would be a even worse world if they were.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the taking over of a country was extremely successful by all measures...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but after the country takeover, that's when the goal/tactic changed and the effort was much more reserved'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's where success will be elusive'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For me, success would be if all US soldiers were thrown back to the US where they belong.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer the world to be free from invaders.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right now, we're discussing the success of a directive to revoke a country, not what's right or wrong :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Success of a stupid action is irrelevant. '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the "smartness" of the hypothetical construct is similarly not part of the current discussion :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'It seems to me the idea to take over the resources of the region paints the strategic picture...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unlike, the former USSR, or Germany for that matter, the US is obsessed with having the image of a good guy, so it waits until something "provokes" some action in its part, then it pounces. '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, that's just good tactics'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they can always say that they did it to protect some "right".'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The provokation argument isn't for good guy status, it's for treaty sanction avoidance'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you don't look like the good guy to enough people, then people form ally powers against you'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is how germany fell...both times'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no argument, the problem is that obviously the people buy the act.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But Germany was legally required to fight WWI...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You giggle.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The problem with Germany in WWI though was everybody ended up legally required to fight everybody...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And of course, the 2nd time around it was the fact Germany broke their USSR non agression pact...most of Europe would be speaking German otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'going back to the good guy image, a cynic would point out that the "provocation" can be generated by paid agitprops disguised as local "patriots".'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '=h 12'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it could'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only in eeefil countries, obviously..'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've certainly done plenty of subversive destabilizing over the decades'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'eefil-but-good-looking'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, somehow, the current situation has a bad smell.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'now it does'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just a bit too convenient, as I said before.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me speculate, the US will find that Iran is behind the "riots" and... wow, beautiful :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'except the Iranians are not behaving well, there has been no violence.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thinking of what you said about destabilization, I bet it surprised the hell out of the US, that Russia actually managed to survive well enough that the US could not enter militarily to "protect" the people :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nukes. Fin.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'georgia probably came close'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I think what happened in Georgia was staged.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Russians felt that Georgians could become strong enough to challenge them in the region so they stopped them cold at the beginning.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the downside is that when the Russians start looking for allies to counter the NATO threat, they are going to be SOL.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever heard of China?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'China's pretty happy to just turtle up and go with economic conquering'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plus, once again, nukes are the only ally you need'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... it is quite odd when a country feels that deliberately (knowingly!) sabotaging the country is free speech rather than treason...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you're willing to use them, and have someplace to drop them'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the cold war obviated the fact that neither power wanted a tactical war.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if it's all right to talk about national secrets in the presence of russian officials...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what secrets and what officials?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't see any...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Just wondering  what the americans consider free speech...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the first amendment was instituted to protect the rights of the citizens to criticize the government. It has grown from there.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just as the second amendment granted the citizens to protect themselves against the government's use of military forces against them. It has also grown from there'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pretty much anything not government-classified or slander is a go'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All your rights have been false-flagged away'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '. o O ( libel )'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can be branded a terrorist threat and incarcerated indefinitely with no due process'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so something like... "why, security is so lax in (insert major city) that if I were to (detailed bomb making plans) and (more detailed plans), it would be a terrible disaster. How terrible!" would be fine?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm going with the more-literal definition of "talking about in front of" ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your rights are lip service'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"terrorist" meaning threat to the establishment (of the NWO)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher is telling the whole world to suck it!
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and with the new presence, I'm outta the channel...have fun gents :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Sonshi, you can say that. As long as there is no connection between you and the one who actually makes the bomb :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler pukes on Questor.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am out also'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yay!  debate channel is all mine to fart on now!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher enthusiastically high-fives Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything happening here ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'AIDS!   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDS!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you're all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'am I in the Matrix?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I've got a question for you  guys'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'anyone listening?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: '(anyway) ok, here goes:'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'suppose I have a farm'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I have 100 people working for me, and I pay them $20 a day'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'suppose their work makes me $5000 a day'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'ok maybe less'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: '$3000 a day'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the question is:'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'am I paying them $2000 a day or are they paying me $1000 a day to give them orders?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'They give you their time in exchange for money. First alternative.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your $1000 profit isn't a wealth transfer from them'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'DosseT what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'all I know is that Im sitting around and making $1000 a day'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I mean that your business brought in $3k from your clients'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '$2k goes to cover your labor, in the simplified example'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '$1k goes in pocket - that $1k was not furnished by your labor'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'right, since the farm is mine'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'also its my business'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If I buy $3k from you, you make $1k from my purchase - your labor didn't pay $1k to indenture themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're just sitting around doing nothing and someone's doing the managing for you, that's basically your rent.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'rent, exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're getting paid because you have the land and they don't.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least until the next revolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'yeah, tats exactly my point'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so what I'm thinking is'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're actually doing some managing, you are getting paid rent plus your labour as a manager, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'should a person really be allowed to "own" a huge piece of land forever and just sit on the profits while a thousand ppl work their asses off?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ask the ones with the guns'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ask the Fed/IMF ..'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'its not like owning a car'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'or a bike '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Car's a depreciating asset is why'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'you're owning a piece of the fucking planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, morally speaking, probably not, which is why many countries have estate taxes, property taxes, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'its depreciating because it doesnt produce anything?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in some countries, all (or most) "private" land is in theory "leased" from the govt'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'only in theory'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as for in practice... varies by country'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you don't pay property tax, you'll be frozen out'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in mine, for example, a lot of land is under a 99 year lease. After that it reverts to the govt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I'd like to know how it varies'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You essentially are leasing "owned" land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, given the age of the country, I don't think this has been tested yet...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'thats cool'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '99 year lease? raw deal...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hermain Cain'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'If I make an investment, I want it to turn into profits'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'but sometimes it just goes way beyond that'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so ok,I want to know about the laws in other countries'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 99 year thing helps to keep the land productive, and also helps to ensure that housing, etc. doesn't get too decrepit'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'is there any law that takes away unproductive land?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What happens in 3 generations then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When the 99 year lease approaches expiration'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in many countries, land which isn't used may be given over to squatters, if they hold on to it for enough time'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'they hold on to it for enough time = they manage to dodge bullets for enough time'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as the lease approaches expiration... you can look for a new place, try to get another lease, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'also the laws exist, but I'll be damned if they're actually applied'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Do the holders lose incentive to invest?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, squatters usually only get the land if it has been effectively abandoned'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For fear the government won't offer again/reneg, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they need to be there for long enough without challenge'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'ok, but if the land is not abandoned, but it's also not productive?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the price goes down as the lease approaches expiry, of course, but that's all factored in the initial price anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'as in, the owner doesn't do anything, but also doesn't let anyone else do'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if the owner is just letting the land lie there and goes around every now and then to check... well, it just winds up being unproductive.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that typically doesn't happen unless the owner is some variety of idiot'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'which means it happens a lot (most) of the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'at least here'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where's that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'nobody gives away land, even if they dont have the money to invest in it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'brazil'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's no reason not to'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, they may have some plans for the land...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Real estate always appreciates'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or are hoping someone would buy it, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'their plans are to shoot the ass off anyone who enters it and try to plant something'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'im kidding but yeah, of course they have plans'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'even if their plans only happen in 50 years (of unproductive land holding)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I know they're entitled to it, but the question: should they be entitles to it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'entitled*'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if something more valuable can be done with the land, someone would likely offer the owners a good price/rent'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they refuse, they're probably planning something better, I hope.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'in a perfect capitalist free-market world, yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'better question is who "they" are'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'common people'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Brazilian? Foreign investors?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'no, just people who want to work the land and have something to eat'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'which is a lot better than starving to death on the sidewalk'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What's the question then'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'if they should have the right to work on unproductive land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, random people may not know how to work the land without damaging it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'thats owned by someone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe there's a shortage of competent farmers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Have they the right simply because it's vacant? No'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Would they want to? Likely'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'brazil, after all, has a lot of land, and not everyone can farm well...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I suppose I'd rather farm bad and eat than not and not'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you're the owner in question, it works to your benefit'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I wish they could understand that, I really do'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... rather than that, the govt could just pay them to build roads or something...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Positive sum game'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're creating wealth'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'builds roads? fuck that, hippy communes everywhere!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the govt only pays themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so, what if had a system where you only own something while you're actively using it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'we had*'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'something more dynamic than what we have today'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'would that be good?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For the biggest fish'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really. How would I switch uses? It's going to be unproductive for a while'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and what if you're keeping it fallow to repair damage?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'well then you have a reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's not going to be any difference then, because people can cook up lots of good reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reason will be subjectified to rationalize whatever the most powerful wants to do'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'heh, I like the way you thin'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'k'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instead of increasing productivity, more effort will be spent on useless legal rationalisations'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'ok so basically if you're poor you're fucked, same as always'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I think that's my conclusion'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best way to make land productive is to set up better systems of information exchange, so that owners of unproductive land can easily find people who can make it productive, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or rather, make it most productive, because when they don't know that that guy can offer the best price, they might hold out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the ideal scenario, if the owner had full information on anyone who might be conceivably interested in the land, making a decision would be pretty easy, and there'd be no point holding out too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, this requires a lot of effort on the part of the govt, and information costs money too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'hard to understand why someone would rather leave the land idle, but as stupid as it sounds, it happens a lot'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'maybe because its just less trouble, and land keeps appreciating anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That they are leaving it idle indicates that they have a higher payoff from something other than leaving it available'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...or they're stupid'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yep, use the land and you opne yourself up to lawsuits... could lose the land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'plus if you spruce it up you pay higher land taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land taxes are bad, mkay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'hm, thats a good reason...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'so basically you pay less taxes if you dont do anything with it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets pay tax over and over again for something you already own, that sounds fair'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'its very fair, considering you own a piece of the planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but generally if the land's value is higher, you pay higher tax.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you're using it, ensure that the potential profits will outweigh its non-use'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Otherwise you're expending effort to lose money'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd suggest the right to a tax-free slice of the planet is everyone's right'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'everyone's? pfft. '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I wish it was'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonetheless, you'd still turn a profit if you're just renting the land out on a short term basis. The problem is that there might not be any demand for it... in the sense that no one wants to pay rent for it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure, if the planet is Mars.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think the government has more right to my share of land than i do, then i think we have a problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'first of all, why is it YOUR share of the land?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my 1/7bn th'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whatever the fraction is now'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'oh ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is, everyone thinks they have a right to more than than is their "share", simply because it was given to their greatgreat...grandfather 500 years ago by King Whatshisname'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'thats exactly the issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And King Whathisname just took it from everyone else back then anyways'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two wrongs don't make a right'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and everyone thinks that his 1/7bn ought to be a nice green piece instead of the sahara'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Three lefts make a right'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because in the past some bloke witha  crown thougt he had a bigger right to my land than i did doesn't mean that it's now right to tax people for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that it shouldn't shirnk when it becomes 1/8bn...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelvent detail'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that he should have the right to show up at some farmer's home and kick him out because I want my fair share of the land, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'there's no fair share'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not suggesting anyone booted out of anywhere, but an opportunity to buy my own, not buy it then rent it on top'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I think you should be perfectly able to buy your share, just not keep it if you don't use it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a point of not having to rent land i already own off a government, it doesn't have anything to do with if it's my fair share or less than, or more than'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There'll be lots of dog-in-the-mangering'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not your business what i do with my share'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big corporations will buy land and sit on it to drive the price up'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait, that's happening right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in most places, owner-occupied property is taxed at very low rates anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might be justified in having rules to prevent me from totally screwing up my share'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but on every other grounds, my share is mine'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'it's somebody's business if you're letting it rot and someone else could be planting food in it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's usually a more than fair price to pay for protection, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then tell them to fuck off and farm their own share'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: '"shares" are not infinite'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor is population that want land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'they're expensive as fuck and only a few people will ever be able to buy one'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is there a strong welfare state in Brazil?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'crop-planting is how the dustbowls happened in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'fuck no'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're expensive as fuck because some asshat governments over time have crippled the market and the ability of customers to pay'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"developing country" and "welfare" rarely find themselves in the same sentence...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not out of any real shortage of land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the government have crippled the market? jesus, you're sold'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'surely it wasnt the big companies'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'by big i mean FUCKING HUGE'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK housing bubble is largely a rigged close market'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prices are high because lots of people are willing to pay high prices for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'brazilians are ecocidal (abominations)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prices are high because the market is starved'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not enough supply released'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'higher property taxes would alleviate that'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big building firms sit on large banks of building land, government are colluding in it because they talk to the big building companies to plan town expansion plans'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It would just choke out the smalel guy Leinei'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'small too'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody else gets a look in, in terms of zoning'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so these companies sit on their land, not building, in order to starve demand and keep the prices high'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government sold off all it's social housing to buy-to-let landlords'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so rent goes up'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'you see? that's why I said you should only own it while you use it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'it's a static stupid system'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buy to let is using it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The end game of "own if you use" is that the government owns everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just saying, evidently, it's not TOO difficult/expensive to own land, if no one is selling.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their ownership persists, cuz they'll always be using it "leasing" it to you'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrap it, scrap a lot of the rules on zoning permissions'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe you country is that screwed up... how'd they ever get an empire?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the housing market fall'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the enemy had spears, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'empire?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had artilliary, rifles, and cavalry'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like invading a country with tanks when all they have is lancers'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, some of them had guns!'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e germany vs poland 1939'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'you mean like iraq and afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(and a completely corrupt govt)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'wait, the USA lost to vietnam on those circumstances..'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'didn't help that chinese generals were busy looting the armories and selling off their artillery for scrap at the time of the opium wars, I suppose...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the pre-WWWII Poland government disarmed the populace (and somebody said: so the jews may be safe ?) '
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cia put mao zedung into power'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was bright of them'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'debate the CIA seems to initiate and assist a lot of later disasters'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're good a screwing things up'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'False-flagging and agent-provocation is their job'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope they're on you're side, but you know already they're not, they're on their side'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with the Arabs, by the way. Some one made them cross at you for some reason - you might want to nip over there and have a word'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some toerag from Israel probably made that film to drag USA into it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the mental-retard acions of the CIA may be due to the fact that religious-fundamentalist mental-retards are giving orders to the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are complaining they were tricked into the video'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'Arabs are weird'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that presidents don't control the cia'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Truman realized that after he created it'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign intelligence services is largely a-political, in the sense there's little direct control by government, and it's policies continue across government'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'George "read my lips" Bush was in the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why obama couldn't close guantanemo and pull out of afghanistan despite promising to in his pledges'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason int he UK we're getting laws so taht police/intelligence services record every email/website visit/search everyone does'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without a warrant'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why coppers have stop/search powers without the need for good reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Already had that here with Patriot Act 3.0'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, is why you can have your guns confiscated for any form of alcahol or drug offence'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's no free speech anymore - there are "protest zones"'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'why not, right? good citizens shouldnt fear the govt/cops.. right? right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of whether you're charged or not'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Tigernuts, what are you going to do about that, other than whimper'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'being a tiny country, our leaders seem to have a firmer grip on our agencies...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my country'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to sort it out yourself'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'hey Zela, that which you said about brazilians... care to elaborate?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally? i'm going to fort up and watch people suffer until they're sufficiently aware of what's going on themselves'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a documentary stated that half the south american rain forests are gone'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, free speech intended to sabotage the country is fine in america, as long as it bashes muslims. Protest inequality in the streets, and you get pepper sprayed and stuff...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'oh, yeah... I understand now'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'unfortunately its true'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which doc?'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that is a lot of rain-forest ecocide by abominations and their supporters'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I think its a lot more than half gone, actually'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the rain forests were so important, they're have police and army down there patrolling that, not giving people tickets for txting, or harassing people with a spliff, or prosecuting mothers for letting their kids play outside, or prosecuting peopel for having vegetable gardens, or jail people for having a run-off pond ont heir land'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No money made off of preservation'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No doubt'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '731'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The police are revenue agents, not public servants'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're certainly not there in role as peace officers, to protect people and their property from the misdeeds of others.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'the police is the mechanism for the reproduction of the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Police in the U.S. are not required to protect you'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I had a police officer just sitting on my porch at 3am in the morning once'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do not fulfill that role, we should dispence with them'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The power is attractive to bullies who want to join the Brownshirt hit squad'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They'll always be someone eager to join'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess so, just like the TSA attracts paedophiles and defrocked priest kiddy fiddlers'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and fat sweaty guys and big lesbians'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fat ugly dungaree sort that see men and vile subspecies'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'you seem like a nice comprehensive guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'easy to get along with'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a govt agency (supposedly) overseen directly by the PM, that's supposed to keep a close eye on the police and govt for corruption and abuse...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such things here are government quangos and therefore always likely to side with the powers'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's important for the anti-corruption guys to be directly under a (the) top leader, so that they're directly responsible if the job's not getting done right.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our lot are far far far better hiding corruption like that in house'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's no separation of powers here'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the corruption situation gets worse, fire the PM at the next election, since he's in charge, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're then into party system problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if the party wins, can't be PM without a seat in parliament...'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here, our candidates are hand-picked so we spend our time arguing amongst ourselves while overlooking the fact the candidates are on the same team'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All our presidents are related - they keep it all in the family'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, our current PM is a son of the first (although the second was unrelated)'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't see the problem if the functionality is there'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Herbert Walker and Dubya are something else'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how well his kids are doing in school, I can't help but wonder if they're aiming for the position too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'school confiscates rosary beads claiming they were "gang symbol"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'teh Iesu-13 gang'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ46ZkJY8oo&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Heya Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Muppet song ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Atheists, by definition, do not believ in a god. Just clarifying.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as opposed to agnosits - define those guys Rann ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'not quite true -- atheists do not believe in any god -- that is, as an atheist, there are lots of gods I don't believe in, not just one'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agnostics are people that say that they don't know if a god exists.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can be a agostic theist or a agnostic atheist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some "atheists" do not believe in the gods of religions that condemn their sexperversions  (evil grin)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, Swalec.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the original definition was more subtle than that -- an agnostic was some who thinks the answer is unknowable'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the true classification og agnostic is either your version butthe classic version is that God is unknowable ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that sounds more correct, Swalec.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an "agnostic theist" is not a genuine agnostic'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it is an important distinction -- as an atheist I sometimes get accused of having faith that God does not exist, and this is not true'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'please read " the cloud of unknowing" for further ref '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the distinction between atheism and agnostism is not one of certainty of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I also recommend "the god delusion" by richard dawkins'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gah, richard dawkins'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'of course, these days, I generally prefer not to describe myself as atheist because I don't want to define myself in terms of fairies'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a guy who needs a gag'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so I call myself someone who is free from religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'decides to wait until the synopsis comes out (not even going to read the Crib notes)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'because he doesn't agree with you, tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'richard dawkins, the science community's largest bigot'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with what he says but the way he says it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'because he's an irritating git, because he is smug and because he is married to Lalla Ward, subject of many a teenage fantasy'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like him for all those reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean he's a paedo?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep, a lot of "fairies" and "tinkerbells" are "atheists"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except I have no idea who Lalla Ward is.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Google will tell you'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is too lazy to google'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'richard dawkins is no better than islamic extremists in terms of holding militant, bigoted, and often close-minded and one-sided views'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like smug gits. We need more of those.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'by "teenage fantasy" of course, I mean people who are now in their forties but who were teenagers when she was on the box'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'with one important distinction, Tigernuts. He does actually have evidence on his side. I think that this is important. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, dawkins is an anti-theist. I think he has good reasons for it, and I agree with them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it's not, swalec, because he's applying scientific principles to something that is nothing to do with science'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"and in the beginning God created the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like saying "This performance of a song is great because it fulfills scientific rules a b and c'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'nothing to do with science? '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a theist view, Tiger. I don't agree with that view.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh - too late in my window does this occur - I will participate next time '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if theists kept their faith to themselves, I would agree. But they don't, so we must fight against the insanities of religion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'religion constantly speaks on issues where science is a far better way of finding out the answers. To say that the two talk about different things is, I think, not really supportable'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue the same of government, ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Lalla Ward" almost sounds like a Doctor Who companion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry, I'm not an anarchist, like you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there's a coincidence, Xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree that religion should stay out of government, and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course it should. That's the law, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In civilized countries, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, all those people who rally against religion for that reason, are the exact same people who seem to think it's fine for government to be interfering in every facet of peoples' lives'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're confusing religion with dogma'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which makes them hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, it's not. There is a law about it in some countries but not others'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a law about what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'religion and government being separate'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That was the reason for the 'civilised countries' qualifier'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely irrelevent, modern societies owe a lot of the laws and moral compass to the combined weight of religions and cultures going back into history'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what religion is'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is in theory secular, but not in practice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and it's not hypocritical to suggest that government should be involved in peoples lifes but religion should not'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion, culture and governance are inseperatble in history'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden is pretty secular, both by law and in practice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno about other countries...'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you try to pretend any different, you're deluded'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in my country, state and religion are closely intertwinned'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm sorry, Swalec.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Government exists, but religious deities do not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people who follow richard dawkins don't even understand the role religion has played in the development of society over the ages'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'however, in practice, religion has relatively little influence on politics. Compare this to civilised countries like the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'religion was a great source of wisdom at a time when purely visual observation and speculation was the only way to learn about the world.  Now we have science the time has come to let that go.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore they fail to learn the lessons of religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them, as we can see from all the WARS and FINANCIAL COLLAPSE int he world'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so take your richard dawkins, shove it up your arse and get it and your stinking thieving warmongering government out of my life'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, Dawkins comes from a country where historically, religion sectarianism lead to centuries of fighting, burning and bombing'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Tigernuts on his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice way to combine two completely different issues. By nice, I mean stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Disprove religion with science'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ideologically, they are the same issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Give me a proof, for example'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the real world isn't neatly comparmentalised'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is linked'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No need, DosseT, it's up to religion to prove its view.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here's the awesome thing - I don't need to prove religion is wrong, religion needs to prove it is right'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking about dogma'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'not really -- government should be based on democracy, while religion is largely based on revelation and authority'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether religion is right or wrong is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Religion begets dogma, but dogma is not static'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's perfectly sensible to say "I think government is good, religion is bad"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You think the ability of the US government to motivate and mobilise their country against the World Emirates isn't nearly entirely based in and of religious differences?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'DosseT, the moment you provide proof that the universe wasn't created by a giant, flying, invisible spaghetti monster, I'll provide proof that your religion is similarly incorrect.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong straw man'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the xtian right in the Us is a Major voting blok imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Not at all.  Pointing out the absurdity of requiring science to provide a negative proof of your religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Straw man is based on an "incorrect analogy" - please indicate the incorrect analogy or stfu'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minority these days, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm a "science/logic" person, anyways'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol - christian white is still the majority in the US, whatever the 'war on christianity' nuts claim'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prove we're not in a black hole in a black hole in a black hole'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Saying science can test this and that has no effect on what is'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'psychology has validated a number of Buddist meditation tequineques - lol .. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big difference between right wing xian and nominally xian'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is nominally xian majority'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's simply an algorithm applied to glean information, whether true or not'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'active xians less than 5%'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I say disprove religion, simply because I can't'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which is an interesting definition of "majority"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As I said, I'm a science/logic person'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enjoy guys - will participate in thsi s next time '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you can't disprove religion because most religions don't have a well founded question in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'faster and simpler to prove that all major theistic religions are false and or fraudulent than to disprove that the universe was created by a God'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How can you prove that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again - no need to disprove ANYTHING.  I don't act on religion being correct simply because with the information I have at my disposal it is the less likely reality.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can prove existence of God about as well as you can prove the credibility of Democrat and Republican policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all major religions are obviouislty defective'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- window closing - Tz nearly out '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The issue is people acting on a LESS likely reality as if it is CERTAINTY'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset this is an old argument -- you cant disprove the theory that I am an invisible pink elephant. This is true, but does not actually lead to a sensible debate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all major religions are obviously defective (unless a deluded believer of that religion)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Use of reductio ad absurdum arguments weakens your argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all religeous symbols are cultural clothing on a bast type '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone is making inane hyperbolic claims'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defective in what way? that implies you understand their purpose int he first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A magic sky fairy is an inane hyperbolic claim imo'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh ok really out Tz - out - of deb chann ..........for now ........'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prove we're not in a singularity? You can't'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like I can't prove God didn't create the universe'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset -- I believe that "God created the world, and I can talk to God, so do what I say" is an inane hyperbolic claim'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again - there is NO NEED TO DISPROVE.  Religion is possible, sure.  But it is highly unlikely based on the information we have.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is living in a singularity not inane and hyperbolic?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A null hypothesis stands until disproved, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't prove anything - simply fail to disprove'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'An untestable hypothesis can be ignored for practical work'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki I have further information emperically proven :P next time :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset there are any millions of null hypotheses'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression you're all extremists'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'exactly, a nigh-infinite'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And they will be eliminated based on the subject's perception/belief system'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That being said, why is the singularity universe more "rational" than the flying spaghetti monster universe?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have a choice - I can take the instructions given to me by a book, and act on them as required to get into heaven, or Valhalla, or Nirvana, or whatthefuckever.  OR, I can live my life as I see fit, enjoy myself, aid my fellow man, and live for THIS life, not some hypothetical, unprovable, unknowable OTHER life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'branding people as "extremeist" doesn't really help -- it depends where you think th emiddle is'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in doing so you're going to dictate others what to believe and what not to believe?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that what you're saying, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, it's your prerogative how to live'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How you choose to live doesn't change reality'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Believe whatever you like - but don't indoctrinate your kids to believe that, and fuck off with your religiously motivated laws.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can live my whole life and never see an apple.  Doesn't me apples don't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'rather'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I choose a way to live my life too Vaki - yet you disapprove of my life ?  '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is a religious motivation for a law any more or less valid than any other motivation?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, Tigernuts, because religion is nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not an answer'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this is an important distinction'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the other reasons are also nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking about dogma - ideologies that are rewritten and changed by man'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'dogma is not the religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - not equiped for this mission '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because the reasoning behind them does not stand to mundane reasons.  Base your laws for the benefit of society, not the benefit of the soul.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how humans choose to live their lives does affect the surface of the planet'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes it is -- the idea that I should, for example, not be able to buy a book on sunday because of your imaginary friend is still'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is exactly what religion IS vAKIEH'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'is a perfect example of a man made dogma swalec'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the history of religions and that's what you will find'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'because religious motivations for laws only force your views on other'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Find what? Burn the gays? The fuck did they ever do.  Women must cover themselves lest they tempt men? Why?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Again, man made dogmas'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset, dogma IS the religion - I am an atheist, so there really is no difference to my mind'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Don't eat pork. Close on Sunday.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The WHOLE lot is dogma, because the whole religion is past down by people'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'dosset made a valid point'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Gregor give me an example of Dogma not made by man'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Okay Gregor.  Please lay on me the divine truth then. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jail people for smoking a plant, jail people for having sex with a 15yr old'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Swalec.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if the law can be justified by you religious tenet its all ready a rule you as a believer should be following do you really have to force the hangup on all others in the form of a law'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jail people for not having paid a government extortion payment'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrest people for having a garden, for collecting water, for not having a vaccine'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Heh, like you'd be on this channel if you were interested in "divine truth". The irony tickles me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrest people for not filling in a form'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People not getting vaccines endangers others.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'balloeny, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tested and proven scientific fact.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Tigernuts, I think you might enjoy reading the most recent few strips of the Illustrated Guide to Criminal Law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greg I'll be back :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in a very very small subset of vaccines'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'actually, Tigernuts, the evidence on this is clear'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'MMR'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or are you one of those autism-from-vaccines fucktards?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'male sodomists pollute the psychic -- hence religions guided by the heterosexual deity disapprove of male homosexperversions'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm one of those "flu vaccines are a vehicle for pharmaceutical companies to make a fortune with little or no benefit to the public" people'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'On that note, disprove that dangerous additives to a vaccine causes autism'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Every time I read a sentence that you write Xyliz, I immediately wonder why.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a "Pharmaceutical companies have been found guilty in courts of faking efficacy data"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Why you wrote it, and why I read it.  Both are baffling.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Science can't disprove that adding squalene and mercury to your body is not harmful and correlates to autism'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think things are so clear cut, you're deluded'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You speak of objectivity, yet remain mired in your subjectivity'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you could perhaps consider something a dogma if it is teaching not remotely based on the religion's holy book. It's suprising the amount of religions that teach something in directly violation to their own holy book. In fact, pretty much all of them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset, we cannot disprove that. What was can show is there, despite having been extensively investigated and looked for, there is not evidence that MMR causes autism'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Science doesn't disprove anything - unlike religion (and the Sith) it does not deal in absolutes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when free markets become government-directed monopolies, you get abuse'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this shouldn't be news to you'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yes.  If you want to disprove anything, you need a mathematician!'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Prove wearing a cross does not cause irreparable brain damage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trust me Jhav - I'm of the same opinion and I'm not 100% so I'm opting for a bedtime story with a nice furry mate rather than ball n all into this - but next time '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Nothing is proven, only disproven'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'for example, there was a stray comment about obeying the sabbath laws. If you read the bible in it's entirety you will see the sabbath is law given only to the israelites.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or failed to disprove'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'when capitalism dictates to democractically elected governments we get abuse'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'prime example of teaching that does not conform to the holy book it is supposed to be taken from.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right - but when making decisions you should base them on the MOST LIKELY possible outcomes'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Dosset, that's is a poor idea -- it is entirely possible to provide very good evidence for something. IN this sense, you can prove something. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you want an honest politically-incorrect debate, then Xyliz speaks  (or do you want a fag cakewalk)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The holy books? The ones written by men, discussed by men, printed, translated, and read by men (not a gender thing, talking men vs deity here)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring it, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate PC'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yes, those books vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Nothing is proven'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who say string up xians or muslims who in the next breath are calling foul if you say you're not gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'anyway, that's my God slot obligation over and done with. I will go back to killing things and cleaning the house'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Theory of Relativity stood for a while - now it's under fire'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly bizarre'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'some people believe those books are inspired by God. I'm not going to comment. All I'm saying is that when a religion teaches laws which are directly contrary to that which is in their holy book, it is clearly man-made dogma.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I say the whole thing is man made dogma'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prove it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'disprove it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can't'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And you can't disprove that it isn't '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Then I win, as the religions say'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you're at an impasse which is broached only by acquisition of data'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Plucking an apple from a tree and turning it into apple sauce does not mean the tree grows apple sauce'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Such is dogma and the religion from which it stems'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'we are always at an Impasse, in that case. We could always get more data. This doesn not mean that we do not have knowledge now'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not so.  The data available indicates the view against to be the more likely.  Therefore, in anticipation of more data you move ahead in acceptance of the more likely view.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are trying to say that the presence of apple sauce implies the existence of an apple sauce tree'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Or the presence of apple cider implies existence of an apple cider tree'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oi, i LIKE apple sauce trees'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When in reality, man takes from something that IS, the apple tree, and fashions it as he will'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Such is dogma and religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the problem occurs when you try and judge religion by the millions of people who don't follow the teachings/laws of their actual professed religion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power corrupts, gregor'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could use the same analogy about "democracy"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'More like: I have 4 quarters of an apple.  They all fit together perfectly, only a sliver is missing on the join of 3 and 4..  Whilst it is indeed possible they all came from different trees, the most likely scenario is that they are 4 pieces of the same apple, and we are simply yet to find that last sliver.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'for example look at the crusades. Look at catholics fighting on both sides of the conflict in WW2. The bible clearly states "love thy neighbour".'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no wonder religion is one of the biggest causes of problems in human history'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what - I am just going to go with my apple analogy and leave it there.  It perfectly sums up everything I am trying to say, so QED and I am out of here :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Religion is a rationale to do whatever'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That people use it as a rationale does not render religion false'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'but if everyone on the planet were to follow that command. "love thy neighbour". "Do unto others as you'd have them do to you". Suddenly we have a system that theoretically could solve all mankinds problems worldwide.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'don't judge books by those who lyingly profess to follow them'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your example is merely a demonstration of Occam's Razor, which, if memory serves, was something to which you didn't subscribe'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it won't happen while you have people in power whose sole motivation is greed and oppression'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a "problem" is the deliberately defective logic used by those debating (to attempt) to score ludicrous defective conclusions'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'anyway, thanks, just my 2cents, I'm going out for lunch'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about epicycle theory - continuous building upon a false premise with "scientific data"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, another shallow debater leaves to go to lunch'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I like Gerald Celente'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'shallow logic points out incongruities and stops to go no further; deeper logic looks at the reasons for the inconguities'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incongruities'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't beat a good sunday incongruity'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It only examines incongruities in the present - it does not look back and examine that which has been accepted as true'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ptolemy believed in geocentric theory'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They built off that, and developed epicycle theory (which is wrong)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The "science" and "testing" was there'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was simply base off an already-accepted false premise'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not enough to say "science science test test", because the data which is accepted must be re-examined'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people confuse science with the 'studies' that governments rely on to push laws through'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're rarely scientific'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incongruities from ambiguities'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incongruities from inane assumptions'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How are they incongruous?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Saying "God doesn't exist because I can't see God" is as inane as saying "God exists because I believe God exists"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i say such questions are a distraction and irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The big problem, I would say, is that journalist don't have enough knowledge about science. They think an observational study can prove something. Same goes for government.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the least important factor about religion is the existence of God'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could remove God entirely and they would be as relevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cop writes $50 ticket for child, 2, for peeing up against a lamp post'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'saying "God doesn't exist because I can't detect God (but keep looking)" is far less inane than saying "God exists because I believe God exists"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is it less inane?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incongruities from faulty comparisons'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a confirmation bias from your standpoint as a 3 dimensional organic creature which perceives by reflected photons'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If God is a higher-dimensional being, then no wonder you can't detect it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To a simple mind, it makes sense: duh, I can't see it, ain't there'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US median income is now below 1967 levels, inflation adjusted'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mathematical side note: higher dimensional object CAN be viewed from fewer dimensions'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Assuming they intersect the viewing hyperplane.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't comment much about that as I don't know, and string theory may be wrong, but I can't comprehend what an 8th dimensional reflection into the 7th into the 6th etc. "looks" like'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Course we can see the 3rd into the 2nd by making a shadow on the wall'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'science is based upon "if something is undetectable by any means, then that something (likely) does not exist (as far as science is concerned)""'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a reflection, it's a projection'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, projection'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Really Xyliz? How did we discover chemistry then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can't see it, so I'm not breathing anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Science is not based upon the beliefs (of the deluded)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Science "is" and humans try their best to explain it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Humans get it wrong a lot'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dosset, in your haste to debate inanely, you are missing the depth'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have a merging of corporate and government powers, it's fascism'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'inconcruities from the shallow haste to debate inanely'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking to a "science" person - bullshitting doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'who is the "science" person?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dosset, you are too arrogant and wrong to be a genuine science somebody'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scientists view arrogance as a valuable trait'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see it on this channel all the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is if-I-can't-see-it-it-ain't-there been working as a general algorithm?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's not science - science questions the unknown to learn'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It doesn't seek to build the tallest structure on a foundation of sand'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tigernuts, I don't think that this is true, but it is true that many scientists are a little arrogant -- there is a good reason for it though'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incongruities from shallowness and the inability to look deeper'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'as a scientist, nature kicks you in the ass so often that you need either a degree of arrogance, or insane optomism. Otherwise, you would just give up and not do something easier'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your original assertion was something along the lines of "God doesn't exist because I can't see him"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and god exists because..?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'persistence is not arrogance'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I like to feel, personally, that I am on the insane optimism, but, of course, you milage may vary'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no direct proof'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like there is no direct proof of a black hole'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Learn to be comfortable by learning through proxies'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There are direct proofs of black holes though'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't see a black hole - you see stars converging'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that isn't true, black holes radiate'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hawking radiation?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'All information we have ever received ever is interpreted electrical impulses conveyed by our various sensor cells along nerve conduits where they are subsequently processed by our brain.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calling information false because it is indirect is to call ALL information false'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Explain phantom pain'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Expectations in the brain'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You just said it occurred along nerve conduits i.e. stimulus'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'i.e. NULL data? What do I do with this? Might as well be pain'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think Vakieh is giving a straw man argument -- it's a version of what is called Stoves worst arugment in the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And exactly - phantom pain was baffling to the current state of science'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Before we learned how the brain works'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So perhaps we have a confusion over what is termed "science"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there is proof that black holes exist -- whether that it direct or indirect is difficult to say -- I am not sure that "direct" has a clearly defined meaning, that's the problem. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Straw Man argument is where you build up an analogy which is incorrect - then tear it down, and say because the Straw Man was false, so was the original concept'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'apparently Dosset is  oblivious to the fact that Xyliz reparaphrased Dosset's inadequate "no see god, then no god" into a more reasonable "no detect at all, then not there"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is perhaps the most accused logical fallacy, but almost never appropriately'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What does "no detect at all" mean?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'esl Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not that - I mean your argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'why don't we start with listing all the evidence we have that god exists?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So if you hear stories/anecdotes/data that suggest God exists, does that change your "detection"? Or does a bias relegate it to trash, and not data'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all that "god" evidence is "hearsay"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, Hearsay isn't evidence'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So does "no detect" mean "there was nothing", or "there was nothing that supports my standpoint"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that was rhetorical'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is with this is that everyone's god appears different -- it's impossible to prove or disprove such an amorphus thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '"I saw god" - possible explanations: mental instability, lying, actually saw god.  Attach weight based on personal assessment of previous knowledge.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So a degree of subjectivity does enter and obfuscate things'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"no detect at all" is different to "no detect"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Subjectivity? No, assessment based on previous observations'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The assessment assigned will differ from person to person'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"no detect by any means" is different to "no detect"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What color is this? Red, fuschia, rose, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Color blind might say green'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Doesn't change the inherent state of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Red is still red no matter what a color blind say'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the point'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'colour is a subjective measure, yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perception is not reality'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's defined by its wavelength not by some subjective perspective'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'By that argument all data no matter what is subjective - it is all processed by a person, and applied explanations based on prior knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, there are two things, the spectral properties of light, and colour which is a perception of the former'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in Science, hearsay evidence is only "admissible" when there is a current independent verification of that which waas hearsaid'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Data is lost. People lie. It's made up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Eratosthenes knew the earth was round in 200 B.C.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'in 15th century, they thought it was flat'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How did that happen?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So give up and go home? What is your point?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'The church had everyone killed who said it wasn't flat'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just cuz so-many-other people agree doesn't mean it's right'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Science isn't well-I-saw-it-and-they-all-did-too'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's something that simply exists, and we stumble around trying to discover the truths'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dosset is seemingly oblivious to the semantic difference between "actuality" and "science" '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Observe. Hypothesize. Predict. Test. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'perhaps you mean "scientific method"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When I say "science", it means that which is'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps you mean "that which we believe"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The scientific method is the only knowledge gaining process which I recognise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"science" is what scientists (and humans) use (to attempt) to describe "actuality"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We share different semantic views is all'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"science" is a (human) description of "actuality"; "science" is theories and is semantically different to "actuality"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ultimately, a human perception of actuality does not impact the actuality'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'even that doesn't appear to be true Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So if X does not Y because Z, does not mean that it holds true in actuality'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'perception of wave forms and all that jazz'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Double slit?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dosset is attempting to use faulty adulterated semantics'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(english second language) Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If we have observed that x = y for all known values of z, it is reasonable to assume that upon a new value of z x will still = y.  Doesn't make it 100% true, but it DOES make it reasonable enough to act upon.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'to steal a quote "I think you will find it's a bit more complicated than that"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you drop a ball, it falls down.  You never know for 100% certain that it will fall down the next time you drop it - it might even fall up.  But it reasonable to assume it will fall down.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'a priori vs. a posteriori'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How does this play into disproving existence of God?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pulling out latin phrases to indicate logical fallacies only works when you use them correctly, fyi...'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And have we not got it into your head yet it is not about disproving?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A priori is something inherently true; a posteriori is based on empirical evidence'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'you can't disprove it, that's the catch'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And in your example, if I am doing a handstand and drop a ball, it falls up'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All relative'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"A priori" is something "assumed" to be true beforehand '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Presume may be a better word'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not if i disagree with the presumption'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is simply carry-over knowledge, which may or may not be right'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'While the latter is knowledge observed now, whether right or wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"may or may not be" is too ambiguous in dounle meaning to be an academic "a priori"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That is a reference to, in your terms, how the science matches the actuality'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'having something a priori is jus a matter of setting variables, each experiment must focus on individual problems to be effective'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If the a priori is wrong, though, the experiment will be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'i.e. epicycles'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but considering individual experiments in restricted selective circumstances and the abusing the results by extrapolating into the wider world is wrong, but happens all the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'unfortunately yes, but that would be a different matter.. '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest crackpot pseudoscience guilty of this are: Economics'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and climate change)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's something circulating here about organics being bad for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, that study written by the same guy who was paid by tobacco firms to claim that smoking is good for you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'that's how we do science, we would need to be demigods to experiment with the whole spectrum of variables (which is close to infinity)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the study that explicitly excludes consideration of the herbacides in growing those crops?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Living kills more people than anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ban life!'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"(even) If the a priori is wrong (though), in some cases the results of experiment may not necessarily be wrong"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'tiger, while I fully agree with you, the best way to counter that would be to do another study considering those and show that the previous one was wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why they do the study at Stanford'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They use the weight of badge and station to influence J-type people (most people are J-type)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nissim, that's when government and media abuse everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Government supports only the science that perpetuates their policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Big Media tends only to push science that government want them to'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'yeah... and there's the loop'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gerald Celente: (Politicians) These guys are out of their minds, and they're running your lives'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(errors from the faulty logic assumptions by those that talk too much without proof-checking the errored nonsense they attempt to babble)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my fact checking service > your fact checking service'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, there is no fact checking for ideology'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'faulty logic assumptions from cliches'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your initial premise was God doesn't exist because I can't see him'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'well, sometimes we just speak our minds, that's cool too'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fact check this: I don't like the taste of Strawberries'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm a former atheist, so I understand your side of the argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Maybe you hadn't realized that'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he might have realized it, he hasn't realised it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's his logic flaw'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some USAmericans are extremely logic illiterate when they speak, especially the liar politicians'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"former atheist" -- that is a laugh'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong words coming from one professing science'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'I think above all we should respect each one's individuality, or else it's very hard to discuss'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'at least to have a healthy interesting discussion'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthy is a matter of perspective'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"former atheist" was likely a "lacadaisical atheist"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'right. oh well.'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, it was a rational atheist for all the "science" reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthy debate for a lot of things, for me, comes from understanding things from a point of view of personal freedoms/liberty'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'by healthy I mean we try not to do personal attacks'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and deriving understanding of behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthy debate as a factor of people jumping up every other sentance saying "prove it" , or "cite sources"'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't helpful or relevent if you're talking about ideology'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'if you're talking about me, I actually said that just to throw his own argument at him'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is also why I don't debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, not you'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know the culprits'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'DosseT care to share with us why you quit being an atheist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Science'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, faulty logic interpreting faulty science results in renewed religious beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I learned this, and that evidence changed my faith'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anything else Xyliz?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some (not mentioning names) are likely decades from approaching where a genuine antitheist is (not mentioning a particular name) -- xchan '
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'faulty science results are not the sole responsibility of the individual who acquired them, but also of the worldwide community that accepted it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I started as one, so it'd be full circle'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Nissim, not sure that observation applies to the reasons for renewed religious beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Maybe you should give the circle a rn'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'run'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're not ready to be pulled out of the Matrix, Xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'It doesn't, actually I didnt understand what you say... it applies to you repeating that faulty results thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'said*'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For all your talk of science and evidence, you wouldn't parse the data'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'also, xchan? what the hell?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i oscillated in a narrowing direction until arriving where i am - (another xchan)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissim: 'can you tell me what xchan means?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teflon non-stick cookware linked to heart disease, study shows :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea, it comes off'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'BPA in plastics a bigger concern'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new toilets will wash you with water because you can't be trusted with toilet paper'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and because your toilet needs to cost 20 times as much and be dependant on electricity and warranty service contracts)'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prolly because of the fluoride and estrogen in the water'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dollar dropped 5% vs the gbp in the last month'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The Revolution Will Be Televised" is a very good comedy show running on BBC3 right now suggest you guys watch it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yemen based branch of Al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill U.S diplomats'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA won't be happy with that - their slaves are off the reservation'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Electricity in France set to rocket in price after Frances Hollande outlines 'green' energy policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the creek bit, southeast of the start of the area and through the custom exit'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libyan official warned USA 3 days before attack, Libyan president has no doubt consulate attack was preplanned months ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US narrative, it seems (fairly to state "as per normal") is falling apart'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'stop playing the game by there rules. make up new ones that are way cooler and get everyone to follow those'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wish the American intelligence services would realise that the reason they keep getting 'found out' and the reason even when they're not directly 'found out' that so many conspiracy theories spring up pretty quickly is because LYING takes a lot of effort and skill, when you lie and cover-up at a global scale, even the smalled mistakes will catch you out'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK intelligence services either don't lie so much, or are considerably better at it'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i don't condone either'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'all theories are just 1 main one the rest are parts to the puzzel or distractons'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you guys realise how screwed you are yet, with the hobson's choice?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, i'm sure all that printing of fiat currency the Fed are about to do with the expressed purpose of keeping property prices high will help devalue everyone's savings'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and put the price of everything up'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder where gold will end up by friday close'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US credit rating down to AA with negative watch'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion?'
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it's too late for you :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US dollar at a 7 month low, mmmm'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Great time to sell TPs. Or buy? I'm bad at these things.'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're one of the richest 5%, it's bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'price of everything will go up, except your wages will not'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when criminals are running your central bank and finance systems'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'that has been happening for a while now tiger'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, since the 70s, but with venom since the early 90s, and accelerated since 2008'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at a tiger shark.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to be a prepper :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'prepper?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not heard of the term?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'care to enlighten me?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone who is prepared for extreme events, anything from financial meltdown to physical disaster'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh i see i get it'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the most immediate likely thing is war in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will probably lead to a surges in energy/fuel prices'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then again, there has always been war in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'availability problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like this'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the danger this time is, unlike previous instances, USA is picking on someone with some capacity to fight back'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'remember the end of 70s'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia and China have already said they won't stand by and let it happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh tiger wanted to ask you '
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lucky, nobody will starting throwing nukes about'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'this thing they saying the americans have, the antena that cause earthquakes is it for real? '
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like pseudoscience balloney to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the physics explanation of it can be real, oh you havent heard?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i see'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard reference to it, didn't seem credible at the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm a physicist'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea i read like 10 diff explanations, can be real but im not sure ohh you are and you think is not real or you trolling'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, definitely not real'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have to work then cya later'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were the sinking refugee ships to australia, accidents, and is there really a asylum island?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Australia is an ayslum'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just curious, i know not everybody's evil, but immigrants are a good way for installing sleeper agents and stuff too, i don't think they keep a close enough eye on stuff sometimes, otherwise reporters wouldn't be afraid to report'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear SnailBot Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that guy in california who made a video seen by nobody until they started rioting across the ocean and 1000 miles of desert, he's hiding for his life now - cause america's border's aren't secure or else immigration doesn't keep an eye on whether or not americans are coming to america'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't seem very right to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is accepting immigrants to preserve freedom more important than preserving freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise why would he be hiding, because somebody across the desert and 1000 miles of desert ordered somebody in america to kill him?'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously not an american then is he, claims to be though'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ocean*'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'christians would have killed nearly a whole generation for blasphemy if they took their religion like islam does'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only reference to punishing people for blasphemy is at the last page of the book of revelations though, where they will have their names erased from the book of life - but not by humans'
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thou shalt not isn't what you should do if somebody does'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything here ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Maths professor suspended for handing out Obama pledge cards in class'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wasn't me'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS purchases 200,000,000 more rounds of ammunition including for sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US administration caught creating computer viruses targetting systems in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the romney video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA&list=UUbWB33FQvFiV0Pq9Calkgzw&index=14&feature=plcp'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the one where he says obama voters won't vote for him because they tend not to pay tax?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but without the "tend"'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statement of the obvious, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor/lazy people will vote for the guy that gives them freebies?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny thing is, retirees lean republican'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle/upper classes vote for low taxation'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same is pretty much true here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think so, but for some reason, a lot of poor americans vote for the one who wants to screw them'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though all the parties are largely the same now'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well thanks to the system, that's both of them'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is likewise true here'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while the democrats do pretty well with the educated middle class...'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the marks? no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Labour did here, too, until after 12 years they finally realised they'd been taken for idiots'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and what's with that false equivalence... one side tries (and often fails), the other thinks you are a loser.'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we have voter apathy instead because they know it doesn't matter the colour in charge, they get screwed'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because you guys don't pay enough attention as a group'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were more persistent in voting for your interests, you're much more likely to get it'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work in our system'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only way you're going to get the 60% of the vote needed to get a third party in is for the system to totally collapse'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and personally i'd be happiest if the country broke back up into kingdoms at that point'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the kingdom of tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, santher, anywhere where i'm not subject to a life of serfdom and poverty where dreams and aspirations are not achievable'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is modern day UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two ways - 1. Short way: Electoral reform, use instant runoff. 2. Long way: Keep up the pressure and consistently vote for the less-bad one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two ways for what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the long way got us to where we are today'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm rather fond of porpotional representation, myself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Porportional, rather'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 doesn't work, and 1 already got voted down'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2 works, just that voters aren't patient enough to pull it off. And are easily lied to...'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 does not work'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 is what leads nowhere except circling the drain'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you consistenly select for the better one, they'll improve. The problem is selecting for the better one...'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'why is all the pressure on the voters, shouldn't the people you're voting work for it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm all for opting out of government'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should, but that's only in theory...'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in practice, they work to get more votes'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why the votes need to lead them in the right direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to earn votes, when they can just buy them'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but instant runoff would solve that problem, of course'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'all else fails, rig the election'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them nuke each other into oblivion and hope there's enough people and land left to start over'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan on the anti-American protests against "Innocence of Islam": "What I think is happening here, is we are projecting weakness abroad. President Obama has these reckless, devastating defense cuts." - Paul Ryan not only voted for those cuts, he actively helped write them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanna save money you gotta spend as much as you can.'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Ryan, upon graduating high school, won the "biggest bootlicker" prize'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should tell you everything you need t know'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the libertarian party wins 5% of the popular vote in november, it gets 90million of federal money to fight the next election'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so ffs, vote for them'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Why on earth do you crazies give parties money for election fights?'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, i'm not american :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most countries do, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Why? Of course, I know the guys make laws about their own pay, but still, how do they justify so gross a misplacing of money?'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop them collecting billions in lobbyist money to pay for all those events and adverts'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so looks like USA has now riled China with their missile defence shield. Way to go, Obama, piss off the two other superpowers in the world, why don't you'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'china is pissed off at everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'china is a mature nation, they won't get pissed off and attack until they know they can win'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Given the choice between (a) parties being financed by large corporations and (b) parties being financed by gov't subsidies based on number of votes, I think it should be relatively clear what is best if you want an actual democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine japan and china will square up to each other before long'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine japan and china will square up to each other before long'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not, china will just bankrupt japan'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I rather liked the suggestion that China should dump their JGBs'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jgb?'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it might even trigger a systemic crisis, which would greatly amuse me (and kill millions..)'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'japanese bonds'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'china has 230bn or so of those'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll hurt japan, but won't do a great deal'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Killing millions sounds cool'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in my opinion, donations to politicians should be illegal, or as a minimum, publicly disclosed'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda hoping Russia steps in in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if the west keep supplying weapons'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama will have the country bankrupt within 4 yrs, you'll all be on foodstamps, or in prison, or in a prison camp'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'romney, on the other hand, will have you at war with the other half of the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold holding steady at $1770'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS bought another 200 million bullets just this week, including a serious number of sniper rounds'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those bureaucrats need their exercise, nothing to see here'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there to shoot anyone who doesn't worship Obama as god'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the number of mass shootings lately, I'm not surprised'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised that DHS has ordered 1,400,000,000 rounds of ammunition this year?'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't train marksmen with blanks'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't train a bricklayer by buying every brick in the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's only 6k bullets per employee'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either they believe they're about to get invaded, or they're gearing up for civil war'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes down to it, those are the only two credible possibilities'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'getting sick of hearing that america is headed for another civil war, get it over with already :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there won't be civil war here, nobody has guns'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm sure plenty will surface should the people need them'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'burying your head in the sand won't make it go away'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I learned in organization theory that 30% of problems go away if you wait long enough..'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'along with 100% of opportunities'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Junk Food is now a National Security Threat'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'I can fly, prove me wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Will, if China becomes democratic it will be the first nation to do so :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything going on here /? '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no there isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you are really, wrong, because now there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, but that makes no sense'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now there is :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but what ? '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'something I wanna ask - how should I wear my hair for training - I'll not cut it '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, DOJ lists having a bumper sticker as terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think your government has gone a bit mental'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Honk if you are a good worker bee!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yo don't want to be offending somebody's sensibilities with your freedom of bumper stickers'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people'll find anything offensive if they can'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they banned those led-boards in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just as well, else i'd be sending "Back off with the tailgating else i'll rip your head off and piss down your neck"'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never drove in a big city before, must be a real pain in the ass'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is fine until you run into someone bigger than you'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't even use cruise control, just about 2 feet between cars, yikes'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cruise control is extremely uncommon here'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently human trials are about to begin on a compound derived from pot that halts a bunch of otherwise fatal cancers'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so potentially this might be as effective as cutting back on sugar?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or taking aspirin'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  just the other month they reported multiple times greater chances of cancer from pot, but yet sciencedaily claimed pot to be a anti-carcinogen with applications like you're saying'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pot doesn't cause cancer'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smoking causes cancer'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good for them if they find one, i seen a stock market listed a few years ago which for .10c was a business developing things like you're saying from pot'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never get to term because it'll be blocked by cunts in big pharma because it means their extremely expensive designer drugs won't be used to make them huge amounts o money'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'anything that causes inflammatory responses almost certainly causes cancer, heart disease and global warming'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a stock*'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xantcha: 'you forgot impotence'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because fertility is such a big problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only if you are 2nd+ generation gmo-fed lab rat, I think'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact of the matter is that governments don't like pot'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like it because it's the preserve of free thinkers'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Pot makes you think? :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporates don't like pot because it growable and therefore they can't make money from it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they don't like people using it because if they're using it, you're not paying them money for their products'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i guess big pharama is intimidating sometimes, i did read apparent accounts of austrians dying unexpectedly or scottish people, a mexican etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know how real they are but, just something i keep in mind sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate interests is why pot got classified schedule 1 in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'it wasn't the pharmaceutical industry that wanted to squash pot, it was the paper industry iirc'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, saric, and cotton'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, "for the wrong reasons"'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but tinada was right, just eat your montsanto gmo foods, after all, it only caused massive tumors in 70% of the rats fed on them'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got into a bit of a pickle at work today by suggesting we should ask for a 50% wage rise next april'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't got a problem with GMO foods as long as they are safe and there isn't a group of lawyers and lobbiests and hitmen who silence the people whod like to verify that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if they're attacking natural foods for no good reason, yet still performing those actions then what are they, really?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree with everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'id on't have a problem with the principle of gmo technology, i have a problem with using it to produce herbicide-producing crops, or not testing it properly, or using it to create a monopolistic market posuition'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically, it's a technology that shouldn't be allowed in the hands of corporates'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so like democratic communism, that's alright'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i feel the same about critical infrastructure and services, which is why i'm a rubbish conservative'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shoved through a new tax on people here and nobody even noticed!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got almost no press coverage, and what press coverage it received, they didn't realise it was a tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's astonishing how fucking stupid people are'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19649747'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was kind of horrified or amazed or astonished at this documentary claiming that 4 offshoots of a nazi corporation (after ww2) and a few other corporations own the patents to like 75% of the human genome'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess in singapore they do alot of that, patent pending in america'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite believe it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like what's the point, what kind of scientists are they?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i discovered the tree, therefore you can't'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently a small bunch of large corporate companies have been quietly taking over local infrastructure all over america'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posing as local environmentalism under Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently arbitrary revokation of private property rights is becoming commonplace in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less of a problem here in the Uk because there's so little property, so what there is is too expensive to be owned by the serfs in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could see that being possible, if that youtube interview with yuri bezmenov is anything real, he pretended to be a hippy'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, recently in the news in britain they say some cops are being charged with some kind of gross misconduct/rape for their undercover operations infiltrating environmentalists and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are coming up on the same tipping point that has already 'tipped' in many countries in europe, and where the UK is roughly at too'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that goes on all the time in the states too, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most/nearly all supremicist attacks and thwarted terrorist attacks on US soil were perpetrated by FBI plants'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember reading that if an american finds an archaeological significant object on their property, they're required by law to report it, who can arbitrarily seize their property'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there hasn't -been- any genuine terrorist attacks in the US for 20 years or more'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as there haven't been any in the UK since the IRA put down their bombs'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes, that makes sense tiger'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought about that alot, especially with revelations like the winter hill gang/mafia in chicago and things like that, upper echelon marxist-leninism totalitarian stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all been perpetrated by rogue elements in various intelligence services in order to further their own goals/funding/foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's been real in the past, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as 9/11 was, oklahoma, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have a hard time comprehending how america would attack it's own WTC and stuff though, i think that came from outside somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never was big on trying to deny that at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally what i think is going to happen, what with all this clampdowns on freedoms/guns, the huge weapons caching of the DHS, the attacks on the 2nd ammendment, NDAA etc is:'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the economy will collapse, which you all know will happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well it's easy when you realize that the us federal government is run by outsiders'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the theory behind america hitting it's own WTC towers seems legit'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama will use it to declare martial law and abolish the States, rolling out the 'federal' central government as the sole government'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be civil war'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not enough states will be able to resist'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wow turned thIs channel on expectIng nothIng'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially be states like Texas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Kansas holding otu'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did see a interview on history tv with a CIA agent who claimed to have informed the white house about 9/11 attacks 2 months prior, who was ignored'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Instead theres a serIous conversatIon about amerIca'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they knew, chemosh, they even trained the 9/11 pilots on American airbases'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and directly after the attacks, they allowed Bin Laden's associates and family members leave the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im looking forward to the shIt hIttIng the fan'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? you're going to die'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'we all dIe eventually'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i hate democrats - they do not value the constitution, so they're the people that will be going along with this'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and republIcans are any better?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the sort of people that will go along with -anything- provided they get their handouts'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you sound lIke FOX'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original republicans are, meathole, not the neocon globalists that have taken the party over though'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there should be a law against lobbiests for one thing, if a foreign country wants to display it's case to the democratically elected government, they shouldn't need to dictatorily hide their problems from the people who elected it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just a pretty big loophole to a democracy i think'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy itself is flawed, that's why you were created as a republic'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah yeah, i'm thinking of a real government that i'd agree with more'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the whole amerIcan system Is flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it'll remain so because you idiots keep voting for the same two criminal groups....'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the rabbIt hole Is deeper then It appears'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it's not made by a rabbit'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Itll take a cataclysm to change amerIca'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you're going to get that, lets just hope you're not all glowing as a result'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'whatever happens, Its better then the hell amerIca would become wIthout It'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold out much hope for humanity, tbh, i think we're all fucked'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm canadian though, canada just goes along with america alot of the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so thanks guys, thanks for fucking up the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they play their issues too on the news here, why i talk about it at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'lol tiger, as if europe didnt fucked it first'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was american global banks that did it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american system has alot of potential, but has alot of loopholes like i said'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'amerIca dIdnt start the banks....'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'we just empowered them'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are, if Clinton hadn't repealed Glass-Stegall and mandated your banks to make crazy loans to peopel who couldn't afford mortgages, the 2008 crash wouldn't have happened'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you really had democrats dont you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'hate*'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the US hadn't attacked itself on 9/11 as a pretence to war in the middle east, you wouldn't have a volatile situation there with Russia and China shouting at us'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate everyone equally'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'clinton was such a faker... he one of the most murderous presidents ever, and sold your miltitary tech to the chinese'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which group's (collective) fault is it for resisting the democrats' attempts at improving regulations and fighting for liberty?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'more murderous then bush?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah meathole'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats fought for liberty?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure all the time, until certain group dragged them to the right'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'groups'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'my vIew, both partys are just 2 heads of the same beast'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i must have missed that through all the attempts to inflict central control on all the states, attempts to destroy the 1st and 2nd ammendments'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, they only did that to pacify the so-called "independents"'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who they figure wanted them to compromise with the republicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'republicans seem to personify national pride and fighting to keep the nation around, without thought for the unemployed or underpriveledged , who compose a significant proportion of america now, which see the democrats as a more immediate solution to their problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meatbag has the right of it though'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'meatbag? lmao'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'tha'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that thing Romney got heat for saying to his donors was the only honest (and true) thing i've heard him say all campaign long'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're the same because of people like you, who refuse their vision of liberty and insist on republican control...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no proper mixes out there that i seen in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wow sonshI...what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think a mix might be deemed socialist though'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't instist on anything of the sort, Sonshi, not being American'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not you, people like you'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'americans'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lolwut'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of your kind in america...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like me vote UKIP'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Libertarian'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as appropriate for their country'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've been hearing "compromise" "compromise" for so long they've abandoned their principles...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have it wrong, i wouldn't compromise'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'so your agaInst compromIse?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people might need to, and will probably not avoid, taking responsibility for their voting choices (or lack thereof)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't comporomise on the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'htat's the whole point of the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Its a lIvIng document'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using corruption as considerable contrast to relative lesser sacrifice is common now, i think'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can say all you want about the constitution, but it's your actions - your voting behaviour, which is what speaks loudest'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my voting behaviour is drowned out by all the sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'weighing foreign issues, usually unneccessary in origin against your own freedom, which makes a little bit here and a little bit there seem like a acceptable negotiation'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who will get what they deserve, a long painful death of poverty and illness'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you and all the other millions like you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hears so many spout the same conspiracy theories, the same talking points...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'what about the people lIke you sonshIm'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(hear)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about what, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'sonshI*'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stuff like the democrats hate the constitution, etc. when you won't change your vote when they shift themselves more in favour of rights than their opponent'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you running on about?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ya, wtf'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would i vote for a party whom i don't agree with just because you're spouting lies about them in comparison to another party whom i don't agree with and wouldn't vote for?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people like me are rare in the US... most of the people like me in the US are foreigners. Given the sample in my dept, a guess would be maybe 1/3 are american?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometime tonight you might come to the point...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, there's nothing they can do that would satisfy you...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lolwut'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because anything they are doing you can dismiss as lies'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'what are you talkIng about? you sound the most unhappy'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can step back from all the measure that they have done that are in contravention of the constitution and states rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can promise to not ever EVER overstep them again'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else they do will still be subject to normal critique'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, which people then dismiss as lies'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dismiss WHAT as lies?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fact is, when they compromise on rights, they get more votes from people who are happy that they are working with the other side...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'are you In a dIfferent conversatIon or somethIng sonshIm'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he is, Meathole'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol, hes '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'blah'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'people lIke hIm are the problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like him are very populace'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too many people buying into conspiracy theories to fix the nation. Got to change that with education, but will they be educated?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'cant even comprehend what others are sayIng'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'why are you agaInst theorIes?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it used to be the case in America though that if you didn't like people like him, you could move to a state where there were much fewer people like him. Unfortuantely people like him believe in taking over everywhere and inflicting what people like him believe on people who don't believe in things like him'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Its extremely healthy to consIder all possIbIlItIes'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've had it up to here with "obama is a kenyan muslim", "911 was done by the FBI", "NASA never sent anyone to the moon and is secretly funnelling money to the illuminati" or whatever...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but sonshi was a fake thing '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of those are accurate'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'because you have IndefInIte prove all thats false?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's a waste of time to consider possibilities which are outlandish and easily debunked'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country doesn't have all this crap, I don't know how you guys managed to get this deep in it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly because your government doesn't try and pull stunts when it's not capable of properly covering their backs'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'because you cant comprehend It, It should cease to be talked about?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well i saw a documental that showed that they didnt had the technology to go to the moon at that time'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'misinformation is spread , sometimes intelligently, by the conspirator's themselves, to obfuscate any real scenario's that observers see'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but then again i wasnt there'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... you saw a 'documental', so it must be true?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well bbc documentals are always true mate '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the abssence of evIdence Isnt evIdence of abssence'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... russel's teapot'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can tell an idiot/psyop very easily when someone starts trying to lump 9/11 and moon landing conspiracies in the same vein'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadian avril arrow rocket scientists worked for nasa after it went out of business'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russell's, rather'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(avril)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but absence of evidence and another far more probable scenario is an indication as to which one is reasonable. '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they apparently went to the moon, that's alright'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and the documental was about that we as humans didnt had the technology to go to the moon, thats what i said'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'at that time'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did have the technology at the time, it was just expensive and risky'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as we have the technology to go to mars now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have the technology to go to alpha centauri now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/collections/moon_landing_conspiracy_theories'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'so just because one scenarIo Is more probable, we should Ignore all others?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the most probable reason for 911 was that osama saw an opportunity, a vulnerability together with the right timing, and took it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Isad'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Osama was not involved in 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thanks majic'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe you only saw part of the documentary, where they were presenting the conspiracy theories, and missed the part where they went through debunking them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More like 9/11 came to pass due to George W. Bush's ineptitude.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one thing that can be said about 9/11 that is agreed upon by the majority of all relevent experts:'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the official government narrative is balls'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe majic, will check it out'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He got alerts from the FBI/CIA (can't remember which agency) MONTHS on advance that Al Queda planned on ramming a plane or two into a major landmark and did NOTHING.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nanothermite?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of whether it was an inside job, or as a result of epic and serial incompetence ont he part of the different intelligence and defence services'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact remains'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given that osama majored in econs, I wouldn't be surprised if he timed the attacks at the worst possible time, economically...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been used to fuck up freedoms and liberties, and used as an excuse to murder millions of people world wide'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Millions?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that isn't a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i thought that too sometimes, if there was going to be a direct link between osama and 9/11 that it would have been performed underneath of what they said it was - because he must have known his chances of survival against america were very low, not very prideful enough to have combatted a enemy who was only arresting some opium smugglers or similar - what all they were fighting for, this confusion tells me, sometimes, that there was most likely something else going on all along'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Yuna, more than a million people have died in Iraq alone as a result of western wars'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doing it right when tax cuts are passing/passed, it would inflict the most damage. Could be a coincidence though...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Afghanistan is headed towards that figure too'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it wasn't for america, afghanistan would have been russia right now, according to what i read, why would the afghanistan people hate america for preventing that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it was done by americans, it would be caluculated to happen at the least damaging time for american business...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if it were nominally Russian, it would still be tribal and uncontrollable as it is now, CHemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I lIke how no one talks about the records destroyed In 911 and how convenIent the pentagon attack was'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false flags have been used forever'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'majorIty of people are so narrow mInded when It comes to thInkIng of the global game...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a large proportion of republicans still think obama is muslim. sigh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'what If he was?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large population of AMERICANS, of either side, think Iran has anything to do with Al Qaeda'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's really no symmetry between the parties here. There are nice people on both sides, but one side has a lot more crackpots'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wow sonshI, just wow'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at certain objective measures, like trust in govt...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aw, did we hurt your Teabagger feelings, MeatHole?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Neocons vs Communists'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which side will I pick? let's see now, oh, that's right NEITHER thankyou'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol hurt my feelIngs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on both sides they tend to trust govt more when their side is in power, but the swing on one side is several times larger'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A majority of the inhabitants of some (all?) southern state are against interracial marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lmfao'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we getting racist now, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'whered you get that Info?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A poll was released THIS YEAR (or last year, can't remember) where some backward state had a majority of respondents say "No" to interracieal marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a fair few places where they still believe that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me try to dig it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher awes MeatHole with her obvious Porkness.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh wait, sorry. Let me rephrase that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'le sIgh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I believe that people have the right to believe what they want, although the government and any government-funded entities should definitely be nondiscriminatory'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '29% likely GOP voters (21 in Alabama) oppose interracial marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government shouldn't have a legal status for marriage, it would solve all the legal marriage issues out in one fail swoop'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'civil unions for everyone! :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Close to half of likely GOP voters in both states thinks Obama is a Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even that, majic, irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(March 2012 polls)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah. It's a bit frustrating to defend the rights of people who all or even try to take away the rights of others...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's nobody's business who somebody elses marries, unless you get into beastiality'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/13/poll-many-southern-conservatives-feel-interracial-marriage-should-be-illegal/)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, parents usually want their kids to be happy , don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(though)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not a who, that's a what.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just cause your white or black doesn't mean you're happiness'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's not really irrelevant, since it automatically defines someone as next of kin/beneficiary/etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with that, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in america, that's one of it's main purposes now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unsurprisingly, 60% of the same asshats from Alabama do not believe in evolution.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'blah thIs Is gettIng derpy'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with same-raec marriage but i don't see any point in preventing interracial relationships'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, Meathole, you can always trust Yuna to burst into a lost argument and wreck it with his wedge issues'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people go where people go'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: '100% of alabama dIdnt take a survey'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're white Christian zealots. OF COURSE they oppose interracial marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'so how could you know what 60% thInk?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I rephrased it as LIKELY GOP VOTERS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Read better.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you read better'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im sayIng surveya and polls are Inaccurate depIctIons of a communIty'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'survey*'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe marriage can be removed from government, and be a civil issue instead'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even need a civil union'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure. It's not like every single poll ever shows the same results for all of those things besides the interracial marriage thing because most polling organizations no longer poll about that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '60%, to some small error within a 95% confidence interval, most likely'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government doesn't need to recognise a partnership in that way'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently it's obsolete in canada now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you mIssed my WHOLE poInt sonshI'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's a handy one-stop low-cost documentation for 'this person is now my next-of-kin, parent to any children born of the union, inheritor of my estate, etc. etc.''
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Tigernuts, you'd gladly give up all of the rights and responsibilities afforded to you by marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im startIng to thInk your Incapable of understandIng anythIng I say...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surveys can be quite accurate, given the right methodology'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can still have those responsibilities and rights should you so wish'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you so choose'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except you DON'T if the government rescinds all marriage laws.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have a contractual arrangement'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and how is that different from a voluntary civil union?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'other than being drawn up by a lawyer and costing a lot more, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'If you belIeve surveys are accurate, I have no hope for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No longer will you automatically have the right to visit your spouse (you'd need to file documents for that... that cost MONEY). No longer do you get to file joint tax returns, saving money. Adoption would cost more and be more complicated.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A whole lot of things would change. They'd be more cumbersome AND cost more money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not all surveys are accurate, but they can be quite accurate if well-designed and well-sampled.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're anti-marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as far as I understand, you're basically saying either "I don't understand stats" or "when I say accurate, I mean 100% accurate!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's so good about that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i'm anti-marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im sayIng theres no way to effIcIently survey a populatIon on theIr belIefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the strangest stance on any issue I've seen in weeks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which doesn't mean i'm against other people being married'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not the whole population, no, but if you sample properly you can get a very good estimator.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'okay, I'm going with the first interpretation of your statements...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you just said that it's good if we were to make it more cumbersome and expensive to get into long-time committed relationships.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have a long term commitment to someone without a legal contract'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i agree with tiger there'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say you couldn't!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop implying it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I NEVER IMPLIED THAT!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have nothing to argue against'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that you think it's good to make it harder and more expensive to have committed long-time relationships!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course you can, but if you aren't legally their next of kin (which you aren't, without a contract) their family can prevent you from seeing them in the hospital'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find i said that governments shouldn't recognise marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anti-marriage != anti-government recognisation of marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this has already happened with a few homosexual couples.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YES, little TigerNUTBAG.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol whysomad yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In response to that, I said that the government not recognizing marriage would make it more expensive and cumbersome to have long-time committed relationships.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'To which you responded with "Good". Are we getting senile?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't disagree with fucking FACTS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it would make it more expensive and cumbersome to have long-term legally recognized relationships.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not fucking facts just because your mouth uttered them'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just remembered why I stopped even TRYING to engage you in debate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should recognise unions, no need for ceremony or anything, just stop by the relevant office and sign a couple of documents'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they alw'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'because your dumb?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'always end up like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'relationships do not need to be legally recognised'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'breaking a union? Just stop by the same office and sign a document'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, yuna, your proclivity for personal attacks and relentless screeching don't make you very much fun to debate either.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you are hospitalized, your partner won't even have VISITATION RIGHTS unless you're in a legally recognized relationship of some kind.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'UNLESS you file for a living will (I think that's what it's called), which is cumbersome and costs money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'relationships do need to be legally recognized if you want to have visitation rights, parenthood of children established, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just put them like next of kin and thats fixed'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I've visited friends int he hospital many times, and that isn't legally recognized...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, i can go visit friends in hospital without being married to them'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I wouldn't even care if we called it 'designation of next of kin' '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can, because they aren't in comas, or their kin aren't blocking it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'le sIgh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You CAN, it doesn't mean you have a legal RIGHT to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next of kin is far more arbitrary because it doesn't delineate a marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not if you've been specifically ordered by the next of kin to be kept out'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Unless you consider Facebook friends a legal designation *shudder*'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The hospital and/or family can bar you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they bar you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ylias: 'off'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they're fucktards? Who knows.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cos they don't like your relationship'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if your partner's family doesn't like you or your relationship'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what happens if they fall SERIOUSLY ill and need surgery?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, i guess that in a world full of people like you, that might happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, no one ever has had problems with their in laws.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The kind of surgery that needs an "OK" and signature from someone? Since you're not married, you can't make that decision. or the decision to pull the plug. or ANYTHING.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never experienced it in my 35 years, and never heard of anyone that has either'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well like Majic suggests, you could designate a next of kin for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Is this a gay rights visitation argument?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that it matters when it comes to pulling the plug'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'yuna you keep sayIng the same thIng whIle mIssIng tIgers poInt completly'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Are you speaking from experience Yuma or just hypothetical, cause I got to tell you: some people here have lived through this and are hearing you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've never experienced robbery in my life, and no one I know has either! There's no such thing as robbery. QED! I get it now!'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't care what we call it. I just think that two people should have the ability to say 'this is my other half''
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Schiavo case. Michael Schiavo had to fight for close to a fucking DECADE just to have the right to pull the plug on her and allow her to finally die.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DESPITE being her husband.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, majic, there should be no need for government to have the power to say "you cannot have THAT as your other half"'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'thanks for proven your poInts wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MeatHole, learn to read basic English or be quiet.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh then you should say you dnr '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've had no trouble understanding Meathole'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol more personal Insults please'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say I had any trouble understanding Meathole, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you are *'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you should learn how to read basic English as well.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the heck did you misread "read" as "write"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'yuna, why are you so damn unpleasant?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criticising others' language skills isn't conducive to getting swaying people's opionions'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the government shouldn't say 'you can't have that as your other half' :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Michael Schiavo had to fight for that basic right DESPITE being married to her. If they hadn't been married, his in-laws could've barred him indefinitely from seeing her.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the hell difference would it make whether he'd been barred when he was already in a relationship with someone else?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you took my advice, Yuna, his in-laws wouldn't be able to bar him'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If they hadn't been married, they wouldn't be his inlaws.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, they'd have been her parents :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Remember November!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and therefore, her next of kin'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, they'd be her parents and he'd be a fucking stranger.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the eyes of the law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'thIs whole debate Is retarded'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think Yuna is taking gaffe lessons from Joe Biden.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'nothIng but mIsunderstandIngs'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, meathole, not like there's anything more important going on in the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like the economy is collapsing and everyones' rights are being trampled on'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tigernuts. Let's go back to yapping about conspiracy theories about 9/11.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of rights...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There is a sticker "9/11 was an inside job" in the times square subway stop a few days ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'because your retarded marrIage debate Is better yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That got removed pretty quickly :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they don't like those for some reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Majic. I do believe you're allowed to have pretty much anyone as your "Next of kin". It's just that if it's not a family member or spouse, you need to file a document for it and it costs a lot of money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there was nothing to it, they wouldn't get so arsey about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I do love how people pull out the 'there are more important things'.  To the people involved, I'm guessing 'other things' were pretty fucking low on the priority list.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'as far as i know yuna at least in mexico dosent cost money'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, yuna, I want it to be as easy as getting a marriage license is now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, try pasting a "the Holocaust never happened" sticker in Germany and see how fast it gets removed...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'does that mean there's something to it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, it costs money in SOME countries, like the U.S., AFAIK. Because, you know, EVERYTHING costs money in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't have a problem with their being a minor fee, just have a problem with it necessitating a lawyer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's one slight difference between those two incidents, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes people get pissed *because* there's nothing to it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'someone has to pay the fIler...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think that it IS as easy as getting a marriage license. It just costs money.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(which a marriage license also does, but still)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'LMFAO'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: '"but stIll" greatest lIne youve saId all day'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's annoying, though, is that it costs MORE money to file than a marriage license. Which is ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is wrong with your I's?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just like if you keep yelling outside someone's house that their father was a hamster and their mother smelt of elderberries, and other insults all day long, the occupants are going to be somewhat mad...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd work for free if i had a place to stay and adequate freedom to do what i do when i'm not working'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im on a phone and It auto caps them lmao'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yuna, its free in some states in America to get a license to marry.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money's preparation for the future mostly, better to have diamonds or gold or emeralds'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is? Well, that would explain Las Vegas.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's probably some config option to turn that off...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't buy gems, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i figured out how to make gold from a worthless mineral in greenland and a radioactive byproduct changing eachother :), they know how to make fake diamonds'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'probably, or you can get used to capItal I's everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real things are still pretty good though, especially emeralds and other rare gems that're harder to clone'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or we can make use of the handy dandy ignore feature :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people'll always want some of that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'but then youd mIss all my awesome commentary'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is good, precious metals generally, as are firearms, ammo, food, land, and skills'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cash... isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i suggested a 50% pay rise at work today :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'forgot water'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, water'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where do you get skills now?  '
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you need money for that in just about every case'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'derp'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a world where gold has value is also a world where some currencies will have strong value. Except in very odd circumstances.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'how do you need money to get a skIll?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want degrees'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'To pay the person teaching you'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'In the age of the Internet?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold isn't an investment, but it is proof against inflation and currency devaluation'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why investors flock to it in times of financial strife'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they raised tuition in my province by 10% this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(like now)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Internet learned skills are quite often bullshit.  Quite often not, but quite often bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not many people can learn unassissted, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'less people will get even a slob job from university now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and many practical skills need practical experience'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and what happened to learnIng skIlls from frIwmds and famIly?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'd make you pay if you were my family :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'family has largely been removed from society by government over the last 50 years, meathole'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I know how to survIve perfectly fIne, and I dIdnt pay a dIme for my knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and skill specialisation has meant skills aren't handed down anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not everyone can learn quantum mechanics from their uncle Richard'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, we've had 20 years of .... excess? ease?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'why do you need quantum mechanIcs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'quantum mechanics is first year chemistry..'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which has meant a generation of people have grown up with little or no life skills'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'say you want to do engineering, build some complex electronics...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You need to qualify that with a location, Tigernuts.  Then understand different people might just live differently to you'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you need quantum mechanIcs for engIneerIng?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'for electrical engineering you probably will in the near future'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'are you dense or retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's typical of the whole of the UK, Vakieh, and many other non-rural locations'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for electronics, these days, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wow....'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you want to be a mere technician, fiddling with yesterday's stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'What? :P You need no quantum for EE'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Well it depends... are you a researcher or an engineer?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The electrical engineering I'm interested in is the quantum teleportation circuits currently in RnD'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's standard these days... well, at least at my undergrad place...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of engineers in my QM class with me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Just because it's standard for classes doesn't mean you need it to do the work'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol people these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's headed in that direction, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not all use it, of course,'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If you want to do research and design new tools, sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But the majority of people don't do that'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be headed in that direction for decades in research before it goes anywhere near real world'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'they take tools that are essentially plug and play and use them'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... technicians don't, for sure... but aren't engineers the guys who actually make new stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'it has been headed in that direction for years already.  wake-up call, QM has been around for almost 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Almost 100? More like 50'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'le sIgh'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost 100'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I guess when I say researcher, I mean people making things like memristors and that sort of stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Although they are engineers to be sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'The majority of people take things and implement them to aid in a task'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guys building new types of hard disks, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Like I'll take a bunch of parts and design a circuit for a CD-ROM or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'QM was first introduced in 1932'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But I didn't design a resistor'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'that is 80 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'which is closer to 100 than to 50'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was in development from the 1900s onwards, bert'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Anyways, its a simplified viewpoint - the more you know the better off you are in general'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: '(which is another simplified viewpoint)... but you get the idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in theory as far back as 1840s with Faraday'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I don't think you need a hard QM background to do any EE at the level that 95% of EEs work at'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'my point is that QM is not new, and if you don't think that computing and circuit design aren't headed in that direction you're very shortsighted'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Maybe I simply don't know what EEs do these days :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That's perfectly possible too'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'its not about what EE's do right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'it's about if you're going into EE right now and you'll be working for the next 30-40 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assuming there's still a civilisation in 30-40yrs time for EEs to 'do' in'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I just know it's a requirement for them to learn, maybe so that they can get the best jobs which actually need that sort of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and yesh, so that their knowledge would be relevant for their working life'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, doom and gloom aside, the world has been in much shittier points civ-wise than it is in now.  The only possible end scenario is nukes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll see'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's climate collapse too...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could be a major contributing factor to WW3'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Climate collapse hit mankind before they had the ability to create fire, we made it out ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other side to that is everybody says they made it out fine until they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was when there was plenty of land per person, and we didn't have tons of nukes in the hands of nations who can get really desperate...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'look'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the countries that can figure out how to insulate themselves from as much of the problems as possible are much more likely to survive... things like underground construction, land reclamation, bioengineering...'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'er mischan'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'plenty of DUMBs here'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'So, how are thIngs on my new favorIte chnnl?'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the coal industry's going bankrupt and we don't have anything but fracking to replace even half of it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'means at least an extra 10% to your utility bills and to anything that runs on or is made with anything that runs on electricity.'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'dry humping is not really sex :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Map located on the passenger seat" of ac ar could warrant investigation as ap otential indicator of terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically anyone who expresses a view that isn't left wing is considered a terrorst, according to new DOJ training documents'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i slip through a rent in space into 1930s Germany?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://publicintelligence.net/slatt-terrorism-training/'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and everyone thinks that hitler did it :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it makes my mind boggle, then you hear people like Sonshi and Yuna going along with it thinking it's great'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, the way I read this, it says everybody who expresses some views which are right-wing may be considered a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'get people distracted with details and they won't see the whole picture'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which is quite different from anyone who expresses a view which is not left wing is a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are equivalent in execution, swalec'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'you think hitler got to power by telling everyone his full plans?... i doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i'm should he used the word "may" a lot too'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'dure*'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'grr :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a disgrace, whichever way you look at it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't think so. I mean, I would treat someone who says "Hitler was good" quite differently from some who says "we should teach an O-levels again"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a bumper sticker read "Blow up all democrats", or "Gas all jews" they might have a point'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by their same argument, "Vote Democrat" bumper sticker wouldn't be considered terrorism, but "Vote libertarian" would'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has been proven with Ron Paul 2012 bumper stickers being classes as terorrism'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, if you assume, "may be associated with terrorism" is the same as "throw them in prison" then yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, as a cyclist, I am extremely suspicious of BMW drivers. This doesn't mean that I think all of them are dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think it ok that black people get stopped and searched here because they are black?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'being black isn't really an opinion though is it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find that's the point'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'go on, explain'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an opinion cannot be a indicator of terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i need to dip out, but i'll pick it up later if need be'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'terrorism sheesh, area americans still falling for this crap?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, it clearly can. If I am of the opinion that terrorism is a good thing, and we should bomb the US, then this is clearly an indicator of terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, santher, check the channel h istory and check out that link'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, swalec, how does "Vote Ron Paul 2012" indicate terrorism?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'on that I can't comment, as I do not know who Ron Paul is'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wowo, just wow'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'he's about the only guy in the states that's trying to fix your mess'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'quick glance at Wikipedia suggests he is one of these tedious liberatarians who want to take us back to social disaster of the industrial revolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'although maybe I am misreading it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that comment speaks volumes, Swalec'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'I'm surprised Ron Paul is still alive tbh...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, it says that I don't agree with most of what you say. But hey, we can still be friends. '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ron Paul is/was a rather intriguing blend between sanity and outright wtf in policy making'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'probably he is just trying to keep everyone on their feet'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the sane part is advocating policies that would vastly enrich his holdings while wrecking the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not my kind of guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that's been the standard approach for Friedmanite economics for the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe he was in favour of ending marijuana prohibition and incarceration, but at the same time is ok with sexual harrasment in the workplace (so long as it does not constitute rape)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He was in favour of ending things like the Patriot act, and DMCA, etc and upholding net neutrality, but at the same time was anti-abortion'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, so, he decides policy objects with dice -- "I'll take two right wing, one not so right wing, and one random plase"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well he's already 100 steps ahead of any democrat or republican canidate'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Interestingly, he wanted human life to be considered to begin at conception...but was ok with embryo-lethal stem cell research'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '(a new) human life does begin at conception'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but stem cell research should go ahead -- so I am with him there'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If I kill (abort) a physiologically dependent group of cells (zygote, embryo, foetus), that is not taking a human life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swalec shrugs
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it depends on how you cut it -- I think it is taking a unique human life, but that this is not in and off itself a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all those who decry stem cell research would hardly hesitate to get a heart or liver transplant...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'what if i hate all medical science because i was never good a biology class? I only like impersonal physics based technology.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'biology is physics, if you don't believe that look at the graduate textbooks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'clearly if i'm going to be as capricious as my last statement is i'm going to have some sort of line of didtinction some place that makes you lose and me win right off'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'distinction*'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, when you come down to it, all sciences but physics are a specialized  branch of physics :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'ever heard of sungazing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'go look it up if you haven't, you'll get a laugh'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are having a giraffe'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It's nice to know that the borders of my country are protected by a goon force that will happily let criminals in, but if you order a product from abroad, they'll attach a mafia-style extortion payment ontop'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '30%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they wonder why people commit suicide and/or go on the rampage. Perhaps if government and their goonsquads weren't such cunts, people would feel the need to'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'land of the free'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not in the land of the free, i'm in the UK, which is the land of the really fucking expensive'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Are they criminals because they want to enter your country?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'antartic ice sets new record'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'for what Tigernuts? Freezing out? conspiracy theories?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'record high ice levels'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the time of year'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'of course -- global warming is a conspiracy to make us belive exactly the opposite of what is really happening'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't go that far'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if we don't all burn as much oil as possible, we shall all be freezing in our homes soon'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in fact, I think that is a new ice age coming'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is true is that global warming is an issue that has been exploited by corporations and governments alike for the purposes of profit'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'you sure about that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2010_(Fig.A).gif'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no? surely not? Is nothing sacred? '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think we need more regulation to stop this sort of thing from happening'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of thing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what is this the anomoly from?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'generally the "is global warming real" discussion is not regarding "is the earth generally warmer now than it was hundreds of years ago"...it's generally regarding "is the reason the earth is generally warmer now because of industrialization or is it a natural cycle"...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for me that's not really a relevent issue, abe'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's a justification for an action, and it's the action that is the problem i have an issue with'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could remove every single person and every carbon-emitting entity from my country and it would make a neglible difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what I said, tiger'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll hear the argument "we must be seen to be setting an example"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is fine, so you'd think they would cut our emissions by investing in a self-sufficient green energy supply, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to encourage recycling and the use of local materials/sources'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone familiar with the "Delphi Technique"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you iphone owners have the new "spy on your neighbours" snitch app'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, missed that: People who hold opinions that represents a fairly popular point of view.... are terrorists, according to DOJ'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who pay for a cup of coffee using cash are suspicious and possibly terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think people who pay for a cup of coffee are probably just daft'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think that people who play on muds are a bit suspicious'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'just out of curiosity, Tigernuts, is it that you just don't like coffee?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'love coffee :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'go on...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but criminalising cash is the theme here, not the coffee'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a control thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, everybody has their own theme -- why is paying for coffee daft'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally wouldn't pay the huge prices places like starbucks charge'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'is it better to steal the coffee, or what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had to buy coffee out, i'd use a small independant'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but generally i'm impoverished enough i wouldn't waste money on coffee out'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, so, you don't think paying for coffee is daft then? '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'me neither, I prefer a octupel espresso'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you thinking paying too much for coffee is daft'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying for it at all? no, paying inflated prices to a multinational, yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must I have a lawyer present for everything I say? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, you do tend to make fairly sweeping statements'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, this is the debate channel.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well well well, carry on'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's interesting for me to think of them how many of them you actually believe'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'what you think a reasonable price is for a coffee?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you think about the criminalisation of cash?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$2'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'canadian, us and aus?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how much is that worth in proper money these days?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm from the UK, but since i'm a minority I auto-convert everything to US units for the benefit of the mathematically challenged'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how to answer that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, 1.5 euro'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'seems reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think 2 euro is a fair price, 2.5 if you get free refills (which you typically do in cafe in sweden).'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but that's not what they charge :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're looking at around $5 or more here for a starbucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sweden is very expensive -- I normally expect 1euro for an expresso'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that's because even people that work in a cafe get a reasonable salary. Insane, I know, but that's how we roll.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that argument falls down in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you start getting into a circular argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sure, I think it works well in Sweden. It's just a problem when you are visiting'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but essentially because wages are too low in comparison to living costs and taxation. taxation and living costs are high as a result of government policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tigernuts, it's called market segmentation -- the market charges what the consumers will bear, and in the UK this is quite a lot'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an oversimplification, swalec'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, you may consider it expensive when you visit from the US, because your money is not worth that much anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think you will find most thinkgs are an oversimplification'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Ranrr, Sweden is expensive on most world wide measures. Norway even more so. It is not an issue wrt to the US dollar specifically'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among the problems we have here is a high population density, a corrupt corporate and government, and a nation dependant on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are problems that aren't solvable'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and, mostly importantly, a luxury rather than commodity market for coffee'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any item that rely on cheap labor is more expensive in sweden, because the minumum salaries are higher here than in most of the world. '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or I should say the Nordics.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mormonism, where one does not have the freedom of speech. A Mormon magazine editor (of a Mormon magazine, naturally) is facing ex-communication from the Cult, I mean Church of Mormon or whatever it's called because he wrote a series of articles critical of Mitt Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The editor was also brought by two officials to the Mormon headquarters in Orlando to be interrogated for an hour. This is sounding more and more like Scientology with every passing minute.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Wait, what is there to debate? =D'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ron el hubbard was WAY cooler'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'got to love religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'A cult is just a small, unpopular religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'we're now debatIng how awesome ron gubbard was'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'I just can't see why someone would go to a church where they can't heal mana'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'hunbard* lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'omg'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'fuck my phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'I think that the Mormon church is just a lot more successful than others.  Most churches would love to be as coordinated and well managed and tightly controlled'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Scientology's got Mormonism beat on all of those points.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Plus it shows that your mythology or it's plausability has nothing to do with whether or not your church will be successful'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'It is. Amazing how the story of a treasure hunter turned con-man in the 1800s blossomed into a religion with millions of followers'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'does scientology even have a cool background story? (other than the one about L Ron making a bet)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'scIentology's story Is amazIng lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Yeah only the coolest one!'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yeah, it has all the thetans coming from outer space and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's so much better than other religions'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think Abelinc meant a backstory on the founding of the religion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ron hubbard was a great science fiction writer'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean Christianity, has angels and stuff, but then we skip right forward to a tree and some nails'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Scientology is amazing? The only thing that comes to mind for me is "depressing"... as in the fact  that people actually are a part of it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'scientiology has ray guns and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I meant the story Is amazIng....'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'ah'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'So has anyone ever had someone close to them convert to scientology?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'No scientologists, but my mother did mormonism when I was young'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'no but Ive heard plenty of horrIble storIes from people that have'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ofcourse scIentology has helped a select few'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Woah devil's advocate'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scientology has or dianetics has...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wIthout the bad the good wouldnt mean as much'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and wIthout the good the bad wouldnt be seen as such'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so you are saying things can only be bad, if they are also good'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I am not sure this makes sense -- things can be bad all by theirselves I think'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'even If you only have worse thIngs to compaIr It?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I find the scientology fiction to be more likely to be true than the christian fiction'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'eh, I lIke all relIgIons equally'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'they all have the truth that we are the key to our happyness'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'some religions are more crazy than others imho'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I thought Scientiology thought they key to happines was a machine that went beep'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'while Christianity says that you have to accept Jesus as your saviour'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well Zen says, "just sit there and don't worry about this happiness thing"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'both of those are ways to make yourself contem'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'fuuu phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: '"content'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'well, all religions require you to believe things without any proof... so that makes them all pretty equal'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I lIke the mystIcal approaches to the abraham relIgIons'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'religious people tend to think of that as a good thing and call it faith, which is fine, I guess, if you are insane'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Hehehe yeah, it's fine, as long as you are insane'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you cant have proof of a non physIcal thIng lIke spIrIt though'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'and willing to warn those around you, that would also be polite and a plus'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'MeatHole, that isn't true. I mean we have proof that root 2 is irrational'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't think that this is a physical thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'mathematIcs Is a whole nother story'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'there could be mathematIc proof of a soul'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I meant no physIcal observatIons'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, so, it's just religious non physical things that cannot be proved?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't have proof of things that don't exist, correct.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like gods.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you cant observe god, Is what Im tryIng to get at'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the word proof was the wrong thIng to say'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'theres a reason the kabala has a sectIon for numerology(I,thInk thats how Its spelt)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'they belIeve math Is the only thIng that spans all of exIstence'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'wered everyone go? I was havIng fun :('
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You stare in wonderment as MeatHole lovingly rolls himself in the hay.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MeatHole tries to learn how to breakdance, but fails miserably.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MeatHole slits his own throat and somehow sacrifices the remains to the Sucky-Sucky Life.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'I'm new and just discovered clan shops and that is taking my attention'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'got tied with doing my job for once:-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem with the argument that you can't proof god, is that it just ducks the question. I wasn't really after proof, but some evidence would be nice'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I would suggest studyIng the kabala then'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you can't prove that god exists, it must mean that he has no impact on our lives, so therefore religion is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I can, but It would take days to years'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'It took me about half a year to work through all the relIgous texts avaIlable to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and Im stIll fIndIng new ones regularly'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't prove anything with religious texts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For the same reason you cannot prove the existance of gandalf by referring to the lotr series. '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'do we not prove scIencea through peer revIewed papers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I belIeve the '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'blah my phones beIng dumb, excuse my errors'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'First of all, we do not prove anything. Second, the papers are descriptions of experiments, not the proof iself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'same could be saId about the kabala'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I dont thInk your famIlIar wIth the texts Im refferIng to'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science is a process in several steps. To make it simple, #1 make a hypothesis. #2 make a controlled experiment to test your hypothesis. #3 analyse the results of your tests. #4 repeat the experiment several times'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No religious text qualifies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'mystIc scholars use the same process'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '#1 is there a magic sky ghost? #2 take drugs unto you see magic sky ghost #3 run yelling through the streets about the magic sky ghost #4 repeat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SeXyBiTcH Fearlis: 'meathole? seriously?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you're all unfamIlIar wIth what Im talkIng about, and thus you thInk Im talkIng about the common texts'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'so Ill just stop...lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The devil is in the details. A controlled experiment must be done in a specific way to be valid. Even serious scientists fail with this a lot of the time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, you just lack scientific training, like most people do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why you think it is valid science.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'le sIgh, I never saId It wad a scIence'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SeXyBiTcH Fearlis: 'honestly controled experiments and be squed to say anything you want them to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... skewed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I saId some thIngs are outsIde the realm of scIence'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and thus cant be explaIned by them'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, like things that do not exist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'no lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SeXyBiTcH Fearlis: 'the flu shot doesnt exsist or work'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ghosts, faeries, gods and the like.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im sorry that we cant make common ground ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'can we agree that our understNd'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Imad, my phones beIng retarded'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only thing I can agree on is that you believe in things that you do not know exists. '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'can we agree that our understandIng of lIfe Is extremly narrow?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and yes I accept the possIbIlty of unproven thIngs'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I believe in some things that have not been tested in empirical tests, like string theory. But I do not make life decisions based on those things, and I am prepared to change my beliefs based on observations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Ive never made a lIfe decIsIon on my spIrItual belIefs, and Im extremly open to change my belIefs'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I never change my believes'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I thInk we're very much alIke, just workIng wIth alot of dIfferent InformatIon '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'once I have decided, that's it? I mean, what is the point in thinking something different once you know you are right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lmfao'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'whats everyones.s'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'omfg, Im goIng to burn thIs phone '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'whats everyones stance on the mIddle east?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'leave It be, or blow It to hell?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'leave it be'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that applies everywhere, not just the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ya, I.lI'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'son ofa bItch, I lIke ron pauls foreIgn polIcy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't like UK's health policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all countries should respect other countries sovereignity and leave them alone. If the people are suffering, an invasion never solves that problem, as proven by history.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only is RP's foreign policy ideologically sound, it's also a damn site cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your view goes against the principles of the EU and the UN, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can live with that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not probably, does, and it's a problem, because your view is correct'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I wIsh ron paul had a chance'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can, you don't live in Syria, or Iran, or Greece'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or any other country the globalist neocons haven't plundered and totally screwed up'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'You can't both be against cults and for Ron Paul =D'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no trolling now, CG'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'agaInst cults?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'OK, let me put it another way'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with cults, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'Ron Paul has demonstrated his inability to win broad support'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I love anythIng occult'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define broad support'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and that saddens me CG, because he Is our best bet'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'As long as we are in a 2 party system the libertarian party draws off a lot of the best and brightest of the right'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'The policies are more sound.  '
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the natural party of the "right" has been taken over by neocons and nutjobs'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as the natural party of the "left" has been taken over by communists and global collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as in the UK both left and right are now "middle"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'So instead of choosing between a broader social safety net and smaller government I get to choose between a broader social safety net and idiocy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an incorrect assessment'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'eIther sIce Is IdIocy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your assessment of the romney camp is sound'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your assessment of the obama camp is not'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'sIde*'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence why people like RP and the libertarians consistently poll 10-20%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clevergadget: 'going to get some food from a store, brb'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'has nothIng to do wIth mesIa blackout on RP rIght?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, mh, i don't know, i doubt he'd have won the nomination anyway, but they certainly pulled out all the stops and dirty tricks to make sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'medIa* to hell wIth thIs phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd have done better to run 3rd party'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'he wouldnt have won the nomInatIon cause they wont allow It'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have the neocon corporate backing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wouldn't follow their agenda of war'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the problem Is the majorIty of amerIca Is OK wIth everythIng'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the same reason you wouldn't get a true socialist running for democrats'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'It saddens me'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i have an inkling of what all this ammo purcashing is about'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Ive alot of theorIes on that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'none are good for us lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'what's so bad about failure?  Why this need for a safety net?  This country was founded by people with many failures, but they didn't give up.  The safety nets that the government provide encourage those who fail to stop trying, instead of learning from the failure and trying again right away.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'who saId anythIng lIke that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, for absolute real failure, what's wrong with it is that it ends in death...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I dIdnt see anyone advocatIng safety nets lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and whos to say someone faIlIng wIthout wIll be more lIkely to try agaIn?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are few people left in your country of that ilk, andurien, Romney has said only one thing that was honest and correct this whoel campaign'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that was the comments he got castigated for about the 47%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet it's been no secret here in the UK that all of the election is about the 10% in the middle'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's a sign of a dying democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, I was gonna reach T9 last week but my keyboard cut out'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the problem Is the de-educatIon of the people'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, my theory is that the economic collapse will be an excuse for Obama to fully remove "States" from the legislative process'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that he has amassed all this weapons and ammo is for the martial law that will ensue from the revolt'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'that would be a hell of a scenarIo'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im ready for the fIght'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it fits in with all the federal agency encroachment that's been his signature'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see, in Europe, governments signed up to that end already'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I just want It to hurry up and happen lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're pretending nations are still sovereign, and it doesn't twig when unelected european beurocrats dictate when elections will take place, what budget to pass, and who is allowed to be prime minister'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm sorry, but it's true'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'all thIs buIld-up Is drIvIng me crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i can sit here from a distance and see the analogy happening in the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love the comment that Putin made that was a sideways dig at Obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I mIssed It'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said (of Romney) he's blunt, but at least you know where you stand, and i appreciate that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'the problem with entitlements is that anyone who gets them, immediately finds that they need them.  once instituted, there is no turning back, hence why they are called the "third rail" of politics, any politician that touches them is "fried" in the next election.  Slow death'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'lmao'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, andurien, as a country that's been slowly strangled by entitlement for the last 75 years, i know'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gerald Celente offers some of the most cutting and honest commentary you can find on the economy and politics'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I.hate'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you like Gerald? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he's hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'bah, I wasnt sayIng that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'my phones keeps fuckIng up'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I was tryIng,to say I hate the 2 systems as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'george carlin, please watch :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'I love GC'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ya, I love george'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'great vId'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'bah, phones refusIng to load vIds now'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a slow news day'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china preparing for war against US'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'slow day In general lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'that'd be an awesome war'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'war is never awesome'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reports Rear Admiral Zhang Zahozhong, in the People's Daily (newspaper of the ruling central committee of the communist party of China)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'you mean another country that america sold arms to is supposedly wanting to attack them now,,,'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you have that backwars Santher'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's over disputed islands between china and japan, USA's only meddling in affairs that are none of it's concern'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as per normal'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'ah nods'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe if the USA claimed them instead of Japan and China, it would solve it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'you'd almost think america likes war'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'we do'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, it likes sending it's young people to the slaughter'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a great way of controlling it's population and further embezzling funds for the rich elite that rule them'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'straight out of middle-ages England'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'ah'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace King with "Ruling Elite" and "serfs" with "workers/general public"'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'pur much'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is  great'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3EZQvSCGaJI'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, senior atf agent involved in Fast and Furious also worked for JP Morgan Chase'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'not suprIsed'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the size of that thing! it could kill a badger!'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's what she said'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'AMERICA'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'FUCK YA'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'goin to save the MOTHER FUCKIN DAY YA'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laffs.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has everybody got aids?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'you know it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traditionally, which side is ABC news, left or right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'um, I think left, but that's from someone not subbed to cable'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people can't see the centre, eh? The world's only black and white...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'moderate/centralist/non sensationalist news gets no viewers.  They're called NPR'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were criticising obama, and i thought that odd, as i had thought them left'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well ya won't see it watchin the news'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'its easy to criticize obama :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plumbing - right or left wing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, definitely right wing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A large blue sweatdrop appears on Sonshi's forehead.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest gallup has o 47%, r 47%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'would it kill them to list off the other presidential candidates?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100 days until the largest tax hikes in the history of america'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i'd like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(to see the other candidates)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing it'd make their graphs funky though, since they'd be <6%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'my 401k can't wait!'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ironically, the strongest periods for america were when its rich people were taxed much higher.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Romney released his tax return'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks set to rebound on obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romney releases a letter from his accountants claiming he paid at least 13.6%'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not going to show you my tax returns, but my accountants say I paid lots of tax!'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, released his full tax return for 201'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2011'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... one year...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's release his tax returns, which is more than Obama has done with his birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'The most plausible reason I can think of for his not releasing earlier returns, is that, like many rich people, they may have cheated a bit knowing exactly what the IRS will and will not check. Getting investigated for that sort of small fraud is the last thing he needs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think not releasing them was a deliberate ploy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh gee, here come your lies...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's next? He's secretly muslim?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lies? what's good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander - it's all propanda, just unfortunately you fell for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. And what do you call someone who claims to be a physicist, but who for some reason can't be bothered to or is unable to estimate the first order impact of CO2 emissions on radiative forcing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be long dead before anyone needs worry about that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's no point worrying about it because there's nothing i can do about iy'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what are you, a retiree?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my generation will never be able to retire'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, everyone thinking they can't do anything about it is what lead democracy into trouble...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'leads'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about me or my country, it's about china, india, and other very laarrrrgeee populace countries'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, everyone needs to start doing something about it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you think causing a bunch of pensioners to freeze to death this winter is the best way to go about making a point, fine'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think impoverishing the lower and middle classes so that the uber rich can get richer off the back of climate change, thenf ine'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carry you on'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are far more energy efficient ways to heat a home, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i'm sure there is, burning republicans in a kiln maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is why you impose a large tax, and give everyone a lump sum. That effectively redistributes the benefit to the rich back to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so simple. But no... redistribution! Communism! Bah.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heat pumps?'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a lovely fluffy thought, but redistribution only ever runs one way'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the lower and middle classes upwards to the corrupt fish's head'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you claim to be a "physicist", go figure...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Carbon Taxes are a scam'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only because certain people keep blocking these taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heat pumps aren't efficient because they cost a fucking fortune to fit'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far more than any saving in the lifetime of the system'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're great in a newly built house'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So is manmade global warming being a serious problem that the middle and lower class need to be taxed for'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided they don't go rong'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much easier to impose a flat rate on emissions, and use the money to offset taxes and help the poor'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you just have a flat tax and leave it alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'helps simplify the tax code, collect more revenue from the rich, help the poor.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but no one ever seems to want that free lunch'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want clean emissions, clean up the freight and power generation system and leave joe bloggs alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not as a group, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heat pumps are great for apartments and large buildings'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but nooo, instead of investing in clean power, they charge a levy on personal electric to pay for crazy wind turbines and then start importing energy from russia and france'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not only is it merely abdicating responsibility, it's jacking up our electric prices AND making us dependant on another country'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a golf clap for the people running my country'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with high carbon taxation, you can eliminate income taxation on poor people to offset their expenses, and even offer them lump-sum aid for basic necessities'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you never ever want to eliminate income taxation, it's a travesty that we have a tax free allowance as it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i'm sorry, that's not very right wing of me'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which encourages higher production of alternatives through increasing the profit for such enterprises'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and lower taxes on the poor also increases the marginal incentive to work'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no enterprises, everything is built in china'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't globalisation a bitch, huh? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so it fascinates me how they've managed to get things so badly backwards'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole idea is that stuff which is too important to leave to the markets, or is needed despite the markets, they try and force a market solution for'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like energy and health care'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'net effect, we all get ripped off and screwed over'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yet, the stuff which the government should and need play no part in? oh, well that they have to interfere in'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the free market works well for most things. The key is identifying the areas for which there cannot be a free market.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, where there cannot be a market, where governments try and setup one regardless and we end up with a monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or oligarchies'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'health care, by its nature, has a lot of local monopoly type situations, and therefore can never be a free market. At least, as defined by economists'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like health care'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and housing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and trains'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and water'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and electric'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roads'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local government service provision'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why the govt needs to have a hand in health care, housing, certain types of infrastructure, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a hand? no'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they either need to run it period, or stay out of it period'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you get half and half, you get the uk system, which is a debacle'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you're all FUCKING CRAZY by wanting a system like ours. IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, not all health care needs to be govt. There just need to be enough govt providers to keep the private ones honest'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'likewise with housing'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before any of your crazy fucking bastards start waxing lyrical about the service here and how you want yours modelled on it, TRY COMING HERE AND FUCKING USING IT'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, nighty night :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our health care system and housing are both pretty much the best run in the world, because they know better than other govts how much to intervene'
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Ima stay away from that one'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'infant children do not have a moral right to life. discuss'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1/10'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has a moral right to life. The fallacy is in treating rights as grants of nature. Rights are human constructs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so is morality, btw.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what australian medical journals are touting as a justification for after-birth abortions'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, morals were given to us by god. Without religion, we would have no morals.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, boy'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Well, depends on what logic you're going by I suppose.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion was probably responsible for the standardisation of morals'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and debasing them, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'A lot of pro-choice people use the reasoning that its not life until its viable to survive on its own.. by that logic, an infant wouldn't be either... Not that I agree with it, but i could see that train of thought'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by that argument, nobody in the modern world is viable'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except preppers/survivalists'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am pro stop making stupid laws that prevent people from doing what they want with their own bodies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Thirded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tendancy is nanny state authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is supported by Sonshi and Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That includes prostitution, btw.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again with your lies...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not lies, sonshi, you wax lyrical about the democrats, and that's what they stand for'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if we're talking prostitution wouldn't that be lays?'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you quite specifically attack libertarians for not supporting one of the main parties'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the critical questions to be answered is, if you remove the fetus, can it survive with the best care others can provide?'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I attack them for not caring enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when they not care enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'sonshi.. thats a moving target, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's balloney too, libertarians clearly care more than anyone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My view is that as long as the fetus is inside the woman, it's part of her body, and hence she can do what she wants with it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in other words, I attack only specific people...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, hormones keep the fetus as part of the woman's body, without the hormones the body would attack it as an invader.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the abortion debate, it's a debate that, if people weren't retarded, wouldn't even be an issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are perfectly sane libertarians in my department who don't think 911 was an FBI/CIA conspiracy, who don't think global warming is a communist conspiracy, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well global warming isn't a conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '911 isn't a conspiracy, it's admitted to be an inside job'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, most of the arguments pro life are based on sophisms, not on nature. You don't want a fetus aborted but you don't mind sending someone to the gallows. Rather hypocritical, if you ask me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'so it goes. most are not pro life, just anti abortion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, whatever people think about those two completely unrelated opinions, doesn't really have anything to do with the libertarian ideology as compared to the current fake left/right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not anti abortion, it's anti woman.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the argument there is that criminals are bad, fetuses have don't nothing wrong, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not inherently, ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A significant portion of the people that have been executed in the past have been innocent. What made them bad?'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the argument about abortion is an argument base on the right to life, you can't pick and choose.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a bit of a tough question to consider because at some point the survivabality of the fetus is such that if you abort, you know that a life that would have almost certainly been there would now not. On the other hand...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... there are a lot of actions which are certain to cause death, but pretty randomly, and you don't know beforehand who exactly will die, and even that is not acceptable....'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... it is certainly a tough question as to when it should or should not be acceptable to remove certain... possibilities.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could do a hell of a lot more with adoption services and contraceptives'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once a fetus has a nervous system, it gets in to pretty hairy territory...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'into'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if you are going to go down that road, you have to forbid contraception and (male) masturbation. Also, any woman that had menstruation would be a killer.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, one could argue that in that case, the chance of conception and carrying to term wasn't all that great anyway, and we can duck the issue easily that way...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer to be straight. I don't mind killing non-sentient life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'otherwise you'd have to compel everyone to screw each other for maximum success!'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'well, in the case of abortion you could argue the chance of carrying to term wasn't that great either =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you could solve a lot by forcing absent parents to pay $100 per child per week, and if they fail, they get shoved in work prison until the whole 18 yrs is paid off'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of this moralising comes from the fact that we don't like to face the realities of lost possibilities... each one of us pushed aside bajillions of could-have-beens when a certain sperm entered the egg...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'different people want to draw a line at different places...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much everyone that is pro life is brainwashed by religion. Everyone who is a free thinker is pro choice. With a few exceptions, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a matter of practically, allowing abortion up to a certain point might be best for the liberty of those already self-aware...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing that it is most obvious to me, is that the majority of pro-lifers won't take care of a fetus brought to term, if it isn't there. So they exhort the mother to have the baby, but they won't help her support it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but judgements based on that practically means that we can take away abortion "rights" if it is in our practical interest...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I think George Carlin said it well. "People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process. "'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point is, don't tell the woman what to do unless you are willing to back her play.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so "have the baby and watch him starve" doesn't work for me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not a popular view, but different countries might need to have different approaches to this based on their economic circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Governments assume too much, methinks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there should be an extremist group of democrats (like the tea party) that wants to have mandatory abortions to everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you know, to balance the shit out'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the pols making the laws won't give a damn about the woman living in an alley with her live baby.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certain countries coughlikeminecough might want to outlaw abortion and pay the women a sizable stipend to have them carry it to term if they insist on giving up the kid... and then remove the kid to foster care for further fees.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a heavy eugenics base in the extremist side of the democrat party'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries that have lower than desired fertility rates, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tend to hang around with the green movement'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they should be more vocal then'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you also see cross-party links because the corporate elite loves eugenics and the green movement because it's an excuse to take over everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'better yet, they should mind their own business.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is exactly what they do with agenda 21 and agenda 21-based local planning groups'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, vat-grown babies would solve that problem without imposing on women, but we have yet to develop the "vats"'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'eugenics can be beneficial. i would be happy to support retards and poor people with my taxes if they didn't breed'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beneficial to the planet, extremely fucking dangerous to anyone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That idea was popular in the 30s and 40s, dagnir.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country's leaders have allegedly flirted with eugenic-type ideas...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sweden had an eugenics programme'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'germany did too....'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know how that turned out'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden, we sterilized "retards" up until the 70s.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it was more of the "nice" kind, where they try to get smart people to have more kids, than poor people not have any.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i support eugenics. i'm not saying we should start castrating the poor and the retarded, but we should definitely discourage breeding with bonuses'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'eugenics is artificial, where the hell to humans got the idea that they can maintain the ecosystem better than it can do it itself? The ecosystem was just perfect until humans started meddling with it, and they won't heed the obvious lesson.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have anti-eugenics here at the moment thanks to the welfare state'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'currently our situation is desperate enough that anyone, no matter how dumb, gets large bonuses for breeding.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not that it's a bad thing, of course... can't be helped.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd rather pay them for not breeding'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, the government meddles... at the time humans became humans there was no government, and things got along just fine.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we need all the kids we can get. Kids raised in our culture, anyway, for reasons of national integrity'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad you agree that welfare causes population explosion'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure, take liberia for example'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no goverment there and the median age is 18 :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our welfare certainly isn't helping our (natural) population growth...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, population explosion is a natural process, as is the process which pares back the population afterward.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lets go back to hunting, gathering and breeding freely. nature will sort the shit out'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, the poorer sections of the population have more kids...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fucking government meddling with vaccines so most of us didn't die as kids. damn them!'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaking for the UK, poor people breed because it's a guaranteed source of income'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'giving them more money, reducing inequality, actually reduces their breeding rates'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'note also that breeding rates for the upper class are pretty low...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am glad that at the beginning, old peoples were poor,else none of us would have been here now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup. and it's cheaper to pay them MORE for not breeding'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's an old addage that goes: "So, you're 16, stupid, and female: What's your best option upon leaving school? Get pregnant, the government will give you a free apartment and money to live off"'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in countries where the population is falling like a rock, you want as many kids as you can get...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'those would be country where arm conflict is in full  swing :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think so, but those are the countries where people are dirt poor and breed like rabbits'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is axiomatic that right after a war is over the population will explode.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sitting in refugee camps with nothing else to do...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not breeding like rabbits, as you put it, is a self-imposed restriction. Nature does  encourage that type of breeding. It could easily be argued that it is the natural way.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'natural events don't need governmental approval, if humans would quit meddling, everything would right itself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nature also tends to control overbreeding by starvation...'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I feel sorry for the universe when humans master space exploration. They are going to waste planet after planet. Thankfully the universe will probably implode before humans get around to destroy it completely.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, Sonshi. So leave it alone.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't have everything, you don't want women to abort, but you are not willing to feed the offspring. You then bitch about subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, different policies depending on national circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as if nations were part of nature?'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'OHAI GUISE'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'debates dead? what a suprIse'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MeatHole starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'bandit should get merged with assassin'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Santher should be merged with said assassin's dagger.'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: '(I don't actually have an opinion, I'm just trying to build a conversation)'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well it makes sense to me, then you could flag a room pk and make use of stalk :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Voting for Ron Paul is badass'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is it legal in the U.S. to vote elections in a state where you're only a college student?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Google is being unhelpful, mostly because I don't really know how to phrase my query.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Age 18 = vote'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'when I was a college student in Wisconsin the only ID I needed was a student ID'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a function of citizenship, age, and residence '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'being a student at the local college demonstrates residence'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it is a public college, yes :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you do, of course, have to be a US citizen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'mine was not public'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'rules likely vary by jurisdiction as to what identification is required, but you are absolutely eligible to vote in a district based on residence as a student'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you must establish residence, simple going to another state's college doesn't work, you have to be there for certain amount of time. If not, the college will treat you as out-of-state student.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you /may/ have to specifically register'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not talking about ID requirements, but some jackass is arguing that college students shouldn't be allowed to vote in states for which they do not have valid driver's licenses or IDs because "Why SHOULD you be able to vote in a particular state when have evidence pointing to the fact that you are NOT a resident".'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can, of course, cast an absentee ballot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: imo it's pretty much bullshit that any us citizen can't just vote anywhere they fucking happen to be at the time'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm surprised there's not more furor over the Republicans' attempt to weasel they way to steal the election.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are in FLA and reside in CA, you can cast an absentee ballot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, imo, you should only be 'resident' and therefore able to vote in one state at a time'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In one state they're banning driver's licenses that were issued in other states. That's pretty much saying "We have college students because they vote predominantly Democrat and we want to win!".'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'voting "in a state" is an archaic bullshit idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't vote for local FL candidates or measures, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'for local elections fine, but for a national election it's stupid'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's not true, Fiendish.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'we already have unique identifiers for residents'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, for national elections i sure don't think you should be able to vote in two states'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a federal union'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so as long as they cross-check between states i have no issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't, Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you shouldn't be able to vote twice. where you vote is entirely irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't vote in two states. Fiendish isn't advocating that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's advocating being allowed to vote wherever you currently are in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I understand he's advocating that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just have your vote count as being from the state in which you're registered as residing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the voting process in this country is just significantly fucked'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'voting in the CA elections while in FL, is no different than voting in CA elections while in France.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats not checked via ssn?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's checked via DL'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Modi: that would be slightly more sane than the current situation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'DL or state ID is the basis for establishing residence.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd have no issue w/that'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you shouldnt have more than one vote per ssn, crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I do. The government is trying to sneak the SMART card by the citizenry.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the heck is the SMART-card, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are you from the US, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is a card with a chip that one would have to carry, it  would have to be presented at checkpoints'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: are you a citizen?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoever gets elected President of the U.S. and whichever party controls the houses affects me, though, because it kinda affects the entire world.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how many ssn's had fraudulent tax returns?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not trying to vote in the U.S. elections. I'm not from there, I do not have citizenship, I do not even have residence in the country.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, none. It is impossible to file  a tax return with an invalid SSN.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the IRS rejects the return.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just curious, by the way, Abelinc. You claim to be an Independent, right? Still unsure who you're voting for for POTUS?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True, though party ideologies here are a little different than elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'my sister in law had hers stolen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: being an independent does not mean you don't know who you are going to vote for'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'she still hasnt gotten her tax refund'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'voter registration requires you to choose either a party affiliation or "none"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc claims to be an independent ideologically.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I am an unaffiliated voter, but I know who I'm going to vote for.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, if you have a fake SSN, and you present it  for  work, you will have taxes withheld because there is no check at that time. You can't recover excess taxes, though, because the IRS won't process your return and it might send the FBI after you if you try.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'IIRC.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'out of curiosity, anyone knows how they prevent people from voting in two different states, like where you're going to college, and where you were previously residing in (with a driver's id or whatever)?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you feel comfortable disclosing who you're voting for, Fiendish?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'is it important to you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't get a ballot without a resident ID, Sonshi.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nah, just curious.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'id is easier to fake than ssn prob'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Yuna, voting is a secret process'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, I'm looking forward to the debates (both P and VP) with as much glee as last time. Last time it was because I knew Sarah Palin would be inept. This time I know Paul Ryan's going to lie through his teeth and Mitt Romney will refuse to go into specifics about anything.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's true, Modi. But still, it is  a check.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'every vote should have a snn attached ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I too am looking forward to the debates as a great spectacle that is unlikely to accomplish much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anaristos: And? I can happily reveal that I voted for Sweden's Green Party in our last eelction cycle.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you want to cheat, then there is really little that can be done at the time, though they might catch you later.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The debates are just a PR shit show of lying to the "citizens"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It will accomplish one thing: Get undedicated voters with a brain to make up their minds.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are entitled to reveal your preferences, Yuna. You are not entitled to know others' preferences :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The ones who don't follow political blogs or news aggregation sites, but rely on word of mouth, TV ads and debates.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The ones who have already made up their minds won't be swayed, it's about reaching those still undecided but too lazy to do much about it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what about political blogs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and i've never voted, so i wonder who's using my ssn'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why don't you find out, Modi?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said I was, Anaristos. I asked "Are you comfortable revealing who you intend to vote for?" in a very respectful manner, not in a "Tell me NOW!" manner.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'SSN presentations are routinely recorded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I will have to vote for Obama again, despite his disgusting record on civil rights.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean his record on the various Patriot Act-like laws, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'largely because the other guy is a lot worse...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem with the system is when neither candidate is qualified to lead'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, atrocious record :) I am sure Bush's was preferable. What we need is more Gitmos :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad there's no IRV'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The other guy would rescind a bunch of civil rights we enjoy today.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I mean things like the NDAA, indefinite detention without charges, etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have people selling pretty lies to the different voting blocs, then they do whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'mostly because I don't believe that Romney would do otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so it's not exactly a vote differentiator'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's quite simple this time imho. If you are a racist homophobe, vote Romney. If you are a free thinker, vote none of the above. Everyone else, vote Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Paul Ryan today: Obamacare's contraception mandate will be repealed DAY ONE if Mittens is elected.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'those were implemented by Bush, and he got re-elected, Fiendish.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just because someone else would do worse doesn't mean it isn't atrocious'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'can you vote to have no president, i would do that'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't forget misogyny, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the point is that Omaba was presented with a fait accompli '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'You can vote for all kinds of things. The reality is that if you don't vote for Obama or Romney, you are essentially voting for the other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when he took office, the Patriot Act was in full swing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You realize they were trying to push the Patriot Act since the 90s'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wouldn't hold my breath for the country to get turned around quickly, though. The races for both houses are still up in the air. The Democrats will likely retain control of the Senate, but whether they will with a Filibuster-proof majority is still up in the air.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not a party-based thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there is no way in hell that congress is going to rescind it any time soon.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Look forward for 4 more years of the Party of No's obstructionist antics.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Nobody is forcing Obama to push the NDAA'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Nobody forced him to immediately appeal the court decision that the NDAA is unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The whole party system is white noise to distract people from the reality of where they're being led'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if i'm forced to buy health insurance though, i'll be screwed, they already jacked my rent up'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, you think Rumney is going to revoke NDAA?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Red or blue, they're pushing in the same direction'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos: of course not. I've already said this'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop rewriting what Fiendish says in your head, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so that issue as  a voting point is moot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he already said he was voting for obama in spite of that, because he didn't think the other guys were going to do any better'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos: you should perhaps debate -h and see what I said already'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Understatement of the year, Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'consider two (extreme) models of voting behaviour in a two party system. 1. People vote rationally for the one closest to their views, and can judge both platforms for distance (haha, rationally). Result - centrism. 2. People only vote for a candidate if they are within a certain distace of their platform. Result - highest concentration wins, usually extremism.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'fiendish is rich, he can buy my health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If Romney gets voted president, I think  I need to update my emergency supplies, and then hide in a corner and wait for WWIII.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know what you said. My point is that if neither candidate, in fact, any candidate will not make an impact on the issue, then it isn't a point of decision as to whom to vote for.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You should do so regardless, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah seriously think we gays would still be fucked out of just about everything w/o the dems'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's not going to start WWIII. He's only going to attack Iran.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and I also think we would still have a capital gains tax that was preventing the rise of real nobility w/o republican interaction'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Modi: I think the country is better off if everyone has health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He never said that it was, Anaristos!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That could cause WWIII.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there are real results to these events'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was being sarcastic, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, but it's something that would be a point of decision if there were an alternative (for fiendish) which is what he was saying.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I know :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is there ANY issue on which any of you think Romney is superior to Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea i'll be a homeless insured man'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are reading off the same script, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and if your mind is so fatigued you cannot appreciate that these are important issues that have been largely affected, then let cynicism and apathy rule'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is going to attack  Iran no matter who sits in the Oval Office. It is a set piece of foreign policy, and foreign policy is pre-established, presidents merely implement them as required.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just want to hear "the other side" argue why Romney's better than Obama. Because Romney's refusing to actually give me any concrete information.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: well he did invent Obamacare before Obama did'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's been over 200 years of peace in Sweden, so I'm hoping it can stay that way for another 30 years.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Obamacare is what we've had in Massachusetts already for a few years'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and people here love it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We had to pay for our 200 years of peace by being the lapdogs of the Nazis, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the idea of national health dates back to the Clinton era.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's not talk about it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'True, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'm all for it, if i'm still able to pay my rent'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it cost us Finland, as well.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's funny how Mitt Romney's own home state is poised to vote overwhelmingly for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There is one issue on which Romney is superior to Obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Romney isn't Obama :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess that's why Mittens NEVER EVER uses his time in office as governor in his stump speeches.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, Finland was finlandized :) '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they HATE him over there.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its funny how he got elected there, maybe the aura of his hair spray confused massachusetts liberals'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if starling likes romney, he's def going to lose'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think "Not being Obama" is better than "Being Romney", Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Romney is white :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: Romney's policies in Massachusetts have been very liberal. As far as his governance goes, he made a pretty good democrat'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or did you mean that Romney is better at not being Obama than Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'she said one issue, not that she likes him'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what is that one issue, Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know, Fiendish. But they hate him now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I already said it, Milkshake.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because he's turned his back on all of his principles and become a religious zealot teabagger (pretty much).'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm not going to elaborate, piss off.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: nobody "hates" him. He's just saying exactly the opposite of all the things he did in this state that everyone likes. so we have no reason to like his new ideas'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wow, amazing: you were lied to'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Appeal to people to get their vote and achieve power, then follow the script sent to you by the CFR'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '= POTUS'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dunno. If I were a resident of Massachussets, I would hate him. I don't mean "I hope he dies" hate him. I would hate everything he stands for now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's kind of ironic that the religious right prefers him to obama, given how his religion believes in a finite "god" which everyone can aspire to become, or something like that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's why he's never made religion a major issue in this election cycle. Because he knows the zealots will turn on him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I am one and I think he's done a fine job as mass governor, and I hope that he either goes back to doing what he was doing before when he loses the presidential election or gets replaced by someone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never said a bad thing about his term as governor.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, have you guys seen his 2011 tax return?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Talk about calculating.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not far from the truth, DosseT. I am not sure the CFR is the creator of US foreign policy, but it is certainly involved somehow. The point is that presidents are basically helpless unless the currently establish foreign policy has run its course. For instance, when Reagan took office, the extant foreign policy had evolved to handle Viet Nam, the being resolved, he was free to create a new policy, a policy we are still following.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hes had plenty of time to fix it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why did he even release it, shit, I think he was better off with rampant speculation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not that. It's that he said that he's never paid below 12% of taxes or something.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For 2011, he paid 14% in taxes. But the only reason he paid that much was because he decided NOT to deduct as much as he could for his charitable donations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Vietnam? They faked the Gulf of Tonkin to get their paws over there'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wasn't his idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that happens sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like thats better? i pay that in social security alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's funny is that he has every right to demand to be allowed to make those deductions should he lose (or even win) in November.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, that was amusing... he said previously that he wouldn't be qualified to be president if he paid a cent more tax than he was legally obliged to, then doesn't claim deductions so that his tax rate looks higher, letting him claim that his tax rate has been at least 13% for x years.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I do as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '14% is insanely low, isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'slightly bothers me that with a middle class salary I pay more than double his tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, he routinely contradicts himself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Iraq & Afghanistan evolvements are a direct result of the current policy. The Heritage Foundation wrote a white paper on the course the US should take in the ME. That became policy right after Reagan left office and the first Bush took office. Clinton, the little Bush and Obama have been following the same policy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, how many here are NOT in the 47% he so clearly looks down on?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I am not in that 47%'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I pay income and payroll tax :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The past week has been a boon for us who hate Mittens (or rather everything he stands for).'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'put me at 47.2% :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I forget, who is the 47%?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He includes people who get government assistance in those 47%.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'anybody who does not pay income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm definitely in the top 10% of income'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'despite being a student, I have to admit to paying federal income tax, somehow or the other. With my stipend, it doesn't make much sense... but I'm not american anyway, so it doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but people who pay payroll tax (not income) are in the 47%'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so, if you make like 25k and have a kid, you're in the 47%'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I know most undergrads are in that 46% though'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not 1% though :\'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think he meant to say that people who don't pay income tax AND receive government assistance are in the 47%, that BOTH types of people are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you make 25k you have no business having kids'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'These elections "issues" are a joke when you have things like LIBOR going on'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'look at the bigger picture'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, it is not clear what is the set of people that can belong to the 47%. Children certainly don't pay taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i cant believe its only 47%, he must mean 87%'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you make like 22k w/o kids or somethign to that affect, no income tax, the elderly no income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'college students are in it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the poor?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone who isn't white and rich falls in those X% that he hates, it seems.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'College students, the poor, the elderly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'judging from the context, the 47% he mentioned could have been 1. Obama voters 2. People on govt assistance 3. People who pay no federal income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I made no income last year, but that was by choice and I continued to pay for my own health insurance despite having state free health insurance available'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's news to me, Milkshake. Some one should have told me the last time I filed for 22K :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He hates them because they'll never vote for him and will vote for Obama no matter what... because they're poor/young/old and rely on the government and he hates that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all three groups don't exactly correlate well'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... he hates his own father and his father would never hate voted for him in the 2012 elections! It's a riot!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I paid over 4K in taxes, not counting SSN and the other crap they take out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no, there was a credible case that the figure he was talking about came from a recent survey showing that 47% of americans don't pay income tax (but payroll tax maybe, which jesu christo is a mofo income tax isn't it??)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, I think he meant ALL THREE. Not necessarily people who fall into all three categories, just all 3 categories.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, most peope think it refers to the federal tax thing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its so disingenuous to say these individuals don't pay an income tax when they pay payroll, and moreover, at often higher percentages of gross than Romney :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '47% of people are retired or underage'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Validate that number'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of which a large portion are retirees and students...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, 50 % of the world population IS under 25 :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'man, that's why I feel old'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what's funny (I'm going to elaborate on my earlier point)? George Romney, Mitt Romney's dad, came to the country destitute and relied on government assistance for 3 years. He paid no income tax during that time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So Mittens hates his own father his own father would never vote for him. Seems legit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Romney built his father's success'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and therefore his resulting success, he used a time machine which he built out of blood sweat and tears individually reinventing calculus, group theory, astrophysics, relativity, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The beliefs people espouse aren't necessarily their own - they're ones that will appeal to the target demographic they need'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'all in his own language, which he taught himself to readn and write'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's essentially targeted marketing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, and Romney's mother spoke in that interview about how George Romney "didn't build" everything on his own, how the U.S. helped him achieve his dream. Good times.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know why Romney reminds me of McCain :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, no, you're confusing two sleazebags.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One is a liar, the other an open sleazebag.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would have liked to see Clinton run.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't, I think Romney, if tortured, would probably cry like a little girl and spill his guts'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'McCain was pretty open about how much he loathed so many people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and then profess that he really is in complete political agreement with his captors'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney is refusing to go into specifics because he thinks people are stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know if it's some fluke, but gallup's tracking has had romney drawing level with obama. Given the whole 46% thing... I wonder if the voting public is just stupid or something. Of course, if politicians didn't think they were stupid, they might try harder not to lie...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I actually like Romney as a person, from what I've seen of him, even though I wouldn't vote for him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'McCain...no.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '47%, I mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't Gallup terribly right-wing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you have seen something I haven't, Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver predicts Obama winning. That's all I need to know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'romney is unfortunately creepy as shit in real life'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Leinei, how can you know any of that was his genuine self? He lies so effortlessly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gallup's polling seems largely within standard methodology, as far as I can tell...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but flukes happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So has Obama - don't hoodwink yourself with bias'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver was spot on on pretty much every prediction for the 2008 races. He predicts Obama getting 309.5 delegates, Romney 228.5, the rest is up in the air.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone who wants to be president is fucked in the head'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my girlfriend dated a member of his church for a while'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Whether or not I like someone doesn't necessarily correlate with whether or not I believe what he says.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't know Obama and I don't know Romney. I do know that they are politicians, which means that if they tell me that it is raining, I am going to go outside and take a look.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if obama is as bad as romney, he sure has been doing a much better job at hiding it!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hiding? There's no hiding'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's out in the open, and denied away'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Obama ordered the DOJ not to defend DOMA, pushed through the repeal of DADT, and told the world for the first time that the AMerican President is in favor of faggots like me marrying...he could lie all he wants and I would still think him a more straightforward person for taking risks like that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'between someone you know hates your guts, and someone who seems like he may give a crap if he feels up to it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT, just accept that we're bleeding heart liberals who are willfully ignorant who'll never accept the Truthiness of your words.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lord Demon Pitkis: 'their all full of shit puppets'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Milkshake, you're gay?! I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked and apalled!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is he better because he pushed for things that appeal to your bloc?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Milkshake: just don't get murdered by a drone'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, let's not concentrate on the personal, let's concentrate on his party affiliations. We know what he will do because Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 did it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'bend over, if you like being shocked! '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, since republican policy doesn't change over the years'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he's better because we don't yet know that he hates poor people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'republican means pretty much the exact opposite of what it did a hundred years ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The only thing surprising is that you don't feel a level of betrayal'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no, he is mroe straightforward for doing something politically risky which he would have been wiser not to do if he wanted to increase his chances at getting reelected'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still love it how nobody remembers the 32 Republicans Senators (I think... possibly House reps) who vote NO on a bill that allowed female state employees stationed overseas to report rapes committed upon them (because apparently that wasn't legal 'til the bill passed).'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'he did the right thing...when it was hard '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lord Demon Pitkis: 'ZEITGEIST RULES'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we know that his cronies will benefit publicly and hugely from his being in office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats should be running ads featuring their "Nays" all day to get them voted out of office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and retirees, and students, and other unproductive scumbags who aren't out there making stuff for their rightful Lords...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we know that only the middle class will pay taxes, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Michelle Bachmann is slipping. Her Senate race is currently a dead heat. Her Democrat challenger stands a good chance of nabbing her Senate seat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, as a student now, I get a whole lot less money than I did 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'are they running some form of this ad "Romney has made millions in income and paid only 14% in taxes...how much did you pay?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. But they really should.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'they took away my pell grant and gave it to undergraduates'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'students are traditionally the first to lose funding, Leinei.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how Romney talks about how he's never paid less than 14% in taxes as if it were some kind of badge of honor.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the "he hates retirees, students, and other people who don't pay federal income taxes" might be a better ad...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did the Party of No vote to abolish Pell Grants altogeher?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Didn't"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Yuna: I knwo that they cut it in half while I Was ins chool'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we only have his and his accountants' words that he didn't pay lower than 13%...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'undergraduate funding has went up over the past 4 (and probably 8/12) years, AFAIK.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'my sister wasted her pell grant on drugs i think'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no, it went up in the last four, but down before that'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, never ever in the history of campaigns has a candidate and his accountant lied about documents they refuse to release'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lord Demon Pitkis: 'To be a 1 percenter or not to be a 1 percenter its all up to the 1 percenters'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'per student :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ann Romney on why they're not releasing more than 2 years worth of tax returns: They don't want to give the enemy "more ammunition". So there's ammunition in those tax returns.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I like the point of speculation that Romney is a tax dodger who took the government sanctuary deal for all tax dodgers a few years back.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How can you argue these points so vehemently, and yet deflect Obama's hiding his'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's hiding his tax returns?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama did release his returns...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Birth certificates, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'General obfuscation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes... he hid his birth certificate. Totally...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's obviously a secret Kenyan Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why the whole incident, then'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, imagine that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a bit like blasting someone because he didn't criticise churchill massacre of gypsies...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so what if he is?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Obama does look a little bit like Tuvok...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'that's a good point except for the point that he hasn't hidden his forums at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'churchill's'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, according to the US constitution...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he could be a Jahova's witness for all that it matters.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, I strenuously deny the murder of ETs from sirius'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ET is a Hollywood thing, the real acronym is XT :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The reality is that at this point, none of the incumbents are qualified, and they'll all appropriately and and expediently hide their so-called skeletons'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"acronym: def: noun: A word formed from the initial letters of other words"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop trying to act like you're bi-partisan, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so XMIT is wrong then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We all know what you really meant was "None of the Democrat incumbents are qualified".'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'xmit is not an acronym'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'how are all incumbants not qualified? that's entirely baseless'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at what people do, not what they say'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, wait? When has there been a qualified incumbent?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not a neo-con Yuna, much as you'd like to rationalize my position as such'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's all I need to know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a neo-lib then :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'doing things some people don't want doesn't make them not qualified'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did he mean Bircher?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And despite trying to sound bi-partisan or non-affiliated sometimes, you're suspiciously careful to ONLY attack the Democrats specifically'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama is POTUS'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dubya was a CFR-controlled idiot who did the 9/11 false flag'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, wow. You can grasp basic concepts, such as who the POTUS is!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Herbert Walker the same idea'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I'll attack the democrats specifically :) Also the republicans and the independents. They are all playing the same game.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Want a cookie?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'it's hardly all the same game'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How has it not been?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't bother Lokathor. Anaristos is a matter if distort the facts, like what people are saying on Debate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'there's a lot that's the same, but there's also a lot that's very different'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If we say one thing, he'll rewrite it as something else and attack us.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are the different things on a significant level, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yes! anyone loyal to a party, and not a country, is our enemy'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it when people pretend like they're not right- or left-wing and pretend like they're in the middle with ill-disguised contempt for the other side. Just be open about it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US voters make fun of other countries with 10 - 15 parties. Granted, it is more difficult to maintain a government, but that in itself is good, it keeps incipient ossification from taking place :) '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm left-wing. Come at me!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'From what I've seen, the U.S. has done a good job "exporting" capitalism/democracy in Iraq/Syria/Libya etc., regardless of who's in the hotseat'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but...but...liberal is a dirty word!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not loyal to parties, I'm loyal to what the parties stand for and try to pass into law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'anyone loyal to a country instead of humanity is our enemy. nationalism is just as bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'BUT MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOUR TEAM'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When Mittens was still running in the primaries, I actually said that he was the most qualified out of the Republicans candidates on several occasions, at least one on this very channel.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yes lokathor even better'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He seemed pretty decent and I liked that his run as Governor was pretty middle-of-the-road. But then he became a Neocon.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Always was'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's like saying you like UCLA over USC, Yuna. Regardless of the competency of the players.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Mitt Romney of today is either a NeoCon or a liar. Pick one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or maybe both.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is a politician, how many other labels does he need?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I couldn't care less about sports. What's your point?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'assuming "like" means "would favor they win", then it's nothing like it, since one winner or another in a basketball game has no idealolical outcome'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's what it is, Yuna, a sport'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yankees vs. Red Sox'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that the you are loyal to the team, not to their abilities.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you will choose the time you like, not the best team.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anaristos, geographical loyalty makes sense in sports.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who is president and which party rules the country is not the same thing as petty sports team allegiances.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is when you have a can-do-no-wrong view of your own affiliation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which you so clearly have, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the same process by which people choose sports teams, they use to choose political parties.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'when the outcome has nothing important behind it, it doesn't matter who's better than the other if you're picking who you like'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Clearly'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but  voting is not about liking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'People like the cubs because they suck.  People don't like sucky presidents.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd rather not have homosexuality outlawed if I were to ever visit the U.S. again.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which reminds me, why are the Republicans still poised to retain their rule over Texas?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their 2012 party platform is against CRITICAL THINKING in school!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'because everything is big in texas, even stupid'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're falling into the trap of voting for that which benefits you - which is what most people do'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Texas is a cowboy state, cowboys back republicans, simple.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The trap is that it's very easy to be led by your nosering when you follow the lies'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not anymore, it isn't, I think, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'pay attention to the program :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Think they got rid of that part of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'if everyone votes for who benefits them, then the people who benefit the most people get voted for. that works a large portion of the time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lokathor: they lie'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They tell each voting bloc that which they want to hear'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get put into power, then do something completely different'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver predicts that Texas will stay "Safe[ly] Republican".'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is divided into 2 camps, yankees and cowboys, the Eastern Establishment represents the yankees, while the southern and western states form the cowboys.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'you don't look at what they say, you look at the results'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yes, the Republicans will likely retain power in Texas, free to war their war on women, gays and those pesky critical thinkers in school.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Yankees are democrats, while  cowboys are republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My state (a southern state) voted democrat last election'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so no'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't, Leinei. They got rid of some of their harsher anti-gay rhetoric. Pretty sure their platform is still against critical thinking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nods, Yuna, I wasn't sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think they might have, and then added it back, or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the last true yankee president was JFK, there has been nothing but cowboys since then. Though the Bush family is of yankee descent they run their politics out of the cowboy camp.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not that it matters. A party that includes "Critical thinking" on what to get rid of is not fit to rule anything.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama has his feet sort of in both camps.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Critical thinking has been dispatched by both parties'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't take all the negatives and shove it onto your opponents'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See the forest for the trees'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'er, george the 1st was born in massachusets'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I don't find anyone qualified  to rule me...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama has been getting dragged towards the right because of his foolish insistence on compromise where there is none to be had'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the chamberlain of our time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama had no choice. The Filibuster mandate is ridiculou7s.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dragged? You mean showed his true colors'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He could either cave in or have his 4 years yield ZERO accomplishments.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You view it as caving, as that is how it's portrayed'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a miracle he managed to pass what little legislation he managed to pass, mostly thanks to "traitorous" Republicans with SOME decency left in them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's all a show to keep the people pitted against each other'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like how chamberlain didn't actually want the anschluss to happen...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I seriously didn't think I'd see DADT repealed during Obama's first term.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you think that party politics is the best? If all elected officials were "independent" there would not be any filibusters.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it was?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'dadt?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'no fillibusters? ha!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We had the 1 year anniversary of DADT's repeal last week.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why shouldn't each member of congress vote  independently?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oh i was thinking of the repeals repeal sorry'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Does your liberalism stem mostly from homosexuality?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They can.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'serious question'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it stems from being a decent human being.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then if they can, why are they traitors?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'mine doesn't, mine comes from wanting to improve the world'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if there were a moderate with the same views, would you back them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was being SARCASTIC.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know, with the sarcastic quote marks and all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the word the Republicans used to describe them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you are not the only one who thinks that way, Yuna. That is a common belief in the states.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I NEVER SAID I WAS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'republicans should vote republicans and democrats should vote democrats, regardless.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop distorting every little thing anyone says!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Wasn't the senate majority democrat when DADT was repealed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'moderate with the same views? it's your views that make you liberal or moderate'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, my point is that what you said is being said by others.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i prefer to be in the middle, left and right are too extreme'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'the very idea is a contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said it wasn't!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I prefer that they all would go away and leave me alone, I don't need a kingdom or a king.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm a Swede. Our right-wing looks like Communists to the Teabaggers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, teabagging is a right-wing sport :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm on the left side of Swedish politics. And gay. And not even ethnically Swedish or born in Sweden. I'm like the Anti-Crist to them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But you can't fall into the trap of backing someone simply because they're selling you something to which you can relate'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats hardcore'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Shut up, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'left of sweden? damn girl'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'that's pretty left'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats have actually kept what they promised "me" in the last election cycle, despite the Republicans' attempts to stop them at every turn.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You speak of Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is not Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'na sweden will be around much longer'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, my block is in the opposition in Sweden, so it really can't do much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But it's kept what promises it could keep, still.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, my country is both far more capitalist, and far more socialist than the US.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'largely due to strong economic institutions'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so in some sense we are further to the right and further to the left of american politics'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My country is so liberal in all sense both party blocks supported same-sex marriage, with only the Christian Democrats (surprise, surprise) opposed, with only 4.2% of the voting power.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US is corporatist, plain and simple - it is not democracy when the only choice is between corporate lapdog A, or corporate lapdog B.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They (the Christian Democrats) were so against same-sex marriages being performed in churches they proposed we repeal religious marriage and make marraige strictly civil affair, with the religious ceremony not being binding in law. The Christians suggested that!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They were voted down and eventually the Church of Sweden went on to pass an edict that allowed for same-sex marriages to be performed by churches and priests who wished to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yeah. Come visit us heathens, Teabagging NeoCons. I dare you. Your heads will explode.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country, on the other hand, is so far towards free markets that our socialist party doesn't support a minimum wage at this time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'shrugs, my state just passed a constitutional amendment stating that the only recognized union is marriage between a man and a woman (taking rights away from many more people than just same-sex couples)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whre the heck do you live, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'all christian means is you believe there was some guy named jesus that said some smart shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'North Carolina, Leinei?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'Praise Bob. Hail Discordia. May you be touched by His Noodly Apendage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought Singapore was communist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, that's where I live when I'm not studying. Which has been the better part of the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just joined the other 15 states or whatever in the southeast'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, our ruling party was a communist front party'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet they're for free markets?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then they kicked out the communists'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and eventually got kicked out of socialist international'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so nuclear annihilation is the only thing preventing ww3 right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i didnt study war, so i'm not sure who is on which side'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they privatised everything that should be privatised, etc. Reduced tariffs to 0...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no minimum wage, no real unions'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'strikes are banned, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has been fun. Usually, whenever politics are brought up, the Triumvirate of Teabagging Conscpiracy Nuts (who shall rename nameless to all who do not ask me through tells) shout down all opposition. Today, I've been able to enjoy the company of non-wingnuts. It's an Autumn Miracle.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on the other hand, we're also very socialist, because many things that should not be privatised are not privatised...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's easy to relegate the opposition to neocon wingnuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i just wish it would start and then get over , so i could live or die and not have to think about it anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt has businesses competing directly with private interests in many areas... most people live in public housing, there's good public transport, there are no slums, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's pretty easy when they make it obvious that they are neocon wingnuts, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's an easy escape to avoid self-reflection'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and yet, somehow or the other, despite all that, the US still looks nuttily right wing to us...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're a Birther. You hold no credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is "birther" associated with neocon? If something's suspect, it's suspect'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't conflate the two'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never called you a NeoCon.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've always only called you a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dubya and Herby are just as suspect - they're simply not in the limelight'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who's Herby?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'George Herbert Walker Bush'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does the place someone is born have to with how well equipped they are to run a nation?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'have to do*'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'privilege '
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better education?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just means they don't meet the requirements is all'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'doesn't matter, Vakieh, if it's in the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But he was educated in the US, that was not disputed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'privilege has ruled the world from day 1.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you're 34, you also can't be president.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just the constitutional requirements'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, being president doesn't mean you are a ruler, the real rulers don't bother :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has been immensely rewarding. But now I must be off, at least for a short while. I'v got some reading to catch up to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Later'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'fun trying to reason with/ignore the mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am used to being ignored:>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what is a birther?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'someone whos not anti-life?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There was an issue with Obama presenting his birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'those who want to make sure the US president is a natural born citizen :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is suspect because it would not normally become an issue if something were not amiss'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some people feel Obama wasn't born in the US.  Even after he released his birth certificate, they still believe he was born in Kenyaslam.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the issue with Obama is deeper than that, they won't attack his race, so they attack everything else.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why did it take so long to produce it, then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If something weren't suspect'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those who insist that obama's birth certificate is fake, insufficient, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oh i thought it was an abortion thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would have a hard time producing a birth certificate if I were required to do so :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why does that matter in reality?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea who gives a fuck about that birth certificate now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Rumney is pissed becuase his father's bid for the presidency was foiled by the fact that he was born in Mexico :)('
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because it's a constitutional requirement that you were born in the US, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(for president, that is)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I know, but why does it matter?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for most elected offices.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why doesn't it matter?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No, Anaristos.  That's about the only one'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a rule, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Plenty of governors not born in the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If rules are stupid, they should be changed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vice President...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or else arnold would be pres'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why we live in a police state'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but I take your point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They can be, Ranrr.  With a 2/3rd (or maybe 75%, don't recall) vote'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'think 75%'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But Ranrr, to the yanks the Constitution is like the Bible, only with MOAR AWESOME.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont remember being born'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even if most of them haven't read it, and even more don't understand it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'would if be treason if he were found to be born elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think the US Constitution is a document worth of respect,  what I regret is that it has not been implemented.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ignorance of the Constitution is why the citizens have no rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or rather, that its implementation has been removed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ypRW5qoraTw#!  Sarah Silverman on the new Voter ID photo laws'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i wish it were respected every time a cop tells a lie in court'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's my point, Modi.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Constitution was made to safeguard the people from the government'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Subvert it, and you undermine your own freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if obama was able to fabricate a birth certificate and get away with it, god help us all'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we truly are fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher tells Modi the academy is a waste of time, then asks "Wut is xp? Can I play dis on vista too?!?!"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'rrr'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods at Modi.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the attack is collateral, Modi. They would have loved to attack his race, but that would show the world exactly what they think, so rather, they attack other weird stuff. How many other presidents' birth certificates have come into question? How does it happen that it has only happened to the only non-white president?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole constitution thing still feels a bit foreign to me, since my country's constitution can be changed any time our ruling party (which has a clear supermajority) feels like it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sonshi, if it can be changed by party vote, it is not a constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'being physically small, though, it's easier for us to keep the govt in line...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your country is basically ruled by Common Law, Sonshi. A different framework.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For a document to be considered a constitution, it must require a majority vote of all suffrage-wielding citizens.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. was set up by terrorists from Britain'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US is also common law, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US constitution was an attempt to codify the country's framework. But the USSC has managed to mangle it to fit political factions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They understood how power is usurped and corrupted, and set a framework to keep that in check'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they didn't understand the evolution of the USSC, though. That was the mistake of the framers of the constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The big difference here, Sonshi, is that we're "united states", and as such, the amount of power each state has.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, if the constitution gets amended, 75% of all states have to agree with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the states obviate the fact that the US is a republic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, bigger country, more decentralised, harder to agree on anything because it was set up that way'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was also premised upon an escape from tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that has always been an empty promise, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DosseT, the US wanted to escape Britain's tyranny, so they could inflict their own'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'eg, Puritanism'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's always true, Vakieh. Read Camus "The Rebel".'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'essentially he says that the oppressed will rebel against the oppressor and then replace him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we didn't escape british tyranny so w could inflict our own!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Marx wrote it first.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Marx didn't do an existential analysis of it, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not always true though, except in the long run'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'name a revolution where the oppressed didn't rise to oppress.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you can say a lot of things about the long run. Like "every country is going to be destroyed anyway, so why bother"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anaristos: the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mine... well, it wasn't really a revolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what status quo?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wage slaves churning the mill, unaware of their circumstance = the sleeping revolution'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was a lot of oppression initially, but it faded slowly with time, after they dealt with those they wanted to deal with (the communists)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'when you have things like LIBOR that is empirical evidence to the deck's stacking, you can't cry "conspiracy theory!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DosseT, the US will never have another revolution while people can still get TV.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you haven't eaten any? Are you a masochist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a conspiracy is supposed to be a secret, or at least denied...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No secret anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly; the advent of TV is self-quelling'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the way LIBOR was determined was never a secret'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that they collude and lie?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No surprise this is getting no airtime in the U.s.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you could see from the way it was determined that they could lie about it... but it's no more a conspiracy than someone stealing bread of a truck in desperation is a conspiracy...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in most countries, what the government does is suppressed. The US, with its single-minded need for being seen as the good guy, doesn't suppress the truth, it just labels it as a conspiracy theory :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, and allows the people to do the enforcing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Don't listen to that - it's conspiracy"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stealing bread from a truck in desperation is not the same as fat cats stealing from everyone else in greed'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people do bad things. Sometimes they get caught. Rarely a conspiracy is involved, unless you count the systematic dismantling of institutions...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US ethos is unique, people don't want to think for themselves, being called a thinker in the US is an insult. This allows the powers that be to manipulate the populace. The only difference between the Greeks of Homer and the US population now is that the former allowed the "gods" to think for them while the latter allows the government to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they faked libor in desperation, they got caught because faking these things is too obvious when there's too much of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a glimpse behind the curtain - what was relegated to wild conspiracy has proven itself true'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No desperation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And this is occurring at the highest level'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't see the desperation because you aren't looking'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'These people aren't in desperate straits - they're bottom-dwellers occupying the highest office'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they were pretty much pissing their pant, metaphorically...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pants'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They saw an opportunity to profit off the people, and did so'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"desperate staits" is relative...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a classic example of how the US government operates is the events of 9/11. They accused all that disagreed with the commission as conspiracy theorists, forgetting obviously, that what they put forward to explain the events was, in itself, a conspiracy theory.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'relative to your greed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't know how familiar you are with U.S. corporate culture'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a zimbabwean may mock an american for being desperate not to lose their $50000 house "how greedy!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But Wall Street gambles away 401k/IRAs, then gives itself million dollar bailouts, changes companies, and repeats itself'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not the libor thing though'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Barclay's?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I loved the name of that country, why did they change it? Zimbabwe Rhodesia. Awesome name :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and most of the terrible things large banks do is well known, and no conspiracy. It doesn't change because the people think banning abortion or stuff like that is more important.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It doesn't change, because people don't know about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure they know about it, haven't you been watching the protests?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, no conspiracy. You come to the US and start telling people what the banks do. See if you are not labeled as conspiracy theory buff.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, I respect your perspective, but you must understand how things work literally in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. citizens pose the biggest threat to the government due to proximity - that is why they are fed the worst lies'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they shouldn't bother. The US is the Prozac Nation :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People care more for what's on The Kardashians are 50 Shades of Gray than what it is that's really happening'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, maybe not the people in the deep south, but the more educated people in urban areas tend to be more aware of these things'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it's not a conspiracy if millions know about it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No - people with more disposable income indulge in more hedonistic pursuits'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're worse'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's a conspiracy just because lots of people are uneducated, relativity must be a conspiracy too... a conspiracy of nature'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're busy seeking status, cash, cars, hos, and whatever easy dopamine release they can find'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who do you think will label you a conspiracy buff? The illiterate? Not a chance, the people that will attack you will have PhDs coming out of their asses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, the one's calling, say, krugman a conspiracy theorist are mostly random commentors, for example...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no well educated person could call these advocates a conspiracy theorist and escape ridicule...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"conspiracy" is the latest meme for "something I don't want to believe"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe not in your country. Here they would get an interview in the Today show :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's easy to label something "conspiracy" if it doesn't jive with your world-view than delve deeper'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Larry King (or his successful) would certainly interview him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'show me one phd who calls... for example krugman, a conspiracy theorist?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US population is educated not to dig deep, only nerds dig deep, and being a nerd is something to be avoided.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't even know who Krugman is'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the point is that the uneducated (or the "lesser educated" if you're being pc) are mostly the ones flinging accusations of being conspiracy theorists at people who actually have a point'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps theoretically, but now the word is synonymous with "opposes my world view"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while accusations of being a conspiracy theorist by someone well educated tend to be more accurate...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Do you believe 9/11 to be a false flag?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I got the gist of Krogman. He's a establishment person, he won't be labeled a conspiracy theorist. He will be the justification for the government moves :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are many educated people who do, and they are dismissed as such'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, that's one right there...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Know who Jesse Ventura is?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'DosseT, the answer is simple. When a crime is committed, follow the money. Answer the question "Cui bono"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm already out of the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when someone makes a charge with evidence far less in accord with the evidence than the commonly accepted version, that's a valid charge of being a conspiracy theory.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'want to change that? Bring some evidence'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what "evidence"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, google "Asch Effect"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In effect, it's that people do what everyone else does'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because noone wants to stick out'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how things work - even when you have irrefutable evidence, if people don't want to accept it, they will'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, evidence, like the single-bullet theory in the JFK assassination. I get it :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, we had that for the oil drop experiment, but it eventually settled at the right value'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that sort of thing corrects itself under examination'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Warren Commission produced all kinds of evidence to support the most ridiculous theory since the one claiming that the Sun revolved around the Earth.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there are people, educated people, that to this day, still defend that theory.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for matters of historical record, when the right theory cannot be determined... well, it's a controversy, but you won't get accusations of being a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe where you live.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You will here'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People have literally been drugged and dumbed down to accept that which the media feeds them'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Direct occipital lobe predictive programming'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People accept and defend this arbitrarily'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stuff like 911 though, for example... there's overwhelmingly in favour of an outside attack'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That may be the world's perspective'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'every political assassination in the US has been carried  out by lone nuts. The exception being the Lincoln assassination, and even then, they rejected the obvious connections.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'trying to claim otherwise without any sort of believable evidence will get you rightly called a quack of some kind'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'each single instance of political violence has been separated from any kind of movement.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In short, Americans' brains have been fried'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but as I said before, a simple analysis, cui bono, who profits? yields obvious results.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lone assassinations tend to be more successful, not surprising that most are lone'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but all? There have been plenty of successful plots all over the world where more than one was involved...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am referring to the US. What happens elsewhere doesn't matter as long as the US involvement doesn't come to light :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, is the US that different from the rest of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'plenty in the US.  There was one in georgia a few years ago where the sheriff ordered his deputy to murder the new sheriff that had just gotten elected.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is the bad guy - as such, it lies to its immediate threat: its citizens'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wow, that's pretty bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The People's Temple murdered a CA congressman back in the 70s'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sore loser...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. government needs its citizens to churn its mill, though, which is why it keeps them around'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the Jonestown massacre'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They poison us, strap us with debt, lie to us, and barely keep us alive to run their corporation posing as a country'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They toss us celebrities to whom to admire that really tell us what to do, what to buy, and how to act'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What's obvious to the rest of the world is suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... maybe you can ask the half of the population that consistently let the GOP go crazy over time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but Leinei, here is the "conspiracy theory", the claim that Jim Jones was connected to US intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you keep voting a party that prefers the privilege of the rich to your middle-class interests, is it any great surprise that they'll get worse, and that the other party will figure out that there's no harm in following them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the problem is not that simple'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Wasn't talking about Jonestown.  Was talking about when they stormed the plane and killed the congressman'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's when both parties are the same evil'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Sonshi, Sonshi, what party doesn't prefer the privilege of the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't... pretending they are is what leads you there'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They meet annually at things like Bohemian Grove, the CFR, and The Committee of 300'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Regardless of affiliation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are all of one party, masquerading as two to deceive the public into thinking they have choice'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They own all the corporations as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and, with Barclays/LIBOR, it is self-evident they control all financial institutions at the global level'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the very least, one of them claims to be more for the middle... swinging to them will be a clear indication of the public will'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They sell pretty lies'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama spent more on the war than Dubya'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Didn't empty Guantanamo'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Watch what they do, not what they say'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you will only get a clearer difference when they believe that you truly want that difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you make it sound as though the people are culpable for their circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as it is, they aren't bothering much with that difference, because the voters have given them no indication that they care'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course we have'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem is that they control the media, and distort the truth with their spin'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not in terms of your aggregate voting pattern!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Voting pattern per se isn't enough - not all are strong enough to abstain'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'some acquiesce with the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'doesn't mean they're satisfied'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one side reveals their hatred for the poor and love for the rich, and there's no appreciable swing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that tells them all they need to know'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was very much surprised when I found out that Bush was using Madison Av. to create commercials that to push the Government position by pretending that it was coming from "concerned" citizens. This was done in violation of federal law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You speak in theoretics; of how things should be'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The reality is that the majority don't know/don't care, and the educated minority are repressed'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, my country's voting population is a lot more reactive to events... as a result, the parties modify their platforms in response'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's the same elsewhere too'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd imagine that you have a media independent of government'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the public reacts, the parties will respond'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here, Rupert Murdoch owns every single media station'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no independent journalism'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's 1984'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't react... too bad. If you're a 47 percenter who votes for Mr Hates47percenters, well...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's more than enough publicity about these events, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's only what they want you to see'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Small-arms bill passing?  Distract with sports/celebrity news'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'LIBOR busted? distract with elections coverage'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you just react to those events that they "want you to see" as you put it, that's enough to force them to react'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not, because the media spins it to the rest of the populace'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It turns the people on the people'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in general, the media shows what they think people will watch... there's no giant conspiracy to shut down every media network.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people don't seem to care, they won't show it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The media shows people what it wants them to believe'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've got to show them you care'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The media is owned by one person'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'watching TV = self programming'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's the internet too, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And the media smears it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't like the underground, which is why they're trying to censor the internet (SOPA/PIPA)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if only those with internet access react, there ought to be a perceptible swing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where's the swing from the 47% thing?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'don't buy into the 47% frame'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's white noise'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people don't seem to care too much, see... they need to stop tuning out and actually react by changing voting preferences, or they cannot save their democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You assume what you are being told to be true'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people keep believing that, then there's no penalty to a politician looking bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they should go on a general strike. That will have either of 2 effects, a) the government will yield and behave as it should b) the government will deploy the armed forces. I am betting on b)  :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reacting to something that might turn out to be false, is ironically better than not reacting at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'One doesn't react if one doesn't perceive a need to'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like a mouse being crept upon by a cat'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah it's gonna take a civil war to fix the US goverment'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say civil war, I said general strike.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Free speech is illegal now'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They have created designated free speech zones'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a general strike doesn't accomplish much unless you're willing to go all the way. Only changing your voting patterns will compel them to change their behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Most people don't realize they're in the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Even when there's a breach in the Matrix, like the Barclays scam being exposed'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when I said a general strike I meant a general strike. The people stop working until the government yields.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would at least solve the overpopulation problem after 1-3 months.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'changing your voting preference is the one and only one lever you have to move them, short of major donations or mass violence. If you don't use it, what do you expect...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well they don't want anyone workin'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, are you currently in the U.S. studying?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Speak with your peers and see their world view'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally disenchanted'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'as they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the americans, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think about 1/3 of the students in my batch are american'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your creche? :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think most of the smarter americans in my undergrad batch went off to make zillions in finance instead of to grad school'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Great - so the allure of money and status led them to perpetuate things like Barclays'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just flash the cash and you'll attract workers'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, pretty much...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and of course, many voters prefer to listen to these "successful" people rather than the intellectuals...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You should see, from your time in the U.S., that that is what is being sold to the young generation'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That success is tantamount to status, money, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's transmitted through things like music videos, television programs, movies, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Literally programming'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why be a doctor or engineer when you can be a baller ibanker with a lambo?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of people want to be doctors these days too!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they make lots in the us'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People see things like Barclays, and think "Cool, I want to do that"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, they don't start out like that, mostly...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You do when you're indoctrinated at an early age'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they get cornered into it once they realise that they either cheat or tank their own career'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why I avoided finance'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Still, huh.  Debate should build up a limit of lines per hour, upon reaching that it should switch off for the remainder of the hour :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a can't-look-away train wreck, eh'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if I ever go into finance, it would be great to be a short seller... less temptation to do bad things, and most of the time you target bad people'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but very risky, and people hate you for odd reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'At the personal level, something feels unfulfilled knowing I've only manipulated wealth and not created it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not motivated by status'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the subset of short sellers who target fraud are very important to society and tangibly do good things (when they are right)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And yet they prop the system up with yet another leg'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Same with speculators'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're like those remoras... they do the organism a good deed, but their role is often despised, due to lack of understanding...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's symbiotic'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Try telling people their gut is full of bacteria, see what the reaction is.l'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they take down frauds before they get a chance to scam more people. Tangibly a good thing...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and speculators try to assign resources to when they are most needed. As long as they don't corner the market, distorting it, it's often a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem with the U.S. is that they've created a culture in which the fiat dollar is king'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the speculators' job is to shoulder the risk.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If 99 out of 100 people reject the job, the 100th will take it, saying "Who's left to stop me?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everyone's out to get their own'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is the land of the scabs :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but to be fair, scabs keep the labor unions in check.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scabs, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'For his tachyon interference, you can take revenge on Daloran'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a scab is picket-line crosser :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'He saw it anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unique to US'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say that, I just said that the US was the land of the scabs :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they serve the purpose of curbing the labor unions' power. Classic example is what happened to the Air Traffic Controllers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, I, for one, thought the what happen was despicable.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'happened*'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an easy call, the labour unions in the UK in the 70s essentially killed off the british car industry'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'so, starshIp troopers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'great movIe or greatest?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice tits...about all that sticks out about ST'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'how DARE you sIr'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I liked the guy who spoke to squirrels'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'NPH lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'the movIe needed more of hIm'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the movie would've ended sooner if they just had Ender'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks quiet on the news front'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'well i do believe that it was the one year anniversaty of the occupy chicago chicago movement this weekend'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, EU Stasi to patrol Internet for Political Enemies opposed to "European Integration"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the sound of that headline'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'lovely way to say "Big Brother"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate The EU is working to build with the cooperation of its public-private telecom partners a sprawling Stasi-like tattle-tale system. EU officialdom is preparing proposals for semi automated detection systems and buttons to allow users to report suspicious activity on social networks and chatrooms to authorities,'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In addition, a direct police presence will be integrated into social media. This includes having a profile, joining user groups, sending and receiving messages, on the platform'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'and you arent mad?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Czech President Warns The End Of Democracy Is Imminent'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'but whatll takr Its place Is a the questIon'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'take*'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing, nothing is needed to take it's place'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'anarchy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'Im ok wIth thIs'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU government as a body is entirely superfluous, there wasn't anarchy before it, there wouldn't be anarchy after it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Gov. Gary Johnson/Judge Jim Gray Campaign has filed an antitrust lawsuit against the Democrats, Republicans, & the Commission on Presidential Debates for antitrust and anticompetitive acts. The voters deserve competition!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far far more important than it sounds. hope it succeeds'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NXhoP5bQ2M&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit long, but worth a watch'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh, FBI apparently have busted another jihadi wannabe in their own own fake islamic jihadi plot'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do seem to like creating bomb plots then arresting people for being involved in them'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Washington have taken Muhajedeen Khlaq off the uS terror list'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that nice of them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Houston PD shoot dead a wheelchair ridden double amputee armed with a pen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Thank god'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned dangerous, those double amputees with pens'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I feel safer'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you're safe all right'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the winning team, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No one wins, we all die in the end. Enjoy the ride! :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well just make sure you're armed with more than a pen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder if he had any refills'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I guess the pen is mightier than the sword, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but apparently not the gun.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But not the 9-cal'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Wait... its 9mm?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gunpen, mightier than the pen.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Fail'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's as good a justification as any for disarming police'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because like in the words of George Carlin "Americans are fucking dumb"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applies well to the police involved'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why they don't tend to hire police with IQ's over 120 these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I bet our police could make a better clan maze than the current imperium one :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Show me how smart you are b0ss'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they possible could, but irrespective, whichever imm then implements it would fuck it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus shrieks as Tigernuts grabs him from behind and begins to hump!
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look lively, quad, they're coming for your pension.....'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'haha'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'but not my securities accounts :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'you want to cut taxes on that sort of income :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'thank you!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i hope your securities are overseas, else they can raid it any time they want'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Likelihood of US govt raiding my assets - close to 0. Likelihood of Chinese govt raiding my assets - not close to 0.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be either'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Plus its fucking hard to invest in china'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be people like John Corzine and similar dodgy corps'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I had brunch with some friends from Two Sigma this morning'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think I'll be all right :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have more to lose than most'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think in the long run, the probability of gov't "guiding" pension funds toward certain investments is near 1'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not that they don't already'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they've already devalued UK pensions funds hugely over the last 15 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're now "taxing" Uk workers in the name of pensions that will be worth nothing when they retire'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-if- they retire'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they ought to copy our CPF system.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as most pensions are invested in the market in one way or another, it'd take very little to destroy them'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if the markets don't destroy them, devaluation will'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If real GDP per capita increases by 3%ish per year, that should be enough to keep the retirement wave from drowning us'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real terms gdp growth has been near 0 or negative for over a decade'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure cold fusion and teleporting devices will be invented soon'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole UK national insurance/government pension scheme, dreamt up after WW2 did not include the increase in life expectancy from 62 to 84, and was predicated on full, or very nearly full employment from the age of 16'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say, it is a ponzi scheme of truly biblical proportions'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much like the entire western system of money'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'demographic ponzi schemes are the best'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in our system, you can only get whatever's in your account...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, so that's why we'll be glad of MD's like Quad to kill us all effectively when the population gets too high'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although you can always purchase annuities and stuff or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'UK population is much too high already!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, tinada, we went past sustainable population in the early 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you think UK population is too high...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should see us!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're now at around 350% of sustainable population'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Good thing UKers are moving to Florida and getting people to sit in front of computers all day so they develop DVTs'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So you really should cut immigration to 10% of what it is now'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one little island, 5million people'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't do shit with population, we're not a sovereign nation anymore, remember?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least you still make your own money'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, we have the printing presses and everything'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK still controls all the major levers of its administration... it's pretty easy to disentangle it from all the treaties if it felt like doing so'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At any rate, since gov'ts are likely to keep printing money for another 20 years, I don't think the nominal value of pensions are threatened'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the nominal value that's the issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike say, countries like italy and greece, which have given up that very important power...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the real problem is Tigernuts and his whacko conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for once I agree with starling!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think John Corzine ripping off $1bn of clients money is a conspiracy theory?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, the illuminati are the true masters, blame them'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Some myths are true'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's well known, it's not exactly a conspiracy. It's an ordinary criminal event'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Sonshi and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'QE1, 2 and unlimited didn't happen (US) and 1,2  (UK) didn't either?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Last I read, I think it was decided not to prosecute anyone, so it probably wasn't very criminal'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh kay'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Poor Corzine just doesn't know where the money vanished, I'm sure he's perfectly honest'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure he must have just mislaid it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no prosecutions? After failing to segregate accounts? Haven't been following though'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yeah no charges'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its good to be the king... er... former governor of NJ'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not as though Corzine was some sort of GS finance expert or anything, so you can't really blame him'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vamGQA8gaZs'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'presumption of innocence and all...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus smirks at Tinada's saying.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, the us doesn't have a great record of dealing with corruption...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presumption of innocence, how quaint'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that like presumption of privacy? didn't that die last century?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, you're innocent until proven guilty, unless you're black and/or poor!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8shifty'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can have privacy, if you find the magical cheat codes on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or hold politically opposed views'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're a terrorist, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you don't have to have a facebook account ever...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I don't have a facebook account, then how will I know what my friends eat for breakfast?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Twitter'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the revolution will be televised" did a brilliant sketch on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people are free to give away their privacy if they want to... by this time most people ought to know what they're getting into with facebook'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Twitter only works if my friends can type, I think'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they went out on the street with rubber fingers on poles, poking random people, trying to show them pictures of themselves and asking them to follow them'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of revolution, there was another mini uprising in libya recently'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty accurate representation of facebook'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what's the big deal about facebook, as soon as you connect to the internet you can throw privacy out the window'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Don't tell me the good libyan al-qaeda are doing naughty things?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a comment on it's benality than privacy'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and just because privacy has been stolen from us doesn't mean we shouldn't have a right to it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'your expectation of privacy is diminished by the very fact that you are posting personal information on facebook - to the public.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'why should you want to breathe in space! there's no air up there normally! just get over it!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they stormed some islamist militias and drove them out or forced them to disband'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i personally don't, dresory'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one protestor compared it to the storming of the bastille. I'm not sure they'd want what came after that though...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop other idiots doing it for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dresory nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'polls show that the population overwhelmingly favours the immediate disbanding of militias and absorbtion into a national force as individuals.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the murder of the american ambassador just blew that sentiment into the open'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have a feeling I should read that ambassador story more carefully, he didn't seem to be particularly well guarded, given the talk about how security was high for 9/11 this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again accidents happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he might've felt safe in a country that seemed to love him...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard they were using rubber bullets in the attachment assigned to him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the white houses's line on that attack fell apart, didn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that and that he didn't want any security.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't run! we're your friends!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nooooo, that video wasn't the arabs lynching him, they were helping him! look, they were saying "God is Great, He's safe!"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he would've been glad to know that his death doesn't seem to have been in vain...'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, I heard a stat on the Afghanistan war today about US casualties.  With Bush in office, there was 625 total deaths and something like 2500 wounded for both terms.  Under Obama, there were 1400ish deaths and like 17000 wounded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'anyone know which republican group runs http://unskewedpolls.com/ ? I assume it must be someone on that side'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be combatant deaths, hans, not total deaths'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might even be your side only'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can see the trend there'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'impressive, for a war you had no business being involved in'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that wasn't even necessary in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rapidly increasing before peaking at 496 in 2010'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, wasn't the reason given to get shot of al-cia-da?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2012 seems to be on course for a second straight decline in casualties'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one wonders how they magically transformed that into a policy of regime change'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'd imagine the multi-billion dollar poppy crop that wasn't allowed under Taliban rule, the huge rare-earth metal deposits, and the geopolitical finger up at Russia had nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite the Taliban administration offering to co-operate fully and unconditionally with USA in bringing in Al-cia-da well before the invasion happened'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds suspiciously like the invasion of Iraq, where Mr Bush and Mr Blair got together with their intelligence services and said "We need a crap excuse to go to war that won't pass any form of scrutiny but don't worry because the whole system is fucked and they'll never check up on it, and if they do, we'll string the enquiry out so long that nobody will still be alive who gave the orders in the first place"'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but thats ok, because american voters love having servicemen brought home in coffins, that's why they keep voting for wars!'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm going to give you some social advice'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If you ever go out, don't say things like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's the kind of bury-your-head-in-the-sand attitude that allows it to happen'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There is a time and a place for that sort of discussion'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And its offensive'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Back to AFK'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the 2 million people who protested against the Iraq war'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you find it offensive, then it's your own guilty conscience'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: '"that's offensive", well get over it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '2 million protesters out of more than 300 million is less than 1% of the populace'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK doesn't have 300 million people'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it was 2 million congregating in London, which is the biggest protest that has ever taken place int he country ever'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Dude, you said this: (Debate) Tigernuts: 'but thats ok, because american voters love having servicemen brought home in coffins, that's why they keep voting for wars!''
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That's just disgusting. No one likes having people come home in body bags'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then don't vote for it'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And for you to extrapolate that from a war is disgusting'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'First, I didnt'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Second, it doesnt matter even if I did'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That does not mean I like people coming home dead'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You do understand the difference, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad it upsets you because it should'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't just upset me, it makes me angry'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Good'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If you want to do something about it, learn how to express that anger without completely turning off everyone you talk to'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you're not a complete loss after all'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'It'll do you a world of good. It's an important skill to have'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I am so so glad you feel that way about me :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I told you, once you go Starling you never go back :>'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't mind me, my bot broke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeatHole: 'ohey look i fixed my i's'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Little Johns: 'Best pClass, go!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Court rules motorists can be detained for paying by cash at toll booths'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYC schools give out morning-after pills to students without telling parents'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unskewedpolls puts romney 3 points ahead on average of 11'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what "unskewed" polls would that be?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver predicts Obama winning. Not only is he "unskewed", he's the most accurate predictor and pollster in recent history.l'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one bloke?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sodomy is gross'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not even pretending to be an independent anymore, are you? Now you're just spouting off lies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Straight up lies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are you to talking to?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver is more than one bloke and even if he were, it doesn't change the fact that he's the most accurate predictor of anything in the past several decades. He's won awards for that shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You, obviously, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good for him'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(more than one bloke = He doesn't work alone)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, what "unskwered" polls are these phantom polls you refer to?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.unskewedpolls.com/'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, so it's not a blanket term for several pools, it a bullshit poll on a website that looks like it took 4 minutes to put together.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How very credible!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like your CV?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I click on a random poll from there (NY Times/CBS), and it goes to an article whose headline is "Mitt Romney lead hidden by doubly skewed New York Times/CBS News poll"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Strange how it says Romney's gotten a n3tgain of 7.8% in recent days when EVERY OTHER POLL shows him losing votes in that same period.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'irony'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And whose first sentence is "The latest New York Times/CBS News poll of the presidential race released today is yet another doctored poll..."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd bother reading the methodology, you'd understand why those ones have been selected and why they show that effect'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Romney sucks and Obama is gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just pointing out that this is the article that THAT WEBSITE is pointing to'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'for that poll'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just seems funny to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds pretty accurate to me, Leinei'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you needed "the presidential election frontrunners described in one word" that would do it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should we believe this poll when nobody's heard of it, nobody references it, every other poll contradicts it and you're a pathetic liar?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Ooh, I get it.  They aren't actually reporting the results of polls'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, that seems accurate...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Independent my penis. You're not lying anymore, just using bullshit logic and arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, leinei, they're unskewing the polls using statistics'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the age-old "Hope they don't fact-check" me excuse of debating.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correcting for sample bias etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama will still win because it's not based on the %age of vote'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sounds like they're assuming that the amount of republicans and the amount of democrats in this country is exactly equal'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'which I doubt is true'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well almost none of the polls take into account non-voters or independants'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If a random sample happens to be comprised of 44% democrats vs. 39% republicans, I'd trust that makeup over the assumption that those numbers should be equal'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lies, damn lies, and statistics'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just come out of the closet already, Tigernuts. WHy do you feel some perserve need to pretend like you aren't a right-winger, claiming to be an independent?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I randomly pick people, and I happen to pick more democrats than republicans, I think the logical assumption is that there are more democrats than republicans, not that the data is skewed'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'poll don't take into account non-voters because they don't vote?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's almost like you're ashamed to be who you really are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you so wound up about tonight, Yuna? nobody been prodding at your bunghole?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because your bullshit getting tiring. Who the FUCK cares about a website NOBODY'S EVER HEARD OF?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Your website is assuming that the exact same number of republicans are going to vote as democrats'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHich LIES?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'which I doubt is true'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that tells me, i guess i should believe everything I hear on MSNBC then'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not even Faux Noise is referencing that bullshit website.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If that website can't even pass Faux Noise's "fair and balanced" filter, then it's pure horseshit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Classic Tigernuts, by the way. Unable to defend his own arguments, attacks the posters instead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'u suck'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you should go back to watching the Kardashians, or America's Next Great Lesbian, or whatever counts as modern culture there'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just looking at the 2008 election: "Statistics from the twenty-nine states that have partisan voter registration suggest that the national increase came primarily from Independents and Democrats. Among these twenty-nine states, the number of registrants identifying with the Democratic Party increased 10.8%, compared to 0.5% for Republicans."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, WHY do you feel an incessant need to masquerade as an Independent? Just come out already. You're a right-winger.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So I think that website's assumptions that # of dems voting = # of repubs voting is  flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'anybody watch clinton's speech at the NDC?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't make any assumption on that, leinei'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, neither do modern popular polls just ask "who are you going to vote for"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can make the assumption that the the eligible democratic voters are increasing faster than the number of eligible republican voters'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can't make that assumption'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My point is that your website makes an assumption (number of democrats voting = number of republicans voting) which has no factual basis whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How can you make THAT assumption?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for one, it's not -my- website'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'number two, you can't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Then their methodology is flawed'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because that's what they do'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm voting for Ron Paul, bitches love Ron Paul'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well like i said, most polls will have some form of bias or flawed methodology'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are by their nature a sample'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're point is that we shouldn't trust the website YOU linked to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good. We won't then.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't trust any website'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's bnecause you're a conspiracy nutter.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i can guarantee any website you cite will have a left-wing bias to it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna is a culture hound'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna is the debate channel equivalent of a crazy old cat lady'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Let me guess she is pro sodomy and pro killing babies and pro gun control'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck knows, but she needs medication'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's rich coming from Chemosh's wingmang.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wingman'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even sure who Chemosh is'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the heck is Snooky, anyway? Some new sockpuppet?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Thing is, if polls have a left wing bias then they are proved wrong when the election happens, and the guy who runs 538 was right about 49/50 states last presidental election as well as all of the Senate races.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd guess he's a fellow patriot'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's Nate Silver, Cyrni.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Tigernuts doesn't let pesky little things such as fact, history and past precedence get in the way of his righteous rants.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't matter if the websites are biased, if their polls are statistically valid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not saying they are or aren't valid, since I haven't looked at a single poll, and don't really care to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because anyone who disagrees with him is a bleeding-heart liberal and the left are evil.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '538 looked pretty much in keeping with the mainstream'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Just because it's mainstream doesn't make it automatically wrong, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '538 also called the Prop 8 race down to the exact percentile, IIRC.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Tigernuts, are you getting senile? Chemosh is the conspiracy nutter who makes up the Triumvirate of Bullshit together with you and that 3rd person whose name always eludes me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'why do you always want to pick a fight with Tiger Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know, the one you keep conversing with while slapping each other on the back about how you agree on everyhthing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Begins with an A and ends with naristos?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Anaristos is not in the triumvirate'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because she's a bra-burner'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she can't stand people having opinions other than her own'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know very well that I am a man, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if anyone dares that, she runs around screeching like a banshee'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I attack Tigernuts the same way I attack anyone with flimsy excuses for arguments. And people allow Tigernuts to get away with way too much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Debate is close to useless nowadays because most of the time, Tigernuts nand Chemosh have taken over the channel to rant about how Hitler didn't really hate the Jews or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'heard of respect what other thinks, even if its ....'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rarely speak about Hitler or Jews'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I tend to switch off at that point'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You didn't disagree with Chemosh when he did.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well chemosh has always been like that Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably because i wasn't listening'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh is druzil right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like when people start up on gay marriage or abortion, i just switch off'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ronda, respect isn't given, it is earned. And if someone starts out by using bullshit rhetoric, arguments and logic and then has no answer when people reply to them with respect and civility but to attack them presonally, why should I respect them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You might've noticed how in the past 20 minutes, Tigernuts has had no valid rebuttals to my arguments but "You're a feminist"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i mean why putting so much effort to try to change someones view?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah. I should totally respect him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you've made none'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm giving him the smackdown he so truly deserves.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'at the end you get all worked up and the other person dosent really care'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've had to endure weeks of him taking over the channel to spew lies and inaccuracies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no lies in ideology, only opinion'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You didn't seem to care then. But I give him a smackdown, the first in weeks, and all of a sudden you're up in my grill.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what subject would you love to spray vitriol at next, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It depends. What lies are you going to spout next?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me? i don't have anything to lie about'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Claiming not to r3emember who Chemosh is when you engage him in conversation pretty much every single day and feign ignorance to the fact that I'm a man. Also claiming steadfastedly to be an Independent despite being an obvious Right-winger. Yeah. You're just OOZING credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always happy to give my opinion on stuff'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit more complicated than left-right, you raelise'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left-right paradigm is a false paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You seem really stuck on this left right thing Yuna, they got you hook line and sinker'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be more accurate to describe peoples' position in terms of political and ideological beliefs to be a series of vectors representing different facets, each with a direction and a magnitude'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left-right paradigm is a horrid artefact that comes about from projecting that multi-dimensional set of vectors onto a 1 dimensional axis'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're familiar with n-dimensional vector maths, presumably'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And debate gets quiet once Tiger starts killin it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt there was any to be hand'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had*'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because he's totally killing it with proper debate instead of endless jibber-jabber about how "The Left" are all evil while the Right are righteous.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky shakes his head at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that was a "no", snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You missed the whole point and went back to accusing people of being "right wing" when they don't share your viewpoints'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'let me guess you watch msnbc and hate fox news and thats where you get your "views" from?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even watch MSNBc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I don't accuse anyone who disagrees with me of being right-wing. I accuse people obviously espousing nothign but right-wing views to be right-wing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I bet you cried tears of joy when Obama got elected'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was it who was trying to say that if you don't vote for the major parties then you're part of the problem, not part of the solution?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall now'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that had my bbq's out'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'someone actually said that?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, don't recall who though'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't Yuna, I want to say "It was the other one"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't me, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hoping someone will know what/who I mean'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But why should we trust my memory over yours when you seem to think you've never engaged Chemosh in conversation.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've got a terrible memory'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I havent voted for either of the two parties since Ive been able to vote'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially with names'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You could go to abelincs website it has logs for this channel'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I disagree! now what are we debating?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it'll come back to me, either some time next week when i've forgotten about it, or when they next say something'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing's up, sep'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring something if you like'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'let's debate what it is exactly that makes me so awesome:P how's that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no opinion on that'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your mediocre response-time in trivia?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his google search isn't fast enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'How about the fact that gays have the same rights as straights allready? I like that one'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky shrieks as Tigernuts grabs him from behind and begins to hump!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, SNooky. That's totally not a lie.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What? I can't marry a dude either and niether can two gay dudes marry each other. Same rights, discussion over.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could've sworn there was a country somewhere about to relax laws about marrying relatives...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Was it Iran by any chance?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "age of consent - should the age of pretty much everything be set to 18 and be done?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The US is the only country in the west that prohibits cousin marriage, IIRC'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And only some states'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Didn't Jerry Lee Lewis marry his 13 year old cousin?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Little Johns: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '15 year old cousin'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Snooky. Let's talk about gay adoption, gays giving blood, gays being allowed to bring same-sex dates to prom...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amuses me, and i'm not sure why'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'No, she was 13'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the big one is the gay adoption thing. If you live in the U.S., it's not legal in many (most?) states.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So SHUT UP.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manners'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least Tigernuts has the excuse that he lives in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's more problematic is that when the male strippers are in the building the gay dudes don't get free cover.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thing is I won't shut up. It's not like those laws were made because people hate gay people'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It has to do with culture and society'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'w'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, totally not, Snooky. Totally not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why did culture and society frown upon those things? Homophobia.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'It's just our culture to mistreat gay people, so it's OK!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky shakes his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps debate this topic in a christian scripture channel :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why, pray tell, did they outlaw gay adoption?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, it wasn't because they hate gay people!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So gays can't raise they children all screwy'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because for the longest time the "science" showed that gay couples didn't make good parents.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why would they raise childrfen all screwy, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'homosexuality is a contagious social disease'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think where religion influence politics you will find more discrimination against homosexuals than in other places.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Because gays love for each other is based on promiscuity'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, no'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Handslanda, no it didn't. I don't think science EVER did that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They couldn't come up with any credible studies that did that. They just lied about it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like the smoking pot/gateway drug science'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what is straight love based on?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not wrong until proven wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Morals values etc...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Straight love is based on... "moral values"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you use contraceptives, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(This includes pulling out)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the polarbears can't swim science, the coming ice age science, the peak oil science, keynsian economics science'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you ONLY have sex for the sake of procreation?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(It also includes "safe periods")'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pulling out isn't a contraceptive.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pulling out is a method to prevent conception.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's pretty much the same thing, only much less reliable.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'this is actually a pretty evenly matched debate seeing as half of aardwolf is gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your gaynses counts for 2, gregor'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '=h 2'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we're all gay.  Remember, there are only guys on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, SNooky, you only have sex when there's a chance of conception and you always come inside/let him come inside?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not straight or gay. I like guitars.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an adopted child deserves a home where the foster-parents are heterosexual (and not homosexpervert sodomists)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool, well on that note it's off to GH3'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'me too, lets join hands!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think I know the answer to that question because you're refusing to answer it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But if I was a fosterchild I would want to opt out of being adopted into two gay dads who makeout with each other and their friends all day'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Celibacy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do realize that foster children can say "No" to being adopted, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the question, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And yeah Yuna sometimes I fuck my wife to fuck my wife. I'm supposed to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No you're not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'As animals yes we are'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'After all, homosexual love is all about the sex, which is wrong. SO why should you fuck your wife just for pleasure?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's only like 2 non-human species that have sex for pleasure, actually'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Animals fuck for procreation. Very few animals have recreational sex.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Gregor an "independent" (neither straight nor gay, a la mode Tigernuts)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gay stuff happenes in nature as well as a reaction to what is around you...like being in prison or getting molested as a child'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The animals who ahve sex just for fun are limited to bonobos and that 2nd species whose name elusdes me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'actually, I'm completely straight. I just don't get out much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think dolphins do'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either a troll or you grew up with the worst parents ever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'and silverback gorillas'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why? I turned out great.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(seems that Tigernuts is an "independent" right-wing supporter)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'chimps pleasure eachother'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts claims the Democrats are turning gay rights into a wedge issue. He blames the Democrats alone for that. Yeah... Independent...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ladychimps are very keen'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'chimps are animals that failed to evolve into a technological society'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'and curious'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still don't get the "Gay love is based on promiscuity but I have sex with my wife for pleasure" logic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, did you have sex with anyone BEFORE you got married?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But they are...dems are using gay rights to stay in office just like Bush used anti gay rights to get re-elected'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And why is that a bad thing?  What kind of policies *should* they be using?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'newsflash: politicians use wedge issues to get votes =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'social policies are very important to a lot of people'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just as much as say, economic ones'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It wouldn't be a fucking wedge issue if the Republicans simply allowed the Democrats to pass gay rights legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Because I met my wife in high school and it was a legit romantic relationship Yuna. Its not like she is my boyfriend that I met a gay bar circle jerk. after we all fucked each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the Democrats have been championing gay rights for DECADES, both in and out of office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'eh, not all of them :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SO, no, they haven't turned it into a wedgfe issue at all. It remains the Republicans' fault that it is a wedge issue.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay rights won't put food on the table, electric into the light bulbs'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"God" dislikes homosexuals  (context human)  -- (currently the proof of this theorem requires knowledge not available to sex-perverts)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Until recently Democrats had been avoiding the issue as much as possible, actually.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure it will, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No they hadn't, Izocinoc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If gay couples have access to the same govt benefits as straight couples'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay for real though, I think gays should get the same rights. As far as adoption and marriage and all that goes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedoms of speech, thought, and the right to privacy trump gay rights because gay rights are a subsection of some of these'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What other rights are there, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much all everyone's asking for.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'This is America after all. I meant ALL rights Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can speak out against gay marriage, you can hate people in your mind, you can do whatever you want that is legal in private.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Yes, the Democrats have done a terrible misservice to the gay community with things such as the Defense of Marriage act being signed into law under a Democratic president.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gay marriage passing does not prevent any of that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What was he supposed to fucking do?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rule as a dictator and veto a bill passed by both chambers?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am against abortion personally for example. But I beleive if a majority of a state wants it legal then it should be so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'What? Vetoing a bill makes you a dictator?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how often you do it, izoc'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When both chambers passed it, the President vetoing the bill is basically him ruling as a dictator, overruling the majority of all elected officials in both chambers, in essence overruling the will of the voters.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vetoing a bill Yuna is in favor for is'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'he's already vetoed 2 bills'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Both of which failed to overcome the veto'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what HAS he vetoed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'It's overruling the legislative branch, not the voters.  The voters also elect the President.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The voters also elect the chambers!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'So?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know, the fucking legislative branch!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"December 30, 2009: Vetoed H.J.Res. 64, Making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2010, and for other purposes."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and: "October 7, 2010: Vetoed H.R. 3808, the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Is a judge striking down a law being a dictator?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'it's part of our standard governmental procedures...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Leinei, we're talking about Bill Clinton.-'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, hah, he vetoed like 30 bills :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '37'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Judges don't strike down laws with the argument "Because I disagree with it". They have prove that the laws are unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Yuna, pleae look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the only way for judges to strike down laws.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more than any other president other than H.W'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Most US presidents veto bills.  They are not dictators.  You're being crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But what excuse would he have for vetoing that bill?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Both chambers passed it, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES were overwhelmingly against gay marraige at the time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If he'd vetoed it, he'd be overriding EVERYONE.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Uh, no.  He wouldn't have been overriding me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'INCLUDING the voters. You don't seem to realize how very anti-gay the 90's were in the U.S:.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You were in the MINORITY at the time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You didn't join the majority 'til TWO YEARS AGO.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'So, does that make bad laws good, just because most people agree with them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or one. Depending on the poll.-'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I NEVER SAID THAT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Should presidents accept bad laws because most people want them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Plenty of bills vetoed that the majority of people probably would've approved'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that Bill Clinton couldn't justify vetoing that bill besides "I don't like it"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'eg. stem cell research'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'bush veoted that'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You underestimate the stupidity of the U.S: voters.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'topix: this is a homosexual-catering mud -- so a decent debate on (the badness of) homosexuailty is unlikely -- some (that do not care about the opinions of homosexuals and sexperverts) may debate, but most of the heterosexual mudders are likely to keep mostly silent on some topics'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Hopefully he had could have come up with a better articulated reason.  Millions of Americans could have.  And "because he doesn't like it" is exactly why he should veto it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The POTUS is not supposed to impose his will on the people against their wishes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You think the other 37 bills he did veto were ones that the majority of americans dissaproved of?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I don't like it" vetoes IS ruling like a dictator.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'If the people REALLY want it, the legislature overrules the veto.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. The legislature WOULD have overruled that veto. He knew his veto would've failed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Dude, it's part of the process.  The first president did it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In fact, two of his vetos WERE overrided'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei . o O ( overridden... )
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're STILL blaming the Democrats to this day for that. Yes, let's blame them and vote Republican instead. And see them rescind every single right we have.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Bill Clinton failed in that regard, but his hands were tied. Also, it's important to remember why they were tied: Because the Republicans dominated both chambers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He successfully vetoed 35 bills.  That doesn't sound like his hands were tied'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Bills of lesser importance the opposition wouldn't have fought as hard for.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'All I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't fight very hard for gay rights.  And yes, the reason for that was political, because they didn't have the support of most of the US population.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'lesser importance?  You remember when the govt shutdown because of his vetos?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That was, what, 14 years ago?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Republicans used it as a wedge issue because they knew Democrats were weak there.  Now the tables are turning.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'like 17'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats didn't fight "very hard", but they still fought for us and they never fought AGAINST us.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'you act like he didn't have the power to veto important stuff.  I'd say causing the entire federal government to shutdown is pretty darn important'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Nobody said they did.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their support has strengthened in recent years, yes, bolstered by more support from the voters. WHy would they fight very hard for something the voters don't want?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say that Leinei. I said that he could'd vetoed it, but it would've been overridden.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Well, he could have vetoed it to make a point, but it would have been a political loss for the party.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly. Why veto it just to make a point when it would've been a loss for the party? It would've ended up hurting the party, giving the Republicans MORE power, to potentially pass MORE damaging bills.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Try to win the war, not every battle.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so if homosexuals want a hard debate with hard accusations and aspersions against (the badness of) homosexuality -- find a (say) irc (scripture) channel where truth is often debated and participants are not kicked for expressing contrary opinions'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Thanks for the advice Zela.  That was very helpful.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Over a third of all democrats voted for the bill.  It had every right to pass.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(over a third of all that voted, that is)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, 2 years before that, Norway codified same-sex civil union into law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Denmark did so in 1989'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Communist Sweden did the same the same year DOMA passed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Too bad we live in a democracy, then, instead of a do-what-everyone-else-does-acy'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'that's because sweden sucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, the year BEFORE that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'btw, I can name a bunch of countries in which it's illegal, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Countries that are considered developed Western democracies, Leinei?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name some.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iran'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some countries that are considered developed countries have a lot to be desired on the morals, ethics, and human rights front'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Every single country that isn't blue'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You call Iran a developed Western democracy?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iran'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, Leinei?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not the best at geography, but the vast majority of those countries aren't DEVELOPED WESTERN DEMOCRACIES.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran is pretty close to the most westernised islamic republic there is'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'India and Tailand are great for the gays'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been a developed SECULAR and very rich republic had USA not stuck their beak in and fucked them up in the 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'India is not great for females'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Iran isn't great for anyone who isn't an older brown man.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'muslim cultures seem to treat females as chattels'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'peru, bolivia, paraguay, chile, all don't recognize any same-sex unions.  mexico and uruguay both recognize them, but don't perform same-sex marriage.  brazil and ecuador have cohabitation rights, but no marriage rights.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's a bunch of western democracies for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'also a crapton more in the eastern hemisphere (which is, btw, where every country you named is)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Any MUDers that are Gay AND Blind here?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats the only way I could be gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'if you couldn't see his hairy back?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Used to know one.  She hasn't played for years, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I named countries in the Eastern Hemisphere? Like?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'norway, sweeden, denmark'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Eastern, is that to the left or right Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Norway, Sweden and Denmark are in the EASTERN HEMISPHERE?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'east of the meridian, technically he's right'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yes, they are'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'lol.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything east of Greenwich, UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'science win, and as usual, yuna pwnt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not that it matters, because you know very well what I mean by "Western".'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'actually, no I didn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'because then I can name a lot more'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'italy, greece'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'POLITICALLY.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'shrugs, I don't follow international politics'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ANd I never said all Western democracies allow civil unions. WHy did you even dreg that argument up'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was making fun of how when the U.S. was busy banning gay marriage, many countries were moving towards legalizing it, not that ALL other countries were.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '[24 Sep 17:13:14] (Debate) Yuna: 'Countries that are considered developed Western democracies, Leinei?''
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who isn't in the NATO gang isn't real or human, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'you asked'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That was AFTER you put that map up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'insert frantic backpeddling, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden's not in NATO.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no it wasn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You were naming countries which allowed gay marriage.  I said I could name a lot that didn't.  You asked if I could name ones that were western democracies'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so I did'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I didn't, Leinei.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was naming countries which were PASSING CIVIL UNIONS around the same time or BEFORE the U.S. banned gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'ok.  that doesn't change the last two sentences'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'insert RANDOM CAPS to try AND make a point THAT isn't actually anything VALID.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I very specifically said "same-sex CIVIL UNIONS". Denmark would wait 'til 2000 to pass same-sex marriage, Norway a few years later and Sweden wouldn't do it' til 2009.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What last two sentences?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'ok, what's your point?  I named a bunch that didn't and don't allow same-sex civil unions'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'after you asked me to'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because I was too lazy to look up whi9chj countries were which on that map. So I asked you a question.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I answered.  Then you asked me why I was naming them'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It doesn't change the fact that I never argued what you think I argued to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I told you'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And here we are'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are any of those sexpervert countries going to "legalise" human-animal "marriages"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I asked you why you even brought that map up to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No, you asked why I dragged the argument up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and maybe as an encore "legalise" human-vegetation "marriages"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never argued that all countries allowed same-sex marriage Or that all Western (politically) Democracies did. I was naming the Nordic countries to make fun of the fact that while both houses were busy banning gay marriages, all Nordic countries were slowly moving towards legalizing gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHich is the same thing, Leinei.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I answered you'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And your answer makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and the answer was "because you asked"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"There are countries worse than we/as bad as we are" isn't a valid excuse.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, how about answering this: "So what?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'human-robot "marriages"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I ask you bring up the countries which didn't allow same-sex civil unions?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I never made any argument that is anything close to resembling that'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: ''[24 Sep 17:13:14] (Debate) Yuna: 'Countries that are considered developed Western democracies, Leinei?'''
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Which is the only reason I was naming those countries'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no other reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but you started it by saying "I can name a bunch of countries where it's illegal too".'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and I could'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As if it made any sense to the argument at hand. I was humoring you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And what sense did you naming countries that passed same-sex civil unions make?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was making a fucking joke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps the USA may look at legalising Human-Corporation "marriages" -- when the human dies, the Corporation gets the estate of the human'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sorry, I must've missed the punchline'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Much ado about nothing, Leinei. It's like you took it as a personal insult that I talked down on the U.S. track record on gay rights in the 90's.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nope, I just took it as a fallacious argument that I was poking holes in'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'evidently not knowing that it wasn't a fallacious argument, but rather a joke'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How was my statement fallacious in any way?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'an argument can be bad even if the statements are true'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The U.S. banned gay marriage. Meanwhile, the Nordic countries had all legalized civil unions at that time [and were slowly moving towrads legalizing gay marriage]".'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what way was that "fallacious"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'See my previous statement'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't even begin to hint that I was meant that ALL countries were doing it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Australia is still painfully behind the times.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nor did I imply that you did'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how the FUCK was it fallacious?1'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when did "being trendy" become a valid indicator of right/wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I assumed there was a reason you were making that statement'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and not just the fact that you liked to type'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, what was the argument you were trying to make by making that statement?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But how was it fallacious?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Say what the argument that you were trying to make is, and I'll tell you'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have yet to tell me in what way it was fallacious?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So in other words, it never was. You assumed it was.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because there's no argument that you *can* make that isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'using those facts in the context of the conversation'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My joke was that the land of the free isn't really free. Friggin' deeply Catholic South American countries beat you to the punch in legalizing same-sex marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And while both chambers were scrambling to ban gay marriage, many countries were moving towards legalizing it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'True facts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there any other sort?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I was stating true facts in that while both chambers were scrambling to ban gay marriage, many countries weren't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(weren't moving towards legalizing it)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends, do you watch Fox News, Tigernuts? The "news channel" whose polls sometimes add up to more than 100%.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'this debate is gay'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never claimed that your statement was fallacious.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claimed mine was.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay marriage is a piss-poor measure of freedoms in a country'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No I didn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you fucking senile?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gay rights aint the Civil rights movement for the blacks thats for sure'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And you said that my statements made no sense.  So you kind of did'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm working on the senile part, at least'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"[24 Sep 17:38:06] (Debate) Leinei: 'Because there's no argument that you *can* make that isn't'"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And like I already said, there's a difference between an argument and statements'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said your statement made no sense IN RESPONSE TO MY JOKE.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"It is sunny outside.  Therefore it is 2012."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'both true statements'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but a shitty argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Neither my arguments or statements were fallacious in any way.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, finish this sentence: "Norway, Sweeden, and Denmark were allowing same sex unions.  Therefore the United States..."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..should try to figure out why this type of contract should/should not be allowed'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My point is that replacing that first sentence with "Italy, India, and Australia were banning same-sex unions." nullifies whatever argument you were making'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I NEVER said that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'never said what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was aruging that while the U.S: was busy banning same-sex marriage, many countries had already or were on their way to pass civil unions and moving towards passing gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's not an argument, that's just a statement of facts'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i was googling for "what is space made of" most answers are like "there are a bunch of particles". people just keep on talking their own monologues. it happens on debates all the time. too little respect or something.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My argument was that the U.S. was behind then and it is behind now. That's it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, it's OK for you to just state facts, but when I name countries in which gay unions are banned, it's NOT ok for me to just be stating facts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'btw, I will mediate for 1M'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But rather you have to criticize me for stating those facts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said that. I questioned the necessity of your argument in response to my joke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Other countries are just as bad or worse" isn't really much of a defense.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I was just stating facts.  Just like you were just stating facts.  My facts were just as true as your facts'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "At least we aren't executing our gays, like Iran".'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but evidently, I have to have a reason, but you don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So what was the reason that you were naming countries?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Since I have to have a reason that I was naming them'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because your statement of facts was a shoddy defense. "People are worse/just as worse as us!" is the shittiest defense ever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But "people are better than us" is a better one?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, this has been a huge wast4e of time. I have better things to do than waste my time aruging with someone who clearly just wants to have the last word.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you just realized that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish wants two last words.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei tells Summoner Yuna that instead of saying fuck, he should just say 'mm'kay', mm'kay?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Waaah I'm getting pwned Im going home'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I get the last word on the sports channel, so it's ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(and usually the first, second, and third one, too)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My joke: The U.S: prides itself in calling itself the Land of Free, yet around the same time that both chambers were scrambling to ban gay marriage, the Nordic countries had all passed civil unions (civil unions isn't even legal in most states today).'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we got that'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Leineis rebuttal: So? A bunch of other countries don't allow gay marriage and/or civil unions either!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but they never called themselves the Land of the Free.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone here was under any illusion that USA was even remotely free these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Actually, "Land of the Free" is the national anthem of Belize'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so...yeah'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If that's not crystal clear enough for you, then you need to sue whichever school district provided you with elementary education.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there aren't a lot of good arguments for restricting marriage to heterosexual couples'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the "sanctity" of marriage'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least if you don't count "it would upset many people"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sanctity of marriage is a religious/cultural artefact'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is therefore local to that religion or culure'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '/sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'marriage shouldn't be granted by government, and civil unions shouldn't be granted by religious bodies, and neither should be synonymous with the other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why countries should stay out of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'oshit, i just solved it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Izocinoc hugs Boba Felt.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Marriage should be entirely civil.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'no.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or just transfer every single right and responsibility of marriage into civil unions and make marriage a religious rite only.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Afaik, government doesn't regulate the sanctity part. Gov't creates a special type of contract which they call marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'that's ridiculously stupid, just like you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Problem with that is things like applying for medicaid, and the maximum eligible income for married couples is higher than single people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why, Boba Felt?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should civil unions have rites that single people don't?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They could call it "cheesecake" or "indianapolis" without changing the content'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'righst'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuggedaboutit'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'marriage has religious standing, and civil union has standing before the law, don't have marriage granted by something non religious'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do we need a religiously controlled LEGAL contract?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'and if you want a civil union with your toaster, go for it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legal contract is not controlled by religion'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'you're saying nothing about the sexual rights, or the rights before god, with a civil union'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I SAID that marriage should either entire civil OR, if you want to keep the word "marriage" for religious purposes only, transfer every single LEGALLY BINDING right and obligation to civil union and make marriage a religiosu rite only.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'and I had my response typed before you said your second statement, dumbass.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, it's my fault you were slow.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'so quit your capitalizing bullshit that doesn't help you make your point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ANd not psychic for figuring that out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'so ignore it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fair enough. If a religious group decides that only toasters and lawn movers may be married, that is up to them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Ajax, 19th August 1953'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'right, tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So if my toaster goes up in flames tomorrow, I can get widow benefits.  Sweet.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn it, Tinada, my lawn mower has been living in sin'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'and if a woman and a pony want to get married, if that's their religious beliefs, let them go ahead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Besides, religion did NOT invent marriage or the word marraige. Religion invented the word "holy" matrimony.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points at Tigernuts and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And nobody's moving to create "gay matrimony".'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I want to get married to a mob here on aard'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'and are you so stupid that you can't figure out that there's so many religious connotations with the word MARRIAGE that you just can't use the word because it'll never work? That's why you come up with a word that clearly means "TWO PEOPLE VIEWED AS ONE PERSON UNDER THE LAW"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'ffs, call it "two-man corporation"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'owait, that's sexist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna just wants his cock and eat it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'two person corporation'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'llp?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't really about rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about gay people getting married ruins it for others?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The word marriage came to be in around 1200-1300 and is derived from a Latin word, a word which existed long before Christianity and was definitely not based on Judaism.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just a fundamentalist thing, it's no different to feminism'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHo cares if the religious THINK they own the word?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'get over it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't matter in some states, Felt.  My state has a constitutional amendment that says the only government-recognized union is marriage (between one man and one woman).'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So call it whatever you want.  It won't be govt-recognized'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'leinei -- then that should be changed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't, plain and simple. And I couldn't care less if we didn't get the word. As long as it's not separate but equal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'than what's stuck in your ass about keeping marriage for religious ceremonies?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'aside from the obvious?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Considering it just got passed 5 months ago, and it's a lot harder to repeal an amendment than it is to instate one, I don't think it's changing anytime soon'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHich is why I gave you two choices: A) Marriage is entirely civil. No religion involved. B) Civil unions is the ONLY legally binding contract between two people. Marriage has no legally binding contract. The church gets to keep it, but their ceremonies have no legal standing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'thank you, you just made my point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'play devil's advocate for the moement Felt, why does it bother religous people?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'B) is already how it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it's separate but equal if we codify in law that gay people can have the same thing as heterosexual people, as long as it's called something else.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you've made your views known. Unfortunately some states take a different collective view'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is their right'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some countries do, also'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The point is that there are plenty of people that DON'T want separate but equal'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, the majority of the inhabitants of the U.S. support gender neutral marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "pro" side have won every single poll since the summer of 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not the majority of inhabitants in my state'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or possibly 2010. I can't remember.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but it's not decided on a federal level'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's decided on a state level'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I could be, Leinei, it could be.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only the Republicans won't allow that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's important that stuff shoudl stay that way, despite Obama trying to neuter state power'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'founding principle of the country'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it shouldn't be, yuna, it shouldn't be.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I doubt it could be.  States have a lot of power'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet miscegenation was ultimately not left up to the states.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ask european countries (members of the EU) what they think about abuse of power'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nor was suffrage, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'and until you live here, you have zero right to complain about how it is here.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'kthx'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if they weren't, Yuna, it was because they were considered unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I fight harder for the fucking constitution than most Americans do, Felt'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Under the same reading of the constitution, so is outlawing gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'States couldn't ban miscegenation if they wanted to?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'it says the rights of man shall not be infringed on, it doesn't say anything about women.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'States rights issues'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"State laws prohibiting interracial marriage were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in the 1967 case Loving v. Virginia."'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Loving v. Virginia ruled anti-miscegnation laws unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, states can no longer ban interracial marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I love how the people who shout state's rights all the time want weed banned country wide'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dont want weed banned'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'states rights issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama has been flexing his muscles on that issue'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how nobody's argued that, yet you brought it up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the wrong camp as per'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that Romney would do any better, he called the cops on a neighbour of his smoking pot in the back garden'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it being legal in that state for that purpose'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name one group of beings that Romney ISN'T against besides old, rich white dudes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporates'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Despite what the partisan Supreme Court ruled, corporations are not beings.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, I wouldn't be surprised if the Supreme Court ruled one day that bans on gay marriage violated the fourteenth amendment'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The State Supreme Court of California pretty much already did that'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states are missing a trick with pot, legalise it, restrict ownership, ban it in public outside of sealed transaction containers, and tax the shit out of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sin taxes are the biggest horse shit '
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's already taxed like crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so they fine you for tax evasion when they catch you with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(depending on the state)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be treated a little like alcohol, really'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the average smoker/drinker/pot user costs society 1m extra in health care and whatnot, how much extra taxes should they pay for their cigarettes/wine/recreational drugs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should cover the difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they more than cover the difference here wrt to cigarettes, (not with alcohol though)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why would smoking pot make a person cost more in healthcare?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the average drinker/smoker/pot user paid the same amount for health care that would be a valid argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'should fat people pay more for food too?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smoking pot increases your chances of getting lung cancer, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'actually, that's only true if you smoke inside'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never seen someone actually go mad because of smoking. I know one guy who had to be institutionalized because of overuse of pot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'people that smoke pot are also more likely to do stupid stuff and get injured'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not neccessarily while they're high, just in general'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'misuse of alcohol is about 100x more dangerous than misuse of pot'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He was later released and it making a recovery, but overuse of pot will fuck up your brain, at least temporarily. Dunno if it has any permanent damage besides to your lungs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Leinie...no'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have been institutionalized because of overindulgance in sex'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abuse of anything can be dangerous, including coffee or chocolate'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know...all the guys that jump off roofs onto trampolines have probably smoked a doobie at one time in their life.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I abused Gummi Worms once'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In civilized parts of the world, gov't insures you against bad health luck'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because chocolate is lethal in huge doses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so smokers pay the same, if you ignore cigarette taxes etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So is alcohol. Pot can be, I think, but it also fucks up your brain.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, but all the peopl who jump off roofs have probably watched TV at some point too. Doesn't mean TV caused it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smoking pot heavily every day can give you lung/throat cancer just like cigarettes'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I say: If you got lung cancer because you smoked, no new lung for you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless we invent a way to grow lungs easily, efficiently and quickly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The same goes for livers for alcoholics.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's fair then Tinada, however that is not the case in the U.S. and still taxes are piled on tobacco and other things'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In Iran they grow organs on the backs of gay people'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'people with lung cancer don't get transplants'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you already have a predisposition to schizophrenic-format mental illnesses, pot will make it much worse'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Twyst.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you smoke pot heavily below the age of 21 it will have a negative impact on your IQ'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should avoid smoking pot if you have low blood pressure, are on blood pressure medication, or have a history of serious heart problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I didn't know cancer excluded lung t4ransplant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, if your lungs just shut down because you smoke too much, no new lungs for you.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you smoke pot, you should avoid driving for 2 hours afterwards'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But you should definatley smoke pot if you get the flu this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'teah, avoid smoking pot if you have low blood pressure, high blood pressure or medium blood pressure'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now for the good news: Smoking pot has been found to stunt the growth of certain aggressive cancers'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Get some cancers, avoid some others?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a damned good anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, muscle relaxant and pain killer'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so is physical exercise :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and sex'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also a very effective anti-nausea, and pro-appetite drug, which is why it's making waves in helping treat people who are on chemotherapy'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rolls on the floor laughing at Leinei's antics!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, unless you're a female virgin.  Then not so much a painkiller'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot overdose on it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll rephrase that, no-one has ever died from overdosing on it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not chemically addictive'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't lethally overdose on pot?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, yuna, not chemically possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not practiaclly'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'practically*'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you have a syringe full of thc maybe'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'caffeine on the other hand......^^ people have died'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'wikipedia says you have to inject 40,000 times as much as you need to get "high" in order for it to be fatal'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'taking 50 caffeine pills before an all-nighter etc'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so it is possible then'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ask anyone who has done gig security who they'd rather patrol, a gig full of drinkers, or a gig full of potheads'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, you can, it's just a riciulous amount.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just not by smoking or eating it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, just about everything is fatal if you cram enough of it in....but in some cases it's just not practically possible'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Water can kill you if you drink enough of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, pharmaceuticals on the other hand...'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I did mention chocolate being poisonous to humans earlier.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will happily take painkillers, SSRi's, oblivious to the damage they cause'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even fluoridated water'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cherries are toxic in ridiculous quantities.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto's GM crops are toxic'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'or if you're a dog'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'don't cherry pits have like cyanide or something in them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, leinei'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Water poisoning is not the same thing as cherries being toxic. Water poisoning occurs when your system has too much water in it, shutting down your organs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Certain things are simply toxic, but will not kill you if you don't too much of it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or when the water is poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contaminated'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Water itself is not toxic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Is it because the government put the cyanide there, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Leinei, it's naturally occuring'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ask Chemosh that question, Leinei.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And sorry, no offense, btw :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The issue with THC is it sits in your synapses for years.  Exactly what it gets up to there nobody has a definitive answer, but lower IQ for those people who begin using earlier than 20ish suggests it is something 'not good''
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a developmental thing, Vakieh, I haven't seen anything that suggests that it sits there'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you sure you're not confusing it with LSD?'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cos LSD bioaccumulates'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THC metabolises'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not sure Monsanto's crops are toxic, but when you drown them in roundup, which is the point of their most popular seeds, they do pick up some of the glyphosate'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'THC accumulates at the synapses, it sits there for months to years'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would explain my friend. He was definitely using it prior to turning 21.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(He's 22 now).'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'THC accumulates in fat cells'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the metabolites of THC'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your body does process them, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://www.jneurosci.org/content/26/21/5810.full.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your body does get rid of it...eventually.  But it goes in through the blood-brain barrier easily, but comes out not so easily.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, crazy article'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"it looks like prolonged heavy exposure might do stuff"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is all part of the "we know it stays there, but we're fucked as to what it does"'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but again, this is talking about "abuse" levels, not have a joint at the weekend levels'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing you can count on, it's use is old enough that we know pretty much that sensible use doesn't kill people, or veg them... generally'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With that kind of logic, we might as well legalize most drugs because they may not cause any permanent damage if you don't abuse them too much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drugs should be legalised, but not for those reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except we now know that youth using stunts their IQ by a good 20 points on average.'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'States rights issue...let California have its damn cocaine'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, had to do with still-developing brains'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Where are gay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'shagging your dad'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Frieza and Pui Pui are cousins'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all quiet on the news front'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from motorists detained for paying road toll with cash'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Colorado looking to become first US state to fully legalise pot'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody's getting arrested for paying $5 for a road toll.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are having their details demanded'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same as arrested'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'however, generously plopping down a couple grand to pay for everyone else's...that's a bit more suspicious.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get to decide what's suspicious, paying with cash is suspicious these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why there was a story of someone having the cops called on him for trying to pay for groceries with money that included a $2 bill'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a Walmart tearing up two $100 bills because they couldn't believe they were genuine'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and (allegedly) Louisiana banning the sale of second hand goods in cash sales altogether'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a lemon law.  Those have been around forever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly not everywhere and not applying to much, else people couldn't have yard sales'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Lemon law here has to do with car warranties...'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay for almost everything with cash now for a number of principle reasons'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if something fails on a car more then x times, dealership is obligated to replace the car with a different one. not sure of the details.. i think its.. same fault 3 times or something'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i use cash because i get paid in cash...'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lucky you'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you're a drug dealer?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're one of those illegal immigrants taking our jobs, ain't you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, which is why the government makes off with 40odd % of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'whore?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, I know, he's a corrupt politician!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'this is a fun game'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost unheard of to be paid in cash here thanks to the tax system'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'legimate job... just rather leave the goverment out of it :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'stripper? Waiter?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'oh i know. Babysitter'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'queen intervened to ensure Abu Hamza would be extradited to the USA to stand charge for terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which ... i'm pretty sure is illegal under the EU human rights act'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go the blue queen!!!  Vost cheers her on.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold finished the day at $1760'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'illegality isn't really about what the law says, so much as how much fuss the public makes when it's applied.  Some laws actually protect kiddie diddlers and wife beaters, but they get punished anyways (or the vigilantes who exact it aren't punished themselves) because John Q made a lot of noise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government broke our law system here'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"for the people, by the people" generally means it's the people's fault.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to have the power divided 3 ways, parliament, royal family, and the judiciary'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the royal family now doesn't do their job (and hence should be fired) and the judiciary have now been pussywhipped by parliament'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big anti-austerity riots in Madrid'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police fired rubber bullets at rubber protestors'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'irony'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anti-austerity is the "more welfare we can't afford" stuff, right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit more serious than that'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural conclusion to decades of getting people hooked on welfare, then exploding the economy so you have 25-40% unemployed, THEN cut the welfare so that people are properly starving'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called "Socialism"'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so all the best with Obama for 2012-2016, at least you can look to Greece, Spain and Portugal and see what you have in store'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's already happening'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ford to cut thousands of jobs, primarily from Germany'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun smugglers arrested with 1kg of uranium-235'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'everyone can't smuggle opium'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone can't smuggle SOMEONE ELSES opium that you invaded the steal'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was amused by the story of a mother being arrested for letting her children play outdoors'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'll love the story about the mother who was arrested for making her fat teen walk.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the woman thrown in jail for writing "9/11 truth now" on a sidewalk in chalk'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the poor girl even wanted to lose a few pounds, but some nosy neighbor noticed she was walking like 2 miles to school alone.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That woman WAS defacing municipal (or whatever) property.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vandlism, you know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That said, people are arrested by overzealous and biased cops for actual non-crimes all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and did you hear about the kid who brought his lunch to school, only to have it thrown away (he was made to eat cheese sandwiches since he had no money for a school lunch.)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that doesn't make it right, Yuna, and i've heard several stories like that since Mrs Obama starting acting as School Dinner Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I knew this was what it would eventually boil down to, Mr. I'm-So-Indepndent.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obviously, this is ALL Obama's fault.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like you're unable to go a full hour without ranting about the evils of anyone who isn't to the right of politics.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'seriously? School Dinner Hitler? Can we have some examples of what Michelle Obama is doing that is bad?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why can't Obama take all the credit the way Bush did?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't bring that story up'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I prefer this channel remains light, happy, and gay.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan certainly wants to give Obama all the credit. He blames Obama for being unable to save a plant he promised to save because it closed MONTHS BEFORE OBAMA ASSUMED OFFICE.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean, it's all Obama's fault! If Mitt Romney can retroactively retire from Bain, why can't Obama retroactively save plants?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's godtalk gregor'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Ryan is a dick'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The first sane thing you've said in possibly weeks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Solyndra.  They were approved a loan, with all parties knowing the company was insolvent.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHo the heck are you talking to, Hanslanda?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm pretty certain Obama is more a big picture kind of guy and doesn't read accounting details and legislation and such'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so he probably didn't know'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is that, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What are we talking about now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't matter.  He's the one at the top, who ultimately pays the price for scandals.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Only possible redeeming quality of Paul Ryan is his consistent support of the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how Paul Ryan has spoken publicly against Romneycare and Romney has condemned parts of Paul Ryan's bugdet.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I meant Obama didn't plan to give millions to a failing company, or design healthcare legislation to benefit insurance companies or finance rules that spread tbtf disease'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why did Romney pick Paul Ryan as a running mate? It's like he was TRYING to sabotage himself a la McCain-Palin.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should've hired Ron Paul as the candidate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm also not sure who could sabotage McCain better than he and his campaign did during the last two months before the election :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it is, were I American, i'd be voting for Gary Johnson, even if I don't agree with his taxation strategy'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney's doing a pretty good job at sabotaging his own campaign currently.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're both going for broke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone is going for broke because they know they will be'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none can make pledges because they know they can't keep any'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'running mates are chosen to galvanize the base... and so are always super extreme politically ( e.g. Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin , Dick Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Uncle Ben can!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '538 says Obama's got a healthy lead. So we're safe.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Bernanke for president and fed chair!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'safe my arse, you're screwed no matter who gets in'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Saric, Palin made no sense then and she still makes no sense. Neither does Paul Ryan.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney and Ryan disagree on so many policy issues!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's been a while since I heard Biden make sense too :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'independants are either going to be a surprise rush (with the resultant post-jerkoff tsunami of shame that ensures they never get back into power for a while) or won't matter.  Might as well not vote at all if you vote I.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden's classic'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ryan even had to explain in at least one interview how he's the VP, so he has to cave to Romney whenever they disagree.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He basically said "I'm just his 'Yes-man'."'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Independants need GJ's legal challenge of the Presidential Debate Commission to succeed'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Palin was a total buffoon, but she was super conservative and thus got a lot of far right-wing support (what we now call the tea party)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that happens, there's a chance you might start getting third party influence over the coming elections'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Don't most people believe (a) that their candidate won the debate or (b) whoever msm says won the debate won the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'where most >= 80%'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debates are powerful, even crap scripted ones like you have'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dunno, I don't bother paying attention to politics until the one day it actually counts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It counts every day...get involved in more than just votes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you look into it, you see that the debates are sewn up to ensure only those two parties ever get a chance to be in them, and so scrutinised and scripted that nobody can actually question the other, or even do anything without prior agreement'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how during the VP debates, I had live reactions here on debate, calling Sarah Palin an idiot, accusing her of not answering any questions wiht anything but non-answers and 180:ing back to her unrelated talking points, etc. and some fucktards told me to shut up and how she was winning the debate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good times. Good times.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the fate of any third party in the U.S. is to either a) disperse into nothingness or b) get absorbed by another party (if they're lucky). This will be true as long as we maintain our current voting system'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Saric.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by voting third party, you will get them funding'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK does voting Third Party get them funding (directly)?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd rather throw away my vote for a third party, then throw away my vote for someone I don't believe in'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the federal matched funding system'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they get funding based on how their vote went'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Taokan.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The lesser evil is still evil'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an awesome point of view, Taoken'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'but it is also lesser'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'FPTP electoral systems are 2 party ONLY, there is NO other way for that system to work.  Which is why your 'Founding Fathers', which you all seem to worship for whatever reason, stated parties in politics would fuck it all up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame so many other people, both American and British are such pussies that they won't do that'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were right, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'FPTP is garbage. There are so many better voting systems =|'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why I said you might as well not vote.  IF by some miracle they get elected (Jesse Ventura for Guvneh!), everyone realized just how retarded they are and R/D win next cycle.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to be fair, parties to destroy the system quite as much as money (corporations, lobbyists, unions, random pressure groups) do'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'eep, don't destroy etc..'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ignore Hanslanda :-0 vote 3rd party'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gary Johnsone won governer in NM in a predominantly Democrat state as an independant'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won a second term with a larger majority'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in both GJ and JV's cases, being able to be part of the debates was key'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so vote Romney if you want to go to war, and become bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote Obama if you want to become bankrupt, become communist, and probably go to war anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tbh I would LOVE it for Romney to win, just so things over there might hit some critical point to get the slacktivists off their collective arses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there it is again. The old Obama is a Communist schtick.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he is'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'flawless logic'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly. Obama is a COmmunist because Tigernuts said so!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Obama is RIDICULOUSLY right wing, but jaded McCarthyists who see anything left of centre as 100% commie are too blind, stupid and unwilling to see otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, because Obama said so.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his childhood was spent among people high up in the communist movement, the people he sought out in college likewise, and he is administering and centralising government full of stasi-style organisations'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Hanslanda. Obama never said that he was Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You've been watching too much Faux Noise.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AND he believes in global wealth redistribution'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You want left of centre, try the French Socialists.  They are *slightly* left of centre.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He never said that either, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did so'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I want the full quote, not words snipped out of context.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he really did.  He did not use the word "communist", but he outlined the entire strategy.  He also said in 2008 that he was going to bankrupt the coal industry.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'wow, I don't believe that. Quotes please'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, Hanslanda, that means he's a Communist. Bankrupting coal industry? Communist!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '"I...want...money...to...be...redistributed...worldwide" [quote compiled over 2 years]'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Flawless shitty logic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'was this before or after performing satanic rituals?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, no, this was before sealing his college records and spending millions on hiding who he really is (actual qutoe from some nutbag on this channel, possibly TigerNUTS from two days ago).'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why aren't those records public anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they aren't by fucking law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Vakieh's comment is hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you having difficulty coming to grips with?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'College admissions records are sealed for EVERYBODY by law.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm having difficulty coming to grips with your complete lack of quotes to support your BULLSHIT arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It took me some years to realize that there is a good reason to publish every piece of dirt on presidential candidates: you eliminate the possibility of blackmail'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many times did Obama release his birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some overzealous IRS lawyer should just hack into the IRS computers and publish Romney's tax records.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a good reason to hold back your tax returns, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that resolved exactly zero doubts for the nutcases who weren't going to believe him anyways and still don't'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he still hasn't, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or someone should just doctor up some legit-looking ones that shows Romney only paid 9% in taxes or some shit. Romney would be unable to refute them without releasing his actual records.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'zero times, since apparently it doesn't exist, but the hawaii people released a computerized version'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that it really matters'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really? You don't remember Donald Trump getting egg on his face'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I have to find a link for you? the long form that is'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At least the original one seems to have vanished. However, for the US of all places to have a rule saying you must be born there or whatever to be presiden is just fail.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean the fraudulent one they created to post on the whitehouse website?:-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Donald Trump is an arse'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they also used the time machine from MIB 3 to go back and have the newspapers publish his birth in the paper right ? :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he needs his wig executing'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See why I'm completely exasperated by TigerNUTS? He throws out outrageous arguments and accusations on a daily basis while refusing to back them up. It takes close to an hour to get him to produce sources and when he does, they don't actually prove much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Didn't the Romney campaign just release a bunch of tax return info showing that Romney pays normal amounts of tax for his type of income?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the issue, Twyst, the certificate he released was fake'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Proof, please.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they'd lost it, or it couldn't be found, they should have just said so'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Twyst, you underestimate the cunningness of Kenyan Communists. His parents CLEARLY planned for him to become President of the USA one day and DOCTORED that announcement!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obviously you can still claim that (a) the tax system should be changed or (b) Romney should voluntarily have paid extra taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tinada. Not at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney paid all the taxes he was required to'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't enough, then it's a problem with the system, not with Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We don't know that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The point is Mittens stated that (a) was false, such that (b) was not required.  Which as we all know is bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We know he did that for 2011 and POSSIBLY for 2010.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and so many democrats regularly didn't.  Weird.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not for any of the other years.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure Romney would publish his full tax returns for other years if Obama published his birth certificate and college records'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wow'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I doubt that, Tigger.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since neither are going to happen, you might as well choose something more productive to talk about'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wait, gonna go with Tiggr'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mittens said that if he ever paid MORE than he needed to in taxes, he'd be unqualified for the position of POTUS, yet his 2011 tax returns shows that he DELIBERATELY didn't deduct as much as he could from his taxes in order to actually pay that 14% he so proudly claims to have always paid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't have to provide more than 2 years anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like voting for Gary Johnson :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, according to Mitt Romney himself, he is unfit for the position of POTUS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Reuters at least wrote that he was slightly under 15%, as expected for someone who has income from capital rather than work'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It will never be fucking enough for you Birthers. Even IF he publishes those things, you'll just go after his elementary school records or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax system is written by people like Obama and Romney so that they and their corporate chums/partners/puppetmasters don't have to pay any'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pay very little'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It will all be either forgeries of they faked the information on the various records.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no President in the history of this country has had to provide his birth certificate besides Obama'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except Obama wants to change the system. The Republicans just d'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-usa-campaign-romney-taxes-idUSBRE88K11Y20120922'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?  Are you going to (as a party) admit you were out of line asking for 2.5 times the required tax releases?  Not likely.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'most candidates for the past 30 years have shown multiple years of tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except Obama wants to change the system. The Republicans just won't let him. So SHUT UP, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does not want to change the system'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm sorry, but I feel I should know what the POTUS did during his formative, preschool years.  WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE FINGER PAINTING, HUH??? WHEN?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERY single candidate for the past 30 years have released, like, 10 years of tax returns.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama wants to change what system?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney's campaign DEMANDED all vice presidential candidates to provide them with 10 years worth of tax returns!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The tax system, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mitt gave Mccain 27 years of tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'McCain selected Palin :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And McCain selected Palin over Mitt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That should tell you something's seriously fucking wrong with his tax returns.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'd be more worried that Romney is a warmongering Jewish-boot-licker that wants to turn the middle east into a glssy plain, not that he minimised his taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '2008 had that big upswell of "pussy = votes", though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Reuters seems to believe Romney just published info for the past 20-some years. At any rate the taxes paid don't tell us much about Romney, just about shortcomings of the US tax code'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mittens has been campaigning to be POTUS for the better part of, what, 1.5 decades? Yet McCain chose a no-named airhead from Alaska before him!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems like a bit of a strange choice of priorities to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada: Sources for Reuters believing this?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am comforted by the fact you almost never beat a sitting president.  So Mittens is like the 'have at it, tiger' for the GOP...hopefully.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the Tax returns are just one issue that exemplify the kind of person Mitt Romney is'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada, there's a popular theory that Romney cheated on his taxes and took the immunity deal the government gave to tax cheaters a few years back.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you can try reading the linked article and related ones, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and bashing the policy towards Israel is a great way to NOT be elected in America'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's pretty much the only reason I can think of him being so vehemently against releasing his tax records.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty fucked up in itself, Twyst, Jews are what, 2% of your population?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Florida'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me how the fuck that works, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU read that fucking article, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Given Romney's access to top tax lawyers, it's reasonable to assume he could pay near-zero taxes if he wanted to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is what it fucking says: "A letter from his accountants saying he paid an effective federal tax rate of at least 13.6 percent annually over 20 years"'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'could be there were other reasons, but the fact his dangly bits were between his legs instead of in his shirt was working against Mitt when McCain's campaign was thinking their best chance to win/increase votes was to get a woman involved.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A fucking LETTER from HIS ACCOUNTANT'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's old news. And it in no way proves ANYTHING.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I assume it's no worse than a made up electronic version of a birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure. Get caught in a BLATANT LIE. Shrug. Typical.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, you're another Birther. That explains a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry Yuna, that doesn't prove anything, yet a minute ago you were shrieking like a banshee because we doubted Obama's fake birth record?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hypocrite?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his accountant claiming that he paid the taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's an idea: Move. Leave the U.S. if you hate the Communist Kenyan Muslim so much.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is hearsay'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hyp-o-crite!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna - funny story is Tiggr lives in the UK :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the birth certificate is evidence, actual physical evidence'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cackle'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you read some lines up, will find me commenting that having a birth rule at all is wrong, so I must be a pretty weird kind of "birther".'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know that. I wasn't atlking to him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think Obama doctored his birth certificate, which means you in turn believe him to not be a natural born citizen of the U.S., which makes you a birther.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, Yuna-logic coming'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that illogical'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I usually have to take care not to confuse Tinada and Tigernuts when they speak on Debate because their names both start with Ti. I guess I can stop doing that seeing as how they're both loons.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if Tinada weighs the same as a duck....'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '....she's made of wood....'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying that if you believe in Jesus Christ, adhere to the Christian faith and go to Church, you're not necessarily a Christian. Yeah... sure...'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'how about this.... despite hundreds of thousands of people trying (for god knows what reason)... nobody can prove that Obama's birth certificate is fake? That's the point when you should be wondering why people are trying to prove it fake in the first place? It's not like any other president has had their freaking birth certificate, of all things, challenged...'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think Obama doctored his birth certificate. I think that since so far, the guys in Hawaii have not managed to release anything but a computerized record, which I'm pretty certain didn't exist 50 years ago, the original birth certificate has gone missing. As far as I am concerned, Obama was born on whatever Hawaiian hospital the released versions refer to.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Now, I might not be a birth certificate expert, but I'm fairly certain Kenyan birth certificates look a LITTLE different to US ones.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ann fucking Coulter said that Obama's a genuine citizen and called the Birhterws crazy. Ann fucking Coulter.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Game.Set.Match.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You said he doctored his electronic birth certificate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And, if anyone has not understood that yet, I don't care where he was born.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I assume it's no worse than a made up electronic version of a birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure Barack didn't sit down in his office with photoshop'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, at his level, he's got way better tools.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know why the certificate released was electronic? Because that's how ALL birth certificates are stored in Hawaii nowadays, even the ones from before they introduced electronic birth certificates.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I said the census/whoever people in Hawaii, who produced that thingy, made/released an electronic version, not some 1961 original.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Tinada said, far more likely the original coulnd't be found, so trying to avoid a possible scandal they got someone to fabricate one electronically'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why fake one, when you can just have a new one printed up and then aged?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You said it was, and I quote, "a made up" electronic version.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you going to claim that you simply misspoke now?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that some liberal interpretation of the English language makes "made up" not equal "fake"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just done reading my fake copy of "A tale of two cities" on my kindle'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the fuck still has their birth certificate, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because dickens didn't have electronic screens'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, you're nuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So who cares, really?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I do.  Can't do shit without it, because if you don't have it you have to send in for a new one.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty normal to have a birth certificate, since you need it to get a ddriving license or a passport'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you've lost yours, your'e a fucking idiot'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a clumsy one at th at'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can have a birth certificate or other documentation'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I meant made up as opposed to the original paper version, if anyone has seen that, feel free to point me in the right direction. I still don't care where he was born, and neither should us election rules.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure in Sweden we store ours electronically nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I never need anything more than my passport'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I lost it in a fire.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and unlike Obama, I was born outside of the United States so my birth certificate does me no good anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm orf to bed a mo, but i'm so glad Yuna has managed to deflect any form of attention away from Obama's naff record of what he's actually DONE, and instead concentrated on completely non-issues'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like a Democrat at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What has Obama done, then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, YOU weren't the loon to bring up his birth certificate at all, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'birthers have been trying to prove Obama's birth certificate is fake for YEARS, there are 100k's of these people trying to "prove his certificate is fake"... guess what, they haven't! And somehow you think THE MOST LIKELY STORY is that someone fabricated Obama's birth certificate? And they somehow weren't caught despite the efforts of an entire deluded party (up to 1/2 of the population) in America? Do you not realize how utterly insane that sounds?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lesse, NDAA, Drone attack spike, more ill-advised intervention in the middle east, proliferation of the police state and creeping central control'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the   NATIONAL     DEBT'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the national debt is bogus'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I did sort of mean good things, really'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the devaluation of the dollar, the unemployment rate, the massaging of the unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the largest number of people on food stamps in american history'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, it's his fault that he hasn't turned around the economy in 4 yewars.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those things you list don't count as good (and you can't credit Obama with everything)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because clearly, you can just magick away a near-depression era economy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'with active resistance to everything you propose'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'closing guantanemo, pulling out of afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not like the Republicans have steadfastedly filibustered most of his bills, tying his hands.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not because it is good/bad, but because YOU proposed it'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats had full control from 2008 to 2010'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is also true, US problems go back 40 years and remaking the system would realistically take maybe 3 terms'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you FUCKTARD.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You clearly do not understand how the filibuster system works.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you know what a filibuster is right?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ever heard the term super majority?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The democrats NEVER had a filibuster-proof majority these past 4 years!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Closing Gitmo and closing down Afghanistan is still, what, more than a few hundred thousand troops still?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like talking to a toddler.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It's like talking to a crazy cat lady'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have no other theater to just transfer them to, so the likely outcome is more unemployment. :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tigernuts lets actually debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now he's denying uncontroversial facts provable through ACTUAL FUCKING VIDEO of the Republicans filibustering the shit out of bills.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '"full control" is not really much control at all when you consider the oft-used weapon called the "fillibuster"'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ad hominem attacks = no argument'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But no. Obama probably doctored all of those documents and videos.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So we're saying that basically, Obama could have been replaced by McCain, or a toaster,  and nothing significant would have changed since neither side had reliable majorities?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we are saying McCain would have been WORSE'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats likely wouldn't have filibustered the shit out of McCain's policies.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likely, may not'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So McCain would've managed to pass more bills. But he's batshit insane, so the economy likely would've tanked even more.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likely, may have'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tigernuts. We're not PSYCHIC. We cannot know how a McCain presidency would've been.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we would be fighting another pointless war with Iran right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'tinada, only if the democrats make it their #1 priority to stall all progress when in a minority as the republicans have'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're actually attacking us for not being psychic?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'based on comments he has recently made'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's odd, Yuna, because on everything else you demand absolute facts'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'backed up by quotes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, the Poster Child of strawmanning.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And insanity. And ignorance. And redneckness.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seems like some of that birther logic, Yuna.  If they were likely to be that willing to work with the right kind of republican, what the hell happened when they actually had THEIR kind of democrat?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better a redneck than a cunt :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'again, ad hominems'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go get your foodstamps like a good baglady'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who knew not what a filibuster was, yet claimed the Republicans didn't use it and that the Democrats had full control for 2 years should shut the fuck up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame the system'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I'm blaming you for your ignorance and refusal to educate yourself before speaking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'any system can be broken if the participants decide to throw a hissy fit'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that's like saying "Blame the knife".'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as this "debate" clearly illustrates'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because some idiot decided to stab someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That's pretty much how left wing policy works'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right wing politics are sooo great'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess we're lucky Chemosh and that 3rd person whose name starts with an S but whose full name eludes me isn't here.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should run'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Imagine Tigernuts, only 3 of them,.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd vote for you'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All ranting and agreeing with each other.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I call them the Triumvirate of Insanity.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're an excellent example of why Democracy is failing'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please be specific'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because I demand facts, you know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And education.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because if 51% of people are fucktards and decide that the other 49% should be gassed, then to the gas chamber they go'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 66/33 or 75/25 depending on your voting variant'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said you should be gassed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where the Hell did that even come from?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither did i say that you said'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a commentary on the flaws of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see what you are saying Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and that's true'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"you're an excellent example of why Democracy is failing because if 51% of people are fucktards and decide that the other 49% should be gassed, then to the gas chamber they go".'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sur3e. Sure.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'however that is the point of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it isn't failing per se, just failing to do what you want it to'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that's rich coming from Chemosh' best friend, Chemosh, he who claims Hitler didn't really hate the Jews and that the Holocaust is all made up.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why the US is a republic and why you have a constitution'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how is democracy failing then'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems kind of contradictory'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd keep my constitutional monarchy (where the regent has zero power) over the U.S. system of toothless politics and filibusters any day.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because his preferred candidate isn't winning. Democracy only works when he wins.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not defending the UK system, it is flawed in a variety of different ways'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you didn't answer my question'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, the regent doesn't have zero power'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name some political power that the King of Sweden has, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'The holocaust was made up, 9/11 was a conspiracy, and Obama wasn't born in the U.S. . These are called CONSPIRACY THEORIES and are complete garbage. A result of human tendency for confirmation bias run totally wild'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who has no idea what a filibuster is CLEARLY knows ALL there is to know about the Swedish monarchy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no idea about Sweden's King, other than he's probably quite cold'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the question, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why the FUCK did you claim that he has any political power?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: ''debate -h 10' or whatever'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wasn't talking about Sweden, who the fuck cares about them?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but I'll do you the favor and look it up'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I'd keep my constitutional monarchy"'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, let me get this straight.  The two people with the most invested in a debate about who should be elected President of the US aren't actually citizens able to affect the outcome?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in answer Twyst, look at the EU and it's relationship to it's member states'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you even British or has your elementary education so truly failed you to failed to comprehend that when I say "my", I mean "MY, Yuna's, king" and not "YOUR, Tigernuts', king"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I asked how democracy was failing'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't know where you're from, Yuna, assumed it was Singapore, or some other god awful hole like that'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoever gets elected U.S. president ostensibly rules over a country whose political comings and goings will directly over indirectly affect me and my country for the next 4 years.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'xenophobia isn't very attactive mate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU bills are written and submitted by people who are not elected and not accountable, Twyst. 84% of UK bills originate from them'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you never bothered to educate yourself on that befor claiming that the King of whichever country I'm from has political power.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because why should you bother with checking up on facts before throwing out random assertions?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Never stops you, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prove it, Tigernuts. Quote me where I've done that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or just recall instances where I've done that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you always assume you know what the other person's stance is'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's kinda easy when you make your stances so clearly known.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you always assume you know what other people belive in '
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're often wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not really. You're just LYING.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even when you're right about their stance, you fail to understand it, but still claim it's somehow wrong or has no value'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what am I lying about now, oh swedish fruitcake?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Non-Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is your proposal to fix it then Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm SORRY For misinterpreting you claiming that Obama's electronic birth certificate was "made up" as you being a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada tickles Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts sighs.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that's ok, I was probably a bit unclear'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm going to answer that question (Tigernuts') the Tigernuts way: By not acknowledging it at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the document released on the web by the white house has been proven to be counterfeit'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By whom?='
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all other information, see Tinada's summary'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'must have missed the impeachment hearing'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'that's the kind of thing you REALLY need a source for'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By that no-name "private investigator"?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Orly Tates'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who only examined it by looking at the pictures?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'short for Oh really?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, really, Taint?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhiles, Snopes have actually HANDLED the document.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, Snopes are in on the conspiracy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm sure if they were allowed to investigate properly then they'd find out how they went from the original document to a badly doctored Adobe Photoshop document and why'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like he doesn't know what the word "source" means.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Snopes has access to everything.  Nobody is able to do stuff or lock stuff away so that Snopes can't find it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then again, he IS a Birther. Maybe we should treat him like a "special child".'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have Internet, you can look it up as easily as I can'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Snopes is shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the burden of proof is on the opposition to prove him wrong, not on him.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'About as accurate as locked wikipedia entries'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can deny NDAA exists too, if you like'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also Yuna does have a point. I'm Norwegian, but I know far more about US politics, since, well, for practical purposes, US politics affects me more..'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh hey, the NEWEST fringe member of the Insanity Corner (not yet a full member of the Triumvirate, but he's getting there), DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are the Wikipedia of conspiracy theory/paranormal.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess the Triumvirate is about to become a Quartet.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna hasn't quite twigged that when you have fruitloops running America, it affects everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now you're blaming Obama for your blatant insanity?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If conspiracy = "I don't want to believe it", then you're right'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly he's a wizard.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Unfortunately, conspiracy means "to conspire against," which is how the world works'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you know what is funny to me? If Romney could get away with it (assuming he hasn't already) he would pay no taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he bags on people who don't pay income taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does HE, though? I haven't taken a look at the specifics of his tax returns. Did he actually pay income tax in 2011?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anyhew, I believe there'll be a position opening for you at the Whitehouse, Yuna: Master of the Stool'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'before this devolved into a name calling affair what was the debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone with money knows that it's much better to pay less taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's demonstrably false'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how the entire financial sector works.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst: If Yuna is involved, it always descends into name calling'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes are zero in Somalia'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their financial sector is BOOMING'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Twyst.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I consider it stating the facts when I claim that Tigernuts is nuts. After all, he acknowledges it himself with his own username.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Isn't the Somalian "finance" sector mostly "yay, we hijacked an oil tanker and got paid to let it go"? :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fooling no-one, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah I was being sarcastic'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goodnight, and the best of luck to you all!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Insanity has left the room. Well, ONE of them.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saric starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So let's back to some sane and important topics. Haagen-Dazs or Ben & Jerry's?'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'too expensive. Homemade'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'and by homemade I mean go to kroger and buy it'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't eat much ice cream after dropping out of the conventional high carb diet earlier this year'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I saw one of Ben & Jerry's shakes had 2100 calories in it... almost died right there'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh. I'm one of those annoying Asians who never gain weight. I'm 5"6' and weigh 114 lbs.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I eat all the time. I prefer Haagen-Dazs. Because I love their macadamia ice cream. The chocolate covered B&J's one just doesn't do it for me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't really have any weight to lose, and since I was fit/healthy already, I didn't expect noticeable health benefits from halving carb intake and dropping sugar/grains.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was pleasantly surprised.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'go raw'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Nod Tinada.. Low carb == beast mode.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'damn if I can remember the name, but there's some premium brand going around now that's like half the cost of those with much fancier flavors.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really embarasses the crap out of Daas, too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the Hell is Hotmail advertising Zoosk?!'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like spam, only I have no choice but to at least gleam it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda appropriate, given all the hotmail porn addresses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'this needs to be discussed, Alex Jones -------->  http://youtu.be/Q1duQwVnW6A'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is there a *text synopsis* for those without youtube access'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Any Bard members on debate? It's going to take an artist to summarize that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a book with a lot of youtube link-references is going to be a failure '
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's Alex Jones ranting about evil cops in black uniforms with moustaches harassing and staring at people and how they want us to worship them, but they are weak and they are scum ugh I just...ugh they're SCUM!'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'imagine reading a newspaper where the news was mostly links to youtube and facebook -- that newspaper is goiung to go chap[ter 11 or bankrupt fast'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'youtube references are like undigested analogies'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://youtu.be/rI63qnjXByE <--------everything in this one is the TRUTH!'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you are not going to trick the wary into watching something obscene or illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its similar to the first one I put up, if there is obscene stuff you should report me'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not going to bother to look at youtube crap with or without a text synopsis of what is seen/heard there -- reading text is far safer than watching/hearing graphic raw material'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'most youtube crap is tmi crap'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well why complain about it just don't say shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's what he does ... complains about the most ridiculous things :p'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'looking at, translating, and processing, a lot of internet-link-references (is like work) is similar to reading incoherent Chemosh babbling something -- i no longer bother to attempt to decipher Chemosh babblings at the first or second indication of incoherence and or obfuscation'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What you just posted has deeply hurt our brains more than any video I have ever posted ever.'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps you are degenerating into mental-laziness by posting youtube-references, and are unable to translate each youtube reference into a cogent coherent concise synopsis'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They were funny youtube videos based around putting a conspiracy guy's rants to a beat. Way to go Zela you are the Buzz Killington of aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but is watching the youtube of Alex Jones to a musical beat educational, or at least eye-candy (aka: is Alex Jones handsome) '
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'anyone here ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Kirchner still not happy that IMF won't let her manipulate economic data, I see'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'member of the Washing Institute for Near Eat Policy (WINEP) openly calls for a false flag attack to allow USA to attack Iran in a televised press conference'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfoaLbbAix0&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sure they said 4th grade?'
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'For fucks sake.. Why my city gotta have clown shit in it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Gotta ton of lies on that nobody seriously believes that has any good g'damn sense..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I feel like every damn street fight I had was for fuckin nuffin..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'this why it don't really get much respect from other cities..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'My stepfather once spoke out on my behalf.. & He knew things was rough & left soon after.. Overwhelmin force is sumtin else when someone is jealous of ya rep.. Seriously'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I have already cut ties wif certain friends because they now act as if they wanna play along wif the lie..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'My whole life I had it tough.. I wasn't born wit the silver-spoon shit.. Not even too mad about that but shit. My resume won't work to get work now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'dig what I'm sayin?! This shit is big because my say real.. I mean no offense to others out there & Not even sayin you don't hold your own when ya gotta.. But I'm in the middle of some of the stupidest craziest shit I have ever had to come face2face with.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are on a computer, connected to the internet, playing a game which streams text at you. I somehow doubt you are as 'ghetto' as you are intimating.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'they even tried to place religious orientation like they know me & I spoke the same thing I always spoke for years.. No I dun totally believe in jesus like that But I do take their word for it on some notes..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'too bad the pictures aren't on the site.. Want my youtube?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'this shit is very serious.. You read my say wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You mean you post to youtube, not world star hip hop? Another point against your 'ghetto' 'cred''
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's not serious. cancer is fucking serious'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'world star... Oh I seen girls dancin on graves with that.. IT's always catchin "Clown activity"'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And serious doesn't like it at ALL.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't even understand what the topic is'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'True thugs do not beg for attention like that...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'we tell it how it iz just like on the westcoast'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know what he's sayin' if you know what i'm sayin''
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bigman, you are high. Either smoke more so you can't type, or stop smoking.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'drugs are bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck you, drugs are awesome'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Now if I say I'm in the middle of some crazy shit.. I don't care if you could care less "Just say ya don't care" but Dissin the say gets ya nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no!!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's the people who suck. the drugs are not to be blamed for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually drugs are awesome for some people, and some people shouldn't be allowed witin a 100 yards of them'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'understand?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My double exp sound trigger is Homer's "Mmm yeah Drugs, you gotta have drugs"'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I live with folk that'll start trouble.. Record ya fam fight & try to ruin ya.. That's what I'm livin through right now..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are some exceptions tho. shit like fentanyl or crack aren't awesome'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how old are you? 16?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I had to educate myself through it all'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Rocko's Thug Life. Represent. :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'so I'm stating this just incase they end up closing the street up again to end up fightin me again...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'joke if you will but just like that "F.E.M.A" shit when the katrina disaster struck.. This iz REAL shit'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://bit.ly/S1h4Ea'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'when cops don't come to help out.. You'll realize you can't joke so easily all the time...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can you please explain the fuck you're talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Hood problems with clowns who have backup...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'now put that to layman's terms'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why not just move somewhere quieter?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'aight.. I'm done.. That's all I wanted to say so if play magically stops for some reason & my play ain't the same.. Ya know I couldn't call cops ahead of time at least..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I just said the resume won't work not too long ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'the job lottery hasn't even picked me..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'afk'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ghetto (which he doesn't live in) is having problems with overly exuberant gang members (which he has never seen) with lots of gang member friends (which he also hasn't seen)'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Dude I live In philadelphia'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: '& I been to new york.. New Jersey & even other parts of the US'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'don't be so oblivious'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'we don't need gangs here'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'eureka and abe live in philly. i bet they're thugs as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'you can just get set up & fucked up like in a 12 century witch hunt..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'here'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'if caught at the right time'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I asked abe what he thinks'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: '& he mentions nuffin to me'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'so they kinda caught wind of what's goin on'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet he's outside menacing the hood'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'did you just type out 'nuffin'?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'No.. they probably realize that playin the low-porfile is safer durin some moments'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'people in my city act even stupider than you do here with your description'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Last I heard, all the big gangs were sniffing out trash talkers on muds, and HOLY SHIT you don't want them hearing you badmouth them on public channels.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'you don't see that as danger if help was needed?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'still on the gang thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'what are you in a trance or sumtin?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'read what I fuckin sed!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If a lot of people hang around making trouble, they are a gang.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'no.. They are "Assumed" to be "Sometimes"'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, because a bunch of people hanging around making trouble is the definition of a gang.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'c'mon man.. Wake up & recognize grey areas in life dawg..'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'well then you know what that is? a "Biased" view'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If a cat is a 4 legged feline animal, just because it might have different coloured fur than the last cat I saw, doesn't mean this thing isn't a cat.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is no grey area.  People in a group, going around making trouble, are a gang.  Because the name for a bunch of people going around making trouble is...drumroll...A MOTHERFUCKING GANG.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Yeah well.. If you can't just see a group of people as just a school let-out or sumtin then that's a serious problem'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'it might even be a work force from a yard...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then what's a mob?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'More people than a gang.  A collection of gangs, as it were.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I'm not even gonna continue arguin.. I just had to tell a asshat outside I'm not jokin.. Afk'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oo'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i still don't know what he was sayin' if you know what i'm sayin''
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to quote Butters, 'Yes, I now what you are saying.''
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I live in the hood'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Charles Manson is amazing http://youtu.be/2UGmmoSJkbI'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, women charged with 'felony vandalism' for writing on a sidewalk in chalk'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, no at ladies screeching on the channel tonight?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You know, Romney may not have said it so eloquently, but he was right to a degree. This viral video with the lady voting for Obama because she was given a free cell phone confirms it. Really sad that people died in wars to secure freedom that can be bought with a cell phone.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people are bought off, the country will be ruiend'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ruined*'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it happened here a decade ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(UK)'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit, nearly 2 decades ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Romney didn't give me a cellphone'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a process that started after th war'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but his empployers will steal all your land'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as will obama's'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be a difference though'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the fact that people are voting based on bribes is pretty lousy, but I don't think that the majority of the people are receiving bribes to make a vote'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its really sad. I'm a singin, "bye bye ms. American Pie.. drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry.."'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still concerned that they are charging people with felony vandalism for writing on a sidewalk in chalk'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats... kinda a slippery slope'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw some seriously odd interpretations of stats today'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i might be tempted to stick a tenner on Romney just purely because of the decent odds'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get 15/4 on Romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '?? his odds are much worse now than they were a few weeks ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, i doubt that, nothing has really changed'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'intrade odds after the RNC was 55 obama / 45 romney, now they are 76 obama / 24 romney'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'http://www.realclearpolitics.com'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately for their supporters, it's complicated'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Better vote for Obama, then, must support the winning team!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its far from "over", we haven't even had the debates. Still, videos like this one are dangerous.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately for everyone, you're screwed whoever wins'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and I hear Obama said 4 years is not enough to change anything/you can't change Washington from the inside, but at least he's still got the "hope" part'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, whose friends get to decide the debate format and questions, then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And whose friends will report on the debates?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the election will be crap unless Johnson can debate with them'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd rip them apart'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama's foreign policy numbers are imploding. I think he finally looked at them and decided to call Netanyahu.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama's numbers are good among the black, the poor, and single parents'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And the free celphone crowd!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'romney's numbers are good among white men, married people, middle class workers, vets and the elderly'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And the not-free cellphone crowd!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think at the core of commentators who still say he has a chance are to do with comparative turnout in different groups of supporters in different states'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are, Obama's supporter turnout will be lower than 2008'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I agree with that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Poor Obama seems like a fish on land when he's left without a teleprompter, facing unprepared questions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see him on telly saying he's export jobs?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'However, I bet the debate format will be quite restricted, with 2nd rate questions and a lack of lengthy exchanges between the candidates.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be a debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Whoever turns out more, will win. Polls are too close everywhere to say otherwise. I've got my absentee ballot today.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know how those debates are run, the questions are scripted, the answers are scripted'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like Romney to win just to see Yuna's face'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's worth glassing the middle east just for that'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'we talking abour elections again?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): StinkPit stops paying attention
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is sort of hard to say, I expect Romney will be slightly less harmful for the US economy'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't bring it up!'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it doesn't really matter if Romney wins'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well ok, it does, we could end up in more wars'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think those wars are goign to happen anyways, thanks to the O-man.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but on most of the big issues the Dems would just block everything major from happening at the Senate level anyways'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Netanyahu looked as serious as a heart attack at the UNGA today'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war then collapse, or police state and end of the republic then collapse'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Air strikes at a minimum are probably going to happen. I wonder what intrade has on that. :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you do that, i pray Russia nukes the shit out of you'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really do'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least all your middle east assets'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'all I know is the Dow Jones is rocking about 13.5k, and has no business there.  Unemployement still sucks, our growth still sucks, our debt and deficit still sucks, and our world political landscape still sucks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think Iran's leaders with a nuke will be far worse than squabbling over air strikes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sitting in bonds, waiting for cheap stock'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Seems like most Israelis, the IDF and assorted security thingies don't want an attack on Iran. Netanyahu always seemed to me to resemble Ahmadinejad in leaning toward an orthodox/messianic approach to politics'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're about as likely to get a nuke as Iraq'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know how that ends'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My bet is still on another attempted revolution in Iran after Syria is settled'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, no one can really tell how close they are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even if they got one, so what? why should Israel and Pakistan be allowed nukes and Iran not?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its not the people, its the leaders that I have a problem with having a nuke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and at the end of it all, USA -----caused------ the current administration in Iran'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they've only got themselves to blame'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Because they might actually use it...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Iran is a "rogue state" '
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'olawdy'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who have Iran attacked?'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'american propoganda at its finest'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the US is one up on Iran in the countries nuked tally...'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iran supports dubious groups which create trouble in nearby countries, that makes them rogue/eeeeefil'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Tinada, a bit like USA'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'lolololol'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yep. that is the trouble US created at first'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Civilized nations would neeeeever do that kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'they were doing just fine a long time ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'we wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you need a libertarian, pull out of the middle east and leave wellll alone'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: '??'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: ''50 i think'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It was done twice, and when we saw the results, it should never be done again.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll save you a fucking fortune'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Everyone always loses in a nuclear war.'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except for the cockroaches'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'not the roaches'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at StinkPit.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'lol hivemind'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA only wants to off Iran because 120 years ago they picked sides and chose the Sunni's'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ_HaA2GHvg'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had we stayed out of the middle east, chances are they'd have westernised by nwo'
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still can't believe that Middle East Think Tank guy went on live television saying that America should perform a false flag attack to excuse attacking Iran'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the lunatics have taken over the asylumn, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like the republicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or Aipac'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno what his political affiliation is, but it's an NGO, and he apparently has worked for global banks before'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats really typical bullshit ugh. It'll go unoticed by most'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unnoticed? this is the sort of person that drives policy'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and the institute are refusing interview requests on the grounds that he'd be crucified'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, "TSA Goon caught stealing iPad from traveller at airport.... blames his wife"'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Is that the one where they rigged it with an alarm and turned it on from his porch when he denied having it?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically, there is a "where is my iPad" service available for gps equipped apple products'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for proof against theft/loss'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they do hire TSA workers these days contingent upon low IQ'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some airport TSA offices even deliberately hire ex-criminals'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not always a bad idea. a pub i used to work at hired convicted criminals (thieves, etc) as bouncers/security guards'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all pickpockets were spotted in 3 seconds and beaten to a pulp'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, but they've been hiring paedophiles'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perverts, and others'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perverts, and others'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'For those of you who dont know your history(well, most of you really), Afrikaner = South African whites, primarily of dutch, german and french heritage:'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Afrikaner farm owners are being murdered at a rate four times the murder rate of other South Africans, including Black farm owners. Their families are also subjected to extremely high crime rates, including murder, rape, mutilation and torture of the victims. South African police fail to investigate or solve many of these murders, which are carried out by organized gangs, often armed with weapons that police have previously confiscated. The racial character of the killing is covered up by a SA government order prohibiting police from reporting murders by race. Instead the crisis is denied and the murders are dismissed as ordinary crime, ignoring the frequent mutilation of the victims bodies, a sure sign that these are hate crimes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a hate crime, (often not a crime at all) when the agenda behind it is in keeping with the UN/Globalist agenda'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(apparently)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats what I thought too. That was a copypasta from a ling'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '"link" http://violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/genocide-watch-returns-south-africa-to-level-6/'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt Yuna and Sonshi would love it because it's white supremacists and invaders being killed'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of their farms should be owned by the state'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the benefit of a few political elite'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay I was hoping you were being sarcastic'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's sad, but SA has been disintegrating under ANC.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Smart/educated young people emigrating doesn't leave much hope for improvement during the next generation either'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'SA had a honeymoon period under Mandela, but it is a sizzlepot of bullshit just waiting to explode'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sattire, really'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taking the piss out of/selective exageration of reality. Humour is the only way to treat it, otherwise it would be depressing'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Look at its neighbours - you can't expect to have a decent 'bastion of civility' in the midst of so much poverty and cultural disarray.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Vakieh, so that's why collectively the west continues to plunder the continent to keep them poor'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't build Africa up, it'd be morally repugnant not to have them all starvign to death and shooting each other'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure China is doing most of the plundering Africa-wise'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China among others'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Realistically, it's more a case of the national elites plundering the country in order to stay rich'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China were just the last superpower to get in on the act'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'with western corporations tagging along to get free loot'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just Empirism without the direct rule'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about 60 years ago they twigged that they could abuse the countries and extract all the material wealth without having to deal with the bullshit of actually governing them'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The West have learned Africa is not worth it, from a profit point of view.  China is able to get away with a WHOLE bunch more domestically, so they can still do the banana republic profiteering on resources, where a western government doing the same would cause local uproar'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who owns the mines, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'China, mostly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Almost all African countries could stop the "plundering" quickly if the country's ruling class wanted it to stop '
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, when China goes in they aren't adverse to using lube, being money in official's pockets.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless something has changed radically in the last few years, Vakieh, that's not a fair representation'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was still mostly western corporations owning most of the mines'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though admittedly China has been expanding their hugely, and into areas like farming particularly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, western investment in 'investor beneficial' industry in Africa has steadily fallen for years, where China has increased drastically.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because China twigged something that many governments haven't - Food is a commodity, and it's going to fly up in value'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, that sounds reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'underlying principle remains though - Africa is not run for the benefit of Africans'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the SA miners strike is case and point'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Talking copper as the biggest headliner, though coal, iron, other resources.  China can afford the nasty looking pictures of child minors, etc. bc their country is under lock and key - a Western government couldn't absorb that bad press'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meanwhile, Western investment in Africa has changed to 'hey here is some money' press opportunites, and private charitable 'seed charity', wherein you increase local industry like textiles, etc to boost local markets to (hopefully) become self sustaining'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Simply because it is easier by far to get your resources from ANYWHERE but Africa.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'AHem Libya'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When people say Africa in a 'shits going down' sense, they mean subsaharan'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Kadafi was trying to build up Africa, oddly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't getting too far, but that was his intent'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Morocco, Algeria through Egypt, they are more readily considered an extension of the Middle East, primarily due to Ottomon homogeony'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ottoman*'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He was...he was far from being a "bad guy" like the US media made him out to be'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with Assad, he's not his father'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The tipping point for the West writing Africa off as a lost cause was when Rwanda and Somalia happened so close together.  Nobody wanted to set foot there again.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In a global sense...The UN sicked the US (the UN's pitbull) on him because of his nations soverignty'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed sovereignty! look at the EU!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Qadafi was a terrible person, he wanted to raise Africa up not for his citizenry, but for himself.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You don't see that sort of public hate underneath you for nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? did he have gigantic personal wealth?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'did you know the lengths gaddafi went for his people? Socialist style sure but...damn'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He did'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'multi billionaire'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, don't remember seeing him on rich lists'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And the ignorance when you say the US was the front runner in Libya's downfall is quite simply hilarious - it was FAR more UK/France/Germany.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah who said that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said the US was sicked on them'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nato was sicked on them'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, he declared most of it as 'Libyan wealth', however that wealth took the form of private jets, yachts, and the like.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but Nato is a proxy for the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah he lived like a king. Most kings do'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's pretty ordinary for a dictator, it's little different to any other major corporation head'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or king)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, you only asked if he was rich'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That actually has nothing to do with the way he subjugated his people'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But Saddam built castles on the fuckin sand and let his people suck a big dick'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody ever said he didn't subjugate his people'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Gadaffi as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'K'daffi was no Saddam by far'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'BY FAR'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did, but many countries do'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Saddam was WONDERFUL to any citizen who happened to be born to the right race and religion.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But holy shit, if you spoke out of turn, or were a Kurd...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'wonderful is a bit much'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He didnt spend billions on bringing irrigation to his peoples crops'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether it's one person acting as a dictator over a country, or a ruling group acting over a corrupt or broken parliamentary system, or you're an oligarch abusing the power of monopoly or market position'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same shit, just different label, different paint on the walls, slightly different circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bear in mind Iraq lived for 2 decades under first war, then crippling sanctions.  Nothing's going to be peaches and cream during that'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Qadafi and Saddam both had their bullshit, though Qadafi never gassed villages, I'll give him that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Saddam never shared ALL of Libya's oil profits with his people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Qadafi gave oil money to citizens? Doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's true Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's the fault, Vakieh, you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's a bad mis-apprehension on the part of the people here'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's NEVER corrected by the media'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even Iran subsidises food significantly using oil money'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Saudi Arabia, and most other of the dictator states in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah its the oil for food program'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'extortion by the West'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have 'welfare' in the US and UK and the west, but that's robbing the people to give to other people'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who's worse?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'K'daffi was going to try to unite Africa under the gold Dinar currency and he had to be brought down because of fiat money profits. Bottom lone'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'justify!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'bottom line'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'robbing is a harsh term'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one starved because they had to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'there was nothing just about it and that one left a really bad taste in my mouth'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax collection is legalised robbery by the state'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Reading some google, all I can find on the oil money being given to citizens is it was complete and utter bullshit said by Qadafi's regime with no actual money being given'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Until I see a reputable link, I'm calling that bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its inherent though'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone's channeling Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'rofl, because I disagree with you?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes are a fraction of your earnings, not neglible but a small fraction'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at spain, taxes and austerity is causing poverty, poverty is causing people to need to hunt around in trash cans for food'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A -> B -> C'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes and austerity are at odds'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'austerity is put in place when countries don't want to raise taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ahhhhhhhh - in 2008, Qadafi said he wanted to, and put in legislation for the money to be given to the citizens.  End 2009, the legislation is held up by the Libyan parliament/congress.  By the time the Arab Spring rolled in, the legislation was forgotten, never passed.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's why republicans argue for cutting back social spending programs like medicare and social security'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they don't have to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I haven't been following the whole thing... but the Libyan government did (kinda-sorta) share the oil wealth with it's people by subsidizing bread prices and other essentials.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kinda funky, given Qadafi had 100% power over the parliament.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/10/libya-mixed-reactions-towards-bread-prices-double-raise.html'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's the link vakieh wanted'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ahhh Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Social security/medicare/medicaid will have to be cut significantly unless some new supertech kicks long-term economic growth upward'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, it's not exactly "here's your oil money, thanks for being our loyal subjects" ... and it's a far cry from the palatial living of the elite, but they did do a little for the people.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh I checked it your right:('
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was close, but he did WANT to right? what does that say?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the issue i have with that, tryst, is that you're accepting only two polarised possibilities'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I see a drop in subsidy.  I see nothing on oil money being given.  It was all a political stunt.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay what options am I missing'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But that's the bullshit Snooky, the man had unlimited domestic power, he could have said 'this is so' and there is would be law'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'By saying 'congress says no', he means 'the congress said what I told them to say, like always''
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, the money they used probably came from oil sales. Where else was the Libyan government generating income?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see the only options as "raise more taxes from the people to give to the poor" or "cut taxes and make everyone starve"'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well thats all politics. Just look at Obama's jobs bill. It was never meant to pass it was meant to make the GOP look like dicks. And the Dems and Reps are there to put on a fake show for us all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever happened to fair taxation across everyone?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what would be fair taxation'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a hundred for me, one for you... to be shared. Another hundred for me, one for you guys...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because Tigernuts, the free market places value based on people.  And people are dumb as shit, more often than not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you're not confusing capitalism with free markets'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are not the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the difference is that the  bill would've been passed if the gop relented'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So taxation needs to be different, because a singer deserves no more money than a farmer, but woah there, BIG difference in pay'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about deserve'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what is unfair about taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Exactly, it is about the value PEOPLE place on goods and services. And like I said, people are dumb'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll speak from the point of view as a UK resident, i can comment on my situation better'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'shoot'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Libyans also got free electricity. And free unemployment if they went to school but could not find a job for what they went to school for'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://painfultruths.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/10/gaddafis-pimps-still-peddling-his-lies.html'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a vast and complicated tax system'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky, you are spouting Qadafi's propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol I was thinking the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's still a drop in the bucket'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media and politicians are obsessed with income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a small part of the tax gamut'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in developed countries, most people can afford electricity easily, in normal times...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the fact of the matter is, most taxes raised are not based on consumption, or ability to pay'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sonshi, it doesn't matter, bc it never happened'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fair taxation would be, in my opinion, an income tax, and a consumption tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we won't get it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, we have that here in Au, being a combination income scaled tax, and a GST'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with a scaled income tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i understand there needs to be tierring... for now'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with having tax-free allowances'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with tax credits'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is wrong with scaled income taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with means testing'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'income tax is scaled with income by definition of it being a %age'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'flat taxes are regressive'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not to be a dick, but where are the sources in that debunking website Vakieh. I'm mad now'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat taxes are not regressive'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is a minimum amount needed to survive'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are just not "progressive" (using the taxation definition of progressive)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '2k out of 20k is alot more damaging than 200k out of 2 million'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Snooky, not finding concise sources is why I didn't paste that to begin with, though there are several newspaper articles if you c&p each point into google'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'flat taxes would either lead people into being taxed to death like you claimed earlier'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or no taxes whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay Vakieh I will totally do that'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you say that, and yet i pay 60% of may wages in taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of all the reasons i've already mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how much do you pay for insurance'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance of what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'twyst - keep in mind that you are arguing with someone who launches personal attacks on people who are not even in the conversation with blatant lies... there's one word I can think of for such people...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're playing straight into that trap of being obsessed with income tax, when it's all the rest that does the damage'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health contributions constitute around 1/3rd of my total tax tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, tiered income tax %s is because income, like most other things based in a capitalist OR free market, are all based on people's value placed on goods and services.  And once again, people are DUMB and cannot be trusted to direct a market.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on top of which medication and private treatement has to be bought'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'private treatment has to be bought?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you can't go to the hospital to treat ailments'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all, no'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay well it is still true that Gaddafi had a Pedophile assassination force'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'For fuck sake, i've been saying this for months, don't you guys get it yet?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't typically listen to debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nor do I keep logs'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NATIONAL HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED BASED ON COST, IDEOLOGY, AND LOBBYIST INTERESTS'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be better than no national health care, but it's NOT A PANACEA'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is it not a panacea'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I get that you have this idea of a perfect free market, which somehow allocates goods and services to where they are needed.  But nobody outside of an eco 101 classroom has ever, or will ever see such a market,.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can you go into complete and utter bankruptcy because you have an illness?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want it treated, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And he had a bodyguard squad of Virgin women! That is just badass. Considering the location and the culture he empowered WOMEN with the honor of protecting him. That is crazy to me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'll take your word for it, but I doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be allowed to descend into poverty due to illness'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'vakieh - you can take steps towards a free market in a number of industries, but you require a lot of govt intervention. Not quite what the common people understands as a free market though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come spend some time in the States '
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that the best counterargument you have?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just don't get cancer or get into a car accident or have a 'pre-existing condition''
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The change to free market needs to be the opposite of what TN seems to want.  THe gov. coming in and forcible anti-trust dismantling big corporations is the only way it all works out.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's where Obamacare is headed, you realise that the shortlist of insurers can exclude pre-existing conditions'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government DOESN'T DO THAT, Vakieh, THEY SHOULD, but they CREATE THE MONOPOLIES'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here in Au, any pre-existing condition can only be excluded for 12 months.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened in the UK with our Water, and Electric, and with Government services, and is happening in the Health Care System'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So TN, you are in support of bigger government?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In the USA, Obamacare will do the same thing for Healthcare industry'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, vakieh... I'm trying not to argue with someone who deliberately tries to draw people not involved in a debate in with insults and lies directed at them...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a supporter of decentralised, smaller government'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obamacare regardless of what people try to say is at its heart a _compromise_'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think it's a lost cause'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be a compromise, but it's not a very good one'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A government which dismantles corporations would need to be pretty damn big'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah you can have some of the pie or none of it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while you can give a lot of benefit of the doubt to people, at some point their nature is clear...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and much like the NHS, my complaint against it is lack of transparency, people are being led to believe it is something that it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dont want Obamacare I havent had insurance my whole life and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years...I feel kind of AIDSy though *cough*'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US health care system is a sick throwback to Post-Great Depression skills shortages, and should never have made it to the state it is in now.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251160/'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Watch that film, and rage.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with regard to healthcare, govt intervention need not be a large burden on the taxpayer. My country's model is heavy on intervention but light on cost'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'largely because it's partly self-funding'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sonshi, the biggest cost to government health care is rural subsidy - your country doesn't have a rural, and is thus not really relevant.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need to have the incentives in the right places, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there is that...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like the UK to investigate alternate models, but it's been built up to be a sacred animal, you can't even criticise the NHS without some left-wing nutjob having a crack at you'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but most developed countries are mostly urban, population wise...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Au is very central, but with something like 10% of the population rural, our gov has to spend 50% of its health care costs on rural subsidy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does urban/rural split have to do with healtcare provision?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... that's certainly a big difference'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doctors don't want to live in the country, and there is a SERIOUS economy of scale with central, urban medical centres.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Town of 10 people, middle of nowhere, still needs a doctor,'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I do wonder about the figures comparing city to city'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you probably have a different idea of rural there than here'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't really have rural anymore'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many people'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the problem with health care is the profit motivation'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and unreasonable life extentsion at the very end'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Don't we now? Pretty sure Au having 22 million where the US over the same land has what, 2-400 mil? we have rural pretty much down.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and both the UK and USA systems are crippled with profit motivation'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of people want that life extension though'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, profit motivation is the hallmark of the free market...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US has the most expensive health care in the world, but it's only on like place 22 in quality iirc.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when public services are abused due to profit, it's the hallmark of capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But mandating healthcare or heck even auto insurance on everyone is bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seriously, people are dumb, and I really, REALLY want a team of scientists with a decent brain in each head to discover some awesome powerful weapon tech and take over the world.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course everyone should have health care available.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why else would we have a society?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way we keep the profit motive in check is with a strong govt health service. When private physicians know that a second opinion is just a $1 train ride away, they'll be careful not to promote uselessly expensive treament'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Rannr, you say society, the rich see 'means to herd the cattle''
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'we had it awesome in Wisconsin forever until they made it a law that you have to have Auto insurance. Good thing I don't have a lisence so any tickets I get just *poof* fuckin disappear. Fuck the system'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone should have access to schools, health care and emergency services. Everything else can be done by commercial actors, but the government should provide the basic services.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'until you cause life and or property damage exceeding your means to pay.....'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not opposed to a govt health service paid for out of taxation, provided it's GOVT run, and is honest and transparent about what it does and does not do, provides those services in an equal and servicable manner, and doesn't then block the services it doesn't provide frmo being accessed independantly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Ranrr let them decide how much toilet paper we have too while were at it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's pretty much bang on how it works in Sweden, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would like to see what a Communist government could do without Capitalist interference.  Sure, every communist regime has failed HARD, but what might they accomplish without having to fend off the US with each step?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's NOT how it works here in the UK, and it's not how it will work in the USA with Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, snooky, that's not part of the list.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Government should not care what we eat, drink, smoke or put in our asses.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you said emergency services, I do not shit until it is an emergency'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our ruling party used to be a communist front!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I meant police, fire fighters and the like.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You should do more than duck sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think in Au we get the better compromise - gov pays for a LOT, but we get the nanny state also'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though tbh, I really don't like tobacco.  Like...REALLY.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nanny state is getting a bit crazy these days'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't smoke, i heavily support people's right to smoke'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as a for instance)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't support communism, i support the right of people to promote it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mostly because the ones smoking now are the ones who are too friggin dumb to realise it kills you - so they are the obnoxious, antisocial ones.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I smoke and I hate it. It poison fuckin smoke and people should quit'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, the direction of travel in our society is the other way'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The other day I was at a bus shelter, in the rain.  Woman with a baby, me, and a man smoking.  Fucking arsehole, if his bus hadn't shown up when it did he would have been a wet arsehole too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So making tobbacco illeagal might be okay as it is just straight up harmful. But we can't trust a goverment with any legislation like that its a slippery slope'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you ask him not to smoke aroudn the baby?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why I actually would support making smoking illegal. Because smokers are assholes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not 100% true'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'non-smokers can be dicks about it as well'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Both the mother and myself asked him to stop.  2 seconds after I asked him, his bus came.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could make smoking illegal in public, enclosed spaces'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't give a toss if people smoke, but I don't want to smell it, and that kids lungs definitely didn't need it.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'TN, it si illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You shouldn't need to ask.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'si = is'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's your beef?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Big sign with the $5000 fine label there also'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he was already breaking the law, why would you need to make a new law?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ranrr, we allready gave you non smokers most of the resteraunt and the WHOLE FUCKING AIRPLANE! What more do you want?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Illegal to sell, he can't get them'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Denis Leary.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be a infringement on civil liberty, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Ranrr person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet, I would be free from smokers.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to make idiots illegal, and television illegal for the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh your reasoning for wanting laws passed is fucked up'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Civil liberty doesn't allow you to do what ever you want.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to make communism illegal'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My (and the baby's) health?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'heh.  No, the government doesn't need to impose a ban on smoking.  We've seen how well that works with alcohol and pot.  But I'd agree smoking in restaurants or waiting areas is kinda being an ass and unfair to the health of others there'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to cover up the inadequacies of the implementation of an existing law that should have protected you by trying to be an arsehole to everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not justifiable'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can't believe it but I'm agreeing with TN'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is justifiable to have little booths, like phone booths, where they can go, smoke, and leave.  The open space is not for smoke.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i'm going to lunch, enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what if there is no one there'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just think smoking should be illegal, since all smokers are assholes. Make them inject liquid tobacco into their veins instead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The US needs to promote Democracy like the USSR promoted Communism. We force Democracy like a big black hard dick. And they offered communism like a fresh virgin 18 year old pussy.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed, smoking when we know what it does makes you an idiot by default.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You were both wrong. I mean are.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same as drinking and eating too much'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but no one is perfect'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vakieh you have never had a beer and a cigarette have you? '
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Both.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Beer because I am Aussie and it is the law, cigarettes because I was to drunk to know what I was doing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I agree with you by the way. But I just don't trust our Gov enough to handle substance legislation correctly'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(you might read up and see I am calling myself an idiot - you would be correct)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'banning smoking is not the way to go about it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'limiting smoking and enforcing it (where it makes sense) is'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'they can ban it from ALL public places'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Don't ban smoking, ban its sale, and regulate where it is done the same as a heroin clinic.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I favour raising taxes on it to match its estimated social cost'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No no no Vakieh just make it so it can only be done in private. Like your own home or a social members only club'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We tried that in Sweden, Sonshi. Doesn't work, just creates a black market.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legalise and regulate the sale of it all, set the taxation at a rate to cover the health cost. make it illegal to use in public and in the presence of minors'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end of'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, my country's also stern enough to deal with smugglers harshly...'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tobbaco is NOT going to disappear anytime soon'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or ever'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It will when the earth itself is swallowed up into a giant butthole'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna will love it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky strikes a victory pose with his group! "Shouri no pouzu... kime!"
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows before Snooky.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks for the debate, and thanks for not descending into shrieking'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ya did good Tigernuts. Ya did good.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'This....... is....... classic.....'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh, you have to watch this'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna needs to watch this'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oooh what is -omg a link!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P36x8rTb3jI'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me that isn't classic :-)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am laughing so fuckin hard Tigernuts!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that could -be- Yna'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What sucks though is Yuna and the others never concede defeat ever they just magically trail off and stop debating'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not going to get into that'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Even I will if I find myself wrong or mistaken. But people don't see that as manning up or being an adult over the internet'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I want a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'GIMEEE!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I allready have one'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I deserve my phone on the account that I exist!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have seen Yuna admit he was wrong or misunderstood something before.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my main complain is his equation of opinion with fact and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a flaw many of us share at times'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I don't like the colour blue". Prove it!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtfbbq?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sodomy abortion bots'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://youtu.be/9Rw1ioJ99vk <-----------According to Chuck Norris & Wife it will be 1000 years of darkness if Obama gets a second term'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if guess if he closes down any more coal plants, he might be right'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'ZING!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I can't wait for rolling blackouts across the country...at least I'll have a free phone tho'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama won't be able to delay energy independence by much more than 4 more years, surely'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'delay?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a free phone with no charge :('
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'stopping drilling, pipelines, whatnot, supporting Solyndra instead :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'western governments are actively undoing energy independance. Obama isn't alone, the UK's energy sector is fucked and nobody seems to care'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all been directed into a stupid fight between pro-wind turbines and anti-wind turbine lobbies'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas in teh meantime, people like me are thinking "Doesn't anyone else see the problem that we're reliant on Russia for our gas and France for our electric?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Russian gas being linked to oil price is brilliant'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least if you are Gazprom'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the Green energy movement is pretty much a sham too.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tigernuts, you got a conspiracy theory for us today?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's agenda 21 at work. What sucks is all these trendy people eat it up and just cant see past lol we are savin trees'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trendy people have this habit of being a bit gullible'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they get into fads and the 'latest thing since sliced bread''
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'a bit? more like most of them do not have the slightest fucking cue'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'clue'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might be intelligent enough to do well in their field, but are often lacking in wisdom to see the bigger picture'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are different types of stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hating on fracking is trendy right now'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know of people who can barely write, would struggle to do complex maths, but in terms of ideas, concepts, and just understanding -things- is sharper than pretty much everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are these people called 'tards' ?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because they sound pretty tarded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He might be talking rainman or forest gump tarded Starling'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well not quite that polarised'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, ATF racially profiling hispanic gun owners'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN mulls global taxes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the UN ought to be disbanded'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't disagree'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially as impotent as it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not impotent'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know how else to describe it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'toothless?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ineffectual?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I could accept toothless'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ain't toothless either, you're thinking about the UN security council which isn't the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not sure ineffectual is condescending enough to describe it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pentagon decalares Julian Assange an 'enemy of the state''
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how you know he was bang to rights'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Juilan Assange deserves the nobel peace prize'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly deserves it more than scumbag obama does'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was a massive fucking joke, that was, giving obama a peace prize'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'i deserve it'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the nobel prize doesnt' mean much, but yeah, that was a joke'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'I saved africa from king kong'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'beautiful!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, you are dead wrong this time'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'doubtful'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'doubt is for pussies!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'or ignorant assholes'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yes but those are not pussies!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'assholes rule'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assholes rule, pussies drool!'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but don't dicks fuck assholes?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'ima stay away from drooling pussies'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'i dont need a disease'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racis'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'lolwut?'
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'lolwut?'
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gratz old bean'
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'am I the old bean :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'Darth Vader vs Adolf Hitler who would win a rap battle'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hitler never sounded like James Earl Jones...'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's hard for imaginary characters to rap. Try hitler vs jesus instead.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although, thinking of it, that may not work either...'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'hitler is jesus getting revenge'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so, after taking some lessons on genocide from his old man.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'nah he schooled his pops'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'Star Trek or Star Wars'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Star Warks.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Babylon 5'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Babylon 5.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... Ranrr: Are you me?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Multiplay, nuke now pls'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'i just think he in your hed'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'same time stamp even'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'Terminator or Materix how is the human race coming to an end'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'someone one too smart for their own good in a lab with good intentions'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'Legand of Zelda or Mario Brothers'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'mario'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'halo or gears of war'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'zelda needed to solve puzzles and use weapons and crap, mario jsut ate mushrooms and breathed fire'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'zelda and halo'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and jumped over stuff :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'sonic or mario'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'big explosinons or plot in a movie which is better'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'New theory: The main difference between how men and women think is that men care about the big things while women care about the small things. Like men care about what you say, women care about how you say it. Am I correct?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... are you implying how you say something is a "small thing" ...? wow.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not saying either of the two is not important.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hell, it was just something I came up with while doing the dishes :D'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The current thinking is men are more attuned to the concrete, where women are more attuned to the abstract'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah.... I wouldn't call how something is said small at all. I'd say its probably more improtant then the words'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(statistically speaking)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Daloran, if it makes you feel better, replace the words 'big' and 'small' with 'obvious' and 'subtle''
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I still wouldn't even agree with that =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You don't agree that the actual words that come out of someone's mouth are more obvious than their tone, body language, context?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Not at all. In fact a majority of how we communicate is non verbal anyway'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'something like 80 or 85 % is nonverbal'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Women: Feelings, Men: Logic'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You might need to look up the meaning of the word subtle...it doesn't mean less'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'case in point you spouse says they are faithful while eye humping someone else'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '"Sight makes up 83% of the impact on the brain of information from the senses during a visual presentation. Taste makes up 1%, Hearing makes up 11%, smell 3% and touch 2%."'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I'm well away of what subtle means.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'well aware, rather.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Subtle means not on the surface.  The concrete words are on the surface, the 'rest' of the communication is the subtle part'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You could communicate at a point of 1% concrete 99% subtlety, it still wouldn't change the fact that body language, tone, context, etc are all subtle'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Actually Vakieh, if thats your definition of subtle, I'd suggest you look the word up for yourself... that's not what it means at all'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'From Mirriam-Webster: 1) a)delicate, elusive. b)difficult to understand or perceive - obscure.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Which does not mean "not on the surface"'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The particular effect of someone with a frown is more delicate and elusive than them saying the words 'I don't like you''
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A frown is overt, though'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The next meaning, subtle having many: 2 : clever and/or indirect'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Vak.. again, that's not really true. You can say those words with a smile... with sarcasm.. jokingly.... and they all change the meaning rather significantly.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They change the meaning significantly, yes, but they remain subtleties'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Subtle would be someone frowning slightly, then quickly smiling to conceal their distaste'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'subtext isn't always subtle'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Check the first part of each of two words you just used, and wonder at their etymology...'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'subtleties are covert, not overt'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Something overt can be more subtle than another overt thing...subtle being relative'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So yes, a frown is rather overt, but it remains more subtle than saying the feeling in words'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hows this then Vak... I conceed that sometimes non verbal cues can be subtle. But the words can also be subtle. However they can also be very obvious, and very easy to grasp. I wouldn't say one is neccesarily more or less subtle. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '130 decibels isn't less subtle than 140'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DosseT, yes it is'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Subtle is slight, fine, and delicate'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By definition, it is, by a factor of 10'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now, if you remove the 'r', I would agree'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I mean remove the less'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you still not get it Daloran? The words you say are concrete - they can be misunderstood, but they are out there.  The tone of voice you use, the context you speak in, the body language you use, are all subtleties by the simple fact they are not vocalised.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Vak.. you're sayign your tone of voice is not vocalized? =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They can change the meaning of the words completely, but at the end of the day, the most overt part of the conversation is always the words.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'body language is overt on camera, as much as tone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Unless you are saying "I am talking in an angry voice", then no, they are not vocalised'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Men say: Honey, can you empty the trash. Women say: Honey, the trashcan is full. For me, as a man, the female version is more subtle, but they mean the same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Ranrr.. They don't mean the same thing at all, unless you pair them with nonverbal cues and tone of voice.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't know.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody is saying body language, tone etc can't have a profound effect on the meaning intended to be conveyed by words.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Without the tone, the words are meaningless, Vak'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is this form of communication we are having, then?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'subtle means hard to perceive, derived from subtilis (fine, thin, slender, delicate) per wikipedia, for what it's worth'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you're confounding subtlety with subtext'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'tone of voice and body language are immediately perceived, yet convey a subtext beneath spoken words'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Subtext is by its very nature less overt than ordinary text'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Again.... I don't really agree with that =p'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You don't have to agree for it to be correct'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'subtext is just unspoken, the "giveaway"'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if someone says they're having a great time, and their arms are crossed and are looking at their watch, you figure they aren't'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And you assume you're correct.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes DosseT.  The overt words' meaning are changed by the subtleties of their tone and body language.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I wouldn't consider the body language to be subtle'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not subtle by a 1 or 0 approach, no.  But subtlER than the words.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another example of my original point: To seduce a man, just e.g. throw him on the bed and get naked. To seduce a women, the small things do the trick, like giving her attention instead of your male friends, or whispering sweet things in her ear, or just doing the dishes without her having to tell you. Those things wouldn't really work on a man.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Come on, tell me I'm wrong, or are y'all virgins? :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'problem with the missus?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really, just bored.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd say women follow their feelings more, and use subterfuge'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Men are rational, and use logic'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Problem is that men can see how women think, but women don't care how men do'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since thinking is affected by hormones, I can't see how either can understand the other's thinking...'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Testosterone lends itself to visual/spatial ability and the reasoning to learn how women operate'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Women are too busy feeling, there's no self-reflection, much less room for external analysis'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want to try something fun, try telling a female friend how men's brains work. E.g. tell her that any man that speaks to you for no apparent reason wants to have sex with you. Why else would he talk to you? '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'oh, the male friends thing'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yea, surprise girls'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, perhaps, tell her that men always want to sleep with their female friends. Or maybe not.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea always'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Guys wouldn't waste their time/effort to be orbiters if they weren't interested'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You might not.. but thats not really true, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alledly, 90% of black people in the USA are born out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I dream of a world where 100% of everybody is born out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why would you doubt that?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then you have the obamaphone lady, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You may have made assumptions which are not correct about my statement, however it is true'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i thought nuts trolling tech was bad'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that means you're not a fan of marriage or not a fan of children'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The former'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, your choice'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'More specifically, religion, but w/e :-P'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian scientist to broadcast Monsanto rat study live on the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '80% of women will go to 20% of men though'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'President Obama's Partnership for Sustainable Communities are implementing micro-apartments and planning 1-child family enforcement'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that Monsanto rat study, pro or against Monsanto, or neutral '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'GMOs make you sterile'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some GMOs'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bill Gates funded Monsanto GMOs make you sterile'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Part of their depopulation plan'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that may be good if those below genius level are more likely to be sterile'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's genius's that continue to eat it'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're buying out the food sources, Xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and seeds'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So the only thing left to eat is GMO food'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lots of sex and no children'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'campaign then out'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...for one generation'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the law in CA to label GMO in food will be passed'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think Obama's government will try and screw that one up?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Relabeling'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'just like high-fructose corn syrup has hosts of other names'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/035105_Bill_Gates_Monsanto_eugenics.html'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Don't quite understand how people have such a short memory. Bill Gates isn't a particualrly nice person'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody had any doubt about that up until a few years ago, now they have amnesia'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Buy out all food and replace with GMO = depopulation; provide GMO food to starving nations = depopulation while appearing the good guy'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People can't see the forest for the trees is why'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food prices set to rocket this fall'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'Movie of all time: Coach Carter!'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Best movie? Equilibrium'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed, at least in the "1984" genre.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'attack of the 50 foot woman'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, Equilibrium was loosely based on the 1930s novel "Kallocain", by Karin Boye from Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote obama! get a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01n1r2t/The_Revolution_Will_Be_Televised_Episode_6/'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(american viewers may need some proxy jiggery pokery to view that)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or anyone else outside the UK'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 weeks a mort'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The shopping lists for democrat members, for any political capital Obama might make in the election:'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'He's got to continue to concentrate on jobs, Rep. Bill Pascrell said last week as the House was leaving town for a long, pre-election recess. I'm hoping he'll do immigration reform, said Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas). We should get back to an energy policy  one that acknowledges that climate change is real, said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.). The critical issues will be revenue generation  and  a concerted push on immigration reform, said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.). I think he'd want his administration to start on healthcare, said Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.).'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e policy and idea-less set of inane political drivel '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, gold at $1773, music to my ears'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paul ryan talking on foreign policy makes me want to hurl'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it require justification? thought it pretty obvious'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have never heard him talk.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a few linked up at drudgereport.com'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also think we should credit him with having a budget proposal that is less pathetic than Boehner, Pelosi etc :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we should credit him without be a cock-sucking, boot licking shit eater of the worst sort'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/259355-ryan-obama-running-on-division-distraction-on-distortion'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again reducing the budget deficit by 2-5% doesn't quite solve the problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you can reduce the deficit by a few %'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you have to reduce it immediately to 0 in one big shock, or ..... do something different with it'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doing the right thing is very much the worst choice, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cuts don't work'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't see Obama running on anything better than distraction and distortion though'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's using his best asset as his voting tactic'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his skin colour'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I might conceivably have voted for Obama in 2008, since he seemed less bad than McCain'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having seen what the UK Labour party did to us in the 1970s, and in 1995-2010, I would never have made that mistake'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'no, Obama's best asset is not being batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although now that Obama has had four years to prove that he doesn't have any solutions, there really doesn't seem much sense in reelecting him'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I already have a phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people have many'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama has great solutions... for the guys he's working for'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also there is no such thing as a free phone (or was that lunch)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Santher.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely free phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'no solutions? interesting, tell me more about how no federal directive or newly signed law has done anything in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no such thing as a free phone.  You got one free from the government because they raised taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government made those taxes, you didn't make th em'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not quite sure who Obama is really working for, seems like it might be weird Chicago stuff and unions more than Wall Street'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'my face keeps landing in my palm for some reason'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) StinkPit: 'guess i should turn off debate'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's CIA.  They're busy nation-building, but they blew their travel budget on the War on Terror.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama has fleeced american tax payers for trillions...'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's hassling you, StinkPit?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'of course he can give out free phones'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Black Obama voter: Romney will raise taxes on people with no money'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The main problems facing Obama in early 2009 were 1. Financial (ongoing crisis and also government budget deficits), 2. Environmental degradation, 3. Demographic changes.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facing Obama, or facing America?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two aren't the same'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Tigernuts's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well.... how can i put this - Obama hasn't got the best interests of America in mind'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so therefore, his problems don't always match the country's problems'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nods he's bankrupting america faster than bush was'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '4. Incompetence in believing partisan cooperation was possible with Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Looking at the finance part, the financial crisis was a result of allowing excessive leverage, having largely unregulated derivatives, persistent interest manipulation and failed policies by the fed, and inevitably humans doing what would give them the highest quarterly bonus.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '5. Failure to "seize the day" while holding an effective voting majority in both houses'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much in the same way as the lib/con government in the UK elected in 2010 has been "How can we look like we're doing something to save the country when all we're really doing is holding the reigns and hoping other European countries go down the tube before we do"'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama' time in office has been characterised by: "How badly can I fuck up the fabric of this country in 4 years?"'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama could have proposed changes that would have greatly reduced the first two of those causes, and also the problem of excessively mixing primitive and derivative securities.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Barack Obama was (is) a toady to the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that's fair'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a toady to the people that now 'own' the republican brand'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He might not have been able to pass the legislation, but he didn't even try. Instead we got 2k pages of mostly worthless "financial reform" which didn't change any of those points.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama works for both parties'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I know that Bill Clinton has some confusing math based on "studies", but I can give it to you straight Mr. Clinton: $16tril. - $10tril is $6tril. Gas is $4 a gallon and unemployment abor 8%.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans these days are a long way away from republican'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nw'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'www.shadowstats.com'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statistics without government massage'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I just get the feeling that after 4 more years of Obama we'll be saying things like Austerity here. No one can bail the US out though. No Germany coming to our aid.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real terms unemployment is somewhere in the range 8-25%'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany won't be coming to anyones aid'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Technically, the amount of money Germany paid to bail Greece out was something like 10,000 times the amount they owed for reparations from WWI.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'So I think we can finally put that one to rest.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dollar is worth roughly half of what it was 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'bailouts seem like a tax grab to me... does anyone actually believe the banks were ever in any real trouble?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, it was a huge wealth transfer from US to the banking elite'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama could have proposed a health care/pension/insurance reform that would solve the big problems in health care (lack of coverage and silly insurance system, excessively high cost relative to gdp, a moderately insane tort system). Obama could have worked out a new, properly funded pension system (with the inevitable cuts). Obama chose to do neither. Instead we got 2k pages of legislation which primarily hurt small businessowners and benefit large insurance companies, and Obama's administration has given waivers to any number of huge corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Agreed, deficit spending is always a bad idea. Only makes sense in a true emergency. Keynes never intended for deficit spending to get out of control like this, or to even be long term.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keynes didn't count on the level of globalism we have now, either'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That legislation might not have passed either, but on both counts, Obama failed by not even trying.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'True, which is really my problem with Ron Paul. He never accounts for globalism in anything he says / thinks of.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(well he does, foreign policy :-) )'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean, sure, let the Middle East just blow itself up Mr. Paul and gas will be $18 a gallon and we'll go into a huge depression.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, you shouldn't be concerned, because US, like UK is a net importer'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'There's no such thing as a global economy to him, he's living in the 1960s.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing RP would have done would be worse than the situation as is where big global companies literally asset-strip entire countries'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take Apple and Google f/example'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Which countries are they asset stripping?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they asset strip 3rd world countries quite literally, but they "use" western countries to make huge amounts of money while paying ZERO or close to zero tax'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'as for (2) and (3) I haven't seen any noticeable policy proposals there either'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Which countries?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which countries for what?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So, you can disagree with me, of course, but when Obama doesn't even propose solutions to the major problems, I'm going to assume that this is because he doesn't have solutions, doesn't understand the issues, or, well, his personal incentives lead to less saintly actions.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'apparently it's illegal to collect rainwater in america now'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What country did Apple or Google, that is 3rd world strip?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think it is a mistake to disregard the political climate'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They knew they could never get any of the stuff you want through'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple and Google were examples of global corps that don't pay tax in the countries they make all their money off of'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Quadrapus.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'which sucks'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily 3rd world asset-strippers'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I actually don't think he knows how to solve them at all Tinada. I mean, look at all the flak Obama gets for meeting Kanye west and a pirate in the oval office.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I dont think he wants that flak.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So because you can't get your laws passed, you never propose the actions which would solve things and never communicate those ideas to people?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think he just doesnt know what to do.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That doesn't seem very plausible to me.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'third world strippers are dark skinned women with prominent ribs'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They communicate... you don't read the newspaper? :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Not if you are really trying to help the country, at any rate.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Even the liberal papers were blasting him for not doing enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean, yes. they do, but what is he going to say, "yes I'll attack iran with you now mr. netanyahu" America doesn't want any more wars, period. esp. in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually companies want to stay profitable long term, so generally speaking when they realize that their supply chain is jeopardized by their actions of unrevocable stripping of assets, they change course. Its happened many times in American history.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was the guy in Oregon, Santher, I think it's a local interpretation of a state law'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's more than just oregan :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The first example I can think of is the rail companies in the 1860s after they realized what they were doing to forest lands and farm lands.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the general pattern over the last 8 years has definitely been authoritarian central collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't wait to see states starting to use nullification and see then what he does'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Without any Government intervention, they started changing course.. of course the Government stepped in and started to regulate anywyas.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's when you'll start seeing these 1.2bn rounds of ammo he's bought for the DHS'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, its a bit frightening. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Now I don't see Romney proposing that kind of solution either, and those issues don't exactly seem to be at the foreground of the political debates (apart from the budget deficit, and assorted "solutions" which are obviously not going to resolve the problems)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe that's the only logical scenario: He'll push the states too far, they'll start nullifying his dictats, he'll try and send in the troops, civil war ensues'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the only thing that makes any sense, is why he's been trying to push gun bans'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yeah I agree Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They both suck'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'victimising army vets'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Still, I mean a goal should be energy independence for America. That would really be a huge win for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Quadrapus.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pulling every stunt possible to get gun owners into the law system so they're on file'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Still, Romney's plan is 57 pages long.. he needs to articulate why they will actually work.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I know a few undecideds that are still waiting to hear that.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No! We want to sell you expensive oil, no energy independence for yooo'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want energy independance? probably best stop closing down all your power stations, then'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think Romney has been closing down anything'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama has'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is that. Energy independence would have to include coal. From an environmental (and economic) point of view, it's a bit on the silly side to close down US coal plants and sell the coal to China.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't fancy Romney's plans to turn much of the middle east into a glass parking lot, then you can always vote for Obama and get a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'considering that modern US coal plants have approximately zero emissions (apart from the inevitable co2), they should be included.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really doubt even half of them are considered modern, though.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I still don't think it's realistic with energy independence in 8 years, like Romney suggests, 16 could probably be done'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm orf, but look on the bright side, here in the Uk we're just as screwed, except we don't have any land to grow food on, and none of us are armed. Happy days'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then modernize the remaining ones, last time I checked, Chinese plants don't quite meet new US emission standards :)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'just make some fusion or fission reactors, quite easy :P'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also you have the largest financial sector of any major economy (relative to gdp)'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the army can be deployed on the streets without constitutional objection'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy, so it's our fault, too'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Resurrect Churchill.  He created two shortages of stuff during WW2 in a country basically surrounded by those things.  Organizational genius, he was.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, it's illegal for the US army to operate within US borders.  It's why the National Guard was created.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'that sounds... very wrong'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Hmmm?  That doesn't seem like an unreasonable restriction at all, presuming it doesn't apply when you're being invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Of course, I'd rather not have a standing army at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'martial law is different.  The military gets to run hogwild here if someone overran us.  They might win the war, but it will irreparably shred the American Psyche if the initial horror of the invasion didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'is anyone reading this?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'yoyoyo'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, what other ideas do you have?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'hmm?'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'honestly, i forget where i was going. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'the mud seems to be well run'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It is,'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'and i'm pretty sure my points would've applied to a larger or more poorly managed community. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think it makes a stronger community when people can handle people being rude.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Obviously there have to be limits at some point.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i can see that, though i find myself inclined to disagree. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'but i'm not sure why, yet. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'haven't thought about it enoug. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i think its something about what i want a mud to be. a place where i can go to escape the real world - which would include rude people. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'let me reiterate i have no idea if you are/were/will be rude. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think that's an unrealistic expectation to have in almost any community'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'perhaps. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'it's not unrealistic as long as your community is small enough'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'One of the best things about this mud is that you have a lot of ways in which you can create and tailor your community, via ftalk and your choice of clan, assuming you want to join a clan at all.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'so, just turn on Quiet mode and you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i was about to make that point, starling. though i don't know the details. '
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'read help friend, help <clan name>, also help ignore for dealing with people you don't like.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reading the clan board will give you an idea of how much rudeness (or lack thereof) to expect on an average day.'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You never owned a slave, but you certainly will have profited from their legacy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'here'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Slavery is assumed to have arisen no earlier than 11,000 years ago, or ca. 9000BCE'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The earliest references to it are far later, however, no earlier than 2500BCE'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'From Sumeria and Babylon, most notable the Code of Hammurabi'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2 days 'til the 1st presidential debates. This should be interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am going to be surprised if the major economic problems are discussed'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney knows that he can't use the Economy Card because Obama will just counter with his Trap Card - "What the FUCK is YOUR plan then, Mittens?!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and I gather the questions have been known for a long time, so both candidates get most of the teleprompter effect..'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think Romney's the least forthcoming candidate I've seen for POTUS since I started following U.S: politics back in 2000.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We know next to nothing about how he plans on running his presidency besides his talking points. No specifics. If Obama doesn't nail him on that, then he's officially incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'in australia all political debate is essentially "At least I'm not the other guy"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan yesterday on the Romney plan for the economy: Explaining it would take too long. So I just won't mention a single specific thing about it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i agree what we were taught in school is not the same  the war was over cotten'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US civil war was fought for and against state rights over federal'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you also think Obama is secretly a Muslim and that Neil Armstrong never walked on the Moon?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'No I see him as a non citizen'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '>>because he is black.  You didn't have to say it for it to be there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'only becuase i looked at his up bringing'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no actualy  if you study him you will see he spent the majoer part of his life in ondonniesai'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'where is this country? it sounds AWESOME'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'move 20 miles north of singapore'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "the major part" you mean 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '10 years out of 51. Totally "the major part" of his life. McCain and Romney spent several years not living in the U.S. as well, AFAIR.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'then he  moved where ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Honolulu.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'remember he was not a manmer of the usa in this point'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'manmer? your spelling is interfering with your communication, because I have no idea what you said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is a mamner?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'member'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how was he not a "member" of the U.S. at that time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how the FUCK does that mean that he spent "the major part" of his life not living in the U.S. when he's lived 41 out of 51 of his years in the U.S:?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, from what I can see, he was out of the US for 1st grade-4th grade. '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'he grew up for his first ten years in indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'how does that make him american'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, I was sloppy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i can remember first grade'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'seems his mother was living in hawaii until after kindergarten. '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He lived for only 5 years in Indonesia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Under the theory that time moves slower when you're younger because you perceive each year as a percentage of your total lifespan, the first ten years could be psychologically considered a significant portion of his life'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He lived the first 5 years of his life in the Hawaii, 5 in Indonesia and the rest of his life in the U.S:'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'moved there in 1967, back in 1975'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TOTALLY makes him an Indonesian!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '1971, can't type'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'yet  she was 3 monthes shy of that law'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the fuck does that NOT make him an "American"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fucking law?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a hell of a lot of american citizen kids who've spent more than that living outside the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'so we all say ok we let it slide becuase he is black'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll give you points for being creative about your Birtherism, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fucking law?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, we let it slide because american law doesn't have you lose your citizenship if you go to school overseas'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i say we should be more what does the constitution say'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Constitution says you can't move overseas for 7 years?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'he slid under a wire he is actualy not ligitamit'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'he never grew up in no hood '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'he grew up in asia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you actually suffer from dyslexia or are you just a redneck?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correction: he grew up in honolulu, then indonesia, then back to honolulu.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't aware that the U.S: constitution said "You have to have been raised from birth to adulthood in the U.S. to be considered a natural-BORN citizen".'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem is, Yuna, you are talking to someone who has never read the US constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'better look into that more he did not  grow up in the states they lived in  asua'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you'd better look into that more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he lived in honolulu w/his mother and grandparents until after kindergarten.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I suppose we shouldn't have expected any better from someone who claims the U.S. civil war was fought over COTTON.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'you are wrong he graduated  fron  indonisua'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he did not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'thats where all his schooling was'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'indonisua'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I graduated from Antarctica. I am now eligible to attend Moon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "all" you mean "7 fucking years":'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not even 7.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I spent, like, 5 months in Vietnamese kindergarten. My schooling is totally 100% Vietnamese.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'google it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'kindergarten in honolulu, 1-4 grades in indonesia, 5-12 grade in honolulu where he graduated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would say a person who has not experienced another country to be unfit to rule their own.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i knw i am right '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I did, you apparently did not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bush is the Queen of England. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe we've got this all wrong. Maybe Jaxerel is arguing that Honolulu is in fact a part of Indoensia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Insulting (?) the entire state of Hawaii to boot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he graduated from punahou high school in hawaii. You can find this information readily on the internet.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i will say this last election we had what compared to a jerry springer show'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic, Jaxerel thinks the U.S. civil war was fought over cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama#Indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just treat him how you treat Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and here we need actual leaders and they still fail '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'w have a war gone on  Obama wants all of us to forget it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we ned leaders'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Obama was in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971, That is IT'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. We ned flanders.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'hididdly-ho, indonesios'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what's flanders goona do? screech like a girl and whine?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'where was he before that'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ages 6-10.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Before that, Hawaii'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'honolulu'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i read his life'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'flanders is going to get annexed by the netherlands!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama#Indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DarkenRahl: 'he would be honest though'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Read that, and stfu'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no he was not his father would not stay there'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. his mother stayed there without his father.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'they went and loved with his father'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His father DIDN'T stay there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and france, and belgium...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He lived with his grandparent, idiot...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you are incorrect, again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'then his mom left his father'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not sure how Jaxerel can have such selective dyslexia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'His father died, again, idiot'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna, the term is Delusional Psychosis, I believe'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'ok thats what you read'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I'm talking about his selective dyslexia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Got a better source? The one I linked says it all. Click it, and come out of your shell'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama#Indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's able to spell most words perfectly, yet sometimes he'll just butcher random words.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I take it  he is  a decendant from goerge washington too'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why would you take that?>'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'vak, that links breaks aardmush :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'here's a link to his school as well: http://www.punahou.edu/page.cfm?p=1786'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he enrolled there in 5th.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, they're lying, Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i really do not care how my spelling is'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single source that refutes Birthers is lying.''
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because... ned flanders!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna, perhaps he is trying to hoist a flag while typing, while singing various anthems.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I will say this Obama is a idiot as is  mitt'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we are screwed either way'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'New argument - Jaxerel was born in Los Angeles. He spent the formative years of his life in Yugoslavia, before studying in Pakistan. He later moved to a backwards US town and took up the banjo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r5e64/'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the problem with claiming that he's an idiot is that you've thrown out a whole bunch of things that are NOT true, so it automatically reduces your credibility about everything else you say.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't care what the so-called "intertubes" say, or all these pansy "scholars". I know for a fact that Joe Biden was born Queen of England to King Edward IV in Ecuador, where her position was usurped by the heathen Elizabeth and was exiled to Quebec, where she gained US citizenship by naturalisation, before legally changing her name to Joe Biden!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'now talk to your english friends and your canadaian friends and   let them tell you  how obama health care will work'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't say that, Majic! Don't crush my dreams! The U.S. Civil War was TOTALLY fought over cotton!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it faild them countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Jaxerel, care to comment on how your Yugoslavian education is affecting your perspective?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Canadians are perfectly happy with their healthcare system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least that theory might explain Biden's tenuous connection with the present'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i don't know about perfectly happy, but it works'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some of them are and some of them are not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as with any system, there are good and bad points about it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'at least i don't have to stitch up my own wounds'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me revise that statement: They wouldn't in a million years switch over the U.S. system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'well my friend of 20 years  says it sucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the strengths of socialized health care is in the preventative care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nods the US system is fucked'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your friend of over 20 years is bad and you should FEEL bad!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things are frequently much cheaper to treat if you can catch them early.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, paul ryan was totally born in the Empire of Granada, to a muslim duke who sent him on an expedition to Ecuador, where he converted to Pastafarianism and gained US citizenship!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem with pelosicare is that it's mostly more of the same - a system that is by far the most expensive in the world becomes more expensive, still doesn't have full coverage and for practical purposes works out as a semi-regressive tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Socialized healthcare is not perfect. But you always have the option of private healthcare should you choose to go that route.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'checkmate atheists'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Jaxerel, might that be because 20 years ago you were in Yugoslavia and your friend is actually Czech?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so it seems like 4 steps sideways and one backwards'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i am speaking truth'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'now is it that your 13 years old and have nothing to say'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. The U.S. Civil War was fought over cotton. All hair Jaxerel, Oracle of Truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How old are you, Jaxerel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd really like to start with low-cost (as in, $10 for a visit) preventative care clinics. I think that'd save us a hell of a lot of money and improve the average low-to-moderate income person's lot a fair amount while not costing as much as ER visits for that level of horseshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ah yes, speaking truth like glorious President Branko Kostic'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck kind of clinics only cost $10 a visit?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not even countries with socialized health care has that!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not that they cost that much, yuna, it's that that's how much it's charged.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't like free at point of care clinics, it encourages running in for practically nothing. a small charge seems reasonable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'the trouble is money'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine. Not even countries with socialized health care have clinics that only charge $10 a visit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you're under the age of X.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a problem with charging for these things.. some peole don't have cash to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My country has socialised health which is free...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wrong, actually.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'so for every one to get free health'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or it's an emergency, I guess?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most people can find $10 :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'who is gonna pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're paying for it now, jaxerel, whenever you pay medical bills, insurance bills, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'for some people, the choice will be "pay $10" for the clinic" or "fed my kids"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know how much it costs now, but 5-10 years ago it cost us less than 5usd for consultation at prevailing exchange rates'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more likely pay ten dollars for the clinic or buy my cigarettes :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'for some.. yes. for all.. no chance at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'lets  see what does it cost you  at work to pay for your  family'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'for those with that choice, i have no sympathy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while I'm not sure how much the cost to them was, they're funded by the govt at the rate of roughly 50%'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I'm not really an expert. I have no clue what consultation costs. I've only ever been to visit doctors for dentists visits and the emergency room.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I haven't needed to go to the hospital except for dental care since I reached the age where the state stops paying for all of your medical expenses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, pretty sure actually visiting the GP is free in the UK, I don't have experience anywhere else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes, it is free in the uk.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can walk into any GP or ER, hand over a medicare card (I also have private insurance, but not for outpatient stuffs), and walk out having seen a doctor for an hour for free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'th cost is gonna be handed off to us'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess socialized medicine is ever better than I thought.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'jaxerel, the cost is already being handed off to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I sincerely doubtyou pay any taxes, Jaxerel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if you do, I doubt it's much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there are problems with it. non-essential stuff takes a *long* time on the NHS'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'how'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still wanna know how old you are, Jaxerel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have a single payer, and the only reason to have private health insurance is for aesthetic and speed'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, they're fairly good about essential stuff, and GPs are decent'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'every time you pay an astronomical medical/insurance bill, it pays for the people who go to the ER without the ability to pay because it's the only way to get treated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you can generally see a GP within a few days'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no one pays  the hundreds that comes outr of my check'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at A Giant Kraken.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Jaxerel, you claim you make at least 600 dollars a month?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'what is gonna happen we will no longer have our say over our care'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'jax - in *no* system in the world (as far as I know) do they ban private insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's fairly good for a) emergencies, such as 'I fell and broke my arm and need it casted right now', b) chronic and manageable conditions, c) non-urgent stuff such as needing an antibiotic for a UTI etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it will be government care'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'nothing will stop you getting additional insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'now who is paying for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have my medicare card AND private health insurance, as I said'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the people.. in general'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doesn't Obamacare give you the choice of going into Obamacare OR getting private insurance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not so hot for things which are urgent but not immediate, such as needing an MRI soon or needing a colonoscopy soon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't HAVE to pay both.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'do you all love taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home our top marginal income tax rates are 20%, GST at 7%, have conscription and a relatively large military, and somehow we get govt healthcare... most people will save much more than you are taxed with universal care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, really, when it comes to choice, all Obamacare does is remove the option to NOT have health insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'granted, we don't have rural areas, but I don't see US cities matching us...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I use the medicare for basic stuff, and the private insurance for things like dental aesthetics, and getting certain things done faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no becuase he added a law that if you do not have insurance you will be fined'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "You can choose between Obamacare or private insurance, just not NO CARE" was too Vietnamese cho m`y the first time I said it, Jaxerel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'jax - you *need* that, otherwise the other stuff doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... that's exactly what yuna said, lern2read'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'do not take me wrong i understand people need these things'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if you don't have a requirement for insurance, then people don't get it until they get sick, and insurance companies just fall over in a massive heap'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The 'fine' for not having insurance is how you pay for the free health care...it is usually means tested "OH NOES RED COMMIES COMING TO GET MEEEEEE"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. the fine isn't for that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the mandate is to prevent a death spiral of insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i do not like the idea of all our health being taken care of  by politician'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's still being run by insurance companies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you do not like that your president is a secret Indonesian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i do not have insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the politicians are just *regulating* the insurance companies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i am outr of work'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you not have health insurance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kraken, here in Au it is called the 'Medicare levy surcharge', and it applies to those people whose income has been assessed as at a level where private health insurance would be expected.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just 5 minutes ago, you claimed that HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS are taken out of your paycheck [presumably every month].'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'australia, or some state?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Out of work and earning >600 a month?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '(honest question)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Australia'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i am not out to suck off the govenrmenr and if he wants to make me a criminal for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ok. i don't know how their system works.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if you're out of work, the U.S. laws gives you 3 months of additional health insurance or more. So how long have you been out of work, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'CORBA or something?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'then i can say fff obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Single Payer - not tied to employment'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ah. you mean sane? :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you know, there are places in the US, more rural areas, where countries opt not to have a fire department, and instead residents owe a yearly fee to the local village for fire protection.  And every year, there's a story about some poor sob who refused to pay for protection, and the fire department stood by watching his house burn down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do not have to be a criminal to be issued a fine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Jax may get along well with Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'thats what he is saying though'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'if we agree to let people not have insurance, we then must also conceed if those people need emergency care they can't pay for, they need to be left untreated'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, that's both barbaric, and detrimental to the overall nation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I need work'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taokan, there is a HUGE difference between not wanting insurance, and not being able to afford it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'but by your method both houses burn'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i *don't* think you can actually afford health insurance on minimal wage in the US, can you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on where you work. some companies have good discounts'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the worst place to try to get insurance is if you're self-employed'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'assume the employer doesn't provide any help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'but i would risk that  15 to 40 never need to ues it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think Walmart has a cheapshit 'duct tape on a hemorrhage' option for minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Jaxerel.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'but will will pay for them too'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever get hit by a car?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you *don't* know. that's the problem. There's always a risk of injury, illness, accident, etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because "15 to 40" (what the fuck does that even mean?!) can totally predict that they'll never get into an accident.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'much agreed vakieh, Kraken: the PPACA (Obamacare) discounts your health insurance if your income is such that you can't afford it.  But, for it to work, it requires those that can afford it, to also purchase it.  It can't just be 100% govt sponsored or it will destroy the budget'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or get cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes, i know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was TOTALLY my fault that I caught that DEADLY new string of the flu virus at age 8 and would've DIED had I not been hospitalized for 2 months or so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, i'm talking more to the people who think ppaca is the worst thing ever..'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I am saying majority'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taokan, the way we do it here is to add a tax above a certain limit for any who do not have private insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'or, your own fault that you were born with a genetic condition.. should have chosen better parents!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My stint would've set my parents back probably hundreds of thousands of the dollars under the old U.S. system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'thats how thye get therer figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think I may have stumbled into this debate giving the wrong impression... I would argue some government services like health care and fire protection shouldn't be optional, as it forces us to make rather barbaric decisions for non-payers'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could be 100% govt if they overhauled the whole thing entirely and provided services directly. Of course, it would never pass the gop.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 's'ok. we're mostly not arguing with you :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'sonshi - that'd never pass the dems either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Taokan, you're sane, we're sane, we're not actually disagreeing much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'for some reason, doing somethingh that'd get millions of people to vote for you doesn't seem like a good idea.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'fair enough, let me sip my coffee and put the kids on the bus, interesting discussion this morning though :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i must be missing something.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have this sneaking suspicion Jax is a rather successful troll, but I will continue to argue on the off chance I can convince an onlooker.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vakieh, that's how I treat all ostensibly insane people in online debates.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'what is gonna happen is the privat sector  is gonna no longer be paying for  health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? It's not like they'll be paying more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'obama care went threw'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you mean, they'll take away their employee's health insurance (Equivalent to a massive pay cut) and the employees won't go nuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I wouldn't say it would never pass the democrats... it could pass them if they get their arms twisted enough!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'your naievte is touching.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh noes, the Democrats implemented a new system that IN NO WAY INCONVENIENCES US! Quickly, cut the health insurance program!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we are gonna see higher taxes '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'remeber, health care provided by employers is part of an employee's compensation'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it went threw'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would never the Republicans because the Filibuster allows them to simply not allow a vote to take place.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it went threw '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I sometimes think we come at debates all wrong.  Instead of trying to convince others of a position, we should really be trying to educate and incentivise learning to think, and moreover think critically.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'careful.. that was almost banned in texas :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, given the political realities, instead of passing something closer to optimal, they had to pass some small improvement...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Critical thinking in school is a sin!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ban it now!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I said earlier i will say it now we have no leaders running for office'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you have a tenuous grasp of the English language.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you get the leaders the party members want.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'See here, we could be explaining how such statements should be couched in sources on the inefficacy of the contending parties.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'guess what there is nothing anyoe can do about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. there are things. they're just *HARD*'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And now a lesson on how two party systems work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so no-one wants to do them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what YOU can do about it, Jaxerel? RUN FOR OFFICE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I want a Jaxerel-Tigernuts ticket for 2016.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'help to split the nut vote off?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jaxerel-Tigernuts: We believe Obama is secret an Indonesian (or Kenyan) Muslim and that the U.S. Civil War was fought over cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vote Jaxerel-Tigernuts. You'd have to be NUTS not to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2016, at least they can run against obama's emtpty chair, obama won't be eligible any more'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem Yuna, Tiggr wasn't born in the US.  I suppose they could forge a document or 2, though'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you need to be natural-born to run for VP as well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I suspect Obama doesn't believe in any religion, but he can't really go around saying that now, can he?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It makes sense since you'd become interim president should something happen to incapacitate the president...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i think so, because you have to be eligible to be president to be VP'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no we had the guy for 4 years  and people forgot why we are in afganastain'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, i'm not sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Survey (Wikipedia) says: Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'in case you didn't realise, wqe've been in afghanistan for 10+ years'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'hell of a leader there'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You are in Afghanistan because Taliban stopped opium production!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHy the fuck ARE we in Afghanistan, o wise leader, Jaxerel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe it was something about terrorists and stuff, I forget'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yuna - that's a question i'd like to know the answer to :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'but the pres before left us knew why we are there'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Worl Poliiiiiice, dunununununununuhhhhhhh'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what would that be, Jaxerel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh YEAH baby, here we go, Bush praise incoming!!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone know where Chemosh is from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because he got distracted by the shiny objects in the desert, and got bored with his toys in afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jaxerel-Chemosh. "A vote for us is a vote against every conspiracy theory in the history of the world. Vote Jaxerel-Chemosh or you're a member of the Illuminati!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'afghanistan, i more or less supported, although they've done terribly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, they should have given up a long time ago. it's unwinnable'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'well they built these  camps and they trained people to kill americans'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. and without staying there forever, how do you plan to prevent it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I got detained at an airport once and lightly questioned by an airport security guard. This was when I was returning from a trip to Italy 2 days or so after the Iraqi War broke out. I'm Asian, speak perfect Swedish and was traveling with my Latin class.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A real riot, your airport security guards. I clearly a terrorist in disguise!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and in time they did that not only the trade twowrs or the  navy shop buy embassies'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have no idea what Jaxerel just said, but clearly he's talking about George H. W. Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the wat to prevent this isn't "invade country X, and make sure they can't train people"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'so  you were  all just sperm when the trade towers fell'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not as though it was a secret that Afghanistan has no capturable strategic centre of gravity'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. but, the solution there wasn't in afghanistan. it was in the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I actually think Jaxerel is clinically insane at this point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'spouse hey. at work, and tormenting people on debate :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His Friend of 20 Years is probably imaginary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't diss imaginary friends, plz'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'so ot was not bin laden that dod it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. he may have organised it, but clearly, he didn't *do* it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because we're all obviously 11 fucking years old.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'you all think it wa  some cia agent'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's what Chemosh probably thinks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the correct thing to do was a) Catch them when the entred the US, if they had the intelligence'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'well when you all do not remember what i am talking about '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'b) don't let people take over planes with box cutters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that particular attack vector will *never* work again'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it shouldn't have worked the first time, but heh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about "Not allow cowards to man your planes"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they were following the protocol at the time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, seriously, the pilots could've just crashed the planes into fields or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the pilots *weren't* in charge any more'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When it became clear what the terrorists wanted them to do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the hijackers took flying lessons, remember.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'how about people grow balls and not attack   the kids'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they were treating it as a pre-2001 hijacking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'procedure there is to let them do what they want.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah. Why didn't they all attack the terrorists like the crew and passengers of United 51 (or whatever) did?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because they didn't *know* the plane was going to be flown into something until it's too late'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they expected it to go to a friendly airport and issue a list of demands'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'like the other previous hijackings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'you all think that  bin laden was right and normal i am done speakin here'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did previous hijackings also have the hijackers actually fly the plane?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yuna - i don't know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like he's inventing what we say in his head.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'he's argunig with the empty chair next to you. it's ok'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will NOT allow you badmouth the gun-toting, homophobic, misogynistic and  possibly racist nutba... I mean national treasure that is Clint Eastwood.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'alright, who told him we eat babies for breakfast every day and torture kittens after lunch?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'look back in history'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'all i said about bin laden is that he didn't carry out 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes. I clearly remember that on this day, not two hours ago, you claimed the U.S. Civil War was fought over cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because he clearly didn't. He wasn't on the planes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'like our chat history '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'cheap-ass smartphone'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'almost'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ooops.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Eastwood did have a good point though - "we tried this for four years and it didn't work, time to try something different"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'cotton? Not many knows this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'not entirely true'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Time to vote the Democrats into a Super Majority in both houses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although he didn't talk about the limited amount of difference between the candidates'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it stopped the bleeding, and it's being slowly fixed. too slowly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what limited amount?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you know, SANITY.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'nah i know where i stand '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i will not  dishoner the ones that fell'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the glory of cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the part where they effectively agree on most of the big issues, in order to appeal to voters in the middle?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like Health Care and Taxes ?:p'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'hold on.. how do you actually know romney's positions on the issues?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'yuna maybe you need to mve to alabama'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For they were the men who would fight for the South's honor. They were the heroes that we're dreaing of. They'll live forever, knowing together that they did it all for the glory of cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'has he actually told you what they are, other than obama bad?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they agree on healthcare, taxes, and social security. Wow. News to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What issues do Romney and Obama agree on, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and medicare, and income inequality, and banking regulations, and environmental regulations...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gay marriage, war with Iran, leaving afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and abortion, civil rights...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'obama and bill clinton'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'obama doesn't go far enough in quite a few areas for me, but on 90% of them, he's better than romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wow, they agree on so many major issues. I really did not know that. Thanks!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'thats the sad part'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just out of curiousity's sake, what's the 10% of the issues where you think Romney trumps Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's 10% that I don't know enough about them :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we  should have a govenrment that cares and just kill em both and give us a nother round'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'probably the problem didn't let them show off their l33tness'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'wtf? you've just totally jumped off the deep end there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As far as I am aware, none of the candidates favour comprehensive and meaningful reforms of the financial system, government spending (including health care, pensions), overall cost externalization or control of demographic changes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not "the major issues".'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the issues YOU apparently care the most about.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'Nope just said what he said '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the fuck is talking about control over demographic changes besides you? In whose book besides yours is that a "major issue"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we are left with two idiots running for pres'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to be fair, the biggest long-run problem in the US is healthcare costs combined with an aging population'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that *is* the driver of the long-run budget deficit'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'To everyone, the major issues are the ones they care about.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you clearly haven't been listening to Romney's lies enough. He wants to do a vast overhaul of government spending. He just refuses to tell you any details of his alleged plan.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I also have to wonder... if obama believed in a finite god who is one among many finite gods and that anyone can gain the power to becomes gods themselves, the fundamentalist types would probably have called him a satanist... but someone like that on their side, perfectly fine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and the  healthcare cist came from hillary when she was voce prresident'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'hillary was *not* vice president.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what alternate universe was Hillary ever vice president?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's an alternate reality out there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the alternate universe where she was the shadow vice president behind Bill Clinton, using Al Gore as a sock puppet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'google  bill clinton  saying sorry to  gore for  letting his wife do his job'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I "care" most about those issues, because they seem to be most significant for the world/US/dutch antilles over the next two generations'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm 90% sure that would have been a joke.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it is on meet the press'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You also claim Obama spent the majority of his life in Indonesia. Why should we care about your sources that amount to nothing but "Google it"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'no it was not gore was ready to step down'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'majority? 4 years, as far as I can tell'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so, the us president is ... 8?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you have sensible reasons that other areas are more important, I don't mind adjusting my position'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'short-term.. unemployment.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, I think I said the differences were limited, which still allows the candidates to disagree on any number of points of medium to low overall significance'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'medium-term, healthcare costs/demographic stuff is fine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The major issues this election cycle are health care, unemployment, the economy (and then the cultural wars, now fought for/against the gays AND women).'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'well if you never figured that stuff out it means you never checked'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"fine" in the sense that you can fund it by printing money, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'banking/environmental regulations'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no.. i meant fine to worry about.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it *is* a problem. but it's not an immediate problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish they had limits on arsenic in rice...'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't actually understand how the economy works if you think one can solve a criwsis by printing more money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'now *that* sort of thing is really, really complex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. it depends on the situation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Summoner Yuna ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'not sure i've got a good handle on the details for that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'obama will write as much money as we need'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, for some economic problems, printing money *is* the solution.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not recessions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'jax - you mean obama won't let the economy go into free-fall. that's called a *good* thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'who pays for it then'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it will cause inflation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'if you  understand economics'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are better ways than outright printing money, but in a liquidity trap, it'll probably do some good up to a certain point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'moderate inflation is *good* for debtors. Bad for creditors'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'aka banks'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, it's been generally agreed that moderate inflation is what you want for an economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'his running of bad money is riasing the  debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'NO.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the debt is being raised because the governement is spending more than it tbrings in'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I recall a prominent politician saying that "deficits don't matter", just can't remember who'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'simple as that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they don't.. until a democrat is in the white house.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How he heck do you "run bad money"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and when they start printing more'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there are 2, and only 2 things you can do to fix the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'put people back to work, and much of the deficit will go away on its own'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '1) raise revenue'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2) cut spending'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'raising revenue can eithr be done by growing the economy or raising taes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it does nt  do that it has to have a silver mark'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '3) Raise revenue AND cut spending WITHOUT raising taxes. It totally works. We just won't find out how unless Mittens is elected POTUS!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'growth actually does both of those things. however, you need a plan to genrate the growth :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cutting too much spending may lead to a weimar type situation'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. it really won't'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'when he prints more money we as americans  pay more for products'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah Obama has a nice little printing press where he prints this money'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'but he  when he is no longer pres will get  great kick backs'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'people don't understand economics. yet, they think they're experts on all of this stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'During the past couple of years, the money printing has "worked" (ie. created limited overall inflation) because 1. The (western) shadow banking system has collapsed, with overall liquidity dropping by 8trn or something, and only about half of that has been picked up by the regulated banking system. Also in general the money printing corresponds loosely to "destroyed" money in the form of lower valued equities, commodities, bonds etc, 2. Changes in the perceived value of liquidity cause all sorts of units to hold more cash, reducing the velocity of money, 3. For the US in particular, most USD are held abroad and together with trade deficits and other money flows this enables a significant portion of the inflation to be exported'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama didn't kill Bin Laden, the seals did that'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he is printing money, "himself"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'eek. wall of text :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Bernanke is printing money, Obama just uses it'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes, you CAN solve SOME minor problems with printing more money. I wasn't clear enough. But you CANNOT solve the current U.S. economic crisis by printing money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the "tldr" version of that is, monetary expansion is fine in a liquidity trap.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yuna - indeed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would simply plunge the country into a 2nd depression.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and one might argue for 4. CPI is artificially low due to the exclusion of energy, food'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and i agree it was gonna be any sitting commander in chief that  killed obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'energy prices are too volatile for them to be included in CPI.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Because Obama would totally kill himself. Stellar logic!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'and i agree it was gonna be any sitting commander in chief that  killed bin laden'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bush looked for eight years'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i was not for off though'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. bush didn't look. that's the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Er, I don't believe you can solve fundamental problems by printing money. I just meant it looks like it works because there are special conditions which reduce the negative effects at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tinada - it's *very* *very* complex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'we have a president that thinks that '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were to "print" money and build infrastructure, you'd boost the economy without significant inflationary effects, up to a certain point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know your obvious clinical insanity, Jaxerel? You DID build that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'another 4 years we are gonna be  totaly screwed to the point that we will have to  vote in a republocan'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because obama's totally tanked the economy that was doing brilliantly in jan 2009?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'he did waht'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Didn't you hear, Kraken. Obama is a meanie for not retroactively saving that car plant that tanked BEFORE he assumed office.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what was the growth rate in 4Q 2008.. oh yeah, -8.9%, the worst since the 1930s'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Presidents and presidential candidates can retire AND save companies retroactively now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'yet he gave them the loans'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oh, you mean there wasn't a president between 2000 and 2008?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the prices of X increase more than average prices over long periods of time, a CPI excluding X will understate true inflation, irrespective of the volatility of X.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Following the same Mitt Romney logic, Obama retroactively plunged the country in a recession!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama is clearly the 12th Doctor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. GEORGE BUSH gave GM/etc the loans'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the first part, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'then, obama did their chapter11'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'out of idle curiosity, what was the growth rate in q3 2008'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'felt - about -3% if i remember rightly. will check if you want'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would depend on what your "X" is. If it isn't included, it's most likely some fringe product what really doesn't affect things'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(which)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'felt - it went -3.7, -8.9, -6.7, -0.7'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I may be wrong on this, but I hear that some humans occasionally need food and energy :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, those are included in the headline figures, just not core'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'so i love my mom but she has no insurance  she is  gonna die'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'debate after that, it has been postive (although not high enough) since then'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'anyway.. lunchtime.. have fun.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'is that how it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fact is, most western economies are producing well under capacity now'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Speaking of lunch, I officially am sick of waffles. I could barely get through my 4th waffle. How do U.S. citizens stomach these?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'why does it matter who can stomach them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i am talking about  rught here right now'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'just ask why anybody can stomach them. No need to attach your crap to it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The first one is delicious with the right toppings but then they just get less good with each bite.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... A better question is who eats 4 waffles'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no one in their right mind eats 4!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I should mention that these waffles are approximately 66% the size of a "U.S. Sized" one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's more like 2,5ths of a waffle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'it is  more like 13th of a  ball gag'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'I am 43'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Shenanigans!'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'is what i laugh so much'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'the years i know'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'oh i am 43 years old  '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaxerel: 'i do filliw  the history'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh joy, my glorious government wants to push secret trials on us, in the name of covering up dodgy secrets'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canyon part'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'For an obama-phone laugh, check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJA6hn0Pnwo&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I love how the President today said that if your company breaks the sequestration law, the Labor department will pay your legal bill. I'm sorry Mr. President, exactly where in the Constitution do you have that kind of power? to pledge public funds to protect people who broke the law. Wow, I mean this is Chicago politics big time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he got the power from the same place Bush got his to allow him to violate the 4USAmend rights of citizens placed in Gitmo'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yep, the same power Obama is using to keep them there. Gitmo still isn't closed, people are still there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is call executive power, which the USSC refuses to strike down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, power alright. To tell people as the chief executor of the law, to go and break it cause I've got it covered. What?! '
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'How can you expect people to follow laws if the chief executor is saying it is OK to break them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Presidents are not above the law. No one is. Let's keep it that way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, while I don't agree with what he is doing in re, I don't see why you are yelling at him in particular, he is doing what presidents do. So if as they did, so he can. Blame it on the USSC, not that their hands are clean, since they do, enact laws, in violation of the constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, I admit that the USSC has warped the definition of the Constitution a lot. But, when you say I'll cover you if you break the law, and its your job to enforce it (which you signed an oath to do with 100,000 people watching you on the Natnl Mall)....'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Andrew Jackson'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'USSC violation of the constitution in Gore vs Bush was watched by more and they didn't care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean what limit does Obama really have on power now? Can he just say, "Oh I'm not going to give up power in 2013.. or 2017"..'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you really believe that though'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, I mean he can tell people to break laws and he'll protect them. What does the law mean to him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Some we follow, some we dont?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Whichever ones he wants.. theres really no limit on the power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which law is he advocating breaking?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Sequestration'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'carbon sequestration?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are mechanisms in place to do just that, November. Read the FIMA charter. However, presidents seem to be wise enough that they will no take advantage over unless it will  really work. Bush almost did it after 9/11. It would take an event like that for the president to get away with it, even temporarily.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No, defense cut law'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'FEMA*'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what particular aspect of the law is he advocating breaking?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You mean that you "can never let an emergency go to waste" (to grab more power)?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Sequestration says that on November 1st, defense contractors have to notify people of layoffs if they will lose their job due to budget cuts. Obama said today to companies to not worry about it because the Labor dept. will use public funds to protect companies that don't follow that law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what FEMA allows is for a president to cause a disaster so that he can suspend the constitution and assume military power. But even the idiots out on the streets might wake up and object to that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Right Anaristos, its all a matter of how far do you think you can really go?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama is never going to take over the U.S. Government'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't see the false flags, despite things like Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, 9/11 etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think Obama is clearly doing this to protect Virginia where there are MANY defense contractor jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '9/11 was close, but Bush got cold feet at the end. But, had the blame landed squarely at his door, he would probably would have gone through with it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Still, its an abuse of power, to put yourself ahead of the law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Once the elections pass, he'll rescind that and oops.. heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Talk about skidding over the line....'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no line, the USSC refuses to strike down executive power, so he is operating within his job description.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all hand-picked'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not separate checks and balances'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, its a shame. But anaristos, the USSC may be wrong in not acting, but that doesnt make what the president does is right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Presidents are allowed unlimited pardons correct?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'correct within the bounds of political backlash'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well I admit I'm no constitutional expert, but I think so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The separation of powers is an illusion; it's not that they're "allowed"'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'which is why pardons always come at the end of a term'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides executive power, the presidents can also issue NSAMs, which have the power of laws.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'BTW for all you obama-phone fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJA6hn0Pnwo&feature=related I laughed soooo hard that I was truly ROFLMAO.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think you mean obama-philes'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No, its hilarious.. they set it against Bananaphone..'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJJKW7ea1oc this isn't too bad either'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'is that the Remix G? that was good too'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, my opinion is that since Bush got re-elected, Obama should, too. Obama hasn't done a 10th damage to the US that Bush did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're the same thing - following orders from the CFR'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who wins is strictly for the eyes of the people'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and frankly, Romney smells just like Bush to me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because they're all related'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe they should do a DNA check on Romney make sure he is not a GW clone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Explain how they're the same? They don't have the same background or family at all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '10th cousin twice removed'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Illuminati keeps it all in the family'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually Obama and Bush are close in family too. Obama is an 8th cousin of Dick Cheney.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does ancestry have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'nothing'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't let outsiders in the Inner Circle'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To, you know, actually lead'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'ooo we're all separated by 6 degrees of contact and 15 degrees of family... not a shock.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if we apply the 6-degree-of-separation test, we are all cousins.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like when Jesse Ventura won governorship of MN'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think thats a "i know such and such" not related anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They keep it all in-the-know - when an outsider comes in, they monitor them'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it apply to blood relations, too. Gene pools might be large, but they are finite and we all came from the same place so we are all related. Except the few that were spawned by outer space visitors, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Call it conspiracy? listen to Jesse Ventura'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Navy SEAL Vietnam, knew the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama thinks hes going to lose the debate. He could act like a monkey the whole time and somehow MSNBC will *still* find a way to make it seem like it was a complete and utter destruction of Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They cross-examine him under the White House'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tail him to Cuba, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want outsiders'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but Fox is the #1 rated news broadcaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and they carry water for Romney like it's their job (it is)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well Fox was placed on Earth to prove that US tv viewers are idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Those debates are just silly. Still, 15% of people according to Rasmussen can change their minds.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You dont have to make the point that I'm using the debate channel to say this, I get the irony'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the one thing that makes the debates not very useful is that Candidates don't get called out for lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US can be thankful that my pow is definitely a minority one :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7R1_ixtlyc'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'pov, that is :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stop watching the "debate" cartoons - it's all premeditated'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that anyone who wants to rule me should first submit to my "acid" test.'
T3/r7/2012-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think we should start the spin now, we can make headlines before MSNBC and FNC do... just start declaring the winnner 2 days in advance!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like obama's lead is narrowing'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you're talking about the polls, real clear politics average has it at about the same as it has been'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just going on what the ones reported today were'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were american i'd want me one of those obamaphones'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah,I tend to look at the realclearpolitics.com website, they average some of the leading polls'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, here I went and bought a new one, I didn't realize they were handing them out :('
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are soooo screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, we're slowly turning into the uk'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got a whole different spin going on on it'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'involving guns, corruption, people being disappeared, alsort'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you checked out unskewedpolls.com?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is there such a thing as an unskewedpoll?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we just perfected our government dependance and public dumbing down program over 75 years, so could do it slower so that people wouldn't notice'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, I will look at the website'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like that site because it shows statistics being used to show a bias in favour of romney instead of a bias in favour of obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know what these liberals are like, if you don't agree with them and hand them all your money, you're evil, you're racist and you should be in prison'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think hitler, but black lesbian with a smile and a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I'm not sure that I agree with their poll choices, but their approval rating seems to be consistent with everything else I've seen'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and historically, an incumbent president will garner the amount of votes equal to his approval rating'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work like that here in the U K'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll vote the same 2 sets of criminals in regardless, because the british people, much like the americans... are fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was speaking for a generalisation'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wasn't it Einstein or someone similarly cerebral who said that the definition of insanity is performing the same actions and expecting different results'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or something similar'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZAe1xpkOWw'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dosset's on the march, the empire's on the run'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then what's the definition of persistence? :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the season finale of Doctor Who was dumb'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice link, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Deniers gon deny'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't want to say that popular vote means nothing, but I think a lot of people believe that popular vote is what decides a race'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In all honesty, distill it to what it is: some number printed in newspaper and TV'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that finale episode really sucked'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watching that is a bit like falling down a rabbit hole'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's wtfbbq + about 100%'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy who wins is the guy whose paid the software companies that program the voting machines'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be better off going back to our method - paper votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yay hanging chads!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, you've lost me there'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the bush vs. gore, where the did all the recounting'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by hand?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Recount? Did you watch them recount it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and they recounted, and recounted, then had to start deciding if a partial punch was a vote or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ie. a hanging chad'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, they started counting by hand'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why punch, why not cross with a pen ffs?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All farce'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's preselected, and there's irrefutable testemony to the fact it's rigged'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'since when did you come to the conclusion that government = common sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'testimony too'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all sounds like "let's make this more complicated than it needs to be so we can screw with it"!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well not to worry, gold touched on 1100gbp today ($1775)'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it seems to me, I also remember something about one of the tickets being really messed up, arrows pointing at the other page and everything, think it might have happened in florida'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'cause all the crazy stuff goes down in florida'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given up all hope of having my own place before it all crashes down, it's fucking impossible'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'country's been screwed up far too badly already'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right now i'll have to settle for not ending up glowing in the dark or succumbing to a bioplague'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama says now that then'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'the government doesn't care about the people in N.O.?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I remember sending all kinds of aid there after Katrina.. why would he say that we didn't care?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, this is just a pandering video. A politician pander? Never!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's not right, but I don't think he's the only one who does it'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, I think the concern I have is that he used the race card over and over again. Now, I play cards, and I'm pretty sure once you use a card.. in most games, it cant be used again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'in a lot of games you shiffle the discard pile back into the deck once you're out of cards to draw :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the race card will always be used, just like the gender card, untill it stops working'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'So its more like a Magic the Gathering card.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hah'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'you don't do that in magic. you do that in Uno though'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'or in Poker'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I use to love uno'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not that that has anything to do with playing race cards, but still'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well I'm debating which card game is the race card most akin to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'go fish'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah or "war"'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'it's like candy land, because there aren't too many distinct cards in the game, they're just all used a lot over and over'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It just keeps coming back over and over in a game without end '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Oo, I like that one Lokathor'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hehe, he's so phony sounding in this video. Obama doesn't do a southern accent well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it mostly sounds like he has a cold '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That was my first thought, Razkin'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's just going nasally, or something'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Still, even with a cold you don't change your cadence. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'obama's voice, really nasally, would be hilarious. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'he draws out his vowels.. you don't do that with a cold.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but again, I think that's something that any good speaker does in trying to relate to their audience, it's just the fact that he's contradicting things that he said later'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and their pretty significant things for a president'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, I just wish I owned an island that I could go be a hermit on'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama changes opinions, facts, statements all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Apparently he changes his voice too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, the bastard, why couldn't he be like other presdents: Nixon, LBJ, Reagan or Bush?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe Calvin Coolidge, who said like 15 words a day. All monotone :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact is the US doesn't like nice, honest presidents. Look how they treated Carter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, I agree, all politicians do it, I don't know why we act surprised, or why people actually try and pretend like it doesn't happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an JFK'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and*'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I'd like to see Obama use that voice at the debate tomorrow. MSNBC has already declared him the victor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe he can win southern states over with that southern accent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i don't see how an honest person could be elected president of the us'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he has less baggage than Rumney...'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he doesn't have to win the southern states to win the election'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think it can happen Halicka'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and we know why the Southern states won't vote for him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I don't know, Obama has a very colorful past. Most people don't realize his background.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not sure I agree with that, Ana, at least not at this point'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think that was a strenght of his the first time, but this election I think that's less true'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'really'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well he really could use Florida.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or at least, as perceived by the public'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'I just don't see it. I think to get elected you have to tell people too much of what they want to hear. And you have to speak too vaguely. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the South will ignore his race and vote solely on his merits... I supposed they will have a moratorium on hangings until after the election.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, he doesn't have to win the south, go look at most elections, by and large, they're predominatly red states'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's beside the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well thats how he won last time. He used hope and change vaguely so everyone could project on to that every dream they had, and suddenly Obama is the answer. Its actually been done many times before in the past.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you think that if one votes for Rumney, that hope of change will come about? Are you that silly?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I don't think much will change'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hope and Change and Tippecanoe Too'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think part of the problem is that Obama made some wildly opptomistic claims the first time through, and people expected those changed, as they haven't happened, a lot of people have become disenchanted'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I think Romney runs the same risk'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Depends, I really want to hear more concrete plans. Not attacks on one another.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'romney and obama have both been super vague this cycle. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a lot of the commentators are saying that'll be one of the big deciding factors, who can be more specific and clear'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'My wife does too. She's just undecided for that reason. I know that Romney has a 52 page economic plan boiled down to 5 points, but talk about them more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Like tell how you're going to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'after the last election cycle, I don't think people want a message of puppies and rainbows, they want a gameplan'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'I don't see either campaign offering concrete plans. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hopefully that'll change with the debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'too much opportunity for the other side to spin and take things out of context and run it into the ground. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well Obama offers vision. I mean its all about how we're all in it together and we're all going to have 100,000 dollars and a private jet. But, no real "how do we get there from here"'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's the problem with 'forward' the slogan. Where are we going? I get into a car every day and I know where I am going and how I am going to get there roughly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Just saying, go forward! doesnt really mean anything concrete without a destination'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, neither did hope and change :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'and even if they did propose plans, those plans would utterly ignore the realities of both economics and congress to suggest that the president cant unilaterally wave a magic wand and make certain numbers happen. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'exactly. Halica is probably right'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, thats true to a point. Presidents should lead though... '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Doesnt mean it will work out, but they have to take ownership and run with it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, they can set the tone and the focus of a governemtn, but they don't sit in a room and pull all the levers , so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'man I can't type tonight'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And lets keep it that way :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama is a good speaker, and he seems like a nice guy. But, there is something to be said about that empty chair.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'All vision and no plan, doesn't go anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'obama's 08 campaign was really a thing of brilliance. when you look at it carefully there really was a little bit for everybody. he's extremely good at giving impressions. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, but gimmicks, cleverly worded speeches, vageries.. if we fall for that again, not shame on him, shame on us. We need solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still think that whole election was a referendum on Bush, any republican candidate wasn't going to win, there was no way they could distance themselves far enough from him, and the public was just tired of the war and everything that was going on'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I may be wrong, but I still think that's a huge part of what went on'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'do you think romney provides those solutions?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'going back to your point earlier, I don't know that he's been specific enough to say'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He does, he just needs to be more clear and specific. And fast, too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I saw a show on Science channel that had this guy who said violence worldwide was actually lower now than in previous eras.  He actually wrote an 800-page book to make his argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Indeed. It just doesnt seem that way because everything is shared so quickly now a days'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I would guess it depends on how he bench marks that'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'presumably that's why he needs 800 pages to make his point. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, we've been at war for ten years now, but there were battles in WW1 where more people died in war than those that have died through this whole war on terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I don't know how you judge that'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m sure it was a thrilling book :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think he's explaining that there is actually more peace in the world today than in times past.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'easy, nowadays we're all total pussies who can't handle a little death.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'course, that's probably somewhat cynical of me'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I know it seems maybe contradictory, but he's got a point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Life was much more brutal for a higher percentage of people in the past.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'totally forgot that there are monsters to be killed here'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'got so caught up in high minded political drama'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like taking short breaks in the grind, I'm one that tends to cp/quest to level, so it's always nice just to stop for a few :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its a good break. To talk to such fine people as yourselves.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't been called a fine person in a long time :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i've got a friend in local politics, and the amount of image manipulation, cherry picking, word twisting, and general nonsense that goes on even at the lowest levels is crazy. from what she says, it gets worse the higher up you go. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they always say that you rise to your level of incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i've got a very cynical attitude about the possibilities of honest debate at the statewide and national levels. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'sorry bout the buzz kill. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no buzz kill, just started killing mobs again :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'me too.. triple xp'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'specially when I saw there was double exp going on'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i should probably get in on some of that '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I love Newt Gingrich, though I'm so thankful he didn't win the nomination'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, good speaker. Not a good politician.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He's as divisive as Obama is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'aardwolf has the best political system. campaigns consist of me killing tax collectors. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it was funny, I loved Newt, Herman Cain, and Ron Paul, but there's no way I would have voted for any of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hate that mob'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know why, but I hate him so much'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'you got something against goblins?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh, Ron Paul. He's pretty funny. I love him, he's like 80% worth listening to but the other 20% its like, man you're on mars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's probably unhealthy that I have such a strong reaction against a text mob, but still'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Did you guys hear the latest Gaffe from Biden?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ryan capitalized on it, he's going to destroy Biden in that debate and MSNBC won't even be able to save Biden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know I did, but I can't remember it right now, old age and all'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'biden's got some experience at this politics thing. i wouldn't put it past him to hold his own. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'What was it? I missed it'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, he's just gaffe prone. And if you're clever, you'll pick up on it and slam on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He said that the middle class was buried in the past four years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Darn right, because of your and Obama's policies!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'He didnt' blame Bush?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'On this, we agree Biden. On this! :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I don't think it takes much wit or cleverness to exploit a gaffe :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That's why its a gaffe :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its the way you do it Quad. Let me provide an example.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it takes wit and cleverness to not gaffe'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not too bad... at least it didn't show that he hated the middle class...'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh, every time I comment I forget what mob I'm hunting and what zone i"m in'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yeah if you put me in front of a TV camera, you'd all think I was a socialist Nazi dictator that helped George W Bush take over the world and led to the South's secession'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And I'd just be trying to say good morning'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I still remember when Kerry in 2004 in a debate rattled on about Bush and at the very end he said that Bush used his lumber mills to chop down trees that destroyed the environment. Bush had only one response, "I own a lumber company? That's news to me!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'er... which led...'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean, its the way that you turn the gaffe around quickly or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and (zombie) hitler would then proceed to blame you for the holocaust, when you were just trying to say hi to the audience!'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'possibly my favorite part of aardwolf is the way i have to kill the most random people/things. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, zombie hitler'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'd probably fall for it and take the blame too :('
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'like when i killed a babysitter wanted for the murder of 15 people. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that reminds me, Infectenator 2 is out, you can have a zombi Kim Jong Ill'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's like a quest I had yesterday, had to go kill a baby that was wanted for the murder of like 8 people'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's one mean baby'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He's the baby from the Etrade ads. Those ads kill me'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a couple of those were cute, but now they kind of just creep me out'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a 5th degree blackbelt of Toddle-kwon-do'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No seriously, they really do, I hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the one with the clown was great'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'the onion's been great lately. they had an article about a baby losing faith in humanity after 6 days. '
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I've disliked those ads from the start. I'm probably in their demographic too'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hate that carfax commercial with the girl and the singing hair'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that creeps me out more than the babies'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I remember it, so I guess it did it's job'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'argh, I forgot what I was hunting again'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i don't even watch tv anymore. i live in a swing state. i don't think i could handle the commercials. besides, who needs visuals when you have intricately drawn ascii maps?'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I gave up t.v. for like 5 years, then I got married'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Watching this video, I have to ask the question on the Stafford act. The local money that wasn't given to the people was probably not given because, well after a disaster, all the local government money is pretty much spent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'now that i think about it, i don't think aardwolf's world is a happy place'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at any one time, there's 300+ mass murderers running around the world, no it's not happy'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'PCs are really evil people'
T3/r7/2012-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and as we kill all these thousands of poor text people, we become more powerful'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, it's all kicking off now, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DOJ busts Russian spy ring within the FBI'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey bombs targets inside Syria'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest poll R 47% O 47%'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't some polls have R up by like 11 still?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not without unskewing, no'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of class or sector specific ones giving him that kind of lead and more'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turnout will probably be key'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the particularly high turn out for democrats last time, i doubt they'll turn out as much this time after the huge disappointment herr oberfuhrer has been'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, while people are distracted with the illusory election, shit is going down'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Most polls seem to be based on an even higher democrat turnout this year'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is supremely unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd need to hand out a shit load of free obamaphones for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you can sum the race up to a foreigner'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dems got a lot of crossover last time, republicans are likely to get a significant rollback of those, effectively making a bunch of dems vote republican simply because they awakened to some stark truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're poor, a communist, delusional, or a fucktard, vote obama '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're rich, a neocon, delusional, or a fucktard, vote romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama doesn't even think the 47% can get themselves dressed in the morning without help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he's right'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Mr Tyler said: If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what that russian spy ring is all about'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, spying.  What else did you think it was?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, but within the fbi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly, the US intelligence services have been compromised pretty much since day 1'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spying isn't just all swiping of military secrets or restricted goods (ie, nuke stuff)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we'll see - they normally keep this stuff under wraps'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things have been quite openly aggressive and warmongery, anyone would have though that the economy was going down the toilet or somethin'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're looking for good old-fashioned dirt on "the guys on the other side of the negotations table", and they might want to figure out what deals and conversations we're having with their frenemies/enemies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'PCs are really evil people'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PCs?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i didn't mean to say that'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i meant to go down,but my client thought it better to debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in police constables?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'as in player characters'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't understand'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or political correctness?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can't be political correctness, because it's gorn mad'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'as in i didn't even mean to say it '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'protective custody?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'I mean me. okay? I'M EVIL AND I COULDN'T LOOK MYSELF IN THE MIRROR SO I WANTED TO BLAME PCs. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Halicka sobs in misery.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'and the answer is yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'polish catholic?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posh criminal?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'worst kind of catholic. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polyglotic camel'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that reminds me - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206008/Probe-launched-Polish-priest-gets-young-children-lick-whipped-cream-knee-creepy-school-initiation.html'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes, there are pictures'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'no i don't want to see them. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '/really/ fucking creepy'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're setting up 29mpix cctv cameras over UK now'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'that's also creepy'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Halicka: 'i looked at the pictures and now i'm scarred :('
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"While some people have expressed shock over the pictures, which were posted on the schools website, the parents of some pupils have come out in support of the priest."'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it just me or does the girl in the green shirt look like perhaps she was pissed on?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that sentence has more than one wtf?! moments'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure i'd classify it as 'distubing''
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disturbing, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're used to that sort of treatment?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perverse, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the daily mail is a pretty despotic rag, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'on another subject: i might consider this offer, but only because of the good cause - http://i.imgur.com/itS9G.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '19 minutes left...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yep :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Suitable name, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'MSNBC has already declared Obama the winner.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'Good, Romney doesn't deserve it'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what about fox? :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, its good we have a news channel that's basically the propaganda arm of the administration. Yeah, that's worked out so well in the past :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where did MSNBC declare Obama winner of the 1st debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Are you listening to them right now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox News outright just lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. Why would I listen to them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Humour?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How long will this debate be and will there be breaks?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have danishes to put in the oven.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '90mins'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Here we go :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'An emphasis on "Specifics"? Mittens has already lost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hah, Obama offers nothing in specifics.. all dreams, all vision.. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'Are you kidding, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure the health care thing is pretty detailed... also budgets, etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that might get him killed... That's what JFK offered and earned a bullet because of it :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Explain specifically how you would help small businesses Mr. President? How would you reduce deficit. How? Specific.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'budgets'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, they only get 2 minutes each.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I know, thats why they have web sites :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I'm glad Obama wants to follow Romney's ideas. Maybe we should just make Romney president instead :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, hey, Mittens is lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm shocked. Shocked and appalled.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who cares?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Healthcare prices have gone up under Obama?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They have for me.. and I have less choice in my plans at work too'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Healthcare prices always go up.. its like certainty that the sun will go up'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and bush, and clinton, and the first bush, and reagan.  Health care prices have been doing nothing but going up almost since politics discovered how effective TV was.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for Romney to ask a question.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's so such thing as fucking clean coal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He can do whatever he wants, not do what the Moderator tells him to do'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes there is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's coal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All they're doing is REDUCE emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which leaves CO2, and we're currently bottling that up via sequestering.  Instantly 100% clean coal, and all we had to do was pump smoke into the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What magical studies would those be?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I never heard this 5 trillion tax plan, was it an MSNBC fantasy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'This isnt the same economy as Bill Clintons. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think that's obvious :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK so why didn't you do that over the past 4 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'that's the bottom line'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'why didn't you do any of this shit already?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because of the Party of No?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you not understand how the filibuster works?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ok so get off your ass with your SUPER MAJORITY in CONGRESS for 2 years and DO it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'poor poor leader'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did Obama EVER have a super majority?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you need one in BOTH chambers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the first two years'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'For the first two years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, the first, like, four months.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you cannot pass laws with Congress alone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ok so 59-41.. you mean your policies are so polarized you can't convince one GOP to join you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On the left, tour, you will see one more person who doesn't understand the 2 party system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'so much for unity... blue states red states united states eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you just hide your head in the sand for the past 4 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans vowed to make Obama a 1-term president the second he won the election and promised to obstruct him at every turn.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They voted "No" to pretty much any bill he or the Democrat put forth on PRINCIPLE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well Yuna, you have to understand a supermajority is a scary thing when EITHER party has it. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we need some white states.  White power, ftw!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '30 or so Republicans voted "No" to a bill that allowed female government workers to report rapes committed upon them while stationed overseas because the Democrats wrote it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean democrats were scared in October of 2001 when Bush had 97% approval rating'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU NEED A SUPER MAJORITY IN BOTH CHAMBERS TO PASS LAWS EASILY.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the FUCK did Bush ever have 97% approval rating?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Nope, only one .. the senate where filibusters can happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'After 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He carried into 2002 too'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'and won more power in congress'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the Democrats NEVER had a super majority in the Senate. So you're WRONG.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'polling indicated it was very unpopular to critisize the leader of a nation that just got traumatized.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source for your RIDICULOUS claim that Bush has EVER had a 97% approval rating?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They did, until Scott Brown won Teddy' Kennedy's seat'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. They did NOT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'weird, opposite parties not getting along or agreeing. sounds just like what we have in office now'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They had 57 seats. That is NOT a 60-seat super majority.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Basic math seems to fail you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'this moderator is shitty at shutting these folks up lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop LYING, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think Fox picked him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did Mitt Romney just use the Moral Card?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who hates gays, women and DOGS?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, yes he did'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'here comes obama's remarks. same shit we just listened to for 15 minutes...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And 47% of the U.S. voters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '47% of us are evil though'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I used to feel alone as a gay man getting morally blasted by repubs, now 47% of us are targets, wooo!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'hate 47% of voters? no, he doesn't hate them. he just thinks your busted ass should contribute'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, 47% of us are just plain retarded, can't even get dressed right in the mornings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've been paying taxes since I was 16.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obamaphone :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, I'm not in the 47% apparently, I make enough to pay income tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This year is the first year in more than 10 years that I have not paid income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but people with payroll tax pay more as a percentage of their gross than romney, and ARE the so called busted asses'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and don't make me use my Mom voice!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Hey, Obama knows something I don't know. That spending money makes your credit card bill go down'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I rather think he does hate us :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'son of a bitch, I've been wasting money sending it to Visa all this time...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still wanna know in what alternate universe the Democrats EVER held a Super Majority in the Senate after the 2008 election.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh, apparently you can charge wars to Visa'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhh didn't they for just a little bit after al franken finally won the minesota seat?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'they did in 2008-2010. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'ohh, the ole' "it's bush's fault!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. They had 57 seats. With 2 independent seats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's 1 seat short of a SUper Majority if you factor in the two INDEPENDENT seats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'flip would you stop being so flippant, it undermines your credibility'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they should have trotted out that black hulk hogan guy'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '59 seats with two of them being INDEPENDENTS who agreed with the Democrats MOST of the time does not a Super Majority make!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yuna: it didn't become 58 with two indies when al franken got in?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'in 2009?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'neither side is willing to follow basic economics. But at least the democrats are a lot closer'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. But that's STILL not a fucking Super Majority. Because that's 2 INDEPENDENTS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it hit 60 or 61, but then what's his name took a heart attack or something to the knee.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'ouch'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'this hits obama hard.. well here we go, bill clinton math'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '16-10 trillion = 6.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, those two independents caucused with the democrats... for all that is worth'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't mean they WERE Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it means they got to dictate policy!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Same thing, if you vote D all the time, you're a D.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that the Democrats got a Super Majority.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except they DIDN'Tn vote with the Democrats all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yet there were really no filibusters either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe a few, I have to check on that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I don't recall Obamacare being filibustered.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh who cares, super majority this or that, the repubs were able to prevent cloture a lot getting a blue dog democrat, thats the democrats point, the repubs point is the lack of miraculous recovery of the hole they created is totally the democrats fault since they had something like a super majority'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was, after the fact.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'either way, the repubs DID often succeed at filibustering'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, nobody even READ the bill until it was passed'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because some Republicans voted with the Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But only after the Democrats were forced to gut Obamacare and remove a lot of the original legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's all like watchin wwe anyways... demo's act like they hate repubs and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a sharp recovery wouldn't have been miraculous, except from a political viewpoint. The economic problem was really simple.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Nice dodge on the $1,000,000,000,000 deficit per year'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'nice mental trick with listing out all the 0s'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well I think people should know how much a trillion is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Well, I'm not sure you're qualified to make such an assertion Sonshi, moreover I doubt anyone is'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all that was needed was to return the country to productivity and hang the cost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's Romney's magical plan to get rid of that, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Cut taxes and spending, more revenue comes in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Worked before. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm still waiting for the sources for that Bush EVER had a 97% approval rate, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single economic study on Romney's plan calls it unrealistic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It was really high.. maybe up in the 90s. I remember it just after 9/11.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'maybe for the 5 seconds between him being told about 9/11 and the realization he's holding the book uspide down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cutting taxes and spending are both not revenue-positive'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't cut taxes and spending and then expect more revenue to come in. We've had decades of Trickle Down Economics under various Republican Presidents. It didn't work then, it's not goign to work now!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that was a smooth move by Romney suggesting Obama was all over the place, but they're both hopping from this to that'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'there it was 90% on sep. 21 2001'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sigh, stupid ad hominens'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it might be hard for americans, but maybe their politicians need to listen to people who actually know how to run economies'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'still frighteningly high.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"There"? Where? Source?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: '25%?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lokathor falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Sonshi, you bring a lot of self assurance when many people are at loggerheads, experts and all, over the matter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sonshi, first you have to get a half-decent pres which won't happen as long as the power that be stay in power'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's your source, November? Apparently you found one. SO why not link to it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the experts are paid cronies.  NOBODY has any idea what the markets will do from day to day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the assumption is that they run the economy inexpertly by accident...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-George-Bush.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'last decent pres the states had was jfk'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'all the reat are puppets'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'who cares? people got behind their leader in times of trouble, thats more reflective of our collective humanity than his abilities'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '90% on sep 21 2011.. i said october, sorry was off 10 days'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '90% for, like, 2 days.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and he wasn't exactly operating with clean hands...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ok will you shut up now :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'your boy is losing it on stage'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope, because now we know you play loose with the facts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '-nods anaristos- it takes a lot of soap to get cum off'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'this isn't even coherent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what we did at home was basically to assure economic entities that demand would be supported, no matter the cost. This in effect paradoxically reduced the cost of the stimulus required by restoring economic confidence, even though a stimulus as large as necessary was virtually guaranteed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'WTF do you want to talk about Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'give the man time to say something'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Bush had a 90% approval rate during a very brief window in 2001" -> "Bush had a 97% approval rate in 2001". "The Democrats had 58 seats in the Senate in 2009, with 2 Independents caucusing with them" -> "The Democrats had a Super Majority in the Senate in 2008-2010".'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but you can't pass laws without the 2 houses...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lol anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do not outright lie. You just obfuscate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well a party can have 100% of all the seats in one house, but if they don't control the other...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure you can.  Executive orders.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'When did healthcare costs go down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they didn't, ever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He said that he SAVED money, not that the costs went down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'When did anything in cost go down in the last 4 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, an analogy - if you're a businessman with a business with 10m in revenue, 11m in spending, and 10m in debt... putting off necessary repairs isn't exactly going to instil confidence in your debt holders.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So now you're-reinterpreting what Obama says.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why would the cost go down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Good point, I guess in deflation. That's rare :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually deflation has happened in modern economies, just not often :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '715 BILLION dollars?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the cowardly brainless clueless muzzled USamericans got behind their incompetent leader in times of trouble -- that is more reflective of the incompetence and cowardice of the collective USA coerced by bullying cowardly media traitors'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so our loss in Purchasing Power Parity slowed considerably from the 2004-2008 years, in terms of the 2nd derivative its in the positive direction, I'd shudder to think of a return to 2004-2008 policies and lose more PPP,'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, that's not a CUT. He's still using that old LIE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's NOT 716. It's 700. ANd it's not a CUT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actualy it got worse in 2008-2012. The gap between the poor and rich kept growing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the Arabs started pumping more oil this year to drive prices down, the US oil companies suddenly shut down all the refineries for maintenance, then when they came back online there occurred 2 major explosions at 2 refineries. Result? When the Arabs opened the spigots, gas sold in CA for 3.239 a gallon, now it is selling or 4.199 a gallon. Get the idea? '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, that's Obama's fault, November. It's his fault he's not a WIZARD.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'but Obama IS a wizard! http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2012/08/14/14-barack-obama.o.jpg/a_560x375.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Both those programs, SS and Medicare aren't long term feasible. We have to solve them. Some people will have to take it on the chin. That's the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'GAH! My live feed is buffering!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"times of trouble" seems to be a license by the leaders and sycophant bootlickers to be tyranical incompetent greedy and brutal'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'actually, november, it was 14.2 trillion GDP as PPP in 2008, and 15.2 in 2012'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think it went up and you're wrong, I'm looking at the graph right now'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'did the same study that gives obama his facts draw your graph?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "2008 financial collapse" was one of the many "rewards"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he should have at least tried to raise taxes on the rich somewhat, while embarking on infrastructure projects to soak up some "excess" labour'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not refuting your statement, just curious'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SOmeone give me a good live feed. Mine keeps buffering all of a sudden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'because that would hurt your credibility'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its from CIA world factbook'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if it wouldn't have passed congress, he should've proposed something worthwhile...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'November, I'll say this for you. If you, after viewing that the Republicans have done in the last 44 years, want them in power, you are either in someone's pocket or your elevator does not open on all floors.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He believes in Trickle Down Economics, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I don't claim to be an expert in medicare, but it seems one reason the costs are so high is that we are spending large sums of money to prolong life by relatively short amounts'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but for all his failures, the republicans are completely off their rocker when it comes to economics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there was an interesting article saying the rise of electronic medical health records empowered health providors to bill more effectively, ie charge more for the same amount'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'oh I saw that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, adding $6tril to the deficit is the way to go. How much further until we're Greece?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Just keep spending like there's no tomorrow eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'same amount of service*'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but November, Clinton, a Democrat, left a surplus at the Treasury... Who followed him and not only spent all that money but drove the country into their worst deficit level?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the penalty of not spending large sums of money is to sink back into recession. Government spending IS a part of the GDP'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even comparing similar social stratas in the us to other advanced countries, the us spends more and gets less in terms of life expectancy... granted, some of this can be explained by obesity, etc. but obesity is also high in many of these other advanced countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And who followed him and added $6trillion, he's on stage now, not Clinton or Bush'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so I don't buy the argument that the cost is from spending lots to prolong life a bit'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as you well know, he followed himself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The moderator has no control over this heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and let me ask you, Mr. Republican, what was Obama supposed to do with the shit Bush left behind? Do you think that all those bank collapses were accidental? Let's not forget that his father presided over the collapse of the S&Ls, where Whacker Bush, a sibling, made out like a bandit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'give him the ability to cut off the mic'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that would be awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November things Obama had a Super Majority in the Senate in 2008-2010 (a blatant lie) and that Trickle Down Economics works. There's no helping him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans believe in a government by the rich for the rich to the rich -- that the goverrnment is there to support the rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one thing I've learnt from american presidential debates is that the impression voters get from them isn't strongly correlated with who was right. I suppose that's true of limited-time, formal debates in general...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'McCain had a fine plan. Cut spending, and de-regulate. Reform healthcare through spending accounts, interstate insurance sales and tort reform'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trickle down was implemented by Reagan (A replublican, in case you didn't know) to reward big business. Big business has not allowed crap to trickle down. Before Reagan there were no noticeable homeless, they didn't start showing up in the streets until he got re-elected.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if mccain had cut govt employment any more than obama did, the us would be close to breaking point by now...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(see Spain)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Mr. Trickle Down Economics. I'm suuuuure McCain's plan was brilliant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'debates... typically aren't about who makes the most reasoned, factual arguments'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Bringing our debt to $22 trillion which will be the case in 2016 will be much worse. Much worse. We're the world's reserve currency. No one can bail us out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"deregulation" permits crooks to be more blatant brazen and greedy -- with the government there to bail out their deliberate "mistakes", and to give them exclusive rights and tenure'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot magically fix the U.S. economy as it was in 2008 in 4 or 8 fucking years!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, November, let's put it all on the table. Are you willing to claim that Bush is not the creator of the mess we are in?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not when both houses are working against you!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No one person really is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'and if the U.S. becomes the champion of austerity as the fiscal hawks want, we slide into recession and among many other  things... are rewarded with reduced tax income, thus less money'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No one is really that powerful, even a president.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but Obama is one person, or is he?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the STUPIDEST SHIT I'VE HEARD THIS WEEK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'bush wasn't the creator, he was just a puppet like obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Oh he's not fully to blame either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but Obama is the president, isn't he? And you just blame that one single person for the troubles we are in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's OBAMA's fault the economy hasn't been fixed yet, but it's NOT Bush's personal fault that the economy is in the dumps!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'no I don't not entirely'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if romney wins, I fear it may be the end of the weimar republic all over again...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why do you keep saying Obama this and Obama that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The debt spending really began in 2006... with Pelosi'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Because Obama is on TV irght now Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, because you're a hypocrite, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'and he's supposed to Lead people out of troubles'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, romney's the one speaking now though!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He is NOT a fucking wizard.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It was a split screen sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, Pelosi. Because the virtuous republicans oppose spending... so let me ask you... Whose ideas was to open up the 2 military fronts that have driven the country into such debt? Please be specific, name names.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did Mittens just say that RomneyCare was good?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did he just go there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'our counrty spends more money on the military than the next top 20 nations combined... now there's an area we can reduce spending on a bit'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'BUsh added $4 trillion in 8 years, Obama $6 trillion in 4. He could have cut that in half like he promised... '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but we had to get the WMDs from Irak.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'well as someone IN the military, we could talk about what is getting cut :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If he HADN'T bailed out all of those companies, the entire world would be in a DEPRESSION right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, the world is at peace, time to cut spending on defense of the only superpower that keeps peace.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Oh wait, it's not. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, are you just willfully ignorant or are you actually medically retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you blame Obama for the 6, but not Bush for the 4. Let me ask you, had Bush not spent the 4 what would have happened?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Why is this about bush?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'nobody is saying bush didn't fuck shit up. bush was a horrible president. next topic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'This is about the big-O he's running for pres, not Bush'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'maybe if the US didn't keep picking fights...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November is clearly not blaming Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The US has done more good on the foreign stage than bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, for one, if he hadn't run a large deficit, the US might have ceased to exist as a country...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(again, see Spain)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I never said military spending isn't important, november. But the question is, where do we stop? We spend 5 times as much as the #2 ranked military nation. Is all this firepower really necessary? Especially among all these economic problems?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'good? since when?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'well the #2 nation isn't a superpower..... yet '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'ww2?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'well, depends on if that firepower saves MY life or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '*wink*'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'we can reduce military spending and still BY FAR be the most powerful military on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's actually all correct, what Romney said. I remember it well. Not one vote. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK is Romney talking about?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'November, the concept that military might is the great defence of the US is bullshit.  The US has nukes, no country is going to fight a war with them on home turf.  The US military is a foreign police force and domestic suppression force ONLY.  It has NO other reason for existing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'the US has fewer nukes than you think.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"We passed the EXACT SAME LEGISLATION, but we did it with bipartisan support, but you did it with Democrqat support only":'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't that an indictment of the REPUBLICAN party?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They have enough to wipe out the world, why would they need more?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Who said we should build more?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'BTW they have to be maintained.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'how many, november?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meaning it doesn't matter if they have less than I think, they have enough that my assessment still stands.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me be specific about Bush, the asshole claimed, knowing  that he was wrong, that Irak had WMDs, thus condemning that country to 100 of thousands of deaths and a ruined country, additionally, without any legal proof  (or even any intelligence proof) accused Afghanistan for 9/11 and opened another military front, even though the Taliban, hoping to avert the invasion, offered to turn over Bin Laden. All documented. You add to that that all his (and Chany's) cronies gained an immense wealth from these 2 military fronts, how in hell can you act as if the guy wasn't a fuck.  '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans did NOT have a plan. And how the FUCK was it bipartisan if it was "swept aside"?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is that plain enough for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well of course that's not public knowledge. BUt, Obama has been reducing our nuke supply.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Source or stfu. Also, do they have enough to wipe out the world? If so, again your point is simple bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, are you a Birther?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What point is that? No one said we should build more nukes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, the point that military spending is important'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, are you a Birther?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'We currently have close to 1200 nukes. Obama wants to reduce that to 350. 350 isn't enough to spread within the nuclear triad to maintain enough platforms to accomplish the needed missions, let alone those that are destroyed by a surprise attack'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, why does the US need more nukes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'they don't need more, but they don't need to reduce them'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who is the enemy, November? I am curious.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Never said they did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'We dont need more, but we dont need less either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'nukes are simply a detterent force. a STRONG deterrent force'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you only need to make certain that a few will survive a first strike to ensure that no country in their right mind would want to start anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please don't tell me about threats of nuclear attacks, when history has shown that the only country willing to use those devices is the US. I am willing to be, from available evidence, that things have not changed in that regard.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So here we go - I say the US military spending is purely for foreign policing and domestic suppression, as the nukes are enough to deter any foreign power. Which means military spending is NOT needed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Deterrence prevented the Cold War from becoming a hot war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if they're nuts, 10 or 10 million wouldn't make a difference to their calculations...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, are you a Birther?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US could be a total paradise if they cut military spending to merely beat the #2 by $1'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Exactly how small should the military be, and when Iran launches a nuke at Eastern Europe, should the US stop that? We spilled a lot of blood defending Europe..'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Enlighten me Yuna. What is a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why are you refusing to answer that very simple question?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the Cold War was just big business for both countries. It certainly fueled their economies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gallius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, until one ran out of fuel'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'ill check it out. afk'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Yuna wants to see the long form birth certificate" (of the birther)  (unless Yuna meant B'nai Brither)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any rogue nation fires a nuke at another country, and no one will need another casus belli...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, Iran's leaders have said repeatedly openly and publically that they want to nuke Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a very simple question, November. Do you believe President Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes or No?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They may be lying, but I don't know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you say "leaders" like they're all agreed'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well they have only one real spokesperson :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What they SAID was that IF the U.S. attacks Iran, they will RETALIATE by nuking Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If and when Iran launches a nuke, the US has more than enough military to stop them.  Even with that 'beat the #2 by a mere $1' reduction, they have enough might (and an entire world backing them) that Iran would fall in hours, not days or weeks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their chief ayatollah or whatever is opposed, for one'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why don't they check Rumney's citizenship? After all his old man wasn't born in the US...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Not if we reduce nukes to zero Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Yuna, are you an (expletive deleted)"  is similar to "November, are you a birther"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And reduce military spending to zero'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody's fucking trying to reduce the U.S.'s nukes to zero.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or military spending to zero. Stop LYING.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'to 350'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody said 0/0, the fuck is wrong with your eyes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Exactly my point, I never said we should increase military spending. Just maintain it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Everybody loves a strawman.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav tickles Remember November.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In November's eyes, 90% is the same as 97%, 58 the same as 60 and 350 the same as 0.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And *I* said reduce it to beat #2 by $1 - how about you argue the points people are making, instead of the fairies in your head'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think the use should spend 1,500,000,000,000 USD on weapons, but shit on health care... I get your point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz gets out a bucket of hot tar, a bag of feathers, a railway timetable, and looks at Yuna
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Conservative here: military spending would do well to be reduced. But so does nearly every form of spending the Liberals support. we just need less spending.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'at what point do we stop paying for people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Why are we paying for people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'healthcare, wellfare, all that stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'when is it too much?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Look, having a strong military means that the US can maintain peace. Now, it means that we get to decide what that is. However, which other country would you want as a superpower? North Korea?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the miliary, as bloated as it is, can be considered a form of welfare, since many of the members end up living on the streets after discharge.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US can maintain peace, eh? How is that going for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'North Korea can never be a superpower. It's run by clowns on smoke and mirrors.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'It is already. Thats why we're collapsing economically'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Not well in the last 4 years...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there hasn't been peace since the collapse of the USSR :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually entitlement spending is much more than military spending. (usdebtclock.org)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure from Kosovo through Iraq, the US was at war all through Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'right, so, when is entitlement spending supposed to be capped?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And right back, all the way to WWII - the US got a taste of military imperialism with Monroe, and never looked back'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'We should curve it .. means many people who are younger will not get their benefit. What is the alternative? a very weak military? collapse of economy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US has invaded Grenada, Panama, Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan. It has  also collaborated to destabilize Syria and Lybia... I hardly think that was a model for peace. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'I think we have peace. The middle eastern wars are so quiet compared to previos wars. Quit whining, citizens.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck do you call the Vietnam war?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. being present as an observer?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The middle east is falling apart. Egypt actually is concerning me more than Iran.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '(recently)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, if you live in the US there is relative peace, but ask the people where the US military is now how peaceful they think things are...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Not our fault.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'November, the US could be in the black a few times over if they only cut military to...once again...$1 over the #2 spot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what you mean that the people in Iraq dragged the US soldiers by the ears and told them to invade them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Exactly how much of the military would have to be eliminated to do that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, now he's talking about religious freedom and tolerance.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Poor, poor middle-aged white Christian man. He's soooooo persecuted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They get to keep their 'biggest in the world' penis contest, AND get to spend more money on actual important shit, like NASA, health, infrastructure, education.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Bush increased edcuation spending at the federal level more than clinton did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Life is a penis contest. There's no escaping it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, he wants Protestants to be tolerated, the rest, well you've heard of Joan D'Arc, haven't you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's a Mormon, not a Protestant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What the US needs to wake up to, being a good 50 years and still no light bulb, is that fighting without annihilating only creates issues in the future.  And their populace won't support annihilating, so they need to back the fuck off and simmer down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'My question on entitlements is this, when you give too many people too many free rides, eventually everyone one wants a free ride right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean I want my obamaphone now..'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the robotic-warfare technology means that eventually the citizens of the USA may be suppressed by (say) Corporations manufacturing and controlling the robotics-warefare '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I want my free birth control too'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I think that's part of the problem now. everyone wants their cut'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Yes November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Free this and that.. "free"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'greed plays a huge roll in the problems with our economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Time for people to start payin for shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'There reaches a point where there are too many entitlements and I have to tell you, its much worse than defense spending.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The unfunded pension plans are how many trillions now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And anyone with a brain can tell you you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Military spending in the US is by FAR their biggest bill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hey, that lady got an obamaphone, I want one too :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'More than SS + Medicare + Pensions?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what's the ratio, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '(unfunded pensions)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'SS is not a government spend, SS was paid for by those who now get it back'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sum up what everyone thinks their fair share is, and you've got twice what the country has.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'source'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'isn't the SS fund bankrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is this the last segment?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes Flip, because it was raided for other shit, like the Military'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK here we go, CBO facts:'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Medicate 760 billion, SS 774 Billion, Pensions 212 Billion.. defense 664 billion'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the left think it's fairer for the poor to receive more, while the right favours the rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so it's not funded by those that paid for it before'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '774+760+212 > 664'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'So wheres my obamaphone?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'the militar stole it'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'er, military'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah they sent it to Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually I have no problem with that. The only reasonable plan to Iran is to let the people win back their own govenrment (probably through violence, unforutnately).'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Redistribution of Wealth. SS. Socialism. Communism. All welcome in the orgy of economic collapse.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'When that happened a few years ago, Obama kept silent on that one. He could have stood up as a leader and said, "rise up! take your freedom now! We support you!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'but he did not'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so to pay off the debt, we need to spend less. where do the cuts come from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'more expensive healthcare? military cuts? less welfare checks?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'AND cut taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'we're writing bigger checks than our economy can cash'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how do you fix that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'serious question'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'Stop writing checks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK well first, on SS.. many people will have to not get their benefit back, so privatize it and then end the program within 30 years without causing a major social calamity'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you think that Romney is going to cut taxes for the middle class let me show you a bridge I have for sale.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'no solution?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not even a suggestion?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now is not the time to cut spending. You need to raise taxes on high income groups if you want to get a handle on the defeicit. Bleed away excess wealth that isn't getting spent, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll trade you my tower for your bridge, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'STOP WRITING CHECKS'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Cutting taxes and spending will increase revenue into the government, and a balanced budget we will have'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rich do not care whether the checks are unable to be cashed, as long as they don't bounce and the taxpayers is left with the tab'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(deficit)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he, like his predecessors, would ease taxes for the upper level people end-of-task.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well exactly how much should we take from them? '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SHUT UP, Mittens.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Sonshi, do you think raising taxes on folks that create jobs is the answer? serious question'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Because when we do, it will all be gone and no more rich people we will have.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama TRIED to create bipartisanship. YOUR PARTY refused!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'So who else will we hit then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxation on the rich needs to be increased, along with infrastructure spending, in order to avoid long term economic damage.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'yeah, Harry Reid is the epitiomy of bipartisianship'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Flip, trickle down theory says that if we ease taxing the "job creators" they profits would find the way down to the masses... how is that theory working out?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'flip - yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh, Romney will have a busy first day.. a lot of things to undo. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Fortunately waivers were built into that law'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Romney has already been unmanned so most of his work is done :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from a practical standpoint, that's what needs to be done, whatever you may feel is morally "right"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He rarely credits bush, but his first call after bin laden was dead was to bush'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when you are among the rich and own tangible assests that do not depreciate with inflation, there is no fear of monetary collapse, as they shall be richer than the those that are poorer-- business as usual'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'taxing profits only doesn't kill jobs, because wages factor into things not being profits'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well actually you and I have a different view on rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, so let me ask you this, November? Afghanistan and the Sudan both offered bush to arrest Bin Laden... Why did he refuse?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the chief problem facing businesses now is weak demand. That critical problem is easy to solve, and ought to be solved, as soon as possible. Which was 2 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(weak aggregate demand, rather)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You see, if someone works hard and saves $0.10 per dollar that they earn and then makes wise decisions in life. They build it up and make $1,000,000 by the time they retire. They're rich. And you want to take that away from them. Why? They played the game right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no matter how low your taxes are, you won't build a new factory/office/outlet if not enough people are buying your stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They paid taxes their whole life, gave to charity too..'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I assume you have been drinking, November. So I will ignore that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'This is not a bad person whose wealth should be taken away. They were thrifty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'well we don't tax savings, so your story is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's up to you if you want to wreck your country by letting them keep all of their gains...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'we only tax new money'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Nope, but you want to tax my income on that $1,000,000 I have'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '100%? 75%?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are trying to portray all the giant corporations that will cease paying taxes with someone who is thrifty?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what does the constitution say about taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think there's common ground on closing tax loopholes for the rich. But, if there's a deficit neutral way to do it while lowering tax rates, why hasn't it already been done?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'the income on 1mil is like, however much per year. if you make X per year you get taxed at that rate regardless of if it's interest or wages'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, smart corporations like Apple made the right business calls. Why should they be punished for success? (Apple took a while hehe)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Man I remember them in the 90s.. we didnt know how long they'd last'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it says nothing about taxes, Flip, it does speak about tithes...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and while many countries have tax exemptions for charities to encourage charitable giving, I think that such giving should be done with purely your own money, without tax incentives...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Me too Sonshi, but we need to reform the tax code. Its a huge sink hole of $'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'they're not punished at all! everyone gets taxed equally on the first dollar they make, and everyone is taxed equally on the billionth dollar they make. Not my fault that some people don't make a billionth dollar and you end up thinking it's unfair'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not give them your firstborn while you're at it? Don't want to? Why do you want to punish their success? Do you hate them that much?!?!?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but you don't think that everyone shouldering the tax burden is a good idea, you want the people at the bottom to actually do the supporting while those at the top pay jack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well its because you want to fund Obamaphone and make more Obamaphone voters'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'yes sonshi, i want to take their children and turn them into my cyborg army of bible burners'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obamaphone! :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Mitt Romney is required to pay mare than 15% tax, "November" is suggesting the taxrate is likely to be raised to at least 50% or 75% on the thrifty <-- republican paranoia-logic '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He gave 30% of his income to charity'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '15% to uncle sam'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'the country has done well with 50% as the upper bracket in the past, no reason it can't do well in the future'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the lower classes are the ones that wind up giving their lives to defend what the upper class have... if we're talking about morals, I don't see why the top shouldn't be called upon for a bit more sacrifice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hey I'm all for closing loop holes in the tax code, even replacing it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but as a practical matter, they'll wind up having to sacrifice more, lose it all, or flee, in the end.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of the charity contributions likely go to pay for the salaries and bonuses of those running the "charities"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's debatable. One of my Charities, Food for the Poor was investigated and found that they only keep 3%'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are undoubtedly many shady charities used in large part to exploit the tax code...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's pretty good actually as an overhead.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'further, if you have millions or billions to protect that you're making *each year*, then you better be invested in the federal gov and stat govs being strong and protecting you. If you want no taxes and no government influence, go to somalia, they've got that there'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably none of the large ones, but...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no actually difference except that US taxes are not payed by all equitably.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Here come the pundits.. '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so glad the media is here to tell us another majro thing wrong with our country.... right after the debate...they tell us what to think'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Oh and yes you will tax my $1,000,000 savings by the way.. death tax. :P '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'god forbid!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Seems like all you really want to do is discourage me from being thrifty and smart. SO wheres my obamaphone!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'because the more money you die with .... profit?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Nope, 75% goes to charity.. 25% to family'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'estate taxes prevent a nobility class from forming and killing the american dream. sorry i'm not sorry that i wanna stop that'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'People should ge thelp in your family but not a free ride'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'further, the estate tax only hits estates of over 5 million, so no, your 1 mil is safe'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, that can easily change if the country runs out of $.. you'll just lower it and lower it.. and then it will be gone'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yet most people will amass fortunes, which combined with low capital gains, means you create a functional aristocracy after awhile, and was one group gets more of the percentage of the economy's specie, it devalues the other group, not really a free market principal'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well Im not defending that, but hey remember that most rich people invest their money.. and that goes to our economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'so because a tax might get higher, we can't ever have it?! DAMNIT no taxes ever i guess, because a 1% tax might go up if the country hurts, and it might get to 120% potentially'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you're against death taxes, I vote democrat for three reasons, capital gains, gays, and separation of church and state.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't forget not being a racist or hating women, Milkshake.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'death taxes + Capital gains + reasonable progressive tax = ie no aristocracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'My question is, I paid taxes on those earnings. Why should I pay a death tax again and why do you have a right to my money?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that comes under separation of church and state and the gay column, I Should rename it to bigotry in general'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'mmmmmm.... gay columns.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the idea that you can do nothing and invest 200 million dollars in the S&P 500 and never ever do shit but make more and more money and only pay 8% once your capital has been in the stocks for a few years... is insane'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and the republicans wnat to lower it further'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Under the Paul Ryan plan, which the Republicans will try to pass, Romney would pay an effective tax rate of 1%.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'money gets "double taxed" all the time, sales tax on income. its a lame argument.  And why do we have the right? well why do you have the right to use a car, to breathe, to not be speaking german?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the question is... Why should it matter what the skin color of the candidate is?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It should not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But, Democrats keep talking about it all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I dont know why...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When do the Democrats keep talking about skin color, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop LYING.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean its so 1960.. that's like 2 generations ago?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a non-issue, just as the religion or even sexual preference is. It's a way to obfuscate the issues.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is obsessed with skin color... and they take that disease everywhere they go.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Romney was a better story teller than Obama, very unusual .. that's Obama's strength.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'these are issues, people really do want theocractic changes, people really are affected by race, sexual preference, classicism'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'other people really don't want theocratic changes'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they are, Milkshake. In the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh hey its our election, thanks for watching'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you what you mean is, "We are bigots and proud of it"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no, I mean, every country has issues, you shouldn't downplay someone's issues'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'they need to be delt with, not dismissed'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so I should be tolerant of bigotry  because other countries have their own brand of assholeiness?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'didn't say that'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you said "its a non-issue" I took issue with that, it is an issue, for us'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a non-issue, if you think that skin color is a factor then you have a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Some do Anaristos, but it really should be a non-issue, I agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I agree it should be a non-issue, but it isn't, and it shoudln't be dismissed casually like that, it doesn't advance it becomign a non-issue imo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'within the context of american politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'When Obama became president, I remember all my liberal friends ganging around the TV watching it. And I passed by and said what the big deal was. They said a black person was going to be president. I said, why does it matter if he was black? So, as a conservative, I'm telling you most of us never think race when we talk to people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yet, it keeps coming up, as if we can't let it go.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Let the past die, with the past on this one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it does matter, image matters, role models matter, the notion that we can get over ingrained prejudices matters'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't dismiss it you elevate its importance. You are saying "we shouldn't be bigots, but since we are, we must consider the candate's skin color"... in other words, rather than change such uncivilized attitudes you think they should be given a place of honor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'people's self confidence and self-perceptions are directly tied to their performance'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not in the US, that's not true, and that can be easily shown.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I've heard that argument, but I think its reducto ad absurdem, putting your head in the sand'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Look I think its fantastic that a black person could become president in this country, yes. But he's not special because he's black. He's a man first, President next.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'and thats it'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its still a powerful moment to think that race didn't prevent him being elected, you're thinking its tied to him as a person, but I was touched that he won for that very reason, it wasn't about his politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and it didn't give me faith in him'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it engendered faith in the american people'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I don't think it is relevant that Obama has dark skin, I don't think how that improves or detracts from his performace. Neither the fact that Romney doesn't have dark skin improves or detracts from his.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'racial-color does factor into voting-preferences, since most USA voters look at how clueless, corrupt, greedy, lazy, incompetent, inept, etcetera, the cadidate is likely to be from racial-profiling and personal-experience'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or whether either is Protestant or Catholic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'shit its amazing white people are still getting elected, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if that is true Xyliz, then Obama will be elected. Racial profiling would yield the fact that most white president the US has had has raped the country'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nixon was white, so if we use Nixon as an example a white president shouldn't get elected again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh, I wonder how good a president nixon would be perceived as if it weren't for watergate'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The liberal press did a disservice to Obama tonight. They never hit him with hard questions. Neither did McCain. Finally someone did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Watergate wasn't his doing so he was what he was with or without it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'november you strike me as a person very impressed with appearance.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the voters are looking at the profiles of the poorer coloreds, not the presidents (and white Clinton was superior to Obama) '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what are the "coloreds"? I don't understand the term...'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, Joe the Plumber did too. See, you get too soft. Have any of you guys seen Newsroom?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what do you mean, anaristos, it was his undoing? why he was almost impeached, there were friggin tapes of him knowing about it before hand'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'coloreds = black people in very old american colloquialisms'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'colored are nonwhites, (ince "blacks" are not black)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as little as I think of Nixon I will accept the fact that he was set up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but whites are not really white either, only albinos are white and they can be from any race.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the tapes that were recorded before it occured of him discussing the action aren't even suggestive, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"whites" are whiter  than  "blacks" are black'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'don't forget he one drop rule'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was certainly guilty of a cover-up, but he really didn't see it as having a choice because either way he would be crucified, and he was correct.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats insane, if he had come out and crucified people who did something very bad that he learned about that would have been to his benefit'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think he would have been fine'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'watergate was really a coup d'etat, when you look at it from far enough away, Agnew was also deposed, leaving an executive branch not elected by the people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say that Nixon was wise, just that he was paranoid.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Xyliz, have you looked at a color chart lately, neither skin color can be found in one. Neither group is either black or white.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I should rephrase that, an executive branch not elected by the states.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the people don't elect the president :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, that's right. One of these days we'll have a rogue voter in the EC and that will cause its demise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we don't have to wait that long, it is quite possible for an elected president to lose the popular vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the people don't elect the president. EC or no EC.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there were already rogue voters in the EC'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it would take a huge constitutional reform to change the process and the amendment would not pass, of that I am sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, dont recall the last time it happened, but its happened a few times.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it actually happend in 2000 :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the people don't elect the president, then why have the vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'happened*'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't know, both parties have got to be fed up with the difficulty of hyper regional campaigning, or maybe they like it that way, only have to work so hard in a few states'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the people  vote for a slate'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a slate of delegates'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and the delegates nearly always vote the same way, and most states are winner take all, so if you get a majority in that state, you win the EC votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'practically the states vote according to the popular vote of the resident voters, but the constitution doesn't require that they do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the president is almost always popularly elected'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'except for the infamous 2000 election'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'The reason why Obama lost is because he had no teleprompter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That magical voice to tell you what to say.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he was lookin down at something a lot'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'ZING'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Lol, I really wonder who writes the teleprompter words some time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'seriously  November, my god, why don't you go to some hip hop court and tell your momma jokes, its so enriching your sense of the world'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Bruce Almighty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Look, I'm just saying Obama is a little dependent on that thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than a little'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least he appears to be on recovery.  It used to be fairly obvious when he wasn't using it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and I'm just saying you keep bringing up personal digs, style, appearance, and "zingers" and I think it drains all discourse and makes for a very unpleasant conversation,  go back to supply reasons for why his policy sucks, please'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this is a mud channel.  There's really no reason whatsoever to pour your heart and soul into something highly unrelated to your purpose for logging in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an "uncle tom" requires to be told what to say, so as to please and not offend the white massahs'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Did he use a teleprompter when he gave that speech in New Orleans, the one that resurfaced yesterday?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'my purpose for logging in was to discuss the debates with people who can read :) since mudding is sort of a litmus test for that thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like depending on The Onion for all your news needs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and otehrwise why have this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think anyone who can shuffle their feet while kissing someone's ass is very talented :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like The Onion :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK Milkshake, what did you think of the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like The Onion :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'which middle east country's gov responded to the onion as if was real?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'We're meta-debating now. Debating on the debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you have to admit The Onion looks real :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would you like it if it turned serious and went up against Sean Hannity and such?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think Romney did present better, in general. but I don't think thats connected to substance, and if you just drained it of ideas and placed it in the context of what I believe, I think he did much worse, but thats my political opinions against his "substance"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sorry drained it, and only ideas remained'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, you and Yuna? pointed out you can't make a lot of substence in 2 minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And Romney got 4 minutes less.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'So, go to their web site, read it and make a decision.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'At least there, they can take their time and so can you'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what I woudl really like to see is a fight between a naked sean hannity, glenn beck, sarah palin, and rush limbaugh in a giant mud pit to the death with only one person surviving'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'And this has to do with the debate how?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhhhhh, they both put a lot of substance into the debate I felt, as much as can be put into that format I think'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics aside, why would you ever want to see Limbaugh NAKED?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't know, why do people like to watch train wrecks?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I would have liked to see Gary Johnson up there.  I think he'd have completely upstaged Romney as a fiscal conservative'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be worse than that old fat guy from Borat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Look, I'm not saying Romney did a great job. But, if his goal was to look better than Obama then I think it worked. Even the pundits on MSNBC think so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But, debates rarely ever change outcomes of elections.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah, I'm gay I was simultaneously disgusted and laughing at that scene'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Kerry won 2/3 debates with Bush, he still lost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '(thats an opinion)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'right, but I don't think look better is the principal point of a debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and most people do'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its all about looking good, has been since Nixon v. Kennedy in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is.  JFK overwhelming proved that point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But one thing this debate will do, unequivocally'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no I think there are a lot of people (not all) who really do read between the lines, really tease out what was said,  and those people usually conclude that its not a dense medium and go somewhere else haha'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It will give Romney some needed momentum.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It will energize the GOP.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but I remember I was very swayed by the clinton vs bush debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I really doubt debates energize a political base'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Romney had less time, but you see, he's clever, he knows not to whine a lot to the moderator. Its image.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its not substence, you cant cover 83 issues in 38 minutes in detail.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhhhh he did whine, a lot, I disagree there'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sounds a lot like "the non-accusatory knuckle shake really turned me on!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'talking about how all over the place his opponent was (and he was too) and he did disagree with the mod, they both did some whining'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'intrade has Romney at 32.8% I think that's fair. 35% is probably more like it. We'll see the fall out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'wait 32.8% of what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'a +3% boost immediately'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Chance of winning to intrade'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'winnign the debate? good god, does winning just mean "you won more votes?"'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'no, overall'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'go to www.intrade.com'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the whole election?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, thats what the trade is for :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '.... this is real money voting?'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hehe, yep. Go check it out :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I am'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'selection bias though, only people who are attracted to betting are going to put in trades'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'hehe, I love it when someone first finds this site, their reaction'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and/or have disposable income'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and/or don't have too much disposable income'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well you can buy a Romney share for $3.30... no $3.32.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'thats less than a gallon of gas'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'even so , some people are resolutely against anything resembling gambling, and that alone might correlate with voting patterns'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hmm, gambling? Its not chance.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its more like betting how smart you are'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It wont cap 35.. polls usually drive this rate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its not chance who wins the sports game, nor how the dice rolls in a craps game, its just physics, but we still call it gambling because nobody knows the answer and we model it with probabilities'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually, in GB versus Seattle it is chance '
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Whoever the ref happens to be hehe'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But yes, generally sports is skill'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hey I'm a 21 year GB fan.. and I have to tell you, it took a lot of grace to let that one go.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'sports is genetics'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not to mention selection bias against people without computers'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or people who aren't computer savvy likely'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'before you scream bias due to it being on nytimes...., I sort of like http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ because its poll aggregation'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Democrats have 60 seat supermajority link: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Bush had 92% approval rating in october 2001: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2007/07/approval_highs_and_lows.html. There's your proof. Now, I said 97% and I was off by 5%, and that's almost within the margin of error. Apologies for that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Did I miss any other fact that I sited? I was getting innudated with questions / comments.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gallius: 'dead channel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'alas, the horse has already been beaten to death...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'oh dear lord did Romney wipe the floor with Obama last night'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have not seen the debate yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Did you want to see it first before bringing it up here?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not worried about spoilers :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh, true, its not exactly an episode of Lost or 24.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Wow, the GOPers are energized today. 2 donations per second on mittromney.com. Unknown how much to the super-pacs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Debates don't usually swing elections, but they can energize.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might help in swing states'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamaphone muppets wouldn't understand the debate anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe. He still has an uphill climb. Honestly Tigernuts, if he makes it seem he's connected with people (esp. Ohio) and he's the guy, he can do it. Not easy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But, he's got a momentum *started*.. has to build on it you know?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm in the UK, but I made a point of listening to the debate at work today'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What was your opinion?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney didn't come across remotely as bad as people like Sonshi and Yuna make out'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i couldn't get behind his foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i agree with the majority of pundits, that obama was slaughtered'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, debates honestly in America aren't about issues or even honesty. Its about style, grace, appearance. At least, since Nixon vs JFK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '(in my opinion)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been better had the other two candidates been in it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'it's always easier attacking than defending, even more so now when the world is in a regression'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Which ones?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Johnson and the Green party lady (forget her name)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No one is going to vote for them in any significant numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, they never get a platform because they're not allowed in the debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'All third parties can do is just affect an outcome between the big two.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Perot'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and because the election system is set up for two parties'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Sometimes, a whole lot (e.g. 1890s)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's set up for 2 parties because the two parties have made it such'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Perot might have won had he not quit halfway'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'duh'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But, America has always had two parties after the re-forming of the Democrats in the 1890s.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well when the establishments makes threats against the life of your family members, it loses it's appeal'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'oops, 1830s :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama looked stressed without a telepromter. He looked disinterested, not really focused. People pick up on this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and his policies are crap'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Like a, ok, just give me four more years, lets get on with it, its over, sigh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of61E1FesPU'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I wanted to hear his southern accent last night. It didn't happen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Obama is great when he has a prepared speech. He's no Bill Clinton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'He's convincing, even if you disagree with him, you have to give him that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'But, speeches? not sure that will cover it this time around.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I guess we'll see! :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not american, i'm a cynical libertarian brit, you won't convince me with style and polish'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama talks too much and goes into too much pointless detail...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'any country outside america is doomed if romney wins'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a debate, that's not very good'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I feel sorry for whats happened to your country, Tigernuts - politically speaking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Ashiya ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my country is already screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and probably if Obama wins too..'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If I was a citizen of the UK, I'd probably be like you. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has little to do with obomney'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for reasons not connected to either candidate'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't have quite the same gift of lying confidently through his teeth'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are few like me here, they're all stupid or sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'lol obomney'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well obomney is because they're the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'robama'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, the CFR puppet'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one's worse'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I love using the "O" in all kinds of things: obummer, obamacare, otaxocare, obalogney, uh-o, hehe'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ooh, Obamaphone!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pick your poison, one tastes of strawberry, one tasts of apple'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamaphone!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one want to cut taxes on the rich further, for example...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yes, I love obamaphone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't really call them the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I want an obamaphone. Does it call Obama, or is it just free?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama's foreign policy is walk softly and don't do anything until 3 weeks after something happens, though'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I want a way to ask for more, like Oliver.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama's policy is "pull the troops out" by arming Syrians and Libyans with the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'oh wait'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Can I have summore?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's foreign policy is to be at war with the middle east and try to pretend you're not'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're already at war with Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, and his foreign policy is sounder too! Often times, doing nothing is wiser, and takes more courage...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Basically speaking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the CIA debasing their currency by printing fake currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's true. Israel may not be able to strike Iran without our ACs in the Persian Gulf.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have secret service blowing up power lines and sabotaging power stations'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bernanke's blowing up the "real" fiat currency on the other end'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'This is going to happen folks, next year likely, unless we can get the Iranian people to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have sanctions cutting off resources'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get Iranian people to do -what- exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Rise up, like they did in 2009.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They almost won the capital over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '... had Obummer supported them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sabotage isn't exactly war... it's something rivals do all the time... it may not be right, but it's the usual state of affairs'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran hasn't sabotaged USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Iran?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try Khomeini, 1970s'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'This is the best way I can think of solving it.. can't think of another better one. Sanctions don't work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they try all the time...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we should point out that it was the USA and UK that essentially causeed this Iranian regime'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they just have fewer resources, see...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think we should drop 1000s of Obamaphones to the Iranian people and see if they can social network and organize some sort of revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran had voted in a very popular SECULAR guy in democratic elections in the 50s'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called Muhammed Mossadeq (spelling prob wrong)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA/UK hated it because he wanted to nationalise the oil industry'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which they had large stakes in)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they organised a coup'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was called Operation Ajax'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wiki it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah but they have a lot less oil now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'arm the insurgents, install democracy, install capitalism, refuse to leave, ???, profit'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, this is exactly why they need to support the democrats in libya and not damage them until the jihadists take over...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait, that's Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result, the regime they put in was deposed in 1979 in the revolution by the iranian people, bringing in the regime they have now'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, wait, Syria'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so OIL again'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not security'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not threats'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Hey, you guys are all making a great case for voting Romney. He wants the US to have energy independence. That would mean, we can finally get out of the Middle East for good. No incentive, other than to help Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like Iraq'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like Syria'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And Kuwait'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And Haiti'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But not Cuba'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran should have the nuke'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to protect themselves, since they're ringed by enemies'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the Us cannot have energy independence under the gop platform...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Would they use it though, on offense Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no, november, it'd be suicide for them to use it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Through hezbollah, or delivered through Syria.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, let me ask you this then,'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only way to do that is to go all out on renewables'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We tried that in the 1900s Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Pinkertons didn't like it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Iran is run by people who are True Believers in the Islamic faith, who would see the opportunity to eliminate the Zionists at the cost of themselves to be a worthy, martyrable cause'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What do you make of Ahmadimejad (I'm a nut job?) when he says, openly and publically, that he wants to destroy Israel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the view of most Iranians'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Do you believe him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, the view of most Iranians is irrelevant unless they have the Big Red Button'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'well romney thinks russia is the number 1 geopolitcal enemy, that's good for the future :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe him, i don't believe he would nuke them because that's not what he wants'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his believes that the state of israel shouldn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't ahmadimejad just a figurehead?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know what? he's right'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel was essentially stolen by the British in the 1920s'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't their land to give'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK what would you do with the 2+ million Israelis there who want to live in peace?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If Iran just did something offensive to them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if little nuclear/nearnuclear states like DPRK, Iran, Israel, were to disappear, I think a lot of people would breathe a sigh of relief...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd leave it to them'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, attacked them and threatened their existence?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just remember the only country that's only used nuclear weapons...twice'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could resettle them in wales or something!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When November met Tigernuts. This should be rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Ok, so to you, Isreal should just stand alone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, you still haven't answered the question of whether or not you're a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle east is pretty easy, really, you have Western-aided Sunni's against Russian backed Shi'ites'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problems exist because we're involved'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If the UK was attacked by anyone for any reason, should the US or Israel help out?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Would you want that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for as long as we're involved, there'll be problems'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Should? It's not a choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is a corporation of the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's up to them, November'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No, my question is, would you want help if it was offered?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'OK, Israelis would probably want the US to help them if Iran attacked them. And, I think we should.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If they wanted it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your perogative'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but don't pretend that it's a cut and dry moral case'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'People got to stick together you know?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're threatening each other'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... turkish military authorised to strike syria at will'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Little Johns is agreeing with that Remember November person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I saw that Sonshi. Syria and Lebanon are in bad shape.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, why isn't the UN taking Turkey to task for that? It's against the law'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What now 20,000 dead there in a civil war?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'UN urges de-escalation'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talk about selective judgement'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's "against the law"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try Rwandan genocide for de-escalation'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they can't do anything to turkey... the UN is all talk'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's against UN laws to attack another country other than in self defence'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because Turkey apparently authorized their forces to strike Syria at will?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then what the FUCK do you call the Iraqi War?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'besides, turkish civilians were killed first...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq war was illegal too'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so it is self-defence'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, it's not against the LAW.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might notice that UN is a bunch of hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's against an agreement that said countries signed onto, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's against U.N. "rules".'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technically, they could've considered it an act of war and declared on syria as a defensive war...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, anything you sign constitutes law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it constitutes international law'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It isn't. You see, the US, UK, Canada, and New Zealand all owe each other a joint debt of aid based on what we did in the 1940s. We always will. If one is threatened by any other, with permission of the attacked, all the others should join and aid them - with every man, woman, gun, weapon they have.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'sorry for the long one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No it doesn't!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it does, else they wouldn't have needed a resolution to go to war with Iraq'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'November, they aren't separate sovereign entities'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'They still are DosseT. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A diplomat signing a document can never override the will of a democratic people'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Though, if you hear the UN these days, a global tax, etc. one would think other people have ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN needs decomissioning'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'POTUS reports to the CFR'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mostly agree with that Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It does some good in humanitarian aid, but that's it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the aid could be done by other existing international aid bodies'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Its very selective though. Darfur comes to mind.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah but its really no good for much else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Sort of a global Red-Cross.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's called the WHO'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They approve poison and export it to 3rd world nations'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, got to keep the population of fuzzywuzzy's down'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... their nato allies are calling for restraint. Technically, if turkey went to war over being attacked, nato could've been obligated to join.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, yeah DosseT, that's more focussed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's 1984'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I'm thinking its good when you have a situation like a genocide or natual disaster going on and people need a lending hand.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They cause it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rwanda? UN blockaded neighbors from interceding'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey were not attacked'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'No world government please, we can't even get one country's federal goverment worked out just yet. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think we will, though. I'm optimistic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No world government, though you have a "strange" feeling about the global tax?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't live in denial'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the main purpose of the UN is to get the major powers to talk to each other. It helps prevent major conflicts that war...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'It should just be ignored. I don't recognize the UN as having any real authority over me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you, according to the US government, are an extremist'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe if they asked for donations to help a disaster or prevent a genocide, OK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, they have no power to impose international laws or taxation, besides what their signatories can do'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Actually, I just want more states rights.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so do i'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will get the opposite of that with Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not in TPTB's interest though'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean there are social issues here, that are better off left to the states.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Technically that is how the Constitution was really put together..'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Half the idiots on Capitol Hill don't know about the Constitution'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Some kid in 8th grade civics knows more'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so kick them out and replace them'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Society has been de-balled and hypnotized by the media'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh. I have a pocket Constitution. Its a little terse, but I can get through it if I really focus.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Oo, I wonder if there is a Constitution App for my iPad. Probably several.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have an analagous problem here in the UK with sovereignty being eaten by the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure only terrorists would have a copy of the constitution lying around'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what police are being briefed with, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not making this up'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think the EU is on the way out. Don't know how that will play out, but I think its basically over with.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, we'll see.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Explain'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have ron paul bumper stickers, or stickers that suggest leaving the UN, or about ending foreign wars'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you promote 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or states rights'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all possible markers for terrorism, according to your intelligence services'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heh Al Gore said it was the altitude. Hahaha, here we go. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the EU derives its authority from its member states. Even if there is no "legal" means to exit, there's nothing stopping individual countries from leaving, beyond their own self interest'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like no country has ever broken a treaty before...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can leave, sonshi, if we're given the opportunity to'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'll get economically crippled'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, our government heads will not give anyone that opportunity'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For you Yuna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF_n-gn-Yo'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you don't leave because it's still beneficial. Not having the euro while having all the free movement stuff is a pretty nice advantage'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuna's not interested in your videos, dosset, he wants an obamaphone'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Watch it ON the Obamaphone, obvi'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the free movement has been harming us for 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and more'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uncontrolled economic immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from greece, apain, and italy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spain'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'portugal, poland, eastern europe'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, with european economies on the ropes, it's unavoidable. On the bright side, you now have cheap labour!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '3.5 million hits for Obamaphone, and rising.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can exempt non citizens from minimum wage laws, if you have any'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't help'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are an overpopulated island with an extremely high cost of living and an enormous amount of welfare dependance'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having the market flooded with cheap labour immigrants makes things worse'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'HA! You think YOU are overpopulated?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you haven't seen overpopulated yet!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're essentially a city state'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'India's separating from the mainland because there's so many people there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I love it. This one obamaphone remix has me laughing to tears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwa3t-o4rmg&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... but there are other countries that are pretty densely populated too'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'japan, for one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we didn't used to be'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and japan is on the ropes, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is a truly hateful place'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK still has plenty of land'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our population has rise over 300% since the end of WW2'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's still lots of countryside'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there is in texas'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just that people often prefer to live in crowded cities, because that's where the jobs and services are'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas has been infiltrated by liberals'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, I'm a liberal and I just left, so based on conservative logic we're fleeing ind roves :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no they haven't, we asked Chuck Norris not to kick their asses so the rest of us could have some target practice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas is earmarked as an agenda 21 megapolis'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't know what that is, but it sounds exciting'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Extermination'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so, have we given peace a chance and concluded that overpopulation sucks so lets go back to war?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'of you'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uber-city with huge amounts of cramped apartments, milkshake'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'There be a lot of Texas to fill up Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the point, they'll be moving people off all the other land'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..or empty cities in Africa'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought Agenda 21 was what was shown in Hunger Games?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, it's funny, singapore is a tiny, crowded city state, but somehow our apartments seem more spacious than the crap most people here (US) live in...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US property is typical double the size of UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're full of tiny people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hunger Games is like what happens after Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just build plenty of nice 3-5 room places...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You've created the rich-poor dichotomy, now you rule with fear tactics'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average house here now costs 10x the median salary'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, that's normal'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually a documented evolutionary trait, populations in an island habitat with limited resources shrink to ease pressure on those resources.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically it should be 3-4x, the entire mortgage industry is based on this premise'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at 10x, nobody except the uber-rich can afford a house'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Whole thing's a scam'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Gotta run, leaving you with one more debate-zinger: A tweet today, "Does Obamacare cover ass-whoopins?" :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'wow thats so classy'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there are cheaper apartments, are there not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if you've already had an ass-whoopin'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'to the middle working class? prolly'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a very small, crumbling 1 bed apartment here, smaller than most americans' garage for around $160,000, which is around 5x median salary'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a smallish 3 bedroom "duplex" will set you back around $320,000'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... why doesn't the govt build lots of 3-5 room flats?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Section 8'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 4 bed house in 1/2 acre will set you back around $500,000'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't sound unreasonable though'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'space is at a premium'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well bring back hitler and get gassing then'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a flat with 3 bedrooms would probably cost something like 300-500k at current exchange rates back home...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to live in a claustrophobic shithole because 3 generations of welfare scum couldn't keep their pants on?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not the cause, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you wanted a nice, large place which is cheap...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not move to the countryside?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that IS in the countryside'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The housing thing is to eliminate the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The lower class is already guvment dependent, courtesy of the tax payers'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 bed house in London with a 1/4 acre garden you'll be looking around $2,500,000'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The upper class has all the real estate'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They short-sell and overprice this to the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Are you telling me it costs that much to put a house in a rural area?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Foreclose them, take their shit, then move on to the next victim'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an 1/8acre building plot is $100,000'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get some of the cheap labour you complain about to do it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the high cost is not due to the labour, it's down to the cost of land'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, do you need something that big?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i detest living in the city'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely fucking hate it'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if America wasn't falling apart, i'd be out there like as hot'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you build an apartment building, the cost of land is minimal in the countryside'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shot*'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't build an apartment building in the countryside'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't build in the countryside period'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why building plots are so expensive'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely restrictive building permissions'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's your country's problem, right? It's not the fault of overpopulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all related'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's essentially a monopoly whereby large property corporations sit on large land banks and get permission from the government. Everyone else can go jump'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the population were less, the area they'd let you build on would likely be less too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the population was less, there'd be a greater availability of existing houses'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so, really, the overpopulation thing isn't really an issue with housing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yea it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd build less houses, wouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also an issue with services, resources, transport'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'too much r-selected reproduction by bottom-feeders'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, if the population was lower, they'd build less of everything...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't need as much of everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the K-selected support these, and are rewarded with burgeoning costs which send them to said bottom-feeding level'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scale everything down by half, and you'd get pretty much the same problems...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not everyone is a productive member of society'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the island can support around 25million, around 38% of the current population'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get rid of the "unproductive" members, and the new bottom 10% will be nearly as unproductive...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'someone's going to be last, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We can't'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not to sound cliche, but blame the liberals, or MBTI "F" types'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and your island can certainly support more, depending on the tech level...'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's ok to feel bad for people - not ok to enable and incentivize their status to others'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at current tech level, 25 million'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's never a incentive to be poor, always a disincentive'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only question is how large that disincentive is'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Give money to single moms? Now you've incentivized single-momhood'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You no longer need to work since you get income transfers from the working'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, i need to go to bed, some of us have to work for a pittance you know'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to be a good wage slave for a thieving government'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's still crappy to be a single mom'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't be'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you're giving them a few thousand a month, it's still a disincentive'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No Fault divorce 2.0'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just reproduce with lots of men, and have the state pay you = win'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even paying people to get kids, we can't get enough. We'd sure like to know your secret.'
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Romney says the gap between the rich and poor got wider in the past 4 years. Fact or fiction?'
T3/r7/2012-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'if someone goes back in time and kills their past self is it suicide or murder'
T3/r7/2012-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'murder'
T3/r7/2012-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'two different time streams'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mokg: '<-- is a channel btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, can't debate now, I am too busy going back in time to kill me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it might, once the gene pool is big enough, but when there were only a few humans, there was no other way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, Erobinia, but where to find those who are not siblings in a group of 10 or 12 people? Granted, they sought each other out following an urge to increase the gene pool, but they weren't going to sit around abstaining waiting for the next batch of humans to appear.'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis again :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'incest was practiced in Africa, Asia and Europe at least 2000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rules for kids on the Internet by the Swedish Queen: Never say your real name, never send pictures, never say if you are home alone. Is it that simple?'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'eat my dust rooster boy!'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzvm7zd4Z-s&list=UUF2oW5-MO8dB6ul9WH9xi0A&index=1&feature=plcp'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sooo, we have SFF complicit with the Turks firing mortars into Turkey in a false flag attack to try and provoke Nato involvement in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how fucking stupid do they think people are?'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'SFF?'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian freedom force. aka Al-Quaida'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK undercover police set up a hookie pawnbrokers in London, offer to buy stolen passports and driving licenses off people, then arrest takers...... for 18 months'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK police arrest a man for murdering a 5yr old. In a press conference they confirmed the arrest but hoped they would yet find the girl alive and well'
T3/r7/2012-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I knew HooK was up to no good, but damn.'
T3/r7/2012-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sooo, BBC reports Saudi/Qatar weapons in Syrian Insurgents hands (better late than never on the reporting, I guess)'
T3/r7/2012-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney touts arming the rebels and going after Iran. Big shock there (not)'
T3/r7/2012-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and gold at 1108gbp $1780'
T3/r7/2012-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Technically Naganette, I think?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Todd Akin, he of "Pregnancy rarely occurs during legitimate rape" fame still opposes the government legislating equal pay between the genders and believes businesses should be free to discriminate freely against female employees. He also opposes minimum wage legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ALSO because the government shouldn't be sticking their noses into that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Angela Merkel travels to Greece, met by protestors dressed as Nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Easy fix - boot Greece from EU, disclaim debt as Greece's problem, immigration freeze on Greek citizens.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then Greece defaults on debt, european banks melt down'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '???s? ???? supporters?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'erm, Chrysi Avgi/Golden Dawn? :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'easy solution, regularise tax on hyperrich'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose hyperrich, and to pay for what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Governments spending too much isn't something you can solve by a tax on the very rich, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, for instance, we could stop dropping corporation tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But you could set corp/income/investment tax to all be at, say, 30%'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that would double the tax on investment income, I understand'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxing the rich doesn't actually work'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, that is why we are in the mess we are'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly because the rich own/run the countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sure it does - not taxing them sure doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and you could make income under x k be tax free, but that still doesn't solve the problem of too high gov't spending'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off you go then Vakieh, go get support for that policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, 30% would bring the US more in line with european countries, which are apparently able to tax their rich at a higher rate'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, we could knock an awful of spending my, say, not buying trident'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I live in Au, our rich get taxed 48% for all income in high brackets, we're all good here :-P Hence why that fat coal lady whines so much'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the best you can achieve is to get them to pay the tax rates that already exist'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that would be a major step forward'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but much higher wouldn't work, since the really rich are an offshore kind of group'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is not that governments spend too much, it's that we spend it on the wrong thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it spends too much'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '50% tax for high work income doesn't deal with the really rich though :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tinada - the *correct* government spending spurs economic growth - Monroe pulled in enough money to support 4-5 decades of US and Euro growth'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your government is spending more than 40% of GDP, it's spending too much'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, that doesn't make sense Tinada -- governments define a monetary system'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that does depend on what is included in gov't spending though'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Swalec.
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tigernuts, you can slap meaningless stats and thresholds, but it doesn't help'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tinada, it doesn't matter where the income is from - capital gains are included in the 48%'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'clever Australian tax people, then'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not meaningless at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'governments are the things that create a monetary system in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'these days our monetary systems are created by governments, certainly, and imo that is not a power governments should have'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, to say that they are spending too much -- well, what you are really saying I think, is that you think that majority of the economic activity should be outside of democratic control'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'These days? Since we moved from barter, it has been gov->mint->sales, always'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, that depends too. Which services/goods should be available to everyone?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'who should have that power, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'education, health'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'protection, housing'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Original monetary systems just happened, right? Weight of gold/silver worked for a long time :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tinada, gold and silver did not work -- it's very hard to know if it is pure'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold and silver work fine'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Weight stayed the same, the amount the gov minted differed - inflation was their valuation control'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gold and silver didn't just happen, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'gold and silver were stamped with coins, to establlish as a mechanism of trust'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If, say, in the US, you pay private insurance companies 16% of GDP to cover health care and such, and in Norway we pay the gov't 8% for the same sector, do you count that as "private"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they work fine, but restrict ability to have a stretchy monetary policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think it's fair to say that precious metals as money developed independent of state/gov't power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and gold failed at about the same time South American was discovered by the Europeans -- hyperinflation destroyed Spanish power for many hundreds of years'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold standard was dropped in the early 1970s, so swalec is talking arse again'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is not fair at all - the government were always the ones minting the precious metals'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Given the relative stability of that system over centuries compared to our current setup, I also don't think it's fair to say that it failed (unless you also want to say that current systems fail more)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tinada -- it isn't. Gold is not precious -- it's totally useless (nearly). It's rare'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You could of course argue debt is a greater problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'debt from who, to whom? We are in a world recession apparently'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'have we been borrowing too much from the Martians?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Pieces of paper with dollar signs on them are not more useful than pieces of gold, and they aren't even rare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from the Chinese.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that's the point, Tinada, gold is just as pointless as dollar bills -- the value in it is established through custom and practice. And government control'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the reason that Gold used to be used is because it is relatively rare and hard to counterfeit'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like Swalec is advocating the Star Trek solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Precious metals have value independent of government control. If not enforced by law, US dollars would only have value to occasional collectors.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and people short of toilet paper'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gold is far from perfect, but far harder to debase than fiat currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tinada, tell me then, what use is Gold? I can think of only one use and that is recent'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ornamental'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Gold is useful as currency :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and electronics'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'To be fair, I find US dollars to be moderately useful'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Gold is no prettier than many cheaper alternatives. It's ornamental value stems from it's percieved value. not the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I got a bunch of them that I use for bookmarks'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Nevertheless, the value has been fairly stable over the years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, no.  The sheer weight of gold makes it highly inconvenient.  Just think about all the money you own, then imagine that in gold coins.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'A decent toga would set you back an ounce during the days of the roman republic'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and Tinada, it's only useful as material from which to make currency -- not the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be very little, Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not so far from recent costs for a tailored suit'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is at nearly $1800 an oz'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people could pick their entire life's worth up in one hand'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Go buy a car with 100k in gold :-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yeah, which makes it quite hard to buy a pint of milk with'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they had other coins, silver and copper'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just the weight of your paycheck would destroy your pockets.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, exactly. It is the COINS that had value, not the Gold'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an ounce would destroy your pockets, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think there's anything that particularly prevents you from creating a monetary unit called, say, Bancor, which would be worth, say 1/10000 of an ounce of gold :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it is like arguing that paper is valuable, because we print notes on it'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fiat currencies were fine until they started to be devalued by the crooked ruling elite and corporate interests'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'gold is not a replacement for paper money, or a government organised currency. It's simply a medium out of which to make one. An not a very good medium in this day and age. '
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'up until what, 6th century bc? people used precious metals by weight, then coins with preset amount of pm began taking over'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your dollar is worth about 5% of what it used to be'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'anyway, I shall leave the debate there. I don't want to my late for my classes tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'enjoy the debate!'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you need them'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Yes, Tigernuts, I do. Without them, I don't get paid!'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well be glad you still get paid and it's still sufficiently valuable to buy anything with'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it soon won't be'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my initial points were that a precious metals based standard (1) doesn't require government enforcement, and (2) is historically more stable than fiat currencies. As far as I know, there isn't really any doubt about those two points. This doesn't mean that the volatility of value is zero or that the system is perfect, since the amount of available money will not change with the population or amount of goods and services produced, but given the centuries of practical testing, it's pretty obvious that it "works".'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like it because it can't be tracked and can't be fiddled easily, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, bank runs, crashes and whatnot are essentially a result of a fractional banking systems, which are not a necessary part of any monetary system'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is why western countries will never return to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I reckon the real reason it is unlikely that we will change back to PM standards is that governments really don't like giving up power'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'especially not one that lets you tax people in nearly invisible ways and put blame elsewhere most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we're going to end up glowing in the dark'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in prisoner camps'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're entering an era of incompetence and decadence. It's going to hurt'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It was quite pleasant for a generation, but sooner or later you can't kick the can down the road anymore :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney now leads in 11 swing states'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I saw the overall polls moving toward Romney over the past week.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If he can sweep the floor with Obama in two more debates, it might just work'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep. you were all told this would happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite him coming out as a war mongering, hypocritical terrorist-arming scumbag'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you mean Romney or Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, our terrorists are freedom fighters'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'until they turn on us, at least'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're Al-Quaida'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you set them up, trained them, used them as an excuse to take away our freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'everyone loves a good police state'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee, thanks, i didn't need those hopes, dreams and aspirations anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice at Tigernuts, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some al-quaida spokesman released a video message stating that they'd not stop until the al-quaida flag was flying over the White House'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I didn't have the heart to post a comment stating that it already was'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Isn't there already an American flag there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and one for the banks, one for wall street, one for the unions, one for.. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that's the United Nations'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe the UN Eugenics team are right, maybe me do need to remove 80% of the population, just so long as we can guarantee it's the ruling class and ruling elite/uber rich that go first'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kill the french.  They get crazy when nobles start getting executed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'given the increasing (and positive) correlation between intelligence and wealth, you might want to be careful with eliminating the rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't confuse intelligence with wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'intelligence is useful, but sadly correlates only very weakly with moral qualities'
T3/r7/2012-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe that is just as well'
T3/r7/2012-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone up for something ?  - finished chores '
T3/r7/2012-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would prefer a pissing contest here - I occasionally learn something here '
T3/r7/2012-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is a game of compensation'
T3/r7/2012-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Someone should make a game where the PvP system is completely undocumented'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have moves like Tiger kick, and Dragon Punch, etc., and the effects of all of the moves are undocumented entirely'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything happening here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No.  Please, please, please, get drunk and go back to bed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is 1830ish , just got back from training :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet to have my first '
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers Starling !'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there ya go :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how are we shaping up in here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news headline: UK man gets jailed for 4 months for wearing T-Shirt'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Romney 49%, Obama 44%'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama deputy campaign manager tries to blame Libya Embassay Massacre on Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bus driver has since been fired'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should have been fried, really, only 1 letter switch different'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pile of horse manure dumped at Ohio Democratic headquarters'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'is there any reason to think that "vapor" from an electronic cigarette is harmful to the lungs? (significantly anyway)'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my understanding is no, though the nicotine is still a concern, but not on the same level as burnt organic matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'depends on what the vapor consists off'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'this seems like a wonderful device, all of the high and none of the hack (I am not a smoker, I don't want to be one...) I just wonder why people are reticent to pick it up'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'from what i remember the vapor was suppose to be water'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if they're already addicted, that is'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, thats what the people selling it say, my coworker and I talk a lot while he smokes his e-cig'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think people feel stupid using them, I know my brother has been trying to stop and is using them to help, and he's said that at first he was embarassed to use one'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'any republicans about'
T3/r7/2012-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lift rocks and look under :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is astounding me that "facilities for the extremely obese" is actually a thing (in the U.S., where else?). Apparently, there are so many extremely obese people in the U.S. they need special hospitals for them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's a growing disease'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a friggin' disease.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's people making bad lifestyle choices.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sure it is a disease'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like calling being a drug addict a disease.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'haven't you seen "King Size Homer"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's my favourite episode'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, anything shown on the Simpsons is real. We should all bow down to Homer for saving us from the Apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it is a cautionary tale'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that official advice is based on faux science, and more likely to make you more obese than less'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No advice would have been better, and probably the best way to go'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, subsidies on food that makes you obese may not be a good policy...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'any food can make you obese'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Insurance companies should be allowed to refuse to pay for the treatment of idiots whose problems are their own fucking fault.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'except celery and cucumber'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, Vost, but some are worse. Like sugar or corn.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But any subsidies on food is bad and should be removed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'so block subsidies on a list of food that is more likely to make you obese?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eating quadruple portions every meal? That's your own stupidity making you morbidly obese. Go and die quickly so the world doesn't ahve to deal with the fallout of your fucktardism, costing society tons of money. Smoker who gets lung cancer? No treatment unless you pay for it yourself. Dead liver due to alcoholism? The same.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fucking retarded 16 yearolds going on a solo sailing trip around the world to break a meaningless world record for meaningless fame DESPITE repeated wearnings of bad weather? Pay for your own damn rescue operation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just remove all subsidies and remove all official food recommendations.  The government sucks at those things and only make their choices on whoever bribes them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, crossing the street and getting hit by a car? Your own fucking fault. You should get sued for damaging such a fine looking car :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fatty foods are getting government subsidies, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'None. '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fatty foods don't make you fat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Crossing a street does not have the inevitable and guaranteed consequence of getting hit by a car.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why are you talking as if there were, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Processed starchy and sugary foods do, and they get subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Railing against government subsidies for fatty foods.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm not, you are not reading what I wrote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna is angry today'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'I want a BigMac'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'His mom must have refused to give him a handjob, poor guy :('
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I had to read a bunch of articles where idiots are saying Paul Ryan won last night's debate when he did nothing but lie and obfuscate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I'm pretty sure they have to get some sort of insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no maternal hand job? Sue that mother!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I am officially fed up with U.S. stupidity. If you elect Romney-Ryan, you DESERVE a depression. Too bad I'm going to have suffer for it simply for living on the same planet as them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mars exploration will be opening soon...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'high-fructose corn syrup, nitrates, and sulfates poison your body - all approved by the FDA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm fed up with putting up with stupidify from whatever country Yuna is from.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think we need to bomb them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So does chocolate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's part of the insurance/Big Pharm complex to create a sick populace that dies over 30-40 years, not instantly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'we all die eventually, i'm fine with 60 to 70 years instead of 80'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'pretty sure high-fructose corn syrup isn't ACTUALLY poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The rest I have no insight into, so I won't debate those.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'poisonous in the same sense as sucralose - it fills your body up, making you feel full, but you're actually malnourished'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not poisoning!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying eating rabbit is poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you feel full eating your Big Mac, but your body is actually starving for nutrients - you keep returning to the additive addiction'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's poisoning in the sense that your body isn't fully functional'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the fuck is THAT the new definition of "poisoning"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how the fuck is that fully functional?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You FEEL full, but you can STILL eat more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's how rat poison works'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It merely TRICKS your body. It still functions just as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you know, aspartame'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tastes good, starves the body out'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No it fucking isn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rat poison fucks up a creature's actual biological functions, preventing their body from performing vital tasks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Not feel full without being full" isn't a fucking vital task.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rat poison also actually damages a creature's body.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't know what kind of knockoff rat poison YOU have been ingesting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '>>In the context of biology, poisons are substances that cause disturbances to organisms,[1] usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism. '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are other toxins, but the aspartame in it makes it taste appealing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'aspartame is also used by humans'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Every chemical is a poison once you hit a certain dose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(even (some might say especially) water'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's marlakey and a bunch of stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no, "poison" is defined to be of low dose'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if it's not harmful at low dose, it isn't a poison'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's apartame in rat poison =/= Aspartame is poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'absolutely it's poisonous'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and no, not because it's in poison'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, that definition I used came from Dorland's Medical Dictionary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sugar (or more specifically fructose) is a poison. Still, I would eat sugar before aspartame any day of the week.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how the FUCK does aspartame being allegedly poisonous make high fructose syrup poisonous?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Colloquially, something is 'a poison' when it is poisonous in small enough doses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're both poisons used to create an obese public that supports the insurance/Big Pharm complex'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have yet to prove that high fructose syrup is poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obese? Now your premiums went up, and you pay more to get pill poisons to cure you from your food poisons'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not all poisons kill. A negative effect on the body counts as far as poison goes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Saying "It's poisonous if you go by MY bullshit definition" is not an actual argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '1) there isn't aspartame in rat poison, 2) the correct notation is !=, not that lame-assed =/='
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sugar is indeed poison, once you hit a certain dose - that dose being higher than the body (and its insulin factories) can support.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, again, are you calling rabbit poisonous?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sugar is only poisonous when consumed in a unnatural way as we do in a modern society. Sugar is not poisonous in the doses you get on a natural diet of vegetables and fruit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because rabbit works the exact same way high fructose syrup works.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No i doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it*'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cherries are fucking poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes it does, Ranrr.-'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In no way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rabbit will fill you up, but it has extremely little nutrients.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It has protein.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A diet consisting mostly or entirely of rabbit will fucking kill you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is 'rabbit' ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention that it's sickly sweet...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna - eat enough rabbit, and yes, it is poison.  By the accepted medical, scientific definition of 'poison'.  I bet you could eat a LOT more rabbit than sugar before you died, however.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but in a different way than a diet of only sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It contains pretty much ONLY protein.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't survive on protein alone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Vakieh. That's not the accepted, medical, scientific definition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's YOUR definition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you not see my reference? pretty sure I'm the only person here who brought one'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ingesting rabbit or high fructose corn syrup does NOT disrupt the way your body works!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, sorry, I meant Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ignore that, Vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dorland's medical dictionary'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, I recommend watching "Sugar: The bitter truth" by Robert Lustig. It's on youtube.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In the context of biology, poisons are substances that cause disturbances to organisms, usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism. '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's from wikipedia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Simply making you feel full without being full is not being poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Starling - always follow the footnotes - wikipedia is an excellent aggregator'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fructose causes fatty liver, the same way as alcohol.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or should we ban Chinese food?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'MSG bad too'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong with MSG'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's just a bullshit scare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No food should be banned. Just propely labeled.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Curiously enough, MSG was given a bad rap due to a single poorly executed study'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People ran around for years saying MSG caused cancer but ZERO studies prove that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'all food should be labelled "poisonous" '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I ate an entire 100 gram container of MSG, nothing bad happened to me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'because if you eat too much of it, you will die'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that 99% of South-East Asia isn't dropping dead on a yearly basis proves that MSG isn't poisonous of cancerous, considering the fact that 99% of all South-East Asian cuisine includes MSG.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That said, I can tell whether food has used much MSG at all about 30 mins after I eat it - crippling heart burn.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I use MSG almost every single fucking time I cook anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'MSG may not cause cancer but it makes me feel weird.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Observational studies can not prove anything, can only be used to make a hypothesis.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have NO CLUE how South-East asian cuisine works, Ranrr, if you don't think that the vast majority of SOuth-East Asian dishes contain MSG.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the third universal spice in SEA, with pepper and salt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's used for umami flavor - there are other ways to get it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think it's used more than pepper, in fact.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna - I cook South east asian food almost exclusively, and have never once used MSG or salt (outside of occasional non MSG soy sauce)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need a clinical trial to make such a point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Salt is not a spice'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You don't care"? Yet you can argue with complete confidence for your position, despite being willfully ignorant?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, but I know how science works.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you fucking Asian, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, you offering? :-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vakieh is North Korean'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why should we care?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He's a loyal member of the Worker's Party'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because one doesn't need to be born in a country to have learnt to cook food in a certain way'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "I eat Italian all the time!" because you buy pizza on a weekly basis.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because you want your statements to be scientific and not faux?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or maybe you don't care?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I myself learnt several Singaporean dishes from a native born chef who was a live in with some family I had living over there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you ask any (ethnically) South-East Asian person, one who either lives in the region or has lived there and emmigrated, they will tell you that MSG is an universal spice/condiment used in the vast majority of SEA cuisine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. Doesn't mean it's safe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that YOU, a non-Asian who happens to enjoy cooking Asian food, don't use MSG doesn't mean that MSG isn't a vital part of SEA cuisine. It just means you're doing it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sure you're not defending it because you use it all the time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And the fact this Actual Asian Lady taught me without any MSG means what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since MSG cannot have been around more than a few hundred years, it can't be a vital part of asian cooking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe because that was during the MSG scare? Maybe because you don't live in a region where you can get actual Asian ingredients but have to subsist on Asian STYLE cooking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who knows?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm not saying MSG is bad, simply saying that you don't HAVE to use it, and that 'everyone is using it, and everyone isn't dead' is not reputable science.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Monosodium glutamate, also known as sodium glutamate or MSG, is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, one of the most abundant naturally occurring non-essential amino acids"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In any case, MSG may or may not be harmful. It's disgusting anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can get pure MSG at wal-mart'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"One of the most ABUNDANT NATURALLY OCCURRING..."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Humans totally CREATED MSG 100 years ago and made it naturally occurring. Sounds legit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Professor Kikunae Ikeda from the Tokyo Imperial University isolated glutamic acid as a new taste substance in 1908 from the seaweed Laminaria japonica, kombu, by aqueous extraction and crystallization, and named its taste "umami".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anthrax is naturally occurring; what does that have to do with anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Naturally occuring things aren't automatically safe when you concentrate them or synthesize them. E.g. trans fatty acids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just that people used to get MSG by throwing in a bunch of leaves and stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"umami" is bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We just passed 100 years of MSG :-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'MSG tastes salty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now we can get MSG separately instead of having to use leaves and shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MSG does not taste salty. I do not knwo what kind of MSG you've tasted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't recommend using shit in cooking'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes it does, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You're debating too quickly today. Did everyone agree that fructose/carbs in the amounts usually eaten in wealthy countries are harmful to us?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's described as "brothy", but it's really more of a sweet/sour-like taste. It does not taste salty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that may be causing problems. The leaves were probably safe, the synthetic MSG may not be.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It tastes salty, Yuna.  You are wrong, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's fed to us and passed off as safe, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(There's an actual Swedish word for it, "syrligt", that doesn't mean translate into English. It's separate from salty, though)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'when did you all decide to wake up and just blast this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'Potato omelette with self-made mayonaisse and roasted chicken with garlic...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Everything all of you know is wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The synthetic MSG has not been proven to be harmful by a single study.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody disagreed with my statements, Tinada, so I guess yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Especially you!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"May not be safe" can be said about anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav points at you.  How rude! 
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you have conclusive proof that roasted chicken isn't harmful?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Stfu Botman.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Has been enough faulty studies on this subject?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling tells Jhav to "Shut the fuck up!"
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only way to know is to make clinical studies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"May not be safe" is not an actual valid argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A lack of clinical studies does not prove that something's dangerous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'you can point to me all you want to Jhav. All im saying is this all jsut came out of nowhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Do realize, though, that "studies" can be constructed to prove either point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everything's all backwards nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anything we have eaten for over 10k years is probably safe, anything less than that may not be.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The EPA/FDA conduct shitty studies with small sample sizes to get one glimpse of something to use as "scientific proof"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nowadays? At least nowadays we get studies - time was, the nobles or aristocrats simply said 'it's ok, now stfu peasants''
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, I will say: Cherries are poisonous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom's cherry was poisonous'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why'd you put it in your mouth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ranrr - I would clarify that by saying: Anything we have eaten enough over a long enough period of time natural selection has equipped us for.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who knows, it's possible that MSG is harmful if you down 2 kilograms of it every week. But who would ever do that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have eaten animals, fruits and vegetables (not grains or legumes) for millions of years, they are probably safe for us and we are adapted to them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's really a moot point. Cherry is poisonous, yet nobody's working to ban it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because almonds are fucking deadly, but we (usually) naturally reject the cyanide ones as tasting bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ideally you want an established physiological mechanism, failing that, experimental studies measuring physiologial changes. If you somehow can't do either, it's still possible to get useful info from experimental studies where you register simple outcomes (# of dead etc). If you rely on observational cohort studies, your field of science has probably gone wrong and turned into a publication machine for career people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'You guys should try spanish cuisine :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't saffron poisonous as well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's what it basically is Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There goes Spanish cuisine!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, saffron isn't poisonous. But cherry still is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just drop some names like Stanford/MIT and "scientific study", and you can get people to drink mercury'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Who knows. The same idiots who said eggs are good for you will say they are bad for you tomorrow. Just eat what the hell you want to eat. Life is short argue about food. If it tastes good, eat it. Who cares what people think.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'Well, I don't know if it's poisonous or not... but we use to have long lives, age slowly and don't get fat :/'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'So I guess spanish food is not bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Speaking of cyanide, I do believe cherry pits contain cyanide.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So make sure not to puncture any cherry pits. Those deadly, deadly cherry pits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Then you might want to go back some years and see what changed around the time when people started gaining lots of weight :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna - the natural human response is to spit the pit - even children can do it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nyine: In what alternative universe did we "use to have long lives"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Human beings are living longer than ever in recorded human history.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fictional religious characters like Moses do not count.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'in recorded human history'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was making a point, Vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We're living longer thanks to better medicine, though, not because of higher overall/basic health'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'By long lives I meant around 90s :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Don't be an idiot."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When? 10 years ago?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And we no longer are living 'til around the 90's?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie. surviving "lifestyle diseases" longer'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More people are living 'til they're 90 than EVER before.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'At this point, I doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'prepubescent kids are obese and filled with "poisons"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that SOME idiots choose to become morbidly obese or clog up their arteries does not mean the human lifespan has shortened, somehow.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, up until now, at least :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those people are fucking idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'Ok ok! I'll stop smoking!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: '...not'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is one hypothesis - during the space of one generation, most americans became stupid and lazy and therefore obese.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I support free universal healthcare, but, seriously, fucking idiots who go out of their way to lead lifestyles that are proven to be harmful should have to pay for their own damn medical expenses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not entirely sure that it is convincing, being based on, you know, a shortage of science :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the trap Yuna; the people forced to eat the poison are generally lower income'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '>>fucking idiots who go out of their way to lead lifestyles that are proven to be harmful'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The middle classes that choose to indulge is another story'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is almost COMPLETELY linked to poor education.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You aren't forced to eat "the poison". That's just lazy talk.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna, will you pay for the medical care we need to treat the loss of neurons caused by reasing your incessant bullshit?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So what changed in the US lifestyle over the past 30-40 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you're on welfare, you are; it's all you can afford'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'See, I misspelled 'reading' !  Your horseshit rants are damaging our brains!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There was recently an article where some lazyass projects reject whined about how the closest store to her that sold "healthy food" (read: Fucking fresh vegetables) was 1 mile away from her house.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1 fucking mile. I can WALK that far without much effort.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'You are really getting me hungry'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Laziness can be part of it, but general ignorance and lack of resources are the bigger driving forces'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She's never even entertained the idea of walking, biking or hitching a ride with friends there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just "It's not down on the street corner? Well FUCK that."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fresh vegetables, not that extremely expensive. Healthy food? Not much more expensive than McDOnalds or whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just easier and faster to just swing by your closest McFuckYou to slowly go morbidly obese.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'Wait, in USA McDonalds is cheaper than fresh food?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yes, and more ubiquitous'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Besides, I'm pretty sure eating 1 serving of McDonald's frequently doesn't not make you obese. It's eating 2-3 servings in one sitting that does.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'I was born in the wrong country :'('
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's eating it 3 meals a day for years that does'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People are idiots. They don't realize that maybe they shouldn't have 3 times the "normal" intake of food and expect not to become morbidly obese.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'mcfuckyou's food is addictive and you'll find yourself wanting more and more'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not that they're consuming huge volumes, though some are'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '3 meals a day at McDonalds cannot possibly be cheaper than 3 meals a day cooked in your own kitchen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it also cannot possibly make your morbidly obese. Overweight and unhealthy, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MORBIDLY obese? Hardly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I disagree, Santher'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We might want to scale down the idiot rhetoric a bit. Realistically, people become obese after storing 5-20% of their daily caloric intake as fat over a long period of time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'I don't stop eating and I don't get obese :('
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never found myself addicted to anything McDonald's has to offer, anyway. It's not like their stuff tastes very good.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had to eat McDonalds for the first time in 15 years or so, back when I went on a geology field trip.  It was vile.  I never want to touch it again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not as though people suddenly started eating three times what they used to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So what changed to make people store more fat?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's like smoking starling'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'HORMONES'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'Global Warming!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'BISPHENOL-A'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'just had to eat more'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NUCLEAR WEAPONS'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NORTH KOREA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: '...the Spanish Inquisition?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher takes a cigarette from her pack and offers one to Starling.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pop quiz: Fresh carrots. 30 cents a kilogram. True or not true?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher is not a rabbit.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me rephrase that. Fresh carrots, 15 cents a pound. True or not true?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'True - IN CHINA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's fucking true in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you from Sweden?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have no idea what kind of food industry you guys are running.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'One that backs the insurance/Big Pharm complex'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hm... I didn't take the waning dollar rate into account. Let me rephrase that. 30 cents a pound, around 70 cents a kilogram.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more like usd 1.5 per pound of carrot in Norway'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I've seen as low as about $1/pound this year'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Norway is friggin' expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think we pay about AU$2 a kilo bag here?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oslo is the most expensive capital to live in all of Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'are they organic?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not always that cheap, but you can find bargains like that frequently if you comparison shop. Strictly speaking, you shouldn't be paying more than 70 cents a pound, EVER, in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if not, it's full of growth hormones'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'the $2? doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't buy organic. I just buy tasty and cheap.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're likely full of growth hormone'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not organic, but Norway has rather more restrictions on "non-organic" food than the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, for the purposes of this discussion, unless it's got to do with pricing, anything that applies in Sweden mostly likely applies in Norway as well and vice verse.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie. hormones, most us antibiotic stuff etc isn't legal at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Sweden has pretty much the same restrictions as Norway on "non-organic" food.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How are those 20 dollar pizzas treating you, Tinada? :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the last pizza I bought cost $44'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck kind of pizza was that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'enough to feed two grown up men, roughly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a Norwegian one..'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, 44 dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bought 1kg of organic carrots yesterday, they cost 12 sek, i.e. about 2 dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you can get organic carrots that cheaply?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That was a bargain, they are usually more like 20 SEK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, this is country that has an effective tax rate of 25% on all food items.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So that's 1.75 dollars INCLUDING tax.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which it likely should be'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prices are inflated here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'to drive people to the GMO product'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but before you pay those 25% VAT you have paied around 30% tax on the money you have in your pocket. + your employer has payed some 30% tax before that on the money he payed you in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but we get paid more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but we are also not bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And no, we don't get double taxation on our wagse.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's something called "employer's fees", but those are not 30%.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for changes in the US compared to 1970 - 1. Greater income inequality, possibly relevant for who can afford to buy healthy good, 3. Dietary shift from fat to carbs (about 12% of caloric intake changed, iirc - mostly from sugars, HFCS etc), 4. Overall caloric intake increased by 5-10%, 4. Slightly more sedentary lifestyles (maybe?)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'healthy food, I mean..'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Make #4 #1 Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, all of our stuff is cheaper than yours except fast food. I can't believe the rent you guys pay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also counting fail!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I knew a 20-something guy who lived on his own who paid 1200 dollars a month for his apartment... in MARYLAND.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People have been sold instant gratification shake-weight-while-you-stuff-your-face lifestyles'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That depends on where in the country you live, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, the U.S. is a 1984 dystopia'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It'll be hard to extrapolate your native experience and wonder why things are so different here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Baltimore). I live in a 2-bed room apartment that's quite spacious and in good a neighbourhood 15 minutes by metro away from the city centre. My rent is 870 dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If you think that, DosseT, you need to re-read 1984.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ranrr, Baltimore, Maryland, is NOT some kind of metropolitan city.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'FDA = Food drugging Administration, Department of War = Department of Defense, approved products = poison'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everything is backwards'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, let me rephrase that. It wasn't even IN Baltimore. It was in a town OUTSIDE of Baltimore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jhav is a bot.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1200 fucking dollars. In 2006.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Beep.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Best 1984 example is "Homeland security" imho'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling gasps at Jhav's actions, uttering "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's some bullshit level of pricing right there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, Civil Defense gets renamed Homeland Security...brilliant'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yeah, homeland security is a bit silly.  But it's mostly just a waste of money as opposed to some vast conspiracy to remove human rights,.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stand corrected. Apparently, the employer's fee IS actually 30%.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '1984, Kallocain, Brazil, Equilibrium, V for Vendetta. Anyone got anything to add to that list?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A waste of money, why, though? To protect the people from bogeymen?  To groom people to accept surveillance from themselves? Lots of possibilities'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not that that matters. It's not coming out of the worker's wages, i.e. the wages don't get taxed 30% + 30%. It affects wages, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hell, The Giver is a red-pill book for kids'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, mostly to try and convince the voting population that their elected officials are Tough On Terrorism and acting to Protect The Children.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I almost forgot DosseT was a conspiracy theorist. He was sounding kinda lucid for a while there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Try to*'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'a la Fast and the Furious gunrunning?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Call it conspiracy, but there's a century old track record here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Gulf of Tonkin in Vietnam, Operation Northwoods for Cuba'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For a joke, try to find the US govt definition of terrorism/terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hell, the U.S.S. Cole and BP Platform were CIA operations'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes... the BP Platform was a CIA operation...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Do your research'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, you have proof for this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you provide sources.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's funny how it's always the most insane debaters who throw out bullshit and then scream "Do your research!" when prompted for sources.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You disprove since you're challenging it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav sighs.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Aside from common knowledge like the fact Tony Hayward sold 1/3 of his stock before it happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and other empirical facts'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not how debates work, DoessT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Things like this flash in the mainstream media then disappear from the limelight'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The challenger of a fatc doesn't have to disprove shit. The person who threw a "fact" out has to prove its veracity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're the one that didn't do your follow-up to what the media fed you'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how the FUCK am I supposed to disprove if? By simply NOT finding any proof FOR it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '"The US government is posioning the brocolli supply!" -> "No it isn't." -> "Oh yeah?  PROVE that it isn't!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you in fact Chemosh's less insane alternate personality?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a teapot floating around at one of the lagrange points. They call me crazy, but no one has disproven it...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have many data points that together provide a picture that is not what was sold to the public'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's true, you certainly haven't disproved that you are crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you have not provided a single one of these dat points.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'data'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that some guy who I assume works for the CIA allegedly sold his stocks in BP just prior to the spill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, that proves the CIA orchestrated that spill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That "guy" is the CEO of BP'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In order to... make people more accepting of alternate energy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No.. to close the Gulf of Mexico'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How does the CEO selling his stocks in his own company just prior to an oil spill prove CIA involvement?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It doesn't directly - it shows premeditation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are, of course, other dots along the way'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It doesn't mean anything more than someone told him to sell'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, the CIA just rung him up and said "We're totally gonna orchestrate a spill. Sell!"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the FUCK would the CIA tell him?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They wouldn't - don't take it so literally'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you cannot show us a SINGLE ONE of those alleged dots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can - you won't accept them as data because your mind has been decided'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Don't take it so literally"? So what the FUCK are you arguing here? "There was a coincidence. Which may or may not prove something. Don't focus so much on it."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's just you not having any "points of data".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyine: 'I blame on the Illuminati'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you're right. If your "Points of data" are on the same level as "The CEO of BP sold his stock in BP prior to the spill", they're probably garbage.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What's this about closing the Gulf of Mexico?  There was a temporary ban on new drilling, but that expired more than a year and a half ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you in fact Chemosh's alt? You have yet to disprove that accusation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And there has been plenty of new drilling since.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think dosset is a transdimentional reptilian and he's trying to direct us away from the REAL conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'who stood to gain from the BP gulf of Mexico blowout oil-spill'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I haven't seen Chemosh in, like, 3 weeks and in his absense, at least 3 new insane conspiracy theorists have arrived on the scene to out-crazy him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"transdimensional". And yes, they're taking over!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh hurray, the other voice of "reason"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT, do you in fact believe that Hitler didn't really hate the Jews because he once didn't even mention the Jews in a speech?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh kept the craziers at bay'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. the dedicated crazy outcrazied the other lunatics :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think they were all just humbled by his craziness. They recognized him as their leader and let him fly their flag.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'He has the superior crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or they were afraid of being identified as crazy, but with Chemosh mostly gone nowadays, they're scrambling to usurp his rightful place as King of Crazies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'information is out there, you just don't acknowledge it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'peruse http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl2/did-bp-know-well-would-blow.html for some basic info'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Give us the fucking information or shut the fuck up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The game is much deeper than "a platform exploded"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's all based off of money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jfk shooting was staged by stanley cubric. in space.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Hey dude, did you know?  Radiation from computer monitors destroys brain cells at an incredible rate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't need to qualify known fact'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You need to learn it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So your ONLY source is a 3rd rate political blog by a no-name who can't even afford some basic design strategies?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Adolf delegated -- the followers of Adolf took the opportunity to do things'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, black on white? 1992 era HTML coding?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Find whatever reasons to reject the data'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'follow the money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Also, bread is deadly toxic to the human digestic system.  100% of people who have eaten bread have died or will die.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tony sold off 1/3rd of his stocks. WHy not half? Why not all of it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'YOU NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH AND LEARN THESE THINGS'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ignore Jhaw when debating ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I see nothing here but a bunch of coincidences. That hackjob blogger didn''
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I see nothing here but a bunch of coincidences. That hackjob blogger didn't even have the balls to come out and say what he's clearly insinuating.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, please do.  My ignore list has been so very very empty :('
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Jesse Ventura wrote a book on it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's using weasel words such as "Did X do Y" because he knows he can't prove shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'was the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your fragile world view will find whatever reason to reject a dose of reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's classic weaseling. Accuse someone of something by saying "The 'facts' indicate there MAY be a conspiracy, but there is NO PROOF, but I'm going to this out there anyway".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your reality is frightening and I applaud anyone who rejects it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stay in the Matrix then'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have NOT answered by questions, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have yet to prove that you aren't actually just an alternate personality of Chemosh'.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's known fact that BP was premeditated'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What say you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'nothing to prove'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now it's "KNOWN FACT"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you have ZERO PROOF?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't be chemosh. not crazy enough'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Consider the inverse: your argument that it was just an explosion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now the English language is clearly wrong in its definition of the term "known fact"!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You qualify to me your argument of how it was just an explosion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My argument is that you're fucking insane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Where's your proof?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That there was an explosion?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's your belief, yes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ad hominem, Yuna loses the debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's my proof that there was an explosion? The fact that there was an explosion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That it was a mundane, normal explosion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my argument is that people are too fucking incompetent to carry out this shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't see Yuna making ANY claims.  She's just asking for you to back yours.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Which of course, you are not and will not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dagnir: Manhattan Project'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I have a penis, BTW)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everything is divided and compartmentalized'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is well known that accidents never happen except as a result of evil plots and conspiracies! That waitress who spilled water on me?? It must be a CIA agent, and that was no water, it was slow acting poison meant to silence me!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which leaves lizard people as the only realistic version'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The Russians were spying on the Manhattan project the whole time'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You have a female username, you should be used to it by now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If it were a normal break, why did it take 4 months for them to identify the source?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and they never did'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, that was Chemosh' sister/accomplish/incestual lover/DosseT's cousin (all of those things).'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sounds like the case of the missing evidence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She's now cackling evilly while stroking DosseT's hair. Quickly, eat a babboon's ass! It's the only cure!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eating your mom's ass will not cure anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(lack of information about event) -> (wild speculation about event leading to government conspiracy)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like lack of information of the alleged event'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If this were an explosion, why did they never identify what went wrong where?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT, are you, in fact, as many speculate, Kim Yeong-Eu in disguise?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If not, can you prove to us that you are not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'strong avoidance of the topic'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Give me 20 minutes and I'll likely be able to pull up a bullshit website accusing you of beign Kim Yeong-Un.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Summoner Yuna seems to be loving Vost's welcome to North Korea.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think lots of ppl lack information, or does not want information, about an event. They want to use their own creativity and design "facts" that fit in the world they like to live in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You mean Kim Jong-un?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that crazy chinaman?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'hmm, that social has been changed'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jong/Yeong, pretty sure it's the same name just romanized differently.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kim Jong-un is the leader of North Korea'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Such a dramatic emotional response is usually indicative of some sort of internal upheaval...an undesired one'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you in fact a fat North Korean dictator, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The irony in this is that if you were to find evidence enough that there were a mundane explosion, I could change my stance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I thought it was called Naughty Korea so you won't confuse it with Nice Korea.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You, however, don't seem able to say the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You will not, though, find evidence that it was a mundance explosion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's evidence there's a mundane explosion. You just choose to ignore it since it's come from the mouth of BP'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Relegate it to "conspiracy" if it keeps you in your bubble'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are strongly J-type'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you referring to the Deepwater Horizon explosion?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'realize that authorities can and will lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From Wikipedia: "At approximately 9:45 pm CDT, on 20 April 2010, high-pressure methane gas from the well expanded into the drilling riser and was released onto the drilling rig, where it ignited and exploded, engulfing the drilling rig."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes Starling'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's not evidence of anything, because authorities will and can lie!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't think it was premeditated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wikipedia is lies and propaganda regarding recent history'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So what kind of evidence do you want, DosseT?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the well kicked and it was handled incompetently.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I work in the oilfield, you would be amazed at some of the idiots who work out here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's Wikipedia quoting the Coast Guard. But clearly the Coast Guard was lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The kind that everybody knows and is self-evident Yuna.  Like the government poisoning our water!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What kind of evidence do you want, DosseT? Apparently, ANY evidence we can provide will just be government lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jhav's botting is self-evident, yet he gets to go free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, starling is in with the conspirators now'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'STATE CONSPIRACY'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Follow the government by your nose rings then'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you in fact Osama bin Laden's 12th son, Crazee, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what if your nose is fucking paranoid?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for you answer the question of what you consider proof.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not "in with the conspirators"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm waiting for yours'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Find me evidence that there was a structural failure, and what and where it was'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, you consider a number of minor coincidences such as the fact that CEO of BP sold 1/3rd of his stocks in BP a month before the explosion as proof of a conspiracy, but the Coast Guard stating that it was an accident not to be proof.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you work on oil fields. you have to be one of the lizard people who blows shit up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deepwater Horizon was a combination of oilfield cockiness, cost-cutting measures, incompetent technicians, that sort of thing.  It happens all the time out here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the words of the Coast Guard, the commission and anyone who investigated the oil rig is not proof.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So whose words do you want, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the Coast Guard just cleans shit up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't blow shit up.  That being said, my rig did experience a downhole fire the other day.  Melted the bit, the air hammer, and the bottom 300 feet of the drill string.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all the action happened in the financial markets'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'selling puts/calls, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you in fact Joseph Fritzl, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aha! that must be a part of some major plot. i'll go see if anyone has traded stocks during this year'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling has just bypassed Summoner Yuna's anus and connected his intestines directly to his mouth.  Now Summoner Yuna can REALLY talk some shit.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is Chemosh in fact YOUR saner alternate personality and you've finally wrested back control of your body from him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Chemosh is one of my alter personalities'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It turns out people were trading stocks BOTH when the Watergate scandal happened, AND when we landed on the moon.  There is a link here people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are your parents in fact Bella Whatever (Swan?) and Edward Cullen, which explains your insanity?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You need to open your eyes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah. chemosh is a paranoid schizo. dosset is just paranoid'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's easy to preserve your world view using reductio ad absurdum'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This just seems to be a biological coping mechanism/response'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'In your case, no reduction is needed.,'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I preserve my world view by using drugs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Find me evidence that it was an explosion, and I can consider that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The absurdity is on the face of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You haven't found any'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's easy to claim you have all the facts and the opposition has none by claiming coincidences to be established fact while established fact is just bullshit the government made up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, any evidence we find will just be dismissed as "The government is lying!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what you don't realize is that you will call anything presented made-up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's how the coping algorithm works'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It wasn't an explosion per se, it was a well kick.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"I'm not fat, I'm curvy"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do your parents in fact hate your guts, which is why they haven't tried to ahve you committed for your own good?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom hates your guts, wishes she had aborted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... you do realize that is EXACTLY what you are doing DosseT, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I haven't actually called any of your "facts" made-up, DosseT. That's YOUR M.O.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that your "facts" are a serious of irrelevant coincidences.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Present to me facts supporting your side, and I can consider it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not here to debate pointlessly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Actually, I'm tired of feeding the troll.  It's been fun though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you can convince me, I'll be convinced'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't find anything, is the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I couldn't either, which is what started it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prove to me you aren't in fact Hitler, who's finally come out of hiding.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Back to botting, Jhav?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If it makes you happy to think so, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have yet to present anything for me to label as made up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'find something'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you won't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jhav is really Zibest.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how about stormlord?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's assume that you are ACTUALLY correct, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Sweet.  I competed against myself a bunch of times.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those two oil refinery explosions that somebody mentioned recently - was that fiction or indications of a business conspiracy which may or may not involve the governments'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and lost too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'THAT'S some fast fingerwork.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes, at least!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Bizzaro World, where there is currently no evidence for that that explosion was spontaneous and not induced on purpose. A lack of evidence for one thing does not imply evidence for another.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe they've just been unable to determine the exact cause of the explosion. That happens sometimes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It does not mean that there is evidence that the explosion was induced on purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why would they induce an explosion on purpose?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Goldman Sachs moving money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, apparently, BP bought a company that cleans up oil spills shortly before the disaster and got in on cleaning up the oil spill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're in the business of making money, last I checked the accident cost them money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, they wanted to lose hundreds millions in order to make change by cleaning in the spill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is Bizarro World, Starling.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hundreds of millions?  They lost billions :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the Obama administration gain from the BP spill'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, it's actually billions? I stand hideously corrected and shamed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I find these sort of ultra-right conspiracy theories are pretty insulting... There's an undercurrent of "oh, americans are exceptional and would never make a mistake unless it was deliberate, but foreigners are sub-human incompetents who could obviously never pull a surprise attack like pearl harbour or 911 without our permitting it!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If it were premeditated, there's no way in hell it could be kept secret'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wondering why they did it leads more to speculation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the Jap'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That certain events occurred is not speculation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pearl Harbour was likely orchestrated by the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ding!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The Manhattan Project was supposedly super-secret, yet the Russians infiltrated it to the highest levels.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Damn enter key... In the Japs or US's defence, Pearl Harbour was a SERIOUS blunder by the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was secret to Americans, Starling'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The participants themselves didn't know what they were doing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DosseT, they sure as shit did'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They were building a fucking bomb, of course they knew what they were doing :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hush, Vakieh. Bizarro World, remember.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'pearl harbour was a minor skirmish compared to later or earlier events...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nuclear scientist: "gee, I'm making plans for a bomb that could wipe out a city, but I have no idea what I'm doing!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pearl Harbour got the USA into the world war  -- hence the whitehouse administration was likely involved in the orchestration'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'uhhh let's see, induce critical mass here, explosives there... yep, no idea what I'm doing in this super secret govt project.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ironically, I don't consider Forbes to be legitimate information, but here is more money background: http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2010/05/18/bp-goldman-sued-oil-fraud/'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'pretty sure the U.S. and Japan were already AT war with each other prior to Pearl Harbour.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Economic only, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course they knew. And engineers still, today, justify for themselves that making weapons are a good thing. I don't know how they do that, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Much like the US/Euro and US/China is now'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only through embargo, etc. Although there were a few... incidents.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ranrr, in the long run, nukes saved more lives than they took'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Vakieh the long run is really not over yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Terrorism rarely saves lives.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even if you only look at WWII, the net difference is plain. Though yes, I'm banking on no nuclear winter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Atomic bombs kick ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Good heavens. The Nobel Peace Prize has been won by the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how wierd is that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobel Peace Prize is horseshit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Obama won one while prosectuing multiple wars...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'About as weird as giving it to Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, FFS.  Even Al Gore got one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so they gave the prize to an organisation they're part of. heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stupid norwegians, they should not be allowed to call it "Nobel" peace prize.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Vakieh, the strange thing with Obama is that they gave him one before he'd had time to do anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'they aren't Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except there's a stark differences between the lives lost and the lives that would've been lost: 200,000 innocent civilians and soldiers who would've allegedly lost their lives in battle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the norweigians get no say in the matter at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Nobel Prize is not awarded by Norwegians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Noble peace prize committee seems swayed by political motivations (including political bribery) these days'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, Yuna. The Nobel peace prize is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it's AWARDED in Norway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swalec looks stuff up on Wikipedia and realises that he is totally wrong
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Nobel Prizes are awarded by a panel of 5 council members.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hey, I've learned something on debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'thank you Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'These can be Swedish OR Norwegian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if those 5 council menmbers are crazy ... or swayed by intimidation or bribery ...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i like it how yanks think that europe is a country :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's stupid is that the rules of the foundation blatantly state that they have to be five MEN.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the EU is similar to a cuntry'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it's similar to a continent. You know, like Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'define "cuntry"!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or, you know, like America.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are trade agreements and laws which they all share. Kinda like how the U.S. and Canada have a partnership.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'pretty sure the definition of "country" isn't "partnership among land masses".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or are you saying Israel is a part of the U.S.?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it's part of florida'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, BTW, the EU isn't the only way european countries associate with each other or have trade agreements. It's just one of many.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Schengen is another one, that's almost as important.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'schengen is awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's an easy way to tell if something is a real "country" or not. Does it have a military far in excess of its parts, fully responsible for its own defence?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A country must have a military?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'someone should tell costa rica'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it doesn't, it's really a puppet of whoever's providing its defence...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some suspect that the fourth branch of the USA government (in an advisory or else position) is israel'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a very US view of the world, Sonshi.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a very realistic view...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Obama is doing a fine job of dicking over Israel right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For a imperialistic country that bases it's power on military, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Never understood why the U.S. is such a blind and staunch support of Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to be fully sovereign if someone else is your protector'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because Israel kicks ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is Obama dicking over Israel  (and what is "dicking over" -- showering gifts or pissing)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe both'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Israel is a great platform for inducing disorder in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That was the reason it was created.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thank the British'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Conspiracy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoKSh14l_Ko'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Vindicated http://www.zerohedge.com/article/internal-bp-document-confirms-matt-simmons-worst-case-prediction-spill-rate-100000-barrels-d'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More info http://real-agenda.com/2010/12/16/the-bp-oil-spill-conspiracy-you-didnt-hear-about/'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Have fun'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm waiting for mine'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... a video by a conspiracy theorist with no evidence asking the weasel question "Was X Y:ed by Z?" and two conspiracy theory sites with no evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure smells like vindication!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not looking good for Obama now'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw some really wacky theories today'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously a republican supporter'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not American'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if I were, i'd be a Libertarian supporter'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously a nonAmerican republican supporter'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're obviously a troll'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously a nonAmerican republican supporter, posing as a Libertarian, and is paranoid of trolls'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stop fighting kids or I'll take away your toys'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you like to add extremist conspiracy theorist to that too?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade's just upset because he won't get an obamaphone'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has Obama been wearing an Islamic wedding ring since 1981?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inscribed with the Shahada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then further rumours coming out that he's gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'take it "jokes" forum'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't, the ring is fact'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'aren't those quite old rumours?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I suppose we'll have to wait another generation before someone digs into Obama's actual past and gives us all the facts, boring or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have silenced or bumped off most of the people who know anything about it though'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Barack Obama's ring (not his wedding ring) features what appears to be snakes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or something. Whatever they are, they're not friggin' Arabic writing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'boooring..might at least have been dragons'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/weddingring.asp'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we were talking about the ring he wears on his wedding finger'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He wears only one ring.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doesn't look like a wedding band. Not everyone wears their wedding band every single day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Imagine that, you perpetuating more conspiracy theories to discredit Barack Obama using the weasel way of asking "Is it true that..." when you probably know that it's a blatant lie.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess you didn't like being upstaged by DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's likely given that he was taught Islamic Studies in Indonesia between 1967 and 1971 that it is indeed a ring inscribed with the Shahada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I imagine there would be more bias against a gay president than a black president'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or candidate, whatever'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not likely at fucking all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That link I gave you has a close-up hi-res photo of that ring.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just snakes or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same close-up hi-res image i've seen elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a random ring with absolutely no Arabic inscriptions on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad you've examined this ring in person, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how the flying FUCK did you equate those snakes or whatever with Arabic?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look nothing like snakes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm glad YOU have to be able to conclude that it's Arabic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Glyphic representation of snakes. Or just random shit. It's not Arabic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you go off your meds again? This is crazier than normal, even for you, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Usually, you at least TRY to appear to not be crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine it's quite a popular design'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That has NOTHING to do with Arabic verses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not fucking Arabic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me what arabic symbols those ringling thingies are supposed to represent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like it's very popular to have masonic symbology on rings'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'patriarch Kirill has a 30k$ wristwatch. that much more meaningful'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean necessarily the person buying it or wearing it is a mason'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like you saw Paul Ryan being utterly destroyed by Joe Biden and decided to do some damage control by reviving the old bullshit rumour of Obama being a Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is this why you're trying to outcrazy DosseT and Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And using every weasel tactic known to man?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden just came across as a crazy grumpy old man who kept interupting someone younger than him'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Is it true...?" "It's most probably an Islamic design. I'm not saying he's a Muslim for wearing it ,though!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though he did far better than Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan lied through his teeth the entire time and refused to give specifics. He just told us what he planned to do without telling us how he planned on achieving his goals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, again, he LIED through his fucking teeth, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did he lie about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Right, because Obama wasn't expecting Romney to lie through his teeth...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYTHING. What DIDN'T he lie about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about the unemployment rate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did he lie about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he lie about the unemployment rate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney was more subtle in his lies, Pedwiddle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, he did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'During the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no he didn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you suffering from sudden onset ADHD?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he asked about the unenmployment rate in Biden's home state, no?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claimed it was at 8 or 8.5% (can't remember atm). It's at fucking 7.2%'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As of September, it is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the latest official unemployment rates for september are artificially low because a state didn't submit their start of quarter data'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Keep telling yourself that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which isn't much different to the UK governemt a decade ago changing the unemployment rate from being the unemployment rate to being the rate of people claiming unemployment benefit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never start an argument about a debate by saying "x quote statistic wrong"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be on a hiding to nothign VERY time'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice neither of those kooks were prepared to stand up against American empirism and war'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not even making sense anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll be hiding to nothing very time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where was the debate on the role of central government vs states'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's another blatant lie: Paul Ryan claimed that Democrats support abortion "without restriction and with taxpayer funding".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is demonstrably false.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where was the discussion on home security'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on what the time of day is, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you liar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That depends on NOTHING since the Democrats have put it into LAW that no taxes will ever go to fund abortions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, but it's true - ryan and romney change their opinion on abortion as often as their underwear'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or rather, they have not tried to repeal the laws that stipulate that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you just illiterate now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan claimed that DEMOCRATS support "without restriction and with taxpayer funding"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is a blatant LIE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already happens, NGO's do abortions'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who CARES what Ryan and Romney think? Ryan LIED about what Democrats think. You asked for lies, I'm providing them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're politicians, yuna, politicians lie, doesn't matter which colour their flag is painted'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK does NGO doing abortions equate to TAX PAYER MONEY going to fund abortions?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the government funds them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said he lied, you acted outraged and demanded I specify when he lied.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I give you concrete examples and now it's all "Politicians lie all the time!"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked what he lied about'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, you're not a weasel at all!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians lying isn't exactly news to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just... don't talk to me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there should be a radical wing in the democratic party (like the tea party). they should demand mandatory abortions for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait 'til your Partners in Insanity Chemosh and DosseT log on and you can have your little Triumvirate of Crazy in peace.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Maher heads it, and Bill Gates and Henry Kissinger are paid up members'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Hyde amendment, government can't fund abortions, true since 1976.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna, if he is a weasel, do not say that he is not a weasel, '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When there's more than one of you active on Debate at the same time, I don't even have the energy to read your rants and ravings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not surprised given how much energy it takes to froth at the mouth like you do'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you been chewing cyanide capsules again?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cyrni, Tigernuts doesn't let pesky little details such as facts bother him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would get in the way of his outrage at the politics of a country he does not live in and knows very little about.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this place has gone to hell since chemosh was institutionalized or started taking his meds'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh was institutionalized?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Explains his absense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i forgot, everyone who doesn't agree with your far left rants is ignorant'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know if it was. these are my two theories'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if he was*'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who claims U.S. tax payer money is going to fund abortions should STFU.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What is interesting is the actual employment figures more than the reported unemployment. Employment remains about 4% lower than pre-crash, and median and mean real wages are down 8% or so since the dot.com bubble, jobs, particularly jobs created since 2008 are increasingly part time and poorly paid service jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you short?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but this channel seems to be cursed with constant amount of crazy. chemosh was using it all up and doing everyone else a favor'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'All of that has little to do with Obama, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, Chemosh outcrazied all of the crazies and kept them at bay. I think even THEY were in awe of him and decided to let him speak for them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With him gone, the crazies are all vying for the spot of Top Crazy and trying to outcrazy each other at different times of the day, which means at we never go more than 3 hours without a healthy dose of crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU got Nobel Peace Prize today'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i nearly fell out of my chair laughing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'total employment has been recovering, but a bit too slowly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not funny. pretty sad actually'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you have to laugh, Dagnir, otherwise you'd get angry and depressed'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'almost as bad as giving it to obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't want to hear about it. The nobel prize committee has been an embarassment for the past 20 years and it's not getting any better'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like Nigel Farage's response on telly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so austerity at this juncture would really crash employment...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe next year it goes to israel for keeping peace in gaza?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which makes the election a critical one'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, it's Norwegian, they're all a bit off in the head'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give it to Al-Quaida'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wasn't Hitler nominated just before ww2?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for their work keeping peace in Libya and Syria'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give it to the Taliban!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he was times' man of the year'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet again your ignorance rears it ugly head.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While being racist, no less.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did anyone hear something?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Norwegians of the world, Tigernuts just insulted all of you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the Nobel Peace Prize is not Norwegian. It's just handed out in Norway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh well, i'm going to call it a day. nuts said something i somewhat agreed with'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by a committee headed by a Norwegian'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By a binational committee consisting of Swedes and Norwegians. I believe the current committee is predominately Swedish.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presented by the Norwegian Nobel Committee on behalf of Alfred Nobel's estate'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like calling the E.U. by the nationality of whoever the sitting chairman or whatever s/he's called is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clues in the title "Norwegian Nobel Committee"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to be pedantic, sure, call it "Scandinavian"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which part of the EU gets the cash from the Nobel Peace prize'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hope it's me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The committee is selected by the Norwegian Parliament, and unsurprisingly consists of (former) Norwegian politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1OQBjJmeY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'commentary by good ole Max Keiser'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It has also been quite some time since they gave up pretending to follow Nobel's testament and began using the peace prize to further whatever political agenda the current members favour'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Seems like our world is running out of peace. Or the committee is running out of ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to be fair, severarl of the recent recipients might arguably deserve the prize'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad in a world running out of peace that both presidential candidates are warmongers, and so is pretty much all of Nato'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear the UK passed a defence treaty with Bahrain today?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for fuck sake'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just suck the dick of Satan and be done with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.K. passed a defense treaty with Bahrain today and you didn't open with that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Instead you tried to defend Paul Ryan for his lies, tried to slam Obama for being a Muslim and talked trash about Norwegians?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i started last night with "UK jails a man for 4 months for wearing a t-shirt"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know where your priorities lie.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tigernuts, was he naked below waist?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the man who was sent to jail for "wearing a t-shirt"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it had the slogan "One less pig, perfect justice" on it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reference to an incident where 2 policewomen died a few weeks back'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not very considerate of him I'd say'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not at all, but it was an overeaction, and one that really doesn't do the image of the police or the judiciary much good'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're withholding the entire truth (as usual).'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The T-Shirt ALSO said "killacopforfun.com".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have asked him to remove the tshirt, or fined him'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure that's encouraging violence against a group of people, which is against the law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if he'd insulted mohammad instead of the police, he'd be a conservative hero and they'd be defending his right to free speech... picked on the wrong guys there...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He did this TWO HOURS after two police officers died in a shocking gun and grenade attack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure it is, else he wouldn't have been prosecuted for a public order offence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't complaining about the arrest, yuna, but the sentance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is killacopforfun.com a legitimate website'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He pleaded guilty to, and I quote, "a public order offense".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you just openly INSANE now, Tigernuts?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'One should not encourage violence against anyone. Questor is the only exception. And maybe Commander Barcett as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that the people responsible for rigging the interbank loan rates haven't gone to prison at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor did the cop that killed a man during the g20 protests'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying he WASN'T sentenced for a public order offense?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor did the cops that shot an unarmed man in tottenham last year that lead to the riots'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was jailed for 4 months for a public order offence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERY single fucking source for this story states that he was convicted of a public order offense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi just got the easiest campaign ever! he only has to kill 6 Crows, 1 Kitten and 3 ElFeneris.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't convicted of inciting violence against police'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again I must ask you, Tigernuts, do you EVER fact check ANYTHING before going on your signature ignorant rants?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that barcett...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if saying something offensive was illegal, you'd be in prison, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Inciting violence and encouraging violence are different things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, who knows, maybe he managed to plead it down for a lesser sentence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possible'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the report didn't mention that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they normally do'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They usually don't for such minor articles.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is a guy who pleaded guilty and who also only got 4 months for breaching the terms of a prior sentence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(For 8 months in total). Pretty sure you usually get more than 4 months for that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He probably got a plea deal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, 8 months is a long time for UK prison terms, our prison are overfull'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That or it's not inciting violence unless you're actually openly asking people to commit violent acts, as in walking around telling people to kill cops.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's 8 months for TWO offenses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not a single one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '4 months each.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric and gas prices to go up 9% in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'qreset prices go up 23% on aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proliferation of t9's'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market with a daemon manipulating it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'several demons!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all dancing on the head of a pin!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK do the Republicans keep getting crazy science-denying wingnuts on the House Committee for Science and Technology?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same reason that Democrats got crazy mad-scientist evil corporation nuts into positions of authority'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, not only is Todd Akin of "Women's bodies have ways to shut down the reproductive system in cases of legitimate rape" fame a member, but so is Paul Broun, who thinks the Earth was created in 6 days 9000 years ago and that embryology, Evolution and the Big Bang Theory are "lies from straight out of Hell"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name some, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tome Vilsack'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tom Vilsack, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how is he evil?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until you realise that both sides get people onto "panels" because of lobbyists, you'll be stuck in the "your crazy people are crazier than our crazier people"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And mad-scientist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the board of Montsanto, i believe'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not on the board of Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans use the christian fundamentalist connections to insert religious mental-retard wingdingbats into various positions'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can you name some decisions he's made as secretary of agriculture that is obviously pro mad-scientist evil corporation?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is a Montsanto lobbyist'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, he WAS a Montsanto lobbyist. Name some legislation he's championed that clearly unfairly helps Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, was?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he suddenly renounce his views?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being a lobbyist is an actual job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a set of beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's this thing called "a record"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. And if he USED to lobby for Monsanto, he USED to be a Monsanto lobbyist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of the English language is confusing you here?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ah well, don't blame those people for gassing all those jews, it was jsut their JOB'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not what I was saying and you know it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's exactly what you were saying'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I said that he USED to be a Monsanto lobbyist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a direct conflict of interest if you're a lobbyist going into politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You challenged that claim, implying he still WAS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You think if someone jumps from private to public sector, they renounce their special interests?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'btw, Monsanto is not something "out of Hell", Monsanto is where Hell goes to learn :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuna does, Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about? Lobbyists become politicians all the fucking time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he's a bit simple'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, yuna, and you might have noticed that politics is a "bit corrupt about the edges"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or did the banking crisis happen in a parallel universe to you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm waiting for evidence that BP Deepwater Horizon was not a money-backed corporate venture'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question. What part of his tenure as sec. of agri. is clearly so "mad-scientist, evil corporation"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"He used to be a lobbyist for Monsanto" isn't actually a proper answer.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm waiting for evidence that you're not criminally insane, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You clearly don't know how proper debate works. You can demand someone prove something ISN'T true.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you work for XYZ bank and lose your job, you get a job at the SEC, vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Monsanto/FDA are all the same people'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm waiting, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the very simple question.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waiting for what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world doesn't revolve around your warped sense of reality, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your tactic is to get people to qualify data that you reject out of fear of its shattering your bubble'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claim Tom Vilsack is "mad-scientist, pro evil corporation". So what has he done as secretary of agriculture that's clearly that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure losing your job at XYZ bank engenders feelings of love for them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sending the feds after people distributing raw milk was one of his, i believe, as was prosecuting someone for hay dust'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's somehow mad-scientist, pro evil corporation?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for allowing Montsanto to bring their products to market without independant testing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How about not removing GMO products?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, pretty sure he has no power to prosecute people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, know what Agent Orange is?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for even -contempalting- allowing Montsanto to have immunity from future prosecution'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Monsanto doesn't have the best track record'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sources, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What are your sources, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if he was a Monsanto lobbyist, and yet supports Monsanto, then he is yet a Monsanto lobbyist even though no longer an officiall registered Monsanto lobbyist'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://unifiedserenity.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/only-the-guilty-seek-immunity-from-prosecution-the-monstant-rider/'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you give me actual sources.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as an aside, US supreme court cases (well, summaries, anyway) make for pretty interesting reading. It's pretty amazing what can be legal or illegal in the US...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a private blog run by who knows who whose only source is a website that runs "Real news powered by the People, Naturally."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you dont' accept any sources that disagree with your bubble, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which sounds like a private blog that sources news aggregator site.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/2012/06/19/farm-groups-and-public-interest-advocates-join-forces-to-oust-dangerous-%E2%80%98biotech-provision%E2%80%99-from-agriculture-spending-bill/'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, how the FUCK was that Tom Vilsack's fault?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'notice the difference between "official-registered lobbyist" and "covert unofficial-no-longer-registered yet-a-supporter lobbyist" -- both are "lobbyists"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article you linked to speaks of a bill in the HOUSE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which, as you very well know, is controlled by the fucking Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Tom Vilsack has ABSOLUTELY no power there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're blaming Tom Vilsack for a bill authored and championed by Republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you expect me not to read your "source"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You speak so much of superficial U.S. politics, yet know nothing about how it runs'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i expect you to froth at the mouth like you usually do'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'everyone knows how U.S. politics runs... it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's your excuse for providing me with a source that doesn't in any way prove your claim?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Saric, Yuna is from Sweden; he only has the outsider perspective fed to him by the media'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I know this'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and then uses that world view to challenge those living within the system'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tom Vilsack's association with Montsanto has not been challenged'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the fuck do you mean "and?"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You made a ludicrous claim. I asked you to source it. You sourced it with bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Time for you to source, big mouth'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What has Tom Vilsack done in office that is "mad-scientist, pro evil corporation"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto -is- an evil corporation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That was the demand. You proved that the House Republicans are pro evil corporation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like demanding proof that Hitler was evil'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna is foaming at the mouth with cuss-words -- and is obviously losing the debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Find me evidence that Deepwater was not financially motivated Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'U.S. citizens media isn't any better than that in other nations... especially since we have fox "news"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, what you're doing is kinda claiming the Pope is a nazi because he was in the Hitler Jugend as a youth despite him never having done anything nazi-like.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me evidence that USA and UK didn't depose the rightly elected Iranian leader Mohammed Mossadeq in the 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me evidence that the Syrian Regime were responsible for mortar attacks on Turkey'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tom Vilsack has not done anything that unfairly helps Monsanto (unless you can show proof that he has) while in office. The Republicans I speak of have done and said blatantly insane things while in office.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in your opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all you have'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a swimming pool full of foam'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Demanding evidence that someone DID something" is not the same of "Demanding evidence that someone DIDN'T do somethign" was too Canadian French for you when I said it to DosseT, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reading through supreme court cases... Minneci v. Pollard - inmates can sue govt employees in public prisons, but not employees of a private prison company.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no wonder they want to privatise prisons...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot demand someone prove that somethign DIDN'T happen. But if someone makes a claim that something DID happen, they have to prove it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already privatised here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'UK law is different'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk law is a bit shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are a strong S-type Sensor; you only see what is.  The lack of something is evidence as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If Johnny has chocolate on his face, hands, and is holding a cookie, and a cookie is missing from the jar, he likely ate one from the jar'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If Johnny does not have chocolate on his face, hands, and is not holding a cookie, and no cookies are missing, he likely didn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Deal with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say foaming control freak, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet he likes rules and checklists'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact you are friends with every conspiracy theorist on the MUD is quite telling, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friends?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lack of evidence is evidence; deal with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You agree with them on pretty much everything in debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not friends with Dosset, he clearly just isn't a twat'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, because "Lack of evidence is evidence" clearly isn't insane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or being a twat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you were sitting here eating cherries all day, and I don't see pits and stems, then you weren't sitting here eating cherries all day'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'lack of evidence is specifically not evidence.... by definition. Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you ever just argue about anything of any kind of relevence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Simple concept'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the classic "Hitler didn't hate the Jews because he once made a speech that doesn't mention them" is totally not being insane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Chemosh said that)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A notable lack of evidence, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why can't you ever just provide evidence, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because opinions don't require evidence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As in, if there were a natural explosion, you'd expect to find and observe natural explosive dynamics'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither do things that are self evident'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lack of natural dynamics (lack of evidence in line with the alleged story) is evidence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why can't you ever just use proper debate techniques? When someone asks for proof/sources for your outrageous claims, the proper response is not to either not provide any or provide bogus evidence and then make ad hominems on the challenger when they call you on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no... nothing is evidence except evidence. That's... what makes it evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not proper debate technique, that's what you believe is proper debate technique'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wish Yuna would shut the fuck up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the only thing a debate involved was facts, then there would be no debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Starling person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Saric, if you said you peeled the potatoes and put the skins in the trash, and I look in the trashcan and see no skins'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I figure the evidence (no skins) is that you are lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'evidence isn't something always tangible'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I like the colour purple!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Tigernuts uses the Republican debate technique: tell blatant lies'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PROVE IT! YOU LIAR! !!!!111!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the evidence in that case is an empty trash can. You said it yourself'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just fucking vote already'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not the fucking same thing as "There's no evidence the BP oil disaster WASN'T induced manually by the CIA, so it MUST'VE been a CIA operation", DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There was no logical leap like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'O RLY? "The BP oil spill was a CIA operation" "What? How?" "Prove that it was a 'natural' explosion!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'precisely'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT doesn't understand silly things like that, Saric.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna fails to accept the common knowledge that BP was induced to make money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they clearly cut corners'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's common knowledge; you are the conspirator suggesting that the media's story is correct'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, anything DosseT believes is common knowledge.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the null hypothesis is always "nothing special is going on here". If you're trying to argue against that, you require a reason (or evidence) to prove your point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what part of the explosion doesn't seem normal?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The fact BP lied down the number 2 orders of magnitude, and the whistleblower involved was found dead?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That the slurry was faulty, and BP had no comment to make about it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That puts were sold right before the "accident"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Learn basic finance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The whitleblower died. Clearly, that's evidence he was assassinated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to remove legal protection for whistleblowers in both UK and USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He died, ergo he was assassinated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like it up them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, like all whistleblowers die, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Aaron Russo just died, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wouldn't want to be a whistleblower, they have a really fucking high mortality rate'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Milton William Cooper just died, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Kelly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Andrew Breitbart'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one should note that the larger the explosion is, up to a point, the less likely it was artificial...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't take my word for it, listen to their own testimony...from 30 years ago  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSEnurBApdM'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lee Hazledean'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dude, you live in a bubble of denial'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Terry Yeakey'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the accident happened before the accident was reported (and the puts happened after the accident yet before the accident was reported)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm starting to think that my original theory is correct: Chemosh was institutionalized, but somehow has Internet access. DosseT is Chemosh' alter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as another aside, Minneci v. Pollard - if a govt official lies under oath to get you convicted of a false charge, he still has immunity from a civil suit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong response to testimony on CIA weaponry'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if his friends don't want to press criminal perjury charges, too bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there have never been any politically or intelligence-community motivated assassinations, anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure there have been'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Alexander Litvinenko killed himself, clearly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tigernuts. I know that you're feeling the pressure to be out-crazy the other crazies now that Chemosh isn't there to reign you in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not what I said. What I said was that the fact that some guy died is not evidence that he was assassinated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it gets out pretty quickly. Pretty much impossible to hide involvement'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, that's entirely fair'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, response to testimony on CIA heart attack weapon from 1975'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait, you have none'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Boris Johnson for American President'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, DosseT, the fact that the CIA may have assassinated some people in the past does not mean that they assassinated this particular person.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not even circumstantial evidence now. Now it's just you pointing and saying "I'm right, so there!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it convenient then'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The person they assassinated was one exposing that BP lied about the volume of oil spilling'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'by 2 orders of magnitude'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that means two 0s for the uninclined'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, BP lying about the volume of oil spilling is OBVIOUSLY evidence that the explosion was deliberate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't get it, do you'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None of this proves that the explosion was deliberate. You have assumptions, circumstantial evidence and coincidences that imply OTHER things. But not that the explosion was deliberate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i can say is that the dispersents used were far more dangerous to the environment than the oil was'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I don't speak Crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They lied the number down to a level commensurate with the explosion, to fit the story'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The actual level was 100x higher'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why leak the oil?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Simple scenario: weak mainframe leaks much oil; create weak tanker that will explode in a spectacle to act as scapegoat for leakage'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't understand simple deception'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I don't understand Crazy Talk.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want to understand motivation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The slurry wall and alarm system on the tanker were weak and disabled respectively; it was a made-to-fail spectacle to feed the sheep'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is proven'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look, they had cameras on the leak... There's nothing to suggest it was anything other than incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't focus on the leak itself'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The question is not what?, rather why?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sensing vs. iNtuition'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '"to feed the sheep"? wtf'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes Saric'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to feed the sheep, like the Olympics, like Jimmy Saville inquest'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the volume leaked is entirely consistent with what was observed, so even though BP tried to downplay the volume, it would've emerged eventually anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to distract the public from something more important'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It did emerge Sonshi, and they were caught lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'twice'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No response to why the tanker did not have an audible alarm system, and had weak slurry walls'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The tanker was built to be destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is proven'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but why?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for the part where the CIA is clearly in on this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, tastes like a duck, and has all the regular insides of a duck... please don't tell me it's a cow.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Wtf is Dosset talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'you're claiming that BP decided to destroy a PROFITABLE oil rig and utterly destroy its stock value and reputation to.... "feed the sheep"? That is beyond incomprehensible'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is he saying that? or is he saying someone sabotaged BP'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'well he just said it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's 1 step back, 3 steps forward'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cyrni, DosseT claims that British Petroleum (BP) deliberately destroyed their oil tank thingie to destroy their stock value (and the environment) in order to be able to make less money than they lost on cleaning the spill up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he seems to think that wrecking their reputation will somehow make them lots of money!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He further claims that the CIA helped BP not only orchestrate the spill but to also assassinate a whistleblower.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Billions were made on the sale of stock options'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, not BP itself'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a cartel; they're all the same company'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here's something even you may understand: remember when Wakka learned that Yevon uses guns and technology?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for the part where the CIA is somehow involved.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, hedging?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea, amazing, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still waiting for that CIA involvement.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'BP isn't an individual entity; the whole cartel is owned by a small group; it's easy to scapegoat one company in the public's eye'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'who might this small group be? or is it a secret'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, still waiting for the part where the CIA is involved.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'Ok, so BP intentionally destroyed Deepwater Horizon to benefit a cartel, because Final Fantazy X, Got it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually investment funds controlled by global banks'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No Cyrni; they destroyed it and took a small loss to make a bigger margin in the financial markets'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'CIA involvement, still waiting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The pro is that in the public's eye, they blame an irresponsible company, and the guvment washes its hands'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, it's the same group that sabotaged his school results, put chemicals in his water to make him stupid, and made him unpopular in school. The whole pattern fits!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Some guy died, he was probably assassinated. Probably by the CIA" isn't an actual argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the CIA are the brownshirts'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'lol how many times has Yuna asked about CIA with no response'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm lagging'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, sure, you're lagging.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: '$100 billion in market cap is a small loss?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You were able to reply to others just fine. Just not to my demands that you source your ludicrous claims.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a small group earning a lot money (criminally) from (insider) stock options may be willing to sacrifice a company from which their personal longterm profits are less than from the (insider) stock options'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, like Facebook, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your basic mode of thinking prevents you from understanding'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'will you wonder where a chicken egg came from, if you didn't see a chicken lay it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for you brilliant evidnece for how the CIA is involved.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the same small group gives special antidotes to their chosen ones, which is why the rich people can dominate their peons! And they're actually ETs! From Sirius XI!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Any government dirty work is done by the CIA; it's their job'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The chicken came first. There's scientific evidence for this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'dirty work happens? CIA did it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense, Sonshi, they're space lizards from mars'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not an actual argument, as I JUST told you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You missed the point, Yuna.  If you don't see something with your own eyes, despite obvious knowledge, you doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If I showed you a chicken egg, you would wonder if a chicken had laid it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The CIA was involved because someone was assassinated. We know someone was assassinated because the CIA is involved." <- Circular BULLSHIT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'because you hadn't seen it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some in the USA may've (CIA) contenanced a "small" oil-spill in the gulf of mexico in order to wrest control of the oil from BP -- but the oil-spill was not "small"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'space lizards from Mars, who are actually controlled by a small group of ETs from Sirius XI! They're behind it all!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not actually his argument, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think the CIA are wonderful, we should praise them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Any financially-motivated dirty work is done by the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His batshit insane argument is that: 1) The BP oil spill was deliberate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prove it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2) It was orchestrated by the oil cartels of which BP is a member.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '3) For some insane reason, the CIA helped.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They didn't "help"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama should have kept his affro, he looks so much better with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are simply the grunts that do the work'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I love how all of this is the work of a "small group"... I'm assuming nobody knows who the "small group" actually is, so how do we know it's small?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's the Illuminat, the NWO, the banksters...whatever you want to call it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lack of evidence is not evidence. And the inability to disprove something does not mean it's proven.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'You can't prove a negative DosseT, it's impossible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot prove that you're not Chemosh's alter. It doesn't mean you are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't reject my null hypothesis, so it stands'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I rejected your null hypothesis that it was a regular industry occurrence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the CRAZY point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can tell you that John Corzine is a thief, Leon Panetta is a warmongering dickwad, Romney has a Ryan stuck up his arse, and that Joe Biden is hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I direct you for answers to the Ron Paul I supported before'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reject my null hypothesis then; I'm willing to accept new information'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'may I direct your attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe Biden is like a crazy old grandad that doesn't realise that you shouldn't swear in front of children, and still thinks it's acceptable to drop the N bomb'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I would've been less nice to Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan lied every time he opened his mouth. That or he refused to actually answer the question he was given.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like Paul Ryan, Romney should have picked Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He should be GLAD Joe Biden didn't rip into him even MORE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what Ron ImmagonnaplundertheUStoinflatemyportfolio Paul?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't know if it went through, but that article is in line with what I'd said: you don't prove, simply fail to reject'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul likes pussy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guy who had a portfolio that would increase dramatically if he were to ruin the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's called knowing where it's headed, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the economy is ruined, it can only go one way'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think so many uber rich are investing in gold?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while running for political office?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan's tax plan would allow Mitt Romney to pay an effective tax rate of 1%. Yeah, these clowns surely want the best for 100% of the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with no statement that he'd divest should he win?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why do you think so many of the uber rich are moving to China?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be construed as a conflict of interests, could also be construed as being sensible'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Ron Paul has some seriously frightening ideas (Gold standard, seriously?), but at least he's earnest and doesn't say whatever the people in front of him want to hear like Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Saric.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'how is the idea that we can create credit endlessly with no oversight worse than the gold standard?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a guy who apparently thinks people are dumb enough not to notice such a huge conflict of interest?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i question the gold standard idea, too, but i like most of the rest of his policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney is a turncoat who'll say whatever he thinks his current audience wants to hear. Paul Ryan just lies all day long.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also extremely true, Xei'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A real winning ticket, that Romney-Ryan ticket.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(most are, but that's not the point)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the Islamic countries were contemplating a return to the gold standard'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ron Paul wants almost anybody able to issue currencies ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'look who issues it now'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anybody can issue a currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, just yesterday, Mitt Romney claimed that if elected president, he would NOT change any legislation regarding abortion, despite having said the direct opposite before.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yeah Ron Paul's economic mindset is pretty out there'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'a private cartel'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'before the fed, banks did it, now there's just a monopoly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I suspect any good social policies he holds are probably only held to appeal to people so that he can propagate ideas which are financially beneficial to him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, we'd ALMOST started something important of value and Yuna drags out abortion again'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Less than 24 hours (22 hours) after that statement was released, his own campaign manager issued a statement that said that Mitt Romney was wrong and that he would in fact repeal abortion laws.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts raises his hand in a fluid motion and pretends he's shooting a gun.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is not about abortion. This is about credibility. And lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ok Obama supporter'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd moved on from Ryan'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Mitt Romney has claimed just about every stance on every issue. I'm suprised the flip-flop term hasn't been thrown around more like in 2004'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we were on Ron Paul and economics'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I think the point is that Romney's a blatant liar, unlike your average politician, who's a bit subtler.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I care about Ron Paul? Man's crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's consistent and up-front about his bucket of crazy, but he's crazy nonetheless.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing crazy about him at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and even lies aside, the gop economic platform is terrible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'why should i care about either of the two candidates? they both will continue the killing, the drug war, and every U.S. atrocitiy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'repeal laws in which direction: repeal for abortion or repeal against abortion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Xei!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, Xei'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote for Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one side will crash the economy...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're the same platform: not yours'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'no president can stop what's coming, economy wise'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ships sailed bros'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One is trying to solve the crisis, the other will deliberately plunge the country into a 2nd depression.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'this talk of tinkering with taxes and spending...it'll never happen. the debt won't be paid, can't be paid'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my arse is he trying to solve it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Take your pick, the one TRYING to help the country or the one trying to help only himself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under obama, the worst case is that the US winds up with a japan-like economy...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The CFR runs the USA corporation, Yuna.  The liberal/conservative argument is white noise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dosset's right on that point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under Romney, a likely case is a repeat of the steps taken to the great depression...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely romney will see ww3'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why can't he do both?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas obama will see the end of the united states'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't underestimate Romney!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a hige economic divide between the parties... you'd have to be pretty blind to see otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(huge)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll go the way of Hugo Chavez'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who trolls right-wing conspiracy blogs and claims Obama is a secret Muslim based on a ring with squiggly shapes should shut up, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't even live here Yuna; you just have what the media shows you'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'd have more credibility if you observed that to which lip service is made'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i see romney as very belligerent on the foreign policy front, which is bad. that ain't good'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I don't live in Crazy Land with you, DosseT. I am infinitely glad for that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, yuna, i won't bow down to your deity'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't -want- an obamaphone'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'banana phone'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Xei, he declared an ally (I can't remember which one) a geopolitical enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the gop economic platform makes chilling reading for anyone familiar with economics or economic history...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Imagine what he'd do to the U.S. actual enemies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the democratic one is just... meh'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats platform fails on the constitution and liberty front'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that, more than anythign else is why i hate it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'well, that's the point. there is no salvation in the major parties.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that hate comes from me seeing the parallels with here in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'gary johnson or jill stein is a protest vote, not much else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no it doesn't... at least until promises are broken. Compare with the gop...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Johnson can get 5% he gets funds for next time, get 10% he gets lots of funds, 15% he gets into the debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you guys did kick out the labour party in favour of an austerian one...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Johnson were in the debates, it would be a gamechanger, not necessarily for him winning, but for him significantly undermining th eother votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Voting third party is meaningless. All you'll do is invalidate your vote. In an election where the two major parties are so staunchly different on pretty much every single issue, not voting or voting third party is a meaningless protest.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vote for the smallest evil if you dislike both parties.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labour party and tories here are the same, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i refuse to vote for evil'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But with so much at stake, do not vote third party... unless you live in a state that's heavily for either side, so your vote really won't count.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'labour favoured less austerity'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i won't vote for either'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labour favoured inflation and devaluation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, don't vote third party if you live in a swing state. Contemplate voting even if you're apathetic to both major parties if you DO live in a swing state.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see? Much better than the alternative!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you say there's no difference...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as states here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I don't know... at the same time, unless you live in one of about 6 battleground states, voting rep or dem is pretty worthless as well. If you really want your vote to count... move to a battleground state'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong armchair U.S. politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, inflation/devaluation is pretty much the correct choice, while the current policy is almost the exact opposite. I can't see how you'd conclude that there isn't much difference between them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi, the people get screwed either way'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you inflate away the debts, people get poorer, if you increase taxes, people get poorer, if you cut services, people get poorer'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree with any one method, but they don't DO it, they half-arse it. the austerity we've had is salami slicing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'salami slicing just hurts EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you increase taxes for the wealthy so they pax the same percentage of taxes as the poor, people don't get poorer, the wealthy get less filthy rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you must be kidding. I'll take mild inflation and low unemployment (and hence crime) over economic depression any day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'people want to believe there's some silver biullet. if we can just get the right people in office and pass the right legislation, we get out of this and no one gets hurt'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to do austerity, do it in one hit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The wealthy have off-shores and lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mild inflation won't solve this'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're too J-type; you think everything works how you're told it does'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're going to do austerity in one hit, the country will go down... in one hit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'problem is, damage has been done, we just have to decide who pays for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither can you have mild inflation with low unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's stimulus that has to be done in one hit'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't, Sonshi, Canada didn't, Iceland didn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What happened to me being S-type or whatever? NOw I'm a J-type as well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are, learn MBTI'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and austerity that has to be applied slowly, when the patient is healthy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the patient was never healthy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i don't believe in austerity either, i believe in default, because that's how you stick it to the bankers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, Xei. The Democrats want the rich to pay, the Republicans want the Middle Class to pay. Who do you support in this issue?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the patient is unhealthy you either do it in one go and hope, or don't do it at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a bit like blood transfusions... when the patient is on the ropes, you need to get blood back in the system quickly. When the patient is healthy, you can get him to donate a bit of blood now and then.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what i just said. i believe in default; i reject any system that obligates future generations to debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Xei person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'any society that forces unborn generations to pay for current services is morally corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is raising the taxes on the rich obligating future generations to debt?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like the UK, Xei'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iceland did inflation/devaluation... not austerity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'raising taxes on the rich doesn't cover the deficit spread.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iceland decided not to take the bankers' debts'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they also raised taxes on the rich, and redistributed wealth, which prevented total collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't get rid of the deficit just like that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'doesn't come close, and of course you have the laffer curve.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to get rid of a deficit is not to have one in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is YOUR brilliant solution?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sedition'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It feels more and more like you just want to complain, Xei.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have one, it's too big'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what you're asking is like talking to the guy that downed 2 handles of vodka the tight before, and today, has a massive hangover'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and looking for some magical cure'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claimed that there's no way to stop the upcoming crash and that you can only decide who has to pay for it. I presented the case that Democrats want the rich to pay while Republicans want the Middle Class to pay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote democrat, xei'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you should have just not gotten so damn drunk'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NOBODY CAN PAY'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the point, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your response is some nonsense about indebting future generations and how there's no way to get rid of the entire deficit in one go.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eit's tooooo big'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look past the words; they're lies.  The people bear the burden, which was created to enslave them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you're oversimplifying it, acting as if we either raise taxes on the rich or raise taxes on the middle class, and one of those has to be chosen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody said you can get rid of it all, Tigernuts. Stop trying to refute points nobody ever made.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't know how it works in Sweden, but a 21-year old college grad can easily be $100k in debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'University tuition is free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fed is planning to nationalise property ownership in USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol. i've got a friend with 150k in debt, law degree, no job prospects'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at how austerity is working out in europe now, their younger generations are burdened with such high unemployment that they risk losing a substantial part of that generation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's buying up all the mortgage papers'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In the U.S., debt is created to force you to work out of it forever'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'hence "wage slave"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have kids $100k in debt that can't get a job at Starbucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We get approximately 300 dollars in stipends from the government every month for studying at uni.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's better to earn 50k and owe 80k than it is to earn 5k and owe nothing...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Furthermore, we can borrow up to 700 additional dollars a month at very low interest rates from the government.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that depend on your cost of living?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'just ask Vijay Mallya'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I assumed real income'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only expenses uni students have are books, lodging and food.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjusted for ppp and all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Socialism, it's evil and stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once upon a time here university was free, you got free money to help towards your living expenses'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, countries like the US, UK, Japan, etc. are in far better shape than somalia'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That sounds like Sweden cares about investment in human capital; in the U.S., students are oxen pulling a yoke to create money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why it may be hard to see why the politics are all lies'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then labour got in and tried to get 50% of people into Uni, which not only broke the system, but also instantly devalued degrees'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'd have to come here and see it yourself'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a poor country like the UK, they should've stuck with 40%!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As students become more indebted, they become more government dependent, and vote pro-government.  See how it works?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We also have excellent universal healthcare. Dental care is free 'til you turn 21.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Create dependence on the government by eliminating financial independence'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was at around 15-20% because it was based on ability'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what University SHOULD be'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '15-20%? Seriously?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You actually support a system where the vast majority of uni applicants don't get into uni?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it... hard to call yourself an industrialised nation if only 15-20% are going to uni'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'industry didn't used to require a degree'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Sonshi, it's actually worse than that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think for us, it's currently running at 1/3 uni, 2/3 technical and others, for our younger generations'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's worse than 3rd world countries!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we'll soon surpass the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Were you the Singaporean, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, somalia probably doesn't have 5%, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not ALL 3rd world countries.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just several that have better uni ratios.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The dumb thing about the 'low levels of uni and the rest go vocational' is that the old vocational jobs are being replaced by robots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I have to say, we enjoy beating the UK in terms of per capita real GDP.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, some of us'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a mildly diuretic bullock has a higher gdp than UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now we're in a position to preach endlessly about how the primitives over there don't know how to run their country!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, the U.K. is being run by conservatives...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What are those Chinese cities in Africa for?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things have been going downhill here since the end of WW2'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure WWI and WWI weren't exactly highlights for the mother country...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could argue it's been going downhill since .... 1066?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally, society sucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People who talk about 'the good ol' days' are either delusional old people, or young people who have no idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but here's a good definition of democracy for you: Two wolves and a sheep voting for what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at several measures of our economy, our per capita real gdp isn't higher than the UK or the US because of greater productivity or whatever... it's largely because our workforce has been consistently putting in a high number of hours per worker, while "western" countries often dip every recession and take a long time to recover.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'back then sucked, now sucks, and the future will more than likely suck too.  Deal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's your fault, Vakieh!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should the abortion time limit be reduced from 24 to 22, or to 12 weeks?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's not too hard to do too. Just engage in sufficient fiscal stimulus each time, enough to make sure that unemployment doesn't rise too far. Unless your interest rates rise, debt doesn't really matter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will have no meaningful employment until you have meaningful industry'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, Sonshi, Singapore is an AWFUL example of fiscal policy, as they are a single urban centre - the 'real world' doesn't work like that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's for the private sector to decide'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will have no meaningful industry in the UK while we're being browbeaten by the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china has been doing it too, though they're still third world'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and taiwan, and south korea...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some say China is about to have a major economy bubble burst'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they have rural areas too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sonshi - how well off are the Chinese rural populations?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but taiwan and skorea are fine'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'SKorea and Taiwan are where they are due to US investment...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't change the point about stimulus...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, look at what Bernanke's doing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stimulus in both UK and USA wasn't really a stimulus'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was just money printed and handed to banks who sat on 95% of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never really got to the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's say left, go right'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stimulus, sure - but your point changed to 'our workers work longer hours', which is crap'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...which is everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'monetary stimulus != fiscal stimulus'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'QEs aside'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the effect of successful stimulus. Average hours per working age person doesn't drop, or quickly recovers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think all bets are off, they've pulled all the levers'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the low interest rate isn't really helping, either'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'total hours worked/total people of working age is pretty much a good indication of how well fiscal policy is working.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The numbers are off'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Unemployment here is huge'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'low interest rates are meant to promote investment...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's the point of inflation. once you get to lower bound/zirp, you can't increase demand except by telling people that their money is losing value'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, real terms inflation here is somewhere between 8 and 15%'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by the pre-1980 measure'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if that were truly so, you'd see prices doubt every 5-10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it's not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that's about right'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err... double'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i think the inflation issue gets sc'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'obscured'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it hasn't been 8-15% for 10 years, but it's at that right now'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you don't really know where the credit/money is going, so you don't know where prices will jump'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. I haven't seen that much change in prices. Granted, I can only see stuff online...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and if the money sits in reserves, you won't see much change'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we've had poor crops here too, so food will go up more to'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'but if interest rates ever go up, that's when you start seeing inflation ramp up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there you go, now they're trapped'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they try to use interest rates as their traditional tool for tackling inflation, it'll just fuel inflation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'right. now, they can't come out and say that they don't have an exit strategy, but of course tehy don't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with pushing everyone with a mortgage into default'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'political issues aside, in practical terms, if you were to take some of the stored wealth that isn't getting invested, and put it towards govt investment (infrastructure, etc.), it would do a lot of good.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or even hiring back some schoolteachers'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning ons pending 35bn on a stupid high speed rail link'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol, you're more trusting than i am. the money is just as likely to buy bombs or worse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do far better investing it in council housing, which would then help tackle some of the high welfare bill'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'when the government is controlled by corporations, you really can't expect that they're going to be good stewards of your money'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't seem to get how interest rates work... when interest rates rise, there's an additional incentive to buy bonds. That'll reduce inflationary pressures.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all theory'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'yes, but as interest rates go up, the reserves from the previous pumping get sent into circulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people will save rather than spend, and it'll impact the housing market'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's when you see honest to god price inflation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these aren't levers that only affect one thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what's disturbing to me is that krugman and other people that believe in the same religion openly say saving is the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and that we have to discourage savings'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ignoring the reality that savings are the prerequisite to production'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's seriously wack'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'uhh... you do know that they raise interest rates by withdrawing monetary stimulus, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, doing the exact opposite of what they did to lower interest rates in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You talking about theory, or reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't extrapolate Singapore's model over the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'sure, that's true, but if the stimulus was there to prop up demand, how is taking out the props going to help?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'like...ever?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's only going to be done when the economy recovers, of course'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and that's the joke'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and inflation isn't going to go up unless the economy recovers'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the recovery isn't coming, so the intersting rate isn't going to go up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Inflation goes up from QE'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effective inflation is already here due to currency devaluation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's no recovery, we aren't going to worry about inflation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i just wonder how long we'll do this japan style low growth, kicking the can along strategy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a simple application of a large stimulus would solve the problem...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it solve the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all it would take is a stimulus of 5% of gdp for a few years...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because it raises aggregate demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there will debate it's easy to say that when no matter how big the stimlus is, you can say "oh, nvm, things were worse than we thought, it needed to be much better"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and devalues every items that's there already'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, businesses invest only when people are buying their stuff...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this -appears- to be the complete antithesis of sound policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'everyone gets that. it's the same keynesian argument that's been made, and i thought that the 1970s would have proven it wrong for good, but apparently not'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when demand is lower than capacity, obviously on aggregate there isn't going to be much expansion in the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ultimately the thing preventing full or optimal growth is these banking-fueled booms. housing bubble is only one example.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stimulus has worked for all the countries in my region ex-japan every time it has been tried...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't worked here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'student loans are a great example - a bunch of credit getting dumped into bad areas, and it's contributing to structural unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'we have to end that credit cycle somehow'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got other ingrained problems, such as the entitlement culture'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that stimulus is expansionary and austerity is contractionary is an unbreakable economic law in any nation with even a vaguely capitalist system'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It'll only end when the fiat money's used as wallpaper and people riot'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're in danger (like the US) of being a bought-democracy, like Venezuela'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, textbook theory is great and all, but it's not how the U.S. works'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's how the world works'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The culture is predatory lending and short selling'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you'll need better regulation for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big Daddy Gummint puts a dollar on a string, you pocket it for a bit, then he tugs it, along with all your other fiat cash, out'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's nothing wrong with short selling per se'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to claw money together for a deposit for a property right now, trouble is the cash is devaluing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not helpful'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, it's pretty useful to the economy, as long as it isn't used as part of illegitimate practices, like market manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh, like Barclays?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, when you borrow to hire people, that adds to the economy, and stimulates demand.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, even if you hired people to dig holes in the ground, you've increased the amount of demand for people who dig holes in the ground'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'so hire everyone to dig holes and fill them up. problem solved.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a communist cornucopia'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the key is to push the demand in good areas, or at least not distort the structure of demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, hiring people to dig holes and fill them up would certainly restore health to the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it would be better to hire teachers instead. Or build stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the required amount of stimulus doesn't even need to be large, if the govt has enough guts'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you would be good enough to tell governments to stop printing money and then just giving it to bankers then'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they can credibly promise to support aggregate demand under any circumstance, the private sector will do most of the work'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, see, when the politicians aren't doing their job, the central bankers have to do something'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the central bankers are in it for themselves, more likely'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guys in charge of monetary policy can't go to congress/parliament and tell them "hey, give us more fiscal stimulus"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ben bernanke, i think, knows that there isn't a way out'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a depressed economy, when the govt isn't doing anything, they can only engage in trying to pump more cash into the economy...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the fed is a one trick pony.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a road unwilling to be traveled does not mean there is no road.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't allowed to do anything else...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what else should they do, even if allowed? literally drop money from helicopters?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our monetary authority (central bank) doesn't do that, because they know our govt will predictably (almost mechanically) take the required steps, so there's often no need to engage in monetary expansion'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why our dollar has strengthened several-fold against the USD and GBP over the last few decades'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do nothing and let the market regulate itself.  Even if that means a whole lot of people get hurt in the process.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'over 4-fold vs the GBP!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i just want government off my back, we're in serious police state territory'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll do my own thing, and if they want to go bankrupt, then all power to them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only an eeefil terrorist would say that sort of thing!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they aren't allowed to storm congress and force them to take the money and hire teachers, for example'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depressing, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'as if more government teachers would really address the core problems of our society.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do realise that if govt gets completely off your backs, you'll be under new management shortly...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'if the people are willing to be ruled, they will be rul.ed'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'if not, then not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not, then they're invade, arrested, or otherwise persecuted'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'maybe in the UK. in the u.s. we have guns.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why Obama is coming after them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why you have a more draconian surveillance state'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds like conspiracy, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'not that guns would stop a nuclear armageddon or something of that nature, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are many peoples in humanity's long and storied history that refused to be ruled, that would only accept liberty or death.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're all dead now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And you have a lot to thank for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the lesson there isn't "give up and prepare to get raped by the state"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the lesson is, there's a certain balance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i believe if enough people can be woken up, you'll get one or two states taking things back with Nullification'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if Obama is in, I fear he might try and remove states powers'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's probably what the 1.6bn bullets are for'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've given up, say, our liberty to invade our neighbour's home and beat them up because we believe that they stole our tv one night...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like we put the tv in their house, said "you stole my TV", then beat them up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you never have "liberty" to hurt or stea from someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'my liberty ends where yours begins'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, xei, why do left-leaning people always misrepresent the constitution?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'couldn't be the nearly 10 years of shooting down Aladdin and his 40 knights of Al-Qaeda.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but everyone thinks their liberty extends further than the next guy thinks it should...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Al-Qaeda is a planted TV'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'to follow the analogy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because they want the constitution abolished and replaced with a Marxist document.  Such a move would benefit the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution, and the magna carta it was based upon, is pretty clear'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'not sure. i like lysander spooner's take on the constitution: "but whether the constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it."'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'in other words, the constitution hasn't done much to prevent sociopaths from taking over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people got sloppy'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it gets eroded'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and it won't stop them now. only people can.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it gets eroded a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more, and then before you know it, it's destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how people like Hitler get into power'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without making an effort to understand the issue, how can the average voter be surprised?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not that they don't make an effort'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's buried'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should see how hitler got in power...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'By denialists like you'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wasn't by any erosive process at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Oh, that's conspiracy!" there's no way that could happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Finally: Poland's invading!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poland was quite late on'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it happened fairly quickly'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'haha, right. it's only a conspiracy until it becomes history.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it was fairly obvious at the time too'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, have you read his speeches? Can't compare that to stuff today'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'basic Obama posturing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, some of ROmney's crazy warmongering comes close'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even romney isn't close...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God Bless America?  No!  God Fuck America!  The chickens have come home to roost!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but who knows what he's saying in private, I suppose...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would be quite happy if Russia were to grow a pair of testicles and stand up to the USA right nwo'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts wants another cold war'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why?  They already like where they're at.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the lies and crap surrounding Syria and Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why would they bother, given how the US stands a good chance of electing romney?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why expend political capital when you can just give enough rope?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess sio'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so*'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't help them in the long term though'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if romney gets elected, unless he flip-flops to a moderate position, he's going to go for austerity...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'good thing the president decides the budget'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He has a pre-written script; the talk now is for the election show'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in the current precarious situation, Spain's current situation would be a good example of what might happen...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why is this difficult to understand'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What they say they do now is simply to garner votes to ostensibly be put in office; once in office, they follow a script'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have saudi arabia, qatar, with Nato help sending in arms and terrorists into Syria via Turkey'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, congress is likely to be republican, so he'll just have to not veto their austerity bills...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have US troops on the Jordan border'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'but dosset is right. once they're elected, they do what they're told.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The bi-partisan politics is a puppet show to keep the true power, the citizens, suppressed and busy fighting itself'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'look at obama - was relatively anti-war, anti marijuana crackdown, gets elected, does the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want us to fight ourselves!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'what changed?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whereas obama will likely veto anything that looks too crazy, that cuts too many things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the Hope and Change effect, Doss.  Everyone know (insert politician's name) is a lying sack of shit out to get them, but they have to believe the guy they chose has their best interests in mind.  They cannot think otherwise, as that would force them to confront exactly how dumb and out of touch they are with the world at large.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'how did a guy that was pro-civil liberties become an emey to civil liberties.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama's a bit cowardly though... caves too much to the republicans. But isn't actually as bad as them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he is, and how'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What I don't get Hanslanda, is how some people can subvert their own values and just "vote for the lesser of the two, cuz it's better, right?"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never vote for the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That attitude is dangerous, and engenders complacence and acquiescent servitude'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't have the willpower to reject the system, for fear of ostracization'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because if you don't vote for the lesser evil, that tells them that they can keep giving you greater evils'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not voting for one of the evils makes you an extremist, according to police briefing notes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure battered women know why.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cut off one digit, or one finger? Don't care? Okay, how about your hand? Still fine? Okay, your arm then...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't tell you which of the two would be the lesser of two evils anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can... at least economically...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the economic argument is the weakest'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I would also note that countries that do better economically tend to strengthen their democracies, while those that do badly sometimes turn dictatorial...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No. The answer is "I reject the system that feeds me poison or poison, or makes me cut either digit or limb"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People have been bound into a willful servitude'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft!  You're such a lightweight, Sonshi.  Cutting, indeed!  The pain of amputation is sudden and quite static.  It won't matter how much meat you carve off the victim if they already don't care.  If murder's not yet an option, the best way to get a result is to change your method of torture.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strong democracy isn't necessarily good for people'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They care too much about hedonic pursuits than their own liberty...to pursue hedonic pursuits.  Quel paradox'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, let's face it. They have full power over you, and if you fail to recognise that you can push them to play nice after several tries... then they'll take an arm and a leg.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't have full power; we outnumber them, which is why they're so busy keeping us infighting'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you need a constitution and need to cherish and protect it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We could string them up in the trees, but we're too large and disorganized'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like, say, trading in your knife/ax/machete for a meat grinder.  A slow and extremely painful removal of a non-essential body part is far worse than a quick chop.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you guys were willing to go that far to change things, you would have already changed the democratic process in your favour'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we are'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's called education'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it'll take an utter collapse or disaster to shake people out of their zombie state'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'education leads to dictatorships.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fact that nothing has been done to push them to do substantially better means that you don't really have the power to resist them'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we do as yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the internet is a gamechanger.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there is a growing movement'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i don't think it'll be big or fast enough to turn the tide, things -will- go bad first'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the other part of the equation is generational change, though. it won't be quick. the educated people need to have kids and educate them as well'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'not sure if we can do that faster than the ignorant people can pump out kids though'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you can't even form a party that can win elections, or reform the electoral system, or force them to recognise certain policies, you're too disorganised to use force anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'r-selection is backed by Bid Daddy G'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly why i think it will require a collapse to wake people up on a mass scale'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have the organisation to use force, you might as well do it peacefully'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people start to use force, you can forget about democracy for the next generation, because the strongest faction will rule'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are too stupid for democracy to work'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt force will be wanted'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'east asia disagrees!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People = U.S. citizens'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'on the macro level'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our democracies ex-china, are pretty okay'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'if the peopsc'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get more education!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'education is run by the establishment'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh wait, the republicans are firing teachers. Oh well, carry on!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can blame the GOP for that, and the liberals for changing the content'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're both culpable'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, government mandated education is crap, it's essentially a brainwashing propaganda machine'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'government schools does not equal education'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, the liberals changing the content? To mandate teaching ID alongside evolution? And other obviously liberal stuff like that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested in pointless arguments like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'government mandated and provided education is essential to a healthy republic'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our govt education is pretty decent...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more education wouldn't help anyways.  Those who need it don't have the time required to get through it because they work fulltime in relatively low-paying jobs.  If you focus on just the children, that's a good 2 decades of effort you won't see immediate results from with plenty of immediate issues that could jeopardize that individual's education.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it's pretty bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, for doing things like removing the Pledge of Allegiance'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Making us study animal farm and putting nineteen eighty four on our reading list was probably not an attempt to brainwash us...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'removing the requirement of an indoctrination chant? I don't see the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not teaching the constitution is a bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'every gov class i've ever been in has talked about the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I disconnect 6 seconds after using debate...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, how is it possible so few people know about it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'use deb -h!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because 10 year olds remember everything they learn in class?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it should be tought at 16 then'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or 16 year olds'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'everyone knows about it, not everyone understands it, and the historical context it was created within. My grandma thought it was some sort of divinely inspired document for eris's sake'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you can teach people, but you can't make them learn'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how the counter staff at mcdonalds can't add, I think it's a problem with quality of education rather than content'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'it was and is taught at 16, it's in highschool government classes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Almost seems like teach them not to learn, at this point'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unfortunately, there seems to me, to be this perception among a lot of people that ignorance is actually admirable, I've met people that actually wear their ignorance with a badge of honor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a lot of "haw haw, I suck at math too"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reinforces my view then that it will require a collapse to get people to wake up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People want to do what everyone else does; ignorance is endemic to the current state'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably applies to knowing stuff about the law too'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The lie to you about the law here; surprise'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and then you've all these republican voters who vote against their intersts, convinced that tax cuts for the rich will trickle down to them...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a large number of people who don't bother to vote, when they could all go to the polls and just vote a big "screw you"'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they didn't want to vote for the lesser evil...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is incompetent inept and clueless to suggest a(nother) collapse is required to wake things up'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we haven't had a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol. 2008 was not a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'we had one yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you guys have no idea what a collapse looks like'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'L.A. riots?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'greece'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could've turned into a collapse, if the slide wasn't stalled...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'greece isn't in full collapse yet...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but I'd say it's the closest example at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or at least the closest one that people are probably familiar with'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you're right, it hasn't completely collapsed yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could though... it's been hovering on the edge of collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collapse is when the government completely loses control'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spain is also in danger'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there lots of hono-bashing during great depressions and collapses'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, although spain's fiscal situation is better, it's at higher risk, because it's in some sense a multinational state'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying there is, or asking if there is?  If the latter, then there's really no way to tell because the gay and lesbian community was not as out in the open as it is now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Tigernuts is hoping for the nazi brown shirts scenario again'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sexuality wouldn't be an issue here (UK) if there was ac ollapse, though ethnicity might be'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be amusing in a black humour-ish kind of way if the same sort of situation happened in the UK with chinese vs what happened in China with the brits...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strong christian values and the KKK became popular after the great depression ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chinese here wouldn't be affected, more likely the black and arabic/pakistani community'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts vision: first the great collapse, then lots of unpopular minorities being bashed '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you never know though...'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'connetion is fine, but I go link-dead when I use debate...amusing'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the republicans stating that the decadence and vices of the sex-perverts is what caused the great collapse (even if the republicans caused the collapse)'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to imagine what a collapse would look like, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of people turning on each other'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nazi germany followed a great collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm secretly disconnecting you whenever you use debate. It's a conspiracy!'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'trying to figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Having gone complete apeshit, Sonshi compares Aardwolf to Iran and North Korea.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DosseT seems to be loving Sonshi's welcome to North Korea.
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compare Microsoft to Aardwolf  -- there are some similarities '
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite possibly, but i don't see anything else happening'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't know of any emulators that work on a phone, so either you have the original system hardware or you are using a pc/laptop/tablet with an emulator that also emulates the gameshark.  Either way, you're on the internet already and can go surfing for such codes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bah, mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'some have built-in hex editors'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama campaign staff caught telling people it's ok to vote twice'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS contemplate making Electric Shock bracelets compulsory for people using airplanes'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i guess that's easier to do then getting dead people to vote for you'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same kind of fraud, essentially, voting for non-voters'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'be nice when this is all over so I don't have to listen to this petty shit any more'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'it's disgusting'
T3/r7/2012-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the start'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adhd drugs handed out to struggling kids in school, whether they have adhd or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all society really wants is the shut the fuck up pill'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that won't work'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tz arives with beer - Beer Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no thanks'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(Tigernuts 1, Cambodia 0, Tzadkiel 0)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shift responsability for behaviour onto healthcare system too '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to....'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, 12 step for addicts, ritalin for ADHD, all society wants is for you to knock the shit off'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'also ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit responsibility from what to whom?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whatever your shit is, they don't care about how or why you are like you are, just quit causing a scene, oh will this pill make you stop?  EAT IT.  that's it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mostly parental imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the direction of travel is to the government'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Jung calls it the miracle pill cure - a panacea '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is an archetype I think - been a while since I've read any of his stuff though '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'too many douchebags seeking to shut down debate with sewer language'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is a curse channel, I am actually capable of not cursing however.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you aint seen nuthin Zela :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone is a psychiatrist, it's a good sign that they need to be ignored'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eli Lilly calls it Prozac :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is not a doctoral thesis, though, so I will not make an effort to eschew whichever curse words come naturally'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'topics: why most teaching videos suck  ...  why many/some textbooks suck  ...  (why some teachers suck) ... why aardwolf debate sucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well healthcare is government ? usually - is it the vehicle for travel iyo ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were talking about responsibility, not provider'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo once someone is labled - parents step back and helthcare "treats" the problem - ask the parent what they are doing about it - we sent her to a shrink - it's being treated '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because government has convinced people to be naff parents'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TV has done a better job of that - glorifies arrested development and we end up with kidults breeding ..'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't use tv to propagandise people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'immature people buy more useless shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they do - you are right imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and society runs on that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nods - consumer culture propped up by governemnt to assist with stability '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'built on a growth model - bloody crazy '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there Zela I swore :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they aren't going to exactly stunt your emotional growth but they sure aren't going to encourage it, unless it helps them'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh she already ignored me'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and it does - buy more be more '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if somebody is regularly using bad language, that is a valid reason to ignore them and their bad lamguage  ( and shoot to kill if they are dangerous )'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and NOW ! no delayment of gratification required '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's, like, your fucking opinion, man'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'which brings us back to the pills  - why wade through months of tough therapy when I can get fixed NOW with a pill '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the NOW pill doesn't actually fix you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if there was nothing wrong with you in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'We know that - it may shut you up and make you socially acceptable though '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'psychiatrists are expensive parasites, and ritalin is cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '" but i can't concentrate " ! no - yeah look at your activities and try and not overstimulate with the Xbox and you might slow down n focus - just take this pill '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oo goody a devils advocate !'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there are those that go braindead playing muds'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'true though drugs are cheaper ... still don't fix the problem long term though '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'drugs are meant to start the problem, to support the insurance/Big Pharm complex'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you are addicted to playing muds, you are less likely to be out on the streets comminting sexcrimes'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, like the flu vaccines that pharma makes a fortune out of, governments push, but offer little to no protection against the flu'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and SSRi'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Zoloft - crazy stuff there !'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been there, done that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and since mud addicts are poor on personal hygeine, they are less likely to find a mate and breed'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they want a dumbed-down pharmacologically-dependent society; don't take my word for it, listen to theirs'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'often wondered about uing an MOI to lengthen the high associated with extacy though '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an old and probably incorrect stereotype'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'controllable, is what they want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'predictable '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, but they make people control themselves, so they don't have to monitor'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by religion, by law, by pills, by drugs, by propaganda, controllable sure is easier to guarantee stability on than not controllable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'predictable, sure'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Micromanagement is a chore, so they use media to dictate what is normality, and move everyone to that mold'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if media works they'll use it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so people self-medicate out of fear of not being normal'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the people that run society, their main fear is instability and unpredictability'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only need to take a look at that police manual they gave out that listed people who didn't agree with mainstream ideology as terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'your ego is used against you; create a structure where you are abnormal, and you will self-correct and police yourself'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people with "leave the UN" stickers are potential terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would there be an advertising sector if it didn't work - but imo nowdays the power is with the corperations increasingly - notgovernment '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they need to not only sell stability to keep their jobs, but if they are noble and do it for the good of the people, they have the same interests really'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some of the kiddie cartoons and movies are brainwashing a new generation of criminally-minded misfits'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, kids cartoons are usually about world government'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Absolutely, Zela'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so anything that looks like it is going to buck wild and screw up an order of things that works, they will try and quash it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Funny thing is, go youtube some of the old cartoons from the 80s, and you'll be surprised what you'll notice now'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That never struck you as abnormal as a kid'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bottom line, they will quash it in the way that keeps it quiet and manageable, and nowadays a gun is not how you do that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I grew upp on pokemon :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the dollar is the sword '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so media, pills, whatever, whatever works they will use, hell, if Justin Bieber could control the population on that level, they would be controlling him, guaranteed'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the use of Elvis is documented fact .. it goes back at least that far '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'abby hoffman tried to fuck with the machine and they got on him, for sure'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'abby hoffman ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'he is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'celebrity culture are puppets used to sell worthless goods to the masses'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really its not good or evil, it's just a system that is stable and works, is what they want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if "they" use it, it's cool, and then you buy it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Pokemon is at least kiddie friendly and teaches cooperation and decency (and Team Rocket usually fails in their evil)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'culture jamming ? works ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'try Bobby Driscoll, the first MK Ultra'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yup, he's Disney'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one that they can manage into a stable state, that they can control now and for the future, for our good ostensibly (and actually), and for their wallets'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Jesse is a hotty too - still watch sometimes nowdays :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'just like Britney Spears, Timberlake, Aguilera, and the new generation Selena Gomez'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Daffy Duck is an extremely bad role-model'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not have our best interests in mind'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if they think they do'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they will pretend like the financial benefits are just side meat but it is the whole meal'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cambodia, you know MKUltra, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, the military program that aimed for mind control'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'program developed by the Nazis - all the information was absorbed by the Allies prior to occupation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the idol/reality singing shows taking all the indy talent and signing it up before it can start trouble '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not just "military" - it's a Nazi program'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you see, tzad, they don't even have to control it like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We gave Mengele aid, changes his name, he perfected it; now they use it to make super-soldiers like Project Camelot, and main-stream celebrities'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all they have to do is own the one outlet that matters, and control who gets to be there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and everyone else can say what they want, and they won't be heard in such a way that it will threaten anything important'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'stability'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep true '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George Bush's family funded a lot of the Nazi Eugenics program'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with the Rockefellers and Kissengers'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's easy to fund things when you have a "bad guy" for the public's eye'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you can do experiments you could never get away with'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are a lot of cynical and ugly things that are true about reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they are all useful'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol nature is beautiful - and cruel - economic sis the same imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the people in charge, they know all of them, and if a new one is invented they are right on top of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wardenclyffe?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tesla discovered unlimited free energy 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ward? that ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is their job, to own the roots of the cynical and undeniable currents of reality, and to control and manipulate them'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, it's nonsense, Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing is that their ends aren't as maleficent as you think'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'TEsla did no such thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tesla was a genius'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have, i'm a physicist'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they just want to keep things running smooth, like I said'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you think along those lines, you can understand a lot of why 'they' do what they do'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tesla was about to win the radio broadcast race, Zela'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Tigernuts, you're delusional as DosseT if you think facts will stop him.  Facts are a government conspiracy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'think like a parasite and a host'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'JP Morgan pulled his funding, and the Pinkertons destroyed his research'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Marconi is credited with the victory'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why? There's no money in unlimited free energy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all the parasite needs is for the host to be healthy, alive, and not emotionally invested in getting rid of the parasite'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Jhav, you can participate once you've learned about Wardenclyffe'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then there will be plenty of blood to suck, everyone is happy, why upset a system that works, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Narconi was a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Marconi was a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Edison was a fraud as well'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the cure then - mass culture ? terrorism ? culture jamming ? is there one ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'education about suppressed knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure, the host would be more naturally happy and healthy without a parasite, but thats not the point.  The point is, the parasite is there, shit is fine, why are you even trying to shake the parasite in the first place, you've been OK this whole time, so just chill out and let it suck your blood, after all, there's plenty of it and everyone needs to eat'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not through gov controlled schools though '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's it, in a nutshell sort of'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the government isn't an altruistic arbitor maintaining balance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're withholding benefits to the public welfare in favor of giving themselves money and power'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why give the world free energy, when I can control the sole source?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you see, at a fine enough level, cynicism turns into altruism in a practical sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"The Invisible Hand"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they need funds to get elected ... keep buisness happy and get funding - get elected - is why I said the power has shifted to buisiness now imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'business is squelched - if you're the small guy, you get economically gangstered and regulated out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if they were entirely self serving, they would have to, at some point, learn how to act altruistic in order to continue, and the pressure of the act, which is part of the basic necessity of a government, makes them be altruistic to a dependable degree, even if their intentions are nothing of the sort'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the "private" sector is also the public sector regulators'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is in a perfect system though cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is why the whole concept of objectivism falls on its face'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't believe that the government could actually get anywhere close to our paranoid fears without encountering serious trouble'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no absolutes in reality ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, if they stepped morally on the wrong side hard enough, there could be a day where police really were just dudes in blue suits, and the populace would uprise, it would be chaos, but I believe that there is enough moral fiber in ordinary people that serious breaches of the social contract would not be countenanced'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LA riots are an example ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is sort of a tenet that I have, that the mostly invisible moral fiber of humanity is a positive thing, overall, and that you can count on it in the 'equation' as a force that won't allow gross misconduct by a government'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or london riots - prob not london imo'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for certain, I believe, not in the United States'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the third world is a different story'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'surival ranks alturism in higher order mammals '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, the game of the government is to just turn up the heat a degree at a time until we are cooked like the proverbial frog'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that Camby ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you do not know about a frog?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'legend has it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that if you put a frog in boiling water, it will try to get out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you put it in lukewarm water, and very very slowly turn up the heat, you can eventually cook the frog and he wont know'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because he cannot compare his previous heat to his present situation enough so that he can know he is boiling, you make the relative change gradual enough and he will stew himself, happily'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh aclimatization yep '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unto death'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they do that before big concerts - gently crank up the sound through the day so residents wont complain about the show that night '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's not even that - we've become self-medicating'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'It's a good legend, but to be clear in case you were planning on frog for dinner: this legend is bullshit. If you put a frog in water and start cooking it it will attempt to escape.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'for fear of sticking out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why I precluded that story with 'legend has it', atoam :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'Fair enough, I just don't want any delicious frogs escaping'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'mostly it is a metaphor for people more than frogs'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm not afraid to stick out :D just need to get it functional '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'cultural hegemony - use TV, movies, songs, and celebrity culture to dictate what's normal'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'program society, then they become self-enforcing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we need signs in "frog" to tell him to get out then '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the hot tub is nice, why should I get out?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'better in the long run '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it reminds me of the joke that comedians like to make about the Matrix movie'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cracked.com, at least'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you wake up from a fantasy world that caters to your needs and keeps you safe and happy feeling, into a harsh, warlike reality where you get to live either on e dingy metal ship or a sweaty city built into a cavern'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'well, would you want to live on your knees, or die on your feet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is a big different to the control grid'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's a preference'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'interesting twist that the bad guy from the first movie was a red-pill human who wanted to return to the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the second option is freedom, literally, but if you had absolute freedom between the first and second options, how many people would rather just, in their freedom to choose their own life, choose one that was nice and comfy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'freedom entails leaving the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '95% choose the red pill now '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'are you a leader, or a follower? What is your substance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, it would be better to know than not know, but then once you know, maybe you wouldn't mind going back to the Matrix, at least if you are going to eat something fake, its a tasty fake'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'there are both, so there's not a wrong answer'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maslow - 1 in 20 are alphas '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am not saying that fighting for reality is not worthwhile, just elaborating on what kind of choice you have to make if you really want it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we dont even have a Matrix now and that choice is still relevant'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep - but the idea has hit pop culture - so a frog sign would be a T-shirt with "Take the Blue  pill!" on it ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, here's the thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the blue pill seems like a more real and thrilling choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the red pill is safer, more comfortable, and easily way tastier'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are only addicted to the thrill of it, you'd pick blue and then wish you'd have picked red'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are a true blood moral soldier fighting for the truth, you'd take the blue one and eat the consequences'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'using the metaphor - if you were going to take the blue pil you already have '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but what most people want, even those who think they understand the movie, is kung fu powers without the responsibility, but if you figure kung fu and responsibility into it, most people would really rather just look awesome, eat good food, and not have to worry about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'win the lottery and not pay taxes, so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is called homeostasis '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, being a real live hero *looks* way awesomer than it actually is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you'd really rather wish you were a hero than actually be one'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'comfortable - neds met - boxes ticked - or you have already taken the blue pill '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm a hero '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if they sound the clarion call I will answer'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but at this point I don't get up unless they are sounding the real alarm'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the drill sergeant can fuck himself if he wants to torture me with drills, that is sort of where I am at on this whole thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the student is ready the master will appear ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not sure which pill is which '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I stay in my seat for a fire drill, if I am reading a good book, but if the building is burning I am there to help'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I mean, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '" or you take the blue pill and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes" '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the rabbit hole goes infinitely far in infinitely many directions, and there are infinitely many ways to get lost, each one infinitely fascinating'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know how far the rabbit hole goes, I don't give a shit now really about it, because I know that everything is there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the red pill is the truth, the exit'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the blue pill is the status quo, the dream'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you do realise this is the beginings of a terrorist movement .. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'everything is sinusoidal'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's odd, can can a dream be the status quo?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the first world is not latin america'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can*'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it can, anaristos, actually'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'anarchy, order, government, totalitarianism, sedition, anarchy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if enough people dream it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, here's a dream'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'It cannot. A dream is what isn't, so it can't be the status quo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'go to school, get $150k in debt, don't get a job, then live off the taxpayers'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a dream is what our minds want to see'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if enough minds want to see something, it will manifest'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've been telling you that the police via anyone who doesn't conform to social norms as a terrorst'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever a dream is, it is not the now, which is the status quo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who use facebook are terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the status quo is the dream'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reality is subjective - subject to the individual experiencing it '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if only from a person who can read that intention and fill the void'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who DONT use facebook are terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, then you are misusing "status quo", the now is the status quo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Jim Morrison was the dream of the status quo at the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I stay the hell away from facebook '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'status quo from a subjective view, or omniscient?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they all dreamt of the 'psychedelic' trip, and he gave them what they wanted, what they dreamed of and more'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'take the Matrix: if you're in the Matrix, the status quo is a cushy life.  The reality is you're living in a pod having your life-force feeding machines'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I mean, on a certain scale, the collective desire of humanity can be read, and fulfilled'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are adding meaning where there is no meaning, status quo, by definition, is the now, so it can't be a dream.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'carlos castenada'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'status quo on the omniscient scale is you're a mind slave; from a personal point of view, you're in the Matrix and don't know any better'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, and what the now is is partly a dream'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, a peyote addict as a reference, that's good :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'collective dreams are part of what drives us'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '1.  you don't get addicted to peyote'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'did a british upperclass twit accuse a large percentage of the populace of being terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '2.  his success and career kind of speak for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'status quo is relative'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vision quest :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, but a dream is a target, the status quo is the point of departure not the destination.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Plato's allegory of the cave, for instance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Zela, American intelligence/police'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok that I will grant'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I am saying, is that right now, is the departure and the destination simultaneously'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I wondred when the cave would come out :P I mentioned it 2 nights ago '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and part of that is a dream, and the people now who are successful are successful because we dream of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://publicintelligence.net/slatt-terrorism-training/'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they know our dreams.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they programmed them in part imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they tell us what the dream is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously what is the difference between Lady Gaga being a skinny bitch wearing bacon, and being an international idol?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we WANT her'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'which douchebag republican american said that facebook was mandatory usage to avoid being a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they use celebrity culture to promote bling/hedonic culture, so we subscribe to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'our wants make her have power, she knows it, she uses it, if we didn't care then we wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'then we willingly subject ourselves to the fiat system, because we want to act as they'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No different from mommy eating a spoon so baby imitates'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'reading the collective dream, appropriating the symbols, and giving the people what they dream of, in the most cynical sense at the *very* least, is a way of power'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to use Jim Morrison again, if he were here now, we wouldn't care, we did then, we don't know, because then he was part of the dream, and now he is not'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hitler used just that technique imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lady Gaga is a sell-out to the music industry'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he did tzad'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'anybody that uses facebook regularly is likely to be a mental-retard eventually'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You sell your soul to satan, you get a record-deal'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know a lil about Hitler :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't do it? Then next in line will'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'while he filled that space in an evil way, he filled it, he read it, he understood it, and he used it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is all the idol stuff - music industry sucking out new talent now P2P music sharing has dulled profits '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what powerful people do, that is paychic power'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Gaga is not an independent'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'she's a willing sell-out to the system'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no psycic power is more than that - imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that uses here as a dress-up doll to sell ideology'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'her'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look guys, it's simple'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we want to go to lunch, where do we go?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'God dislikes crappy digital sounds -- so the Apocalypse and Armeggedon is coming'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lunchbox ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know you are thinking of burgers, and I know the best burger joint, at least, the place that you will love the most'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I suggest where to go'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you listen'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you need to 'go somewhere' for lunch?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what if I don't listen?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'an example, man'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I get the example '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I get what you want, you will listen'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no matter what'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like all the people on welfare?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the subtext is that I am not resourceful enough to procure that which I want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamaphone?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'implying I don't have enough character; I must use that of Lady Gaga's'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which, ironically, happens to apply to a vast majority'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing is, if I read your wants you will listen to what I say'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So I am void of choice; other people are proxy for my choice? Sounds like slave/sheep mentality'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the 95% are not functional enough to prepare for a meal away from home '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is power'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But I can act on my own wants; where do you come into play?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'now if you want a burger, and I want a burger, let's go'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I fit into your act'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'but I don't need your input'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well you know the best place, let's say'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it seems that more builders are leaning toward the epic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but seriously man, I've been there and you NEED to try here'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know, I know, that place is good, the one you know, I love it too, but I tried this place and seriously, man, you've never even imagined a burger like this'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and it's cheaper than your lunchbox lunch too ..'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I need to do is realize that idea in your mind richly enough, not hard enough, but richly enough, so that you will know that I know a place that is better than yours'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that sounds more like a suggestion, and my accepting it; my choice to be influenced, not your leading me'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I still have free will'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you say, where is it?  then you are mine'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I could say "nah man, that place is no good, I'm going somewhere else"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no free will, government outlawed it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, but you make the choice based on what you want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you could if you were paranoid and smelled some sort of coercion trap'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but that is a pretty elementary level for people who really manipulate minds'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that sounds like misperception on your part; that I acquiesced to your suggestion simply because I went along'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'when in reality I simply explored a new avenue'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'misperception'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what it looks like to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and if you resist - there is a dollar incentive - is cheaper to eat cra p at Maccas than to bring your own good stuff '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let me say this'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyone who successfully manipulates you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it never looks like you were manipulated, to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if it does, they failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't perceive that as manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'EXACTLY'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so here I am thinking I'll try a new place, and here you are thinking you influenced me to go'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's not manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but DosseT, did you obtain a decent science education -- some of what you said earlier casts doubt'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a good con artist does not look like a con artist'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'manipulation would be "I'm going to this place" and you dissuade me out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it was your own "good" idea - reenforced by the party providing the reenforcement :D lol 101'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they look like a cool guy, an awesome person you met who knows where the good spots are'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then later on you have to piece it together, if they came up and you thought, "con artist", then they are not one'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's simply that the outcome of our two decisions aligned; though they are independent'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and everyone thinks, that is what a con artist looks like (seeing one)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'there's no inception involved; what if I planned to go to that place before you even broached the subject?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so here you are thinking you manipulated me, whereas I have deceived you into thinking you influenced me'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now who deceived who?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'planned influenced by advertising - still coincidence ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an inadequate flawed education + "freewill" is a bad combination'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I wouldn't call that manipulation; a successful manipulation would be a dissuasion, not a persuasion'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'as a persuasion can't be guaranteed as a direct cause of action'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a successful manipulation is whatever gets another person to do what you want them to do'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but still influences thought imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you are deluding yourself into thinking the action of my going was caused by you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it may, or may not have, but YOU can't tell from your standpoint'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is KitKat using TSA paedobear in their advertising?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how it looks to them, doesn't matter, if what they want is not far off from what you want, then there is not much bending involved, otherwise more, but in the end, they feel like they did what they wanted ,but they did what you wanted'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's a 2-stage game with incomplete information'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yet there are ways to bend the currents of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you are actually setting yourself up for failure; you've convinced yourself that the mark is pliable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I can telegraph your action and play your game'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is the only important part'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you get manipulated, you never know it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you think I am being deceived, while I take you for a ride'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that counts for me and you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, that game can go on for levels ans levels'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and only at the end will either of us know who won or lost, that is like spy wars'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not really; there are a finite number of ends to the 2-stage game with incomplete'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but that is the real game of manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are not the common man mate - we are talking lowest common denominitor here '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no seriously'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all it sounds to me is your convincing to yourself that you're influencing someone simply because their action aligned to what you hoped to achieve'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people who think that con artists look like con artists are very wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's the whole point of manipulation though'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'manipulation means you had a hand at the output'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't matter if you did it because I made you or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all that matters is that you do what I want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't matter why'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how you manipulate'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you convinced yourself I did it because you influenced me simply because it appears so'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no but your point here is who actually *made* someone do something'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'my point is who does what'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government trying to claim that the Smokey Mountains are smokey because of smog pollution that will kill you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you were already doing what I wanted without input, I wouldn't do a thing and you would be part of my plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'well, there are two instances: one in which you have a pliable target you influenced, and one which already had intent'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is manipulation, just making it work how you want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if I was already meeting someone at the new joint, you had no input'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'but would convince yourself you did simply because my action parallels your desired outcome'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if my goal was for you to be there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'your goal was achieved with 0 input from you - you didn't influence anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't even matter if you think I did or didn't 'manipulate' you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the amount of my influence is not important'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the outcome is what I am going after'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys - feedback loop ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'manipulation requires input - otherwise it's called happenstance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the less effort I make to make it happen, the more efficient the plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your interest here is to be the person that is not manipulated'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I am telling you, that is not even relevant to a manipulator'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you'll have convinced yourself you had an input regardless of the outcome'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'swap roles in the role play and run simulation again ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'my input doesnt matter, unless it helps the plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not an ego thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'try my idea ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if someone's move coincided with what you want, that's called getting lucky'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want this, you have to do this so I can get this, if I can do nothing and you do it, then it's good'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck the labels man'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'its way more essential'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yea, you lucked out - you didn't influence or coerce me to do it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fine then'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'things panned out as you had hoped'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as long as you do what I want you to do, regardless of anything that I do that may or may not make you act that way'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then I succeeded'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and what you think about what I did or did not do does not matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'course it does; I can telegraph and feign ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'run simulation again - roles reversed - remove some subjective bias ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's Game Theory'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'frankly, if I were a manipulator, I'd rather just not exist at all to you at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah right, but you have to be aware that there is a game going on first'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I do not want you to know'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'everything with two or more parties is a game'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no party no game'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Id rather have no parties, no game, no manipulation, and no plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn I must be MPD - I play games with myself all the time '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'any time there are two parties, there's a game'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'd rather just ask you if you have a buck to help with the parking meter'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prisoner's Dilemma, matching pennies, centipede, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then use that dollar to make a phone call to someone that mattered'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if I give you one, it's not because you willed me to'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thats what I said ages ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a good manipulator, you are not even on your guard like this'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one upmanship and deb ... not cool mate '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's not manipulation, it's lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'manipulation is influencing and changing behavior'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I wasn't going to give you one, now I am'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not: I gave you one for an ostensible reason, which you used for another'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every single thing you can possibly do can be manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'including nothing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you cannot be paranoid enough to guard against it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'problem with over-thinking it is now you've become a causal impetus for everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if I go outside, the sky is blue because I guessed it was'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you underthink it you are still vulnerable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a fair witness never guesses :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'overthinking it can be used against you, and so can underthinking it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the truth is, you will be manipulated'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'take Game Theory if you haven't - cool ideas there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you might as well choose your principles such that (For example), if you were manipulated into helping a child, and it furthered someone else's goal, you might as well be damned for helping a child, and you can't control it all, so you choose it like that and you just can't be perfect'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'game theory isnt the question'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the question is, when is the game being played?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I consider manipulation requiring a direct hand'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not what do you know, but when is it applicable?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you're considering aligning of incentives to be manipulation regardless of whether you had input'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reciprocity and alturism are hardwired into humans - manipulation begins at the biological level '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'manipulate seems to be a transitive verb'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am considering that a manipulator has an objective sequence of actions that they want to see'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and any action that they take, direct or indirect, personal or impersonal, etc., that will help that sequence occur, is manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anything, ANYTHING at all that works is fair game'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so a hamster in a ball is manipulating you when you give it its daily pellet at 2 P.M.?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'seems a bit farfetched and broad'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, the joke about how your dog walks you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's more about the dog bothering you or shitting on the carpet if you don't walk it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'existentially speaking, no. The pellet is given by choice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or you being bothered by the carpet being shat upon'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'negative reenforcement - more likely to get rid of the dog ? - I don't like dogs - they are like humans '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's simply comparing incentives, and acting on the higher of the two'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I derive -2 utility from be-shat carpet, and -1 from taking time to walk'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are drawing a line here between manipulation and natural action'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I made an executive decision'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when manipulators, truly, work with the tendencies of natural action'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so that you act as you want, and as they want'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'too broad'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say you are too narrow but I am amiable to agree to disagree'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'who manipulates whom then? The N2/C2/O2, or your lungs?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good question there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol claps !'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is actually very close to the crux of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I thought this required theory of mind'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if there is not enough air in your lungs, they will want to move'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I fuck with your lungs, they will move'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I remove your air, they will move'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I want themn to move, either option will work'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I am efficient, I will pick the easiest one'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you see?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aww turns to threat - guys objective much ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I want is for you to gasp for air'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what manipulates the 2O3 <-> 3O2 ozone equilibrium, for example'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are multiple ways to make that happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you introduce other gases, it pushes an equilibrium the other direction'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'no cognitive process or agenda involved'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you're attributing motive to things for which there is none'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nothing is off the table'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'now this is just a semantic dispute'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, as a manipulator, optimally I want to put motive into things that you think have no motive, so that you act as you think you want to, unaware of me'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am the unseen force'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like a black ops commando'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'never there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a Romulan!'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the difuse was suggested a while ago with role reversal ... '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the ultimate practice of manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you're taking credit for things for which you have none'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck credit'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck motive'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck what I did'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the black ops commando made the earth orbit around the sun?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or didn't :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so he could be in darkness'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, he took advantage of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or, did he wait until it was dark'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so did the earth manipulate the black ops commando into having to wait?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he used darkness where it could be found'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a shame to see minds wasted on emotions '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to find darkness all you have to do is to extinguish the light :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...by telling it to rotate, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'wait until dark, or the light bulb "burnt out"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, he had to wait; it was a contingency, not a willing of mind'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sit on this axis and rotate ! ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'doesn't matter who did what or who thought what or who wanted anything, as long as there is darkness where it is needed'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yes, if the river is flowing where you want to go, then you follow the current'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so acquiescence'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really that is elementary, it doesn't matter which way you wanted the river to go'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if it works man'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it matters where you wanted to go, what would help you, and how you made that work'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'isn't acquiescence the opposite of your argument?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO it is not'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if you can't use the river, then don't; you can't make the river reverse course (reasonably)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you plan on walking'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if the river is willing to help, you take it's help'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'walk on water '
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that sounds like a passive/reactionary approach to living'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's just called resourcefulness; not manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your opinion in that sense is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'using things that benefit your aims'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'YOU GOT IT'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'using things that benefit your aims'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so you are defining resourcefulness as manipulation; got it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and how to make more things benefit you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anything that helps you is manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, if it looks manipulative, they failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if all of reality seems to be going their direction, then they are probably pretty decenbt'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the methods are infinite'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they all look natural, like something else, and not one seems like a plan or a scheme'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how you operate if you are smart about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you treat reality as an object when reality is really a state.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'part of it you can control'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'part of it you cannot'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you cannot manipulate reality because it is not an object, you can change the state by manipulating the objects in the system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people play this game though'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and win even, sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I cannot change the laws of physics'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '2 intellegent ppl turning something intersting into a pissing contest - SSDD'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who was it, that guy who wrote the Laws of Power?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he kind of codified it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you guys should read Science and Sanity by Korzybski... it is an introduction to gneral semantics and non-Aristotelian systems'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm sure there is a lot to this subject actually'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I am saying is that the manipulation that you spot as manipulation, is not successful manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the real thing, when done right, you just act naturally according to yourself, and you play into my goals, and optimally, you will never know about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, if I were trying to lie to you, and you saw me as a liar, then I am a shitty liar'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'basically that is it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if I see you as a liar, then you are not a liar because you will tell me the truth :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I know that you see me as a liar, and tell you what you think is the truth, and you believe it, then I successfully lied'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that game goes real far if you want it to'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you all have too much time on your hands'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being here kind of presupposes that in a way :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but if I see you as a liar I will use what you tell me to determine where the truth lies :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, and that angle can be used'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know you are a liar, so you can't lie to me, because for you to lie I must accept what you say as truth, if I accept what you say as a lie then you are no longer lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only if you flat do not listen to a word that I say at all, knowing me as a liar, can you have a chance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'facts are facts :) So if you say that today is Tuesday, I know, because you are a liar, that it must be any day but Tuesday :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and even then, I could tell the truth, knowing that you wouldn't listen'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, the day of the week is something that I cannot change :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if I can't tell what the truth is then I couldn't know you for a liar, so it goes without saying that I will know the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you can listen to me without presupposing truth or lies'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and hold the information until such time as you can verify it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'count me as a source of unknown reliability'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no comments on the Fed buying up 40bn of mortgage notes per month with invented money in order to leverage them and invest in junk derivatives so that banks will buy government bonds?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let the facts be your guide'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with lies is that at some point its container will collapse, not so with the truth. So you apply the lie to the container to see if it remains intact.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, now you are getting somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it remains intact then it is the truth :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the only thing is that often, a liar only needs a temporary situation to occur, and the container can afford to be flimsy, as long as it serves for as long as it needs to'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so, I go to your house to screw your daughter, and you meet me with a shotgun, and I say something just plausible enough for me to be able to leave'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a workable lie will have to weave around the target subject, but that will cause a "hole" in the container.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, as long as you discovering the lie later is irrelevant to my needs, it becomes acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I need a minute, my lie only needs to work for maybe 2 minutes tops'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if a lie gets me from point A to point B, then it doesn't matter that it is a lie, if B was my target.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is mostly how lies are useful'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not to mar point Z, but just to suffice enough to get from A to B'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no, lies try to make C look like B.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the collapse is being put off until as much of the world collapses as possible, so that they can bring in a global currency (SDR) as the solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, but a different lie can work for B and C'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone else, who doesn't know what I said to you, of course, if I become known as a fraud, if you tell the next person, then that is bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a lie can be useful, in a certain time and place'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am only concerned that the information doesn't mask B with C. As long as I can arrive at B, I can ignore the fact that I was being pointed to C.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but eternally, no, a lie never beats the truth'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '"This statement is false, I'm lieing."  Well, if it's true what I'm saying then the sentence is lieing. On the other hand if it's a lie it means the sentence is true which in turn makes it a lie.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, obviously you don't like works of fiction.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fiction i a polite word for lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well a fiction is a lie meant to entertain'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and what entertains is like, the eternal fascination and study of fiction writers'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, situational ethics, the ends justifies the means :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I would say that fiction falls under ethics if I tell you one in order to affect real world consequences'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I write a story or poem that is awesome but untrue, I don't think that is ethically applicable but that is just me'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for the sake of a good story'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not as propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you say they are meant to entertain, so you are saying that entertaining justifies lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I tell a rad story about how I was a secret agent in the year 3000 and it is a great adventure tale but totally untrue, and I sell it as a lie (fiction), then it is entertainment'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'With this untrue story, have you said "this is true" (or left it implied and not refuted)?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are a girl, and I tell a rad story about how I am a doctor to get in your pants, then I am a liar'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I am the guy who wrote A Million Little Pieces, I am a liar (apparently)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I am Stephen King writing a horror story, I am a good fiction author (Stephen King never claims his fiction stories to be anything but fiction)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you are assuming that you succeed because you are believed, in either case.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no...the first case, I succeed if you like it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is a HUGE difference between writing fiction, and writing false nonfiction (as oxymoronic as that may be)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is vak'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it is a fact, that i've never seen him claim that it was fiction. It is assumed that it is fiction :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I agree...that is what I mean'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fiction does not have the intention of truly deceiving'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whereas falsifying your biography or whatever, does'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or "regular" lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but an assumption does not grant truth, in fact you can lie by omission :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did California ever go Democrat?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is another way to check :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'part of being truthful is guaranteeing your statement against omission'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lie by ommission is a load of crap made by courts who cannot assess given facts in a manner which befits the seeking of truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lie by ommission relies on assumption, and courts should not be assuming anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you come to me and say "I think you killed her" and I say nothing, and you assume that I say nothing because I did kill her and I let you, I am lying by omission.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I assume that you killed her because you said nothing, then I have also failed at finding the truth'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the definition the court gives, yes - however, I say that is not 'lying''
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell, I've failed if I believe you when you say yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'boys do that all the time, allowing others to think that they have done something by simply not denying others' misstatementes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I say that to lie by ommission is not lying at all, merely letting the stupid live up the their namesake'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Tigernuts, blame Reagan :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Dukmaijan, and Wison. After 3 republcan governors, California had enough :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Wilson*'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well anywhere where there is a high proportion of welfare beneficiaries, and educated idiot trendies (read 'townies') you'll get democrat/labour'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the best I could say at being truthful, is that I listen to what you say if I suspect you, without believing it, but I take notes, and as I gather evidence and investigate, I keep your statements in mind as possibly pertinent information'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a similar issue in the Uk with the 'Liberal Decocrats''
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then I imagine that whole scenario, and what you could do if you wanted to be malicious and guide me towards something bad, and then act as best as I can, not knowing if one or the other side is true'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Cambodia, you can't blame anyone for your misfortunes, you are responsible for your own actions. That's axiomatic existentialism.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well truthfully, you can only be so cautious'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyone who plans to deceive you already has the upper hand as far as paranoia goes'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are the sum total of your choices, if after you made your last choice you happen to have a misfortune, you have to remember it was your choice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like the rest of life, there are precautions you can take, and some of it you can do nothing about'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you do your best'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that sounds like a cop out :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I mean, someone who wants to deceive you is already operating above any practical level of paranoia that you can possibly have in your normal life'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Elbert County man labelled a terrorist for investigating cost of County CCTV system'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't see every threat that may or may not be after you, or who could be manipulating you, or who is lying to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just...do as much as you can about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, well, Tigernuts, we have entered a new era (or actually have gone back in time). Governments have openly become oligarchies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only a cop out if you bullshit yourself about how much you try'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US touts its constitution, but it fails to tell the world that it is only applicable part time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think the rest of the world knows that much about the US though'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it fails to apply it msot of the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not because it shouldn't be, but because it's convenient to them not to'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government unfortunately self-selects a certain kind of person'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, dickheads'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and those people have a shape that they would like the world to be in'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the shape where they rule and you don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The dollar is already dead and you don't know it"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do think that the US is ending its reign over the world and that someone else will be running the show here in the future'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have war brewing'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well it's a tough pill to swallow'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pill?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think the pill will fix?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'll have to forge a new national identity that isn't based on arrogance'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are going to be wiped out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, the fact that we are going to have to step down as arbiters of world affairs is a tough piece of news to assimilate'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a tough pill to swallow'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has nothing to do with being an arbiter of anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ideally, we'll ask Britain, like a lost son asks his father, how you deal with running the world and then losing it, and then they will compassionately help us grow up'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then we can join the rest of Europe in the retired countries lounge'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why do you think the US dollar was so great for so long?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we had the clout to guarantee our success'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'manipulation!'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we had the power to do it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all your wealth and resources have been seperated from the country'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and very soon, that will not be the case'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, our shit was unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-everyone's- shit is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's affecting most of the developed world'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe that the whole thing takes turns'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but US and EU must deeply'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think there is a natural rhythm to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you consider on a civilisation scale'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, who controls the majority of influence, of all types, in our world'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Keynesian economics suggests economies periodically dip and surge between undersustaining, and oversustaining - recent developments have suggested this is a tiered system, in that the minor dip and surge pattern also fits a wider dip and surge pattern.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but even then, you can't use old patterns, the world has globalised - nothing is isolated anymore'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Keynesian economics is a crock of shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are still rulers, and empires, they just don't work militaristically anymore'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nowadays it's more cultural and financial'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet it keeps getting proven over and over again Tiggr'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'influence'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, probably China will take a turn for awhile'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or try to'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok honestly, I can't pretend to know who will sit in the Amyrlin Seat next'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe in Keynesian economics, you might as well believe in Star-signs'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are a politician, and everyone else believes in star-signs, then that would actually be a useful belief'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a global currency already in effect, and that's a bit scarey'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'err...'false' stock market tips that are spouted by widely heard and believed people still have real effects'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, I guess if we all get bored enough, we could actually go ahead and throw World War III'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just to get it out of our systems'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know who'll survive that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one does, man, that's the big thrill about it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'war is retarded'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...and?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but every so often we forget that it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think the ruling elite care if it's retarded or not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think that they can't live without the non-elite regular people'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and they know it'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, slaves on the reservation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at the very least'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are all slaves on the reservation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like I said earlier, parasite and host'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in any case, even at their most self-serving, they'd never just gratuitously wipe us all out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they'll keep just enough alive to do the donkey work'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unless they thought that they could do it to other people and not "us", and that a world with just "us" and not the rest of "them" would be advantageous'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if enough leaders see that as a real possibility, then we'll have war'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since most stuff is done my machines these days, they need a whole lot less of us than 50 years ago. This is why there are so many bio-ethics groups calling for wiping out 80% of the population'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and these bio-ethics nuts tend to get brought into UN and other places of power'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'too bad we can't restructure our economic system to accomodate a system where everyone, regardless of employment, benefits from the fruits of our automation'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I heard once of someone who wrote (fictionally) of a future that basically runs off of a stipend economy, like the state of Alaska, but on a way larger scale, with all of our basically fully automated industry as the oil pipeline'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops use taser on a man having a seizure'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sick headline'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, NJ passed a bill essentially preventing parents from deciding whether or not to have their kids vaccinated'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I don't know about other states, but in NY and VA you couldn't attend publics schools (or college) without them'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'common bit of propaganda, you need a waiver'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but NJ has passed a bill to essentially preclude that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well, learned something new I guess.  I'm not from the camp that thinks vaccines are harmful, but I do worry about anytime the government mandates something, that the cost of it will suddenly explode due to increased demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'is there anything in the legislation to prevent price fixing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, legislation is in place to maintain price fixing and monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, vaccines aren't a problem, pointless vaccines are'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines aren't a problem, certain types of vaccines are'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'can you give me an example of a pointless vaccine they are mandating?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines aren't a problem, certain implementation of vaccination is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'they mandated flu vaccine?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and flu is the best example of all of the above - it's all about money'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not for everyone, but in certain schools and public sectors'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'generally vaccines are slightly harmful, but preferably on average far less harmful than the disease they are supposed to prevent, that is sort of the point :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good example was gardisil shots for girls at high school in Texas'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the case of flu'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'given that the US seems to have far more mandatory vaccines than most other rich countries, and to some extent give the vaccines earlier, you may want to consider that, of course'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'wow, I even get my kids flu vaccinated, but I'd agree that one's so hit or miss it shouldn't be mandated'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'along with the interesting notion that mercury is safe in vaccines and deadly everywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, mercury is good for you, stop lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some of the seasonal flu vaccines seem to work rather poorly, but those are generally not even mandatory for health care personell here'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'where I work they offer (but certainly don't require) a free flu vaccine.  My wife works in health care, she was mandated to get one, but then she works with elderly people on a daily basis so I can understand the concern'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu shots don't stop you getting flu'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has to be the message to take away, but it's not the message people get told'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Flu shots trick your immune system into protecting you'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well no, and seat belts don't stop you from dying in a car wreck, it's all about statistics'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu shots protect you from a limited spectrum of different flu varients'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'see there's another one parents are familiar with, and my concern for the mandated vaccines: both states I've lived in have mandatory child car seat laws until your 8, sounds good on paper, but when you go to the store to buy a car seat they're 80 bucks a pop, cuz the manufacturer knows they have you by the balls'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it should not take 80 bucks to make a car seat'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably does'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'not where you're guaranteed to sell several to every new person born'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's a plastic mold and a cushion'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'll bet China could crank one out for under 3 bucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's the exact issue I have with "Obamacare" - mandatory health insurance means insurance companies know you have to buy, so they can jack up the price.  At least the legislation caps the amount of profit they can make on patients, but I don't think it does any favors for the overall costs of healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Looks like the debates closed most of the difference between Obama and Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/10/05/the-great-debate/'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The Obama-Romney debate showed that they agreed on most of the goals, Romney favours gov't frameworks and private solutions, Obama seems to favour gov't framework and solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'my 4th grader came home with a certificate that she voted, penciled in berocko bama (sic).'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Romney listed some core concepts from his plan, Obama complained about Romney's lack of details, and kept complaining about apparently nonexistent elements of Romney's plans'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I seriously want to know if 3rd party candidates were presented, or if our kids are being indoctrinated to the two party system from the ripe old age of 9'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'interestingly my opinion of both candidates is somewhat higher after that debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a two party system is the stable state for your election system :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well, turns out they were given 4 choices, though she couldn't remember who the other 2 were.  (To be fair she couldn't remember Romney either)'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm disgusted that in both debates so far, the candidates opted to completely dodge some tough questions.  In the VP debate, the moderator DIRECTLY asked Paul Ryan about the math behind his party's cut 20% of taxes acroos the board, and he continued to provide no specifics to the plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I get not wanting to get into the weeds of the math and have it take up the whole debate, but thus far it's nothing but a sound byte, and a poor one at that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians rarely mention specifics'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'often because they don't have access to the details around implementing them'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well and one can argue the President isn't a legislator, and whatever they pass is ultimately at the mercy of what compromise can be achieved by Congress, which has become more and more unwilling to negotiate over the last decade'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but still, I think it's a fair question to ask someone if you got everything you wanted, what would it look like?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, ryan doesn't give specifics about his plan, because specifics that satisfy his claims don't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's the story left to be told by the opposition, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but thus my disgust with his (lack of) plan.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither side has a plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, at least one side will continue doing about the same thing they did for the last 4...'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Gary Johnson has a plan - it's not an appealing one to many recipients of government services though'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but it at least mathematically works out'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I really wish he'd been able to debate with the candidates.  I think he'd have made a stark contrast to them by actually providing some detail, forced the harsh reality of what spending cuts vs tax hikes looks like'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would that be, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'R49% O47%, burrrrrn'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police called to school because of st'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police called to school because of lunchbox contained a drink in a glass jar'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was the alleged crime'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vice principal  told the boy they may transfer him out of school, would enrol them in an alcaholics class, and tried to suspect him for 5 days for violating the school's drug and alcohol policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the fact that schools are run by crazed lunatics isn't a good advert for private schooling, i don't know what is'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Tigernuts initially misreported the incident with a misleading inflamatory "lunchbox contained a drink in a glass jar" instead of "lunchbox contained an alleged alcoholic drink"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't alcoholic'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, Tigernuts was being misleading? I am shocked, I tell you! Never before has the world even imagined such a scenario!'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'covered by "alleged"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't an alcoholic drink, the lunatic vp just assumed that'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially because there is a push to prevent kids bringing packed lunches to schools in many states'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to be bitter just because your deity is losing ground, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless Romney wins by a landslide, he will have stolen the election, with Republicans pushing through ludicrous voter ID laws.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make you sound even the least bit ridiculous'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Including laws that disqualify out-of-state drivers licenses. They're not even pretending anymore. They just want to keep people who usually vote predominantly Democrat from being able to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[14 Oct 08:45:10] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, mercury is good for you, stop lying'" <--- yep, Tigernuts is a nutter'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if obama, who has just about every ounce of social propoganda and stereotype working in his favour, can't win against romney, who has every bit of negative neo-con warmongering wall street sleeze and greed issue running against him'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then.... he probably doesn't deserve to win'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's called sarcasm, Zade, I know you guys don't have it over there'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was bad "terrorist" debating by Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like Zade to fuck off!
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'classy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if anybody poor votes for Romney, they are mental-retards'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any vote not for Gary Johnson is a vote for the end of the world'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since we're going for unfeasably exagerated voting claims'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the end of the world would be a really cool time to live'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't be, which is kinda the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a vote for Romney is a vote for financial disaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're already in a financial disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, since i'm editing Zade for accuracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"a vote is a vote for financial disaster"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thank GW Bush and the Republicans for the current financial disaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"thank global banking elite for the current financial disaster"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans want to get in again and complete the wholesale damage to the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, no.  Our current financial disaster was started by the Depression-era democrats pushing to get the New Deal and related programs through so that America could emerge from the Great Depression.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in short, it's all the fault of the Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the Republics want to get in again and make the most money out of the wholesale damage to the economy"'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats and independants, too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you are in fact a total moron if you think politicians don't want to recoup the money they wasted on their campaigns.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or that they would adopt a "poor" lifestyle once they got into power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, why do you think the winners throw such large parties when they win?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The Thick of It" is a pretty good TV program'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"502. That's an error."'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Taylor Swift looks like a hag. Discuss'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you must like the type of chick that makes Igor look pretty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, more like taylor swift reminds me too much of my sister for me to consider her pretty'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she does look farrrr older than 23'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what a good stylist can do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're 23, why would you want to look like you're 45?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she doesn't look 45, that's just you projecting your anti-sisterism onto her.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's her legs'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and her arms'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you've been looking at your sister's arms and legs?'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Taylor Swift's'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, sure.  We got the debate history to prove otherwise, though. "She reminds me too much of my sister".'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've been around zade too long'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'extensive exposure to the internet is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how we get the facts of everyday life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're Yuna, then facts only come from accredited communist sources'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the video is awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-bus-punch-report-687451'
T3/r7/2012-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bus driver deserves a medal. Why is it US army vets get so badly treated?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or will the downsampling lose pretty much any "perks" that the 5.1 version would have?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Communists win Czech local elections'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Flemist nationalists made sweeping gains across Northern Belgium in local elections, hoping to work towards a break up of the country'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stock markets rise on the back of massaged consumer spending figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more troops mass on Turkey-Syria border. Turkey accuses Syria of arming Kurdish seperatists'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(it was probably Russia)'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYPD officer assaults man in Synagogue'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russia might still be pissed that turkey intercepted that flight and confiscated radar eq'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v7bxmXMTkwo'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syria had no right to confiscate that eq'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err turkey'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it is their airspace...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technically they have a right to allow or disallow whatever they want in their airspace'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only by prior arrangement'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, by prior arrangement'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you decide to randomly bring down planes and then make stuff up to confiscate it, that's called piracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do forbid military eq passing through to syria, though. This has been in effect for quite some time, I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least, well before that incident'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was an arms embargo'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'specifically a UN saction'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err sanction'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't need anyone's approval to enforce your own arms embargo, in any case'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, but this wasn't arms that they seized'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't seize anything in the end, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's up to the country what they deem to be military eq'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they seized radar eq...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russia demanded it back, not sure if turkey returned the eq. Last I heard, not yet.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was a UN sanction they were acting under, then what constitutes items banned under the embargo will be written quite thoroughly'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were russia i'd invade turkey, say fuck em'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't have a right to invade another country over something the country had a right to do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'impose their own no flyzone over the north border of syria, since Nato can't be trusted with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we disagree on the salient point'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if I say no sending military eq to country B over my airspace... that's what it means'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there's the bombing of Syria from Turkish aircraft, that's a violation too'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's in retaliation...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retaliation for the syrian insurgeants firing mortars into turkey?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it's turkey that provided access to the country for them and are supplying them the mortars in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the syrian govt doesn't deny firing the mortars though...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and besides, it's kind of the wrong direction for the rebels to be firing in'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're concentrated on the border regions and firing south, the govt is firing north'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian foreign minister went on state tv within a couple of hours and said they didn't do it. UN had to retract a statement stating that Syria had claimed responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a NATO mortar, they even found unexploded shells and matched them up to NATO supplies'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm willing to believe it could have just been a few strays'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of countries use nato ammo'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not Syria, they use Russian'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, even we use some, and we're on the other side of the world'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these were mortars supplied to the insurgeants via Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which they've been doing all along via a joint US/Turkey military base just inside the Turkish border'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a proxy war between Nato/Saudi/Qatar/Sunnhi axis and Russia/Shia access'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you've got US sending military forces to Jordan'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, it's "insurgent"...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and UK firming up defence commitments with Bahrain'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurgents, terrorists, foreign freedom fighters'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call them what you will'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure it's a proxy war... they're common these days'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west should have just butted out'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, with turkey right next door, you can't blame them for taking an active role'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an active role would have been ensuring no fighters cross the border, and nothing except medical aid does'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not 'actively arming and fortifying the Al-Quaida''
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'besides, with turkey having largely free elections, domestic public opinion is critical for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well they've had a few large protests against action already'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while they may have been responding with more force than necessary, they have been keeping within the range of legitimate actions. At least the overt actions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they are working in direct opposition to al qaeda too, despite your claims'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legitimate defined as bending the rules as far as they possibly can, much like the UK/US invasion of Iraq in 2003'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bending... but not breaking...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they're not, al-quaida is on their side'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'al qaeda doesn't want foreign intervention, so that they can radicalise the rebels, who would have no one else to turn to'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-quaida were essentially set up by, financed, trained, and directed by Saudi Arabia and USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'They're Saudi's dog'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a power struggle, and although they are nominally on the "same side", they're really bitter enemies, much like the soviet/allies coalition, or the CCP/ROC alliance vs japan'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even remotely as much enemies as you make out'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both of them would very much like the other faction to get slaughtered or pull out of the conflict... more power for them, if they win.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember how the ROC's "allies", the CCP, destroyed them after japan fell, by taking much of the credit while enduring few of the losses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best result for turkey would be a new syrian govt that shares their values and system...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best result for the turkish government is that Syria's regime wins and forgives them'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, why would turkey want a neighbour firmly in the orbit of one of their strategic threats?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think if Assad falls Syria will be a safer neighbour?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if assad wins, and they are seen to not have done enough, they can forget about the next election...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's 'they'?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'turkey's govt'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find this whole attitude of "destroy a country killing 10s of thousands of people and ask questions later" distasteful'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they're doing it to liberate the country...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '10s of thousands of people getting killed by the country probably don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't warranted in iraq, wasn't warranted in afghanistan, wasn't warranted in Libya, wasn't warranted in Syria, and won't be warranted in Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has nothing to do with liberation'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to justify sitting on your hands while your neighbours govt massacres their own people'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which they weren't'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'intervene, save lives, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because the intervention has saved lives, clearly'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you might notice that they only switch sides after assad started murdering his own people blatantly...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'switched'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did he do that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the protests erupted?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that any different to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, China, Pakistan, or USA for that matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or South Africa'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't share a border with turkey?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does that matter?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, sure, it's not nice to ignore people getting murdered in nakalabalistania or wherever, but most people can just avert their eyes. When your neighbour is raping his daughter in broad daylight, it's a bit hard to say "ho hum, I don't see anything, just weeding my garden here."'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the US and UK's excuse?'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, global powers are different... more meddlesome. But even then, they aren't really intervening much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mostly words from them, and bits of aid because their "allies" want them to do something'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they really ought to be doing more... even if it's easy to ignore, a "democracy" shouldn't be averting their eyes just because it's happening elsewhere...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't believe in the primacy of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inherently flawed'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't like dictatorships...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe you'd prefer an undemocratic form of govt, but I think most will disagree'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Democracies are less bad than other realistic forms of government!'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'usually..'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constituional republic is fine, provided you don't let arsehat dictators and wall street ignore/denigrate the constitutional part'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consitutional monarchy works fine, provided you actually -have- a constitution, and the seperations of power remain seperate and active'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a constitutional anything isn't going to be fine without a strong democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and as long as the monarch doesn't quit doing her job, and the judiciary doesn't give up independance and become poodles of the government'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it require strong both, and USA is losing strength in both'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... states rise and fall with the attitudes of the upper classes...'
T3/r7/2012-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Everything I said has came true! Everything we've done has been right!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gallup: R50% O46%'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Indeed. However Rassmussen has O up by 2 in swing state tracker, down 2 overall'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ultimately it comes down to those swing states.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Still, we could have a situation where the popular vote goes one way and the EC goes the other.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Battery maker with $249 mil in taxpayer cash goes bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, how ragebot do you think the dems would get if it turns out Obama won the popular and Romney won the EC?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'twice in a decade and a half.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently black communities are threatening riots if obama loses'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they threaten riots for just about everything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they riot when some guy gets shot, they riot when some guy doesn't get shot, they riot when their team loses, they riot when their team loses...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama: 'We got back every dime of bailout'. CBO: Bailout will lose $24bn'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Possibly Obama meant some specific bailout'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Large foreign investors are shunning France'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Tigernuts is our world news ticker'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the battery-maker CEOs get bonuses before they declared bannkruptcy'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold at $1748 as stockmarkets and currency rallies at the fake economy figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'look'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'lol, mistell'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what am I looking at?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Gold is going to skyrocket when these economies all tumble'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Honestly, the biggest argument in my mind against Obama is this: In 2016 we'll have 22 trillion in debt. That's enough for any creditor to say enough. Game over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably be $1800 by xmas'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'With Romney, at least he's talking about debt reduction - don't hear that from Dems, only all this vision stuff but no idea how to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'All the dems say is what Bill Clinton says, some math that doesn't really add up. My math is this: 16tril - 10tril = 6tril. QED.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think either party really has a clue'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Probably Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney debt reduction is going to beggar the USA populace except for the extremely rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They'll both go to the edge and then do a last ditch effort to pull back.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do better to vote for Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, problem is you can't just eliminate the entitlement spending without riots. Too much socialism from the 1960s (perhaps earlier) to today. Bad outlook as a consequence... sigh'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its a real downer! Now, lets talk about something cheerful. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's hard for you, it's impossible for us in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/3 of our national budget is spent on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I know. I heard Scotland is leaving the UK today in the WSJ'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'WSJ said both parties think it will happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning a referendum on it in 2015'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the polls are currently against separation but 4 years is a long time'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, it is. Not sure how Scotland would fare on its own.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with the mainstream people who claim they'd struggle seperately, i think they'd do well, they've got low population density and a shit ton of natural resources'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But I think the Enlglish pound would still be used, so effectively the UK would still control their economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What would the benefit be?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self rule?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wait a bit while I laugh :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get to set their own tax and spending policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think its history. Scots not wanting to be ruled by the English?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they try that under that Wallace guy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland was independent except for the last 300 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, 1706'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In practice, taxes and rules would have to be almost the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'unless there's some hidden demographic difference I'm not aware of'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll probably be a more socialist country, but backed by a lot of natural resource wealth'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be more like scandinavian countries than the uK'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vhere are the nuclear missle silos in the UK, scotland or england'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Wonder if they'd have to change the union jack - it has the scottish flag in it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'scottland was genocided by a national hero of rome who has a statue there today, called septimus severus'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were independent up till around there'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but of course we'd need to see figures on Scottish taxes/spending adjusted for offshore income and military guesstimates'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the estimates totally underestimate water power and water supply + bio energy potential'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the estimates that are out there only take into consideration existing oil/gas resources in teh north sea'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They dont need any real kind of military presence, the world is at peace now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those estimates put scotland about where it is already, not really any worse or better off'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'however, afaik, Scotland spends a bit more per capita than the rest of the UK, even after adjusting for higher amount of taxes sourced there, so any significant overall tax reduction would have to accompany cuts in spending (or new debt/money printing by scottish central bank)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd just start charging for water'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'taxes are taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could sort it without too much of a hit, it'd be a socialist paradise, so i'd hate it, but it could be made to work'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while they don't have the taxation power, they're not lumbered with the same scale of problems the rest of the UK faces'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Peace in our time" sentiment, November, perhaps you admire Neville Chamberlin'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first job would be for the UK to leave the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there'll never be peace, as long as each nation lets the scum of their school bully success stories run their lives'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA will always choose the right route.... usually after exhausting all the wrong ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being a two faced serpent is how you win in the world'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'honesty only takes you as far as against the interests of all the powerful people'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I was told that the USA should reduce all military spending to be one $0.01 over the UK spending by some on this MUD. Not a policy I think that makes sense, but its a policy that would work in a world peace scenario.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I guess world peace is here, if we just keep saying it is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we tried that prior to each world war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that how government forces everyone to believe their lies, Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We're trying it now too Hanslanda, its called sequestration.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But hey, like I said - lets just keep a happy face on it. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This is too depressing. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bright sides? Washington state is looking to legalise pot'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Whats wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said it was a bright side'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hey, I'm a states-rights kind of guy. If thats how they want to roll it there, go for it (pun not intended)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh OK ... good ! :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you watch the feds try and overrule it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pot shouldn't have been made illegal in the first place, anymore than made in canada products actually made in filthy facilities in china'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was only made illegal because of DuPont and polyester'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Where in the US constitution does it say that the federal government has the right to stop a state from passing a social law involving only its citizens?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen as legalizing pot hippy liberal idiots, they agree with common sense on that'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It gives them the right to set up posts on Washington's borders to ensure it doesn't go into Idaho, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal government doesn't care about the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't have been made illegal if the pot economy made it a point to pay their fair share.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was made illegal because hemp was a competitor to polyester'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thanks to the predecessor of the UN, the law was copperplated world-wide'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The US constitution has ~7800 words in it, including the ammendments. A search yields no mention of marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC addiction is a bad disease -- and the second-hamd-smoke sidestream pollution is far more damaging than tobacco-pollution'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor would it, it was an extremely versatile plant to grow - George Washington grew it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade, nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cannabis has more tar content in it, smoking's not the only method of ingestion though, and people who smoke pot mostly will do so only occasionally, as opposed to one cigarette per hour'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that won't equal nothing like a forest fire or any other , mostly preventable, scenario'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to ban drugs based on harm, ban prescription medication like SSRi's and oyxcoden or whatever it is that they call hillybilly heroine'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ritalin too'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC causes psychological damage and mental damage'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does not'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Pot has no physical addictive propertie'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ch w'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC is addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aardwolf is addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been known to cause problems in people who have pre-existing psychotic conditions'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'THV has very low addiction potential'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THC is not chemically addictive, it's psychologically addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'THC even'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'depends on what you mean in addiction'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/19/is-marijuana-addictive-it-depends-how-you-define-addiction/'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'yeah tiger balance that against liquor why are we even talking about this '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wheat is addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, kark'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only mildly addictive, though..'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'television is addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sidestream damage from cannibis is (not merely the increased Tar but) the THC'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your face is more deadly'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more people has died through chocolate poisoning'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that some idiots believe that they are able to handle THC while lolling about indolently on welfare, is irelevant to the damage to highly tuned individuals that require a drug-free environment while doing potentially dangerous jobs'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue entirely'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i largely agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Colorado health officials to be fired if they refuse mandatory flu shots'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what type of homicidal insanity does mercury poisoning tend to cause '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lead poisoning in children often results in arson'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then look at how difficult it is to get any form of drugs anywhere in america or canada, you can probably find a village of 10 people who has one that sells drugs'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'keeping them illegal doesn't limit availability, but it does make sure only the most detrimental members of society are often in charge of distribution'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google allegedly manipulating search results to favour big brands over small businesses'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which gives them lots of money to reinvest into your legitimate society'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and cocaine and all that too, south american nations who stand to profit hundreds of billions of dollars per year from narcotics industry, were asking canada and america to rework prohibition with them'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'big brands are owned by companies with enough money to pay for better websites.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that it is a less lucrative business and less murder is caused by it, but canada and america were against that'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which tells me that south american nations were willing to sacrifice the 'greedy drug lord' revenues from those industries, if canada and america were to communicate about how illegal they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were trying to remove their value, which works contradictory to themselves if they want to get rich like that, which lots of them have been for decades'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lazy Chemosh is leaving out too much information to be coherent'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's an overview of conclusions from reading the news'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming ended 16 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq publishes a huge rise in birth defects'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the news could have put it together for you too if they were allowed to have an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'attributed to depleted uranium and other experimental weaponary'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an ambiguous synopsis in not a coherent overview'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't blame your inability to comprehend me on me, our minds must work on different frequencies'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wgich first world nations are responsible for polluting Iraq with depleted uranium'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you are too lazy (and lacking in english expression expertise) to be unambiguously coherent, concise, and accurate -- (likely the THC and alcohol)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not a very good foreign affairs image to have, being the reason why solutions to the mass-grave bridge hangings handless feetless headless torso found shot up schoolbusses and civilian casualties in south/central america'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are never attempted'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-usa, canada-'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade should require a license'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or failing that, should go get a superior analogue recording'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i failed both englishes, twice'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'once in highschool when i dropped out, and one in adult grade 12 courses when i questioned the use of the word holocaust in a story taught to the class, resulting in the class turning on me'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which told me that i can't express myself in any of the assignments they handed out'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and therefore i failed at english again'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Depleted Uranium yet contains up to 25% of the U235 found in in nondepleted Uranium - depleted Uranium is not exactly "depleted"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Zade, it's pretty dangerous stuff, it's use was banned even by the US military up until 1992'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then for whatever reason they decided troops were expendable'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1992 is when the Clinton administration started'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt there's a link'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using Depleted Uranium in munitions is a physical equivalent to (and or worse than) what the Christians call the Unforgivable Sin '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of armor do you need to stop depleted uranium bullets'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like those ones they shoot from those 50 calibre sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of that nanotech body armor from israel work/'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they said it's alot stronger than kevlar and lighter, so maybe layering it together could do it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how about if muslims were to use depleted uranium bullets (that exploded into a fine mist) in the USA in the rich neighbourhoods -- the property values there may plummet'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably costs alot if you don't make it yourself though'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'when does the debate start central time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or period, I can do the math.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's been going on for nigh over an hour, now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no it hasnt'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '9 P.M. Long Island time, apparently.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure it has.  Chemosh, Tigernuts, and Zade are like zording it up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll never chant the incantations of the muslims to please their demented idea of what god is'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when fired, the depleted uranium in munitions tends to explode into a mist that covers the local area'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those kinds anyways, some of them aren't as evil as 'those ones', like the gulag among the russians'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with their kgb high priests'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you implying the Russians are Muslims?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do realize that the Russians are Christian, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in siberia last year they tried to outlaw the extremist bagavad gita, and upanishads of hindu'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but we're speaking in general terms.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'you mean ALL russians are christians?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who are obviously a volatile people since they don't terrorize anybody'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then in bosnia and serbia, dagestan'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got alot of evil ones there, all kept in check by the russian soldiers who's bosses provide ammunition to the terrorist in the middle east, along with china and possibly sweden'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i read in the news'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'christians make up 46.5% of russians'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, using Chemosh Logic, all Christians are evil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hindu religion preaches false values'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then false values don't seem to hurt anybody, unlike allah's holy akhbarists'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Muslims =/= Terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but like i said, not all muslims are bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Terrorists = Extremists. Extremists exist in all religions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the ones who aren't should take it upon themselves to uproot the ones who are from themselves, to prevent this shit in the world today'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet, you just said that you refuse to bow down to Muslims by "speaking their whatevers". Instead of saying "I refuse to bow down to TERRORISTS".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Extremists exist in all organisations'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was inclusive of muslims in general, not to join their religion and chantings because of the ones among them who are the devil'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "I refuse to bow down to niggers, and by that I mean the black people who are criminal".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking they're god'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any organisation or philosophy that has more than 1 non-identical followers will have extremists'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have to adhere to peaceful islam religion or the devil worshipper islams'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then you refuse to join teh Christians in their chanting? Or any religion, really?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i ever choose islam as my religion it's by choice, not by supplication to their good nature'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because pretty much all major religions have evil zealots in their ranks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even the minor ones do :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that won't happen, so you're labelling me is bullshit, because you make what i say mean what you want it to mean'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, there are evil people who are atheists or of no particular religion. it cuts across -- it's not a proper subset.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslims are terrorists when they go violent because of cartoons depicting MohamMad'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it's because what you say if BULLSHIT and you're now BACKTRACKING to justify yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That or you're really terrible at expressing yourself and conveying what you truly mean.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know how many people go to church for social status?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'millions upon millions of them do just that'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with the odd one having a real interest in religion'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're trying to call me a heretic for not adhering to doing that for any reasons'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What religion do you describe you, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I'm not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i already said what i mean if you can't see it then you must be on the same frequency as zade there'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just claimed that I'm calling you a heretic, you fuckwit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf is with the personal attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have a religion, i was baptised anglican before i can remember and lived a nonreligious life'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"describe" =/= "ascribe"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go take your meds. Your lack of meds are interfering with your ability to comprehend basic English.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're irreligious?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'religiously so'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry about Yuna's trolling, he's just savage because his deity Obama is taking a pasting in the polls'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's worried he'll lose his welfare check....'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "Taking a pasting" you mean "It's a dead race". And if by "Yuna will lose his welfare check" you mean "Yuna has never in his life applied for a single welfare check and he doesn't fucking live in the U.S.".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You see, some of us aren't selfish pricks who only fight for what they themselves want, but for what they think is fair for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'd do better to stop puffing out your chest to anybody who disagrees with you. Few people like self-righteous bullies like you'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's rich, coming from you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you weren't so vile to everyone, you'd get called a cunt a lot less'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you haven't noticed but I'm only ever vile to you and Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are vile to just about everyone'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I've only started being actually vile towards Chemosh today. There's your clue.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just hate the two of you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that DosseT guy, but he's crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  Not only are we on the internet, but we're in a space where such language is allowed if not encouraged.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't hate you, Yuna, pity you maybe, pity the people who have to be around you, but not hate you'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 3 people I am vile to on Debate: Chemosh, who's certifiably insane, Tigernuts, for self-evident reasons and DosseT, who keeps demanding we disprove his crazy conspiracy theories and declares himself winner when we tell him it's not proper debating etiquette to put forth a claim, provide no evidence and then demand the opposition prove him wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'night folks, don't let the troll bite'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, in Tigernuts' mind, Chemosh, Tigernuts and DoessT are the ONLY people on Debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oo presidential debate tonight, gonna have to turn this shit off'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Romney's attack ******* LACERATES ******** Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean the "attack" that consists almost entirely of lies and misconstruction of the truth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'how's the debate going so far?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'awesome man'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney lies. Obama finally starts calling him a liar to his face.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Without using the word "liar")'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how..political!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'who does the crowd seem to be favoring?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'nobody really, oddly'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not the WWE. The spectators aren't allowed to clap.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romney needs to lie more, then!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or make any noises, really.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could probably pass Yuna and Tiger off as candidates and still have a decent approximation of reality.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they are chuckling now'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol. Romney just got caught not knowing the rules of the debate and got smacked down by the moderator.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'mitt romney can't possibly be that much of a liar'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Too bad she then caved to him lying some more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'truth and debates, hah! that doesn thappen in this county. Its about style, presentation'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'vote for me and I'll get cheap good from china while preventing them from outcompeting us, prevent inflation while restoring the economy, cut taxes while eliminating the deficit, and also, cut spending without actually reducing any of the programs you love!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Odiji: 'This debate's startin' to get heated now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip rapidly nods twice at Odiji, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still waiting for ANY specifics from Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHY hasn't anyone demanded he tells us about his tax plan in detail?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(In the debates)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Odiji: 'Still wondering what the 5 points are tbh'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think Romney needs to trim his nails'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney was just about specifics about his tax plan and how he plans on accomplishing it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the dems are scared shitless that he might actually have something that looks like it works.  Given the polling, it's worst-case-scenario if the votes get behind him on economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His answer? 4 minutes of "I want to do this and that. And Obama has failed on this and that." without giving any specifics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except the old talking point "I'm gonna get rid of loopholes for the rich". Yeah. The plan that all economists are condemning as impossible...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hanslanda, if he has anything that works, WHY hasn't he presented it yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'doesn't Obama say the same thing? getting rid of loopholes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because he's scared shitless too (much the same reasons, but going the other way).  Why kill off your winning streak?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... now he's even saying that he'll reduce taxes for the middle class?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's new. And even MORE impossible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'personally, I'd love it if Romney offered some specifics/ substance of a plan that would actually work... I just want a leader who knows how to run a country, but unfortunately so far Romney has offered absolutely nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I dunno, Romney appeared to run Mass. pretty well'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what's Obama run well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'he's run the debt up well...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, he wants to get rid of capital gains taxation, so that the middle class will benefit (slightly) and the rich get lots of money back. And then somehow balance the budget'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Flip, but he's not running to be President on the policies he used in Massachussets.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, he's running on the DIRECT OPPOSITE policies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why Massachussets is set to vote OVERWHELMINGLY for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney's OWN STATE is voting for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how do you know what he's going to do as president? as president you surround yourself with people who are experts on shit. you decide hardly anything as the president'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'yeah I'm sure that the 1990s are back.. we are about to have the internet 2 happen eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'you sign your name here'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because of what he's told us in interviews and debates, FLip?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either he's fucking lying to us or he's running on bullshit policies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's only those two options.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok so why didn't you do it already?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, pick your poison. Someone running on bad policies or a baldfaced liar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Don't be so harsh on Obama, Yuna, I'm sure he's trying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and has those details somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Baldfaced lies. Same as Obama. Welcome to politics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'You can't be such a naive child that you believe everything Obama is saying. If so, I have a bridge to sell you'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I'm not sure massachusetts was run too well under Romney, I'm looking at an article that says Mass. was 47th in job growth when Romney left office'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually I think this format is working out really well. Its really getting to the american people ... we may end up the winners here'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama doesn't lie nearly as much as Romney. And Romney has ONLY lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so I switched candidate names, I can't say I have seen a detailed Obama plan either'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney is running on Tricle Down Economics, which hasn't worked, EVER.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'trickle*'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'it is the natural tendency for weath to gather at the top, as those with money have more power to earn more money'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Running on Trickle Down Economics is rich for someone who ran a company that outsources a bajillion jobs to China during years where Bush employed Trickle Down Economics policies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'so it's more like a trickle up policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I want to do this and that. I just can't tell you how I'm going to be able to finance it, though."'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Red is a better tie color for obama. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'just like we had to pass obamacare to find out what was in it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'tell ya what Yuna, you vote for Obama, that's where you want your tax dollars to go (if you pay taxes). I've seen what my tax dollars have done, pissed away in clean energy companies going bankrupt, blown on stimulus packages that didn't do shit, and added to the debt my kids are going to have to pay for. Stimulus packages, which by the way, have never worked. That's your buddy. I (and probably 53% of America) are going to vote for Elmer Fudd if he runs, just for some CHANGE'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Romney's not perfect, never claimed he was'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stimulus packages that doesn't do shit? The fuck are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'really don't care if he is or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not even Romney has the gall to claim what you just claimed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'where'd it get us?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'clean energy companies have gone bankrupt at a lower rate  than the average company'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what solution did it provide?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no help for you. You've swallowed Romney's 47% argument. It's funny how every single Mittens supporter on Aardwolf always accuses anyone who supports Obama of being a 47%.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I have no  idea how this clean energy company misinformation has spread so '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Stimulus packages, which by the way, have never worked." This is why I wish voters knew more econs'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have never, not even once, in my life, applied for social security.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I'm not talking about all companies. I'm talking about companies my tax dollars went to to try to keep them from going backrupt'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama has the biden laugh / sneer going on!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'that went backrupt anyways'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some of us support Obama/Biden because they're the superior candidates, not because we want to mooch off the government.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies go bankrupt... It wouldn't be the free market if you won 100% of the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK do you know which companies your tax dollars went to?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'do you watch the news?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claimed Obama's stimilus packages didn't do shit. Now it's "I just meant the specific companies my own tax dollars went to".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is General Motors bankrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No, unfortunately not'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'where the hell did that come from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, then the Stimulus DID shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we never took risks with capital, we wouldn't even have reached the stone age...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Auto bankruptcies would have allowed a proper reset'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'same as for banks, now they get to waddle along until something else tips them over'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'welcome to the free market'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it might be a reset in korea, japan, and china...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'GM is leading the charge to monitor your driving habits, Big Brother-style.  If Big Auto has their way, just driving around in your care could potentially raise your tax bracket.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not even Romney's using the "The Stimulus Packages didn't do anything" argument because even THEY realize what ablatanlt lie that is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'uh, economics major here. Anybody else who has taken economics should know that by definition, government spending is a part of GDP, and since lowering interest rates is impossible at this point (they are essentially zero), fiscal stimulus is the only way to increase GDP'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'where did it get us Yuna, for the 100th time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not the question!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Pretty sure I added a question mark there'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU, Flip, claimed that the Stimulus Packages didn't do anything. They DID. You're LYING. Go AWAY.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In the case of the auto bailouts, the problem is that generally a managed bankruptcy and new contracts/owners is generally better than the kind of gov't run bailout Obama did'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'good facts Yuna, you're on a roll'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there is a case to be made that if you were able to raise future inflation expectations, monetary stimulus can still work. But it's of course going to be much less effective than fiscal...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no, a mass bankruptcy would crush the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Last time I checked, GM still had higher costs than any other car mfg. on the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'you sound just like Obama ;)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't an auto bailout.  That was a cover to install government-friendly minions to help them incrementally get what they want.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Hanslanda's question.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why aren't we talking about women's reproductive issues yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because they don't matter.  Old white/nearly-white guys with lots of old money, remember?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So in my best judgement, the auto bailouts did _something_ and that something was _worse_ than a bankruptcy, so Obama only gets bonus points for trying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'they didn't go bankrupt? I thought bankruptcy was part of that deal?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The FUCK is wrong with Mittens?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not 100% on taht though'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'it's really simple. Businesses going bankrupt means less production, less labor, and a gaping hole in the auto market in the case of failure to bail out the auto industry. Detroit would become () a place of desolation and crime'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did he just argue that flex time HAS to be implemented because the woman's place is still to be the homemaker?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you legislate that it's illegal to pay women less than men and to give men the incentive to be the one to stay at home with kids instead of the women?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The thing is, "bankruptcy" doesn't mean "all the factories get shut down and rust forever", it means "all equity is lost, current contracts voided, new owners take over and keep things going"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what the FUCK does it matter to a single woman without kids if women are still predominantly the ones who stay at home/go home to take care of with the kids?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he played up to the inherent tendencies of moms to look out for their kids.  Moms tend to act first, Dads are really the backup plan.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'right, there's different chapters and such'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A single woman without kids should NOT have to suffer being paid less because it's still mainly women who go home to stay with the kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'perhaps not, but it does mean massive layoffs and a huge reduction in capital and capacity to produce'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Saric.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lololololol'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's talking about abortion and contraception.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but bulldozing detroit and relocating the inhabitants to concentration camps in the north east after war breaks out in the devastated slums would have been a great stimulus!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So, you have a choice between (a) creating a subsidized industry or (b) massive layoffs etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Way to go Obama! Shoe-horn those issues in there! Destroy Mittens!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Dude, the pill costs $9 a month .. less than two beers at a bar. I think they can afford it. $9 x 12 = 108 a year.. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In the long run, a country aiming for (a)-type solutions is going to fall way behind a country aiming for (b)-type solutions, since, well, command economies don't work much'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's not just talking about pills. He's talking about other things as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Birth control is but a SMALL PART of contraception.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'literally, small part'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had just applied sufficient stimulus to raise aggregate demand to normal levels, the debt would've been lower, ironically. sigh'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously.  How many working women do you know who want to just hand off everything to a guy (loved and trusted though he may be) while she's out slaving away for the paycheck?  Mom WANTS to be a part of her kids' lives.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'excellent question'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Shoo, heathens! The gov't is best at raising your kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know many women who want EQUAL responsibility when it comes to the kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, my question remains: Why the FUCK should women WITHOUT kids have to suffer for any of that?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because they have titties and babychutes, too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some/many women prefer to be the stay-at-home parent or the parent who goes home to take care of the kids as soon as working hours are over... ergo ALL women should be paid less than men for equal work?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a war, not every soldier gets the chance to fight the other side.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's the logic there?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we guys have a name for it, it's called the honey-do list.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Amusingly, in Norway, recent studies found out that after adjusting for all sorts of things (except for the risk of losing your job), men made about 1% more than women.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No attempts were set to estimate the value of job safety.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mittens' logic is flawless: The deficit is all Obama's fault. The bad economy had nothing to do with it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, that's Norway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hah, I forget, it was 2 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Nordic Countries are the best in the world at gender-neutral everything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but pretty much killed the equal wages debate in Norway'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But what the heck are these mitigating circumstances?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'And it's been reported that single 20-something women are making more than single 20-something men. http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47885723#47885723'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some kind of hack-job arguments, such as "Women live longer than men, so they have more time to work for money!"? "Women graduate earlier/faster, so they have more time to work for money"? Women don't have to spend money on X, Y, Z?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've got to correct for education...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not watching that video while watching the debate. But the description says that recent female college graduates make more than recent male college graduates.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No mention of if it's for equal work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So WHO CARES if they are generally able to get BETTER jobs than men?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for instance, asians make more than whites in the US, but if you correct for education, they make quite a bit less on average.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not the issue. The issue is that they make less for EQUAL work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'You're arguing against a video you didn't watch based on a single sentence summary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm making a perfectly valid assumption based on what I know about the world.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'If women were seriously getting paid that much less for equal work, why don't companies stack women, spend 70% on their payroll, and laugh all the way to the bank?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'asians have a far better education ethic than whities do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women in the U.S. still make less than men, no matter at what age.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they make up for it in child support and alemony'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and better benefits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tharnin, because that's actually against the law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Child Support and alimony exists BECAUSE there's a difference in wages between the sexes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so cant change one and not the other'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely a flawed argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, not child support. But alimony.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whenever the woman makes more than the man, SHE is the one who has to pay for alimony. Shocker, I know!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not an arguement, but women have more of an entitled attitude than men do'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the difference, even if it were to exist, does not even approach 10%, much less the often 50% that can be taken from the dad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then, Modi, how there are currently, what, 3 men on this channel debating how men making more than woman is perfectly justifiable?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no such thing as a father paying 50% of his wages in alimony and/or child support.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'sure there is'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boy are you amusingly naive.  I've got a whole factory of such workers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Find me some cases where this is happening. If it happens so often, this should be easy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'll have my buddy call you right now'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, funny how you just ASSUME that the woman always gets custody.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I lived through two such cases myself, and because of the closeness of adjacent relationships I directly saw the results of six more.  According to the experts, I'm textbook normal in this regard.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fucking experts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you lived through TWO cases where you had to pay alimony and/or child support?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you marry and divorce twice? And/or lose custody twice?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wasn't paying attention at the time, but they were championing waves of deadbeat-dad legislation and related divorce/custody policy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, I was the spoils.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, such a NYC accent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK do illegal immigrants "take [the] place" of people waiting in line to immigrate legally?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He did NOT have a super majority in both houses!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh hey, Romney blatantly lies to your FACE again!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when illegal immigration stops becoming taboo, they can affect the census counts.  We DO actually have immigration quotas and maximums in place, so if the numbers are saying we're full up then too bad for you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeees, remind the voters about how McCain beat you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: '?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney just joked about how 4 years ago, he was licking his wounds after being beaten by McCain.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'haha'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama didn't bring up Mittens' off-score accounts. He did so on his own!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'off-shore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'i watched an old debate with Alan Keyes and Obama.  Man, I love AK.  I'd vote for him in a sec if he was running.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is Mittens just willfully sabotaging himself now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama has just as many as Mitt.  Rich people know how to handle their money, they run for office to learn how to handle other peoples' money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama pays more in taxes than Romney...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'more % prob'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I sincerely doubt that.  Rich people don't pay shit when they don't have to.  They just don't have that kind of moral fiber.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'well his tax returns have been released to the public'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Nobody pays shit when they don't have to'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'same as poor people, you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'since when is being rich bad? my goodness.  I would never vote for a middle class prez'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Roninleader nods at Flip.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'why, since when is being middle class bad?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tax rates for 2011: Obama: 23.37%, Mitt Romney: 15.4%'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'which tax rate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well romney donated 30% to charity supposedly, tax deductable'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Overall.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how is that tax rate broken down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Interestingly, Romney ONLY had to pay 15.4% because he didn't take advantage of as many tax breaks and loop holes as he could.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'the US is one of the most sophisticated businesses in the world.  I would only want someone with proven qualifications'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND, he can retroactively take advantage of them once the election is over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yeah, in the mormon religion it's pretty much a requirement that you give at least 10% to charity, and the rich are pressured to give more'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This AFTER the fact that he stated in an interview that he'd be an idiot unfit for office if he didn't take advantage of as many tax breaks and loopholes as possible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'I find it amusing the Obama always points to MA as a model for the US. XD '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually hotwired into their DNA.  Rich people who aren't charitably-minded don't actually stay rich for long.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, what he's saying is that Mittens is not running on the same policies as when he governed (he still is, technically) MA.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how many of Obama's policies are in place in MA, put in place by Mittens, yet Mittens is now fighting those same policies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for some reason, being stingier makes them sick.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surely you mean "Rich people who aren't charitably-minded don't actually stay *alive* for long."!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Obama did not start by apoligizing. 2) What the FUCK did Obama's policies in the Middle East have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they get sick and die, they aren't murdered or run out of town.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'this is a much better debate than the last one though'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never understood that idiotic argument. So... if Obama had ruled the Middle East with fear, there wouldn't have been an attack on the Benghazi embassy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those terrorists would've attacked no matter what.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'they aren't saying ruled with fear. they're saying putting deterrants in place, like we always do'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'which does prevent them. terrorists generally take the path of least resistance'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, eventually the rich as a class gets greedier and more powerful, until they get murdered by their former slaves/serfs/peasants in a violent orgy that installs a murderous radical government that wrecks the country and leaves it far behind their rivals for generations'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what deterrents would that be? Placing tons of soldiers in every country in the Middle East.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a mideastern cultural thing.  They DO play by a might-makes-right rule, kind of like a ramped up hispanic machismo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so basically, moreorless like a goblin or kobold, if they get it in their heads that you're bluffing or otherwise can't deliver they get proportionally braver and bolder.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wow, Mittens is really desperate, obsessing over "terrorist attack" vs. "demonstration".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'sweet'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Obama is killin it'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the FUCK are people not rioting over the Republicans' war on voters who don't vote for them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Isn't the Benghazi argument something like (1) there were good reasons to have better security at the time, (2) WH peeps said they had no reason to improve security and the attacks were caused by some old movie no one had heard about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not only are they instituting expensive and cumbersome voter ID laws that cost both the states and voters tons of money, now they want to limit early voting because minorities vote a lot during those opportunities and we can't have that, because minorities favour the Democrats over the Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know why some people want to vote on the fucking weekend? Because they have JOBS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because rioting is dumb.  And, really, it should be reserved for sporting events or when scared white guys defend themselves and get away with it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the administration's early version was that there was an ongoing demonstration and some extremists decided to attack the consulate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should also abolish drivers licenses and photo ids, too.  Just because you have a piece of paper with a name and social security number on it should be good enough.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I never really saw the point of voter registration'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, wait, that's a voter identification system, can't have that!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic . o O ( Someone is WRONG on the internet. )
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grumpy Old Oladon: 'That doesn't happen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you should look through history, Tinada.  There's several cases where people unaffected/unrelated to a particular vote were the deciding factor in said vote.  It would be very wrong if China shipped in a 20%-sized bloc of Chinese citizens to the US to ensure that their pocket politician with all the sweet deals got into office.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trickle Down Economics has NEVER WORKED.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and about the embassy security... try googling "embassy security funding"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Midwest just after the Civil War was particularly known for such shenanigans, and one famous instance had Kansas natives deciding the outcome of a Missouri state vote..'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mittens' solution to companies outsourcing jobs is apparently to go to economic war with China on day 1.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'The 7-11 cup contest has accurately predicted the election since 2000 within 1%. A sample size of over 10 million has already given a 60-40 lead to Obama in this election. So the election is over anyway. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Mittens. It's not like there aren't tons of OTHER South-East Asian countries companies can set up sweatshops in!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ObamaCare requires businesses to provide their employees with health insurance. How EVIL of them!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only those business not included in the exemption list.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what does Obamacare do to the cost of employment?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'speaking of job costs'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'drastically increases it.  More healthcare means more cost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'oh. well shit, if I was a business man I'd go where it was cheaper too. makes sense to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and since insurance companies can't deny you coverage on the basis of your health anymore (ie, pre-existing conditions), it means a fuckton of really sick people are going to spend more of the insurance pool all your premiums go into.  The smaller that pool gets, the higher the premiums go up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if Obamacare targets that, well, healthcare quality and/or availability goes down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so parts of Obamacare should be repealed'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny then how none of those doomsday scenarios have occurred in ANY of the countries that currently have socialized medicine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they really should hire the doctors directly...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Vote for me, 'cause I'm Christian (never mind that I'm the wrong kind of Christian)!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'These people you speak of that dont' have insurance, its not like we dont pay for them anyway, its just that we pay for them when their disease is progressed and its tons more expensive'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Preventative care is MUCH cheaper than actual care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your Messiah pisses out of the same dick my Messiah does.  There's really no wrong kind of Christian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What I meant was, usually you will have laws restricting voting rights to citizens, possibly non-citizens who have been living in the country for some time, some criminals may be excluded etc. What good is achieved by adding a vote specific registration to that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you KNOW what the Mormons believe in, Hanslanda?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Plenty of Christian denominations look down on the Mormons because their beliefs differ so greatly from the other major Christian denominations.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I know.  I'm practically one myself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their hope is that if they keep hammering the point that healthcare costs lots of money, it will become acceptable for americans to put down their aged parents.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the very reason why Romney has minimized the role of religion in this election cycle. He practically NEVER mentions his faith.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you seem unaware of the Baptists.  They're like a christian sect of the Muslim Brotherhood.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I care about a cult?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They exist, big whoop. And?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, normal christians believe that god is actually a god, an all-powerful being'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why get so worked up over Mormonism?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't believe in an all-powerful god, is it really god?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so do the Mormons'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, trickle down economics "works", but if your goal is to put money in everyone's pockets it's terribly inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, they believe that a god is finite, that it is one of many, and regular people can become gods themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an attractive religion, no doubt...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who doesn't want to be a god?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those concepts are difficult to reconcile with Bible texts, but should hardly be relevant for the election'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they do not.  God is Ultimate.  Nobody gets to be on the same tier as God.  That doesn't mean that anyone not God is on equal footing with everyone else.  They've got a whole heirarchy of power ranging all the way from God on down to the ruler of the smallest speck of dust, and where you fall in that heirarchy is defined heavily by what you kick to the church and how well you lived the Mormon life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the key difference between Mormons and everyone else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'People that believe in God are dumb and people that don't believe in God are smart. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or you could say that the key difference is they have two extra books which they base their doctrines on :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'why is that Zaane?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it cost you nothing to believe, so why not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Apparently I'm dumb. Oh well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Zaane doesn't realize that it's impossible to utterly not believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Cause' if everybody got together every Sunday to feed the hungry or heal the sick instead of sitting in a room praising an idea, then the world would be fixed. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think its dumb not to believe, but i agree its dumb to assume youre right'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Also, you cannot tell me what I believe, To do so is impossible and arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grumpy Old Oladon: 'Ah, but it does cost something.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'So there is no such thing as tithes anymore? Sorry I am out of the loop.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grumpy Old Oladon: 'Costs nothing to say you believe -- to truly believe it, though, costs a good deal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'buuusy!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'blah blah blah, you can jumble all kinds of poems and scriptures together to prove to yourself that God exists and if that puts a smile on your face as you fall asleep, then more power to you. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis, and I should go to sleep..'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mormons tithe.  10% annual income is the minimum, with anything more than that buying you church access (under a certain amount, you don't even get to step foot in some temples) and afterlife position.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'God is a crutch to spread the blame of your existence around, is all'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find that odd :) Not that I disagree about God being a crutch... But, there are only 3 people that can be blamed for your existence, your parents and you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Hey I have no problem if you believe in God and it is a large part of your life, but just know that I think you are less intelligent and weaker than someone that has a smaller part of his life dedicated to God'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Why do you think so Zaane?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Because, quite frankly, there are better ways to spend your time. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you are the judge of that :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...and your mind share'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you called Oladon arrogant...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Hey, you don't have to agree with me. It is just my opinion. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Such as? I mean prayer has a great powerful impact on people who pray a lot, usually for the better.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It brings meaning and wisdom to life, as you seek answers to lifes tough questions'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Yes, weaker people need constant reinforcement, so that makes sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'to countless millions'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I see, so someone who has a wife in the hospital and doctors telling him that there's no hope... they're weak for calling out to God for help?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, with all due to your republican mindset, November... using quantifiers is a fallacious justification.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Instead they should go read Norm Chomsky or Saul Alinsky instead'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I have a PHD and I work in an engineering research position. Thinking about God would distract me from Life's tough questions. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Some day, Zaane you may be where those countless millions (billions) have been, you'll understand then I hope.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Noam Chomsky is a sell out. He, in fact, supports the status quo though he hides it behind obtuse prose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's your denial talking, Zaane.  Nobody is able to simply not believe, you would literally go insane because your brain couldn't allow you to leave something unexplained.  This is why folk who believe in religion less always go for science or some other mundane alternative (ie, aliens).'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont understand why athiests dont just kill themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because their is nothing else after life Modi, so they want to hang on to it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because they have just as much fervency in their beliefs as the "religious nutters" do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Modi - because life is >0, whereas an atheist believes death to be 0 (or null, as the case may be)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'atheists don't need martyrs, Modi. Those who believe in God do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not at all true, Ana.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Your opinions are all noted: if my wife was ill i would seek solutions that the doctor may not have thought of, Also just because I don't believe in God does not mean a cold beer does not taste good. Suicide is for the very weakest'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What I don't get is why people who are convinced heaven is waiting for them don't put themselves in dangerous situations all the time - sidestep the suicide rule, get into heaven sooner'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop confusing "Atheist" with "Irreligious".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why do you think so many religious nuts were willing to go to war?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'good point Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(and are)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i guess its the human condition'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grumpy Old Oladon: 'Vakieh: if you honestly wonder that, I'd be happy to discuss it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Historically, those who have died in battle defending their religious beliefs are called heroes. What about those on their side who have died defending their non-religious beliefs? Why aren't they also heroes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Believe me when you get to that point Zaane, seeking out more doctors when you are down to straws of hope - its not the course you take. You pray, hard. And that's just how billions have done it and found (at the very least) solace in it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'for the record I am a *#)#!&ist, don't look it up cause I invented it and only I can follow it. It is basically the golden rule. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It sounds like a smart move to me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna, the distinction is pointless semantics'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No it's not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheists do not believe in a Deity. The irreligious have no religion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Far better to discuss the atheist/agnostic matrix'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the point of a religion is to live by the rules.  Failure to leave by the rules means you don't get the reward, and part of that reward comes in the form of earthly experience.  People don't suicide because, well, they might miss out on something.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Buddhists are, in fact, Atheists.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But they are NOT irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we hang on for the people who care about us , yea?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yuna - the literal definition means that - practically speaking, nobody gives a shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's entirely the "someone on the internet is wrong!" spiel, except applied directly to real life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So, you are saying that a non-religious person, specifically an atheist, is by definition an immoral person. You must believe in God to be good to your neighbor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'confucianism: quit hoping for a powerful deity(ies) to get you out of holes and just climb up on your own already!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'My point is that both religious and non-religious people are good people, its just that religious people could be spending their time more productively... like aardwolf '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'dexx is god'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'from looking at history, the religious faction has caused more grief to humanity than those who haven't believed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a pointlessly selective scan of history.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I apologize to the heroic Crusaders, I also apologize to the heroic enforcers of the Inquisition. What was I thinking.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, really.  You're lumping in several political movements that used religion as a cover (bait?) into the truly-religious bloc, and completely ignoring points when the roles were reversed (ie, when science ruled over religion).'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Religion acts as a multiplier on human nature, because religion propagates actions over large groups.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'The truth is that religions will die out in time as more and more generations realize there are better things to do, as it is already happening. So these arguments are of historical significance if anything at all (way to waste time between quests)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So instead of 1 person donating, 1000 people donate. Instead of 1 person maiming and killing, 1000...etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so now the Crusades and the Inquisition are political movements, that's a good one :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be the selective part I mentioned.  The whole of religious/non-religious conflict does not begin to be contained by merely the Crusades nor the Inquisition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Interestingly enough, most religion has been under the complete control and use of political figures for thousands of years - Christianity could be better known as the 'Manufacturer of Divine Right', and the Bible is 'How to keep the serfs in line 101''
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be like judging the entire Aardwolf playerbase by the actions of "butthurt Zibest" (as opposed to how Zibest acted before bumping heads with Lasher)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hanslanda - there is NOTHING like religion when it comes to motivating people to risk their life for a leader.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people generally won't give you their lives to throw at your enemies unless they are promised 42 virgins/heaven/eternal life/whatever'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well... The Crusades caused the death of millions and the Inquisition the deaths of thousands... Your mud compression would come more closely to someone burning a cross on a Church's front yard. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or fame, fortune, or "a chance to make a difference in the world"'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'comparasion*'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and yet the comparisons are proportionally identical.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'It is true that atheists have caused grief, but they motivation were naked greed, not greed disguised as religious fervor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're talking net effect here - religion has good and bad effects, but the net is negative.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as a panacea, religion is great, beyond that it sucks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Atheist get a lot of flack because people that can't NOT believe in God think they are crazy, when in actuality it is just that the Atheists are on a different plabe of thought. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'plane'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no, you said plabe!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even close, Zaane.  Everyone's in the same village, staring at the same elephant.  They are simply focused on different parts of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, in many places, atheism is the norm and theist are considered weird.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'tomato tomato'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'religion isn't going away though... only the best can hold to their morals without believing that some great being will smack them if they get out of line'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point most ignored is that religious institutions are just that, institutions, which use "faith" as the excuse to advance their causes. Causes which usually end up filling their coffers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'basically, Science = Religion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'internal motivation is hard'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Science does not equal religion, unless you can pull up a test for God?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi . o O ( god is falsifiable? )
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, science can be thought of a religion, within the precise meaning of "religion".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm wondering why both Obama and Romney spent so much ad money on DC. I know its near Virginia, maybe thats why? http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/debates/second-presidential-debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is about questions - religion hands unproven, untestable, unevidenced answers, science hands something quite the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people infer gods and other constructs when they hear the word "religion", but that is quite a narrow interpretation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'DC is about as much in the Obama tank and Texas is in Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can, actually.  God can do anything, which is the essential core of belief.  What can Science do?  Currently, we can definitively say it can do this, this, and that based on a particular set of rules, but we never rule out that the set of rules can change (ie, expand to make more things possible).'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hanslanda, so can mages and witches. So why not worship them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always the hope and the drive for the next big breakthrough.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Wow, I can't believe Obama spent $215 million so far on ads.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think they are not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mages and witches are as real as god, it would take the same type of proof to make them real :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Celtic belief, after all, is basically centered around such things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as is the Wiccan ethos.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ancient religions dealt with the real, earth, wind, fire, and water. Their mysticism was centered around the possible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Lol, the Libya question is imploding on Obama now. WOAH! someone said BULLSHIT on FNC on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not worship me? Or anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I thought shit was a word they dont use on cable news'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Anaristos can grant you eternal life! Just don't ask me to prove it...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its 8pm west coast.......'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the contradiction is too obvious.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and who was it that cut embassy security funding, I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Libya question? Are you dense enough to blame him for the what happened in Libya? Are you so dense that you haven't asked yourself why were to mercs targeted for assassinations?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '2 mercs*'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Anaristos, remember ... debates are not about facts. Presentation, style, the way you come off.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'presidential debates that is'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I ate a banana and it had a big bruise on it and I could not eat that part. I blame it on Obama's foreign policy. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one party has been consistently trying to wreck the country to make the incumbent look bad. If you want those guys to make your decisions, well...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No one believes a politician tells the truth heh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, obviously you think style is worth more than substance. You rather vote for a better speaker, even if he speaks lies, rather than vote for someone who stutters the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, maybe Chris Christie.. but ... nah not even then'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hey, a lot of people did in 2008 didn't they? Obama Hope and Change was a great orator tactic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It worked on many levels'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I have to hand it to him, he did a good job with that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and because look at the other option'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish the US would have the decency to wait for another major democratic power to emerge *before* starting to destroy themselves...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Right, its perception Modi. I think you're actually agreeing with me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how many died in Iraq between 2001 and 2008? Who can we blame for that? Oh, but wait, we are talking about the death of wogs, so it doesn't count... sorry.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even though obama's pretty crappy, he did save the world from the alternative...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously, there are some who rather have the alternative :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos points excitedly at Romney on November!
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, alternate histories aside. Neither of these guys were particularily truthful. Who wins is presentation. No one remembers facts from debate 1. They do remember Obama looking listless.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This one they're going to remember how offensive each one was on each other.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, the number of us combat losses increased throughout the bush terms, and only started coming down recently.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he gets bent out of shape because 2 mercenaries got killed in Libya, and sheds no tears for all the Irqui who have died since the US arrived. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'something like 6 times as many US casualties occurred since Obama officially took office than occurred in all of Bush's two terms.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Not that Libya was a lie or not a lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought they were gonna fight'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that wouldve been awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Exactly. Thats what people will remember, tweet about etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, ok, how many is that in numbers, November? Is it 100K, 200K, 500K? Let's compare how many the invading US troops lost to the number of native casualties.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think romney would win in a fight'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama looks like he might be quicker...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Leaner, .. like a joe frasier'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hes a smoker though'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Romney would not win in a fight, he would stay behind the lines.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Romney would move to France.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The first thing Romney would check if he got elected is how are the shelters around DC'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I forget the numbers, but under bush the US death toll was like 600ish and maybe 2000ish wounded.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Anaristos, facts or numbers about things in the past .. about another presidency.. mean even less... '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Or claim his religion prohibits fighting, forgetting all about Mountain Meadows Massacre.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how many Iraqui civilians died viz a viz the 600ish and 2000ish?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's because the number of casualties rose dramatically during bush, and only came down during obama1'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i went to mormon church as a kid, got in plenty of fights'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the rate is only higher over obama's term because it kept increasing over the previous years'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i might be frowned upon, but so is teen pregnancy'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you people are still ignoring the death of Irqui civilians. Obviously, being non-entities, they don't count.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Not all people who follow a religion are good followers, some are quite bad. But, I think everyone here points to the negative things too much. I think by far (not even close) the amount of good done by many religions (not all) far outweighs the outlying negative actions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You keep believing that, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because if it was really more negative than good, people wouldn't really follow it. Yet, billions do. So, theres some good behind it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people followed Jones into death, November. People just like to fallow any well told fantasy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I will, because you don't hear the stories of all the people who have used their faith to the good - ... '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Delusion is not good, but it is the reason for religion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US casualties?  Sorry, Sonshi, but no.  the 600/2000 were over 8 years (two entire presidential terms).  We haven't even gotten through one yet with Obama, and he's had a little bit more than 9-11 in terms of US deaths.  Wounded (casualties separate from deaths) climbed up to at least 20k before Obama stopped releasing numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'About how a nun in Africa has to drive through dangerous roads and jungles every day to deliver medicine because her faith called her to that in life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not the point, November. The point is that people don't need to be "religious" to do good. All they need to be is moral.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'About how people who pray in times of need find solace, thousands of times'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are the figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'millions or even billions of times, countless as the stars'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Praying is wasted time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, I think on this we'll just have to agree to disagree. But, I'm sure I have many more people who agree with me than you do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've been declining over obama, while increasing over bush'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Iraqui prayed, November, and they kept dying...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Just because you pray doesn't mean you are not going to suffer.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, from 2002, the first full year of war, they had 30, while in 2008 they had 153. In 2009 it increased to 310.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, it can help you find meaning in everything that is happening to you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'False meaning, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'everyone prays i think'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whether they realize or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it peaked at 496 in 2010, and dropped in 2011, and looks like it will be under 300 for 2012'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh sure, prayer comes in many many forms.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've never prayed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, ok, so praying doesn't actually get you anything. Prayer won't stop an M-16 from turning you into a sieve. '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have tried to influence the quantum state of my existance, though, but it did not work either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'having thought and questions that you dwell on?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'For example, St Frances de Sales discussed in his book The Devout Life how people can pray passively just by observing'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because that's another fantasy, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Had to give it a try, Scott Adams had some interesting ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under bush, casualty rate multiplied 5 times. Under obama, it's on course to be lower than his first year...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you miss the point, November. Prayer may cause certain cohesion among people, but the same cohesion can be obtained without it, at less cost. If you need mass hypnosis to bring the people together you are in for a rude awakening when they snap out of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you count only KIA (leaving out accidents, etc.) the difference is even greater...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The simple way to lower casual rates is to stop the wars. For both sides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your quantum state already exists (all of them).  They are forced into existence when they are observed.  One theory states that all quantum states are decided when just one state is observed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Exactly how will we stop wars?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just leave.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'we stop wars by killing all humans'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can stop any way where you are the aggressor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think that's shortsighted. The world runs on a global economy now. Stability is very important for prosperity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'war*'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea, make the generals actually kill people, but they'd prob kill their own first'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what prayer and other devices actually do is to make the brain bypass the analytical centers, and while that can be beneficial for specific applications it is not a good way to archive long term goals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Simply saying I'll stay home and out of everything is an isolationist policy that the US tried, but didn't work out so well. Japan even tried it for nearly 250 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It makes even less sense today.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'religion is great for those who live to serve others. In a sense, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, don't bring Japan into this. Or have you forgotten the Open Door Policy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US and its allied planted warships in Tokyo bay and told the Japanese "trade or die".'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or miss on purpose., like the giant in 'the princess bride''
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'From 1608? to 1853? Japan was very isolated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that might be whye isolationism failed In Japan, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Then iron clad warships showed up and they wanted to catch up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, they wanted to be left alone, But the US, France, England and Russia wanted their markets open.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, isolationism fails because others will cause you to fail...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so much for sovereignty '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yep, and they are the world's 3rd largest economy now Anaristos, and good friends of the USA and a very prosperous and better people for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like how if the US had tried to remain neutral in WW2, we'd all have been really screwed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? Can you bet on that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You seem to think colonialism was all bad to the colonized.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It depicts the events all wrong, and with the wrong people - but The Last Samurai shows a very real vision of the move Japan made from Isolationist to Expansionist, as well as WHY it happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US stays at home and Germans conquer Europe. End of war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It wasn't. In fact, the USA was a colony and it worked out OK for us too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the US had remained completely neutral and kept selling japan oil, there'd be no pearl harbour, china would have capitulated, and the USSR split between the nazis and japan'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Interestingly enough, and for very different reasons, the US made similar changes over the course of the World Wars'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if insane Hitler would told its troops to pack up and go fight a war across the Atlantic, he would have been shot where he stood.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually even the highly colonized / broken up China and India. Heck, all the best economies in the world now: were colonies to someone else at some point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'November - that is because Europe broke itself over WWI and II'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US falling would have become just a matter of time, once the combined axis industrial might exceeded the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'China predates its colonizers, though, and so does India.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hitler prob lost control years before he off'd himself'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hitler was on Speed, as I recall a certain documentary'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the time they were colonized their empires had waned, and the conquerors were upstarts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'True, but the "barbarian" cultures caught up and surpassed China. Then China changed its mind. It worked out OK for them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Although the Mao period was really a tough one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, actually the colonizers of China, became sinophiles.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazis wouldn't even have had to send anyone over initially, they just rain icbms until the us capitulated, or ended its isolation (and then lost)'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had waited for too long, the outcome would have been decided for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan's culture was changed by the Chinese, not the other way around. So was British culture changed by the Hindu.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i bet chinese history is fascinating and gruesome, but you dont see that on history channel'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why would you see that on the history channel? Aren't they a propaganda channel for the "western" way of life?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'largely secretive i bet'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chinese history is bloody. But so is eveyone else's history.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'may I remind you of Wounded Knee, for instance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china's collapses has a few similarities with the current american situation... political infighting, an upper class that cared less and less about the common people, economic mismanagement...'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well history channel seems mostly to be about hitler, as i recall'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Antarctica is relatively blood free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, if you don't count the penguins.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, we don't know what happened when Antarctica was green, Vakieh :) '
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we know enough that there probably wasn't a Dino Emperor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Antarctica was a place people visited but didn't stay. It was rather a long row from any mainland.'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i think you mean that we know that there probably was'
T3/r7/2012-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doubt we'd ever know if the Aurellians used it as a campground, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'something constructive here ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't get a flu shot, you dont need it and it is a fake. They are soft killing us.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you discount the placebo effect imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey Snookums :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sugar water would be more effective a flu shot though ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No its not the placebo, flu shots give you the flu'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies - I get the theory '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it still has a hormetic effect; they're just putting other trash in it'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hormetic - define ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'hormesis: deliberate undermining to stimulate growth'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'think lifting weights'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'opposite of homeostasis - ur a quick study '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'problem is they take advantage of open-body access that a vaccine provides and lace vaccinations with shit like squalene and mercury, which makes us sick'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aqualene ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'squalene '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sounds a lil paranoid - FDA approve drugs like that ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't tell me you believe in the FDA :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am Oz - not even remotely connected - but ok thought the wowsers had got some form of transparence '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I suppose they do the right thing as long as the drug doesn't come from Eli Lilly :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Eli Lilly ? who ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The "FDA" are former board members of the very same private-sector firms they are tasked to regulate'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'lots of regulation goin on when they're in bed with each other'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Welcome - Pfizer , monsanto ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- oh that is disappointing - but stranglehold grip is it ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'corperate gene pool is pretty shallow in the US imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The FDA is basically Monsanto, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You know, the ones who brought you Agent Orange, and now GMO foods'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'short memories people have'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tzad, google Agent Orange and look at the images'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Monsanto has stations n farms here over a barrel - roundup ready seed .. that and the duopoly of supermarkets - primary production for food has about a 3% gain on investmeent .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have heard of agent orange - defoliant that causes congenital defects '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'used in Nam'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'used in Vietnam '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '40 years later, apparently Monsanto now has a good track record, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not like they'd poison you with GMO foods, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I hung out abit at Alices RSL '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not like Bill Gates, a known eugenicist, would support Monsanto in a bid to push GMO foods to poor countries like Africa, right'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What insane reason would they have for poisoning people with GMO foods?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they hate minorities, frankly'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, it's that simple'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'really ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can only find the usual cospiracy theory nutter webpages when searching for "Bill gates eugenics".'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know a lot of hard core racists and none have mentioned Monsanto .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A "known eugenicist"? By whom? You and your ilk?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'start with daddy first, where he got all his money'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I understand your point Yuna, but you'll never find mainstream media that says anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are there any good bits of Eugenics ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rupert Murdoch owns all the media; you won't find a "real" source that says anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other words, in your mind "known" means "My conspiracy blogs say so".'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love my race and I'm not going to breed with someone who will give me defective genes to pass on - is that Eugenics ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'eugenics is deliberate culling of the gene pool, since humans have no predators'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'think 3rd Reich'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eugenics is the practice of trying to supress or prevent people with less acceptable genetics traits to breed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sources for that Bill Gates supports that? I'll even take your crackpot conspiracy blogs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I'm not deliberatly kulling - just being selective '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just wanna see what they're saying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, the facts are the facts; they're everywhere and can be individually verified   http://occupycorporatism.com/bill-gates-eugenicist-extraordinaire/'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So you know, I didn't start "like this" if you think'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you uncover one stone, then another, then another, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The English language vehemently disagrees with your definition of the word "fact"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not going to breed with a black - I kile white - is that supressing or just excersising choice '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"It's written on a conspiracy site/blog with no actual sources" =/= fact.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like *'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, for the love of... so he's an eugenicist for getting in volved with the vaccine industry?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A fact is that they openly support vaccinations'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're one of THOSE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'as an example'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'vaccines are now poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'those ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Vaccination is evil! It's used by the government to control and poison the populus!'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wah wah wah!'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'don't believe it, look at the data'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'rising autism, etc. directly correlated to vaccination increase'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'newborns here are given upward of 70 shots'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'also rising detection dur to increased vigilance ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I mean in the U.S., not Sweden; it may not be apparent there'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stopped reading after the first 3 points. So Bill Gates is allegedly a proven eugenicist because: 1) He's sinking moning into geo-engineering projects (?!?!?!?). 2) He's a support of vaccination. 3) Again with the vaccines.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'just like Hitler...'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'posotive Eugenics my be a good thing imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the starting sentence of that pathetic excuse for an article pretty much said "Planned Parenthood is all about eugenics! Bill Gates is an eugenicist because his dad was head of Planned Parenthood!" (at least that's what I think it says, since it actually says "William Gates, II who has the head of Planned Parenthood".'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Gates has flat-out said that he will use vaccines as a vehicle to curb world population'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '90% of that "article" seems to be about how vaccination is all about eugenics and poisoning people. Yeah, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'PP is actually Margaret Sanger; you should read about her believes'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where, DosseT? Where does he say that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the world population needs curbing imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source, even your crackpot sources, for Bill Gates stating he'll use vaccination to stem the world population.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Let's use Bill Gates as the source'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Refer to Bill gates" is not a proper argument. Show us a quote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure he is stupid enuf to say that outright '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_C2F4KVJE'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, that doesn't look doctored at all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the FUCK is there a picture about CO2 up there when he's speaking about vaccines and eugenics?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the point is to hear it from the source'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'context - I would have to see the whole argument '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't even see Bill Gates' face for the first part of that. It's a paste job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bill Gates could show up in your room and tell you his plans, and you'd invent an excuse to deny'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's strange how there's a random picture put up there to block out Bill Gates for half of that video.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's for sound bytes; text quotes are all over the place'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'where do you think his 'eugenicist' moniker came from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'me?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "all over the place" you mean "On my crackpot blogs".'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rupert Murdoch owns the establishment ones; "crackpot"'s all you got'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo eugenics aint all bad anyway - we want to curb the amount og genetically inherited dificencies imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'eugenics is curbing based off of what they want; not about curbing deficiencies'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or rather: you are the deficiency'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't want mongolism in my kids - so not breeding with a mongol? chromasome 21 defect .. OK'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'more like: "non-Aryans are sub-human, so eliminate all the mongrels"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if that is eugenics - I'm pro eugenics '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'eugenics isn't about gene quality'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'objectively'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love my race - why would I taint my childeren ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what do you do when someone says Aryans are the mongrels? it's relative'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't really matter I like White - is subjective - not breeding with another race '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'most people prefer homogeneity; that's not what eugenics is'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'define homogeneity ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have been busy :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'same'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'define homogeneity ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'single race or something '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'uniform'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it means like prefers like; preferences/phenotypes tend to stay uniform'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll breed with another white and if there eyes are not as blue as mine or thier hair is fairer than mine I'll love em anyway  but I will teach em to be proud of our skin colour - not at the exclusion of anothers just what the white race has accieved / stuffed up '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.gatesfoundation.org/vaccines/Pages/overview.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is their declaration, as fact, Yuna; up to you what you believe about vaccines themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the human population should decrease  imo - '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Former news reporters expose Monsanto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasLilZi9GM'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is the real deal, man'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'they got fired, they tried to pay them off to shut up, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is no argument that big buisness has a stranglehold on the mass media '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'mass media IS big business'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a tautology - yes '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we the "undercurrent" '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'look at your consumer habits and say yea or nay '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, the myth of consumer choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatilism is a demorcacy - is $1 a vote imo - don't vote for those corperations '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'right, absolute monarchy is a democracy, one king one voite'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'correct me mate ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is that it is often difficult to have meaningful choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, for example, I can choose which airline to fly on. Except that I can't because where I want to fly from and where I want to fly to, pretty much defines who I fly with'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol trust me I am outside normal social considerations - on eof the blessings of being clinically insane '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'of course, I could choose to fly from somewhere else and to somewhere else, but then that is not really a meaningful choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'get on ur bike n ride ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I'm live on an Island'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do too - Australia '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna gets proven wrong, disappears from debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snook - not a great look mate - engourage deb pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not about winning, ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'about sharing'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gimme a runto from recall n I'll be there for a drink tho '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the fuck did I get proven wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasLilZi9GM'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obviously doctored bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That picture wasn't there originally. It's not even of the same picture quality as the rest of that stream!'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was placed there to cover up the fact that that's a cut and paste job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasLilZi9GM is Monsanto being exposed by former TV reporters'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna, disappears.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How does that prove that Bill Gates supports eugenics?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also show her the gatesfoundation link DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never once touched Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Way to go allegedly proving a point I never debated against!'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the conclusion with Gates is simply that the Foundation articulated their goals; what you believe about vaccines will ultimately decide your stance about the Foundation'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go live in the woods and hope not to catch any vaccine-able diseases.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is a statistical connection between the polio vaccine and prostate cancer...'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If that's true, they clearly did it on purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Correct: that's Merck, though'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How would that even help in eugenics? Did they specific target people they didn't want to breed when giving out the polio vaccine, giving them special extra prostate cancery vaccines?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't believe back then was for eugenics; simply experimenting with what they could get away with'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also polio vaccines gave a shitload of indians polio'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the monkeys they used for the polio vaccine creation back in the 1950s are reputed to have suffered from SIV-80'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna you should get a David Copperfield act in Vegas'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also 9/11 was an inside job'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'That bored Snook ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, I really should have brought up something thats actually debateable. 9/11 was an inside job. No debate possible'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I heard it was the Jews'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define "the jews"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'whether or not it was an inside job is not that important'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'compared to the response to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean Galtieri really did invade the Falklands, Thatcher really did use this for her own purposes'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who what ? that was decades ago ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Barack Obama is a flippy booby bibbidy president who needs to come dry cleaning about the truth'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the advantage with things that happened ages ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'is that we often know better what actually happened, than things that happened short time ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'to young to remember it - only know the Falk war showed soldier training disparity an AV-88 harrier landing gear fails imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soldier training dovetails into - break the "cannot kill own species" wiring - the pomms had - the argentines had not '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and you cannot land the harrier on uneven ground - or even even ground if you are a Pom fighter pilot .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'RAF fail .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm a pclass T7 lvl 162 Barbarian. I have Ironfist at lvl 1.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jill Stein arrested trying to enter the latest leader debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gallup: R51% O46%'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'huge protests as students take to the street in Madrid, Spain, against austerity and the 50% unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That will give them more jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Global warming stopped in 1997" says met-office study'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would, if they actually manage to change the minds of their leaders! ... fat chance of that'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their leaders cannot change, they're in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they have sovereignty'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't think you understand the nuances of the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What they mean is no detectable warming trend since 98-ish, I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can always default... it'd be bad, but not that bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are broke, if they take a bailout, the EU parliament (well germany) essentially dictate their fiscal policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they default, they leave the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'How do you create more jobs in Spain, then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they do need to leave the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece needed to'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can dictate all they like, but there's nothing stopping them from taking the money, running, and saying "err.. sorry, we tried to follow the plan... really!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Debt reset and money printing won't create more jobs, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than sanctions'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or just straight out defaulting'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'invasion'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ho ho... invasion. Sanctions. Of spain??'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, some more jobs, obviously :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Where is Obama's detailed plan hiding?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'default, nationalisation, reorganisation, and reprivatisation'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Sonshi, that's what happens to countries that defy the globalists'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll admit I didn't spend much time searching, but his campaign website seemed to have, well, bullet points mostly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his and Romney's eloped to vegas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'shouldn't take more than 5-10 years...'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of the presidential wanker debats?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, like anyone invaded argentina over their default'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have not seen the debate yet.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or iceland'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be called "Who wants to be a dictator?"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't default, they haven't got the balls'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think Yuna gets entirely too worked up over them, and probably needs to masturbate feverishly to work off all that tension.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was left extremely underimpressed by the show'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they probably won't, but that's not my point...'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a bit better than the last one, but was still extremely short on policy, especially from Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was policy from Romney, but no detail'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'beyond that, I don't watch the debates.  Maybe I would if they weren't campaigning for so long, but I find it especially pointless to watch candidates argue with each other for a few hours when I've been listening to them argue and proclaim for a year or more already.'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK police taser blind man using a cane, mistake cane for samuarai sword'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'UK cops as the lower-class twits'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel considering military intervention in Syria over chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'convenient, since Syria threatened to use them if invaded'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that an empty threat by Syria due to inability of delivery or a valid option'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a typical Israel/US excuse for invading another country'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'See Iraq 2003'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, the USA wants another debt load from another invasion'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what they're gearing up for'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the USA is earning money from those invasions'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military industrial complex certainly is'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and lets face it, between them, pharma, and the global banks, they make up the NWO'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those rich of the USA military industrial complex get richer, while saddling the USA with a bigger tax burden,  and those getting rich by the warmogering model prefer to avoid paying taxes, prefering that the poor do with far less instead, while some of the poor provide menial labour and soldiers, and the rest of the poor .. simply stay poor'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much the NWO plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why Europe government signed onto derivative debts that were not their own'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all part of the plan to dispossess and enslave the people'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'derivative debts of mass economic destruction'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wealth-generators of mass debt, you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the ?USA? with those corrupt unregulated derivatives declared war against the other nations of the planet'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of the perpetrator corporations were American, but it was a global scale scam'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the economic and political leaders of those other nations in their clueless greed went along with the derivatives scam'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the icelanders look like mental-retards, the icelandic government force-selling the dna rights of the icelanders, then losing their monies in the financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the icelanders refused to sign onto their banks derivatives'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet seems that the Icelanders sold their dna-rights for a pittance'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'soul-rights, dna-rights .. may  be similar'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the soul is in the dna'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally agree that a centralised dna database is a severe infringement of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, there are others that people seem to go along with obliviously without the objection it should receive'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a centralised dna database may be an adjunct to a police state'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN paper by Professor Ignacy Sachs, implemented by nations of the UN calls for birth control, the economic downgrading of the west and north, and a reduction in population through war. He also advocates global taxation adminstered at a Global Government level'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with a centralised dna database to which everybody is forced to contribute, when dna-evidence from crime scenes is compared to that database, some "crimes" may be solved faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thus the devil's work is known by the name "Agenda 21"'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what does that make it when you have a dozen (voluntary) dna databases?'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what ethnicity is this "Professor Ignacy Sachs" advocator of population reduction through wars'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Polish'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Polish Jew, and a support of communism'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indicative of the lovely sorts of people we have running the planet'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the irony is that the Nazis in WWII did in advance to the polish, jews, communists, what Professor Ignacy Sachs the "polish jew communist" is currently suggesting '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the robotic technology in the film "Bladerunner" and the tvseries "Total Recall" is reminiscent of the direction of remote war technologies -- using robotics to hunt down and kill humans'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Total Recall 2070'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whole slabs of the centre and right of media are slating the debate, and mainly the woman in charge for screwing it up'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the next sentence is true'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the previous sentence was false'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'this was in the internet'
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you broke my bot :-( '
T3/r7/2012-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'thats only good. for mud'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Bill Clinton today, 'When President Obama looked into the eyes of that man who said in the debate, I had so much hope four years ago and I don't now, I thought he was going to cry' -- he's just a loose cannon isn't he. Secretly I think he wants Romney to win so Hillary can storm the Ds back in 2016.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, USA spends $11 for every $7 it raises in tax. It's beating the UK that was spending #4 for every #3'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'US just needs to fix its tax code.  Getting away with 15% on capital gains while wage earners are paying more is absurd.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney intends scrapping capital gains for all below $250k a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm unsure whether to scrap it altogether, or treat capital gains as regular income'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd say regular income, maybe bump up the amount you can earn before paying tax across all income'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my manifesto sees the simplification of the tax system (UK's is over 1000 pages long) and the abolishment of all tax credits and allowancse'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much instantly wipes out the majority of fraud and tax minimisation'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think that'd work for a lot of people.  Just take the "standard deduction", raise it up, and eliminate the whole itemized deductions thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, no deduction'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Standard deduction basically keeps you from taxing people in the poverty level'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be taxed too'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'makes more sense then turning around and spending more on them in welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are already, disproportionately'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you just effectively make like 0-25000 or whatever 0% income tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All you'll do is eliminate the middle class...which is the goal anyways'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to do that, that's where all your money comes frmo'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'negative'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% tax rate from 0 to 52k gbp a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40% from >52'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% sales tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'proportionally, most of our income comes from the wealthy'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They come from the working middle class'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capital gains, inheritance treated as income'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'who pay income transfers to the bottom-feeders'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'who so remain, because it's incentivized'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% sales tax on all new products and commercial services, property purchases. Citizens get a rebate for the first property in their portfolio'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to pay every adult a "citizens allowance", tax free, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'now your back to deductions :P  but that one is tremendously helpful to the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no deductions!'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but you just said...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no deductions to tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'only diff between a citizens allowance and a tax break on your first x dollars income is the latter benefits workers over non-workers'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be the case if welfare didn't exist, taokan'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's not'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'stepping out, bb in 10'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by giving all adults a citizens allowance, it's a method of giving welfare without discriminating against workers'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also extremely low overheads'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hear you, EIC kinda attempts to do that today, but it's convoluted, and most people don't really understand it'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'current system is insanely beurocratic'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and totally skewed, and entirely fails to do what it's supposed to'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that element would cost 130bn gbp a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, your tax take would fly up'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd also significantly reduce fuel duty, as well as ring fencing it, replacing car tax with a per-mile charge'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise ringfence it'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'A marriage should be between one man and a binder full of women.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '*giggle*'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'better that being between a man and his favorite hand or pet.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So we are in agreeance, then? Max = 6sol, 4ill, 3res?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'seems like the industry standard'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I say 4 ill, because I count 2wis 2luck as an ordinary max ill'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And resonate is a special case, because 2luck 1stat, or 1luck 2stat, I would count as max - but if you get those split ones it's best to declare them specifically, as they often sell higher.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama called the death of 4 Americans "not optimal"... wow, that's just insulting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If that doesn't do him in, I just dont know what level he'd have to stoop to..'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, considering that they were cia ops, they are trying to make the incident casual. They don't want people to start  asking what were those people doing there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, maybe. Obama made a big deal about how much those deaths meant to him in the debate, knowing the families, greeting the coffins, etc. and then he goes on comedy TV and makes light of the fact that Americans died.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he'd have to stoop pretty low.  He openly said he was gonna bankrupt coal and then proceeded to sort-of deliver on that promise.  Imagine how many jobs that covers, for an energy source that (at the time) provided most of our energy needs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I can't even imagine the outrage if Romney said that, it would be the 47% x10.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for just 4 people, though, it's kind of overreacting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have an unstable zone, so what were they doing there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I thinking making light of any american that dies, especially in service to the country, is insulting. These people gave their lives for a punchline in a comdey show'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, yes, that's true :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'What were they doing there without the right amount of protection?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I know why they were there, we are trying to stabilize Libya and you need an ambassador there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, I get sick of that crap, November. The US shows very little respect for other people that die, so if this time it showed little respect for 4 citizens, then at least you know that they are not bigoted :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I assume by the US you mean the US Federal Government?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, you want to act as if they were victims, they most likely scenario is that they got caught and executed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Many US citizens care about the deaths of many people around the world..'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but they do nothing to stop their deaths, let me point you to Viet Nam and Iraq. Easily over 1M people dead at the hands of the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They were assaulted. They were a peaceful group of people trying to bring peace to a country in turmoil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes and over 2 million Cambodians died when the US left too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's practically the end of the world when more than a handful of people die in one event here.  We overreact to killings to the point of hilarity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who, the to ex-seals working as mercenaries in an unstable  zone? Are you that naive?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they were caught and executed'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The Libyan ambassador was caught and executed, let me see if I got that right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Is that what your stance is?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what, do you think that ambassadors don't run cia ops?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"ambassador" is a job description, it doesn't add any character to the holder of the title. Neither you nor I know what he was doing there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm not sure with that opinion there's anything I can say in response thats worth it. In your opinion, everythign the US seems to do is always bad, wrong, evil, immoral, corrupt and devastating against sentience.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'very accurate description november'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, news flash for you, the USA has been much better for the world than whatever it has done wrong for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I guess that's just something you'll never really see.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are saying that because the man was an ambassador he didn't do anything in Libya that they Libyan would consider objectionable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That he should be executed for, and the President of the USA to make fun/light of it on a talk show'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am saying that while I have no evidence to the fact I can not discount it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'I suppose that americans are like the romans in that old times'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are a rabid anti-Obama (and who knows why?) so when you say that the president made light of the incident, I take that with a grain of salt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you tell me if the romans didnt go and do pillage rape and murder... Same thing now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I guess thats why so many liberals don't care about the offensive stuff Obama says, they just think America is terrible, so its OK to make fun of terrible things. You get a republican up there, says one comment poorly and boom! holy crap. This double standard is saying things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Honestly, whenever any act of terror is committed against anyone, its a bad thing and the people who died shouldn't be made fun of.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'the double standard goes both ways...I just find it amusing that we seem to think a two party system is the way it was supposed to be'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say the the world is a better place because of the US? Were you off-planet the last 40 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'I would like to see it go back to the no party system where people ran on their own merits, morals, and ideals instead of trying to make their party happy'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some people has benefited from the US, no doubt. But the world in general? I don't think so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well again I'm assuming you mean the entire USA, its people and the government right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I can't tell you how much foreign aid, help and assistance Americans have given for thousands of causes and countries to sue for peace and prsoperity of others.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since the 60s the US has carried out more armed aggression that any other country except during the world wars, which they were part of.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And all the conflicts that were stopped because of our strength.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ambassador was well liked by the locals, and was as far as we can tell, doing a good job over there. Blaming people who did not have much control over the situation is rather cheap'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US is famous for supporting fascist governments to attain their goals, telling the people under those regimes to go fuck themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were latecomers to both world wars.  In both cases, our allies whined about getting their asses kicked.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and your point, Haslanda?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hanslanda, WWI was won well before the US entered'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They simply hastened things along'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US had no obligation to act against their interests... they only joined when it was clear they'd be next. Can't blame them for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for WW2, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wasn't referring to the US activities during the world wars, I merely pointed out the the US has engaged in more armed aggression since any country during the world warls.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wars*'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'next what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, its about interest. Interest in not having a radical left-wing Facist government dominate the world. Stopping the Soviet Union oppressing the people of Eastern Europe. THere's a lot of people who are a lot better off today because of what was done by the USA and its people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'next to get screwed, if they didn't help the allies beat back the axis'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in neither world war the US  homeland was at risk, not discounting Pearl Harbor (though it wasn't part of the homeland then and it was a provoked attack).'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(imagine if they had happily sold oil to japan and just watched as china got overrun)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, but our friends were. And you stick up for friends in tough situations to fight real evil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Otherwise you'll end up alone, friendless.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't seriously think that if Hitler would have conquered Europe he would have gone through the logistic nightmare of attacking in the American continent? He would have been assassinated by his generals if he tried.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was pretty clear that if japan whacked china (quite possible without the embargo) and germany held a line closer to their homeland, the tide would turn against the allies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You think Europe would be better off if the USA never did a thing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it wouldn't be hitler that'd be the one attacking, probably.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Under that left-wing Fascist government that created a Holocaust of unbelievably immoral activity'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Germans had no reason to attack the US. Many in the US actually sympathized with Germany.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it'd be the one that acquired a large colony next door which it could industrialise rapidly, arm a large population, and which had very good ships.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hitler liked the US - Japan didn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah for a while, but that changed. I've read "Americans in Hitlerland" and let me tell you it changed for them, they lived there during it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a chinese capitulation would have threatened the US' very existence, if it just sat on its hands.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, the Nazi party was starting to get peeved by the American Nazi movement.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan had a) a grudge against the US and b) an actual fear that the US was going to attack them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If Japan had attacked the USSR through Siberia instead of Pearl Harbour, the world would be a very different place'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually Japanese Generals and Admirals knew they would lose if they attacked the USA. They went into it knowing it would not work out. The leadership of the country still did it though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the US fleet had not made a wrong turn at Midway that gave them the victory the world would have been a different place.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They had flown over the west coast of the USA, seen the ship yards and the economy. '
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No it wouldn't have.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Say what November? They very nearly won - Midway swings the other way, and boom, bye bye US'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You should see the statistics of production. Near the end of the war we had more destroyers at one point than they had planes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It was very lop-sided. It wasn't even a close fight.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china capitulated, and the axis finished off the USSR, the US would be next in another decade or two. Of course, realistically speaking, they'd have intervened long before then, no matter how isolationist'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No offense to Japanese players, I actually love Japan and its people and prize our good relationships.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, that was another time, something we should forgive and forget.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the US entered when it did, their victory was pretty much assured due to the large industrial might of the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the story would've been different if china had been abandoned...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt at the time probably recognised that they didn't really have a choice in the matter of war or peace.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they could've saved themselves a lot of trouble (and lives!) if they had started arming themselves sooner though...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by WW2, most of the armed services lacked combat experience.  You can't really change that quickly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The US did the world a big favor in that war, period. I just cant get over this "evil" America thing, America is always bad. Man, that's just so depressing to live like that. Its not true.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they did no one any favours... they did it for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not specific to the US.  The attitude is always expressed towards whomever has the controlling interest in global politics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just like any other of the allies in the war'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, pretty soon the US is going to be completely north american energy self sufficient.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I wish I could ask the soldiers who stormed the beaches of Normandy that question Sonshi, if they thought this was a selfish act by America to look out for itself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is already up to 80% north american energy self sufficient, with 65% coming from the US itself.....oil is booming on private lands....obama needs to ppen up govt land to resource extraction.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But I guess this explains the lack of outrage when Obama makes light of four Americans, serving their country, now dead. And that was my original question.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it sure isn't the best motivation...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So I guess thats what I asked for, heh. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since when did he make light of them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'On the Daily Show'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It isnt an optimal solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its not actually funny at all. The right answer was, "these people died for this country Jon, and shouldn't ever be made fun of"'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe you're just uninformed of the subtleties of diplomatese...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to be supplying 2 million barrels a day in a year or two with the explosion of new west texas oil, and oil shale in southern texas...'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'A non-sequitur, sure but Jon can recover :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota has gone from producing less than 100k barrels a day to almost 600k barrels a day in less than 4 years.  It will double that in 3 more years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil shale in eastern montana will be producing another 200k barrels by next year, as will arkansas and lousianna'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully soon the US will start exporting lng to the UK, and bring down their natgas costs to a reasonable price.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That is probably true Rizgoth. Exporting LNG is a next boom sector of the economy. I'm invested in it :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Right now, though LNG is cheap.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only in certain places it is cheap'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So production isn't worth investing yet until exports start skyrocketing'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaskan natgas is going to be exported to Asia in time, and lng plants on the gulf coast will send ships to europe'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Probably. You're getting no disagreement for me :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new natgas pipelines are already being built in Texas to send gas overseas.....the price of the gas in the US is to low to run at full production right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that huge natgas field under north Texas is at 20% production right now because of the low price and huge oversupply of gas right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'propane is selling for 75 cents a gallon in the north dakota oil fields right now. :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is no infrastructure around here to get the natgas out, so most of it is flared, and the rest is used to produce power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No pipeline eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I know who to blame for that one. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a new $2 billion fertilizer plant is under construction to use up some of the extra gas around here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, no natgas pipeline was planned...the keystone pipeline was for oil....and oil can also be trucked out of here.....'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'crude haulers are making $26 an hour starting around here, plus massive overtime.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah I thought as much. I guess you can only use it for one or the other eh heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'A lot of good jobs in N.D.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people are getting $1 raises every 50 days of driving, plus full benefits, room and board paid for, etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and straight time paid leave....work 4 weeks, and get 1 week paid vacation straight time of your hourly wage.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west and south Texas are the same way also, but less known.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need people to haul water, mud, crude and gravel'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I went to walmart earlier in williston today....and they are looking for more workers in the store....starting hourly is $17 plus benefits'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's probably seasonal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that has been the rate for 7 months now'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '8 months ago it was $16 an hour'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's crappy pay'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the unemployment rate in williston is .08 % right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most newbie roughnecks are easily making $2000 a week, and they need more people....the oil service companies hope to drill another 400 wells in the next year.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is a difference between store clerk and roughneck, tho...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the beautiful thing about shale oil though....it has flipped the economics of drilling upside down.....a normal well would cost around $2 million and you had maybe a 25% chance of hitting oil....but with shale oil....every $8 million well has struck oil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see any difference in those numbers'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( I wonder why they don't work on extracting oil from manure... )
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you noticed that eh :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shale oil is huge though, those fields could still be producing 100 years from now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and of course since we are assured by the drillers that the environment won't be damage, they we should sleep safely at night...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wah wah wah, drill baby drill !'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama has been a real disappointment in the energy sector....I almost prefer gwb.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easier to do energy if you don't care about the environment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'He's been sinking a ton of cash into renewable energy...progressed that field tremendously, compared to what it was 4 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, imagine that sucker not allowing drilling off the coast of California. What a jerk, he needs clean waters anyway. If the Gulf survived their disasters I am sure that California can too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is much easier to do energy if you have the balls to do what is right and still produce more energy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think Californians should just were hazmat suits all the time and let the big companies get on with their business.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of hoping congress does the right thing and work together, make them do it by not signing anymore bills until they start working together.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what do you mean by right? Pollute the air and water? Why isn't the right thing working on technology that doesn't burn anything? The answer to that is simple, there ain't no money for the oil people in it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'open up ANWR, Alaska could use another 600k barrels of new oil in the TAPS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see...the water well on my land is 32 feet down....and the natgas well is 8000 feet down....and my water tastes the same.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Yeah, let's screw Alaska to the wall, we can take videos of polar bears and icebergs, if people want to know what that looked  like. Though when the dodo went missing no one actually had taken the time to capture them on film, so we really don't know what they look like and we are still living happily ever after.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '90% of alaskans want more oil in the taps, should listen to them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '90% of alaskans aren't alaskans...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet the oil companies did the polling :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Alaskans are Inuit and Aleuts and others. The others are just carpet baggers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so 90% of the carpetbaggers want more oil :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the oil is on native lands, or govt lands.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'government lands, that's a good one :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did the Inuit give the lands to the government?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and export more alaskan coal to asia...woohoo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the usibelli coal mine, one of the largest in the world exports a couple dozen ships of coal per year to asia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'medical research - every country has thier own - is there a way of pooling resources and researching together ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Spain seeks to oulaw filming cops after footage showing police beating demonstrators goes viral'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds arrest second patsy in federal reserve bombing case'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama makes ill-judged joke about death of embassy staff in Libya. Mother of slain diplomat is distressed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what joke was that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fidel Castro near death after stroke'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Madonna has $10mil suit placed on her in Russia'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gallup R52% O45%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Infowars are having a money bomb'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I seen that'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama around 70% chance of being reelected'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'old stats?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'current'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound likely'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Electoral College, gotta love it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Court judges mobile phones cause tumors'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I might vote for Roseanne Barr thats how much it doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote for Gary Johnson, he might get enough to squeeze some cash out of the feds for next time'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no third party candidate will win election in the near future or ever for that matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what's the point then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the point is this:'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Where are you getting this 70% re-election chance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were not going to vote, or going to vote for a fringe candidate'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I'm seeing it much closer and thats incl Ohio going to Obama...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Which I doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then vote for Gary Johnson because he has a large enough popular vote that a modest increase in votes will give him more Fed funding'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney can't win without Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I agree but Ohio is a toss up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Romney has FL, VA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats the guy Tiger! That's who I am voting for'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'it's a weak lean to Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyone who votes obama or romney is a dumbshit'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'hardly Snooks'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could understand peopel in swing states voting Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder how cell phones, answering habits, machine calls and such are affecting poll reliability'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the thing is Romney has to win a ton of the toss ups'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay I'll take that back. But really most people are grossly misinformed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'after winning Ohio and Florida'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'not really..it's more pressing for Obama to win them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of the 13 swing states Obama currently leads in 11 of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it is pretty pressing for Romney atm'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Correct, and if he wants to win he has to keep the,.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney takes first lead in electoral college'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'RCP is full of stuff '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their definition of toss up needs to be looked at again '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'North Carolina is lean romney but Iowa is a toss up?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looking at that list, i don't think i would disagree with the tossup'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama has twice as high a polling gap '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and that's just one example'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? Iowa is O49 R47'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd call that tossup'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Many sites have n carloina to romney and iowa to Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, pretty clear direction of travel'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nytimes, the toilet paper of record'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ad Hominems the last refuge of the ...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, It's a Gerald Celente quote'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'lol Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Living in NC, I'd probably give it to Romney.  This is without any following of any polls, news, though, and living in the most democratic part of the state :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gerald cracks me up man'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i missed him today cos i was at work'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also tigernuts, just for your info http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a lot in it, then'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since all it would take is PA....'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for purely constitutional reckoning, romney would be the least-worst solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, you're screwed whoever wins'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney is better for the constitution? I fail to see how'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believes in local government and the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty simplistic'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'basic beliefs tend to be'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well put it this way, obama is for removing your second ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'often stated, never proved'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama is the best thing to happen to guns since the NRA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hollow it out a bit, perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because of this misguided belief that he will take away guns, gun sales are through the roof'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'he's better for guns than bush was.  Policy speaks for itself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have to be pretty fucking retarded and paranoid to believe the shit nuts is spewing'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why is that Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what way, sir Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama wanting to remove 2nd, for example'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or romney having actual beliefs :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...erm, that was kinda my point? At least the republicans know what it's for'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama on the other hand has crushed the first ammendment... and the 4th.... and is after the 10th'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how has he crushed the first amendment and the fourth amendment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outlawing protest, arresting people for their speech - same thing happens here'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't bother. he's either retarded or trolling. maybe both'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Three letters: N.D.A.A.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''disappearing' people. NDAA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Ad hominems, the last refuge...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama doesn't appear to be much in favour of guns, but I haven't noticed any restrictive laws passed the last years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately he hasn't been able to get them through'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'get what through?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'laws banning guns?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, he was going to try and push a UN-originated gun ban'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, gun 'register''
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'le gasp'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Obama has stated his intent with gun laws.  They have yet to be pushed through legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Something I'm sure he is waiting on the 2nd term for.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are having stuff confiscated, police are swatting people without due process, thus the 4th'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'sadly, the 10th ammendment has no say once we sign an international treaty'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'When the Feds threatened to impose a air-blockade on Texas if they refused to allow the deployment of TSA in it's airports, that's a violation of the 10th'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'i declare if i ran for president i would change my dollar into 75 cents'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i don't think that is a violation'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you're accusing Obama of favoring republican ideals?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's weird that no-one ever mentions 4th. it's always foaming mouths over 2nd that is in no danger'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're screwed whichever way you vote, though Romney has his voter base to think of, so he might have to be a bit more careful about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'according if he has republican ideals or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has globalist ideals'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney is the most fair weather politician on the face of the planet'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'wait what happened to my quarter'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you could have a 90 minute debate of Romney debating Romney if you wanted to'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Thats a blanket statement you could make for many politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In 2008, Romney seemed to change views whenever some random focus group told him to'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet as a coutnry is to get independants and libertarians in at the ground level - local goverment, sheriffs, governors'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this time he has been fairly consistent (if a bit short on details - much like Obama)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a bit short is being generous isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think i've ever seen a debate so devoid of policy as those debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I'd say Romney has been more forthcoming with details than Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has been more forthcoming with policy direction, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'However, that really doesn't say much.  They are both politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which loopholes/deductions will Romney close or eliminate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Everyone else seems to dislike politicians, so I'm sure I'm permitted to balance things a bit by being slightly generous..'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'consistent? Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Obama, transparent?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Of course you could argue that, say, Obama's approach to unpleasant events has been extremely consistent'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was reminicent of the politicians here in the UK in the run up to the election, complete lack of policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'guy who switches from extremist to moderate positions depending on whom he talks to?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you describe as extreme?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '47% are victims, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not extreme'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'libertarians and independents are likely to be similarly corrupt greedy deluded deranged and incompetent as those at the higher levels'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then I care about 100%, blah blah'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tactless, but not exrteme'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'the movement on jobs increasing'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats presupposing that it's a true statement'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also his break down was false'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure it's possible to care about 100% of voters while recognizing that X% of voters are part of the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of the 47% dependent on government or what have you, I would be willing to bet that MORE are Romney supporters'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Define "dependant on the government"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Twyst i would like to say that but i highly doubt that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I want to ban abortions, I believe that abortions should be safe and legal...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'paying no federal income taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ala Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'll fight for stem cell research, no the govt should not fund the destruction of embryos...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'while investing in a fetus disposal company in china no less....'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Blind trusts are political tools to avoid responsibilty - Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no gun control legislation - never! Oh, I support an assault weapons ban in mass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is also possible to prefer a ban on abortions while recognizing that since this is not realistic, abortions should be/remain safe/legal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all my investments are through a blind trust - Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Sonshi, Aren't there more than one type of stem-cells? Embryonic and non-embr...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Or, to understand that stem cell research no longer requires embryos'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'in kentucky you can use high power rifles to hunt elk'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we need to address climate change now! Oh, no, there's no problem, it's all a hoax...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Sonshi Assult weapons are already illegal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'not sniper rifle!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has been no global warming for 16yrs, inconveniently for Al Gore who has made $200mn dollars off the fear'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'they still sell ammo for it, the bill never passed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, climate change is both a problem and a hoax..'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'a sniper rifle is not an 'assult rifle''
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'll give you the embryo one, but the assault weapons ban already expired...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'an assult rifle is defined as a automatic weapon'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'oh, those are always illegal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you can't buy automatics'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you can have semi-automatic'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the opinions of Tigernuts the Libertarian (closet republican) are often seemingly incompetent deranged deluded ruinous and blatant exaggerated lies -- (and there is that horrid sexpervert bias that is likely offensive to devout christians)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'they look the same but function differently'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how will Romney reduce the deficit and debt?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best get some sources for that, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or spur job growth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'How has Obama done on the def. c'mon'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'How is Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Obama has shown us what he does, look at his spending- we can't afford another 4 years of that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Congressional republicans will not approve any tax increases'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Semi-Auto is better anyways. Any pro can get it done with single shots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'The problem I've seen with Obama in the debates is that it's hard to argue policy that is clearly failing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the structural deficit is actually low'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'also he said himself "my next four years i'll have more freedom. after the elections i'll have more freedom to do what i want"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The structural deficit?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the autumns here in rural Ontario Canada are warmer each year, as are the winters -- there is definitely global warming '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Real (GAAP) deficits are in the 4-5 trillion range recently, according to treasury'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, what the deficit would be if employment were normal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's gigantic'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'if... but employment isn't normal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which means..drop all the wars, return to "normal" employment and growth, and you're still stuck with maybe 3 trillion deficit'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increased number of devastating hurricanes and tornadoes in the USA are another indication of global warming '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if govt had expanded instead of contracted, the deficit would be fixed by now'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'we can't just pull that many troops home.. where would they work?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats the dumbest reason ive ever heard'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Of course no one really talks about GAAP accounting for gov't, because they traditionally only do cash flow accounting (and GAAP figures look awful)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'zade... what increasE?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'firing govt workers in a recession is pretty dumb, but there was little control over that, since they worked for states rather than the feds'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Ignoring the fact that the economy has been improving for years, at least Obama HAS a policy. All Romney has is "I'm going to make things better but never, ever tell you how!". I'd be more than happy to vote for someone with a CREDIBLE, SPECIFIC plan of how to do things. Romney has absolutely no substance'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Neither of which changes the reality that some kind of default is nearly inevitable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'the economy is improving?  How so?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'raise the taxes on the rich in the USA and the deficit shall turn into a surplus'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney gave a really clear and definitive answer on how he would imrove the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'few want to say it, but there not going to be a default because... (print more money)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'unemployment has been lowering for years? Jobs have been increasing for years? I thought this was obvious'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'he did?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'We have less jobs than when he took office and even fewer permanent jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"without even doing anything, after I am elected there will be optimism and companies will hire again" - Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'You musta been watching a different channel than me'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I went to Obama's campaign site and found a bunch of bullet points and not a lot of detail, so I'm sure his clever plan is hidden somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'improving the economy for the rich while beggaring the middle-class is not inproving the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no he didn't give an answer at all. Romney said "Tax cuts!" with no details on how these tax cuts will be paid for.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Then again, he has had 3 years in which to make real changes, and somehow I haven't noticed him propose any serious reforms'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of people have been living under a rock, failing to realise that there was a severe financial crisis. Guess they don't read the news...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not strictly true, saric'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Anyone see that Obama's America 2016?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe he's hiding all the good stuff for his 2nd term, but somehow I doubt it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said tax cuts, partly paid for by removal of deductions and loopholes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't say partly'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lacking specifics, but is entirely feasable'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is it feasible Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'no he is going to use his second term to totally screw us'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, because he knows that when you reduce taxes, the tax take goes up'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and what does it accomplish?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes when you stop excersizing you lose more weight'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hee hee [19 Oct 15:20:14] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, because he knows that when you reduce taxes, the tax take goes up''
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yeah, deductions and loopholes that don't exist. When asked whether he'd remove our 3 largest loopholes (capital gains tax and earned income tax credit)... nope, won't eliminate those'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true, look at the UK's experience during the 1970s and 1980s, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "uncle tom" Barack Obama seems to be a closet republican "mole" doing the bidding of the corporate massahs'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Given that most of body composition appears to be determined by diet, you might very well lose weight once you stop exercising.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'sorry, those and the home ownership tax credit'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although hardly because you stop'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's *growth* which increases taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'there aren't enough loopholes to pay for Romney's tax cuts, and even if there were he's already refused to close the largest ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only growth'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you know what kind of growth rate would be needed to offset Romney's tax cuts tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would put pre recession china to shame'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what tax cuts he's planning, nor do i know enough about the specifics of your tax system to judge'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was arguing the general point'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the mysterious effect by which collecting less taxes actually means you take more!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what it is, sonshi, you lower the rate to collect more'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has to do with reducing the rate of dodging'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, if you can actually reduce the dodging'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that might be true if the rate was extremely high'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but there's no plan for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and why would he stop his friends from moving their profits to some little islands somewhere?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'ha! the idea that lowering taxes raising income has been thoroughly debunked for decades, at least for tax levels below like 75%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wouldn't, but then neither would Obama, because they're both bought and paid for by the same puppetmaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"debunked" is a bit of an exaggeration'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history disagrees with you, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Tigernuts does not explain what the "1970s and 1980s UK experiance" is, then Tigerputz is merely flapping his lips and not saying anything discernable  '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but obama isn't actually one of them, and he's not the one proposing to lower their taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah I agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no it's not. literally nobody credible believes that lowering taxes RAISES income except for extremely high tax levels. '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The effect on total tax income of changes in marginal rates depends on what your starting point is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no credible economist, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Obama is a socialist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so historic lows are too excessive?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK reduced the top tax rate from 45% to 40%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'With Communist roots. nuff said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but tax rates are no where near that in the United States'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Which is why, say, that kind of thing was more likely to work one generation ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, 50 to 45%, it is predicted to cost less than 100mil gbp'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and yes, history indicates that lowering taxes does not in fact increase revenue. At least, there's a negative correlation'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once growth is accounted for, across multiple countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what was the result of lowering the UK tax from 50% to 45%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also depends on whether we're talking income from work or income from capital and your tax rates relative to other tax regimes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '2003 wasn't that long ago was it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reduction was quoted by the opposition at the time to cost 2bn gbp'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Look at Spain and Greece if you believe raising taxes increases revenue long term.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '30 years is also plenty of time for politicians to mess up a perfectly fine taxation system with a multitude of silly exceptions'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the bush tax cuts went into effect and the united states went into frenzy of growth never before seen right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, as an aside, it's a good place to note that recent reports (IMF, etc.) indicate that european govts are consistently understating the effect of the spending multiplier in their forecasts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Greece was notorious for having a tax rate of zero'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tax-cuts in the USA directly lead to the financial collapse of 2008 and the increased debt of USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for greece, tax is optional'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is exactly the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'similar to a Romney utopia'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and it seems like the US tax code is 10 times the number of pages it ought to be, so I'm willing to bet that if you add up a thousand little loopholes, that might work out to several dollars'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nowhere near 5 trillion dollars I'm afraid'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes should be equitable, low, and universal, there should be no deductions, no allowances, no differentials'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The total federal income isn't 5 trillion dollars in the first place, is it? :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a ten year forecast'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the more money the rich played with (from tax-cuts), the more greedy and reckless the financial markets became (with derivatives which was sopping up the extra monies)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those figures usually are, I gather'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like the imaginary cuts from 2011 agreements'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Romney's tax cuts are estimated to cost 4.8 trillion by the (nonpartisan) Tax Policy Center, and his deductions expected to raise no more than 1.7 trillion. That's a net 3.1 trillion (or more) added to the deficit, and that's that. Of course these are estimates, but to try to claim that these tax cuts would increase revenue is insane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not to mention they are supposed to be revenue neutral, whatever the hell that means'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'it means that revenue neither decreases nor increases, which is mathematically impossible by his plan as stated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'What is it about the 2003 Bush tax cut you are referring to?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could continue as you are now, since that works'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a shell game Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our current problems aren't caused by things happening, but the exact opposite'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they need more stimulus, but in the absence of that, they need someone who won't go out of his way to wreck the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well looks like Germany are going to set up a coup to move EU financial center to Germany, so UK is screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more stimulus? you realise the fed is buying up $80bn worth of american mortgages every month?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they have the eurozone under their thumb, so it's not surprising.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Buying mortgages isn't stimulus'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need to actually hire people'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats what governments' idea of stimulus is. You might want to ask them why'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'go build roads or something. Some places have pretty bad jams'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extra monies demand extra returns, which (when unregulated) leads to reckless financial vehicles -- a wise government taxes those excess profits from the rich and uses the surplesses (to eliminate national debt) and to use government monies to fund improvements to society (and at a far greater rate than the trickle-down myth of the greedy liar rich and their political bootlickers) '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, which side's fault is it...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you get that yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty false TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not jsut both sides in teh US, it's both sides here'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'fed buys mortgages -> mortgages in general increase in value & previous mortgage owners get cash -> hopeychangey wealth effects = functional stimulus, insert suitable black box stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'can cast all three spells'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, you've got different 'sides' in power all over the western world, and all of them have failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both? Okay, let's see... no dems, only republicans (on economic policy anyway). What do you think will happen? Now no gop, only democrats. What would happen?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and mis:)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the dems would split into two parties'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'same for the reps'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'red states take in more federal money then they give to the federal government'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a tendancy to be rural'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what does that prove'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fact is, if the gop were to mysteriously disappear during fiscal policy votes, the dems would increase spending on teachers, infrastructure, etc. while the reverse would happen if the gop were to dictate policy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it prove? it's called demography'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I didn't ask what it was called'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it costs more to provide services in low population density areas'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'per person'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they aren't taking that money to build roads and hire teachers...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know what they're spending it on?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'education is the devil's work, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Red states lead in most negative indicators'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what negative indicators?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'things like teen pregnency, welfar dependence, obesity etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find that difficult to believe... except obesity'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky and Nevada. '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'top 10 teen pregnancy states'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've got at least one republican on the house science committee who said "All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And its lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't hear this stuff from the dems...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nevada and New Mexico are red state?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Nevada is I know for sure'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never mind, your right'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tossup'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '/sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you realize that is splitting hairs correct?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can only find two tossups out of ten?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the other 8?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about other negative indicators, biggest budget deficits, highest tax rates, highest debt levels, most crime?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Highest political corruption..'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'corruption follows the money. It happens more where the people are rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'happens in red states too, but usually in places like texas, with all their oil'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stats are a pretty divisive thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ok lets look at crime'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Texas kicks ass, I wish Wisconsin could be the Texas of the north. Maybe if we take over MI's upper pennisula and some of canada we could.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it says something that states can continue to be rich without lots of resource money when their taxation and deficits are high'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Louisiana, '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... crime. Should compare city to city...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since you did mention the thing about rural areas. Well, one of you'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of "blue" cities aren't too bad on crime, by american standards. Which is to say it's intolerable, but not catastrophic. Someone should go dig up the stats!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that Chicago and LA will be pretty high up'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Detroit'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, a few cities here and there'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Gary and East Chicago, IN would disagree with you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now, to find a city of comparable size in a red state...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'it's a complicated issue with many confounding variables, you can't just compare "red" cities with "blue" ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ding!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'red states are all tiny'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'apples and oranges, see'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what i've been saying all along :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who was it who brought up rural areas?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my stats have bigger titties than your stats, and so on'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stuff like teen pregnancy doesn't occur more in rural areas though...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and red states have more crazies on science committees who think science is the devil's work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'There are plenty of crazies on both sides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'okay, which dem is that nutty?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Creationism is a pretty unique type of crazy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'regardless of what you believe TN, if Romney is elected pres a lot of people are going to regret voting for him'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubty'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the same as peopel who voted obama in 08 regretted it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't win'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'As opposed to the millions that regret voting for Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts agrees!
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the depth of the regret is vastly different though'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also it will be for different reasons'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people regret voting for Obama because of what he couldn't do'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people will regret voting for Romney for what he will do'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they regretted it because he has not done anything that he promised, and has done lots of things he promised not to'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a pointless argument, it's all he-said-she-said'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he hasn't done anything that he promised? hyperbole'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I regret having to vote for any of the last 3 candidates.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also it is hard when your "colleagues" are willing to destroy the country to keep you from being reelected'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is telling that the people least happy about good economy numbers are republicans'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think either of the offerings offer a solution to US's problems, then you're delusional'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a difference between "not a solution" and "a problem"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no difference at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That goes both ways, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'They both play the economy lament depending on what they stand to gain.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of them won't solve much. The other will likely actively wreck things'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is way bigger than either of them, what they do is almost irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a possibility that he won't but in romney's case you'd have to worry that he'd actually follow through on his promises.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama didn't turn around a shitty economy fast enough'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bush turned a stellar economy into a garbage heap'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets elect Bush on Crack'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds great to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Arguably, Obama has not exactly turned the economy anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you start two wars on a credit card'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you have a choice between more bleeding and hacking off another leg.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'You can't sit here and say Obama is faultless and then blame everything on Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's all Reagan's fault!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if obama did a shitty job of dressing the wound, at least he didn't go hacking away another leg...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the fact is we are so deep in debt that it is actually impossible to "pay it back". America will be in debt from now until it is not America anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if obama had not overseen the imposition of a police state and trounced all over the constitution, i might have more time for any economic plans...... if he actually had economic plans, which he is currently keeping secret'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, arguably, Bush jr. took over a crashing economy from Clinton.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Which didn't really have much to do with either of them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism is a disease'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'HA HA HA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bush did put those tax cuts in place, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly the same as corporate fascism'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Socialism is sort of a nice dream that would work if only people were inherently good and at least nearly omniscient'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You're looking at the wrong people when you look to the Presidents as the cause of these problems too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Those tax cuts actually increased tax revene from 2003 to 2008, but again you are debating a generalization.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'There was far more many factors than just a tax cut.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tax cuts at the same time as an expensive war... recipe for economic disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glass-stegall, and pushing mortgages on people who couldn't afford them'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least clinton left a surplus and plenty of wiggle room'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when money is loose (from lower taxes), investors are more likely to be reckless.  when money is tight, investors require to be more cautious and accurate in investments.  the ongoing economic danger with the extreme rich is that the excessively rich view monies as loose and also tend to control the politicians, the (de)regulations, and the financial institutions, resulting in a seeming automatic "insider trading" position (those on the "outside" are at a disadvantage)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the tax cuts occured concurrently with those gains'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if a crash happened while there was a surplus, it wouldn't have been too bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'didn't cause them by any stretch of the imagination'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clinton happened to be president during a technology-driven boom.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Clinton left a surplus because he was giving out 300k home loans to people with a 540 credit score.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so its all about external factors Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, because we stopped inventing stuff after clinton. Right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clinton caused the housing bubble'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and when the extreme greedy rich control the media, then blatant lies becomes the norm)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bubbles aren't too bad when you have a surplus'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as the Labour party here ran up the debts here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubbles are not good -anytime-, they're a skewing of the market'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they aren't that bad when you have a surplus, which is what I said...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'no, they're always bad, because they'll always pop'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'relatively easy to recover'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have a surplus, there's a lot you can do to limit the damage'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 2008 banking crisis was relatively easy to recover from? well gee, i'm glad of that'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: '"bubbles aren't bad when there's a surplus" is like saying "being set on fire isn't so bad when you're really cold"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a comedian :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gee, you think there was a surplus in 2008?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Laissez-Faire capitalism is as much of a pipe dream as socialism'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure where you get your data from!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'it's not a pipe dream, it's just so cruel to the people within it that they revolt against it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what he caused while you claim he had a surplus'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubbles don't inflate instantly, they take a number of years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he had a surplus in 2000'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the surplus was tiny compared to the national debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if that surplus had been kept (and expanded), the situation would be much better'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but if he maintained the same policies the debt would be zero'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'republicans have dementia when it comes to the national debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you don't understand the difference between a budget deficit/surplus and a national debt'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, the very act of maintaining that surplus would reduce the growth of bubbles, because the govt is drawing in more revenue.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt will sky rocket under Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the US will become a banana republic'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will become a banana republic under EITHER, you are already devaluing your currency, and the world is fleeing from it as a world currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's mostly about (1) stuff politicians can't control and (2) long term obligations, which they can control (at least, in theory they can..)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you get it yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's OVER. You guys LSOT'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LOST'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to debate with this level of lie production...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and if you want to know who causes bubbles, you have to look at the central banks as much as governments'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fleeing from the USD indeed. ha'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The debt is unfixable, adding more does nothing at this point. It's only a matter of time before total tyranny and our gov. saying that we "owe them"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia, china, bric countries are all trading in chinese currency now'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "God" cursed the USA since the USA committed some of the unforgivable sins of radioactive pollution '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iran now sells oil in chinese currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most of the govt debt is held by americans... One would note that the debt would go away if certain socioeconomic classes were taxed heavily...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you know who had a great response to the financial problems of 2008?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'China'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'gq'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guess what that response was?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is an ongoing (partly China-led) move away from the USD - it's been going on for some time, and at this rate, it may take another 20 years before we reach any kind of tipping point'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'CNY is not fully convertible. Trading in it is very limited.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there national debt of america is higher than the value of every barrel of oil on the earth, both mined and still int eh ground'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the national debt is mostly self owed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxing the middle classes will not help you'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is Romneys ultimate answer though'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who said anything about taxing the middle class?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? i thought most of your bills are bough by global banking corps'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except romney!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who else are you going to tax, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich won't pay your taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Blaming the rich or the poor is just propaganda to create a class war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The middle class is disappearing, better tax it quickly while you still have a chance.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, because the US has so little power that they can't do what little islands like mine can...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they did under Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't blame the rich. Tax them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't pay the tax they should be paying now, you think raising the rate will change that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think the US might be able to push capital income rates up to 25-30% without any serious problems'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'considering EU countries tend to  have capital rates in that range'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could raise the capital gains tax for anything beyond 50k of capital gains income'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU isn't very competitive'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they actually do pay that, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's always the little guys that carry the can'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it is easier if you go with one flat tax on everything, make it 30%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and have a 20k or something deduction for all wage earners'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in most cases they aren't dodging the tax entirely, it's that they are changing it into capital gains to pay a lower rate. Lower that rate, and you get even less. Raise the rate, you get more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have something similar, doesn't help - people on low incomes pay around 50-60% tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bingo'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Tigernuts ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich pay <40%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not very difficult to arrange so that poor people pay very low direct taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporations pay fuck all'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't tax the job creators'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starbucks have paid no tax here in years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facebook paid no tax last year'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney's economic policy in a nutshell'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course if you have anything like a vat, poor people will inevitably pay a larger share of their income through indirect taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in lieu of closing loopholes, which we know will take decades to achieve, if at all, might as well raise the capital gains tax 5-10 percentage points.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, I'll sell you the Norwegian tax code for one billion'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer a 20% flat sales tax, 20% income tax 0-52k, 40% 52k+ with no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is sufficiently complex to cover all your needs, clocks in at about 300 pages, and I'll even translate it for you'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk tax code weighs in at a little over 1000 pages'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not only that, I'll remove the silly loopholes added during the past 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure you can manage to implement a drastic simplification in 2 years if you actually want to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody wants to'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing don't want to because they want to create big government, the more complicated the better, provided there's loopholes for their elite puppetmasters'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'either that or there are localized pockets of extreme incompetence everywhere near the IRS :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right wing don't want to because they don't want loopholes closed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the little guy suffers'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'division of power sounds like a great idea in theory, but all it seems to achieve is more corruption, as every one with the power to hold up something can demand a cut.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what division of power?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Obama had dictatorial powers, the US would closer resemble your dream TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my nightmare, you mean'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of the rich bearing more of the Tax burden'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one party controlling one branch another controlling the other, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my dream would be to removing control for pretty much everything except foreign policy from the feds'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to what it was originally intended as'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would empowering the states be better TN?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign policy and to ensure fair trade and treatment between states'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'strong institutions and an army sworn to democracy are stronger guardians than a divided govt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would devolve into 50 versions of what we currently have'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because the states have shown themselves COMPLETELY trustworthy to wield such power'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army sworn to protect the constitution is what you need, since you're a consitutional republic'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'carful, sarcasm doesn't carry well on the internet!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the states run their affairs, you don't like your state? move to a different one'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Trustworthy is a bad choice of words.  The federal govt has proven to be just as "trustworthy".'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of "reverse sarcasm" in debates is indicative of "mental retardness" and debating incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So Tiggr, what happens when states enact a no emigration policy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting who's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that likely, Vakieh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless part of their affairs is to kick out immigrants from other states'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tell me, go take a look at your history and tell me what the original constitutional arrangements said about inter-state movement of people'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of "reverse sarcasm" in debates means that the debate is unsuitable for children and the inexperienced '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"sure, my state might be well run, but we don't need you wisconsins. Shoo!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And how easy was transportation back then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I'm ok with no wisconsiners...jk '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... according to my history, our original constitutional arrangement were that there shall be freedom of movement unless parliament... oh wait.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'But seriously dealing in overblown exaggerations doesn't help your argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'concentration of power in ever-larger 'blocks' means less and less representative governance'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get nothing but grief from that'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask the EU how well it's turning out'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'power really equates to money or the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another option is to split into 4-5 states'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? you have 50 states already codified in law, use it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're the perfect size'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Which goes back to demography.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the states were never meant to be independent countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Indiana in the last presidential election is a perfect example of that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of the states WERE independant countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'past tense'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it also worked out great'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some of those states wouldn't survive as they are without fiscal support'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'read up on the articles of confederation when you get the chance'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clearly no one expected the federal government to have anything remotely near the power and control they have today'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, Ohio will be one of the next shale oil locations for widespread production in the coming years.....expect another 500k barrels a day from there by 2018'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US constitution came about because of a lack of federal power'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fatuous comments to cover the lack of any basis in fact, it's like arguing Scotland couldn't survive seperation from the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US constitution was also very careful to limit federal power'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and quote primacy of the States'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scotland's an entirely different matter. They aren't taking in a large percentage in fiscal transfers'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they have oil!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or would, if they get the fields'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they receive 30% more per head of population in public spending than the rest of the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do they take more than they give?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'significantly, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, england will have no obligation to accept scots from an independent scotland, so they're trapped'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you stopped fiscal transfers in the US, there'd be economic dislocation as people left areas which had suddenly become poorer'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. red states'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I lived in Oklahoma for 15 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '100% republican yet horrible'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have free movement without fiscal transfers, bascially what you get are slums... you see that in cities, but under similar conditions, you'd get that in entire countries too'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, it could work if you have various state armies bar emigration and immigration...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but that'd be too horrible to contemplate'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it worked to an extent in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how's spain working out for you guys?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the economic problems were not caused by people movement'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and besides, they don't all speak one language. That helps...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in terms of limiting migration'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you a communist, Sonshi, suggesting that USA citizens require passports to move around inside the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but there was capital movement...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would if they broke up into 50 seperate countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reactionary comments, really, there would be migration, but not a problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, tell that to the irish.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ireland would have been fine without the global banks'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the shackles of the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'global banks, that they had the last time they had an exodus?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the last exodus from Ireland was 2008-2010'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'before that...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was a potato famine, no?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I count that as current'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't consider 1841 current'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was a fiscal competency famine'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh. the 2008- one'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now you're just deliberately feigning ignorance...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they tried to grow derivatives and the derivatives crop failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and without the ability to control their own interest rates, they had no control of their economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, currency union without fiscal transfer = bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have kept their currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try that in the US, and things would be even worse, since they all more or less speak the same language'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make any sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the spanish all spoke good english/german, you'd see lots of them moving'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"that" is uninformative'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but language aside, it'd be at least as bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless all fifty states started printing their own currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul advocates competing currencies, it would work fine'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what once happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bye bye reserve currency...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'and now I *know* that you're crazy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ron Paul is a mental-retard in regard to currencies'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wrong Zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it didn't work fine though TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when didn't it work fine?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't say he's a retard, Ron Paul advocates policies that would boost the value of his gold holdings'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'PM worked fairly well for several years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think it's so great, get ready for the currency wars of the next 12-36 months'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'post revolution, pre US unification as we currently have it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know UK deposits are devaluing at around 8% a year atm, and i'm really grateful for that, not'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when romney wins.....the whole country is going to be open for energy business.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We need DAT Fracking going on'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy boomtown nationwide.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul's gold holdings are being 'boosted' anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney probably wont win'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he bought then 20 years ago, then they're up 900% already'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but even if he did that would be a disaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Romney probably will win.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi, you saying the Ron Paul is a deceptive greedy crook in regard to multiple currencies advocation'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not in the Electoral cards'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'credit for that goes to Bernanke and Obama rather than Paul though'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose the bright spot in a romney presidency would be that austerity would be good for the global environment. When the us economy crashes, it would reduce emissions. Not the best way, but...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'disaster my ass, a comprehensive energy policy that focuses on oil and gas, and wind projects is what we need.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wind is still, what 200-250% of the cost of fossil fuels?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the started drilling every square inch of the US what difference would it make?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'A lot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oil is a global market'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote Obama, get a free phone'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the amounts are negligble'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Might be feasible if someone gets around to inventing the next generation of batteries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it would take 10 or more years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind is as cheap as coal in Texas right now, and cheaper than natgas USED to be until all the shale gas became available.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the Rizgoth trickle-down theory of a comprehensive energy policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kCc-yfoM5o'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with a pigovian tax, the market could be left to find the most efficient way to limit emissions...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more US oil would (1) lower overall oil prices and (2) change trade balances'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also..more jobs and taxes and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are multinational companies'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until the oil ran out'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-2i71bqGw&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces about 1.6 million barrels of oil right now each day....by 2016 that will be 2.5 million, and north dakota will be 1.2 million from 600k now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'leaving less oil for future generations sooner'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want to pollute your country, please do it after I've left...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and after my country finishes its climate prep'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, since the US uses less oil today than it did 5 years ago, and vehicles are getting more efficient and cleaner....it is actually less damaging to the environment thanks to technology.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could all drive prius, because electric cars are so good for the environment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why are vehicles becoming more efficient and cleaner?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'efficiency in tech is making the US much more efficient and the air cleaner compared to before.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more efficient - probably because that sells better, cleaner - gov't regulations'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'government regs also mandate efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have your guys cars caught up to EU efficiency yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ATVs, scooters, lawnmowers, are yet horrid polluters '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is heading towards an all north american energy policy....it is inevitable.....let the rest of the world fight over middle eastern oil from now on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a global market Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We can export clean natgas to our allies like the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone is competing for the same oil'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we won't fight, Russia/China will have it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global market my ass....not when canadian oil is selling for $20 under global market price, and west texas i is selling for $25 less'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as our production keeps increasing, our oil prices have stabilized here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth seems to be obsessed with his ass'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US oil production has increased for the first time in 20 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pedestal perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't tell Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote UKIP'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Romney never said Oil production hasn't increased.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the big US oil companies are already applying for permits to build some lng plants on the gulf coast to export some of our excess natgas to Europe, especially the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'He did say oil production on federal lands has not increasted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Oil production decreased due to the moratorium after BP Horizon'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production on fed land has not increased, on private lands it is up 40%'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happened to the DOW today?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so those traitorous big US oil companies want to squander the NorthAmerican natgas by giving the natgas to foreigners'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, they want to sell some of our $3 natgas to the UK for $9'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nah if Romney is elected and we start drilling more, they will sell it cheap to their compatriots trust me'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how will that change in the future'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you don't seem to draw the logical conclusion'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA attempting to become energy independent, and the big Oil companies in their greed for fast early profits want to deplete the natgas reserves faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. that it is a global market'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it used to be a global market, the US and other shale oil countries have turned it on its head.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the more oil and natgas taken from the ground, the more global warming is going to increase, faster and sooner'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much has global temperatures risen in the last 16 years, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US has enough natgas from current production of shale gas for at least 120 years, and that is extracting only about 10% of the known resource.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new tech will allow more reserves to become available.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich in their greed want to hasten the onset on armageddon faster and sooner'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, Zade, answer the question'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could use some global warming here in north dakota....I miss Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let me help yuo'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/8c56ces  - latest Met Office study'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is currently 30 F cooler here in williston compared to my home in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'global cooling is required, before the glaciers all mostly disappear'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing you can do'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you may die sooner'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, just go buy a more efficient vehicle and use less fuel, it doesnt meant you stop living.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, my new truck gets 28 mpg, a big improvement over my old dodge.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these is more energy in the atmosphere these days, from the increased CO2, even if the temperatures seem the same -- and where is all that released CO2 going -- the oceans?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has over a dozen shale oil and natgas deposits that we know of, and they are spread all over the country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deb and that doesnt even include the oil shale in colorado, utah, wyoming, montana, and nebraska....which has upwards of 2 trillion barrels.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increased CO2 in the middle and upper atmosphere likely means higher temperatures in the middle and upper atmosphere -- and that translates to more atmospheric energies'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$8.75 a gallon here thanks to a weak gbp'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increased CO2 in the middle and upper atmosphere may even be maintaining even temperatures in the lower atmosphere -- but the weather is going to be far more violent'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it was rebranded 'climate change' from 'global warming''
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since one is accurate and one isn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a hotter middle and upper atmosphere is global warming'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the melting of the glaciers and polar ice caps is global warming'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'He's speeding out of control'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no he is wrapped around a lamp post '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therefore speeding doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont worry nuts, in a few years after the keystone pipeline is built, we will export some diesel to you guys....:p'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... the physics is pretty clear on this, you know... you can check absorption frequencies of CO2 and other gases, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks riz, i can't afford to get to work until then'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so go wipe out a few billion people and sort out the problem, Sonshi, kthxbye'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"climate chsange" is too ambiguous and inaccurate -- an "ice age" is also "climate change"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs to be ambiguous, zade, they don't fully understand the science'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have to kill people for your selfish needs, when everyone can get most of what they want'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well try waving your magic wand then'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you ask me for more money, i'll just tell you "i can't afford it"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're not the one the money is collected from...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i will be'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"global warming" is far more accurate than the ambiguous "climate change"  .. perhaps "global warming climate change" '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're rich, you'd pay more, if you're poor, the elimination of sales tax would help'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not what will happen, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'part of the reason for building the keystone pipeline was so that we could export some gasoline and diesel to europe to help stabilize prices over there and reduce the oil glut we have here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a good example is the levy placed on domestic energy here in order to subsidise the solar and wind industry'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what! domestic energy prices rose 17% over the last 2 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that will happen, if a govt that could implement a pigouvian tax were to do it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "global warmed climate change" '
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just call it the global corporate welfare al-gore tax, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by the time the keystone is built though, we will need another pipeline because of increased oil production in canada tar sands and north dakota, montana'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spade is a spade, after all'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you think that's a good example, you should see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i'm sure China and India will go for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it depends on implementation, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you grant each country a portion of tax-free quota on a per capita basis initially, I think you could convince them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'important thing is to get a framework in place first.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and this money does what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all these people whine about building the keystone pipeline, but because it isnt being built, the oil companies have to move the oil by tanker truck, and built more rail lines......producing more pollution compared to the pipeline.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the collecting govts can reduce sales taxes, or whatever'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's collected from whom'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'economic entities in the various countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it collected'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'through the national tax agency(ies)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, then it won't work'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. It'll work as well as any other tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be just as easily dodgable'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'harder'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just move the company source to a country not signed up'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also exports revenue'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since emissions are easier to document than profits you can just hide'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe that for a second'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can also tax goods entering the country at the same rate that they'd be taxed if it were produced in country'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's really no way to escape this tax, since it's something physical'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that without this tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh? They can implement the tax without the tax?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can tax goods inwards without this carbon tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called import tariff'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that misses the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, we dont need anymore taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't miss the point, the point is that it's unenforcable'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point is so that the pigouvian tax is applied to all goods used in the country, so that businesses don't move'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd do better to try and make each country as self sufficient as possible'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd get a better rate of return in terms of reduction in co2'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'starting with energy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starting with energy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's bad for the economy. Why ruins things when you can have the free market achieve all your outcomes and optimise growth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i live on an island, there's shittons of energy for the taking provided they stopped masturbating over pointless solar'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every country has the capacity to be energy self sufficient....just have to be creative.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your economy needs to be able to work off 0% net growth'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we need to aim for less pollution per unit of productivity, in some sense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'because the markets aren't free, they're corporate'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no economy works on 0% net growth'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or put a different way, if your model requires growth, it's not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not that I disagree that infinite growth is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney Tax Plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's nothing in the model that prevents it from working with 0 growth. But positive growth is always desirable, if it doesn't result in anything negative.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never-ending growth requires either never-endingly increasing population, never-endingly devalued currency, or requires some other country getting bled dry'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why don't you want a free lunch? Why keep shooting youselves in the foot?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already know there is too many people, and that population needs to come down'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'other people though right, not you or your family :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'free lunches are nasty, as evidenced by public school offerings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we are very far from the theoretical productive max of the planet...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike the democratic elite, i don't advocate eugenics and depopulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that seems to be exactly what you are advocating'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even without population growth, we can keep getting richer for many generations'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please correct me if I am mistaken'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not at all, if you build countries up rather than blowing them up, education tends to lead to smaller family sizes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Don't you get tired of being corrected?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'based on that model, population is set to peak around 2040'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so blowing countries up is bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blowing up countries is bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'out per capita productivity is many times higher than it was a hundred years ago, and there's no reason not to strive for more, while removing bad outcomes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who would be more likely to blow a country up? Romney or Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err... output'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone with a military.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is so bad about large populations?  Just expand into the oceans, and into space.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"is the earth flat or not? Gee, I don't know, both positions sound nuts"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney is calling for unlimited war in Afghanistan and more likely to go to war with Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that both?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build bigger and taller buildings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and underground'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a lot of room for expansion'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both have policies to keep the middle east destablised and fighting'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'And here we go with the fear mongering.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the iraq war was needless and illegal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'population isnt the problem....willpower to do what needs to be done is the problem.  And only a few countries seem capable of it right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the afghanistan war was needless'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why we need to enact policies that use market forces to allow expansion without killing ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the libyan intervention was needless'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the syrian intervention is fucking ridiculous, illegal, hypocritical and just downright evil'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'radon gas in underground cities is going to increase the cancer rates'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can build exhaust systems to remove the radon gas, like we do now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can be dealt with... technical details...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of the "f***ing" invalidates Tigerfutz's false opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is not fear mongering to state that Romney would be more likely to start a war with Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks for that critical assessment, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are many easy ways to expand without screwing up the planet. It isn't even expensive. It's annoying how we can't even fix relatively easy problems before they get worse just because people continue to pretend it isn't happening'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, put more radon gas above ground -- goes with the depleted uranium'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Yes it is.  You have no basis for that statement.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's worrying, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'The same thing was said about Reagan and he never pushed the button.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more than likely, a war with iran would be more likely with obama, since he is a chickenshit when it comes to foreign relations.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have to put it somewhere to make room for all the co2 we're putting in the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is Iran the US problem anyways?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just out of curiousity'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing you could do for the UK's population problem is leave the EU to gain control of immigration and make contraceptive implants a precondition for receiving welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because everyone looks to the US to solve world problems.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, twyst, you should leave them alone'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt, the sanctions are working quite well.....iran is producing 880k barrels of oil now, from 2.5 million per day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd left them alone in the 1950s, you wouldn't have the ayotollahs in power now'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what is with all the rhetoric and sabre rattling from the republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and Israel'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'contraception a condition for welfare? So much for freedom...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel. Money'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's amusing, given how loudly everyone is calling for the US to stop intervening so much.  As soon as we don't do something, it's all "OMG, do something!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with freedom, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the rate iraq is going though....iraq will be producing 10 million barrels or more each day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no ideological difference to the concept of 'duty' on alcohol, cigarettes, fuel'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'financial disincentive for behaviour you're trying to discourage'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there is, because those on welfare often need to to, well, not die'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(need it to)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you trying to tell us all that having a contraceptive implant will kill them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, but what if they refuse?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they don't get welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then no welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, there's the difference'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no job no welfare, no implants, no welfare...works for me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to pay the alcohol tax, I don't have to sell it to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so there's a clear difference there...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an alternative. Adopt'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and volunteering at a local shelter would be considered a job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether yit is acceptable or not is one thing, but it's still an enchroachment on liberties...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare you!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the irish, jews, catholics, going to like this welfare-contraception policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would try and claim infringement on liberties while defending the NDAA, removal of freedom of speech, lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though in this case, i just disagree, you can have kids, just don't expect the rest of us to pay for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'me, defend the removal of freedom of speech? What alternate universe do you live in, and how many virgins are waiting for you there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'And I don't even remember what the NDAA is...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mustafah Pee and his friends have the monopoly on the world's remaining 4 virgins, so no go there'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'National Defence Authorisation Act'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's just a name, I don't know what's in it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of the idea, other than reducing population, is to make treatment equal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda like the Patriot Act ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NDAA? US government can 'disappear' US citizens, without due process, imprison or execute them'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the patriot act is stupid, should repeal it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but anyway - removing freedom is bad, okay, unless there's some offsetting benefit...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the alternative here in the UK is just to do away with all financial incentive to breed, all child benefits'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, back home we can't get enough kids...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare isn't a safety net here, it's viewed as an 'entitlement', and that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is often the problem with socialism'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you only think you have too many because your economy is crap now'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in the US just open a foster home.....get the state to charter you, and then collect the fat foster child checks from the state and federal govt....something like $1000 each kid.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per month'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'step 1. Ban abortion, step 2. limit contraceptives, step 3. promote abstinence only sex ed, step 4. complain about poor children'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kids will get full medicare benefits, food stamps, and ssi, as will you as their foster guardian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and food stamps is up to $200 per month per person now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the alternatives are to hire govt workers directly to care for the kids, or to throw them by the roadside'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our land can support 25 mil'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our energy infrastructure can support 65 mil'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your land can support many times that. All a question of tech'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and oddly, most of us here don't want to live like cattle'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'build higher'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with the foster child program...itis a good program....I just have a problem with people having 8 of their own kids and then asking the govt to help them with food and welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the question as always TN, who leaves?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried that, failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want to live in a city, close to all the services and jobs, instead of the countryside... what can be done?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's actually been tried twice'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, i hate cities'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tried building hi-rise in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Most were pulled down and/or are slums'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN Agenda 21 is all about forcing the same thing again, but with the difference of enforcement by taking control of all the land'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a question of competence. Our high rises are decent'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod we call em tenements here in the US....where the free housing is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't about the quality of the buildings. They were built as social housing. Initially social housing was given to people with jobs and references. In 1976 they removed that and said that they should be given to people in need. Within 5 years they'd turned into slums'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high crime, drugs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most people back home live in public housing... all high rises'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't mean this to sound prying, but what age group are you in, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'student'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahhh'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not mature student'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'closer to 30'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but student sounds better'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz and i are a little older than you, i guess we've just .... lived through more stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've studied more though! Probably.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a generational divide, i'm the younger cusp of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'public housing has the potential to be safe, clean, and economical. You just need to build better infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we didn't just stick high rises in the middle of nowhere, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with public housing -here- was not the housing or the infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was due to flaws in society'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the location....public housing in Alaska is safe and a good low cost place to live for people.  But alaskans have more pride I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you also have to build the commercial areas, the subways, roads, police stations, fire stations, hospitals...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were all there, like i said'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it also very much depends on whether they own or rent their units'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you can sell your flat, you will take better care of it. That's how it is...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that certainly won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and section 8 program is a good program....the rent cant be more than 30% of your income.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average 1 bed flat here costs 6x the average salary'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure it will, if you can sell it, there's a big incentive to make sure the price is food'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, good'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, some subsidy would be in order for smaller flats, of course...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the subsidy would need to be 2/3 the price of the flat'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's still a tinbox'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's public housing after all, no need to make a large profit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're geared up to crank out flats regularly, they'll cost less to build too'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they get better over time, as they gain experience...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should build a shit ton of social housing here to force down the property market'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they won't, because it would deflate the housing market'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's so much land in the uk, just crank out housing units'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Uk are fully signed up to Agenda 21, you can't so much as take a shit on a piece of land here'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you certainly can't build'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just hold down the price increase, inflation will allow for the real price to drop without a nominal increase'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why building land price is so expensive'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt can'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your govt isn't doing something don't blame the UN'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do, in conjunction with monopoly property corps'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country is part of the UN too, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they crank out housing units'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Doesnt seem to be a problem in NYC....they just keep building taller buildings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among other things'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN (or EU) is providing the excuses for my country to blame'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we had a 50 storey public housing development recently... sky gardens and all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'great view, probably.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, it's all excuses. Blame your govt, not the UN.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your govt has the power to do stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should build a babylon station.....it could orbit around the planet....and have 5 million people living on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably cheaper to just build higher, for now'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we should do is pack you lot all off to, i dunno, the western seaboards in your cramped megacities, and leave the rest of the country to us country folk'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but in the future... that'd be nice'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as all your oil and coal doesn't wipe us out!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil and coal won't wipe you out, but it will keep your lights on'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, wouldnt worry about the oil and gas.....it is becoming more efficient as time goes by.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar and wind can't keep up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not many countries preparing for a 2m sea level increase in the next century...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only us and a few others...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore wouldn't have spent $9 million on a mansion on the coast at sea level near San Fran if there was to be a 2m sea level rise'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there will be a new ice age long before the oceans get much higher...which means more fresh water in the form snow and ice instead of in the oceans...and thus a lower ocean.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a hotter middle and upper atmosphere means that the ice and glaciers on the mountain tops may melt faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's already happening a little. Unfortunately for us, it tends to be more obvious near the equator...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt surprise me if we had a mini ice age in the next 30 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the ocean currents slow down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw somewhere i'd like to live in the paper today, but they wanted $1.6m for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's desirable, it tend to cost a lot'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how surprising, isn't it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(err, tends)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens with overpopulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather have 1000 acres right on top of a shale oil deposit. :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, halve the population and you'll get half the number of desirable units...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how some companies are stealing the rights from owners, I'm not sure you do'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in some places, you can sell it to them cheap, or they can take it legally by claiming you don't want to deal'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is already less than 1 acre per head of population in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty desperate'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not everyone wants to live on a farm...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that's what you get for letting in those overbreeding foreigners'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: '>1 acre = a farm?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the problem, because of people who don't want to live on farms, the people who DO want to live on farms... can't afford to live on farms'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(yeah, i wasn't going to point that out, Krynal)'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you'd rather pay someone to mow your lawn, it's probably a farm.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd have more than 1 acre, since most people will live in cities'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if more people wanted to live on farms, they'd be more expensive, you know'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Huh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'supply and demand, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large portion of the country is national park, unesco, or government run, so in actual fact it's more like 0.2 acres per person'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, hence too many people'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'No, I get what you are saying... I'm just baffled by your reasoning.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get shot of them, please'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, but with most people living in cities, the amount of land per person who actually wants to live in the countryside is much larger'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can all go live in your hi-rise megacity1 socialist paradise'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't work like that in reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too much population, too much demand on the land'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and unless they're all single, that also adds to the amount of land per household...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the property prices disagree with your assessment'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who do you think builds the farmer's machinery? Roads? electric supply?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you hate it so much, why dont you leave>'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mostly city dwellers...'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where am I going to, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'City dwellers mostly bottom-feed'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'somewhere less populated'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like....'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'somalia, I hear they have little govt interference. No stupid UN too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the us'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'siberia!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't for the police state, i would consider it'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, somailia then'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll wait until after your revolution'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'somalia has no police state!'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no wonder you want Romney elected :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution is more likely with Obama, actually'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the pussy dictator?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he is the man who is simultaneously everything lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be the cocaine he takes'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a fundamental christian-muslim'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'weak ineffectual leader, who will take over the free world'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's someone else's problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, and 8 megawatt offshore wind turbine.....'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Utica formation holds recoverable reserves equal to 5.5 billion barrels of oil and 15.7 trillion cubic feet of gas, assuming drillers can extract 5 percent of the hydrocarbons in place.  A total value of about $ 500 billion at current prices.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is that a lot or a little?'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'a fair amount'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a decent size fir a shale deposit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is under Ohio.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google 'tax' and nothing comes up'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Will Self on Paul Ryan: I would never tire, even after breaking my foot, of kicking that man in the balls'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Will Smith, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In August 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a lower courts ruling that anything that was manufactured overseas is not subject to the first-sale principle. Only American-made products or copies manufactured domestically were.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US supreme court will hear orals on the issue this month.  If they agree, copyrights will be held over to original owners and resellers would be obliged to share any resale with them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the resell market would be destroyed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it depends on which way big business tells Scalia and Roberts to vote eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bye bye resell'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it all started because some thai student had his relatives in thailand buy cheap textbooks and mail them to him to be sold on craigslist and ebay....the guy made $1.2 million in reselling the text books, and the original publisher wanted a piece of the action.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even though they already got their cut, gotta love capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it also shows the hypocracy of value....in thailand, the book might be sold for $5, and in the US, for $150.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like arbitrage to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same thing with medicine, it is much cheaper in other nations compared to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its obviously greed'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Oil shale was one of the first sources of mineral oil used by humans. Its earliest recorded use was in Switzerland and Austria in the early 14th century. In 1596, the personal physician of Frederick I, Duke of W|rttemberg wrote of its healing properties. Shale oil was used to light the streets of Modena, Italy at the turn of the 17th century.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are trillions of barrels of the stuff in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the question is how exploitable it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is interesting that the US has about 60% of the oil shale reserves in the whole world.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also these aren't proven reserves, just estimates'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as technology gets better, more of it will become recoverable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats true, but its driven by the cost of oil'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these current high prices support exploration, it might not be economically feasible at lower prices'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canadian tar sands are recoverable at $22 a barrel right now....down from $60 5 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil shale is about the same right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some oil shale needs higher prices though...like the huge deposits in colorado and utah...they need $120 barrel oil to extract right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saudi arabia and kuwait produce their oil at a price of $1 a barrel to compare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the top 6 of the 10 largest shale oil deposits in the world are in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banana boat sunscreen recalled due to.... fire risk?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dutch parliament proposes powers allowing police to hack into computers anywhere in the world and steal or destroy data '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime up 18%, housing prices down 2%, unemployment up 388,000 a week'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i can't imagine why housing prices would continue to slowly drop after a housing bubble burst'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lokathor boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd think it'd go down faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'growth model finally busted ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's burst but hasn't realised it yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like wile-e-coyote after he's ran off a cliff, but is still in mid air running'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice analagy '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sandra Flue campaign stop draws 10 people'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sandra Flute ? explain ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Sandra Fluke'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, twisted fingers means typing mistakes'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'twisted mind - sama sama'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'type of crazy genetic retrobate that should be expunged from politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'she became famous when Rush Limbaugh called her a slut for wanting employer covered contraceptive medical plans'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, nods'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's a crazed democrat feminist'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'makes some sense - if they promise that if they breed  claims are vioded n backpaid - maternal leave is a killer imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find it odd that for the very most part, feminists are anti-womens rights'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'projection ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've stated that you are against over population'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't this help keep the population down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am - breeding should be a privelage - not a right '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't what help?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'insurance covered contraceptives'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'welfare cheques should be handed out with reversable stralization imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about her specific argument that employers should pay for contraception? no, i don't agree, unless your job is a prostitute'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I didn't already know you were a nazi, I'd know it now..'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't eat unless subsidised - don't breed more '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'her argument wasn't that employers should provide contraception'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'her argument was that insurance should provide contraception'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm sure that insurance could build in a fee to recover contraception costs + RU486 if not ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your employer is providing your insurance, it amounts to the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just lemme guess - no agency wants to go first ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance won't go for it unless there's a demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Rann ? Nazi - me ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and aren't going to do it free since it'll cost them money'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was addressing a double standard, in that insurace covered subsidized viagra'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't agree with that, though it could be because viagra treats a medical problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's splitting hairs and you know it :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, there' a cheaper method of contraception that medication'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol over a barrel then - insurance thinking those on viagra wont breed because of age '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. You were channeling hitler there. Except he would have based in on race, but that's the same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're always going to offer the cheapest message'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheapest form of contraception? abstention '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or anal sex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in nature the strongest breeds .. in a capatalist society  .. should morror nature ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really relevent, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mirror ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'abstinence is fine in practice'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it works about 0% of the time in real life'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was standing against a Nazi charge - brought nature to the party - Gaia kicks ass imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a trendy thing to sell'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we are going to have selective breeding, which may or may not be a good idea, it should be based on something else than who has money and who doesn't, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is pushing selective breeding?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(other than both wings of traditional politics)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the current climate is money mate - I don't like it but it is the prevailing culture and it is on the surface organic - supply n demand - we have little demand for welfare recipinets immo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you get different things in different countires'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'good to see sp is not only me - but we live in times where we pay dysfunctional ppl to breed - that is wrong imo - call me Nazi all you  want I don't take tags '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only a lefty would call you that, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I was a Neo Nazi - I am not anymore - '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a culture of welfare dependance and entitlement doesn't make a strong society, it makes a destroyed society'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you paid for that neo-nazi label off the internet'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hence the rise of the east and the decline of the west - where are the "artistic benifits" of a bohemian life the west would allow under welfare ? hollywood ? Bah !'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, riots if Obama loses?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there won't be riots'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i agree, you need a flashpoint'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's just rumours from clearly fake accounts, spread by some evil fellow called Jones? :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You paid for that neo nazi  label off the net .. explain that ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just another 4-8 years of disproportionally favoring the extremely wealthy and depending on their generosity'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it'll be a bit worse than that since food prices are about to rocket'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on top of a devaluing currency'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tiger - '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You paid for that neo nazi  label off the net .. explain that ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Food (and energy) inflation isn't real!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about the way people throw labels like that at people willynilly, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern equivalent of getting phd's off the back of a cereal packet'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh OK soz mate was thinking otherwise - yeah look I still have race speffic views - but they are based on personal likes\dislike s rather than on dogma '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you aren't allowed to talk about issues, Tzad, it's racist'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how the limousine liberals close down debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'does racism exist?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undoubtedly, though not on a scale that some want to make the rest of us believe'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like White .. some white girls like black guys - there are websites devoted to em n every other perversion - I am natural imo - lol (with additives)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'point in case'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're going to vote for Obama cos he black?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'black girls are the best'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as another good example)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is voting for Obama because he is black?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never do away with base human tribalism'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tribalism isn't the problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large number of black people, apparently, including black celebrities'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what %age of black people voted for clinton?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, i'm sure the stats exist somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'over 90%'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine most black people didn't vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I imagine it was because he was black right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was there a black alternative to vote for?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I hark back to a deb I had the other night that were I a buisness owner in my old stomping grounds I would not hire a Oz black becuase of the problems associated with the race in the reigon - does not speak for all blacks everywhere - just a situation in central Oz atm '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so to prove they are not voting for Obama because he is black they should vote against him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty weak logic'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, your logic is weak'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'black people and minorities in general have voted for democratic candidates for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but now because they are voting for Obama they are "reverse racists"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you claim black people voted clinton because they're not racist as a counterexample to obama when there was no black candidate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm saying it is a confounding variable'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they didn't vote for Obama because he was black, or JUST because he was black'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand the political bias, twyst, but that doesn't change the fact that black celebrities are using it as a selling point'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is beyond a wash'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be no different to white right-wing celebrities coming out and saying "voting for romney cos he's white"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that racist?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Usually 80-85% of blacks vote democrat, in 2008 about 95%? voted for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'might be conincidence, of course'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'minus one n..'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vote Coca Cola - buy it - vote ikea - buy it - democracy is a dollar a vote - imo it is a parady of itself we all "choose " to believe because we can't fix it while we work in jobs that have us back a status quo - so busy touching you toes you don't realise the assrape imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would bet my life savings that the number of people who voted for Obama because he was black, were beyond counteracted by the people who didn't for the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite possibly'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't make it any less divisive'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I contend that modern politics is a distraction '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a long way from where we started tho'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'politics was awesome in the beginning because everyone who was different was excluded TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that sums up your position, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'am I wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so ? run a terrorist flag at one end of the contry and then at the other end of the contry and watch your enemy bankrupt themselves chasing you ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it's historically accurate, no'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was a quote from a leading Al Quida figure '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'truth is the sword is now the dollar .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not for long'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'will be resource protection imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's a very blunt weapon caused by airdropped pallets of dollars on people'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy - hitler rose to power on the back of economic collapse and preaching to the lowest common denominator - jeez they only get active when thier TV is cut - will be the same again imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably about right'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reduce those numbers now with sellective breeding imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be interesting to see what happens when the food stamps stop'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't pay for yourself - can't pay for a kid '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'will speed up the demise of this system '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't pay for yourself - can't pay for a kid '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if that line makes me a Nazi then so be it '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not gonna subsidise "loafs" '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'life is in general a zero sum game'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the government's purpose to subsidise people's lives, nor is it their purpose to tell people what to do, what to say, what to think, and how to live their life'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there another side to the argument ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, some others have had a different idea, on both sides of the spectrum of politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why large democracies, and world government is such an epicly bad ideal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Mentor always tells me about Milton/Mettalica - for whom the bell tolls - the funneral bell tolls for us all as a little piece of humanity dies each tieme a human dies .. there has t be something to this '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'For whom the bell tolls... it tolls for thee.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - and why - yeah - mentor is smart in part - must be some thing there - I get the whole get the most out of every individual - but he11 they suck the life outta Gaia'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can do some serious stuff - must be something there '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be something of what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok we enter the insane world of UFOs - mentor can do some - extra phyisics stuff - spouts this stuff  - there must be something there ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Craig - I'm skimming'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'civic centre though ? nice safe life but ? .... die safe ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UFO's? really?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no more metaphyicical than that mate - dreamwalking '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama campaign borrows $15m from Bank of America'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why did Warren Buffet front up the cash instead, or has he spent his vast fortunes on ice cream?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why didn't, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'buffet has no cash, why should he?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurd that the highest interest rate on a savings account here is 2.5%'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anti-Muslim filmmaker won't go to court before election'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Whitehouse denies secret deal being tabled between US and Iran to delay their enrichment program'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama campaign accepted foreign Web donations'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'News Corps in talks to buy L.A Times and Chicago Tribune'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wow that would suck'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Political connections played throughout Michelles young life in Chicago. Her father, Fraser C. Robinson III, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his 20s and eventually walked with the use of crutches, was a volunteer Democratic precinct captain in addition to his job in the boiler room at Chicagos water purification plant. As Democratic precinct captain, Robinson had power and influence, given his access to street money the Daley machine freely handed out at that time in Chicagos South Side to make sure black voters turned out to vote for Democratic Party machine candidates. The Chicago sources told WND the selection of Michelle Robinson for Obama was made by Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright agreed it would be a good combination. It all relates back to Trinity United and to the Jesse Jackson orbit of blacks here in Chicago who gave Obama legitimacy and helped him establish his identity as a black man from Chicago, Robyn explained.Michelle came from a political family'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Geez.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'gah!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she was intelligent even if she didnt really like to work. Wright knew Obama was gay, but he needed the cover of a wife if he were to succeed in politics.A current member of Trinity church who has known the Obamas for 20 years, Carolyn, confirmed Trinity helped a lot of blacks get successful and connected. Thats what Wright did for Obama, she claimed. He connected Obama in the community, and he helped Obama hide his homosexuality.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'someone gag him'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit wordy for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and now you have gone off the deep end'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shld i tlk lk dis 4u u no? how dey do wit obamafones'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there a sexual-fantasy channel -- Tigernuts seems to be in the wrong channel'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there a fantasy channel (which includes sexual-fantasies) .. roleplay ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'imm, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Barack is gay, that may explain why he likes getting screwed by the republicans'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'same argument may be used to allude that republican voters are gay -- they like getting screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I disagreed with your politics TN, but I didn't think you were a conspiracy theory subscriber'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TigerNuts is a closet republican supporter slinging gay mud at Barack'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh he was obviously a republican supporter but that was pretty nuts, no pun intended'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excellent, welfare check is here :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad i missed all the mud slinging whilst i was snaffling my supper'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a libertarian supporter thanks, mr and mrs troll'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'definitely not a troll'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quack?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is hard to take you seriously when you say Obama is a closet homosexual'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say it, it was a piece done about Jesse Jackson'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well it was a wall of text, but I do believe there was some part which stated Wright helped Obama conceal his homosexuality'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that correct?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows what they got up to in their teenage years, it only needs them piss one person off and this sort of piece is the result'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't specifically claim that'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Thousands call Planned Parenthood for mammograms after Obama claim, despite them not offering that as a service'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I kind of hope Romney wins'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'PP doesn't directly offer a lot of things, instead shunting you to partners and satellites.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America's in trouble no matter who wins'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFh0nIYNAyY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was always a given.  You don't raise your debt by half without consequences, and even if you mobilized in time to try to do anything about it it won't change in as fast a fashion as it did in the original direction.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Barack was gay when Wright assisted him conceal the gayness, then since Barack is no longer gay, that indicates gayness is a curable disease, especially when concealed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might explain his insistence on Obamacare not denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'universal free healthcare. such an expense that not even obama would touch it with a bargepole'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I can't go after the healthcare insurance industry! they pay my campaign fees!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Obamacare was any good, there would not be any reason to have as many exceptions as it's got.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'repeal and replace'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't tell you what I would replace it with, and we'll keep everything people like about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems like a common refrain'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"universal free *basic* healthcare" -- no expensive cosmetic,  no expensive life-extension, procedures '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weight loss wouldn't be covered by that, Zade.  And I think there's still some rumbling going on for a fat tax (some companies now even will fire you for not taking care of yourself, or drop you out of the running for raises/promotions).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap and required: yes, expensive or cosmetic: nope.  and debate/haggle/prorate the inbetween gray areas'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'universal healthcare requires rationing, which immediately renders it unfit for purpose'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretty sure nutritionists and therapy wouldn't, either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the obesity epidemic is a self-inflicted deathstyle choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not entirely true'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a combination of factors including sedentary lifestyle, poor quality nutrition, poor quality food, and chemical pollution'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and an inability to process iodine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"nutritionists" are confidence trickers and exaggerated liars -- nutrition is important but "professional nutritionists" (depending on customers) use too much hype'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems we have a conspiracy theorist in the house'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention that they use pseudoscience, and that they use observational studies as proof'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dr Oz is a hype-ster'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That include government agencies that recommend dietary choices'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just can't watch Dr Oz, he's so full of bs'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is inexpensive nutrition, and there is overpriced nutrition with lots of excess hype and bs'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And then there is food.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the cheapest way to be nutritious is to buy organic.  It's even better not to buy at all and just grow your own, but manufacture eats up %300 of any savings you got from that by requiring far more time and effort (which, like raiders say, people generally don't have anymore).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer eating food. Nutrition is not needed as long as we eat food. Real good. The stuff we have been eating for millions of years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic does not guarantee nutritious'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dr Oz caters to those able to afford to spend thousands of extra dollars per year on the hyped products recommended on his show -- some products are okay in inexpensive moderation, others products are a hole in the pocket'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'arsenic and cyanide are 100% natural and organic :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only in certain forms'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and to say that buying organic is "the cheapest way" is pretty amusing'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when the majority organic products and outlets triple the price of goods the moment they slap that label on'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'soime "organic" foods may suffer from lack of hygeine and disease-control'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just eat the stuff we've been eating for a long time, that we are adapted to. Animals, fruit and vegetables. Preferrably organic and preferrably animals that eat a natural diet (e.g. grass for cows).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the cheap non-organic chemicalized food is down to like 25% nutrients compared to Depression-era foods.  Just by removing those and doing nothing else, you can improve nutrition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Almost never bying things with a label is a good way to get healthy food :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mass-produced government-regulated-for-hygeine assembly-line produced food is usually free of "organic diseases" in Canada -- unsure about the corrupt make=a-buck-fast USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you will get a much better return if you also build the soil health up, because healthy soil (microbes) lead directly to healthy plants, and healthy plants affect everything else in the food chain.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern humans must eat raw vegetables and raw fruit-vegetables these days -- processed foods are often devitalised'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that different from non-modern humans?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but even raw our food no longer has enough nutrition to sustain us.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would you eat "processed" foods, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'take supplements'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, if you are recommended to eat, say, 6 helpings of fruits and veggies you should probably be eating like 12.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rare minerals in the soil are what is important to plant nutrition -- when modern over-farming does not replace those rare minerals, the food-quality drops'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are people so lazy they can't even be bothered to cook their own meals anymore?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, yuna, frequently they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then they deserve to die early. Seirously, it doesn't take that long to cook a healthy meal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cooking removes nutrients too'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As long as you possess rudimentary multitasking skills, you can cook a healthy meal in, like, 20 minutes, tops.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are recommended 0.5 kg (1 pound) of fruit and veggies per day, and most people don't reach that. That is weird imho, I probably eat twice that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by 12, I mean 12 raw servings.  Any type of preparation that alters the rawness removes nutrients, so you have to eat even more.  Just to intake 100% nutrients, you have to make yourself fat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not all veggies are better raw. Some of them have more nutrients when gently cooked or fermented, e.g. the cabbage family.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a small amount of specific raw vegetables per day is usually sufficient --  the expensive 12 servings per day is expensive hype or the vegetables fruits are extremeely devitalised'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea cabbage is good against cancer too'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, you lose nutrients, but cooking the food enables you to get more of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, "have more" is incorrect, just that the nutrients are more bioavailable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Seltsimees Dagnir, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I love saurkraut, I eat loads of it (made myself, of course).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the hell is allegedly suggestions 12 servings of vegetables and fruits? The vegetable and fruits lobby?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Most vegetarians/vegans don't even that much fruits/veggies a day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It has made wonders for my tummy, I poop like a rock star now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ranrr: Like a rock star? What, violently?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'juiced clean raw cabbage (with juiced clean carrots for safe dilution) is 200x more potent than cooked cabbage'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I dunno, just heard that expression....'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who drinks cabbage juice?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is recommending 12.  But that's the calculation for the typical type of intake.  It's based on the nutrient levels of modern foods (ie, the chemicalized non-organic stuff) compared to those SAME foods grown 50-70 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most people just seem to eat a shitload of grains... which is a food we are not adapted to eating.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'bleached grains'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'juiced clean rutabagas (with juiced clean carrots and cabbage for safe dilution) is extremely potent for healing bone and teeth difficulties'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And we are especially not adapted to the new wheat that was invented in the 70s'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crazy as it sounds< Hans and Ranrr are both right'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've destroyed our soil health trying to maintain yields, and this leads to lesser-quality food to begin with.  Since we don't usually eat our food in the most-advantageous forms, we require supplements.  Without supplements, we need to simply eat more food.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thus people get fat because they crave nutrition'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"*specific*" raw vegetables for specific healing and maintenance'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, people get fat because they're lazy idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most fat people eat junk food , so not filling that nutrition'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sick and tired of the "I need to eat this much to survive!" excuse. No you friggin' don't!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what Modi said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they eat rubbish food because they can't be bothered to cook, and they buy rubbish food because they'd rather spend their money on fags, booze, and sky tv. Such is a life as a welfare dependant'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what socialism does to a society :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never heard of somebody's body screaming for food because they allegedly haven't had their daily required intake of vitamins or something.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mostly, it's their body wanting sugar, processed fat and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'btw, I just wanted to say that I eat pizza for dinner every day and I'm not fat. I usually add some olives too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hey, im not on welfare:p'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my statements don't even bother including those people Yuna.  This JUST applies to healthy eating.  If you aren't taking pills, you literally have to eat yourself fat to reach all the nutrition recommendations.  The ideal food intake stuff that most of us don't bother listening to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you fat, Modi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican greedy capitalism does far worse to society than socialism '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'a little:p'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and I don't eat pizza every day because I'm lazy, I do it because it's my favourite!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different poison, different symptoms Zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both kill societies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep telling yourself that Tigernuts. It's funny how you keep harping on about how anyone who doesn't share your political views is a socialist on welfare when pretty no one on this MUD who don't share your political views has EVER been on welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone grab Yuna's pills, he's beginning to froth'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican greedy capitalism results in a starving USA populace with poor teeth -- like those inbred hillbillies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe the commonly adopted phrase is "Corporate Fascism", Zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm willing to bet poor dental hygiene in the U.S. is due to high dental care costs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that could have to do with the inbreeding too'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How much is a simple dental check-up over there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'my teeth are fine and ive been to a dentist once in 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '~300 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican greedy capitalism with no medicare for the working poor -- starving tooth-missing cripples galore'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Was that a joke, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I look like I'm laughing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's seriously messed up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that sounds about right'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have free dental care (which includes braces for cosmetic reasons) up 'til one turns 21 and then a check-up costs, like, 150 bucks or something, at most.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i broke a tooth on a seed or something and it cost me $1200 to get fixed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think a dental checkup in the US is more like $60. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that's only for the most expensive, private dental options.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '600 for a check-up?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without dental insurance, I pay $150.  I haven't shopped around (longtime family dentist), and when I first took over payment it was like $100.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Someone once said that the doctors excuse their ludicrous prices with "We get sued so much we need the money!". So... dentists get sued frequently for improperly done check-ups?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they get sued for raping their patients'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have a broken tooth.. not looking forward to get robbed when having that fixed... :('
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'd do it now, the longer you wait, the more it'll hurt, trust me'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wonder them medical lobby is fighting tooth and nail against Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can't have Obama taking away their 600 dollar 30 minute procedures!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I've been putting it off for a while, so I think it will hurt... probably need to have it pulled and replaced... *yikes*'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i had to get a root canal is all, but it sucked, they couldnt get it numb at first'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Were they 8 yearolds?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rannr: juiced clean rutabagas (with juiced clean carrots and cabbage for safe dilution) is extremely potent for healing teeth difficulties'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the hell eats rutabaga anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is that like a turnip? i like those in stew'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is nothing like a turnip'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I said $60 looking online It seems 80-150 for a simple cleaning.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thanks, but I don't think it will heal a tooth where half has split away and fallen off....'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like a parsnip, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats how mine was'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'got my teeth cleaned like 3 weeks ago, it was 250 ish'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it varies I guess'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Been having trouble with that tooth for 20 years, so I guess it's time to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Found a Group deal for a check-up, cleaning and polishing for 12 bucks last week. I was so happy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the $150 was just a recent deal.  A year ago I was paying $108 or so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'my brother had a pretty awful tooth thing turn sinus infenction, he was in pain for like 6 months, even after medical attention'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"juiced" converts vegetables into a drink form -- there is one caveat: the intestinal flora must be friendly with all that influx of juiced vegetable sugars'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much what we pay in Sweden past the age of 21 for a check-up + cleaning, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm due for x-rays, though, and paid very-nearly minimum wage now it's going to destroy me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, I don't worry too much about the cost or the pain of the procedure, I am just worried the doctor will yell at me for not coming earlier. I'd pay premium if I knew the doctor would not do that :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if stomach cramps and pains result from drinking raw vegetable juices -- then either the external and or internal hygeine was bad -- so swig on hot louisiana red pepper sauce'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I have genetically-superior teeth, though, so I don't worry about anything but the cost when I go every 6 months.  If it weren't for the general disgustingness of it, I wouldn't even need to brush my teeth.  Just let the dentist do it for me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent teeth depend on decent nutrition'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and prob flossing/brushing a bit'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer not to juice stuff, it's not something we have been able to do for a long time, so I consider that a new food. I prefer getting the nutrients in their original package, with fibers and all the shebang.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I prefer to listen to the mouth doctor who told me I had genetically-superior teeth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, for tooth health I recommend reading the research from Weston Price, it's interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Suddenly I feel an overwhelming need to brush my teeth... wonder why... '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern toothpastes are far superior these days in that some additives prevent (or delay) decay for up to twelve hours when the diet is healthy with rare minerals and vitamin D (Colgate Total) '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ancestral diets are far superior in that they don't cause tooth decay'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, I don't actually NEED tooth-cleaning products for actual tooth-health purposes.  Only reason I do use them is for comfort (food stuck in the gumline can get infected) and propriety (bad breath is offensive).  If it wasn't for that, I'd never brush/floss/use mouthwash.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No animal, including man, needs to brush his teeth to maintain tooth health, if they eat a natural diet they are adapted to. Tooth decay is bascically a byproduct of modern diet, and started more or less with agriculture.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'refined sugar'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bollocks. we just live too long'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and grains, and legumes'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'teeth were totally fine during the entire duration of average life span in the past'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so...my daily intake of 2 liters of soda isn't affecting tooth health in my case?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be true, Dagnir, if skeletons found with humans above average age, showed the same tooth decay as modern men at that age. It doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't get me wrong, soda helps'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In fact, there are pretty much no skeletons found with tooth decay from before agriculture.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'citation needed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Weston Price'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Google weston price foundation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's all there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And others can be found on pubmed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, these guys look "a little" biased'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'scientific study, maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Read the original research by Weston Price'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, holistic research'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can you give me a peer reviewed scientific study?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(a peer reviewed study not funded by vested interests)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vincent Price,  Weston Price,  perhaps a trend'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Weston Price foundation was founded after the research was done, but you can choose to ignore it if you want.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyways, I don't have time to check for papers right now, but they are there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, coal is still very important in the U.S.?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the heck are people so desperate to be coal miners anyway? Is it because they can't find any other means of employment? Do you lack any kind of professional skill whatsoever? I mean, seriously, it's not a glamourous or well-paying job. It's dangerous (cave-ins, etc.) and long-term employment will almost inevitably lead to medical conditions (such as Black Lung Diease). It's not clean.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, seems they like.. electricity...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, how many people in this day and age still use coal in their everyday life?! I'm not trying to talk smack at coal miners. Most of them most probably are very nice people. I just don't get the whole "Save our coal mines!!!!", "No anti-coal legislation!!!!", "Coal coal coal!!!!"-thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do YOU use coal to heat your house or get electricity, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'omg '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not as much now thanks to more Natgas supplies being recently found, but coal is still something like 2/3rds of our energy base.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is bashing coal miners?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I live in a civilized country :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I wonder what the average IQ level is on this channel. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Most electricity comes from coal. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not everywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only people who actually use coal are pretty much people who barbecue, people who live in the woods and factories.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Do you use electricity?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(and power plants, of course)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the overwhelming majority of the world's power generation comes from coal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden is pretty much 50% hydro and 50% nuclear.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not saying coal isn't valuable. I'm wondering why the coal workers are so up and arms about it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still heavily used in developing countries as a primary heat source'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are they up in arms about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People are all "Don't legislate against coal! That'll lead to greedy companies laying off people!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama made it a campaign promise to bash coal miners.  He somewhat followed through by making it prohibitive to open up new mines and coal-run powerplants.  His intent was to move us to alternative energy, but "If you elect me, I'm going to bankrupt the coal industry!" probably wasn't a very good idea.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you need to legislate against coal? Leave it alone'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I agree, it will be phased out by the market, no need to put more weight on it. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right. Just make it pay for the pollution, and alternatives will arise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can legislate against it once solar and other forms of clean energy become competitive.  %18 efficacy is not competitive with a product that at its least-efficient form is putting out at least three times that much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much what I meant by "leagislation agaisnt it".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why isn't the U.S. more nuclear?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurd'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Three-mile Island, basically.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Hard to get Permits and start-up costs are ridiculous. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying you can never erect any new skyscrapers due to 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you scare the shit out of a couple hundred million people, bad things will ultimately follow.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'takes like 10 years to break even'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and 3MI didn't even get to the Chernobyl point.  There wouldn't even be any power plants had that happened.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, nuclear ones, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we almost had a nuclear meltdown a year ago, and out power plants are 40 years old... but nobody is too worried.... except the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You are not reffering to that vaccum cleaner now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'coupled with the fact our near-miss happened in the densest-populated part of the US, it's pretty easy to see why they don't embrace nuclear power more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that was just the tip of an iceberg'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'They were testing pressure inside reactor. A nuclear meltdown couldn't happen during those circumstances.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Nuclear Power is much safer now than it was 20 years ago. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But yeah, a vacuum cleaner almost caused a nuclear meltdown. They were minutes from dropping the core.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'New(er) nuc plants are basically immune to meltdown'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the fuck did they place a nuclear power plant in a densely populated area, anyway?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right. Our plants are not new.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Because it looks so nice?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kind of ironic that a mere 110 volt (or whatever is the euro equivalent) broke the camel's back at a power plant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thorium reactors are immune to meltdown*'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's 230 here'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. euro equivalent of a volt :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '110V is still 110V in the eu ;)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '110V in US is 27 pounds in EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is the only country the world to use 110V, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Japan'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Japan only uses it because they're so short'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'firstly, it wasn't as populated and they thought there was plenty of room to keep 3MI isolated.  Secondly, the baby boom was still running at somewhat-high capacity and zoning commissioners were all "Why the fuck aren't we using all that land?!".  Thirdly, when 3MI was built the civilian population didn't really make the connection yet that you didn't need a large bomb to have fallout so there wasn't that (perceived) sense of danger associated with nuclear power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... a bit slow, are we today?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never understood what people have against Coal power'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'chores gave me lag, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not against coal power as whole. I just find this whole "There's a war against coal miners!" debacle ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never heard the comment before'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's certainly a war against coal power stations'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because it's pretty new.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can thank the epitomy of sovereignty and democracy "The UN" for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were several research studies showing the devastating effects of acid rain on forests'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They needed studies to ascertain that acid rain is bad for trees?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some coal plants caused acid rain'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do realise that the sum total of emissions from modern clean coal burners is co2 and water vapour, zade? '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the acid rain study was done mid last century'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was from sulphur dioxides, '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely from petrol and diesel engines'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in a whole different millennia'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's technically not against the miners.  It's more against the power companies.  A good analogy is the war in the middle east.  You hate the government, not the soldiers.  But the suits aren't over there shooting holes in "civilians".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but also from just about any burning process'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's my point, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'forests are also devastated by nitrous oxides '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People are all "Think about the coal miners!" - No, why? It's not about them. if they get laid off, it's because the greedy coal companies want to earn some more money than they're already earning. No coal company is actually losing money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looking for your point, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my point, though, is that you can't work against one without affecting the other.  You take away coal and suddenly you are DIRECTLY impacting the miners you supposedly aren't hating on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, so WHAT if you lose your job as a coal worker? It's like you're proudly stating that it's all you're capable of being: A coal miner. It's a BAD job. It will inevitably KILL you or at least seriously shroten your lifespan.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the whining is from the coal companies execs'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hanslanda is correct'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody's taking away coal.''
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why we're working so hard to develop cleaner energies, yes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the whining is from the coal companies execs that are bribing/scaring the coal workers '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let's put it in the form of analogy. You have 3 companies providing portable music players. You decided you didn't like Apple products, so you put a large tax burden on them, they lose money and shed jobs'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some coal miner's family was protesting with signs. Wife and 2 kids. The daughter's sign proclaimed she was proud of her coal miner father. Sure. I'd be proud of a guy who apparently has no skill besides manual labour and who makes close to minimum wage and who'll inevitably die much sooner than most people who AREN'T coal miners as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those job losses are a direct result of your policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is no different with COal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody is LOSING money on coal!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They are only MAKING less money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the whining is from the coal companies execs that are bribing/scaring the coal workers into also whining sycophantic cowardly dogs of selfish greed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't quite think you understand the concept of free markets, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'of course, like I said, it's hard to compete against something that's three times as productive as you are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't quite think you understand the concept of NOT LYING, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'few people will downgrade like that, and of those that do swap up many will swap back after realizing they fell for more hype.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the coal miners family were paid actors recently hired/bribed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or idiots. I think they're just idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Who do you think you are, that inquisitor from Harry Potter 5?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '5? How many are there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '7, elf'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'wow'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because I'm calling people idiots?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many, many more than you see on the news.  You can count on a really large group of silent supporters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because they're idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, how about trying to find better jobs for their friends and family? Coal mining is a hazardous, near-toxic and low-paying job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'different industries shrink and grow as technology and society progresses... get over it...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you get off telling people what they should and shouldn't be doing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'any extraction type business should pay extra taxes equivalent to slightly more than the estimated environmental cost of their activities, imo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If someone can't find any job BESIDES being a coal miner, then it sucks for them. But they really should try to find other jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sadly, more available education and knowledge doesn't make people more intelligent :('
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Instead of spending time and energy protesting Obama's policies to support alternate (clean) energy, let's try to spend our time doing something productive instead of trying to protect the capitals gains of our corporate masters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not about finding the job, it's about the time investment as you retool and relearn.  That down time means you perhaps don't feed/clothe/shelter your family.  It gets much worse if you have to now take 2-3 jobs to maintain.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama doesn't support alternate clean energy, he supports paying out vast fortunes of tax payers of money to white elephants and deliberate fraud corporate welfare sinks'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The problem with Obama's green energy subsidies is that it's trying to scale up an industry before it reaches a reasonable cost level'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Modern coal is cleaner than solar or wind, yet he shut them down'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie. it's a waste of money'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how Sweden doesn't rely on coal anymore then.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'HERESY! Coal plants emit co2 which kills everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet we're still standing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not to mention that solar and wind are often based directly on top of coal/fossil energy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because sweden has about 15 people'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two words - pigouvian tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'But those 15 need alot of power'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden also has huge potential for very large-scale power from hydro, tidal, geothermal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since solar/wind energy production can not be matched to consumption, it can not be more than a marginal source of electricity until we get way better storage methods'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it's because we're not idiots. We rely on nuclear energy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not tidal though'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what is that?  I saw you talking about it previously, but it sounded bad so I didn't bother exploring the link you gave.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tax eternalities, let the market sort it out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a tax that account for the incidental costs of things'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '51% of our energy production comes from nuclear energy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and until you have the lower cost/better storage, it's a really bad idea to try to ramp up production with subsidies, unless there's some catastrophic alternative cost'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does your uranium come from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Onlt 3,4% of our energy production comes from coal/oil/whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't know, the magical uranium mines of Mars? How about the U.S. stops making and creating new nukes and use their uranium for nuclear power plants?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nuclear energy, at least in the US, is subsidized all the way from Uranium mining up to electricity delivery, and even with gov't taking the tail costs (insurance liabilities beyond legal caps), there's very little interest in building new plants'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'from Russia and Canada mainly if you google it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other words: People are idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which means (1) Even after susidies, it's not really profitable or (2) nuclear energy CEO's don't want to make money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or just greedy. Probably both.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'People are SSS - Stupid, Selfish, Short-sighted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada smiles happily.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's more like SSSs'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we have a magical device for fixing things like this... taxes/quota auctions...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have the elderly freezing to death in the winter thanks to UN and their stupid fucking obsession with CO2 and windmills'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where the FUCK are your elderly living, Tigernuts? In the woods?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'entirely your govt's fault - don't blame others'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the governments fault for signing onto a crackpot UN scheme'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure social security's supposed to keep the elderly's houses warm.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd be freezing even without that tiny price differential'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tiny price difference? electric and gas have gone up 18% in the last 2 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'social security can't even keep one meal on the table, much less 3.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what the FUCK did they do for the rest of their lives if they can't afford to pay for electricity during the winter months?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's largely due to spikes in commodities'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the socialist idea,  Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the ones that had low paid work or scrounged their whole lives, and you have the ones that worked hard and saved for their retirement'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, TigerNUTS, in Socialist Utopia, people DON'T freeze to death during the winter months.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From what I've seen, roughly 80% of the population in any wealthy country lives from paycheck to paycheck'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you know, if they really reduced reliance on these things, don't you thing the prices would have dropped instead?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they worked hard.  Many of the highest-paying jobs now weren't nearly as high-paying back then.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'supply and demand...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so if no one forced them to save, they don't have anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only for sucecssive socialist and capitalist governments steal and devalue their pensions'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because in a socialist (not communist) country, if you can't afford your electricity bill, the government will pay/subsidize it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and int he end, unless you're one of the 1%, pensioners struggle'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I doubt anybody's actually freezing to death in the U.K., of all places.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And wasn't that UN bill signed this year?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, 1992'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, some 1992 bill. Yeah, sure. Thousands of U.K. pensioners are freezing to death each year and only YOU know about it, Tigernuts! They ahve been for 20 years too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sounds legit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you frothing about now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they "force" people to save for retirement. Socialism! Oh no!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with many being in some religious group that insinuates that birth control is immoral but regular sex with your spouse is not, a lot of families grew large out of both principle (child mortality rates, who the hell are you to tell me what to do in my house?!) and practicality'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have that in Sweden. A percentage of your paycheck is squared away in a pension fund. I think the U.S.:ians call it 401ks? Maybe? Anyway, it's mandatory.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did that here too, then stole it all because it was a ponzi scheme called "national insurance", which is known as "social security" elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get pretty much the same pay-out whether you paid in or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how terrible, fewer shiny baubles while working, and all you get is the ability to feed yourself when retired...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not remotely enough to live on '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, that's because you've been ruled by CONSERVATIVE parties for the last, what, 3 decades?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, labour'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '401k's are optional, and not at all the best option in the first place (money goes in before you pay taxes on it, when you go to take it out you pay more taxes then).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, don't blame the UN yfor your govt screw ups. Their not responsible if your social safety nets are badly implemented.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Labour Party ruled the U.K. for 3 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i will blame them, it's their idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the labour party rules the UK from 1995 to 2010'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh wait, 13.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi . o O ( I must've been on the internet too long )
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, sorry then. I thought Tony Blair was a consevative. I don't care about U.K. politics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that the conservatives are much better'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your politics rarely, if ever, affect me, so I don't really care.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if you change jobs, rolling over your 401k takes a cut for penalty taxes as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your 401k is affected by a job switch? The pension fund is a government run thing that's unaffected by job switches here in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'After some years, lots of people thought Blair was a conservative'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many things screwed up pensions here, Gordon Brown levied a tax on existing private pensions which reduced everyones pots. The lack of regulation over the world meant many went belly-up leaving the person who paid in out of pocket'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '401k are individual retirement accounts, you are thinking of social security insurance'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but like everything else, they're mostly based on the markets, and the markets are screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Everything I know about how policies and stances scream "Conservative".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, if you are no longer employed there you don't get to put any money into it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the difficulties in Britain are likely due to the greedy mindset that restricts competition and the sheeple mindset that deters the sheeple from improving both themselves and societies lot -- the upper class are defrauding the sheeple  (?)  (with inspiration from the USA)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well yeah, you don't get to do that in Sweden either. They take a set percentage our of your PAYCHECK, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our national "pension" system has individual accounts, making it harder to plunder...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you don't actually LOSE any money for switching jobs. You just don't get to put any money into your pension fund for as long as you're unemployed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Singapore sounds like some kind of Asian Sweden, Sonshi.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inspiration, zade, the people who rule over the 1% in USA -are-the-same-people- that rule over the 1% in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also no issue with the retirement age, since the accounts are inherited anyway if the holder dies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Faux Noise, the Mouthpiece of the Tea Party, is actually owned by Ruper Murdoch (a Brit).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sweden? We have the death penalty!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So Tigernuts' got a point (for once).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's much better to go with a Roth, you pay your taxes up front and if for any reason you had to take some out early you don't pay any taxes at all so long as the amount you're taking early is less than the amount you put in (principal instead of interest earned).'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm, this roth thing sounds like quite the loophole'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can only put 5k a year into it'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'vs 16.5k for a 401k'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's say you work for 40 years. That's 200k. Not much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, my math's bad.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wait, it's right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, 20k, not much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is 200k in principle'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most workers won't come close to 16.5k, plus an IRA is pretax money so you won't get anywhere near most of it back.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at 5% for 40 years that is more'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to retire on 200k...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, not that much if you plan on living for, I don't know, 10 years after you retire.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the market doesn't crash insanely'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for that matter, most companies won't match anywhere close to 8.25k, since between you and employer you can't go past 16.5k anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it will be more than a mill'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's where financial management strategy comes into play, Yuna.  You go aggressive early on, so you can make (or lose, to be fair) large piles of money.  As you get closer to retirement, you transfer to safer investments so that you don't take any losses and/or don't make any money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1 mill won't be much in 40 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 mill isn't much even now'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's more than most people will ever earn in their life'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home the contribution rate to the national (forced) plan is about 35% of base pay. They change the rate every now and then to match eocnomic conditions, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you plan on living 10 years past retirement, 1 mill is barely enough to have you living a comfortable life of eating well and living comfortably.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'd think you'd want to be able to do more in your twilight years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You keep saying "Back home". Where are you currently, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have a house a mill is plenty for 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '35% is a decent amount to maintain a similar standard of living to what you're used to too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: '100k per year is pretty comfortable'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'studying in the us'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '35% of what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '35% of base pay'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't live off 35% of my pay'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now you're just riling Tigernuts up for one of his anti-Socialism diatribes, Sonshi!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people could not'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'factor in the interest and financial activity generated from that, and it won't actually be 35%.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, the idea is that you work for 40 years at about 80% of your base pay, then the 35% saved will tide you over for your retirement'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're having to raise taxes and force people to have pensions here because nobody has had remotely enough money to pay into one for the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get 80% of your base as pretax take home, while 35% or so goes into retirement'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's pretty much how it was around the world.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much how it is in the Nordic countries.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(except our taxes are higher)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so unless you're retired for over 25 years, or spend a lot more in retirement, you ought to be fine with the same standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But we generally make more as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1,000,000 / 10 == 100,000 (but that wastes the principal) --  2% pa of 1m is 20,000 pa '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't force people to save, a significant proportion will blow it all and end up starving/freezing in winter for those countries with winter'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only bums and drunken morons freeze to death here'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and we get -30C winters'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, according to tigernuts, plenty of pensioners are freezing to death in the UK because of some globalist UN plot'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are struggling because of it, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's ok, they're only struggling now'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. reading about the coldest winters in the uk. -16C :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be getting warmer, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, whether they are struggling or not is due to how good or crappy your govt is. Can't blame the UN when their initiatives are so weak, and hardly influence prices'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already said it was the government's fault for signing onto them, they should have refused like the USA did'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm pretty sure tigeruts will start to talk about lizard people and the illuminati soon'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's DosseT's and Chemosh's job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts only supports them silently  and sometimes openly, but he won't argue their cases FOR them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cases for what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'signing on to it or not makes hardly a difference, economically. We sign up for all sorts of these things too, but we hardly notice because our govt... you know... actually tries to run the country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, he's been saying that obama is a gay muslim, so it's the next logical step'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, he did? I was busy in another window.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there was definitely something about obama being a closet homosexual today. it's only a small step away from being a secret homosexual reptiloid'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'makes as much sense, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama's sexual orientation or reptilian illuminati genes don't seem to affect his policies much, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe Tigernuts supports the notion that Obama may or may not (because he's a weasel, so he'll only insinuate) be a muslim because he wears a ring that bears what is in no way, shape or form a Muslim engraving, yet fucktards are claiming it's got some Arabic prayer engraved on it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a notion that only you have made, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also my bet would be on Obama being an atheist/non-believer'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps! Maybe you should too!
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thinking he's a muslim is just plain fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's what you actually said last week or the week before that, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your early on-set Romnesia is acting up again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, can't be. romney actually flips to a sane position every once in a while. doesn't stay there long, but at least he visits'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you will have some good positions when you take all of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder what they'll call Paul Ryan's inability to NOT lie every 5 minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the man has to sleep'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lyanism?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I bet he lies in his sleep.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unless he's a secret robot, of course'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wrong sort of lying'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm pretty sure he's a robot'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's Romneybot's job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'seems to me like factual inaccuracies and misrepresentations are fairly evenly distributed across political parties'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'them marathon times he said he had. not human'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You haven't been paying attention lately, then Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe not'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its human, it would just have put him in 85th place in the last olympic marathon'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure he is that good'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Both parties lie, but the Republicans lie more often and lie BIGGER.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Ryan and Yuna would get on well'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe I see things differently because I don't support any party or candidate'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and apparently consider different things to be important'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or you don't support either because you see things differently...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Sonshi's question.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'PolitiCheck fact-checked the Vice Presidential debate. Their verdict was pretty much that they both lied or stretched the truth, but Ryan lied more brazenly. As in blatant lies, big lies, stupendous lies only the ignorant would fall for.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't mention the Benghazi incident with Pig Crowley then'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the presidential debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the big deal with the Benghazi incident?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd rather they reform the political system of the U.S., but as things stand, I can support either the party that's pretty OK or, in my view, evil incarnate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'romney is fun, but i was hoping for santorum/bachmann 2012 :('
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, personal attacks on the moderator...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The curious thing about the vp debate was that someone had replaced Biden with a grinning sociopath'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was rather unsettling'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'vp debate was awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have you NOT seen the Preisdential Debates?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney grins MORe and WIDER.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not with your glasses, Yuna :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'butbutbut he called it an act of terror! That's not a terrorist act, or a terror act, or...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Biden openly laughed in Ryan's face, though, which was awesome.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that punk is a fucking liar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst, Obama claimed he said on the day that it was a terrorist attack despite not having said that, and the position of him and his government was that it was an unplanned mob assault caused by the Anti-Muslim video that got released'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they all have permanent shit-eating grins on tv'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ms Cowley backed up his lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No he didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he did call it a terrorist attack on day one, regardless'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not ONCE did he during the debate state that he said it ON THE SAME DAY.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what difference does that make to the situation'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have called it ballet dancing'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what these fact-checker sites get off on'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I fail to see how that matters'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe he said it a day after or so. The moderator said that he said it two days after the act.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he should have said in the clearest possible terms "I condemn this act of terror, this terror act, this terrorist act, this terrorist attack, this attack by terrorists..."'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't see that it matters much which exact words Obama used to describe the Benghazi attack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So stop LYING, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I actually watched that debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 days after, Panetta was still briefing it to be a flashmob protesting against the movie'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Introducing some obscure video as a cause was sort of odd'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i actually watched the debate, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what the CIA told Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you're blatantly lying about what Obama and the moderator said in that debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'perfect information isn't available through the fog of war'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorist-minded muslims were incited into an an unplanned mob assault caused by the Anti-Muslim video that got released'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not lying, i saw the same debate as you'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there was no way for them to know for sure if it was a terrorist attack on day one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are fucking lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he did call it an act of terror...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you just live in a reality distortion field, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he called it an act of terror'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a terrorist attack'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama did NOT say (during the debate) that he calld it a terrorist attack on day one. And neither did the moderator back it up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the substantive difference being?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh no stop the presses !!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he called it an act of terro'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama said "Read the transcripts" and the moderator said "He DID call it that TWO DAYS after the attack".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'an act of terror i think he said'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you are fucking lying, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, so you really do want him to be so clear as to say "I condemn this act of terror, this terror act, this terrorist act, this terrorist attack, this attack by terrorists..."'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it doesn't matter what he says for 2 reasons'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actors (paid by ?republicans?) to pose as terrorist-minded muslims incited into an an unplanned mob assault caused by the Anti-Muslim video that got released (?) (or maybe a publicity stunt)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1) it really doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who ARE you, Lyin' Ryan's less truthful cousin?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're happy that Obama was saying a completely different thing to his foreign office?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '2) conservatives will attack him for it regardless'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'More interesting is why the ambassador was there in the first place, and why the requests for additional security/warnings about potential attacks led to nothing useful.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lying so often and brazenly. As IF I can't just link you to a Youtube clip of that segment.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Sociopath lesson #1 Tiger-NUTS: If you think you are the only one in the room that is right, you're wrong. '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'might have something to do with the cutbacks for embassy security that Ryan voted on in the house'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, you were just caught LYING. And now you're trying to change the subject to cover your ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is PATHETIC.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. just stop giving him ammo'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as the room doesn't contain Yuna and Twyst, then it'll right for as long as it correlates with the Democrat Bible according to Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'where they the only request? Do republicans somehow have a tougher stance on embassy security by more often honoring such requests? can we focus anymore on a sample of one at the expense of the larger picture?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we ARE feeding the troll, you know'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'these things happen all the time, but this one is a conspiracy, is that what i'm hearing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i like to think that I debate you on the points TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if disagreeing with you makes me a troll'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then i am a troll'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ANd how the FUCK would better security have been able to prevent that attack, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'although not 2 hours ago you claimed Obama was a closet homosexual'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/romney-obama-debate-fact-check?newsfeed=true'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The terrorists would've just lobbed a bomb at the building with a giant slingshot of something. If terrorist wants to bomb your house, they're gonna do it unless you encase it in a bomb-shelter/bunker!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney's surprise at being called out over the claim is perhaps understandable because in the days that followed, the administration stuck to the line that the assault was a response to the anti-Muslim video. The White House sent the US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, to say that on television talk shows the following weekend. No mention was made of a terrorist attack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are you saying that they are in some way excusing it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What DOES IT MATTER?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who cares WHY it happened, it did'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm saying that they didn't get their facts straight'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, like his campaign staff doesn't read obama's speeches to prepare for romney's talking points...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"We think it was an act of protest from some maniacs" "Oops, we were wrong, it was terrorists".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a flashmob isn't an organised terrorist attack'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they missed it, they're incompetent'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is a discussion about getting their facts straight'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'might go either way'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we KNOW for a matter of FACT that Romney didn't get his facts straight'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what exactly was that Guardian article supposed to prove, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his kneejerk apologizing for america tirade that same day?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'BULLSHIT'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another of the dozens of fact checking sites that pop up after the presidential freakshow'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of them even have different facts!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe because you frequent right-wing tea party sites?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think someone once said that there are no version of the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but listening to you guys, i'm not surprised that quite often facts don't agree even with each other'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised you can only support DosseT and Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a flashmob of looks-like terrorists are yet terrorist-minded and look like terrorists (until down-played to softcore terrorists)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And not expect flack for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're arabic so they must be terrorists, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '*facepalm*'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some jewish-actors look arabic'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i forget sarcasm doesn't work in text'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, sarcasm clearly doesn't work in text.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's hard to discern when you're being sarcastic because you say insane stuff so often.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or could just be you're an imbecile'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jewish-actors used to play nazis in those post-wwii war films -- if you were taught to dislike the "nazis" in those films, you were taught to dislike jewish-actors'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think me and my 300 are going to vote for Obama now.  Forget standing around in long lines at the end of voting day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'jewish actors' characters you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just find it weird that you were railing against the 1% earlier TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't seem internally consistent'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a kid is not going to distinguish between a "jewish actor" and the character - bad-looking nazis'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts likes to sometimes complain about the rich to make it less glaring that he constantly refers to anyone who isn't a Conservative a socialist, communist and/or welfare recipient.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, just two months ago, he claimed to be an independent.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gotta keep up pretenses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Want some chocolate powder do go with your foam, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a child may distinguish between Charlie Chaplin and Adolf -- if not, then Adolf was so comedic and lovable  (grin)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'According to those Issa hearings, in March and July there were requests for additional security for the Benghazi consulate. In April someone threw explosives over the consulate wall. In June someone blew a large hole in the consulate gates. Also the British ambassador and the Red Cross were attacked. In the days prior to sept. 11th, local guards/security/wannabe-intel peeps were quite worried. So it looks like it might have been a good idea to do something about security and just maybe not send the ambassador there around that date.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'pretty sure Tigernuts thinks Obama is a socialist/communist because  he went to school in such-and-such countries and his father was a whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna trying to tell us that Obama is not a socialist or a communist?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Issa also released the names of Libyan cooperators putting their lives in danger and hampering further cooperation'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, let me edit that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts claims Obama is a communist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama is neither a socialist or a communist'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is he?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama, like most not-insane people of the 2010's, shares some socialist values because a society completely devoid of socialism would be idiotic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you keep using these words. i don't think you know what they mean'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mean a variety of things to a variety of people, since both are very broad'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for example, wealth redistribution from the rich to the poor through taxation is a socialist ideal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we really need the Chinese to run things here.  They know how to get things done.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we redistribute as a point of pragmatic economic policy. Well, my country does, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and what ideal is the rich robbing the poor and hording all the wealth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'centralisation control or ownership of all resources is a communist ideal'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do you think is happening and has been happening?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '4 ish major news conglomerates'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is, and just think of all that can be done in the world if the two biggest economies were of like mind?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we also have some nationalised industries. But Only as a point of pragmatic economic policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '5 ish major banking conglomerates'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in order to be 'a socialist' you have to subscribe to every text book policy and nuance of that school of thought, then nobody is anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '4 ish major cell phone carriers'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying you're a Nazi if you're homophobic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unregulated capitalism will lead to this "centralised control" etc that you were talking about'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to be socialist you have to believe in redistribution *beyond* what pragmatic policy would suggest'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even in our political labour party here are people who've been communists, green party, trade unions, conservatives, liberal democrats'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to be communist, you'd have to want to nationalise stuff *beyond* what is beneficial in a largely free market economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who decides what is beneficial? who decides what is pragmatic?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well thats what republicans are saying obama is doing'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Obama was communist he would have nationalized the banks when he had the opportunity'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the car companies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the mortgage companies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Basic economics?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, basic economics, because that's worked out well'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take for instance my country's COE/ERP (traffic congestion) programs...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't you support Trickle Down Economics, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a high level of govt control there, but we've reduced negative externalities brought on by congestion, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or a series of bad movies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't support economists at all, i swear everyone would be better off if they were all rounded up and sent to Australia'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we provide a good education to our people, and ensure they have decent housing... as a result, you have lower crime, the businessmen have lower security costs and a stronger workforce... everyone's happy'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Tigernuts and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, everyone benefits'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what, you don't give them cars, too?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and because if you break the law over there you get your ass caned?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, we have good public transport. Cars clog up roads, so they're really expensive...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The main problem with economics is that it was taken over by an almost pure quantitative (math) paradigm, and practitioners have limited (qualitative) insight, and way too much faith in imperfect/flawed models.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why our average working class guy doesn't complain about rising petrol costs anymore!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your country is not really normal though'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, it's a city'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet grocery shopping is a pain in the ass over there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you'd be hard pressed to find a city that's run as well elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Ring is a U.S. remake of Ringu. The Grudge is a U.S. remake of Ju-On.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there are usually plenty of shops nearby'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine Hong Kong is the nearest equivalent country?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the capitalists also depend on socialism: of society providing the menial populations for the armies and law enforcement and builders and laborers to build and maintain the infrastructures (and the service industry to provide services) and the menial population to provide customers -- if 99% of the populace of the USA disappeared (from the USA), the remaining 1% are defenceless against foreign invaders'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have blocks of flats planned around a small commercial area, with markets, food courts, doctors, dentists, groceries, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hong kong is pretty poorly run, lots of slums'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's true everywhere, Zade.  Did you NOT read Animal Farm?  And look at China?  That's a successful country full of poor people with just a couple outfits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'socialism may be viewed as capitalism benefitting the whole (and not merely the greedy selfish rich parasiting on the whole)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'again, China.  China's an even better example of Animal Farm than Russia was.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope you realise there isn't likely to be a right or wrong answer in an ideological debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theirs not usually a right or wrong in any debate, or anything worth debating'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why debates should focus on pragmatic policy rather than ideology'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always both in any discussion of any kind.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people on here tend to forget that...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's not always possible, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, i don't believe people should be subjected to constant nannying, monitoring, and interference from government'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's just ideology...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot be cast off by saying 'that's just ideology''
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a debate, there are two right answers and two wrong ones.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on what you mean by "Constant nannying".'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor do i agree with the sentiment of having to work 60% of my work week for free'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name some of these alleged cases of government nannying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you ever in your life visit a hospital or use the roads, it's not for free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drinking, smoking, eating, diet, exercise'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying peopel should pay according to their consumption?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are no laws that prohibit drinking, smoking, diet, exercise. I don't know about laws against eating specific things (or rather selling specific things for eating), though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there should not be any objection to taxing stuff that's a large burden on others'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, how is the U.K. governemnt "nannying" the British populus when it comes to drinking, smoking, eating, dieting and exercise?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a 16-year-old, I can't actually smoke, drink, or have sex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxation, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can ahve sex Hanslanda. Just not with someone over/under the age of consent dependong where you fall.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not fucking nannying!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, did you watch any of the actual-crime docu-programs currently on the Investigation-Discovey channel -- when humans go bad, they go bad bad -- maybe some of those bad humans may interact with you soon and teach you a lesson on the values of socialism'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they're taxing dieting and exercise?!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There you go again, being weasely.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax is being used to influence behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what duty is for'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Investigation Discovery -- a depressing channel'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is the U.K. goverment taxing dieting and exercise?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are penning a 'fat tax''
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yah?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Smoking, drinking and obesity has a cost to society due to medical costs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are taxing based on health, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and driving has a cost on roads'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Driving has a net gain for society.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK does drinking, smoking and obesity contribute to society?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'contributes tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everything is about your idea of society'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about free will'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is that fat-tax to be levied without becoming also you-starve-if-you're-poor tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You STILL have free will, you idiot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some people just now CHOOSE not to drink, smoke or eat unhealthy food because it'd cost them more.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no objection to a levy to cover the direct health costs, but anything ABOVE that is just behaviour conditioning'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's what you don't grasp'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK would you tax that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax is ABOVE direct cost, it's behaviour modification'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You, you smoke and got lung cancer! 500,000 quid levy for you!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not behaviour modification. You still retain free will.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're misusing the English language again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you running on about now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And more just using weasel-language.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you tax something to make it unaffordable, how is that then free will?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you really that retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He who is a Brit yet cannot differentiate between "modificiation" and "influence" needs to go back to school.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "fat" are also less intelligent than normal as the fat cells compress and reduce the braincells '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I should sue the makers of expensive jewelry because I might covet their jewelry but not be able to afford it, claiming they're infringing on my... free will rights?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fat tax will probably be instituted similar to income tax.  You pay or receive a refund based on where your real income falls at the end of the year.  Could also be something included in such audits, or something required to be reported every time you went to the doctor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference is the jewelry hasn't gone up in cost'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'can I just say, unhealthy food costs _less_ than healthy food, at least around here'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's the logic here?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course jewelry has fucking gone up in cost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'they don't need to make unhealthy food cost more, they need to make healthy food cost _less_'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you go out to the movie every saturday, it costs around $10'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jewelry is primarily gold and silver, so...duh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'no, I have an Unlimited Card'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suddenly, the government decides movies are unhealthy, slaps a 1000% duty on it, it now costs $100'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'which is #14.99 a month'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can no longer go to the movies because it's too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you stop going to the movies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You still retain your free will. You can choose to go to the movies, but you probably choose not to because it's so expensive now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not free will. that's coercian'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'it's extortion'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some movies teach children to be killers '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's fucking extortion'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a fucking HUGE difference between the government DISCOURAGING going to the movies by making it expensive and the government PREVENTING you from doing so entirely by making it illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'you're thinking of videogames :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'find an instance where the extra tax on a good is above negative externalities'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not video-games, movies'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did tigernuts just argue that "There's a fucking HUGE difference between the government DISCOURAGING going to the movies by making it expensive and the government PREVENTING you from doing so entirely by making it illegal" is bullshit?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't give a flying shit about your externalities'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'movies are more influencing than video-games'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government does not have a right to be pushing such influence'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's where you're wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am not wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because smoking, drinking and morbid obesity costs society and the government tons of money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So they have every right to tax them to discourage FUCKTARDS from becoming alcoholic smoking fatballs that'll end up costing EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES a bajillion pounds a year.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought they made money on that'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'video-games are similar to mudding -- how many of you are serial-killers irl because to play this mud '
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not to the point where like 90+% of the cost of the product is just pure tax. ;)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's your goose-stepping practice coming on, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not a boy scout.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I wouldn't know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(The Boy Scouts invented the goose-step)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, none of that money actually goes to hospitals and other such caregiving institutions.  Most of it goes to military.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if the value of the negative externalities are an order of magnitude larger than the cost of the product, why not 90+%?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on the country, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(And possibly state)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and where it directly flows into is irrelevant... income from that source means less income has to flow from income/sales taxes... the society that suffers the costs will get the money back in some form.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing bad stuff makes more sense than taxes on productive work, we is merely a necessary evil'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(which)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what I think when people whine about tobacco taxes and bans against smoking in bars and restaurants?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That we're not being harsh enough. Ban smoking in public, period.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You want to poison yourself? Feel free. In the privacy of your own home.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could do something about the banking sector, but that' might actually threaten to benefit mankind'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax football, while you're at it'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and bicycles'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what harm does football do to me?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'injures people'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and other people riding bikes actually benefits me'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we need to require licensing and insurance for bicycles.  Some of those users drive worse than people in cars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Football brings in revenue.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'football doesn't injure me'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Revenue that goes back to society in the form of taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it kills kids ocassionally'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're thinking of different kinds of football, Modi.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which is sad'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're talking about REAL football.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only those who play it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not that American Football crap.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I will NOT refer to football as soccer)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people often get injured or killed in football-related unrest'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well real football is boring'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both football and soccer are correct terms for it...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Let's make that illegal. If you participate in hooliganism, the government can sue your ass off.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's pretty much just a clan-replacement for the ignorant masses'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You, your parents, you can get sued for EVERY FUCKING PENNY.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That way, if parents aren't keeping their hooligan kids in check, they lose their house.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'come to America, Yuna.  We do that anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed to have kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they can charge the FA for security. Wait, I bet they already do...'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'euthanise the hooligans, and let the parents keep their homes'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'm sure lots of important people had idiots for parents'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one guy sued a kid's parents because he ran out after his ball between two cars and caused him to be at fault in a wreck while avoiding the kid.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Euthanizing the fuckers won't bring in any revenue to pay for the damage they inflict.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Was this on Judge Judy, Hanslanda?'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but the hooligans shall be gone'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not talking about frivolous lawsuits. I'm talking about making it practice to sue the pants off every hooligan who is caught.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even if they didn't directly cause much damage. Kinda like how if three people set out to murder someone, the two who didn't pull the trigger still get charged with murder.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can get arrested for leaving a victim to bleed while you go find enough network coverage to call *911 on your cellphone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way things are going, phone 911 for an ambulance and the cops show up and kill you anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Very few states/countries have laws that require you to phone for help if you witness an accident.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, of course, your job is in law enforcement, medical assistance or the like.'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norway has laws which require you to help if you witness an accident :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the culture of blame has meant most people don't want to get involved'
T3/r7/2012-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh Jesus H. Christ.  Comedy Central is having a fund raiser for AWWWWWTIZM charities.  Too bad AWWWWTIZM doesn't exist!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN to send observers to USA "looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're getting desperate, folks!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'not sure why they'd bother, it's obvious, you don't have to look very hard or scour much'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you see constant interference by both sides, so why are they singling out one?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'that assumes that both sides are throwing away thousands of voter registration forums; wait, that's not how it's happening'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the ACLU (and other lefty organisations) basically panicking'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legal suppression is only happening at one end'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got the neocons tampering with voting machines and the obamnites tampering with forms, registers, and voting multiple times'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(allegedly)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they're more concerned with legalities than private initiatives.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't terribly helpful, is it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it legal to vote twice?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, new study implies Child 'like' taking Ritalin and Adderall'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Didn't snl just do a skit on voting rules?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what sn is'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'saturday night live'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get that here'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit main stream for me, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's ok, it's not any good anymore anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everybody too terrified to be funny anymore'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Everybody stopped taking mass amounts of drugs'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that's the only reason...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Let's debate about it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political correctness, fear of suing, and political bias of funding network also pay a large part'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ok, I was kidding...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Report claims $4.5bn has been inappropriately applied to the food stamp program, including benefits administered to 2000 dead people in new york and massivehugetits'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among the things inappropriately paid for by food stamps: beer, diapers, condoms, pot dispensory cards, KFC, Taco Bell'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local tv station in ohio reported them being used for fags, guns, and cars, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, my favourite video  of a clueless congressperson  of the week goes to this lady:'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFh0nIYNAyY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who mixes brush-off technique with selective memory loss and pleaded stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tries to make it the interviewers' fault. classic'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, news headline: "Chavez, Castro, Putin endorse Obama". Not a right wing news site. honest'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Washington Times'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, do you know who owns the Washington Times?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just assumed from the headline it was a right wing rag'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Reverend Moon'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a great name'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you can understand the articles that it publishes :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dead gie?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'died in september...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, his empire goes on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you get crazies in all religions'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religions/sects/clans/organisations'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has an estimated 32 CCTV cameras for every one of the 65 million people'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like countrwide ALPR coverage is coming to the USA after being rolled out by the CIA in the UK '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2005 an 80yr old pensioner and her daughter with no criminal record, went to an anti-war rally in London and were pulled over on the way home by police and searched under anti-terrorism laws because of the huge database that backs ALPR up'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Some US cities are making CCTV mandatory for some kinds of businesses'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think it's all a conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a conspiracy, just part of the trend towards a police state'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a conspiracy because they're not hiding it, they're doing it brazenly and in the open, and using a mixture of psy-ops and propoganda to cover their tracks'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem-reaction-solution, bait and switch, strawman, 'false flags', delphi techniques'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'damn, those evil people'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how can they get away with it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people are dumb and let them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if these techniques didn't work on the sheeple, they wouldn't use them, would they?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, they have history to learn from - they can look at the likes of Hitler and see where he went wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it is lucky with have foresighted people like you around to warn us of the danger'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it depends whether you go along with what they do or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you be happy to be tracked everywhere you go, and that information available to the highest bidder, Swalec?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you be equally happy if the people that controlled that technology were (literally) hostile to anyone with political views that were different to yours?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's a no comment :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbxBQhzk3M&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creativity is a mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(allegedly)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Human trafficking is a business worth $32bn a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd biggest illegal trade, tied with arms'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I've found Yuna and Twyst's music idol!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_tILqds7-jg'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '11yr old californian boy banished from his schooled because he carries genetic mutation for cystic fibrosis'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus the school is trying to set a precedent for eugenics-based denial of education'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tiggy my only point would be funding - is it a publically funded school ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to find out for you, one moment'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TY'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a standard middle school'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no references whatsoever on it's website to fees, that might suggest it's a private school'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'to preempt findings - all dogma based schools create thier own bias imo - there are significant reasons for eugenics to play more of a part in breeding rather than dogma - someone actualy got it right ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sounds like someone who is a bit thick is in charge of admissions policy and didn't realise cystic fibrosis isn't contagious'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so says the article'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not across nature of illness  - expand pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the decision was taken because with classic cystic fibrosis, the bacteria can be dangerous to other classic cystic fibrosis sufferers'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is a congenital defect ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have 2 classic cystic fibrosis students on their roles, so their action in banishing him was overzealous'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'selective quarantine to protect the student body - pick a hole in that ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well it comes about from a genetic mutation linked to a chronic selenium deficiency in the pregnant mother'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't have cystic fibrosis, only the genetic mutation'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what religious beliefs are those california school administrator douchebags -- kkk, republican, tea-party, christian, '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a genetic disposition towards glaucoma. I don't have glaucoma'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmmm OK what is the outrage then - this was all researched before the exclusion ? or hysteria and then info like normal ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'am i adequately conveying the situation/difference? It'd be different if the banished kid actually -had- classic cystic fibrosis, but he doesn't, so therefore isn't a risk, or at risk'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds more like the school wanted to get rid of him for some reason.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for that reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sounds like another jump off the deep end because the people at the school don't have the knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would suspect that there's more unpublished, that they came up with this as a convenient excuse to get rid of someone they don't like.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/18/boy-banned-from-school-for-carrying-cystic-fibrosis-gene/'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'lol fox'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currently going through court'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the story's linked a lot of other places other than fox :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so hysteria -  power group within the organisation gets behind it and then after being proved wrong can't disband because of other group politics .. ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220024/Parents-fury-boy-11-told-leave-school-cystic-fibrosis-gene.html?ito=feeds-newsxml'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh, I haven't actually been following the convo, but I saw a fox link...and ugh, Daily Mail? The fox of the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sure, they all have bias, but at least post a source where the bias is subtle'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll have you know I Love a decent Fox Vaki :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vakieh, the story's on a crapload of other sites as well. and it's the same press release on fox and the rest of the news sites :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not the issue here Majic, as I still don't know what the story is :-P Just commenting on the sources used'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'majic has the right of it, they all take their news from news feeds... you know, so that they get the 'right' news and all'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real journalism is dead, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(at least at a national and international level)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Wikileaks ! - lo l soz had to '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The internet, Every Man and His Blog, and the race to be The First to Break means journalism is dead, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an incorrect determination, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a mass media which incorporates fact checking and a goal towards objectivism?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, fox was the first one that came up on google for me as well, but the snippets shown by google gave the same story everywhere :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass media is big business, their fact checking and objectivism will be skewed by the people who fund them'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'discriminatoin because of genetic disposition -- sounds like the republicans are reviving Nazi ideals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So place funding for 3 competing mass medias as part of the constitution of a nation, to be granted without restriction to 3 independent (and by law nonprofit) media groups.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's a staunch democrat state, zade, so i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where the fuck do you get that the school is republican?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway, private schools have to accept all students.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'including religious schools which have to accept atheists/other religions/whatever'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, if you want any gov't funding, that is'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there are students that a private school legitimately shouldn't have to accept, such as one who requires two nurses in constant attendance (there was a kid like that who attended a public school near where I grew up)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find it's a culture of blame, fear, and suing behind the school's decision than poltiics'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would seriously also suggest that he did something to piss the school off and they were looking for excuses and seized on this one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'US schools get funding based on student grades ? why reject a student ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we might get to hear that from the court case'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norwegian private schools have a massive overrepresentation of children with some sort of problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Norway is full of crazy people, though they -almost- got my respect for their treatment of Andres Breivik, though totally lost it again when they renegged on their promise to let him speak on the televised court appearance'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smarted of hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, someone I know has her kid in private school here because the public school refused to work w/him on dyslexia :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the Oz school system is a joke  - I completed yr 12 with flying colours and learned most of what I wa interested in on the net '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK education was fine until 1989, then has crashed'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been eroded for a while before that though, with the abolishment of grammar schools'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my "problem" wasn't detected by any school I was at yet aparently I have been isck for years .. stil aced school '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you creative?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://bit.ly/SdJn0j'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I used to sculpt - I still paint '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vakieh.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'parental expectations have a lot to do w/grades :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're mentally ill - scientists said so'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I used to write too but can't now - everything I do is analysed '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'at a large, multiracial school (i believe in CA) they interviewed a bunch of kids and asked them 'what's the lowest grade you could get before your parents get pissed off?' and averaged it by reported race :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'arrow. knee'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'average for asian kids? A-. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'average for white kids? B-. average for non-asian minorities? C-. :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Correlation vs causation right there, btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dnt n33d gradez when i got me an obamafone!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The non-pushing Asians don't tend to migrate, as a rule'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually, the correlation is 'kids with pushy parents have higher gpas on average' :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although you're correct about the non-pushy ones not migrating.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock, parents who give a shit have kids that get better grades'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a book was written a while ago on that - disparity in expectations and the relavence of affection due to activity '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a nobel prize in that somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tigernuts, there is 'giving a shit', and 'high expectations of grades' - you can care about your kid and not feel bad about him getting a D'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Be pretty dumb, but not uncaring'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a base level - poor life skill parents produce  ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, and you'd hope so, but the missing thing is effort on the part of the teacher'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err parent, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like that cartoon posted suggests'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents blame the teacher, they should be blaming themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, the parent making sure the kid has a quiet place to do homework and making sure it's done, instead of sending the kid to do childcare and expecting them to get homework after that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'teaching is not held in high standing in Oz - lowrest paid graduates there are ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teaching is well paid here'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tzad, teaching is held in pretty high regard where I'm from - but it is paid bugger all'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the people I know who quit teaching quit because of the moronic rules and regulations instead of the salary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '... dunno - only the dumb ones at uni were buisness or teaching majors '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they knew the salary going in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My brothers gf is a kindergarten teacher, she makes about a tenth of what I think the job is worth, but there it is. Look at the cost of daycare for babies - I think parents should be out that + teaching costs for school - buffered of course for low income. Best investment for tax dollars that could EVER exist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kindergarten teacher really don't make as much as "proper" teachers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'She is trained for k-6, but this year is teaching K...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'kindergarten teachers are elementary school teachers here, elementary school is k-5 or k-6 or sometimes k-8'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'here = us.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here too Majic - Daycare, preschool, K-12, TAFE/Uni'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah Vaki - I have met a few crusaders  - but I'll bet the system will beat it outta em in a few years n they'll go on to something else '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and costs of daycare for babies is higher because of the much higher staff to child ratio needed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't have one adult for 20 kids in a baby daycare :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My aunt is a nanny turned childcare worker, she outperforms the teacher to salary by a good 3:1'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bear in mind, the teacher is a university graduate, the childcare worker is totally informally trained.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz daycare child staff ratios are 0-3 yrs 1 to 5 and 3-5 is 11 to 1 staff - did relief at a childcare centre while I waas well '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meanwhile, I graduate halfway through next year, and already have job opportunities lined up which pay well above any informally trained person in my field - and for what? Making a computer say beep? Hardly fitting, though I won't turn down the cash :-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'recognition of prior learning to qualify a childcare worker is big buisness - the student didn't go to class so no on costs yet still needs to pay the tuition fee - cashcow of  you find someone who will sign off on the RPL'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I...don't get it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh .. the drug industry made more sense to me than  ... this '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the underculture makes more sense than .. real world - real world has become gridlocked and is unusable '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm not sure if anyone on here would care, but the illicit drug industry is an interesting point - black markets offer a very curious look at how totally free and unregulated markets perform - because all transactions are illegal, the different transactions are all equal in the eyes of the law - and thus emulate what an unregulated market might offer.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a true free mrket economy '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '-n 20'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swalec slaps himself on the head
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, it isn't a true free market economy, but with the translated effects, it can emulate one in parts'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is where I cut my teeth anyway '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to eugenics wish I'd made  cyanide instead . For all the harm and cost it causes '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if anyone has a thought on how to making deb into a charter of ? ISO  9001 is an example  ? I'm intereested - sad to loose lucid moments to the ether '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or something - seems to be a loss to have access to such minds who have no individual means to bring thier wiews / concerns to ligh we could do it collectively - soz just soft musing at the end of the night but plant a seed ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get much of that here when you have hateful spirits'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any energy can be converted mate '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I was a Very hateful individual - I have had my energy diverted  now - perhaps - we can use any critism in a construct that uses ration thought as a base imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you could try taking that to Yuna and Twyst, but I doubt you'll get too far'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll think on it further when not weighed down with moddon - G'nite '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gallup latest: R51 O45'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Gallup run by the mafia '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Donald Trump's autonomous hairpiece has some big Obama news on Wednesday'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polls may be an incentive for voters to decide to vote for the losing candidate, or to switch their vote to the winner, or to stay at home and not vote for the candidate in the lead'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think their sole function is a news generator'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a few days ago, Obama was in the lead'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama hasn't been in the lead since the first debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but you are a republican supporter, and republicans are dishonest and lie '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, Party leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (controls 47% of the lower house) is calling for Sharia Law, and Egyptan spritiual leader called for Islam to invade Jeruselem'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think you've been listening to some Yuna propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i heard Obame is going to win by a landslide'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, if you're against Obama, you must be for Romney, because no other way exists, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or so he would have you believe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is against the Republicans and thus is against Romney
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shocking revelation'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you plan to riot when obama loses, zade?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so this Egyptian spiteful leader wants to invade Jerusalem so that the Israelis may abrogate the agreement on the Temple Mount, tear down the muslim temples in Jerusalem, and rebuild a Jewish Temple on the Temple mount'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're already undermining the mosque to make it collapse'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what does that mentally-retarded Egyptian spiteful leader want to accomplish by invading Jerusalem'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine it involves ridding the city of jews'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a guess'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the fuck do they care so much about Jerusalem, anyway? So it's the Holy City. Big whoop.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Jesus and God are real, I sincerely doubt they place much importance upon the city.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that may be so, but that's not what these people believe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. I am blatantly calling them fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you claim to know the mind of Jesus & God?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course he does'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The idiots warring over Jerusalem do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best let them get on with it, i say'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Israelis will win'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they are supported by USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, homosexuals are bereft of and lacking in wisdom in spiritual matters'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i venture that if America gets involved with the Israeli's in an open conflict against the Arab states, it'll end in a 1-1 draw'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought me being Irreligious would outweigh me being gay in this case.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess I was wrong. For some people, "The Gay Thing" is always the most important thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, Christians, Muslims & Jews all hate gays'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a seeming "powder keg" situation in the middle-east'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a powder keg that has been pressurised due to western inteference over 120 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God" also dislikes male homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god dislikes republicans, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Christians have absolutely no reason to hate "The Gays". None.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except, you know, stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't hate, though they might be entitled to disapprove'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are lots of reasons to dislike homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'just ask the Pope'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant theological. Nothing in their book justifies it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet they claim homophobia is a part of their religion and encroaching on their right to discriminate against The Gays is encoraching on their freedom of religion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, what Christians' civil rights?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna misread and or did not read study the Christian Bible'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that depends on your interpretation of the word 'discriminate' when applied to expressing and practicing religion'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, what about Christians' civil rights?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The New Testament pretty much throws out the Old testament.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Old Testament exists, to Christian, for the purpose of chronicling history, not for the purposes of dictating the Christian way of life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is lots in the Christian Bible (both old and new testament) that speaks against the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name some parts of the New Testament that speaks out against homosexuality besides Paul's personal letter to the Corinthians in which he speaks of HIS OWN prejudices without ever even ALLUDING to it being the word of god.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seem to recall something about ten commandments that was against a man boffing another man'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Ten Commandments?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Ten Commandments has NOTHING in it about homosexuality. The fuck are you on?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'thou shalt not covet thy wife's brother'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Totally homosexuality!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, Jesus pretty much threw out all of the teachings of the Old Testament.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see Christian railing against people getting bowl cuts, cutting their mutton chops, eating shellfish or killing insubordinate kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homosexual joker want parts in the NT that speak out against homosexuals besides the parts that speak out against the homosexuals '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All of which are sins, abominations equal to homosexuality and (some) punishable by death, by the way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm all for killing insubordinate kids.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sources, zade!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is lying to imms a sin?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling fluffles Summoner Yuna's fur mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'God destroyed Sodom'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just wonder if catholics worshipping saints goes against the 1st or 2nd commandment'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are at least two locations in the New Testament that directly speak out against homosexuals, and few other indirect "general" locations'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Soddom was Old testament.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet you cannot quote any of them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or even tell us which chapters contain them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul's letter was not the Word of God or Jesus. Therefore, Christians have no reason to hate gays from a theological standpoint since neither (NT) God or Jesus told them to hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Saying OT God hated gays is not a valid excuse because OT God hated A LOT of things that NT God doesn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Simon didn't say Simon says before he said it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore you're out'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'been there, done that, on irc in a Scripture room where scripture-bots provided the scriptures -- aardwolf debate is not geared for scriptural debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The precious Book of Leviticus, the one which speaks out against homosexuality the harshest and most blatantly, also speaks out against bowl cuts, shellfish and eating anything that crawls on its belly, calling ALL them "abominations" (same word as used for homosexuality).'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i actually agree with Yuna to the extent that Christians shouldn't hate gays'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eaten a shrimp, lately? Ever gotten a "round" haircut?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'yea, bowl cuts are an abomination...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People can hate whatever they want. Christians, however, do not have a THEOLOGICAL reason to do so. Unless you can find me these alleged passages where NT God and/or Jesus speak out against homosexuality.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, Lev. 18:22, Lev. 20:13, 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Rom. 1:26-28, Gen. 1:28, Rom. 1:32'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, that's Paul's own prejudiced views.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Based on OLD TESTAMENT teachings, ignoring Jesus' entire "Love thy neighbour" speil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Tigernuts is supplying scripture-references, but where is the scripture-bot to expand those references into holy-scripture'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The rest of that was OT'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I was looking at the gospel according to St Google'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i think thats where someone outside the faith misunderstands, love thy neighbor hate the sin. thats how i think its meant to be lived, i maybe wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's not how Christians are treating Teh Gays. They hate the gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Two Great Commandments of Jesus may be used indirectly (with science of course) to condemn homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a mixture of victorianism and blowback against darwinism'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Christianity doesn't support homosexuality. We dont hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on what branch and what country, Seiph. Seriously.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Pope fucking LOATHES The Gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there's, apparently, a "culture war" raging in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'catholicism is one branch of christianity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pope hires men that abuse children, i don't think you can look to him for any credible guidance on ethics'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Depends on what branch and country" was too Canadian French for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact of the matter is that the majority of branches of Christianity in a majority of the world's countries oppose homosexuality and homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oppose isn't hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And many of them openly hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said ALL Christian hate The Gays. What I said was that Christians SHOULDN'T hate the gays on principle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"dislike" is different to "hate"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a distinct difference.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"despise" is almost at "hate"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's your mission, Yuna, go around the world getting gay-hating christians to not hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'And we dont.. Thats like saying all whites are racist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Seiph. Your 4th grade level English comprehension is obviously hindering you here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your voting intention, Seiph?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "Whites hate no reason to hate blacks"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Im sure there are alot of non-christians who are opposed to homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of I NEVER FUCKING SAID ALL CHRISTIANS HATE GAYS is confusing to you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'My voting intention shouldn't matter in this debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, it decides whether you're racist or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think Herman Cain is still running, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i was reading what you said, and although you didnt say it word for word...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn it, i love his pizzas'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back and re-read my statements, Seiph. And please Copy+Paste the part(s) where I, apparently, claim that all Christians hate gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and his 666 plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Yuna, if you are Christian, then this challenge to a doctrine belongs inside the church, not in public, if you are not Christian, what makes you think it is your place to tell Christians how to be better Christians?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(it was 666, right?)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I did not bring religion up, Andurien.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't even the one to bring God hating gays up. That was Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And do you even KNOW what this channel's purpose is? Debate. So just because you dislike the topic of discussion, it doesn't mean it doesn't have a place here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's right, you can only discuss Yuna-approved topics here'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So EXCUSE ME for having the GALL to continue a discussion someone ELSE brought up. How EVIL of me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be time for a neat segway into abortion'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I'd rather talk about contraception. Why the FUCK are religious fuckwits (Note to Seiph: Not all religious people are fuckwits, I'm talking about the fuckwits who happen to be religious) oppose contraception on religious grounsd?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I like this new tolerant side to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'fair enough, the first thing i saw was a claim that Paul's epistles were not inspired by God, which our a pretty big challenge to a basic doctrine of the faith, the inerrancy of scripture.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I did not say that Paul's epistles were not inspired by god.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I said was that what Paul wrote in those letters were NOT the words of Jesus or God. They did not come directly from them. He was not speaking for them. He was telling the Roman of his own views, shaped by his interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and God.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all religion is interpretation'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Paul was but a man. And at that moment, he wasn't even speaking as an emissary of either Jesus or God, but as a man who wanted to advise his fellow men.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'what you just said is exactly the same as saying his letters are not inspired by God'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh, no.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Not speaking as an emissary of either Jesus or God" =/= "Not inspired by God"!.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Speaking as an emissary of God/Jesus: "I spoke to Jesus and God about this. They told me gays are bad and need to be killed." / Inspired by God: "Based on Jesus and God's teachings and how I interpret them, being gay is bad."'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In Corinthians, he doesn't say "I dislike the following people:".  He says "the following people will not get into heaven:"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm not sure, but doesn't the Old Testament or Torah eventually state that the best ways for the Jews to change the world is not by killing infidels and trying to convert people but simply by leading by example? By showing people how happy one can be as a Good Jew and hope to convert people that way?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I won't pretend to know anything about the Koran, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'sounds like a distinction without a difference to me, especially considering the authority Paul used, either way i gotta run, kids to pickup, later.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I vehemently disagree with that. But whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no one wants to discuss the theological merits of being opposed to contraceptives?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Boring.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'just to answer that, its an easy out for promiscious(spelling?) sex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet they support the rhythm method, pulling out, safe periods, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they don't seem to be unilaterally opposed to sterilization.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Most religious people are also idiot breeders.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and some are tirelessly devoted to helping the less fortunate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A semi-famous comedienne I really like's paternal grand-parents had 8 kids. The grand-mother then said they weren't having any more kids, to which the grand-father replied "Well, then we're not having any sex, because we're not using contraceptives", to which the grand-mother replied "Yes". The grand-father then left because he wanted sex.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Obviously, I meant that he left her)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that comedy-monologue story was likely a composed fiction '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'catholic?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Catholic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It wasn't for one of her monologues/stand-up routines. It was in her auto-biography.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'coughfakeautobiographiescough'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because clearly, the world isn't full of fuckwits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'thats not debatable..'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'what started this 'debate' all i've seen is religon bashing- not much debate :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think zade started it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's good with buttons'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'haha- nice'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the NT and OT condemns male homosexuals, not female homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Saying Christians shouldn't hate gays is religion bashing now? That's rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unless the female homosexuals support the vileness of male homosexuals)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(those that swear in like manner to an obomination)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(those that swear in like manner to an abomination)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christians righteously *condemn* homosexuakls'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no "hate", merely "condemnation"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i didnt say that- see look you twist words too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he twists like ... a twisty turny thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So where's all of this Christian bashing you speak of?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that's pretty much all we've discussed in the past 30 minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or, I guess, hour by now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where is all of this "religion bashing" you stumbled into, seeing as how you stumbled right into the discussion about Christians vs. The Gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'christians shouldn't hate gays. But the practice of homosexuality is clearly against bible teachings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the impressioin of "bashing" was likely from the generous use of "f***tards" to describe the religious'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Old testament teaching, Gregor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'It's in the new testament yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i must have stepped into the middle of it= because aside from one passage, the rest of it has been fuckwit this, fuckwit that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the f***tard comment was just Yuna expressing his tolerance for those people with different beliefs, ideas, and priorities to him'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where? Besides Paul's letters, which were never even implied to have been Paul speaking as an emissary of God, but merely as a Christian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: '1st corinthians 6th verse 9'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. That's PAUL'S personal letter.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yes pauls letter, but still taken as part of the inspired canon'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'pauls letters are part of the bible'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and form part of the new testament'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, you cannot comprehend, despite the fact that I specifically singled you out and gave you a shout-out later, that calling someone who HAPPENS to be Christian a fuckwit does not mean I'm calling all Christian fuckwits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... PAul's letters are... teachings?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Really? Anything in the Bible is teachings?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yes, according to the bible he wrote his letters to the congregations under inspiration from God'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'sadly to many people Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Roman Catholic religion is based largely upon the Pauline teachings and epistles'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not the kind of inspiration where God appeared before him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Besides, Jesus' teachings pretty much poo poo Paul's letters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Besides, Paul's just saying "These people will not get into Heaven." Not "Kill them with fire!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'where did Jesus say it was ok for one dude to plug another?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Yuna, I just made a very simple point. Homosexuality is against the teachings of the new testament. Pauls letters are part of the new testament.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see any Christian zealots trying to legislate discrimination against Jews into law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there is not any contradiction between pauls letters and the teachings of Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't view Paul's PERSONAL letters to a bunch of Corinthians and Romans to be Christian teachings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you think isn't terribly relevent to the christian faith'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you have yet to defend the claim that Paul's letters don't actually us Christian to hate homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Simply that they won't get into heaven.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'sorry, you lost me with your grammar there'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know very well what I meant from context.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul's letter don't actually tell Christians to hate homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the bible tells all to love their neighbour. They hate the practice of homosexuality, but not homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They simply state that they won't get into the Bible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus did indirectly condemn abominations'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'exactly, no-one should hate homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Where is this proof that christians hate gays?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'all over seiph'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'especially not christians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you aware of the culture war going on in the U.S. Gregor? They are legislating against gay rights.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They HATE gay PEOPLE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Cuture....'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which legislation is that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not from the US Yuna. I just know a decent amount about the bible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'a CULTURE war not a religious war, where yes- many cultures -are- based of religion-- but thats NOT so much true these days.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you calling those Christians "Not True Christians"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So people that don't want to make bestiality legal hate animals?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'love "thy neighbour as thyself" is slightly different to "love thy neighbour"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if christians hate gays, they are not true christians /according to the bible/.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What about the entirety of the Catholic Church, the vast majority of which loathe "the gay", including their Pope Nazinger?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yes yuna, not christians in the biblical sense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'catholicism is so far removed from first century christianity it defies belief.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debating scriptures as a "legal text" is tricky'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I have no issue with you then, Gregor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you can't say the 'majority' of the catholic curch, because you dont know the oppinion of the majority.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OF COURSE WE FUCKING DO.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I have no issue with you either Yuna, I was just stating factually what the new testament said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'You must be a liberal'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what gay rights are the US governments legislating away?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their leaders are very clear what they think. Their parishioners do not object. Every single poll among Catholics back me up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Seperation between church and state- cant blame a religion for policy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So now we have to ask EVERY SINGLE Catholic IN THE WORLD of their opinion to know what they really think?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Your evidence that Christians hate gays is the fact that there are Christian groups advocating against the legality of gay marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's not hate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'its more fair than assuming you know'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Leinei.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Across the world, there are constant battles to ban gay marriage, civil partnerships (so not just the name, but even rights), gay adoption, protections against discrimination (such as leaving it legal to fire someone if you think they're gay).'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Texas Republican Party's 2012 Platform actually includes the promise to make Sodomy illegal again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't view any of that as hate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not saying hate isn't behind some of it, for some people'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'So someone can't be PRO something w/o hating the opposition?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But not all'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the FUCK would defending someone's right to fire someone simply because they're gay not be based on hatred?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'l'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd fire plenty of people I don't hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i think they are scared yuna '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can fire you because you're a dangerous liability to the success of my company.  Doesn't mean I hate you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just because you think you see hate everywhere doesn't mean that it's actually there'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(not equating those, btw)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being gay can be a dangerous liability to the succes of your company?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'see the stuff in parentheses ^'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I'm perfectly happy living in an "at will employment" governance...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what possible instance is firing someone simply because they're gay accpetable and not based on hatred?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't need ANY reason to fire you'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'these days- if you're not fighting w/ someone your fighting against them, that must mean you hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, you do, in many jurisdictions, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hat on crooked today? goodbye'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unfair dismissal. It's a law and everything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Yuna: read what I wrote immediately before what you bothered to read'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There are plenty of contracts (teachers for example) with moral clauses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's my company, you don't have a right to take my money unless I deign you to be there'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No one has yet explained how wishing to be able to fire people simply because they are gay is not rooted in hatred.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'I think at will employment is a great model too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you're a teacher, and you have sex outside of marriage, most of their contracts make it legal to fire them'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'doesn't mean that they hate anyone that has sex outside of marriage'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, I'm not talking about people who have signed contracts with moral clauses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ffs. i wake up and you are here. i go out - you are here. i come home drunk - you are here. i go to bed - you are here'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about people just firing people for being gay from, say, being a barista.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who did that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm pretty sure very few schools have contracts that state that teacehers cannot have sex outside of marriage...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who has actually been fired for being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it seems to me that nuts doesn't have a job and is leeching welfare and freezing old people to death because he needs to troll this channel all the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either you're being a facetious troll or you're willfully ignorant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the reason that the RCC disregards some of the NT scriptures, is that the RCC believes that the Apostolic Successor of Jesus and Peter (aka the Pope in infallible imprimatur mode) is the true interpretor and disseminator of the earthly "word of god" -- in the early centuries AD, the scriptures were viewed as "suggested guide" and not as the "biblical word of god" -- the early RCC chose the books gospels epistles etcetera that formed Canon of the eventaul "scriptural word of god"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the heck is the RCC?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Roman Catholic Church?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that can't be true, dagnir, i earn less than welfare scroungers'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is that possible?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can legally fire you for being a Yankees fan, as long as I do it equally across all protected categories.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was asking who had actually been fired for being gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you obviously don't do any work since every time i open the mud window you are here, trolling'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find that a time-zone thing, dagnir dear'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we're pretty much in the same time zone'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'heh, what zade said. Catholicism is basically a different religion to the christianity depicted in the bible. Papacy believe that their physical lineage allows them to make up doctrine as they go along.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll know it's 19:43'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being a Yankee's fan is not a protected class.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Their argument might be that "being a yankees fan" shouldn't be any more protected than "being a homosexual".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, and you were also here in the morning and noon'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'completely unproven physical lineage I might add'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'today i was, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically i wouldn't be'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(or any less protected, whatever)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'll call you on that in the future'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please do'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'He still hasn't told us who has been fired for being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i doubt he could, either'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i know of a good one- but it will work better for me if he says it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Caring so much as to keep track as to when a person plays is some pretty high praise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=fired+for+being+gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of these "outrage" incidents that liberals have for very little reason, much like chants of racism, or getting offended on behalf of someone else they don't know'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, in TN's defense, lots of people think that I'm always here as well...until they send me a tell and get the "I haven't typed anything in xxx hours" message...you don't notice the absence of people as easily as you notice their presence'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure, but every time i open the window he's trolling here. except for 2am till 10am'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not even going to bother replying to that, Seiph, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'roughly. depends on the day'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's great, dagnir, but applying the Yuna method of arguing, none of those matches is a reliable soruce'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like asking who's ever been beaten up for being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'rodney king!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'its sooooo prominent you should have all kinds of examples.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rodney King was not gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Rodney king wasn't police brutality it was self defense its been ruled...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Why should "gay" be more protected than "Yankees fan" or "has six toes"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yuna!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'say the us military'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'he was black. didnt need to be gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'for real- the us military had a dont as dont tell'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'if you were gay you were pulled '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you fucktard.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you ADMITTED to being gay, you were thrown out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'military repealed that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's what the DON'T TELL part came in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can be openly gay in military nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the first century AD (even to the 4th century AD), the scriptures were being written, edited, re-edited, erdacted, rewritten, etcetera -- there was no official NT "word of god" then, until perhaps the 4th century AD when Constantine forced the christian leaders to select formulate and put forth a united front and singular scriptural view of the beliefs of the  Roman Catholic Church'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'DADT was only around for 15 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"The Gays" have never had more rights in the US as they have today'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'the repelled it but they still did it-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Before that, there was no "don't tell"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not since the repeal, seiph'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'but thats not a relion thats a government thing-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DO either of you have a point?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't like gay rights. i think human rights fit better'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gays have never had as many rights as now =/= They ahve enough rights.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gays are humans?!?!?!?!?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'still not a level playing field though is it abe?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DADT once existed =/= ????'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'What is your point?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: you weren't discussing whether they had any/enough rights'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, I agree with you, Dagnir.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I wasn't trying to make a point.  Just informing you so you can make a better one'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you say people can get fired for being gay... but you dont refernce it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were discussing that we're all over legislating them out of existence out of hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you say MOST Christians hate gays but you can't reference it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I said that there were ATTEMPTS to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'By a small handful of people'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'as if gay people never get fired for being gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seiph, if you're so mentally retarded (because you'd have to be) that you don't know people are getting fired for being gay, I'm not even going to bother speaking to you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Really? Who!?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Father Jim was fired from the private catholic college for being gay, duh'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Seiph: why do you think they made the law in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'its easy to switch to name calling when you've got nothing to back what you say.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'my sister was fired for been gay in the uk '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although he wasn't a barista'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lovely weather we have today. Did you know that when DADT was in effect, you didn't even have to tell? Sometimes the military would ASK you anyway and dismiss oyu even if you didn't tell.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'are you seriously asking that question seiph?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'yes i am-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'because remember we're discussing that Christians hate gays here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'so if he cant name any names then its never happened?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Its his main bullet point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There was a case where a (female) officer was to be questioned by the police, not because she'd done anythiong wrong, but because she was a witness. The police rang her doorbell and when there was no answer, they peered inside. They saw that there were pictures in the house that identified that she was a lesbian (pictures of her and her partner). They immediately informed her superiors, who then dismissed her.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'if thats his strong point on why christians hate gays its pretty weak'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'god doesn't exist. afk. have fun'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She didn't tell anyone. They ASKED and then threw her out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'you know hes right. you're just being awkward'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"never happened" is much different than "is a recurring theme and a way to show that people xxx hate people yyy"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei . o O ( No one ever answers my questions on this channel :( )
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'my mother is a new born christian and hasnt talked to my sister in 10 years. '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody has claimed that it has never happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'One person- what was her Job? Did it violate a moral contract?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'if that is not hate....'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'goes on all the time. its called prejudice'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know a lot of new born christians that they do hate gay people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I know people who haven't talked to their siblings in 20 years who aren't new born christians...and?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you mean Born-Again? I believe that's an actual sect and not just a term.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'she dosent talk to her because she is gay abe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'we talking about that '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and, ronda?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, Abelinc, that's not due to hatred.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'diont know yuna they say they born new christians'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ronda's mother is just concerned her sister will never beget kids or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is crazy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'apparently born-again is not a specific sect but can refer to "christians" from a variety of denominations'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yes, prejudice- against Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, Women, Muslims, Mormons, hell looks like Christian Males and Scientology is the only safe route...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'born again is not a denomination/sect, no'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it refers to discussion Jesus had with Nicodemus'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought it was an actual sect. Apparently, it just means you became a Christian later in life.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, john chapter 3'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'So Yuna, you should just say 'hey i dont know enough about religon or the peoples beliefs within them to speak on this subject." and be done with it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's often used to refer to the holy spirit going into you'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did anyone hear anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smelled some burning'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Must've been the air rushing through Seiph's ears.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'To say that because we christians vote to Progress homosexuality- we must hate gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'that we dont'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't even make sense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And is the opposite of what I said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'that we -dont- i correct myself easy on your finger-rage'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there's a huge difference between NOT voting for a measure and actively FIGHTING IT and erecting BANS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'So then- what your saying is to Campaign for something is ok- but to campaign against it is hate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there's a huge difference in not believing that certain actions are moral and hating those who perform them'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'its ok to have a voice if you want something- but if you dont its hate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Way to not understand basic English, Seiph.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually that was a good English restatement of what you just said, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'cut to the point seiph. is homosexuality immoral in your view?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'what about that is wrong- what about what i said doesn't follow...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc: Yes, but there's a very fine line and people are blurring them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In their mind, they just hate the sin. But when they shun gay people, they're transferring the gay to the PERSON.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I don't believe smoking marijuana should be legal, that doesn't mean I hate tokers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but if you campaign against the legalization, IT MUST MEAN THAT!!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you openly discriminate against smokers of marijuana not based on anything they did or said, but because you know they smoke marijuana, that's transferring your hatred of their "sin" to them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yuna- you are one of these single minded people who are confusing it-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sortof agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not associating/shunning, again, is not a sign of hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'with what TN?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts, stop agreeing with me. That's just scary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, wanting smoking pot to be illegal is completely unjustifiable anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you have a resturant and you ban someone from it for being gay, how is that justifiable by saying "I hate the sin, not the sinner"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Your argument has been that people fighting against gay rights means that they hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'who does that tho luna!?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is that different than fighting against the legalization of marijuana?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Show me one resturant that has a friggin gay ban'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'JustFuckingGoogleIt.SeiphFuckwit.Com'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why bother campaigning against it if you don't mind them? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, local very popular tourist restaurant took a lot of flak a year or two ago when he posted a sign that you must order in English'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'seiph there are plenty of those in the northen states of mexico. They even kill them if they know they are gays. '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Was one here that banned kids under 2'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"don't mind them", "hate them"...very far stretch between those two things...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, christians kill people all the time now'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians 14:34'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I learn so much on debate chan'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kill your unruly children. Kill anyone who tries to get you to change your religion (so kill all of those Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses! Do it now)!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: '0h 10'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'ok i googled "Resturant gay ban" and all i saw was the chick-fil-a stuff. so where is your 'prized' nugget of truth- where is this resturant that bans gays?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's clear from looking at other references/context that it specifically referred to the idea of women not teaching in the congregations. Not that they should remain silent at all times.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Jesus had no problem talking to the Samaritan woman at the well for example.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, way to not understand basic English, yet again Seiphfuckwit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and chick fill-a thing was bunkem anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1 Timothy 2:12'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Then break it down- '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say there are restaurants out there with official, open standing gay bans. I said if there are instances ofp eople banning gay people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course, they would never state that openly because it's actually often illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I doubt it's illegal, actually.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'for a resturant'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'so because someone whispered about it in a back alley means its happening?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so we just downgraded to something that christians as a whole routinely do, to something illegal...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's pretty clear that the bible does not endorse the idea of female priests/vicars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said it's something Christians routinely do, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop reinterpreting everything I say in your mind. It's not gonna help you when there are public records available on -h.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the whole thread is about you stating that christians...as a whole people, hate gays and act accordingly'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yuna is all over the place Abel he doesnt know what or where hes going with his back-less arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. 1 Peter 2:18'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'dagnir, not sure what you are trying to prove with these quotes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stop stating things and then pretending that you haven't said them, then'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just spicing up the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in no way does the bible endorse slavery. It provided some regulation for already existing customs however.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You asked for examples, I provided some. Never did I say EVERY Christian or the MAJORITY of Christians engage in these specific activities.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'And stop stating things you're not willing to back with fact.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you provided some? where?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, so you've decided to join Seiph in feigning ignorance, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'some b&b in england told a gay couple they could not share a bed. they had to pay 3 grand compo to the gays. theres on for you seiph. and there are probably millions of other instances throughout the world over the years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've thrown out a whole lot of retoric, certainly'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's good to know I can stop treating you like you possess even a modicum of integrity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'millions now'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yuna, you're playing the ignorance card? You're just making shit up and expecting us to belive you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'where do you live seiph?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Claiming gays are never fired for being gay or discriminated against by businesses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'You're thorwing out balnket statements'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either extremely sheltered or a bunch of fuckwits.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can show just as many instances of non-christians doing that as you can show of christians doing that (which so far, is zero).'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: show where we claimed anything of the sort?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i live in Pensacola FL'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'because for you not been able to see this kind of things at least once'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'its like LA 2.0 down here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seiph: I'm guessing going to college there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course you never would, Abelinc. That's because you're a weasel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Nope, i'm a beach local.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i see  and you havent seen any of these things. Not once?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weasel! that's 10 points!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'on slavery there is a passage in the bible that says slaves should not seek to overthrow their masters. i cant remember where tho sorry.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm a weasel for not stating something which would be false, which you're accusing me of stating?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just insinuate it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how's that work, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'man, this is so unobjective and getting derailed super fast'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, seiph: I figured you for a PCC guy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Where the population has atleast a 25-30% gay rate by now... they work- they live lives NO ONE i know or anyone they know has ever been fired for being gay. So thats more fact to me than Luna here provides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You imply it, you demand proof for something for which you shouldn't have to provide actual proof, the way the Birthers scream for Obama's birth certificate and then chastise the opposition for refusing to comply with your ridiculous request.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'come off it abe. i always thought u had a brain. whats your beef with gays?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'whatB4s a pcc guy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd like to know what city you live in that has a 25-35% "gay rate".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'd very much like to know how you could possibly consistently misspell my name as Luna when the L and the Y are quite far apart.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, so the stuff you claim, I should not ask for evidence of, and the stuff I DON'T EVEN CLAIM, I must provide evidence of...and I'm a weasel with no integrity...gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'haha no i was raised in a catholic house hold  but i've always believed in jesus and not the church so...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never asked you to provide any evidence, Abelinc .Stop LYING.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probably the same way that you consistently misspell seiph as fucktard'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i said i live in pensacola FL'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't that a very religious and Deep South state?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'where yes 25-30 maybe high-- but i bet its pretty damn close to that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, how could you POSSIBLY know that no one in your town has ever been fired for being gay? What do you live in, a 2000 man town?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Florida, no- we're so far south we're no longer south.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'hold on let me repost that message so you can reread'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Where the population has atleast a 25-30% gay rate by now... they work- they live lives NO ONE i know or anyone they know has ever been fired for being gay. So thats more fact to me than Luna here provides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei . o O ( I grew up in a town of 250 )
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How could you POSSIBLY know NO ONE you know has EVER known anyone who's been fired for being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'key words- no one I know, or anyone they know...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you know, like, 10 people? And have you asked each and every one of them if they know someone who's been fired for being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you just send out a mass text and get confirmation from EVERY SINGLE PERSON you know?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Dude if you had friends, you would understand.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Someone in the crowd yells, "BURN!" Tigernuts seems to agree!
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does the subject of "Do you know anyone who's ever been fired for being gay" a common topic of discussion among your circle of friends?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'well its more solid of an argument than you have'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'what was yours?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'oh wait thats right "omfggoogleit"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, "Me and my friends have never met anyone who's been fired for being gay" is a very shoddy litmus test of whether a claim is correct or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your claims reeks of deceit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did ENDA get passed this year?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'it still has less holes than yours.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And since you seem to actually be openly arguing that no one is ever fired for being gay, you're either trolling or mentally disturbed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ENDA has not yet passed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'im not arguing that noone has'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'did i not ask you to speak of the us military'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So why are you demanding proof?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why demand proof for something you know to be true?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'ok your rambling now-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nice deflection.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'take this where you want but you cant tell me where these gay firing christians are'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'and you've yet to accept that most relions teach to accept everyone not hate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, I never said Christian fire people for being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a separate argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'oh we've split the argument to better suit you now? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I never claimed that Christianity doesn't teach people to accept everyone. In fact, it's A PART OF MY ARGUMENT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'that was your argument for this hate thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you're confused'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Christianity and Jesus teaches Christians to love everyone, yet Christians still hate gays.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'becayse thats not what you've been saying'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I made the following argument: Christians hate gays. Abelinc's counter-argument: Just because you oppose gay people and their rights doesn't mean you hate them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My counter-argument: So if someone fires someone for being gay, they don't hate them?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't actually argue that it's some kind of Christian practice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I argued that if you fire someone for being gay, it's due to hatred. This TIES into the Christians hating gays thing, but I did not argue that firing gay people is some kind of Christian practice only Christians engage in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that they're mot likely to fire people to for being gay than not-Christian homophobes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you fire someone for their sexuality, then it's not necessarily because you hate gays'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'and where does your gay ban at resturants fall in then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And again you completely misinterpret BASIC ENGLISH'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Maybe you just can't speak it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said there were restaurangs with standing, public gay bans. But if you ban someone from a restaurant because you find out they're gay, that's hatred.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'yeah but it looks bad though doesn't it tiger? '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you were dropped on your head repeatedly as a child.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'And i asked you to show me where thats happening'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I told you you're being a fuckwit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that fire somebody for being a sex-pervert, that may be from disgust and to avoid further contamination'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you can't use blanket statements like that as if its solid proof of hate and discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem-reaction-solution'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either you're a troll or willfully ignorant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'did u miss that bit about the b&b in england seiph?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is not something that should need sourcing. Like asking someone to source that Buffy the Vampire Slayer was a TV-show.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's common knowledge, it is well documented.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else you argue against must be sourced'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Tofting FUCKING TOLD YOU already.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'I did miss the B&B thing in england- '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I happen to know of that incident, by the way. It's against U.K. law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard of gay couples being refused adoption, the B&B thing came down in favour of gays'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So they sued and won, easily.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it was rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why not'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the correct interpretation of the law, doesn't mean they were 'wrong' in the biblical sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'biblical sense is irrelevant in terms of right and wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And in the eyes of the law.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Especially as it was proven that that B&B didn't discriminate against heterosexual un-married couples sharing a bed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the eyes of the law, and 'right and wrong' and not the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"They sued and rightly won" is not about what is right and wrong in YOUR eyes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'damn right'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's about what the law states.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there is often a large degree of coincidental agreement'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'you've sill not explained why it was wrong tiger'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what was wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'People should have a right to do what they wish with their property'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'homosexuals are unworthy to adopt children, since that may violate the children's right to be raised in a non-homosexual home -- homosexuality is a (contagious) psycho-mental-disease'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They ran a business.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe provided the B&B owners were up front about their requirements, they should have been allowed'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the law dictates otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'true. but when they open to the public you have to treat people with respect.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sure, if there was nothing in their advertisement about it, then you're right'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'you dont have to treat people any other way than how you want to'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends on who you are and in what capacity you're "treating people the way you want to".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'even if there was something in the ad im still right'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'No it doesnt-'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree,  tofting'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A clerk at whatever institution offers marriage licenses refusing to give one to a gay couple in a jurisdiction where same-sex marriage is legal is commiting A CRIME.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i know u dont. weve had this before.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'To allow one man to be as he chooses gay or not- is the same right thats granted to allow a man with prejudice to live with or without prejudice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not technically or actually true, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "depends on who you are and in what capacity..." was too hard for you to undesrtand the first time?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'who started this debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure it is, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Yuna- What is with you and that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'church can refuse to grant a marriage license to gay couples, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Most such officials swear an oath of some kind.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the church do not hold a monopoly on granting marriage license'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'You're sayng "depending" means there is -some- limitation on your right to free speech?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Churches are exempt. You know very well I did not include them for obvious reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'They chose to swear that oath- and by swearing oath they are liable and responsible for their actions- tho they can still act how they choose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'imagine you and seiph were a gay couple. how would it make you feel to not be allowed to be with each other in a hotel like all the heteros'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'churches are not an institution that provides marriage services?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'we'd go fishing or to the koa'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because I didn't feel like having to tack on "Except churches".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop being facetious.,'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'and then you go to the supermarket but you are not let in in case u contaminate the food'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big chasm of difference between expressing a view/speech/religion and actively discriminating'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'its a good job religion is on the decline or gays wouldnt be able to come out like it was 50 yrs ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seiph will be right back! 
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How unfortunate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: '8% of the world are atheists'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'did u count that yourself gregor?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, tofting, it's a problem that doesn't require legislation'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'nah, and I'm not claiming it's overly accurate. It's a good rough guide though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a business declines trade based on religious belief, it loses the trade'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote with your $'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I do believe you're mistaking "Atheism" with "Irreligion".'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are many Buddhists out there. Buddhists are Atheists.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ok, Irreligion then.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not getting them confused, just using the most standard terminology.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'so you should be permitted to not give homos a job?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to WIkipedia: "23% are not religious"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just because people are making the same mistake, it doesn't mean you should make it as well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'also, irreligious doesn't mean atheist either =P'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I shouldn't be required to give anyone a job'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's my fucking point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'some people believe in God but don't do anything religious'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The link linked to in the WIkipedia article is for "Irreligion"...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'abe thats not a valid comment'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it most certainly is'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Ok, and I was discussing atheism. Not including Buddhism.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people want to believe in God, let them, provided they're not unduly affecting my life, i don't care... i mean, people believe in crazier stuff..... like Obama being any good for America'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how no one's argued that the, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if I choose to hire, I choose to hire whomever I wish'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'not if youre getting it from what i said'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'name someone who's argued that on this channel today.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gay or otherwise, you have no claim to the job that I am looking to fill'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name someone who's argued that on this channel today.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Yuna and Tofting are two names'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, we argued that you're not allowed to FIRE someone for being gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"not give homos a job" is not about firing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'you may absolutely hire who u wish. but what u should not do is NOT hire someone on the grounds of their sexuality'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'or race. or any other stupid reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, some jurisdictions actually make it illegal to choose not to hire someone simply because they're gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I should hire someone based on whatever the hell I damn well please :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'wow youre magnificent'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, positive discrimination is just a big an issue as discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depending on your jurisdiction and what business you're in, that's not possible.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'but there is also legislation saying you have to hire based on race too.. thats not right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that, abe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Why should he be forced to hire someone based on what you believe or state?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes I am, tofting...by that token, I also should not show up to a major corporation's hiring class and be told "If you're a white male, don't bother applying"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody said he should he forced to hire someone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you don't give a gay or a foreigner a job and suddenly you are doing it because you are discriminating, not making decisions on who your preferred applicant is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But he cannot deny someone the chance of a job because, among other things, they're gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just that, if I choose to hire someone, I should be forced to hire a PARTICULAR someone'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like say they're qualified. They have a great interview, they are qualified for hte job, they have great credentials. If Abelinc says "I will not hire you and will instead hire someone less qualified because you're a fucking fag", that's actually illegal in some jurisdictions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i get what you're saying about pos dis. but thats just there to give the minorities a lift. its not as bad as the other way round is it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As is firing someone simply because they're gay.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'and more importantly completely immoral.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be almost impossible to prove that someone wasn't hired because they were gay, unless it was given as a specific and unjustified reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hire somebody with less qualifications so they may be paid less'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone else might just 'fit in' better'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'completely immoral is your personal belief, tofting...but you can kiss my ass with your personal belief ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'thats a major problem tiger true'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'nice one abe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bow deeply.
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'depends on what your workforce is like.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have some influence on the hiring process where i work, and one of the last things i look at is qualifications'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hire somebody with less qualifications and more team personality <--- may be iffy'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Thats not a major problem, Tofting.  I'll hire who I believe will best fit in my system regardless of qualifications, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, paper is just statistics...credentials often don't speak to real-world ability'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'especially with todays education system.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'And no one has the right to tell me who I should or should not give my money to by employing them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'In the private sector anyway =p'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unfortunately for me, I personally don't have an entreprenurial bone in my body...so while I'm used to being the boss, my hiring is more regulated and it's not my own dime paying for people...so I just get to bitch here and preach about my perfect world ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there "((don't ask), don't tell), don't flaunt, don't parade, don't be a homosexual activist in the workplace" in the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thought about forming a consultancy, but can't stand the amount of schmoozing and pimping yourself you've gotta do in order to be highly successful'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sexuality of any sort in the workplace is to be frowned on'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're there to work, not fraternise'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so "((don't ask), don't tell), don't flaunt, don't parade, don't be a sex-pervert activist in the workplace" in the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's EEOC for the larger employers'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, being gay is introducing sexuality into the workplace.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sex in the workplace is good for morale'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "don't flaunt" is easy enough to have policies for both straight and gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Specifically in my industry those things while once highly scrutinized have become more and more commonplace and accepted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck does that mean anyway? Men cannot wear nailpolish? Women can't wear "butch" clothes and hairstyles? Men cannot wear earings?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody can wear a cross'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I personally wouldn't employ someone that discriminates based on those items, but that is just me personally.  I'm not going to tell someone else..'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'krynal so if u wanted to not hire blacks because u hated them then thats ok? or female cause u hate women or whatever?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'How to run their own business.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'males wearing earrings are disgusting and disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Do I think it's ok?  No.  Not at all.  But I'm not going to tell someone what their moral and ethical foundations should be,'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tofting: why should he have to pay someone, out of his own pocket, that he hates to work for him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why not'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you gonna give him the money?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'why Zade? Because they disturb you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should set the precedent with their own hirings, again, other people's policies irksome? out them and vote with your $'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if not, then shut the fuck up about how he spends his own :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Because it is a prviate enterprise and I'll hire whom I want.  If I were a public entity, be it a government agency or the like I would...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'abide by the doctrine set forth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'its not about that. its about the fact that he shouldnt hate someone for being gay black female or all of the above'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heterosexual, homosexual, flaunting-sexual, annoying-sexual, in-your-face-sexual, males wearing earrings are disgusting and disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you get to say who he's allowed to hate now?!?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That is an individuals choice though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seriously, who the fuck do you think you are?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't bother.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'why not. religions do'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can request it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just fueling their martyr complex. "How DARE you try to tell me who I can and cannot discriminate against?!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i voted down a potential employee on the grounds that he was an ass'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i know yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Just because you do not agree with their morals or ethics doesn't give you the right now to let them have it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're telling him that he's not allowed to'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that descriminatory?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Not*'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'am I required to have black friends?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some restaurants enforce a reasonable dress-code for customers'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can change clothes for a dress code...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'if these racists and homophobes etc are allowed in your eyes to do as they wish, then why am i not allowed to call them for it?v'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you are allowed to call them for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not calling them for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'You can call them out on it all you want, but you aren't calling them out your forcing your own agenda on them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're stating that they've gotta hire someone that they hate (if they hire someone)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I also wouldn't hire someone for the public front desk who has tattoos all around his/her neck'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, how horrible for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'then why ask who the fuck do u think u are? who the fuck do they think they are? treating other humans as shite on the bottom of their shoe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they think they are themselves...behaving and believing as they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not telling YOU not to hire the black/gay'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're quite able to right their wrongs and give them jobs'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depending on the nature of their business and their jurisdiction, it's illegal for them to NOT employ someone simpyl for being gay/black/whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've covered that, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what happened to people not hating gay people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not arguing what current law says, EEOC has been mentioned, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Tofting, I agree with your personal feeling on how people should be treated but it's more an argument of application.  You seem to...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'feel that your ideas and standards should be forced on others.  I do not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Basically, you're outraged because people's abilities to discriminate freely are being encroached on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but I'll make it more clear by stating that my current statements are all strictly for private non-traded organizations, one owner, limited employees, personally-financed, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you will never admit it's because you yourself are bigoted but will claim it's because you support free speech.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not outraged about anything :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And freedom to... hate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expressing a preference is a bit different to hating'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'krynal by that logic paki bashing is ok then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, I will openly defend the freedom to hate'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Has nothing to do with being ok.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HATER!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Has everything to do with someone's right to have that sentiment.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is lots of discrimination in society (for lots of things other than gender preference)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and your actions and words show that you hate more than I ever will, yuna :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna is full of hate, I think i've pointed this out before'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not here calling people names, retards, etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? I hate INDIVIDUALS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not for what they ARE. But what they say and do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abelinc has called bullshit, you have a right to reply for 10 points'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'some peoples standards are that it is ok. in my country this is not permitted. ie the government enforces its standards by throwing them in jail'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where do you live, Tofting? Pretty sure they don't get jailtime. Hefty fines, yes. Jailtime? No.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'must live in north korea ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'And I disagree with that, but do I hate them?  No.  Do I personally afford them the right to have their own ideas.  Sure, it's your country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'england. and yeah paki bashers go to jail if caught and proved in court'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, if they actually commit acts of violence, yesa.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily, people get jailed here for their speech'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But simply hating and discriminatign in the workplace doesn't lead to jailtime. Also, "paki" is a racist term employed by those very same bashers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That depends on what they're saying, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not all speech is free.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, is brit a racist term as well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'completely against all the norms of an intelligent society'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'depends on the intent abe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should protect the right to hate speech because one day our own speech may be hated'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If someone encourages people to "Kill the gays" during a speech, with a handout, whatever, that's HATE SPEECH and inciting violence. Which is illegal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'nod yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have been jailed for far less than that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Abelinc. Because Brit wasn't crafted to be a racist term.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither was Nigger, yet it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Limeys'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Until Paki started being used as a slur, it wasn't being used to mean "Someoen from Pakistan", as far as I know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bloody limeys!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something becomes offensive when someone decides to become offended by it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: paki has been an abbreviation for pakistani as long as pakistan has existed'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blimey'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing more, nothing less'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'pretty sure its Pakistani.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'and when someone intends offense'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tofting'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intention is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it SHOULD be relevent, but it isn't in the eyes of the law'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'no intent is the only relevant thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"gay" is becoming a dirty word'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'becoming?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, tofting, but that's not the way the law interprets it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with you, but you're wrong :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, nicely worded, TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except you're wrong. Intent IS what matters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'for example ive used the word paki twice without it bring racist'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone were offended by it and complained, you could be prosecuted'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'intent only matters if the word by itself is NOT already considered racist.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A death threat isn't less of a death threat if you're being willfully obtuse.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'youve alredy agreed the law is separate from morality'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tofting: his "you're wrong" statements are only regarding the law, not regarding morality'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, abe'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why he said he agrees with what you're saying (morality), but you're wrong (law)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'soz missed that bit'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unfortunately, that's the direction of travel in the UK and the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Blitish law is Blimey bad -- seems the judiciary is crook intolerant'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I blame it all on the T-ball leagues not keeping score'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british law is bad because the judiciary, originally one of three independant planks of our system of government, is no longer independant'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem has occured in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're all winners! it's a participation prize, not a trophy!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sweet, I cleared out the channel'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And on Dictionary.com, Miniscule has it owns entry while Minuscle simply links to Miniscule.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'All Romney has to do is tie or win and I think he has this thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just don't wet your pants if it happens, but do ready your booty for the umbrella  he is going to put in it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you claim that Obama is not good as president, but he sounded good when he made his promises, and so did George and Clinton and Bush I and so on and so on, so you just know what's going to happen if the mittens wins. He will turn out to be a liar just like the rest :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'lol don't they all lie?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Let's have a more friendly debate. Canadian bacon: for or against?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They ARE politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though it didn't matter whether Clinton lied or not because he turned out to be good for the country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they all lie, but November is so in love with the mittens he actually believes him :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'some lie more than others... It's impossible to know many of Romney's true positions because he's such a panderer'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Not all lying is equal. Look at the fact-checking done during the debate. Both lied, but Romney exclusively lied.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure we can't, but the end result is predictable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'yeah, my dad used to beat my ass for lying. not my brother though, he only kinda lied. he got off scott free, that bastard'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the problems facing the US can't be solved in 4 or 8 years, Bush's rape will take 20 to 25 years to fix.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Obama is most certainly not always honest but there's really no comparison between him and Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if the mittens wins and fails, as he probably will, he will blame it on something or other.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'just like Obama will'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'responsibility? what's that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And Hoover blamed the depression on someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'the depression was my fault, I'll own that one'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Who said Romney would probably win? Not any poll I've seen recently...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the recent gallop polls has him ahead'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'gallup'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Obama doesn't need to blame anyone, neither does the mittens, it is easy to show that there is no way to fix the damage to the country in 4 or 8 years. That's where the mittens is being dishonest, by claiming he can do what Obama can't when, in fact, if he tries to be a good president he will be hampered in the same way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, those'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'does anyone blame lameduck congress sessions for anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or in the words of Seth Meyer and Weekend Update, he's ahead in people who still use land lines and answer calls from blocked numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'What incentive is there for a President to think for the long term when his term is (at most) 8 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but I doubt if he wants to be a president, he is already declared he is going to line the pockets of the already rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'be a good president*'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, gallup has him ahead by a mile...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '7 points?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think that's what I heard'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he clearly stated he doesn't give a damn about the 47%-ners :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, 6-7'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'has who ahead by a mile?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'rofl. what the fuck. a foreign policy debate turned to our economy already? haven't they talked enough about this?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if the gallop poll says it you can ignore it :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Actually, I think Romney was ahead in popular vote, but behind in a state-by-state electoral vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In their last polls'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Might be thinking of someone else's polls, though'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'What percentage of Republicans still believe Obama is a Kenyan Muslim fascist Marxist? Easily in the double digits, right? Remind me again why everyone is allowed to vote...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'romney is going to win, and these folks that hate him will just have to deal with it, I rekcon'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'er, reckon'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'because everyone in the united states has equal freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'A fundamental mistake'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny (but unsurprising) how much of the 47% don't seem to care or know that romney hates/despises them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There are lots of people who aren't allowed to vote :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the mittens is pissed because his father tried to sneak into the president even though he wasn't a natural citizen, so now he's trying that tactic on Obama :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Well, voter suppression aside...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not sure how someone that pays taxes (assuming Sonshi does) _Doesn't_  resent those that don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'here, take my money for free. '
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I guarantee you that there will be voter irregularities in OH and FL just like there has been for the last 2 elections.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'if that's your view, Sonshi, please donate 100$ in my name!'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'and if you don't pay taxes, fuck you, I hate you'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The same way they can donate to charity without resenting the people the money is helping?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you know, something about having a conscience. Might be hard to understand, much like how it's hard for the blind to really understand vision.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: '47% of the country is blind?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'or handicapped?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is the 47%?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess the same applies to reading comprehension'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the 47% are the those in the US that don't make enough money to pay taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, the mittens doesn't promise to improve their lot :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Well, he probably did at some point'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while I'm mildly pissed that some of my taxes are going towards making bombs to kill people, I can't help but view those who are unwilling to part with a bit of tax money to help those less fortunate than themselves as being cold hearted. Clearly, some hold different views...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sure do. I work on those bombs that kill lots of people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'You seem to have a really simplistic view of who the 47% actuallya re'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'part? you make it sound like it is pennies. The amount of money the US spends on the military alone would float more than one small nation each year.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the money were turned into the country there wouldn't be jobless.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so would the amount we spent on social benefit programs'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than one medium-sized one, at that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I lot of the 47% aren't all that poor. Some of them are "useless" retirees who don't do anything "productive" and "leeching" off society on account of, you know, being retired.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how much more do we spend on social benefit programs? all of it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(a lot)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a balance to be had...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, so you are saying it's ok to waste the money on bombs (you are only mildly pissed, after all) but hey, if it feeds someone, that's bad. So spend the money to kill not to help live. Got your point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what's the balance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'everyone bitches, what's everyone's solution?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I do not begrudge them that'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Did they not themselves contribute to SS?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if the choice is to make bombs or buy meals, you rather spend it on bombs...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'SS is broke, used to fun a pointless war'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'enough to ensure a decent standard of living. This can be done cheaply, and rescue the economy at the same time, if republican taxpayers quit their whining'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'is that the choice we're faced with right now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'To call it leeching approaches a downright lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'You contribute to SS to pay for other people.  You don't get any of that money back.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'shit, I just ate, hope that wasn't my last meal...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'You do when you retire... that's kind of the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is the Bush "borrowed" the money from the SS fund and it hasn't been paid back, so that's one of the problems.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'no, you put money in SS for those that don't put their own money into a retirement plan. those with other retirement plans don't give a shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yes I do'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'the US governemtn has borrowed money from the SS fund since the 1960s'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Those with other retirement plans still get social security'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The whole fund is all IOUs now'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Actually, without SS, people tend to undersave. This relationship has been studied quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'if you plan on getting SS now, and you're under 30, I have a bridge to sell you'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people work for their entire lives, paying into social security, and republicans want to take that away, and dismiss these (formerly) hard working retirees as victims... sad really.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'SS and ALL other forms of welfare assistance programs were raided for funds the moment they were established.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, all that is required is to balance the general budget. Just raise more taxes from the wealthy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the structural deficit isn't even large, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so take money from one person to give to another?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'We're at about 1/14th of Ireland's debt/GDP ratio... hardly time to panic'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if tax revenues on the top 5% were to increase 10% at the margin, that should about fix the structural deficit, depending on conditions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'That is fundamentally how taxes work...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hahah, yeah. Ireland, love its people and culture, but its economy is really irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that is how everything works in the economy...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Distribute money from those whose marginal utility is very low to those whose marginal utility is very high'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The SS was stolen by Bush to finance his two concurrent wars, then republicans tell the people there needs to be SS reforms because SS is broke...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'when did Bush steal it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well if they are dumb enough to let it happen they deserve it'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Both parties have raided SS for 60 years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was taught that by the Dems.  And Dems were the ones who started SS to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pro-business policies are redistributive. There's no good reason why redistribution should only go from the poor to the rich, and not the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't  know the exact date, if that is what you are asking, but the "borrowing" was made public some time after he declared the wars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The borrowing started (and never stopped) when FDR was still able to walk.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, the insiuation that it is all Bush's fault is weak. Both parties are guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or climb onto his bitch when Th War got too scary for him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one party pushed for both the bush tax cuts and the wars...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are being silly, Hanslanda. The two parties didn't declare 2 concurrent wars, Bush did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Tax cuts can cause the US government to *make* more money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are there any other causes of the crisis that even approaches the magnitude of each of those reasons?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '2007 was the year when the US government brought in the most revenue, ever. Look it up. Bush Tax Cuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tax cuts reduce revenue. Growth raises revenue'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Tax cuts *can* cause the government to make more money, if you're referencing the Laffer curver, but no one know what side of that curve we're on'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'curve, even'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's good to know, November. Now if you tell me to which of my back accounts some of that government revenue went, I'll be glad to spend it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bank account*'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I didn't say they spent it wisely. They just took in a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to prtend that revenue rises due to growth and inflation are derived from low taxation is an outright lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even more than the 1950s when a bunch of WW2 vets with a whole lot of work ethic decided sitting on their ass all day was a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if I think about it, somehow increased government revenue translate to more taxes being paid.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'There's some merit, however unlikely, to what he said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's no evidence that the laffer curve is continuous'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether in theory or in practice'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, personally, I don't care who sits in the White House, since none of their actions will be defensible. What bothers me is that there are people that try to defend political actions who are clearly benefiting a few and harming a majority. Unless you are Halliburton, Enron, or an oil company. You are taking it in the ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, leisure is a giffen good under certain circumstances...'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or Eli Lilly, they suppliers of the wonder drug Prozac :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in practice, a country would not survive for long if the poor were taxed on the so-called "wrong side" of the laffer curve.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and with the usual progressive taxation, there is no eveidence that top marginal tax rates can cross to the "other side" without hitting 100%. (discontinuity)'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You kind of get the sense that neither of these guys really know what to do to solve Middle East problems. I think they can have buzzwords like Strength (romney) or Coalition (obama) but that's all they really got.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sigh, I miss the days of Ronald Reagan who had a clear moral authoritative strategy of strength that won a Cold War.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Twitter numbers are nearly half of the last debates. Americans are tuning out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you mean gorbachev, who kindly lost the cold war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it seems nuts is actually working today'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything happening here ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that sucked'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'what did?! Where do I stand in line for this treatment? 0_o'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Romney kicked ass in the debate.  What are you so down about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presidential debate on foreign policy was 90 minutes of my life i'll never get back'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kicked ass? oh please, they're almost inseperable on foreign policy, only difference is the american empirism, hypocrisy, and warmongering is mainly covert with obama and overt with romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mitt went in with a specific gameplan in mind, and he totally nailed it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he might have, i still don't agree with either of their foreign policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more accurately, i vehemently disagree with their foreign policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'debates haven't been meaningful since the 2 parties got powerful enough to take moderation away from the league of women voters'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty accurate'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be more meaningful if they had the other candidates'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it wouldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would, you might get some alternative policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those who wear their policies on their sleeves wouldn't last long enough.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd still rather see them'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than Barack 'No policies' Obama, and Mitt 'Nuke the middle east' Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mittens track record at Bain suggests if elected, he will send all the jobs overseas, sell off the assets, pocket as much of the profit as possible, and pass the husk over to some patsy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the entire point of the debate isn't to get the message out, it's to make your image more favorable than the other guy's.  Romney went into this last debate knowing the voters didn't want to see more attacks, so he just let Obama run all over him with his horses and bayonets.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already happened under Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the jobs are overseas already'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not really any significant amount of jobs left to send'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and job export to china ceased in late 2010, approximately'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which reminds me I was going to check some chinese demographic figures'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'honestly, that just sounds like drabble to mask the fact that the majority of people thought that Obama crushed the third debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..they might be headed for Japan x 10 in twenty years'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'breaking news: China's still horribly overcrowded. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody crushed anything, it was shit'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the polls are showing different, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have not seen the debate and don't support any of the candidates, so I don't really care about that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'a cnn poll released says 48% of people think Obama won the debate compared to Romney's 40%. romney sucked in the last debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good luck to you, romney wins you'll be having a nuke war, if obama wins, welcome to re-education camps, a police state, and the death of freedom'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy have you ever got a hobson's choice'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sucks to be you guys, seriously'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'according to fed/bls numbers, about 2m of the mfg. jobs lost during the past decade were due to improved efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'aka. better robots and such'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those jobs didn't go to China, and they are never coming back'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'good for me, I make robots'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada coaches The Jerk Fiendish in the subtle art of *beep* legal scripts.
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah, a lot of people don't realise that manufacturing jobs won't -be- coming back, robots do most of it these days'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'exactly, the solution is better education. The grunt jobs are slowly disappearing'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something similar is likely to happen to China during the next decade - lost of factory jobs lost to robots'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better education for what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'for the people.....? clearly'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for them to do what, Saric?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'controlling and repairing robots, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm still not sure how much of the factor income shift is due to machinery and how much is zombie banks'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'research, invention, and building these robots that are "taking our jerbs"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gonna need a master's just to do menial labor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'roboticists will always need gardeners and maids, oops roomba'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll never be many jobs doing that, Saric, by definition'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'uh, no. There's always space for research'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, there isn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'robots are smarter and more loyal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'research is expensive, it will only be done if there's a return'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'literally every large company in existance does extensive research'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basics of economics should tell you that research cannot fill the void of manufacturing'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'tigernuts: that is why it should be funded by government for the public good'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who funds the government?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the only company that does actual science is aperture science'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'based on campaign spending? bankers :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'ok, an intelligent and educated populace is more likely to find potential returns, start business, invent profitable things, etc... seriously, how on earth can you argue against education, of all things?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yo mom! Yo mom funds the government Now shut that bitch up before we cum-start her head!'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats just it, the only reason the economy hasn't been in a deep depression for 10 years is because of the derivatives money, i.e invented money - causing huge debts for the next generation. It's pretty obviously not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the UN Bioethics and population science people want to depopulate the planet by about 90%'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'taxes will ensure the rich don't bother wasting effort on something that's just going to be taken from them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm ok with depopulating'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you first'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'll be on the A ark'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'as a highly skilled roboticist'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your ark will be sunk'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'lost in space, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, it was a waste of 90 minutes and both should be ashamed of themselves for being hypocrits'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if election cycles prove anything, it's that hypocrisy and lying work really well'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because the electorate are dumb'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I blame television'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll start with Africa.  It's already trashed with first-world technowaste, war is almost a national pastime for much of it, and, hell, even God doesn't like the place ("Blood Diamond", starting Leonardo DiCaprio and that african guy).  Take the people out, and we've got a ridiculously enormous landfill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'journalism has been dead for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I blame the state supreme court of florida for saying that television news media have'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no obligation to tell the truth'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest hypocrit moment was Obama castigating Iran for being a state sponsor of terror'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone pass the guy a mirror'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'btw, I believe 4 of the 3rd parties are debating tonight'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not in any meaningful venue'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's impressive given only 2 3rd parties are contesting most states'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'there are always like 10 parties'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's impressive is that they'll be getting less ratings than AirAmerica.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I just heard on the radio that doctors have shown that feeding your kids organic food doesn't give them any extra nutrition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'talk about a strawman. the point of organic food is to reduce pesticides'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in science, though, it's not actually true until it can be proven.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why we had studies to determine if water was wet (it was determined that it was), if you could get a chimpanzee high on cocaine (you can, and with similar dosages as humans), and exactly which species had the largest penis relative to body size.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe it's because, in many fields of research, there is, shall we say, a shortage of common sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, perhaps rather, a willingness to spend gov't money on your own career, whether or not the research is useful'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We may have 100 times the number of "researchers" we had two generations ago, but we have also had a similar change in the type of research being done, since, sadly, the number of very clever people doesn't change that much'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so I have seen PhD's awarded in Norway for brilliant and useful findings like - if you talk to people you can get to know them (psychology), or "boys are more likely than girls to draw pictures of machines (pedagogics)'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in my own fields you get a thousand finance researchers applying the formulas of a dozen very smart people to slightly different situations and passing it of as clever contributions, or law professors trying their best to make social security law look complicated (at least in Norway it isn't)'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'related - http://youtu.be/yr_Rpk9HR1g'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs for the boys'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..a physician I know got a phd after finding out that people with stomach problems would feel more uncomfortable than people without stomach problems if they ate/drank a pint of soup very quickly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Anyone for Spellup?'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'meh mis, obviously'
T3/r7/2012-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Obama!'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any other reason is big time bs. If there is no profit, there is no war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone home here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fearing a movement calling air travellers to "opt out and film" tsa fully body scanners this thanksgiving, Big sis removes fullbody x-ray scanners from a bunch of airportsa#'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in direct conflict with the narrative given by the whitehouse for 4 days, CBS news publishes emails sent by the executive office on sep 11 at 180:08 that Ansar al-Sharia claimed responsibility for the attack and that it was an attack by a group of armed men'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'CBS certainly wasn't the only station to publish the emails'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i would imagine a whistleblower sent them to a bunch'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip agrees!
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Look man, just because someone admits to doing something doesn't really mean they did it. '
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Clearly, it was the random I hate muslims video'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, and clearly the special forces team stationed in the same compound were told to stand down by accident'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'special forces teams always stand down in conflict, man, read a friggin book'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago man has the word "racist" plastered over his window over a sign he put up that said:  Romney, if you want to be president, you have to say this: If Im elected, I will not bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia and Obama, I built this business working 7 days a week, you didnt.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Race cards are the best.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only card the democrats have left, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tennessee mother sentenced to one year probation for refusing to let TSA grope her 14yr old daughter's crotch'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'setting a dangerous precedent'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 20yr old black woman from Louisiana is in a critical condition in hospital after scrawling KKK on her own car and setting herself on fire in an attempt to incriminate the organisation'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just goes to show you that if you want to do things right, vote republican.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on the radio said months and months ago this election would end up being about race'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'unlike the last election'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'years ago, Tiger.  Fox News pointed it out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, what's up with all the women supporting Obama and men supporting Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything left of center is obsessed with race'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if it's not obsessed with race, it's obsessed with sexuality'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'political correctness, perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably related to the Akin comments.  Women have such weird logic, sometimes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political correctness is a socialist thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, last time I heard, romney was starting to catch up to obama in his approval from women'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I wish women approved of me =('
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'course, I haven't double checked that in a few days, but I doubt it's changed'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Socialists are left of centre, usually :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Aid charities scorn the "affordable medicines facility for malaria" as a big waste of money'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '538 wrote about it some days ago, said there was a large gender gap'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel planes bomb a weapons factory in Sudan'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK parliament ignores European Court Ruling - refuses to give prisoners a vote in election'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway, you can lost your right to vote if you'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'norway isn't in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, are convicted of treason or enter into (military) service for another nation'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We are in the EEC, though, so in all sorts of areas our laws are (nearly) the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why isn't Donald Trump considered a national disgrace yet?'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's worth too much to ignore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'EEA, I mean :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because he's got superstar hair'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the best hair money can buy'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, in his case, the best hair company money can buy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I doubt what he uses is available to just anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no market for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, he's looking for a bit of free advertising for his tv programs, no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$1.3bn was lost/misplaced/held up for weeks or months at a time as a result of sharp processes by UK banks in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like banks are now pointless to the private customer'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and my favourite news item of the day: Romney's son invests in the company that provides electronic voting machines in Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well I'm sure his investment will get them to put in a backdoor just for him'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too obvious'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.gizmag.com/russia-female-android/24675/'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but is she anatomically correct, that's the question.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you seen the video in that page?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'pretty realistic, except her right pupil looks a bit large as if she has had a concussion.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know, and it dosent open alot the mouth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but in a way is like a human...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, for the first try it's excellent. By the time the get everything worked you might not be able to know it's not human.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know, maybe they already have'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you know show the crappy one, but have others..'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'possible, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can bet the government if funding that project :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i dont know if i agree with it or not'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'of course they should be '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure havent really thought about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you can send those things everywhere to mars etc '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not "of course", but governments tend to have bottomless purses and/or don't care to waste money :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but how much ai the thing has? '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and i have seen to many jap manga, and always those kind of machines evolve and want to kill all humans hehe'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the reason I would prefer private funding is because they would be driven to make a profit from it so the work would be quicker and of higher grade.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That one doesn't move in the vid; check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv-_Vai9DgI'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thats crazy is like the movie nirvana'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that one looks really real, if you ignore some of the jerky movements.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea and the other as well was talking in jap'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The natural gesticulation/swaying is what does it; the Russian looks more realistic'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm sure what they've truly got is light years ahead of what's shown, as mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yomx7bXMf2U&feature=endscreen'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea i bet'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they have to get a bigger eye-movement loop, after a while it was predictable where she was going to look next.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'give them 10 years, those things will be walking among us and we won't know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or maybe in less, they just have to fix little things'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, and they are not androids, androids have bio-components :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'what are they?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'robots? hehe'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'robots, androids are very closely related to clones, except they are not cloned, their DNA is fabricated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, once you create the first android, then you clone them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the things in the video will come out of assembly lines :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the assembly lines will probably be 100% robotic :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'AI  www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysU56JzBjTY'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'omg'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i like his accent'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and he thinks he has emotions and goals...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and he said he can entretain... really? So many questions...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can see that the escort industry will take a devastating blow :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yeap'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kThr6CMLrvg&feature=relmfu'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They should make a few others and let the AI advance itself'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first they have to develop true AI. Programs are not AI. They have to come up with a way to create AIs with biological material.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no way to code all the possible neural interactions'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have pulled him out of the closet, Covenant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My good friend Percy Liang would argue that you are very wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'what are you debating about now'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And so would Larry Abbott'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he can argue all he wants, but a program can't cut it. Sure, you can have a program make a robot do a very complex task, and as long as all the variants are programmed in, things are fine. But what happens when the deviation is outside the scope of the program?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can create replicas and let them interact amongst themselves to find said boundaries'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well this robot says he has feelings and that he is scared etc. Check it out all the videos of jules.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you propose to have every possible deviation coded into the program.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will like to see your secondary storage :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a hard drive the size of the city of New York :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that is just for one job :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, from a CS point of view or a bio point of view :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'What happens to natural intelligence outside the scope of its 'program' (principles?)? What IS that scope?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Naturally intelligent beings (people, say) don't behave pathologically in borderline circumstances?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, of course I don't know what I am talking about. Why would I find it difficult to accept that they can write a program that reacts to every possible input.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure they do, Tharnin. But the boundary for humans is actually unexplored, we don't know where that is. For a robot, it is already determine at assembly time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe will be easier for the thing if he dosent have every possible output. hehe (sarcasm)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you watch one of those vids, the AI recognizes his limited facilities'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he doesn't recognize his limitations, the program does.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he doesn't have cognition.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'cognition is an alogrithmic process'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'I'm not sure any AI researchers are really pursuing a "switch with a case for every possible input combination" approach anymore, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, sure, and of course the algorithm handles all the possible cognitive  processes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, of course not, Tharnin. As I said, a hard drive the size of the city of New York, just for one job.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'nah he can upload like cloud'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'New York is probably an underestimate, but right. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you need a lot more interconnections that you can build with circuitry, at least right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe when quantum computers come online that will be a different story.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'As someone who studies psychology as a hobby while studying IT, this conversation is quite interesting, but is missing the point entirely'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The human mind has enough storage capacity to react to most any situation - whether it is the 'best' reaction is debatable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is someone that chooses non-optimally not using their potential capacity, or do they have diminished capacity'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody chooses optimally, beyond 'what they consider to be optimal''
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what makes the human brain (any brain really) work is massive parallelism, not speed. Studies have shown that the signals don't move that fast in the brain simply because the entire thing relies mostly on chemical  reactions, but the data is process in parallel so prolifically that the effective execution is seems it's linearly fast.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If the latter's the case, one could simply produce a limited-scope AI, which is what seems to be the future'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can accept limited-scope.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And you realise supercomputers work exactly the same way? Look at http://www.top500.org/'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whole point is the human brain codes itself - and that is what AI is working towards.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I can accept that, that they WILL, but they are not at the moment. No one really knows where quantum computers are going to take us.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Finger on the nose there. The AI doesn't have to "know everything" when it rolls off the line. It has to be able to recognize that it doesn't know something, remember it, and see how it fits in with what it does know. The rest is experience. (Very simplified version. Don't crucify me, Vakieh.)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is the psychological concept of 'boxing' - humans develop conceptual 'boxes', in which they place like thoughts, concepts, etc. So you might have a box for cat, and a box for dog.  The boxes specialise, 'black cat', 'brown dog''
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, the human (and other brains) code itself, and it also uses previous code. But the important thing is the ability to recognize the objective without being told. If you are going to tell me that telling an AI that he should go to Mars is going to get him to create everything he needs to get there, I say that's bs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ana, you start at FAR more fundamental intelligence than that - first, survive'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Learning increases from that single goal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we survive automatically, that's wired into our systems.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can 2 identical AI learn and program themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'by exploring the boundaries of their AI'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Why? It took us about 200k years, and we still haven't actually set foot there...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wired into our system how?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if they could learn, but what is learning?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: '(Mars. Sorry. I fell behind.)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Everything humanity has ever done, it has done to survive.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wire it into the AI the same way'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aha, that's the beauty of it. There is no hard-coded survival, just the survival imperative.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This sounds a lot like you are talking out your arse'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'har'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'xchan'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when we are in danger we react without having previously been in that situation, we assess the danger and act to minimize it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Without having been in *that exact situation* - that is approximation'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's prolly easier to reduce it to: we choose the highest payoff action'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, once you become human or actually a biological entity, Vakieh, you will understand what i mean.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But humans often choose a lower pay-off action to receive a higher later; not sure you could program an AI to do that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, that works, DosseT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I might never buy candy bars and choose to save, but may buy one for someone else to increase friendship'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what makes the human brain different is that it is able to suspend action when it receives an input and process it later, or maybe never.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How do you program an AI to understand that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The human mind works through this boxing concept, as I said - it takes a new situation, finds the closest box, or combination of boxes, and reacts accordingly'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it chooses to react.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And if you designed a computer in that manner, it could too'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the human brain is capable to record the input without reacting to it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, it isn't - because the recording is a reaction in and of itself'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Per the boxing idea, when do "you" or "your mind" decide to make a new box, or just fudge it into an existing one'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'The recording IS a reaction. Choosing to ignore it is a reaction, specifically, deciding that the stimulus doesn't warrant significant response.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like platypus; it's a mammal that lays eggs, so they created monotremes'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your mind is constantly processing information, working out which is its closest box(es) (and specialising as necessary - creating new boxes) and pulling up  the response it associates with said box'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the recording is only a reaction because the sensors are online, you are saying that input only touches the brain when it allows it. That's bs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: ''ignore' is a response it chooses actively'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that implies there's a period of box-forming past which no new boxes are created'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ignores to respond, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'when does the mind warrant creation of a new box'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DosseT, if you experienced EVERYTHING, ever, completely, then you would run out of boxes - you would forget many, many things before that time, however'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The concept of 'boxes' is an abstraction, of course, the process is far more complicated'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are running down the street to catch the bus, on the way there you stub your toe, it hurts like hell but you keep running until you catch the bus. Then uou sit down and tend  to your toe. That's an example of delay. The recording of the pain was automatic and had no bearing at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and even that is way high-level.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, you derived more payoff from catching the bus than reducing the pain'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My god you are moronic if you believe that Ana'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You understood the elasticity of the situation: that you could tend your toe later and not catch the bus later'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, but more than that, some input can be put on suspense forever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You hurt your toe - you remember that you hurt your toe, and your decision is LEAVE IT FOR NOW - that is processing and reacting'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Vakieh, that is a reaction, so what.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A computer sees you require an update to windows. It sees you are currently running a game, so it doesn't update...until you close the game.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Same process.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that is all programmed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You walk in to the living room, your wife is asleep so you don't turn the tv on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you want to follow back the bus analogy to where it was 'programmed' into the human, here goes:'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you walk into the living room, your wife is asleep, you are pissed off at her, you turn the tv on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how are you going to program that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tend the toe->miss the bus->late to work->lose job->can't afford food->starve and die. Survivial as a programmed goal'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'late for work: -2, pain : -1'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a series of flowcharts, and each node checks a payoff'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wake wife->wife is angry->wife leaves->no sex with wife->no babies->Survival.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Vakieh, how does "boxing" explained engrained knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like monarchs and salmon migrating'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'seems like it applies to external stimuli'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is not knowledge, as they are not sentient. Boxing is a sentient phenomenon'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'a salmon returning to its spawning ground is not knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that is exactly right. But we make up the flowcharts on the fly. We don't have some guy at some station typing in code on what to do when we stub our toes or walk into the living room. We decide on the fly and we can choose do to anything we want at that moment. The AI will, at best, do anything that he is programmed to do explicitly. He will search a database of responses based solely on what the programmers think are adequate responses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you walk into the living room, your wife is asleep on the couch, you walk to your bedroom get a gun come to the living room and blow her head off.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, how are you going to program that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Explain the prime motivation, and it's simple'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ask the guy with the gun'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The program is usually "choose highest pay-off"'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'stop at a decision point (node): what do I derive most from?  choose that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but for a human high-payoff is private, and variable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'can you use books instead?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it could change any number of times in a unit of time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You clearly don't understand how programming works...it ALL builds on base input.  The computer only knows 0 and 1, and yet it is capable of displaying 23,971.  Until you understand that, don't worry your little head over it all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't understand the point, Vakieh. You are trying to tell me that you can code non-linear behavior, that's bs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The person programming the machine didn't go through and set up triggers for 2, 3, 4...23,969, 23,970, 23971. And yet - the computer does it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't need to code everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You break down the situation into its most basic components, then look at those.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, you do, so what  is the smallest unit then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '0 and 1'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, that's very cute.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not really, it's actually quite awesome'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, that's not  true in high level language but I'll let that slide :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat? High level languages boil right down to 0 and 1 regardless of any other concerns'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Humans always choose highest payoff.  If it's not immediately evident, it will become so later (i.e. saving a dollar now to make more later).'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lua communicating to C# communicating to the CLI communicating to C communicating to X86... bam, 0 and 1'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no, C uses an entire 32 bits for a flag.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tharnin buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '32...0s and 1s'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, when only one bite is sufficient :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bit*'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway, you have your ideas and I have mine and I am going  to the bathroom :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have a nice ride!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'would you rather be a leper or a zombie?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'or a zombie with lepracy'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'cant have both'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'zombie. I'd have to wait for something else to kill me'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'leper, your face falls off on its own'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'bump the table and there goes your leg!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'a zombie could live forever and be miserable'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how do you know they're miserable?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'they moan'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'my wife moans, she's definitely not miserable'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not to be debated'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'good point. maybe all zombies are havinag a constant orgazm'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'definitely worth finding out'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Romney slightly ahead in polls the last two days, I see'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I had to pick one of those two people to spend time with, I would to go with Romney. Too bad picking the better (or less bad) president is a bit more difficult.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'National Guard whistleblower: In the event of civil unrest after the election, the National Guard will be quelling unrest and confiscating guns. "Preppers" will be treated as terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes. I'm suuuuure you can properly source that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are preppers'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN founder Ted Turner says "I think it's good" that more american soldiers commit suicide than are killed in combat'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Preppers are people who keep stocks of food and water, and have trained in the skills to survive in the event of major disruption to regular society'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you little twerp. That's not what he said at all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223260/Ted-Turner-CNN-founder-says-good-U-S-soldiers-committing-suicide-large-numbers-proves-humans-arent-programmed-kill.html'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop LYING'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a direct quote from Shithead Morgan's show'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and attempts to "confiscating guns" is likely to get the National Guard killed somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Zade, i think that's the point'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'jesus said i would vote for obama but he is islamic and i would vote for romney but he is capitalist'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you're leaving a lot out to twist what he said to fit your disgusting agenda.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'jesus voted for sammich instead since sammich is the secret to happiness'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a misquote, it's not even out of context'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is "Shithead Morgan" an alarmist rabblerouser republican'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I'm watching the fucking clip RIGHT NOW. That's not even a direct quote!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers Morgan is an ex-English newspaper editor who may end up in prison over the phone hacking scandal'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Piers Morgan: You made the point to me in the break there that more American service are dying. Ted Turner: Are dying now. Piers Morgan: From suicide. Ted Turner: Than are dying in combat. Piers Morgan: That's shocking, isn't it. Ted Turner: No, I think it's good because it's so clear that we're programmed and we're born to love and help each other, not to kill each other, destroy each other, that's an aberration...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as to Piers Morgans' political allegiance? "Whomever is winning" would be accurate'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Congratulations, Tigernuts, you failed to provide an actual quote. You smushed two people's quotes together and then cut out the important part that made it make sense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not killing themselves because they're soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's good to know how little credibility you have.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not killing themselves because they're fighting'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not the point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, yes it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The comment was stupid'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're free to disagree with Ted Turner's arguments. You cannot, however, misconstrue them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And misquote him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And claim it's a direct quote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't misquote him at all, he thinks it's an improvement that now more soldiers commit suicide than die in combat'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the conclusion he draws is entirely flawed'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts: CCN founder Ted turner says: "I think it's good" that more american soldiers commit suicide than are killed in combat" That's a DIRECT QUOTE...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except it WASN'T'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'wouldn't that require him to say something like 'soldiers commiting suicide is much better than when they just used to kill people' ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you didn't provide the context. I had to provide it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's clear you were twisting what he said to make him look like an unpatrotic leftist who hates the military.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? that's exactly what he said, and what i said he said and the context was accurate'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's YOUR interpretation of what i said'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not an EXACT QUOTE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you not understand what the term "exact quote" means?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an exact quote'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'HOW?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's what he said?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK is it an exact quote if he didn't actually say EXACTLY that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm watching the fucking clip AS WE SPEAK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so did i'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so "Shithead Morgan" is a term coined by "Shithead Tigernuts" ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's in the article I JUST linked to on this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because i didn't post the rest of the conversation'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's NOT an exact quote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You merged Piers Morgans' and Ted Turners' quotes together! And claimed it was all Ted Turner.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thus, it was NOT an exact quote of what TED TURNER said.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun being a fucktard.-'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if i abbreviate the quote, it's not the quote, if i give the full quote, it's misinterpreted, well done Yuna have a banana'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you didn't build that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can abbreviate it as long as you don't claim it's an EXACT QUOTE.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tak, must distrust anything Tigernuts posts '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"What, no, I think it's good"'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's how I treat everything Tigernuts posts. He still has yet to provide sources for the claim that the National Guard is planning on rounding up Obama's militant detractors post-election or whatever the fuck he claimed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts seems to think every single anti-Obama conspiracy theory has merit unless proven verifiably false, even when there's absolutely no evidence to prove them true.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yuna thinks everything said in opposition to his lefty communist stance is wrong, even if proven'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody that is not a prepper is more likely to be a traitor'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and worships Obama as a deity'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Obama is right wing...just saying'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama is right-wing by non-U.S. standards. But Mitt Romney is to the right of the right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Tigernuts is still sore about the whole American independence thing, and would just as soon see the US implode...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like the US to return to a Constitutional Republic, Ped, but that ain't going to happen with either candidate'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is Yuna's mom'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Preppers" are good folk (and are evem biblical)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised Tigernuts hasn't openly declared himself a birther. He argued Obama's a secret muslim, after all, a while back, based on a ring Obama wears idiots claim is engraved with Koran versus when they, in fact, verifiably aren't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He then switched to "Well, regardless, nobody can be sure whether or not he's a Muslim. And that ring could very well have Koran verses on it. We just don't see them on that Hi-res photo." Or some shit. I don't know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you voted twice yet, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's impossible to vote twice in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the same goes for the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop people'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you going to join your brethren and riot when Romney wins?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "It's impossible" are you too stupid to comprehend?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I will lol all the way to the bank if Romney wins - about time the US went under'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not impossible to vote using absentee ballots belonging to other people, it's been done many many many times before'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will watch another 4 years of the U.S. going down the shitter. I opposed Bush before he was even elected. I oppose Bush to this day.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not fucking voting twice.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's forging someone else's vote, a separate thing altogether.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh fuck off with your nit picking'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just you telling half-truths, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna cusses too much - and invalidates himself (as not actually believing those cussed posts himself --> sloppy debating)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if absentee ballot voting is such an issue, why isn't THAT what the Republicans are zeroing in on? Why waste MILLIONS on voter ID fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your arse and your elbow are seperate things altogether, and you can't tell them apart either'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the republicans bought up the companies that make the voting machines, duh'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whenever somebody cusses, they bullcrapshitting out their mouth'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So if they're just greedy crooks, why do you support them again?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how you're always raging against "The left" then. So you support... anarchy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, funny how you said Romney will win.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know this is difficult for your peabrain to understand, but there are more stances than "Democrat" and "Republican"'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Romney could win, however scary a thought that is, because in general the American public is dumb and reactionary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... you constantly demonize Obama, the Democrats, anyone on the left. You NEVER demonize anyone on the right (you'll argue against some right-wingers sometimes for posterity's sake, but they're far, in-between and obviously just to cover your tracks).'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have very selective hearing, every time that I have said (and I have said it numerous times) that whomever wins, USA is screwed'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND whenever someone criticizes the right, you're there to defend them. No matter how indefensible they might be.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time you pretend not to hear it because it doesn't fit neatly with your illusion of reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Shockingly, I believe that makes you a right-wingers.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the red pill, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's not use big words if we don't know what they mean, Tigernuts. You misused "whomever".'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be a liability in reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Mr. Obama is a Secret Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your words, not mine'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, actually, yours. You're just feigning forgetfulness again. Or actually just lying through your teeth. I simply do not care anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i just pointed it out as an interesting story, which you'll notice i often do with interesting stories'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except you ended your part in the debate with "Well, he might still be a secret muslim!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's not pretend you're just trying to cover your ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could be a secret jew, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he might be a secret muslim'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly, you're a weasel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't change the fact that he's gone, so it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but not a secret buddhist? '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a buddhist could never be as much of an arse as Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not brave enough to actually say what you mean. Instead, you hide between "He might be!" as if it's some kind of defense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've clarified my position on that. you choose to either ignore or misrepresent it, that's your problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the same bullshit as saying "Is Obama secretly plotting to take over the world! Read our source's rant!" -> "Well, that wasn't much. But there's a source! He might be! We're not saying he is, though!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's his plan to balance the budget?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that's right, he doesn't have one'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's Mitt Romney's?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have one either'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no magical hand-wave possible to balance the budget.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are only ways to ensure the U.S. doesn't fall even further into a depression.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get a majority in both house of Congress and raise the taxes on the rich ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a cool sounding story'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that the one about the UN coming in to monitor the elections?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they've been doing that for the last decade, which is scary'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas loves winding the globalists up'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Texas. It's run by Republican Christian Zealots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas has a very large democrat/UN base in Austin'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately the rest of Texas has more sense'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'More sense because they're further right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah... sense. "We oppose critical thinking in school". Sense... yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically, they have an understanding of the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Constitution opposes critical thinking?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Which part is being misunderstood, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like them? let them declare independence'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of it these days'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I would love nothing more than for Texas to seceede from the nation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure why the obsession with electronic voting, costs 5x as much and has huge amounts of fraud possible'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: '...couldn't possibly have anything to do with the 2000 election or anything...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an improvement'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Where's your evidence to the contrary?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'electronic voting without a verifiable paper-trail is open to voting fraud '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do a google search for it, tons of stories and videos about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'As someone who has dealt with paper to electronic conversions for some seriously sensitive topics - electronic is safer. Not 100%, nothing ever is, but a fuckton more than paper.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electronic voting would be safe if backed up by paper voting'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the conversion process is where 90% of the screwups occur'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the paper and electronic votes can be tallied locally'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put on the wall'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'results verified, sent up to the next chain in the hierarchy - a distributed system gives the least chance of widespread fraud'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Oh, and I'm sure that there are no checks done to confirm vote counts and such with electronic voting...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's done in software, whoever controls the software controls the vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Whoever transports the paper ballots controls the votes, too...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'What's your point?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't transport them, count them onsite'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Then whoever enters the votes controls the votes.  What's your point?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a shit-ton more people who have to be bent to affect it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'electronic plus paper-printout with a encrypted number so that each vote may be verified in both directions, with an encrypted-coded receipt given to the voter so that the vote may be re-verified online (secretly and or publicly)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'at the national level votes don't count anyway'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'have the U.N. come in and supervise... '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some background:'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xu3VSLsj2g'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FPuLNjvAc'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I truly think vote fraud is a very handy decoy from actual issues.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'final presidential debate was shit, btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad i was at work at the time, if i had watched it in my free time i would have been angry at the waste of 90 minutes of my life'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you work night shifts?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then how the FUCK were you at work during the final presidential debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you no longer reside in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watched a recording of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you mean that you watched a recording of the debate while at work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great work ethic there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listened to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't need to see their ugly faces'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'dude, he's playing Aardwolf while at work'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure he's not working at 11 P.M.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That said, he's online during the day an awful lot, though.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your imagination is getting the better of you again'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'London is approx five to eight hours later than the USA '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London is GMT+1 until sunday'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm in the time zone right before Tigernuts (it's midnight over here, 11 P.M. over there). Pretty sure I've seen him online around 15.00-ish.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(on work days)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then is probably a bank holiday or a day off, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're a conspiracy theorist and believe i'm on the mud when i should be at work'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah... I'm the conspiracy theorist for implying you might have bad work ethic while you're all innocent and fine when you insinuate that Obama is a secret Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/syria-crisis-russia-idINDEE89N02X20121024'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing Obama is that can be proven, is a crook'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'oh and an american citizen'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like Donald Trump's hairpiece, Obama is a distraction'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'that can't be proven though'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Donald Trump's hairpiece can't be proven?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see who's the bigger liability, Donald Trump or Joe Biden'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, Trump isn't really a politician, so I think people will be slightly more forgiving of him'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'did you see his latest thing, btw?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, razkin, i wouldn't be so forgiving of Trump, he's a fucking idiot, what did he think he was doing/'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have no idea what he thinks he's doing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney camp should be pretty angry at it, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not defending him, I just think he's less of a liability'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how the Romney camp has yet to decry Trump's antics, last time I checked.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with rich Americans constant making complete tits of themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what did he do now. (p.s. I know I shouldn't care it just encourages the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's probably a sizeable donor, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the fundamental difference is that Biden is the running mate of Obama, and Trump is just a crazy rich guy who tries to dable in politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://uk.eonline.com/news/356829/donald-trump-s-big-barack-obama-announcement-5-million-to-charity-for-president-s-college-and-passport-records'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying Lying Ryan is better than Biden?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's easier for Romney to distance himself from Trump than it is for Obama to distance himself from Biden'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the vague impression taht wasn't his big statement was going to be, i heard something rubbish about a possible divorce that never happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan went to visit a soup kitchen devoid of any patron (they'd all already left), most of its staff (they'd already left as well) and then staged photos where he pretended to be cleaning pots (that were already clean).'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah. Sounds like a decent man to me!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Yuna, I'm curious as to why everything you say has to be an insult, which is ironic because you get on people for being insulting'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why has Obama not released everything humanly possible anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't insult YOU, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama releasing anything at this stage would be construed as weakness'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should he cave in to blackmail, Tinada?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know, but when I try and listen to what you say, it's hard to take what you're argueing seriously'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He should do it to AVOID blackmail'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or just wanton whining (Bitherism).'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It took me some time to understand that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They CAN'T blackmail him. This is "blackmail". Trump is holding 5 million hostage. But he added "to my satisfaction" just to be safe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..by digging up everything about a president/candidate, you ensure that there are no secrets left to blackmail them with'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, Biden's gaffes are more important than Trumps, but I don't think either one really will affect the election in any way'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No matter what Obama releases, it will NEVER be to Trumps satisfaction.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree on that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's just trying to stir up a bunch of nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and if you hold something back in that kind of system, careful people will have to consider the possibility that it contains blackmail-worthy information'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Donald Trump. Just look at his "hair".'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'anything else would be rather naive'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His hair is a menace to society.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As menaces go, it can not compare to a blackmailed president'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the only thing that's interesting at all when it comes to the birth certificate and whatnot is how much time, energy, and money Obama's team has spent dealing with it, I'd just release it and be done with it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They DID release it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, they kind of released it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure if they had the original extra virgin paper thingy they would have released it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They probably don't have the original paper copy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't care about the actual information, it's just amazing how long they held out on doing it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not many people actually keep those. Especially not when they started digitalizing everything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I know, but it was the lack of clarity that always raised my eyebrow'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it was a ridiculous argument to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have my brith certificate :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised he released it at all, really.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is why they should have just released it and moved on'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why cave in to the crazies? And it's not like they accepted it ,anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some that believe the birther thing was a ruse to cover the fact he's really Frank Marshall Davis's progeny'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in not releasing it, it made things look weird, and became a talking point, which it never hsould have'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's noise, that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'distracts from the fact he has a failed record and has no policies'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we have guests who are likely to wake me early'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No president has ever been asked to release their birth certificate before.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, mis!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why become the first one just because a buncdh of whiners are making a ruckus?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think prooving your citizenship is something that shouldn't have to be done, it should just summarily be part of the process'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more police brutality/stupidity: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/diabetic-cleburne-teen-hit-with-taser-after-crash/'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh well, like Tiger said, it's just noise, and a silly argument from Trump'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more vote fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT77qP2Nai8&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't think the proper authorities had already checked that Obama was eligible to run already?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama had ALREADY proven his natural citizenry.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I would hope they have, which means it should have been easy to release'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Proving yourself to whiny crazyheads is not a requirement.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just don't see the reason for not doing it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the authorities are compenent and trustworthy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So every time some crazies demand the President prove something, he or she is supposed to just cave in and immediately release the information they demand?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but there are things that he should be required to proove and release'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'like a birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Razkin makes a valid point, since it's a prequisite of the office, it should be a mandatory part of the process'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would stop stuff like this from happening and being an issue'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'there is no way to stop stupid people from making stupid accusations'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, i need to call up HMRC about some fraud they're committing'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, it's silly, and you're never going to convince the conspiracy theorists, but it should still happen. '
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'you imply he didn't ever release any information?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not implying that, however, it took a long time and a lot of wrangling to do it, which makes it look weird'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ok so if i say show me your penis or you are a girl you are just going to whip it out'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the birther thing only came about because his story and the 'rebuilt' long certificate appeared at odds ed with things him and his family had said and wrote in previous speeches/biographies'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'honestly, I don't care a whit about it, if they say he's a citizen, I'm more than happy to go along wiht it, I just think a lotcould have been avoided if they had just complied with it, especially since it shouldn't be a big deal'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, phone call, having a hard time typing and talking'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The birther thing came about because of racism.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not a big deal? Give an inch, and they'll ask for a mile'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is racism to you, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't dig up all of that shit 'til AFTER the Birther thing started.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if it's not racism, it's because of homophobia'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the ONLY "supporting" evidence for them was what his old grand-mother who's probably senile once said in an interview, not in a speech or biography!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the only source of that confusion and you know it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'so what the hell do you guys do for your own politics?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they didn't dig that up 'til MONTHS after Birtherism came about.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'evening. i see debate is retarded as always. keep up the good work'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only source of confusion coming from Obama or his family? Yeah it is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'is merica really that interesting or is it more of a train-wreck phenomena?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the absence of any policies to debate, Dagnir, it's ineveitable'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government floated the idea of restricting child benefit and child tax credits to 2 children per family'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, the wife called, had to answer, it made my last statement kind of vague and weird'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i miss chemosh. he was proper crazy unlike some that are just braindamaged'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh was openly crazy instead of hiding behind weasel terms and weasel arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chemosh was just obsessed with WW2'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You should've seen DosseT. He was around for, like, 3 days. He could ALMOST rival Chemosh when it comes to the crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I didn't know him, I've only been around in some form for about a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Razkin, both of them were around in the past month.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, then I missed it'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I always enjoy watching crazy go on'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore meets Lord Moncton tomorrow, wish I could be a fly on the wall'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's probably bad of me'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eventually, I just learned to ignore 100% of what Chemosh said. He was/is properly crazy. No reasoning with him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, he didn't even seem to notice when people were trying to engage him in debate. Instead, he'd just prattle on, pontificating, oftentimes to a complete desolate Debate channel where he was the only activate member.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. he spending all morning arguing with himself was a classic'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, not with himself really. it seemed that someone else was talking on the chan but he was the only one who saw it :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and tbh the "obama is evil/muslim/gay/nigerian" thing is weaksauce compared to that'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stopped paying attention to him after "Hitler didn't really hate the Jews because in this translation of a speech I've seen on Youtube, he didn't even mention the Jews. So the Holocaust is fake!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would they have allowed the Jews to form Israel had they known how much trouble they'd cause in the proceeding 75 years?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm kind of sad I missed all that, although, I probably would eventually have just turned the channel off or ignored him'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't get denying the holocaust. i mean, the people who do that are obviously fans and if the dig hitler that much then why would they diminish his achievements?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"i'm a nazi and holocaust is a lie" doesn't make any fucking sense. "i'm a nazi and holocaust was awesome" does'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Denying the holocaust is not so much anti-holocaust, so much as it is anti-semite, specifically 'Why must Israel guilt trip?''
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look good for the stability of the middle east and far east when you now have Muslims attacking Buddhists in western Burma'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Personally I prefer both - the holocaust happened, so did lots of other shit, qq get over it, it shouldn't affect modern policy beyond a simple 'genocide is bad'.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should affect modern opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people need to learn the lessons of history'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Learn the lesson, yes - but Israel exists purely due to holocaust guilt tripping - so much blood to pay for so much blood - fucking insanity'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before someone throws the first nuke over there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How long was it before the USSR nuked the US? O wait.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cuban missile crisis?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, the obvious solution to all the death the semites suffered in WW2 is to make them cause each other more death and suffering!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How many nukes in the CMC?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'couldn't resist...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I blame Robert McNamara for the Cuban Missile Crisis'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'me and nuts blame obama for cmc'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US pussyfooting around the Bay of Pigs caused the CMC'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Of course, they took the wrong 'lesson' from that, and thus Vietnam, so there you go'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and had to fake an attack to start viet-nam'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'vietnam was also obama's fault'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought it was Bush's fault and just landed in Obama's lap'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. bush is also obama's fault'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Oooo'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'All are Obama's fault.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'this is why time travel will never work'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i knew jesus was his fault damn'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still love how Romney's never recanted or apologized for his "Obama is to blame for that auto plant closing.... before he took office!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. obama killed jesus'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i dunno i think he is the one who knocked up mary'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1.5 Ford plants closing in the UK announced today'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'then he killed jesus'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can 1.5 plants close?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 plant closing, a large portion of another plant closing'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: '1 whole plant closes and then half of another?'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs shipped to turkey and russia'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only difference between this and the GM bailout, it didn't cost our government billions of dollars to ship those jobs out'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i thought they all went to india and china'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they go where the labour is cheap and the markets present'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you get what you pay for'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that's obama's foult'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, our labour isn't cheap but plenty of companies have their plant in my country...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(plants)'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama bailed em, jobs went abroad, Romney will change the tax laws so that the money can be repatriated without tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney himself sets to benefit personally to the tune of $30m'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney campaigns response to add claiming Romney made and is still making lots of money on shipping U.S. jobs to China: "Obama hasn't taken China to the mat yet!". So, really, Romney's not at fault at all! It's all Obama's fault for not stopping Romney!'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like the banks, GM should have been allowed to go through bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'lets be honest they are both less than awesome choices'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually, china isn't really even an issue, if you look at the latest stats...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stats on what'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's currency has appreciated, and its surplus has mostly closed'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'its'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still want Hillary to run in 2016, despite what she says to the contrary. She should've won in 2008.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's surplus has closed because the rest of the world is bankrupt and it's own people are spending money on stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'happily, Romney has the pussy vote and Obama's stuck with the old white men.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think Hillary is smart enough to nto want to be President'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's currency is being actively depressed by their government, as eluded to by Romney in one of the debats'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary is like some crazed demon from the abyss'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, you should look at the stats rather than believing what romney et al feeds you'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, here we go again.'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just look at the currency charts for the last 5 years...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, capitilism has been slowly creeping into China over the last decade'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reasonably stable'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up 30% over 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sterling to USD has varied more than that in 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ironically, the tea partiers could get some of what they wish for in a few decades... China is slowly moving out of cheap manufacturing and will eventually try to muscle the US out of high-tech stuff. Then US manufacturing will return... There's that saying about being careful what you wish for...'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means people will actually have to start paying a meaningful amount for all the crap electronic trendy shit that they waste their money on'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news headlines: UK, after legal advise, refuses permission for US military to use UK bases abroad as launchpads to attack Iran'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'what are the implications of that'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK refuses to give prisoners the vote, prepares to ignore calls to adopt the "European arrest warrant"'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none, really Gregor'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"minor inconvenience"'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Turner (founder CNN) makes public apology for saying it was good that more soldiers die of suicide than in combat, doesn't apologise for promoting UN as the world police or for wanting to reduce the population of the planet by 80%'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU reveals new 'unity' poster that includes the USSR sickle emblem'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Spain unemployment hits 25%'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'North Korean army minister 'executed with mortar round' after drinking and carousing during the official mourning period after Kim Jong-Il's death'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that's what the rest of the world will be like if the UN gets their way)'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FCC looks to regulate mobile phone text messages'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Regulate in what way?'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regulate the legality of the content'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police arrest 60yr old woman for overrunning her 3 minute time at a city council meeting'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are almost a million text messages sent every minute in the US. That seems like quite a job to monitor them all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll use computer software to do it, i think you'll find'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they probs just store them in a big database and run filters'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like they are planning to do with CCTV so that people aren't needed to watch them all'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you probably won't get snooped on without a reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you live in California, make sure to vote YES on proposition 37, btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what Al Gore will do now his global warming gig is up'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'He'll continue his hunt for Manbearpig'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or take a regular guest spot on 30 Rock.'
T3/r7/2012-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quiet tonight, yuna must have fingerache'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dal is fixated on me - help :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'once you are fixed it's too late. No way to reverse engineer...'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Absentee ballots sent to US military serving in Afghanistan 'destroyed in crash''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$60,000 in welfare spent per household in poverty'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like a great estimate'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senate budget committee'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if 60k was spent/household in poverty, there would be no poverty'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'median income is below 60k'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is one of the reason i dislike welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd much prefer the government paid every adult a weekly stipend'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the trumps and rowlings and buffets are ok'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a thousand years of whatever the value would be would be a paltry sum'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might be, but pointless excluding a few rich people, you spend more on the administration than you would save'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but those were just egregious (sp?) examples'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would use propaganda to get richer people to use that stipend to make a difference in their community, encourage philanpropy'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wouldn't need a weekly stipend and I'm no where near as wealthy'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether you need it is largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone gets it, it's fair'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the government doesn't generate revenue, if they did that would be 'socialism''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so whats the point of taxing me, and paying me back'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already do'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more than they already do'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fair and extremely cost-effective way of paying welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but welfare money doesn't disappear'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.... eh?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it goes right back into the economy, if you pay people welfare who are doing alright'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they will just save or invest it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't pay welfare for it to go back into the economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you pay welfare so people can maintain an agreed upon minimum standard of livin'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My gov gave us all $900. We all spent it on retail bullshit, retail jumped majorly, right as the Lehman crash hit retail...evened out, and we weathered the GFC better than pretty much any other nation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that as being in support of the idea, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the government wouldn't be able to afford giving a stipend'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government could'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( wasn't Robin Hood  from the pre-UK? )
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psst, Robin Hood isn't real'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he is real just in reverse :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, that's called government'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'stealing from the poor and giving to the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'robin hood many not be real but the idea behind him is part of the UK ethos. Basically, part of any nation's ethos where you find a wealth pyramid with very steep sides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, i live here'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any country swarmed with the poor will have Robin Hood as a hero, the masses will, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your Earl of Outhouse may not like Robin Hood but someone stuck living in the East End may wish he were real.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'giving every adult in the UK a 50quid a week stipend would cost 156bn a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correct me if I am wrong, but 50 quid a week seems like a pittance'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, you complain that 50 quid free is not better than nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what unemployed get. there are other benefits, but this would replace a whole bunch of the existing ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not complaining'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all about making benefits fair, and simple to administer'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not sure how far 50 quid would stretch in the Uk'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should then have an additional 'rent' allowance for those unable to work for those out of work (limited time) and pensioners, of another 50 quid a week'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hence the question'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't go far, but neither do wages'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about if they get a job? trolling for government handouts is a professional sport in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't go far because of the inflated cost of living caused by taxes'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes don't inflate cost of living'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean the taxes required to raise the money to hand out the 26 quidp per :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'high wages or cheap money'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you made it 60 quid a week each side, you'd be looking at around 300bn total cost a year, would recoup most of that through removing the tax-free deductions'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most importantly, 2 parts of welfare instead of 100s'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost impossible to defraud'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do much the same with taxes, get rid of a bunch of them, keep just income tax, sales tax, and selected specific duties'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring that 1000 page tax code down to 20'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make it illegal for businesses to hide profit by paying foreign subsidiaries for services and goods'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are some merits to your ideas, but if any tax should go it's the income tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to tax both sides else it becomes extremely easy to avoid'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i appreciate some people are ideologically opposed to income tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it stands, it would be tough in the transition phase for it to be less than 20%'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for here would need to be 20% sales tax, 20% income tax with a 40% upper rate at >52kgbp'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capital gains and inheritance should be considered income for tax purposes'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even keeping the current huge duty levels, i fear we'd still not balance the budget'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think people realise quite how screwed the UK is, budgetary wise'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'lucky we have you to tell us'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Need to lower spending. Lower the war budget, maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a large war budget'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You're in NATO, so you automatically spend at least 5%, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could disband the military and reduce the war budget to 0 and it'd account for only 1/3 of the yearly overspend'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '"only"? That's huge.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, war isn't a signifant department'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could leave the EU and disband 90% of foreign aid, that would save almost as much'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't know if the UK is diff, but i highly doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'most people in the US hold this misconception that huge amounts are spent on foreign aid'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it is not true'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12bn'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you guys spend 12bn on your military?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign aid'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you were equating them earlier'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and 12bn is pocket change for govts'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, EU membership + fioreign aid'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'UK gdp is what 1 something trillion?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12bn is 9% of the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You'll never find 1 change that will balance the budget.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we solved it by making it illegal to have a budget deficit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I find a populace incensed by a deficit usually fixes a deficit :-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defence spending was 39bn'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We haven't had a deficit since the 90s. We've had bad years, of course, but no budget deficit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had budget deficits for most of the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately to solve it you have to take an axe to something, but everyone thinks everything is sacred'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately you'd need to hack into welfare or into health'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or raise taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or stop subsiding large corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal taxation is as high as it can go'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could do something about corporations, but it would be incompatible with EU membership, and the UN would bitch'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know the UK is a puppet of world government, so it ain't going to happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'EU is gone anyways - wtf would German or French citizens want to be burdened with fucked up nations?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dissolved to UN meeting status in 10 years tops.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if anything should go, by default, it's things that isn't necessary. Military, administration, subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet, vakieh, though we can hope'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know they're getting more and more desperate to stay in control. I mean, Nobel peace prize, what a farce'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What does the nobel peace prize have to do with the EU?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that the EU got it....'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and they're the ones desperate to maintain conrtol'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem isn't the EU, it's the Euro. Different things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is for countries outside the Euro. At least for Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Euro currency is the tool, the EU is the tool wielder'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The issue is incompatible countries attempting to govern universally.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, so we see the removal of sovereignty'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right. But without the Euro, that would not really happen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as I hread it it is countres within the EU that are the problem ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN is doing much the same thing, but the EU is a fast track version'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ranrr, the Euro is the threat, the policies are the requirement'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU is just a trade union, like any other.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is not a trade union'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree, Vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU -started- as a trade union, it's now a european government'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU creates 0% of laws that are passed in member states'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '80%'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those laws are created by an unelected, unaccountable panel called "the european commission"'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe in your country. Not in mine.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The EU needs to be an all or nothing thing. Join it, give up all sovereignty entirely. Petty local agendas fuck it all up for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'EU is full of backwater states that have yet to fathom the truth that the dollar is god imo - the EU struggles as a whole because of it '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU now dictate financial policy to those in the Euro who are in trouble, and have dictated when people have elections and who to elect'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dollar is dying'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chinese currency will be the strongest for a while, unless the UN manage to force the SDR on everyone'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'currency - not just the USD'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tiggr, you really think that? Greece want a bail, they get it, because they have a fist on the Euro. Portugal is on its way, Italy is next.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i think what, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Spain ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The EU doesn't control, they are a beast unto themself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? U tell me ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they control'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They created something 'ideal', and now reality is coming around to bite things'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts just got a face full of Seltsimees Dagnir's balls!
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a United States of Europe was always the plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, because keeping Greece on is GREAT for the EU.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The plan of who?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the illuminati'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo ppl knew the debts of smaler countries and wanted to roll ppl with cash into the mix -- hence France n Germany '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'France and Germany are the powerhouses, and they will shrug it off quite soon. Britain was always the US's bitch more than it was Europe 1945+, it is under no control there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Greece will go the way of Warsaw, and nobody will here it in the news except to say 'awww', same as DRC or Somalia.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'here = hear'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Syria ? Awww ... ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We hear about Syria because of its proximity to oil, as part of the greater Arab Spring.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Have you heard the Fascists in Greece are on track for a majority in under 12 months? Golden Dawn will run the place before 2014.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo Syria bucks the arab spring trend - actual functional resistance '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Good?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you just say Fascism was good?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism isn't good'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but greece taking matters into their own hands is'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Oh yay - less than half a century after they kick Crowley out the invite his leftovers back .. Greece is fucked '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Own hands? Their populace is tearing itself apart, and you say it is a good thing? You're a piece of fucking work.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then ask yourself WHY they are tearing themselves apart'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because they are poor and desperate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'll give you a hint, it's not because they are inherantly evil of 'fascist''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Golden Dawn IS inherently evil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.. france/germany / .. someone needs to annexx Greece imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they weren't locked into the EU, they wouldn't be suffering on the scale that they are now'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither would Spain, or Portugal. Ireland wouldn't have collapsed'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually golden dawn in not inherintly evil mate '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Locked? Greece was heading towards superinflation Weimar/Zimbabwe style, and the EU saved their arse at cost to itself.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested in whether it's evil or not, it's not what i'd support'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Simple economics, Tiggr.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not. if they'd inflated their currency over the period of their Euro membership, it would not have been hyperinflation'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Greece has minimal resources, and heavy imports. They would be fucked without a bailout.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a gross oversimplification'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet the point remains'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is why I say Greece should do well with being annexxed - clean out the criminal/ploitical dirt imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically the EU meant that they went down the hole but had no control over it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with Ireland, Portugal, Spain'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Greece has high debt, low resources, both natural and capital, and is functionally depended on imports. They were a part of the global community with or without the EU, and the GFC meant they never had any control, seperate currency or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pigs - EU detractors - Portugal Italy - greece - spain '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then let them sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, by giving them a loan so the population doesn't all fucking die. Or does 'sort it out' include letting poor people starve count for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't starve'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They were and are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely to starve now'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were starving when they joined the EU?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sovlent green falback Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When the GFC hit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece has considerable resources'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They truly don't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tourism .. '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Olive oil, retsina :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Greek agriculture is STILL suffering from millenia of overuse of land for olives and grapes. The land died, killing classical Greece, and it has not recovered enough to liberate the Greeks from food imports, especially the island portions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all they have to do is what the Jews did to their land, which was of much worse quality. They let it rest.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is what they should have done, but they didn't Anaristos - and that level of overuse dropped yields to the point they are stuck STILL overworking the land just for subsistence farming.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'primary production only breaks even in a transparent economy - Greece is it's own worst enemy - is why I say annexx it - go through it like a dose of salts imo'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You would be a great consultant for large companies that need to cut down. No feelings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My great grandfather's family lived on one of the Greek isles, he came out here (Au) as the population on the island could not be supported by the land.  I currently own and have read over 200 letters between the parents and sisters he left behind and himself, which paint the picture in which all but 1 of them starve to death. Later studies on the land today indicate it is par for the course for Greece even today, and even heavy fertilization cannot fix the poor mineral content of the soil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I believe the y make that clear on job adds .. " must be willing to make hard choices" sociopaths unite !'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the western world is like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the land is chemically dependant'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why people are so unhealthy'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'NO tigernuts. It is specific to Greece and parts of Italy, as olives and grapes are so totally detrimental to the soil. Learn what you are on about before you hit that enter key.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's because the world is overpopulated.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem specific to olives and grapes is specific to greece, but generally mineral depletion is a wester world problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hence the resource wars '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Modern farming methods cause overpopulation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always used to be fields would be left fallow 1 year in 4.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, no, it isn't. We are chemically dependent because of our demand for fresh to excess, and the Western refusal to eat 'slightly bad' food.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemical fertilisers have nothing to do with freshness'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They have to do with speed of growth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My genes, not my location, tells me what food is healthy for me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Grow quick, harvest quicker, because your crops are only good for a week.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'getting to the supply of fruit n veg - the duuoploly in Oz has a lot to answwer for imo '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crops grow at the rate they grow, they will crossbreed to get faster strains, but a season is a season'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can optimise the growing process with chemicals, you can't forec it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bullshit. Fertile land grows bigger fruit and veg quicker. More tonnage is more sales.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they produce better yields'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much everything we grow has been heavily modified to grow bigger and faster.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they dont' grow faster'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wheat is the worst of them, but not the only.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can watch the rate of growth in a sapling in fertile soil vs one in barren. Guaranteed 1 will grow faster.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an optimisation issue'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if ur only sales are through  one of 2 monsters - ur fucked anyway - they set the price '
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fertile soil means the crops grow higher, bigger, heavier, in a shorter time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemicals won't allow you to grow summer crops in the winter, nor will they change the amount of daylight, thus they won't affect the flowering cycle'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basic biology'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Photosynthesis requires more than just sunlight. Using faster growing crops allows you to grow multiple harvests a season, or stagger your growth for harvest at different times during the season.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're on the equator, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You still won't grow a mango in winter, but grow it in better soil, and it will grow bigger faster.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and for certain crops'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like his big tropical storm is coming at the right time for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can decrease growth with less nutrients or water, but sunlight is the main limiting factor. You cannot increase beyond the limit of sunlight with nutrients, how hard you try.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the tropical storm might be helpful, but he pretty has it in the bag already'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided your bag has holes in it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing is a sure thing, but he is definitely leading'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from all the polls i've seen, the electoral college is too close to call and the popular vote has him 4 points behind'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if by too close to call, you mean pretty much a lock than yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'popular vote is irrelevant, but there is 0% chance he is behind by 4 pts'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gallup/rasmussen seem to be outliers'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately polls are always inherently biased, no way to know for sure until the results come in'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only place Obama has a clear lead is 'abroad''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Studies prove me wrong? Well shit, they must be baised.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'biased*'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are biased, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he has a statiscally significant lead in Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '49 -47 is significant?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cherry picking single polls is not informative'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you look at a few his lead is anywhere from 0-5 percent'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5 isn't significant'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ohio isn't a flyover state'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '5%= many thousands of voters'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's within the margins of error, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same is true where Romney is showing 5 point leads'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my web browser seems to not be working even though I am connected to aard, strange'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama has multiple routes to 270 EC'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps your web access is being blocked by your government'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'regardless, Romney has to win a lot of the bg states'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it looks like he'll carry florida'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and in most polls he is behind in the majority of them'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'except in this election florida isn't a tipping point state'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he can carry florida and VA and still lose'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How does someone who actually believes God is an alien from Kobol get this close to leading a country with nuclear weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like he'll carry florida, virginia, carolina'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously doubt he'll get michigan'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would speculate a guess, but it would probably stop the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would bet 100tps romney doesn't carry michigan'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '30 he doesn't carry ohio'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems to be losing Iowa, Wisconsin, PA'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might depend on Pennsylvania'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I didn't check the website you linked because of internet difficulties, but they are incentivised to show a horserace'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when it really isn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a 2-1 lead with Penalty time remaining'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'penn looks like it'll go obama, NC looks like it'll go romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'florida appears to be consistently romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'virginia looks consistenyly romney, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WI, MI, NE all look like Obama to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CO, IO, NH, OH all look like the true tossups'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which according to my created map has 243 Obama, 252 Romney with 43 to declare'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means Romney would have to get ohio or Wisconsin + another to win, which is unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so maybe the bag isn't so full of holes :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you check out 538 Blog by Nate Silver, his model has it at 70% chance of O reelection'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far from 'in the bag''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he was pretty accurate in 08 10'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '70/30 doesn't sound unreasonable, but that's not 'in the bag''
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may be that obama has to thank the libertarians'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for VA?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for any close-race where romney will lose votes to them'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why wouldn't they steal votes from Obama as well?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gary Johnson will take more votes from Romney than from Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fare more overlap with Republicans than Democrats'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on economic issues'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'less on social issues'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? on constitutional issues'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reca'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the constitution besides just being a piece of paper is up for interpretation'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what all liberal nutjobs say, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's what history says TN'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is why people need to be vigilant to protect it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '"facts have a liberal bias"'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also the constitution is not infallible'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution stands in the way of certain democrat ideals, so over time they will seek to undermine it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could never just outright overturn it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you think defining corporations as people undermines the constitution?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether it's people, central government, or corporations undermining the constitution isn't terribly relevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unlimited anymonous political contributions?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but that was a repub wet dream not a democrat one'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'kinda contradicts your point'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what contradicts my point?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the founding fathers warned against policital parties period, which contradicts your point'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure we'll continue this some other time, but I gotta run'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeep looking to move all production from USA to China, despite bailout'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'free market at its best'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'croney capitalism at it's best'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's what i said'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If production is cheaper in X, you are retarded if you don't produce in X'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, so therefore tax payers must be raped in order to pay producer A to move production to X'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The fix is to tax imports as needed - but of course, done incorrectly that is known as protectionism, and fucks up the whole world.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole bailout fiasco, whether banks or car companies, is deserving of a golf clap and a banana'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh for fuck's sake.  Even pet food companies are jumping on the glooten-free bandwagon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Glooten and awwwwwtizum, the two biggest menaces in today's society.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Making triggers illegal would make for an interesting Aardwolf...'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Including scripts...'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the estimated recoverable oil at the eagle ford shale in south texas has been doubled to 4.6 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is about 30 years of production at current production rates.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new recoverable reserves in the giant permian basin fields of west texas have also extended the lifetime of those fields by almost 50 years.  We are drowning in new oil thanks to new drilling techniques that have become cost affective thanks to high oil prices.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a guy lost 202 lbs eating only fresh juice from vegetables and fruit, in 10 months.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'good for him!'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'what rizgoth is leaving out is that the guy weighted 202 lbs 10 months ago... :\'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mokg: 'if you've seen the show I used to be fat(or something like this) people lose 100 lbs in 3 months all the time on it'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'if they healthier is better.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'losing weight that rapidly is rarely healthy'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in 10 months is ok i think.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not that much, no'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'How..did he get enough protein from fresh fruit and juice to survive more than 2 months?'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he didnt'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i mean he had enough i sup'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't have to have protein to survive, just to be healthy ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers at you intently. 
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but you end up getting Kwashior (sp_'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Your body needs to have a certain protein intake or you won't be able to repair your muscles, and some kilos before you run out of muscle, you die.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kwashiorkor'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, you won't run out of muscles, they just won't be as healthy as they should be'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You need at least 5-10 grams of protein each day....the body is quite good at recycling protein, but even the best recycler needs new material.'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'new protein can come from non-protein intake, it's just not efficient'
T3/r7/2012-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know a guy who runs stairway races....and he only eats fruits and veggies, legumes and nuts.....and he is stronger than I am...but he makes sure to eat a wide variety of of those 4 food types to make sure he gets at least 5 to 10 grams of protein each day to help with rebuilding.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NDAA, how do you deal with a problem like illegal counterintelligence programs like COINTELPRO? Easy, make them legal'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'get rid of Hoover!'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but wait... ok, that's done already :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything worth it here ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, nice headline: MSNBC Now actively telling viewers how to vote on gay marriage'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The big question is: Should there even be a vote? Why should government be involved in marriage at all?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the evils of big intrusive governments'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'xmas is nearly a year away, so Rod Stewart has released an xmas album'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Gallup is really taking offence to Obama, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'A-fence?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really hope the anti-paradigm candidates can make a good showing'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last thing America needs is people voting for 'the lesser of two evils''
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Drone-murders of Americans "Totally right, totally constitutional": Homeland security chairperson'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Madonna booed after touting Obama during Concert.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woman is a bloody menace'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vote Obama or the polar bears will die!'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vote Romney if you want good energy jobs!'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my quote was a news headline about a vomit-worthy campaign ad exploiting children put out in support of the obama camp'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or vote Obama if you want (heavily subsidized) "green" energy jobs?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The eagle ford shale in Texas alone is expected to create about 75,000 new jobs in the oil field by 2021....and Texas has 8 shale oil deposits that are known right now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't use those, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You also can't vote, unless you vote for Obama.....they will even allow the dead to vote. :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you expect government to enslave the nation with authoritarian rules and energy rationing if they bring a ton of cheap energy onto the market?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a vast surplus of oil in some parts of the US has caused the avg price of oil from Canada and the US to be $15 less per barrel compared to north sea oil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we wouldn't notice over here, 82% of the cost of petrol is tax'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You guys need to tax those illegal aliens instead of petrol so much.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what illegal aliens?'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU, dear boy, we have no border controls'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are on an island....build some damn ramparts like you did hundreds of years ago!'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an issue of capability, we're a member of the EU, we cannot prevent other EU members coming here'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am talking the illegals from africa.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get so many of those'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they let them in anyway because they're claiming asylum'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let em claim asylum in greece.'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need asylum to flee the wars they started so that they can claim welfare and rape teenagers here instead'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you realise it's all balls'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN asylum laws that most of the world uses dictate the asylum seeker stop and present themselves at the first safe country'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would mean unless you're fleeing from Ireland, France, Norway or Iceland, the UK most definitely is -not- the first safe country'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sometimes miss the iron curtain.....:p'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jormungard: 'hi'
T3/r7/2012-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jormungard: 'lawl'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the United States will soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the worlds biggest producer. Driven by high prices and new drilling methods, U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons is on track to rise 7 percent this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day. This will be the fourth straight year of crude increases and the biggest single-year gain since 1951.'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US uses 18.7 million barrels of oil per day, down from 20.6 million in 2005.'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are people faring with your east cost rainstorms?'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coast*'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Depart of Defence caught memory-holing it's own press releases'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gangs plan hurricane looting spree via twitter'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama administration using Frankestorm media coverage to hide release of unclassified Benghazi cables that shew they knew of terror attack threats for over a year'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there were threats against americans in a muslim country? le gasp'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well obviously, but this was specifically this terrorist cell, and this specific target'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm glad to hear that the terrorist are letting people know before they strike'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's often intelligence of that sort'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was for 9/11, too'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it amazes me how people won't evacute during events like these really bad hurricanes'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just can't wrap my head around that, even when they explain themselves'
T3/r7/2012-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'especially the ones closest to the ocean, who don't seem to understand storm surge.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know why they're bellyaching about 16 people getting killed by this storm.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'OH MY GOD, 16, BIG DEAL.  How many get killed in southeast Asia when a hurricane (cyclone?  typooon?  same damn thing) hits?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'the fewer of us the better '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nature  is Goddess .. drown the Fn ppl that are unable through simple functionality that would survive this ? '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Darwinism ... '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually can say Darwinism - but economic eugenics ... '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'damn, voting next Tuesday'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'already 4 years gone'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'unless your a felon'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... isn't it next Wednesday?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'howd he do anyways I dont follow the news '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, apparently it's November 6th, not 7th.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i don'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i dont know who will win this one'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, you can vote if you're a felon as long as you have already served your sentence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Tuesday, wednesday if you like the other guy :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'is it against the law to vote if your a felon?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i thought as a felon you couldnt vote ever again'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, again, not if you've already served your sentence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'i just mean overall howd the current prez do I know he had alot to tackle when he signed on '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot vote as a felon while serving your sentence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I thought some felons couldn't vote even after they are out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ok so is it against the law to vote while serving your sentance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not illegal per se, I believe. You just can't vote. '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'also you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'it is decided at the state level'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As of 2011, only two states, Kentucky and Virginia, continue to impose a lifelong denial of the right to vote to all citizens with a felony record'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TWO states impose lifelong bans on voting for felons. So I'm SORRY if I didn't mention them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'and others still impose life long voting revocation depending on the crime'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'also in a Futurama episode bender can't vote because he is a felon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'state or federal voting'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He was serving his sentence/had not yet served his sentence, I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so if you had to guess, who do you think is going to win?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'people with money'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In 48 states out of 50 states, your voting rights are restored after you serve your sentence or some length of time afterwards.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'depending on the crime'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama. Because there are enough non-idiots in the U.S. to see through Romney's lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Hurricane Sandy will probably boost Obama's approval ratings.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'who will lead us to World War 3?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chris Christie is going around singing Obama's praises to anyone who will hear him. He went on FOX NEWS and praised Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'is it true that to make money you have to spend moeny?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'again people with money'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chris Christie is a Republican, by the way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'mass will go blue'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ya i thought that was funny too yuna. specially since republicans wanted him to run for president '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Massachusetts, Romney's own home state, is 70% for Obama, I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'it has since 1992 anyway and before 1981 i think'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which isn't surprising seeing as how Mitt Romney served as Governor running on pretty much the same platform as Obama is running now, yet he's running for President on a platform that's anathema to his platform as Massachusetts governor. It's pretty bad when your OWN state is voting 70% against you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Christie called people who wouldn't evacuate for the hurricane idiots.  It was funny and correct, but maybe not good politics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thank goodness Romney will be out of a job in politics, at least temporarily, once he loses. I doubt Massachusetts will be in a hurry to re-elect him to any position of public office after this election, so he's a goner.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chris Christie just stopped giving a shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He started just telling the honest truth and stopped caring about party politics.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and he cited that as a reason not to run for president, he didn't want to deal with the republicans in the primary'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even though he vetoed a bill that would've legalized same-sex marriage, I find myself liking him the more I read about him (besides that veto thing).'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He should've run for President, if only to make Romney look like the general asshat that he is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Christie vs. Romney, even if Christie would've lost, he would've exposed Romney for his newfound fundamentalism by simply existing as a sane option.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Chris Christie a Christian '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His Wikipedia page makes no mention of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wait, Roman Catholic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article itself doesn't mention "Christian" or "Catholic", though. Just that he's a Roman Catholic.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a Catholic Christian Chris Christie '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His Wiki page also seems to imply that Romney was seriously considering him as a running mate, but Christie turned him down because he'd have to quit his job as Governor due to some random laws and Christie  thought their chances to win would be low.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BURN!'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Sandy turned out to be somewhat of an overhyped damp squib'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what??'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well not really the frankenstorm it was being branded, just a large tropical storm, a "major weather event", granted, but hardly the major disaster it was being advertised as'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for which i guess we should all be thankful'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm watching the news and I disagree.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It wasn't as strong a few hundred miles inland as they predicted, but the coast got hit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Japanese tsunami was a moderate disaster, Chinese earthquakes were a moderate disaster, the boxing day tsunami was a moderate disaster. The Haiti earthquake was a proper disaster, this was chicken-feed in comparison to any of those'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be thankful, you guys got off lightly, really'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the carribean gets this year in year out'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama is mobilising all the immigrants to vote for him'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sounds scary. i hope the pass more voter suppression laws'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given all the immigration, sounds like a calculated plan to me'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'romney should get some more, darker spray-tan'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'texas will never go blue again unless something drastic happens'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'romney is making claims that chrylser is going to make jeeps in china.  where chryslers ceo said is wasn't true romney said the ceo didn't disagree with romney's facts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'OOPS'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'tigernuts, how much control does gov't have in the UK compared to the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'is it bad?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'control over what, ramp?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'They don't know if they're going to China or Italy, Malkar'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're going'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'is healthcare bankrupting the UK'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Ramp'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not according to the ceo.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'poor people that dont want to work ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor people already are working'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'how is healthcre so fucking expensive though. i think it's bullshit that they can put a price on life like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare here, specifically, is a beurocratic mess that's been taken over by jobsworth beurocrats and corporate interests'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i belviein paying for medical costs but not to the point where you work for nothing the rest of your life'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, even so it's still better than in the states ;)'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on what's wrong with you and what your personal circumstances are'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'rush limbaugh doienst see what the big deal about payign 30k out of his pocket for medical bills '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i think as long as you are making some form of payment and making good on your debt then you shouldnt be fucked over on your credit and shit like that'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our health service costs around 1/4 of gdp'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'damn'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. right'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the big problem is they can charge you 30K ,but if you have insurance the insurance company only pays 8k, it should be much closer to one price.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'excluding the elderly care component'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'equiv. to our medicare i assume'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, including the elderly care component'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not gdp, total tax take'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's late'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'gov't and private insurance together woudl work'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'but see there is no middle ground in politics'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have an answer for you, ramp, i can tell you our system is bust and is going down the tube'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'how much do you pay in taxes out of yuor paycheck?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally, or as a country?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'personally'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'average person... what would they pay'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'direct taxation on the country average is around 43%, though that goes down as you go up or down the income scale'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have gov't insurance that pays for treatment in private and national hospitals'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the total tax take rockets up as you go down the income scale because msot of the taxes on poor people aren't income-linked'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'if i made 68k GBP a year.. how much of that would i see assuming no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, for my personal circumstances, i pay around 60% tax overall'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'social tax is 33% of your gross salary and is paid by the employer. doesn't come out of your paycheck'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so 60%. does that include property taxes, vehicle tax, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '68K would be an executive level job here'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'vat tax seperate i assume since that is based on what you buy'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest crippler is fuel duty and vat'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i was thinking 68k USD, sorry'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so thats porb like 33k GBP?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, 40k'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'is that good if you are single and no kids?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't live in london, yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'well yea.. same with here. 68k in New York City, LA, chicago, etc.. would not be a lot'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on 40k a year you'd lose 6k in income tax, about another 4-8k in national ponzi scheme tax '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure the don't have such an obvious name for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'americans would call it social security, here it is paid by the employer and employee, but doesn't actually benefit you any'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an accurate name for it (and has been admitted by the chancellor) is 'payroll tax''
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, if you're trying to encourage people to get or create jobs, is a stupid idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'explain how the "national ponzi scheme" is similar to a ponzi scheme, or admit that was a slander against the UK government'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the national ponzi scheme was set up after WW2 as a means of funding pensions and certain work-protection benefits. it was called the "National Insurance"'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you don't fund your funny plans, they end up as demographic type pyramid games'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the numbers on it only worked if you had 100% employment and the average life expentancy stayed the same'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so essentially the people paying in now are paying for the people who have retired'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which only works provided the working population expands at an ever greater rate'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a ponzi scheme'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any scheme which pays out using the pay-ins of the next layer is a ponzi scheme, that is the definition of a ponzi scheme'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it can also work in a demographically stable society, or if you keep adjusting retirement age upwards, so the ratio between workers and retired people stays at some sensible figure'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't touch it for 60 years, now it's near collapse, hence the sudden upsurge in retirement age'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, they're toying with the idea of scrapping it'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and.... i'd agree with that, stupid idea'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also stupidly expensive to administer'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sdo they want to scrap the legal agreement to the majority of the populace but not scrap the legal agreements to the parasitic rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes you do but you are greedy and selfish'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what it's in reference to, zade'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could solve a lot of the corporate sponging by making it illegal to pay a foreign subsidiary for goods or services'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least making such a transaction illegal if a profit was made on it, or tax such transactions in some way'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd break up the NHS and hand control of it to local goverment'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much in the same way Romney wants to hand medicaid/medicare (whichever) to state level'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the reasons that many of the rich are rich is that they were given preferential treatment, and given the ownership of resources at an extremely cheap price, and given financial privileges and financial control at an extremely cheap price, etcetera, all the while depending upomn and riding upon the (underpaid) contributions and work of the majority of the populace as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, zade, and that's why whoever wins the US election, you'll get a president that will continue the same racket'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most important thing you need, is states rights so that you can arm up and say no to that lot'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local NHS + a 'deductable' for different treatment/surgery types might be the only affordable option'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to begin to know how to reform the NHS, perhaps first know where the monies paid into the NHS are going: mainly to whom and how much, and are those (overrich) recipients are expendable and or replaceable by something far cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only certainties is that a huge amount is spent on management structures, target chasing, and ngo's'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the profitable bits of the service have already been exploited/taken over by big pharma/health corporations'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, ngo's? really'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regional health trusts and hospitals are literally going bankrupt as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the last government built a load of new hospitals using a private-finance initiative, which is like getting the private sector to build the hospital, but it costing 10x the normal cost, spread over 30 years, after which you still won't own the hospital'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's crippling them'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess that's what happens when you let a bunch of liberal lefties get in charge'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what percentage of the NHS monies are going to "management" and "profits" "bonuses" and "huge salaries" by the big corporate groups'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not an accountant, zade, i couldn't tell you'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If I had to guess I would say that's where it is going'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but I think NGO's are just as likely :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were inquests launched when they found that they were scamming supplies, like charging $100 for a ring binder, $50 for a pen etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$2500 to change a light bulb'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the uk, much like the USA, hospital malpractice, hospital acquired infections, prescription drug misuse, combined is the leading cause of death in both countries'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much is going to malpractice insurance per doctor compared to the cost of training a new doctor'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go ask the insurance company'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most general pracititioners here (family doctors equiv?) are incompetent here'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have some very good specialists'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you want to repair and of fix your NHS. then a lot of that and similar information is likely required'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not proposing to repair it at all'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe for a second it -can- be fixed or repaired'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the general practitioners are generally incompetent, then the education system teaching and training those doctors is generally incompetent'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be a religious or ethnic thing -- like where every (jewish) mother wants her son to be a doctor, even if the son is mentally unable to be a competent doctor'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those incompetent doctors are a result of something wrong with the system'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pencilneck (incompetent doctor) geeks are a dime-a-dozen -- gotta stop whoever's handing out those dimes" -- Fred Blassie'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all contracts are driven by greed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not all'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hunt for unlimited resources=greed >contracts'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'How about, not all greed is bad?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Lets examine the premise before tackling the contention'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '"bad" is not the issue here'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"all greed is potentially bad"'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats another topic'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"that's another topic" is also another topic'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal growls.
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"greed" is an abstract moral observation, comprehended by some nonhuman animals'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'greed can be completely isolated. no moral issues then.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like: "greed" is more of something you already have. quite close'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'just wanting more of that'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Debate channel exists for a reason.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not for a good one'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'This is the Yuna disagrees with you channel'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For you to troll on about stupid shit?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, sorry, are you going to report that and lie to imms and say I'm attacking your mother?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'he already did'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'starling attacks anyone's mom so its not very personal'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Bob Dylan is the greatest musician of all time'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No one else has, for such a long period of time, released such great, personal, moving, intense, poignant, relevant, music. Ever.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And...Dylan wins by default'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'Hit and run debate - From my FB:  "I never realized how much greed and jealousy there was in this county until I heard all these campaigns/advertising/interview clips/news reports/etc aginst Romney because he is rich (and Obama isn't? :P).  But really now?  We don't want a wealthy president or something?  Give me a break!  If he is not a millionaire businessman, he doesn't even qualify to be considered as President, imo.  The USA is basically the largest, most influential business venture in all the world.  We need a master biz tycoon.  Don't hate the rich!!! "'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you don't want a callous self-serving liar as a President'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah people don't want to vote for Romney because he is rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Occam's Razor and all'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Romney became rich as a self-serving callous opportunist -- remoniscent of a psychopathic sociopath without a conscience'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(reminiscent)'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'psychopaths without a conscience are more likely to "lie and pass" a polygraph -- "windmill" Mitt Romney states differing contrary opinions to different audiences (with an emotionless face)  -- and fits that profile of a psychopath without a conscience'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for the amount of grief Kerry took for being a "flip flopper", you would think Romney would be having more trouble'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The truth is, Obama has fucked up the economy even more than it was before. So flip flopping and psychopath, etc. don't mean jack shit to people who want a job and want to put food on the table. Next week, Romney is going to win, because of just that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack attempted to be bipartisan and the republcans took advantage of that to screw the USa economy'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, I'm sure that's true when the Democrats had a near super-majority in both houses and with just convincing one or two liberal Republicans like Olympia Snow, they could have passed anything they wanted. Get with it: they had their chance, and their idea didn't work. '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just curious, November. If the mittens get elected and he doesn't live up to his promises, would you suicide?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Of course not, suicide is a mortal sin.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its funny how an also ran who couldn't even get a VP nod is going to save the country'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can pick a fight with a car and it isn't suicide, btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, and you know that its better than an even chance that you would have to suicide if you made that commitment. If you thought that it would be a sure bet that he would honor his commitments you wouldn't hesitate to make a bet you couldn't lose.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Politicians don't honor most of their commitments. No matter what side they're on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'Sad truth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'If people wanted an honest prez, they would have voted for Ron Paul.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If a politician doesn't honor his commitment, its just a *yawn* moment, not time to commit suicide.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, the mittens as just as slick as anyone who has ever run for office, since none of them have kept their promises. So, arguing that he will do this and that is an empty exercise. The best we can hope is that if he gets elected he doesn't screw it up as bad as the bush did. '
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why do you defend him, if you know he's a liar, then you should not protect him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, we won't know if he can't honor his commitments unless we vote him in.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh, and like Obama isn't a liar?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You think he's the epitome of honesty and truth?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that's a cop out and you know it. He doesn't say "I will try" he says "I will do" which is a lie.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Failing to keep a campaign promise because the opposition Filibusters your every move isn't being a liar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a stark difference between failing to live up to a promise and promising something you never intend to make good on.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bull taco. All you are saying that as soon as a candidate scurries into office he starts looking for excuses why he sells out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so why make the promises, then? You are currying votes with those promises, which means you are lying in order to get elected.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Failing to keep campaign promises when he had a near-super majority and needed to convince 2 people means you're a terrible leader or your ideas suck. Just like how the house recently unanimously voted against Obama's budget, including all Democrats. This guy couldn't lead a pack of boyscouts accross a parking lot without getting them lost.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have no clue how the U.S. political system works if you cannot understand how the Republicans blocked most of Obama's attempts to keep his campaign promises.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well November what about the 2010 elections?'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'jobs jobs jobs'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans openly stated that they'd block every single bill Obama put forth on principle. 32 Republicans voted no on a bill that protected U.S. government workers who were raped overseas!'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The 2010 elections were mostly against Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'forget about Obama. He has a record to stand on and he can be voted in or out on that record. The mittens doesn't have that, so we can only listen to his claims and now you are saying that it is ok for him to lie to the voters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well he is obviously lying because he is on both sides of almost all issues'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mittens is just saying stuff at this point... whatever he thinks will win him votes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its never OK to lie to people. But, truth be told, all politicians do this - so you either don't vote or you just pick whomever you think will do better.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'Of course Romney has a record.  It's such a good record Obama keeps saying how the rest of America needs to become like MA. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He'll say something only to contradict himself days later. Sometimes he'll say something, only to have his own campaign manager contradict him within hours.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that you don't believe the mittens, but you will vote for him because you like his lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is why MA is overwhelmingly voting for Rom... nvm'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and 4 years for now, if he wins and is tries to be re-elected, you will vote for the next unknown because you will like his lies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, and Obama will go on talk shows and make light of dead US Marines, marines which he FAILED to provide support for when they called out for it for hour after hour. That's so dispicable that I honestly think its an impeachable offense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is a canard'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he never made fun of anyone'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You desperately cling to Benghazi because it's all you have.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There was NO WAY for Obama to prevent that attack short of simply flying every single U.S. citizen out of Benghazi and keep them out of Benghazi for the rest of our days.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, you are full of crap, no one makes light of dead soldiers. Those soldiers would not have been there if Bush had not sent them, and you probably voted to re-elect him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think heightened security would've accomplished anything? It would've just given the terrorists more targets.'
T3/r7/2012-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what terrorists?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't know crap about terrorism.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's not play the "It wasn't terrorists" game.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i've never understood the blustery outrage,for the sake of argument so what if he didn't call it a terrorist attack'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are referring to 9/11. It was a terrorist act, the question is who were the terrorists. The even more important question is why did they suddenly stop terrorizing.  If the US were really under terrorist attack you would become shitless every time you left your house. Ask the people who live under terrorism, they will tell you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Right is desperate. I thought we've established this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm referring to the Beghazi attack, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'was that in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it was in BENGHAZI.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama has failed at every level: forcing healthcare on people who dont want it, raising taxes on the middle class when he promised not to, being a polarizing figure deamonizing his opposition instead of working with them, spending 6 trillion dollars in deficit and not having much economic growth to show for it. Lets face it, he's been a pretty poor President.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so they are under terrorist attacks, not the US.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think you're comprehending what the fuck I'm saying. I'm calling bullshit on November for criticizing Obama for that attack!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And not once did I claim that it was on U.S. soil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'as a member of the middle class... my taxes did not go up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or that the U.S. is living under constant terrorist attacks or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets reject everything this guy wants to do (even if it is our idea) then call him the most polarizing figure ever'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Benghazi, the American consolate is American soil.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you not wonder why 2 mercs died in that attack? Do you think that that was coincidence?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what were 2 use mercenaries doing there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I already have healthcare, but if I worked a job that didn't offer it, I'd want it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being a polarizing figure demonizing his opposition?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'US*'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Obama's vetoed less bills than any of his predecessors in over 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he probably has the record for filibusters against as well'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the fact that you have the gall to criticize Obama for not trying to work with the opposition when the Republicans set RECORDS for record-breaking numbers of filibusters during Obama's 1st term means you're either willfully blind, a troll or just downright stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'congress has stalemated any efforts he's made to change the economy, but it is what it is based on bush tax cuts and bush wars, with no momentum to shift it elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You mean to tell me that its not Obama's failure that he couldn't convince one or two people who disagreed with him to go in on a bill?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I've got my own reasons to support 3rd parties over Obama, but 100% of the rhetoric the right throws at him is complete, and utter, BS'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's the failure of the leadership.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not to mention the Republican party's promise to make him a 1-term president BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INAGUARATED and their constant refusal to compromise with the Democrats. Again, 32 Republican Senators voted NO on a bill that provided help for government workers stationed overseas after they'd been raped.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the FUCK does that on PRINCIPLE?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans are obviously racists in their dislike of a nonwhite President, with those record-numbers of filibusters'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republican Party bosses instructed their minions to never compromise with Obama. It's not his fault.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, go peddle your bullshit elsewhere. Clearly, we're not stupid enough to fall for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That was a promise made by one person, who by the way wasn't really in power to stop anything. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I always put this in front of the right wing claims that Obama has failed: name one, ONE, bill he should have passed, that he instead vetoed, that would have changed the course of the US?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If you can't convince one or two people from the other side to vote for you, you really are not a compromising figure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't even know what a fucking filibuster is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans wouldn't even let Obama's bills reach the floor for a vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How DARE you blame Obama for the Republican Party's Party of No antics? It's HIS fault that they decided to play politics while the nation was in shambles? Really?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican party aids abets supports the rape of overseas government workers'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '32 Republican Senators voted NO on protections to government workers stationed overseas who were raped. You CANNOT defend that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Yuna you keep on throwing that out there: what else was on the bill?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm quite sure that alone would have had unanimous support'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And you can't defend the calls of marines who pleaded for help for seven hours, to which Obama said no to as he watched with a live feed as they died.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was a standalone bill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I must amend myself. 30 Republican Senators, not 32.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's the problem with congress though, they burden everything down to the point there's something everyone disagrees with a little, partisan politics come into play, and the bill fails'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'oh?  link?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well this isn't a vote on 30 GOP senators in question, its on Obama and his leadership or lack there of.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm trying to find a transcript of the bill as we speak.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And what matters to the people of this country: the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just shut up November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Anyone who calls someone else a name in a debate, has lost that debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're actually causing me to lose even more faith than I've already lost in humanity.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'November: he put forward a plan.  The Republicans rejected it while failing to bring him one of their own that would pass congress'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Shut up" is a name now?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, but FUCKTARD is .. which you called me repeatedly four weeks ago.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Goddamn Tod Akin and Mourdock! They're making it really hard to Google the issue of Republicans voting no against rape-protection bills!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? How is that relevant TODAY?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I agree there was a failure of leadership, but you're looking at the wrong branch of government if you think it's Obama's fault a bill won't make it through congress'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because it was on the same subject, the election.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look, I admit fully that politicians in this country don't serve the people all that well. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, how is it relevant today? Also, you used the same bullshit arguments then as you're using now and I'm out of patience for stupidity. I'll just openly call people fucktards when they're behaving like fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But people, we have to start compromising more than just alienating two sides to a coin.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican party voted against the the bill to protect raped overseas government workers -- "That's so dispicable that i honestly think it's an impeachable offense." to throw November's words in his face '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Like, let me give you an example. Reagan said that he'd let the democrats spend 1 dollar for every 2 they made a tax cut for. That was a compromise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'both sides keep using that word, compromise.  I don't think it means what they think it means.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'People loved that kind of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It means you have to sacrifice some of what you want so the other people can go with you on a vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK was Obama supposed to offer the Republicans when they pretty much said "We're never going to compromise with you!" time and time again, sometimes OPENLY?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'there's a strong voice in the Republican party that refuses to raise taxes even back to Clinton levels, IE let the Bush temporary tax cuts expire.  They've said on record they wouldn't accept 10 dollars in spending cuts to a dollar in tax increases.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not ONCE did the Republicans present any viable bills of their own. They just voted Obama's bills down on principle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that is not compromise'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It requires leadership (aka a leader) to start a compromise. They did make a compromise on the debt deal.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'because Obama had to, to save the country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, why not other times too?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what the Republicans have said? Regardless of who wins the Presidency in a week's time, they'll still refuse to discard the Bush tax cuts for the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the "compromise" they want. Let the rich get away with paying little taxes while the country suffesr, which leads to either a depression or raised taxes on the middle class.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Obama does not lead congress.  He can try, but the constitution very intentionally limits his power there'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, but he can set the agenda and lead by persuading people to put forward things he wants.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans are traitorous abominations seeking to beggar non-rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Reagan did that all the time, and people loved it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and, he did that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, they're not. They have a different way of looking at the 'rich' than you do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Reagan wasn't facing the Republican Part of 2008-2012!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They see 'Rich' as being thrifty or successful in life and they want all people to be that way.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why do they want the not-rich to pay more taxes than the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Good leaders know how to get people who disagree with them to go with them on things. They can bend a little, the quote I borrow, "Half a loaf of bread is better than none at all" - RR'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do they intentionally make it harder for the non-rich to vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like talking to a saner Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I assume you are talking about voter ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At the end of the day, it's still bullshit. Less insane bullshit, but still bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"It's all Obama's fault because he didn't compromise with the Republicans... who didn't want to compromise!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Many cases of voter fraud have gone uncaught in this great land. This is just a way to solve that. If you can think of a better idea that would disenfranchise less, I'd be supportive of it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Voter fraud is why we have Obamacare now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know why they compromised on the debt? Because not even their redneck constituents would be able to justify them not compromising on the debt!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They were covering their own ases.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he had tons of press conferences to loop people in, he proposed a stimulus package to recover from the economic depression, he made very clear when the big debate around the bush tax cuts expiration happened in 2010 what the deal was, he modeled "Obamacare" after the Republican plan "Romneycare".  All for naught.  As Yuna said, the Republicans were never interested in compromise, they were interested in making Obama's Presidency numbers look shitty by dead ending anything he proposed, and they succeeded.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What many cases of voter fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It comes to a point where its just too much, and showing your ID is just a way to solve it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously? The Republicans themselves admit very few cases of voter fraud occur.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You can only cite caught voter fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, how the FUCK did voter fraud lead to Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and now, with thunderous applause, the right is claiming Obama failed'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'll explane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you listen to me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'In Minnesota, the election came down to only a few hundred votes and Al Franken won.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's one thing to require an ID to vote. It's another thing altogether to require a SPECIFIC kind of ID to make it hard or near impossible for certain kinds of people to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yet, 1000 felons were allowed to vote which is not legal, and they voted 9-1 in his favor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That one vote was perhaps all that was needed to stop Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK do you justify the Republicans making out-of-state drivers licenses invalid IDs for the purposes of voting?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We'll never know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yuna, I appreciate your concern for justice in these cases, but you have to criticize Democrats as well as Republicans when these things happen on both sides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well actually, why would you have an out of state drivers license to the precinct you vote in?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Obamacare passed by more than 1 vote. 2) The fuck are you talking about? 3) You do realize that Franken GAINED votes once the fraudulent votes had been thrown out, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'An open minded person sees that both parties give the shaft to many people to maintain power.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because you're a student.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if id's were free and easily accessible then bring on voter id's'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise they are illegal poll taxes to solve an imaginary problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'College students studying in another state.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I agree with that Twyst - if the feds ante up and pay for a national voter ID, I'm all for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it doesn't help when you have elected officials giving away the game by claiming "well we got voter ID done which will allow Romney to win this state" etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Since they reside in those states, they can legally vote there. But the Republicans are trying to keep them from doing that by disqualifying their drivers licenses as valid forms of voter ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well in most cases they will cast provisional ballots. This is probably why Ohio will not be declared next Tuesday.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'There are a lot of provisionals to count, most likely.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Voter fraus has NEVER been a widespread problem in the U.S. Your imaginary cases of 1000's of felonous voters (without proof or sources) does not a proper argument make.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it really doesn't bother me either way who wins the election'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'leaving the country for work anyways'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Here's the story: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Especially not when a prominent Republican let it slip that the reason they're passing all of these laws is to prevent Democrat-leaning voters from voting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'as far as the economy goes, I agree Twyst.  But, Republicans seem much more apt to take us into war than Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and I do NOT want to go to war with Iran over fabricated claims of nukes (again)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'saving people from themselves hurts them in the long run'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No one is going to war with Iran. Well, maybe Israel. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not even that bullshit Faux Noise article had the balls to openly claim that Franken won through felons voting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) They use the weasel word "may" because it would be slander otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'another boon doggle like Iraq and (Iran) and republicans wont sniff an elected position for 40 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2) How the FUCK would voter ID laws have prevented that from happening?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't aware of it being impossible for felons to get IDs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets not be disingenious November'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you really think so Twyst?  You think the average right wing voter has two brain cells to rub together to realise how bad they got duped by Iraq?  Cuz their party still seems to have a lot of support'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, if you're a felon you are not going to have an ID and if you did have one, you'd be turned away.. because you'd be listed as an incarcerated felon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in person voter fraud is almost ridiculously negligble'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'now absentee ballots on the other hand....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wonder why they don't go after those? ....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, November, how the FUCK do the new voter ID laws prevent them from doing what they did in 2008?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They weren't able to vote because there were no voter ID laws, they were able to vote because people were lax in checking that felons weren't allowed to vote!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's my point though Taokan'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, if you had an ID under the new law'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Voter IDs are not special IDs. They're simply forms of ID accepted when voting!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no fucking state that hands out special voting IDs!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if a majority of the electorate can be fooled so easily and so repeatedly'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then the country deserves what it gets'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And you tried to vote, by showing your ID, you would be determined an incarcerated felon.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'and then turned away.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK can't you do that WITHOUT the new bullshit laws?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, its not a special ID, it requires you to actually prove who you are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And not someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in person voter fraud is not a big deal'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Voter ID laws" =/= "Special IDs" are you not getting?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'think about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you mentally retarded?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I mean, don't you think its wrong for someone to vote for someone else?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the criminal mobsters (paid by the Republicans) rigging the election results is a more likely scenario in Presidential elections'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who would risk a major felony to cast an illegal vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The reason why those felons were caught was because they voted under THEIR OWN NAMES.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't run around voting under OTHER PEOPLE'S names!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a large part of the population doesn't bother to cast the legal variety'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But their votes were counted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'and Franken won.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There aren't thousands of cases each year of people voting under other people's names!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how the FUCK would voter ID prevent them from doing what they did last election?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'exactly Twyst.  Fuck, half the people in this country don't vote that legally can, I can't conceive someone risking jail to vote twice/illegally'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being more vigilant in not letting felons vote will. Not fucking idiotic voter ID laws.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well there are other cases too, like dead people voting, which BTW'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That happens on both sides.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which, by the way, CANNOT BE PREVENTED BY THE NEW VOTER ID LAWS'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'My point was merely voter fraud can swing elections and it has.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, OK we can debate the best way to overcome voter fraud'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That article you linked you didn't actually tell us how many felons voted for Al Franken. And for a good reason.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think you're suggesting a government paid for ID right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's because votes are private?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because if it did, Fox News wouldn't be able to insinuate Franken won through fraudulent votes because he didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure they aren't if they're cast illegally.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well who people voted for isn't a public record.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then how the FUCK can you be sure Franken won because of voter fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a Republican using the nonphoto id of other Republicans may cast multiple votes (on behalf of the other Republicans too lazy to do the actual voting)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you have yet to be able to justify the new voter ID laws.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The margin was razor thin, and illegal votes were counted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who's to say Franken didn't win by a large margin, but all of those felons voted for his opponent?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We can't really know if it was enough. My point was that there's nothing wrong with cracking down on illegal voters.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are adding an obstacle to voting'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look, there are probably other ways to do this. Thats what a debate is for. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this obstacle affects people who are not illegal votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, how do we create a way for illegal votes to be thrown away without doing that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never fucking said there was. These new voter ID laws? Are wrong. Plain and simple.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have yet to be able to justify them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'interesting that you are worried about illegal votes now, November. Didn't seem to bother you in 2000 and 2004 :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I never understood how proving you are who you say you are is an obstacle'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fraudster Republicans that know somebody is not going to vote may attempt to impersonate those nonvoters and cast votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think it would be better if you would put up another idea Yuna when criticizing this one.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ids aren't free'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's about costs, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'IDs are ridiculously expensive in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're not that expensive either'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe to you'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, 10 bucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depending on your jurisdition, it could cost you upwards for 100+ dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I have a question for you... should the homeless be able to vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And for college students, seniors and the poor, that's A LOT of money.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The homeless ARE able to fucking vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I imagine over the course of 4 years, I could save ten dollars'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So you think that to crack down on illegal voters, you should have an ID that you don't pay for.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, so you think they should panhandle enough to get voter ID instead of using the money to eat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's fine November'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I'd be ok with free id's'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that isn't what is being propsed'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If it was required?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and, how are voter IDs going to prevent the dead from voting?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK, now, you realize even in this situation not everyone will get said ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'than it is on you'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you want to require something,t hen you make it easily accesible, at least from a monetary stand point'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then you can't cry that it's hard to get'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the criminal mobsters are likely to mass-produce false ids cheaply'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hey the government wants everyone to be on a medical plan, doesn't mean its going to happen. :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but poll taxes and literacy tests were banned for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK that's cool, what would the cost of such a program be?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This country is broke, btw, we need to be frugal here.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they Repubs are proposing to battle an imaginary problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fake-ids only require to be good enough to fool the voting stations'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '300,000,000 ID cards, and a beauracracy to maintain it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Now, can you promise me such a system will not be corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Like, not sending out cards to GOPs because you're a huge Dem?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the infrastructure for maintaining IDs is already in place. It's called the DMV.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the passport system'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'any system you come up with will be corrupt on some level (maybe I"m cynical), but there's some systems that are less so than others'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well finally folks we're doing something useful on this channel!!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the DMV also issues IDs to non-drivers, so anyone who qualifies simply goes there for an ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We're DEBATING it :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's wrong with just allowing any kind of IDs that are acceptable as proof of person in any other instance?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Explain Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Out-of-state drivers licenses.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Defend how they shouldn't be acceptable forms of voter ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because if you accepted any IDs then you wouldn't need a bureaucracy... and what bureaucracy will commit self-extermination?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm ok with that, as long as there's some accepted standard'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You mean you move into state X just in time for vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you little twit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You still need proof-of-residence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't care if someone shows up with a drivers license or not, just a legitimate form of proof of identity and residence'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK so a piece of paper and an out of state drivers license'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you shouldn't have to shell out a hundred of so bucks to get a useless 2nd form of ID you're never going to have to use.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, you don't even live here'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you've given the vote to illegals with fake ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If an out of state driver's license is sufficient for EVERY SINGLE OTHER THING you need an ID for, why not to vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'legals don't vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Any system will be undermined'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's ok DosseT, we're debating the best way to crack down on illegal voters'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would illegals vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it just blows my mind that I can buy a beer without id, but I can vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'why wouldn't illegals vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, not people illegally in the country, illegal votes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK so no shelled out new ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, how is an out-of-state driver's license not a sufficient form of ID?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Just a *valid* ID that somehow has to be checked '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fake IDs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'was this your concern in 2000 and 2004, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'and a proof of residency?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By that logic, DosseT, NO form of ID is acceptable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, November. I already said that it would include a  proof of residency.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think enough illegal voting has happened that people have reached a point that they want a change Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's true that it would be hard to come up with a fool-proof system'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you suffering from a sudden bout of early on-set dementia?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok this is cool so far, I think with me.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No need to get mean. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I just find it convenient that is this election that they want to do it, not in 2004 after the obvious fraud of 2000.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then explain why Republicans have tried to invalidate that form of ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(+ proof of residence)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I don't think it's been tried, has it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're aware of the push for the National ID card, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So if I show up at my poll with an out of state ID and proof of residence, I can just vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That could be one step toward it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're missing the forest for the trees'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"And Pennsylvania's voter identification bill, still on the books for now, disallows many student IDs and non-Pennsylvania driver's licenses, which means out-of-state students may be turned away at the polls"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'One way to usher in the catch-all ID would be to institute a voter ID, then ease in to other things'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Question, wouldn't that be easy to fake out Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not so much about the voting as it is introducting the concept'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would an out-of-state ID be so much harder to fake than an in-state ID?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'When I was in school in Pennsylvania, I voted in NYS.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually I was thinking the proof of residence part.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Faking that out. Like people who cross lines to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's happened in this country too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet the Republicans aren't trying to limit proof-of-residence-based voting!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'regular totally legal able bodied adults don't vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK, well maybe they should.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would you risk your freedom to add 1 more vote illegally ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you want to steal an election, stuff a ballot'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You CANNOT defend these transparent attempts to make it harder for people who support the Democrats to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'change computer votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or have your brother be Gov of a recount state :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and a favorable supreme court'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, I think people should be able to cast provisional ballots and then prove their ID later. But, proving your ID to vote and your residency (in some way that is not easy to fake) has my support.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Is it not hard to get a fake ID?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Can one make a fake residency proof, an electrical bill or something?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All you'll do is create an ID gray/black market'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so who's to say the new voter id laws couldn't be faked under that argument'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Every measure has a counter-measure'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sure, the point is, what's good enough?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'DMVs require a 6 point system where I am from, New Jersey'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is good enough?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'most people seem to think the current state of affairs are alright'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its a pain to get all that shit together'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Proof of residency is a special document provided by your jurisdiction.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, they know who you are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I.e. it's a government document.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not just a fucking electric bill.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well the electric bill is only 1 point.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The irony here is that if the roles were reversed, I'm sure you'd consider the use of IDs a brilliant move'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The question to debate is, how much proof should you have to provide before it becomes unrealistic that most people would fake it... BUT also not disenfranchise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're less against the idea per se, and more that the GOP is using it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, I don't consider disenfranchising anyone a brilliant move. Its dispicable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT, don't you have some kind of CIA-BP oil spill conspiracy to rant about?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The debate is, where is the happy medium?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's you, actually'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'where as few disenfranchisements happen and as few illegal votes happen.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Thats what the states have to figure out. And they will, we have 50 test experiments going on.. One of them will get it right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And then we'll use that state's strategy in other states and the problem will resolve as best as we could reasonably do.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'not perfect, but better than now.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we use the states strategy in other states it will be called socialism'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'About 10 cases of fraudulent votes would've been stopped by voter ID laws last election. 10.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No it isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's not pretend this is anything but a Republican attempt to steal the election.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one claims romneycare sucks in MA'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If state A does a good thing, copying it in state B is not socialism'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is socialism jammed down the throat for the US'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still don't understand why it's too much to ask that people proove who they are if they're going to affect an election, I mean really'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No it isn't Yuna. Any more than the Democrats doing things purposefully to keep people poor so they'll vote for them is...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'It may be our government's responsibility to make sure that everyone has the ability to obtain that proof, but peopel should still have to proove who they are'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"keep your government hands of my Medicare"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'man I can't type tonight'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Just because we havent figured out the best solution to the problem of illegal voters yet doesn't mean we wont or should try'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'shouldnt try'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Show us any kind of proof that the new voter ID laws will prevent widespread fraudulent voting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You should have faith in that it will happen and will work out.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you might have a bug problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I dont' even care about illegal voters or anything else, I just think that it's something everyone should have to do to be able to vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you dont throw a canister of mustard gas in there'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it creates more problems than it might solve'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well each state's law is different, right Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Any kind of acceptable ID should be enough. End of story.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I dont think they'r just copies of one another.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I dont' disagree with that, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But what is acceptable? And how can you prove it? A McDonalds ID badge?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You just want the illegals' votes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You counter the GOP strategy with one with a greater effect'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what's acceptable should be left up to the states, imo'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong resolution'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'There are 10 million + illegal people in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many of them vote?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And they probably would vote for Democrats if given the option.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they keep a LOW profile'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Who knows?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Low profile? Ever been to NYC?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, actually in sanctuary cities they do not'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anything the government deems as acceptable as proof of identity when it comes to dealing with the government should be enough.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's more don't-ask-don't-tell'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it isn't, why does the government allow it in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'screw walfare...vote Romney :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'because they benefit from it, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK and paid for by the government, right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If all the illegals were out of NYC, NYC would go out of business'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'because we don't want to disenfranchise poor people'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Sahuagin sucks balls btw'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'd have to see it to understand - fake immigration cards, fake I-9s, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just though I would break up the tension'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Regulators don't give a shit, HR just kinda nods it through - not like an audit will catch it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You give illegals a vote, and the Democrats will get a large boost'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea...poor ppl love welfare'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'democrats have a know problem GOTV of legals'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but man those illegals sure vote like the elderly'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'reliably and on time '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK so, Yuna wants me to pay some tax money to enusre people all have an ID so they can vote (if they want to) as long as they also show a valid form of residency (usually this is done when they register ahead of time)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah right'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I don't. Stop fucking lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Where would the money come from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i heard yuna is a socialist nazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The idea is good in theory, just terrible in practice'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Or should poor people pay for it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the FUCK did I call for free Ids?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well hang on, this is about poor people not getting IDs costing 100s of dollars right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mokg: 'it costs ~5 dollars to get a state ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'depends'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Any form of ID the government deems valid should be valid for voting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'costs more like $25 in NC'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say the average is 25$'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Usually those cost money in this country Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '$15 for renewal'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not to mention the other paperwork'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is necessary to get the DL'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. And most people ahve some form of ID. Just not a DMV ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mokg: 'it was 5 dollars in hawaii when I had to get one last'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok so wait, what's the problem? Why is asking everyone to get a government ID disenfranchising people?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people suck'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, they don't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because you shouldn't have to get a 2nd form of ID just to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ahhhhhhh OK.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you could make state id's free, and raise the price on driver's license'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'they shoulda done there homework in sschool and make good grades like me :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or would that disenfranchise poor drivers?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah that seems silly. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell me this'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If I'm a student in NYC, yet I have a California driver's license, my driver's license (+ proof of residence) should be enough. I shouldn't have to shell out 25-100 dollars on an ID I'm NEVER EVER GOING TO NEED except for the purposes of voting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I agree with you, in most cases I can't see why a 2nd form would be needed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why are these bills against in perosn ID fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and not Absentee?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I want to know which states have 100 dollar id's'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my girl just voted and they didnt even ask her for ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's rediculous'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in CA a driver's license is 31 USD and a state ID is 25.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh, can't type'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well you are OK with registering ahead of time to vote, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people don't think they're vote counts as it is'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless you plan on illegally voting like 200 times'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'debate Yes, Anaristos, but with a driver's license, I can drive AND prove my identity. I can't do both of thsoe things with an ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'than I don't see how that changes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course November, seeing as how you HAVE to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK yes, I see no real issue then. You're paying for the ID. You have to show it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well registration ahead of time resolves the residency question.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'any reputable news source and study find in person voter ID to be a non issue'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I've paid for people on welfare ever since I've had a job...why should they have nice flat screen TVs and get free government chese I pay for....might as well pay for their ID as well'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think actually Yuna and I agree on something. Hey, stranger things have happened.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The workers pay the non-workers; now give the non-workers more clout'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wait, what'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its funny how the Uber rich have convinced the ones who are doing alright to carry water for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the percentage of income that has moved to the top in the last 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, the 100 dollar cost isn't just for having an ID made, it's the total cost. You need to prove your identity and for that you need your birth certificate and some people don't have their original certificatse, so they have to jump through hoops to get a copy of it and then apply for na ID and in the end, it'll all rack up to 100 or so bucks.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'belies the argument that more and more moochers are getting free money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And you're OK for everyone to spend that money because they want to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so there's no id's that cost 100 dollars?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't see anyone but Obama having problems furnishing a birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'He means total cost, starting with nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. It's just costs that much in total to get an ID.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, why are you re-inventing the wheel? The DMV already does all that. Try getting your license without a way to prove who you are see if you get it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol this should be a new Godwin's law'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'give me a link of Romney's birth certificate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Is your problem with this on money? or what exactly? '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh wait don't have it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wonder why not'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You say it disenfranchises Democrats so GOP will win,'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all fake is why'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Why would that be so? '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I said this the other day, I think everyone who's running for president should ahve to furnish their birth certificate, even Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'if not money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't get a a birth certificate when you are either hatched or crawl from under  a rock :>'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... these voter ID laws are most costly/devestating to the poor, people of color, elderly and college students.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All of these vote predominantly Democrat. Hmmmmmmmmmm...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I gotcha. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I had a driver's license in college, so I have to disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK so, the government should make it cheaper to get an ID'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'but not free'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Razkin, what part of "Out of state driver's licenses are not valid in some states" are you not getting?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'so again....my agrguement is simple...poor people suck and shoulda done their homework instead of smoking crack and getting each other knocked up'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you cant afford an id card you prob shouldnt have an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if I'm going to college, and spending 20k a year, I can fork out 10 dollars for a license'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler tries to high five himself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I already said I don't care if it's an out of state license, so you're just not paying attention'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should you even have to fork out over 10 bucks for a 2nd license YOU WILL NEVER EVER NEED TO USE?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and there ends the great US of A'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you are too poor you don't get to vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to realize that some states DO care if it's an out of stat elicense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'followed by if you don't make 100k'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because in some states, you CAN'T VOTE with an out-of-state license!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'followed by if your not Donald Trump rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and usually if you are poor you are stupid as well and shouldnt vote'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Twyst, it's the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have to get an in-state license/ID/passport/whatever!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It used to be land-owners'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I do realize that, but we're talking about what could be done'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then women'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea you should have a valid id from the state you live in, thats the law most places'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is RIDICULOUS because you already paid for your 1st license, which is VALID, to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm saying that I would be ok if people proved their identity with an out of state license, as long as they can proove that they are a resident'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet that's not enough for the Republicans. So they're clearly trying to steal the election. End of story.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'd like to combine all the IQ from Romney voters and compare that to the cumulative IQ of Obama voters.....its obvious more SMART people chose ROmney cuz and dumbasses chose Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I can honestly see that argument, Yuna. $100 is a lot. Would you be OK if people formed organizations that raised money to get that $100 for poor people? I.e. does the government have to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, its hard enough to get registered voters to the polls'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their plausible deniability ended with the "No out-of-state licenses" bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but illegals are just lining up around the block'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What's the deal with the poor-people thing'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"poor-people" is no longer poverty-stricken, but now a gimmedat culture'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm trying to figure out who Yuna thinks this is disenfranchising?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people cause my life so much headache'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd be OK with less bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You should see some welfare recipients and the lifestyles they live on government money (i.e. my money)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell that to the homeless'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Poor people, or out of state people college students'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Poor people would be disenfranchised if it was too expensive to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The poor, people of color, the eldery, college students. What part of my previous statement was confusing to you, November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'll be in the grocery store line having to wait forever cuz somebody didnt chose the right cheses for their footstamps etc and i just wnated to buy my damn beer and walk out'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I think you have a number of reasons, not all the same.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"poor-people" now are people that decided to get pregnant so they could get free housing, food, and amenities'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but no....Shaniqua didnt get the right cheese so now i gotta wait in line while her kids keep yelling ....gross'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'those are most of your "poor-people" - bottom-dwelling freeloaders'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok so for the poor - cheaper IDs. The people of color? not sure what we could do there - the elderly? Not sure either. College students - no second ID. Got it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The irony is that the true people living in poverty suffer still'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree that it's harder for the poor, but I disagree with the people of color, elderly, and college students'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They all fall under the "They don't have money" banner.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single one of those groups suffer from low-income and are thus hit hard by expensive-as-shit IDs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Cheaper IDs then?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'colored people don't have money? o.O'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Cheaper IDs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, they don't have "no money"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Agreed. Not free. Cheaper.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They have themselves two wheels of the guvment chedder'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Colored people are generally less rich/poorer than white people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For a variety of reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because not working/being responsible has been incentivized, guess what they do? They don't work and don't be responsible, because they get paid to'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You should read the book, Guns Germs and Steel Yuna, I think you might find it fascinating.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why work when you can pop out two kids'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that was a good book'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so was collapsed'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh, who wrote that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'jared diamond'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'same guy as guns, germs, and steel'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ahh ok, same guy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'cuz they didnt do their homework in school bc all the rap vides made them think it was more worthwhile to play basketball, smoke crack, and get some girls preggers instead of staying at home and doing some homework'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'slightly, well, way off topic, but it was a fascinating read :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'in a nutshell'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I like GGS (guns germs steel)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially the chapter on Easter Island'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It basically explains why who got rich got rich and who stayed poor stayed poor on about 15 different dimensions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'All in the race to get to guns, germs, and steel first.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea..blame it on the rap culture :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Really R. Bigman.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Nope. Actually it has to do with food production and geographical location'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'rap culture'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you guys are too funny'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'and many other factors which you might be suprised by.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Read the book, Guns Germs and Steel.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The layout of the continents has more to do with it than rap culture.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it would an interesting and enlightening experience if Romney is elected'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I argue that because of the biased media, Republican candidates usually end up being stronger.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It'll be another scapegoat to perpetuate the two-party sham'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the media being Biased is a sham'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sure it is - watch the fake white noise for Ron Paul'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I take that back'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama commits gaffes all the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Benghazi should be the death knell for him. But, if you off the cuff on a bad day you're feeling depressed say 47% of people are too dependent on government'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it might have a bias but not a liberal bias'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Benghazi a death knell?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '... watch out'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It should be.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '9/11/2001 was 1 million times worse'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Have any of you guys played Starcraft I, the original?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, there's liberal leaning news outlets, and conservative leaning news outlets, and I don't think it's really that surprising'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's your fault if you only read one point of view'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Razkin, go look and see who owns em all'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'imo'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that's kind of an interesting conversation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a good-cop bad-cop charade'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because I think you could'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah :D'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not immediately calling the benghazi attack an act of terror =/= A gaffe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Do you remember the opening scene, when the commander abandons his troops to the Zerg? and flies away? I just keep thinking about those poor guys on that roof and how Obama turned his back on them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at the end of the day, it's the dollar that's important, so if people want liberaly leaning views, news outlets will write liberal leaning views, and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why didn't Romney bring that up in the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it is recent BS from Hannity and co'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We didn't really know this until this week.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why on earth would he do that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes zero sense, and one thing you have to admit is that Obama is pretty pragmatic guy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I really hope he didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you truly believe he did'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'd like to see the evidence, the executive order'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet you've already concluded that he did based on zero evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'that said he sent support'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except "Unnamed sources".'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the thing though, the doubt is enough'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, he should give proof that he tried.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'When they called for help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '30% of the country still thinks Obama is a muslim'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Donald Trump, I didn't know you mudded?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when it is quantifiable nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama doesn't even know his own birthday'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DosseT over here believes Obama is not a born US citizen'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have live tape of the birth'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well there are US military officials now, sorry I don't have their names off hand, who are coming on to the record saying that they were never given orders to send help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and would deny it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"I really hope Obama didn't do all this stuff I'm randomly accusing him of"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Listen to Obama forget his own birthday multiple times on TV'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What was he supposed to do? Station 1000 troops in Benghazi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, just send about a couple dozen from Italy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'To rescue them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All they ahd were reports that terrorist cells MAY have been plottign attacks on unnamed targets. What a wealth of information!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's SO MUCH we can do in response to that short of simply pulling every single U.S. citizen out of Benghazi.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'd be singing a different tune if the GOP had it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well perhaps that should have been done before. Still, there are a lot of pro-Americans in Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your "debate" style is getting old'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what happend was horrible, but it's the attempted cover up that really makes me mad, but people keep forgetting about that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The fact that only someone born in the US can be president is silly and irrelevant. You guys need to update your political system to something that is relevant today.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what coverup?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What attempted cover-up?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'blaming it on one thing (video), then on something else, then saying, well, you can read all of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Even still, when someone tries to beat you in an election by saying you didn't help US marines when they called for help...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You should step up and tell them they're full of shit and deliver proof.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'blaming what on the video?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the attacks in benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what if they thought it was the video'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is that a crime?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They couldn't be sure at that point what had caused the attack. And maybe they were trying to not alert to the terrorists to the fact that they knew.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well maybe. Clinton was impeached for lying.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, if initially they did, that's fine with me too, but to continue to do that once you figure out that that wasn't the case is disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Since they still needed to stabilize the situation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'clinton was impeached by people who did the same or worse as him'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, the question is, did Obama watch the evening of September 10th-11th the live feed coming in and see that there was no incited riot by a video?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was obviously partisan'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because they coudln't beat the guy in the elections'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'and then refuse help when it was called for?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The question is: Why the FUCK would you even contemplate that scenario?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no matter what I always give Reps the benefit of being rational actors'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And if he did, why say it was a video, and why not prove us wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either a conspiracy theorist or desperate to throw any dirt on Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By doing what?! Prove that he DIDN'T watch a live feed from Benghazi?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually, I just want to know what happened because people died.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is inventing a persona for Obama not conspiracy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why was there a live feed from Benghazi to begin with?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A persona which runs counter to reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because it was under attack by terrorists?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DosseT are you serious?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And we had assets on the ground giving a live feed?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like for real?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, denying reality = conspiring'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why would Obama be watching that particular live feed?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what reality?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like denying that his mom Stanley is a CIA asset'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I believe there have been accounts that he did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Twyst, you have lots of research to do'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Wasn't there a congressional hearing on this?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The intelligence reports said nothing about the embassy. In fact, there were no reports of any planned attacks on the embassy. So why the FUCK would Obama be staring a feed of the embassy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Where sworn statements were made before congress?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the Gain DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'always follow incentives, they never lie'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I believe, at least if I understand the reports, the live feed started four hours or something after the initial attacks'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Which lasted for 7 hours right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if I remember correctly, it was a drone feed'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, November, you believe a lot of things. How about you prove your beliefs with some sources?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I'd imagine he was told what was going on, and then went to watch the feed once it went live'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'at the end of the 7 hours, the marine/mercs were killed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I'd have to double check that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's my understanding of the live feed bit'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what does Obama have to gain by that?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'by what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by denying them help'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama is a very cautious cat.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'He doesn't like to risk things unless he is certain of the outcome.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, this is war. And its an election year.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How would giving them help risk anything?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And Americans dont want war.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm conflicted by that, on the one hand, I understand not sending people in, but on the other hand, I can't imagine not sending help'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And he wants his job for four more years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's why he didn't authorize the strike on OBl'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it was risk free :p'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama's a pawn, not a player'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It's hard to say what his motives really are. We're not him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get real'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but people do all the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, all we can do is judge his actions.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Would you send in 20 troops to rescue 4 thinking you might lose all 24?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And make the headlines that way?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's why I understand not sending them in'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... Obama may or may not have misjudged a situation you couldn't possibly have been able to accurately predict without being psychic. His alleged mistake lead to lives being lost. >He may or may not have lied about it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, that's war. People die in war. That's the only real truth behind it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'even though it sounds cold, not losing more lives is important, imo'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this is important enough to obsess over for WEEKS?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'd be singing a different tune if it were Dubya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Come on'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm still going to want answers after next Tuesday, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so would you'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You care less about isolated events than leveraging them to your political standpoint'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm non-partisan, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, Romney and Ryan are lying to our faces on a daily basis. Dubya's "mistakes" lead to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of lives lost, yet the 'Murkin people gave him 4 more years.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama spent more on war than Dubya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Let's not get into a debate which political side has, in human history, costed more innocent lives than the other.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get real'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure, DosseT. A non-partisan Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Obama doesn't know his own birthday: it's on national TV'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Deny more'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fresh insanity is this?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many people would need to be in on this for it to work DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, someone says he's non-partisan, then proceeds to blame obama for spending more on war than bush?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'None; simply that he forgot his made-up birthday?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh please, Obama was born in this country - get over it. Even if he hadn't been, it's irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No blaming, but you're talking about who's lying to whom'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you didn't answer the question'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well gw prob made more money on the war '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many people would it take to pull of a conspiracy of this size?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Twyst, start by reading about Stanley Ann Dunham'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I can't blame Obama for forgetting his birthday, I once forgot mine, so...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'yes, I know what the constitution says. But you have to understand, even if all the proof was put out right now - irrefutably that Obama was not born in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As usual, DosseT refuses to give us a source.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It would not matter one bit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you know this, November, because you can testify against him?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aren't you parroting someone else's line?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The birther argument is stupid because it goes nowhere.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Even if it is true, which it probably isnt'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wF_n-gn-Yo'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good hedge'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Who knows, who cares?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its a meaningless debate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'November, weren't you also accusing Obama of something there is no proof of, and equating it with him flying away in a ship while soldiers were under fire?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, then why bring it up?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I didn't, DosseT did.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it obviously mattered or it wouldn't have gotten as much play'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'from people like Hannity and co'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'All things considered I prefer DosseT's flavor of crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if they are bullshitting about that why not Benghazi?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How am I supposed to date that video?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama is currently 51, sop u'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ixle, Obama should have issued an executive order and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the military never got it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or any of the other 'Gates they have tried to attach to O'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama is currently 51, so unless he also forgot what AGE he is, that video is NOT from this year.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, if they called for help, and Obama saw that, and has no order ....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why does the year of the video matter?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sorry DosseT, I'm with Yuna on this one. That's a far right-wing looney-tunes argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it matters because it plays on the simple-mindness of the US public. Eagleton was the governor of Missouri. He dared run for president. It turns out that once he had been hospitalized and the public was told that he had been hospitalized because he was an alcoholic. Of course, eventually the public found out that it was not true, but Eagleton's political career was over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I asked you to give me a proper source, not a video some Birther posted on Youtube without context.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Can you fill me in, where did troops request something that the president needed to approve and didn't? '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Obama once said he'd be turning 50 in a week's time. We have no clue WHEN he said that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because there's no context provided in the video. Did he say that approximately 1 week before his 50th birthday? Did he say it in the middle of July? Did he say it when he was in fact turning 51? We cannot possibly know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You didn't watch the whole video'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We can't even know for sure he even misremembered to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Perhaps I just haven't seen this bit of information.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not only that, but the subsequent follow-up is what was incriminating'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is there to fucking see?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama said something, the video repeated it, then a Birther spoke in a voice-over.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some screenshots from Myspace and shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'He needed to approve the request because it would require us to invade Libya to essentially rescue them (albeit temporarily). The military can't act without the president's "go" order like Reagan did in Grenada in 1983.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is gained by creating a pseudo Obama DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I heard Oboma has AIDS'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And can you show me where this was requested of him and he refused?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is about a 70% chance Obama is reelected'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yet, when Fox News inquired, the military had been given no order.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on the off chance the Romney is elected, it will be a good teaching experience'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'apparently Bush II wasn't enough'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, the question comes down to the proof of if the troops did ask for help'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please, November, have some respect. Don't use Fox News as a source.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And they have sources now that have gone on the record and said that happened.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I love the bumber sticker with Bush saying "Miss me yet?"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, no FN is not a source'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '538 gives Obama a 77.4% chance of getting re-elected. And his chances keep rising the closer we get to the election. 538 hasn't bene wrong yet (except for a SINGLE senate race last time)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You keep using this word "if"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'the people they interview who are in the military / CIA are.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Fox news also release "bomb shell" new "ground breaking " vid of Obama to counter the 47% vid of Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'too bad is was shown 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and didn't matter then'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did Fox News actually show those alleged military personnel/CIA members?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are obviously in the Tank for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Fox News played the video of Bin Laden in 2004 saying that he did it. So convenient prior to the elections...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And provide proof that they're actively serving in Libya and/or CIA agents?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's July 15, 2011'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'on archives'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just keep denying'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, later we find out that it wasn't Bin Laden, but hay, wtf :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that video was POSTED on July 2011, you idiot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Anaristos is a CIA implant'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't date Obama's STATEMENT.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'created to fool us us ALL'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because he made a mistake with a date'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The statement is July 15, 2011'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We just know that he said it BEFORE or on July 15 2011, not WHEN he said it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in 2004 Bin Laden "admitted" on video that he was the cause of 9/11. A fat, healthy, Bin Laden.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source that Obama said that on July 15 2011?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you find it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'any archives'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I do your Birther bullshit job for you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Do zombies poop?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You want me step into your frame so you can say that ABC/NBC/CNN's archive got changed'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'one would hope so'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The liberal argument is everything-I-don't-believe-is-wrong'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I bet zombie poop smells worse than human poo'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the sane argument'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't disprove a negative'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Sane Argument is: Prove your case.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh yeah, the chief source of the denied support is'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you know why prosecutors have to give a motive to get convistions?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ok well zombies eat humans and therefore i think their poop would smell worse, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first prove that it is relevant :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who gains by inventing "Obama"?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Tyrone Woods, a former Navy Seal. He was told to stand down when help was requested from the fire-fight going on at the embassy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's really farcical and makes people not take you seriously'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I bet it'd be really frustrating being a zombie that's cut in half above your stomach'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'He was ordered by the president to stand down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/obamas-senior-moment-ill-be-turning-50-in-a-week/'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get real, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you'll actually believe what ABC says'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you still haven't answered my question, November in re the attack at the embassy. What were two mercenaries doing in Libya and what were they doing at the embassy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea...but as the newest episode of Walking Dead shows....once you take away a zombies hunger (stomach) they become dossile and let you pet them, etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now that wasn't that hard, was it? Doing your job for once.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wasn't even an embassy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was a small ass consulate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'zombie sex'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well all we're establishing is if request for help was asked for and did someone deny it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not my job'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let's forget the actual building, what were two mercs doing there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this coming from the people who cut funding for Embassy security'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'don't ruin it for me, it's on dvr, haven't watched it yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, that proves Obama isn't born in the U.S. because he forgot what date it was. Apparently, he misspoke about Malia's birthday as well. Clearly, Malia isn't who she says she is either!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler laughs out loud at Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Connect the dots'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'NO, we are trying to find a basis for your charactarization of the President deserting troops under fire.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'here's a surpise:  the episode sux its just a character development episode...doesn't even show the main characters'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the dots make a random ass image'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'All that it says is that request for aid was denied. But, the Military can't send aid in this place without the President's go'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is like connecting the dots in white noise'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'At least I am.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Forgetting a birthday would definitely support having a false one - amazing conclusion'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We are Ixle, but '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's good November, worry about Obama's bdate but not about what 2 mercs were doing in Libya...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Having a mom Stanley Ann as a CIA asset helps'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the gain DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm piecing it together.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it looked to me like it was going to be about michonne, but still, I'll watch it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '>I forget my birthday all the time. Once you go past 21, they're kinda unimportant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The gain is tricking sheep like you, Twyst, into believing you live in a free world in which you elect the POTUS'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Some marine being told to stand down by someone yet to be identified is a long ways from that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, if military soldiers asked for aid, and the presidents go was needed, and it was denied...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rather than the POTUS being a CFR pawn selected by the global banksters'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look, it just doesn't look right.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, all soldiers are military...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's a fine opinion, but no basis for your claim that the president deserted troops under fire.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In that same Fox News article: CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but even so, are you saying that the mercs asked for help and Obama turn them down?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'basically, you're prepared to take Tyrone Wood's words over Jennifer Youngblood's.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And declare Obama at fault despite there being ZERO evidence besides Tyrone Wood's testimony.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or is the US admitting that the "former" seals weren't "former" at all?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually what I'm suggesting is that Obama maybe didn't send people in because he needed a clearer picture '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'that's a possibility'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which sounds like good leadership'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is supposed to be curtain's for him'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well maybe so, mabye not. I mean its war. People are dying and asking for aid. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sometimes you have to go into a shit fight to save lives'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But was it honorable to let them be killed because you need a clearer picture?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a lose-lose situation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Maybe, possibly, but yet those words weren't in your claim it reminded you of a captain flying off and leaving troops to die. This is what I take strong offense to.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Depends Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about this pciture? The 2 "former" seals were working outside the chain of command because they were involved in what was going on in Libya. The were found out by the people there and mark for termination. The US could not involve themselves officially because it would have been discovered that they were actually responsible for the destabilization of Libya.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, maybe so Ixle. We don't really know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone has a filter'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Obama invented the cure for aids tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fox news would say he is contributing to overpopulation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You keep acting like it's amibigous, yet your prior statement that I take offense to had no ambiguity to it. Don't you see that as a problem?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Leaving troops to die when you could do something is what happened. Why did you have that happen?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, PROOF?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is what supposedly happened'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its still unfolding.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, November, they weren't troops, they were FORMER seals. Former means no longer.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't use an unproven allegation as a premise'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have only a SINGLE person's testimony to that. And a lot of people's testimony AGAINST it!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Is it what happened, or is it maybe, possibly, amibigously what happened?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They were protecting the US Embassy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You can't seem to make up your mind.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet you've already declared Obama guilty because your your partisanship!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'This is a problem in rational thought.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm declaring Obama as the type of guy who is not really suitable to risk human lives to save other human lives.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, in war, you have to do that type of thing. Its ugly.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in order for Obama to be accused of abandoning troops you first have to admit that they were troops.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well they were troops. Ex-navy seals are still treated, by the military, as troops'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you mean "lawful combatant"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And all the honor that goes with it too'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No he doesn't Anaristos, he can claim maybe, possibly they were, and then declare whatever he wants.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's the upside of irrationality.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_the_U.S._diplomatic_mission_in_Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'god I wish Nov 6th would just get here'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Failure to act when you needed to act.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I see. So if you are a retired veteran in some country you can expect the US to send in a division of marines to rescue you after you have been acting in behalf of some insurgency.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if anyone wants a friend 10tp wager I'm open to that as well :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well they were attacking US soil here, soverign soil that belongs to our country.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wasn't an embassy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was a consulate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mercs were there to help destabilize Libya.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they were executed by the insurgents.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think technically it still is our property Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"2012-Oct-28: Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News that he has sources saying President Obama was in the White House Situation Room watching the assault unfold in real time.  However, Obama was visiting wounded veterans at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Maryland for about two-and-a-half hours around that time-frame."'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fourth hand info debunked by reality'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well the event happened over 7 hours.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I dont think that's being debated'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I see you still skirt the problem of why were those 2 mercs there, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They were defending the US consulate, and trying to get the ambassador out'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, let me get this straight so I won't miss your point. The consulate had no marines defending it, instead they had 2 hired guns.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ex-marines are marines. Just because you're not on the payroll as a US soldier doesn't mean you aren't military'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ask any soldier if they would treat a retired marine the same as a marine'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why take the job of actual marines?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They'd say yes.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when they can pay contractors a ton more to do it....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well that's a good question, why weren't US soldiers there?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you really believe that. So, they saw the embassy under attack and they decided to go in and defend it. They were the only 2 "troops" killed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '3 and the ambassador right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I will say that the ambassador was targeted too. I don't know about the 4th casualty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think there were 3 fighter-types and 1 ambassador, I'd have to check on that one'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'They 3 of them were targeted because they were acting in a manner considered subversive by some insurgent group. They were executed. Then the boogey man was blamed for the action. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'BTW: they lasted 7 hours in a fight with heavy machine guns, that's really saying a lot about their courage.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Courage is not an issue, the issue is what were they doing in Libya.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Defending the US consolate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Where an Ambassador was'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama's representative to Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you can show me that they were there to carry out non-military activities I will be satisfied to say that their execution wasn't provoked.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They were there guarding it, on September 11th.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that the mercs were representing the US government?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who told you that that was what they were  doing?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well you treat these guys as if they were something like hired thugs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'they were guards.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's exactly what mercs are, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Who happened to be decorated US Military personnel (retired)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm sorry, a retired decorated US soldier is not a thug.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they weren't there as US personnel. The were there under a civilian contract.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, so they are guarding the Ambassador, no?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And they get into a fight cause someone attacks them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why, you don't think thugs can get decorated? Hell, I think that Custer was a thug and he was not only a thug but was promoted to general.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, they call for help. Sounds reasonable.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'A thug and a US soldier are different because of their actions. These guys where honorable, not mere bandits'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you want to buy that story. But then why claim the Al Qeda executed them? You either have a casualty of an attack on the embassy or the attack on the embassy was to execute them, you can't have both.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Not sure I follow, they were attacking the US consolate for a reason: they're at war with us'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Help was requested, other marines disobeyed orders and went in anyways'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the report is that the deaths of the 4 was due to an Al Queda attack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And when they asked for help, none was given.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We are not talking about marines stationed at the consulate. We are talking about 2 civilians that died there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well the terrorists might have been affiliated with Al Queda'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And a US ambassador'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, they might have been affiliated with the John Birch society. The point being, that that  just a lot of hot air being issued.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, OK so do you agree that the US military should protect a US ambassador if he's in trouble.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolutely, I think that they should. But, if the ambassador is engaged in destabilizing a country then what happens to him is  part and parcel for the course.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Lol, OK so you claim that Obama sent an ambassador there to destabilize Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I would imagine Obama would want the exact opposite.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what, would that surprise you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Unless he really isn't who I think he is.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama isn't a monster here, he's just the kind of guy who won't risk lives in war to save other lives in war. I think that's the only conclusion that could be reached.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US, the country famous for the Iran-Contra affair would not try to do something like destabilizing Libya?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I mean if he said no for another reason then yeah, he's not a nice guy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We just helped the rebels win Libya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Why would we want to destabilize it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US may have helped some rebels, not all rebels.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK well whatever, look this stuff is still coming out. And I know people are biased against FXN, but no one else is covering this'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I want to know why aid was not given when requested by people who served this country so well.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They got into a shit fight. That's war. They asked for help. O said no for whatever reason. Why?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Then perhaps you should research it instead of making unfounded accusations that are easily contradicted.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well it's still developing Ixle.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Exactly why you should learn to hold your tongue.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the attacks on the Consulate and the CIA annex were very brief, and 7 hours apart '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Research isn't a "gut feeling" type of thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Doesn't it bother you that when US soldiers asked for help, they were denied.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It bothers me that you have NO PROOF to support that staement.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And yet you keep circling around to it because it makes you feel better.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But I do, The testomony of a US Navy Seal who was involved'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'November seems to be BSing'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Who said to reporters that his requests for help were denied. Its in the link I sent you'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Wiki article descibes a different picture of events to that BS by November'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'and there is directly  contradicting statement by someone else involved'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The CIA isn't going to help them, they didn't ask for CIA assistance'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Only the US military could have sent those planes in to help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And only the president can give that order.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the attackers were in and out fast at each of the two locations -- sending extra "assistance" was unlikely to do anything '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Not my point, soldiers were dying on the ground, intelligence was there, and no help was given.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant and wrong November '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'November, you are quite naive. I bet you believe in the tooth fairy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '3 soldiers were killed, request was asked for, and nothing supplied.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all speculation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems the the USa handled the situation properly'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_the_U.S._diplomatic_mission_in_Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why are you guys still trying to reason with the unreasonable?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact that you accept the testimony of an interested party as gospel makes you a dupe, November. You have no proof, all you have is someone's word. Someone whose job may be to cover the US's ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I just want to know why that happened, that's all. Look I admit we dont' know all the answer's yet. But my point is someone made a decision that I just disagree with when it comes to saving US soldiers and ambassadors lives'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I also happen to know that to do this, you can't just send the military in without the president's approval'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your point is all over the place.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, so what. So the president not giving his approval tells me that this as all as result of a intelop.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One minute, Obama definitely left people behind to die and Tyrone Woods' words are gospel. Next minute, it's all "Maybe, maybe, maybe, I just want all the answers!".'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Your earlier point was Obama was a troop deserter, now it's just that "someone" made a decision you disagree with. Two quite different things.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Not that I expect you to realize that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well yeah, he did desert them if help was requested and he needed to give an executive order.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'How else would you define desert?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Look behind you, that is the point that just went straight over your head.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were two separate terrorist attacks of short duration, each at a different locations, likely by the same terrorists -- the Libyan government was and is pro-USA  '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about this scenario? The CIA or DIA, or ONI run an op in Lybia, then when their asses get caught in the wringer Obama is informed of the situation and he refuses to become officially involved.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I guess it depends upon how you look at it. I guess I just care about those people's lives and when they got into trouble, they were not helped. O was involved in the chain if it was military, which it looks like this seal was.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's hard to be against terrorism if you are officially involved in it yourself....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'far be for me to wish anyone to die, but when you sign up as a soldier that is one of the outcomes that you can expect.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Anaristos also spreading BS -- the attack was on Sep 11 or 9-11 (2012) -- the Benghazi attack was premeditated'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sure, but there's a certain honor in being a troop in that you can expect help when you ask for it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its not like we weren't able to help them over the span of 7 hours.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I already said that it was premeditated. Pay attention.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Undercover terrorism doesn't count, you're on your own there.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'The article you quoted specifically said that the SEAL was in the CIA annex when the fighting started.  Requests were made via CIA channels, not military.  Assuming, of course, that it's true - FXN has a reputation for jumping on stories without doing a whole lot of fact-checking...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no need to send assistance if the first attack was over'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It doesn't mention the words CIA channels'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were *two* *separate* brief attacks '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, history can repeat itself. The US ran a similar op in Chile.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chile was flooded with "civilian" contractors who happened to be part of the Navy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the end result was that Allende was killed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, I guess it comes down to whose word you can trust. This SEAL team's leader or the CIA spokesperson. Still, doesn't seem right to me if people who are US troops who ask for help in a shit fight get denied at all turns.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tyrone Woods and Glen Goherty died as a result of a mortar attack at the CIA annex -- the attack was over in 15 minutes '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I still miss the point. You wanted the US to attack Libya?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'It mentions that requests were made of the "higher-ups at the annex" - who, because it was a CIA annex, I would assume were CIA personnel, not military.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Just wanted them to send help when they needed it and their lives depended upon it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Zade. They were the targets. Which begs the question of why to mercenaries were operating in Libya. Once that is clarified we can proceed to attach blame to whomever we wish.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the four fatalities were part of the diplomatic mission in Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This wasn't an offensive mission taken out in another country. This was just defending a consolate which happened to be a target.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whether or not they were previously mercenaries is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just out of curiosity, where do you get your information November?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah sure. no one in the  US was involved with what  was happening inLibya'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I mean, Obama probably knew the Ambassador. He picked him.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox News, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, seriously, the only source November has cited insofar IS a Fox News article.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its hard to get an honest truth these days Twyst .. so many sources won't even cover this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, now we're on the "The mainstream media is in Obama's pocket" BS train.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you don't wonder why there isn't a simple answer?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Probably because we only know a few facts so far.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more BS allusions from Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'They could have said: X and Y were playing checkers in the Embassy with the Ambassador waiting his turn. Suddenly, with no apparent reason, the Embassy was attacked resulting in the death of the players and those observing the game.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Anaristos may be a terrorist sympathiser'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'See, the only *facts* we know about are that people died, and approximately when.  Anything else is hearsay, he-said/she-said, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I just don't think without news sources covering this, we'll ever really know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You have poor reading comprehension, don't you, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, the fact that we don't have a source that is reliable should tell you something, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'someone is covering someone else's ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '9-11 (2012) is a very apparent reason  -  the similar date to 9-11 2001'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Exactly, November - we will likely never know.  So don't you think that going around throwing accusations might be a bit premature?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, Zade. You think that grown ups like to do things based on numerology, go ahead.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok fine. But, you'd agree with me that it's not honorable to leave people to die when they requested help.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristis BS: "Suddenly, with no apparent reason, the Embassy was attacked .." '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'because a CIA spokesperson / director is affected by a policital climate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'I would agree that I am completely unqualified to make a determination of whether help should be sent or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'As, I'd imagine, are you.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok so I think that's where we disagree fundamentally. As an American, if requests for help were asked for by US troops under attack then I'd want them to be rescured.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I don't think I need a qualification for that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Zade. Here is another lesson for you, look "sarcasm" in the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'September 11 2012 was was anniversary of September 11 2001 -- the Banghazi attack was premeditated'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It probably was.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'September 11 2012 was the anniversary of September 11 2001 -- the Banghazi attack was premeditated and deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what? You think they declare a holiday somewhere because of 9/11. Maybe the do. You just have to show me who is that celebrates 9/11 as a holiday.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'In a perfect world, sure - it sucks that people died, and it would have been nice for help to have been sent (assuming, still, that it was requested).  However, there might very well be extenuating circumstances that I have absolutely no knowledge of that might have precluded it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Zade. It was premeditated and deliberate. It's purpose was to execute at least 2 people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they were not "executed" -- they were killed in the attack'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they were executed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which means they were killed in the attack.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BS Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have a nice day'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You know, being a US solder, I'd imagine that I'd gotten help. And only one news channel is covering this and they are probably protecting their sources for a reason.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fox new is covering it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but they have a vested interest'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Still, without another source covering this, what else do we have to go by?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in blaming one party'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'specifically one person'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't have a diehard Redsox fan being the umpire in Yankee's games'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'conflicts of interest'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well their motives aside, where else would we learn Obama's true motives.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that get their news from Fox news get lies and misinformation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They interviewed the father of the dead marine when he met Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And he though Obama was insincere and that Hillary's comments didn't seem to add up with the facts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't that seem pretty pathetic to you?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taking advantage of a grieving father'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, but if there wasn't FXN covering this, no one would ever really know.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I think the people have a right to know why O did what he did if all these sources are coming out saying so.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Nobody really knows *now*...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Faux news deliberately lies'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, so unless I start getting different news channels reporting on this with different sources'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Like a hard hitting question on Obama or some other person involved..'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama did not do anything wrong in regard to the Benghazi incidents'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it should "sink" him'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It just doesn't look very good and it paints a picture of someone who just will let it happen'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is to be commended and supported'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama did an excellent job in regard to the Benghazi incident'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Heh, you're entitled to your opinion. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if i were an American voter, i'd vote for Barack Obama 2012'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the 2012 USA presidential election, i endorse Barack Obama!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, like I've said time and time again, debates really aren't about facts. They're about opinions, and style. The way they come off to other people, the presentation.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama was and is an okay President'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sadly, with only one source here, that's all that we'll get - a one sided argument.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least Barack Obama was and is better than the Republican crap'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'See, that's where we disagree - I actually care about the facts.  And now that I know you don't, that explains soooo much of this whole rant.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hehe, yep. I was trying to make a point on debating. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, now you're just covering your ass.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I was merely pointing out that people will by the FN line because it is, truly a debate about not facts. :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'November, you were BSing on debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just desperate to find any dirt on Obama. You can't, so you make shit up.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Go back and look over time and time again, what I've said to you. About debates and facts.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Hey, if it's good enough for Romney...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No shit, thats why he 'won' the first debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Remember, November blames the Republicans' refusal to work with Obama on Obama, blames Obama for not being a strong enough leader to be able to sway the Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not hard to find shit on obama. Or any US president. They are all murderers and terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Dont get me started on our CaC. I serve proudly, and it pisses me off when a CaC runs to Vegas when Benghazi happened, but is willing to be RIGHT there when the storm came. One of my brother in arms was killed no matter what branch he served. Pisses me off that we have a CaC who hates the military.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The lesser of two evils is still evil. Just because obama is better than the other guy, doesn't mean he's good.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BS Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Specifically 1 or 2 republicans Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a CaC?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's the beauty of it Yuna, he doesn't take actually believe any of the stupid shit he says, he's just immitating Republicans. I think he's practicing for a role.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Commander in Chief'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'look it up. Obama= CaC'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is in their best interest not to work with him November'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Your opinion, Zade, from an american view.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is CIC'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should give advance warnings of attacks, just like they do for hurricanes!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think he's using CaC as an insult. The A is probably insulting.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at the debt ceiling debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The only honest debate we've really had tonight is Yuna and I coming together on how we can crack down on illegal voters: cheaper IDs.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that''
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(i endorse the lesser of the two evils) -- (er three evils, and Ron Paul does not stand a chance) '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'if you only knew what the A stood for for someof us.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, November. That's just the only issue on which you've been remotely sane.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'See the rest of us had an honest deabte, you just wasted people's time and insulted the President even if you were just joking around.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't see how he hates the military'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not about to send them on some goose chase in the desert'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty good to veterans'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm actually a pretty moderate person. And Ixle, it may very well come out to be the case I argued. But probably not, since we have one source that only 1/2 the country would ever believe.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama definitely uses the military'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have a simple world view. Anyone that kills someone is evil, unless they do it in self defense. Too simple, I know, but nobody has convinced me that killing does good. In any scenario.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because it would all be about winning that debate in people's minds, did the President abandon troops that requested help?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'do you not see how he is tearing down the military? we are seeing cuts left and right. You may not see it and the media doens't report it, but it's still there'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that world view, defending your home country on your own soil counts as self defense.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the military budget has increased year over year since Reagan'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'take it from someone who actually serves. Its not looking too good on our end.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even under Obama'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You can choose to be a part of the solution or a part of the problem, even if faking you are still part of the problem. Honesty is paramount.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama supported and did not abandon the troops'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why shouldn't we be glad he's cutting spending on the military?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pressuposing he is'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe all taxes should be devoted to the military since obviously 5000B is not enough.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How could you possibly think the U.S. military needs to stay at its current size?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And since the US president orders the military, he is killing a _lot_ of people. Many civilian.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you need to mobilise the entire population for war, otherwise you can't conquer the world and enslave its people...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans by bankrupting the USA (by blocking the raising of taxes on the rich) are mass-murderers and are killing a _lot_ of people.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, anyways Fox and news and the media in general got the mobile WMD labs soo wrong, yet they will uncover the truth about Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'ever since he has taken office, every time a udget comes up, we cringe. That is the only time military spending is even noticed. Hell, some of us didn'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney intends to cut services for the non-rich and increase the killings of civilians'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'even get paid while we were deployed under this Pres. So our families at home while we were off fighting a war had to budget very hard on bare minimum. Very stressful on boths sides of the world.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, Obama is a bad guy for cutting spending on the military at a time when the U.S. is in a deep recession.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, he should devote ALL THE TAXES to the military! So you can have nice ships and helicopters and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna is a turncoat'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"we don't have to worry about the poor in America, there is a safety net (which I intend to shred) for those people" - Mitt Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the U.S. can be ready to go to war against the WORLD or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, WHY does the U.S. need such a huge army?!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'there are so many 3rd world countries out there that is trying to overthrow our way of life and certain groups will do anything to disrupt it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps othe USA requires a huge army to protect the Vietnamese troublemakers and moles '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, for the love of cocksucking, you're one of THOSE idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless China, North Korea, Iran and and 5 other countries joined together and attacked the U.S. in a coordinated attack, there'd be no way for any country or coalition of countries to threaten the U.S...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, first of all, the U.S. army? HUGE. 2nd of all: The U.S. has allies.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I am not one of those idiots. Ive seen it first hand and almost got killed for fighting for my country. You dont know how damn good you have it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the US was under attack?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i heard that Vietnam exported sleeper moles before during and after the fall of South Vietnam (which fell because of Vitnamese corruption)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You didn't almost get killed because the military budget has been slashed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there existing people who hate the U.S. doesn't justify spending more on the military than the next 5 countries in the Top 10 PUT TOGETHER.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you didn't almost get killed because the US was under attack, the US was the aggressor.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these Vietnamese sleeper moles are attempting to undermine the size of the USa military with verbal attacks on the internets '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'you dont call doing convoys and getting hit by two roadside bombs almost getting killed?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'A market, or a government?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did almost getting killed impair your ability to comprehend basic English?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never once questioned that you were almost killed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm questioning how that's relevant to anything.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Short of employing actual psychics, there was no way for Obama to prevent you almost getting killed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how is it relevant that you almost got killed when trying to justify why the U.S: needs to spend trillions on the military?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I certainly call that almost getting killed, but you were carrying out an aggressive campaign in some country, you weren't defending the US. You should blame whomever sent you there for your almost demise.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well then why didn't he?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'obviously unfit to lead'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats the firs thing M. Romney is going to do'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Brb. Save some crazy for me, Tizar, November.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hire 5000 psychics'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are obviously of the opinion that when the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, the natives should have rolled over and played dead instead of defending their countries.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the Iraquis and or Afghans had come over the US and attacked the US citizens would have done the same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'all i ask for for our Pres to support us jsut a little bit more tha what he does. He is making cuts that are not beneficial to us at all. '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Im nat asking to support 100% of the budget to us at all. Other things needs to taken care of too.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and of course, he should take that money you need from school lunch programs, university subsidies, from health care and from the maintenance of the infrastructure, because none of those things are important.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is decribing the Mitt Romney Republican platform: "take that money .. from school lunch programs, university subsidies, from health care"  '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'from those poor idiots buying flat screens on credit cards while getting govermnent food stamps!"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's not hard to figure out, where else will the money come from?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney is likely to maintain the indrastructure require for the rich to remain filthy richerii'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Back. Apparently, I didn't miss much crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Plenty to go around...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'not really. Crazy is only how you take it.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so your position is that rebuilding and maintaining the infrastructure is not essential.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney is likely to maintain the infrastructure required for the rich to be filthy rich'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Of all the short-sighted....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'America, the only country where the poor people think they are entitled to live like the rich.  You don't go to Africa and see those poor tribes with cell phones and flat screens do you?  Poor should live poor and i'd feel more sorry for them'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what supposedly makes America great'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'every heard of Banana republics?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or better yet lived in one?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'the dept store?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let them eat cake doesn't really work'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'never lived in a mall'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You duck as you hear Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler scream "TAMPON TAG!" and tosses a used tampon your way.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'either you are being provocative, i.e. trolling'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or ....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mitt Romney should be Pres of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not because he would be good, but because he would be so sooo bad'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tear the bandage off once and for all'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you just might get your wish, I just hope you don't start bitching when he shoves an umbrella up your ass :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think you're making the 'lets get to the cliff argument and go over it so we can get on' argument for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'll be long gone :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the one thing FXN didn't investigate is Romney's tax records'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dude is obviously hiding something gargantuan'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but obviously no one cares'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I do'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i kinda feel the same of Obama gets elected again...everyone will finally shut up about how great he is when he fails another 4yrs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, not the taxes, that's not important.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'only got voted in for his skin color...what a shame'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just care if the US gets a insane president'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes because being black is an advantage'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'in his case it was idiot'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'everyone knows that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all 43 previous presidents would beg to differ'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same people who have a hard on for Romney now, couldn't get it up for him 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any sane person would say that skin color makes no difference'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Dirk, there is alot who voted to because they were black, or jsut to say they voted for a black guy to erase any type of racism they had.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol yeah he gained so many votes to assauge racism'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'if %95 of all black voters are voting for him and alot of college kids who thinks they are shoving it up "the man"'s ass by voting for him as well....theres actually a smaller percentage NOT voting for him bc of his skin color'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pure bs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he is losing the south by 22 pts according to gallup'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'See, that's what I don't understand - Obama's handed a huge, steaming pile of s*** economy, and people are offended that he wasn't able to single-handedly turn it around in 4 years?  Do you honestly think that McCain would have done better?  What was it about McCain's platform that would have led you to believe so?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'how much experience do you really think obama has/had?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'he barely worked as a senator'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he has 4 yrs of running the country'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'didnt even show up for half his meetings'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Wow, kinda like Romney's stint as governor.  Go fig.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fixing the US (and EU) economy will probably take at least 20 years. If it can be done at all.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Exactly, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney himself said 8-10 years'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plus the four Obama has had'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Right, but convince the average voter of that is about as hard as convincing them that oil is traded on the global market and the president can't affect gas prices.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I just despise the fact it was skin color that got him elected thats all Im saying...not a racist thing either when its true.  The movie Obomas America 2016 hit on this exactly what I already knew'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that true dirkdiggler'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you by any chance been black in America?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'go watch the movie and you'll save me alot of hot air'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I have, its no fun'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but that's just what it is, hot air'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'whatev I hate politics  I'm tired just get this election over so everyone can get back to living off my paycheck taxes etc'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'got the most votes in history inspite of being black'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'got most votes BECAUSE he was'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Twyst on the head and says, "DOH!"
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if being black was such a voter draw'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why aren't all the president of the US black?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Myself, I make no claims one way or the other, 'cause I can't read even one mind, much less the mind of every voter...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I remember going out to vote last election and a serious crack head was in line twitching out and asking "this wher ya go to vote fo Oboma?!"  if a damn crackhead got up to vote and my lazy stoner friends didn't.....welll u see'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Can I just say something that will plese both sides? This is one reason why I serve. Where else can you express your TOTAL opinion without any major backlash?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'serve?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in the military'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'werd'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler enthusiastically high-fives Tizar!
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can never take "reverse racism" enthusiasts seriously'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'cuz its true?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it takes some serious cognitave dissonance'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'how racist would it be if %95 of all white voters were voting for ROmney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '95% of black voters voted for Clinton too'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and black voters were actually split on the candidates?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it has nothing to do with race'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol they always vote for walfare :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they comprise 15% of the population'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Did I miss a comparable statistic somewhere saying that most blacks voted for Obama?  Link, please?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'most blacks did vote for Obama, no doubt about it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but really why are the republicans villanized and portrays as "the evil rich white men"'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the percentage of white voters swayed by race is likely much higher than that for blacks, simply because black overwhelmingly vote democrat'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe because they are?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'smart rich white men...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, which party is the one advocating austerity?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'doesnt make them evil'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and only at the expense of everyone else, no taxes on the rich please'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'why shouldnt we all pay the same tax percentage anyway?  The rich would STILL be paying more'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is evil to want more money than you will ever really need while people starve'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I think the rich are already getting taxes out the ass if u think about what already gets taken out of a middle class paycheck'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because that's far from optimum, and would crash your economy faster than we can replace you'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the rich were truly being taxed out the ass as you put it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'than the wealth imbalance would not have accelereated so much'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'No, because those that are truly rich are the ones that aren't earning a paycheck - they're living off their investments, and being taxed at the capital gains rate.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the treasury would have made more money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'thats what i've resorted to :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you made me do it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler sighs.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'm just a biology major....screw politics....ima go get high'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'so then you should support Democrats who want to legalize pot right?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I was talking about crack....I'm about to smoke a 7gram rock....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'jk....yea legalize pot would be nice :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm OK with legalizing pot. There really isn't a strong argument against it that I can see. I think smoking pot is bad for you like smoking a cigarette (different reasons) but its kind of foolish that people hold on to this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Romney on November.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lets not even open that debate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'On the debate channel? Never! :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I did my senior project research paper on that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'theres no debate , its 2012'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'we've won that arguement for years.....when they gonna just do it already'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'where did Yuna go? I miss that person.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USamnericans are unable to handle legalised Cannabis - they tend to be compulsive-obsessive drug-addicts'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I will say this. The legalization of pot would cut down on alot of DUI's.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Driving under the influence including marijuana will be a part of any legalization bill passed.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: '..and that argument works so well for alcohol...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'hHave you ever driven high?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Of course I have'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I find it hard to drive without being high tbh.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'did you just feel like cruisin and just a little paranoid?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Alcohol, you just get sloppy.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The point is, get caught driving under the influence of marijuana and it will be treated like alchohol. I can almost guarantee that.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Regardless of how well I think I drive stoned.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The legalization of pot is likely to increase DUI (if a roadside method of detecting THC usage is found) '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'and I agree with that 100%. Treat is like alcohol.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The legalization of pot is likely to increase the number of vehicular accidents and train wrecks'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Correct, and in lieu of that it will be based on officers judgement and followed up by a UA or other method of testing. Not innocent until proven guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a train wreck in the USA caused by a locomotive engineer high on THC'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'airline pilots high on THC -- there's a nightmare scenario for passengers and those on the ground'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah, you'll get no argument from me that it shouldn't be regulated use when legalized.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: '...and taxed like crazy...:-P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Depending on what those taxes go to, and what the growing laws are, you probably won't get any argument there either.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'IT departments are unlikely to hire computer programmers or systems analysts addicted to THC'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'THC doesn't have a physical addiction'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'That is why, being in the miltary I know Ill never get to smoke anything until I get out. Unless they find a way to test for it instantly and be able to tell wether you are driving high or not.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong -- THC is addictive psychologivally'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC users are also liars and unable to determine when they are incompetent'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are you saying THC has withdrawal symptoms?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the old THC varients relax the inhibitions to tell blatant lies -- and the modern THC varients cause extreme paranoia'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so no withdrawal symptoms'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when THC becomes a psychological crutch, there is addiction, regardless of whether there is physical addiction'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same argument can be made for twinkies'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC users mix Cannabis and tobacco -- nicotine is addictive and indirectly results in Cannabis addition by association'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're not wrong, but its irellevant'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'twinkies addiction may be removed by a healthy diet lifestyle '
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not physically addictive'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'THC addiction can be removed by a healthy breathing lifestyle'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sex is not physically addictive, yet there are sexaholics'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is just modern psychologists/psychiatrists milking people for money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aardwolf is not physically addictive, yet you suckers keep on playing here'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'addiction means you can't stop even if you want to'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah? -- try to stop playing Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the operative words being if you want to'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'quit aardwolf many times for multiple years'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the heart is deceiful, above all things" - Jeremiah'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet you are here again'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, I'm not going to quit to prove a point'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the only reason I play Aardwolf is my job simultaneously puts me in places with terrible bandwidth and plenty of free time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gotta have something to fill the time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that and it is fun of course'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the fuck?! Fresh off of the "I'll just pretend to clean these soup kitchen pots" bullshit, Paul Ryan turned another photo op into a bout of bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'He's a politician...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When supporters at a Republican "victory office" were packing away supplies for Hurricane Sandy relief work too quickly, possibly too fast for there to be any work left to do once Ryan got there, they were told to slow down.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the end, they just kept 6 boxes behind and pulled the mout when Ryan appeared in order to pose for photos.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'This is news how? 100% of campaigns do this since ww2 :)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's no different than News outlets reporting how the President (and Gov. Romney) both "stopped campaigning" to "monitor" the Hurricane'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The news is not that  they're doing photo ops, it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'What are they supposed to be doing? Parting the storm?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The news is not that  they're doing photo ops, it's how brazenly Ryan will lie to our faces.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure my comment goes for brazen lies to'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too!'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, telling people to work slower in order to help victims of Hurricane Sandy so Ryan will g et his photo op?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah it's messed up. I'm just saying it's not surprising. Tinada's right - everyone does it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Who believes in that kind of picture anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the hurricane was a blessing. it created new jobs that'll clean up and repair all the shit that got destroyed ;)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The same people who believe in Ryan's lies?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Dagnir that's ridiculous. If I go around smashing windows it doesn't mean I've helped the economy b/c more people will have to make new windows and install them'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can't blame you when apparently nobel prize laureates believe in the broken window fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it was supposed to be a joke'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah...I knew that. *bonk self*'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wasn't it Krugman that wrote a piece about that some weeks ago?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I try very hard to not read his stuff'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and apparently he believes that a bit of war/disasters/whatever is good'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's not very hard to avoid his writings, but that was close to a new bottom point for nobel winners, I think'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's Keynsianism for you. Real wealth though is not just recouperating what was lost, but by using existing capital to increase wealth. The capital still exists whether or not the disaster happens, and the only question is whether it's put to use getting us new things, or put to use getting us back things that are lost'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'A disaster might create demand, but war certainly didn't help the South after the Civil War. Or Russia after WW2'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah. I read the NY Times though. Just not his section :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're confusing wealth and production...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a disaster reduces wealth, but boosts production. In a liquidity trap, that can return the economy to full potential, which can result in a net increase in wealth.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, there's no need for a disaster to create jobs... it would make more sense to just build more stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, I agree it may boost production, putting to use previously idle capital. It's just not a net gain really, b/c you spend that capital recouperating what you lost, and then demand drops back off again. Therefore you have less capital, and yet the same stuff following a disaster'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an output gap of a trillion decreasing slowly over the course of a decade or more adds up to quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing is, if it removes the output gap, it does create more than the initial boost'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'By output gap you mean difference between potential production and actual production?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'businesses tend to expand on the basis of expected demand, which in itself creates more demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Business can create demand (see Apple and the iPod) but do you think that's the case for the kind of production involved after a disaster? Does a company gearing up for more construction create more construction demand?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you have more demand for construction materials, replacements of inventory, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'translates into more wages paid, which increases consumer demand'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for comparison, look at the experience of recent european austerity and east asian stimulus...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's true about the more wages paid -> more demand I think, but there's the question about how much of the current active capital is being diverted to recouperate from the loss. I believe that many companies will just change from one project to another, hiring a few workers, but mainly just changing their focus'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and if the disaster recovery is just using (at least mostly) previously active capital, it wouldn't be making that big of an economic boost'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And I'm also not sure the current European problems are from austerity. It also has to do with an availability of capital due to high interest rates resulting from record levels of borrow and spend. I know in Greece there are a lot of otherwise viable businesses who need seasonal loans, but are unable to obtain them at any price b/c there simply is no money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Banks are trying to deleverage, and the central banks are being forced to raise interest rates in order to sell their debt. No more money flowing through the system. That's a more systemic problem than drawing down gov't spending. B/c more gov't spending will increase problems with the debt, thus exacerbating the original problem'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weird bunch of news tonight: France authoroties hit Google with a $1.3bn claim in content row'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook start selectively enforcing ban on political speech'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eurozone unemployment hits new high'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama losing to Romney in Wisconsin early vote, admits Mayor'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'newspaper circulation sinks to new low'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iowa joins Texas in threatening to arrest UN election monitors'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jill Stein arrested resupplying protestors opposed to Keystone XL pipeline'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What is dangerous about election monitors?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't invited and could interfere with the process, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a tit-for-tat response to the imposition of all kinds of new voting regulations that the states didn't pass'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'that makes the third time Jill Stein has been arrested'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's getting accustomed to it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a sign of someone not afraid to stand up for what they believe in'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'anyone know much about her? I'm having trouble finding much about her besides wikipedia'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'green party candidate'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'green party is what the democrats dream to be if they weren't taken over by globalists and commies'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd never vote for them, but I at least respect their integrity'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike the two 'mainstream' parties'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which are both dodgier than a $17 note'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's a sign of someone (1) not afraid to stand up for what they believe in, (2) not afraid to break the law, (3) not competent to govern their own actions, or simply (4) a career criminal...repeated arrests doesn't signify anything as it can be any of the above'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, don't think she's been charged with anything'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then she's been detained and hasn't been arrested'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested but not charged'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'can't be arrested without a charge'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can here'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's anti-establishment, and they don't like that. Whatever next? slaves leaving the plantation?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it's quite delusional to run for president when you received 1/100th the votes in your own state's elections :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt she's running to win'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so she's just wasting everyone's money and time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, she'll be getting her party's policies out there and known, garnering support'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a difference between a candidate and an activist'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's just wasting everyone's time and money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'not necessarily... even if she doesn't win, if she can get a significant portion of the votes, that raises the power of the green party'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depending on her level of support in the election dictates her funding subsidy next time around'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's very relevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I repeat, 1/100th of the votes in her own state'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are she'll poll 1% US wide'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it will *HURT* the party's status'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I didn't say that she was being successful... just that winning isn't everything'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, so again, I'll repeat. she's WASTING everyone's money and time'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'her and her supporters would disagree'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as many other reasons to run as you can pretend there are, her running does not qualify'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If a no chance candidate is greatly superior to candidates with a chance to win, you may still want to vote for the hopeless loser.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is why you ought to have instant runoff voting...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why I started out by declaring her DELUSIONAL'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think Obama's wasting everyones' time and money'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..since there is no overwhelming virtue in supporting the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where's nader this year? :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is pretty poisonous as it is, why would you want to make it more so by explicitly sidelining any possible third party candidates?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's not even sideline, she's 100 miles from the field'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Likewise you might argue that Ron Paul's campaign was a great success, even though he finished..hm..distant 3rd or something?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, not relevent'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think this sums it up well: [31 Oct 15:45:51] (Debate) Saric: 'anyone know much about her? I'm having trouble finding much about her besides wikipedia''
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'because lots of people were made aware of his views'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the process for getting on the ballot there, but over here candidates have to pay a sizeable cash deposit to get on the ballot which they lose if they poll less than 5%'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'curious'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, tinada...but his actually accomplished stuff...hers IS NOT'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, ron paul actually came in 9th in 2008'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obama with 69.5M, mccain with 60M, Nader with 739k, Bob Barr with 523k, Chuck Baldwin with 200k, Cynthia McKinney with 162k, Write In (misc) with 113k, Alan Keys 48k, Ron Paul 42k'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Donald Duck got 7 votes :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he was beaten by good ol' misc??'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at Sonshi, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'granted there were another dozen people below him'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is "god" there as a write in?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points excitedly at Barack Obama!
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'man, all those republican primary candidates, and the one sane guy was also the only one who never got a surge in support...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans get surges in support?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and in 2008, "None of These Candidates" got 6,267 votes in Nevada where it's an option :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the primary season, it seemed like all the not-Romneys got a go before they finally settled on Romney'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they should just do away with the house'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'run everything from state'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and no, not one person voted for God :('
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jesus did get votes tho'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how about allah?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'christ?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, that's part of christopher :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haha'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think Obama is disappointed with the damp squib hurricane Sandy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I just got power an hour ago, was without for around 41 hours'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple of days off work?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for some people, it's not a real hurricane unless a few thousand die or something'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well technically it was a tropical storm'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, kids were off mon/tue/wed, not sure about tomorrow yet'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it certainly wasn't the 'major disaster' it was being branded in the media'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of collateral damage, but will benefit the economy in the long term'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was level 1 hurricane...millions without power, some expected to remain without power for another week or more'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was downgraded as it made landfall'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, that's what hurricanes do'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'katrina didn't'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the storm surge came while it was very much a cat 1...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it did...otherwise it would still be blowing'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'storms start, grow, peter out and end'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's good not too many people died'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but pretty typical of media sensationalism'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was hearing tales of idiots going out in 3ft and growing of water trying to move their damned cars'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a lot of the media was also headquartered right where it landed.  It's kind of like the news coming to them'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's news because it hit a major city, even more so that that city is New York'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not saying that it shouldn't be news, but if it had hit a couple hundred miles south, I'm not sure it would have been considered quite as 'severe''
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be so prominant if it hit a third world city'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if the U.N., or simply any other countries are offering aid'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health insurance companies in the UK are creating second tier of cheaper consultants'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, got texts from american express and bank of america telling me of their emergency benefits :P'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'usually a bunch of countries offer aid in situations like this.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it is also usual that any aid is seldom mentioned by the recipient...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_sandy#Meteorological_records_set_by_Hurricane_Sandy'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Al Gore was on the news claiming that Sandra was a result of global warming'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great, Manbearpig, that'll be the global warming that hasn't happened in the last 16 years, will it?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '7yr old boy beaten to death by mother after failing to learn the qu'ran'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those virgins have to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it made the news, it's horrid because it's religion, the media don't bat an eyelid for people beaten to death for disagreeing with the establishment'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sure they do - Rodney King'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't disagreeing with the establishment'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was guilty of the offence of being black without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police also beat people up for being disabled without due care and attention, having an epileptic fit without a permit, and being in hypoglaemic shock while underage'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're caring people, those police, public servants that work to protect and serve the public'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was also guilty of beating the crap out of a bunch of police officers while hopped up on pcp'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who he? rodney king?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he wasn't being stopped for the hell of it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty clear he was a bad-un, but that's besides the point, really'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he royally fucked up other cops before the stop that was recorded (and he wasn't always losing the fight that was recorded)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was hardly a one-sided beatdown for no reason other than being black'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately for them, the police need to be held to a far higher standard'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, they got caught up in the moment, they went too far'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they didn't do differently than much of the public would in the situation'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much good as peacekeepers if they're kicking the shit out of someone though'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do, they shouldn't have done it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's that kind of thinking that got us stuck with spoiled brats thinking they can do anything they want.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you'd rather be raped'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cops are bad...get rid of them, see how well you fare :-)'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get rid of the bad cops, keep the good ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they were the good ones'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you get rid of the cops, it means the soldiers step in to fill the void.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are already being militarised'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't worry, OCP will handle it'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why they taser you for not showing papers'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'cops tasered a blind guy who was carrying a cane'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but the difference is that they still care at least a little bit about the populace.  With a soldier, if they have to tell you to not do something twice you're gonna get shot trying to do it a third time.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that was here Vost'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost nods.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, i just heard that Iran is claiming to have created Hurricane Sandy.....'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also claim to have nuclear capability'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, was reported on the Huffington Post, that makes it somewhat suspect'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything put out on mainstream media should be taken with a pinch of salt'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, now that I'm looking at it, it looks like a Syrian group is claiming Iran did it, so meh'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaking of HP, Times Warner canned a Jessie Ventura documentary on the TSA'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so that may be true'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Jessie Ventura is strange'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I think that's putting it lightly'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'candy corn sucks'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea what that is'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you're lucky, then'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's up there with peeps, chocolate covered cherries, and cadbury eggs'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'candy corn is basically cooked sugar.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought caramel was cooked sugar'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, but I can't stand candy corn'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is, there's like three different things you can do to sugar all using the same process.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, well, I have to admit, sugar is awesome, but not candy corn'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I understand that it looks cool, and is great for designs and whatnot, but as far as taste goes...'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's much better than chocolate covered cherries.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, that's difficult'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people will tell me that they loved it as a kid, and that it's because it's really sweet, etc.  But I didn't even like it as a kid'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'some with the chocolate covered cherriest'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'minus the t'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm liking chocolate covered peanuts'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I like those'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently they're looking to hand control of regulation of the internet to the UN'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'involves taxing inter-country traffic and tying unique user id's to each packet'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I heard something about an internet tax or something'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone keeps saying NO, but this is the UN, they're not going to listen because they're not elected'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'how could they force people to pay?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't.  The UN is not an enforcement body.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't force people to pay, they force the transport infrastructure corporations to pay'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only way UN regulations get applied is if the member nation decides to follow them.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course member states will follow them'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's one of the things people don't like about the US, because when we don't agree with the UN we just ignore what they say.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is one of the big supporters of the plan'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't like a free internet'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I never get around to working out exactly how corrupt the UN is'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like all control freak administrations before him, he wants to know everything you d'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do and everything you say'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. i've also heard he's a gay secret muslim'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I expect it's some sort of weighted average of member nations'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard he's inept'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Do any of you believe he is religious at all?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard he's in cahoots with the Republicans to hand them the election.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's probably not religious now'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it's irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, he was fairly active in his church before hand, you probably remember the whole row over that'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's as relevent as romney being a mormon'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'apparently he went to the church for 20ys without noticing what the pastor was saying?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course I don't usually remember what the pastor talked about last week'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grabs a selkie's halo away and flees into the night.. how cruel!
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't Obama set a new world record with the recent batch of debates?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Barack Obama.
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3 90 minute televised debates without a single policy?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lowest neilson ratings?'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neilson ratings are naff'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more people were watching the NHL than the debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He did talk about his goals, at least, and he did complain about Romney's lack of details.'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I dont' know, I thought they were the most watched debates'
T3/r7/2012-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should rename them "nelson ratings" and go "HAHA!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '"your mom went to college!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you reject reality - drugs ? still subjective reality - reality is where you live imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reality is only through your eyes '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not necessarily true'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some things like numbers are objective - inless ur double vision is in play ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'eyes can be easily fooled'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur grasp of objective reality is ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no such thing as objective reality'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all reality is by definition subjective'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'surely the number 1 is objective ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it is unknowable'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'because you cannot prove non existance in a universe ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Descartes did a pretty good job of tearing down objective reality, his subsequent rebuilding of it I find unsatisfactory'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so how would you cut the uncutable then ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like sophism'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wana flesh that out mate ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm just trying to say, there is no definitive reality'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we all just agree on an accepted reality to get the ball rolling so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'accepted , nice going - I contend that numbers are in fact objective until you go to count something '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can buy that'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'somewhat of a tuatology  though - don't involve humans and objective reality exists ? - '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'appreciate you going slow for me '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry i don't understand your question'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't involve humans?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unless you involve humans (who are prone to subjective perception) objective reality exists '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but doesn't it have to be perceived? or whats the point'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that we are unable to experience it (presumably) that it exists at all is a revolution in thought ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not claiming its revolutionary'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever heard of the two slit experiment?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am saying theoretical phyisics is based on that premise '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - describe pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i heard slit'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler wildly high fives the air, looking very foolish -- very foolish indeed.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is pretty involed'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '2 slits 2 cup'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if any of the brains trust are on n want to direct this - I'm all ears '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'doh!   2 slits 1 cup'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't link - soz no proxy atm '
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'will look up later though - ty !'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'np'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Michigan Engineering researchers have figured out a way to "pressure-cook" algae for as little as a minute and transform an unprecedented 65 percent of the green slime into biocrude which can then be refined into gasoline, diesel and other chemicals.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nature does it in millions of years, we will do it in mere minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gasoline made from algae costs about $20 per gallon, so it will still be a few years before it becomes marketable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Renewable nonrenewables? That's incredible'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Seriously, not facetiously'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biodiesel from algae costs about $17 a gallon right now. :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i wonder if the rate of production of biodiesel can keep up with the rate of consumption'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not saying it can't, I just don't know'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also wonder what affects water distribution would have on biodiesel production'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has been estimated that if we used 1/10th of the open land in arizona to produce algae...it would produce enough algae to make 5x the fuel we currently consume.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and the water usage?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can use any kind of water, including saltwater to grow algae.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although, i'd think that they'd be able to recycle a lot of the water used'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so then you'd have to locate the farms near the ocean?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'They have farmed salmon, they can farm algae too I imagine'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or have access to a dirty water source...lots of them in arizona.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'convert the algae into oil, put it in the pipelines, and send off to the refineries....'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Anyways, the fertilizers used to grow corn for ethanol runs off into the rivers causing algae blooms. Using the algae there could counteract the dead zones that are popping up as a result of the over abundance of algae'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure they can use just any old type of algae'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there are "dead zones" b/c the algae takes a lot of the o2 out of the water'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regardless of what happens though, algae is our future.....even the US Military has started to use jet fuel based on algae for operations.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, well, not exactly, the decay of the algae is what takes the o2 out'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what makes algae so special?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Ah, thanks Razkin. Didn't know that'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae is 100x more efficient at making biofuels compared to corn.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'look up eutrification (sp?)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason corn based ethanol is so cheap right now is because of govt subsidies, which in turn raise the price of food.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather spend research money on algae biofuels than corn ethanol.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, actually'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though they also have biofuel plants that break down animal byproducts and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's "eutrophication"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'had to look it up'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're not super efficient, but it seems to me that a lot of that goes to waste, and should be reclaimed even if it only produces a small amount fuel'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, there is a biorefinery in missouri that turns turkey and chicken feathers, intestines and parts into bio-oil.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I couldn't remember how it was spelled, just how it was pronounced  :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it produces about 1000 barrels a day right now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, that's actually the one I was thinking about  :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I read about it somewhere, thought it was a pretty good idea'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also think about places like las vegas where a lot of food gets thrown out, you'd think they'd be able to convert that'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They hope to ramp up production to 50,000 barrels if they can get a grant from obama....but obama would rather fund solar companies that go out of business after getting $500 million in federal grants.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'solar and wind are silly, at least in terms of replacing our current energy sources'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'certain types of solar make sense, but we cannot currently compete with china when it comes to actually building the solar cells....the chinese can do it much cheaper right now...it makes no sense to build them in the US unless you put tariffs on chinese imports.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, and I"m not saying that those types of alternative energy don't have a place and a use, I jsut don't think it's going to go far in replacing oil as our source of energy'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but actual wind turbines and solar concentrated power plants work quite well and produce power at around 5 cents kwh'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an american wind turbine research company is building 7 megawatt wind turbines now...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they also take up a lot of land'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at least the current ones do'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not an issue in some places, but in others, it becomes an issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, so do coal power plants. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not as much as a wind turbine farm does'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 acre per 7 megawatt wind turbine'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and las vegas does recycle all that food waste.....it is turned into a liquid slop and fed to 2000 hogs that become bacon :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those are probably the best fed hogs on the planet.....lobster, crab, fruits and veggies, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China has found 25 trillion cf of natgas in shale formations.  They just leased 20 new blocks of land to oil companies to find more.  83 companies bidded on the new leases.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The last B-52 delivered to the US Air Force has reached 50 years old......and they are still in use to drop big bombs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the news, people?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a series of stories explaining recent events you might be interested to know about. :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hurrah!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sandy toll still rising, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the normal: looting via twitter in ny, race tightening elsewhere, first lady rally michelle gets people worshipping obama as a god, disney buys lucasfilms to dodge higher taxes next year'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'romney pulls ahead in colorado, commentators think Gary Johnson might hold sufficient voting power to tweak outcome in some tossups'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, on a more serious note.  Shnuck's supermarkets are doing a triple-coupon event.  Between the advertised sale price and this 3x coupon deal, you can get all sorts of stuff for free.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and.... birth rate hits all time low, 40.7% of babies born to unmarried women, but we knew that women these days were dykes'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we went there, bought $100 of groceries for like $33.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boobies'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sorry, can't buy boobies in the grocery store.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you can, just offer $100'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't, spent that on groceries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'supermarket prices can be quite inflated... at one store nearby, there's stuff, like bottles of pasta sauce which go for 3 normally, but every few weeks they go on sale for 1.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and, really, would you trust a $66 pair of boobies?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boooobies'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the real price is 1. 3 is for people who don't pay attention, or have such high income that a few dollars is worth as much as toilet paper to them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go get a shale oil job.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and coupons are for those who want to be Jon Pinette bait (...get out of the line!)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, just because a store can put an item on sale for XX doesn't mean that they're making a profit selling at at that price...the term "loss leader" applies often at supermarkets (not that some items don't have great markups tho)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stores rotate their losses.  By keeping some items high, they can just give away others with no real impact on their bottom lines.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'put french onion dip on sale for less than you pay for it, but make up for that by selling the chips to go with it, as an example'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west virginia, ohio, pennsyvania, texas, north dakota, montana, arkansas, oklahoma all have known shale oil deposits, and some are booming, and the others will be booming soon.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prices of at least some items are inflated well above their marginal cost, though... no need for loss leaders on those. At least not the loss part'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's slightly amusing to me how they inflate the prices of some items slowly, increasing the retail price, while the sale price remains the same...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well they ARE a business, not a food pantry...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I've noticed that sometimes they slowly increase the price of some brands of pasta, then introduce a new, cheaper, brand of the same quality, and phase out the previous one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cycle then repeats.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inflation!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is way higher than the government rate'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've changed the way it's measured at least twice in order to suppress it'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Tigernuts to be more quiet.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation is a myth.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation by the 1980 measure is around 8%'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'People are only confused if you include energy, food and such in the prices'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sorry that we use cars instead of horse drawn carriages now...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the food supermarkets sell you all comes from other businesses, so if some products just aren't selling they aren't going to invest more in them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why, we should never recalibrate our measures, instead, we keep track of the current prices of hand-crafted stone tools!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, If beef becomes too expensive, you will switch to mincemeat. When mincemeat becomes too expensive, you switch to dog food (possibly..I hear it's mostly grain nowadays..), hope dog food never becomes too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recalibrating is fine, calibrating deliberately to show a preferable trend is not'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and when everyone buys mincemeat instead of beef, obviously the right thing to do is to replace beef with mincemeat in the cpi'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'inflation is good for debtors'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every time you recalibrate something, everyone screams bias. bah'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and despite outward appearances, nothing is really ever stable.  Newer technology comes around, ingredients (and ingredient quality) changes, shortages occur, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it, sonshi, foot is up 60% over 5 years, energy is up 200% of 5 years, fuel is up 150% over 5 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a lot more than 2% a year'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'foot is up over 60%, oh the irony'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food, sorry'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the price of the food items I buy has barely changed in the last 7 years in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raisin bran is still cheap....hasnt gone up much in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can argue about the hedonice formulas, certainly. If computers become 30% quicker and 10% more expensive, how do you measure that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is a measure of the increase in money needed to maintain a set standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can blame the increase in food costs on using food to make fuel...stop doing that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Can anyone actually give a website showing real measures of inflation for certain goods over the last X years? I bet the Fed does it or the Dept of Commerce. Would help this discussion a little bit'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'different people buy different things... if the stuff you buy has doubled or whatever, it doesn't mean that the inflation measure is flawed. It's not your personal measure...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn ethanol is bad for your health.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's the billion price index, by MIT...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any type of alcohol is bad for your health.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://bpp.mit.edu/'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it weren't, you wouldn't get drunk off it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol is not bad for your health, making it from corn to run your damn vehicle is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'feed the damn corn to cows so that I can have a low priced ribeye again, damnit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'shadowstats has some funny calculations, but I'm pretty certain they are quite wrong too'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wrong kind of corn'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'less accurate on inflation, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their inflation measures are spot on'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dammit, the map on that site is so small you can't even click on my country without zooming.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz, didn't I see you bitch the other day that cows are only supposed to eat grass and not corn?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen similar studies for equivalent historic measures in the Uk and they  come out much the same'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Now! Grouping restrictions! Famous rule, popular reason for leaving some years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the bpp site, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I prefer grass fed beef, but finished on corn, ie the last 2 weeks of their life.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Shadowstats has interesting unemployment info though'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I also like corn flakes damnit, :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd rather trust MIT's BPP than some flaky site...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but regardless, 40% of the corn grown going to ethanol cannot be a good thing when it comes to food prices.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should stick to corn growing for food'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, just what we need, a bitter bitch in the white house :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err, mis :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'looks like we have a Hillary supporter :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'food commodity prices tend to affect poor countries more. Rich countries usually can't be bothered because the prices of the underlying commodity is an insignificant part of the price of the finished products there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hilary would make a poor president'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I suspect Hillary Clinton would be better than the two most recent presidents.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and corn is good for the environment.  You can make biodegradeable plastics from it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who thinks killing 100s of innocent people with drones in a country you're not at war with is FUNNY.... shouldn't be in a position of power, ... or a member of the human race'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, should stick to random missile attacks on embassies of countries you're not at war with.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or pharmaceutical plants'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should stick to self defence, who knows, you might make a few less enemies that way'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would only work if we had an immigration policy other than "come on in, plenty of room here for ya!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who needs to worry about defence when you're invincible!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news for you: you're not'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I see some estimates have negative net immigration from Mexico in 2012'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Looks like Tigernuts is lying again. Time to let everyone know!
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I recall, that's only been the trend for the past 1-few years.  It started, I believe, when the illegals came hear looking for work, couldn't find any, and then coyoted back to the motherland.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Last time I checked the eroei on the ethanol conversions was pretty disastrous'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how did alabama's strict illegal immigration law work out for them?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although the profit earned by some companies (after a truckload of federal subsidies) was quite nice'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would make more sense to import brazilian ethanol made from sugar by Shell oil company than it would be to keep using corn to make it in the US....it is a damn giveaway to farmers.  Instead of just giving them more money to farm which would be cheaper, we make laws to prevent the importation of ethanol to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, at least we're not paying farmers to NOT farm anymore!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, we still do that.....it is called CRP'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Or you could allow some more pipelines to be built/oil fields developed and get your energy without needing subsidies (and without raising worldwide food prices)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a climate where dependance on foreign oil is increasingly seen as a bad thing, how would this make more sense?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CRP, the conservation reserve program...it pays farmers a little money to NOT farm....but now it makes more sense to grow corn to sell to ethanol refineries instead and get the $1.00 a gallon tax gimmie'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We also have a limit on how much brazilian ethanol can be exported to the US, any more than that and there is a $1 tariff per gallon on it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn prices are at record prices now because of the ethanol demand, and the overseas demand of american corn.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though most of it is GMO corn.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The avg starting pay of a worm roughneck in Texas is currently $24 an hour.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I was making more than that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'closer to 32'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and that was green.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'roughnecking is demanding work, and dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jury nullfication is extremely important. Hands up anyone who doesn't know what it is?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Thats why I don't do it anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'jury nullification is a two edged sword'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'sure kept me fit tho.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gate guards are making $100 to $250 per day.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's something the establishment are trying to do away with'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is reason by itself to protect it'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it really depends TN'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on what'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on whether you trust the average citizen to do the right thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i trust 12 average citizens to, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you trust 300 million citizens to elect the right thing?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you're a liberal'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'name calling gets us nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, abe, but the people suffer for lack of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and being a liberal is not a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is estimated to be producing around 3 million barrels of oil per day by 2020, more than twice the closest producer of north dakota at 1.4 million barrels by the same time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in most cases it is, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Yo momma!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do the people on juries not suffer for lack of knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I personally think juries should be dropped.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Tinada, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee you 99.99% of jurors aren't aware of jury nullifications'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of the electoral college also.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'juries are protection against an authoritarian state'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about juries in the deep south in the 1950's?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I for the most part agree with you, but they are not infallible'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, nothing is infallible'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the more protections the better'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Theoretically, maybe. In practice it seems juries are mostly a way to make it easier for good actors to win cases.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless the jury hates you, or fears what your verdict will do to the comunity'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 person 1 vote.....get rid of the electoral college and give the vote back to the people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but its against the constitution and the founding fathers!!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'eliminating the EC'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no I don't want a nationwide rcount.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'or a recount even.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the electoral college set up under the constitution? i don't recall'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Juries may not know the term "jury nullification," but they know they can just return a verdict of not guilty'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Does it matter? I serves no useful purpose now..'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same think, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Sure it is. They don't want to convict, so they don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of nullification is for cases where someone is technically guilty of breaking a law, but the law itself is unfit or unjust'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '/sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if 3 people vote, 2 for one person and 1 for the other...the 2 person gets all the electoral college points.....so the 3rd persons vote means nothing....that seems wrong to me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'say for argument sake that they make a law saying it's illegal to wear a hat on a friday'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a law that says all Jews must be reported so that they can be taken away to be gased'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, I know. I'm saying that jury's are confronted with the victim and with the defendant (at least he's in the room with them, if he doesn't testify), and if the jury jsut doesn't like the victim, doesn't like the law, or really likes the defendant, they may not convict even if they know the defendant is guilty'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the person with the 2 votes should get 2/3 of the EC points, and the other person 1/3'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt that's possible, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't that work both ways?  If the jury can vacate a law such that the accused does not get punished, can't the judge overrule the jury?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but just because that's possible doesn't mean that people shouldnt' understand the WHOLE of the jury law and purpose'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans, he cannot'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'sometimes in sexual assault cases the jury wont convict b/c they don't feel the defendant should be forced to register. The lawyers aren't allowed to mention that registration would have to happen upon conviction, but the jurys often know and then refuse to convict'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so to really fuck someone over, I have to get on a jury...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't help you, hans, has to be 12-0'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The judge can dismiss the charges before its submitted to the jury if there is no possible way a reasonable jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Upon conviction the defendant can appeal and reargue that no reasonable jury could have convicted. So there are opportunities'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the background really is that the law should be a means to an end, not the end itself'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a context and rationale, go read up on common law and the origins of the legal system'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be inefficient, as apparently you have done so already.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Of course the law is a means unto an end. It's an expression of a moral goal that we as society hope to reach. At least in the abstract that's my opinion of the law'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so which is TN, common law system or fundamentalist approach to reading the constitution?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was there a question in there, twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you seem to support both, but they are diametrically opposed'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'There's no "common law" constitution. Rules of construction can be based in a long history. I think you're referring more towards "living document" vs "originalist' approach, and that just depends on the Justice deciding the case'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not diametrically opposed at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'originalist (also textualist) and living document are fairly opposed. Sometimes they may dovetail, for instance new methods of speech are protected under the 1st amendment by both approaches, but they are often opposed'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah what he said :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Read the abortion cases (Roe, Casey, Cruzan) if you want to see in sharp contrast the different approaches'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the ones on slavery and women's suffrage'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there can exist extremism within both those camps'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, you could go read Dredd Scott and see an attmpt at originalism'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'isn't he a pirate? }:>'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you sit on the far edge of the living document camp, then you might as well not bother having a constitution at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No Tigernuts, you start with the words, and then just interpret them per your "growing awareness" to mean whatever you feel is nice and comfy!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd replace "nice and comfy" with "whatever fits your purpose at the time, nefarious or not"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law" gives you the right to an abortion. Duh. It's right there in the words'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the child doesn't have the right not to be deprived of life?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'correct.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well then it falls back to the argument, when are they a child?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Not until viability. A fetus isn't a "person" under the 14th Amendment'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'even after viability they aren't a person. The State just gains a compelling interest in the life of the fetus. A state could allow abortion until the moment before birth'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a child is not a separate entity until it can reasonably survive on its own without biologically- or technologically-induced help.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fetus is quite viable, do you mean zygote?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, Hanslanda. You tell em. And all those parasites in your stomach aren't separate organisms either.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, incarcerating and/or assassinating american citizens without trial.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Zygote and fetus. Being a fetus doesn't entail being viable. Viability only happens around the start of the 3rd trimester'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there can be any argument whatsoever that THAT is unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, we have the technology to save a premie, but the whole entity question is sidestepped since they basically have no other rights under the constitution.  Can't vote, can't enter into binding agreements, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'term fetus refers to later stages of development...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'children can't vote. Neither can people in coma's'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'children can't vote either, you suggesting we can murder 16yr olds?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '6 year olds can't vote or enter into binding agreements either'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I think a zygote develops into a fetus at about 2 months Abelinc'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'so yeah, it's more developed. But it's relative to earlier stages of life'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we can agree that abortion is a complicated acse'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'case'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a question of extremes though, people trying to get the morning after pill outlawed because it is abortion...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in a perfect world people wouldn't be so fucking retarded and would use contraception'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Abortion isn't complicated. At the moment of conception there is a unique organism with human DNA all its own, and who metabolizes, grows, adapts, has the potential for reproduction. It's a living thing. Since it's nothing other than a human living thing, human life begins at conception'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh i'm sorry, i didnt' realise we were playing devils advocate here'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you to it, i can guarantee you i won't be aborting any of my pregnancies'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on account of being male'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  Abortion is just a different form of miscarriage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and not getting any sex :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's a tough issue, but it's not complicated. The tough issue is whether fetal life is worth protecting. But we can't pretend a fetus is not alive'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Kinda Hanslanda. Heart disease is the leading killer of people, but murder is still wrong. Just bc miscarriage is the biggest killer of fetus's, doesn't mean intentional abortion is okay'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Humans have an amazing capacity for pretending. It's one of the things that set us apart from primitive creatures..'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bzzzt! Wrong!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it currently comes down to "who do we care more about...the woman who can bitch and moan [and reason] to us, or this thing that we can't see without climbing inside her, which can't ask us for anything"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I thought that was opposable thumbs?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, not even that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the primates are defined by that feature, so it obviously can't be a humans-only thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he didn't say humans vs non-humans ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure he did.  That's the primative creatures part.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'while not human, primates are generally considered to be rather advanced creatures'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"I'm going to drink this bunch of chemicals, and if you feel any discomfort, you should try to exit and survive on your own, because I don't feel like providing for you anymore"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clearly creatures lower on the ladder, like economists, are also capable of pretending, so it's not a unique human thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You groan at the sight of Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and no, my original statement was neither serious nor intended to imply that only humans can pretend'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so far, about the only thing that seems to separate humans from everything else is religion and we literally have no way yet to prove/disprove that concept in other creatures.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Religion would involve some sort of ritual, no? That serves no other visible purpose?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Do we see that in other animals? Actual question, not rhetorical'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'religion, or religion-esque ritual?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'A reigion-esque ritual might indicate that animals have religion...which is totally preposterous imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Animals don't have souls and weren't given the gift of forgiveness imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'humans don't have souls either'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Tinada has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does appear to be the case, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Well that's not really debatable. But I believe we do'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we see rituals, yes, but none that approach the zone of an externally-focused aspect such as religion.  Mating rituals, feeding rituals, the pecking order, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah, good point hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my cat has rituals'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they're called habits'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..at least any kind of extraphysical/immortal/whatever soul is not something you can easily prove from Bible texts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'other religions have it easier..'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Well, we know that God forms us, and that we will live forever if we believe in Jesus and accept his forgiveness. That essence of me that is more than my flesh, that God knew before I was created, and that will continue to live on, is my soul'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i prefer meat to go with my vegetables, not the other way round'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'animals have sexual preferences (ie, gay penguins), sexual fetishes (koalas rape their women, some sort of lizard uses love triangles to improve mating odds, eagles form life-long monogamous relationships, etc), emotions (happy, sad, victimization, frustration, etc), and the ability to reason outside of instinctual matters (mostly among the higher-order tool-makers, though there are some non-primate species that are being found to demonstrate the same).'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I saw this documentary about a bird who would go hunt for a long, thin twig that was perfectly straight. He would then carry it to a certain rotted out branch, and use it to spear worms on. It was incredible'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'He had to stick his twig way down in the hole and fish out these worms'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's a smart bird imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some monkey/ape species are even known to fashion their own toys, as opposed to inventing games using naturally-found items.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'rubix cubes? good luck monkey, i can't even do one of those'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fairly easy when you learn the pattern'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, no.  I meant more like instead of just picking up a handy branch to swing and swat with, the primate would pull off the leaves and extraneous branches, modify the shape (ie, sharpening, hacking off weird bends, etc), and use the finished product as a sword.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Have animals been shown to appreciate music?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'even if not being able to make it themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had a cockatail that appreciated the sound of the phone ringing'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the phrase music soothes the savage beast came from somewhere ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean all animals in general?  Several species can actually already make music in the instrumental style (ie, not something they can voice or otherwise produce naturally via their own bodies).'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm not really counting bird songs'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are even some studies showing that they are even using music/noise as a codified messaging system.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ie, jungle drums'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'monkeys doing drum circles? Just like Bonaroo'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what about jungle bass?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '"In a surprise announcement, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said Thursday that Hurricane Sandy had reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and that as a result he was endorsing President Obama." LOL!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'GG'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloomberg's a tosser'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought he said it reshaped his thinking?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame it didn't reshape his head'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'apparently Hurricane Sandy was a result of Global warming, even though government scientists came out and refuted that claim when he made it'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the dude's ALWAYS been an Obama supporter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'exactly. I didn't really fall out of my chari when Bloomberg endorses Obama :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the NOAA actually told Bloomberg how wrong he was to think GW was the blame'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but facts dont phase him. He sticks to his (outlawed) guns'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and his banned 16oz drinks or whatever size it was'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: '44'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buy a 2litre bottle. problems solved'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what if I smuggle in my own 44 oz cup from New Jersey? Is that against the law?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy is seriously special needs'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I dont think it regulates refilling your own container'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'just people selling'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro glances at The River Styx, a look of obvious relief on his face.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Im in tx where we drink whatever the hell we want to so Im not too sure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'except beer on sundays :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Yeah except that'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'in NC we can drink after 12 noon on sundays.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'here too I think, not sure, Im not much of a drinker.  I keep a 6 pack in the fridge and it takes me 6 weeks to drink it'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm the same way, just with a case of beer. And 1 week'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some animals are even able to incorporate instinct memories into their interactions with new species.  For example, in the Colorado/Wyoming region, grey (timber?) wolves basically got hunted to local extinction in the mid/late 1800s because ranchers were losing too much livestock to them.  As a result, the species was put on the endangered species lists and was successfully brought back to a point where they could be reintroduced to the original area (now suffering from a deer problem).  The reintroduction was successfully boring, but one surprising aspect was that the red squirrel populations were able to recognize the wolf as a specific predator even though no squirrel alive in the region ever encountered one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'maybe the squirrel just said "that's a big thing. I'm a little thing. RUN AWAY"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how do they determine that a squirrel recognized it as "a specific predator"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nutjobs come up with some truly nutjob things to write'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I no longer recall the specifics of the argument, but that was what their observations concluded.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what observations concluded'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is good.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm sure they were smart people. But that just doesn't prove much to me that a squirrel knows a wolf is a predator'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what idiots concluded'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'walk a german shepard by a squirrel, it runs...walk a wolf by a squirrel, it runs...walk a cat by a squirrel, it runs...boom! I just concluded by observation that a squirrel recognizes a cat as a wolf'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you find a region where there are squirrels but no canine/feline species?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you're missing the point Hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'll still run.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'squirrels know how far up they're NOT on the food chain'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't wait to know that something's a predator before their reaction is to run'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suppose you have a population that doesn't recognise a new predator. After a few generations, the ones that don't recognise it would be dead. Reintroduce it... good chance it'll still be recognised.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scurry! sniff! flinch!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after 120-something years?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, it's not recognized as a predator, it's recognized as a threat'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those who wouldn't recognise it died long ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'y'know what, I don't need to have seen a grizzly to know that it's a fucking threat to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'As did the ones who did (and likely another dozen generations after that)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ones who did reproduced'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but that's because you still have the connection present.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'squirrels will run from vegans as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now if a squirrel dipped its tail in ink and did a sketch artist's rendition of the wolf, THEN I'll go with "it recognized it as a specific predator" :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, what would you think if the squirrel acted aggressively?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd think holy shit that squirrel has rabies'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what do you think would happen if a crocodile walked past a squirrel in wyoming?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'bff'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, I certainly wouldn't expect the squirrel to get all pomeranian-like trying to scare off the croc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it runs away because "Holy shit, what the fuck was that!" not "Holy shit, that's the thing that ate my great great grandpappy!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I want to see this implemented.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you get the alligator. I get the squirrel. We meet in Wyoming'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way to test it is to observe if there are any major differences in the reaction upon encountering a different type of wolf...'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nono, it has to be a native wyoming squirrel'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and a native wyoming croc? That's tough'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the croc's not allowed to be native...that's what we're testing'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a reasonably-similar alternative would work.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, reactions would naturally be complementary.  If the wolf was just lurking and exploring, it's reasonable to expect the squirrel to react differently than if the wolf was clearly trying to get the squirrel.  And the prey would react still differently if there were something to protect, such as a nest full of delicious babies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the squirrel will run away regardless of the largish predator...some type of recognition would be displayed if the method of running away used a different strategy (zigzag for one predator, beeline for tree for another, beeline for under rock for third)...however recognition would only need to be as far as one predator looking somewhat like a familiar, wouldn't necessarily be recognizing an individual type of threat'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no reasonable test which would result in a valid conclusion of "squirrel recognized this specific thing from 100 years ago", however...just nutjobs publishing a paper to continue with their research grant :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of nuts, did you hear about the recent innovation that allows for magnetic drives to expand their capacity by almost a factor of 10?  Something to do with how many atoms they store their information on (new = 1 atom/bit or someuch, old = 6-10ish atoms/bit).'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am waiting for quantum computers to become available. They will have quantum drives with a theoretical infinite capacity :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if only they'd calculate reliably }:>'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sure, one can only hope :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with quantum computing, you can divide by zero (because theoretically, all the 0s are also non-zeros).'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not exactly, each bit will be represented by a quantum state or the like. I am betting they will be using spin to determine 0s and 1s.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'integer spins will be 1s and rational spins will be 0s or viceversa.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_bit'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's even simpler :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'makes it very compact.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'qubits rather than bits'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was thinking that they would have to use now batches every time information changed, but they can reuse the same electrons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could say that the state space is literally in another dimension! har har har'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, the little machines  that they will be able to build :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of little, they're upgrading the material military uniforms are made of.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me guess :) coherent radiation resistant :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the new material will be made of carbon nanotubes, designed to repel chemical and biological agents in much the same way as those flexible skinsuits that harden on impact.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and here I thought that the first use of bucky balls would be for civilian use :('
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the first uses were civilian-based.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure but I would think that hazmat suits now would be more important. Since hazmat alarms occur daily.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've got hundreds of uses for them now, though graphene has taken some rather large bites out of that pie.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, nanotubes are both conductors and dielectrics so their uses are basically limited by the imagination.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what I thought they would come up with a uniform that repelled laser attacks :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the suit's also going to be highly breathable, at least before the encounter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, a hazmat suit has to do more than protect from immediate contact, it has to provide an stable internal environment. It doesn't do any go to be saved from nerve gas only to die of suffocation :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're working on personal forcefield suits (they first were working on vehicular forcefields, but saw the need to keep troops near vehicles to be a liability)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure they'd have breather units incorporated.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if anyone's working on those nostril filter things like in the Ultraviolet movie (the bad guy wears them so he doesn't become a phage)?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ooo, she was so hot in that movie :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, wanna use your iphone as a can of pepper spray?  There's an app for that!'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it is almost gospel that if you are going to work on biowarfare you have to also work on bioattack protection. So I am betting the US military is working on something of that nature.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=3800'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but wait, the US has banned biowarfare research.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos is rolling on the floor laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many Osborne I's are still in existence today?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the I stand refuted :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, weird.  The military is working on "bulletproof custard".'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe for the pie fights at the mess?'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, no, it's the nickname for a topsecret liquid that hardens on impact.  Supposed to be 50% lighter than the plates used in bpvests now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh, apparently 11ish years from now we're going to have a space marines program in the US.  An elite fighting force, a mere few hours away from everywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how nice :) Death and destruction raining from the skies :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and we thought the reason for the space program was exploration :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'And In more reports! When I hurt you it makes me want to do it again.. Now be still so I can land a hit!'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wtf lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My max HP is 1776, the most free and independent number of all time'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am partial to 13, myself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, and if you are referring to the US, didn't they already have slaves by then?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hey as far as slavery goes everyone was doin it at that time. It didn't get sad until the 1800's when nobody was doing it but us.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you think that's justification...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's not, I got nothing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Spanish quit importing slaves before the 1600s. Most colonies by then had integrated the former slaves into the general population.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But still that year represents independence from the English. Slavery or not.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides I an not arguing wether slavery is good or bad, just questioning the "free" and "independent" claim :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well I justifed what I meant, look up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gotcha, if my neighbor beats his wife and I am justified in beating mine. I understand.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I told you allready I was not trying to justify slavery'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you are making an untenable statement :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my mother is a sex slave from China'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am not, America was free from the English as of 1776. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, but that wasn't your original statement :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'what was my original statement? Because my second statement about slavery was kind of a joke, a bad one but still. I conceded that their was no justification for it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'there*?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '[1]776, the most free and independent number of all time <--'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Anaristos does have you there'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh no we pay the crown too much in taxes vs. I will force you to work for me unpaid for all your life and do what I want with you'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well, what is the most free and independent number of all time then? If I am wrong you gotta have a better answer than me. Number has to be a year in history though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, numbers don't have those kinds of attributes :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1865 would be better'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'although there are other equal/better ones'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: '1 would be the most independant number'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you could argue that 0 and 1 are the only numbers :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are the only numbers that can't be constructed from the other "natural" numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'When I said number, I should have said year. -__-'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you might have gotten away with that, then again...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you step into the debate channel, you are asking for it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Snooky don't get away with shit in this motherfucker. I might be the only one that will concede defeat though. Because I'm a man dammit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am taking advantage of the fact that most Imms know me already because of helper.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'any discussions going on tonight?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, but here is something interesting I just read: When Casey Jones crashed into the hanging cars of a freight train, he destroyed 1 locomotive, 1 caboose and 1 mail car. Total damage was 2996.25 :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the injured settled for 37.00 :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'wow'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this was 1900 :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'times have changed alot'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'things change Mox'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the engine, which was one of the most modern of the time, cost 1396.25'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now the go for about 5M - 10M'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, some of those tour buses cost 2M'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'jsut goes to show you how much value we have put on things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought it just showed how worthless the dollar is now :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Court OKs warrantless installation of hidden surveillance cameras on private property without a warrant'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds seriously dodgy to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i hope they see lots of dude masturbating and other stuff they wouldnt want to see with their hidden cams :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get your unhidden video camera out and video in public and you get arrested, such is the hypocracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bloomberg blamed the NY flooding on global warming? Is there no end to this guy's idiocy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, it was global freezing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's global weather'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an unusual combination of weather events combined with a high tide and full moon'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and of course we know that the average planetary temperature has no impact on the weather.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if that's the case, why would a 0 increase in global temperature cause it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we no further that the average ocean temperature has no effect on the weather.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is trolling out lies'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you measured a 0 increase, I would buy a new thermometer :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like the rising sea levels that haven't'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol trolling out lies'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'bring on the rising sea!  i own 7 surfboards'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting the sea levels have only risen in one area of the globe?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, aka I don't agree with you (though I don't agree with Bloomies either )'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no, I doubt if that is the case, but the sea level is rising, in general.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's barely changed'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brief search shouws average sea surface temperatures stable over 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you know how much a 1cm raise in the average level of the ocean translate to in liters of water?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1cm over what time period?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sea levels rising is directly attributable to glaciers and icecaps melting which is directly attributable to global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how much has the global temperature risen over the last 17 years, zade?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1cm of extra ocean water, plus the warmer energised more violent weather may be swelled into a lot more water action'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is absolutely no doubt that there is climate change, but the scientist 'models' have been proven to be utter garbage'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since it's these models that the globalists have been using to infuse panic in the public, ram laws down everyones throat, and most importantly, tax everyone'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is BSing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you never answered the question, zade'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you don't want people to know that it is infact you doing the BSing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleat like a sheep, zade, bleat like a sheep'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the winters are getting warmer here every winter -- that seems to be global warming '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no snow seen yet -- there used to be a brief snow fall before halloween about 7 years ago -- early snow is becnming rarer and rarer here'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so because you haven't seen early snow there must be global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we haven't had a heatwave here in years, there must be global cooling right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stats based evidence either way ?  evidence ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zaa-aa-aa-a-aaade doesn't do stats evidence'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the climate is changing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'crazier than me ? dammit this is my gig mate - get ur own :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, no global warming :) The ice in the Antarctic is on strike, that's all :) '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is experiencing more of the more violent weathers -- another symptom of global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'antartic ice is stable, artic ice has deteriorated since 1970 but has no records before that'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the glaciers aredisappearing, and the polar icecaps are melting -- another symptom of global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do we all go and watch the Inconvient truth and come back in 2 hours ? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts grins evilly at Tzadkiel.
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was that inconvenient Tiggy :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade didnt' watch the inconvenient truth, he watched Monty python's lesson on logic'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ever heard of Pascal's wager?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably misspelled haha'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without looking at the "theories" by repunlican scientist moles paid to be "discredited", there is plenty to look at that supports global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's climate change, not global warming, the liberals changed the catchphrase 10 years ago when they realised the model was crap'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without looking at the "theories" by republican=paid scientist moles paid to be "discredited", there is plenty to look at that supports global warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pascals gambit - better to believe in god than not too '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tzadkiel person again...
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that a climate change does not entail temperature change?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change entails temperature change, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both ways, over a long period of time'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if Global warming is a myth...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well we cleaned up the planet for nothing, shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't cleaned up shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call this clean ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is the ultimate goal'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what Tiggy said '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moving all your pollution production to china and india to meet UN agreements is not "cleaning"'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an ice-age is "climate change". Also since republicans state that the climate is no longer getting warmer but holding steady (though warmer than umpteen years ago), the term "climate change is crap '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'better of dealing with economic reform ... deals with every facet of humanity atm - best tool for reform imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'screw the planet!  We wont be around long enough for anything to matter '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is confusing several terms now'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'thats the spirit right?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you then contend that because you are alive at this time there isn't a change in progress because they all have been historical.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tzad, did we walk into a special needs school on this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm front n centre - must be .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean Ice Ages and Firestorm ages happened to other people, they couldn't happen again. The volcanic activity, the shifting tectonic plates, the overheated Pacific oceans, they are all myths and mythconceptions :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current "global warming" (whether steady or rising slightly) is definitely affecting the weather, the glaciers, the icecaps, sea-levels, etcetera'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go ahead zade, you'd best give all your money to al gore because of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are? Well, hush my mouth'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is giving money to Al gore?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone who wants to help him compensate for Clintons success imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'euphemism for all the carbon-based restrictions and taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore invested in all kinds of goverment welfare-receiving green companies, his fortunate has gone from $2m to $200m over 20 years. It's no surprise he travels the world harping on about impending doom due to our carbon dioxide emissions'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is causing the arctic winters to be colder (since the extra CO2 is absorbing the sunlight attempting to reach the polar regions in winter (where there is yet sunlight)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just because Al Gore might be crooked doesn't mean that there isn't global warming.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole UN approach is crooked, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do agree to moving to reknewable energy sources - carbon tax is a blunt instrument imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolutely blunt :) Considering that the major emitters will not pay a dime.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, tzad, if they wanted green energy here in the Uk they'd invest in tidal power, we're a fucking island for fuck sake'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but no, like US, they tax the shit out of regular energy which is already expensive for poor people, to give to crazy companies building stupid wind turbines that nobody wants'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and which will -never- make a significant contribution to the energy requirements'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so what is the answer then - subsidise research n roolout ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no subsidise, just do'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'walking to work would help considerably...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'will never? is that what your crystal ball says?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is aborbing more sunlight and more heat and thus energising the more violent weathers (hurricanes, tornadoes, etcetera) regardless of the average gloval temperature'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work 28 miles away, it would be a hell of a walk, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've moved on from that, zaa-aaaa-aaa-de'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'change the patterns then'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'global'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'geothermic is good base load energy - Oz has solar in spades but out researchers are all working in germany atm - the best ones anyway '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only reason you work that far away is because you have a vehicle.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason i work that far away is that's where the job is'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'car pool - public transport ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah .. ok had to try the party line on :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so instead of me driving my car to work, you want a smelly bus carrying 1 person to work?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Angels advocate n all that :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about they concentrate on providing public transport in the metropolitan areas and stop screwing the rural areas?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'would save on gas money'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much plastic vapour (and other chemical compounds) leaks from lots of solar panels'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course not, we don't want to inconvenience you. I'd rather fry the environment :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, anaristos, my driving to work is going to make no difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same thing was said about CFC's'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'inner city Adelaide is pretty good for public transport - I guess it depends and I don't work so I guess I have no idea of time restrictions '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much psychological damage does the noise of wind farms cause to those no longer able to get silent noise relief'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a local issue, zade'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wind n wave - both have moving parts and huge stresses on parts - high maintenance imo - solar or geothermic is better imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much lubrication vapour leaks from wind farms '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a line there I'm not touching .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so ? soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '... Zade , even?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zaaaa-aaaa-aaade doesn't have solutions'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the solution is to pretend like nothing is happening'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he prefers to bury his head in the sand'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats the problem imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so who amoung us has ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a workable soln to energy generation the involves renewable sources '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cars and trucks are regulated to reduce pollution emissions -- but smelly lawn-mowers, ATVs, mopeds, scooters, two-stroke engines, are not yet regulated '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'obviously there isn't a cut and dried solution'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each country should become energy self sufficient and work towards it's own renewable sources, using cleaner versions of non-renewable in the meantime'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the structural investment needed to get there is not going to come from corporations looking to turn a quick buck'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are ways in which we can move toward it - imo a carbon tax is not one '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did it here ages ago when they linked vehicle tax to emissions. everyone moved to lower emissions. easy'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they're whinging that the tax isn't producing much revenue'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but emissions went down'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i know :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but theyre now looking to change it'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that a bad thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government think it's a bad thing because they're losing revenue'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they think low emissions are a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are unrelated'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what they think'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i don't agree with vehicle excise duty, it was an example of using something that was already there, tailored to act as a carrot to the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't tax the shit out of everyone, they offered people a cheaper options for lower emission cars'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from a revinue point of view - is why I think we really need to rethink out fiscal environment - lets be honest - the dollar drives all atm '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so we know the carrot n stick approach works on the small end of town - but the larger ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the carrot and stick works period'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'read Freakonomics some time'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can put in regulation for the output of pollutants for new power stations'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can offer people zero tax rate on energy if it was from a wholly local renewable source'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creates a margin'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for a country to introduce the same approach runs the risk of loosing comparative advantage over - China for one '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not anticipate benign solutions (from God) when callous greedy anti-socialist republican-supporters are around -- the four horsemen of the Apocalypse and Armageddon is more likely'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the key thing is for countries to become energy self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cheap power = cheap manufacture .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that requires cheap labour and cheap parts too, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I said China didn't I :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism isn't the answer'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China is a huge polluter'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Globalism is unavoidable'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap-energy that rapes the ecology is not the answer'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and I'd love to see Oz energy self sufficient but isolationist behaiviour in the schoolyard and in global politics has proven flawed imo - look at N Korea ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not unavoidable, and it needs to be avoided because it's BAD'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit of an unfair comparison, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'corporations are growing stronger and more concentrated every day'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co-operation, not co-ersion'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'globalism without socialism is bad'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'globalism has been around for a while in a sense'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was just one way - colonialism'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the definition of co-ersion'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'colonialism is BAD, and it's still going on, just in the form of Emprism, instead of taking over the country's government, you just take over their resources and direct their government'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA and the west are still doing that'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on co ersion - special interests - so called democratic fund raising for election campaigns and loss of soverenty due to this like of funding .. perhaps that is were we need to start looking in order to gain headway ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'China is doing that with Oz now Tiggy '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china is doing that with oz and half of africa'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has been for years '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA/Nato is doing it with the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think china and russia veto stuff on the un security council?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and all based on dependance on raw resources - lol union time :P ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really think al-quaeda jihadists will make a better government in Syria than Assad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, democracy unless it is not who we want'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just in syria I think the local populace has a strong enough movement to get some form of democracy through - rather than letting the church move in ? only a sideliner but thats my poinion '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assad is hardly Ghandi, but he was keeping the peace between the religious sects'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Assad is also a douchebag'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no surprise that since the fighting started, the rebels have been burning and looting churches and killing those who are not sunnhi'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just need someone to keep the peace long enough for McDonalds to move in and then it's lil US all over again '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were mcd's there already'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria was a peaceful country and had been opening up to the west'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just didn't like it because it wasn't controllable because it wasn't a democracy, and was supported by Russia. That's the -real- reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Yes we can" is a communist slogan in South America'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and yep - Assad is more than a ? doushbag ? lol you can swear here :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insane, Greek PM calls for EU referendum and threatens his chief of staff who are demanding a parliament that is representative of the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't even make UK news, WTF'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Napolitano taking flak, refusing to answer questions in the house'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wall street/big banks routinely hire New York cops for security. Goldman Sachs spend $11m dollars over the last 4 years at a rate of $37 per officer per hour'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'German authorities caught planting spyware on citizens' computers to remotely place files, take screenshots, and take control of webcam and microphone devices'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nyne woods is good'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like that headline: Food stamp growth 75x greater than job creation'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fears that Barack Obama would use a lame duck second term to eviscerate gun rights are fueling record firearm sales again, with gun store owners labeling Obama, 'The best gun salesman we've had"'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN to investigate war crimes committed by western backed jihadi's in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm not sure his handling of the Hurricane will help him. There are a lot of people who are still in a lot of trouble that Obama didn't go see. He should have stayed there throughout the weekend. But then again, people rejected the 'country first' attitude of McCain.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a safe democrate state anyway, shouldn't make much odds'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS worker charged with soliciting 70 children for sex on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'His handling of the situation is a national thing. Remember Katrina and GWB? Because GWB didn't have 10,000 trucks full of ice medical supplies and essentials ready to go with 2000 airplanes ready to drop supplies in, he was some sort of terrible person.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to find some good news to coutner this'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, North Korea "Hotel of Doom" to open next year'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'San Francsisco won the WS!?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Xfactor to end after next season!'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'As a Phillies fan that's not great, but its good news to SF fans.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Was hoping Detroit would pull it off, but SF was clearly a better team.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here we go: Amsterdam drops tourish drug ban'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, thats' about the only good news i could find - sorry'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'xfactor done after next season?  The world is ending'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, what are the braindead zombie liberal trendies going to watch then?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'probably more porn.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unemployment rate up to 7.9%, that's still below the UK's i believe'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, apparently i'm wrong, UK's molested unemployment figures is 7.9% too'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(according to the Office for National Bullshit..  i mean Statistics)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'romney takes 2 point lead in ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'says the poll that can be off by as much as 5 points.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The problem with these polls is that they don't really mean anything face value "X is up by Y to Z"'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its all on how they think turnout will be.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't really mean anything period'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the polls don't include minor parties, for a start'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If truly 38% of democrats turn out to 29% republicans in Ohio, then yes, I 100% agree Obama will win that state. '
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But if it is closer than that, or near tie or even a republican lead, Romney will win that state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that likely? the trend is that republicans will a far higher turnout'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its not likely Tigernuts, thats why I think Rasmussen will be spot on. However, only time will tell. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'we will know on Tuesday'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its all about educated guesses. The polls who have more resources can really work on their turnout models. However Simpleton State University poll (example) probably not and will use the 2008 or 2010 model.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided Gary Johnson hits his 5% , i'll be content'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Lol, somehow I knew you'd support him.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he takes more votes from democrats than republicans and you end up with Romney in charge, so much the better'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Not much more to add to the Benghazi situation, just more circumstantial evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'traditionally they take more from republicans tho yes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They would, libertarians would either go for the GOP or the libertarian party canidate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd think that, apparently the anti-drugswar and anti-warwar message is resonating among young democrats'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Libertarians are, in my opinion, moderate to very right wing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the relaxed immigration laws are going down well with the latinos'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'However if I lived in the UK I probably would be one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarians aren't part of the left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its all about perception and nurture and environment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well if you define left wing as a strong centralized (perhaps even totatarian) government and far right wing as near-anarchy then yes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Most libertarians want the government out of most things in their lives.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think Romney will pull off the popular vote, but I agree - the swing states will all come down to turn out. In Ohio, each side has its own strengths there. Its going to be really close, and anyone who says that they know for sure who will win is probably trying to sell you something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I dunno, Its hard to win the popular and not win the whole thing.  Statistically, its happened too soon in the recent past'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Don't get me wrong, I might shed a tear and move to Mexico if Romney wins but yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If its less than 0.5% it is actually really possible, but yes, if it is more than that, even above 1%, it should follow that the electoral collage would go with it too.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Unfortunately I live in a state where my democratic vote doesn't really matter.  Texas is going to carry red no matter what, at least for the foreseeable future.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Same here, reverse situation. Unless somehow no democrat can show up to the polls on Tuesday because of the storm, NJ is going blue.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'the inland parts of NJ are more republican, btw.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'except for the Camden area of course.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'vote for a third party then, if they get enough support it may raise some eyebrows...'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'But hey, I take heart that some day us simple minded Texans will realize that rape is NOT a gift from God'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The River Styx snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now, that's crazee talk.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Rape is not a gift from God, but it is a cross given to some by God.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The River Styx says "INORITE?!?!?!" to Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And a tough cross too, its emotionally devastating I am sure. :('
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The River Styx sighs at the sight of Romney on November.
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'even if I believed in God, I wouldn't be that ludicrous, or hell, maybe I would.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Still, the faithful have to remain faithful in that whatever cross is given to you, you'll pull through it and it'll work out in the end.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well the real point of debate there Styx is fundamentally this, "can bad things that happen to you, pain and suffering, end up being good for you the long run?"'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The faithful think so, that is why pain and suffering are treated differently. As Padre Pio put it, "if you truly knew the value of suffering you'd be praying for it."'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'sure it can. But that doesn't mean its a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably not rape.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'In itself it is not a good thing. Sin is not a good thing. Its how we deal / cope with the pain and suffering that changes us.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mother theresa surely believed that. And that got her a lot of money.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I believe she's on the path to cannonization.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, in her case, it was the pain of others that was good for her.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'The real debate is, I respect others beliefs and entitle them to it, just give me the same entitlement not to believe.  And don't base my inaliable rights off of your religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think she suffered a lot personally too Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I dunno how to spell inaliable, and apparently neither does spell check.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so, I base most my knowledge on her on the bullshit episode, it may not have told everything :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I don't recall the details, but I believe God made himself very visible to her early on - and then for 50 years she had to go through immense challenges without so much of assurance from Him. That was her test, and I think she passed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, she had one drunken night, and wasted her life on some hallucination?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well Styx, this isn't about religion, its about our fundamental existence. That question is a philosophical one, not tied to any religion. Most religions have an opinion on pain and suffering, not all of them the same.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think He made himself visible quite a few times when she was in the convent period  learning to be a nun.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I doubt substance or alcohol was involved.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, then she was just delusional.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'It IS about religion.  Religion is what drives your answer to how to deal with pain and suffering.  Believe it or not there is such thing as no religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Maybe, but there have been many mass "delusions" if thats what you want to call them. Like the 70,000 people at Fatima who witnessed the sun becoming unhinged from the sky and a miraculous drying out of all rainwater in mere seconds.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Were all of them on substance abuse at the time? doubtful. Still, no emprical evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, a majority of the world is probably delusional. Doesn't make their delusions true.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well let me as this question then, what proof do you have that God doesn't exist? that these people are dellusional. To make a claim,  you have to explain their psychosis in definitive way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't need to prove the non existance of anything.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Apparently I'm delusional, to think that a religion based on kindness and tolerance wouldn't go to the extremes it does to push their religion on to me.  Oh wait, can't make money without followers, forgot.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You're not dellusional. I'm just asking for your evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'There are several religions around the world that are not compatible with each other.  At least SOME people MUST be delusional.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'if they all really believe in the tangibility of it, then yes Cosmo, somebodies crazy as a bed bug.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well the qeustion is if you are helonistic or monotheistic. As a monotheist, I believe that yes Cosmo, there is only one real Truth. Thus, only one religion is capable of really being right. Helonistic people are OK with the personal god concept, where all religions may end up being true.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, of course, helonsitic, polytheists are entitled to their opinion. I don't push stuff on others, just explain my own beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, man turns his dead cat into a remote control helicopter'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: ''Biden: 'There's Never Been A Day In The Last Four Years I've Been Proud To Be His Vice President'. I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think Obama would do well by giving this man a teleprompter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'He has plenty to spare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about giving him some policies'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that he can concentrate on those instead of removing everyone's rights and violating the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I just can't get over the quantity of gaffes he makes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both have'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It's literally one per day, or if not that one per every two days.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, you didn't build that'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, Biden is far worse than Obama on gaffes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think George W still trumps both'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, he didn't commit this many. Not like 3-4 per week.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure he only chose Biden because Hilary would have been too divisive for him'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Here is a running list of Biden Gaffes, the site says Updated Frequently! hehe. http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/bidenisms.htm'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its actually missing a whole lot.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt obama would have wanted Hilary as VP because of influence the Clintons have, she'd probably have had him topped just to be president'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I have this conspiracy theory that Clinton (both of them) wants Obama to lose and Christie wants him to win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think their love for their guy is very shallow.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they want him to lose?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than having a better chance for her in 2016'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Clinton would rather go up against Romney in 16' as the 'savior' from his policies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And Christie would rather go up against Obama failures in 16'.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'christie is nj governor?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, and in the interest of full disclosure, my governor too. I am a NJ resident.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw the guy on an interview about sandy. The guy's an imbecile'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'People like him because he's moderate, he doesn't take shit from no one, and when he says something he's going to do - he does it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That kind of attitude resonates with a lot of people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's an imbecile'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as bad as bloomberg, that guy is just a cook'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kook?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You should watch him handle the press in a press conference. It's hilarious.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I've always believed that the Republicans *generally* offer up better candidates because of how much the liberal media grills them. They end up being more tested-in-fire. People don't realize how much the two parties and the media biases actually strengthen each other.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Still, they cause too much polarization, nothing gets done and big problems get worse.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mussolini's granddaughter to take over from Belersconi as leader of Italy's centre-right party'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh, just saw my first 'christmas themed' commercial.  I'm sure they started earlier, but that's the first one for me this year'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's modern pointless zombism for you'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'Girls look good in shorts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'girls look better out of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better access in skirts and dresses.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'Damn, you guys are good debaters.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashnar: 'masters of it, even'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc has a degree in master debating
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from the Unh! Unh! school of debatery'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, if her mom comes home early then she can get decent real quick while you dive under the bed or into the closet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no she cant'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, clearly I've been in more situations where mom came home early.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no you aren't'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'NUH UH'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'interesting, the IRC Undernet is yet alive and running -- unable to locate the Chemosh / Druzil nicks -- there is an ABeLinkSys though'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean.. no you haven't'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no there isn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is a true good.'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no it is not'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wait, we talking about K-Y or Sunoco?'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is a true good....the jews should plant a tree in its honor.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't it sound strange that, how in the aftermath of hurricane sandy , there is looting fighting and massive problems with shortages of water, food and shelter, that elsewhere in the US the feds are persecuting 'preppers', labelling them as extremists'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Alex Jones'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they say that the average car sits idle 90% of the time.  Get that thing making money for you by renting it out at relayrides.com.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you made that up'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, actually, I didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'well someone did'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'relayrides.com is a successful nationwide peer-to-peer rental company based out of San Fransisco.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's referring to not being driven, not to running idle'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote vote romney, bring back the idea of Deseret!  The joining of arizona, utah, colorado, wyoming, montana and oregon and parts of california into 1 large state!'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and idaho'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney has like a 1/5 chance'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US airline carriers earned $36.4 billion from fees in 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A brand new 2015 Dreamliner fully loaded costs $236 million.'
T3/r7/2012-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's like 200 million more than the American Dream stretch limo (imagine 18 wheels on a stretch sedan)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any other oldschool metal lovers out there ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest polls: PA, MI beome tossups, voting irregularities in CO'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ever lost some one you love Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Mahers continues his racist liberal vomit on tv when he warns Romney supporters "Black people know who you are and they will come after you"'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'frequently, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'posting  the loss of my sister in music link'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happened to her?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'drunk driver - wrong  side of the road - Alison on motorcycle - killed '
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh, sorry to hear that dude'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'listen to the link '
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'dudette, and am also very sorry'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again listen to the link '
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DS3wmldJYw&feature=related'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the wake of Hurricane Sandy have died because of carbon monoxide poisoning from generators because they had foolishly used them indoors'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some residents of Sweden have moved to Finland because of Sweden's ban on homeschooling passed in 2010. People are leaving Germany for the same reson'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how is price gouging "illegal" during these storms, but business like title pawns are allowed to operate?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Moore is walking sack of lard'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Flip agrees!
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could be the answer to USA's energy needs'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does anything ever come from his mouth other vitriol, bile, and hate?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'Crumbs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Soros think tank recommends big cuts to military benefits'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, Soros comes from the same cloth of Henry Kissenger who things the american military are dumb animals to be thrown away as required'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'An early voting event in Ohio for Obama, fronted by Stevie Wonder singing live attracts just 200 peopel....'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to find some good news for you'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'here's some good news, i woke up and i'm still american'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China promises to phase out harvesting of organs from executed prisoners'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governts around the world are demanding the return of gold being held in foreign banks'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That seems like a waste...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now, if they would promise to stop killing people, that would be a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china is the model for democracy around the world these days'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, China is not a democracy. No democracy would execute people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it would'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing stopping a democracy killing people'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would not call that a democracy. I call that a police state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'killing people has nothing to do with being a democracy. just don't reelect the people killing you'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sadly, there's a correlation between killing people and a police state, but a democracy that isn't a police state can still kill people'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone stands on a platform of executing people and they get voted in, that's what happens'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so, i just don't know of any place that has a death penalty that I would call a democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democracy can be 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on who's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just under half the  of the 194 states int eh UN still ahve a death penalty'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making up 66% of the world's population'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably true. Doesn't change my view.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gogo capital punishment!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Most countries that have the death penalty don't apply it in practice any more'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2011  The following 18 countries carried out, or are believed by Amnesty International to have carried out, executions in 2011: Afghanistan (2), Bangladesh (5+), Belarus (2), China (2000+), Egypt (1+), Iran (360+), Iraq (68+), Malaysia (1+), North Korea (30+), Saudi Arabia (82+), Somalia (6), South Sudan (5), Sudan (7+), Syria (1+), UAE (1), USA (43), Vietnam (1+), Yemen (41+).'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'china is beating us there too'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'All third-world countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All perfect examples of countries that I can not consider to be democracies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Um.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There really are no democratic countries.  Plenty of republics.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china wiped out 80odd million of their citizens when western intelligence put mao zadong into powee'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea usa is on ther not all third words'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore, egypt, china, bahrain, belarus, saudi arabia are not third world countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what are the rape stats in south africa?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'You guna status'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'What is a democratic country?  Even if every person votes on every issue, each issue is only a popularity contest.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Why should we hold democracy in such high regard?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'its the glue that binds us'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because it's better than the alternative'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy sucks'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'How is it better?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'better than chaos?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at north korea for your answer!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Having gone complete apeshit, Sonshi compares Aardwolf to Iran and North Korea.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at North Korea for a model that the west is using for their government'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Definitions are always tricky, but one thing that would disqualify a lot of countries is that all citizens should have the same rights. That would disqualify e.g. sweden, since the royal family is outside the law, or the US, because of the patriot act.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Obama were to keel over, they'd expect everyone to line the streets crying, else brand you a racist'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, that line of argument is like saying that there are no good people because no one is a saint.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A democracy is useless unless backed up by a constitution that guarantees inviolable rights and processes'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Which means there is no democracy - because what if the population votes to cancel those rights?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a democratic constitution is only as strong as the people who believe in democratic values...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Constitution or some other binding law or document.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what bit of "inviolable" didn't you get? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the inviolable rights prevents the overreach of government, and protects people from the 2 wolves vs 1 sheep problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pragmatism, i guess you would say'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It protects people from themselves, which isn't democracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The people can cancel democracy if they want. E.g. when the nazis were "voted" into office.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if Germany had a constitution that couldn't be changed at that point, chances are he'd never have done the stuff he did'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until el dictator comes along and cancels the constitution with the full blessing of the people who believe that he's going to restore their rights.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'do you know how stupid our people are? there are people that think because of hurricane sandy the airlines should give them lost wages  and refunds.. our people would drool on themselves if we didnt help them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only because americans are so feckless and lazy that George W, Clinton and Obama have got so far with eviscerating the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they US constitution gave those rights, the patriot act would be illegal. Apparently, it's hard to do that...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'A South American country - I don't recall which - voted to become socialist in the 70s.  The CIA then destroyed their country and put a dictator in place, deeming them "wrong" to have voted that way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did that to Iran in the 1953 too, Cosmo, which lead to the revolution of 1979 which put in the regime they now so hate'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like every country in america... one time or another.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except maybe canada.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Iran tried to socialise?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that many of his actions in seizing power were illegal... it's only that no one could (or wanted to) enforce the law, especially when the previous german govt sucked.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'common story'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you realised that all of the threats from the middle east to America are self-created?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's obvious'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah, we need to build up our military bases we need more army guys over there'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for Iran, here's some history for you:'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Nah, I threw that wiki article up 10 minutes ago. it's a load of shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's the other way around, it's not the middle east that is a threat to the US, it's the US that is a threat to the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? it's all been declassified'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you put a lot of effort into shit that doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'lets say everything you are saying is 100% true. now what'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't matter, ohhhkay'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then carry on repeating the mistakes of history'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't expect to live in a nice world'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dinner!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'we are a nation of repeating mistakes. Obama's policies are the same that prolonged the Great Depression.  Clearly, people haven't learned...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'but he's black, so it's all good for the black americans in this country =)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best part is, now people want romney so that he can repeat phase 2 of the mistakes...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '2 party system is so fair'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the president matters'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least obama did try a small stimulus, so the mistake was only half made'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'Smaller??'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'on what scale?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try upcoming QE'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The united states creates its own problems overseas, otherwise we would be bored.  That is what happens when you are a nation based on fear.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rizgoth: Operation Himmler'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as a percentage of gdp, it should have been at least in line with the size of those countries that emerged from the recession.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more actually, since it was the epicentre'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You make the mistake of thinking economic policy is to alleviate problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is in saner countries...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't extrapolate that onto the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'QE3?  They're now talking about QE4 and 5.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have more bases in the middle east than we do in Europe now....it is pathetic.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, back home we're actually trying to destroy jobs now, because there are too many...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say we close down at least 80% of our foreign bases.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't make sense to have most of our bases in peaceful countries far from where the troublespots are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then you understand what they're really for'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We created the problems in the middle east because of oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you have managers doing deliveries because of massive labour shortages...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I'm not just talking about his stimulus package. Calvin Coolide, one of the smartest presidents we've had, saw more job growth on his watch, because he didn't meddle in the private sector. Less regulations passed, lowered taxes, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'partly because people would rather be managers than deliverymen...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'this is all pointless.  governments don't create jobs, opportunities, fulfillment, happiness, our anything else that most people strive for... PEOPLE create those things for themselves, through their own efforts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a wise govt would know when to meddle and when not to meddle'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'right, they would. but they don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah, no one ever asks for small business loans, goverment grants or anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem was when governments no longer feared the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and now's the time to meddle'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the middle east isnt so important to the US anymore though....now that foreign imports are only about 35% of our oil supplies now....and dropping fast...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Fans of Ayn Rand, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how is now the time to meddle??'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's actually a pretty simple decision, at a first approximation'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'and what needs to be meddled in?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'liquidity trap? High unemployment? Time to raise aggregate demand'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like un-meddled'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'how do you make people want more?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In another 10 years, only Canada, Brazil and Mexico will be exporting oil to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'everything fine? Low unemployment? Sit back'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'first, they need jobs and money. ow do you make that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Left to themselves, in a capitalist society, corporations become deceitful, corrupt, and immoral, because that gives them more opportunities to make profit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Unemployment very low, massive labour shortages? Cut jobs as best you can'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The joke is that the endgame is the same as any other economic form'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'profit's bad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the biggest fish?  The gummint'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It's therefore necessary for any government presiding over a capitalist country to impose restrictions (labour laws etc) on companies so that they'll only do the moral things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'jobs are easy to create for the govt, after all...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'we're not talking about labor laws, we're talking about policies that restrict job growth'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cosmo, the government regulars are the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Such as minimum wage?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'requiring health care, and raising taxes are two'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'regulators too'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't exactly rocket science to use govt as a sponge, soaking up excess labour when needed, and releasing them into the private sector once private demand picks up'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Man, I don't get you guys.  Why are you so against having healthcare??'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should tie the federal min wage to the inflation rate, and raise it a min of 50 cents a year for the next 4 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when you raise minimum wage, companies are less likely to grant (bigger) raises.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'what excess labor is soaked up?? and where's it supposed to go?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't tie minimum wage to inflation so that they can effectively lower it in real terms without actually passing a law.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'build infrastructure, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of things for people to do'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want to'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like there's nothing that can be improved'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not that they wonder how to accomplish things; they don't want to do it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the unemployment rate, as measured, measures the people who are looking for work'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they wouldn't be counted if they didn't want to work'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'See, in the UK they're smarter than that.  They tie minimum wage to inflation, but they change the way they measure inflation, and most people don't notice.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not quite, Sonshi.  It only measures the people accepting unemployment benefits.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'my point isn't necessarily that we need less government interference (though i do lean that way, but only slightly) my point is we shouldn't wait around for government to fix our lives we have to do it ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're choking out normal equilibrium'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'no, the people getting unemployment checks are counted as the unemployed'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people accepting benefits are a different measure'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Markets don't clear'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they aren't necessarily looking for work, even though doing so (with documentation) is required.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the official measure counts anyone looking for a job, even if they've been out of work for years'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the long term unemployment rate is pretty high in the us now'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of all the conservatives and liberals in congress...and replace them with moderates of each party like it used to be, and just watch out, this country will be humming again...liberalism and conservatism is ruining the country.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Most of that is bunk propaganda - just look at the job market empirically to see'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'In my view, the government's job is to protect its people.  That includes protection from enemies of the state (defense), but also protection from illness (social security) and evil employers (labour laws).  Further interference is unwarranted, but those are necessary.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government's been hijacked by big corporations and simply enables and protects them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'politics are about as important as relgion'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, measures of party extremism have indeed been on the rise for both parties, but the rise for the dems is very small compared to the gop'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Goldman Sachs is the front for the Federal Reserve; the Fed isn't even government, it's a private cartel...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The EPA is all Monsanto'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Nah Gruagach, if I don't believe in God he can't hurt me, if I don't believe in the government they can :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Watch "Idiocracy" - pretty much on point'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'daylight savings in a myth...bring back the darkness.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's an interesting measure, really. They take certain issues, and assign scores based on who votes on which side, and chain the issues through the years to determine who is on which side with regards to the political spectrum'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to vary a bit here and there for the most part, but lately the dems and the gop have both purged their ranks of members of the opposite ideology...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'If you're going to have a two-party system, put the leader of the winners in as president, and the leader of the runner-up as VP'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but there are still large numbers of democrats close to the centre, while centrist republicans have been purged too'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's insane, Cosmogoblin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The two parties often disagree on 90% of all issues.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'big incentive to shoot the guy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, problem is the GOP is all neo-cons, and the liberals are not-so-closet commies'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the VP is a senator.  You're giving the other side a vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Both have moved to their polar extremes'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It's their job to disagree.  You have a binary system, it's only one or the other, and you change every 4 or 8 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would you want a system where if the president dies, a man who holds values the U.S. DID NOT vote for would take over?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And neither represent the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, nearly half of the dems are still centrist...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'how do you measure disagreement, though?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'ideological make up of House and Senate, by deviation from center, http://xkcd.com/1127/large/'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'If you didn't force that issue, things wouldn't be so bad.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they don't have any power now that centrist republicans have disappeared'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If republicans want continued war in Afghanistan with 50k soldiers, and Democrats want continued war in Afghanistan with 48k soldiers and 2k mercs, do they then agree 50%, 98%, 100%? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'You don't vote for the VP, either.  But if you changed the system, you can change that, too.  Have some imagination!  No point making a tiny change when you can change a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US imports about 2 million barres of oil per day from the middle east.  The other 8 million barrels we import come from friends or allies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I actually heard of several such schemes in a few (math) talks before... interesting stuff. You can measure along other alignments other than left-right, and in things other than politics, by similar methods'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OF COURSE you vote for the VP as well. McCain choosing Palin as his running mate in 2008 made quite a few undecided voters decide to vote Obama-Biden without question.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you changed the system, might as well use instant runoff.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Yes, because the system's stupid.  Change it so that the VP doesn't automatically get in if the P dies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think he means separately...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then what the fuck would happen if the president dies?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'If you all vote democrats, the demo VP takes over if the P dies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'strange, the bahamas export 16,000 barrels of oil per day to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A costly, long-winded special election? Who'd lead the nation in the meantime?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Rizgoth ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'has that ever happened? the president wont die'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Or any one of a thousand other ideas.  Seriously, think of the options before you rubbish my idea completely!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'coconut oil? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the presidential mortality goes up after 9 days in office.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'JFK was assassinated, Nixon was forced to leave office or face impeachment. Twice the President has been "incapacitated" in some way, with the VP taking over in modern times.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Belgium exports 79,000 barrels of oil or oil products to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure it happened several times during the first few presidencies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'True, but it's really not that common.  No president in history has been assassinated more than once.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because Presidents aren't fucking cats.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada is up to 3 million barrels per day exported to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK do you get assassinated twice?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think it was a joke...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, now you come to mention it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's just spewing nonsense at this point.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'if they did fuck cats we wouldn't hear about it...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a bunch of high level aq-quaeda leaders that have been killed at least twice'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Osama #1 died in Dubai; doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, Columbia exports not only cocaine to the US, but also 400,000 barrels of oil per day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not really interested in your conspiracy theory bullshit, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with conspiracies, and more to do with the army misreporting'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country doesn't produce any oil, but we sure export a lot of it...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'France exports 52,000 barrels of oil products or oil to the US each day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US Presidents did drugs while in office.  Opium, for example.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, oil is used as a common currency now.....some countries have to much day in and day out, so they use the surplus to export for other things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like danegeld'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, we just have a lot of refineries and industry'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If a country produced gold, and used the gold to buy oil, and ended up with more oil than they needed...they would sell the oil to someone else, like the US, for say wheat.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, being a major port...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not how international trade works...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it does, except not simplified....they use us dollars.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ironically, oil is more a unit of account/store of value/medium of exchange than fiat money'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the extras are sold for dollars which are used to buy the wheat, or gold, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'buying one commodity to purchase another is not what happens. It's a waste of money'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or euros, or whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saeed al-Shihri'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What did my cousin do this time ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anwar al-Awlaki has also died twice'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It's not ironic to use something tangible like oil.  For most of the history of money, it was used to represent real things like goods/favours/services rendered.  It's only the last 800 years or so that money has become more and more arbitrary.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fiat currency is a pretty bad idea, generally'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like since it wasn't backed by anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now, would you want a tangible barrel of oil, or a piece of ever-devaluing (wall)paper'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit, there's an echo'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most people prefer the paper'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fiat currencies usually work for long enough - so that the people behind the idea to become rich/knighted/famous/win a nobel prize..'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on account of it being inconvenient to lug around barrels of crude'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Thank Bernanke for not worrying and coming to love the bomb'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'footballs is starting, i have more important things then to gossip about world leaders, later'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says it all, gruagach, enjoy your partially rigged progandised sport'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget to give them all of your money'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'enjoy the tinfoil hat'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go Texans!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'were even if you are right, you dont matter'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what an unusually illuminating example'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dont forget to buy alex jones water pump'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a brother-in-law that manufacturers water filters, so no need'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm sure you can tell us the difference between a gravity fed silver-based filter and reverse osmosis filter?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'nope, i buy my water in a bottle'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mine's free'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the zombie apocolpyse is really going to get me good'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what brand?  Several brands are just municipal tap rather than something from a spring.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'fiji water'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think this whole election is going to go down to Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing Republicans can do is grant California independance'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree with the Japanese thought of romney....Mr. Romney lacks 'shomin kankaku','
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It takes 5 lbs of sardines to produce 1 lb of farmed salmon....how about just eat the sardines ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sardines evolve into salmon?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sardines are caught to create fish meal to feed farmed fish.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including salmon.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can evolve into anything you want provided you give me enough money'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they only evolve if you use Neptune's Trident on them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and they have to be at least level 20'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NBC's website was hacked for a while today'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hack the Planet!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did the demand naked pictures of bea arthur?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they*'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by someone else, you mean?  They've always been a pretty big hack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA, fearing a Romney victory, plan major post-election anti-coal regulation'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal rules'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  If he wins, he becomes their boss.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Manhattan Institute estimates the greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the US economy $700bn'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal controls are stupid, natgas is replacing coal as the primary power source for the last few years....'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal consumption is down 20% in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, should leave it alone then, just put in cleanness limits for new stations'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what new stations?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They already exist, new plants are extremely clean emission wise.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop legislation hitting them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the old dirty dozen of coal plants in the midwest that produce 40% of the co2 and sulphur dioxide in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mmhmm, but it seems most people think it makes a ton of sense to make it next to impossible to build new ones so we can get rid of them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 production has actually dropped in the US in the last 10 years thanks to increased efficiency in power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to get rid of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as well as from cars'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the need to do away with coal power?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is one of the best sources of stable base power around.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just charge for emissions and let the markets sort it out... they'll find the most cost effective way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and still provides with 48% of the US power supply.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about we don't, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... too many opposed to sound economic policy...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, more taxes and higher power prices....real good economic policy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all too common in the anti-intellectual crowd'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just do the math... deadweight losses are much smaller than other forms of taxation'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're already focused on emissions, so the most cost-effective way is to keep the old plants.  Make it easier to build new ones and we can just get rid of the old ones faster.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The same crap as deregulation.....lets deregulate the power grid, it will become cheaper and more efficient!!  Well, one thing is true...it did become more efficient.....as charging users more money for the power.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a large net benefit to the economy'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a fee for emissions would make it much more economical to swap out old plants. The 10 year costs would be much larger than building a more efficient plant'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before deregulation in Texas, power was around 6 cents kwh, now it is around 12 cents'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and deregulation is often bad policy. Strong regulations are necessary for a free market'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and those regulations include pigouvian taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon taxation and cross subsidy have caused electric prices in the UK to rocket'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but but but, now we can buy wind power.....wow wow wow, and it only costs an additional $5 per 500 kwh blocks of wind energy on top of the regular 12 cents per kwh.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what if prices are higher, if people are richer for it...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't richer for it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't mind paying $10 more for power if my taxes decrease $20'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will take coal at 3 cents kwh anyday of the year.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I always loved the checkbox that lets you request that "your" power be provided by wind...as if they're diverting where the power is coming from to your street'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that hasn't happened'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or my pay increases by that amount, or some combination of that'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can also do solar, but at 18% efficiency we'd have to get rid of all the grass in our lawns to generate enough energy that way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where on earth have you got this crazy idea that higher energy prices means higher wages or less tax?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxes continue to go up, as do the prices ever since deregulation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the money doesn't go into a black hole, you know... govt doesn't collect money to burn it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd refute that, actually, but it's not the point'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the money was burnt on stupid smallscale renewables because of an anal carbon emission target the government signed onto 10 years ago or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'utilties need to be controlled, to prevent capitalism from sticking a pipe in your ass.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's clear when you calculate the deadweight losses of various taxation schemes, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leaves the UK government still spending $4 for every $3 they receive in tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the reasons california is crashing, and some european countries, because they thought renewables was the answer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you guys have a problem with good regulation...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it isnt the answer, and it never will be....it is only part of the solution, not the solution by itself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not renewables, riz, it's what SORT of renewables'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a large estuary with the 2nd highest tidal range in the world that with a barrage would produce as much as 5% of the energy needs of the country'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will they build it? will they bollocks'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'storage and transport is also problematic.  We're on the cusp, but basically battery tech just blows still.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the west has shown itself to be terrible at building free markets lately...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor regulation, taxes where there shouldn't be, no taxes where there should be, not charging for what should be charged...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the corrupt world of politics where the globalist hold all the power'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'says the guy who opposes charging for emissions...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree at a fundamental level with public-targetted property taxes, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our anti-congestion scheme back home is a good example of charging for stuff that should be charged...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at our govt budget, it provides a significant fraction of our revenues too!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your country is tiny'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'soz yers }:>'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the streets are too'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i can reach out my arms and touch both sides'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the dynamics are different for small population countries to large'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're talking about ratios here, so the size of the country isn't that relevant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt it's different again for city states to island kingdoms to large land blocks'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for many things it is. i recall a discussion here about why it costs rural areas more to run services than city areas'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point is that if you have a significant revenue source, it enables lower taxes elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether the country is large or tiny, that doesn't change'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, but when your governments are run by globalists, they are not going to tax things that harm profit margins for their involved cliche'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod tiger, and that's why comparing things like ubiquitous broadband in the US vs nearly all other places is bad ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's because too many fools panic over the higher prices of power should we begin to charge for emissions...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they only see the higher prices, and fail to see the large monetary benefits'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer a less regressive tax policy'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a way to make this a very progressive scheme...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take the money, split it, and give everyone the some same.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err same amount'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of taking money away from people then giving them back the same amount?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like tax credits all over again'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the point is to reduce activity which results in negative externalities'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we sentenced more people to community service for their crimes, we would have a better world.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one might note that keeping people over the poverty line reduces crime, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be done by regulating the emissions on future plants'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regulating the emissions gives a lot more opportunities for corruption than charging them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's waffle'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and grasping at straws'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you impose a levy, there's an incentive to find a less polluting method'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just regulating imposes a sharp cliff'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no incentive to improve beyond the regulation'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's your pet policy, i can't sign onto it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people are more likely to cheat, since there's a discontinuity'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'viewing benefits as a potential, what you have a a potential cliff vs a gradient'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll not be financial transaction tax for much the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally a wall is not as good as a force distributed throughout the continuum'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i don't disagree with a financial transaction tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... I haven't analysed the benefits of a financial transactions tax, but to a first approximation, it doesn't look like a great benefit...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't qualify as pigouvian'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think it would be better just to outlaw derivatives'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'negative externalities tend to result only from people not understanding certain types of transactions. Plain old regulation can help to address that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, however sensible, won't happen - they're the ones running it. Quite literally in Europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it might not help that our leaders sometimes like to lecture them on how to run things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I bet they aren't pleased that an ex-colony is looking down their nose and trying to tell them the right way to do things!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's our job, dammit!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, when they get into a big enough mess, they'll listen to reason, I bet'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they don't destroy themselves first...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us isn't in a position to lecture on economics these days!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll take everyone down with them'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we've diversified, and china's trade surplus is closing...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a small financial transaction tax might be a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'would kill 99% of algos :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'taxes in the range 0.01-0.1% of transaction value'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPR6zeoDcZY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't think europe will take asia down with it, unless they really screw up. Worse than I expect, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riversong: 'off'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just type the name of a channel to toggle it on/off (so just type "debate")'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '5ys of zero growth in Europe will slow down growth elsewhere, certainly'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zero growth is a good scenario'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'overall not unrealistic, I think'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given their austerity policies, zero real growth for 5 years would be a decent outcome.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you also have to add in all sorts of effective money printing :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are, however, nightmarish scenarios...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'salami slice austerity never works'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either retrench completely, or you don't do it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the austerity being mostly automatic (from reduced economic activity) rather than gov't spending cuts'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'austerity could intensify, and mass rioting could cause some to break apart... in the worse case scenario.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil unrest, Sonshi? that sounds like scaremongering to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they might find that if they keep tightening the screws like that, it might turn out worse than if they'd just nationalised stuff, defaulted, and reprivatised.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fact that there's already civil unrest in greece and spain notwithstanding, you say there'll be civil unrest they'll just brand you a kook, or an extremist'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The new year is going to be interesting in the US....the fiscal decision will need to be made, or mandatory custs of 20% will be instituted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if obama gets in, then that decision will not be made'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so 20% cuts it will be'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure that'll make him look pallatable to his baying hoards of welfare voters'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps voting should be compulsory'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'allow people to vote online.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, in person and in blood'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Yeah, just put a capcha on it.  Those work so well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They do early voting in Texas for 2 weeks before the normal election, but the lines are still super long'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be worse than those faulty touchscreen voting machines that pick the wrong candidate for you'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'My line wasn't long, walked right in and right out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, the ones that are made by a company now part owned by the Romney family....'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but you don't live in Florida, Styx.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'No, I live in Texas, where he said his line was long.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeb Bush said it won't be many years before Texas goes democrat because of the large demographic shift there'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'We will see this year, but I think we are on the verge of swinging. Or at least becoming a battleground of some sort.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best they declare independence before that happens'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Texas swinging?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THIS year?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, seriously, how could you POSSIBLY think that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no, in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but the near future.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2026 or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Next 10 to 15 years yes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Texas is one of the most solidly red states in the nation, as far as I know. It won't be swinging for the next GENERATION.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'You are wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'put all texas polls in deep ellum...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, you know, the Republican candidate is exposed as some kind of huge crook with irrefutable evidence, like he once murdered someone or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'There is a large swing to blue here.  If it continues at the same trend, it won't take 10 years before we are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm wrong? McCain-Palin got 55.4% of the popular vote in Texas in 2008.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'McCain-PALIN.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, that looks like barely a majority to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The River Styx seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama got 43.6%'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'McCain won by over 10%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a dream ticket that was'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just over 10 points, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but its just over a 5 point swing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Remember, this was McCain-PALIN.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bush got about 60% there both times'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you say that like it matters who, in a discussion over red/blue'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Thats because he's from Texas.  Expected.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good point...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all contradicting each other, have fun :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'need to go further back, sigh'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't be much of a debate if everyone was agreeing with each other, would it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least they were a bit saner this year. Romney won the Texas primary by a huge margin, over his more rightwing opponents (of course, Romney went on to jump on the rightwing bandwagon).'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the farther back you go the redder it gets.  I'm just saying, watch on tuesday.  We WILL be red, but its getting closer and closer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The last time a Democrat won Texas was Jimmy Carter in 1976.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dole got under 50% in 1996, with a 5% margin over clinton...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With less than 100,000 votes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'margin was 3+% in 1992...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the population of Texas is going to double in the next 25 years, no chance in hell that it will stay conservative republican....it is becoming more moderate...which is good.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Closer and closer? Depends on the election. Bush got close to double Kerry's votes in 2004.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Yes, tons of tech transplants are coming into Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many electorals did mondale/ferraro get total for 84?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dunno, but they got 1,949,276 votes vs. 3,433,428.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, they got one state'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to the US census, the population of Texas went up almost 50% in the last 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and DC'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the heck did Texas become so Red, anyway? They always voted for the Democrat candidate up 'til 1920. Then they went on to return to voting for the Democrat candidate again in 1924, 1932-1948, 1960-1964, 1986.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And then WHAM, Republicans ALL the way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the largest increase was in hispanic people which is a little over 50% of the population now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Change my question to "Why")'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'If Tx goes blue, repubs might as well not even try. (Assuming other battlegrounds stay the same.)'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the dems and republicans switched sides on some issues at some point'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember that the republicans were the anti-slavery ones a long time ago...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they keep the names, but parties don't always resemble the one at its founding...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'conservatives hijacked the republican party in the 90s.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the republican party has been moderate for most of its history.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not most of my history alive. Which why I hate them with a passion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, one measure of extremism... http://www.xkcd.com/1127/'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, that measure also shows a rise in extremism prior to the great depression, which swept moderates into power later.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'didn't last long.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Should demographic changes greatly favour one party, you can pretty much bet that after a couple of consecutive election losses, the other party will change it's positions to capture voters near wherever the middle happens to be'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like, say, labour parties did in Europe some years ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally yes...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'democracy at work!'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering 3 supreme court justices will most likely retire during the next presidential term....I would rather obama pick them than a highly conservative republican.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not just the sc... the circuits are already heavily conservative...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if romney fills in those slots that obama has been unable to fill... they'll be overwhelmingly conservative for a generation'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, 1928 was the last year the republican party won the white house without a bush or nixon on the ticket'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have to say it's a great tactic to block or threaten to block necessary appointments, when voters don't punish you for that kind of petty treason...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about reagan ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'reagon had a bush on the ticket...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'reagan*'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reagan had a bush as vp'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bushsr doesnt count'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, his statement counts it'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what part of "a bush or nixon" don't you understand? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jeb bush 2016'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it is probably more accurate to give credit for all the 1980s wins to Reagan'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, since reagan was pres from 80 to 88, umm, duh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody was "giving credit" to anyone for any period of time'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure you can find a way to reelect Jarrett in 2016'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sarah palin/jeb bush ticket 2016 !'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'maybe get nixon's kid to run on the "I'm not my dad" ticket'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 20 years there will be 50,000 wells or so drilled in the Bakken formation shale oil field of north dakota and montana.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 20 year boomtown in western north dakota.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably another 25k to 50k drilled in west and south texas shale oil fields......in the next 25 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies are finding oil and natgas at every location drilled on the bakken.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies are also finding oil in old stripper wells that were abandoned over 30 years ago.....the permian basin in west texas is refilling with oil from the oil shale fields.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of new oil fields are being found around old oil fields in west and central Texas.....many of the extended wells producing oil and gas under its own high pressure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years, most of not all of the water used to frack wells in Texas will be recycled to frack more wells.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most if not all...'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '106 coal power plants have been shutdown, or will be shutdown soon since 2010.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of those plants will be replaced with cleaner natgas turbines.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Broker: '10'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota needs to use some of that massive budget surplus to build up the infrastructure in the northwestern north dakota area....'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the heck says "Ahnt" vs. "Ant"? Basically just the same pronounciation, only the "Ahnt" one is slightly more nasal or something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'do you mean Aunt or ant?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan. Go to Gametalk for full convo.'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they sound the same from my mouth'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's wrong with "[carbonated] soft drink"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'lets keep it peaceful. just over a day away. Taking my own poll and not one of thos bias poll takers. Obama or Romney? What say you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big buisiness .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: '1-1'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'anyone else'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Kuwait erupts in anti-establishment protests as government changes voting rules to make it easier for the encumbent party to stay in power. Protestors blame America for backing up unelected monarchies throughout the gulf states'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Mahers spouts more race-baiting hate speech on television. Is ignored by authorities'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece erupts in massive protests following Prime Ministers admission: "We couldn't renegotiate the loan repayments, we were dictated to by the troika"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone needs to annex Greece - basket case imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need to leave the EU and devalue first'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'devalue and get back to what they do best'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh corruption is the problem - no internal force can deal with it - and leaving the EU is a precedent noone wants - so bring greece to its knees within the EU and then palm administration onto "The EU" imo - the start of centralist governance for the EU '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we know that's the EU plan'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called globalism, world government, a new world order. The elite have been talking about doing it for decades - now it's actually happening people stick their head in the sand and say it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, reptiloids and all that'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is run by reptiloids?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'something constructive Dagn ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just trying to back up nuts'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, dagnir, people like Yuna and Gruagach don't understand at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, your conspiracy theory is bollocks'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? tell that to Greece'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to Italy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'two things - conflicting interests mixed with incompetence '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell it to Ireland'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell it to Portugal'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about to happen to Spain'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, sure, but it's not an illuminati/reptiloid conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said it was, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bunch of elite who want a united states of europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has always been their plan. On record'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not a bad idea imho'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'transfer the power then remove the sovereignty, just like what has been going on in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece - reliant on hand outs - will not leave the EU - wil have to bow to funding - how the locals will take it - ? interesting - organized crime has already moved on imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho we should have western and eastern or northern and southern eu'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask people who've lived under for Russian satellite communist states in Europe how much they liked that'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mate the east calls the shots already .. the west has lost '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no need. my country was occupied by the soviet union for 60 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then ask your grandparents what it was like'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem here is that we are living under capitalism oligarchy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't want you telling me what it was like'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not telling you, i'm asking you to ask them'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'we are moving backward away from a civil and democratic society, toward one run my corporations'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in all cases as long as ppl get 3 squares a day n TV you  can do what you like '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're implying that you know it better than me'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet you think it's fine for those of us who DONT want to live under something like that that we MUST'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's not an attractive future'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my grandparents generation fought a world war to prevent stuff like this'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy you are a terrrist nodays mate - welcome to the price of free thinking '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and my grandparents have no reason to be greatful'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there exists division, then all the more reason not to force everyone to live under one roof'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's huge desire to leave the EU in the UK but the establishment won't allow a vote because they know what the result will be'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'uk can't decide if it wants to be a state of the US or EU'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tries to be both'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it can decide'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the british isolationism will disapate in a gereration '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can decide quite happily, but the ruling elite disagree with the population, hence the weird halfway situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both are hitched to slow horses - the left has hamgstrung the west in terms or comparative advantage - the east has no such qualms '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'we cannot isolate ourselves -- we are controlled by the global corporpations -- pulling out of the EU would not change this -- if anything it would make the situation worse'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for the west to pull themselves out of this they need to revery back to some form of non democracy because idiots vote '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global corporations are a different issue, this is an issue of government being by the people for the people, answerable to the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'a government by the people, for the people, is meaningless if the only job of government is to do what the corporations tell them'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't do what the corps tell them'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you have to, otherwise the corporations screw up your economy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the problem is with party politics, didn't George Washington himself say that political parties were a threat to democracy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that can be prevented'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this is what happend in most of eastern europe, the "tiger" economonies and now western europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's government's job to keep them in check, not the other way. If you get to a situation where corps are too powerful, then government has failed'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what? governments have failed'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the ly of the land is thus imo - advertisment works - it costs money - ppl with vested interests buy a party advertising and it works so they are elected - so much for democracy - agaionst - this is what works - this is how we have to do it in the short term to win the east/west dollar war - not hamstrung buy idiots that are swayed by advertising and have a say in a military excersise '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i guess it's fun watching certain people vote themselves into poverty and extinction'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol that rant was brought to you by fill in the blanks .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sad if you are patriotic '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure there'll be some more arabian countries to destabilise and blow up innocent people to keep people's minds off domestic issues for a while longer'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so will you be voting for warmongering bankster-employed puppet a or warmongering bankster-emploed puppet b, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the extended Arab Spring has bought the west a reprive in a way - destabilized isolationist economies and opened it up to the west in general - pity most of the value adding and margin for western products is done in the east '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean they've found some more victims to exploit?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy is a dollar a vote - I will be modifying my buying patterns accordingly '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep and more ground lost to the east as they perpetuate an external value added sysatem '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll inevitably a confrontation with russia and china'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah they want the bodies - lol soz -  consumers , in the west and have similar reigons and comparative advantage - ... militarily - what would you do ? my enimies enemy is my friend - for now '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ironic that Michael Moore, the self propelled stomach professes to hate capitalism and the free market system, yet made $120m using that same system'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia will side with china, india will probably side with china'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'props to him - we are in a landscape without saints -  everything is a spin job - concentrate on ur sphere of influence and plan accordingly '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep emerging economies will side together - goegraphy alone dictates this '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if romney wins, it will cost Paddy Power Ltd a fortune'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they lost $30mn when they paid out early on a Tiger Woods win a few years back (and Tiger Woods lost, so they had to pay out both ways)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we both know that over listening of the average western idiot is to blame - not the figurehead - the system is flawed '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shall we let them rot then, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best get your "don't tread on me" flag out'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is an apptitude test for my bunker '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'flag ? I have a "don't tread on me semi auto rifle and a few other toys  that all have the same mantra '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, i can't have that, defending yourself is illegal in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'same in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to own property here, either'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't know that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't own property here, if you buy a property, you have to pay rent to the government'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you cannot buy land in the UK ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy it, but you won't own it'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I will have to pay rates here for the land being serviced by the council - ironically I was just employed by our local council '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not rent, that's taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's rent'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have a rent contract?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contractual obligation was brought up in a court case about non-payment. Apparently the contract is implicit'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No I (dad) will buy the place outright but I'll still have to pay for water sewerage rubbish removal '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, you can call it rent, if you want to, but I would call that a tax.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that particular court case because the person in the dock had already at one time paid it, his one-time payment was considered implicit acceptance of the contract'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a tax because if you don't pay it, you get thrown in jail and they confiscate the property'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I call it monies outgoing - QED '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not based on earnings or consumption'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot be avoided or opted out of'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is based on size of property here '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, shouldn't you be doing something useful? like work or something?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'day off, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you even have a job?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your excuse? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's how property taxes works pretty much everywhere, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i stand against them, ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now, that's a totally different issue.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IO ! I have never worked for a wage in my life - first day today - never say not working is a bad thing unless you draw on the public coffers to do so imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok redefine stances ? pls '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n Craig - roleplaying ... actually ask me if you want to interact with me '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'goss - roleplay - deb roleplay- roleplay - roleplay - pattern emerging ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz guys '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to it ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we agree, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thus a deb is formed ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'first speaker for the affermative ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to debate someone when their only retort is "you're a conspiracy nut"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you get conspiracy - I'm just a nut '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cracked at that - Prozac superglue :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still amused by Gruagach, told me i was a liar when i said that USA/UK masterminded the overthrow of a legitimately elected SECULAR socialist government in Iran in the 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then when i posted links and he saw I was correct, he just said i was a conspiracy nut and wore a tin foil hat'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made my day :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unsure about that tbh - imo energy spent in gainful pursuits is a good life ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'did you breed yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you Tiggy '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sir, too many people in the world, i'll adopt if anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I will breed - I want my genes in the world - if you value yours you will too imo - thatsa who we need to be telling the truth to '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and Ma'am pls if you want to get formal on me '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'do you really value your genes? I mean, it wasn't that long ago that you wouldn't even have heart of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think "being a sheep" is genetic, it's about conditioning'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tigernuts, definiately the species you are part of is genetic'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand your reasoning, i don't agree with it'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if the neo-cons get their way and start wiping out large swathes of people with wars, i might change my mind'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'popular nurture over nature deb is currently 25% nature n 75% nurture I love my race and I want to perpetuate it - even if the act itself is distasteful to me - I like girls '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'will prob go IVF with a selected donor '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'neo-con ? explain ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is a neo-con ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neo-conservative'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neo-fascist conservative'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know I am roughly a neo nazi ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'less hate for others more love to my own race tho '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps neo nazi is too stronger a term '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I suffer from labels too '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate st'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - explain ? soz fer being dumb'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's history on the term on wiki, but in a nutshell they support "nation building" by blowing the shit out of countries in the world in order to steal their resources'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''democracy at gunpoint''
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evil twin to communism'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very very very much alike'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just replace the communist party with a inner circle of huge corporate interests, then you've essentially got the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we get over democracy as a term ? it is a herd manipulation - the original idea is dead '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always said that democracy works only within small populations'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo a benevolent dictatorship is much prefered - the relatve comfort a modern society affords and the spin it employs are th reason they don't revolt '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe in supporting the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'grr Tiggy - you know better than that - :"I don't" what .. pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ok what is ur alternative ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'localism'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the first step, you return all power that it is reasonable to do back to country level (EU) or state level (US)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'inefficient - global localisim ? we are nuked back to the dark ages ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second step return all power that is feasible to local level (county - US, UK)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's inefficient?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not taking advantage of comparitive advantage '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is inefficient imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is inefficient? services are provided at a local level anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that needs to be handled nationally is foreign policy and defence'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the next county over I can mine lead and not have to test my workers for lead levels - that happened because they had a less effictive union and struck a worse agreement with the powers that be - I save money mining there rather than here - mining in China rather than Oz or the US '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you get competition, what's wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'What about environmental regulation? Since, you know, pollution doesn't respect state boundaries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a wide umbrella, probably done at a state (US) or nation (EU) level'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we test for lead levels in workers for a reason .. and the same for pollution etc - as above so below - as we poison a worker so we poison an environment - yet in some countries they have to pay for this form of regullation in others not - margins show this '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy you know this stuff '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were localising, you'd start with a uniform policy and then local governments could tweak it accordingly. It's unlikely that a local government will start polluting, more likely they'll either be more pragmatic or more protective'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'I have to agree the government is unlikely to start polluting, however the company that owns the local government is quite likely.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate local industry is already competing with a global supply/demand chain - a county that did this would just price themselves outta the market and the county ends up with high unemployment - high drug abuse rates and low life/social skills .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then enforce the rules'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't understand what you're getting at, tzad, in this hypothetical situation, nothing has changed yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the environmental protection policy is correct, nothing will change'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nuke China because they don't enforce environmental controls ? - too late - '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china hasnt really got anything to do with localism :=)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this is happening Now - has been happening for a few decades - and the damn lefties didn't go global to enforce common sense after WWII and thus the decline of the west - imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lefties aren't terribly interested in that, they're more interested in destroying the west rather than stopping China from doing so'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we live in a global economy - China is the powerhouse - everything involves China imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a head-in-the-sand mentality with regards to china'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'I'm not sure I understand you correclty, but there are plenty of issues worthy of federal government oversight besides foreign policy and national defence. I'll leave it at that I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheap stuff from China meant they were happy to live on the never-never for 20 years without considering the implications'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there are, elxi'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt that at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the direction of travel both in the US and the EU the last 20 years has been the other way, and that leads to division'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'education Elix is one area the west does not do well in compared to say the scanavian countries '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'education is a good area where national meddling has ruined the system in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'become so heavily beurocratic, specific, and targets-driven that standards have fallen'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been far better to set some basic standards and recognised qualifactions at a national level, then let local adminstration deal with ALL THE REST'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and not dictate stupid things like telling kids what they're allowed to eat, and banning home-packed lunches'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in Oz we lumber under an umemployable class that do nothing more than keep gov agiencies employed and inflation down imo - not trally up on long term fiscal ripples '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue here with the unemployable class is cost of living'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost of living has become so high because of political mismanagement over a number of decades that those employed with basic salaries are no better off, and often worse off than those living off welfare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'here is just 3-4 generations of welfare dependancy - kill em all I say '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send 'em all to the front, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i agree with that, they're as much victims as anything, they just don't realise it'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - to the wall - have to arm em if we send em to the front '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'getting a lil pissy n hateful atm but if there was something quicker than AIDS it may be a good thing for the planet ... '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps alot pisst n hateful - I don't do things by halves '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think some haters on here would like to think i'm hateful, but i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps there should be a hater social'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'about this time of night Vixxy usually tucks me in n all is right with the world and I am less hateful .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you white ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more of a slightly inflamed red colour'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL wanna be a knight of hate ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is a waste of energy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'expressed internally I agree - vice versa - .. ur call '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is an expression of ones failure to come to terms with something'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the low level of functionallity of 90% of the human race , better to get something from them than nothing ? personally , Yes I agree but .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What time do the first precinct report their votes tomorrow?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'something Gaia has taught me - reciprocity and alturism are best in the long term '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be wednesday for me, really'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I cultivate these ethical traits abouve all else - Gaia is ALL imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, unlike some, i support your right to believe in whatever you want'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unlike most I retain the tools to do so in the face of legal opposition '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pry it from my cold dead fist !'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never had the tools'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal here'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan to Televangelicals: Ryan added that Obama's vision was "a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty and compromises those values -- those Judeo-Christian, Western civilization values that made us a great and exceptional nation in the first place."'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah here too ...... '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know I live in Oz not the US Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know the Judeo-Christian Bible preached small government and liberty for all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find he was referring to the seperation of church and state that is enshrined in the first ammendment, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we share the same laws  with respect to tools . '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Bible preaches whatever you want it to preach'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except he fucking isn't.-'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though outside of a religious context, he was entirely right'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's talking about how Obama's working to separate church and state TOO MUCH.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Crowley "twist it till it fits, the curse of the average occult student is gulability" - words that speak to us all imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if he said that, he's got it upside down'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It''
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Paul fucking Romney. He lies on a daily basis.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Paul Ryan is a brown-tongue, he'll say what he needs to say'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He thinks Obamacare is encroaching on religious rights because there's a contraception clause in it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same as preventing churches from selecting workers based on religion'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except it fucking isn't. There's a provision that allows churches to opt out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really should be an opt-in, not an opt-out'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the FUCK would opt in when it costs them more money?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then question it's validitiy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? Because greedy assholes love money? What kind of logic is that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with the NHS offering abortions too'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh it does not matter who you vote for - you cannot vote for business ... this form of democracy is like being so busy grabbing ur ankles you fail to realise what ur posyerier indicates .. thats putting it nicely - modern democracy is a farce - the real power is in the dollar .. imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, then there's no help for you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contraception, fine, in fact it should be promoted far more than it is now'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, seriously, I'm sick and tired of this "Judeo-Christian values are being threatened" bullshit. Just because your book says something, it doesn't mean it's an encroachment on your rights because the law says something different.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer to see free contraception rather than free abortion'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your book also says to kill anyone who tries to convert you to a faith that isn't yours. I don't see it being legal to kill Mormons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'free both imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NHS healthcare isn't free, most of all not abortion. Stop fucking lying.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right there'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaand nobody claimed it was.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So stop lying and then strawmanning.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you Paul Ryan's son? You seem incapable of speaking the truth for more than 10 minutes straight.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuo should chill out, you're going to give yourself an aneurism'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just got caught lying and defended yourself with claiming I'd woken up on the wrong side of the bed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'politics is suddenly relavent because of healthcare ? ... hmm '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tzadkiel, both me and Tigernuts live in countries with socialized healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love mine, he hates his.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be better to describe it as corporate-welfarised healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'profits are privatised, the costs and risks nationalised'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both systems are better than the present US system imo but none even come close to the french system '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you even know how the Swedish system works?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was a description of the UK system'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no knowledge of the Swedish system'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking to Tzadkiel.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is based on very high taxes '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no knowledge of the French system, i do know about the US system though'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See, or taxes aren't that horrible. And we make MORE to make up for it, so what we get to keep after taxes isn't much smaller than what most other countries' average workers get.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And most of those taxes do NOT go into healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some of the highest taxed personal income brackest in the OECD and yes education in scandanavian countries is tha Bomb too ! - better a benevolent dictatorship than a free markeket economy - I agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'France spends 11.2% of their GDP on nationalized healthcare, Sweden only 9%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course it's great. It's fucking free.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the figures for UK are screwed because they exclude "social protection", and of course, it's restricted scope, and not actually free anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All the fucking way. Uni used to cost, like, 40 bucks a semester. Now it's absolutely free.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we all leaving for Sweden on the next visa run ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want beer that is $10 a pint, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or is that Norway?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Depends, are you in a swanky bar?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't drink in bars, so I don't really know how much beers costs in bars.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But 33 cl beers cost, like, 3 bucks in the supermarket.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so grow up in Sweden - make business in China and get sick n die in Sweden - sounds like a plan ! I love globalisation !'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for how many?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's hard to tell because of the way the figures are prepared, but it looks like in 2010/11 the UK government spent 27% of it's income on healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For 1, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that'llchange with the baby boomer glut coming up to sickness time - isn't that soon ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$3 for a coke-can sized beer? and that isn't expensive?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not 10 bucks a pint.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a SUPERMARKET'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supermarket beer is actually one of the few things in the UK that has been inflation-proof the last 10 years. Pub beer hasn't fared so well'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, I misspoke. It's 2 bucks for 33 cl.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically looking at $5 a pint in a pub. $10 will get you a crate of 12 33cl'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then, there's also 500 ml (1 pint+) beer for 2 bucks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SO it depends on the brand and where you buy your beer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around christmas you also can get 24x 500ml cans for $15'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get a carton of beer here 30 cans for 45 dollars - but the bottle of bubbles - Moet - cost me 70 - n really did a number on my head too - was wierd - has to do a whole heap of vodka to get back to normal '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supermarkets tend to turn them as loss leaders'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd split the duty paid of alcohol here to reduce the duty on draft served in pubs and increase it on supermarket beer. It would help pubs and help against home-alcoholism'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Oz loss leader .. beer ... very low margain but almost a duopoly in supermarkets n brewers - they don't need to - is more based on brand loyalty with beer '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the Hell is pub alcoholism better?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pubs don't serve drunk people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't mean you can't get drunk in pubs. They just stop once you're actually drunk.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'more chance of a social loss violence event at a pub :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless, pubs encourage responsible drinking'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Oz pubs encourage excessive drinking '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and social drinking'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pubs encourage drunk fucking driving.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... drinking in pubs vs. drinking at home.-'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which one is more likely to produce a drunk driver?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you may as well say alcohol encourages drunk driving'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say even possibly the home drinking is more likely to, since alcoholics tend to drink ALL day'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in Oz cities they bust both ends of a pub strip regularly with drink drivers - incidence is really low - rural and small towns  - is a diff story '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'and driving encourages drunk driving'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's strange how few alcoholics there are in Sweden and how few cases of drunk driving we have. How very strange...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'cos it's so expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's marginally more expensive than in other European countries that aren't Britain.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or, you know, borderline developing countries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Alcholism is a more closely related to poverty than to price'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as an Ex drunk driver - Starl gave me a serve one day after I'd been down  a few back roads to the bottlo n back - I don't do it anymore  just stockpile the stuff at home now - plan for a month or so in advance '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drink driving is rare here'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have among the safest roads in the world'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where I came from - central Oz - the blacks would regularly blow .2-.3 unregistered car - no ticket etc - come from a lawless place into there where they can drink - go overboard n ... disappear back out bush ... '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just requires a bit of common sense and pragmatism'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'steering people in the right direction without clamping down so hard that peoples balls fall off'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think the UK policy on drink driving is probably a little too strong, but not by too much'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Most people DON'T have common sense.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a lot of offences that don't need to exist because other laws already cover them'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah fuck it - let ppl in remote communities drink - let them get the full wieght of  "self determination" and deal with it - save the community kicking the fuckups out and into white towns and overloading the pigs in town - all on taxpayers dollars - they are unemployable '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prime example is "drinking while over the prescribe drink drive limit", it already covered by "drinking while unfit due to drink or drugs"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"causing death by dangerous driving" is covered by "manslaughter"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vehicular manslaughter'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the vehicular bit is irrelevent, consider it a weapon'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hows welfare in the UK ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what way?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare in the uk has a tendency to ill-protect those who need protecting, while encouraging those with no intention of working for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this is entirely true'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's insanely complex, ill fitting, and beset by all manner of problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'just not very much of a tendency to do this'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they call it "sit down money" in central Oz - unemployable ppl not training and breeding recipients of tax payers money to perpetuate thier lifrestyle - same there ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, it's been an "in-joke" for decades that if you're a 16yr old girl without an acamedic background, the school careers adviser would advise "get pregnant - you'll get a free apartment and more than enough money to live on"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the welfare extends to people who don't need it - we spend $10bn a year handing back tax money to workers in the form of "tax credits"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I spent a year on the dole once'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'support mandatory birth control for welfare recipients ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it was pretty good actually'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole tax/welfare system is set up to benefit the ultra rich and the ultra poor. IN the middle, unmarried childless workers get completely screwed'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I would like that, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think birth control should be mandatory for welfare recipients'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could make a case for disabled people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(case against it)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't really solve the long term issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as would I - in the mean time lets catch the ones we can and make soylent green to feed the rest of em - just RU-$*^ soylent green ... I see inflation rising :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really need to deal with the underlying problems before you can do anything about welfare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'absolutely, the sooner we have stronger workers rights and a dynamic union movement, the sooner we can make it more attractive to be in work than not'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to address housing too, swalec, a large council-house building program could be used to manipulate the housing and rental markets DOWN in exactly the same way that the mortgage bubble, derivatives and council-house sell-off in the 80s drove the housing market and rental prices up'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo any union rights need to be global .. ref to the comparative advantage deb of a few hours ago .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and would be far better to piss away $50bn on social housing than a crackpot highspeed raillink that only the 1% will ever use'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are not within the scope of government, tzad, so you could have global unions without requiring global government'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just saying the two are not incompatible'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Falungong- China - social activities are highly regulated in certain countries .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are becoming so here too'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's all starting with speech'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Facebook's selecting implementation of a ban on political speech'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selective policing of 'tweets''
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have more hope in the 1% to motivate the 99% than I '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selective clampdowns on protest'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Tigernuts, the problem of unions without government is that the corporations that do most of the employment just persecute everyone involved'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need to address the government issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'solidarity .. etc etc '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, international government'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can never influence international government'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'global democracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'UN - ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(i don't think Swalec's been listening)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does China have strong trade unions?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cut the bloke some slack - we are far from writting our manifesto :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ironically was borne of Mao - the reform of China was a socialist movement '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if china doesn't have strong workers rights, then an international government will not have strong workers rights. Democracy is 2 wolves and sheep voting on who is for dinner. The USA isn't half the world's population. The entire NATO backed west is not half the world's population. The rest of the world doesn't share the same views'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so nuke em now while we have a chance at superiority :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's Romney's plan, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't fault it on paper - can't see such an inefficient machine as the US doing it tho '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go and give the Eugenicists ideas, nuking china would give them 20% or so of their population reduction target'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I support Eugenics '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really ought not to'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I get the joke tho '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some want to achieve it through war, some (like Mr Gates) wants to do it by rendering Africans infertile'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I dont want Mongolisim to spread - nor welfare dependance  - so staralize em while recieving tax dollars imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather build them up, not knock them down'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'birth rates drop when a population becomes educated, free, and wealthy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'humans have reached locust numbers and demand  even more in resources - frag it - lets be selective '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unfortunately the selective process will involve the same institions that brought us the problem ..  enter stage left - terorism -- anti establishment '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have grown progressively intoxicated over the last hour or so - am I still making sense ? even if you do not agree with me ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your hitler moustache has been showing, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I said I was a Neo Nazi - with more love n less hate '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you support nuking China, I doubt most Chinese people wanted the west to install Mao Zedong in 1949'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol nuke is such an ugly word - and I have read - I still have the little red book - is interesting - like leftist koans - I don't really wanna nuke anyone - racially selective boi warfare leaves the planet so much better off imo - see - I am a greenie !'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the green movement got co-opted by the liberals, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the whole 'global warming' fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm orf for a swim and to fit a new gfx card'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoy your beer'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cheers !'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'orf .. must be cultural .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, public transport in Baltimore now has microphones to record the conversations of the public'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I feel safer already'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you just :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been happening in the UK in taxis for years. we also have more cctv cameras than people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in addition, the police can track cars throughout 95% of the main road network through automatic numberplate recognition equipped cameras'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the underclass riots after tomorrow, make sure you've got popcorn'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and a shotgun)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Honestly folks, here in the US its just about turnout. I've read so many polls and their sampling and have determined that the line is: 36 DEM and 34 REP. If that holds true, its a dead tie. If it changes one way or the other, we'll know who will win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '(This is an opinion)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be interested to see what the third party effect is'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '36/34?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK could that be true?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, the rest being independent.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'language, Timothy'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean as in "Will never vote for the other side".'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, no, no, I mean turnout percentages of the voters.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think democrats will have a higher turnout?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Consider this poll in Michigan: 47-46 Romney. But, look at the PDF attached, they sampled 42/36 DEM/REP. (link coming)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard a lot of talk that their turnout will be lower'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/link/597723/final-michigan-election-poll-for-2012-election'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'page 22'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Error, 43/35 was their sample.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is all hand wavey prove-anything-you-like statistics, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well Tigernuts, the real problem is no one knows exactly who will show up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And in what proportion. If we did, we could tell who would win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the old addage that the only opinion poll that matters is the actual vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'In the interest of FD: I absentee voted on October 2nd, and I'm in a very blue state - New Jersey.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should've voted GJ :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'GJ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been my advise to anyone undecided. Strong blue or strong red state? vote GJ, tossup? vote Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'hahaha, that's a waste of a vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no vote is a waste.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But I can understand your perspective completely Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in NJ and voted Romney and you tell me that a vote for Romney wasn't a wasted vote?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its wasted for the sense of it mattering who wins. It's never a waste to exercize your right to vote. In fact you should always vote no matter how you think the outcome of your state / county / etc. will go.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole idea of getting the GJ vote out is to secure funds for next election with a view to getting a large enough presence to get into the debates/media'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually, usually the goal of a 3rd party is to make enough waves to get the other 2 to pay attention.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It happened in the 1890s and 1990s.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a reasonable target'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Perot made enough of a dent for the establishment to send death threats to his family'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'In fact, you could argue that the switch of liberal/conservative positions that happened in the 1890s was in large part due to the Progressive movement.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Not sure how anyone could advocate voting for Romney tho, but to each their own'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly the same as anyone advocating voting for Obama, Styx :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'll tell you my three issues. I'm an issue voter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys have a Hobsons choice'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Ill take the lesser of 2 evils every time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't a lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: '1.) Deficit 2.) Jobs in my area 3.) Iran and nukes. Based on that, I think Romney has a better chance of doing better than Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Its an opinion, but those are the top three that matter to me the most.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Warmongering globalist puppet A or warmongering globalist puppet B. Which is the least evil?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would nukes in iran matter for someone in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'social issues matter to me the most. I have a job, and I damn well could get another one if I lost this one, I don't need the governments help.  But I don't want my government shaping its policies based on the religion of 1 man.  Ever.  And I feel like republicans and especially Romney will do that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I understand you and hear you, Styx'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do you only "feel" he will? He's blatantly TOLD us he will.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt Romney's religion will have any impact whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As does his running mate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Cite please'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anymore than Obama's upbringing affected his'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yesterday, Paul Ryan blatantly said that Obama and Obamacare encroaches on religion freedom and that they're a danger to Christian-Juedo values.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'His policies on womens rights and other social issues directly reflect his religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It does.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Catholic hospitals around the country will close down if they lose their lawsuit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'No it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're against same-sex marriage, contraception, abortion, the list goes on. Pretty sure their religion has a whole lot to do about that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's going to create havoc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Both candidates are religious nuts. It's just that romney hates more people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'it keeps employers from being able to discriminate and control healthcare based on religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, they're opposed to handing out contraceptives and doing abortions - against their will.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is NO mandate that requires religiously affiliated organizations to provide free birth control to their workers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If hospital X says, we dont do this here - go somewhere else. You can't just force them to go against their beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a mandate giving them the option to opt out. So what lawsuit are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hospitals should not have beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The catholic church against the US government, i'll get you a link. Still looking for your cite from earlier'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That Romney-Ryan are religious nuts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on who runs and funds the hospital, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'http://www.charismanews.com/us/33460-43-catholic-groups-file-suit-against-obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Where is this quote that you said Yuna. Please send link.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Or you Styx'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Just because they file suit doesn't mean its viable'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, private organizations can do what they want, of course. I meant real hospitals, that take care of regular people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the vast majority of "real hospitals" are private organizations...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021699583'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, more credible source: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/03/1134661/romney-robocall-accuses-obama-of-threatening-our-religious-freedom/?mobile=nc'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'what qoute?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'quote'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah I think Romney is referring to this same lawsuit..'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'May be true. In that case, they should not base decisions on religion. It should be illegal, really, in a secular country.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As per Ryan's new quote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/paul-ryan-social-conservatives-religious-freedom_n_2074129.html'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'well it depends, one thing Yuna's link says is that they provide insurance coverage'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So what exactly is insurance coverage? An abortion?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/mitt-romney-religion-obama_n_1759393.html'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney ad claims Obama's declared war on religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Both Romney and Ryan have both said they will and have shape their policy based on their religion.  That is wrong and it shouldn't happen.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The fastest typist in the world can type 212 wpm in 5min, her avg in 50 minutes is 150 wpm'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're against sterilization now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not only that, Styx, it should be illegal imho.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Yes Ranrr, it should be.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, there's no such thing as "abortion drugs". That's clearly a bullshit religious whackjob website.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK i read that, thanks Yuna. So, this *same* topic has been made by democrats to sound like a war on women'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet to find any facts either way in these posts'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What they're talking about is the morning after pill, which is a form of contraceptive.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'technically it is.  Its called seperation of church and state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't the media wonderful'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Actually the morning after pill is an abortificant'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Contrary to poular belief, the morning after pill doesn't cause an abortion to occur, it merely prevents conception if conception has not already occurred.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, it is not.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Explain, scientifically / biologically'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Yuna is right, it doesnt cause abortions'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_contraception'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'it keeps conception from happning at the latest stage possible.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you fucking educate yourself before speaking against your betters?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I believe that some morning after pills contain abortificants'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But i'll read the link'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A simple Google search or Wikipedia search would've told you INSTANTLY how wrong you are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your beliefs are bad and you should FEEL bad!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the fuck cares about your BELIEFS? The FACTS speak for themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I dunno if your better Yuna, but you shouldn't attack someone like that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Shows just what kind of a person you are when you frequent religious whackjob blogs and believe morning after pills are "abortificants".'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK is an arbotificant, anyway?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i can read, there's a difference between how the law applies to religious institutions and employers who are religious, or work with religious institutionsa#'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Styx, November has a history of spewing bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it looks like you're ALL right, including Paul Ryan - well done'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't remember what it was last time, but I believe he said Obama's either a Muslim or not a natural-born citizen.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK so wait a minute. Mifepristone is the abortificant. Which one does the religious organization oppose to handing out? ECP or Mifepristone or both'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'So do you.  Everyone has a right to their opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Even if its wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you can hold an OPINION. But when you spew LIES, it's not OK.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'most opinions are based off lies.  Even yours.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'As a Catholic, I would say both. So why should a Catholic hospital be forced to hand out ECP or Mifepristone?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have liked to have seen how they define "religious institution". It probably means they have to be registered as a charity via that CT513 or whatever the hell it was called'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a difference between saying "I believe..." and "This is true because of the following (disproven) 'facts'".'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I need to recolor this channel from red, it looks so hostile'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts winks at Taokan.
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just make sure you leave Yuna's posts in red, Taokan'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Noone is forcing the churches to hand them out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole argument has nothing to do with what the churches THEMSELVES can or cannot do'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Religions institutions should be able to bypass all laws they disagree with" is bullshit reasoning, anyway. The Conservatives claim Muslims are trying to pass Sharia laws when they're doing the exact same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Right TN'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't like certain kinds of people? Demand legislation allowing them to discriminate against them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look, Mitt Romney is saying that Obamacare/Obama is a war on religion because - in one big case - Catholic hospitals are being forced to go against their beliefs by handing out ECP or Mifepristone.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the FUCK cares if some no-name Christian is forced to do something they dislike when they are working in the PUBLIC sector?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And in this country, our success is definately because of (one reason among many) our religious freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'No they aren't. You are completely inaccurate November.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Churches should follow the same rules as any other organization. Including not fucking boys, and paying taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Then why the lawsuit?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exactly. If churches can't pay for themselves through tithes, why the fuck keep them around?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do we need so many of them, anyway? Tear the less "lucrative" down and merge parishes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Like I said, just because someone filed a lawsuit doesn't make it viable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sure, Styx.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, Obamacare is actually going to force this upon them. I agree exemptions can be made, but unless things have changed, I don't think they're being made exempt.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just because it's a "Catholic" church, it doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple solution, ditch Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's next, turning patients away for care because they're gay, teen mothers, single mothers, divorcees, not-Christians, etc.?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't like having to follow the law? Stop being a fucking hospital.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contraception isn't healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They have to uphold the law Yuna. But, when that law violates their moral beliefs - the constitution has to be questioned and it does support religious freedom. Its not like people can't go to a different hospital.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They can. So why push this on their beliefs? That is why it is called a war on religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It supports religious freedom and freedom from religion, as long as they follow the law. Not that all and any religion are free to do WHATEVER they want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No law shall be made that specifically encroach on religion freedom or freedom on religion. Obamacare, however, affects ALL healthcare providers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not just religious ones. Thus, the constitution plays no part here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a different argument if they were refusing to treat gays'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, but which is greater - the law or Truth given by God? Catholics will always want to do the first one but will object when it violates the second.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like arguing that hates crimes legislation encroaches on the religion freedom to bully/discriminate/beat up/kill minorities.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Which group is claiming that to be religious freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said it would be LIKE arguing that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, key word there is Congress.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't say a law is violating the right to freedom or religion simply because your religion disagrees with it!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just because you said it, doesn't mean it WOULD be like arguing that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The states and counties etc can do whatever they want on religious freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law does not prohibit the free exercise of religion. They can discriminate however they want... as a religion. Just not as a hospital.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence why obamacare should be ditched and state-level versions used'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I think you're bringing up a larger debate about the Philosphical differences between our Constitution which is founded in the Declaration of Independence vs. some other system such as Sharia law.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you're just bad at comprehending basic English.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'These systems all have philosophical backgrounds about the state of man, and they don't all agree.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'exactly, yuna: you believe that your beliefs trump anyone else's...and disagree with anyone who takes that same stance from their own perspective'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not my fucking belief, it's how the Supreme Court of the United States defines the 1st amendment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, 2nd.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or whatever the freedom of religion one is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'that's the 1st'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the 2nd is guns'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is your fucking belief, you belief that religions can go fuck themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien laughs at Summoner Yuna mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said it several times today: Religious people can do whatever the fuck they want... if they do it in the privacy of their churches or whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, I think the problem is Yuna that in this country there was a founding principle of freedom of religion that couldn't be violated by a Federal government (note Federal, not state or local). In this case, one religious group feels like it is being violated by a Federal law.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Abelinc is secrety a huge troll'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But if they're in the public sector, such as a hospital, they have to follow the fucking law.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thank you for agreeing with me'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'If the SC sides with Obamacare, then Catholic Hospitals will start shutting down.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the fucking law is wrong, hence the suit'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Because they just will morally object to following the law by not providing services'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why are Catholic churches running hospitals, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to help people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, but why do we need special religious hospitals?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they're the ones doing it'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't understand. Why do we need to distinguish them as Catholic hospitals? Why not just hospitals funded by a church?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a very large percentage of hospitals are run by religious organizations'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We don't call hospitals run by Atheists Atheist hospitals.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'See this is the problem with liberalism I have at its core: When you use the Federal government to enact your social policies - you do it with the force of a gun. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They should just be hsopitals, plai nnd simple.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they were run by an atheist organization, sure I would'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but there are no such institutions'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And Pope John Paul II said (cant find exact quote) that whenever a government tries to do something it thinks is divine, it ends up being a demonic act.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, and hospitals, plain and simple, should not be subject to that law'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure. No hospital, ever, is run by non-religious people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you didn't say run by nonreligious people'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said Atheist. Which is close to being non-religious.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you equate the word "Atheist" with "People who run around trying to convert others to Atheism" or some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, there's a difference between a hospital administrator having a belief, and the hospital itself being owned, funded, and fOUnded by that belief'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, some religious organizations found hospitals because it is their belief that they should do these things. And, these hospitals have helped millions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so I'll reiterate, there are no hospitals run by an atheist organization'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Sometimes the poorest people who really can't afford it seek help and get it there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet there are hospitals run by non-religious organizations?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm sure there are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you fucking insane?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Being non-religious INCLUDES being an Atheist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah like Virtua is in my back yard. I dont think there's a religious organization behind it. Virtua is a business.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You CANNOT be non-religious, yet not Atheist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK is YOUR definition of "Atheist", Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think you can Yuna. I call those people practical athiest. A practical athiest is someone who believes in God, but God has no real impact / involvement in their lives.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien kicks back and enjoys the view. 
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being atheist is a particular religion...being non-religious, by virtue of this discussion, is merely the absence of being a religious organization, not being a different religious organization'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, the mere fact that God exists doesn't really mean much to them one way or the other.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, you're wrong. Atheists do not believe in deities. End of story.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with you, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no organizations, whose purpose is to promote atheism, running hospitals'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Practical athiests are not athiests Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They are two separate things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the fuck is wrong with me is...I actually comprehend things and think them through...the fuck is wrong with you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I give up. I welcome Chemosh back. At least his insanity had some reason to it (him being insane and all).'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheism is not a religion. It's a lack of belief in a deity or deities.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"an organization which has no religious bearing"...."an atheist organization"...two totally different concepts'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This does not preclude any belief in a higher power, however, as Buddhists are Atheists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is a very specific religion'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to which credible source? Find me ONE.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, like Virtua Hospital in New Jersey vs. St. Mary's Medical center in Pennsylvania.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'according to the definition'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The first one doesn't care about Obamacare. The second one does very much.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it's according to the definition, it should only take you 3 seconds on Google to find a credible source defining it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'http://atheism.about.com/od/whoareatheists/a/PracticalAtheis.htm'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'exactly 3 seconds'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wasn't talking to you, November!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're confusing religion with organized/institutional religion...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, who the FUCK cares about what some "religious theists" use to describe "those theists who technically believe in a god, but who behave immorally"?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're confusing a lack of a specific belief as a fucking religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This is a public channel Yuna, if you want to talk to me directly or Abelinc directly, send tells.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'atheism is not lack of a belief'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DEFINE Atheism. NOW.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'atheism is defined expressly by its belief, not lack of'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm just trying to prove Abelinc's point that there is such thing as practical athiesm.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'abelinc's point is NOT that there's such a thing as practical atheism!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'atheism is the belief in the non-existence of deities'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, its that you can be non-religious but still believe in God or a god.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that is a belief, not a lack of belief'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or, you can say and that it is the lack of belief in deities.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the fucking same thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you still believe in god or a god, you're not atheist'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's still not a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It does not have ceremonies, rites, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lack of belief is different than belief in the lack of'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's ORGANIZED religion, not what a religion IS'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheism has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It simply, in YOUR word, states that there are no deities.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it most certainly does have to do with that'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, I'm hungry and you're insane. Have a good day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yuna, cite link defining Atheism as you see it'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only parts it doesn't have to do with are the ones containing "usually involving", and "often containing"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which, by their very nature of modification, are declaring are not necessary for the satisfaction of the definition'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the facts are that they are requiring them to allow their employees a path to get to contriceptives l'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'erm oops?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'What I get for leaving an unfinished comment in my buffer'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all finished on the faith-bashing now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'did i miss more of that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, a few hours back, yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yuna and the normal suspects leading their anti-faith charge'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'aah-'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'haters...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'lol... "anti-faith"'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd liken it to the witchfinders of old, but instead of persecuting witches, he persecutes anyone who expresses mildly religious leanings'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i was raised catholic, but as i grew over i saw the hipocracy in the church and just decided an open minded self-explored understanding of religion and 'god' far out shines any religious sects- usual indoctrination but religion on a whole is a good thing :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesse Ventura 2016!!! (who said that?)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'with the way many societies (I'm looking at you, U.S.) treat their non-theists, I'm not surprised that agnostics and atheists hold a lot of resentment'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'what do you mean, the way we treat our non-theists?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the non-theists are quite happy to prop up some pretty horrific religious regimes abroad'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '*cough*saudiarabia*cough*'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '*cough*bahrain*cough*'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Non-Theists support Bahrain and Saudi Arabia?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what Alternate Universe?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the universe where UK very recently affirmed links to Bahrainy royal family and government?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the universe that USA has an army base there?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The UK is non-Theist? In what alternate universe?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The US is non-Thesit?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only 16% believe in god in my country. lowest in europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Since when? 2065?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where the HELL do you live, Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'estonia'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'church attendance is under 2% here'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have absolutely nothing to say to that then. I have no insight into Estonia.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'practicing christians are outnumbered by practicing muslims'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not attending church =/= Being non-theist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'the people of the US are of all religious or non-religious back-grounds.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I mean that atheists are generally regarded as synonymous with immorality and criminality for some reason... in the U.S. atheists are regarded (by a poll of average citizens) as the most distrusted minority, below muslims, homosexuals, and rapists'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK 51% described themselves as not religious'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a christian, a muslim, and a jew walk into a bar...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'and that atheists are legally prohibited from holding public office in 6 states'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '23% in sweden, yuna. ranking third'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... all three weren't in their home country, so they ordered a round of drinks'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'thats only 6 states'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but above blacks?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'and tbh i love state laws :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '0.8% described themselves as Jedi'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '23% of people are what in Sweden, Dagnir? Religious or irreligious?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'atheists'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure the number is much higher.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, sorry, 23% are religious'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'no, below any other minority group'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yah...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm also pretty sure it's still that "high" only because of immigrants, of all religions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'So... Evolution vs Creationalism...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Seiph'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'hahaa'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad Seiph! no biscuit!'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Swedes since generations back are predominantly irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'ok how about this one.. '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'creatonism is an american thing. no-one else believes that shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I apologize on behalf of the United States'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and africa'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'hadron collider, good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, we have potentially located the God Particle. So good for now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what kind of question is that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'i like to think science is badass and all- but why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the particle punisher is fucking awesome'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll get back to you if we create a massive black hole, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'hehe the god particle'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'probably the most awesome thing the humanity has ever built'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'scientific progress is always good... but I admit I don't quite understand the Higgs Boson or Higgs field too well'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'isnt that about as solid as string theory?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only people have a problem with Creationism is idiots who believe the bible literally, or those too stupid to understand what a bible is, and what it represents'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Wasnt the hadron collider also built to study black holes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't create a massive black hole tho. the keyword there is "massive". conservation of mass n shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's too tiny to collide planets or suns'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '(sadly)'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could create a sizeable explosion, but not much more'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'any of you guys ever see that simulation of Andromeda and the milky way colliding?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. awesome'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, btw, there's a game called universe simulator. get it on steam'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'yea it was, i wish i could witness that from alittle off in space :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'haha oh yea?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'looking it up as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. you can simulate the collision or our star system, for example'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and fuck with parameters like gravity etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'so basically- if you wanted to be a benevolant asshole god - this siumlator is for you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. it's more like a visualizer and a sandbox'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'is it universe sandbox?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's what it's called, at least'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'aye, looking at it now- going to have to debate if i want to spend 10.00 on it or not :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. just noticed that i called it "universe simulator" the first time for some reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'haha is.. that not the right one?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'universe sandbox'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'uh oh'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: '"Create and destroy on a scale youve never imagined..." '
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'thats the bait for me, i love destruction games. Red Faction was amazing'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. launched it now and checking out jupiter+moons'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i can destroy jupiter. let's see what happens :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'afk a bit as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'apparently, exploding jupiter with pieces flying out 10km/s doesn't do much'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'damn gravity well'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jameson: 'so whats on the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently the US government gave away state secrets in Bengazi'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you hurry, you can probably arrive at the consulate in time to grab a few sheets for yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest polls put romney ahead 1% countrywide, will still probably lose'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US debt tops $53,000 per person'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '53k is nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can talk when it gets to $200k'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that figure i suspect, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'japan has a larger debt than we do per capita.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, but most of theres is owned by the japanese people, yours is owned by china'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so do a lot of other countries actually.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we are not stupid enough to buy our own debt. :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'other countries owning your debt is not actually a problem, so long as the debt is in your own currency'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'notice that the main use of that USD that directly impacts the US economy is when someone eventually decides to buy some american product or service...'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing Anonymous -didn't- turn up to storm the white house like they promised'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"It doesn't matter who casts the ballot, only who counts them" - Jo Stalin'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that were really true, why bother counting in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illusion of choice and involvement'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'UPS should join the modern world and switch out those bread trucks to automatics.....a good automatic can get just as good or better mileage than those old read trucks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Since there was a guy who was president for two consecutive terms.'
T3/r7/2012-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As usual, Maine was first to ratify it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'eve of the election. Ill be so glad when this crap is over.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Weird to have an election in the middle of the week. No wonder so few people find time to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's always tuesday'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that's the weird part.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Ran, i always find that weird too and never have really grasped that concept. You think it would be on a weekend. Most people get off of work between 4 and 6. Most workplaces though are required to let you off early to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what are the early numbers saying ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day btw :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who won Ohio ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- is winning ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's 2am...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'doh - have the yank news on in the background .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in Australia, the US elections should be over by now :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden elections are always on a sunday. Dunno if it improves partitipation, but at least most people have time to go vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just got home from work  - daylight here - lol soz .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'this just in. Obama has won Ohio.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel D
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'sorry. LOL I just had to put that joke out there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you do that mate could use a smile after today .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Im jsut ready for this stuff to be over. I want my TV back without political ads.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Olyimpics all over again .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'i dont want any one of them to win. I think we need some new blood that isnt party affiliated.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the huge costs involved in campaigning .. not gonna happen imo \'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'and i agree with you 100%. its a political dream that is very slim from hapening, but could.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in Oz we have a few splinter parites - greens , democrats nationals - they actually can carry the balance of power '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but due to economic rationalism both sides of politics are so centralist imo greens are the standout but otherwise ... the wholle system has little teeth if at all imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'when do the polls actually open?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in Ohio over 2 mill have voted early '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'im jes wondering when they are actually going to start counting?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given it's 0200 there .. not yet '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they won't start counting until they find out how many votes mittens need :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'so you think Mitt will win?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you old cynic you !'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if they count votes that way, he will win :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'you have to remember, Obama is from Chicago. There has been alot of crooked politics coming out of that state alone.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'based on the " hey I didn't change much cause I was blocked"  argument ... good luck to him '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Rahm Emanual did ALOT of shady things and got away with it. He's from Chicago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'NEWS FLASH: A lying politician just won the 2012 Presidential Election. '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'QED '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'QED?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'arguement already proven ... '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'lets face it. No matter who we get, we are screwed for about 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a decade ? rose tint those glasses a lil more , mate india n china will drive this century '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'QED? (Quantom electodynamics?)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Quantum*'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'quod erat demonstrandum'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'this exists .... TIL'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'anyone who says they don't eat while driving is full of shit lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'if you don't have an ear piece/ Bluetooth then talking and driving is worse than txting it blinds one whole side and uses more motor function.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and most people who have been texting for the last 10 years can do it without looking type type type look for typos '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'there should be only public transport (except for emergency services & the remotes of the remote locations). would solve so many problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'oh man I totoally agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'but at this point big business controls human betterment'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i think you mean human worsement :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'I mean potential human betterment'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zylias nods.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'well that debate ended quick'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, how would we stop people walking? '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'not really a debate if everyone else has the channel off, and all sides with it on agree :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'they can its not a necessity to use pub transport'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'but its mandated over personal vehicles'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'sorry swalec i meant public transport and walking :D  and cycling in places with dedicated cycle lanes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'with every freedom man is granted he slowly destroys himself'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'to me walking is a part of taking oublic transport, since the transport doesn't usually stop right outside the door of your house/apartement :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): It is time to vote again, Taokan reminds everyone.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So after the first two midnight polling places are in, Obama is ahead 28 votes to 14 votes to 1 vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yes, based on this turnout model we'll see a 75million to 25million turnout overall.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'don't forget the 2.5 million for gary johnson'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Oh yeah, him to. I think your sample size is a bit small, Leinei '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Romney on November winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'today is a great day for a phony rigged election'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I see stories rolling from both sides, its as usual - a lot of look'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'hehe didn't finisht htat'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'A lot of suspicious behavior.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So in how many hours will the first states start reporting their votes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just after 9pm eastern'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'first polls close in 15 mins'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '15 mins? Yay!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'NC polls close at 7, so shortly after that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Virginia will report quickly'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and they are important'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody cares about NC. It's so obviously Red.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, 7 in NC? didn't know that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it went blue last time...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'if Obama takes Virginia its basicly over'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not this time, Tipro.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nate Silver gives Obama a 90.9% chance of winning. I'm feeling good today.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama has a 100% chance of furthering the police state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Romney could still win, but he would have to pull some magic shit to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Nate Silver predicted the last election down to almost the very correct percentile and predicted every single 2008 Senate race except ONE correctly).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like his underwear.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all of the noise coming from Democrats about riots, vote rigging and some of the dubious election behaviour they're pulling...they're worried'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, did you hear about that confirmed case of 2012 voter fraud of a woman trying to vote twice?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'we shall see pretty early'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't misunderstand, i think Obama will win, and I think that'll be terrible for USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mysteriously enough, she voted Republican.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'better than romney winning'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh good lord'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did the Black Panthers terrorize anyone in 2012 yet?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they've said they'll be back at the polls'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but if I remember correctly, they've enacted some laws that deal with having weapons at poll places'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i'm surprised those laws weren't already in place, but still'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is just too good to be true.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'depends on the polling place. as most of them are already buildings you cant carry guns'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no need for weapons, a mob is just as deadly just punching and kicking.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but apparently where they were, having those batons wasn't illegal, now it is'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're there, just not armed'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'mysteriously enough, they're democrats'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'True The Vote (what kind of name is that, anyway?!), a right-wing election monitoring group who runs around trying to disqualify votes it thinks are illegitimate have been banned from monitoring elections in Columbus Ohio because some of the names signed to support them are either false or forged.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '>.>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but that's good, I was beginning to think the Dems were gonna tell them not to show because they didn't want a bunch of angry proud black men giving them bad publicity.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What would stop someone against The Vote from forging a name?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we should pit them against the U.N. monitoring groups that have been meeting with the democratic lobbying groups'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Teabaggers can run rampant around the country chanting about how Obama's a secret Kenyan Muslim, the Black Panthers can stand outside polling places and... what, talk?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that'd be fun to watch'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly, hans, the democrats are quite happy to have black people out intimidating the opposition'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Apparently you know nothing about Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not right, yuna, because the black panther party are essentially an FBI animal'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't disagree Yuna, it's just using one group of nuts to invalidate a whole group of people is silly'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Mr. Conspiracies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ask Mr Larry Pinkney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the founders of the group'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Tea Party isn't just a small group of nuts, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i'm not talking about the tea party'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Conspiracy? Read the "official" Benghazi story'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'interestingly enough, porn likes Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, then I have no issue here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Black Panthers, whatever they're doing, are a small group of old black people. In no way does this reflect on all Democrats, black people or old people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this another matter of Yuna thinks everything he doesn't like is a conspiracy theory?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of who wins, I really hope we don't go into another recount situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the heck does their harassment even stem to? "Vote for Obama! Or the country will go down the drain!"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not going to be that close, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harassment is not correct'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, it's the new black panther party, which isn't the same as the black panthers'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, ok.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, who called for the stand-down at Benghazi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'NBP is essentially the black version of the neo-nazis.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, if I remember correctly, a lot of the old black panthers have denounced the new black panther party'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, New Hampshire has already reported its votes? Or at least some preliminary results?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get an answer, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '65.1% O, 32.6% R.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The "official" story even outs Obama, even though I don't believe it was him'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Those would be exit polls'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DosseT, you don't even know who did.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'exit polls'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I have an idea, and I don't think it was Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your media-made story "official" story implicates Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but historically they are decently accurate'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We know a general (I think) did. Not that Obama himself did.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't think Obama did either.  Why does the MSM implicate he did?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what's so wrong about not wanting to send good men to their deaths half-cocked? Wanting to figure out what's going on first?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So you either must concede the MSM is lying, or your boy called it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wanting to figure out? They watched the whole episode on live feed'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then he went to pay off the national debt at Vegas'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MSM? Who, Fox News?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, DosseT, that livestream didn't go up until HOURS after the initial attack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There were Delta Force and CIA assets sent there ordered to stand down'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't believe that story, but that's even what the official story says'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That was a fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, the 65.1% / 32.6% number comes from a website that has listed ONLY New Hampshire's numbers. I think those are actual preliminary results, not exit polls.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'benghazi was Fast and Furious V2'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It appears this was a botched black-ops job, over which Obama's sending aid would have made the U.S. responsible'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He was forced into a lose/lose situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, 28 / 14 insofar. Obama has 10% of the electoral votes he needs to win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chose not to send aid to, and instead incur the wrath of the American people, who are less harmful than the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have any states actually formally declared?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't believe Obama is at fault, though he is forced into accepting fault'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the first polls don't close 'til 4 minutes from now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'There actually WAS aid sent, just not up to the expectations (in amount or speed) that people wanted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Flach, there was a Delta Force team and CIA assets available'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, DosseT. For the first time ever, I agree with you. Not with everything, but the general theory.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's probably not at fault in the way Nixon was at fault, but Obama is the President.  Almost nothing that happens in the Cabinet doesn't get thrown past him without him knowing about it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's at fault by proxy of being POTUS'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he is guilty of breaching the consitution on multiple accounts, what does the life of one measely diplomat matter?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I think the goal of the operation was to kill the Ambassador'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The supreme court certainly hasnt seen it that way thus far :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the supreme court are a failure then'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, yeah, he may have had a rogue General settling a grudge or something, but he definitely was "logged in" with everything SecState and similarly-positioned minions were doing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the supreme court are a failure thencc'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Then call them a failure :P  But their word is law, in the most literal sense of that statement.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They represent us, so we are the law'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are on my payroll'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, the houses can write laws. They can only interpret them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should fire them, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even separate from the Ambassador, they let all the classified papers in the building sit there unguarded for months.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tragedy aside, this may have been the event to set things into motion'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And yeah, you're right, but they are the final word when it comes to that interpretation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess i'd best find a different english speaking, free country to live in, since USA won't be it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what country are you living in now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'This country certainly isnt perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than most alternatives that I could think of.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, joy. Oregon election worker Deanna Swenson has been fired and is under criminal investigation for election fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK, Malkar'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'lawl I love these cliche talking points its like both sides are regurgitating facebbok reposts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a nice.... way of putting it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'On ballots where boxes were left unchecked, she filled in a straight Republican ticket on all unchecked boxes. When caught, she tearfully claimed it had "only [been] the two". As if that made it any less stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah, moving here from the UK would be a waste of time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wanted Bachmann out of the Senate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no excuse for the Minnesotan people to give her yet another term in office. That woman is clinically insane.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'We need to put Bachmann, Palin, Paul, and Johnson in a cage together.  Last one standing is allowed to stay in the country.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I swear just a couple short years ago we were arguing about how election fraud not only wasn't happening but that when it did it basically wasn't enough to matter...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should marry her'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can froth into each others eyes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It wasn't enough to matter. But then the Republicans made a huge deal about it. And made their voter base think "Well, if the Democrats are doing it ,we should get in on the action as well!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i would marry that one chic who came on TV and proudly proclaimed she was not a witch...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's quite funny how I've heard of basically zero cases of election fraud helping the Democrats this year while there have been several cases (caught) on the Republican side.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you only read liberal media'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean Christine O'Donnell, a.k.a. Palin 2.0.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there was the democratic senators son'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even Fox News hasn't been able to dig up anything.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that's her name. *sniff*'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'There are other kinds of media? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Care to provide a source?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'liberals only ever attack other liberals when they're liberals they hate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he was the one that was caught on camera, and was in charge of his fathers re-election campaign'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what did he do?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fucking idiotically long video. 27 minutes?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it was was representative, not senator, but still'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you call that election fraud?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you ADD or something?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, voter fraud has to happen quickly!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Election fraud is just white noise to cover up Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is it any surprise there's fraud on both sides?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He didn't actually commit fraud. He advised someone. While that was a really bad thing to do, it wasn't actual fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Benghazi is a cover-up not for Obama's administration, though they are scapegoated for it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, that's ok then'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conspiracy to fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it's still one case of ADVISING people on how to commit voter fraud vs. half a dozen confirmed cases of ACTUAL voter fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, as long as he didnt' DO it, it's not fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it's still an offence'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, a Pennsylvania voting machine was taken out of commission, recalibrated and put back into service when it was caught surreptitiously changing a vote for Barack Obama to a vote for Romney. Hmmm...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say it wasn't an offense.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think trotting out the "It's Bush's fault!" line works anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying if someone posted 2 ballots, if they get caught then they weren't guilty because the second ballot wasn't coutned'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Tigernuts made it sound really bad.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As if he'd actually himself committed the fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't even my link'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my point is that you've consistently had fraud on both sides of the isle, so while we can sit here and try and one up each other on cases of fraud, both sides have committed it,a nd there's bad people in both parties'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't claim it's consistently when it's been a pretty unheard of issue 'til this election cycle.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fraud is a staple of american elections'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we can try and argue that one side has done more this time, but over the last 10 years, we can find a lot of it on both sides'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Razkin, it's noise to keep us, the people, fighting ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not fighting, I'm just frustrated that people will find something damning for one side, then turn a blind eye to what happens on 'their side''
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't seen any fraud for Gary Johnson yet...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're not fighting because you see it what for what is - most people are fighting, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said it didn't happen on both sides. I said it's happening a lot on the Republican side this year because of the rhetoric the Republican party used.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Kansas is pretty proud that they managed to influence a Missouri state election to benefit them.  Granted, it was like 6 score and 5 years ago or so...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Gary Johnson is a nutcase though, even fraud couldnt help his chances'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They made it sound like it was rampant within the Democratic ranks, which makes their voterbase feel like they should get in on it as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better governor than Romney ever was'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just don't buy that, I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't think that's what happens'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I could be wrong on that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I have no clue about how he was as a governor, so you might be right on that one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Green Party almost always puts up clinically insane people for election.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sometimes, they're even felons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he didn't write a letter to his half brother saying "If you lose the election, riot until they're forced to give you a cabinet position"'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, it's OK to run for POTUS even when your felonous record prevents you from actually voting.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'just an fyi...johnson is NOT green party'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... apparently he isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So who IS the Green Party's Crazy of the Year?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have no idea, though I do know Roseanne Barr is running'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'her name is JIll...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jill Reid'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Al Gore is busy, I hear, so must be someone else'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore is busy making 100s of millions of dollars out of his fake global warming scam'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doens't give a shit about politics anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Surely it's a 100% real scam..'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is he still doing that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's got all these juicy corporate welfare handouts from Obama to totally sponge off of'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'the royalities from his books dont hurt either'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and other similarly delusional countries abroad)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'You know somebody's lost when he goes from racism to "global warming is fake" in five minutes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of his wealth is from green investment'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't seen any racism'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Most racists don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts doesn't have the balls to come out and say it openly, but he's also fond of implying Obama's a secret Muslim.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I suppose the communist part is not secret?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing i believe it's you're a not-so-secret idiot'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And if he was muslim, who cares.  He's still a human being.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe he openly accuses Obama of being a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Obama -is- a communist'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'See.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'is he a human being??!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Closer to socialist than communist'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loosest possible sense of the word, malkar'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Aha, and I, having weighed in for less than 30 seconds in text form, am so clearly an idiot.  Do all Republican voters have this level of logical analysis?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who on earth are you talking to Cosmo?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Obama's a Communist, then Sweden, in Tigernuts' eyes, is Soviet Russia.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Not that there's much point, but you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, seriously, Obama's right-wing by Swedish standards.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't referring to you, Cosmo, so you're exhonerated'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he was tlaking to yuna, it must be that Democratic Chip on the Shoulder!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see how that works'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'huh... a victim of crossed posts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sweden is a scandinavian bankwater and not terribly relevent'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, cosmo'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: '-backwater-*relevant'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, us and our horrible Socialized healthcare and free education (at all levels, except, obviously, at private schools).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Universal healthcare?  You bastards!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that relevent to the accusation of being a constitution-destroyer, a warmonger, a centralist control freak and a nannyist police state provider?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We even have pesky little things called "Roofs". No matter how much healthcare you need, you never have to pay for than the maximum per year.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(As long as it's not elective surgery, obviously)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than Sweden -also- being nanny-state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you accuse Obama of those things or Sweden?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, most against socialism are against socialism in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not that it can't work in countries as Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's because the model cannot be sustained in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'A nanny state is a place which imposes unnecessary onerous rules restricting its citizens.  It's not universal healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tigernuts is against high taxes on alcohol to drive up the price of alcohol so people will drink less.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm against high taxes period'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mysteriously enough, instances of drunk driving, drunk rage, drunk anything and drunks in general are extremely low in Sweden. But we can't have that if it requires a nanny state!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cosmo, universal healthcare in the U.S. is tantamount to a nanny state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun not having paved roads, universal healthcare, free firefighters, free schooling at any level then, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Too many freeloaders'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet location has more to do with that, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sweden also has an extremely low population density'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why it works in places like Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Location?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Population density has absolutely no influence on alcoholism, AFAIK.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'A nanny state is something completely different, it's not related to healthcare (unless the government, say, bans alcohol).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about instances of drunk anything per capita, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does have to do with the IMPACT of alcoholism...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It's important to get the words right because the phrase "nanny state" is so emotionally charged.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cosmo, the U.S. supports non-taxpayers'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But I made absolutely no mention of the impact of alcoholism. Just the prevalence of it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you did'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'drunk driving, drunk rage, etc are impacts, they are not alcoholism'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I also said "drunks in general".'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the average alcohol user causes $1k of additional costs to society, how much should he pay in extra taxes on the alcohol consumed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're measuring that...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden has some of the lowest number of drunks, smokers and drug users in the EU if not the world.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep.  Colder areas tend to have safer drivers due to all the ice and snow.  I know Sweden is more capable of dealing with such, but I really doubt their drivers think their handling is so awesome that they'll drive dangerously.  Part of that is the realization that drunk-driving is driving dangerously.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA adults consume less alcohol per capital than Swedes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Per capital?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I actually know of more drunk swedes than I do drunk Merkins...and I've never even been there ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is probably because Swedish people don't have to tolerate the kind of crap we do in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capita'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have nothing to add to this conversation except to say that I don't drink! yay'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I don't drink alcohol....'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Alcohol consumption her capita, yes. But the average is 10 litres per person per year.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That doesn't change the fact that Sweden has very low numbers of alcoholics.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only mormons don't drink alcohol...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Muslims...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Well, they're not supposed to)¨'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and me'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you find the number of deaths per capita for chronic alcohol related conditions'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you're guilty of bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'The news sites are confusing me.  Can you guys have a fully blue Senate and House but have a red President?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well hans, most drivers who drive under the influence do NOT recognize it as driving dangerously..."I'm fine!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'yes cosmo'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes cosmo'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would there even be national tables of that, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you can also have blue states with red governor's and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'That's so weird...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, actually you can have a blue/red-dominated senate/house...you'd never see a FULLY one'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are national tables of everything else...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yes, we've had plenty of cases where there's a dem prez and rep congress and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just for posterity's sake, I consume alcohol at a rate of approximately a few mililitres every 2-3 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should drink more'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'drink red wine'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's mostly in the form of fruity drinks with little alcohol. And I go several years between them because I don't much of a pressing need to injest them. But if someone buys me a drink, I'll take it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've tried alcohol, but I've never inhaled it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if the republican'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In my entire lifetime, I've tried beer (less than 1/4th of a can in total), 1 mouthful of Koskenkorva (my throat burned for days afterwards), 1 rum and coke, 1 rum-based drink called 21 (local specialty) and 1 strawberry something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have to admit, I'm with you on that one Yuna, for instance, I had a glass of wine at a wedding I just stood in'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaaaand that's it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I guess I can't claim that I don't drink at all  :('
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I ahve never in my life paid for alcohol, not even once.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i can drink all of that in a week'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For casual drinking, just do red wine for pairing and scotch neat'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 3 drinks I've had were bought for me by a classmate a graduation party, a friend when we celebrated a job well done and shared with a friend at a party.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For obvious reasons, I've never been drunk. Not even tipsy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I hear estos get deported if their BAC ever falls below the national limit'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I drink like a fish, never once got drunk though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think I tried wine once. Like, just a sip. Wine tastes like rotten grapes to me. And it's basically what they are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I used to do that in college'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'try a wine tasting class'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you sample different grapes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'has anyone heard how polling is going in Sandy affected areas, not the break down, but if it's running smoothly, etc?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for any given drink, there's a range of quality.  Wine has a ridiculously wide range.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It costs money. And I feel no need to pay money for things I will most probably not enjoy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can taste whether a wine was aged in oak or stainless steel'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard some of the PA touchscreens ran out of paper.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet you are happy to force the rest of us to pay for stuff we won't enjoy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'did that affect anything?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Healthcare, schooling, firefighting, roads, etc. are necessities for society to function.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oak aged wine is much better'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wine tasting classes are not.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying other people to sit on welfare and have sex isn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that shouldn't affect anything, the paper is just for audit/journaling, not for actual counting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wait.. I can get paid to have sex?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well then, Tigernuts, campaign to have the system changed because in Sweden, you can barely survive if you're on welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, in the Uk you get paid to have kids!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hate my old high school advisor right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you get paid for havING kids, not to HAVE them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, sad'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was going to go out and start working!!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'giggity'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have had kids without having them'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with wines, you can get stuff that tastes exactly like rubbing alcohol smells as well as ambrosial treats that are as flavorful as koolaid (ie, fruity, minty, etc without the alcohol taste).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if you're so set against universal healthcare, again, are you against state funded roads, firefighters and education?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, there's the maternity leave before you have them, etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not against any of those things'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then why so set against universal healthcare?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not against universal healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'very true. wine tasting is a subtle art'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet I've seen you complain about Obamacare... a LOT.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i'll wearily point out that Obamacare is not universal healthcare, it's mandatory health INSURANCE'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK is socialized healthcare if not mandatory health insurance?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, that's literally just how much quality variation there is in wines.  One sip could turn you into a wine snob who craves cheese, or could turn you off of wine entirely.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialized healthcare is paid for by the tax system'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare is not'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Obama TRIED to institute universal healthcare. The Republicans wouldn't allow it so he had to water down Obamacare. It's better than the status quo before obamacare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's his hard luck'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of fucking course it is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'It's basically the same thing.  The only difference is the Republicans blocked true socialized healthcare, on the grounds that it didn't benefit CORPORATE interests.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not basically the same thing...obamacare won't provide healthcare for me'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'dry red is the way to go'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all Obamacare does is ramp up the cost of health insurance and totally fuck up people who work but can't afford health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'for taste and for health'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'aged in french oak, i take white or red'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I found reds to be the most terrible.  I drank one, couldn't even taste the grapes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'depends what you like'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'cab sauv with red meat'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or a sweeter merlot'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i also like reislings, for some odd reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have the UK healthcare system if you like, but it'll cost you because it's about to collapse under a mountain of debt'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you have anything not immediately life threatening wrong with you, don't expect to be treated, because you won't be'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wish I could remember what it was, but I went to a restaurant called The Macaroni Grill that had just opened in STL and on a whim decided to go with the recommended wine for whatever I had ordered.  It tasted so good (some sort of fruit flavor), I swear it didn't have any alcohol in it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and of course, because of the system there isn't a decent private healthcare system available at an affordable price as a result)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'The UK NHS is basically fantastic, but poorly funded.  If it was as well funded as Sweden's (where people vote more to the left), it could be the best in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there are many wines like that out there. a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funding is less than half the problem with it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organisation and coverage are the the major problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'is it too soon for election results? stuck at work w/o television'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We don't "vote more to the left" in Sweden. Because besides the right-wing, nationalistic, racist, basically neo-nazi Swedish Democrats, EVERY SINGLE PARTY in parliament is left-wing by international standards.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And we love it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, the globalists are winning, Endtime'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Mac Grill is a chain'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They prolly have a set wine list'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'they always do :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Poor organization in the NHS is generally due to lack of funds, and managers having to prioritize things they'd rather not.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they probably buy the wine in bulk and get it cheaper.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor organisation in the NHS is not due to lack of funds'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's due to bad management and oversite'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'endtime, we should get a few results soon, but 1.5 hours before we start getting real results.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oversight'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying $5bn for a $400m hospital for example'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'thanks malkar, will check back on supper break'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Which hospital was that, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was thinking specifically of the Norwich University Hospital, but applies to pretty much any of them that were built under the PFI scheme'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'PFI is pretty poorly regarded in general.  It doesn't reflect on the fundamental NHS so much as on the idiocy of the government in charge.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, PFI was hugely expanded under the last socialist government as a way of spending shittons of money without having to account for it on the budget sheets'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result, we have numerous NHS trusts on the verge of bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Socialist?  Are you referring to Labour, who are centre-right?  Or the Tories, who are right-right but still to the left of Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hahaha, lol. A Swedish newspaper's online edition had a "Guess which Presidential candidate 14 celebrities are voting for". I got 14 out of 14 right.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Neither?  It's nearly a century since we had another party in charge...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong neither. the comparison is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aw dammit, I missed most of the all-day election day debate channel marathon!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it went as could be expected'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can sum it up for you.  "Breaking news!  Obama's winning............................................................until all the Republicans get off work."'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'still a few hours to to before the victory celebrations/predictions of doom.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yes, it looks like Obama's tactic of importing supporters from Mexico and Cuba is working!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, I'd like to point out, not for the first time, that a party that thinks govt is bad generally runs govt badly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got a postal ballot today, no idea what it's for'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whether we should riot should our side not win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of which, it's entirely too late now if you haven't already gotten your anti-riot supplies stashed.  Just in case something happens to me, I just want ya'll to know that I'll miss all this chatting.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, police commissioner. boring'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt there'll be any now :-('
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good thing I'm less than a day from the canadian border!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'polls closing in 10 seconds'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'polls already closed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sad, my clock is off'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the first result is Ohio with Obama polling 112% of the vote!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just heard a Fox News update.  Romney's currently at 19 to 3'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second is Florida where Obama polled 102% of the vote and Romney 17,154%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's still a lose for the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, dosset, never a truer word spoken'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't care about who's in office; I want to know what we're doing in Libya'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how was turnout for you guys when you voted?  I heard on the order of 70% average here in MO.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which will get buried regardless'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when I went, though, there were no lines.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they turned the lobby of my apartment building into a polling station...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you go vote during Ricki Lake or whatever the modern equivalent is?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was pretty well set up, but from photos of other locations, I have to say that the US does need election monitors. Good ones.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could probably use ditching electoral colleges'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well yes, but first things first'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Yeah, electoral colleges are the least democratic thing out of your whole election process.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I got off work at 2pm, went and did a half-hour's running around, and got up to the booth at 3pm.  Walked out after 15 minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, places where you can stand behind and observe other people voting? Polling in restaurants where the workers have a clear view of the screens?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Curiously, members of the EC aren't even obligated to vote for whom they said they would.  100% of the electorate could go red, and the EC could vote 100% blue.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'voting for retention of all those judges is totally pointless, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '56 minutes until polls close here and I just got another recorded political call.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second thing to improve it would be to ditch those bloody voting machines'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'election security in some places are in third world condition...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Virginia's polls have closed. Agents are go!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's that video of a machine changing a vote for obama to romney...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gentlemen! start your vote-rigging software now!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'our curtains overlapped plenty, from inside I couldn't see outside my closet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there've been dozens of videos like that each way, SOnshi, it's actually down to badly calibrated touch screens'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's ridiculous how they just "recalibrated" it and then put it back into service.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The EC is the failsafe in case the people actually band together to put a competent person in POTUS'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'I love how electronic voting recounts work "It's 10426".  "Check again!"  "Yeah, still says 10426 on the screen."'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the ones I've seen in philly have curtains. Many photos show places with no curtains in other states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should do it the old fashioned way with a cross on a piece of paper'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'What's wrong with that Yuna?  That's what I did with my smartphone.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'paper ballots are more expensive, but it's also harder to rig, if you have the right systems...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dangling chads notwithstanding?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shouldn't even need to go out to vote.  Just do it from your mobile device or computer.  Hell, could even do it on Big Gulp cups like 7-Eleven is doing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'I'd vote for dangling chavs'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dangling from a noose?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean chads?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are problems, yes... but rigging on paper ballots only works on small margins before it gets too blatant'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hans, I used chads, cosmo was joking'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chavs are victims too, you know'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'yeah, I deliberately misread'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'I'm very funny man'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a hard life, getting up at 10, having to drink beer for breakfast, watch some sky tv and play playstation 3, then have to get takeaway for dinner because you're too fat to cook'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how it's okay to spend all that money on campaigning, but at the same time it's all right to compromise election security just to save a little bit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you get a peek behind the curtain'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, I get up at 12-3, and I don't drink beer!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Somebody here in the UK has been campaigning for all election campaign funds to be funded by the government, to prevent overspending and stop corporate interests taking over.  I think every country would benefit from doing that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't do that, Dosset, they're naked'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'only single malt whisky?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cosmo, you know who "the government funding" is, right'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'latest poll is Obama 55% Romney 45% (after 4%)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would decide who gets funded,  Cosmo?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'No, I don't, because we can't find out unless the funders volunteer the information.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they tend to restrict campaigning to more opt-in rather than opt-out things'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government ostensibly has no money; it's taxpayer money, i.e. you'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So you pay for someone to get into office and kickback his special interests'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'nice'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'There are a few ways Tigernuts, it's a tricky issue but has a few solutions proposed.  All of them are better than the current status quo.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'saves on costs and irritation. But would probably violate the american sense of free speech'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'm off to bed because some of us actually slave for a pittance, i mean, work for a living'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Right now, Dosset, we all pay the price by being ruled by people who are controlled by outside interests we don't understand.  I'd rather pay a few pounds instead.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although they still drive around and yell out their messages, I think...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe tv ads are banned or something, I don't remember seeing any back home.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'NC and Ohio polls closed. Too close to call. VA Romney projected winner'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Hmm, everyone thought NC was going comfortably to Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'look at who donated to the romney campaign compared to obama in 2008.. lock it up, romney won'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I believe Obama had more individual donors'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama has  tiny lead (1.1%) over Romney in Florida with 1% of the vote counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Romney had a way larger outside advertising buget'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i'm just talking about look at the guys who pulls the strings not the amount'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Romney projected to take WVa, count is now 23 to 3.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'i.e. advertising money spent by people outside his campaign'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i'm not talking amount either'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, 24 to 3'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah Romney had way more money when looking at independent groups'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'West Virginia isn't a swing state, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So there was never much doubt there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, it wasn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Virginia's going to Romney with 2% of the votes counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZUhjiu2atPo/TxWE2L_hTnI/AAAAAAAAALA/1KNUIIEUNVU/s1600/candidate+contributions.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'who's calling virgina?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'pretty much sums it all up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't seen anyone call it yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it will go to romney, but it's pretty close there'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'no one clal WV? I haven't either'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dem banks'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heh, gotta love "breaking news": a virginia precint with a population of about 1,700 has reported!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'WV is called to go to Romney, as heard from Fox News.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'how many electoral votes is that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, with 6 Virginia precincts reporting, Romney leads Obama 57.2% to 41.5%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'SC for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'isn't it expected that most rural areas report earlier than urban ones, and that rural ones are more likely to go Romney?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '24 to 3.  So far, Obama's only won VT.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's some large democratic precincts in VA, so I'd be surprised if they called it yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's still so early'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You might be on to something, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i influenced a tie'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'they were calling NC for Mccain last year, and they were wrong'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'since the big cities were the late-reporting ones'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'last election, I mean, of course'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Virginia precints who've gone red:  Lee COunty, Augusta County, Hanover County, Chesterfield County and Roanoke County. Sound very rural to me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The lone precinct Obama's won was Pittsylvania County, an obviously urban area (and he won it by 70.4% to 28.7%)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wait, I misread. He won Danville county. Pittsylvania hasn't reported in yet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'va reminds me of my state, most of it's red, but the few counties that go blue are so huge that they completely flip the race here'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, that's how NC is'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Everyone think we'll have a winner by tonight, or will it drag into tomorrow?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Two big population centers'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like that all over the country. More states are red, but the bigger states generally go blue.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Rest is red'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm in ILlinois, so once the chicago land precincts start submitting, the state goes distinctly blue'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, a vast majority of the population lives there, so I guess I can't really complain'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, Romney's officially won Kentucky. 8 electoral votes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's officially won Vermont with 3 electoral votes. Though the site I'm reading doesn't actually tell us the vote breakdown in Vermont for some reason.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Possibly, they're just foregone conclusions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Hah, gotta love it.  Obama has 74% of the vote in SC so far...and they're calling for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'looking at cnn projections... indiana flips to romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama has 85.9% of SC votes with 1% reporting according to my info. Maybe my map is lagging slightly, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there must be more than that reporting from early voting Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoa, my map just updated. 12 Electoral votes (henceforth known as EV) to Obama, 24 to ROmney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, my map just officially called SC for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm watching the rcp website, but I've fox and nbc in the background, just to see what they're saying'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And West Virginia for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama given a checkmark in SC? wtf'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Indiania.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there's no way Obama won SC'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sc called for romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Strange... the overall map gives O the checkmark, but clicking on SC gives a popup that calls it for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no, Romney has been, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A glitch, I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nbc is calling sc'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Obama officially way ahead, but they're still calling it for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to romney, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and now so is fox and rcp'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'rcp?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real clear politics'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'realclearpolitics'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kentucky's solid red, right? Being called for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sanders (D) called to retain his seat in Vermont.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'These guys on CNN have way too much energy for it being this early in the process'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Sanders is an independent (and true, proud socialist)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess he's one of the two Independents who caucuses with the Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'he might, yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'RCP counts him as D.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why does Alaskan polls close at 1:99 AM ET? It's not that far to the west that it should close its poll 2 hours after all other polls have closed, shuld it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '1:99?  That's a new time to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1:00'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'Every time is new, that's like time's defining feature.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, Shumlin (D) also projected to retain governor seat. Yay.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't really matter, election is decided by then anyways'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's an hour behind the west coast'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney projected to win Kentucky, Indiania, South Carolina and West Virginia (33), Obama Vermont (3).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm showing Alaska closing at midnight ET'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are there any states where electoral college votes are based on percentages instead of "Winner takes it all"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'RCP claims they close at 1:00 AM ET'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but I forget all of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for instance, I think nebraska is one of them, but I'd have to double check'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '2 states do'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'don't know which ones'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nebraska and maine'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe maine or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maine, also a weirdo.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I just remember that Obama carried 1 of the votes from Nebraska last time'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Maine gives 2 votes to the overall state winner, and 1 to each district'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(which has always been the same)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '14% in of NC has Obama up by 50k votes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, in practice, they're winner-take-all'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(2 districts)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Most of those are from Charlotte, though, Tipro.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Which is probably the bluest part of the state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah I know. I did some election monitoring today for a non-partisan group here in Charlotte. Was quite interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Wake and Watagua counties are also extremely blue.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and populous'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, wake+orange+durham'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Where is Watugua, though?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Boone/blowing rock'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'ah'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'App state students (left) balance out the natives (red)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney called to win Georgia as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I was almost a Mountaineer'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think I spent a night there for picking flowers or something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'McCrory is up in the NC governors race as well. He's expected to win by a fair margin'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I went to app state, but wasn't as liberal as most there'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama gaining on Romney the more votes are counted in Florida. So no 2000 bullshit from Florida.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh wait, I'm thinking UNC-A'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'oh that's a nice place too. Ashville's great'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, honeymooned there'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama's up 78 to 71'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'every news outlet is going to have a different number :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'CNN has 64-40'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Romney now ahead in NC w/ 25% in'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fox just revised the EC numbers down.  They're going through Obama's states now, with a total of 72.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more breaking news: romney is winning the vote in Ohio among people that call themselves conservatives.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think I might as well just take a nap and turn this back on in a couple of hours.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama 72, Romney 71'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trollolololol. A bajillion states were just called for Obama. 78 (D) / 71 (R) now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if obama wins, I want my free phone'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'VA might be getting extended poll times because the lines were so long (both sides asked for this).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is the free phone an iPhone?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and actually, I haven't seen one battleground state called yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Connecticut is HILARIOUS. With less than 0% of the votes counted, Obama leads Romney 91.6% to 8.1%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a lot of votes, considering that we get all our random numbers between 0 and 1.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, in other words, there's 37 votes that have been counted, and Romney has 3'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you talking about CN? 1300+ votes counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Also..."less than 0%"? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean t less than 1%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, is it possible for a poll to close when there are still voters in line to vote?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think they 'close the doors' at that time'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Think they usually stop people from getting in line at a certain point'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And then let everyone in line finish'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'at least, from my experience'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, that's how it happens here, but I'm not going to say that that's the way it happens everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But if you get there 5 minutes before closing, and there'a 100 people in line, they might turn you away'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(I think)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not very nice...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Been a while since I haven't early voted'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'each state has it's own rules'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama leading in Ohio with 1% of the vote counted. Double digits!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and like what's going on in VA right now, both candidates asked for extended time because of the long lines, so it was granted'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which I think is the right thing to do'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they stop the line at the original closing time.  You might not get to vote, so if the numbers seem to indicate you're valuable they'll ask for more time.  You're not really allowed to vote until they say yes, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my map shows 19% counted for ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What map are you looking at, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, rcp only has 1%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm looking at HuffPo and RCP. Both say 1%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cnn'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think CNN is based on exit polling.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'romney went up to 82 now, according to rcp'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'est 19% in, 660980-451601 is what I see'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, they're way different then the other sites'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although oddly, the percentage in has sometimes decrease for some states. Errors?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I dont' know if that's because of the estimated part, or not'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(decreased)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they might be using exit polls somehow'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's weird... HuffPo's map shows the same number votes counted as CNN, but HuffPo has the number at 1% while CNN has it at 20%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with 3 precincts in in MO's senate race, Todd Akin's winning.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Missouri votes for Tod Akin, then they deserve him. What a bunch of fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, something wonky is going on there, I'd go with the other sites for now'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That said, those 3 precincts pretty much voted straight Republican. Let's hope there are less crazy districts in that state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Missouri will probably go strongly republican, at least that's the general consensus'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but Tod Akin's nuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's Michelle Bachmann levels of nuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, even though I'm conservative, she drove me up the wall'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unsurprisingly, Bachmann and Akin are both running in Missouri'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like, have you ever felt embarassment for someone?  That's how I'd get when I'd watch her talk'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, wait, Bachmann isn't from Missuouri?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, Minnesota.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare's poison here.  His rape comments notwithstanding, McCaskill really never had a chance, having basically gone headon against the voting public.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Missouri women are insane, then.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some of the est x% in numbers are clearly screwed up... over 400k votes in for miami-dade and it shows 0% in'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why is it taking so long to count Ohio votes? It's been at 1% forever.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even tried a state-level version of Obamacare that the public voted against, too, so Lt Gov or one of the other executive races is flipping also.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I forget who I was listening to, but I know Ohio typically takes awhile to tally'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '88 for Rom now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd imagine it's because it's a perinnial swing state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'over/under on how many times Gary Johnson's name gets mentioned on CNN tonight: 2'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Who the heck decided to name all the counties in Florida the same as counties in NC?  I keep thinking they're talking about my state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'way back when they first mapped out the states, one of the highly-underpaid and highly-overworked aides decided to take a shortcut.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or there were just only a dozen famous englishman back then'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'to name counties after'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, FL became a state about 2 months after NC. It's likely that the same people were working on statehood :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '10years not 2 month  (thank google for that answer)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder what percentage of the mud has the debate channel turned off :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'most people have it turned off :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh snap!  The WWE Universe put the Smackdown on Linda McMahon's senate bid!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think Wolf Blitzer just said Oromney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they called my state the second polls closed :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Razkin: gamestat 12'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '48 out of 395 people have it on'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's a neat command'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that's more people than I thought would have it on :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'this channel can get quite energetic sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '150 people have gossip on, is what i find amain'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'amazing*'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it shot up by about 40 because it's election night'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I believe that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'what amazes me is that 73 out of the 272 tiers somehow got annoyed enough by tiertalk to turn it off'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you tell?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'gamestat 12'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that channel is rarely used'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it's not like anyone actually ever uses tiertalk, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Why would all those people even bother to turn it off? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe someone trolled that channel a while back.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, that's why I have spouse off'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife has spouse channel off irl'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'cause I troll that channel'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like the Republicans are going to have homefield advantage in the Goobernational All-Star game.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, I just realized Hanslanda was serious.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 're: linda mcmahon'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'didn't she lose?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what I said, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, I must have misunderstood'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, but I figured he was just talking about some publicity stunt.  Like when they "sold" the WWE to donald trump'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or that they just happened to share the same name'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think they've called one swing state yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Really?  Now CNN analysts are basing their predictions based on what's happening on Twitter'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I figured they'd at least call New Hampshire by now, even though I've never understood why it was a swing state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '62% O 36.8% R in NH with 7% of the votes counted. I say Obama's got it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's still up by double digits in Ohio as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I spent a bunch of time building my own map on rcp, and I never once gave NH to Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think I need to get out more :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't say much with 7%... unless there's strong polling beforehand.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'same with Wisconsin, everyone says it's in play, I just can't see how, regarless of recalls, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heh.  In NC, Obama has gotten 99% of the vote from black women, according to exit polls.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'exit polls are kind of unreliable'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised that number isn't 100%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... I wonder if those red coastal states realise what they'd get with a gop fema...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, Uncle Tom was expected to get married, too.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'GOP Fema? Romney wanted to dismantle FEMA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'After Sandy, he refuses to answer questions about FEMA:'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoa. North Carolina is basically a dead head.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's really close'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he wouldn't dismantle FEMA. It's the government's means of population control.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it is a swing state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'McCrory giing victory speech for NC governors race'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They were giving NC fairly comfortably to Romney in the last few weeks'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, and he needs it if he wants to win'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They didn't even consider NC a swing state last election, when it went blue for the first time in 40 years :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last I look, the mittens was white :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, he needs other things, but all of the winning scenarios I've seen have automatically given him VA and NC'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Was the closet state last year, in terms of total vote difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'last election*...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it'll come down to ohio, since I don't think PA is in play, but ohio won't matter if he doesn't win nc and va'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ohio looks like a win to Obama. Obama still leads double digits with 7% of the vote counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but only 7% counted'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just depends on what 7%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With 44% of the vote counted, Romney's taking Virginia almost double digits.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, even though I'm not a fan of Obama, I doubt that romney will win'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He was ahead by 40 percentage points in SC for a while, and isn't expected to win it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't seen anything that has put romney strongly ahead in the key states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'CNN projecting that republicans will keep control of the house'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'ahead by 40%? typo?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nah, just the votes that were in were in the blue part of the state.  Based the projection on exit polls, though, I would imagine.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wow, Florida is really close too, closer than I thought it'd be at this point'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if Florida keeps on at this rate, they might be in a recount situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'aren't they one of the states that automatically recount if it's 1% different or less?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Florida alone out of the tossup states would put Obama at 270, according to the NY Times, if all the "narrowly expected to win" states go as predicted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'unless I added wrong'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Florida won't matter if Obama wins Ohio.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when I was doing the maps, florida was one of those states that Romney needed '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, what Yuna said'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He'd still need 11 more out of the tossup states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(defined by NY times)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if he loses FL, VA, NC any one of those will put him out of the race, most likely'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unless things went so perfectly for him, but that probably won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney's currently winning Virginia double digits.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Florida's a toss up and Obama's currently leading NC.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but they're held up because of Fairfax, which apparently is a very democratic precinct'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I only know that because I just saw it on t.v. :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is Fairfax also very alrge?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'My ticker shows romney up by less than 200 votes in NC with 78% of the vote counted'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure if it's large enough to swing the vote there, but it's a pretty large precinct'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, MO looks to be sending one dem and one repub to the senate'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'nope that was FL. sorry'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where the fuck is Fairfax county?! Can't find a proper map of it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'let me go look again'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yah. Obama's winning double digits in NC atm.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe it was nc that I was looking at and got confused'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How the heck does NC have that many voters?  Total population is less than 10 million...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to HP, Fairfax county has, like, 300,000 votes or some shit o_O.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no , it looks like it's in va'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'I hope Orrin Hatch goes down in Utah. Heard him speak here recently. Crazy old man'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'double digits, Yuna?  Maybe in total votes, not percentage'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh wait, I misread. Not NC. Ohio.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they just called PA for Obama, which I figured would happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'ah, nods'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it's the first swing state I've seen called'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'PA's too early imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '68% O with 11% accounted for.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think PA was ever a real swing state, but I'm not a political analyst'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda tries to ask with a straight face how well Gary Johnson's doing, but just can't pull it off.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and yeah, Florida is one of the automatic recount states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and according to RCP, Florida is literally tied at the moment'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '... im from FL'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you're tied at the moment :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'apparently 49.6 even, though I'm not sure how the math on that works out....'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sounds perfect :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'out come i was going for '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, if this election takes the next week to call, I'm coming down there!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there should be a aard gathering in fl'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to RCP, McCaskill is leading Akin, but only 2% of the votes have been counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'fox is saying that the republican's will maintain control of the house'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of networks are projecting gop control of house'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'somebody's gotta vote for Gary Johnson, Razkin :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'gary johnson is a libertarian, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they called Wisconsin for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '538 seems to have been wrong on Virginia, but there's still a chance for Obama to win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I hate to be cliche, but I still think it's coming down to Ohio, and everything i've read give Obama a very slight edge in Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not enough of an edge that I'd bet on it, but enough that'd I'd weight it in his favor'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's up by 7% in Ohio with 22% of the vote accounted for.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no tears, please :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Florida's still a fucking dead heat at 77%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bummer'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'they said people are still in line. 2 hours after the polls closed'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney's leading in NC with 2.6% with 56% of the vote accounted for.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, they're already freaking out that FL's gonna steal the race.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just have a bad feeling that Florida is going to a recount'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a tradition :>'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a bad tradition'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama up by 0.4% in Florida with 84% of the vote counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mittens is sure to call for a recount if he loses by that much :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw a news blurb today where the speaker pointed out that the elections result in 2000 where held for 36 days (gasp!). The idiot didn't know that it took 6 months to declare Lincoln president.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Lincoln did a good job at debating Douglas'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but the point is that there is nothing in the constitution that requires an instantaneous vote count.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I just heard that it's .5% that triggers the recount in Florida, so I'm not sure which is correct'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Fl is most likely to be contested, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but since at this point it's .4% difference...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It might not matter Ohm'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'repubs have lost WI and NH, making it kinda tough for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh so if he were to take FL, it might not matter'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, although, again, I can't understand why people ever thought either of those was a contested state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney has to win VA, NC, and FL , or Ohio doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's probably going to take VA and NC, but FL is so close that it might knock Romney out'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but if Romney wins Ohio, and just barely loses FL, I agree, there will be a lot of lawyering going on'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney is still almost 1million up in the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'won't it be ironic if we get a repeat of 2000 but reversed by party'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'how much did Gore win the vote by?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who cares? Not all votes have been counted, especially not those from the blue states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'was it that much?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'half a million'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not saying it'll happen, Yuna  But if the trend continues'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '15K votes separation in FL with 85%'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and even though there's some big blue states coming up, you also have a couple of large red states that can match them'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh that's nice...Iowa ran out of ballots.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What "trend"? Absolutely nothing of what's happened insofar has been unexpected.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the trend of the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, as far as electoral votes go, nothing has surprised me yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, that's because of the states whose votes have been counted insofar are red states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, but you have new york and pa that are big blue states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and california coming up, but so is texas'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'texas could keep romney in the lead for the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in a way, I hope it does happen, as strange as that sounds'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'since Gore lost, the Democrats have hated the electoral college, and the Republicans have supported it, if it's reveresed, maybe they'll change the way votes are counted, but it's probably more fantasy than reality on my part'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the states would not support the amendment because they would lose control of the presidency.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I dont' forsee it ever going to a popular vote, but I'd be happy even if they'd split the electoral votes within the states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never liked the all or nothing model'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'same rejection, same reason.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, it's probably just fantasy on my part, but I'm still allowed to dream'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so quit crushing my dreams >:('
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for those of you that hate Todd Akin, McCaskill just got the call'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'On the flip side, the Democrats have wrested 2 Senate seats from Republicans insofar.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I'm not sure if the Senate will change much, but I'll be honest, I haven't followed the senate races that closely'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ohio's getting closer and closer the more votes are counted, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, like I said earlier, I think Obama will just squeek by in Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but even if he loses it, he's still in a better position than Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney would still need to take Florida and some other state, like Colorado or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't urban counties generally report later?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which I don't see happening'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, don't urban counties generally trend democrat?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'as a rule of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All Obama needs is 122 electoral votes. Because California is his already.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I don't care if the California polls haven't closed yet. That's 55 electoral votes Obama can't possibly lose.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, Romney needed to win the south swing states, Ohio, and one other'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'doable, but still a big stretch'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Southern Swing States?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, I meant 222.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'florida's the only southern swing state isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'VA, NC, and FL'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'nc/va aren't fully southern'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm... I've done the western swing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but people tend to call them southern states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I know what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How in the WORLD are WV and NC SOUTHERN swing states?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'was it the Mason Dixon line that divided them originally from north and south?  '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know it's antiquated, but the division still holds'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I might have my history mixed up, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'I think you're right Razkin'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama is pulling away slightly in FL'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the gap is now 50K votes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's kind of like in Illinois, we call the lower 2/3 of the state 'Southern', even though that's not true'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Absolutely no surprises insofar. I say Romney's still a huge longshot to win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'as i see it, romney wins NC/V, and not a lot else out of the so-called battlegrounds'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, Kraken'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am no pundit, but FL + OH means doom for the mittens.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and even if he does, I can't see him winning Colorado, and definately none of the other swing states left'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I agree with Kraken.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet he wins AZ :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but that won't help him'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AZ's a swing state now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is winning AZ by a landslide :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'AZ's not a swing state. or, if it is, then it's game over for republicans'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's not a swing state, is a state that wants to put immigrants in prison. A very republican way of thinking :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'It isn't, but it's getting there. (az)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney won all the votes from Nebraska, which was something somoene earlier asked about '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying Texas is getting there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'My district in northern az is quite liberal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arizona as of late is one of the mos right-wing states in the country.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As I see it, Romney can't possibly win this anymore. Florida's going to Obama, so worst case scenario, it'll come down to a Florida re-count, that'll ultimately give Obama victory. But that's not gonna happen, because Ohio's going to Obama as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the margin for Obama in OH is much more comfortable than in FL.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but if Obama win's Ohio, it's game over for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, things could swing, but I agree, I don't personally think that'll happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, if Obama wins FL, OH, or VA, it's over for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's not winning VA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for Romney to win, he has to take all of those, and something like Colorado'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, current trend puts Obama slightly pulling away from the mittens in FL, also. But it's a crawl.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Other than that, though, Obama's got it in the bag.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's possible. the northern, urban areas still can put him over the top'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'unlikely, but possible'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it is possible that all the trending is wrong, one way or the other :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still 21% of votes to go and almost a 3% gap. Survey says "No" (VA).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe that Obama has lost VA'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When was the last time California went Red, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I like those 55 safely blue electoral votes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think it happened during a solar flare, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'isn't oregon/washington safe too?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, a long time ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oregon and Washington are safe, yah.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no clue how many votes they have'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '1988'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, CA did elect a lot of republican governors...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'bush I won california?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'looks like it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he had 436 EV'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'who was he against? mondale?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I'd have to look that up, but that sounds right'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol. Apparently, California voted All R 1972-1988. And then it switched over and it's been All D since 1992.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, and I am amazed you remembered his name :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Madale/Ferraro'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it was on the tv earlier :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Wasn't Bob Beckle Mondale's strategist?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's a big political commmentator nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well there hasnt been an actor/rep candidate since reagan'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is not clear he had a strategist :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'almost completely off the topic, but Arnold is making another movie, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'well, he's not got any other real job any moer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'based on his recent autobiography?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, no'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last I heard he has stopped production. Can't remember the reason.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I hadn't read that, but I don't really keep up on him'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'was just something I happened to read a couple weeks ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'RCP is calling 163 electoral votes to Obama. Only 59 more to go before the magic number (since California's 55 is his to lose).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no reason for my thoughts, but I can't see Obama losing CA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '163? my tv's showing 162'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is Missouri a battleground state or something? Nobody's called it yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'MO was called a long time ago,I thought'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'too many immigrants in CA that are afraid it might turn into another AZ.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, what time is it ET?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh you're right, it hasn't been called'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '10.30?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'type realtime, Yuna :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MUD time is ET?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When was the last time a New England voted R?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't seen anyone claim that MO would go anything besides R'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'lasher lives in florida, or used to :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(ANY NE state)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it hasn't been called'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'NE is projected 100% for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'bush won NH in 2000'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'may have been another one since, dunno'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thsoe turncoats!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just heard NE was called, all of it , for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'check the map again, it's all blue :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'new england, not nebraska'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, sorry  :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in that case, I'd agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nevada's blue, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I forgot the NE is Nebraska. I meant N.E.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nevada was a swing state, but I think it'll go blue'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As I see it, Romney can't win anymore going by math.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no count on NV yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't seen one poll that ever put it at anything more than tied'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's NV?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, Nevada'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, polls are bound to be wrong. I wouldn't pop the cork on the champagne yet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but with Nevada, they were all like 6 points or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and although polls aren't always right, they're a lot better than most people like to give credit for'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'D.C. is hilarious. With 48% of the votes counted, 91.7% has voted Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'depending on the poller, of course'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in the conservative polls (the ones that are not making way out predictions) Obama trails by 11 EV'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'government workers voting for people who don't actively hate the government.. shockig.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romey could still win, I just don't personally think it'll happen, but it's close enough in some states that there's an outside shot'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the gap in FL is now 100K+ votes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but if he loses Florida or Ohio, then it's not even a chance'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '49.9 - 49.3 according to the bbc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ohio's getting closer, by the looks of things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's the gap.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but if .5% is the cut off, then that's more than enough not to go into automatic recount'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'obama's lead is shrinking, but is still twice as big as florida's'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does D.C. have only the one precinct?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama leads OH by 50K votes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I believe so'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'what do you mean by precint?  I don't think they have any representation in either the house or senate'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they don't.. but they have 3 EC votes i think'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'had to look, but yeah, it's 3'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'every state has at least 3.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or whatever the heck they call "Parts of the city/state where you vote".'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's 1 per senator and 1 per representative.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and each state has 2 senators, and at least 1 representative.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'DC is an exception, granted by an amendment like 40 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'before that, they didn't have any EVs'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still hilarious. I was looking for states that had voted 70% or more for one candidate. None has... except D.C. (which isn't a state, granted).'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They have no senators'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'territories also have representatives, right?  They just don't vote?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'some of the southern states may do.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'territories have always confused me when it comes to things like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'non-voting delegates to congress i think'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it seems complex.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they vote for candidates in primaries, but not in the presidential election'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I've never been able to remember all of that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'they have a congressional delegate (non-voting), but no represenatives or senators'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does anyone know why the West Coast is so solidly blue?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Hollywood '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Razkin D
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the have more sense than the rest of the country?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure if that arguement would hold up'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hollywood controls all of the West Coast?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, California may be the only state in the nation in more debt than my state, and we're both pretty hardcore liberal states'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '"coastal elites aren't real murikkans"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The heck. RCP just called 184 ECs for Romney (up from 163)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you know the reason california's in debt?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The reason California's in debt is because of Republican mismanagement...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'have a look at their initiative process/state constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'arnold is the reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'majority initiatives to cut taxes/raise spending.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eva Longoria put it this way:  When I was a waitress waiting to make it big in Holliwood, I needed a tax break. Now that I've made it, I don't need it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who won massachusett'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2/3 majority needed to raise taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see what states RCP just called for Romney.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'obama/warren'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'she was referring to Romney's idea of spearing the rich from paying taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'ouch'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama/Warren won Mass.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Bye, Scott!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a theory he'll be back if kerry becomes SoS'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, MA doesn't carry the day but it is certainly a psychological blow.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats would have to hurt a little, as governor'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arizona to go to Romney. No surprises there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'florida is back within a half percent'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama was always going to win Massachussets.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'apparantly, he's 1-4 in the states where he has houses'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody ever doubted that he would.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, AZ believes he will get the JD off their backs :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama is also set to win Wisconsin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So he's set to win both Romney's and Ryan's states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how did he become governor then, seems odd'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'depends how you define romney's state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heck, he's winning Ryan's home county.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hes fine for governor, but not president?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's HILARIOUS.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'modi - remember, he has a record as governer.. that record wasn't good'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney the Governor is so far removed from Mitt Romney the presidential candidate Massachussets can't possibly vote for him.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney is still up in the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'mass residents were going to vote him out if he'd tried for re-election'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'razkin - california!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'texas!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney the presidential candidate is openly demonizing Obamacare, a system he introduced in Massachussets PRIOR to Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'texas is called isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but only 35% reporting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'better than 0% in california. polls are still open there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it's so strongly republican, I think in the popular vote it'll cancel out california'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so they elected the moderate, not the conservative romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I could be wrong, we'll know in a little while'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's 55mill in california, 40 mill in texas?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'something like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so it won't cancel out fully.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm banking on more turning out on texas'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'MO, IA and MN are runaway trains :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'more republican than democrats that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, I could be wrong, we'll see'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless something drastic happens, Obama's not winning Ryan's district.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but he's up by something like 1.5 mill, so i'm not sure if california is enough to win obama the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what Romney needed was a low voter turnout, there are more registered Dems than Reps, so low turnout favors the Reps.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to HuffingtonPost's tracker Romney's taking the 1st congressional district of Wisconsin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'is ryan winning his house race or not?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on the low voting, I'd agree.  Most of the republican analysts were banking on a lower turnout'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can run for the House AND VP?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And apparently, yes, he's winning.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They should be calling NC soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'shame :( that'd be *really* funny'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hasn't been called yet, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '80k gap, only ~220k votes uncounted'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And lots in blue counties'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the nation seems pretty split into regions, maybe we should just make two countries out of the usa, red usa/blue usa'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's winning the biggest county in Ryan's district, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well bad idea, blue owns the coasts'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I agree on N.C. No way Obama can win anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only 4% of votes left to go and he's 1.8% behind.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still think it comes down to Ohio and Colorado'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'actually, I misspoke.  Though Obama was up for some reason :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it does, then Obama's already won.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But since when is Colorado a battleground state?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, that's why I don't think Romney can win'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the demographics have changed enough in Colorado to give Obama the edge'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I dislike how Ohio's getting closer the more votes are counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you're pulling for Obama, and I don't think Obama needs Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Romney needs Ohio, Obama doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at least not now that some of the swing states have gone in his favor'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama doesn't need Ohio. But if he wins Ohio, he'll have won outright. So we wouldn't have to worry about the other battleground states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, yeah, it would make any recount in Florida meaningless'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Obama takes Ohio, the math checks out and he's basically declared winner.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is currently at +23'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '+23%? What state?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or 23k votes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is +23 EV'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Romney needs 99 EV to win the presidency.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not gonna happen... ever.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're saying that Florida might be won by less than 10k votes'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'current lead is Obama by 36K'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Darn Nate Silver, calling 49 out of 50 states correctly again. Why not 50?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if Cubans weren't so virulently conservative, Romney would have been wiped  out already :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the fuck is Maine so slow to report?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still 30%?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama in ME by a landslide'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But Maine's still ridiculous slow to count their votes. Only 30% of votes have been reported insofar.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is that possible for such a teeny tiny state?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nothing beats District of Columbia, though. 91.7% for O.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they know what's going on, and they seem to like it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if you don't pay attention, living in the capital makes you familiar with how politics works :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, Obama got 92.46% of the vote last time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, obviouly he pissed a few off :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Kerrey got 89% in 2004 and Gore 85% in 2000.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Confirmation bias: all the young liberals go there for law/politics careers, and the conservatives avoid it for the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Romney 186 confirmed EV. Needs 84.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no Wiki for D.C. POTUS votes prior to 1992. Did D.C. not have voting rights for POTUS in 1988 or something?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They did, starting in like 64 or so '
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I'm not mistaken'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'whenever the 23rd amendment was passed, which I know wasn't in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For every single election since 92, D.C. has voted at least 84% for the D candidate, BTW.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to Wiki, D.C. has only participated in presidential elections since 1992 and presidential primaries since 2004.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, new reading: Romney is at 186, but Obama just surged to 225.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That or they only have articles for those years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'RCP just called California and Washington for Obama with 0% of votes counted :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '240 according to RCP. What are you reading, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NC just called for Romne with 99% of the votes counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama trails the popular vote by 3M :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because California and Washington haven't been counted yet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If my math checks out, even without Florida, Obama should have 290 ECs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVs'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'are you giving him ohio?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me correct that, Obama trails popular vote by 15M'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Strike that, 284'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, I'm giving him Nevada.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean Ohio'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama: 229 Romney 190'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I must say I can't see Obama losing OH'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think it's going to end up being 290 to 248, myself'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I suppose there's an outside chance of 272, but I woouldn't bet on it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama has 260 EVs even without Ohio.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'romney still winning popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow Romney got spanked in PA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, CA and WA not yet account for.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'have any of the 4 gay marriage referendums been projected?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I still dont' understand why they thought that was a swing state'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those are some huge and hugely blue states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'insane how many votes california gets'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'huge population'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'they have a lot of people'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'i live here and i think its insane'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Right now, he doesn't need VA, FL, or OH, assuming he wins CO, NV, and OR'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'CA is the size of an independent country :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'as they are bankrupt and what not, they should get dick'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the largest state by population.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he'll definately win Oregon'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '37 fucking million. That's more than the Nordic countries COMBINED.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if CA goes under, so does the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ronin- you live in PA?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's definitely winning CN.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'romney spent a lot of money in PA in the last few weeks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or CO or whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, CN is Connecticut and CO is Colorado, right? O's winning both.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'CO is colorado'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'ct is connecticut'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So CN is nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you could put another N on there, I suppose :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'RCP is calling 250 ECs for Obama with Florida and Ohio still not called.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(And without Colorado, Nevada or Oregon called)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Ohio called for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so it's over'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '250 + CO, OR and NV gives him 272.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Called by whom? Not RCP.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Fox'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but they've been calling basically the same as RCP'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol. If Fox called it, it's truly over.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, he's down by almost 2% at 70% reporting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I doubt he'd make it up'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trollololol, Romney won VA, but Tim Kaine (D-VA) won a Senate seat.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's not that uncommon'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nbc is calling it, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, technically, the race isn't lost yet. With 12% of the vote to go, Romney's lead is less than 1%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but they call it once they get to 97% statistical surety, I guess you could say'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so it could change, but not very likely'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol Fox news. They're calling 262 ECs for Obama while RCP is only calling 257 ATM.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did Fox News experience a hostile liberal takeover?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think so, but aren't they owned by cbs or something, or maybe abc'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Fox News is owned by the Fox Corporation, surprisingly enough.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All owned by Rupert Murdoch'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought someone else owned them, hrm'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama won. Hey, congrats to those of you Obama fans. But, please try to govern with everyone in mind over the next four years - and to not use the power of the federal government to force too much on people who dont want it.. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I don't think Obama is going into a second term with a mandate'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It was just declared by basically every network.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'okay so nbc/cnn/fox news calling ohio for obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox just pretty much conceded the election. 275 for Obama.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Fox News calls Obama the winner.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still want to see what the popular vote turns out to be'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeup, and according to swing state guide, obama can't lose now'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It really doesn't matter. A split in that only tears the nation apart. I hope Obama gets the popular vote too, now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'surprisingly enough, I agree with you'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not like it hasn't happened like 3 out of the last 4 election'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's why I hate all these recounts that seem to happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It seems Romney won the state where the Democrats held their convention while Obama's gonna win the state where the Republican ditto was held.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, the Democrats won. Just remember, though, with great power - you'll be held responsible what happens in the next four years. 2016 will happen. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Unless the planet blows up on December 21st hehe'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the Republican keep playing Obstructionist Politics, it's on their heads.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, the houses are close enough that 2014 could be interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But I look forward to you accusing Obama or being a bad leader for not being able to convince the Republicans to not be ostructionists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So you think the Republicans in the Senate and Congress should lead?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm confused, who is the leader - who sets the tone? The president or ...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's astounding how bad your reading comprehension is if that's what you got out of what I said.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the CFR?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or if you think Obama can just dictate what laws to enact in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, I just want to know who you think should lead and reach out accross the isle?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The whole system must be rejected'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your definition of "reaching out across the aisle" is basically "Do whatever the Republicans want".'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The liberals fault the conservatives, the conservatives the liberals.  The bigger picture is that they're all incompetent'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, its not. Who should be the leader? I really am confused, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holding the U.S. hostage unless your demands are met is all on the Republicans' heads.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So wait, you think the Republicans should just cave in on everything?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just... go away.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ahahaha. Tod Akin lost.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'wow... what a horrible straw man'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yuna, you have no plan. I dont think you really understand. All you do is pin all the problems on the Republican party. All I think most Americans ask for is for the President to learn to include people who don't agree with him in legislation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'All I am asking is for Obama to work together with Republicans so they won't have to be obstructionist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans have absolutely no plans. None. Obama had plans. The Republicans blocked them. SHUT THE FUCK UP.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yuna, i just typed 'ignore november' - i suggest you do the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Night!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So they won't "have to be obstructionist"?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are officially clinically insane.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'honestly, all of the problems ARE on the republican party. They have obsructed nearly everything that we've tried to do as  a country, and have vowed endlessly to repeal what progress we actually have made.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quarupus, it helps relieve stress to be able to legitimate go off on his insane ramblings.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK what plans? He has not passed a budget...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone is clinically insane.  Kill off half of them and the world won't be any better.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Saric, what do you think about Benghazi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not as a shortfall of liberals, but of the POTUS and administration in general'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I think it's a tragedy, why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well then, I just don't think you've learned from what people really want - which is for parties to work together.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stonewalling information from the American people is the tragedy'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Clearly, it's OBAMA's fault that the Republicans HAD to be obstructionist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps that's what turned people off the gop...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama could give in to some things to gain some of their support. The Gipper did this all the time. People love him to this day, including many Democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'there is no evidence of stonewalling, besides, you're completely changing the subject, which is republican obstructionism to any bill attempting to solve our nations problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Remember, 'half a loaf of bread is better than none at all'. Clinton did it too!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, the concern is not the party in administration'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The concern is that the administration fails the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think the most popular presidents learned to work with the other party.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That is their purpose'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The peripheral noise is which party is in the White House'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no plans except to say no. You can only reach across the aisle when the other guys actually have demands beyond "whatever you're not offering"'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, you might need a new pretitle!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'It's all Obama's fault.  We'll win 2016 on that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November's nugget of "wisdom" of "All I am asking is for Obama to work together with Republicans so they won't have to be obstructionist." has been added to my desc for future posterity.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha there are hard liner assholes sitting in hotel rooms right now discussing how to block every initiative possible'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will NEVER let him live it down.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Both parties have plans, but if you're leading the country and they won't vote for you - you should find out why and see if you can make a deal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh lord, there's a chance ohio might go into a triggered recount >.<'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's not a quote of mine Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'most people on the left admit that Obama went very center in the last four years.  He might be arrogant, but he gave ground on issues.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Now you're being dishonest as well as rude.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, November?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it wont matter'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"All I am asking is for Obama to work together with Republicans so they won't have to be obstructionist." is a quote of yours STRAIGHT OFF.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'C+P:ed'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree it won't matter, but it's the last thing we need'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's still avaiable in debate -h.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ahh sorry, yes, that is what I said. Apologies. Yes, he should work with them so they don't have to be obstructionist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you actually clinically insane?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This keeps getting better and better! I'm gonna edit my desc again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Working together to solve problems, if you can't agree to that, then I just dont know what to say.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, once you spam it out of history, he can start denying it again!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'only psychos cling too far to the left or right'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'too true, Modi.  It's the sociopaths who change up to get what they want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, I did say that - I just read it the wrong way when repeated.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The political system needs an overhaul, rather its members. Until then, the climate has devolved to worse than sports rivalries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And whats wrong with it? Working together to get people who disagree with you to join up with you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sure, November. Sure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, you still ahve absolutely no defense to the fact that 30 Republican senators voted no against a bill that allowed U.S. government workers who are raped overseas to report the crime.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a difference between disagreement on issues and disagreeing for the heck of it...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Party of No just votes No on any and all bills Obama puts forth on principle. What the FUCK is Obama supposed to do? Ask them to dictate 50% of the bills?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm sure there was some reason. Cite please?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Give them free power?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've cited that statement 3 times already in your presence. Go Google it yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, he should find out why and change the bill just a little to get their support.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or you're just clinically insane.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when was the last time a party has threatened to bring the country to bankruptcy over policy disagreements?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chemosh, where are you?! I miss you!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it certainly helps matters when a bill about rape can have amendments to buy $200 toilet seats can be added to it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It had no amendments added to it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Link please? I dont know of such a bill. You brought it up, you cite it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seeing as how you forget waht you yourself said only 5 minutes prior, why am I not surprised?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok, look I apologized for misreading what I said already. Forgive me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  It's a real potential in the overall system.  We can balance the budget to unanimous agreement, but one side is going to vote it down because it, say, outlaws abortion.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I stand by it too. Obama should work with Senate Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the system works well, folk just need to be forced to stay on-topic.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'https://www.google.se/search?q=30+republicans+rape+bill+overseas&oq=30+republicans+rape+bill+overseas&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=30+republicans+%22anti-rape+bill%22&oq=30+republicans+%22anti-rape+bill%22&gs_l=serp.3..0i8i30.7852.10210.0.10307.16.16.0.0.0.0.89.792.16.16.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.RS77PAOd0nI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=d1d2dc02003eb0be&bpcl=37643589&biw=1180&bih=968'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The goal isn't to balance the budget'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'holy cow ok one second'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's like any shortfall'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not for want of any measure or regulation; they just aren't doing it'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then ponder why'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dubya did it, Obama did it; they're all culpable'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK I'm on a shit connection in the middle of the California desert. Give me a second.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok well, that's just loading for a bit - put that on the back burner. On its face value I wouldn't agree with it but I will read it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And you said 30, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well there must have been what 11 or 12 other GOP senators right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama: 265, Romney : 200'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look I didn't say he had to work with every GOP, just a few that he needs to break a fillibuster.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THAT's your fucking defense?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heh, everyone might have gotten Ohio wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't ALL vote against the anti-rape bill?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THAT's how we're playing it?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You are seriously disturbed in the head.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama-Biden's slowly chipping away at Romney-Ryan's popular vote lead, BTW.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK this is still loading. I'll read it and talk about it some other time, promise.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah I really hope it isn't split.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'Further dooming us all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the fuck is loading a simple website taking you so long?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dialup'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I got a lot of shit open, and its just slow (bad connection in the middle of nowhere)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for a savvy, modern person, you sure are clueless about some things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, was afk, but yeah, Obama is only about 250k behind Romney'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think I know what my technical problem is, hehe. OK I'll read it and get back to you soon.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My desc is full.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you get off on the rape-thing. Unless I feel like removing the WeaponGuy quotes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, the laptop is just overheated. One moment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hanslanda, even on Dial-up, unless he's constantly torrenting, opening a simple webpage shouldn't take 10+ fucking minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'children, what a topic for debate :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'walking tax levies for folk who don't have 'em.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'John Kerrey lost his Senate seat o_O'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless that's some OTHER Kerrey...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought it was John Kerry, and that he was a Massie senator?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah. BOB Kerrey.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, it's John Kerry.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'We can debate on wether or not i should A) Keep working my crap job and barly getting by- or B) Quit the job, and just skim by on the governments dime.. Can't beat em join em... .. debate!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It depends. Do you want to live on even LESS money?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do both.  It's not fraud until you get caught.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Ok here's the full link to the bill. CPU is back to normal temps. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00308'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think you can download the bill here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, November?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And your defense is?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'First, can you confirm I have the right bill?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I'm not going to read this and then find out later I have the wrong one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Corporations should be able to require their employees to sign away any and all legal rights they wish them to sign away"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, that's the one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did I miss something?  I thought the link you gave was the rape bill?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK, I'll read it and I'll let you know how I feel on it. But if it is as you say, then I'd probably agree with you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll have to amend one part of my statement, though:'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No government funds shall go to companies that restrict, among other things, a woman's right to report rapes committed against them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But, you don't need 30 republicans, your party only needed 2 or 3 to get things passed. Clinton and Reagan could do it, I think asking Obama to it as well is not too much.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THAT.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is NO defense to their "No" votes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well that's the point we were arguing before that right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'wow'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The bill PASSED. But 30 Republicans still vote "No".'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That you couldn't get 30 republicans to vote with Obama and they are obstructionist?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, there's something you don't know'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So SHUT UP about you BLAMING Obama for not reaching across the aisle when it's so clear that the Republicans are voting "No" on Democratic bills ON PRINCIPLE.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's a huge feminist movement here, which is just veiled mysandry'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well not all republicans did on this one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, by some measures, there are no more centre-right republicans in the house or senate...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"rapes" can now be "buyer's remorse"'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The female republicans voted Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Not ALL of them were obstructionsits this time!".'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What a BRILLIANT defense.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'You see, Obama can reach accross the isle and get their vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'atleast someone is voting on principal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It can happen.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, you are officially touched in the head. There is no other explanation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'It just needs to happen a lot more.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, I haven't read the bill yet - Yuna has already - so I'm not at an advantage here on this one. But, I would generally vote against such a thing if that is the case.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can happen like israel can get an al qaeda leader to support them...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some things just aren't happening...'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you just say you'd vote AGAINST the bill?'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'So, Obama can work with Republicans and Conservatives, my point being he needs to do so more now that he's been re-elected.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'clearly he did.  Demrage, max power!'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well I haven't read it. I'm not Nancy Pelosi. I don't know how I'd vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama was been declared the unofficial winner 284 to 280 so far'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The bill is one step in a series of steps to emasculate males'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '284 to 200'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not bad per se, but will start an avalanche backed by man-hating feminists and manboobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there were centrist republicans that he could work with in the first place... Those got primaried into oblivion already'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not a bad margin for a mandate, but I am sure it will be reduced.'
T3/r7/2012-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like talking to a wall. No matter what, it will always be Obama's fault and the Republicans are doing nothing wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no moderates anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dems spent at least 4 years parroting the same argument about Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are plenty among the dems... a minority, but they do exist'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Too much of a "liability"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone have a source that tells us about the 4 amendments to state constitutions regarding same-sex marriage?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Do you think Democrats act the same way? Or is every problem the Republican's fault?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My principles are somewhere in the middle, but I don't subscribe to the current system'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Neo-cons vs. commies is what we have'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, Maine voted in favour of same-sex marriage, surprise, surprise.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'everyone thinks their principles are in the middle'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't met anyone who thinks he's a crazy extremist yet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Most young people are proud be liberals, and people tend to become more conservative with age'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Thought and reality are two different things'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I haven't met any who think they're extremists, period.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maine voted 54.4% in favour of repealing a same-sex marriage ban (surprise, surprise). Only 46% of votes have been counted, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't self-brand as "extremist", but their ideology places them as such'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"extremist" is one of those words that means "across the line over there, but not me"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Like "slut"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or "conspiracy"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With 50% of the votes counted, it's 51.8% - 48.2% in Washington on whether or not same-sex marriage should be legalized.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'debate In Minnesota, a bill to BAN same-sex marriage is currently losing 49.3% to 46.5%'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And in Maryland, a law to allow same-sex marriage is currently going 51.5% - 48.5% for the "Yes" side.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(84% of votes reported)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like good news.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, we're currently 4 out of 4. Some a really close, though, with lots of votes to go.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It will eventually pass, for better or worse'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But as people have pointed out, rural areas are generally the first ones to report their votes with the urban areas counted last and urban areas are generally more liberal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'This bill is an ammendment to the Defense Appropriations Act, probably so that the Senate can pass it before it goes on to the President I take it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No longer will the Republicans and other anti-gay forces claim that same-sex marriage rights have always been voted down by the people after this election!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Now, I believe the Defense Appropriations Act is the budget for the DoD, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '4 out of 4 bills going the Gay Mafia's way would also send a strong message.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Women are a major voting bloc, you can thank them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trollololol.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that what the people want isn't necessarily ironclad?  The people might overwhelmingly vote to give marriage rights to hershey hounds, but the new legislature might just pass a law going the opposite way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's leading in  Virginia at the moment!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh my fucking god, those urban areas are really going to give Obama Virginia.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama has been declared the winner...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can calm down, he already's won re-election.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Doubt it Hans; too strong a feminist agenda'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but this will mean that Nate Silver called 50 out of 50 states correctly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK, this bill is very long and complicated. I'm no legislator. But, generally speaking if what Yuna says is right then I would side with the 70 that voted the ammendment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and while he may still lose the popular vote there is no doubt in the EV.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not just about winning, it's also about crushing your opponent. Obama taking Virginia is just too funny.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would mean that, what, every single swing-state voted for Obama?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seiph: 'a sad day in america for sure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Single, educated, urban women will always vote liberal - they're a big bloc of groupthinking lemmings'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well, is North Carolina a swing state?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not so sad for me, I have to say.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, expect the Senate to continue to be held hostage by the Republicans. Democrats can't possibly get a super majority anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Negligible for certain things, but bad news down the road'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Still have Virginia and Florida uncalled.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'IN and NC switched to R'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mittens can win them both, it won't matter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's all that matters, Ana.  For the thousands in attendance, and the millions--and MILLIONS!--out there in TVLand, voting for the president really is just a popularity contest.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the heck is IN? Illinois?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Indiana'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oooh.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama carried it in 2008'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lost IN this time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hakuna Sakata bursts into tears.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'To understand this bill, Yuna I'm going to have to read the entire DoD act. Its going to take a while.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, N.C. is counted as a swing-sate. Not Indiana, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the have given OH to Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They have, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I dont think it matters, he can't win with OH anyways. Obama won re-election. Congratulations to the Obama fans.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'check out this quote: There was a great opportunity for a skilled Republican to tap into the electorate's pain and come out as a leader like Bill Clinton did to George Bush, Sr.  Mitt Romney, an out-of-touch, disconnected, businessman is no Bill Clinton.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It really depends on whether or not Obama wins Florida.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney can win if he gets Florida AND Ohio, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not an obama fan, but sure as hell happy that romney did not win. WW3 postponed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think he needed FL, OH, VA and one more.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, OH has been given to Obama. Obama was declared the winner without OH or FL'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh wait, no, that's if he wins Virginia as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But the other ones like CO and IOWA are called Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, he needs another one? Then nvm.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Obama is going to get like 310 votes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'CO and IA went to Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Maybe more.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If he wins Virginia, he's gonna get 313.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I just really hope he wins the popular vote too. I don't want a torn situation here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If he wins Florida as well, it'll be 342'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yep, a smashing win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'OK time to change the title, and remove the bumper-sticker.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama won OH by 2.3%. Rather not close.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'He did'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'How is he still behind in the popular vote? Probably because they haven't counted all of California yet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he doesn't need to win the popular vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's possible to win the presidency yet lose the popular vote if you simply lose the red states by a larger enough margin than you win the blue states.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That's right. It just would repeat 2000.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'But in reverse.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the people don't elect the president, the states do.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but what president wouldn't like to win the popular vote? How does that feel to say you live in a democracy and win the presidency with less than half the vote?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2000 was special.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'not saying the electoral college is all bad, but you really want to win the popular vote'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the US is not a democracy, it's  republic.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'That is a correct statement Anaristos. '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Doesn't mean winning the popular vote isn't important to the President'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'constitutional convention. the founding fathers did not trust an ignorant populace. hence the electoral college'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was only special because democrats expected the courts to side with them, had the state courts side with them, then had the federal courts tell them to STFU.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'then why did they let us vote at all Ohm?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'make the ignorant feel good. they had no other choice'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the votes are internal to the states, the states elect the president.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it makes us feel good, not just the ignorant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'currently the states cast their EV for the winner of the internal popular vote, but there is no constitutional provision to force them to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's true the Founding Fathers were worried about rampant majorities, but what you said about the electoral college is mainly myth. The college was designed to ensure that States have a say in how the President is picked. Nevertheless, the Constitution mandates that each State provide a "republican form of government." The whole Revolution was based on taxation w/o representation. Obviously we are supposed to vote and be heard'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note than in the presidential elections, voters in the states don't vote for the president per se. They vote for a slate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The EC is around to stay. Small states would never vote for an ammendment to the Constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Small in population that is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but we were given a republic, not a democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'So? What does Republican mean?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Citizens elect delegates who act for them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'whatever they say it means'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, regarding my earlier statement about the 4 states voting on same-sex marriage rights...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'As I pointed out before, you change the way the presidency is selected would require a constitutional amendment. The amendment will not pass because they states would lose control of the presidency.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wouldn't it be simpler to just allow 1 vote per person, and count all votes. The most votes win.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maryland and Washington are voting on whether or not to approve laws that have ALREADY PASSED their legislatures that would allow same-sex marriage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, but then that would be a democracy, Ranrr. As I said, the US is not a democracy, it's a republic.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'States have no real control over it now. State powers were wiped out in reconstruction. We should do away with the electoral college'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So when (not if) the voters ultimately approve the laws by majority vote, the laws WILL go into effect (not immediately, obviously).'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'a national recount might be a nightmare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, Ana, forgot about that :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It would still be organized by each state Malkar. But that's a good point. And we would still be republican in that our legislature would be made up on elected delegates'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it is not clear that such an amendment would be stricken down anyway. The states could claim that it violated their rights under the 14USAmend.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'would not*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'an amendment would override that concern Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you cannot pass an amendment that violates rights. Or, rather, the SC would strike it down on those grounds.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'in legal construction more narrow clauses are given fuller effect than broader statements, so an amendment changing the election of the president (which was done many times) would not be in violation of the 14th amendment'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe so. I doubt that they would get 38 states to pass such an amendment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, you could pass an amendment to the constitution violating rights. How could an amendment outlawing abortion be unconstitutional? What you consider a constitutional right is a right only b/c it is possible of being interpreted as such under the Constitution'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yuna did you read this bill? Its like 1000s of pages long (including the DoA act, which it ammends)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, getting 38 states is a problem. The next amendment push will be a backlash against Citizens United, and it's already started'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway the popular vote is narrowing down :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, Alaska's polls haven't even closed yet?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look I'm a Romney fan and I hope it flips.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only 25K separation'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, they're probably at 10 PDT'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Err 10 PST'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's still incredibly close, and I'm sad America is so divided. That we can't find a leader who can actually bring us together'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well that leader has to be Obama, Tipro.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'He will be the President, but it doesn't mean he's a "leader" in the fullest sense of the word. Clearly, Romney was not either'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Romney is irrelevant now. He has to be a leader. He's our? president.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, AK and HI haven't started they count yet. HI has been given to Obama by default.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'AK was way ahead for Romney, it doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I mean someone who can actually bring people together and gather the country behind him. Not get 49.9% of the vote against the other guys 49.9% and say that gives you a mandate'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Hey, it was more than 47%'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and even though it no longer matters, there will not be a recount in FL, the winning margin is .7%'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'They should cancel it. This country is broke. Save the money. Pass a law to change that right away.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And I have to tell you, when this country goes belly-up broke, the whole world is going to change - Thomas Hobbes style probably.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'non-medical pot is now fully decriminalized in Colorado.  How long do you think it'll be before it gets taxed out of reach like cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Police will still charge people with federal possession when possible'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more importantly, how many Coloradans do you think will view it as their hardwon civic duty to not try to avoid paying these higher taxes on their beloved drug by reverting to their bootleg ways?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Police don't enforce federal laws AFAIK'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they do in DC :.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'they do everywhere. They have the option of bringing you up on federal charges if they choose'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DC is not a state.  Literally.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so who won'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, DC is a federal district. But the MPD still enforce locally.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the police has the mandate to enforce any and all the laws of the land.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so that's federal, state, county and city.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Now the fed's are limited in their ability to control state police, but state police can charge you with a federal crime'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering what the Aard vote would have been today. Type "O" or "R".'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'O here'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'L'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You're a clan leader.  Go start a public vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Did that mean something, Lenei?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the hell is L?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just that if you want to know, you can start a poll in your public clan hall on your voting booth, assuming you have one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And all of Aard can vote, and you'll get your answer'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I just asked on this channel is all. '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Some people are not Democrat or Republican.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You can answer the question or not. Your call.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'I think I'm one step closer to becoming Tigernuts. *shudder*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'O passed R in the popular. Finally. Phew.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Is colorado the first state to legalize marijuana completely?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Look it up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'did they thought is was denver'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I believe so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'denver is in colorado...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but not all of colorado'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They legalized it, just wasn't sure if it was legal in any other states'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'After scanning the channel, one thing that's kind of encouraging *not* to see is a bunch of gloating.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Yeah, right now we need a healer in chief. Badly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hard to gloat when you have a tough task ahead.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama has surged by 100K on popular vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh wow completely legal in colorado and washington'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He's still going to pick up over another million in CA'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's true. Though 1M is not really that big a margin.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Well thats what I said like 20 minutes ago. CA hasnt finished counting.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and VA went for Obama in spite of the early readings.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'FUCK YOU Minnesota!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Why are you saying that, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'And did you read this entire bill? Its the entire defense spending bill.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK is the race for the 6th district still so fucking close?! Bachmann is currently leading Graves 50.1% to 49.9% with 68% of the votes counted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, why tax the rich and the big corporations. Let them get a free ride. Let the middle class carry the load. But wait, the US no longer has a middle class. Bummer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'November, you're insane. The republicans voted down that specific amendment on its own, not as part of the package.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'The six page ammendment. Yes, that's right. But to understand why, you'd have to understand the whole picture.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Heh, Nevada actually has a "None of these" option for president.  0.5% of the vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'Maybe there was something in there that they thought was a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you're a partisan insane hack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'No, not really Yuna. On many occasions I've gone against the opinions of Republicans and have and would side with your position.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Romney on November: 'We've agreed to a Voter-ID together, and I probably would agree with you on this bill. Its just long and hard to read.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I oppose any type of national ID.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not a mood to be part of a dictatorship.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's kind of a tricky issue. You need an id to drive a car or to buy a beer, but not to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, and we know what that ID gets you already. The state keeps track of you as closely as they want. Now put that on the federal stage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hey, I see that Rhavage just crossed a state line, let's make a note of that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They're going to know I sit around in my underwear and play video games all day!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, how would anybody know if I crossed a state line?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course any of you who has activated the GPS on their phone is already being tracked. If you don't believe so, read the fine print on the contract :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You know those strips they have in the parking lot at the grocery store that stop you from taking the carts off the lot?  They'll put those on all state lines.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, at least they will put detectors to read the info off your ID.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'shrugs, I personally wouldn't have a problem with that'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'As long as Joe Blow can't get access to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, as a matter of principle it is no one business what one does as long as it is lawful.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But not everyone is doing lawful stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the justification is that they will keep track of me just in case I decide to violate the law?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure.  Isn't that the point of making you register a gun when you buy it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'in case you shoot someone with it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not that everyone agrees with that, of course'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the purpose of a gun is to kill. that is not may purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I suppose I could get in my car, drive from upstate NY to Florida and not make a single call and nobody knows where I am. But then I make a call from Fla and now my location is known. So the question then is... do I really care? Hundreds of millions of us can be tracked the same way.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not making a call is not enough, Rhavage. You also have to keep your phone turned off.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you turn it on when you get where you are going all you did was not let them know how you got there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Either way, should I really care? Do you see a solution? remove gps from phones? '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Think his point is that that stuff is already in place.  Would an ID card really add that much to fight over?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't use gps, I buy Thomas maps.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not that stealthy. '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Every time you use a credit/debit card, "they" know where you are.  Etc.  So not like an ID card would really make that much of a difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not being stealthy. I just use my ability to read maps.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, I can read a map like it was a children's book. I can also read interstate signs. '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then don't activate your gps :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ahahahahahahaha. The Wisconsin Republicans must be having a heart attack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Why not? I don't think the gov't is my enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tammy Baldwin became the first openly gay Senator and will vacate her House Set, which will be taken by Mark Pocan, ALSO openly gay.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the government is not a person, the some persons working for the government may decide to become your enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and frankly, even if they don't become my enemy, just because it is not any of their business where I am.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'As long as you have an address, they've got quite a good line on you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the problem with that knowledge in the hand of those with power is that they don't need a reason to use it. They may use it just because they can. History is replete with examples.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, let them come to my house :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the place to contact me'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I'm sure history is replete with examples of catching dangerous fugitives because they used a credit card or made a phone call.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Unless you're Steve Bartman.  That man can never use a credit card anywhere ever again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Take the information away, and there's no way to abuse having it. Take the information away, but there are still ways to catch criminals.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Poor Steve. Few people have been as unfairly abused.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so let me ask you this, Rahvage. Have you gone to your nearest police station yet and deposited a sample of your DNA?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, I haven't. Why do you ask?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I see people peeing on the police building all the time'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that is one way they can find out who has committed crimes and so by donating your DNA sample you simplify the their task. And since you are a lawful person, it doens't matter that they can track you by DNA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahh, ok. Well, I don't feel any particular need to clear myself in advance.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I agree with you, there is no reason why I shouldn't swipe my id card at designated checkpoints so that the police can now at any given time my relative position.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'know*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That said, it's nearly 1:15 here in the east and I'm dead tired. Night, all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good night, Rhavage :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, Ana :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage waves to all.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Ok folks, check out my new full title.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Gotta love Gary Johnson's concession speech: "Well, you can't blame me for the next 4 years"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(think that was probably before it was decided who was going to win)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'By the way, my title is a joke - I will actually remove it at some point. I'm not that partisan.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an amusing waste of tps!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Thank you! :) TPs should be spent on fun stuff.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will be happy to blame someone else, Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos points excitedly at Rubio on November!
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe the problem was that Sarah Palin endorsed him :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Sarah Palin says that an Obama re-election would represent a 'catastrophic setback' to the US economy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mitten's kiss of death :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Haha. Well, there will be a lot of talk about it. Congratulations again to all the liberals and democrats.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'what is the limit on cursing ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'uh curse channel is sufficent'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'ya but I mean how offensive can I be, I had a feat joke in response to Sarah Palin having an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Heh, FL is still not declared even though 98.6% of the vote has been counted. The only holdout. 49 states are done.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will say this, in most states that Romney won, it wasn't even close :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'so after tonight, has anything really changed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course not :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, now that Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election in 4 years, he can kick some ass if he wants to.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I predict that now, since his economy has really tanked because of his policies, he is in a I dont care what happens mode. He's going to rape the Govt. for all he can and get as much free crap as he can get. Taking the same way as Bush did. Second term means open range to me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'second term means you dont have to answer for anything after you are done.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting result ... the US still believes hollywood is realy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'real*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone happy about the result ? and why ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I am very unhappy with the results becasue I am military. Ive seen first hand how our current leader has handled us. Its not cuts in spending, it's cut in personnel.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fuck you Minnesota. Bachmann won re-election.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is WRONG with Minnesota's 6th congressional district?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney claims he never again shall seek election to public office. Anyone who truly believes that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I do'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why would he lie about that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'hopefully the republican party will have a stronger shift towards Ron/Rand Paul by 2016. The Tea Party is in force and the Ron Paul supporters are powerful'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because he lies about pretty much everything? Also, he changes his mind all the time. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. But it'll probably happen sometime down the road, like, in 2020 or something. Not for POTUS, but poswsibly the House or Senate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why continue beating the man down?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you realize he's 65 right? 2020 he'll be 73'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'b/c no he doesnt "lie about pretty much everything"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You realize we have had senators much older than that, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like Sarah Palin. She kept saying "I'm not gonna run for POTUS" but a few months ago, all of a sudden it was "Never say never. Who knows? Possibly."'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'politicians are liars... nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I for one welcome a Palin/Bachmann ticket. I still wanna slap the 6th congressional district in Minnesota for re-electing Bachmann.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and in the case of romney, everyone knew he wouldn't get elected on the agenda he had to get elected as the republican canditate. The republican party is way too conservative for any replican to get elected right now based on their core beliefs. Any repuclican would have to sway towards the middle like romney did to get elected.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't understand Romney. Why did he sway more to the center while primarying but then became more and more right-wing during the general election?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'actually it's the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'all of a sudden he was agreeing with the democrats come general election'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless I'm very much mistaken, he was more to the center during the primaries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or rather, he didn't outright show how right-wing he is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'during the general election he tried to tone down the conservative beliefs and agreed on many points of the democratic policies, that to me is going more towards the left'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No-no, you're mistaking lying to the general public while reassuring his voterbase that he was still right-wing as with moving towards the center.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'either or, he was more open with his right wing politics during the primary'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Either way, good riddance. He's either a flip-flopper, a liar or both.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and my personal belief is that right now you can't win the general election considering how extremely conservative the replublican party is, and that's why he tried to tone it down'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're mistaking "conservative" with "bat-shit insane".'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still can't believe the Texan Republican Party still won considering their 2012 platform included "We're against critical thinking in school".'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since both parties stretch from around the middle and out toward weird wings, it's a bit inaccurate to pretend that one part owns the centre'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'some states will always be republican, and some will always be democrats, I don't think anything can change that'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for Obama, I expect four more years of the same.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you're right tinada, but I think the republicans are further off from the centre and that might be what cost them this year'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and lately they've been going even further away from the "centre"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It didn't cost them much besides the POTUS election.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They lost 3 seats in the senate and still control the house. Ooooooouh. The hooooorror.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If 1.2% of voters had shifted around, we'd be explaining Romney's win, so it's down to a small number of marginal voters with little party connection.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, if you like, democrats having more press support :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not understanding how the EC works, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and yeah, if the republicans were more towards the centre they could've swayed those voters'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and press support is bought, the candidates are bought which is a growing base for corruption, which is another problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the vote is split 50-48, it doesn't make that much sense to talk about someone being more toward the centre, imo. You can't tailor platforms with that kind of accuracy level.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so if the voters split evenly for a left part and a right party you can't talk about different politics cause the voters are split?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the vote is split very near the centre, you either have to assume that both parties are approximately equally far from the centre, or you have to start discussing whether the median voters are not at the centre.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Morning Aardwolf, are the libs still celebrating and the cons still sobering up?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Oh Yuna, here is the best argument that explains Franken Amdt. No. 2588: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091021150753AA7P5fQ. Read the 'best answer' section too. It explains why GOPers in the Senate might be against the ammendment. We'd have to ask each one individually if we wanted their opinion. I honestly have no opinion on this one way or the other at this moment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What? 3/5ths of the U.S. have bans on smoking in public places?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the first time ever, I wish my country was more like the U.S. (in this one measure)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'US Stock Markets crash shortly 2% after opening.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'eheh sorry, Shortly after opening'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Haven't been getting a lot of sleep. Working long hours will do that to you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) THe HuLk Topfox: 'sooo this chanel is off to all others right? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You call a 2% decrease a crash?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) THe HuLk Topfox: 'damn thought i had found a dead chanel :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'OK, I admit that was a bit too strong. Its the largest one-day drop (so far) in five months. '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: '2% correction so far, we'll call it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As usual, skewing of the facts to spread fear.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well without the government infusion of campaign cash, of course the market dropped'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder why it dropped by 2%. Couldn't have been because of cranky old, rich white men acting out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Crash isn't a fact. Its an opinion. The fact is 2%. That is not a skew at all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I've already heard we won't have elections in 2016 because the nukes will fly.  I opted not to respond to the guy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who was the guy? DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'friend of friend on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fiscal cliff issues are seen as more likely with Obama reelected, since there is a 4yr history of not-so-much cooperation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And any commentator worth his wages can conjure up another handful of reasons.. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'I'm going for Marco Rubio. The GOP needs a shake-up. We need a Hispanic President, and two national languages.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Rand Paul 2016'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I dont even vote for Ron Paul'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'this year's election results give me hope though that the Republicans will choose a different strategy than non-action.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'We need to get with it, you know - become hip. Hip sells. The mere fact you have no plan, can't handle the economy or the world doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'even Newt Gingrich said it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'The old generation, the boomers, are done out of mainstream GOP political office, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'new republicans don't care about social issues, which is a shame'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'they're still a noteworthy chunk of voters though.  Especially in close states like Florida.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'They will, next time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'they talk about "liberty," but they don't have the guiding principles that an early generation did'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'We'll say things like - Illegal immigration: No biggie! Become a citizen because we want you here. Spanish speaking? No problem. It's a national language.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Yuna: Do many people speak multiple languages in Sweden?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'having English as a national language would actually unite America'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'It is a national language...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sure. They all speak English, and as well as we do.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I do think we overspend on welfare.  The fact that immigration is a "problem" speaks volumes.  Human capital should be an asset, not a liability.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there is a stark polarity in many places in America where people don't speak anything but Spanish, and integrating those communities into the larger American sphere would be an excellent step towards better immigration'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is the de facto official language, but the U.S. doesn't have an official language in statute.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, most countries don't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'That's super! We need to support that. Become a larger tent. Keep the principles. Expand. Get with it. Get on facebook and twitter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but it should Yuna. Requiring English for citizenship would be great'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Connect with all people from all walks of life. Marco Rubio, November 8th 2016.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd agree with requiring some basic English for citizenship.  If only because it's kinda dangerous to not even be able to know the laws because their in an unknown language.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'they're, even'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Taokan person again...
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'I'm suggesting two national languages: English and Spanish for the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'So you can speak either. If you only know one, you'll eventually learn enough of the other to get by.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I say we merge them.  Have an official spanglish that's unique to us'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'thats not true November. Hispanics by and large don't care to learn English'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Given that CBO says federal (gaap) deficits were 5.6t and 5t in 2010 and 2011, you're clearly overspending on something'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'they have their own, separate communities which are completely removed from the larger part of American society'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'I mean enough to get by. You know, very low level stuff like restaurant English or Spanish.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm pro-legal immigration, I just think requiring English would be great to make immigration better'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Taokan is agreeing with that Rubio on November person again...
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Its going to take generations, but it will work out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah I don't think they should be required to comprehend Shakespeare, but some level of passing comprehension should be required'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'We get Rubio to go down to Rio in 2016 for the Olympics and get Latin America excited about his Presidency - and he can keep his base? It will be a slam dunk. Against who? Biden or Hillary, lol.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No way for HIllary 2016. I dunno. Who else is a contender?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'she's retiring'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Got to be younger. Think - no baby boomers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I would like to see Kucinich, but there's no way he has any kind of chance'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and he's not really "young" or "hip"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Hahah, he's an old krank. He's the Ron Paul of the left.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's Sanders'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Condoliza Rice?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'probably too early for the Dems to pull out the gay card, but I'll wager about 2020 or 2024 they'll run an openly gay candidate'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '(completely unrelated to Rice comment btw)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '(although she does look kinda butch)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'heh, they could run Michelle Obama :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'they almost did the back to back with Hillary/Bill'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Stocks down 300pts. *frown*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'http://www.cnbc.com/id/49725783'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'let it crash.  I've got my money in bonds waiting for the next austerity battle over the budget.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'You know they can default, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'not a chance in hell with Goldman Sachs in office'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'plus, the way I look at it is if the US govt defaults, we're all equally hosed.  Down to the assets we own, I've got my house and 2 cars, which isn't great, but it's enough.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'did I miss the "why Rommel should have one" rant?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'had a discussion about women's rights in divorce and alimony cases:'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Men are going to stop getting married. Women will pressure the government to allow women the right to take money from men for just being in a relationship. The government will happily oblige to gain more power over the people. Prostitution will become safer than having a girlfriend, if it isn't already. Birth rates will collapse. The family unit will disappear. Western society and freedom will disappear. The police state will control all aspects of family life because men and women couldn't sort it out themselves. Men, stop giving in to women.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so here's the good news that might have gotten missed from the election:'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Colorado and Washington pass propositions legalising the recreational use of pot'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A number of Ron Paul-ite members make it to the house'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Oregon vote against a pot proposition, but their government believes they own all the rain that falls in their state, so clearly their constituents are bonkers'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the use isn't legalized the possession is'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the use was always legal its the loophole possession which now is limited to one ounce'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the proposition was to legalise the recreational use of'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'NPR had a nice segment on it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only other downer is California, which is proving once again the stereotype that Californians are dumber than a box of rocks by voting AGAINST the labelling of presence of GMO ingredients in food'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, USA is to send Patriot rocket platform to the Turkey/Syria border'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't like the look of this one: TSA plans to track all daily travels to social events, grocery store or work'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they have the technology in place pretty much to do that already here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama did manage to make me laugh today'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'enjoy your 1000 years of darkness'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be ok, i've got solar panels'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not you. americans'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, well, who cares about them?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you seem to'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually i care about their country, not them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're mostly ill-bred and stupid'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There's a difference?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you live in the 51st state'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'skin color.  Anything dark tends not to think too well as they're mostly on the dole or otherwise liberally-inclined.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoy your fiscal cliff :-) we'll be joining you in a couple of years'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Priceless, that. Nothing like a sweeping generalization. Most Americans are ill-bred and stupid. So of the 300 million of us, does that mean roughly 151 million, or vastly more?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well thanks, Rhavage, someone had to rise to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'vastly more.  Aren't like 200 million of that illegals?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I do what I can.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts ruffles Rhavage's hair playfully.
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'help me vote here for my police and crime commissioner'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'probably more. include all the people who voted for romney and maybe the half of the ones that voted for obama (or a third, quarter. your choice)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Athill, Stephen William Bett, James Michael Joice, Steve Morphew, Matthew James Smith'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Do the police and the crime commissioner work together or as adversaries? Is the crime commissioner an agent of crime?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'not everyone who voted for Romney is stupid... particularly those people who would benefit from his pro-rich, pro-corporatist policies'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'go with MJS.  He's the only one with a unique first name.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i'm converned, they're an overpaid beurocrat post designed to annoy the fuck out of police forces that are trying to get on with their job'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but that's a very small minority'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, Hans, he was the one I was thinking of, being the UKIP candidate'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fits into margin of error'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Obama's speech he claimed to stand for freedom and liberty for all. Just a shame his 'all' doesn't include preppers, army veterans and patriots. Shame his 'freedom and liberty' didn't include the innocent people he's murdered in Pakistan and Yemen, or the people he harasses and humiliates with his TSA paedophile goon squad '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be very interesting to see what he does with this fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he is a politician. a politicians job is to lie'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the TSA was founded in 2001, this was during Bush's presidency'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we going to actually start seeing some viable policies that are in line with his touted beliefs, policies that will help America and the world, or are we just going to see the surveillance net tighten and the police state grow?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'founded, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considered he's outspent all the other presidents combined, I don't expect him to slow down but to go faster.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expanded hugely by Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'sources, please'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this is exactly the same sort of thing that Hoover and FDR first tried, hoping to stave off the great depression.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'from what I've seen, Obama has not made comments supporting the TSA's idiotic policies, so I think it's a stretch to say it's "Obama's TSA". Quotes would be nice, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, romney campaign spent more'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama's been campaigning for 4 years.  I don't really think he was outspent, so much as he didn't have to claim taxpayer funds as part of his spending.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Two studies by a group of Cornell University researchers have found that strict airport security has the unintended consequence of increasing road fatalities, as would-be air travelers decide to drive and are exposed to the far greater risk of dying in a car accident.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's kind of interesting, Saric. Something that had never occurred to me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet road rage is much more of a problem as well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'Agreed. I hadn't thought about it either, just read it on Wikipedia and thought it was interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and with all this extra gas being used, global warming's bound to come roaring back worse than ever since there are so many more older and less-efficient cars still on the roads.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TSA budget gone from $5.3bn to $8.1bn. http://tinyurl.com/cq398qp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extension of TSA power and scope through various articles here:'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/ccm6cej  http://tinyurl.com/65fvt2h http://tinyurl.com/arca35a http://tinyurl.com/ac46nk2 http://tinyurl.com/bjvn898  http://tinyurl.com/a8e646t http://tinyurl.com/a8gd2df'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the wiki article though is the most damning with the meteoric rise in complaints'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and think about the child abuse.  With all the bratty kids we have nowadays that we can't really slap sense back into, locking the parents into a day(s)-long road trip to visit the family's bound to make something snap.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'I'm reading the TSA wikipedia article now... it's depressing that this organization exists still'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i didn't even add the bit where obama's administration threatened Texas with an air blockade if it went along with it's plans to remove TSA officers'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, that makes sense.  Threaten the only state in the union that actually HAS the right to secede.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor did i include the fact that Michael Chertoff, a former Secretary for DHS set to benefit financially from the naked body scanners despite them not actually being fit for purpose AND being dangerous... and that they were rolled out as a result of a false flag attack (underear bomber) '
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://rt.com/usa/news/naked-body-scanners-usa/'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the TSA really is one of the run-away independent organisations that does what the hell it likes for the benefit of the people running it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like FEMA'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abolish the whole damned lot and let the States sort it out, they can do a far better job and for considerably less money'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure if any of you have seen this pretty funny take on Texas secession. Enjoy... http://wonkette.com/408043/texas-secession-movement-gaining-momentum-with-the-rest-of-america'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think Texas should'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Did you watch that clip, Tigernuts? It's pretty clever.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the maker of the video is clearly an idiot'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it is funny'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas isn't on the verge of bankruptcy, unlike California'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has considerable natural resources, when Obama isn't shutting them down because Al Gore said polar bears can't swim'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rubber situation is critical.  In spite of the recent rubber drive, there is a continuing need for large quantities of scrap rubber.  We are collecting every possible pound from the factories, arsenals and shipyards, we are speeding up the flow of material from automobile graveyards, we are tearing up abandoned railroad tracks and bridges, but unless we dig out an additional 6,000,000 tons of steel and great quantities of rubber, copper, brass, zinc and tin, our boys may not get all the fighting weapons they need in time...  EVEN ONE OLD SHOVEL WILL HELP MAKE 4 HAND GRENADES!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a notice during WWII, :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, it was pretty bad back then.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one could almost compare it to mainland China.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, it was World War II. Kind of a big deal, globally ;)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the ration stamps and coins.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know, but the romantic image that America still had it good persists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet ol Romney would have had 5x the normal ration stamps as regular people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he wouldn't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure it was simply an image. It was total war. One of the few times that virtually the entire nation was on exactly the same page.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in his position, back then image was everything.  He would have kept up appearances even though he may have been spending his last dime.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa was still able to make his moonshine during the wars though, he just had to grow the corn himself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The OPA established the Idle Tire Purchase Plan, and could deny mileage rations to anyone owning passenger tires not in use.   Voluntary gas rationing proved ineffective and by the spring of 1942 mandatory rationing was needed.  To get your classification and ration stamps, you had to certify to a local board that you needed gas and owned no more than five tires.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Members of congress and other political VIPs in their own mind of course were given an 'X' sticker for their vehicles....it allowed unlimited gasoline use'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real people don't have to make sacrifices. I learned that from Animal Farm. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Ya know.. If we didn't brag & let the japs know North America has "Sugarless Gum" We wouldn't have any japanese people in the country & we'd be rid of that Godzilla problem a long time ago... That lizard only wants tokyo anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dow Jones didn't take kindly to the Obama victory, down what, 320 points?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was good for gold though, eeeeee!'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're Obama, you have a $16tn national debt and a yearly deficit of $1tn. How do you fix it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'QE'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd fix it by devaluing the dollar by 50%?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..or go to Vegas after Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The QE collapses the middle class, thus making everyone government dependent = Obama win'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesnt fix it though, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It does if you're Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked how you'd fix it, not how Obama intends to wreck it further'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'string em up'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'you remind me of Donald Trump'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government no longer represents the people; they must be done away with'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a morally bankrupt shit show'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: '"no longer"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'At some point, it was for the people by the people; that point is ancient history'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now it's for the corporations by the corporations'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'sadly yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the spirit of amazing things, i discovered something I agree with George Soros about'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the modification of the three-strikes law in California to only count serious or violent crimes for the third strike. personally i'd do away with it altogether, it's an anathema to the concept of justice'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cosmogoblin: 'Seems a bit stupid.  Judges already take into account a person's record, the three-strikes rule seems dumb.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Why shouldn't the legislature get to define a person as a habitual offender for sentencing purposes? It doesn't incidate guilt, and has nothing to do with the conviction'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'because that's "judging"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'whats the problem with that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'ask the F-types'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to the legislature to judge'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the job of the judiciary'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the legislature shouldn't define crimes and set sentences? YOu want Judges making up the laws and creating the punishments for them?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that is their job'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's the legislatures job to define and reflect the public good'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what's your position on career UI drivers?  Seems like judges aren't dealing with them as well as they should be, if they were really taking priors into consideration.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then you have judges that give probation to the kiddie-diddlers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Most jurisdictions are pretty harsh on repeat dwi offenders from what I've seen Hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither branch is supposed to have all the power when it comes to justice'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and always remember that the judicial process can strike down an unjust law'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the executive branch can just not enforce them, and the legislature can filibuster, amend, or otherwise diddle around with them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The legislature often gives Judges a small range in which they can sentence someone given the nature of the offense, any priors, and any aggravating or mitigating factors. Then the Judge may suspend the sentence pending completion of certain conditions, but only in the relatively minor offenses is that allowed. For serious felonies, time in prison is often required'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the jury can nullify in cases where the law is unjust, or has been unfairly applied'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dates back to the earliest days of "trial by a jury of peers"'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the origins of the legal system and common law'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of which they try to hide these days'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'But yeah, I have no problem with the legislature defining punishments for crimes. Makes sense, when you consider how far we've come from the common law, and how many crimes are statutory now'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3 strikes isn't defining punishment for crimes'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It creates a status into which a person falls, and determines their punishment...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's arbitrary and explains why you have the highest prison population per capita of any country on the PLANET and by some margin'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I believe that a jury must find someone beyond a reasonable doubt to be a repeat offender'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'your "peers" are too stupid to do their job'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jury isn't told of previous convictions here'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, it might be arbitrary. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't, you should be judged on the case in hand, not some arbitrary count'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Not when convicting of the crime in question Tigernuts. But after that, they may be called again to take part in sentencing, and find the person as a repeat offender'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the reason we have the highest prison population is because of drug laws.  It's not because we have so many career felons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think drug dealers are criminals through and through, and would still be criminals if we legalized all drugs'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tipro, the drugs come from the top anyways'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's all by design'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dosset is right, thought your point is nonsense, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're actually talking about doing away with all the possession ones, which by their estimates would cut our prison populations by something amazing, like 50%.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can call them "morally repugnant" or similar'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That might be good. For simple possession at least'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminal, however, has special meaning and cannot be applied to something which is an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It costs like $35k a year to keep someone in prison doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm saying they are people who don't respect the law and would find ways to live outside the normal system no matter what we did with drugs Tigernuts. Drug lords aren't in it b/c they love drugs and are hping to give people liberty to do drugs. They don't want normal lives, don't know how to function with normal, respectable jobs, and they find power by selling drugs'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is still your opinion, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Colorado just passed a state law that says possession of limited amounts is fully legal.  You can buy non-medical pot in a store, you can smoke it openly (subject to anti-smoking laws), and you can grow it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could make the same case for people who want to be politicians'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or who want to be TSA officers, or be in the army'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It has some basis in personal experience Tigernuts, but yeah it's an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or people who live off welfare'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tipro, intelligence like CIA start the trafficking, which gets passed to organized crime, and on down to the streetcorner pusher'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying you're wrong to have that point of view'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'fast and furious with drugs, DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not even; F&F was a one-time false-flag'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merely that you should be careful not to brand things illegal just because you don't agree with them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not much different to speech'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'F&F is like a 20-year-old program.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'F&F is just like Operation Northwoods, Operation Himmler...just classic false-flag tactics'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Nazis dressed up like the Polish and attacked Germans to get backing for WWII'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '= Operation Himmler'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'F&F the same thing; arm Mexicans to get Americans to back gun control'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's true. I would support legalized prostitution, but I wouldn't go to a prostitute. I'm just saying in reference to prison populations, legalizing drugs may not be the answer. People don't go to prison for simple possession, and those that go for dealing may not get caught as easy doing whatever other criminal designs they are involved in, but they will likely still be involved in crime. Usually organized B&E groups'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh but they do go to prison for simple possession'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also, you decriminalise, you take a ton of money out of it, so people aren't stealing to feed habits so much'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'If you're "simple possession" is enough to get you in for trafficking maybe...'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you lose a lot of th e gang element'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'your*'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure the cartels will just roll over for that one.  They don't like it when you steal/destroy their product, it's not going to be any better when you fuck with their money.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's a good point about the low-level people stealing to feed habits tiger'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'very true'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats what drives burglaries here, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's Fed vs. state; the state police don't realize that they are set up for failure at the federal level'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is why even heads of police here have called for decriminalisation'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A movie with this idea is coming out soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'where's here? California?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you might not see them steamrolling over the legit businesses, but they might move into B&E to remove all that excess legit crop from the users--pretty much guaranteeing they'll come back to the cartel stock.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'b&e?'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I can see legalizing pot being okay, but I'm not sure making hard drugs that available is a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'breaking and entering'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'home invasion you might call it'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me i'd legalise and tax pot, just decriminalise the possession of the harder stuff so at least you could help those people rather than just persecute them'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that pot is illegal and alcohol isn't is an absurdity and abomination that has no place in modern society'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'world helium reserves are projected to run out in 8 years.  And helium is used in many things like flat screen tvs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'omg what will I do to make funny voices?????'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Syncrude refinery in the Alberta oil sands is huge.....investing $10 billion in the refinery to convert those oil sands into 1-2 million barrels per day of oil in addition to the 300k barrels they produce now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current value of the oil sands is $70 trillion with current technology to extract the oil from the field.'
T3/r7/2012-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell oil is also investing billions into building a mega refinery at the tar sands to extract 1 million barrels per day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Psyiode: 'whatever!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'gamestat 12'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tigernuts' car - http://i.imgur.com/XmVeN.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHich 2012 senate race had two incumbents racing against each otehr due to a change in whatever it's called, demographic?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nvm, found it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hakuna Sakata: 'If you think women are the weaker sex, try pulling the blankets back to your side. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I love how badly Akin got ousted this election'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'womenfolk made me proud out there'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US/Canadian oil needs to go back to $100 a barrel.....considering north sea oil is selling for $110.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Or the US needs to reduce our imports from africa and the middle east when the contracts expire.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'yeup'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'California actually voted no on having a label for GMO foods. How fucking retarded is California?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What do you expect from a farming state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If california keeps going the way it has been, we might have to turn the whole state into a prison state, and free up our prison populations. :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, natgas is going up in price....currently $3.60'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to get it back to $5.00 or so, so we can start producing some of that dry gas again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like tales of widespread fraud are coming out of the elections, not necessarily affecting the outcome of the presidential race, but of many of the propositions being voted on at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iranian jets fire on US drone in Persian Gulf. Rock on, Iran, shame you missed'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holder looks set to quit as Attorney General (quit? he should have been fired, or prosecuted)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Should be prosecuted, it seems.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Satan's friend with benefits Janet Nepolitano is being touted for Supreme Court Judge spot. I'm sure she'll do wonders for civil liberties'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'NDAA-squared!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't obama hire some people that aren't corrupt and aren't freaks?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'between them two and Hilary Clinton, gah'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jimmy Carter's like 91, but at least he's not a complete arse'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Santa Claus won the US election, someone said.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'and so did jesus'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'special sort of santa claus though, he robs your neighbour to give you gifts'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'santa won the election...he's gonna give me a PHONE! for christmas'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he isn't going to give me a graphics card with the wrong output on it, the muther'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'no jesus did because now all these people just bloody whine'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's giving me a car, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait, wrong channel'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which makes me think that for the next generation, it won't be possible to elect someone who offers (necessary) gov't reductions or changes'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm interested to see if he starts running roughshod over state laws and starts sending the DEA into Colorado and Washington'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be the teller'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you can't do it in 2008, 2010, 2012, you probably can't do it when the boomers retire, which is going to eat up the next 15ys, at least'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, right.  Most of the world wants to legally own, smoke, and peddle pot.  He's not going to fuck with that part of his liberal base.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I didn't mean Obama specifically, although the total deficit during his first term looks like 17t or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul is reported as saying that "America is lost", people are wondering hoe Obama will deal with the fiscal cliff - too late, you drove over it already'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has been already in places like California where medical pot is allowed'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '$17,000,000,000,000?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e sending int he DEA over the heads of State and arresting people'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at DosseT.
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, get to work, debt slaves'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'oh wait'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both candidates lacked a credible plan for dealing with the debt'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At least Obama had a good plan for complaining about Romney's plan, that is something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, you can't fault that'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now Obama's the poor shmuck who has to deal with it.  This might actually turn out well for the Republicans, if they start reaching across the aisle.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the Labour party here "Don't vote for them, their plan sucks!". 'Well what are your plans then?" "Our plan is to not do what they're doing" '.........''
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It works when the political arena becomes football arena fanaticism'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Both parties have to do some compromising.  The next 4 years can be good, but there needs to be a bit more cooperation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'tiger your name isn't susan is it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Next 4 years good for whom is the question'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The 17t was based on CBO GAAP estimates (I know they aren't entirely reliable, but they represent a reasonable starting point) - not normal kittens and unicorns federal cash flow wannabe accounts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vorpes'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ok just curious'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It can be good for the country as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i haven't grown breasts the last time i looked'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the deficit stuff's too big now.  They won't be able to kick it down the road this time without seriously fucking over a big group of people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'maybe for the gimmedats, but not for the average working-class citizen'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can, hans, and they probably will'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did in europe, and they did here'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm an average working class government contractor, I'll be fine.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'End the Bush era tax cuts, raise social security age from 67 to 70, raise the cap limit on social security pay-in and we'll be fine in that area.  Medicare, I don't have the answer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the whole plan; make everyone government dependent'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Medicare costs need to come down, but not in a sudden manner.  It needs to be done over a bit of time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ending the bush tax cuts won't plug the hole'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Not the entire whole, but in combination with raising SS age and income caps it makes a huge dent.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'One good thing would be to plug some of the tax code loopholes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can finger-in-the-dam it, but I don't plan on getting my SS'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'I mean for god sakes what country goes to war and lowers taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What country goes to war, then does QEs'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ending the bush tax cuts, dropping the tax breaks and loopholes, and pulling troops out of the middle east to cut military by $1tn will probably do it'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Can't do it without amending SS.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'You cant do drastic military cuts in a short amount of time though'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just pulling them home will save a fortune, flach'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Quick and drastic cuts to the military would affect so many things in a negative way, it would basically be suicide.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you pay them for 4 years to sit on base'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and where are all those soldiers going to go for work?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Actually, bringing the military home doesn't save us anything.  That money's all been borrowed anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal, oil, and gas industry'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'So it's not like that money can be spent elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that logic is upside down, mea'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Honestly, first step is to tackle SS and those tax cuts.  Start there'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'we need aids for old people'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i mean aid'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Tax loopholes is a huge thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i for one am eternally grateful to my previous generation for totally fucking up the economy so that i'll never be able to retire while they're all doing so at 55 and 60'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'That's the biggest problem Vorpes.  Baby boomers will destroy it long before the Republicans claims of lazy-ass Americans will.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm also eternally grateful to them for fucking up the real-estate market such that my generation and those that follow me could never ever in our lifetimes afford a decent house to live in'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baby boomers should all be exterminated. problem solved'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You mean rent a house from the government'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all that's left, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'no more "ownership"'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'baby boomers coupled with more and more tax cuts definitely didn't help support SS'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'there are more people now who pay into SS but they pay less because of all the tax cuts. it isn't like the baby boomers just stopped having kids they were still at or above replacement rate'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just kick the can down the road long enough for me to buy a plot of land, would you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just stop spending and save up.  As we obviously proved in Montgomery, if enough people leave the system the product will readjust to bring us back in.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'save what up, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'money.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem with SS isn't so much with allocation; it's with the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the money that isn't around and is devaluing as fast as it can be saved?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If everyone were a productive member of society, it would distribute the cost over a wider breadth'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Instead, we have a welfare culture which not only lowers taxable income, but also creates unnecessary income transfers'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can do is save up and hope that there's a house price crash before a currency crash'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are we'll get the latter, not the former'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are inflating away the value of their debts, which directly devalues savings'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, housing is a lot more affordable in the US now than it was over the previous 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'house prices will therefore go up with the inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abolishing welfare because some people aren't productive is like draining your engine oil and expecting your car to be "productive"'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'decent housing here is insane'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you live on an island'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an overpopulated island, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then supply/demand dictates housing to be expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feel free to drop some bioweapons here and clear it down a tad'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not gubment's fault'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it is, they control immigration policy'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, as if it's all immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not abolish welfare; abolish the welfare culture'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'i.e. bottomfeeding'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'because I can'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all immigrants and increased life expectancy, our birthrate has only just recently got back up to 1.9'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without the other two factors our population would have been dropping'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'I think it's more of a me, me problem, Dosset than a true welfare problem.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'From whose perspective?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'All perspectives.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'For me, I'm not planning on getting my SS back...ever'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average uk salaray, Ł26,244 - average house price Ł234,000 (2011 figures)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and I think that a lot that qualify know they can't retire, what with 401k/IRA dead, and SS dying'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'All you hear is how we are so overtaxed and that "other" people are gaming the system.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's a little disconcerting when they are taking the opposite steps necessary to fixing the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'No politician wants to stand up and say that we must rescind those tax cuts to get the US back on track because of the "me, mine" mentality.  Don't take "my" money.  Even if it is the best thing to do.  Could you imagine our granparents saying NO to tax increases and rationing during WWII?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There was more solidarity back then'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and the 30s when SS was created'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'EXACTLY!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Since when did paying taxes become "Un-American"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I think a lot of it comes from people's ignorance that the gummint ostensibly has no money'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and must shave off part of their earnings to in turn furnish public services for them'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...but then the people got disillusioned'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So it's not that they're against paying taxes on principle, but reject what it is their dollars are paying for (i.e. nails and haircuts to Section 8)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'That comes from this information age and people like Limbaugh that see ONE government worker slacking and it's blown to the extreme.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Shit, I'm called a parasite on society because I teach?  That's what it's come to.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'And yes, I have been called that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, you can blame pop culture for that more than Limbaugh'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'But he feeds that.  You ever listened to his program?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not recently'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'It's a 3-hour rant against anything government.  Riling up the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And then there's "government" and then "government"'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not all public servants, so-to-speak are gummint'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'That is true.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'But in some people's minds, if your paycheck comes from tax dollars, you are wasting their money.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teachers are instigating the pro-liberal (and recently, the pro-Obama) biases the republicans are complaining about.  Certainly not every teacher is lapping on the black Jesus's nuts, but enough of them are that it's corrupting the role teachers have been charged with.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Really Hanslanda?  So I lap his nuts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I think a lot of it is a recent trend'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'g-jobs and public sector is less about serving the public, and more about oh cool, job security/I can be lazy/etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, if you really want to put yourself in that group of teachers instead of the other one...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's those that soiled the waters'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'culpable: yes, you'd be amazed at how much propaganda elementary school kids come home with'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'It's more that Republicans have driven any union based job to the Democratic Party.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until you invent robot teachers, teachers are going to be human beings.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some cases have had the teachers outright preaching falsehoods about Obama, and at least one teacher threatened to send the student to the principal's office for being the Romney/Republican/conservative side of that debate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Ah yes.  I see that all the time Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ultimately, you can be someone that imparts knowledge, education, and values, or you can be a projector for Big Brother'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'likely depends on what level you're teaching, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'That's exactly what I'm talking about.  You talk about cases, so you're talking an extremely small minority.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, I know.  I have teachers in my life too and they complain about that a lot.  Plenty of non-teachers complain about similar things in their industries as well, so I figure it's a widely-pervasive trend rather than just teachers.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'I agree on that point Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'People now-a-days see one instance of something and take it as normal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'or as wide-spread and common.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is that "one thing" the TV?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Well, actually the I would blame Internet more.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, it's many different "one things" as we get together and talk about them all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'You can now see that one instance "world-wide" in a matter of seconds.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd argue the internet is the last bastion of free speech'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and filth'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'hand-in-hand, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada smiles happily.
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Yeah, now any nutjob with a computer can put whatever he wants out there.  Not sure I'd call that progress.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As opposed to one nutjub putting whatever he wants on Establishment TV?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sounds like an extreme dichotomy'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'still, I'd prefer the former'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'I mean go on youtube right now and type in teacher and see how many different extremely negative videos you see.  Teacher-student romance'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It might all sort of work out if school didn't so effectively kill the will to learn, think, research.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'teacher slaps student, teacher calls student n word...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's just an overall degradation of society'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'watch the video of the lady attacking the bus driver'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'after which she promplty gets Tekkened'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Try instilling the will to learn in some students Tinada and watch how fast their parents are in your face telling you to "help" their kid.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'promptly too'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Many parents are very good, but there are more than a few today that expect their students to "ace" everything with no work.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Mea Culpable.
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My point was more..children are naturally inquisitive, want to learn and figure out things'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sad byproduct of an overly-feeling liberal society'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I should get a raise because I showed up to work'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in some leagues, there are no winners and you don't play for points.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You put send that kind of being into school at age 6, about 4ys later they are down to neutral, another 4ys and they almost actively avoid thinking/reading/learning'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's the point, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's hard not to believe that the system is fundamentally flawed (or, if it is working as intended, it's set up by pretty evil people)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was created that way'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'by the Rockefellers'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'I'm very fortunate to teach in a small, rural school setting where I rarely have to deal with any of those major issues.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'The tough students that we get surprisingly enough live in the "low-income" apartments in town.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It isn't made any easier by the fact that the important things (qualitative judgements, independent thinking ability, self-insight etc) are so difficult to measure that schools hardly ever try, and instead use standardized tests which largely require you to solve simple closed-form problems of preset types'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are they still just advancing students?  n'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'And who forces the standardized tests on the schools?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tinada: http://www.inquisitr.com/211355/nyc-tests-dinosaurs-aliens-birthdays-banned/'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Degradation in progress'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'It's against the law in MN to hold students back without parent consent, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'go NYC'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'OK.  Out to head to my kids conferences.  Maybe talk to you guys again later...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Next, the aptitude tests will be like those from Idiocracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'barcodes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you have one bucket that contains 2 gallons and another bucket that contains 7 gallons, how many buckets do you have?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I feel sorry for people who bought land in Texas without the mineral rights......they were stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the mineral rights owner can come on your land and drill for oil and gas, or other minerals if they wish to.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Your $300k house and land can turn into $78k value after a well site has been drilled.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Always buy the damn mineral rights when you buy the land.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really, they can just come in and put a well right next to my house?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure can'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anywhere in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they have a lease for the mineral rights.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can even have your house torn down if it is in the way, or move it to another part of the property.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you own the mineral rights, there are ways for companies to seize them without payment'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, that is not true.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in some states, if they have acquired legitimately enough of the surrounding rights'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have to pay fair market value of all minerals extracted from a piece of land if you own the rights to it.  They usually pay around 15% for the lease.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not in all states'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no company 'steals' minerals from people who own the rights, unless you give them to them at a low price.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name a state :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might take some time to dig up...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hang on...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas, the mineral rights holder has all the rights.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska also.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here's one article... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-chesapeake-landgrab-substory-idUSBRE8910E920121002'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that one's texas'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some people sold their mineral lease to companies for like 5%, they got a lowballed offer.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'others sold their lease to companies and made millions on the lease, plus 15%'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"This June, after petitioning a Texas state agency for an exception to a 93-year-old statute, the company effectively secured the ability to drain the gas from beneath the Bhandari property anyway - without having to pay the couple a penny."'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"In fact, since January 2005, the Texas agency has rejected just five of Chesapeake's 1,628 requests for such exceptions, a Reuters review of agency data shows."'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much for laws!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no company steals the rights, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you are not allowed to not sell your rights, and with horizontal drilling, they do not actually need to go on your land if your property is small enough'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '""The principle of it is insane," said Calvin Tillman, a former mayor of Dish, Texas, a small town north of Fort Worth where drilling has been heavy. "Not only can they take your property, but they don't have to pay you for it.""'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chesepeake is well known for drilling under other peoples property.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that isnt stealing someone's lease'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, "What emerged were approaches to leasing property that land brokers, land owners and lawyers say push ethical and legal limits. Chesapeake has unilaterally altered or backed out of leases. And in Texas and at least three other states, it has exploited little-known laws to force owners to hand over drilling rights and sometimes forfeit profits."'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are basically sucking up your milkshake without your say.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since they seized the drilling rights, they can actually drill on the property'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way or the other, the laws need to be fixed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should have gone to business school and got my mba back in the 90s, could have raped the companies like all modern ceo's do to make millions and billions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are tons of mbas out there. The ones who do the raping are those who have two critical qualities...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lack of a conscience, and the ability to form unsavoury connections'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chesepeakes ceo used 31 million of his shares as colateral to buy lots more shares, he was caught in a margin call...not smart....and lost all his shares in the call....so he had his handpicked board cancel his employment contract, and do another which granted him $75 million, plus another 35 million shares.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think I heard something about that...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, these people have handpicked people to do bad things for them'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'finding and coercing people to do your dirty work takes a lot more than an mba... in fact, an mba is almost irrelevant...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting the mba gets you in the special door to become a ceo of a big company, :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'find some heiress the father can't marry off because she's too ugly or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you build the company yourself, most people need an mba to become a ceo.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chesepeake is a decent company when dry gas is selling for high prices, but right now they are treading water....most of their leases are for dry gas, not wet gas.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the wikipedia article for mcclendon, ceo of chesapeake, doesn't even mention an mba...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'majored in history'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am just not a big fan of the ceo of chesapeake.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he created chesepeake'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'mmm cheesecake'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he was born with a lot of the right connections too, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot easier to "start" your own company if you're born into good connections...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he borrowed $1.1 billion against his shares and interests in over 1000 wells to invest directly into more wells that were not being drilled by chesapeake....seems like a conflict to me.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, a lot of these companies engage in activities which clearly ought to be illegal, but aren't'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he also mortgaged the mineral leases for a $5 billion loan to invest in more wells.....so landowners go to the bank to refinance their home loan and find their property has been lumped into the mortgage lease deal and they cannot get the refinance.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one has to wonder why this sort of behaviour is tolerated!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(rhetorical question)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, this kind of stuff was rare, until the lawyers and accountants started becoming a lot more creative.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it takes the govt a long time to catch up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the lobbyists?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'govt can catch up quickly, if there's enough will.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, tell that to the US congress....:)'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also the issue of attracting good talent to govt'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes trying to save money on govt salaries is counterproductive...'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they get outsmarted by the lawyers on the other side'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chesapeke ceo has been borrowing against leases of landowners since 1993, it is not as though people didnt know about it....just no one cared until the gas price dropped to $2 and he couldnt cover the loans.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably not the only energy company to do it. Just the most obvious.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'luckily the dems won't be cutting regulation any further than it already has. Or so I hope.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone know the name of that manual company that makes how to manuals for most vehicles?  Supposed to be the best ones out there for people who want to work on their own vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know which one you're talking about, but I can't remember the name either.  You could perhaps try looking it up on autozone.com or similar site, or even generic google search.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mankind's emissions of fossil carbon and the resulting increase in temperature could prove to be our salvation from the next ice age. According to new research from the University of Gothenburg, Sweden, the current increase in the extent of peatland is having the opposite effect. "We are probably entering a new ice age right now. However, we're not noticing it due to the effects of carbon'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Looking back over the past three million years, the earth has experienced at least 30 periods of ice age, known as ice age pulses. The periods in between are called interglacials. The researchers believe that the Little Ice Age of the 16th to 18th centuries may have been halted as a result of human activity. '
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The industrial revolution saved the planet from a new ice age....wooohooo!'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'just another reason for cows to be considered holy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just before we eat them, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A study conducted by scientists at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew (UK), in collaboration with scientists in Ethiopia, reports that climate change alone could lead to the extinction of wild Arabica coffee (Coffea arabica) well before the end of this century.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think scientists play a dangerous game when they start making predictions'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because when they're wrong, the common perception is they dont' know what they're talking about, and they then start undermining themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'one of the reasons they've stopped making hurricane predictions, if I recall correctly'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A long-abandoned fermentation process once used to turn starch into explosives can be used to produce renewable diesel fuel to replace the fossil fuels now used in transportation, University of California, Berkeley, scientists have discovered. Campus chemists and chemical engineers teamed up to produce diesel fuel from the products of a bacterial fermentation discovered nearly 100 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We have the science to solve all the world's energy problems; it's just bad for profit margins'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'QED debators :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone on here ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, less than a week after the election and we already have signals that Obama is going to go after the 2nd ammendment, going to crucify the fossil fuel energy industry, and further infringe upon human rights with his TSA goon squard'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Am I alone in thinking it suspicious that Iran's attack on our drone wasn't made public until AFTER the election?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro wipes his brow with obvious relief.
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a pretty classic case of electioneering'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'even Fox News hasn't said anything about that, so I wasn't sure'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was the massive voting fraud in 7 states'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly in ohio, florida, california and tennessee'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys really -really- really really really need to start insisting on a paper-only ballot and not declaring winners until they're all counted'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you're setting yourself up for a kicking'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Florida, 2000 - paper votes have their issues...'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is denying that, ped'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but declaring the results before all the votes are counted, and relying solely on machines that have been proven to have obvious flaws, and are not tamperproof isn't a solution'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perfect world is to have voting machines that print out a receipt that the VOTER can check immediately, and that can then be counted to verify the tally'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway, each district has votes counted by more or less random representatives from all (significant) political parties'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'votes are counted manually here too, and counted twice'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'if an election can be rigged receipts aren't gonna help'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which makes it rather hard to cheat'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then give up, Hellion, because all elections will be rigged'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about minimising the scale and opportunity of fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'no giving up just apathy and stop thinking u have control live ur life politics affects ur egenral satisfaction little to none'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how to respond to that'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'yeah, look at this clear case of fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM&feature=youtu.be'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'well its an opinion just say ur wrong hellion lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and ill say fair enuff lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a worry statement, Hellion, it speaks of disillusionment, i know, but still'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'well uh that's like your opinion man'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were to say you can't affect it, that's one thing, but to say it doesn't affect you? that's.... absurd'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws don't apply to you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your environment, the society around you doesn't interact with you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'I repeat the quote from big lebowski " well uh that's like your opinion man" politics affect your overall satisfaction of life little to none'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess the big lebowski must live in a different world to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the big lebowski is a movie and the quote was him saying that's ur opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'satisfaction in life has more to do with self the surroundings of the person'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was the character giving the quote and what were his circumstances?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to a point, I agree'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'well I'm not trying to convince u ... I'm just expressing myself I've been rich I've been poor, I've been oppressed and I've been the oppressor each time I had a choice '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe that's the difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and my overall satisfaction was about appreciating my situation or appreciating I have the power to change my environment at any time'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people don't get to choose if they're opressed or not'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whether they're poor or not'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'that's again your opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a bit stronger than merely opinion'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true for most people'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the rich republican Christians of America feel oppressed by the changing America before them ... are they ? no its how they feel lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'unfortunately we are oppressed by our love of materials we r the oppressors and the oppressed'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it becomes less and less true, the smaller the world becomes and the tighter control governmnet has on people and their lives'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'on a funny note I alost said opressiez'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'control is relative some might think control is tellin u , u have to pay taxes others would think its fueling wars and hurting our well being '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'many factors of what is control but when a person realizes u are only in control when you renounce the control of others above you and live free do what's best for you and your loved ones but don't try torebel just cause'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'that kind of teenage angst never accomplished any increased happiness'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can renounce the control others have on you all you like, doesn't stop someone else coming and locking you away for it'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'sure it does '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, time for foooood'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the only real control is the ability to take away life all the rest is relative'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty silly position to hold'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'Ty for ur opinion again lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just trying to add some pragmatism'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and its always welcome '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'I love to discuss but in the end the goal is satisfaction and as we get older we realize its not a destination, is the journey'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just so that you know, if you ever visit Alaska, your US money will work there...no need to convert it to russian rubles anymore.....:p'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So evidently, even the director of the CIA couldn't keep an extramarital affair a secret.  Just resigned.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'the Mulder in me says that's what they made public there was much bigger stuff that would compromise the integrity of the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'like destabilizing Libya?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He was befriended by the captured alien and decided to let him free?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, there's already people questioning the timing of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame the drilling in north dakota is wasting so much natgas and propane because the infrastructure does not exist to get it to the customers yet.  Those wells could supply all of middle america with propane and natgas each day with what is flared 24 hours a day at the wells.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'propane is cheap here because of a huge glut of supply from the few sources that are providing the fuels.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to connect the sources to the big pipelines going around the country to open up the demand.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Obama is going cockstrong on banning guns now huh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'article?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or just debate talk? Presidential debate talk'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call your state government, get them to nullify anything that comes your way'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'NC leg and executive are stock full of republicans. I don't feel concerned'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Wisconsin is safe for the moment. We just legalized concealed carry not too long ago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'good for them'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.examiner.com/article/senator-feinstein-looking-to-introduce-new-assault-weapons-ban'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.examiner.com/article/senator-feinstein-looking-to-introduce-new-assault-weapons-ban'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'balls'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'omg that's the absoute worst form of gun control'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/turn-them-over-feinstein-moves-to-ban-all-assault-rifles-high-capacity-magazines-and-pistol-grips_11072012'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'b/c even if guns are a problem, the AWB in 94-04 did NOTHING'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The justice department did a study where they concluded that any affect it had on crime was "too small for measurement."'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's true'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the columbine killings took place when the 10 round limit was in place, but instead of buying preban mags or alterating their post-ban mags, they just brought 13, ten round magazines'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'clearly the AWB was a huge success'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'hopefully the House will block that'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might not get a chance if he starts throwing executive orders around'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get your CCW and stock up'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Id like to say thats illegal and perhaps unconstitutional, but does that matter anymore?'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It does when the Brownshirts (Xe) roll up'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not for Herr Oberfuhrer Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And how will Republicans wage their war on women without guns...'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama might have been pallatable for patriots if he'd stuck by the constitution and states rights'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but he's burnt those bridges right at the start'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and made no pretense about what was happening'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be nefarious, because he could have done as much redistribution and socialising as he wanted, provided he stuck to those rules'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people might even have liked it'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now there have been thousands of job losses announced since his victory'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and dont forget he illegally changed the law requiring gov't contractors to give notice of layoffs'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'so who knows what the number actually is'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he gives all the government small business contracts to fortune 500 companies'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or Solyndra'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, green energy corporate welfare, to line Al Gore's pockets'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while shutting down coal power for no reason'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forcing peoples' energy prices up'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ron Paul is on Infowars.com right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'brb caring'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any thinkers on here ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Obama sux and only got elected bc of his skin color'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '?'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjKbEvHdrk'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i'd love Mr Obama to explain away November's jobs figures....'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has Oregon always been a state of backwards people?'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if States will have the balls to publish nullification on the UN gun ban that Obama is backing'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, dont forget to apply for your own govt cheese benefits!'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Feds: I want YOU to apply for food stamps!'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Go get your govt cheese!'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guvmt cheese, guvmt cheese, gotta go get me some guvmt cheese.'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would a car not have any rims on its wheels/tyres?'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm watching Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen right now. I think I'm gonna pick up the book too.'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'dont forget to read it once you have picked it up'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Har har, droll. So very droll.'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'isnt it drolle ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and its about on par with "need a new recall this one is full"'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No yours was funnier than that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But thanks:P'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '33% of americans say they have a bugout bag.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those mre insta heats are pretty cool.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no u'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A winner is Leinei!
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Thou shalt not steal. However, stealing is OK if it is called "democracy," "majority rule," or "social justice."'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shouldn't you be working?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on a sunday?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, right'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't want to get stoned by your neighbors, eh ;)'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my neighbours are all pensioners'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they stone me, nobody will be left to pay their pensions'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Israel are beating more wardrums, firing at Syria'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thousands of job losses confirmed in the wake of Obama victory'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many other jobs will be cut below 30hrs a week'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'people i've talked to really think Black people vote for Obama only because he is black.. Ignorant in my opinion and quite offensive. Your thoughts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really don't think you know enough black people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or possibly, you only know the wrong kind of black people.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'what im saying is they claim that all black people only vote for him because he is black'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'it just sounds bias '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not the only reason, but from what I hear it's the majority reason.  ie, he's black AND...'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yea but thats liek saying i would vote for romney because im white'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'but people dont say that'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so they think white people have brains but black people are stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think it seems suspiciously like race when something like 98% of black voters for for the black candidate'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'black voters vote* for...'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'But that's not a very scientific approach. And there may be nothing wrong with voting based on race. Race is real, and it's not going away'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i think obama is on the right track. it just takes more than 4 years to accomplish'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: '350 million people in the US. Shit cant be fixed over night'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well that's a different discussion'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yea im drinking, so im switching topics '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, black people just think more in terms of racism.  If they aren't going negative against someone (usually whites), they're lauding the blacks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'clinton would have been re-elected in 2000 if he were allowed to run. true or false?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'true if it aint broke ont fix it'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'dont*'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yup. the only president to do something supposidely wrong and get away with uit'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm not black, but I can't really blame them for paying attention to race, and being sensitive towards the only black candidate'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'his perosnal life had nothing to do with his job'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'ill bet if hilary runs in 2016 she would get elected'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'clinton as the first gentleman'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they get divorced?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i dont think so'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'it's for show if they are still married'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'no they'e still together. I think Rand Paul should win in 2016'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'he's a lot better than his dad. Less of an idealogue'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul is a sellout'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'b/c he's not his dad? '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just another GOP flunky'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'political gain.  If she did get elected, it'd look bad if she were single, worse if she were unmarried but dating, and worst if she brought in Bill.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Both of the Paul clan are fools'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why do you say that tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Flach for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'if we merged republican and Democrat togheter we would have a stable gov't'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'John shithead says he is willing to work together  now'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's sold out to the establishment, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no future in party politics'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like we have now?  Or are you saying to eliminate majorities in both houses?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't think he was every trying to be a libertarian like his Dad. It seems to me he is working hard on reducing deficits, he took a hard approach to the NDA, wants to reduce foreign spending'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we can watch his record and see what he does'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i belive in a system where the gov't establishes basic law and then passes everything to the states. In other words, the gov't would collect taxes from the state only and madate specifc things but leave it up to the states to build off of that if they choose'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you don't support either party, Rampagne'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so the individual would only get taxed by the state'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'In an ideal world, that would be great'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'well that was the fucking point of establishing this country'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, it's over now'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America as was is done'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'basically the federal gov't provides a postal service, central banking, social security and a military'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'then the states do the rest'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states will soon no longer exist as politically relevent entities'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'health care should be mostly private industry and then some gov.'t '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'plus, with Rand Paul, he's preferable to just about every other Republican. Allan West had potential, but looks like he's losing his seat'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the bright side, people are going to get the tyranny they voted for'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the old GOP needs to go though'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never win the votes of the welfare and immigrant masses, give it up, it's a lost cause'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'More seniors voted for Romney than Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i think they need to make it so that if you have a major surgery and it costs an extrodinary amount, your credit not be hurt as long as you are mkaing some sort of payment that is allowign you to live your life'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seniors will die'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'new one's will take their place'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'and save moeny too.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't be romney supporters'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they'd die quicker if we could send them to the camps.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turkeys don't vote for xmas'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'ur credit is unaffected by not paying medical bills'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'thats not correct'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'ya it is research it '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i know student loan debt isn't as logn as you are making payments'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not paying your overdue library dues affects your credit.  Hell, even checking your credit score affects your credit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I have,and you are wrong.  It is given less importance by many, but it does affect it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so if you have a 200k student loan ebt, it's not taken into consideration if you buy a house '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'research it dont argue lol i know what im talking about it will never affect your ability to buy a house or a car'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i dont think employers should be allowed to look at credit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'certain crimes should be forgiven as well. lot of people that clean their life up still cant get jobs because of their criminal record'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'They should be able to if you are entering a position where you have access to money'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't want to be in a low paid job in USA right now, facing either redundancy or a huge tax hike'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'entitlement shit needs to go away. fuck the lazy people'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Yeah, fuck safety nets.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'They look hard into my credit background, but thats only because I have to maintain a security clearance'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the rich ones are who feel entitled'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sellers should not be allowed to look at your credit either.  Should have to do the checking yourself and distribute copies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'some women in line were voting and saudf obama needs to win so they can sit at home and get that welfare check'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Oh, some women in line? Guess the whole Obama camps is just a bunch of lazy pricks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'are you as contractor or govy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't stop welfare checks, but should neuter those who collect em'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I am a government contractor, working as a civvie for the military'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i work for the gov as a govy'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i only have a public trust though'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: '91% of all entitlement money goes to disabled or those over 65, so you really aren't eliminating much waste when you take out welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I have a secret clearance with a completed SSBI, so basically TS'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'you can only be on welfare for 2 months and after that.. fuck em'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks' like O is goving after the internet, guns, and carbon taxes first though'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so you had to take the poly?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i couldnt pass those. i'd be too nervous. i knew someone who said the person giving it is a prick'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'No, dont have an actual TS that requires it'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The SSBI is the roughest part of getting TS though'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'and i would ask folloow up questions and end up pissing them off'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont really care about a poly, I have nothing to hide.  But my job only requires a secret with SSBI, so thats all I get for now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12-11-12 tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'tigernuts, are there a lot of people in the UK who take advantage of the gov't?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's epidemic here because of the breakdown of the housing market and low end wages'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'what is a racist term for poor white trash in the UK?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't one'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'wanker? nounce?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'redneck'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our media doesn't make a big issue of race unlike msnbc'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'US media sucks.. freedom of the press is too loose]'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'the media loves to ruin peoples lives'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mind freedom of the press, just need to remember most of yours is owned by democrat interests'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from fox'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which is owned by republican interests'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't think there's an inherent problem with biased media, so long as you read all the different news sources and become more informed. Yes, that includes Fox'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i would knock a news anchor's teeth donw their throat if they put a camera in my face and statted asking questions'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's pretty funny what happened with the terms redneck and nigger.  Redneck used to be a proud title that meant you were a hardworking and motivated person, but now it makes fun of one's intellect.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't, i'd answer him'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i would say i felt threateneed'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'but then again.. it woulld just be capturedon someones cell phone and then everyone will tyihnk im a dick'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you don't want to be caught on obamaphone decking a news reporter'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'obama is not a communist'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'true. Communists believe in power of the people. Obama believes in power of the Presidency'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'fox news says "fair and balanced" bull shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'and rush limbaugh is a fat piece of shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And Chris Matthews is a saint!'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is as close to a communist as you'll get outside china'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a collectivist, and a centralist'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'control should never be given to one group or person'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late for that now, what with all the armed federal cops and groups permeating the country'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the chief problem with biased media is that they report on the wrong things'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'never seen em'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Given the options that we had for the election, Obama was the best we could do.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'the media loves celebrities which i think is pathitc'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go to your local airport, bus station or train station'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'well yea.. FAA regulations. that's been that wasy forever'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that their reporting is biased is easier to adjust for, but if 95% of "news" is worthless nonsense, you need a higher level strategy'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it hasnt''
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'the FAA have always been in airports since i was a kid'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the TSA were formed in 2001'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'not FAA, but the TSA'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they started heading outside airports in 2010'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'who the fuck ran the scanners before 2001'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also no real evidence that Obama is less bad than Romney, or indeed significantly different on key issues other than a preference for who is to provide solutions'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'airport security of some sort, i'd guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the important issues were mostly not part of either campaign'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Rampagne: Theres always been screeners, it just wasn't a unified group until 2001'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i rarely flew when i was a kid'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i guess i never noticed'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so who ran it? contract company?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or Airport employees'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i've carried razors on an airplane before.. they are not as thorough as you think'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i carried a blade on their as well.. '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'makes you feel safe, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Long ago I did the same, but I agree that it really isnt a good idea to allow it these dayhs'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Nope, but it makes you look stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'you could walk thjrough security to go meet people back in the day'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i remember i flew to gatwick once. taking that train to victoria station'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'wish i had a direct to heathrow'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'tigernuts, you ever go to white chapel in london?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'that area made me so uncomfortable'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm allergic to London'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i thought i was going to get stabbed'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are worse places'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dagenham'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'where?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like walking through downtown Kabul'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'are the bade areas mostly in the outter zones'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate all of London, but east london has a particularly bad reputation'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'my friend got drunk as shit and got off the wrong bus stop at 3 AM'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'three lads pulleda knife on him'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you surprised?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'so he pulled out his cake and they cut slices for everyone and everyone got DIABETUS!!!! OMG SCARY'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'are there more group muggins than one on one?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard of any'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'are there gangs?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly foreigners'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'same here'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though not exclusively'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'the accent would make me feel more at ease if i got mugged'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'here i would be scared shitless'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do with muggers is break their face'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're invariably cowards or desperate'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Strategic relocation'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'try to get a hold of one of them, get their knife and stab him in the neck and start cutting until the knife comes out the jugular '
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'then the other two will fear you'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do tend to get arrested in the Uk for defending yourself'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i'd be gone. the UK doesnt have access to the US fingerprints database'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'and they dont have a right to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop them'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the intelligence services do collude'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yup. i know. i was kiding'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually to get around laws in each others countries regarding wiretapping and such'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'best thing to do is run i guess. i'd be so scared if i got mugged.'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the expectation in law is that you run or capitulate'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i was told you have freedom of speech but you cant make statemetns about the royal family'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so what happens if you do that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have freedom of speech, you were misinformed'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so if i went into a crowed and said the prime minister is a faggot, would i go to jail?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'damn'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, probably not jail, but you're be arrested'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true if you tweeted it'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'so if i go on twitter as an american and shit talk about the prime minister do they have a right to warn me and tell me to stop?'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'very interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had some guy arrested for being nasty to an olympic diver over twitter, another guy imprisoned for a slogan on a tshirt'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'numerous people inprisoned for "inciting riots" on facebook and blackberries'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and protests have to be pre-booked with the police'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh joy, my beloved dictat..err.government are interfering in Syria, silly bastards'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, more claims coming out that US Border Patrols sold assault weapons to mexican drugs cartels'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By the power of Donkey!  I have the power!'
T3/r7/2012-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peppermint ice cream is surprisingly good.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'British banker divorces husband because wouldn't have kinky Shades of Grey S&M sex (seriously, it's because she read the book). Cites "unreasonable behaviour":'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm here '
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the US is going to overtake Russia and Saudi Arabia as the top producer of oil soon.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US applied for 520,000 patents last year, China did 570,000, and Japan did 344,000.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'R&D increased by 9.7% in the US last year, and is expected to increase the same this year.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no wonder japan is floundering....they keep creating stupid things like a refridgerator that wont open unless you smile at it.  The winner of the tokya electronics conf top prize for 2011....'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iraq is expected to be producing about 8.5 million barrels of oil per day by 2030....or about $200 billion per year in oil sales for their economy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps they could pay us back for helping them out....say $5 billion a year for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man in UK arrested for posting picture of a burning rememberence day poppy on social media'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's why they need a written constitution'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but people shouldn't do stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, so that governments can ignore it like America does?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Our speech is more protected than that'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would like to think so'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the Court has been very careful imo on the 1st amendment'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have been subverting it using a series of dubious measures such as inappropriately applying medical arguments'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's why USA is full of neo-nazis'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Vost is right. There is a National Socialist parade here in Charlotte this weekend'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Charlotte, NC'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a similar march in my local city here, media made a big deal of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's before we get on to the election fraud and the unfolding libya/syria debacle'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things are going baaaaad'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, yes, Obama only won because of election fraud. Blah blah, shut the fuck up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody even mentioned Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's you. You ALWAYS whine about Obama (or the Democrats).'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'election fraud works both ways, you realise'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... you whined about Socialists... and then segued into election fraud. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to piece together what you were implying.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No matter how big of a weasel you are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where did I say anything bad about socialists?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'same ole republics. rhetoric '
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'republican *'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did you STOP claiming socialists are evil?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citation please'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you think we're senile? Every single week you whine about socialists and communists (which you seem to think are the same thing, by the way).'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lest we start calling you Mr Hurricane'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now you're lying about what you yourself constantly talk (whine) about?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, i'm not the one frothing at the mouth and chewing on their own shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'when caught just do what republicans do ... defer attention never accept faults '
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the talk was freedom of speech, some neo-nazi marches, voting fraud and the ongoing war in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that's right, how silly of me, I forgot, you can't actually -talk- about anything of substance, all you can do is swear, shout and froth'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go chew on a shoe or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know "National Socialists" were Neo-Nazi.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'there's ur citation'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But apparently they were.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'he said they were one and the same when he mentioned their parade in reference to neo Nazis'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I'll actually recant this time. I saw "National Socialist" and assumed you were, as usual, whining about how bad Socialists were.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: About this sound Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (helpˇinfo), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party,'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history clearly not a strong point, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's ANOTHER party. The UK National Socialist Movement is a British Neo-Nazi group that's INSPIRED by the German one. Not the same party, however, for obvious reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was talking about the UK National Socialist Movement? The were talking about a march in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'do you have anything useful to say, or are you babbling your crap again?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine. the NSM in the US is the exact same thing, only in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he's on the "shit, i've been proven incorrect, let's grasp at some technicalities to save face"'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except he got caught out twice'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I got caught not knowing that you were referring to a Neo-Nazi movement isntead of just Socialists as a whole. Meanwhile, you just claimed you don't frequently complain about Socialists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHich is basically the biggest lie told... this week (on this channel)... by you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i frequently complain about what political parties that were once socialist, tonight wasn't one of those times'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No... you often complain about socialists... and also equate them to communists...'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yes, tonight was, surprisingly, not one of those times. And I have already recanted my accusations. I was wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, socialism and communism are different points of the same scale'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I haven't spent enough time in Britain to know how credible a movement NS is there, but in the States, it barely qualifies as fringe, march or no march.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but he equates them 100%. He claims a socialist is the same thing as a communist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do not'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I've never understood the real difference between socialism and communism. Socialism keeps in place the gov't structure in the end phase, communism doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, rhavage'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh? "Obama is a communist!" "Why?" "Because he wrote about how he has socialist principles!" "Those are socialist principles!" "They're the same thing!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more a group of disenfranchised people arguing about the islamification of the country'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Basically two different "conversations" we've held at different points in time, paraphrased.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Explain the difference between socialism and communism. I've never understood it'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communist, not socialist'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collectivist, not socialist'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: '"islamification" lawl ignorance ftw that's where I got what wanted to see'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's just repeating words back to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same group are anti-immigration just generally'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't support them, though i support their right to protest'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Basically, you can't be a communist without being a socialist but you can be a socialist while not being a communist. The whole "collective ownership" thing is the cornerstone of socialism.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Communism is everything else that's related to communism.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone get arrested in the Charlotte march?'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It hasn't happened yet. Unless you mean the DNC'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think a few people got arrested at that, but the protests weren't all that big'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People don't get arrested for marching in protests as long as they're peaceful (and have permits).'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No matter what you seem to think, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't need a permit'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course you need a permit. You can't just rally thousands and march down the streets, disrupting traffic and everyday life and business willy nilly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Should or not, those are the rules, and they've been in place for a hell of a long time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For one thing, there'd be no way for the police to guarantee everyone's safety.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police don't guarantee safety anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fine, it'd be impossible for the police to even BEGIN to try to keep people safe.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for closing streets, fine, grab a permit, but for an event held off streets there should be no requirement'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They may not be able to guarantee safety, but they promote order. I'm with Yuna on this.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'ANd it'd be the perfect time for people to just start a riot and loot and go on a crime spree while the police are scattered and have to try to contain the tide.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no absolutely no need for a permit (in MOST jurisdictions) if you just want to gather a group of friends or small group of people and hang out in a park of some shit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet the greeks protesting in Athens don't have a permit :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who knows? I have no insight into the Greek judicial system.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how much longer it can hold together there'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did see that Texas's legislature has a bill going through at the moment outlawing invasive TSA patdowns'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be interesting to see what the administration's reaction to that and the pot laws in colorado and washington state'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be good indicators of the path the administration is going to take on the relationship between state and fed'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... "Gundam" is a word banned for personalized license plates by the U.S. DMV?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no US DMV, states do their own plates...'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, then it's just banned in Kansas (well, that we know of. It's possible it's banned in other states as well)'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still a pretty stupid bad.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ban'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ban likely had nothing to do with the song/dance, and more to do with something local that can be made of the letters, but dunno'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other news, John McAfee of McAfee Antivirus fame, is wanted for murder.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't use blatant profanity, etc in most states either'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you're thinking on Gangham. Gundam is a series of Japanese anime metaseries featuring giant robots.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, true, gundam wing'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the other thing has been so pervasive that's where my mind went :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like gold's headed back up'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'French Nutella fans are up in arms because a new proposed French tax would raise the costs of producing Nutella (because it's a tax on palm oil, of which Nutella consists of 20%) by a whopping 3.33 cents per pound! The horror!'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're happy with a 75% income tax band'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had an eerily similar problem here when they decided to try and add VAT to hot pasties and pies'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'The french love to strike.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also love to surrender'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and they love frog legs'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and hairy armpits'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now I think we've covered most of it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their fuel isn't quite as highly taxed as ours though'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure Citron quit or whatever, like, 5 years or so ago. That or she (?) just became nigh-invisible for the latter part of her tenure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the 2015 Ford Mustang is nice.'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ford makes mustangs?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda like a bulkier lamborghini'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Why did I think ferreri make the, I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'them rather'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aw, Hostess is going out of business.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet Bimbo foods buys the brand.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'now who will give us bowel cancer?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, for a cool $ 5 million invested in aussieland, you can buy residency in Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and raise donkeys?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is only $500k for the US, and $1.1 million for the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The ruling coalition of the Swedish parliament wants to introduce 1 period of phys. ed for EACH school day of the week because "obesity is increasing". Meanwhile, Sweden has approximately 1/3rd as many obese people as the U.S...'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'all hail 'le sweden''
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for younger children there appear to be good reasons to have an hour of moving around every day'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We already have 2 periods of phys. ed. a school week. I think 5 is too much.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I used to think that school should emphasize core subjects, like 1st language - math - 2nd language'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'school needs more subject like 'outsourcing parenting' and 'daycare for latchkey kids''
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I suppose I still do, since at least in Norway, you learn so little in the other (theoretical) subjects, anyone can catch up with 10ys of curriculum in a few weeks'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, in Swedish schools, we already do that. There are 3 "core subjects" you MUST pass in order to make it to the next grade: Swedish (1st language), English (2nd language) and Maths.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Now I tend to think more that the entire school system needs to be reformed and adapted to how children/real people learn'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, we don't teach to learn...we teach to answer questions on a test...'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since capacity for learning, ability to make sensible judgement calls, some self-insight etc is more important even than the core subjects'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'School is mostly about learning to reproduce solutions to certain types of closed form problems, but that isn't what school ought to be.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, mostly about storing kids while growing up, but the 'academic' part is mostly about reproducing those solutions..'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mirror subj - soz - can't follow atm - will revisit logs - TY '
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, a 500 mile lithium battery for vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard Texas is seceding from the Union...'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also that a large portion of the rest of the US wants to as well, but have not yet gotten through the proper procedures to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, a nearly-naked supermodel goes prancing down the runway and enough people's first reaction is "RACIST!" that Victoria's Secret is pulling the outfit from the show.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Uganda set to pass "anti-gay" legislationcc'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arse'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ireland pass legislation allowing UN takeover of their child-confiscation and childcare welfare laws'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Irish parliament can now confiscate, shoot up, or forcibly give abortions to kids without permission of parents and without any conviction of wrongdoing on behalf of the parents'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'could you clarify, parliment can shoot up children??'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give any form of medication or vaccination'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without consent'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or heroin'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could include heroine'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not what was intended, but doesn't preclude that'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, staggeringly naive and overbearing regulation'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aardwolf Hotel?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, San Diego residents face 6 years in prison for washing their car'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty typical of California's bizarre environmental lawssa'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty typical of California's bizarre environmental laws'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure you're just bullshitting again based on faulty/incomplete information.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And a source would be found where?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/editorial/that-dog-may-cost-you-a-day/article_236d6cf2-31d5-5ec4-ac9a-d8b12d082c59.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I hate walking near sprinklers'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As usual, you're exaggerated out of your fucking ass.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today, HEARINGS began on DRAFTS for new laws.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't write the newspaper article, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you just SUCK at reading comprehension.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claimed the laws were ALREADY IN EFFECT.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But they aren't. Which you would've known if you could comprehend basic English.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, "under the draf rules, ordinary homeowners face"'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which bit of that did you have trouble with/'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"face" doesn't claim they're already in effect you dunce'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"As regional water-quality officials BEGIN HEARINGS on new regulations that seem "'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the key word here is "draft rules". Do you even know what the word "draft" means in this context?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rest of the news was too depressing to repeat'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the comments pretty much call bullshit on the article.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not too interested in what the comments say, since comments are usually from dregs of society. The fact that there are draft regulations being penned that even contemplate it is enough'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The point is that as usual, you're an alarmist prick who'll cry wolf whenever possible.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the draft would be more fitting coming from Oregon, the state that insists all rain that falls on the state belongs to the state'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you'll exaggerate EVERYTHING and NEVER apologize when you get caught.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or even recant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you think nothing exists until after it's happened'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must be chinese or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that sounds racist'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can something "exist until after it's happened"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chinese people don't believe anything they see or hear until their government denies it'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Before. Exist before.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Perhaps we should have an "Aardwolf readers don't believe anything they see or hear until Yuna screams bullshit at it"'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you just stop fucking lying?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Laws are being drafted and discussed" =/= "Laws are in effect already!!!!!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said laws were in effect already, you're just getting senile'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"heh, San Diego residents face 6 years in prison for washing their car"'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's you blatantly stating that the laws are already in effect.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can they FACE anything if the laws are not YET in effect or have even been voted through the legislature yet?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'face doesn't have that meaning'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course it does.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in your delusional mind'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now you're going to redefine the English language to weasel your way of another lie.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else it'd be "sentenced"'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Typical.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you all face nuking for arbitrary rules someone is imagining right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'would you agree with the sentence 'San Diego residents face a potential 6 years in prison for washing their car'?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are such arbitrary rules being penned?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can pen them if you want!'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not if there are absolutely no laws in place for such a thing to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or considered? if yes, then yes, i am'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They cannot face such penalties if no such laws exist at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'x faces y under new proposals'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hence the term potential'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'facing something doesn't mean you will get it'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'xxx faces a death penalty for murder accusation'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'complain to the writers, i'm not terribly interested in your constant bitching over terminology yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good night :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'this sentence is false if xxx is innocent, but not false if xxx is guilty?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's absolutely no law in place that will give a death penalty to an innocent'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, this is why it is preferable to make clear something is someone else's writing. eg. "XYZ" - Hinterpommern Daily'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a test of probability to it... if you say that you face obliteration by meteor strike every time you fly, people will mock you'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Used to be very popular a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would have merit if he'd been first.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But he was LAST.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I really need to stop mischanning Debta.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Debta.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you been drinking?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... I think my zMUD's got some weird alias that rewrites deba-te as Debta for some weird reason.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Must've been due to some weird mispressings of buttons that I didn't notice.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'then how are you talking on this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good point. Possibly I'm just tired (it's 02:45 A.M. Idiot roomate spent the entire night talking very loudly on Skype).'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'that's what calculus books are for.. one whack upside his head and you can sleep'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'although i use my edition of stewart as a booster seat at the piano'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm glad my idiot roommates are moving out. Two of them NEVER do their dishes unless I scream at them. The other has absolutely no respect for me or the time. She'll waltz into the kitchen at 4 in the morning and bang around in order to make Kool Aid and wake me up (my room is adjacent to the kitchen) and not even be apologetic about it when I yell at her. And she'll keep me up at night with loud conversations on Skype or some shit. I basically kicked them all out, but they have 'til the end of the month.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost freaks out, screaming "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm gonna screen my future roommates veeery closely.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'charge them extra so you can eventually soundproof your wall.. turn your room into a panic room'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, too late. Already kicked them out (gave them 30 day's notice).'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One of them even got ME basically kicked out of the apartment due to misbehavior. I managed to negotiate the landlord down, but I'm not staying now that there's bad blood, so I'm currently apartment hunting. She's not even sorry or recognizes that she did anything wrong. Moral of the story: Don't let immature idiots move in with you. The girl who got me kicked out is mano-depressive (a fact she did NOT disclose 'til she'd moved in) and has since stopped taking her meds. The 2nd roommate and his girlfriend are 16 and 18 respectively and HIGHLY irresponsible.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I needed roommates to cover the rent. I'll make sure never to go for the easy option. I'll conduct thorough interviews and vetting from now on.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'No offense, but what did you expect with a 16/18 yo?'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 18 yearold SEEMED responsible and nice. But I suspect he's just a habitual liar.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prior to moving in and actually for a month or two, he was perfectly pleasant and responsible, but that quickly went out the window. One day, he started dating the 16 yearold and said "She'll probably move in with us sometime in the future" and one day I came home to her in the house and they just expected me to let her live with us.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They agreed to have her pay 1/4th of the rent despite sharing his room so I figured "Well... I guess I can live with that, especially since she'll probably at least be able to help him do the dishes" but then they BOTH just started leaving their dishes behind... for days on end.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, their laughable excuse? "We don't have time to do the dishes. We have school and other commitments! So we'll do yesterday's dishes in the morning before going to school or right when he come back from school. We don't have the time to do the dishes right after eating, though! That would be insane!" (meanwhile, they spend hours a day gaming and on Youtube and watching movies and whatnot). I feel like I'm living in a reality show with some of the worst roommates possible.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's a trust fund baby, though, so he's set for life. And an only child. His parents are related to a famous Swedish singer, so he's even from "noble stock" or whatever. Which explains why he's so fucking spoiled. Too bad I didn't know any of this before he moved in.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I kicked them all out (well, I kicked two of them out, the 3rd went along with them, as I expected she would) and they're all planning on moving in together. I'm secretly elated at the thought of the three of them living under the same roof. I want to see how long they can last.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I always do my dishes. I will then ask them to do theirs. There'll always be dishes left over and they'll all blame each other. They also habitually steal each others' food, none of them will buy common shared household items such as cooking oil or toilet paper unless told to (despite the fact that there's a store on the way to our house from the subway station). They're all pigs who always leave the bathroom in a mess and the boyfriend and girlfriend often talk shit about the 2nd girl and vice versa. I look forward to them falling apart in their new apartment.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because I'm petty like that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I have no idea how they managed to expend twice or three times as much electricity as any reasonably human being. Our electric bills are often through the roof.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elxi: 'If he's got money why didn't you just hire a housekeeper and charge them (granted it wouldn't stop the annoying one)'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they're unreasonble fucktards. They wouldn't agree to footing the entire bill for the housekeeper and I don't feel like paying a single red cent for THEIR mess.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I spoke to soon. The fucktard loudmouth is STILL on Skype.'
T3/r7/2012-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She works nights and will oftne come home in the morning and sleep 'til the afternoon and I try to be as silent as I can when she does that out of respect but fuck that shit. The minute I wake up tomorrow, I'm gonna boot up Dance Central 3 and dance my ass off. Loudly. At a high volume. Fuck respect for those fuckers. I'm sick and tired of taking the high road and not living my life the way I want to because I have roommates.'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is quiet tonight ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any non game news  ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you only watch one link tonight, watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5zNwOeyuG84'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it sums up the major problem with geopolitics, syria, and american administration(s) approach'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Panetta needs to be sacked'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why states want to secede'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among the reasons'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why some in those states want to'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"I worship the CFR - I'll consider the input of Congress to what I do"'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Good one, Leon'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you heard the interview with Dr Steve Pieczenik, and i'm inclined to believe him'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen all the news reports of generals and other high ranking army officials being removed'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure that has nothing to do with people knowing inconvenient things or being on the wrong side of some political divide.'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You know about the secession petitions, right'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's Dr Pieczenik's belief, Tinada, that the CIA is basically now groups of hired mercenaries paid to do things legal and illegal outside of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google being complicit in covering up hits'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'same with Benghazi'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that the Army is having all of leaders that wouldn't take orders from civilians to do illegal things removed from power'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That youtube link shows Panetta and Dempsey pretty much saying the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the chain of command has been subverted'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a whole raft of different reasons, i'm inclined to agree, and especially agree that there needs to be a cleanup of all the dodgy generals, the CIA needs disbanding and a smaller foreign intelligence service brought under the wing of the military'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought pretty much everything about colonel was a political game'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'above, not about..'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this all ties into the Petreaus case'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like, why was the FBI spying on the Director of CIA's emails without a warrant?'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'd be an outcry if a sitting president's email was hacked by the FBI'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'Sean Hanninty's head is literally going to explode. Pres Obama just praised the relief efforts in Northeast.'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the effort? no fuel, limited water, no electric, and an incomptetant FEMA?'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'not agreeing or disagreeing with his statement. but i cant wait to hear hannity implode about it'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Pretty sure Petraeus was just a Benghazi cover-up'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petraeus is a fallguy, clearly'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Scapegoat all the "liabilities"'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you've got Israel trying to drag Syria, Egypt, and Iran into war'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and at the same time, stop markets plunge in the face of the fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's just stalling until things are in place'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'one QE will blow it up as a pin pricks a balloon'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's all going pretty much as commentators said it would: economic meltdown, and while it's going on, war in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes you proud to be American, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sounds like the idea was to cripple home-America around the time the mask is pulled off'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime you have muslim brotherhood, for which Al-Qaeda are a military support branch for, are in charge of Libya, Egypt, Yemen, soon to be Syria'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same people that we've been fighting to put in charge are the very same people used as an excuse to role out a surveillance police state'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'people are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As if the NDAA weren't evidence enough'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough for some, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people will deny it right up until the point they find themselves in a prison camp'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though those like Yuna will probably end up being the prison camp guards'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now Israel is commiting further war crimes bombing the crap out of Gaza'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will the whitehouse's response be to the petitions?'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'white noise'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Texas have a legal right to leave whatver the administration says'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the terms of their joining'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Texas goes, the rest will probably have to follow'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other good news, US budget deficit in October up 22% '
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2kKZQyKJ3h8'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ptIOKxo6LZs'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK unemployment 'statistics' fell 49,000 in october, government inflation 'statistics' rose to 2.7%'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation set to continue to rise as fuel tax rises and sizeable increases in energy bills as a result of governments energy policies kick in next year'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Congressional Budget Office DIrector Douglas Elmendorf testified before the House Budget Committee that Obamacare would cost 800,000 jobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prices set to rise across the board as businesses pass on the cost'
T3/r7/2012-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Maine and Rhode Island legislators to introduce bills to legalise marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lunchtime news: Foodstamp recipients in Ohio will see their entitlement drop by $50 thanks to the way it is calculated from the previous years weather (among other things). The announcement conveniently coming after the election'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a lot of things are conveniently coming after the election'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really a surprise, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'replace democracy with ... Anarchy ? ... capatalism ... both power forms exist in present day democracy and have an impact on it , imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to be fair, the U.S. isn't a democracy, but I know what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama caught lying in a press conference: "What we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago."'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might explain why he's running a >$1tn debt, since he has no concept of stats'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He was probably using a speech written in 1998 or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Should cut the poor man some slack'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Obama caught lying at the press conference: If you want to have a discussion about Benghazi, I'm more than willing to do that'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lie'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-i-am-a-firm-believer-that-climate-change-is-real'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'speaking of obama: http://tinyurl.com/arjtsk8'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Climate change is real, the climate is always changing!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'And the grand mullah quotes that one historian who says that the holocaust didn't happen...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my issue with it is this: there's tons of really important problems surrounding ecology, pollution, and sustainability'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why to they duck these issues and use instead mantras that are demonstrably dodgy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Although apparently UN publications and 'scientific consensus' is not a great predictor of future changes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or put another wayL: You don't need to lie about there being global warming to argue for clean renewable energy'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why lie?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all sol'ns that adress the real problems are not very popular ... imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that coupled with comparative advantage loss are real disincentives to tackling the "real" problems imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectrum'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'A primer for those who don't know the physics...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbody_radiation'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's lovely, sonshi, it neither describes global emission trends, doesn't explain other influences, doesn't justify current policy, nor explain the lies'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in case you don't know what "lie" means http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lie'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know full well what lie means, and so do you'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the physics is simple, more greenhouse gas, more heat goes in than goes out'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the physics is hardly simple...the physics is oversimplified'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the climate of this planet isn't defined that simply'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the fact that radiation forcing increases is simple...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if it was the only mechanism at work, you'd be right, but there's many more variables'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the part that is "hardly simple" comes when you have to put in feedback effects'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right...you mean the part that means that your entire premise is incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but we know which direction the equilibrium moves, easily'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'feedback effects only determines how far the equilibrium moves, not which direction'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi is arguing that cold potatoes are hot while Obama is lying about the world being flat'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't, evne'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the statement which began this particular thread was not a statement that "global warming is caused by xxx" or "exists"...the statement was "these measurements changed in this way"...which is not true'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'long term climate modeling is imo like guessing if I'll be drunk tomorrow - the answer is yes but what effects and how that plays out is determined on so many as yet undifined variables  :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I did address that statement with one statement...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact of the matter is this: as population increases, co2 in the atmosphere will increase, the climate will change'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not that I saw'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that's why you see climate agencies stopping their practices of trying to predict weather, for instance, NOAA doesnt' give hurricane forcasts anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even without the population, climate will change'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '[15 Nov 07:56:28] (Debate) Sonshi: 'And the grand mullah quotes that one historian who says that the holocaust didn't happen...''
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and I have another 2 bottles of vodka in the freezer .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which again has no bearing...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are we talking about the same statement here?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'global average temperature over the past year'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err decade'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global average temperature has been static over the last 16 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Obama's statement is incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most studies I've seen show it rising'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too many times I have this go down as a pissing contest or lost in semantics (usually in backpedaling from the first scenario) - lets see if this is any different ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most studies will show data only up to the mid 2000's'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'studies or recent statistic compilation?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like the ice content of the north pole, the data only goes back to 1970'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the mid 2000s was 16 years ago. Ok.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the topic is convoluted by different investigating bodies playing with their own data'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on sonshi, grab some data points and plot a line of best fit, '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any cloth eared mathematically illiterate person can see if you have more data in the series, the line changes'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cloth eared?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- so what we can do about this is pretty simple .. what Are you doing about following simple solutions ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the data for the last 16 years throws major doubt on those models'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what data? You mean the data which still shows that average temperatures are still elevated?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elevated at 0.4 degrees above the previous average?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'elevated isn't the same as rising...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that' the same problem as comparing the artic ice levels to 1970'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world didn't start in 1970'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the statement was specifically regarding the vector, not the level'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Climate science is still to a large extent working in a pre-scientific paradigm - they are collecting more numbers and doing fancy inferential analysis, leading to a situation where you are right or wrong with a higher level of confidence or precision.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2011/13'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's perfectly consistent with rising temperatures. Given that the average temperature rise is well below annual variation, you can't expect the signal over any given 10 year period to rise above the noise with high probability'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If Obama claimed that the temperature increases at a quicker rate than UN/consensus models estimated 10 years ago, then it is going to be difficult to provide facts to back up that statement, I think :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's at best divisive handwaving statistics'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like throwing a slightly loaded die ten times and claiming that you don't see any bias'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then I'm reading that wrong, cuz it looks to support tiger's statement to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, those figures sonshi produces do not show a trend'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's why we have a large data set, so that the error is lower'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(you do know what a trend is, right?)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or largely flawed data . '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I have seen scientists complaining about sample biases'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ranked temperatures is consistent with warming, and inconsistent with not-warming'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's a different issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not show that'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not what i'm reading in it, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'second column of the first table, for example'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not relevent'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, the first histogram'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the first table shows consistent temperatures throughout the 21st century...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can more or less observe the annual variation...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '2011 being cooler than 2001'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i look at your histogram i see rising temperatures from the 1950s to the mid/late 90s, then it being stable'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gee, I threw a 6 then a 1, obviously the die cannot be loaded'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, the annual variation which is fluctuating (in TWO directions) between .50 and .64'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what were the global temperatures doing before 1950?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, i'm old enough to remember scientists claiming that we were about to go into an ice age'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that chart doesn't include years before that, but you can dig it up elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'boring scientists who think the sun is important seem to believe it's getting colder again for the next cycle or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare they think the sun might have anything to do with our climate, that's a conspiracy theory!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also seriously question the assumed measurement error for the surface temperature sets'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, but the chart in itself is not trending upward in a year-over-year "greater rate than we predicted in 2002"'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not only the methodology and the scare tactics, it's what's being done "in the name" of climate change'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the sun's cycle is bounded in both directions, at least at this stage in the sun's life.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just an excuse for big corporations to make huge amounts of money, and for authoritarians to stick their boot on the people's head'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only 3 of the years since 2002 were higher than 2002...can you agree with that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but all of the years after 2000 were...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You say that as though it's a bad thing, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'loaded dice, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've already had energy prices going up here 10% a year for the last few years thanks to climate change based taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America looks like it's going to follow'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you examine what this money is used for? profits for energy companies'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that taxes go to the govt right, not corporations...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy is right there - the current mining/carbon tax is as much about decreased revinue stram for gov as anything sels - gov (and Taxation) is becoming increasingly irrelavent - global warming etc is the popular lever whereby gov can increase revinue imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do know what the green energy levy is used for in the UK, Sonshi? You do know how much tax money US administrations gave to green energy companies, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your govt wants to take the tax money and throw a party or something, that has nothing to do with the idea of the tax itself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all they needed to do was legislate maximum CO2 emissions on new plants, and give some form of time scale for existing ones to implement'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the markets would have sorted it out'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's your govt being nuts'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's from the UN, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the tax were large enough, there'd be no need to subsidise any company.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while it might be UK's implementation, or the US implementation, that's what the UN wants'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does have to do with it when the tax itself is (from the onset and passing of it) earmarked for that purpose'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure what physical law prevents the tax from not being earmarked for dumb things'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'physical law?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should not be in the game of picking winners'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the same reason they should have no bailed out banks, or allow them to create money'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a tax being passed which is earmarked for dumb things is a dumb tax regardless of what is being taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Abe - Oz gov does n ot earmark tax - was tried once with fuel and roads - was a fail according to old bikers/truckers '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the tax itself is good. Just don't waste the money, and use it for sensible things'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so claiming that the tax is a good idea with that as the premise is bad'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, Abe has the right of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, like how the same applies to other tax revenues...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tobacco tax atm - not earmarked for hospitals '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the tax is not, and cannot be, good when that's what the tax is for (not what it's on...what it's for)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The third IPCC report was from 2002 (2001?) and said temps up by 3ish-degrees (+/- 2) by 2100, so about 0.3c per decade, I don't think anyone believes the temp has increased by more than that estimate since then'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, except for Obama, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now, they can always sidestep my claims by just having the tax be for the general coffers...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, if the UK government put a levy on energy and used that money directly to build sensible largescale energy.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same will be true of the tax coming in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, what's preventing the tax from going into the general fund? Why must you insist it gets wasted?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi: the way the tax is written'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they didn't have to write it that way...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is not, never has, and never will, go into the general coffer without rewriting of the law that passed it'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right...writing it that way MADE IT a bad tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that's not the way that supporters of pigouvian taxation want it to be done'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know the net effect of this carbon tax will have in the USA, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because i can tell you'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any idiot can tell you'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will put energy prices up'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in exactly the same way that obamacare will cost jobs and put prices up'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so? It's easy enough to adjust for that'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that's because the supporters of the tax benefit monetarily from the way it's written...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adjust HOW?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so OF COURSE they want it to be done that way'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok eugenics perhas but while buisness rewards and grows functional individuals and the gov must provide for the opposite gov wil always be reliant on the functional in private enterprise for tax... we can't kull the baggage ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give everyone $100 a year or something similar'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't, Sonshi, the money is already spent'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh yay, rebates'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, whether energy prices going up is a good or bad thing can be debated as well...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'non earmarked rebates ... waste'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'again, that's an issue with your govt. They can waste *any* revenue that way'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's definitely not a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for things costing an amount reflective of their true cost, which is why i'm anti-duty'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anti-chinese imports'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who said anything about rebates? Back home they hand people cash, you can do what you want with it'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd imagine that people drive cars a lot less distance (and for a lot less trivial purposes) in europe than the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can call it a rebate, but it's still cash'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sonshi: handing you cash is the very definition of a rebate'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the point of taxing people then giving it back to them?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you gave them money...they give you some back...that's a rebate'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I thought a rebate is a refund of a cost...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like an excuse for beuracracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hand em a voucher instead - scial engineering is done is such wayss '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, lunchtime is over, i need to get back to work'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dream wel Tiggy'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because it changes the structure of taxation in a favourable way. And it's cheaper if you give everyone the same amount. No need for means testing'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, but then you get the screamers that "you're giving the millionaires rebates"'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps a classical deb setting - moderator would make this chann more effective ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(not that there's anything that can be done without someone screaming)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, they'd need to be more effective at explaining things, yes...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it's easy to point out that the cash is peanuts to the rich anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Abe as long as it is not the ppl that contribute to campaign funds that are screaming - who cares '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and peanuts compared to their additional tax burden too'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nobody wants to hear "he paid 2M in taxes", merely that "he paid 13%"'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and inversly penuts compared to the long term implications .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'exactly... explain that the $100 handout is 0.001% of their income, or something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the US capital gains rate is a bit on the low side'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'should be pushed up to 30% or so/be closer to tax rates on income from work'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course you can argue that companies already paid tax on the money'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'shouldn't be just flat 30%... Ought to be 0% on first 50k or something, then 30%, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any with exemption on owner occupied housing up to a certain level'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that will lead to overinvestment in private housing, which is not good for the economy overall'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh - too drunk - cracked 2nd bottle a while ago - will listen in but void future contributions - '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, if you look around you in most wealthy countries, it has already led to..'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tz - spectator '
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether it will lead to overinvestment in housing depends on expectations of future increase...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which can be managed with a strong public housing program'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'tax subsidies to sector x lead to overinvestment in sector x'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing magical about that'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only a subsidy if the real value of housing increases...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'obviously there has to be the expectation that the subsidy regime lasts for some time'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's a subsidiy if housing is treated more favourably than would normally be the case'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the rate of capital gain on housing is lower than that in the general economy, after taxes, it will be fine'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a strong public housing scheme will work as an "anti"-subsidy, cancelling out the effect'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Say, the base is you own a house worth 250k, market rent is maybe 20k, you live in the house, you get 20k added to your income when calculating tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to ensure symmetric treatment etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you would then also have to get full deductions for any interest paid'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public housing policy in the UK screwed up the housing market'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weren't you going to work?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am working :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like in most other markets, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing is, if you added sufficient supply such that there's little expectation of after-tax gain versus other sources of capital gains, there won't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What does make sense is to not tax capital gains before you sell the house - that does represent a tax subsidy, but the alternatives create more practical problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capital gains tax should be scrapped'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'long term increase in housing prices is fairly close to inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i agree that residential property investment for the purposes of making money on the VALUE of the property is bad'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the thing I have an issue with is, if you have a 300k house that goes to 600k because everything else has gone up by the same amount, if you tax that "gain", you can't move into a similar house.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here it isn't, Tinada'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I didn't say anything about land values!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why I think that up to a point, owner occupied housing should be exempt from capital gains...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'half of England geting sort of overcrowded by now'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'England was overcrowded by the mid 1950s'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'land values tend to track the growth of the economy rather than inflation. Since real growth tends to be positive over long periods of time...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth is largely an illusion'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... is this the school of everything-is-an-illusion?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then what? The school of only-agriculture-counts?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought it was quite clear - growth isn't what it's cracked up to be'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's very different from growth being an illusion'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially since the figures are inflated through deceptive interpretation of inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway, there is no capital gains tax on private housing that you have recently lived in yourself. Wealth tax is artificially low (based on around 30% of value, typically), and there is no calculated income tax either. All of this leads to housing prices being quite high.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth is nebulous, and not really a solution to anything. growth cannot continue indefinitely'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's "hey, I don't have any rice!" vs "hey, my rice has weevils in 'em!"'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Essentially, the 80% who own houses give themselves subsidies and make it harder for the remaining 20% to climb up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'solution: build more housing'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'other countries may not have similarly extreme tax subsidies, leading to less misallocation problems'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'build more housing where?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Uk was destroyed by buy-to-let housing, strangulation of land supply, and government subsidy of the rental market without building social housing'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the bottom line is we have too many people for a small amount of land'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Part of the point here is that the tax subsidies lead to people building too many/large/fancy houses compared to what they ought to (ie. more capital allocated to housing)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we don't have capital gains taxes... and we do have high housing prices... however, it's not a bubble if it's sustainable. And the govt really ought to build more housing to stem the rise in prices...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that part can not be solved by building more houses :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abelinc - somewhere with plenty of land. next to the city. Put in infrastructure, rail lines, commercial areas, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, but outside north america, there's not all that many places like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of places like that, just not places where people want to live'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in your home country, where would that extra housing go?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, all we can do is have massive public house building in cities, but it needs to be held onto by the state to force the rental prices down'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tinada - if you build large and fancy houses, capital gains taxation or lack thereof won't make a difference if the price rise is small...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, for us it's a bit hard given the lack of land... we often tear down old buildings'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but our neighbours have plenty of land...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most countries have land to spare...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, that was my point...it's not an issue at all in the US, but much of the rest of the world has a hard time just building more'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no shortage of housing in the UK, just nobody can afford it'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much of the rest of the world meaning the ten or so densely populated countries?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, people who have money cannot build the house that they want'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '10 or so...right'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not counting china, india, brazil, russia, which have plenty of land...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a eugenecist, but ultimately the Uk needs a population reduction of some 66% or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or france, germany, austria, italy, ukraine...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'remember that not all land can be used for housing (nor should it)...as far as habitable land, there's not all that much in many places'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most of the world has a population density which is a tiny fraction of mine... and we still have land which is yet to be released...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Capital gains alone will not make much of a difference, no. Calculated income for income tax purposes is most important.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guess nobody needs crops or livestock'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and wealth tax, if you have Norwegian rates for that..'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, yeah... but there's still plenty of space. If you build to even half our density, it wouldn't take up much space at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and (since we started the thread on an eco note) we certainly don't need to preserve any wildlands'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each area (whether state, country) should be capable of self sufficiency'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your density is criminal :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the space you'd need for housing is pretty small compared to the habitable space, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm certainly not saying build a ranch for everyone!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be dictating to everyone exactly what sort of house they should live in'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people want to live in cities, some people want to live in burbs, some want to live rurally'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much of the world already lives in tiny pigeonholes... why not build large pigeonholes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you aren't forcing people to live in the flats... you build it, and when you get to the target price, you slow down, adjust accordingly'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are effectively saying exactly that by making flats the only option'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would even lower the price of rural housing, as more people are drawn to cheap units'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the US, we had developers buying large tracts and building a shit-ton of small-medium cookie-cutter houses to sell, so entire working-class towns were founded by these guys just to sell lots of houses, worked out well for our geography, reasonable density without hearing your neighbor having sex }:>'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have thicker walls...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm just saying people should pay appropriate taxes for their pigeonholes. Misallocation apart, you really shouldn't be subsidizing people above a certain wealth level.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'seriously, I knock on the walls here and they sound hollow...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the Uk problems come from the way the planning system works. Big government-sponsored corps buy up huge parcels of land at agricultural price, government allows them to build on it, doesn't allow anyone else to build anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that "wealth level" is not indicative of sustainable level'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'net effect: building land price is insane'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I did say owner occupied up to a certain level...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they are hollow!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/3 acre building plot here you're looking at $250,000'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the first 20k times number of years lived is exempt or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if more people live in high density housing, there'd be more left for the rest, in some sense...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't though because of the way the planning system works. Building corps deliberately sit on land without building on it in order to keep the prices high'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem with the rows and rows of low density housing you see in the us is that the nearest doctor/dentist/market/food place, etc. is often more than a few minutes walk away'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why would they, instead of making more money? Unless they're all a cartel...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, wyv nearly got me earlier when i was distracted on debate'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'uh oh, Bono is now concerned about the fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone give him a shove over it, feckless self-publicising creep that he is'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fiscal cliff, noun. A device by which two parties claiming to be worried about deficits that are too large, actually worries about it being too small.'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and just as I say that, I get a bonus train and bonus tp. Questor agrees with me!'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which makes governments and bankers artificers of fiscal cliff erosion'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their action created the cliff and moves it closer to the people each day, slowly but unstoppable'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'deficits increase national debt and permit the rich to obtain government-guaranteed interest rates on the monies they previously accrued (perhaps from taxcuts)'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zela, and then wonder why banks aren't loaning to the little guys when they can make more money at less risk buying up bonds'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they print more money and give to the same banks..... who use it to buy more government debt'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they wonder why QE isn't working.................'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to fire your politicians...... preferably from a cannon off the fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Do you have a license for that kind of pollution?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you claiming politicians are toxic and non-biodegradable?'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you may have a point. hmm'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'inflation beggars the thrifty poor, inflation doesn't affect the extremely rich much as their wealth is diversified'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Zela, Sonshi's response to poor people affect by inflation is to have the government give them more money'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while all the time had they not inflicted it on them in the first place they wouldn't need to'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'starving off the poor so that the rich may avoid paying taxes is not a decent answer'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starving off the poor in order to control them is the plan'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the purpose of society is not so that the rich may become richer'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you think, and despite being right, is not a concern of theirs'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming to a street near you: Civil War II - Zombies vs Patriots'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Judging by the number of votes cast, more citizens support no party than all parties combined'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and mis..'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although sort of a nicely placed one'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woohoo'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder why US's postal service is losing such vast sums of money while the UK postal service posted record profits this year...'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, joy to my ears, Apple shares drop to a 6 month low'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'down 25% since late september'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'british posties use bicycles instead of huge gas guzzling trucks'
T3/r7/2012-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in inner-cities/towns do they do that'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and yet another chann goes begging ... Cooking Chann !'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'test'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marijuana-dispenser stocks jump 3000% in one week'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hostess Brands to lay off 18,000'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, there was a large hostess convo on immtalk already'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sucesion wouldn't be self immolation'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- h4'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, 30 hours a week is the new fulltime now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, silly chumps'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive layoffs, hour cutbacks and price rises'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and Denny's is increasing their prices!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '4 more years of recovery! woohoo'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the thing is, I can't even get mad anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the consensus is that everyone in the restaurant will embrace the idea, based on the assumption that the consumer doesn't care about small increases.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so the fluoride is working..'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, restaurant business.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when 25% of the restaurant workers have been laid off and the prices have gone up 5%?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're waiting to see the reaction to the Denny's activity.  If the consumers seem to not care, you'll have to hire more wagons to ferry the band around.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I don't think people are going to get worked up about that particular problem, but as people lose jobs and other industries raise their prices I think it'll become more of an issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretty soon we're all gonna be working in healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best get that secession petition signed :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and get your state to nullify obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if this will change the amount of people who have 2 part time jobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I wonder how that will affect unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably find they'll modify it so that you have to cough up regardless of your hours worked'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Arm yourself before U.N. Small Arms'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't escape health tax here through working part time, or self employed'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but as companies cut their hours, people will have to go and make it up somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have a go at what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There have to be jobs to go "make it up"'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I doubt that they'll change people's pay simply because they had to cut hours'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're talking 50% unemployment and 90% stock market crash'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay was already pressured down, same in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had a real-terms pay cut last year, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much fun'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what I'm getting at is that you have people that are barely making it by working full time, now you're cutting their hours by 5-10, and I doubt they'll be compensated in pay, so they'll have to go get it else where, which means more job competition'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which means, more unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, Raz'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, wasn't sure if I was being clear :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, you realise they knew this would happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i work less than 10h every week and i gave myself a raise last year :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, and i have healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know you're a pimp, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm a job creator. created a job for myself where i don't have to do much'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds almost civil servanty'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. it does'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good job you're not in the USA, because if you were you didn't make that job'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah. i would. the services i offer are needed everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fung shui consultant?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'prostituition?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did that one already'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i consult, yes. but i do useful things'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, good for you, but most people who work 10hrs a week don't earn enough to live on'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so your case is representative of the general low paid masses now, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. just saying that if you're ambitious and creative unemployment shouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Dag.. spoken by someone who is both ambition and creative and employed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like something a rip-off merchant would say :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do rip people off sometimes tbh. but i always warn them and they usually insist'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I should go buy all the twinkies and ho-ho's at the store across the street'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir claps at Razkin's performance.
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'see? there's the ambition and creativity :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Dag's living on just 10 hours a week, he's one of those evil rich people Obama hates.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, you know people are doing that'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I bet all the stores are cleared of Hostess products by tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because a Ding-Dong is a terrible thing to waste?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't see why, someone else will buy the rights to them'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but people will still do it'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and it's not like there aren't already generic versions of them already'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh well, each to their own'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can sell vintage/original twinkies even if someone else uses the brand in the future'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik they're fresh forever and hipsters love that sort of shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hands up who is surprised at all the burying of bad news they did until after the election?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No! did they ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i wouldn't be surprised'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not surprised at all.  But then again, I listen to Fox and they've been reporting all this for years now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the fiscal "cliff" '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs figures, petraeus and libya'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Obama should have put together a Twinkie bail-out, I want my free twinkies!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i've heard of libya before'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Watch Panetta testify that the U.S. had to get UN approval, and not that of Congress'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah it's over there somewhere '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  waves her arm over there
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posted that the other night, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fox news is my guilty pleasure :'('
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't believe in NWO/illuminati, even though the edifice has collapsed'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Libya is where Dubya goes to get those readination things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tell us about the lizard people, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Ermagahd, Berks!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel sighs - it all becomes clear now 
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You have worldwide taxes, worldwide disarmament, and CFR pushing the UN'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about globalists wrecking your country and making you all essentially slaves'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, but they did that already'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'slaves to the lizard people!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'disprove it, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or maybe they're crab people?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, the time for worrying is already over.  Time to just enjoy the ride.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, man, i'm with you'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jews did titanic. iceBERG and all that stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave the lizards and the crabs and just go with "bad people"'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and obama faked the moon landing'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stock up canned food n shotgun shells time '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what do you know about the Titanic?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that those opposed to the bankers were all on it? and the bankers "missed" it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know that the dude who sank the thing had a jewish name. COINCIDENCE?! you decide'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and it follows a novel of a ship crashing into an iceberg?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're building another one, also claiming it's unsinkable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The enemies of the banksters at the time were invited to the Titanic.  It sank.  End of opposition.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but they probably understand material science a litte better these days'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they do.  But you just don't fuck with superstition like that.  Bad things always end up happening.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'J.P. Morgan contracted the Titanic.  It has the three richest men opposed to the Federal Reserve on it.  Morgan cancelled his ticket.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty lucky for him'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i heard that that iceberg guy wasn't even arrested'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard that guy just melted into the surroundings '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'never seen again '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Consider him the Petraeus of the Titanic'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'chameleon people!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i heard those responsible for rigging the inter-bank loan rate, those responsible for stealing millions of dollars out of segregated pension funds, and those responsible for laundering billions of dollars of drugs money within banks didn't get jail time'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i fail to pay my council tax, i go to jail'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. they were put in charge to clean up the mess'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you know who runs jail'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at Barclays/LIBOR'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't the captain commit suicide?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who's hating rich people now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chameleon iceburgs <---notice the "Burg ...Jewish !!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel nods 
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not the rich'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '....'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the people in charge'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't see any poor people rigging LIBOR rates'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see all poor people stealing stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, think about it - titanic had 4 chimneys and hit 1 iceberg. 4+1=5. that's the number of fingers on the shadowy hand that controls it all. coincidence? you decide'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or breeding at horrific rates'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the problem is the poor.  They just bend over and take it up the ass like they want it, instead of wrapping rubber bands around the police chief's nutsack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '4+1 signifys the 4 fingers and 1 thumb !'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in a position to steal and get away with it? '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guaranteed to be rich'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir rapidly nods twice at Tzadkiel, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i'm on to something'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or just on something :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Educate yourself, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You sound like a Philistine'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Start here: http://www.truthistreason.net/did-jp-morgan-sink-the-titantic'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm getting some beers and chips in on the offchance of egypt going to war against israel'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm hoping they both lose'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has it got to that Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how's that quote go...we make your food, we drive your cars, we watch you while you sleep!'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, if i were a head of some ancient secret conspiracy i would a) quietly kill nuts, dosset and other "enlightened" people so they wouldn't reveal my evil plans and my moon base or b) have nuts, dosset, chemosh and others as my agents who would generate noise and discredit valid conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes because a tipping point to international global warfare is so amusing'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already do that, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's no secret'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It has been and will be the banking dynasties'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments do it too'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The best place to hide is out in the open'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, so it's option B then?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'canned food n shotgun shells ... thats plan B'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tend to publicise obviously fake theories'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The best place to hide is out in the open, because other sheep will do your discrediting for you'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's called the Asch Effect; people on the macro level are group-thinkers'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'troll sheep'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Most people are stupid; so no surprise that the stupid sheep keep the smart ones in line by trying to shame then in said manner that you do'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when there is proper investigation into true stuff, people get shut down or shot - that's why Jesse Ventura's show on the TSA got pulled'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is also why David Kelly was murdered'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one among dozens of murders'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't forget Tupac and Biggie'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know nothing about either of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Milton William Cooper'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ted Gunderson'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jessie Ventura is why his show got pulled.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Aaron Russo'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was the soldier who got shot because he exposed drug running?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it was pulled because it exposed the TSA airport stuff as pure theatre'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the recent one, or the one they built the movie Basic around?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He exposed HAARP, TSA, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Plus, he is Navy SEAL Vietnam and knew Tonkin was a false flag'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and shows the ex-DHS chief benefitting financially from sticking in those dodgy scanners'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and also the governor of MN'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you mean by false flag?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Think Operation Northwoods'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or more recently, F&F'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or more historically, Operation Himmler'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self inflicted wound intended to give justification for an action'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I dress up like "them" -> Oh noes, "them's" attacking'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's deliberate attrition to unify people for support'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a standard name for that tactic ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'False-flag'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been teaching about Tonkin being a setup move to get us into Vietnam for at least 30 years now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and it was recently declassified too'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about it in history, and you'll see it repeatedly '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'back to the Romans'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Up to 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TY I have done it before but didn't know the name of it '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what Obomney is going to do about all these petitions he's going to need to address'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'those petitions are pretty worthless'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, but it's a good advert i guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps for effecting change, but for making issues known on the grander scale'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real power is in getting your states to do stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'repeat of the civil war except much worse'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it'll never get that far.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea, people are too dumb now'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Too many distractions'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most states are already broke with no good spending policy in place.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too comfortable'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, really?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'too dumb to have a civil war?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas holds a balanced budget, i believe'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'homeostasis has become the norm '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Too dumb do be aware of their servitude'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'California is screwed'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas needed billions of fed money to "balance" their budget'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas would have no problems being independant, it's energy rich'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as Scotland'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.  -Aldous Huxley'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enter prozac'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That time is now'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the prison without bars'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the matrix? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and a TV set '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Texas is smack dab in the middle of the most powerful military AND economy.  Texas would have serious problems with being independant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Huxley was from the Tavistock Group - go read about what they do'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh yea, Brave New World author, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'isolinationism imo does not work well'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't his brother involved in UK intelligence services somewhere along the line?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'nothing like the ad hominem'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isolinationism?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'doors of perception too , lol best description of a chair ... ever !'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I was speaking to an independent Texas'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it mean?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I took it that someone was suggesting Texas leaving the united states , I may have been wrong '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean they'd be isolated'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'texas could not leave the us'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no state could leave the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not in the sense N Korea is but still'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"could not"? they are legally entitled to'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any state can, in theory, though with Texas there are nooops to jump through'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no hoops'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the south will rise again ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I find it extremely unlikly that any state would leave the union'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to rise, they just need to stand on their feet while the rest of the western world collapses under the weight of authoritarian globalism'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely, but not impossible'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'agreed '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same arguments used by people who don't want UK to leave the EU'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would be nice to have a western country that actually was doing it right - or just different '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's a wholly different argument'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'on balance, in my view, the benefits of the EU are more than the costs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he means in practical terms, not legal ones.  Texas doesn't have the funds, and even if it did there's simply nowhere near enough of anything actually in Texas to support a defense against the US (via military or economy).'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best of luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK that's no longer true, kraken'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the euro however, the UK dodged a bullet on that one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you suggesting US would attack?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - i don't think so, but it's not an obvious answer either way'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, blockades, restriction of airspace, sanctions, tariffs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Abraham Lincoln didn't say cyonara CSA, neither would any current president'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, texas is not landlocked by the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'modeb the dollar is the new sword'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the majority would never vote to leave anyway.  Remember, if you ask something on the internet, you can find a large number of people to agree with it'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and that's for *anything*'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK leaving EU? polls put the majority for leaving'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Texans started doing the Pancho Villa type of guerrilla terrorism, then yeah they'd probably go military action.  Likely starting small-scale and moving upwards as necessary.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has been >50% for some time now'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps.. I don't agree with that myself.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason there's not been a referendum - they'd lose'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if there is enough popular opinion to win a referendum, there should be enough to force one'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'nah. the only party that'd force one is a fringe party.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every major party promised one and renegged'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just pointing out the contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the last major poll was conducted by Yougov in September 2010, Leave the EU won 47-33'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why haven't they left yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because our government is run by the rich elite who do what is in their interests, not ours'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'UK has elected leaders'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'elect different leaders'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you silly twisted boy....'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a psychology issue.  Most people form and hold opinions in one direction, but when actually faced with a real situation they typically abandon those opinions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like entitlement reform'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40% of the UK people will vote themselves a payrise, so will always vote Labour'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe 30% will always vote themselves a tax cut and vote Conservative'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the remaining 30% have no say'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, bullying.  Most folk will say that bullying is bad and that if they saw someone getting bullied they'd step in.  However, those same people will instead try to escape the situation (ie, let the bullying continue) if they encountered someone getting bullied.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America has a similar problem - turkeys wont' vote for christmas'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you're being completely wrong tigernuts... as noraml'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'erm, normal'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is wrong, Kraken, you're not channeling Yuna are you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends Hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If someone opposed, they would likely oppose as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't need to. i've told you you're wrong and don't understand issues often enough to know you're wrong again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Most people are followers/group-thinkers'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the clue is.. you're typing stuff in the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what am i wrong about?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'ascribing monolithic blocks to anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'sure, thre's a lot of tribalism going on, but it's not anywhere near as simplistic as "voting a pay rise" or "voting for tax cuts"'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"who shall lead? One in 20"'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, i disagree, it is'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maslow ? high functioning high dominance '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem is that TV/celebrities/MSM have become proxies for our leaders of today'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you'll have to explain in more detail.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which people are voting "for a pay rise"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, actually, it doesn't depend.  That's what everyone does.  The thinking is that there's someone else who will step in, so that you don't have to.  The more witnesses there are, the more quickly you will abandon your opinions and beliefs.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and which are voting for lowering their taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's up to the make of the man'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you're sounding like mitt romney's makers vs takers, which is utter crap, as everyone outside his immediate circle are aware.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the working classes, the welfare classes, and the liberals that have been hoodwinked vote for a pay rise (labour)'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich, the aspiration middle classes will tend to vote for conservative'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you seriously think there's a *large* number of people who *want* to be on welfare?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a generalisation, sure, but that doesn't make it less relevent'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm not denying there's some.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what you mean by large number'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'd suggest it'd be less than 1% of the voters in the country who are happy they're on welfare.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm happy to be proven wrong if there are.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure that could be proven either way'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'obviously there are more actually on welfare, but most don't see it as a lifestyle'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not in Oz - 3-4 generation welfare dependant is the normol in many communities '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but either way, tribalism exists and is live and kicking'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means that we will always get the same crap each time'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'anyone have any ideas how much the employees from Hostess were making??'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, remember. almost no demographic group will split more than 70-30. In the UK '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well so far you've proven nothing'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'neither have you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's 100 years of election history to back the concept of tribalism up'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8654338.stm'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably no more than $10/hour, if that.  Probably closer to minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'm not denying tribalism exists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'because, it'd be dumb to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what I am denying is monolithic block of voters'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thanks hanslanda, I wish the media would actually report that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the context of a two-party system, there is no difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the uk has 3 major parties.. admittedly, it's more like 2.5, but heh.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's 2'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we now see you're a liberal democrat'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '2? there's a coalition government now. the 3rd party gets 20%ish of the vote.. admittedly only about 10% of the seats, but heh.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '30? they're polling at 9 right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they got 23% of the votes in the last general election. 8.77% of the seats though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'this far from a general election, the polling is mostly irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds suspiciously like a talking point'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but yeah. they've gone down since the election, quite a lot. disappointment with how they've acted in government mostly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they stunk to begin with'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'as i said. they got 23% of the vote in the general election. that's a significant minority.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only decent policy they ever had was a local income tax to replace property tax, and they ditched that'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you may think they stink. that's your opinion, and we know which side of the left/right divide you stand on.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've never heard of the Nolan chart, then'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you did, you'd realise i sit below'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you've spouted incorrect right-wing talking points most of the time i've seen you on this channel, and then failed to logically defend them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which quarter are you claiming to be in?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's odd, because you've already been shot down once tonight'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i have?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'enlighten me?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tape measure time again :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tribalism'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to pay that '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if you read what I actually said, I fully agree it exists. my first comment on the subject said that. I just don't think it's as high numbers as you're claiming'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sit in the individualism quarter'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue over exact numbers, at least 30% will always vote labour, 30% will always vote tory'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labour's tending towards 40 nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the remaining 30-40% of people decide the election, and parties realise this, which is why all the effort goes into those SWING places, and floating voters'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty elementary'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'voter turnout matters alot in the US too imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i don't think it's a guaranteed amount like that. but, it's higher than i'd like, given how much the parties have actually changed their positions without loss of support.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turnouts collapsed here because of lack of trust, lack of belief it'll make any difference'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, *obviously* pols will try and convert the swing voters. The question is, how many of them there are'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the constituencys aren't as gerrymandered as in the US though, so there's a lot more swing districts.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'swing voter just means gullible'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep turnout was mainly those on the Ohbummer side as they saw "the change" ideal go under imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'twyst - assuming the parties never changed 1) policies, 2) competence, 3) likability of leaders, then they would be.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or the landscape changes '
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Remember sumtin.. Here. The Greatest minds run our lands & no matter what we think of them. They're in control! If we do enough of what's good for them or, or are born in the right spot & don't screw up. We can associate with them for a time. But local distributions & foreign ones with matters beyond may be too much for some people and we need crazy/smart and or powerfully set individuals to take the spot even if some of us here are good for the job and are ignored.. Thank you I'm done. I just wanted to add that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well here's the bottom line for UK election: We're screwed, and come 2015, we'll still be screwed, just by a different mob'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greatest minds, lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - yeah, i actually agree to an extent.'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone mention Hitler again ? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if ever you wanted to see democracy in action, police chief elections - what a washout. nobody wanted politicised police chiefs, and the turnout was 15%'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'who would be the smartest supervillain of all time?'
T3/r7/2012-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'upgraded bender maybe'
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you don't drink the first 500 ml or the last ltr - hence top n tail ur distilate '
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh, more people want a Judge Dredd force patrolling the US than want to secede...'
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'whitecloaks'
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's depressing. I realy love it when I get 6 trains (possibly the maximum? I don't think I've ever gotten more than 6 (base)), but sometimes I only get 2. Which sucks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think "Everybody hates Britney" is the reason. It's possible she asks for astronomical licensing fees, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... the U.S. has a goat hunting season?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'elephant hunting season is over?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually hunting season in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'taliban hunting season is year around?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when they're not shooting animals, they're exterminating freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, the pews'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit - bloody donkey this time '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz Tiggy mischann'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a quiet news day - same ole same ole, newspapers closing down, brown people bombing each other, continued spiral into depression at home'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Depressing eh? Well, war has broken out in the middle east again.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again? never stopped'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when the west interferes in stuff that they have no business being involved in'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'I assume you mean, setting up a place for the Jewish people to live, in 1945.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubio on November: 'Or earlier? I mean, the West has been involved in the Middle East since Alexander the Great.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'predominantly interference in the early 20th century'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely news headline: "Clinton pledges $45m to aid Al-Quaeda in Syria"'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'act local Tiggy .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'local - ie ur sphere of influence '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no sphere of influence'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they're handing full control of regulation of the Internet over to the UN next month'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there will always be an undercurrent - kidy pron n those with the tools imo - the masses are just one more stpe removed ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still not a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be getting rid of the UN, not empowering it'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the EU is here to stay - how else can we dictate terms to tinpot EU countries that just become pitri dishes to organized crime - like pakistan '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pakistan is in the EU?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like .. Romania .. you get the angle ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '....'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was listening to one person making a fairly compelling argument (I think it was based on comments made by Milton Friedman) about how the history of humans is one example of the masses handing over their rights to small, governing bodies'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a trend that needs reversing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but a very difficult trend to reverse'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even harder if USA capitulates'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'democracy based governments are the extreme rarity in human history'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy I say to you again - in your sphere of influence - go all out '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no spheres of influence'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the point being, when you look at it through that lens, it's not surprising that most of the world wants to pass its power over to one governing body'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are more insane than I am ? - I can cortol myself for the most part '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy you can control an area around you ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what exactly is the 'area around you?''
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'threat matrix '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'what is control?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ability for control '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most people would rather complain about the way things are than do anything about it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easier said than done to change things, sometimes all you can do is get the word out'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Homeostasis .. is ikky'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no Tiggy ! at least defend urself '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the problem with getting the word out on the internet is that the internet is full of crackpots, and any word you do get out will be too diffuse to do anything.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rather than complain, it would be better to come up with solutions and ideas... that might actually make a difference.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then everyone dies'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you make it sound like there is no plan'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but then you have to convince people to take part in those solutions and ideas, which requires changing their minds, which requires debate, which is seen as complaining'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'focused social media is the best the net can do and in each example a functional cell is required to take if further imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why inevitable people are going to burn and suffer, and the best of luck to them'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'corbon monoxide or Morphine are the best paths for that line of thought imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can lead a trendy to the truth, you cannot make it read it'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet people have been thinking that we are screwed and nothing can change it for 150k years or so.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy can you lead you ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you can make a horse drink with an IV'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, you can all burn :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'or a nose tube'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'umm yeah only a certain type of ppl have been thinking that Ran - social darwinism will eventually take care of that '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'advocating death - first marker I should't be here '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I am getting good at being me around you '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at least we can be us longer before I am not '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knock knock, Neo'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'neo ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'neo what ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is nothing new under the sun - neo redundant ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pop  culture ref ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, it's a Bible reference. Also a common Swedish saying (Inget nytt under solen, literally "Nothing new under the sun").'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah that is mot - but neo ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'moot*'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh Matrix - Neo '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( he's the one... )
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There can only One... the One.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just realized that Neo is an angram for "One" :P.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trying to track the Tiggy ref .. T man make it plain fer us idiots ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cute Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there can be only one ! bowie !'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or queen ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's cute is my Chinese pirated DVD with Chinese-style English subs of The Matrix. Every time the name "Neo" is spoken, the subtitles read "The One". And every time "The Oracle" is said, the words "The Prophet" is shown. Morpheus is knowing as something really weird and Trinity is transcribed as something along the lines of "Xia Chia Ti" or something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'highlander'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Have you seen the chinese pirated revenge of the sith?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or course I do not want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we digress ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Clinton's evidence to the Grand Jury" -> "Conveniently adjusting the record." '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the queen kind of magic soundtrack ! there can be only one ! LOL Yes ! lol TY Ran !'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I though we were on spheres if influence ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have been'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't give much thought to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little point'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an still - how say you - what energy are you putting into your sphere of influence that has made change ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'will you still be texting during the apoclypes ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you one of those bloody animal rights charity beggars that stands on street corners crazing people to sign up to donate in a previous life?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I'm one of those anoying ppl that breaks local firearms laws to defend themselves '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're one of the 'evil terrorists' that have to be exiled then'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'exile me to my home - Oz - yeah I'm there '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy are youy a home defence person ? or you still trust the powers to be to enforce the law ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ke sera sera ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok the action that will save (at least Tiggy) manifesto .. Go !'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the strat ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced there is one'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs to break before it can be rebuilt'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ummm ok inaction ... mate I respect the hell outta ya but .. real world ... no plan ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can try to have contingencies in place for specific scenarios'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yours are ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's about it, though, you can't fix this - too bigger powers in charge, too many stupid people happy to be slaves'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'comes back to a shere of influence ? perhaps - what can you control "? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can control anything that comes withing arms length of me or anything that enters my home atm - or have a bloody good chance of doing that - certainly have better odds than most '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not control'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'join the NRA yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no NRA'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm Oz - us niether '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TYiggy my reason is not so abstract that it is lost on you ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ie you ken me ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just don't agree with it, you think your illegal gun will help? it won't, you shoot someone? a swat team will take you out - what have you achieved? nothing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I defended myself '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can't claim self defence if I'm dead '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you ok mate ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personal bias ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns clearly aren't a solution'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a third person would perhaps help ? I can'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a third person would perhaps help ? I cant fault my argument - usually I can but this is real basic in my eyes - perhaps open em ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what you're suggestion'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you can do is vote with your $, support just causes, and insulate yourself as far as possible from the more cancerous manifestations of globalism and tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and keep an open mind'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm asking perhaps a 3rd person give fresh insight here - Yes I break the law but everyone does - I do so in this instance to protect myself - and I do realize that reliance on such is not perfect hence my training in Krav '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you think you're protecting yourself from?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deprivation of liberty - self defence '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will not manifest itself as a direct threat to your person'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.....'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll manifest itself by the lack of employment, by food you cannot afford, by things you cannot say or do'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are not things you can solve with a firearm'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'be thankful we have lived different lives mate - serious on that '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll never want for anything like that '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well gun control here is tighter than nun's vadge'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bet i can say on personal protection is that in the event of a sizeable collapse, i know the right people to go see'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(but anyway, i'd go with a crossbow)'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Personal protection  - personal being the operative word - be responsable for your self  imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think even more important than protecting yourself, you need to hold true to your principles'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'crossbow ... I'm gonna slap U soon !'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I uphold my right to personal liberty above all else - and you'd better have 4 aces  or a huge lever in some cases '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n anyway - batshit crazy - access to whatever - gets as angry as hell n drinks like she is 120kg n still aint spree killed ,,, I'm not so bad .. imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps act local a lil more ?  - we don't live in the corperate world and none of the sheep do either'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just waiting on Hamas to drop a chemical weapon on Tel Aviv right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Aw Tiggy I'd date you just so we could run through ur home defences ! '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're back to their old game of hiding their artillery in civilian areas'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which I thought was a war crime, but ...'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't really have any non-civilian areas'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hospitals make great TV'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but you can not hide it in schools'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, desperate peoples do desperate things, there's bad on both sides'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i'm still amazed that that area of the world hasn't completely razed itself to the ground'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The Us is so stretched - indeed the UN in generally  - CHina knows the sword is the dollar ,, let em play it out  . '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'china feeds on India is this century while the greatsest minds of the western worl play games and fight their own country because it is no thiers anymore imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if Isreal goes into Gaza again, do you think they'll pull out , or stay in this time?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can take over India by the use of money, not arms'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they go into Gaza again, I expect all hell to break loose'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, that might be just as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if I remember correctly , last time they actually pulled out, and actually forced all of the jews to leave and move into israel'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and basically said, have Gaza'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just curious if they go in, if this time they simply stay and occupy it'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they decided to build settlements on the west bank in violation of the various treatise they signed up top'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, especially with Egypt, but still'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, from what i've seen on t.v., it looks like they're basically setting up to move in'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it -would- do is have a polarising effect on the surrounding countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I've also heard that they're discussing a cease fire, but I'm not sure how much faith I put in that'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'can you get more polarized?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easily, you have countries that are neutral because America props up dictators there, such as Jordan, Bahrain etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have sympathetic countries being leaned on by the west, such as Syria, Lebanon, and Iran'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Al Gore disappear up his own arse yet?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, arizona gun store puts up sign saying "If you voted for Obama, your custom is not welcome - you clearly aren't responsible enough to own a gun"'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'right on!'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that they're likely to be going there in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back later, hopefully then Kraken and Yuna can tell me how wrong I am about everything'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dear oh dear, uk xfactor voting must be as fraudulent as the US elections...'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man detained by TSA for having a novelty watch'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'why does anyone still wear a watch?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to tell the time, i'm guessing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'fashion, convenience'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't let them put him in the cell with the kid with a toy gun.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lawyers so they can charge by the second'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea if you need a timer for work, makes sense'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I kinda like this TSA story: http://tinyurl.com/d95ufcd'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dive watches too'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess how many terrorists the TSA have stopped!!!'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, we all know the answer with surety'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that guy with the shoe-bomb?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all of the ones foolishly trying to get to the mainland.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shoe bomb?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the retard that the fbi used as a patsy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that the underwear bomber was a patsy put on the plane by security forces too, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think some terrorists just have a sense of humor and like practical jokes'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the shoe bomber probably made a bet with his mates that he'll get all yanks removing their shoes in airports'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the underwear bomber wanted to beat that'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the underwear bomber knew nothing of what he was doing'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been a true terrorist attack on UK soil since the days of the IRA'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's besides the point'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't think of any in America, either'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all he had to do was to have a bomb in his pants'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'when was the bus bomb in London?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, ElFeneri?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet the next guy will put a small bomb in a cat or a dog. then even the pets will get cavity searches by the tsa'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there was a bumb on a bus and some other place as well 5-10 years ago or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '3 different bombs I believe'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2005, ElFeneri, wasn't a terrorist attack, or rather, wasn't the terrorist attack that the official story led everyone to believe'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if that's not terrorism I don't know what is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you don't know what is'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Seems so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was a fluffy bunny bomb'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The leader of that cell was an MI6 asset, he was a double agent'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so at the very nicest, the attack happened as a result of epic incompetence on behalf of the intelligence services'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, much of the surrounding evidence suggests that the attack was allowed to go ahead, and both MI6 and Mossad have been implicated as being involved'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do -i- believe? probably a bit of both'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll might not ever know until it's declassified, and we may never know'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I guess alot of ppl would like to think that intelligence knew about it and let it happen for some political reason. Otherwise you would have to admit that your security ppl were outwitted by terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's always a danger dealing with double-agents and converts'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally though, terror is a tool used by governments and intelligence services to bring in a surveillance state, and justify endless slaughter of brown people'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false flag or not, that's what it boils down to'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left right, bush obama, makes no odds'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Francois Hollande should be banned. Discuss'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only cost-control feature of Obamacare is the death panel, and if neither side likes the death panel is seems reasonable to assume it'll be repealed.  Which means healthcare will be free to go as high as it wants to.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US men rank 83rd worldwide for highest average total cholesterol readings, US women rank 81st (both have an average of 197mg/dL, just shy of the borderline high range of 200-239).  Columbia tops the mens' list, with an average of 244, while Israel/Libya/Norway/Uruguay top the womens' chart with 232.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wonder how the heart attack rates correlate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would tie in with smoking rates and other - sedintary lifestyle atc '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to the article I got that from, Colombian men are at double the risk of a heart attack than US men.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'medical assistance and quality there of '
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From what I have seen, all we have got is a weak correlaction between total cholesterol and heart disease, not much to write home about'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Unless, perhaps, you sell statins.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to put statins in the water'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Put some more fluoride there first, and people won't complain too much? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in unrelated news, americans appear to be spending more calories than in the good old days when they were supposedly more active'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'either that or the calories in calories out thing doesn't quite work'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where'd you see that?'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I just looked at estimates of total calorie intake compared to weight gain, from cdc, I think it was'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'strict cico doesn't appear to work except in funny theoretical models though'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, rather, it works, but you have to track a larger number of variables than is usually done :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's true, since what you eat and how you eat can affect metabolism.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're eating the same amount of calories as the next guy, but your intake keeps you revved up in high gear, you're going to burn through your intake supply much faster and thus use more from fat storage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the science supports cico, outside of people with metabolic issues'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some foods are good for metabolism, some are bad.  Similarly, if you scarf your food down fast you can actually overstuff your stomach before it has a chance to tell the brain you're not hungry.  More and more of the chemical messages get dumped to the brain, making you feel sluggish while the body goes into metabolic-priority mode to deal with the backlog.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obviously, if you gain weight you somehow spent less calories than you took in and vice versa, but that has limited value when trying invidiual interventions, or explaining changes in large populations'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you stuff yourself with grains/sugar, your body is going end up trying to store more fat, pretty much whatever you do.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also some research that suggests feeling either full or hungry is metabolically poor, since your body has to spend more time processing or go into conservation mode.'
T3/r7/2012-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although there is an enormous amount of money in people doing that :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'October 2012, the unemployment rate in north dakota dropped to 3.1 %, and it is .07 % in williston.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '6700 wells are producing oil on the Bakken right now, and it is expected to increase to 50,000 by 2035.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So far EVERY well has produced oil on the bakken.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, is this just a news cast, or did you have something to debate? :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'news cast, I am bored. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman playfully tackles Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just talked to a waitress who makes $600 a night at a local bar. :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems fair, she has boobs after all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially considering there are about 50 men for every grown woman around here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How did that happen? All the women moved to the big city, and all the men hang around to farm and fuck sheep?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two assholes from oregon murdered a school teacher lady awhile ago....'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, oil and gas boomtown...the population tripled in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the population of western north dakota, eastern montana will probably double or triple again in the next decade.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, young men move there to make a shitload of cash by working 16 hour days at an oil well?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'is that from that cracking thing ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually 12-14 hours a day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'burning tap water ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda hard to burn tap water when your drilling a well 10,000 feet down....and the water table is at 50 feet.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i have seen tap water burn...'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and it was burning long before the fracking began also.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'natural gas disolved in the water table'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because some water supplies have natural methane in it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'heh i'd like to see a neutral study of that (lmao never happen)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just a bunch of idiots trying to blame their moronic decision to buy land with bad water on oil and gas companies.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you sound like an oil compant shill'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you sound like an oil company shill'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh well, that is where the money is right now....no money in whining about things.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'money dictaes how things are done more than whiny left-wingers'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i say that as a whiney left-winger'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am extremely liberal, and pro energy :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe in all forms of energy as long as it makes financial sense.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'as an american i understand your liberals to be equal to our conservatives (aussie)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How about zero-point energy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it makes financial sense to drill for oil in the bakken, since right now it costs about $30 a barrel to produce.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, american leftist liberal is our right-wing conservative'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years it will cost about $20 a barrel to produce.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'LMAO Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Carnot cycle is limited - oil doesn't make sense as an energy source'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'LMAO Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state. More at Wikipedia Perpetual motion Fringe physics Quantum field theory'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Abandonhope, we discovered it 100 years ago - the oil tycoons dismantled it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why we're slaves to oil to this day'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is it that the retarded "free energy" conspiracy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Called history, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, we use oil because it makes more sense to use oil and gas than anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not my problem you're ignorant'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'haven't heard Tesla mentioned yet...'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rizgoth, take thermodynamics, then learn'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the Carnot cycle is limited'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and tesla invented free energy transmitted in the air, also death rays'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, if respecting thermodynamics and laws of physics is ignorant...'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tesla was a brilliant scientist, but don't forget that he was also batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Scientists since Tesla have reproduced it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so was Fourier'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'around the world'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'newton was a nutbag, but no-ones disproved 2nd law yet'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not just talking about Wardenclyffe'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our current world is dependant on an oil and gas based economy.....that is not going to change for a long time.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're dependent on it because the tycoons eliminated the competition'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'newton dicsovered gravity trying to change lead to gold'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the time when he was talking about this mystical stuff he also a had a laser-eyed pigeon as a girlfriend'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes newton was nuts, thats know... he also invented calculus and thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, our current oil and gas economy saved us from a new ice age, and many researchers are beginning to realize.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tesla, not newton. maybe newton was nuts as well. dunno'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'leibniz also invented calculus '
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes both'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just know that we discovered an unlimited source of free energy 100 years ago, and they dismantled it to line their pockets'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'his notation was better then newton's'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is bs, all energy has a cost, even if it cost nothing to produce.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing is free.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'dosset got a reliable source ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the INTERNET!'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not a combustion cycle'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We form energy in the Carnot cycle by basically burning hydrocarbons in exothermic reactions'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the efficiency is limited by that'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'wait while i write a wikipedia page about ancient aliens and free power'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you don't even know how burning gas/oil works, you won't understand'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'sorry you're over your head'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'dosset: proof... reputable sources'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can bitch and moan about free energy and mythical power sources all you want, but a lot of people will be laughing all the way to the bank while you do, drilling for oil and gas for the next 50 years or more.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers with DosseT about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You think the edifice will last 50 years?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're delusional'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nice to hear that we have a way to break the laws of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, do you have a perpetual motion machine somewhere?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What laws are being broken?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'explain'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the second'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are we doing the whole reality is an illuminati plot thing again?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'rizgoth my 'alternative' views are sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't "create" energy, you can only convert it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see fusion power produce most of our energy needs, but that isnt going to happen for a very long time, not when we have such huge supplies of new oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in fact i poited out newton's 2nd law'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'huge is debateable'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope braces for winter.
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even with $3.30 a gallon gas, the sales of electric cars in the US is down almost 75% across the board from 2 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so wat about thorium ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'word on the street is we have 1000 years worth of thorium at current usage levels'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont think the bakken with 400 billion barrels of oil is not huge?  Or the eagle ford shale in southern Texas with 200 billion barrels, or the permian basin in west Texas with another 250 billion, plus a dozen more shale oil deposits spread all over the US is not huge ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'shale is expensive to extract'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/Thermodynamics2.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rizgoth, once all that is taken over the corporations, what next?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and put those barrels in perspective... how many barrels does the world use per year ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'a windfall, maybe, but myopic'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The bakken is producing oil at $30 a barrel right now, with 36 billion barrels of recoverable oil right now, and that number is growing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canada tar sands is down to $22 a barrel to produce, and it has about 200 billion barrels of recoverable oil.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is not a problem anymore for north america.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'one source says The US, on average, uses approximately 20 million barrels of oil a day, which basically is about a quarter of the worlds oil supply resulting in 25% of the worlds carbon emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is actually down to 18 million barrels a day now'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has been lowering its oil use by about 6% a year for the last 5 years lately.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so how long does that give us until oil runs out ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better efficiency.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US only imports about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the middle east, and that is dropping fast.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'abandonhope, my country (estonia) gets something like 70-80% of energy from shale'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have fucktons of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'still id like to know how long current known reserves will last'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'cause even fuctons run out eventually'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the US is blessed with shale oil and oil shale.....and conventional oil, and lots of heavy oil.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shale oil is the bakken...oil shale is most of colorado and western montana, etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well the heavy oil will be good for lubricants after petrolium has been replaced'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is over 2 trillion barrels of oil shale under colorado.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilt:Production_of_oil_shale.svg'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'shale is expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska has a huge 50 billion barrel heavy oil field just west of prudhoe bay, it currently produces about 20,000 barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'there will come a point when oil is so expensive only the military will use it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'not to far off...'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'maybe 20 years, maybe 50'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the power here is one of the cheapest in europe and we produce 90% of our internal consumption'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Venezuela has a 200 billion barrel orinoco field of heavy oil also.....one of the largest in the world, if not the largest.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and afaik we have the best tech in the world for using shale'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah thats known'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'but the thing is.... fucktons do run out... and not having a plan for when that happens is sad'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and we're going to build shale plants in the states'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US wont switch to thorium since we have nuclear weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Rizgoth's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'why is thorium and weapons linked ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not? that was the original reason during the cold war afaik, but what about now?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That was the reason given by my nuclear engineering professor, during college.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'seems spurious'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that was the reason when they first started building nuclear plants. can't get plutonium from them'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but i'm quite sure you have enough bombs for now'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'texas says no'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas says no about what ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you better hope texas leaves the us ;)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the south will rise again and all that :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'texas say no to too many bombs'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'cant have too many'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces about 1.6 million barrels of oil per day......in 5 years that will double.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'The US, on average, uses approximately 20 million barrels of oil a day'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years, north dakota will double to 1.2 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if california kicked out the morons, they could easily be producing 1 million barrels or more per day.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'heh hollywood makes too much cash to kick out'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska lost its chance of producing lots more oil after the bakken and shale oil in Texas exploded.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They took to damn long to get the natgas pipeline started, or opening new oil fields because of idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it didnt help that another 50 billion barrels of new oil has been found in the gulf of mexico in the last 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even with the BP oil rig explosion on that 8 billion barrel field in the gulf slowed down deep oil production for a couple years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peak oil is a myth....there are trillions of new barrels out there.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol bad troll... oil reserves are finite'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'therefore peak oil will come, the debate is only over when'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, it won't because there's more than enough oil to wreck the planet with.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You want to know why peak oil is a myth ?  it is because of algae....a carbon neutral source of new oil for the future.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'technology will advance us beyond the need to drill for oil eventually.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah well you could debate whether mankind will get thier act together or self-destruct'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will create what we need.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'hope'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oil will be the energy commodity of choice, because it is ubiquitous and acts as pretext to take over countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's not effective, and it's dirty, but gives a cover for imperialism'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'see the forest for the trees'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'thats short-medium term'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'artificial "fossil" fuels are only a question of how much energy you can produce by other means... developing those means should be a high priority'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yep... more newtons 2nd law'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fossil fuel is just chemically stored solar energy'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil will still be used long after our generation is dead.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no reason to stop using it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and our generation is all that matters right ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'very myopic perspective'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'as long as I get mine, right'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont be an idiot, the next generations will keep using it also.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no reason, except that it'll kill a lot of us eventually unless we figure something out.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so that justifies it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'some people can't see the forest for the trees (lol)'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This is real life, not stargate atlantis, we dont use zero point modules to produce negative vacuum energy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and what do you know of real life?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you're just a cog in the wheel of the oil companies'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea, I studied it in school too.  So what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so you go ahead and keep whining about it, we will keep using energy with a proven track record.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must've missed the memo that said solar, wind, nuclear were fancy schmancy sci-fi things'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You'll maintain the status quo because you're too cowardly to do otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i support causes i believe in, materially'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The space station does not burn fossil fuel... How can it possibly survive? We need oil to burn!'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '71% of parents regularly lie to their children to make their lives easier'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '41% of parents said they dislike their child'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'sick!'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's funny. I dislike 41% of all kids.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i dislike all of them, not my problem, yet im forced to deal with em anyway :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they lie to their children to make their own lives easier or their childrens lives easier?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got some fireworks coming up with the negotiation of the EU budget'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'lifes'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Dunno even a lie ment to protect someone can be pretty harmful'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'especially depending on the way it comes out :-p'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see herr uberfuhrer has been over in asia committing social faux pa's'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey declares Israel a terrorist state'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Geithner wants to lift the debt limit to infinity'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'The bankruptcy judge looks to be sitting Hostess and the Unions down for mediation...'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he wants to try and save 18k jobs, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what I can't figure out is, does that mean that he's not allowing the liquidation to go through?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think they can stop that'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think the judge can put a hold on it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, hard to make them re-open the doors, unless he's also gonna front them operating money'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, report on the tv. right now, maybe they'll say'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, either way, looks like both sides agreed to meet tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if they do come to an agreement, does that mean the union played their cards right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it'd depend on whether that agreement is better or worse than the one they walked out on'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, good point'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at this point, hostess could just say "sorry, we lost hundred million on your walkout, we can't even offer what we did before"'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see what the big deal - the business isn't viable anymore so they're liquidating'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, from what I can tell, Hostess seems like an all around cluster.  To me it looks like it's been horribly mismanaged and the unions have forced an extreme case of inefficiency on the company.  It's hard to be profitable in that situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with the unions, unless the unions want to buy it up'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'car manufacturer unions did the same thing to the UK in the 70s, basically ensured the destruction of the industry, all the jobs went to japan'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not a car nut, but it seems to me that the quality of the cars in the u.k. saw a major decline at that time'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, you could probalby argue the same for hostess'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd been shit for a while'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'two words...lucas electronics'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the extent of my knowledge of British cars comes from what I've seen on Top Gear'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions refused to allow car plants to mechanise'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it would erode jobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, and it looks like the bakers union was doing the same in this case, they forced inefficiency through their contracts, which is going to erode profits'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if they don't agree, the jobs might go to Mexico'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which would be an interesting dynamic, not to mention, It's Bimbo Bakeries that seems to be interested'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which means I could go to the store and get some Bimbo Ho-Hos'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Justin Bieber was crowned Aritst of the Year at hte American Music Awards last night. And the AMAs have officially become irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the music industry is driven by 13 year old girls, what did you expect'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the AMAs are decided by a public poll and through music sales. It all makes sense. Still bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I don't disagree, it's just people will act shocked about it'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know the AMA was voted on by the public and through music sales. I thought it had an actual academy or at least voting members.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And if an actual academy of eligible voters had voted Bieber as Artist of the Year, I would be shocked.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but even awards that have academies are sometimes fairly suspect when you look at who are voting members'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'course, I guess i'm just kind of a cranky, introvert,so..'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Form Aldehyde: 'man shaves legs... hot? or not?'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think it's hot, but then again, I'm not into guys'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Form Aldehyde: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, I don't think my wife would find me shaving my legs as hot, either'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I tried shaving a girl's legs - not hot'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, my wife scares me when she shaves her legs'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like, when I shave my face, I'm kind of slow and deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she goes at it like she's reaping wheat or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no one has responded for 5 minutes, that means I won the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'music industry has been used as a blunt propoganda tool for a couple of decades now, Bieber isn't a surprise, only need look at the takeover of MTV in the laste 80s and more recent guided crap like X-Factor, and music-industry 'manufactured talent' like Lady Gaga'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I actually think Lady Gaga has some talent'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'don't really like her music, but I do think she has some talent'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know, but I couldn't really disagree with the rest'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rarely anyone can'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'humility has always been your strong point'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'humility is lost when people are frothing like lunatics at you'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless I'm misinterpreting "stacking" and you mean "Input a command and then have a bunch of triggers to automatically stack a bajillion commands to do X-thing".'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan. For some reason.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, I have a key to stack 7 attackskills because I don't feel like typing in "gouge" and then pressing enter a bajillion times each battle. That's pretty much the only way I stack commands.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The TP Aura help file specifies that it's available as a rare Daily Blessing. The Trivia Sleeping Bag's help file does not.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I need to stop mischanning this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That's because it isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rock /paper /scissors / anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'y not ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm wearing a shirt that says "Rock is dead - long live paper and scissors"'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy whats the latest bee in the bonnet ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would agree that POP music is really F'd up'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the government and corporations need braindead teenagers, so it's just power for the cause'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have been exposed to 2 decades of radio and I still think the best music (with some exceptions ) is from at least 30 yrs ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back then it was still mostly a live performance scene'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say 30-50 yrs ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well you have that over me - I was not even thought of 3 decades ago '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? you still have access to the music of that age'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have seen the Wal tour thrid party - ever been to a decent rave ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my scene, i'm too decrepit to go to most live music these days'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'went to a big festival a couple years back because i went with a disabled friend, couldn't have gone on my own and not had access to the disabled area'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can only imagine a white supremacist concert or a rave is close to a Pink Flyod or Iron Maiden concert '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what festival?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sonisphere'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iron maiden were headlining, ironically'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah UK festival'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, european, was in the UK, but it travels europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Up the Irons !'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a bit too family friendly and trendy for me, tbh'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the family friendly festivals are the best imo. There's too much craziness at the drug fueled rage festivals'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'security searching people on entry to the arena for food, drink and other banned stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force people to buy the insanely expensive food and drink inside'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just dose up b4 u go in ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's what we did, but you get hungry and thirsty if you're there for 8 hours'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bring E's n water .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, won't touch anything like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you in love atm Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK when you are - 5 M ritual or  just ritual F... - plan it beforehand - coke and or E - best time !'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tantra ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of that stuff from India and the tibet is thanks to a certain hemp-like plant'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just designating the experience is enough to level it imo - practice not required '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur male - fritction n visual only ?  <-- notice the ? - there is so much more - esp when peaking on E/coke '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'life is a 5 sense Art '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tell u a secret though - having tasted the best fruit  makes fruit encountered in mundane life ... not worth it .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'longer term it is but just for the experience - nah - '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ever participated in a ritual Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'athiest ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spiritual, i guess you'd say'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'your spiritual practices include ? thought - meditation - research ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'trolling debate when he should be working :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't go as far as research, but i take an interest in religions'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'none of the above I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, i'm off sick today dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they got fed up with me coughing, hacking and dying at work yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dag I am a willing participient in this '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm only answering your questions, hardly trolling :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy familiar with Jung ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you've been mild today, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the psychiatrist and all round nutjob?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats the one '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in ur poking round in diff beliefs you find any patterns ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know much of his work, but i do know that psychiatry has these days become a bit of a quack science'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't you mean psychology?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you like Starwars ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'psychology != psychiatry'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are not the same, but are inevitably linked'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no but original q? - did you find patterns in diff religions ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on what you mean by patterns, religion development does seem to stem from the need or desire to impose authority and control of people, and looks like that starts with benevolence in mind'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'invariably becomes tyrannical'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or explain the unexplained'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in every religion there are 2 streams of .. not dogma but close .. but whay you describe is the massses dogma '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the path or learning for priests is different - commonly called mysticism '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'xtianity n gnosis for  exxample'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the origins of Islam bear absolutely no resemblance to modern Islam as practiced in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah reg trolls will have a field day with that statement but conveys a point to Yuo I think ''
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar with xianity'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we both know there  are at least 2 levels of society and the base level Loves rules and seeing them enforced .. agree ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well as an element of social engineering  - religion is that for those who still practice  '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government and media are the control these days, religion is being snuffed out because it's a competitor'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which explains US foreign policy, and also liberals' war on religion at home'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they follow the same forms that religion has done in the past  yeah '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'everry religon has a second path - close to the "free thinker" that dismisses the current regieme '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that path also has patterns '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'liberals' war on religion in the us? lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - drain - The End - unless you ask me a q? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dag phrase that as a drect question pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably more accurate to say it's a war against non-government approved organisations, dag'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of churches were conned into joining government officially recognised charity status for the money that went with it, not realising all the regulation and control that they would be subjected to as a result'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'looks like a retaliation against religious nuts who are at war against science and personal freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar thing happened in the UK, so guess what? Charities and charitable groups couldn't do the work they used to do, so they then had to have governments do it, which costs MONEY'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bunkem, dags'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know what that word means'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"nonsense"!'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no you don't get it  - formalized though/ideals are done so for the masses - there is another school of though - another pattern '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, can you give us some examples how religion is targeted by a war in the states?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've just given you one, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that constitutes a war?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's a concerted program, it could be described as such'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dare to elaborate?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the lower / mass form of ideals will war , yes '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what you're looking for'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the plight of some religious nuts is that their children have to learn science at school'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all science is good'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, war implies that there are two sides and there are aggressive measures used against at least one side'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well... yes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i'm asking for examples'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i've already given you at least one'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'your charity claim doesn't really sound like a "liberals' war against religion"'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not liberals per-se, it's governments in general'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, so what about states that want to teach creatonism and ban abortions and stem cell research?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ugh train wreck theatre .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creationism should be taught in RE classes wrt to xianity'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does noone else get what I am trying to say ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'teaching abstinence as sex ed and so on'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, tza. you seem to be high'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with teaching abstinence as part of sex ed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, talking about those guys who receive govt tax benefits but who'd rather complain about the restrictions than just refuse the tax benefits again?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Tigernuts did.
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's just plain fucking wrong'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a state wants to ban abortions, then fine. I don't like abortions and think they should be legal prior to 16 weeks, but should be discouraged'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the same guys who complain about people destroying fertilised eggs, but for which crippling children's minds in certain ways is not only okay, but desirable?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah .. I'm damn drunk - not doing the argument any favours bessdies observing problems in telling it '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religious people who actually understand the value of religion would not want to cripple childrens minds in any way, let alone think it desirable'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know just from the advancement of the social dynamic more work needs to be done on grounding the basics '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of the stuff extremist republicans say would be a political suicide here'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then there is no war on "religion" in that definition'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy .. almost right '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just partisan and silly, Sonshi, likewise for the extremist stuff any political bent comes out with'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'free hugs ? anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremist silly stuff is extremist silly stuff, regardless of which political puppet camp you sit in'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ban abortions - political suicide. get rid of free healthcare - political suicide. only abstinence in sex ed - political suicide'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have tribalism in politics which means nothing can ever be discussed without demonisation, which also means concensus or compromise can never happen, only conflict'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not about politics. it's about how people feel about these things here'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's the fact that most voters would never vote for you if you came out with anything like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether it's -about- politics is irrelevent, that's the lines upon which it divides'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually hooking up welfare n birth control is an interesting platform ... " we support you , how can you suppport a child" '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to pretend that truth and justice does not favour any one side - not even a little - puts you squarely on the other side...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm for a mild eugenics program. i would be happy to support the poor and stupid with my tax money, but only if they use birth control and don't breed'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sounding a bit like Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Starling lives !'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are those who don't pretend to know, at least...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and condoms should be tax-free. shit's expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can get em free here, doesn't stop people breeding'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your insistence on claiming false equivalency shows where you stand.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false equivalence?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pills are sold with a heavy discount if you're insured (almost everyone is)'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dole chque = pill I'd vote for ... if I voted '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"maybe the world is flat, maybe the world is roundish or such... shucks, I don't know, they're the same to me." bah.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said that, you were talking about abortion and creationism'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'creationism is bullshit. simple as that'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's no scientific argument there. period.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol so far from the origin of the deb ..... take the pill '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creationism has nothing to do with science, hence it should be part of religious education'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it shouldn't be part of any education. at least not state-funded'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religious education should be a part of ALL education'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and should cover all the major religions'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their origins'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it actually got demolished in the court. that's why it's called "intelligent design" nowdays'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'religious EDUCATION. not crazy religious misinformation'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'religious organisations ought to be stripped of their tax status... no reason to keep funding them. Separate their religious function and their genuine charitable functions if you have to... no reason to subsidise preaching.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fine provided you also strip out the regulation that charitable status inflicts on them'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why would they be subject to that regulation if they're no longer a charity?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you have to be a registered charity in order to be able to get involved in certain volunteer-type acitivies'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(on a non-individual basis)'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same is true, afaik in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much anything, it's to do with insurance and health/safety laws'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, like corporations can't get involved in those things?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're subject to the same laws'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so why not subject these private entities to the same laws as other private entities?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should they be privileged?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's expensive, both monetary and in terms of time'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting nobody should be able to help anyone because the governments' regulations?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so why should the state subsidise their avtivities if they aren't charities?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't have to'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what? i told you -why- many churches signed onto government charity status'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free them from the beurocracy and the probably wouldn't have bothered'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we live in a blame culture'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what exactly are those crippling regulations that stop them from helping people, btw?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're free to be subject to the same regulations as any non charities...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if they want to set up a charity, they're free to be subject to the same regulations as other charities'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've already told you, insurance, health and safety, and have already  told you that theis regulation costs money'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're getting a much better deal than that, currently'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think we should free the banks from bureaucracy and let them help people. *nod self'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're the one complaining about churches having charitable status'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so you think they're special because...?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'churches typically tend to be community resources'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically they provided spiritual, physical, and financial support to the needy in their congregation'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said earlier that their role has been supplanted by government over the last 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so? Shouldn't the govt help the people?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a question of ideology'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, govt of the people for the people by the people is just ideology, but...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a more useful question is: Who is best able to help the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's something that people have chosen for themselves...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would argue, personally, that central government is least best equipped for this job'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that communities and families are best equipped for this job'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because that's working out so well in the us, huh...'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with the ideology, but a whole host of other reasons'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the opposite position is also failing in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back - should sleep'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone wanna tuck me it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oops mic chann'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the rich should be allowed to take care of their own and screw the poor, and help only those who believe in their ideology, those who do not speak against them, and those who have good relationships with them. okay. Good for you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what I said'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cannot be implied from what I said, either'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the natural result of leaving things to small organisations unanswerable to the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among church groups, libraries, reading rooms, trade unions and other establishments grew out of impoverish industrial communities in the UK in the 1800s, had nothing to do with wealth, in fact, it had more to do with the lack of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'disagree, huh... haven't you noticed the wide array of causes that the rich donate to, tax-free?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had noticed it, and the media portays it as good, and yet it's just so they can pay less tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in particular, a new shiny cathedral isn't "charity", and there's no reason why it should be free from tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're demonising a whole sector of community-groups because the buildings they use are stylised and dedicated?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are always free to set up a separate organisation like the salvation army or somesuch, which does purely charity work, and abides by regulations ensuring that tax-exempt money doesn't go to line someone's pockets or goes to pay for some other thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and what part of it is demonising them if they get the same treatment as any other group that wants to build a shiny new building?'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their religious belief is what motivates them'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're demonising them because they -do- get treated the same'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aha, here we go... you're demonising us by treating us the same as those infidels!'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're the one who made the statement, paraphrasing "Why should we subsidise the building of cathedrals?"'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not I'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news! France stripped of AAA credit rating'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'that IS good new. I think you should do a global restore to celebrate!'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is beyond my power'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'all you need is 2 tps'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'how is that good news'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's FRANCE'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm from the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're still not really clarifying how this is good news'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a cultural thing, the british hate the french in the same way that the canadians hate the quebecese, or the republicans hate gays, or the democrats hate -everybody-'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't have the quebecois'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'hate*'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though in other news, the spokesman for India's ruling Congress party, apparently, is called Sandeep Dikshit'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'oh man'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you don't, it's a stereotype'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'lol sandeep, that's hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's both sand, and deep!'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'hahahahahahahahahhahahahaahhaa'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can probably get you a good deal if you switch your ISP though'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're flying from USA this week, it's national tsa opt out and film week '
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those fb minded, here's the event page for it: http://www.facebook.com/events/140941596049319/'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't vetted that, not on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only silver lining is that property should hold steady rather than increase, and oil/fuel prices will be roughly static'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the sound of that news headline: "Senate bill lets feds read your email"'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though we know now that they do that, legal or not'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Student expelled for refusing location tracking rfid badge'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that they offered to allow her to wear an id with the battery and chip removed just proves that it's got nothing to do with student safety'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a lot of new news tonight, more police brutality/stupidity after woman suffers heart attack after being tased 3 times during a traffic stop'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'record number of americans will use food stamps this thanksgiving (that was a given, must be a slow news day)'
T3/r7/2012-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the only biggie: Senate bill lets feds read your email'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish certain people would watch this interviwe with G Edward Griffin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijCPxhaZ_M&feature=BFa&list=UUl0T0SKaV5rJU81F_QUCakw'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something that can be helped by a jolly good old fashioned lynching'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administrations effort to nationalize the nations pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRAs and 401k plans, NSC is warning.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't sound good'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, here in the UK you're not allowed to have a pension worth shit, what makes Americans think they should be allowed to save for their old age? </sarcasm>'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Canada has a nationally run pension program that works great, as well as governmentally sponsored retirement savings - we still allow private pension systems though'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'removing that doesn't seem to make sense'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and I suspect it's editioralization'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here in the UK they taxed the hell out of private pensions a few years back, and have the system set up such that if you're in the 1% you'll get a decent pension. If you're not, then now matter how much you save up, you'll be no better off than someone who didn't bother'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well that sucks'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem with the pension system is that it's based on the notion that investment produces return'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Canada's pension/retirement programs are taxed at the same rate as normal income'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a famous stuffed dog advertising insurance would say: ohhhHHHhh yesh!'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'seems like a nice idea, except that it's wrong -- the returns that you used to get, youdon't anymore'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'IRAs have been expanded in scope in all recent years, don't foresee that changing anytime soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hence the pension system is basically stuffed'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can still expect a reasonable return on investment swalec'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the question is how do we, as a society, ensure that all members of our society have a reasonable standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you don't need 10% a year for saving to be worth-while, you just need to match inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you need to greatly exceed inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Averan, you can expect what you like, but don't mean you is going to get it. I have a pension. I have no belief that it is going to be worth anything when i am supposed to collect it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, the source is a bit of a panic-site, but there are references to real meetings from real organisations and real governmental people there, so there's going to be some truth in it, even if it doesn't come to pass'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/government-sets-its-sights-on-private-retirement-accounts-designed-to-grab-the-retirement-nest-eggs-of-americas-senior-citizens_11202012'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't increase savings by matching inflation'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe's right, you only protect the real terms value by matching inflation, and even then it probably won't because the government headline rate of inflation is artificially low and has been since the early 80s'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'What about the inflation rates calculated by seperate independent scientific groups that match ?  artificially low lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem, Tigernuts, is that over the last 20 years, the distribution of resource has changed so radically, that now a very large part of the population cannot hope to save for their retirement'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'exacerbated by increased requirement for savings because of the change in life expectancy'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but wages have continued to grow over the past 20 years, and the idea that they've gone down is just wrong'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rate of inflation is not a scientific law, however the living standards of the average american -have- dropped by around 66% since 1968, studies show'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'averan, compared to what? especially, given that a lot of wage increase have ben on the back of debt'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but typically inflation rates don't include a wealth of things like insurance'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from a economic point of view, there's no reason why savings should have a positive real rate of return. It all depends on the economy...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a perfect world there'd be no inflation and the price of everything would remaind roughly static, so you wouldn't need to worry'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'even now if you have a large pool of money, you can expect a very respectable rate of return'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and money would grow on trees and goods are manufactured by robots and provided freely. sure.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's the whole point of a national pension program'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't expect that unless you're naive, Averan'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think generates the return in pensions?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'investments in business'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, stock markets typically'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when stock market declines, what do you think happens to those investments?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without inflation, when the equilibrium real rate of return is negative, the economy would start to stall and shake it self to pieces trying to push up the inflation rate'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'properly diversified with a lare enough pool of money, very little'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'unless there's a huge complete and utter crash'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at Averan's remark.
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow. just wow.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like "we haven't considered the possibility because it's unlikely therefore it MUST be bad" Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though I guess inflation of some sort is inevitable'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the CPP continued growth straight through the economic crash'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it dipped one year, and regained it all the next'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've failed to account for all the debt in the system'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have no idea what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given that the US economy has exceeded the pre-crisis peak in real terms, having a positive return in the us is not too surprising'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a real reason why some of the very richest people are coming out of the markets and investing in tangibles such as land and precious metals'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try finding positive real rates in greece...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's also a reason why they're not telling everyone'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sonshi: I admitted that, I said if there was a real crash then you're fucked.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I mean you can just bury your money in the ground in the back if you'd rather, but then it depreciates in value'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much. But equilibrium rates can vary and go below 0 under certain circumstances, is my point.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's the real world best case scenario at the moment, Averan: Western governments manage to hold onto things and sort it out through a couple of decades of relatively high inflation - net result people's savings and real terms living standards decrease significantly (33-50%)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worst case is the debt bubble bursts and the situation rights itself by means of a crash that will make 1930s look like a cakewalk'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inevitable, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inflation is accompanied by labout cost increases'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'labour'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be one'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if managed well enough, standards of living will be unaffected. Pre-crisis paper wealth, however, will fall.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there was, nothing will change and therefore it wouldn't be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'living standards are already falling'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'do you have some kind of source showing that'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'just genuinely curious'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff like "real terms income in UK lowest since" or similar'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'oh you're talking about the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a thought experiment, if you add a 0 to every flow, the standard of living, production, etc. will remain unchanged, real asset prices will be largely unaffected, but debt will be reduced by a factor of 10, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm talking about the UK, but it applies also to the USA and most of western europe'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there will be interim effects, certainly, but how long those last depends on govt effectiveness'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that wouldn't work, sonshi, everything you buy in will become 10x as expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but everthing you get paid in is also 10x more...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your bank account will decrease 10x though... but so will your debt (if any). It's horribly redistributionary, but what can you do?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can you do? not make the debt in the first place, or sort it out by getting a grip'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'finding no evidence of any kind of reduction in standard of living in america'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how are you going to do that? Hold a gun to people's heads?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and it's gone up massively since the 60's'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so even if there was a bit of decline in the past few years, still 50% up on how we lived in the 60's'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, seems that the annual reports for CPP disagree with the notion that it's been investment-positive...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no usury! Arrest the moneylenders? Stone them? Is that it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I was just looking at then, they dibbed in the crash, and then recovered the next year'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'dipped*'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm looking at multiple years of losses'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'link?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lost 257M in 08, lost 23.5B in 09'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/pub/cpp/pubcpptoc.shtml'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I stand corrected'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it has since recovered though and is doing well'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'unlike a lot of the non-national pensions in america which were completely wiped out'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the canadian budget has recent changes "introduced measures to ensure that the Old Age Security (OAS) program remains on a sustainable path."'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to me, that doesn't sound like "we're doing fine, investments are hunky-dorey"'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'which was my point in favour of a national pension program, if it's government managed and run the government can back it up to ensure people have their pensions to retire on'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'which was started this whole thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think I saw somewhere that life expectancy at retirement age is decreasing for lower income workers in the us'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the point of social security in the US, not of a national pension program'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'partly because of increasing retirement age'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Webster Tarpley covers it a lot in his works. If you want to know what's going on, check out JP Holdren's book "Ecoscience"'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the changes to CPP is that Canada is raising the age of retirement'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but we've had social security for like 90 years and see where it gets us'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'which is mostly a response to the massive imabalance in young and old in the country'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as did social security'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxes for the us retirement program thingy (SS) seems to be too low'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Handy talk covering it all here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GFmxYcIp1k&feature=BFa&list=UUl0T0SKaV5rJU81F_QUCakw'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sonshi: average life expectancy of the young generation is projected to go down for the first time in a century or so, because of problems with obesity'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the fundamental issue is not the imbalance between old and young...the fundamental issue is that investment of the old person's money before they were old are *NOT* sufficient to pay their pension'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's where your "you only have to keep up with inflation" is flawed'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK national insurance scheme for pensioners is a ponzi scheme'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always was'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our version has a pay-in of 20-40% of base income, I think, can't remember the figures'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the financial backing for it assumed 100% employment for 40 years and a life expectance of 67'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'actually the CPP isn't a fully-funded dollar in, dollar out pension program, it's looking to pay out more than it takes in'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it's a ponzi scheme, Averan'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even without a positive real return, it's still enough to avoid a huge drop in standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that alone doesn't make their scheme a ponzi scheme'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the conditions of a ponzi scheme is that it's unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'how is it a ponzi scheme?  It's just pooling the resources of all Canadians to make a higher rate of profit than they could ever make on their own investing'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a scheme is designed to always pay out more than it has payed in, then it IS unsustainable and is a ponzi scheme by definition'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what no'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it earns huge amounts of money every year'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, that does not make it unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it pays out more to pensioners than it takes in from them, by earning more than inflation every year'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so the absolute amount of money in the pool increases'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not sure why that's hard to grasp... lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether or not it is actually unsustainable depends on demographics, future expansion, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fine while it's making a profit'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also fine provided government doesn't suddenly take a gigantic authoritarian 'bite' out of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and just because it's not fully funded in nominal terms doesn't mean it isn't fully funded in real terms...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what the original link posted said might happen, which has already happened in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are you complaining that it isn't fully funded, then complaining that they might make it fully funded by cutting it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and assuming nothing happens in the market to wreck it, such as happened with 10s of thousands of Equitable Life pension customers in the UK who had their entire private pensions wiped out by corruption'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'did you just simultaneously say that the market wrecked their pensions, and corruption wrecked their pensions?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm saying that just because it's doing better than inflation now is no guarantee it always will, and it doesn't preclude government nabbing it, or corporations ruining it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effectively both in that specific case, averan'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a rock might fall on my head if I walk out of the door. I should stay here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though generally UK private pensions got attacked with a tax hatched by Gordon Brown when he was in charge'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'no corporation has access to it, how would that happen lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, what's it invested in?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you keep comparing the situations of private pensions to national pensions'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's invested in the markets, it's vulnerable to them'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and whether private or national, it' vulnerable to actions of government'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's about 60-40 canadian bonds and stock?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i agree, national pensions are likeely to be safer'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I would check, but I'm tired of this conversation tbh'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not safer investment-wise'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unless they're borrowed from, like has happened in some us states'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canada is a bad example, but take UK or USA, if it's bonds - what happens if the government can't pay the bonds?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'merely more easily bailed out'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'tigernuts, I already conceded that if there's a complete crash then yes, everything will dissapear'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if you would rather bury your money in your backyard, go nuts'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, like i have money'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's more an argument for diversifying your retirement than doing something stupid'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prepare for yourself, don't rely on government or private pensions'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, buried in the backyard would've done better than most diversified over the past 6 years ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean don't have those things, just don't count on them'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but over the last 100 years it still is historically the best option'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad we don't live 150 years then }:>'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although, seriously, that'd put even more strain on the system'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I'd imagine it'd eventually stabilize'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not if we could work for the majority of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'people earn more, and contribute more as they move further in life'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although, everything else staying the same, you'd have an increase in population above the rate of increase that is currently going on, at least for awhile'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's more academic than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other than cases of early disability, the system really can be broken down into "does John Quimby put in more <and get more investment from> than he collects"'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not many people group before level 100 or so'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there must be enough cushion beyond that to handle the disability cases, but that might be able to be mitigated by the pre-retirement deaths'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'interestingly enough, there's a huge decrease in birth rates in a bunch of developed nations, so they're going to have to deal with some pretty interesting situations in the next 30-50 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'razkin: birth rate drops massively, we need low-level workers and we still hate immigration lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'low-level workers for what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'working fields, that kind of shit'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that depends on where you're talking about'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all the manufacturing jobs you don't have?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'world always needs ditch-diggers'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'janitors, stockboys'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since mechanisation, it needs very few'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd be surprised, tiger'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'drywallers, painters, etcetc'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'any skillless, low paying job'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have enough of those for the population already, dunno what makes you think it would be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well all of this started by talking about retirement, at least at the point that I logged in, and my point is that a lot of these nations are going to see a lot more stress on the retirement systems and health care systems relatively soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'looking at places like Japan, and it's going to be even more exagerated in some countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, raz, and the UK's is already screwed'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's also going to be a huge shortage of certain kinds of labour'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'big, pushes to raise the birth rate in some places, with very little success'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'also a skill labour gap, as all the boomers retire'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with the skills gap herein the UK, Averan, but not the skillless'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well man I don't really know the situation over there'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so you can't just assume what I'm saying applies'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2.5mn officially unemployed, the genuine figure is closer to 5'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but you can look at what's happeninging in other areas and at least try and draw some conclusions as to what might happen here'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially as you watch those other countries try and deal with it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sure razkin, but I was talking about specific situatiosn that we're dealing with'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason tehre'd be a shortage of casual or unskilled labour is if you were paying more in welfare than they can make doing the work (which is what happens in the UK)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well sure, I mean, I am talking more general myself'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and tigernuts disagreed with them based on the situation there (in the UK) as though that had any bearing'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they get paid the welfare because of the high cost of living, so the merrygo-round continues'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you seriously saying there's a shortage of unskilled labour in teh USA?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm talking specifically about Canada, but I've heard it's mirrored in america as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's a lot of jobs on farms in the interior of the continent, but no one wants them'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are the 12-odd million unemployed doing if there's an unskilled labour shortage? :_)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they don't want the jobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'waiting for a higher-paying job'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the situation is identical to the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so your two options are: bring in cheap labour from abroad, or pay more'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from experience here, option 1 isn't sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the same people that don't want the job themselves...scorn the immigrant labor ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or you could not be a greedy git and offer to pay more. I'm not talking about small businesses that aren't doing well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about major corporations whining about having to pay more than minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well a lot of these unwanted jobs do pay a pretty reasonable living, they're just undesirable'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, the idiots who whine about not being able to find a job but shun low-paying jobs and then hate immigrants for "taking those jobs" are themselves idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mark it on your calendars, folks, I agree with Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'eg there's a fish packing factory near me that pays $18/hr to start, but no one wants to work there'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and there's constantly openings'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd do it'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with people 18 bucks an hour?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more than i get now as a programmer'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's half my last salary ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is it a 9 to 5, 5 days a week job?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the factory is open 24/7, so it's not necessarily 9 - 5'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but you're getting 40+ hours a week'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with people? That's 720 bucks a week.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of job i'd prefer to do 12hrs a day 3 days a week'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Approximately 3240 a month. There are plenty of "legit" jobs that require years of education that pay less, even beyond entry level salaries.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'tiger: a lot of similar places here do 10 days on 10 days off'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tbh, yuna, the system makes it tough...'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a hard job in shitty work conditions, I don't think many people would last as long as they think they would'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The system makes it tough for people to work in fish factories?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even in my job, i could get a job doing 16hrs a week at minimum wage locally and be little worse off'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole system is rotten'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for many people on unemployment, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'this is in Canada though, we weren't hit as hard by the crash'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so your fish factories may be less well paying'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Canda was sensible an retrenched their economy in the early 90s, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'also Vancouver is a really wealthy city'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while everyone else was running up their credit cards like it was crack'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, this is priceless.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well credit card debt isn't what led to the crash lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm looking at a map of minimum wage levels in the U.S. right now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know what i mean, averan, government spending out of control'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not credit cards literally'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's not what did it either'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when on unemployment, stuff you make is deducted from your unemployment,so you work more but don't benefit from that work, and the working can interfere with trying to find a job in your correct field'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's no buffer on unemployment there?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how much of earnings are deducted, and whether there's a "grace" amount, etc, varies by state'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're allowed to work a moderate amount in addition to your unemployment in Canada'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not on welfare though'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's pretty much a Red vs. Blue map. Every single Blue states has a Minimum Wage level equal to or greater (with the vast majority of Blue states having a MW HIGHER than that) than the federal minimum wage while every single states that's got a minimum wage lower than that of the federal level is a Red state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yes, there's generally a buffer, but can't get into details as each state is different'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, my state is kind of purple, so I suppose it makes sense that it's the same as federal minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some states don't even HAVE minimum wage laws. WTF?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what is the federal minimum wage?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but between the reduction and the time constraint, it makes it harder to take crap jobs temporarily'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they're all in the Bible Belt.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't live in a state, the minimum wage is largely irrelevent as it's not the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '$7.25/hr, I believe'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fedel minimum wage level: For tipped workers: $2.13, Non-tipped workers: $7.25'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, no state doesn't have minimum wage law, as all states are under federal minimum wage'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so low'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, like...$7.24 in canadian money :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they just don't have an expressly-their-own min wage law, it's not that they don't enforce a min wage'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I get it. If a state doesn't have a minimum wage law, it automatically follows federal minimum wage laws.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'federal applies to all 50 states'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And to DC!'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's the name of that really fat, evil hag who was whining about how she was being forced to pay minimum wage laws to her workers and wishing they'd be abolished so she could pay them peanuts? She's a billionaire.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'states can choose to be more strict with a higher one'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder how many businesses start at minimum wage'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, I remember that'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't that in australia?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wasn't she from australia or something?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dunno who that is, yuna...I'd imagine she'd just move offshore'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She's FROM Australia, but I think she own businesses in the U.S. I could be wrong, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably owns them worldwide'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol. Found her by googling "Australia minimum wage woman".'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I want to say she took over a business, if i recall correctly, from her father'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what chinese prepubescent girls are for'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'isn't Australia's minimum wage really low'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was slightly off. She was talking about Australia's mimimum wage, which is $2.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK minimum wage is $10 an hr, btw'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what is $2AUS in $US?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Australia minimum wage looks to be $15/hr, much higher than in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Her name is Gina Rinehart.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all very well quoting minimum wages, but cost of living does differ significantly'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, apparently she was talking about under-the-table dealings. "Africans want to work.  Its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day."'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, inherited a mining company from her father'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, even worse, she runs mines'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She was saying that Australians should be more like AFricans and accept $2 per day wages.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So she can afford, you know, that 29 billionth hoagie.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that depend on what $2 per day will buy you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Australia? Half a sandwich.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, 1/4th of a sandwich. It's AUSD, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully you get the point, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sally struthers tells me that I can feed a family of 5 in africa on $2'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$10/hr here would be work $12/hr in scotland, maybe $15 or $20/hr in the middle of nowhere USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But she wasn't talking about Africa. She said Africans were willing to work for $2 a day, so Australians should be willing to work for close to that little.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Huh, if you hire people under 16 in australia, you only have to pay them about a third of minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She was whining about the minimum wage in Australia being too high, wanting it lowered significantly. Because, you know, working in mines is so fucking glamourous people should be happy to be paid below-minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'To be fair, if minimum wage got raised to $15/hr in the US, there would be a hundred thousand people just like her here'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the... apparently Jabba the Hutt (Rinehart) is also locked in a bitter dispute with her 3 adult children over a foundation set up by her father for his grandchildren. Why the FUCK is she fighting them? It's not HER money.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '$15 AUSD is NOT close to being the same thing as $15 USD.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'sure it is'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '$15 aussie dollars = $15.53 USD'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... apparently. When the fuck did this happen?'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just a few years ago, the AUD was worth half of what the USD was worth.'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so was the canadian dollar :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lowest it has been in the last few years was over .6'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'during the crisis'
T3/r7/2012-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the sky was falling, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'ultranerds socially inept yet and super sensitive what a combo '
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Open Forum: Election is over. now we are into the holidays? time to vent if you like them or dont. Lets get something started.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you're all having a good fake-holiday'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ambulance chasing!'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mashes his buzzer button and answers with "What are tricks to teach a pet shark?"'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'aim laser beam'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is gambling prevented by the constitution?'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which constitution?'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where will you get your pointless shit from if you have a bust up with china?'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for building shit in the country you sell it, becoming self sufficient to an extent would be a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the theory behind globalization.  It perhaps started out from a motherland-centric viewpoint, but everyone quickly realized it was much more economical to inventory goods and parts related to them in the market country.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eventually it's going to happen to politics, so next election might as well vote for UN Ambassador instead.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I do not kid.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'neither do i'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around $4.8tn is owned by foreign countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'all of whom back their entire economies in US dollars, not gold'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the globalists are taking the same steps and making the same mistakes as the global economics teams did.  It's not even anywhere near "what if" anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'and debt is not like normal debt... our national debt is not like a family of four owing an external entity like a bank for a mortgage...'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just a matter of how smart they want to be with their graft.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'china's GDP is like 11 percent of ours. all that "newsmax" economic apocalyptia talk is BS'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, only in America...New Mexico scuba diver drowns.'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pedwiddle: 'Right, 'cause nobody in any other country could have equipment malfunctions or anything like that....'
T3/r7/2012-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i think he's refering to the distinct lack of coastlines in new mexico'
T3/r7/2012-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, some crazy left wing nut was in the news claiming that people shouldn't celebrate Thanksgiving in the current way because it was founded by white supremacists and nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to Professor Robert Jenson, who writers for one of George Soros's echochambers "Alternet"'
T3/r7/2012-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PA college slashes instructors' hours to avoid obamacare costs'
T3/r7/2012-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new Facebook policy conflicts with European privacy law'
T3/r7/2012-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shadow banking system grows to $67tn'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No history to show for the debate channel. There is now....'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Tigernuts to be more quiet.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planning a letter to my local MPs :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why not just see them in person?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have the time or money for the 200 mile round trip?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they live 200 miles from their seat?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they -work- 200 miles from their seat'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm actually considering joining a political party'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's quite unfortunate...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they prefer emails or letters because they can answer in their time and research the relevent information'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which means I have too much spare time and should pup more, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'problems with a big country, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems entirely reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also intend writing to the UKIP prospective candidate to see if they can come up with a better idea'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You might wonder whether they really need to be in London, they could just log on to aardwolf and talk in the debate channel and post youtube links and such.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be easier, wouldn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with all the modern transportation and comm links, you do have to wonder if it's really necessary to use the old setup...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they could debate in a virtual space, then go to london for the final deliberations, or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or we could euthenise them all and save millions of pounds'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'amusingly, in Norway, only the conservatives have had any success in moving gov't offices away from the capital'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be asking them how they intend to fix the issue of being able to afford a basic 300,000gbp house on a salary of 25,000gbp, and what they intend to do with the building cartels which, complicit with local government, are the only ones allowed to build on green field land'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tigernuts!!!  Tinada cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have you investigated the procedures for bidding for govt land?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't bid for government land'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you sound like a quack, they'll just ignore you, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then how does the land get sold?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not government land that's being sold'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh... then whose?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government doesn't own most of the land'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and what is the procedure for obtaining it?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land? you buy it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and what's the problem specifically?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planning law'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... what's the restriction that you're complaining about?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planning law is tighter than an unmolested choirboy's arse, means no-one can build anywhere except in existing gardens and brownfield sites'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would also help to quote relevant parts of current law/policy to them in your letter'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means plots get smaller and smaller, more and more expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you just rant at them they'll toss your letter and send a reply thanking you for your concern'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the end destination is everyone living in tiny shoebox hellholes stacked ontop of each other'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it would be better to euthenise them'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need to identify parts of the regulation preventing people from building residential units in open land...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difficulty is not writing the letter'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'otherwise they'll just think it's the usual whining and send you a reply that goes "we thank you for your concern and we are working hard to address these isue..."'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difficulty is enacting change - it's in big business' interests to keep property getting smaller and more expensive'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, issues'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it keeps profit margins up'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keeps control high'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you won't get anywhere without identifying specific issues in the regulation'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll let you into a secret, Sonshi, your statement would be accurate if you included only words 2-5'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so why send a letter at all then?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK members of parliament do not represent the people of their constituency, they represent their PARTY to their constituency'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allows me to take it out on someone'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the chance that it'll do anything would drop from tiny to zero if you sound like a run-of-the-mill nutcase in your letter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and as OWS shows, having an actual objective is a lot more useful than "bad things are being done to us and you should fix it blgahahsk"'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'OWS?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'occupy wall st'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'OWS was easily defeated by co-option'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they never did settle on an objective...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'OWS was a false-flag attack.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best solution i have is to move countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were never supposed to have an objective in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi imagines tigernuts pushing ireland out further into the atlantic.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd actually prefer to use an ejector seat on 90% of the population and have my fucking country back, kthx'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be a real quixotean feat, I think, since Mother Earth is pushing it into the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes objectives emerge from a spontaneous movement like that... like in egypt and libya...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Globalism. Make sure that everyone suffers'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tigernuts for evil dictator! Gets to choose his 10%!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good enough for Bill Maher, good enough for me'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'psst, brits, make me evil dictator for life and I'll "eject" tigernuts!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, at least i have some solutions'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'final solutions?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any solutions'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mein fuhrer, is that you, after all these years...?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dictators are all in the labour party and global equivalents these days'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muhammed Morsi, etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to be dictator when you're out of power, oddly!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hitler was a people person, a real for-the-people bleeding heart.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring it on, global warming!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let's see how your country copes with that in the next 50 years...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would I care?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've already started!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, not having kids?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if i did, wouldn't affect them'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi mutters something about starlings.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I care even tho I don't have kids and will be dead in 30-40 years.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'survival of civilisation and all. A noble goal, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might just be exaggerating the nature of the problem somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'says the guy who believes in random hoaxes on one side and claims the other side is entirely a hoax!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'side of what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the science vs ostriches argument'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only controversy when it comes to global warming is how bad it will be. However, most recent science shows things will be much worse than we thought before.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're thinking we'll have 4.0 degree shifts in temperature now.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll personally be devestated if the global temperature rises at the same rate as it has for the last 16 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since according to the experts 2.0 will be devastating, 4.0 must then be the end of the world.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, Hanslanda, give the remaining 50% of your salary to Al Gore and he'll save everyone by building himself an extremely large mansion on the coast near San Francisco'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that controlling it now is a net saving...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or, you know, do something useful.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any good globalists, they don't consider policy to solve the problem, only to use the problem to rip everyone off and subjugate'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think we should spend the most of our money going to solve this problem into research of alternative solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's no controlling it now.  Whatever we could possibly do, short of reverting to candles and buggies, won't affect the outcome enough to matter.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can slow it substantially, and give enough time to complete work on other measures'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a disaster is already unavoidable, but the scale matters too'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think we can reverse the current problem in a couple 100 years or so. If we want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's the encouragement being given to grow gardens, trees, balcony gardens, roof gardens, where's the encouragement NOT to concrete over stuff, where's the investment in -proper- renewable energy rather than corporate welfare to companies making billions of dollars out of pushing dodgy wind solutions to places where wind doesn't blow, and solar to countries with little sun'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why aren't they converting deserts to viable crops lands?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, with enough energy you can reverse it, certainly.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all we hear is control and tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, this is why carbon needs to be tradable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon does not need to be tradable'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, with enough energy we can just capture co2 directly from the air.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you taxed emissions, there'd be a large economic incentive to reduce it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing i said would require a carbon trading scheme'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe you need to find somewhere else to listen, tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't -work-, sonshi, you tax emissions all you do is force people to pay more for the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Politicians will not solve the problem, scientists will.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doing it piecewise is like taking courses in 5 cities instead of the same school... a waste of resources.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to throw money at it, have governments build green energy capacity directly'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some things govt can do more effectively than the free market. This is not one of them'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree entirely'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Better to make sure that the energy companies make more money from green energy. Aka taxing the bad stuff. '
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'live in the UK, it'll change your mind pretty damned quickly'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the conditions for when govt should intervene directly is when the free market cannot function in that area, for one reason or another'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would only work if green energy was competitive.  It definitely has not reached that point, either as an individual source or as a collective one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, many govts could take lessons on how to build a free market from us, and some nordic states...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, hans, that's why we only get shit green electric like solar and wind because they have very low infrastructure costs, comparatively'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something sensible like tidal barrages require huge investments which the free market cannot get involved in'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'green energy is competitive, if you taxed to compensate for externalities'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're willing to throw every one in the country into fuel poverty, sure'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research into green energy is a different matter, of course - govt can pump in money here - but the actual manufacture and sales are better handled by the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still obsessed with windmills and solar panel'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't "manufacture and market" large power infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as I said many times before... the extra funds can eliminate marginal taxation on the poor, as well as provide everyone with a fixed-sum annual "gift".'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps in a parallel universe they can'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poor needn't be hurt unless the politicians are incredibly stupid'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the poor will always be hurt, and politicians are always incredibly stupid, or greedy, or both'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by competitive, I meant in terms of efficiency.  Not a single source of green energy is yet able to replace any of the fossil fuels (solar, wind, hydropower, algae, etc).  The comparison is not close at all, even in ideal zones where such sources would be used.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, when you have a policy giving the country a large net benefit, it's just a matter of moving things around to ensure that the poor don't lose out. You could even arrange it so that every class gains'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'working harder on making things need less energy in the first place would be useful too :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's crazy socialistic talk, Majic!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hans - it's competitive if a high enough price were attached to emissions'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not attach a high price to breathing?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my university's done a lot of stuff on their recent remodels with using passive heating/cooling -- stuff they never thought about before'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, a carbon tax would give a large incentive to reduce usage too'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, carbon tax doesn't work, because then I have to pay more for the same, and also it doesn't work because the government is ugly and stupid'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'currently, the best possible solar panel only has like a 40% output, which is somewhere around twice the amount of the panels currently on the market (at any price range, so obviously most everyone's not going to have them).  That's not currently a manufacturable panel due to costs, and it's still around half the efficiency of oil.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if coal energy prices doubled (and some of the tax was used to help the poor as a flat sum), you'd see a rush to develop ways to reduce energy expense.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also a move into lower emissions sources'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or you could just legislate the maximum emissions allowed from a station for future developments and not have that huge hike in fuel costs'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will achieve much the same effect over the long term'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'solar panels are pretty cheap now, the main limitation is that it can't produce round the clock.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if coal energy were to double in price, solar would become far cheaper for daytime use...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and there isn't enough roofspace on the planet for our energy requirements from solar'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not like solar is the only "green" source'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'solar is one of the most-efficient sources, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said before, solar and wind are red herrings, they could never provide even a significant element of the solution, they're just the lowest hanging fruits for big business to steal lots of subsidy money on'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's nuclear!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no need for subsidy - tax instead'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're about to start work on a huge nuclear plant about 100 miles from here'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reputed to be able to supply 15-20% of the entire country's energy needs'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing coal and redistributing the gains in other ways would effectively function as a green-energy subsidy without the cost, and with no adverse impact on the poor'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, taxing carbon, I mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'emissions, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds reasonable, but in reality not practical'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's practical... we have pigouvian taxation for a lot of other things'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we == you'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'redistribution is a failure here'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while countries were moaning about congestion taxation not being practical, for instance, we had already implemented it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... elect smarter politicians!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would require dispensing with the electorate'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'join a party and try to get them to choose candidates with firsts from cambridge in a hard subject or something'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far more preferable to let them rot in a hell of their own creation and make my own way'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, on your little island detached from modern industrial society...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're well detatched from industrial society'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if they start throwing carbon taxes around, it'll never be coming back'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK would benefit from an investment in coalpower right now'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, was looking at your finance minister (chancellor of the exchequer)... he studied... modern history?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not even a first!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's an elitist, he has huge wealth and doesn't care about the little people'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could be art history :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's pretty much identical to everyone in positions of power in british politics and commerce'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could all be physically related, and probably are'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... see... if you had actual smart people running your govt...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have to buy stuff for personal use, and I'm pretty sure you've got utilities beyond the sun, rain, and whatever trash you can use for insulation.  Also pretty sure the companies you're buying your stuff from have utilities beyond those as well.  For all intents and purposes, you're in bed with modern industrial society'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'financial interest >> smart people'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, a bachelors is no guarantee of common sense'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'run smart candidates and tout their first class honours in math/econs/something relevant'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone with a first class honours degree in economics shoudl be banned from having anything remotely to do with the country's finance'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least they'd have a good chance of actually comprehending economic arguments'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, because it worked out so terribly for my country?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a tiny little country'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is run by these people'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are called 'Technocrats''
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because having a strong econs/math backgroud is great for a small country, but terrible for big countries?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or because you're "special" or something?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people don't vote for highly educated politicians (on average) because they're 'not like them' and 'them ivory tower types have no clue about the real world' and they prefer to vote for 'that joe, he's like me''
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a degree in economics doesn't make you any good at it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't even do that here, majic'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a strong education's usually a big plus with voters in my country...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shadow-chancellor here's policies involve spending the same revenue several times over'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how good his economics are'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah sonshi, but your country values education instead of giving lip service to it while realy wanting everyone to achieve the exact same results.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and having a first in econs or math from a strong uni does make you capable of understanding econs...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that didn't stop those same people from causing the world economic crisis of the last 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'such people make their first mistake when they go "well, here's what the market's going to do..."'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wouldn't have happened if we were in charge!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore isn't 'all that''
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we took much less damage from the 1997 crisis compared to hk, for example, in large part because of our (govt's) better understanding of econs'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was a great deal of panicking back then, and in 2008 though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really.  You largely dodged the bullet because your finance people are apparently honest to a fault and willing to give up much of their future earnings by steering customers to investments that make the customer money instead.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i'm concerned, Singapores' just another overcrowded authoritarian city state hell hole that i'd hate to live in'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we had plenty of fraud in our banks, where the govt isn't looking. It's just that they're good at looking.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's SMALL so it can be looked at'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... another? There's another one?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do make it sound like we're more democratic than the uk though!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just think you are'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Economist Intelligence Unit classifies Singapore as a "hybrid" country, with authoritarian and democratic elements. Freedom House does not consider Singapore an "electoral democracy" and ranks the country as "partly free". Reporters Without Borders ranked Singapore 140th out of 167 countries in its 2005 Press Freedom Index.[2]'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Although dominant in its activities, the government has a clean, corruption-free image. Singapore has consistently been rated as the least-corrupt country in Asia and amongst the top ten cleanest in the world by Transparency International.[4][5] The World Bank's governance indicators have also rated Singapore highly on rule of law, control of corruption and government effectiveness. However, it is widely perceived that some aspects of the political process, civil liberties, and political and human rights are lacking.[6]'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as i sit below the line on the Nolan scale, you can see why this wouldn't appeal to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, civil liberties != democracy, whatever they claim...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the population doesn't support gay marriage and all that, what can you do?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's their choice'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they generally support hanging drug smugglers, say, wouldn't it be undemocratic, rather, to override the people's will?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they rate us badly, but it's the people's attitude rather than the govt system that is illiberal...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get no argument for me, i'm not a supporter of democracies'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you're confusing "democracy" with "liberal govt"'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or i should say, i'm not a supporter of country-level parliamentary democracies'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have free elections, we just have a lot of illiberal laws'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... illiberal is only of those funny looking words...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, one'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our democracy is parliamentary... we inherited the basic system from the brits'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, there were many amendments to the system along the way...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the british system is broken in britain because of the subversion of the role of the judiciary and the monarchy'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the subjugation of the upper house'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, yeah, we don't have that whole monarchy thing too'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is essentially a party-centric parliamentary dictatorship now'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where the parties are run by vested corporate interests'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can't stop people from forming parties... parties are always going to be a part of politics'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, you can'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good luck with that!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have anti-subversion laws built into your constitution'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was headline news in other countries over the last couple of days that a foster-family here in the UK were prevented from fostering three european kids because they were members of the UK Independance party'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have been high level court cases where employees have been sacked for being members of certain political parties'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's no way you're going to have a democracy without political parties. You just need to regulated them well enough for fairness, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me, you can form all the parties you like, the rules are set up explicitly to maintain the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's true here, it's true in the US'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sorry, but I find it hard to trust your news sources, given the number of hoaxes you've brought us.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this hasn't got to do with news stories, hoaxes or not'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your headline news, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't write the news headlines'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If people are getting sacked for being in the wrong party, yes, you'd have a problem. But I doubt that that is happening in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it is, you aren't much of a democracy, if at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you doubt wrong, it did happen, and had to go up the court system, ending in the EU court of human rights'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if judges are getting sacked, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then your problem is not that democracy doesn't work. Your problem is that you need a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was the one i remember, there are others'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high up on the list of questions to determine whether you are a democracy should be "is the govt system responsive to the people"...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"no"'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lose 10 pts'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was an interesting piece'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-if-top-5-paid-40-of-taxes-what-is-their-fair-share/article/2513985'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that one was a bus driver, not a judge...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said anything about a judge?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fair share of taxes is determined by their income...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'washington examiner writers apparently don't understand the phrase "marginal utility"'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, you said employees'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh well'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate the way income tax is used as a justification here, since income tax accounts for a small proportion of the UK tax take'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so it's very hard to take them seriously'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not quite so bad then, a few black sheep, not a govt thing'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's why it's in the "opinion" column, fiendish'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the rich earn a bigger share of income, it's hardly surprising that they should be called upon to shoulder a larger burden'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'opinions should be educated'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'd be almost no opinion left if that were the case'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some papers publish educated opinions, others publish opinions from the village idiot...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most papers regurgitate talking points from above'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most news media'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be very difficult to calculate the overall tax burden in the UK by income, but i'm guessing it would be a of the form y= -x^2-x+c'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, the lowest paid and middle classes pay the lion share of the tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as a proportion of their income)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with it tailing off above and below'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you mean the marginal/total tax rates with respect to income, there are people who calculate stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a direct conflict with propoganda pushed out by both sides of government'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sonshi, but it's more difficult here because of the extremely complex tax and welfare codes, one of the most complicated in the world'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a regular civil-service factory'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it. The poorer classes can't pay the lions share of the tax when they only get a tiny share of the income.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lion's'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a percentage though, it's a different matter...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay a higher PROPORTION of their income in taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'percentage of income, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, that's certainly possible...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone paid roughly the same proportion of their income, it would be more 'progressive' than the current system'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can be fixed by adjusting tax rates... if there's the will for it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is strange because anyone lefist arguing for a more 'progressive' system argues AGAINST a flat rate simple tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why do that when you can make it much more progressive?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's essential as a starting point'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system not being progressive enough is not because of income tax rates'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence why i said income tax rates are bandied around as the most important thing, yet they're not important at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem with a simple flat rate is that with all the means testing already in law, you'll build up a nearly unassailable marginal tax "wall".'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'describe this wall'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for the economy to function smoothly, you need to have a smooth progression in marginal taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm against means testing for nearly everything'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, for example say you have a 30% tax rate, and benefits expire at a certain income level at a rate of 30 cents on the dollar... you get a 60% effective marginal rate'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just go with 40% flat income tax rate, 20% flat rate sales tax. no allowances. job done, billions saved in admin'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '20% sales tax?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't eliminate those benefits either, or you'd throw many people into poverty and crime, and that's counterproductive'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going to dinner now, but... yes, you could'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can wave goodbye to your economy if you tried that...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we would not'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to understand why it wouldn't harm people you need to understand what taxes are currently inflicted(?) on people. The reason poor people pay such a high percentage of their income on taxes is because of all the taxation that is NOT based on income'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which could all be done away with if you modified the income tax system as described'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, in Canada, you can get arrested for telling kids Santa's not real.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why do you need studies to find out that high glycemic index food and high glycemic load meals are not very good for diabetics?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to give people jobs to do'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so that studies can be done to reinforce a corporation's product or market position, or steer it in a certain way'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need any further reasons?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or to establish a thing scientifically'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'instead of just assuming it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts snorts derisively at Averan.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's why we do science'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are the odds on that'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'oh right I'm talking on debate'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it depends on what they're studying and who is paying for it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the corporations/illuminati/government all control and manipulate everything'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with that? why can't it just be corruption and greed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess that doesn't exit either, right?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exist*'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my main complaint is probably the use of statistics in place of medicine'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a lot of 'studies' do'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'presumably because it takes less skill, time and money'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes more money, easier to manipulate'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see studies into the affects of smoking cigarettes from 1920s-1950s'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see also studies into safety of aspartame, 1960s-1990s'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ironic that you complain about using stats in place of medicine when you try to use (bad) stats in place of physics for global warming...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't use anything in place of anything else'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said there had not been any warming for the past 16 years, and that isn't subject to bad statistics, that's subject to trusted science'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, no warming in the past 16 years...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my biggest beef is not with climate change, but with what is being called for in response to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'wow that is the most ignorant thing i've heard all day'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as you well know'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pigouvian taxation is perfectly normal, and it's odd that it's accepted in so many other areas, but somehow a carbon tax gets all the corporations riled up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'it would get me riled up, too, if my profit relied on pumping enormous amounts of waste carbon into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll see if i can find the raw figures'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, still peddling that hoax, I see...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atoam: 'lol, dailymail'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'link the actual article, not the dummy version'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'go ahead, the met office refuted that hoax already...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as you would know, if you had bothered to look'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'he probably didn't, since his premise relies on being blind to fact'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/monitoring/climate/surface-temperature'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guardian has a nice chart on how "skeptics" view global warming...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'i can find an article that will state anything. way back years ago in debate, i used to deconstruct our debates into proving why humanity should be destroyed.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'just like you can find articles refuting natural selection and evolution'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'and let's just say we live in the fantasy world of yours where climate change isn't happening, and let's just say we make the changes to taxation and policy and practice to avoid climate change... what's wrong with creating a better world for our children?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'or do you hate children?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove you're creating a better world for your children'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'nope, not gonna work derailing the argument. first, you need to prove climate chagne isn't happening'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Proper climate taxes may kill off 2bn people, that leaves more resources for the surviving children? :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts grins evilly at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'what the hell is tinada talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'zero source, zero reason, just a blatantly ignorant statement about billions dying'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'limit everyone's freedoms to the point we're all sold into slavery to 'green authoritarianism', so that our grandchildren can enjoy a third-world standard of living?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'we're already slaves to finance industries... you are still attempting to derail the argument and the ignorance of your statement that climate change isn't happening'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you are suggesting, darlak, other than taxing and legislating people into misery? I haven't heard a cogent argument from any in that camp that would solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, sane economic policy will kill billions! Quick, do fifteen hail marys!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a lot of running around with hair on fire'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's approximately like this: To cut enough co2 to stop global warming, assuming UN estimates are correct, you have to raise taxes so high, the last 2ys worth of food price increases will seem like a blip'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which means (1) you have to subsidize food for the poorest or (2) they starve'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ignoring for now the effects of taxes on total production..'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(what's the trend on Foodstamps, Tinada?)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can pull all sort of lies from your hat all day, but preliminary estimates on the taxation needed have already been done...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'tigernuts: address the issue at hand. link to a legitimate article (not the mass media version for dummies) that definitively proves climate change is not happening. do this again for articles that show otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i refer you to the answer given some moments ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'aand..my 2bn statment wasn'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: ''t supposed to be serious, for those who may not have noticed..'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hence the somewhat half-hearted defence :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'tigernuts, where is your article?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you deliberately choosing to read only what you think is said?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hope you know that carbon taxation won't actually decrease food production or even industrial production significantly...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, if the UN is right about funny things like atmospheric half-life of co2, we can't really stop the heating this century anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'tigernuts, where is your article?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'unless you use funny cooling methods'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we can't, but we sure can slow it down a lot'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darlak: 'fox news trolls'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[25 Nov 17:59:29] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'my biggest beef is not with climate change, but with what is being called for in response to it''
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'moving fast on the policy front will make the difference between a minor disaster and a catastrophe'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, if you add a carbon tax so large that it materially affects spending patterns in the wealthy parts of the world, you will raise oil prices by quite a lot, and that means much higher food prices, since oil is one of the main components of modern food production'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and in general, higher taxes means lower producer profits and less supply'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'avoiding small changes now is short sighted and stupid, really'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since the damage is going to be greater...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'how large these effects will be, are debatable'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the world economy would turn a huge profit by spending a bit now'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are the herculean efforts to cover more of the planet in co2-absorbing plants and trees?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are the efforts to convert semi-arid and desert areas into useful farming land?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually reversing it would cost too much, of course we're only going for the easy ways first'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that's right, the only answers the lobby have are "tax people and ruin lives"'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But if you have to halve co2-emissions, you clearly have to increase prices for consumers by quite a lot'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't want to screw everybody over until you have to'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'implementing a pigouvian tax now would mean that we don't have to go into full screw-everybody mode later on'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's already a criminal offence  in Australia to blame price rises on carbon pricing'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and I'm not particularly convinced that $10/gallon pump prices will be sufficient (considering, we already have that here..)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'increasing prices isn't such a big deal, if it's out one pocket in the other...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it won't be'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be in the pocket, the MOSTLY out of it to banking, finance and corporate interests'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taking part of the revenue as an annual flat dividend to the people would eliminate effects on the poor'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'On the other hand, I am not convinced that co2 changes are a major driver of climate fluctuations'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't do that, Sonshi, and you very well know it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we do it...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're supposed to be a democracy, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's been mentioned that Singapore is not typical of other countries'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we're not supposed to be a democracy, we're supposed to be a constitutional monarchy'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It also appears that all thhe models used in the previous report are less reliable than random walk-based models, implying that something is missing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should be easy to get voters behind a flat gift to everyone'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not when it at best is value-neutral'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a *democratic* constitutional monarchy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're still supposed to be a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you vote for your mps and all...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's democracy is the most deluded bastardised parody of it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the voters would likely agree to a tax and gift plan, I should think'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could be approximated by rolling a dice to depend which bunch of bought-out puppets is in charge for the next 5 years'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have way too much faith in voters'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, who doesn't want free money that'd cover more than the typical increase in energy prices?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'democracy works perfectly fine on a village level, I think'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now it's suddenly paying out more than you get in?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a magical tax, now'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'say, I know that John is knowledgeable and honest, so I vote for him.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it does, for the average person...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the rich consume a lot more than the poor'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really true, you know'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so median burden in absolute terms is lower than the mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that requires proof, i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at your income curve. It approximates that'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you won't find a single country where the median income is above the mean'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also (along with poorer people having more children) helps explain why vat is effectively a regressive tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen some statistics on a per-country/per continent basis, but no proof that it's true in-country in a significant way'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why a flat gift helps to redress these issues'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the stats are available on various country websites'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can look up the us stats easily on google. The singaporean site is singstat, there are plenty of others you can find'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not on the obfr'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obfr?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, it's called something else now'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, one way or another, large inequality of income is something that's present to some degree everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk national statistics publication hub'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Do rich people have a larger carbon fooprint to income ratio, though? That is slightly more complex.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what i wanted to know, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as long as the ratio is about the same, the curve would approximate that for income'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't assume that'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt that the carbon footprint to income ratio for rich people is significantly less...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I go to a luxury restaurant and pay $1000 for my dinner, it probably didn't take much more carbon emissions to create than a McD meal at 1-2% of the cost'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way you could assess such a thing would be to do a large survey across a wide spectrum of incomes and personal circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which chances are they haven't done, they've just assumed that x earning twice as much as y has twice the carbon footprint'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but as long as the total footprint grows with income, which is overwhelmingly likely, it will work as a progressive tax'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the wealth that rich people earn tends to come from industry'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the burden of taxation would fall on the shareholders, workers, and consumers...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a stereotype assertion for you: Poor people are probably far less concerned with their carbon footprint than the rich'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where it falls mostly would depend on how elastic the product is'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the shareholders are going to swallow some of it.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell they will'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that just like shareholders will swallow the extra costs from obamacare?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one way or another, if you enact a policy where the economy gets a net benefit, ensuring that the poor don't lose out is a matter of detail'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they will take some fraction of the hit'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's just economics, after all'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats bad economics'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Assuming co2 drives global warming, and a carbon tax stops that, it will still take many years for the economy to benefit from it'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but shouldn't govt think long term?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should, but they don't'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and you won't see the benefit in the form of increased growth either'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd see the benefit in terms of reduced damage, yes'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, when making policy you compare two scenarios, with the policy and without. That's how you calculate the profit due from the policy...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also we're getting a tsunami of retired people/lower overall health and another 20 years of more-or-less debt crisis, which doesn't help much :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you might have to shuffle things around to make sure certain vulnerable sectors don't get hit, but that's a matter of adjusting taxes and national dividends'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and during that generation of adaptation, it is also practically guaranteed that a bunch of poor people die'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, just shift around your taxation'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but then that may also be good in the long run'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hilarious'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the net benefit is positive, you have some room to shift money from net beneficiaries'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg. our anti-congestion schemes bring in a lot of money. This means lower taxes, subsidies on public transport, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, when you return to the real world where actual real (and often incompetent and/or corrupt) governments are in charge, let me know'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's why those taxes will never happen, Tigernuts :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people are hurt by not having a car. But in its place, they can use public transport to travel faster than they would have in a car on a congested road'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'london has a congestion charge, basically makes it stupidly costly to go there'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'complaining about how incompetent your govt is won't make them go away'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is cathartic I guess :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your govt is incompetent, why don't you just support sane policies and push it through?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'push what through?'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good policies'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have yet to see any'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'carbon taxation combined with appropriate redistribution, for example!'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'constitution + bill if rights...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the thing about democracy good or bad, is that the population usually gets the government it deserves'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien is agreeing with that Twyst person again...
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the theoretical basis of democracy :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'frankly, I think the whole "I won't bother supporting good policies because they won't implement it anyway" attitude is harmful to a democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of govts don't get much pressure from their people because whenever someone suggests something good but politically infeasible, others censor it by saying it isn't politically feasible. And then it remains politically infeasible...'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'beside the point, Sonshi. Whatever the members' attitude, the government is theoretically reflective.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that attitude needs changing'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in a democracy, the government reflects the ethos. If the people want to have an attitude as you described, that's fine. They get what they want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are supposed to be of the people working for the people. They are supposedly the public servants'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone can claim that anymore of here'
T3/r7/2012-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for republics, that is just a slogan. In a Republic, the government reflects the wishes of the land owners, and is there to defend those wishes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'zZZzzzZzz..hm?'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol hello :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is electromagnetism something you know something about ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or care to deb an issue ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dead chann then ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'electromagnetism isn't controversial enough for debate channel perhaps.'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah will return tomorrow in tech with the prob - reaserching now '
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mark Carney appointed as the next governor of the bank of England. Joy, just what the UK needs, another ex-Goldmann Sachs stooge ripping off the country for the benefit of international banking'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'company fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots (well i guess that means they won't need to cull due to obamacare)'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a faintly awesome article, for lots of reasons (not all good) http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Foxx: Our Lord and Savior Barack Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'californian man jailed for 4 days for filming cops at a traffic stop'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, of course, you get skills/spells later that let you do that'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No you don't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '>:('
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's sad that when I want to say something, I automatically type debate'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Why do you think that is, Johnny?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like conflict?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Do you?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no  :('
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Tell me about your mother'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure if I'm ready to be psycho-analyzed'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Thats a sign of severe mental trauma'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, yeah'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I do the same'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '>..<'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Head of the TSA declared that the Congressional Committee has no jurisdiction over the TSA.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's..... a bit dodgy....'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Jurisdiction to do what?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they asked him to attend a hearing'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, summoned him'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Hrm, definitely dodgy'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like General Panetta bloke claiming he doesn't need congress approval to go to war'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'they definintely have subpoena power over executive branch officials'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be using it, pussy mob that they are'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Are you implying that bombs for peace is the same as war?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, tinada, i am'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points at Tigernuts and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think will happen with regards to the 'fiscal cliff'?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see new york state and san fran have been going after gun right again'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my state was rated as the third worst run state in the U.S. by the Wall Street Journal.  On the bright side, I had no idea that Rhode Island was actually run worse '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what state is that, Razkin?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Illinois'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illinois recently have the high court rebuff it on their attempts to imprison people for filming cops'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we gave you Obama'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a rare following of the constitution, they found those laws prohibiting it unconstitutional and struck them down'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow tiger, that's kinda surprising given that boston has already gone that route quite publicly'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprising how?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boston already ruled it unconstitutional to film cops?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, unconstitutional to prohibit it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Here in Illinois, we find the Constitution to be more suggested advice than law'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'boston PD were majorly bitchslapped by courts for trying to disallow it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'are favorite phrase is 'living document''
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the message doesn't seem to have gotten through everywhere though, some guy already known to cops in CA got thrown in jail for 4 days for it. Since they'd already been successfully sued by the same guy for $25,000 for wrongful arrest before you'd think they'd learn their lesson'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the constitution IS a living document.  The amendment process makes it so.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see, Hanslanda is from Illinois too, if only in spirit'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and judicial interpretation makes it so'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't like how it's interpreted today, wait 'till the next set of judges'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I only go to Illinois for the lottery tickets and the near-naked women.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we have casino's, too.  Actually not to far from me'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where are you that you'd have to go to illinois for just near-naked women?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'probably wisconsin'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I could see going elsewhere for naked, but doesn't everywhere have at least near-naked?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Missouri.  Best we have over here is the Queen of Hearts, which is where old, used-up hookers go to retire.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so it's for BETTER near-naked, not just for existence of near-naked'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife comes from 'south central' illinois, her town turned an old school building into a strip club'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better is also closer, as it happens.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'by turned into, I mean they let people strip there now'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they didn't actually renovate it or anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and every night they play VH's hot for teacher'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and they make you sit in those tiny, uncomfortable metal-and-wood chair-and-desk combos, too.  No room to adjust your package.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc sings "I dropped my pencil...now gimme something to write on, man"
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the funny thing is, what most disturbs me is they simply just use the old school sign board out front to advertise'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and from what I've heard, you wouldn't be hot for these teachers'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it in Swansea, or more over in the middle where old towns are slowly falling into old coal mines (like that one elementary school they had to abandon)?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, it's actually on the other side of the state, closer to Effingham'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you know, that article that I mentioned earlier, it didn't even say anything about how 3 out of our 4 last governors are all in jail'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but the 4th is doing well for himself :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who were the two before Ryan?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to look it up, was it Edgar?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'walker and kerner, I guess they aren't all currently in jail'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'only Ryan and Blago'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually it was on 247wallst.com'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the article ranking the stats, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'congratulations to North Dakota, btw'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nope, California was the worst'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe I'm thinking of a different list, one about credit ratings or something (CT was definitely the worst state to lend money to).'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Connecticut was 36th'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I mean it's going to be somewhat subjective, based on your criteri'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only two states are rated AAA, Utah is one.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hey looked at debt per capita, deficit, unemployment, household income, and pct. below poverty'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yo daddy's dick is so small, the only tight pussy he gets is from a sewing needle.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ack, mis'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we could debate thet .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'california govt expenditure is pretty average, so they have room for manoeuvre...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being in the hole for billions of dollars is average?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spending/state gdp'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'average for the US is seems .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the only entity worse off than CA is the USPS.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'here in illinois, our deficit is 40 percent of our general fund'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yay us'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bets on CA going postal ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, California's too big to fail.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with just how much the california govt spends alone, you'd think that they shouldn't have a debt problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but somehow they managed to'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://247wallst.com/2012/11/27/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-a-survey-of-all-50/   for those who want to see the article'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unemployment's going to skyrocket in CA soon.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '11.7 percent unemployment in CA'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'second highest in the u.s.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn thats high ! only ppl outta work here are the ones that don't wanna work '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'california is like the US' catalunya'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Nevada is the worst, 13.5 percent unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but they have tons of extra government employees that'll end up getting pink-slipped.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'huge black market there ? how they all live ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of spanics, too'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CA is in a debt spiral'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, so is Illinois'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solution? retrenchment'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think we're tag teaming with CA to try and be the Greece of the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so austerity hits the US finally ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they can negotiate with the fed govt to get a fairer share of their tax money, they'd fix the crisis there'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not austerity, retrenchment'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can't believe it hasn't hit Illinois'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fed ought to agree too - they really shouldn't starve the golden goose that is ca.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'austerity kills economies, entrenchment helps them'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty for clarification'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've been reading that the Movie Industry is starting to trickle out of CA'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'austerity is making 10% cuts across the board, retrenchment is cancelling programs entirely but leaving others well funded'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gaming has been bigger than movies for some time imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, but movies are still huge'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'accepted'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I agree, silcon valley isn't in danger atm'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CA is going the opposite direction with more authoritarianism, more taxation, more regulation'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, i think I read somewhere that that's one of the areas in CA that's still a bright spot'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it'll get worse not better'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i dunno - the only corner of that plate not to go is the san andreas / cascadia fault .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'boohoo, they voted to raise taxes therefore they're authoritarian.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, they're on the same track as us, they're structuring things so that businesses don't want to come here'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a ridiculous thing to say, Sonshi, you should be embarrassed of yourself'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was extremely 'unpredicted' motion results in CA, and an awful lot of leaning, false advertising and fraud'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i quite believe that californians are dumb enough to vote themselves a tax hike'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'california is still far more liberal than the average state, and I doubt it will get more authoriarian anytime soon'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i talk about authoritarian i talk about the attitude of the governance, not of the people'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'iyo would I be right in saying that western economies in general are overweight with welfare dependant healthcare sucking wastes of oxygen ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's true, tzad, but oddly i don't think it's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people still vote for the politicians there...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't actually have a problem with socialism or welfare, it's the institutions that govern it that tend to be the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah business model is the prob imo '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most of the blocs here are agendized, with it being highly unprofitable to fix the issues each proclaim need to be fixed.  We won't ever have racial equality, as about half the blacks seem to think that anything bad that happens to them is to be blamed on someone else (usually the old white guys, but they're not above accusing each other of racism) and the half that accepts responsibility is also sensitive to racial issues.  Even the asians are keeping moreorless wholly to themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hans you get hammered for that ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most people don't listen to the debate channel anyway :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh is the central reason I'm here - this n tech '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, strangely nobody reacted.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I enjoy playing, but I tend to hang around the longest when this channel is active'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh gawd, I hope I'm not going stale! :('
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I didn't say it .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'as far as wellfare and whatnot goes, I think my largest problem (and maybe I'm misinformed on this) is that they don't really seem to have an end goal outside of simply sustaning people, meaning, there doesn't seem to be anything attached to them that aims towards encouraging people to work, or helping them find new training, etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now I know I cann buy QP/TP there seems little point in the game - but you do meet interesting ppl here '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like chatting on this channel, i don't always agree with people, but I usually enjoy reading what people think'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do you get a 3rd gen welfare dependant back into the workforce ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is only token activity towards limiting welfare assistence.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, I think that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tie there welfare to activity n audit the activity ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not sure most people on Welfare know what those other programs are, though, but at any rate it's not so much the welfare keeping folk on it as the knowledge that when they go off it they'll be even worse off than before.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you have to pay people to do that'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'their*'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know someone that quit one of their jobs because they got more food stamps'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a HUGE gap between welfare and the poverty line, and lots of folk in that no man's land have figured out how to get two pieces of the pie so they can live better than they should be.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the strange thing is, if you look at her budget, it made financial sense, at least when you consider her works skills, etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many states have their unemployment and welfare system set up so that you need to register for jobsearch, etc, which will also let you know about programs'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I dont' agree with it, but she gained more from it than working'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm impressed that you can talk on this channel and complete area goals'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at the ssame time, that is'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my experience is with the Australian system -  unemployable ppl get welfare based on race and are not audited'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can barely do a quest and chat at the same time :('
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unemployable or unemployed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unemployable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, unemployable shouldn't be audited'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'me?  Goals are easy, particularly when you have tons of walkthroughs on the net.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what's the point in auditing the unemployable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless you're using some different definition for unemployable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fraud detection.  Just because you got categorized as unemployable doesn't mean you really are unemployable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I doubt the land of Oz is any more or less corrupt than the States, and we've got some really crooked places here.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unemployable, they don't turn up, are a revinue risk if you put them on point of sales through family pressure, general ineptitude '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't know about your country, but in Canada it's a pretty rigourous process to get onto disability and they're required to resubmit a yearly thing from a doctor acknowledging they're still disabled'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'incompetent isn't unemployable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a screwup is different than unemployable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'us govt is really bad at adjusting effective marginal tax rates...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the prob is that the race of an entire reigon is "unemployable" '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they want to means-test food stamps, they should eliminate all other income taxes at levels where people are eligible for such benefits'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they also employ some rather naive people.  Far too many people are getting disability than is proper.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sonshi: there's an income bracket that gets food stamps, but still pays income tax?!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty stupid that you're giving them welfare with one hand and taxing them with the other. So inefficient.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's utterly insane'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some states do...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I pay income tax 3 times over--federal, state, and local.  Can't ever get the local back, though.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you give them welfare .. one sector of the loud are happy - tax em and the ppl providing the welfare are happy to get something back ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'anything under $10k / year pays 0 income tax in Canada, which is a few thousand more than welfare pays, so there's a reasonable buffer where you can start working and make more and not deal with taxes'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and if you're making just over welfare, you still get some of the other benefits like prescription coverage etc'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'to encourage people to get jobs and off the system'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that type of policy is where socialism works imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have entire towns where welfare dependance is the norm in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  Poor folk have some of the best satellite TV packages, electronics, and general all-around amenities.  They live well beyond their means.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a crazy situation here where welfare pays more than working, particularly if you're single, female, and have 2 or more kids living with you'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'easy credit .. last 2 crashes .. yeah I hear ya '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this comes about because the population is too high/dense, wages are too low for living costs (and therefore government subsidises the working)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that already spending far more than the raise, no amount of "socialism" could ever helop'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a lose-lose situation'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm, at the federal level... it seems standard deduction is 5950 for singles, while eligibility cuts off at over 1k per month of income...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so a lot of people are indeed paying income tax and getting food stamps at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd get rid of deductable here'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'usually the (relatively) better run countries like canada have a large personal deduction or a large 0% tax bracket to start with'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and i think it's a con'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in Oz the wages are high because of low unemployment , they'd get more at work , yet no private organisation will employ em because they will not show up after payday, gov projects have to and are burned by the indig. employment quota Every time '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally it should be expanded well beyond the level at which most welfare benefits cut off'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have an allowance on income tax, capital gains, and some other of the investment taxes, they're a vehicle for the rich to dodge taxation'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"burned"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'fair tax go'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget that they can prison/fine you in oz for saying that carbon taxes has caused price rises'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'HR costs of sourcing ppl that will work after having to source from the "locals" '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '= burn'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be like my government saying it would be illegal to claim that VAT rising from 17.5% to 20% is responsible for price raises'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, you'd have to go to Africa to find a more bent government than the UK'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz operates several closed markets , supermarkets n banking spring to mind and they will use any excuse to raise prices - I agree that it should be illegal to raise prices in a non transparent environ'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate of tax of 40%, flat vat rate of 20%, local income tax set locally at 2.5-5%. Job done'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'welfare cheque = the pill... job done '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz Starl is no longer here - someone must carry the torch  '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for letting them get on with it, but abstinence or the pill or an implant should be a requirement of welfare'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up and above the basic citizens allowance'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what happened to her?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but non permanent steralization for welfare dependants would be a huge shift in social engeneering '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wish someone would get nuked so you'd move up on rank 1.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Abe - we are not the droids you seek .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bots, not droids.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Isnt the initial problem, people without the means to raise children having children, still going to be there? regardless of putting the people already with children on welfare on birth control?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be a tough sell, though not tougher than the NHS with it's killing-the-sick-and-elderly antics'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hans ! you unspun my spin !'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a doctor who ran a cancer charity locally here got stripped of his prescribing powers because he had been helping extend the useful lives of terminal cancer patients'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what was his crime exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cyrep: the problem is mitigated by not having them multiply like rabbits getting extra handouts per kid'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his crime was prescribing drugs to help the terminally ill live longer'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Wont people still multiply regardless and end up on welfare anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps breeding should be a privelage - not a right '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some people here lost their jobs because they wouldn't take an injection to make them sick.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas NHS policy is to kill off terminally ill as soon as possible, with tacticts that include denying drugs on cost grounds, and withdrawing water from those in hospital'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'im for steralization at birth to be honest, overpopulated already as it is, plenty to adopt and foster'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that irked a lot of people, so they offered to hire them back on condition of getting sick.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'The Giver comes to mind'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cyrep: the measure is not to prevent people from ever going on welfare, it's to prevent them from taking it from one point to an obscene point'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'What should the population be at then Cyrep?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'oh to limit the usage of its funds?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, if you sterilize at birth, then after one generation there isn't plenty to adopt and foster'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually addressing poverty would be a better idea...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i know when we have over a billion homeless and starving, everyone having another 8 million children every year isnt doing anything positive'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'people thought the same thing in the late 18th century, that the world had about reached its maximum capacity'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'education in 3rd world countries generally lowers the birth rate but I think we are WAY beyond that imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'then the industrial revolution happened'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'the world had a fraction of this population in the 18th century'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world could sustain more people, but it'd be a horrid life'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already a horrid life, here'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were down to just 13 families when the world nearly ended.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'living life well >> crunching them in'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the world can handle the people without a horrid life at all...that's not the earth's limitation, it's socioeconomic/political issue'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conclusion: let's get rid of 80% of the population'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'go back far enough, and you'll find we're all basically inbred.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but that's exactly my point Cyrep. People thought the world was overcrowded, and then we realized that it's capable of a lot more'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Conclusion: you don't have the right or knowledge to say that people should be killed, sterilized, etc. b/c you think babies are taking your resources'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't advocated any of that'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'So your saying i can take a fish tank with a rock in it, add 500 fish, and nothing changes'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK say I did '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, if you look at the physical limits, we're far from where it would be infeasible to have a good life for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'hmm swear i said a single fish in the tank :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conclusion: let's get rid of 80% of the population'   Did you mean "Resolution" ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'babies are taking my resources if those babies were conceived to get a bigger dole from the resources I pay for...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'resolutio might have been a better word, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'rofl what like living on the moon or some garbage were absolutely nowhere NEAR obtaining?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you mean "final solutions"?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, solution'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it can be achieved using education and a bit of common sense'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if everyone in the world went and lived in the State of Texas, the population density in Texas would by like Manhattan. And the entire rest of the world would be empty'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xyclon B'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i thought the final solution was kavorkian'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, not even close to true, tipro'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'do the math'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration control would also help - population of much of europe is stable/dropping'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Kevorkian's too busy getting a different type of needle stuck into him.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same would be true of USA if you didn't have a leaking border'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'yeah tipro if there wasnt another 5mil born every year adding to that already stable number'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'china's debating on lifting their 1-kid limitation'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you somehow convinced the latinos and negros to stop breeding like rabits'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what border?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'try an orange 1.0 Kav :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexico, hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'again, what border?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Abe China is also growing , both in size Tiwan/tibet etc and in economy too '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw a recent statistic that 52% of black children never get born due to abortions'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if govts would only quit messing around and implemented sound eocnomic policy... sigh.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how their population is -still- rising, do they ever put their pants on?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's not true Tigernuts. Perhaps you meant "50% of aborted babies are black"'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'im friends with several black people who are anything but the sterotype you suggest'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china should've lifted it long ago. We've been telling them for a decade or more that it's a terrible idea...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's meant as a complaint, cyrep then you don't understand what a stereotype is'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all Indian people call me up trying to get me to claim for missold payment protection insurance'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's quite amusing how china has built huge ghost cities with barely anyone living in them.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'that all black people fuck like rabbits? news flash, HUMANS fuck like rabbits'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not racist but.. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'has nothing to do with skin color'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it has to do with statistics'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with race'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am Pro MY race - white '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i know beckys and stacies and lauries that got pregnant before high school finished as much as i know lalandra and tanisha'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'when took a year of psychology, the books said there were significant differences in mating behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'between ethnic groups'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the stats show that certain races in the US are growing quicker than others, that's not racist, that's just stats'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '7 billion people in the world, 270k sq. miles in Texas. That comes to 26k people/sq mile of Texas. Population density of NY City is 27,500 people / sq mile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City You can find a better cite than Wikipedia if you want'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's anecdotal evidence'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much housing, such plentiful housing remaining vacant... yet people are crammed into pigeonholes in the major cities... ah well.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's different than statistical'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'attribute it to wealth, culture, whatever you like'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Just because it's true doesn't mean it isn't racist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i didnt call anyone a racist :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm racist '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its the debate channel you can be whatever in here from what ive seen over the years '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just ist'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the weird thing is, you're kind of right, Tinada.  Which makes it hard to deal with some issues'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i descriminate against everyone'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone's racist.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yay Avenue Q?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet few accept it Hans - I do '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Thats true Hans :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing is, poor people tend to have more kids. Wonder what the rate adjusted for socioeconomic status looks like.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'I try to not be if that means anything :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what i was thinking, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those who claim they aren't are the most hardcore racists of all, like conservatives and sexual fetishes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when you look at birth rates (and std's)  the largest contributing factor tends to be the education levels of females'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'acknowledging that everyone has racial bias, doesn't mean you have to discriminate'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that that for what you want'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wouldn't be surprised if the rate was fairly even across races'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poverty in the US isn't even across the races'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(after adjusting for socioeconomic factors, that is)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's racist, Sonshi.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there's good news, because of the way that the water and food supply has been poisoned for the last 50 years with hormones, the fertility rate in men is dropping'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ithought we said racism is no longer a tag because we are all racist - I know I am '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Less intelligent people tend to have (less education, less money, more children, insert pretty much anything you can think of here)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i dont truly believe everything in books and the news, were only getting the information they CARE for us to know :-p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hooray for all the people who complained about job-killing environmental regulations?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'racism is still a profitable means to get what you want.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'fortunately all ethnic groups are equally intelligent'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's OK that everyone and everything is being poisoned and the ecosystem is being completely subverted, provided you all go out and obsess about Carbon Dioxide'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'racial divides are promoted, as much as we say we fight it :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its called journalism and spin :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'so true Cyrep'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'SAT scores search by race ... all are = disproved ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's all part of the package... the people who fight against co2 regs and regs on other pollution are about the same'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its impossible to find that by race, because some people of ethnic backgrounds consider themselves white on census and other things like that'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of corporations and institutions fighting for CO2 taxes because it benefits them'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'when your not white, your of latin decent, you just live in america, makes you american not white'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you can ram one through, it is all but certain you can ram the other through'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'usful as those are not the norm - all you need is an average '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'thats why they dropped the census the last time they tried it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many can you name that also pollute significantly with other stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA was to stop all production of CO2 immediately, buy 2030 the global temperature would be 0.08 degrees cooler than it would have been'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'everyone lies :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Manipulative D
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'erm :D'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far cheaper to mitigate CO2 and use the money to deal with the consequence of climate change'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the worst pollutant known to man - nicotine -  still legal .. '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'id need to know what co2 is, sounds like an explosive but that could be too much MW4'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the corporations that support co2 regs are also mostly favourable to other environmental regs'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'co2 = carbon dioxide.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'oh durp'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people they need to go after are the hormone pushers, the GMO pushers'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'say again Hans - taking notes '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the crazy dicks that want to put lithium and statins in the water supply as well as chemical waste masquerading as tooth-protecting fluoride'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'notes are already taken, debate -h.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'the water is already poison'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm a pad n penicl girl :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'just got back from educating my dentist who was pushing that poison on me'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fluoride is tainting my precious bodily fluids!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi hands out tin foil hats.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'just because the nuke went off in japan doesnt mean it wasnt leaked into the ocean which evaporated into the air around everyone and rained righht back down'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'why put more shit in it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoride is banned in most of europe's water supplies'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they wearing tinfoil hats, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i didnt get a foil hat :-('
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we have pretty strict water standars... I use a filter here. Wonder how effective it really is.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i know i drink bottled water, im sure its absolutely no better, maybe worse could be testing random crap in different bottled water for all we know :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL I'm gonna wear a foil hat to work next shift ! great idea !'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'it just tastes better than the asswater from the sink'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your countys/cities pay millions of dollars to chemical companies to dispose of their hazardous waste for them'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'flouride is dental conspiracy to separate you from more of your money.  Everyone knows that, but what is less known is that there's another, more active conspiracy to get you to agree to more frequent dental work.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jolly benevolent of you'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I run it through a water filter before boiling. Seems to smell better after that'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're familiar with that, hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its gross im sure, i waited 10 years for a dental exam, she said brush more, i have a cavity that she wont even call a cavity. You dont need dental work every 5 years or whatever theyre saying'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'just brush ya damn teeth, and i smoke or have smoked'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoride can be helpful when applied topically'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'calcium fluoride, yes - sodium fluoride, no'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I seem to have to have more dental work done here than back home. Can't say it doesn't make me a little suspicious...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'milk and salt flouride :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ingested it is of no value to your teeth, and has been shown in a number of studies to damage the developing brains of kids'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'calcium fluoride is far more expensive than any dental office will pay, sodium fluoride is super cheap'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'so flouride toothpaste probably is effective? but drinking it in water = no'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they have no way of telling who goes to a govt dentist for a checkup every now and then. Keeps them honest'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i learn so many things in Aardwolf :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, cyrep'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'no such thing as fluoride, it has to bond with something else, calcium, sodium, others'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see, you go to a dentist and the first thing they tell you is "don't put metal things in your mouth".  When you go for a checkup, though, what's the first thing they do?  They scrape away your tooth enamel with metal files.  This causes more wear on your teeth, which combined with the food you consume ups the rate of acid wear.  Which leads to you spending more for more expensive desensitizing toothpaste and more frequent dental checkups.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'depends on how much fluoride is already in the water'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the whole floride deb is last century imo dental hygene is a personal issue - prozac in the water next?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'just legalize pot why bother drugging everyone with prozac'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Manipulative :D
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'prozac is already in the water.  We flush too many meds down the toilet already.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'you think itl be bad, did every single person in the world turn into an alcoholic cause alcohol is legal? No'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have found high traces of SSRI's in water, Hans, both here and in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but much higher levels of Oestrogen, is why they have fish going bisexual'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and probably why there is so much campness going around'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the drop in sperm rates'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'dont want children so thats no bother to me'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wanna make MDMA with an MOI uber E ! '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fluroide they put in water is Hydrofluorosilicic acid'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Wheeew im commin to your house Tzadkiel :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder why us politicians (the gop mostly) find it hard to understand that govt physicians don't have an incentive to prescribe near useless treatment, while private ones do... odd, given how much they talk about the free market.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'U gotta be white :P'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe they think physicians are super-moral beings, immune to incentives...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'they should make them take an oath'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they used to'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, what a great idea, everyone abides by oaths!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just liability magnets now '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no incentive?  Their workload is going to quintuple just from the insurance coverage.  It'll get a lot worse if we can't reverse this provider shortage bearing down on us.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overpaid undereducated drug pushers now'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'get rid of privatized garbage and it might do something'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd much rather get second opinions from a govt doctor, if a private one prescribes something expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't do that here, as far as I know...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come to the UK, and not get treated :-) but it'll be cheap!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, you'll get treated.  By then, though, it'll be too late because it went terminal.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'apparently french healthcare is great - they got something right perhaps ?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'oh like the people i know dying of cancer right now who arent being treated because they dont have the 93k+ itl cost?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'uk system is not bad... if your doctor wants you to get some expensive treatment, you can go ask a govt doctor if it helps... if you do need it, you can wait for the free one, or pay for the private option'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'France is burning.  I don't think they got it right.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its not that awesome here'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK system is hypocratic'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the west is burning -- same conclusion'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, where govt healthcare is cheap, it tends to bring down the cost of private options too (and the quality up), since they have to compete.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, they won't offer chiropractic treatment, but will offer homeopathy. They won't pay for expensive life saving cancer meds, but will give women breast enlargements'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'ok that is messed up Tig :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'you can get some free titties but not some free health to live another day?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soln Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as far as I know, the uk does pay for cancer meds'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the death-panelliness will eb getting worse because of the aging population and debt'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, only some'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'cosmetic surgery outside of being mangled in an accident should never be covered :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the better stuff is subject to postcode lotteries'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'usually when such systems do't pay for something, it's because it isn't effective'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'you dont NEED bigger tits, you WANT bigger tits, doesnt take priority over need imo'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the only reason, Sonshi, cost is an important factor that they lie about'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Awww I want bigger tits ! '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, yeah... but your system is underfunded'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'so theyll pay up to a certain point?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, cyrep'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ours is much more efficient'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'or only covere specific meds?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll either offer it, or they won't offer it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'NYC's going to go bankrupt in 2013, mostly from increased healthcare costs taking up more of their budget.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is corrupt to the core'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just not gonna have  something stuffed in me to do it '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has little to do with funding'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and since basically EVERYONE is going to be insured, that means higher premiums so that the not-sick can pay for the sick.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, obamacare is absurd, hopefully they'll shoot it down at the second time of asking'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's the best they can manage for now'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thank the gop, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we can't afford socialised healthcare, let's just fuck everyone over"'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Insurance 101 states that the more claims there are, the less money is left in the pot for everyone else and so you pay more for something you're generally not using.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'If that were true then the population thing i mentioned wouldnt have been shot down. Apparently you can add more to the pot and it wont effect anything :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the baby boomer gen and heathcare needs and that we have already got from them what we can... Zyclon B ? ... makes economic sense anyway - someone is pushing for this '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'im remembering something about beans or pennies in first grade that explained what insurance 101 does :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government are planning on interfering in house insurance here because the dumbarses allowed them to build housing estates on flood plains, then whinge like buggery when insurers refuse to insure them after being flooded out a few times'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'so wait, you knew your house would be damaged where you built it, you do it anyway, then want compensation when its damaged?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Its like ignoring the warning sign :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another instance of fucking retarded media and green liberals: "We need to spend more on flood defences! Global warming is making everyone get flooded!". No. you're getting flooded because you built houses on a flood plain (clue's in the name folks) you then filled in all the ditches and ponds, failed to maintain the drainage systems, and concreted over everything prevent water from returning to the table and instead collect in rivers'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might notice i detest fake green activism'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've got gov using an eminent domain twist to buy folk out in such places.  Instead of building malls and other commercial properties, they're redeveloping flood plains and other natural features.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'ooer'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you'd notice, cities tend to be built near rivers or coasts because it's easier to ship stuff'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you moved everything inland, the ongoing cost to the economy will be large.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'true, in general, but even with that the top 4 river systems in the world are running far below capacity.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rail'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also tend to build up significant defences there'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't tend to be in basins'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'asking people to build further inland instead of controlling for global warming is, as they say, penny-wise pound-foolish'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically they'd build docks on the river but keep the rest inland some'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually no, it's not, Sonshi, it's more cost effective to deal with the consequences'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That does depend on the overall costs and benefits of global warming, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nearer you put your industry to the port, the less you pay in fuel and other costs'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'im saying come inland because humans cant control nature and its going to do what it wants. We cant STOP nature, so move :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Cyrep.
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 is only -a- factor in climate change, not the driving one'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not surprising that a lot of that stuff is in a vulnerable area'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'unless you know Storm from the xmen'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Assuming the UN is correct, co2 drives temp up by 2c, we will have serious adaptation costs'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has already been, and will continue to be, changes'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'changes that are within our ability to control'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and also larger areas will become productive, (almost) all vegetation will grow better (more co2 -> more growth, also can grow in drier areas)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'We can NOT control nature'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no control of the sun'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we can control what we are doing to it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'methane is a much more potent contributor, but by volume co2 is the bigger issue (and they're worried about a 4c increase now...)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'For a small change (+2c) it appears that in the medium/long run this is beneficial'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'What we do as people has an effective if it happens for a million years or so. We are NOTHING to this planet :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their models for climate change have already been rewritten a few times, and continue to be so because they're bad models and they have little data'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand climate POORLY, you might have noticed this from their inability to predict weather'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'humans are arrogant to think we have that much effect on this planet. it was here far longer than we ever were, doing this same cycle over and over way before us'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2 degrees is potentially devastating... you need to take into account the fact that a lot of species are not adapted for such a rapid change. 2c in 2m years sure. 2c in 2k years, maybe. 2c in 100 years... good luck'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'obviously, if consensus models are inferior to random walk based models, the science has some way to go'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's changed that rapidly before'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'what makes you think because we come along, we, humans, not some gods or aliens, humans, are so important to the survival of the planet and universe :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, we've improved our forecasting ability greatly. Have you not noticed that hurricane forecasts, for instance, are getting more accurate?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'short term only'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'besides, co2 warming is physics rather than meteorology'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'doesnt matter how accurate we are in predicting them. Things will effect it over the next few years and well once again be caught with our pants around our ankles'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that's why physicists distance themselves from it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no one quite seems to have gotten the physics right yet, though'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too much unknown stuff, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'its not controllable and shouldnt be predictable :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i think the fact that we have been able to do it for so long is nothing more than luck '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can estimate short term first order effects for co2 without even going out of a lab...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame when it came to their models pitted against reality they fell down'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the physics for the absorbtion spectrum of co2 (and other common gases) is well known, and has been well known for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is far more complex than a lab'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the physics of black body radiation has been known for a long time as well'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'feedback and other effects are certainly more subtle, but you can estimate first order deviations from what it would have been just from established physics'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yellowstone erupting would sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not going to affect the first order difference between the two scenarios (with/without human emissions)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'Humans give themselves far too much credit'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's going to push both one way'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm waiting for the announcements on huge projects to greenify deserts, plant forest, and encourage roof (and other) gardens. Guess what, it won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at a satellite map and see how much we control, and tell us again that we give ourselves too much credit...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would happen if we had the right economic system in place, and if those are the best use of resources'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'ants on the moon will do about as much to effect it, as humans to earth'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. People follow the money, that's how markets work'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with economics, it's to do with what the elite want, and they want control'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greenification does not give them domination'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'well money is elite :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd have to put the right economic system in place... tax the right things, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'isnt that how they got to be "elite" they have all the money? :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'panic, carbon taxation, and acute legislation affecting the way people run their lives does'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precisely, cart and horse'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'or control it anyway'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'carbon taxation will lead to economic entities doing more to reduce emissions'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies, people, govts, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not if you're doing a cap and trade style.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll also lead to a degradation in living standards and an increase in poverty, but most of all, it will do NOTHING to reduce global CO2'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll be cheaper to buy more credits than to actually lower your footprint.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, so now we're questioning supply and demand?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an issue of supply and demand'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's cap and trade, who cares as long as the cap isn't exceeded? You can slowly lower it'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thel'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot about the "and trade" part, Sonshi.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want to talk about cap and trade, an interesting example is our COE system for traffic congestion'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not comparable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt doesn't care as long as no more than a certain number of certs are issued. So the car population is entirely within their control. Trading helps those limited certs to reach people who want them most.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the "cap" is the desired outcome. The "trade" is a way to maximise utility given that outcome'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a scheme that operates in isolation in a single city state, where the thing being controlled isn't ultimately a necessity because their exist alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no alternative to needing food, water, and energy'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people either pay the hiked prices or go hungry/freeze'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's why carbon taxation is better for now than cap and trade. Cap and trade requires international cooperation.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I mentioned before, the distributionary effects are easily controlled'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just give everyone 1k a year or something.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries are broke, there will be no distributionary effects'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon taxes could not raise enough to give everyone 1k a year'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, if it didn't, the impact wouldn't be that high. If the impact is low, then give 100 instead. It's just details'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaking as someone whose gas bill went up 30% this year, i'd say that's overly hopeful thinking'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'okay, let's advance the discussion to the point that no more trading is available.  You, as an entity now in violation of the caps, must either pay a penalty for current operation or pay to raise efficiency.  What happens?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you cough up, or you collapse'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, capping and banning trading is a terrible idea'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'trading allows more productive industries to get the piece of the quota that they need, from areas that aren't as productive'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still better to just leave it alone and regulate the emissions of industry and power generation'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the main reason why you bill seems to have "increased" 30% is largely because the pound has been falling like a rock. That and commodity prices aren't helping either. Don't put all the blame on taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more efficient economically to tax or cap and trade - you get more reduction per cost to the economy'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the fault of retarded energy policy, we are an resource rich island, we should be energy independant'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'falling in comparison to what?  The US dollar?  energy costs are going up here, too.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not by that rate...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GBP vs most currencies is stable and has been all year'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as you might know, high asian demand means that commodity prices aren't favourable'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many companies negotiate long term contracts'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we should be energy independant'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'takes time for cost increases, etc. to filter through sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gvmt could have had it solved years ago'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'energy independence would either require raising prices of energy, or lowering costs/regulation, to create enough incentive to exploit resources.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'require government investing directly'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not exactly a panacea...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's a cost too'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, but also creates jobs'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creates competition'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'either the govt will be running the company, or you're subsidising private companies'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keep it nationalised'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless your govt is well run, better to leave it to private industry and regulate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not a natural monopoly like healthcare or roads, after all'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better to have it in public ownership at least initially, maybe selling off or contracting out later'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else it won't get built'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it used to be a natural monopoly, it still could be'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will likely end up being a subsidy to some private investor, if it's spun off... they get cheap infrastructure and plant.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be no worse than it is now'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it'll be insulated from price rises abroad'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it isn't getting built, it's because energy prices aren't high enough. It's likely to be much cheaper to get it from some dumb country willing to pollute itself'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'm not dead, i intend to be fully energy and water self sufficient, so the fake green lobby and government can go screw themselves'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you and your little island?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me and me only'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good luck with that...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't hard'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, elaborate.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in a lot of places here, there's a limit on rain barrels, and how you use the water.  '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is there a reason they limit rain barrels?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over in Nazi Germany, Razkin? or Oregon?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mosquitoes?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Illinois'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, fake green liberals Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'same thing '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'diseases?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's State trying to claim ownership of rainwater'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think they're outlawed back home too...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are there mosquitoes over there?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'west nile, deng, and the "don't be a dumbass and not boil the water first" types of diseases.  I suppose there might also be a bit of concern about kids big enough to climb in accidentally drowning themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, heard it all now'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are always a lot of people who want the freedom to do stuff that endanger their neighbours though. sigh...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a water butt in your back yard endangers your neighbours? wtf were they doing in your back yard?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, it's my property, why can't I put nitroglycerin and petrol in my garage and go smoke there?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can if you wish'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'but we can make ponds and lakes in back yards?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, barrels tend to accumulate stagnant water. Things like that are banned in many places'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'trampolines and swimming pools, Tiger...trampolines and swimming pools.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the water's running it's fine, usually'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bordering on absurd'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even if you put signs and otherwise make reasonable efforts to keep folk off your stuff, if they ignore the warnings and get hurt using your trampoline or swimming in your pool/lake/pond, they and their family can sue the pants off you.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you want to live in a place where you don't have to care about the safety of your community, there are plenty of such places. I'm afraid there's no internet access though...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shoot them, hans'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem solved'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they break in??'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if they break in'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the suing'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'are we talkin like a milk jug or like 100s of barrels '
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about the only time you win is if they had to break a window or snap off a lock to get in.  It's not enough if they can just climb over a locked fence.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf is this where people can just wander into your back yard without permission?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i had neighbors collect rain water all the time, i never felt concerned for my health'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anything that accumulates stagnant water is bad, in a mosquito prone area'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Midwest.  We're neighborly like that.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had some stranger wandering around my back yard i'd beat him to death with a cricket bat'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'all ponds and lakes, so start gettin rid of em :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at the least threaten to'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even a jug or a pot, if it keeps water in it too long'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'well anything can potentially be bad, lets ban everything'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the sort of retarded rule that has screwed up the frog population and drainage, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the larger the vessel, the better, since the water is less likely to be stagnant'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'everything can be used in the wrong manner or inappropriately, doesnt mean you ban it all :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you can put fish in it too'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately here it's not illegal'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'yeah people down the block have a pond WITH fish it in <gasp>'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus fucking h christ on a bicycle, cyrep, CALL THE COPS!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'i know!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not illegal here, you're just liable.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Thats more a national guard kind of issue, Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, when the ill effects are a feature rather than a bug, and they outweigh the good...'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'dang, but i already dialed'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi might fall into it and drown to death and then catch typhoid from the stagnated water!'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got to DO something'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'been here for 24 years so if it was going to effect me in some way, it would have'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'grew up fine and healthy'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fish help keep the water safe from mosquitoes... generally a good idea to put a few in a large vessel of water'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know why, Cyrep?'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'so did my friends, i used to run through sewers, im fine :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because it's a load of bollocks'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(not drinking water that is, stagnant water)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'rode my bike through them :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I knew a guy who grew up near a lake. 30 years later? Bam. Herpes.'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bedtime :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'uh no pond water that was stagnant and connected to sewer drain pipes :p'
T3/r7/2012-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'rofl daloran'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Wow, impressive! A whole day without violent crime. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20536201'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria turns off internet'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's not surprising'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama penning secret executive order to turn control of internet in the US over to the UN'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the UK parliament contemplates new laws to regulate the press'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'them there's your headlines :-)'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the uk has lost most of it's millionaires'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I've heard'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you want to take pleasure in George HW Bush being in hospital'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought it was bob dole in the hospital'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens every time they put taxes up'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Send the alternative press to CIA black sites if they don't write what they ought to write! Can't have people all confused and believing in weird conspiracy theories.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tinada, there was a short TV series on british tv, see if you can find/download it. It's called "The revolution will be televised"'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, didn't see Bush was in the hospital, course I've been sick today, so I haven't really done anything'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sounds interesting'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the sketches is "Dale Maily", a reporter whose strap line is "telling people what to think"'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part sketch show, part real-world activism and wind-ups, it's well worth a look'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Palestine is a state?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'man, i spend one day not paying attention to the news and all sorts of stuff happens'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see the news that the Head of the TSA claims that he and his organisation isn't accountable to Congress and refused to attend a congressional hearing?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should be arresting his arse'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'didn't he say that a couple days ago?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That was glorified by the media'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's glorified by the media, but the long and short of it is if parliament demands your attendance, you attend'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it holds the same wait in law as a demands to appear in court'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weight*'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The problem was actually that he was saying that the TSA is accountable to the House of Reps, not Congress.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true though, senate doesn't fund them'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The problem is that nobody was "ordered" to appear.  They were asked, and he said no thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congressional hearings are analogous to parliamentary hearings in the UK. Yes, you are right in that they 'ask''
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nonsense or not, thats what happned.  NOt saying its the right thing or the smart thing.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if they are refused, they can 'insist''
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'He could have been ordered.  Then he would have been obligated.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they insist and you refuse, you can be prosecuted'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have any sense at all, they'll order him'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Palestine probably ought to be a state'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'palestine ought to be a state that includes all of israel in the pre-1945 borders'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel was born out of zionist terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is slightly more complicated :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have a blindspot when it comes to history'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But as things are today, I don't see very good reasons not to let Palestinians have their own state.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though Egypt and Jordan have a lot to answer for when it comes to the suffering of the Palestinian people'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they still spoofing images of civilians dramatically suffering?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, same tactic as the syrian free army have been using'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while at the same time blowing up their own mosques and blaming it on Assad'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any important news i've missed?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just China ramping up to release an 8-core processor using a new configuration not spawned by Intel or AMD.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll probably break'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i trust chinese tech about as far as i can throw it'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'tiger.. some of it is pretty light'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''light'?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as opposed to heavy?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear the story of a UK foster family having 3 foster children removed from their care by a leftist local council social services because the family were members of the United Kingdom Independence Party'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'wanna know a couple of my city's urban legends?;)'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'There's the Philly Stabber & There's the E&J strangler..'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I laughed when I first heard about them but I stay alert'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'the Philly stabber smokes a phillies blunt they say.. & goes to sleep or looks like they sleep near ya.. Then when you least suspect it.. They stab the hell outta ya!'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I sometimes have heard they wait till YOU sleep.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'the E&J strangler well it's obvious.. They drink the alcoholic beverage & then choke the shit outta ya lol'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Let's wish each other the best of luck!'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'So far We've had helicopter's soaring around.. Soo uh seriously. Be careful'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'this another reason I have no problem gettin drunk or high by myself..'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'so if ya buy a weapon get the permits & Alert cops..'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'or ummm don't alert them'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'sometimes crazy killers get good paying jobs too;)'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're gonna get drunk or high by yourself, make sure your lifealert bracelet works.  You're gonna fall at some point, and you might not be able to get up.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have 2000qp and the next three things on your qp wishlist are sanc aura, gloves of dexterity, or aard bp.  Which would you choose and why?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Sanc aura. Because non dispellable sanc'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sanc aura. It's always on.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Also, level 1, you'll be able to use it through the whole mort, every mort... the rest.. well you'll want to replace with better gear or higher level equivlents'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as a constant level 1, breastplate...defense, stats and hp/mana/moves which make a nice difference at level 1'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I suppose I assumed he'd be leveling at some point'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we all level, eventually.  Can't very well do much of anything here if you don't.'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we do?'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '54k hours on daeric since v1 so far...'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Daeric is the only one'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no he's not'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the most famous'
T3/r7/2012-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I tried qsitting at lvl 1 for a while... it got terribly boring and I ended up grinding after a couple days.'
T3/r7/2012-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'im rdy when you are abandon :)'
T3/r7/2012-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) JaiMa: 'yo'
T3/r7/2012-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) JaiMa: 'either the shizzle is the dizzle, or my nizzle is going to sizzle.  Which is it!!'
T3/r7/2012-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'argle bargle!'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'on a side note ask about a goal and no one helps lol give u weird ass tips but no real info ... ask about hero areas and exploring at 200 ... an receive answers to "Save you time" where were u when we were stuck on Goals??? oh those were supposed to be fun lol irony'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many people remember the goal solutions anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'how many other people document them ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and how many of those will bother to open up their text files and search for a random person they don't know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i remember when asked if given task detail'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'if i did it that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'not many, but the ones who do are consistant, and loud'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and think a lot or themselves and have fragile egos'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'lore is ignored when exploring and questing but goals ... nah man thats what this game is all about ... its like DnD -.-'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'there was implied sarcasm there'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes, the older player cliques need a way to make themselves feel better and more important than others, so in a game where anyone can simply grind to the top... goals become important'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'anyone can do goals too'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i used to care alot about being the best or getting to the top ... but after 15 years of online gaming, i dont care lol i play i have fun good , if i dont i stop'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and its all EASY there isnt a "skill" its not skill to add hurdles its just time consuming so thats why u enjoy yourself along the way'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'goss noth up'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Stage" deli closes in nyc - the rent was too damned high'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett heckled by liberal greenish activists'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, normal conception'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looked like she was in her 40s'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Obama wants stimulus spending to offset dragon on economy from tax increases"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't seem to understand what his stimulus is doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the man is fiscally incontintent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'maybe you should write him a stern letter explaining what his team of economists failures are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can only read from teleprompters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suppose i could write it in 144pt font'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'also he has a hand up his back'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we know that, leaders in my country are much the same, they're just enslaving the people slower'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here LOVE working for the company store....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and the dramatic reveal: all counrties and all leaders are like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these days it does appear like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't justification to accept it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i know, why don't you stage a grass roots sit-in at wall st or outside an apple store'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wall St is a bit far away being in another country and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '<insert local stock exchage>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tigernuts, where do you live?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'those poor oppressed scots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech is largely gone here, you can't protest without police permission'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people get victimised for political beliefs that are not mainstream'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'show some balls then, freedom is not 'free''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be doing my bit, no need to worry about that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you sound like a possible terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well according to US documents, I am'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'did you read a subverive website ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'subversive*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that the definition of subversive could mean that any website that doesn't toe the line of the government, then yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has pretty much everyone at some point in time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(unless they don't read)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'SAS are en route'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll put the kettle on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'good lad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see what the big issue is with the bush tax cut expiration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhhhh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont follow politics then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you american'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's piffling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'it's taxes... people hate tax changes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to the scale of the problem, it's trivial'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am quite versed in politics... ask me what you want to know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's so everyone feels fair'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i'm literally giggling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'what america needs is higher taxes on capital gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin you're commenting in a realm you dont seem to grasp, not being a dick, but theres much more to it than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh noes $55 billion in defence cuts?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no new carrier for christmas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'america could benefit from defense cuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america could halve it's defence spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but what  the fiscal cliff is a debate on whether or not to let the Bush tax cuts expire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'but then they couldnt have a military base in every country keeping them in line'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''defence spending' is such a meaningless term, it should be "blowing up mostly innocent brown people" spending '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which is a tax that will bump middle class americans tax brackets by about 2200 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and will let tax cuts on wealth americans expire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax system still isn't as complicated as ours'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am well versed in American politics.  It's my favorite subject, as I am american.  '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger.. where are you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well defense is a valid term, the US military is defending the US econmic interests, and therefore thier position as top dog economiclly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here i'm calling for, and the party I'm loosely affiliated to now, are calling for a grand simplification of taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in any business, abandon, if you spend more than you make, it's bad business, so there is no valid claim for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we all know American foreign escapades have NOT been helping domestic defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'how about just killing income tax ... like a 1% increase in capital gains tax would cover that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, if all the clampdowns on freedoms and liberty due to terrorism are to be believed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only go by UK numbers, but here that wouldn't cover it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some here talk about abolished capital gains altogether, others such as myself believe in equalising capital gains with income tax and removing ALL of the deductables and allowances for both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i would like to acctually see the number on that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'capital gains taxes arent the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'bc capital gains are already taxed twice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'entitlement reform is necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why some want them abolished'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax reform and spending reform are both necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flip sides of the same coin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'anyone here have a degree in economics ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but socialism isnt the answer either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if they have, they need shooting, Abandon)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare accounted for 23% of UK spending in 2011, healthcare 24%, welfare+protection 15%'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i acctually enjoyed my one semester of economics at uni'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2008, capital gains tax brought in 5.0bn gbp compared to income tax 155.0bn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in the grand scheme of things, it's trivial'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a little out of date, but gives you an idea of the sheer number of different things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_taxes.svg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that doesn't show how ridiculously complicated some of them are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '5B ? that seems like a tiny percentage of all CG'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so increase it, them billionares aint gunna suffer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't about fleecing people, this is about ensuring the government does the minimum necessary, that everything it does is beneficial to all, and that everyone pays their fair share'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not going to even pretend to know much about the U.K., but from what I've heard, there's  been a fairly significant decrease in muilionaires in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, i'm no more against fleecing the rich than i am screwing the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, can't type tonight, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'millionaires don't pay tax, so it's largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'because income tax is a burden on the working classes, and an increase in capital gain just means some wealty fucker will only be able to buy 3 ferrari's instead of 4'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can thank globalisation for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'normally I tend to agree with you more than  not, but I refuse to believe that in no way are illionaires getting taxed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're getting taxed, but they're not paying the tax rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and increasing the tax rate doesn't solve it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, well, Ok, that I agree with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at the example of Google and Starbucks in the UK recently, there are plenty of news stories about it. Also look at Jimmy Carr'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it's still a loss in tax revenue if they're taking their money out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're right, but it's not something you can fix while being in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taxes dont make govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can break it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although to me, if your losing millionaires, that to me says that you're making your economy less than business friendly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'part of the problem is the politicans are in the wealthy class.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the article you're referring to refers to tax rises by the previous (left centre pretend-socialist) government that have since been partially recinded'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, they're part of the ruling elite who will make rules to ensure that they continue to gain wealth and power, and do only enough to prevent revolt by everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'any govt thats able to give it's people whatever they want, is strong enough to take it way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Jefferson... So true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under my suggestions, on that pie chart on that link you'd look to reduce the number of slices, essentially having an income tax, VAT, a couple of 'duties', a locally-administered income tax component, and that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't interested in founding fathers, quelz, they're interested in their latest gizmo's and whatever the government tells them or gives them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they say "put your arm in this blender, it's for the earth" they'll do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the problem with allowing your government to tax something is that they usually won't release the ability to tax it later'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you'd be surprised what people are actually interested in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why governments will get worse and worse until revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution usually takes the mantle of a party with a radical approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolution is actually very bad for government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if the tyranny has got sufficiently bad, you get uprisings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, as Egypt is finding out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it puts forth the idea that government is decided by those who have the most force'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jefferson said that an armed revolt was necessary every 20 years in order to maintain a govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're overdue, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well all I can say is that in countries where armed revolt is actually the way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately most people have been put to sleep by the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont debate American politics with me, i know about them then anyone on this game!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they turn into constant war'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is bad government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not arguing, just stating :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia thats bc they are fledgling nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So is the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, they don't know where good government is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'democracies arent formed, they are made '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point of government is stability'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since politics has a lot of ideology and opinion in it, you can't claim to 'know' and therefore be right....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when you remove a tyrant and replace it witha  tyrant, history repeats itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes you can'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'youre right tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you measure it by peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but i love politics, and love people... my aim is for the extension of the existance of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not my own gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then you should be into science, not politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, anything past stability is up to the individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, depends on how you want to implement that, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government's job is to maintain peace and stability'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'political science ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont spread my opinion, i spread the ideas of what will work (although that statement is opionated in itself lol)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and since we're quoting/paraphrasing people, I think it was Milton Friedman who use to make comment about how he was amazed that america has lasted as long as it has without losing all semblence to democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that means, we cannot have war going on around here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ranrr its not about science sir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and anything in a positive direction, is not the job of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you think it is, then you are mistaken'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is dead in US and in the UK, Razkin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you see is a parody of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hold on! lets focus this debate, bc im enjoying it, be random statements on governing arent going to help the conversation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd say more dying than dead, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'democracy can't work on a large scale in any case'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but random.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so what im saying is, if we're debating american politics, lets stick with american politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'demorcacy and free market capatalism are at ods imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the US has (at least) is about as good as democracy can get for a nation of well over half a billion people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, i see you're new here. don't bother arguing with tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Extension and improvement of human life is done by science, not politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because there are so many backgrounds here that we have to focus on one aspect of this without it continuing to be an endless debate about how we're unhappy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government's job is to provide stability and peace so that science and spirituality can have somewhere to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was kind of hoping he would argue with Tiger, since I haven't seen Yuna lately, or at least not when I'm on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sorry, I do believe that there are two sides to living'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'govt job is to maintain peace and facilitate commerce'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you threaten stability, the government has to step in, if they are good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure i agree with that, cambodia, your system WOULD be the best had you not been getting some fed-heavy travel going on the last 10-20 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree with you C, except if you are going to include spirituality, you need to include a lot more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, if you want to know what govt should do, people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you don't find out if they're good until they step out when they should'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your govt should provide safety, health, and education, and thats it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK, Ranrr, let me offer a definition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are two sides to execution, or work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one is the details of the real world, the science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anything beyond those basic necessities, inhibits its countries progression'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other side is the mind and spirit of the person doing the work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed, Q.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both sides must be in focus for work to get done'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'govt providing health and education is debatable ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you must not only know what to do, but you must be the person capable of doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think they should, but on the state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'policing ? municipal works ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a nutshell, that is the dividing line'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would not call that spirituality, but ok, C.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, that's more of an America thing, but I still think those should be out of the federal level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wait fellas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Quelz, I find it surprising how often that mantra is recited -- largely without evidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'truly though, that is what spirituality encompasses'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ahem !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Razkin has the nub of it, your government, and democracy as a whole works best when on a LOCAL level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what are the only things a person needs to succceed, outside of their own abilities'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'safety, health, and education'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger the size of your monolithic democracy, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'the govt does things that a benifical to the community that business wont step up to do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the first level of Maslow's pyramid of needs .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're people are safe, healthy, and smart there isnt a need for anything else because they'll be smart enough to do it on their own'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know, like, to be a champion boxer, you must learn the discipline of boxing, the ways to move, the feints, the ways to punch, how to actually box'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, unfortunately, people also don't take much interest in their local government, and I'm sometimes guilty of that myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which we can compare to a corporiate democracy which is not representative regardless of what how big it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you must have the heart of a champion'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is the first part'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't consider the mind and its workings to be outside of science. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the heart of a champion is, that is spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not, in a way, but the methods of actually working with the mind do not follow what we call logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'arent we all guilty razkin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia, im sorry but youre offering suggestions that just literally will not work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said logic is the answer to everything? We are not vulcans.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fairy tales are not the realm of govt, we all know from history what happens when the state and religon are mixed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I don't know if I'd say that, but I'd say that most likely we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you are much closer than I thought, which is bad for me :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are so not vulcans that TV keeps 95% of the population quiet .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but either way, I dont' like this push to give the federal government more and more control'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the first ammendment that was supposed to keep religion and the state appart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'slow down fellas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, the other side of the brain does have methods and ways, they just aren't analytically structured'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets bring order to this debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is our focus'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this'll be interesting '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'focus is relative on this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope laughs out loud at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia snickers with Abandonhope about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mind what your focus is, i was starting from tax running into aims and type of government. I was kinda hoping this would stay out of religion....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EXACTLY Tzadkiel, but since people take a very diplomatic approach on this MUD, it is best to bring order to this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and that is why it flounders and becomes  a pissing contest all the time imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I spend half my time scrolling back to make sure I knwo what arguments are going on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I disagree, C, it's just that we don't understand everything about everything. The brain is just a complex machine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'truly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nobody has ever called me diplomatic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok our debate is on govts and their approach to their governence on its people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm diplomatic :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying, there are methods to working with the brain, and they don't follow analytical principles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least, with part of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you are Tzadkiel '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what you mean, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tax is a universal govt concept, tax has been around since govt has existed, so debating tax is a moot point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope snickers with Tzadkiel about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, debating how you tax isn't moot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Give an example.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is why I made the comment at the start about fairness'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK I will try to cough one up :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we wanna do a 3 vs. 3 on a topic ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im sorry cambodia.... but you're arguing things that arent practical to the idea of governence... you want everyone to run on their own thought process and screw a govt... you're not offering anything here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people want to feel like they're being taxed fairly, even if it's silly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have sides, tzad, that's silly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right now quelz, I am responding to Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the fact that our government allows this arena means that it does not completely suck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is a classic deb format '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, ok, intuition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, which is why should be avoided, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is like a database with infinite entries, and each entry hooks to every other entry in infinite ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i can concur with that cambodia... first off... lets state our countries of origin, so we can at least know where people are coming from on this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy ? I'll drop the "Tiggy if you give me a Caps T ? :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'baseball players who use lucky charms to play better'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a talisman, a basic magical concept'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm Oz '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Nothing strange about that, and I don't see why it cannot be analyzed logically. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because it does not operate in an analytical way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is not loyal to it's method of operation to put it into an analytical framework'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it does, it's just that you don't see it. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, here is the thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm going to sit out until I see something I can lend some wisdom to, Tz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you really examine how you think, you find that the analytical proof comes after the intuition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you analyze your hunch, and find later that it makes analytical sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you didn't come up with it analytically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ty mate - Kabbalah trained - messes with my numbers :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so to say that you did is dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes you did.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you just saw it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'analytically proving a gut feeling is a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The brain works on multiple levels, you are not aware of all processes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK someone state a basic premise and we'll start there ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all have lost the idea of our debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'saying that your gut feeling came about from an analytical perspective is a lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I agree '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'order! lets pick a topic of debate and go with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have any proof for your statement, or are you just guessing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if it is analytical, it doesn't work that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'loving that gavel action !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets allow people to pick topics, and then further elaborate upon them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how can there be proof?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone STFU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi Rann n Tiggy - !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't bother, quelz. that's how we roll here. unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might struggle to direct this, Quelz, just start over and ignore those two :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'farce '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Tigernuts... you seemed to have kicked this off... what's the direction of the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science only sees what it considers to be scientific'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'duh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can take it where you like, Quelz, i'll follow :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'today has been relatively sane. you haven't met dosset or chemosh yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, here is honesty, I am a detective, I have a gut feeling, a hunch that so and so did a crime, so I analyze and investigate my hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it turns out to be right, and they say, how did you do it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or me pissed :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say, it was a hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't say, I analyzed the crime scene, because I did not, I had a hunch, and then analyzed my hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The working of the brain is a huge scientific branch. Try reading some books on the topic, and you might understand a bit more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm done.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty for the contribution Ran!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you are correct Cambodia -- how we come up with a hypothesis is a bit unclear'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Crick came up with the structure of DNA on an acid trip'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he then later tested his acid trip hypothesis, like a good scientist, and it turned out to be true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but he didn't come up with it logically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How can you know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not even that his intuition was not logical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what you people are debating isnt a debate any longer and it has become philosphical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but that treating it as something logical is not how you make it work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is more my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now if y'all would like to bring the idea of debate back to the debate channel then lets do that, otherwise go discuss it elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'philoshphical debates are valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well...that's what he said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the uncontiuos works on subtle clues - body lang etc not perhaps in the contious mind but cretainly informing the brain on some level - can be studied with NLP neuro luinguistic programming imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thus science ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are using your brain for loads of things you are not aware of. Nothing spiritual about that, and definitely not outside of science.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all arent debating, it's become an argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah true Q '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the only thing you can study with Neurolinguistic Programming is how to use smoke, mirrors and advertising to extract money from gullable people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, that is true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's nothing wrong with the word spiritual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'shush quelz, just because this isnt a moderated debate doen't mean it's without value... it just means your OCD suffers  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm just saying, if you imagine that you are God spitting up and chewing out a guy, and it helps you box better, then being a good boxer is going with that, no matter how illogical it may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont have ocd, but you 2 arent arguing a particular point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'except, Cambodia, where is it used as a good excuse to ignore looking at evidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you 2 are arguing an idea within an individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'control freak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'burn ! but Q has a point '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a bit unclear what it means. Some people use it as an excuse to sneak in religion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK, I will admit that the hippie types who hate science make spirituality look really bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thoughts that reside in each individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'arguing these points gets you nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the way I use it (which is really all I can speak for), is a way to harness the parts of you that are not logical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, if you cant beat them join them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but ignoring logic is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'did anyone know they just found the higgs boson, that they just found a black hole billions of times larger than the sun?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, enjoying a really good pee after 5 pints of beer is spiritual? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah well there is mathematical logic.... and then there is the logic that means you agree with me or you are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw that, the two are not linked however'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'quelz it is in the center of our galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people really want to debate spirituality and logic, get to the nits and grits rather than pussy footing around it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'seems like a pretty broad definition of spiritual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no they are not linked, just notes in science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey that is how I see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spiritual is the bastard child of which ever religion that gets hold of it imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if believing in God gives you the strength to be a good soldier, or to save lives as a good fireman, you acknowledge that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no person can personally grasp the size of our universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IT IS IMPOSSIBLE'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if it isn't logical, you acknowledge that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'NO ONE IS WRONG'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'there is a big black hole in the centre of our galaxy, but the new recently discovered very large black hole is in ANOTHER galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but still...there it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't confuse it with science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how do you mean "grasp" -- I mean, I can describe, manipulate and generally operate with the concept of the size of our universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought they already did ? Scientology :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope snickers with Tzadkiel about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you think humans, as intelligent, and as free-thinking as we are, are gonna die when our bodies cease to exist, is the most ridiculous statememnt ive ever heard.  There are so many things that we understand beyond our own understanding.... how could we not exist beyond our own external bodies?  To heck with Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Muslim.... We're all right, we're all trying to reach the same end game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'free thinking ?  lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no here is what they mean by a soul, (how I see it) of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given that I'm insane I have seen things that trancend phyisics - Thats in the realm of spiritual - or just delusional '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we have a presence in this game, but who we really are extends past this place'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you choose to believe you will not cease to exist when you die because it comforts you... nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Cambodia, are you arguing that "intelligent" implies "immortal"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the concept of a soul says, that our body is the same way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'logic arguments have never proved anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'an instrument, part of us, but who we are really is who is operating it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as above so below is an alchemical maxim .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'does anyone want to die?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is like a cluster of ideas and emotion that defies space and time categorization'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people that commit suicide do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've already died and it was pretty easy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nothing to worry about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, the "really are" argument -- a pretty bad argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i am made of stars'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dump Moby Abandon :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like saying, where does information exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the platonic realm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, but at the same token... how can we be here strictly for scientific reasons... it defies everything.. Nothing doesnt happen out of nothing.  2 nothings dont colide from nothing to form another nothing.  Science and Spirituality are one in the same, there are just 2 different ways of reaching the same end game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'something like that is where the soul exists'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'moby is good, but what i said is literally true  :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Quelz person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'science and spirituality aren't the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'information exists like anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I know but no comic value in that :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'first off we're talking in the debate channel, so why dont why start posting more than sentence fragments and short phrases...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you can measure it, investigate it, even weight if you know how'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in order to conciously debate someone you need to understand more than a sentence at a time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tru'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, where does mathematics exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'we are not here for scientific reasons.... science does not create us, or anything, science is man's pursuit of knowlege, nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fact that all of you are willing to argue sentence for sentence shows that you earn nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do we propose a "real deb" chann ? is not as silly as my cooking chann idea '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Does anyone cherish life for what it is? A gift? Not a biblical one... Not a gift from science. It's merely a gift.  Pursue all knowledge when it comes to understanding your own mortality, because in the end, only you are in control of it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if there were moderators it would be way less fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your argument, at least the way that most people take it, is that things don't happen 'just because', so there must be a higher cause.  The problem with that argument is it either ends up being reduced to faith or completely defeated by continuing the same logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't value life because they either allow themselves to be enslaved, or like to be the slave-owner'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you got it quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'life is not a gift, you are here. thats it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not going anywhere fast though imo ? I get snippets but as an over all educational / paradigm shift tool this is not it imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now if I wrote down in a book that life was a gift, would that mean that the book said it was, or that it was and that I wrote it down?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tigernuts that's your opinion... not everyone has the same logic... the beautiful thing about being human'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have the minds here (I am not one) but can we maximise return from the time invested ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with that Quelz, is that I am not allowed to have my ideology when the others, through their ideology, impose it on me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'the only meaning in life is meaning you choose to give to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why lack of freedom perpetuates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right abandonhope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'go forth and use the time you have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the question is, what is the best meaning you could give to life?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'evolution imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having an opinion means you offer the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now that question is in the realm of spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"have a good time, all the time"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I consider a science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a branch at least, like biology or physics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'headonism was debunked years ago - many years ago .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's called cognitive science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I am sure that it obeys your definition of Science at least Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'see the problem with evolution is, nobody has a time machine, thats also the problem with religion  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cognitive science is onto it for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has a time machine, it's called living'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cognitive science and yoga start to intersect at a certain point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Score Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well, a backwards one, lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'this was about american money originally and now it's a spiritual convo, you people are straying from the meaning because there are too many points being thrown around... If you want to change minds there has to be an order to debate and the sharing of ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and you don't need a time machine to find out what happened in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'imposing your will and thought process on others does nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, the methods that cognitive psychology use have much more enriched implementations in certain spiritual traditions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Quelz I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'welcome to the debate channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too much gets swept under the carpet here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tzadkiel... lets start our own channel within a channel... where are you from?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'imposing your will does something for people who choose to give meaning to power and domination'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well it's not working imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but those people die, and we secretly rejoice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'to heck with these people... lets ask each other questions and learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they don't last'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok but pet hate - no caps T for name'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'where are you from and are you liberal or conservative'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am from Australia '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'brb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you can't sesibly ignore those people, they run the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'why is tzads text upside down ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does he know I'm about 45 min from not being sober ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'land downunder :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i have choosen to give mean to alcohol this evening'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'meaning*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I always enjoy beer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers ! whatcha drinking - vodka n homemade lemonade here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shots n chaser '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'crap my cat dropped a huge huntsman at my feet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tzad back...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right now, steel reserve, for the drunk on a budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people know that debate means that you're willing to have your mind changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when your mind becomes concrete, thats when youve screwed yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in detail, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you do know, quelz, that debate channel does not follow anyone's rules?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wb - Quelz please take my hint though ? Tz Tzad or Tzadkiel ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's messy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz say something world changing for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we all basically just say whatever the hell we want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ill refer to you as taz lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you want to hear something life changing abandonhope?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ewww bad numbers mate - Tz is ur shortest option '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can live with T '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jesus tzad... deal with it ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'abandon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here's one:  when we finally invent flash memory with the speed of RAM, then our computers will be made entirely of RAM'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'please shock me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is the T silent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the Internet will become one huge computer that we all access'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'life is totally in hands of the user, we are a simulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you make your simulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the letter Tzaddki in hebrew is not silent '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wake up, Tz, the matrix has you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz: quoting myself: the only meaning in life is meaning you choose to give to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are your own god who has the power to change everything around you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'neat, I just learned something  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all our own Gods, hanging out in Heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shooting the shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats the greatest thing about life... IT'S YOURS!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'into ritual magick Q? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it, Q?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you take it where you want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so i'm completely unshocked'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anything within human capabilities is obtainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'did that make you want to abandon hope, Abandonhope?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nah... i have way too much hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well what the heck do you expect? this debate... a place where intelligent people debate ideas and concepts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of my paintings is a string puppet holding the strings and looking shocked :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if people are going to turn this into a channel about imposing your will upon others, then it is pointless to even talk here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what government is to life, Q, so are you asking what the point is of living?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'who else votes quelz should be quiet ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, abandon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate is not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'that was an attempt at humor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'who else votes that you know nothing of the governence that is upon you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently i know more about my governance than the government does'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'humor isn't allowed on debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'this is serious business'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we sub group friend chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'neither is satire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'oh shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'irony is frowned upon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or coopt rp or quote chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do we have to watch language on this chan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can say whatever the fuck you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck no '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if irony and cynicism are banned i'm screwed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm only allowed on curse channs :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is ignorance frowned upon? because you people are doing a good job of being fucktards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'amen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope pats Quelz on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz is the only one making any sort of attempt at actually being civil'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if ignorance was not tolerated here, there wouldn't be hardly anyone around'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i tend to label my sarcasm because people seem to have difficulty spotting it and take it literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm being civil, if not slightly passive agressive'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are doing a great job of pissing me off , simple request ... T '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am new, but i like discussion and debate, and would like very much to be a force on this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am...amenable...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but we have to all understand that there is order to debate, and turns and that if we're going to debate like adults'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm Dagnir's biggest fan :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that won't happen but it is a nice thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz there is a good quote going around i will paraphrase for you: intelligence is people who agree with us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have to wait our turns, and actually create intelligible answers to the debate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so lets do it somewhere else - I see real potential in structured deb '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir pats Quelz on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, 1) you won't be enforcing that and 2) no one will be enforcing that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '3) dosset'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sometimes this channel is very orderly, sometimes it's like tonight'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'get an irc channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '... cambodia is the only one creating waves on purpose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's noon!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's 6am here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so the debate is spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously man, you are expecting a bit too much out of this channel is the thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go to gossip chan if you want to just spew a whole bunch of stuff then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't run this channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate isnt about argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, you run it as much as I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the exact same amount, actually'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and neither do you, you idiotic, self-righteous, fucktard who spews things out of the mouth for a rise, and not for the sake of actually spreading intellectual thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ooh BURN'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you wont to continue to be verbally owned, just test me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone's channel Yuna this morning...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi ! respect '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey man empty your whole clip'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my intelligence lvl is far beyond your 15 year old mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I bet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'did I just say that - must drink more .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'show me some more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hit me sucker'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'chase me off'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if you want to debate like an adult do so, but respect an order to the idea of debate, and to the idea that debate allows everyones idea to be heard'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok flame war - get it over with '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i will, and i will win'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more reports of death panels being used in the UK coming out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'everyone's idea is heard here, dumbass'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I can't mute anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it has happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'straighten it out first, before you wage war, son'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'welcome to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not even me ... must muted on the MUD'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but yet you're doing a sufficient job of allowing your thoughts and ideas to go un-understood based on your ideas of what debate is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's in your brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I type something'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone else types something'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet you see me as squelching it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how is that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, you're missing the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you want to debate, answer that one, you silly little faggot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OI 1 on 1 !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of us know what the word debate means. however, this channel is not used for debating'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no... i got repremanded for coming down on a vet for examing the way he chooses to play his character'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's more like crazy people yelling at each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dag - wanna let Tiggy's victory be a tag team event ? let him go '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if people were gonna come down on me for that, im going to apply the same exact force in this argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, you never had a weapon in this battle, you only thought you did'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'does anyone here actually desire to debate because it's actually good to learn another persons' point of view?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most won't listen, Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unfortunately, no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we have been doing the entire time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes i want you to teach me how im wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i cant have a battle of wits with an unarmed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz... are you the only logical person on this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can, and here you would lose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously, this channel is about coalitions and being the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think Yuna wins on shouting the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some times the craziest. especially when we have the nuts-dosset tag team here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos screams loudly!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no what you idiots have been doing is spamming an intellectual channel... most of you have no desire to learn, but just to further your own understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yuna is smart compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i like how tz is logical becase she agrees with q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nothing anyone says on this channel makes any noise at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whether that be right or wrong, it is no reason for you to impose your will and ideas upon others'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeast is smart compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so what makes anyone the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this is pretty sad imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe it's your approach to debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i've never been successful in a debate when I go around calling people idiots, fucktards, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by God, people love to dog on me for saying that the mind has a science, and then you all prove that you don't know jack about your own minds'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'I AM SMART LISTEN TO ME'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, I usually end up getting trolled hard when that happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, i told you not to bother right in the beginning'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Please, Cambodia log in as November. That character deserves a trashing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'umm... carry on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i guess that menas that i won debate. all of it!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's really sad we cant bring order to an intellectual channel, simply because our inner feelings have too much fodder to throw'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'means even'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry about the personal attacks, you know someone has nothing to add when they attack your person and not your ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts blinks innocently at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it is, but the crowd here doesn't have mensa membership cards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they're calling people names'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really it's all good, we'll cool off later on and it'll be OK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'one problem here is there is an attitude of winners and losers, these are all subjective viewpoints'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, that tends to bring out my passive agressiveness'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'speak for yourself :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and November?  what did they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i friended you taz :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like having a talk to someone, and all they can come out with "you're gay, you are"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're taz because you're aussie... tasmanian devils... totally aussie to me lol, we even have the cartoon lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know you are but what am I?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are rubber, i am glue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'mummy, he hurt my feelings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Q afford me a Taz then an we can be friends '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ladies and gentleman... i have no desire to control any of our thoughts and ideas.  I merely want an order, and an intelligible way to respond to them so that everyone points can be understood and taken into account.... We cant expect to learn if we dont read and learn.  Am I being unfair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You want a debate? Debate Geithner eliminating the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want to talk about then, q?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and tell me the USA isn't slave to the fiat masters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia called JINX before Abandonhope.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit Dagnir, have you been using your summoning circle?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fiat own ferrari'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'YAY! dosset is here :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at DosseT.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir rubs his hands together in greedy anticipation.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is no longer the realm of "conspiring": his actual proposal is to eliminate the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope starts moaning.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'QEs be damned'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK doesn't have a debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok then... lets do this democratically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The US "has" one, but it keeps getting propped up, as a jack props a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'UK can't afford a ceiling :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'er we go er we go er we go !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you come up with any solutions, be sure to email them to the President'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'this is not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to the president, it's up to the congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'his email address is probably on the White House website'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, you can probably mass email all of the Senators and Congresspeople on the same site'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's tantamount to saying your currency is monopoly money'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'nice fiscal policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo it is up to the special interests that donate to the campaigns that get idiots to vote for said candidate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes but it is monopoly money that we believe in!  for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all shoe-ins Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Did he mean shoo-ins? )
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad it's come full circle. What do you do about it? what about the fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyone who has been to Acapulco knows what to do with the fiscal cliff...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jump'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fiscal handglider?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Until we rid "Congress" of morally bankrupt paid-off SHOO-ins, we cannot act, only react'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lizard people!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems the sheep are restless :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an opportunity to circumvent that problem by repatriating power to the states'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Funny that people would debate that the Fed runs the money supply, until this ridiculous statement is made'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The good thing is all 50-states' wanting to secede at least awakened some floating turds on the state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'listen you bunch of stupid mother fuckers... This is the debate channel.  It's hard as fuck to argue sensibly when all you mother fuckers want to do is argue your own point... If you want to debate, lets ask questions, and then wait for responses... No wonder the world is fucked, because there is no order'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dumb fucks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't agree Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask your questions, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good. let the anger flow through you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all want to become smarter on everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked mine!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have a question? What was the Laker's score last night?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like boobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '... we will let one person make a point and then we will all comment on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lakers lost to Arsenal 3-0'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I have a question? How come people get so overexcited on a mud channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu dagnirt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they care ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'He's very rude isn't he? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one of us! one of us! one of us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu anaristos, swalec'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate is where we learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This place is less think tank and more sand box'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes! release that anger! let it flow through you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's quiet 90% of the time, but when it rains it pours'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'get used to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a fellow misanthrope :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'welcome to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, Dagnir, anger is the path to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'er, i thought this place /was/ the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz and i have been here since this hell happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, dosset is here and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think he lost the debate, he is giving his concession speech :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz plz pose a question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and hopefully we can discuss it like genltemen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just don't pose naked'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's a shift key , use it , please '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I'm a woman'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am a girl '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20 , you decide Snail '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good cover, Swalec. You had me fooled...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont be dicks in this channel please, we all want to learn.. And the only way to do that is understand new ideas... Dont fault someone elses' ideas because they have the same reasons for forming those same ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'old enuff to bleed :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm imagining quelz as walther from the big lebowski. he'll be reaching for the gun soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are no police here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the flat chest, the adam's apple, very convincing :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm waiting for Tz's question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't want to learn at all -- I already know everything -- I just want others to listen to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahaha dagnir... Do you want to see who i am?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"shut the fuck up, donnie!", "am i the only one who cares about the rules?!". classic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please, no. Not before breakfast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man look, you are not going to conquer Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am just as broke as the poorest americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet i voted Romney'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(it was him!)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we already guessed that :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, there is a debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't fancy a free obamafone, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys I actually support what Quelz is trying to do - it makes sense imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont get fucking off topic god damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'elect romney?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the way, what is a Romney? Are you talking about the mittens?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ah dagnir, you get what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'welfare income transfers now eclipse after-tax disposable income'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'debate that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When there's more coming out than going in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Cambodia... what is your view on Romney?  That is a logical debate...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go ask the 47%'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, that explains Geithner'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just use a fotherfucking SHIFT key !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Anaristos and Dosset being the first to type, have first response'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ran out of meds, Tzadkiel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think he is way too insane to be running this country, and a majority of people agreed with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'romney or obama?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'drinking em now .. :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia? didnt get the actual answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes, let dosset speak. what was the thing with the free energy again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'someone didn't do their homework'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'romney is batshit insane and should not (and will not) be running this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir let people offer their peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or peace lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let people offer their piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry i mean to correct it to piece... lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then shhh... lets debate like men! :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i will not accept their peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.308 SLR Browinning  is my piece :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir.. dont debate here then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney pluses: believes in handing powers and control of things back to the States. Loosely believes in enforcing the consitution. Romney minuses: Paid for and run by corporate interests. Fiscally incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Dagnir is like, the only other person here who gets what debate channel is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you implying that women can't debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(oh, and a warmonger)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i didnt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will now wait my turn like a good little idiot until the next question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ohbama pros n cons ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, you were certainly implying that women debate differently'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Romney didn't learn the lesson from the Bush Sr loss to Don Quayle... wait not him, to Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pros:  he is sane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama doesnt have to worry about relection, so therefore thats scary... thats a con'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cons: he is insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Communist-raised CFR puppet would be a pretty big con'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jesus dagnir... i didnt even know you were a woman, just debate, fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps at DosseT's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The other is a neocon businessman...CFR puppet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy an example to back you up pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, Tz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can i debate like a woman then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I just fingered Dagnir :) and it said male, if dagnir is a chick then she doesn't want to be seen as one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not good at mobilizing a divided gov'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which, given how women online are often treated, is understandable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate because you can, i dont care whether that place between your legs holds a vagina or a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't make that point, Tz, so I can't argue against it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you wanted to debate like men'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia you're offering nothing to this debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who won't we debate like womyn?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well ban me then quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shut me up, do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you clearly are one for pushing your own agendas, and we can all see through the subterfuge'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont care to shut you up, but if you want to keep blowing smoke up our rears ill enjoy it... it kinda tickles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'agenda is a plural word... agendas is not a word.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's a cfr puppet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cool then I will keep doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'someone who is put into place by the Council of Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, when your idea of reaching across the isle is, 'I'm willing to entertain new ideas, as long as they don't involve me changing mine', what do you expect Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just quit trying to force sanity on this channel and you will have a lot more fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a CFR puppet is someone who is a voicepiece of the Council of Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. how about we discuss theism vs atheism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Listen to Secretary of War Panetta, among others, say that they do not report to Congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, wouldn't that cover just about every president in the last 20 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh god ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man dagnir, is it that time really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my god refuses to debate his non-existence...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, never mind. everyone knows that atheism is the way to go. lets not debate that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama is the first to do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean really?  are we going to do that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing Dagnir doesn't know what the Council of Foreign relations is, isn't willing to learn, therefore is changing the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some worship the Aithiest god of evolution ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure man, you win'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'athiesim is lazy and narcisistic, agnostics I understand. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'really glad im not slipping into this bullshit, you people are a disgrace to the idea of higher learning'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'evolution is a scientific theory, not a philosophy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, nuts. lets talk about cfr. ignore the religious topic i proposed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and fuck most of you because you refuse to see another's idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as long as you embody something good, you are cool with anyone, atheist or theist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're not debating, you're fucking arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally I am a member of the Church of God the Utterly Indifferent... The god that doesn't give a damn.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just be something that improves the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history of CFR, Dosset - go'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'be heaven's Roomba'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'means you have the understanding to know that your understanding can be changed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man, you expected higher learning on a MUD?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have no words for that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Quelz - make it happen - either a friend chann or a new chann or times where here certian rules must be observed  - think about it - a moderator perhaps ? idk - I'm insane '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is one I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'naive might be another'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'optomistic would be a polite one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'form a debate group'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i friended you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we're in the debate channel you fucking mooks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people have lost sight of the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Debate Dr. Oz being a piece of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you just don't understand what the debate channel is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I do appreciate your insults, it allows me to judge you without any guilt :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'google the defintion of debate and most of you are claerly not following it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this place is about arguing over the internet. everyone fucking loses'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I already explained to you that it's ot the channel, it's the way your'e approaching it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"google" is not a verb...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you can go choke on a huge big black dick, unless your tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you tell all of us that we aren't listening and you are the one who is not seeing what it is, even when it is right in front of your face'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my tzadkiel what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'google Is a verb imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, we have ignition, Huston :) Quelz is a bigot :)('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Since DosseT has failed me: Council of Foreign Relations set up in 1921 is a public policy think tank specialising in US foreign policy. It holds considerable clout'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"google" has become a verb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are absolute idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit we can be racist together - JUST USE THE FUCKING SHIFT KEY !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the most efficient solution would be for you to leave then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"google" is a noise, an utterance, it has no meaning beyond the name of a company. It is not a part of speech, so it can't be a verb.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'either that, or embrace the chaos'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't leave - best idea in months here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1 + 100 zeroes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're the odd one out by our standards, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thank you Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we're relatively normal compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your words are gold'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the question originally pro's and cons of romney?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are we going to talk about the mittens again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'have to define romney first'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which romney should we talk about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought we departed the thread here ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's like saying he's not good running on broken legs :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'google it, Anaristos '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m pretty sure Quelz has assured that no discussion on Romney is going to occur, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously tzad, obama has good ideas, he just can't make them work in a political reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, I don't know what "google" is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the topic then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the topic is whatever you want, as always'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ninjas vs pirates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I came here to amuse myself while drinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or vi vs emacs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the drink is the one getting amused...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man I might as well just shut the fuck up and let Dagnir do my talking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the relative batshit crazy TZ vs. Quelz ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i largely agree with Q, but it sure gives you an idea of whose words to give weight to....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the guy ? makes sense '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey, even drinks need to be amused sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd prefer cmosh and dosset in a ring'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think Quelz wanted to play You are the weakest  link :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh likely has some sort of paranoia/schizoid disorder'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm all substance'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lololololol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know, but little did he know that this channel is the playground for the insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just like every channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the brings up the question "what kind of substance"? Will it ruin my shoes if I step on it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can't play in goss :('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah there are rules there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dosset, please tell us about free energy. was it you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends what's already on your shoe, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is like the arena, a step above the playground'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, other substances :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yes, chemosh is proper crazy. dosset is just paranoid conspiracy freak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but still, we say whatever the fuck we want most anywhere on here, and that's why this game is fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need for personal attacks, Dag'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah chemosh has some real problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but he's one of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Geithner pushing to remove the debt ceiling is no longer conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's established fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm stating a fact. not trying to insult anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People just can't stand their world views slowly being eked out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, this channel can go from organized and thoughtful to, well, not organized and thoughtful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're spouting your judgement of someone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of someone's character'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i go to pee and shit gets even worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel that has Americans under the yoke of the fiat dollar'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'this is not a conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i remember you doing that earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still know him as Dru - wish he'd post more music '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or rather is, in the literal sense: they are conspiring against YOU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people understood debate and how it worked, then you would actually state your opinion in more than fragments and single sentences.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'chemosh knows what heavy metal is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have to use the proper hole, Quelz.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm an imperfect vessel, Dagnir, though I try not to -start- personal attacks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, welcome to the fucking internet. ever visited a chat room?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you understood the debate channel, you'd shut up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'A fuckin men |m|'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm pretty sure most of us understand debate, even if we're not going to do it in the strictest sense here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then why does everyone act like an update asshole on this mud then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there is no cake and eat it to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in all seriousness, that is a good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame Facebook, Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'either you follow the ideas of the mud or you dont'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you should answer it for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because we're on the fucking internet. that's how things work here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we already do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont be so self righteous that you need to explain yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by God just listen to Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the idea of debate is to question yourself, not others you stupid idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'debate channels has a fairly hands off approach, along with some of the other channels'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I said it a billion times already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have been here for 16 hours and you are defining us already? Wow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though we do tend to mostly discuss news and politics here, but it degrades sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like tonight'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the world is shit, live with it" to paraphrase. It kind of misses the point, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like the way you don't exaggerate, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're confusing the definition of debate and this particular debate channel. this place is about angry arguments and name calling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Q don't wander into an established social circle and expect it to change - rather offer an alternative and have ppl join'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vodka working , making sense '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if Lasher says it, that is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can it not change to be something better?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean he should start a Quelz channel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the rest of us are just flapping our lips'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'channel Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it can, but you have to get everyone else on board'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'form a debate group then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'coming in and demanding it to be better isn't usually effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am trying to entertain myself just about the time I normally log off :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, not if you're alone in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anaristos you are atool'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here on Aardwolf we call it a "friend list"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but if he gets a chann I want a cooking chann - MDMA n pancakes !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what she said  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe it's not, Razkin, but if you come in saying "it can't be better because it's always been shit so live with it" is also ineffective'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i never tried to change the conversation to my direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'merely to give it actual direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey, Anaristos is a cool guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, a lot of things don't change because of social momentum, or simply because it's not horrible, so why take the risk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is demonising someone trying to do something to make it better, when in the next breadth the same protagonists are berating you for 'not doing anything to improve things''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fucks like you dont know how to debate and played sports in high school, or simply dont understand free-thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snails are cool now ? not on LOL cats yet '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you decide to quit bitching about the rules of the channel and put forward an idea worth arguing about the we will proceed from there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and his name is awesome if you do a cliche asian pronunciation '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually I did take debate class in high school'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you know what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but see, that's the type of comments that make it break down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this channel ISN'T DEBATE CLASS'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the fine point that you are missing here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well why doesnt your incredible, smart ass offer an idea so i can destroy it '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'everyone has had debate in HS :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but... but... it says debate on the door :\'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when you start caling people fucktards, and idiots, and whatnot, you're not trying to bring any meaningful change to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy sometimes I wish it was '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just get it already and join our club'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it should be, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't teach debate in HS here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it won't be tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Dagnir, didn't you notice the moon cut into the wood?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'caps Camby :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the say what cut?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people on the internet just defy logic, no other reasonining'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir claps at Quelz's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'emphasis was necessary on those three words I felt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're starting to get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hallelujah!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Quelz, the Internet reflects it's users. Extrapolate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'poetic licince ? I'll pay that .. this time '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That might explain why the world is in such a pitiful state'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the fact that y'all are acknowledging what i said, makes what i said null in void'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Quelz, what goes on here is spontaneous. Someone wakes up mad at the world and comes here to blow off steam, and our job is to get him or her even more pissed off :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah! no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we get serious sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'none of y'all are serious'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one gets to dictate when that happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the beauty of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, we do. Tonight is not it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when we get serious, someone usually comes along and pisses on the parade'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you want to see spew mind bable without actually giving other people the time of day'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes you are cleansed!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I come on and do that Snail and I get a 48 hr chann bann - on curse channs ! go figure !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you see now!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was a hard road but it finally paid off!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck all of you, you have no more support tonight in the way of sensible debate, because there is no order.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia bows before Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir claps at Quelz's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that the world is currently at peace so there is nothing to debate :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he's right though for the most part '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man we were just trying to help him see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am right because i ignore biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok back the other way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way you can do it here is direct it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to where we all suck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all you children just want to be MUD trolls'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Only a fool would try to bring order into a chaotic universe :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'untrue Snail imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, only a fool would think that they could make it orderly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'only idiots would involve themselves in matters outside of their understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and so are you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on buddy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one more step...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No - I'm the token idiot !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm sure we'll all get along if we met afk, but since we're online it's about retarded arguments and bickering'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're the one with the name of a third world country'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'come one people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets use logic here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you're confusing being an idiot with being disrespectful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, do you want to debate whether you are a first or second order idiot? Or will you let us pick the rank?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh you don't know what a third world country is like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'quit going there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'logic has no business on this chan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you were so close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'embrace your inner retard and join us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well im so glad i live in a 1st world once then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I remember TWLF :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if you live in a third world country stfu'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you're not smart enough to understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, quelz is a bigot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i getting it now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wisest is she who knows she knows not - Aristotle - roughly :P the lesson of the Fool card in Torot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you had it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i understanding the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you lost it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bigot wins a special prize'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im so good at it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you are just being a jerk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I live in a third world country. I am a resident of The People's Republic of Santa Monica.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, do you happen to be racist? we don't seem to have any good ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate the internet with such a passion sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my vow is to bring order to the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, he is a racist. We gave that up when he got mad :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bad vow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i will do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accept it'll take a while, Qu'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, you won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'll haave to change your tact if you want to meet with success'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm hurt Dag :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not like this, anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck y'all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz i like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, just have fun being stupid and make friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sigh, it's like talking to a wall'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you could say something like "i'll civilize y'all niggers"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'incidentally you might have power but you will be too stupid and happy to care'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe there will be wedding bells in your future :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then you will be playing the game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'THEN FIND THE FUCKING SIFT KEY YOU MORON !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey I love Tzad too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok people can we slow down then? Cambodia if you really believe that, then lets actually talk like we have sense... in the debate channel... where sense is a necessity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'CAPS LOCK IS BETTER. AUTOPILOT FOR AWESOME'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'abandon sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just let go. join us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'none of us are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it's so much fun to be dumb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just do it and quit worrying about what is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'have fun debating in the channel that i got going in this manner...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you sound like a crack dealer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hahaha raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '64 kg n 3/4 through a bottle of vodka - am getting to stupid '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are you calling Quelz an strawberry?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really though, knowing the truth means knowing how strong it really is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry for the typo :> a strawberry*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it means that what is right is right, no matter what we say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu cambodia you offer nothing... your point means nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are not hammering out the rules of reality here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are playing a game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ouch man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nothing you've said in this debate has offered anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet I yammer on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by the way you talk, I will consider that a compliment :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am SO smart!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait one sec there, Cambodia... Since truths are absolutes they don't have fluctuating strengths. Or rather, it is meaningless measuring their strengths.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and who are you? trying to bring in reason and making people choke on black dicks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what is true is true regardless'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you want to have a battle of wits, i am so available for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there is no truth, only interpretation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I can say in a million ways that the sky is red, and yet it will be blue tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are no absolutes in reality ? since truth is subjective ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if we all agreed that the sky is red it would be in fact red'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I cannot change that with anything that I say or do, not even close, unless I seeded the whole Earth with iron oxide dust maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, Quelz, that sounds like a plan. We'll wait while you go find them :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck the waveleghts, it's about consensus'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'que Kant . '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if we all agreed that blue was red, it would be red, only it would still be blue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like the definition of Propaganda, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i just wait for you 2 to be idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but i think i know what you're trying to say, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can call blue "red", it wouldn't matter. Since the key is the wavelength not what we call it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, reality is not going to budge an inch no matter what we say in this channel, on this game, on this little corner of the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thansk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia seems like a big ole asshole, am i the only one who agrees?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so let's all get twisted aboutit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, let's have fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I've never looked at him in that way. I like women...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I would - IF YOU USED A FUCKING SHIFT KEY !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a game, right, so having fun is a better way to spend the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, he's not calling people idiots, fucktards, trolls, and whatever else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, are you religious?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia go fuck yourself... you havent had a positive thought to add to this conversation since you joined you cock licker'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he believes in the god Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir i am spiritual, not religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he sure seems to like dicks tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aha! The guy is demented :) I told you so!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'catholism I smell '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never liked that song, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'such hostility'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We won't make fun of Qulez because he's gay, ok?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think I will keep talking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hostility is fun!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe he's not gay and just has a phallic fixations?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your damn right because you stupid, non-intellectual mother fuckers want to spew un-intellectual garbage all over this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, you don't get it yet, you won't shut us up no matter how much sense you think you make'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey I'm get and racist - and an idiot - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just accept it already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, are you saying that he is orally agressive?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey I'm gay and racist - and an idiot - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n drunkish'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am racist...sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are looking for an arugment, Tsadkiel...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I am an idiot more of the time than I am gay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'still both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess if you arranged it in order it would be racist-idiot-gay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a close call, I would say, Cambodia...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia tosses a bottle of beer at SnailBot Anaristos ... let's just hope he'll catch it!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the RIG  syndrome :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most of you are under 21... thats apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'than you, Quelz!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am 32 buddy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nor am i'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't know our ages'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I want to be under 21 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then why the fuck are y'all acting like children'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'youth is wasted on the young'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because we're on the fucking internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just to piss you off, Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would investigate that one, seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's how it works. welcome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all i tried to do was create a logical discussion, but being a troll is so much easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just like the other question I said that you should investigate, investigate them both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I've lived a life most 40 year olds would gag at - 20 is only a phyisical marker of years not an extent of experience imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is this your first time on internet chat?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man you are like dancing on the edge of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing is, Quelz, that by our definition, you are the troll.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your approach would never create a logical discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are like -THAT- close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just phase out all the crap as noise, take from debate what little true talking does occur'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is the fourth time I've told you that, but you continue to beat your head against a wall'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i believe taz and i created an intelligible conversation that got trolled...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and when yo' conversation gets trolled...WHO YA GONNA CALL?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO ONE!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have actually said similar in tell Raz .. yeah brick wall atm '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because of the way you chose to interact with everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Focus on your frame, and ignore the noise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin... eat me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're giving away your power by reacting to people who act to make you react'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think you're just trolling now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. you came to troll our unintelligent arguments with your "reason" and "rules"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'say what you will, you're purposefully acting in a way to continue the type of behaviro you're trying to blast'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, you got out-trolled :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no all of you people chose to spin everything rather than being intelligent about it, which in turn made you troll the debate chan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dagnir you're my hero.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is she awesome or is she awesome?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what to you think of Cynthia McKinney, Dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was enthralled in the debate chan and everyone had to ruin it with their non-sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still wanna see a one on one flame war '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It only happens because you react to it, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you seem like the youngest one here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet im 25'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, there are plans, and there is reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ask any general'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's a big fat difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and was the only one who seemed to really wanted to debate politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I prefer Ali Larter, personally...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL you have 5 years on me !! stop watching TV mate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you sound like a semiotics or philosophy student who wants to sound smart (on the internet)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's like you seriously can't see how your behavior leads to the response you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'huh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'way to word it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'its like people want to buck against the system just because they can'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for someone who spouts off about logic, you might want to try some metacognition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you realize this was a debate channel right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Green Party nominee?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is a...debate channel?!  NO SHIT.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that it said debate? like politics? on the actual academy teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have never failed to be taken seriously here when I have a point I want to make. But then, I have a different approach than your, Quelz :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cult of the Dead Cow reject perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are veering into the realm of caricature at this point Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i like how q started off with "i'm smarter than all y'all". one of the first things i saw him say here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so to say im trolling you idiots is ridiculous, im reverse trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am warning you, though you will not listen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not mad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, and former democrat representative'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'heated yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are backing into it... that's not a new technique, some would say that's gambling though :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, you come in here proclaiming your intelligence and expertise, start to name call, then get mad that people dont' debate the way you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you never know what you will be poked with :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and end by more name calling and acting like everyone else is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you dumb fuck, you werent even here at the start of the debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, you were rather childish :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin go fuck someone minors' assholes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or rather, you are being childish :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man you are alienating all of your supporters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see what i mean, you really just said that and don't see why no one is working with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bad move bro'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'again with the anal penetration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Looks like another socialist puppet for the SWPL crowd'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he has supporters? Is he an athlete?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go fuck yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'q sure likes to describe and suggest gay secks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, you just were incredibly rude to me, and I"m still not rising to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, he told all his supporters to eat a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get chann banned in 30 min of this sort of escalation - just telling u from experience .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so now he has no one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you, well, you're just a tool Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see, you made me name call, good job'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did you learn a new word today, Quelz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey you had it a bit ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I told you when you had it, and then you just abandoned it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you were so close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia lets be friends you incredible smart young kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin are you cool? lets be friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'friend me!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'try tomorrow mate - this is a forgiving mob '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I"m not cool, and I don't want to be your friend'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anaristos you're so awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he is though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'didn't we establish that almost all us are older than you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw his lips purse, he's ready for you, Cambodia :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'man all of you have made me see the error of my logical, debating methods'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol you wish I was gay anaristos :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'please please, let me be a part of this elite group of incredible minds'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you dont' pull off passive aggressiveness as well as we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lead, and people follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are trying!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good try tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You spend too much time making sure people follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and we can spot a troll 50 rooms away with no nightvision :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's Xylis !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people make sure your own ideals are followed more than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yet we're not trying to force our ideals on anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one here can force anything on anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet we're not debating any actual issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no ideals, not since about 37 minutes ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am the dumbest motherfucker in the room and even I see that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it not obvious?  seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snail enters MUD Zen '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can explain it to you quelz but I can't make you understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no one is arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, if Cambodia can see it then it has to be uber-plain :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia thanks SnailBot Anaristos heartily.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'explain to me how much you like going down on dudes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not at all, you'll have to find directions else where'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you will have to explain your terminology, Quelz :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here comes the gay sex again'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you are morons except taz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about some rimming for a change?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a taz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's your mom when she's tonguing my asshole'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man quit playing with the tip and fuck it already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'right after it has a little fart poo on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just drop your sanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we don't care'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, Starling, baby, you are back :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my mom is dead'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a tagh that SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING SHIFT KEY FOR !!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'good, i hope that bitch rots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh, once I got immune to hatred, I gained affection for Starling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'her nasty words became foreplay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'starling was awesome. i miss her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I never really interacted with her, so I can't say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I liked Starling. I miss her.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I dreamed of her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz is her replacement and he sucks :('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Long Live Starling ! She is an awesome ball of hate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'practice makes perfect'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'same way that dosset is a shitty replacement for chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, he is not a true sociopath like she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'close, but no cigar'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that kind of thing is biological, you kind of can't fake it you know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahahah lets RP me... you people are idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are all trying to enlighten you Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Quelz, you're getting boring'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you did provide at least an hour of entertainment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually a lot more than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was all for the best'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actuall meds n CBT they try n make you act like you care Camby '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the true sickos, they are missing a part of their brain though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Starling was, I kind of think, missing a piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hey cambodia whats the higgs bozon?  how many people are on this planet?  How many chrosomes does a human have?  if you cant answer any of these question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'eat me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I can get away with it I'll kill you as quick as look at you though :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where are you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to eat you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like you  just said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boson*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the god particle!!! duh duh duuuhhhh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meaning of life ..42'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although I agree, that's a dumb name for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a god particle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that means that there is a god'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just stupid media hype'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the higgs boson is one of the most elemental particles iin the universe, about 7 billion I think, 46'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you eat me!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does the higgs boson do, cambodia?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just like calling it the God Particle to piss people off and make them explain why it's not the god particle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb apparently they remade my fav movie '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont correct my spelling anser the fucking questions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'answer*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't know because I am not a physicist!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Human Centipede II'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here's one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people dont care to understand common shit, than whats the point in flaming a debate channel?  which is what ive been arguing the whole fucking time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what are the 7 chakras in the human body!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on now, since we are posing useless questions, answer mine!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what are the seven branches of yoga?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ive done more acid than i care to count, dont question me on my bodies on physical characteristics '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Miss Higgings' Bosom is awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an elementary particle predicted by the Standard Model by which particles have mass'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who was Neve Campbell's friend in the first Scream movie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet that acid made you so smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then stfu, you proved my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you can't answer those questions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '3'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We all need a yellow submarine...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'u have no qualitication in talking, bc you cant offer real answers'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then suck my cock, swallow my spooge, and then fondle my balls!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you see how you sound?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how many sweaty assholes has cambodia licked? thats a good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like a homophobic arrogant douchebag!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cant fondle balls that dont exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you sound gross, Cambodia. My pet just decided to unfriend you :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and if you want to qualify with psychedelic drug usage, you'll lose. big tim.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as good as any question that you've asked so far'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have not done as many drugs as I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guarantee.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways whatever'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're right i dont smoke crack or meth'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we all tried to help you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually strive to become smarter'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a fact, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all you take is Prozac and you forgot to do it today :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you chose to ignore the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok this is now no longer affectionate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should. crack helps you to lose weight and you'll make a lot of new interesting acquaintances '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'get off your high horse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this debate is fantastic -- I've been watching it every 15 minutes for the last hour or so -- everytime it sinks lower and lower than before'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you decided to become a troll because you couldnt answer the things we were talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'guess what'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have a fixation, so I conclude you are an anal retentive, Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're trying to find how low the bar is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am going to smoke, and you are going to say whatever you want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'welcome to debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you haven't gotten it yet, get it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so James Cameron can go raise it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what bar? We are dragging it in the dirt atm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you stupid, miserable, acne covered fuck, you aren't intelligent, your mother's attempt at conception ran down her face.  You dont debate, you troll.  No wonder our existance has no hope, because people like Cambodia exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the bar is like the Pink Dragon, we keep chasing it, but it just keeps going lower and lower'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How has he managed to divert all your energies'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has anyone seen the new Red Dawn movie ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i <3 this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Commie propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Tz, don't intend to either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I don't really want to, either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because i have a deep desire to undermine people whose objective is to undermine'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't they change the bad guys from Chinese to North Korean?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pure desecration - is my fav movie '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like the Total Recall "remake"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they were russian to begin with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I won't watch that one either, and yeah, they were russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Russia were the credible threat at the time, just like Chinese were the original target of the remake. Chinese government got huffy, they spent months rewriting it to Korean'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia what happened? did your thirdworld hunger grab ahold?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go die of tainted drinking water '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's all predictive programming'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for me they were aisan - is part of my ... makeup .. world  landscape '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'like World War Z'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hehe. you said taint'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have they done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'finally, peace falls upon the realm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dad n I watched the original sooo many times - is our ? life ? reason detra ? is sacred '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'das boot > all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'das boot is an amazing film'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate so many of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hugs Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Seven Samurai is also really good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hate any of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'HATE THE SHIFT KEY ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I have better things to do than hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I find hate a powerfl motivator '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it can be'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keeps me human '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh he still hates us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think will happen in the face-off between Colorado & Washington states and the UN, with the Feds in the middle?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jives me a point of reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but usually it involves me using a lot of energy and getting very little gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a tough one to predict tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'with the drugs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no! no more political debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I really hope that the states use their power under the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or what are you talking about Tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'id rather fist my own asshole'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, raz, legalisation of pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one way, you could say that we do what we do, and the federales crack down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, wasn't sure if that's what you were talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other way, we do what we do, and they loosen up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'drugs is something else I think that shoudl be state regulated'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it requires States having some balls'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what will happen?  hard to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prolly more to do with the beneficial aspects of it going against the GMO agenda of the WTO'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - with time it is effortless - it just flows - rolls - so much music to stimulate it and so many idiots to project it with '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the truth is, we smoked weed like we do way before there was a law'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and we'll keep doing it regardless'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if most states adopt medical marijuana, the federales will have no choice but to do the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If it's legal, no money can be made from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexican president already said that Colorado and Washington states have done more to end the deaths along the border than the US government has done in the last 40 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true...someone will make money, just not the same people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nicotine - just diff pockets mate - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the perspective is from the point of the Establishment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The last thing they want is an independent/sovereign private sector not under their influence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think the smart move is to loosen up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but of course I am a dumb faggot dipshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it'll be interesting to watch how they handle all the current court cases'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can anyone say they are ready for a partisan war ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is the smart move'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which is why they're cracking down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so far they've said they're oging to stop prosecutting them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but we'll see what'll happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the real reason that they want stuff illegal is so that they (the elites) can make more money off it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How dare free markets try to arise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'might lessen the load on the jails if they did'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the fact that states are legalizing means that they have already lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fewer people in jail are fewer phantoms with which to terrorize the threat'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what happens NEXY'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err next'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, most of the raids, at least from what I've read, have been on farms/distributors that have posted profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...chain reaction..the whole edifice crumbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Raids? They're raiding organic gardens now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not eating GMOs?  Raid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DosseT is right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo legalization of dope is ineviatable for the western word - wanna numb the slow decay - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'll legalize, and we won't turn into the cartoonish hell that they try to portray, they will look dumb, the federal government will eventually legalize across the US, we will get saner, hallelujah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EPA are infiltrated by the likes of Montsanto and other very large corporate drug and agriculture companies'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'please dont call it dope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was reading that when the feds go in, they're usually going in because in the states that are legal, it's suppose to be non-profit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I call it dope with good reason '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's also the staties doing the raids'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dope is crack, meth..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic farms are supposed to be non-profit, Razkin?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I like to practice drums when I smoke weed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hard drugs... pot is not dope, cops call it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, the farms that grow the marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's good sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not the gmos :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really meth is the worst drug out there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or the organics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ive tried Crack a few times - was monsterous what the rolling psychotic mind can justify '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cocaine and heroin are two sides of the orgasm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once that is understood they make sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu if you havent taken these drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I will...keep talking!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meth binges are just as bad '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knowing what sort of physical damage they can cause, i wouldn't want to take 'em, but I want to see them decriminalised'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the only thing I know about meth is everytime we go to my wife's family's town, some motel has burned down because of some meth lab'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'coke is a chump drug - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what people shove in their bodies is their business'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia is a troll.. gather this already, and then ignore him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are better ways to deal with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let them make the decision son'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'certain drugs offer certain things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why sane, intelligent individuals take them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is an ignore switch, they can all ignore me if they choose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes, heroin has a lot to offer, not a joke, it really does'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've only ever put one person on ignore, here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah, but it's fun hearing the dumb shit you have to offer, and how unfounded, and how self-winded it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is like being imprisoned in a 5 star hotel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll agree opium - not heroin Tig'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'acid is the only drug you should do other than marijuana if you hope to understand anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well acid or dmt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I prefer mushrooms myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but DMT isnt readily avaible'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've actually never done drugs, the closest thing for me was Vicodin, so I can't really speak to being on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shrooms scared me witless when i tried em'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I have done ayahuasca and san pedro ceremony'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have plenty of dmt in my freezer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my brother on the other hand....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'pot, shrooms, acid, dmt are the only drugs that truly offer a temporary increase in mental capacity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LSD is nothing compared to a guided tour on mescaline imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, you forgot mescaline, psilocin and salviorin, noob'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think he's done all the drugs I've chosen not too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll stick to what i know, and what is naturally occuring :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i can no longer hanlde idiocy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'getting high on life? :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'goodnight all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cocaine and heroin mixed (speedball) is the ultimate in a drug, meaning a substance offering a temporary relief'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'night'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'later!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck you very much cambodia lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'make sure you come back to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck you too!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the heroin opium deb - Crowley said it best "when I am alive and you arewwalive we can be friends , if you kill me ( ie making opium into heroin) you are asking for trouble" '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think Burroughs said it best when he said, "If God made anything better, He kept it for Himself."'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man that guy, what a trip, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hardest thing I do is whiskey, though I don't even do that anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alcohol is a horrid drug'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legal though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a good band aid though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I mean that not just as in the bandage sense, but the playing music sense as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have an impressive psychedelic collection at home. haven't touched anything in 2 years now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dumat: '8o'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I never quit got to the level of alcoholic, but I was drinking too much, so I stopped drinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do ehthanol and thorazine n mogadon - 2 by prescription - with varying degrees of sucess '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'mushrooms are closer to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'LSD is a toy, mushrooms are close, mescaline/San Pedro is real, ayahuasca is really real'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use ethanol to increase the efficacy of the mogadon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say go with the mushrooms but that is me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shrooms here, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mescaline - butane extraction process is IT darkroom even though never gone that far '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'easiest way to do mescaline is to buy a San Pedro cactus, chop it into pieces, stew and strain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then cook off the water and drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is so rare in Oz you get a guided tour when you use it , and owe a favour '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here in the US at least, you can own a San Pedro as a decorative cactus plant, and there is no problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'seems to me there's a few other plants like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here's what i'm growing - http://i.imgur.com/5leN4.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just can't remember exactly which ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can own a full auto AK in the US as I am lead to believe - Oz is a nanny state '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like distilling, having a still is no crime, having mash is no crime, distilling the mash is a crime, same with the cactus...owning it is no crime, making medicine out of it is a crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you cannot, not legally'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'full auto weapons are illegal here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/plants/news-5-legal-plants-can-illegally-get-you-high?image=0'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can own a semi-auto AK there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'full auto weapons are not sold here, they are a crime here, however you can easily modify a semi auto AK to be fully auto, but then it is criminal'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL compared the the BS I have to go through here full auto is tantemount to legal over ther eimo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can own a semi auto lots of things here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all weapons are largely illegal here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including knives'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use a trigger bucker with an illegal semi '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'how do they decide if a knife is a weapon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'length of blade, and whether it's outside or not, Raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'depends on how long it is and whether it has a substantial secondary usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if I took a butcher knife outside, it's a weapon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and also what you do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wtf'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outside and off your property, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chefs can carry tools of a trade - I'm enrolled in tafe for cooking .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even a carving knife taken off your property is illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if you walk into a pub on friday night, then yes, if you are a butcher on call, then no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I get it, if I walked into a store wielding a butcher knife, I'd expect to make people nervous'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'air rifles are regulated to uselessness, and only shotguns are allowed with license, reason, and lots of hoops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what if I had a really small piece of metal but it was really really sharp?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'likewise, if you walk into a pub with a chain saw, you are going to go to prison'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I'd be afraid that if I was bringing a knife over to my mother's place, and ogt pulled over, they'd all be like 'you have a weapon!''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably illegal, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if it has been adapted for use as a weapon then it counts as such'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok just checking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am learning Krav Maga - in a year or so I'm gonna be lethal lil bunny with just me as the weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if not, then no -- so keys are not a weapon --sharpened keys are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm too lazy to learn that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here in America, a shotgun is more a tool than a weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so those are almost always acquirable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I always wanted to learn that Russian military fighting style'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'your homicide rates do not support that Cambodia:'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sambo or something like that, can't quite remember'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah America is full of retards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I grew up in outback Oz - yeah same '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? is Isreal not Russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point is, a shotgun is a hunting weapon, and a pistol is not, that is sort of how we divide it when you go to buy a firearm at the store :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in the UK, a shotgun is also a tool, while a sawn off shotgun is going to get you arrested'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Krav Maga is the isreal one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because when you saw it off it is not what it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sec, I'll look up the one I"m thinking of'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'correct Raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the status quo is probably OK in the UK, but it's only OK because there hasn't been any major disruptions to society since they were banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the IRA is quiet over there ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRA gave up armed conflict and went into politics a decade ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Adams ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the Northern Ireland Assembly (devolved government)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only heard legend stories never kept up with the conflict '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that Americans were the funders of the IRA during the 70s and 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and 90's'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American government didn't do shit about it until their paid-off arabian goons were convinced to turn on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest is history'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's sambo, had to look'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now you have the point - shoot '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though the russian systema also looks pretty nifty'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, took me a few minutes to find it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point, only history: USA is not alone in supporting and using terrorist groups abroad as one method of enacting foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9/11 was a part of that, libya is part of that, syria is part of that, iraq was part of th at'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now we're back where we were'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's comforting'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's the danger of chosing the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it'll continue because people are stupid enough to buy into government propoganda, and the propoganda of governance itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take the qr's at 6.75'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sell one each'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you spend too much time on debate tiger :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you guys don't make any sense is the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's been awhile since I've been sworn at that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that guy was heated'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get used to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'words on a screen man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I actually think he was trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'has it stopped?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I think he really didn't know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, sorry Swalec'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I thought it was going on till tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he's gone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reaction to frustration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'damn, I missed the end?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'what happened?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'who won?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he reminded me of my mother in law'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh dear, so was it all a waste of time then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's down right rude, will yell at my wife, then if my wife yells back, she acts shocked , and doesn't understand why people are mad at her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'when is the re-match?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no one won, but the bar definately lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'next time he logs on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I still think he was trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or isn't mentally ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if he was trolling he was a zen master I say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was trolling about 1/3 of the way in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think he really didn't know the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is more plausible to me than us all getting trolled by a master of the art'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, boredom might have had something to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you know...it's hard to say at that level, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'kind of blood in the water type thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it could also be immaturity, but I guess we'll never really know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'funny how much he hated me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I do know he was kind of riling up gossip earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I wasn't really surprised when he came on debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, it was better than what was on t.v.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah it was good times'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I got my money's worth for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, it was better than what was on t.v.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, I hit the up arrow :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't buy that kind of fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, we'll see if he comes back'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'his long term behavior will really tell if he's a troll or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I bet he will have at least one more rematch in him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I really think he is just naive about the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, then he's not 25 :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if he were a troll he would have cracked at some point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I bet he was all thinking he could find some sort of sanctuary here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when this game is nothing of the sort, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but it's all in how you express yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I don't agree with everyone, but I dont' just dismiss them and call them names, then explain how I"m so smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all smart, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the art is in how you come across, like you said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, if someone wants to have a real discussion, i'm more than happy to do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it happens on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but when it doesn't, you don't force it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sometimes, that guy was just uptight though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's not the high school debate team, i'm not going to ding a bell once I've said my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude, you log on here to have fun, you have fun, you play for fun, you convo for fun, you friend for fun, this game is for fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you try to force it, you look like a fucking fool'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this just isn't the place for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, if this were someone else's website, where there were rules posted about debating, and you got banned for not following them, then maybe there would be ground'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but this is a game, we do have debates on here, but if we are fucking with you then you don't get to order us around'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so yeah, he didn't get it, he like...almost did at one point or maybe two, but he lost it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think Lasher has set the rules for the channels fairly well, i behave on the channels i"m suppose to, and don't get upset on the ones he doesn't monitor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, still it was better than TV'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Lasher knows what to fuck with and what not to fuck with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'better than anyone I've ever seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ever, he is a genius'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you can pick how no-holds-barred you want to go by which channels you participate in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you want to pick a fight you join a clan and go on gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is the true throwdown channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I like the fact that there's some clean channels out there, but I also like the fact that I can speak my mind here and not have to parse words if it's not needed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are not even put together enough for a debate, you can always go to curse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'curse is the one channel I never shut off'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'curse is the one channel that caused me to ignore someone :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't turn it off either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also , obviously, don't have any experience with gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have some'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't even really decided if I want to get into the clan part of aard'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you really think you are an artist of smack talk, join a clan, and try gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you will see just how good you are at smack talk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not that good, I'm pretty good at ignoring it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien chuckles at Razkin's joke.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife has issues, I mean, I'm fairly conservative, but she has problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is where you prove it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of problems? political problems?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's asleep right now, and someone on fox news said something about obama, and all I hear her say is 'fuck that bastard' then she started snoring again'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a problem though, surely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien rolls his eyes in disgust at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she has a level of hate for him that kind of scares me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's funny, the US government was created to have a sort of inertia that precludes presidential sabotage'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two possible reasons for that: a) she is someone that gives into hate readily, or b) she realises exactly what he is and what he represents'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, i've never woken up specifically to tell someone to fuck off, then go back to sleep'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she works with special needs children, and is incredibly patient, I have a hard time seeing her give into hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and Obama is not even close to the guy who will or can ruin America'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, so it's an outlet for her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'her patience is the only reason she married me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's what I'm kind of thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'better him than me, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Obama is the frontman who takes the fall for the powers that run him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thank you tiger!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then explain susan rice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'condascending rice?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's the front man for the front man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'our country is not a dictatorship'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'most women need patience to marry and stay married to men'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'many people run it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but I think she's taking the fall, at least in part for other people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we suck andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are impossible beings who are very difficult to deal with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just saw on t.v. that only about 51% of adults are married in the u.s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it was like 71% in the 70's'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unlike women, who are totally sane all of the time, and take no patience to live with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is that sarcasm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'listen to those words and tell me what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll wake my wife up and have her read them to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If the American people ever allow private banks to controll the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and resotred to the people, to whom it properly belongs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she will probably agree wholeheartedly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now name the author of that quote :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you will laugh in her face and know what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'alan greenspan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Thomas Jefferson'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou Culpable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, the capitalization at least speaks of an older author'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just saw inflation and said alan greenspan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'i just know that in my relationship, and in the majority of them that I've witnessed, the woman is the more patient of the two most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's different for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but really, no sarcasm here, we are all insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh no, I'm definately the more impatient one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'finding someone who likes our insanity is a blessing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if jefferson is right, why do we have a federal reserve?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Paul Warburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people were asleep and allowed them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, is't that basically what they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you think men are actually stupid then you deserve what you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Fed is not the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, it's a bank, and a private one at that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would never think women are dumb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So we have a private bank controlling fiscal/monetary policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, some are dumb, some are not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It bails out its masters, and collapses markets as necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Guess what the IMF is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private bank that is immune to all sovereign regulation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never understood the role of the IMF, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'just replace "markets" with "countries"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pays no taxes, answers to nobody'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like there's things that I understand, but I'll admit, there's thing I just dont' know a lot about, and the IMF is something that I don't know much about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'IMF/WHO/WTO are all one world governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elements of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and people relegate it to "conspiracy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's there in your face'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but they can only have as much power as is turned over to them, but it's power that would have to be turned over by the governments themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who runs those organisation? (going by the raplist of the people at the top?) JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They just politically/economically gangster countries that don't listen into subservience'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who did Italy's PM work for? Goldman Sachs, who does Greece's PM work for? Goldman Sachs, who did the new governor of the bank of England work for? Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The best one is how GMOs are being run by the WTO, not the WHO'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how is that handbasket?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the one we are all going to hell in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it nice?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's warm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do they serve drinks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if they charge extra for drinks, I will bitch, but then I will probably get one anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is warm though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've read a bunch of op eds lately how humans seem to be almost pre-disposed to socialism, in that they want to hand the responsibility over to someone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I know that's always something that's been said, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no look guys'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I will drop it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it seems to be coming up a lot lately in op eds and othe rarticles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds more like Milgram conformity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is an elemental truth about humanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are thinking creatures built on animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and what we crave the most is to NOT HAVE TO THINK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are beginning to fish their collective nuts from the purses in which they dwell'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because thinking is Painful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and being an animal is pleasurable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious is like sticking nails in yourself over and over'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our educational system, developed by the Rockefellers, is fashioned to create cogs for the wheel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's not natural that it occur'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the joke is, you say, only a fool would do that, but only fools don't do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're not natural'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are aberrations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why we have a limbic brain, but also a rational one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if there was a choice, how many people do you think would just be animals? like apes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the primal is delegated to the limbic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say, a majority for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being truly human, embracing that kind of eternal pain, is not sane, yet the sanest people are the ones who do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, life is easier when you turn it over to someone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe not better, but easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this paradox is at the heart of the human struggle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'humans are meant to endure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'animals and other beings with theory of mind don't engage in schadenfreude and angst'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'god yes, everyone has it subconsciously, and then someone comes along with the will to embrace that pain and get off on enslaving people who want someone else to take their pain away, not even knowing what that pain means'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is just the surface of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'No One Wants To Think'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Everyone Wants To Fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is the human condition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'simple'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's because we live in a pharmacologically-induced stupor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not wanting to think is that status quo, but is a far cry from our roots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the most powerful statement there is that Everyone Wants To Fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the rule you exploit for power'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'even the brain becomes inured of that dopamine release'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh if you are intelligent you see through it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but who is intelligent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if every person was a heroin addict, who would quit voluntarily?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'think of it that way, because that is what most people are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I am not saying that everyone is a wuss'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't think that you are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, i have a questioning mind, i want to know why stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people stopped asking why when they were 3, i didn't start until i was 30'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'me too, I quit also'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The better question is if everyone were a heroin addict, who would be aware of their heroin addiction?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at DosseT.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is the proper train of thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we're not all addicts, so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh most of us are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just not to heroin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As Plato said, it is noblesse oblige to return to the cave'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'heroin just illustrates it in a baldfaced way that scares most people who would be junkies if they tasted heroin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hate to be a party pooper, but I think I"m going to go take a nap'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey you've been good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia pours a steaming hot cup of coffee and gives it to Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, didn't want to just disappear'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We haven't yet all been assimilated to the point that we cannot recognize our bondage, to heroin or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll see ya guys later'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no but that is what scares people with opiates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd say it has less to do with opiates, and more to do with the person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people work because they feel pleasure at doing their job well, which is good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you come to the point where it becomes, the pleasure or the job, most people are not very well equipped to even make that decision'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is a scary place that only ex junkies have to face, or Aron Ralston'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we created a culture of quick-shot pleasure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all you need to do is check your Facebook or tweets and your dopamine/seratonin is goo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'd'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Camby revisit the BS heroim BSA u are pedaling tomorrow :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey man, heroin addiction sums a sadly large portion of human life up, sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'heroin is just proxy for dopamine release'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'humans just like pleasurable things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I always say, homosexuals and ex junkies, both know what it means to have courage to face your life'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'most pleasurable things are ego/id based'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the system works because people don't taste the pure form of pleasure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'technically, seratonin and dopamine are the only two things we enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why heroin ruins it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but being able to dissociate your own responses from what actually is, on that level, is something that most people not only won't do, but won't even want to consider what it is like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I mean, if we evolve a bit past there, then we will be human'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'until then, we are animals with consciousness reluctantly grafted onto us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and as long as we wear awareness reluctantly, anyone who proposes a solution that involves being happy and unaware can come right along and hook us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how every dictator gets power'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big Pharm and the failure of the education system are culprit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is our nature that allows them to take control'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what is sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'smoke'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Only because we're not taught to engage it ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one likes doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to be walking genitals'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to do drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to not think'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Mayhap in the short-term; humans are restless beings, and only in bondage are they otherwise kept'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's why they go for you early'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'before I leave I will say this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I hope humanity proves that all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'losing that bet would make me happy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let's have the courage to be awake'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien nods at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and peace be on all of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Rules !'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, she amended your father with a bris millah knife :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently UK schools have been indoctrinating kids into falsely believing that the 'purpose' of tax is to redistribute money from the wealthy to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK home secretary was whinging today at all the political weight against her "Communications Bill" that would give police the power to snoop on internet traffic, and force ISP's to record all traffic for 12 months'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary to run for president in 2016 - boy are YOU guys lucky :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'At least the concept of a female puppet is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though she's probably crazier than GW Bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'no kidding!'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never saw GW laughing his head off at reports of innocent people being killed in Pakistan at the hands of American drones'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'Yeah, I saw that... really charming. If you look into her history it is pretty darn creepy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Rand Paul will run in 2016, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is he's a sellout'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'sad but true'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'though I think that is a requirement for running'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does seem that way, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you have to sell your soul to the company store to let them run on your ticket'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reserve Officer Training Corps tutor castigated for stating his opposition to same-sex relationships during a class discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'My wife isn't allowed to bring candy canes to work b/c some people don't celebrate Christmas and it might offend them. Beat that'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'haha wow'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i've seen that before'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's reguarly just called "the holiday season" here rather than christmas'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the restaurant our works meal is at this year is serving for dessert "festive pudding"'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'I do not celebrate (anything) christmas and I still think that is insane.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well that's expected today. But candy canes? I don't get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You gotta follow the platinum rule these days: Do to other people as they want you to do to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those people who come up with decisions like that should be sued for flouting freedom of religion laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That applies only to governments...only gov'ts can't stop you from practicing religion, speaking, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I can tell you to shut up all day'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah I don't know what the brit's do'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it sort of can'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'bullet to the head shuts anyone u'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'p'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how much of a turd the bought-off judiciary are feels at the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has so many laws, they could prosecute you pretty much for anything on a whim'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a new study today shows that average 1-earner family households here get taxed at more than double the average EU rate, paying on average 73% tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tbh, it's a questionable study, but rates of 50-60% are pretty common on hard working families and working men(or women) without kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no wonder UK has been rated as one of the worst places to live if you're an aspirational young worker'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'sick sad world'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Thyroid disorders are spiking among children in Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sensitive nuclear documents, many relating to Israel have been stolen off hacked IAEA computers'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banking elite that rule my country have announced further austerity and tax rises'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"joy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'where are you from tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eUK'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Egypt president flees palace'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised given the protests that the piece of shit he calls a constitution that he drafted'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the democrips are pissing and moaning again because their opposite numbers are trying to improve their bills, classifying attempts to ammend a bill as "fillibustering"'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smells like desperation to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'democrips?'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'is that some obscure UK party'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the US Democrat party'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'yes, the clever mispellings I always enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are a gang...'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, they were cries of foul because they wanted an amendment to the defense-spending bill so that veterans deems 'mentally incompetent' to own a gun have their cases adjudicated by a judge rather than the Department of Veterans Affairs'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"My administration," President Obama wrote on his first day in office, "is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government."'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange then that he won't even allow Congress to read his cyber-security legislation'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange that he writes executive orders on new years eve (NDAA)......after saying he wouldn't even support such a bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope the NRA sues that NFL scumbag'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I believe the NRA is the new KKK" said Mr Costas'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Von Braun worked for NASA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know who Von Braun is '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: 'if they are still nazis, whose de fuhrer now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '$'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'USA figured that they'll take a short-cut in their own research on rockets and capture Von Braun.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There may or may not still be "nazis", the point is that their legacy persists'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'walt disney'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Japan/China prolly committed the worst acts against humanity, but the Nazi legacy is here today'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's why he was frozen in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: '20 years from now, there won't be any legacy left'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prescott Bush funded the Nazis, Paul Warburg did'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loads of Nazi scientists and politicians were 'moved' to the USA after WW2. Many ended up in positions in government, CIA setup etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rezit, our Federal Reserve fractional reserve banking system was created by the Nazi financier Paul Warburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I've only experienced Nazi culture on a homespun level - gangs - how does this eminate further up the functional tree ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our "celebrities" and "supersoldiers" (black ops, delta force) are products of Mengele's MKULTRA ritual based programming'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their legacy is everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Muslim Brotherhood was essentially started and fostered by Nazi ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the biggest legacy'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google celebrity MKULTRA (Project Monarch), and supersoldier MKULTRA (Project Camelot)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't google it, startpage it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: 'if i google it, they'll find me'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google don't pay theit taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their*'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'startpage returns google results, but since it isn't recording your IP, you're denying Google the opportunity to make money out of selling your search profiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though not denying the webpages and Google from making money from click-thru's'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it 'an ethical approach to searching''
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wernher Von Braun, Paul Warburg, and Mengele aren't crackpot'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yahoo and Bing do the same thing, but I'm singling out Google because they don't pay their taxes, which means -I- have to pay more'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it USA have the CIA, but are now spending billions creating a sister-spy network within the Pentagon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if only way we could all keep on one thread - pool our collective smarts and Prove something that was only supposed before - Id settle for beyond the bounds of possibility as negation ? if only ... Oh what a chann that would be '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hint hint'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't make someone do something, which includes learning'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"I can, I do" is particularly applicable'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we must change this  on this chan at least imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's just not an interest for most'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'learning that is, about anything in particular'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is for me - tbh is one of 3 reasons I'm here '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I think that's what Quelz was not-so-eloquently lamenting the other day'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The death of the curious mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, more power to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'closing window for higher thought - interesting to meet you Doss - I hope we taalk again '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to a PPP poll, 49% of Republicans think ACORN stole the election for Obama, which is rich since ACORN hasn't existed for over 2 years now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stats can be used to prove anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since both parties have committed voter fraud in the past, it's in the interests of the people to have an entirely transparent voting system administered at the lowest level possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counter-intuitively, a lot of lessons can be learned from Venezuela'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a fairly telling interview, though nothing I haven't heard before:'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://rt.com/usa/news/surveillance-spying-e-mail-citizens-178/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're interested in health issues: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I heard about the e-mail thing a week or so ago, it amazes me that there hasn't been more of an outcry'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never is'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government is getting some flack over a bill they're trying to put through to force ISP's to keep stuff for a year and allow cops access, and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only hope we can block it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US are already doing it on a huge level, just trying to legalise it so they don't have to keep it secret'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are going to have to face up to it and do something about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're waiting to see what the Dutch do'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there, they're trying to make it so that the law can raid foreign computers, too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for whatever reason, I don't think people see this activities as a large encroachment on their privacy, it's the only thing I can think of'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're not doing anything wrong then what's to hide?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, government is a goodly entity designed to help us with all our needs and so there can't possibly be any bad people in government.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your statements?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I live in Illinois, I've never seen goodly and government in the same sentence, well, unless the word steal or embezzled is also in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, no ssarcam here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '-.- , I trust you not'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the key thing there is in the article: "It's not up to you what is "wrong", it's up to the government"'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I knew I shouldn't have disguised my z's...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government decides what is wrong, and quite often that can be anything you like, regardless of whether it's actually wrong or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"having an opinion contrary to their policy" is wrong according to many governments, including China, N.Korea, UK and the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've seen the army and police training manuals....'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not sure what exactly you're refering too'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well let's see'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.aclu.org/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.aclu.org/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://publicintelligence.net/slatt-terrorism-training/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those'll keep you busy while i go play some hl2 :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen other crazy sources, such as videos of police training courses that teach that the founding fathers were terrorists, professors saying that Stalin never killed anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'etc etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you've got that NFL commentator saying that the NRA are the modern day KKK'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and gun owners are racist because they black people to kill each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all kinds of bonkers liberal shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the nra is pretty nuts tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they can be, but over all, I agree with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also don't think that Bob Costas used the correct medium to espouse those particular views'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you agree on guns being awesome or what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because i don't buy the bullshit that someone is after the 2nd amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, as far as them being awesome, I don't own one, so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't think that going after gun ownership will solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who exactly is going after gun ownership?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'small vocal fringe groups don't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, the UN and the Democrats are going after gun ownership'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'examples, please'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a concerted effort to try and twist the 2nd ammendment, and an attempt to spin gun ownership culture in a certain light'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, go ahead, link me something that isn't fox news'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example is Obama in campaign speeches linking the second ammendment to hunting'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm searching at the moment, to see who's posited what'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calls by Obama before and during the election to ban semi-automatics'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN small arms treaty'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, can you quote that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the UN members are from countries run by corrupt leaders that want to disarm and suppress the populace so they may continue being even more corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an Interweb, go read it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, why doesn't anyone complain about the 4th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the 4th has already been totally destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 2nd is the backstop'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without the 2nd, you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they sure aren't as vocal about it. the issue that's actually real'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how come? do you really think that it enables people to "rise up" against tyranny?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been done before'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even if it did, the uprising is due long time ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, when they were using fucking muskets'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html  it's definately a site with an agenda, but they link a bunch of other sites, including government ones, that have laws dealing with gun control and potential gun bans'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'll get to find out'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, with just 5 minutes or so of reading, I didn't really get to explore the whole site'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about an un-biased source that quotes things in context? any reputable news organization saying that obama is against the 2nd?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch obama's campaign speeches'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not sure you're going to find an un-biased source'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any source is going to be biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of media'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i skimmed over that site and all i see is that he's calling for registration of firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's wrong with registering your guns?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, I didn't go over it all, but I also saw support for local gun bans, limiting semi-automatics (which I do actually agree with), conceal and carry, and a few others'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't have a problem with registering your guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it's a good idea, but it won't combat most gun crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a specific problem with registering guns, except governments putting unfair prequisites on it, and then harassing you as a result'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what happened in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people have issue with registration ont he grounds that it solves nothing, and begins a slippery slope of regulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the USA investing heavily into flying killer robots, the populace does require semi-automatic weapons to defend against the government and corporations suddenly going coup despotic'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'speaking of which http://www.pressherald.com/news/maine-artist-faces-charges-in-new-york_2012-12-04.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN arms treaty is probably the most damning, which is why Obama kicked it back until after the election. He knew if he signed it before, he'd be sunk'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i can easily get a semi-auto pistol here. need to apply for a permit (safety course, psych eval). i also need to have a gun locker for storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't even have a decent air-rifle here'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i ever wanted one, it wouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with enough killer robots, a corporation may even take over the USA government (simply kill off the whole government) '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'when at home, would you have to store the pistol in that locker Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do agree with you on the UK tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade, they wouldn't need to do that, since they own the government already via the Federal Reserve'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a tad crazy when it comes to any sort of (potential) weapons there'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Costas blaming guns for that NFL player's death is like blaming a spoon for fat people'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, pretty much all guns are semi-auto. afaik automatics are banned pretty much everywhere except for somalia and other fucked up places'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try blaming the black gang culture that MTV pushed through the 1980s, blame the concussion, blame the SSRi's the player had been taking + all the alcohol'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i was just going to say, as much as I dislike gun control, I think what really bothers me about it is most of the reasons people use to justify it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and notice it wasn't the NRA pushing gang culture.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Automatic weapons are legal in the States. Just gotta have a permit and find one registered with the ATF before 1988 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with enough killer robots and the populace disarmed, the corporations and government may be as corrupt as they like -- no need to depend on the armed forces which may yet be loyal to the people'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or if you are a licensed gun dealer, you can buy as many full autos as you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'from any year'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, the ghetto shit came in the 90s. 80s hip hop was awesome and non-violent (with a few exceptions like nwa)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whenever, Dagnir, it wasn't exactly old boys with John Deere hats and chequered shirts pushing it, was it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yeah, hip-hop died in the 90s and got replaced with shitty ghetto gangsta bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my biggest problem is people acting as if the guns are the ones with the intent to kill or cause crime, as if the person using the gun wouldn't cause crime without the gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't straight laced super-christian GOP nutbags pushing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, like drugs, guns are inanimate objects with no will or desire. They have no inherent sense of morality'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, they did in a way. they introduced crack ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shh'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because duPont got hemp and pot banned in 1925 so they could profiteer from cotton'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also should be noted that places that have the strictest gun controls also tend to have the highest gun crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(violent)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the republicans going to botch the next four years acting like spoilt greedy nuisances and not get elected in 2016 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in europe, the top two countries are switzerland and finland'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for low gun crime? yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to be fair, there's some people that will argue that, and site areas where it's gone down.  However, to me, at best that would indicate that there's no corolation between guns and crime in an area, or at least gun control and crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, the highest'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats only when you include suicides, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope. murders'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't really trust either side, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I find it funny that we get wrapped up in the president and his approval ratings and what not, but when you look at senators and representatives, their approval ratins are barely in the double digits'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finland, france, austria are the top 3'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to mention that unlike any president, these people make careers out of being 'elected' officials'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estonia 4th'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in my mind, someone who spends 40 years in government is more to blame than any president'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'switzerland comes 20something'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of party affiliation'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, two conversations going on, but that's how I roll!'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4th where?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'northern ireland can't really count because a) it's not a country, and b) the stats are from 1998 which includes the sectarian violence from the IRA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, 1994, even worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why doesn't sectarian violence count?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't count for the same reason that publishing germany's gun crime figures during 1939-1945 wouldn't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard northern ireland has the best knee surgeons because of ira's habit to shooting out people's knees'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Germany's gun crime figures during that time are pretty low'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's figures aren't as bad as they seem when you look at them by State then realise that it's linked to poverty rather than gun law'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I find the suicide rate on that chart somewhat disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, orf again'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a better figure to use when evaluating the effectiveness of gun control is the proportion of violent crime that involves guns, rather than the rate of gun crime...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, crime varies wildly based on other factors, poverty being one'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the heck do people do meth when it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the heck do people do meth when it disfigures you so horribly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'desperation, stupidity, both'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason they do heroine'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can't they do other, less harmful drugs? Does meth give a "better" high or something? Or is it dirt cheap?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does anyone do anything like that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sweet 16 Anaristos: 'I bet male ostrich is tough as wood :) '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sweet 16 Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh "Own it: Unemployment back above 8% in the USA"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no need to 'forget' about counties and such now that the election is over?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did it go down below 8?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it didn't, really, the figures were fudged prior to the election'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what amazes me most is the extent to which (admittedly algorithm-driven) financial markets focus on one number and miss so much of what is going in :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor old Lord Monckton got booted out of the climate change conference by UN goons '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Doesn't he get kicked out every year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he had to parachute in last year, literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Can't have heathens messing up the high mass'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't want neigh-sayers at their globalist conference for the purposes of ripping off the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'where did you get your 8% unemployent number, the new number isn't due out until tomorrow.  Do you have a secret source??'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unofficial figures from Gallup'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take much imaginiation to know it will be though'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been a lot of job losses in the aftermath of the election cos of Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be a hidden toll of people being dropped to 30hrs or less, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much difference to what's happening in the UK - unemployment has gone down, but UNDERemployment has gone rocketing up as people are taking part time jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gallup of "romney has a huge lead" fame?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a case of the numbers not telling the whole story'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that was gallup, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, you obviously weren't following its poll of "likely" voters'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seem to recall Gallup predicting him having a 1 point lead, so was within the error of margin, not accounting for all other factors'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they had a registered voters and likely voters poll...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the likely voters one had a bigger margin'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some commentators that there will never ever be another transparent or fair US election'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there hasn't been one yet, so the rule of firsts is still in effect'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, do you know that for sure?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with all the attempts to rig, not surprising...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I know this for sure.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need registered voting, voting id, paper ballots tallied and published locally'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a lot of "redistricting" done over time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's only one type of corruption'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more obvious ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like voter supression, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suppression'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all of which is pointless when we're not connecting ballots to names.  Even for the officials, the best they can do is figure out IF you voted rather than HOW you voted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should hand out ids during the mandatory schooling period, but one side wouldn't like that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, connecting ballots to names is a bad idea, secrecy of the ballot being one of the pillars of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US you have specific issues with immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you register to vote and get a card, take the card to the polling station, they exchange it for a ballot. If you're not on their list of cards, you don't get a ballot'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how it is in the US, except that they also accept a photo id (omg, it's a voter id scam!)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem you have going forward is that, like venezuela, you have a purchased electorate'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by 2016, 70% of households will be on foodstamps'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why because Obama won the election?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but still, you might have pulled the lever for Romney but how do you know your vote wasn't changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well thats why you should go back to paper ballots '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'irony - Romney appears to have won 47% of the popular vote (rounded off)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you don't remember hanging chads in Florida?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paper ballots counted onsite is harder to defraud than black box electronics which have already been proven to be fraudulent, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not arguing with you there, although ballot stuffing can still happen with paper ballots'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can, but at least with physical ballots you can refer to comparisons, have recounts, and look at CCTV footage'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my contention is that 85% of these measures are not to combat fraud but to depress specific electorates votes'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they use paper ballots... just mark your choice and it gets counted fairly quickly under the eyes of the candidates and their representatives after polls close.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you ever seen how polling places are run?  Long hours bordering on the illegal, very small staff.  If it weren't for the fact that most voters are decent people by nature, it'd be utter chaos.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easily solved'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same people calling for voter id's are the ones making sure polling places are abyssmal'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how they can spend zillions on campaigning, but so little on the actual election that there are long queues in many places and counting takes forever.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, sonshi, it's bonkers'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(in some places)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get rid of absentee and postal ballots'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not accountable'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's talk about using mobile apps to vote soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are also complaints that poor districts tend to be the ones that have long queues, intentionally or unintentionally (because of low funding) discouraging voters...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets hope they don't use phone apps.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest fraud in the last US election is that states and results of motions were announced before the counting was complete'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they weren't.  Those were projections.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah exit polling by the 24 hr news media'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if some areas have long queues, least they could do is plan to open the polls longer next time, or hold it open longer for early voting, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they shortened them from last time'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the elections at all levels have been done that way since the WWW was born.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because the people in charge knew that those people waiting in line weren't waiting to vote for their party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, news networks can easily project, say, california's or utah's presidential vote pretty much immediately after polls close, before even a single vote is counted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they can also predict the swing states pretty accurate with exit polling'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'accurately that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the actual result couldn't be known until 2-3 days after the vote closed'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not surprising that they'd just project results that are foregone conclusions anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If you'll recall I did say it was a done deal like 2-3 months ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe next time people will listen to Nate Silver'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's before you start adding in some of the really illegal stuff that was going on, like in California where opponents to prop 37 were illegally forging quotes from the EPA, adverts claiming to be from the Police authorities, and adverts claiming to be from the Democrat party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'christianity is not a religion. discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the total vote count isn't even in now... and yet no one in his right mind would suggest the obama hasn't won the popular vote yet, for example, because there simply aren't enough votes left to close the gap.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if they agree with what Nate Silver says, :)   People tend to ignore information they don't agree with.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could ban all campaign spending above $1 per head of population per party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might help :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'citizens united??'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"hey, he was right the last x times and I was wrong, but hey, I know I'm right this time!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's often how it works out'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th term for Clinton :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can't ban campaign spending... they'd go all "butbutbut freedom of speech!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how in any way shape or form have the last term in this term been Clinton's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Hilary Clinton wears the pants'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the constitution, as is usual, gets interpreted by the parties involved however they want...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and how'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'money is not speech and never has been'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the republicans it's interpreted in a way that makes them the most money possible, for the democrats it's an invisible non-existent, non-binding document'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, corporations are neither people, nor on par with the press'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the democrats cling to the constitution more fiercely, actually...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th are all embattled under Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially the freedom of assembly, association, etc. things'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay 1st?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also 2nd'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to give examples'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and note that almost anything that is threatened under dem leadership is threatened under gop leadership, and more...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you explain the current administration continuing down a path of criminalising people for political speech, clamping down on protests, and continued interference in religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what continued interference in religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'criminalising people for political speech. ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'holding religion to the same rules as everyone else is what he ought to be doing, equality under the law and all...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, sonshi, that would go against the 1st ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm still kind of curious about the interference with religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seperation of church and state'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, I'm biased, coming from a country with better rule of law'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'separation of church and state means that you should treat them equally with everything else...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I really can't surmise what you are talking about interference with religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plenty of interference from religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is a personal thing, it's an extension of your speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can only see moves to promote such equality as supporting the constitution. I have to say that you have an odd view of the constitution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so is screaming fire, but there are some places where you can't do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'though I should probably say the US constitution, since it isn't mine...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrations from both sides have been inflitrating religious groups for years through the charity status system'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'religion is a god-given right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about republicans wanting to throw the ten ammendments everywhere?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal vector, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me commandments'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it comes off as a non sequitor'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every religion has those ten commandments, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes every religion.... are you serious? or joking'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if christian republicans want to be christian and use that as a basis for their policies, that's entirely up to them, you don't have to vote for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its never been about personal faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm serious.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's always been about personal faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is always personal faith being pushed into the public forum'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only the those three that are at each other's throats at various points in history'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's called federal governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which isn't saying much, because the top 3 religions all worship the same god with the same tenets from different angles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the commandments are treated as jokes by them anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its prohibited in the constitution to favor any religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thou shalt not kil... except your enemies'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thou shalt not steal... well, except in the case of legitimised plunder of people you don't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thou shalt not hold up false idols above Me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"top three religions" hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so is the Preamble.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so where is religion under attack again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you still have not provided an example which can be refuted'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just a broad statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'free exercise doesn't mean that they should pay no tax...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't have anything to do with tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay so I can conclude that it is not under attack as you stated? you don't seem to be very forthcoming with your examples'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among other things... in fact, that supports the equal treatment of religions with everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'while waiting, Toys for Tots reminds us today that donations this year are way below normal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all the money is with the job creators'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of things that can be construed as incompatible with free practicing of religion, including certain gender and sexuality equality laws, and obamacare provisions'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still mighty vague'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however the most worrying is the subvsersion of religious groups through their charitable status'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'religious groups are no longer considered charities?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, suuuure, we shouldn't outlaw stoning people to death because it interferes with some religion!'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'must have missed that episode of fox news'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's that relgious gruops -are- charities, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so regulate them like charities?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you are saying they shouldn't be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should if they want to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'aren't they already though?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poisoned chalice though, you then become subject to being told what to do'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'religious groups are all Tax exempt, I'm not quite sure what you are talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if they're registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so divide your charity part and non charity part so that one side has charity status and the other pays regular tax?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of course they have to register'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise I would have the twystian church and all the tax benefits.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're a non charity, you don't have to abide with charity rules, they're free to do that, like any other organisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(abide by)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, too late for many of them to go back now'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, never too late'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to understand TN that these people are hypocritical'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they just don't want to lose their tax free status'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look up how much money government has "put in" to religious groups over the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an insane amount'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in Lousiana where I used to live, they wanted to allow students to take public vouchers to private schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'specifically religious ones, until they realized that might include Muslim schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and guess which side is trying to end that giveaway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hilarious watching them bend over backwards at the contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know sonshi, but it's exploded in the last 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's any comfort, the government interferes here too'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if you treat (noncharity) religious activities as nonexempt, you regain a lot of that revenue, and they won't be bound by the rules they complain about'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would be bound by the rules, because these aren't rules specific to chairities'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they don't want their noncharity to be a nonexempt... because their donations flow will thin'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're nonexempt you can do what you want like any other organisation, as long as you pay your taxes and don't do illegal stuff like smuggle drugs or kill people'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what if they smuggle people?  Who's really going to arrest a priest for sheltering illegal immigrants?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... they ought to be treated the same way, but everyone knows they won't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're too powerful, after all'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chews loudly.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe that might swing if the smuggling wasn't ethnicly-closed, but it'd probably be suicide in all senses of the word trying to tell a specific enthic group they can't reach out to their fellows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you should really be worried about is your 4th and your 2nd, but for now particularly the 4th, and if you like pot, the 10th'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's the 10th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically, in this argument in colorado and washington vs the feds regarding pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to the constitution, States win'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been different with alcohol prohibition because there was a constitutional ammendment (18th) enacted to enable it'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'post a wiki link to the Constiutional Ammendments of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds will probably try to wiggle out of it by using some rather old commerce clauses that don't really count'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if obama thinks he can sneakily let colorado and washington do what they want without the gop noticing, he will...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, he's done a lot of the caving thing last term...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how pot originally became illegal.  Cocaine and opium/heroin, too.  They aren't bad for you, it's just that nobody wanted to pay the proper taxes on shit that at the time was hugely popular.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that they really ARE bad for you, but nobody really cares about that because it's illegal anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weirdest headline of the day: 35,000 rubber ducks in Santa, reindeer outfits seized at Port of Los Angeles'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like you're going to have your fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has a sense of inevitability about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No way Obama will escape blame for this one, even liberal news media has been making a joke about his "plan" for compromise, and they have been noting republican concessions in their proposed plan'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your deficit is worse than ours was, and that's an achievement'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans are totally to blame for the USA deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Obama in his last news conference (first in like a year) said he was open to closing loopholes and raising effective rates, but when Republicans proposed exactly that, he said no way. Republicans ran on no higher taxes whatsoever, and their plan calls for higher taxes. THe media seems to be reporting the truth and Obama will take all the blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all to blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No, Zade, they aren't. Republicans passed the budget that (almost) balanced it in the Clinton years'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats won't reduce spending on welfare and warfare, the republicans won't reduce spending on warfare or raising tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Dem's wont even talk about entitlements. They are totally off the table'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve the deficit instantly by changing your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich are not "entitled" to anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is 'entitled' to anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're entitled to freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'We are entitled to liberty. But not to others money'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not entitled to someone else's cash'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit tipro'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you suggesting cutting off all aid to Israel -- that is sure to bother the republicans and christian nutters'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps that would make them more condusive to a peaceful 2 state solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'deluge on my seedbox tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a written response from my parliament MP today'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only took him 3 months'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '150-strong swat team raid a man for being a prepper, accused of having a huge arsenal of machine guns. Find 2 rifles, 2 shotguns and a pistol, $100,000s in tax payers money wasted'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sell them to me '
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '5 guns seems like a lot to me. Maybe not raidworthy tho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just sell me some ammo - down with the hardware'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a spokesman said they raided on the basis of a 20yr old drug posession conviction'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'German and French troops massing on Turkey/Syria border'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia will back down and al-quaeda will be installed in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I knew nato couldn't stay away from invading syria.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was their plan from the start, send jihadi's in to destabilise, then go invade'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you're hearing all this compelte bullshit about chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're old enough to remember the gulf war, then it should start sounding awfully familiar'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you're old enough to remember the iraq invasion, same story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part of the plan to rid the middle east of anything other than sunni wahabists and form a wider islamic caliphate'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What's even more amazing is that the citizens of nato countries seem to believe the lies'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamafone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libya/egypt just the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the jihadi's have rpg's and more up to date anti-aircraft weapons that the US gave them, they have been in the media saying they're going to use them on Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another thing that amazes me is that countries that have (and use) weapons on mass destruction get all moral on other countries that try to get such weapons. That makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ayup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel used depleted uranium against Lebanon a few years back'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pentagon is preparing an invasion of Mali'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that raid on the prepper was prompted after he cricised Obama on facebook, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or specifically something 6wis or better'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/state_by_state.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'another sensitive nerd who doesnt like to be wrong ... thanx for sullying up barter and not goin to debate like an honorable gentleman'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/CAhXQ.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'god damn, obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'i cant blame Obama for anything, because this is what is going to happen. The third Pres from here is going to take the credit for pulling us out of all this crap. Look at Reagan and the Berlin Wall.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wtf, obama? - http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh "Iran condemns US nuclear test" saying it reflected "inattention to full disarmament which is a deep-seated demand of international public opinion"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what nuclear test is the US doing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yay iran.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'god damn it, obama! http://i.imgur.com/xNkg1.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohkay'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i appear to have slept most of the daylight away'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was built for hibernating'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woman sentenced to year in prison for having a copy of the magazine "Inspire"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statisticians called the latest US government jobs and unmployment reports "nonsense numbers"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not source these claims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what claims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/sister-of-london-bomb-plotters-jailed-for-possessing-copies-of-al-qaida-magazine/2012/12/06/65ddf420-3fc0-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_print.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/?s=shadowstats.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprisingly US uses similar tactics to the UK to conceal real joblessness rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"statisticians". By the way, I read a book on anatomy in primary school once, you can save on medical fees by coming to see me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depending on the problem, you might be just as likely to be able to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cancer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's higher, Sonshi, 20% of 100 or 40% of 45?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what are you referring to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'referring to mathematics'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, do you need the government to give you the answer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government says that 40% of 45 is higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't do people's homework...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the government said it, it must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that what the voices in your head are telling you these days?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what're you going to cite next? unskewedpolls dot com or something?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not the one scorning the person pointing out the spin-measures that government uses to make unemployment rates appear lower than they really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do publish a variety of different measures, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's the unemployment rate of adults in the USA?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people tend to be interested in the change/comparison with other countries more than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how they can they hope for that when all countries measure it differently?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it even relevent comparing unemployment rates to other countries that are fundamentally different?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'headline unemployment? U1? U2? U3? ???'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK doesn't have U1 U2 U3, so what are you comparing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pick the rates that are measured about the same...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'U3 is commonly used these days, countries just call it different things'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when you standardise these things people are bound to complain - "what, they switched from imperial to metric! It must be an evil plot! The government is trying to cheat us!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'u3 might give you something to compare with, but it's not the unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have a different definition from the standard one, they publish other figures too'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'U5 would be the actual unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not the standard definition globally...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that doesn't include people out of work for more than a year and not looking'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'U3 is the ILO definition, and the most useful one since most countries have that as headline'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the who?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ILO'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'itnl lab org'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who decided they made the decisions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most countries use it'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who voted for it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who voted for "kid" to mean young child?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'that actually means walrus'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have some funny nonstandard definition of "kid", say... don't expect others to be speaking on the same wavelength'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that kind of the point?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, your definition of unemployment rate is nonstandard...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ask people on the street what 7.7% unemployment rate means, most will tell you means 7.7% of the work force don't have jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what people expect it to mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they also expect the work force to mean people actually looking for a job'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when you use the -actual- figures for this definition, your unemployment rate is 14.9%'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK figures are even higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Unless they're idiots, no one counts bums, housespouses, etc. as part of the workforce...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well housespouses i agree, neither pensioners, but u5 and u6 do account for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'u6 counts underemployed'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part time employed looking for full time work, nods'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for most people, they won't count them as unemployed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, not a patch on Spain or Greece's unemployment rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how to let EU globalism model ruin your country, in several difficult steps'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't seem to understand the sources of the crisis in those countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand full well'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has nothing to do with globalism, and everything to do with the euro...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is a pilot for global government'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'short answer - getting on the euro was a dumb idea.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a microcosm of globalism'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the EU were a real govt, it wouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think the EU isn't a real government?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is that they went on the euro without a fiscal union'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it were a fiscal union like how the US is, there'd be no problem, because transfers would smooth things out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU creates 86% of sovereign country laws, they place bounds on the remaining sovereign legislature, and at their core their policies are created by an unelected bunch of commissars, many of which come from a soviet political background'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the things about the EU that people harp on as 'good', like the EU treaty on human rights, is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard - no more useful than the UN convention on human rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this one of those 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot things?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good that EU members can wander between counties without a visa, but we could have done that without a EU and without a Euro'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in any case, the crisis is simply a misalignment of fiscal and monetary powers... if you hand them to different levels, this is what you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a very large number of people who don't want to be in it, including a majority here where i live'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so don't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't be in it... you don't have to, if a majority of the country opposes it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the majority want is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all three political parties renegged on promised referendums'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty obvious that the ruling elite have their own agenda to stay in, regardless of what the voters want'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to vote for people who pursue the policies you want in sufficient numbers, don't complain to me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an absurdly idealist view of democracy... it doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they gerrymander here and there, they can only shift the threshold so far...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Sonshi on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you guys are easily fooled, that's too bad... do something about that first.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama did a good job of closing Guantanemo, didn't he?, and did a good job of becoming the most transparent administration ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'promises are worth shit, and people are too stupid to remember by the time the next election comes round'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know this, stop deluding yourself and others into thinking it can be any different'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, can't expect them to do every single thing they promised... stuff happens, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if there's a single issue the people want to force, it will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earth to Sonshi, earth to Sonshi, come in Sonshi your time is up'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can pick it up later (if there is any point)'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, mursi revoked his decree... there are ways to compel politicians to uphold the popular will'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if even egypt can force through strongly held popular views with a crappy "democracy"... you guys just don't feel strongly enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'xaeris did u argue monty hall ? and u want proof? google it plenty of people have done it and have made simple programs that ran 100,000 instances to prove it'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sonshi, if you're prepared to resort to semi-violent insurrection for which our governments are happy to shoot you or jail you for....'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for every protest that has an effect, 99 do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like some of California's school districts fell into the same trap of corporate loan agreements that UK hospitals did'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"School District owes $1bn on $100mn loan"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean some of California, period? :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, they do seem to have fiscal diarrhea, but then that's socialists for you - they did here when they were in power'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll take decades to sort it out here, if it can be sorted at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some reports of torture chambers staffed by the muslim brotherhood coming out of egypt, plus rape gangs'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'torture chambers are prevalent all over the world, have been since the world modernized.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, they're usually the preserve of US forces abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even, and some would say especially, the Geneva Accord member states.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but if it's in a foreign country it doesn't count, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "foreign" part is irrelevant.  There are just as many in the US as there are elsewhere (that aren't already major hotspots likely to have a lot more).'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard of any in the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought they deliberately kept them abroad because of jurisdictional issues'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e on US soil, CIA wouldn't have jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that helps the masses sleep at night.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'CIA doesn't have jurisdiction off US soil...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd better tell them that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, it'd be pretty inconvenient to have such things outed in the public arena since those able to wrest such secrets are already members of the same organizations we are.  They have our dirt, we have theirs, everyone trades favors so that nobody ever really gets the real story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'their directive is to work off US soil...but US directives don't give US people "jurisdiction" when it's not our country...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not local jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not any jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's kind of the whole definition of the word jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jurisdiction is the LEGAL right to do what you're doing there'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the whole point of spy agencies isn't to be doing stuff that's legal in other other countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they do, then, because they have the permission of the local sovereign governments to act there'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, we give you permission to spy on us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't to do with spying, this is to do with having sizeable military installations where you take people to torture them for information'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was merely spying, nobody would give a toss, because it'd be normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the CIA doesn't have sizeable military installations'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it piggybacks existing stations'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as in Benghazi and Eritrea'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 buglars shot dead while attempting to steal from a pot grower in Washington State'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure why the media are hyping it as a "result of pot legalisatioN", it'd be no different to 2 burglars being shot anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police should be thanking the guy for saving them a whole lot of money'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'everyone knows that marijuana causes you to run around shooting people and is right up there with crystal meth and heroin.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget that it causes you to grow extra toes, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Domino's Pizza announce a series of new Pizza delivery outfits in Washington and Colorado'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol, apprently George W. Bush accidentally voted for Obama back in November, because he got confused (by the voting machine... or just life in general). He tried to undo his vcte, but election laws wouldn't allow it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or it might be a satirical website. Hard to tell with "Dubya being stupid" news.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Blaming it on Bush doesn't fly anymore, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but if it helps, you can blame the bad things from the Clinton years on bush, too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as surrounded by bush as that man was, I still don't know why he had to bring in more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of that was blaming anything on Bush?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sweet 16 Anaristos . o O ( if you don't blame anything on the bush, you have been sleep the entire XXIth century... )
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitch McConnell basically filibustered himself on the senate floor 4 days ago because he's a petulant child like that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Google is taking tax flak in the US, too, after already being forced to appear before a parliamentary committee in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arab nations form alliance with China and Russia with regard to getting more state regulation of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA take opposition view, but then, they record and/or sift all Internet traffic in live time anyway, it's in their interests to pretend to want to keep it free, regulation might stop their spying efforts abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Peter Schiff: "Democrat Majority Doesn't Have the Right to Steal My Money Just Because They Voted For It"'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as someone who has no wealth at all, I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Storm Thurmond, what a fantastic name and service record'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had he been British, he would have served in 2 world wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WV is a shithole?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'BAN GAY MARRIAGE ---- that is al'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mildria: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Why?  You prefer gay fornication?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he turned the channel off tho, no point in answering'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Bayer was the largest supplier of heroin before WWI, and after the war they lost the world license, and other countries started backing other companies to start manufacturing it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Afghanistan is the largest producer of heroin in the world.....thank god we invaded and took out the taliban to preserve that production. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately though, heroin only kills 100,000 people each year, so spending $2 trillion to oust the taliban to protect the heroin trade isnt worth it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the rare earth metals found there don't hurt either'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we can raid the country for its estimated $200 trillion in minerals.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'drugs are bad m'kay?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bad to whom ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or maybe we should get the hell out of there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'innocents'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so are bumble bees, should we ban those also ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'drugs are bad because they are illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp is good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their illegal because they are "bad"'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'kind of a circular argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp was worth 10x more than cotton, until cotton growers got it banned in favor of cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp is going to make a comeback someday.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I bought some hemp cords for a kid's school project yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea when togas take us by surprise again! :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bonus: it was to make a replica of an indian longhouse'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'granted, they used sinew, not hemp'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying, Ranrr, that the only thing wrong with heroin is that it is illegal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nah, that would be taking it too far'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then your last statement was flawed :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all drugs have harmful effects, both legal and illegal ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'but for some/most drugs, the war on them is far more damaging than the drug itself, to the society and the individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as for hemp, the male of the plant is used to make bags for grains outside the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I am not going to argue about the methodology of containment, but if you say that you rather hand out heroin to the masses... I think there is something not good about that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk government forced to rethink snooper's charter that records all citizens internet traffic'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did they get caught in their own web?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois public open-carry gun ban overturned by federal appeals court'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in a rare case of federal courts doing their job, mark it in your diary folks)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, speaking of controversy, I heard there was a medical study released that showed sexual preference is genetic and that the gene for it is passed through your opposite-sex parent (ie, gay sons got the gay gene from mom).'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be any number of reasons'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no gay-gene'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the oestrogen in the water can't help, either'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Was that a statistically significant correlation in a prospective study, or 100% certain? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'or it could be the human race trying to stop itself from overpopulating the earth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'statistics often lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'State Deparment spokesperson Victoria Nuland claims Bash al-Assad is responsible for the Al-Qaeda in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At least humans frequently lie about and usually misunderstand statistics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does the state department get these middle age female retards?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Are those good or bad al-qaeda?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts grins evilly at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno whether they're the good or bad al-qaeda, only that US helped arm them'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when they start shooting down nato passenger jets, they'll take more of your rights because of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dunno, I only got into the conversation in the aftermath, where the guy on the radio was talking about how awful it was that the first responses to the announcement were "see?  conversation's over, we're just born that way!" or "Being gay is the devil!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone being gay is really none of their business'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course the US helped armed them, that's what we do...we spent millions training bin ladin in the art of guerrilla warfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that was when he was the holy avenger against those nasty russians'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US also trained his group of jihadi's to fly aircraft'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that turned out well'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, Oklahoma police, facing a lawsuit, are arguing that firing a taser at pointblank range into the chest of a woman who is in the custody suite of the police station with her hands cuffed behind her back is "not unconstitutional when used to compel obedience"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that there is a sizeable minority of american police who are just bullies, or plain dumbarses'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would prefer they shoot her, or pound her with their sticks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to do either, get 2 or 3 cops and just drag her to the cell and leave her there'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compliance training is not a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'compel obedience sounds like something from 50 shades of grey'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you have handcuffed someone, and you as a police officer still don't feel safe enough to restrict your use of further force, it may just be that you have the wrong job'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they seem to like hiring thugs, perverts and paedophiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe this was a shaolin nun'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, a drunk lady'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'you never know. she might just have a shoe-knife'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'like the joker in the dark knight'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then let her cut herself in the cell'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'drunken monkey master'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I shouldn't debate after midnight..'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or it could be like Law and Order: SVU, where the holding cell is in the middle of the office.  Irate customers in a store can get obnoxiously loud, imagine what a like-minded inmate would be capable of.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would making actually working, fairly impossible'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't start pulling triggers just ebcause someone is being obnoxious'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'of course not, you get them to calm down first.  Obviously, that didn't work in this case.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't try'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty clear that the cops had not had any conflict training, else they'd know that wasn't what you do'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe if they went back to demanding above average intelligence and physical capacity for all cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then they wouldn't have any cops :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'Colonel Hanslanda could suggest a few concentration camps for special prisoners :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't take prisoners unless it's inconvenient for me not to take any.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'the thing about being a beat cop is the same thing as being a security guard- you see the same things every day to the point where you stop seeing people as people. same for surgeons and other body-invasive professions, actually.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'after a while it just becomes too dehumanizing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops here are typically far more professional than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'i have no doubt about that. but i'm sure frustration is a factor (not an excuse) in that sort of behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they shouldn't be cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you've got witless wonders like Jason Whitlock and Bob Costas on the media, gun companies couldn't be happier, their insane ramblings are great for sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if they got paid for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, they just enjoy being on TV so much they did it for free...here's your sign, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, take them off tv please'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's 'speaking out against gang culture', and there 'propoganda designed to incite race war and demonise gun ownership''
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his comments definitely fall into the latter'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, dunno who that Whitlock guy is, but I would be willing to shoot up a few tv stations if a great personality like Costas got replaced with whatever the next Honey Boo-boo was.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shoot up?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Aurora, CO style.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The NRA is the new KKK" he said..... I bet he wasn't informed enough to know that the KKK were instrumental in getting some of the very first anti-gun laws passed in order to prevent former black slaves owning firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I might even dress up like Jack Buck to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just tell him he's a faggot and smack him around the face with a dildo'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd probably like that, most NFL supporters do'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean football supporters, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like soccer in this country, good way for the masses to be parted with their cash, and exists as pointless tribalism for idiots who are too stupid to be passionate or tribal about anything real'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in a nutshell)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet you're even a Manchaser'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, union thugs beat up journalists and destroy their tents in Michigan'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'own it, Michigan'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some gun nut shot a congresswoman, crazy people do crazy things'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what were they fighting over? Michigan house passed a bill banning workplace rules that make union-membership a condition of employment for government workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like something out of the UK in the 70s and early 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a short sighted bill, unless your goal is to kill unions and depress wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by union, they mean the public-sector unions.  The ones that represent the civil servants and government workers.  Private-sector unions aren't taking part in the union violence, because private-sector unionmembers are getting fucked over alongside anyone else who's not in the public-sector unions.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not short sighted at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with killing unions, and everything to do with giving people the option to join or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you could get the benefit of the union, without paying dues that kills the unions because no one pays for free stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a petition to cease funding and support for al-qaeda in syria: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-all-funding-and-support-al-qaeda-terrorists-and-extremist-rebels-syria/R951Mygt?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then when the union is gone, and wages drop 15-20% they'll wonder what happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting unions do nothing, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these are the same people who tried to storm the state capitol because the recently-elected republican governor had the balls to balance the budget by taking away collective bargaining agreements and cushy benefits packages that not even senators enjoy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm suggesting if you could gain the benefit of the union without paying you probably wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you gain the benefit of a union without being a member, that doesn't make any sense at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that state that has Detroit going bankrupt, Hans? how dare he'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they employer isn't going to pay a higher salary just because you are in a union'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 50% bargain for more pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the other 50%'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think that's up to the individual then to decide whether to be a member of the union?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a union has value, which many do, then workers will join it voluntarily - happens here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're benefitting from the union collective bargaining by virtue of being an employee'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when union memberships fund organised crime, that is bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should you be forced to be a member of a union?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's taxation, or indoctrination'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why pay property taxes if you have no kids?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the same principle'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'public-sector unions are not the same as private-sector unions.  The difference in benefits is about the same as the generic union vs. scab (non-union) difference.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having union membership as a prequisite of employment would probably be illegal under EU law'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had they said "you may not be a member of a union if you are employed here", i'd agree with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not what's happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given all of the information available, any recruit is still likely to join the union, so what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get the benefits regardless if you are in the union or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you dispute that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get the legal representation, which is the main reason people join unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah for the legal representation, not the collective bargaining for wages/benefits/pension etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so encourage them to join the union, it should sell itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost as bad as forcing people to buy health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN you realize they made this an appropriation bill, because it would get murdered if it was voted on right'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what you mean, they voted on it, it passed'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the legislator voted on it, but it is an appropriation bill so it can't be voted on by the people in a referendum'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like proposition x y z'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'will of the people and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure if there is procedure, you could have a vote to reinstate it put on the next round of public ballets'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not as it is currently written'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'd pass anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is why they made it untouchable, the governor better use his line item veto unless he doesn't like his job anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't veto it because he knows the place is bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as things stand, you'll be lucky if you have a Michigan state by 2016'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys need to learn to pick your fights - this isn't one'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I really couldn't care less'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a government employee?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I used to live in a "right to work state"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not a government employee'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, if I were in a union that had benefits better than many lawmakers get I'd want to keep getting them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do lawmakers get any benefits at all?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my whole point, Hans, they're not stopping people joining the union, and if the union are getting such good deals, people will still join it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an entirely fabricated grievance directly aimed at preventing the removal of an absurd privaledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at hostess'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the company that unions bankrupted?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they sure did'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'had nothing to do with mismanagement or the fact the company stole the money in the pension trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions in action, they did much the same thing to the UK car manufacturing industry in the 70s and the UK coal industry in the 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and used it for day to day expenses'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and to give themselves bonuses for such a good job'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that suggests they were already insolvent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how are they paying 1.8 million in bonuses, this year'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'croney capitalism, you'll probably find that's largely irrelevent to the wider picture though'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're going through bankruptcy, i wouldn't expect them to actually get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liabilities have to be resolved before people get payouts'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the management is suspect though wouldn't you say'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, twyst, but 2 wrongs don't make a right'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are not titans of industry being brought down by their workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are incompetent unethical people who just fucked shit up'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but made sure the checks came on time'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no real protection against managerial incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you can always blame the union'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what the union did'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ceo had a company wide pay cut, guess who's pay wasn't cut'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hostess made sweets.  Sweets in the culture of the last, say, 20 years, have been demonized, and in the last 6-10 or so years obesity and unhealthy habits have been in the crosshairs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lays and coke are doing just fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're happily poisoning everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but sweets is ALL that Hostess made.  They paid other people to make non-sweets, such as loaf bread (ie, Wonder).'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ceo's pay was drastically cut, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Coca-Cola in the glass bottles are a healthy beverage (when without the plastic and aluminum poisons)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sympathetic to anger against corporate greed and croney capitalism, but it's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is this like..filtered cigarettes prevent cancer? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Real Coca-Cola isn't too bad, ironically, it's the diet stuff and coke zero that has all the carcinogens in'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are you sure abe? a quick google search shows otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bonuses were all rescinded quite a while ago, and the current CEO didn't work at hostess when that happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, I'm sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'make sure your google search didn't end up on a union website ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aspartame, other than it's carcinogenic and brain-destroying tendancies, has also been linked to weight gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Earlier this year, Hostess former CEO received a pay increase from $750,000 to nearly $2.5 million even as the company was struggling'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you always see fat people drinking diet coke'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is also no doubt that optimal soft drink consumption per year is approximately zero ounces?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just looking at soda can give you cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, tinada, drink coke, just remember it's got a shit ton of sugar in'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fat people drink diet coke more often because..diet coke makes people fatter, or fat people worry more about their calories?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Still, the company asked a judge to approve $1.75 million in bonuses for 19 executives after it filed for bankruptcy in November'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think you might be mistaken Abe, which is rare I admit'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but fat people aren't informed enough to realise this and drink, i dunno, water instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no twyst, I'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(normal: not-diet, no benzoates, no artificial sweeteners, no artificial preservatives, no plastics, no aluminum) Coca-Cola in the glass bottles and lots of aerobic exercise (speed-walking is okay)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very few people are informed enough to realize they're cannibals in the technical sense if not in the practical/obvious sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so do I trust you, or my lying eyes :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do tech people think of this? http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for that matter, very few people are informed enough to realize most of what they consume is contaminated with obvious poisons (by obvious, I mean you would know better than to consume them)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was under the impression server password protection involved anti-brute force attack mechanisms'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since it seems that serum levels of triglycerides and small ldl is largely driven by high density carb consumption, I doubt soft drinks are ok for people anywhere close to normal activity levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the amounts of training serious athletes do is unhealthy on its own, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, metal cans are first sprayed with a chemical used to make paint thinner.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure that helps prevent..blood clotting?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'Acetone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the spray is to prevent stuff sticking to the cans.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plastics are likely contributers to indolence -- those poisoned by plastics are less likely to want to do anything active'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this reminds me I was going to look for online versions of Keys 5/7 country studies, but I couldn't find anywhere that had the actual data'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also watching TV trains the viewer to wait around for the next tv show -- again, less activity'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'playing muds trains the loser to sit at a vidscreen waiting for the next quest or double ... (evil grin)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh well, i'd better get some sleep then'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like an incentive to bot :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see?  A documented benefit to botting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastling: 'hello '
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chinese woman tasered in Massachusetts for trying to buy more than one iphone'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well done!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that ppl are tasered too rarely in combination with the purchase of Apple products.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at ElFeneri, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria gets desperate, starts firing scud missiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even CNBC's news sets are against Romney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N2Z7Ds4tzco'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe it's the universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guy went to the pacquaio fight and he got knocked out '
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'News reporter punched in face by fat pro-union protestor in Lansing Mi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estate taxes supported by Buffett and Soros threaten to dispossess 526,421 family farms'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'easy write an exception for farms..'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estate taxes are fucking horrendously unfair'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is unfair about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from an equality standpoint, you're being taxed twice on the same source. From a cultural standpoint it destroys the whole principle of intergenerational continuity'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just exempt anything under 5m or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that is what they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5m was the old cap, they want to move it down to 2m while the dollar is fast devaluing'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'after that you're not continuing intergernationally'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're hoarding'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or peg it to per capita income... exempt anything under 100x per capital gdp.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably pegging it to per capita gdp is best'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'note that it's a law that will not apply to the super-rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the middle classes will get hit by it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so enforce it better'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, the super rich make the rules'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's being enforced just fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly as they intended'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay so have no law whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about get rid of it altogether?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah then buffet can give his kids 50 bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if buffett wants to give his kids 50 bill, what you got against letting him?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then they give their kids 100 bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how you're taking the side of your masters by saying that they'll evade it anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's called realism, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who needs 50 bill?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the qualitative difference between 25 and 50 bill?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same reason that when Gordon Brown stuck a 50% higher tax rate on in the UK, the tax receipts from that band dropped 6bil, and when they reduced it to 45% they went up'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your "realism" didn't get my country where it is now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by all accounts, we shouldn't even have survived... but...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Sonshi, but idealism that you are implying has got the UK where it is now.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suck it up and work harder at governance instead of whining that it's too hard. Maybe you'd actually get results.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't do governance, i do activism'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd all do a lot better with far less governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capital fled to evade taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people can flee to avoid government?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, the slaves are not allowed to leave the reservation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could probably afford a ticket to somalia...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arm for bear'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US nuclear weapons program costs taxpayers $67 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot in the ocean compared to the amount they spend killing innocent brown people abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I find you very schizophrenic sometimes TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no such thing as innocent people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think that, you're probably not listening'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taken to it's logical conclusion Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that could be used to justify 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I don't agree with things you say, therefore you must be schizophrenic", hrm'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not far from "You don't agree with <x>? You must be racist"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no, you support contradictory ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not calling you schizophrenic because I disagree with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well lets see, if 9.11 hadnt happened, we wouldnt have spent $3 trillion on 2 wars blowing people up.....and bushy could have been the 'education' president :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then tell me what are contradictory ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this coming from someone who thinks (or thought) that people are communist if they support higher taxation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are communist if they support collectivism, and a centrally planned economy'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with people who make more than $500k a year paying the top rate of 39.6%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still waiting for this contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably needs another tax bracket...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we do have another tax bracket, but it isnt being used atm.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or better yet, fix the capital gains thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 39.6 bracket is the highest one.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of increasing the standard deduction to $12,000 though...$25k for married people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state play no part in marriage'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather have a flat rate tax with no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'via krugman, BLS data shows that labour share of income is dropping'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all income should be taxed at normal rates, just make the standard deduction larger to help poorer people which is what the ladder system is supposed to do in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pish'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/01/art3full.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw deductions, everyone should pay their share, deductions are an excuse for people to fiddle the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'deductions keep you from paying taxes on unrealized gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bogus deductions are what are crippling the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flat tax would cause me to pay much less in income tax, so go for it, but I wont support it :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people who want to cut deductions are really working in the service of the wealthiest people... deductions are worth less than peanuts to those guys.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who it works for is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this whole deductions debate is just a cheap trick to pit the upper middle class against the poor.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the capital gains tax is going back to the standard rate in 2013.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait til your tax system is a fucked up as the UK's, then it'll twig why i'd call for a simple flat rate with no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our tax system is pretty fucked up as it stands'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would make sense to exempt the first 20k or so from taxation altogether... saves a lot of red tape too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i realised that when they started talking about retroactive taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as evidenced by Romney paying 13% on the tax return he was confident enough to reveal'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would also ensure a huge drop in the amount of tax collected, SOnshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, wouldn't be that much really'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the problem is the tax code is over 4000 pages long...it doesnt need to be that complicated....just increase the standard deduction, get rid of half the unnecessary deductions, and cap the capital gains tax at 20% and keep it there for 10 years, and lower the death tax to 5%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax code is weanie'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the death tax is currently almost 50% in the US for anything over $ 5million'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 6 million is taxed for 3? or 500k?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the 1m over 5m would be taxed at 50%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '500k'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so at 6 million dollars you pay an absolute 8.5%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '5m is a pretty reasonable some currently. Probably should be set at a multiple of per capita gdp though, so that it doesn't have to be adjusted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, sum'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate income tax and capital gains tax at 30%, flat rate sales tax at 15%, fueld and narctoics duties, job done'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax code 5 pages'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are still ways to reduce the tax load though....just pass some of the money to your heirs via trusts and straight giveaways....you can give $12,000 per year taxfree from your estate before you die.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'flat tax like that and you'd see the poor starve...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they'd be paying less tax than now'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'businesses would shut down, riots in the street, civil war, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that exhibits a complete lack of understanding of the UK tax system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you ease it in, maybe it'd be tolerated, but you'd be at east european development levels shortly'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part of "the poor would pay less tax than they do now" didn't you get?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poor pay 30% income tax??'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people just above the $5m death tax deduction usually put the overage in a non revocable trust that pays the heirs a % each year until it runs out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that way most of it becomes tax free.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the poor don't -pay- income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the heirs who would of course pay income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the death tax as you call it is in lieu of a wealth tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... sounds like a bad system, since that defeats the point of inheritance taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the govt gets it money eventually, just not all up front unless you have no will.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'point being that you don't want to build an increasingly large class of slackers who do nothing but live on the productivity of the rest of the country , sustained by their ancestral capital'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want to build what we have in the UK, and is happening in the US, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have a $6 million business that was left to you from your father when he died.....the first $5 million is tax free...but the last $1 million is not tax free.....how will you come up with the $500k tax....you have to pay it like 90 days after the death.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, labour share of income ought to remain above 2/3 in my opinion... or at least 60%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem, Riz, by reducing the deductable to 2mil, it's going to catch family farms and ranches in that'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why it is best to put part of the company into trust so that the payments are spread out, and not all up front.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, you don't have to demand payment immediately. The law can be structured to accomodate such cases while preserving the effectiveness'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a farm that just about pays it's way, where are you going to find all that extra?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, you have not dealt with the IRS have you?  They want their money now, not later....the only way to protect your assets is legally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the trust payout should be taxed at the inheritance tax rate though, not at the income tax level...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure, they will accept a payment plan from you, but it will still benefit them, not you.....just make it easier on yourself and get the trust.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't put a property in trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'm discussing what policy ought to be, not how it is...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for Twyst's contradiction, but it appears he was mistaken and has given up'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not a direct contradiction I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you recognize the problem and advocate for things that would exacerbate it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, i advocate things that are pragmatic and in keeping with my ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like saying that you should have a flat 30% tax on income, the poor would pay less taxes under that scheme, and the poor aren't getting taxed on income now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay how does a flat tax help the poor and middle class?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not contradiction, Sonshi, that's a statement of truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for Twyst, i'll explain'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ooookaaaay...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the majority of taxation in the UK does not come from Income tax, it comes from the myriad of other taxes, many of which are not income bsed'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that outrageous fuel tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by replacing all of the taxes with a flat rate income/CG tax and a sales tax, you do away with all of the non-income, non-expidtiture related taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the typical tax burden of someone on minimum wage is around 60%, it would drop to around 45%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what taxes are you saying should be scrapped? I don't know what you are referring to because I don't live in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gas here is at $3.04 a gallon...almost in the $2's again !'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the non-income non sales ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh... "the typical tax burden of someone on minimum wage is around 60%"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in STL, they just raised prices to $2.99 from mid 2.80s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'payroll taxes, council (property) taxes, fuel duty, duty on wines spirits and fags, taxes on electricity, green levies, death duties'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the normal trend continues as usual, I expect it to drop to below 2.75'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you benefit from the influx of north dakota oil....because of obama....Texas isnt atm, except for what is sent in by rail.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how can this be Obama is bad for oil...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no no, because of obama, texas is not benefiting from the north dakota oil....but we are producing 40% more oil per year because of our own shale oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since he cancelled that keystone pipeline.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that pipeline cancellation is what has screwed over the oil industry'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I work in the Oil industry, they are doing plenty fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia doesn't have the same beurocratic and ideological hangups'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll always do fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as oil stays above $30 a barrel, the public oil companies will do just fine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the govt owned ones that will hurt when the price drops.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gov't owned oil companies? you mean like the international ones, afaik there are no government owned companies in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did I happen to say usa govt owned oil companies?  nope.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuel is just under $7 a gallon atm thanks to a weak gbp'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, not always.  Wait until battery tech explodes.  Oil's doing fine for one reason and one reason only: none of the competition is anywhere close to the level of dependancy and efficiency as oil and it's related processed components.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'battery tech hasnt changed in 100 years.....I doubt it will change much in the next 20 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's essentially liquid plastic.  Without plastic, our world ends in an hour (forget about tomorrow).'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world will end in 9 days unless you give up all your money and rights to Al Gore'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, actually, more like 3 days....the US has a 3 day supply of stuff then we start running out in the stores....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big trucks delivery everything in the US....we depend on them for everything....in 3 days...collapse.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would make sense to have an alternative to oil then wouldn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would, but like I said, nothing is anywhere close.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas works for me until we find something better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is 2/3 cheaper than diesel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps algae bio diesel will replace regular diesel in time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps a hybrid electric bio diesel engine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or we could invest in finding an even better solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hydrogen still depends on fossil fuels to access.  There was a space issue, too, but it's not a big concern anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the sun gives of more energy in 1 second, than has been used by mankind ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately I do not see the US going to hydrogen anytime in the future since it is so fearful that a hydrogen plant could go up like a hydrogen bomb.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'almost none of which we can actually use'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is extremely inefficient....makes more sense to use concentrated solar power plants, and not the panels.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get the price of solar panels to $1 a watt though, and there will be a power revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the ICE is inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also you're missing the point, the investment would be to find ways around these problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a sky full of overcrowded flight plans, we probably don't need to be shooting down death rays from space.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, so that the chinese can steal the designs, and then build them really cheap after we spend billions designing it...no thanks....let them spend the investment, we can focus on bigger and better things....like nanotech.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just use what we have and research new stuff over time'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'attobots, attack!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '100 years ago people got around primarily on horses, cities like new york and chicago were drowing in horseshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it always looks impossible until it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have realized all that horse shit makes methane.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, I googled "solar power price per watt" and the first result that came up was titled "Buy Solar Panels from 58˘ Per Watt"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but I mean solar panels installed for $1 a watt....installation currently adds $2 a watt :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, very little methane is in shit.  The biggest chemical is something else, and it's that chemical that's primarily the cause of why shit stinks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'import cheap labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Germans know how to run a country....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'investing over time != do nothing, and investing over time!= bankrupting everyone by sticking huge climate levies on everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have socialist policies...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am a social capitalist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not hard! All you have to do is convince your neighbours to join a monetary union that you more or less control to your advantage!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxation in germany is much lower than US or UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and their social nets are much broader and actually ask you to participate, not sit at home watching oprah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do have a 41% payroll tax though'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Tax rates in germany from 0-45% average 29.8'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wow, so 41% payroll tax, which is lower than in the us or uk. Ok.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the german apprentice program.....they currently have 31,000 openings right now because they cant find enough young germans to join.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on top of income taxes, vat...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"can't find enough people to join" is code for "they're not paying enough"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, they pay quite well after the training ends.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies moan about not being able to find enough workers all the time, when what they mean is that they aren't willing to pay enough to get the workers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you get free medical care with no deductible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"quite well" is relative'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of going to college, you go to a govt training program that lasts 3-4 years with a company like Ford or BMW'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are all things that will supposedly destroy America as per the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where you learn how to become an engineer, or something else for the company.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't most countries have stuff like that anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...they have small programs, or union based training programs'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes called "streaming"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a large country based apprentice program'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does 29.8% average income tax + 41% payroll tax equate to an overall average tax burden of 39%? dodgy stats wins!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technical schools?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you pay for technical schools.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i make that nearer 60%, which is pretty much similar to UK tax burden'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e "way too fucking high"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are millions of jobs in the US market that nobody is applying for.  It's a combination of factors, including experience standards and an unwillingness to invest time/money in entry-level applicants.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if the govt's running them!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but you said they had lower tax rates than US and UK and we disagreed w/ you'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, not too much'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the headline rate is lower'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was reading about one girl who was in the german apprenticeship program....she finished grade school and joined the govt run apprenticeship program...right out of school she was making $2000 a month plus free healthcare, and on the job training from Ford.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they need highly-experienced workers, now, not a couple years down the road after customer relationships in a bad market have been damaged.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus free room subsidized by Ford and the govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when he graduates from the program she will be a full union member of the Ford design team in europe with a base pay of around $35 an hour plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one reason why younger people treat these programs at a discount is that some know that acquiring skills specific to one company or industry will mean that there's a good chance of getting screwed over in negotiations later...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still generally good for the economy, of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unions are really strong in Germany, unlike the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they as corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, pretty much everyone in Germany is pro union, because most of the jobs are union.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unions are really strong here.  Vast sections of some markets are union-only.  It's actually illegal for companies to hire non-union workers there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are largely pointless here, some offer some useful legal cover, but that's about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and most trade unions are nepotistic.  You're not getting in unless you know someone, but technically you're free to apply.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our trade union congress back home runs large businesses. I'm not sure how they're supposed to be a union.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am pretty much pro union, except for the teachers union, or any union that allows someone to double or triple dip.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pro-union provided membership is voluntary'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally voluntary unions ends up being no unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the teachers union protects crappy teachers because of the tenure system.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also provided their action doesn't get in my way'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't support compulsory churches, why would you support compulsory unions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'voluntary membership isn't always voluntary, especially if there's collective bargaining involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should offer teachers a deal... double their pay in exchange for disbanding their unions for the next two decades.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a non-compulsory union is no union, it couldn't be much cop'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Rise and Fall of Great Empires.....good book....most large empires usually bankrupt themselves because they overextend themselves fighting unnecessary wars or defending lands far off that have nothing to do with them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who you could possibly be referring to, Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno if that's true so much anymore, given how much globalism has pervaded our culture.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess we will find out when the US debt reaches $25 trillion.....about $11 trillion from now. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will the $11 trill extra make any difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what's more frightening is how fast we'll go through that 11 trillion'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd think it'd take years, but it won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, we can go anywhere pretty much instantly, we can position forces locally pretty much anywhere, stuff/people from everywhere come here, and so forth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a couple of % uptick in growth with realistic taxation and the debt dissappears'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably take 10 years to get to 25 trillion at the rate we are currently going.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the deficit this year will be around $1.1 trillion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the world would get seriously messed up if a nation took to proper isolationist responsibilities.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd also have to curb spending, and not increase it as you work down the debt, which won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob be lower next year. and there on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot more than 10 years, actually, unless some crazy guy (coughgopcough) starts another war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be less than 10 years if you keep voting monkies in'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the DoD is killing the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like cancer'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with expenses from the wars expected to tail off, slow economic recovery, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as oil and gas ramps up though, and more good jobs are made.....the deficit will start going down like it did during clinton years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even that, Raz.  Our entire society is based on the moving and selling of goods and services.  If the bidirectional trap switched to a unidirectional flow, someone's going to panic hard.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve your deficit instantly by changing your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone non crazy like clinton gets a couple of terms after this, the deficit should be fixed in 10 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could get 100 predator drones for each of those new raptor f-22 jets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahem'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the whole point is not how to spend the money more efficiently, but not to spend it all'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'predators are so obsolete now.  So many more and cooler toys the DoD boys don't want you to have.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unmanned warfare if the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather is the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what's the point of spending 10 times more than #2 when #2-15 are you're friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you stopped blowing up brown people, you wouldn't need to spend all that money'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is a brown person ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is that an alien ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'africans and westerly asian people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'primarily afghan or pakistani, riz, but is a blanket term to cover africans too'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arabs are not brown...they are olive. :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you stopped blowing them up and wrecking their countries, they might hate you a bit less, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they should be hating you guys instead, since you started the whole problem in the first place. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until their food sources dry up or drown, then they'll help us for not helping out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, hate us.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they will always have the chinese to sell oil to.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people used to hate the british colonialists... until they realised that they were simply incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US now has more oil resources than Saudi Arabia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least the debate has progress from "they hate us for our Freedom"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that idiot chavez saying he is going to cut off the US from venezuelan oil....hello....he sells 48% of his oil to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a couple more decades of gearing-up and we'll in practical terms be pushing out more oil than them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he's not an idiot for saying that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when he's obviously not considering actually doing anything like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the international market won't care if the US stops buying oil.  We just don't buy enough of it to make an impact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'venezuala used to sell much more to the US, but chavez commie ways has lowered oil production by almost 50% in the last 8 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't purely caused by Chavez.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it was, he stopped investing in the oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nationalized most of the oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that orinoco field is one of the largest in the world....over 400 billion barrels of recoverable heavy high sulphur oil, but he booted out Exxon, the company that had the technology to extract the heavy oil, from the country and nationalized the field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he also moved the country half an hour in time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even the world court says what Venezuala did was wrong, and that they owe Exxon somewhere around $10 billion for its investment in the field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good that the domestics can pour cash into domestic oil and gas supplies though.....it just makes more sense to extract the energy here at home while we can before fusion power takes over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The F-35 program is slated to cost $1.5 trillion over its lifetime'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a waste of money.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I wonder how many species in the history of the universe perfected killing themselves without ever escaping their destined solar annihilation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but we if we get attacked by space aliens like in Independence day or Transformers :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if our current understanding of the universe is correct, then based on what we already know apparently all of them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cutting Pentagon spending recognizes that national security is more than military power. The United States is stronger with a strong economy, sustainable jobs, investment in education, renewal of our infrastructure and a sensible energy strategy. Continuing to waste money when our nation should have other priorities is bad policy and bad for security.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'successful or not, nobody's going home when they invade another planet.  Unless "home" happens to be in a same star system being invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was being facetious of course the f-35 and f-22 is a big ass waste of money'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so far as we know, the only thing that can move faster than light is space-time itself (the "container" for everything else we are aware of in the universe).'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the fed reserve is going to spend $45 billion of new debt each month to buy debt.....I love this economic policy....but it does make sense....you buy old debt with high interest rates with new debt at lower interest rates and save money overall.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're buying up mortgages iirc'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should save $18 billion a year and shut down the DEA.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we should save $3,000,000,000,000 a year and shut down the USA...'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a landowner in northwest louisiana won the natgas lottery.....he was paid a bonus check of $1.27 million, and gets 25% of the production value of the wells on his land.....putting the natgas value of his property at $225 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He was also lucky to have WET gas production with the wells on his land.....making it much more valuable.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DRY natgas production is down almost 50% in the US right now because of a natgas glut......use more gas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You watch a beaver's gills ruffle as Santher shrieks, "GILLFREAK!!"
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of crap in the news tonight, you've got the left wing media in Colorado putting own some pretty absurd pot scare stories where clearly the journo writing it hasn't done their research'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentina is in hyperinflation'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Harry Belafonte proved live on TV why marxists should be seen and not heard'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh yeah, and Psychiatrists new manual, DSM5 classifies human emotion as a mental order. Just what the liberals need to imprison everyone and take their guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps being a psychiatrist should be classified as a mental disorder, after all, there's historical precedent'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, spat is forming about Russia involvement in the poisoning of an MI6 ex-Russian agent'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and UK government coughs up $3.5m to a Libyan dissident who was illegally "deported" to Libya to be tortured by the Gadaffi regime. The settlement has not stopped another victim pressing for a court case, so looks like they'll need to cover it up in court, or kill the man'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ratings agency puts UK on "negative outlook" but remains AAA rated'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA block UN internet treaty, treaty would give every signatory country equal say in development, clearly would stifle USA/UK's ability to spy on others'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i went to do some work at a childrens centre on the local army base here a few years back, was confronted with guards with machine guns, wasn't a terribly endearing experience'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how nice, the new death tax in 2013 will be 55% on anything over $ 1 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'what is death tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if you die before they fix the estate tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'inheritance tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'so when you leave money to relatives it is taxed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure is'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it doesnt matter if it is a business or cash'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'wow, people are sick. Is that UK too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tax is the same and it is due 90 days after you die.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'inheritance taxes serve a purpose'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'keep us from become pre revolution france'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'for amounts over about ome million. I think this year it was only on amounts over about 5 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if you are a professional gambler in UK you don't have to pay any tax '
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if you made a bet with your relative for their net worth that they'd die, I don't see how UK can enforce payment of death tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it wouldn't work in the US though. They really hate gamblers in US and tax everything.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'professional gambling is a legal profession in the US though, and as long as it is your profession according to your tax return, you can deduct the losses from your winnings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yup, in UK it doesn't even count as a proper profession.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular people can deduct 5% of gambling losses from income also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, 5% of income can be deducted by gambling losses....another 5% can be deducted by giving to charity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there are loopholes everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not that I'm overly interested in tax-evasion, I pay all the tax that I'm required to'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you all sign the petition calling for the US to build the Death Star?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Hanslanda ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'nah we're working on the debt star right now, death star won't be started for...10 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Won't a Death Star attract Rebel Alliance fighers and other terrorists?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'but yeah, we're planning on assembling the death star soon as we disassemble the overpaid US military. then inviting all muslim extremists over for a white house supper!'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably not.  It'd be more pointless than a nuke.  At least you could potentially use a nuke.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hear drones are cheaper than death stars'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't really potentially use a nuke'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'rofl we absolutely can potentially use a nuke. no clue why that's even on debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be beyond retarded'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'using one won't blow the planet into rocky ruin, though, which is what the Death Star is designed to do.  Don't think it has a low-power setting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more interesting is..in which situation would it be beneficial for the US to use nuclear weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is none, you'd have to be mentally challenged'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anywho, the deadline for formal response from the White House is tomorrow and the Death Star petition made the cut.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you can use conventional wapons (say, funny bunker busting bombs with totally safe depleted uranium) to destroy almost anything, there doesn't seem to be much use'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aside from Nagasaki and Hiroshima?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless time travel is possible, we are talking about today are we not or in the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'In the vent shaft that goes to the power generator. We will need an automatic sealing system to detonate any rogue missiles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'then we should be solid'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..do I need to look at the NIC report on global trends'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the world today is slowly coming to recognize that the nuclear deterrant is merely a bluff backed by a very real and obviously devastating capability.  That said, I suppose it would be within calculated loss limits to use one in a potential conflict where we prove we weren't bluffing.  Trouble is, nobody's yet brave enough to actually test the bluff.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sounded good though'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'rofl, mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the nukes we have today make nagasaki and hiroshima look like bottle rockets'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sure do'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'W88 is around 250 times more powerful'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so even though we might not be in the blast radius, nuclear winter is a very real possibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so was Y2K...'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if not for us, than one of our various allies'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using a nuclear weapon is the equivalent of tossing a grenade in a room you are currently occupying...i.e not feasible'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to wonder if gun manufacturers are behind mass shootings'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why?  so states pass law banning the products they sell?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro SMACKS Tigernuts upside the head, wonder what he did.
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the result of these is only to push gun sales up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if that actually happens, its temporary b/c people are afraid the states will ban sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Obama has sold more guns than anything the gun manufacturesr could cook up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can bet your arse that it'll turn out the gunman was on a cocktail of prescription antidepressants'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'good bet'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet it's "too soon" to talk about gun control?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but no, let's blame guns, not blame the stupid way that MDs fuck people's lives up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they force people to eat pills?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people trust doctors'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(wrongly imho)'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '22 children slashed by knife-wielding adult at elementary school in China'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe time to consider arming the staff'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just caught the new from CT. One of the collateral damages of the massacre is that we can't even say "unbelievable' any longer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'news*'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm waiting for one of the wonkier news channels to start having a high score table'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Shouldn't be long before some numbskull has something lugubrious to say about the "senseless" killings, as opposed to what? All the sensible ones?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Didn't understand that, Tiger. High score table?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bodycount, rhavage'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who has the most devastating massacre'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, ok, gotcha.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if those kids had guns though'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what is propogated via culture, whether it's gangster culture on mtv, or violent video games that they let youngsters play '
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't disagree with that. We're so desensitized.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add to that all the prescription drugs they force on people these days, add it a bit of Facebook, materialism, and godlessness, and you have a perfect storm'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, considering that there's not much of anything that Obama could have said, what he just *did* say was as good as it could be.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame Obama isn't quite so interested in all the innocent brown people his administration blows up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have to pick your battles TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they might accuse you of attacking the second amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'remember the Pussy Riot band in Russia?  if you go to tubegalore.com on the prison section, there's a video claims to have them in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure glad not russian huh, got some ideological conformity to conform to and all though, freedom of thoughtcrimes etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not unique to there though, just seen a article the other day from alabama claims the prison guards there were raping them all for years'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i dont think removing people's right to lawfully possess weapons is a solution to the problem, since criminals will invariably have weapons available to them for decades to come - things like burning a book versus burning down several churches and dismembering the 'unbeliever' seem more like the problem to me - and building laws around their 'sensitivities' as you see them complain about yule/christmas and things as being horrendous to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe requiring gun lockers instead of having them strewn around etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i notice on latimes that there's an article about the type of person he is, shy/timid - i wondered what he was thinking when i sat behind him in class, he wouldn't meet my eyes - this is the asocial used in nazi germany history stories though, depending on how they're trying to evolve - as long as they don't take advice from the grand mufti of jerusalem or classify people based upon what they know not , what they have in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol @ the mexicans stopping their bridge decorations for a week when the pope comes -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117178/Mexican-drug-cartel-leaves-10-severed-heads-street-warning-rivals-week-Popes-visit.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's demented, jesus has that kind of affect on people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he should move there so they stop a little longer'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'new jerusalem is a place called munster germany, (pronounced monster) haha, they hung it's inhabitants in cages still hanging from a church there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nice to see you back, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'liberal conformity to foreign muslim alteration of your laws, anti-semitism accusations feared with prison time, medial support for 'war on terror' missing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini somehow?  isn't that interesting, according to this article, he was schooled in catholics silent mexico in turkey, and advised adolf hitler and mussolini during world war 2, also being a original member of muslim brotherhood, which america seems to be supporting, while being led by several jewish administrators'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's almost too big of a detail to miss isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be fiction too though, they provide alot of reference material'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism notice any similarities to any systems in your life or observe in others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nother interesting 'hai' -> see what they may study in sweden and taiwan , 'dehumanization fictionalization' in google, Humanity Dehumanized: Fordian and Freudian Models in Huxley's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh great. It's an early Christmas curse, I mean present. The Lord of the Tinfoil Hats: The Return of Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tinfoil hat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20622289 Swedish artist uses 'ashes from Holocaust victims''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe bbq potatoe haha'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and? There are actual laws in Sweden which will see him prosecuted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how you make them, in tinfoil'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "U.S. Citizen Adam Lanza massacred kids!" means the U.S. hatse kids.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i looked up queen of sweden cause there was woman on internet who claimed to be royalty there and seen she comes from  , like people say bush conspiracy steel factory nazi, same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems there was some kind of scandal about her awhile back'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, you're probably right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't there currently a case of a cannibal lady who kept skulls, bones and other parts of human bodies in her home but the police are having a difficult time pinning her for crimes because her jurisdiction doesn't have a unilateral law that makes it criminal to disturb someone's remains without their consent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, she'd be appearing in right as we speak.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you on about now, Chemosh? The Queen of Sweden is of German descent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only scandals involving her is that her father may or may not have been a Nazi and that she somehow has an inexplicably inability to get rid of her German accent when speaking Swedish.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But let's perpetuate random rumors you're not even clear on yourself for the sake of discrediting someone else because apparently making their (symbolic) regents look bad somehow reflects badly on them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but tinfoil hat was the mention of it with george bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even understand what you're on about about tinfoil hats and George W. Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh hey Chemosh!  Been a while since you've been around.  Have you banished the demons yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The tinfoil hat comment had absolutely nothing to do with what you just said (nor was there anything in there indicating such a link). It was about your overall penchant for embracing every single conspiracy theory in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see they study it in estonia too though'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ';)'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Chemosh, just a heads up. If someone maligns U.S. citizens for electing George W. Bush (1.5 times!), it's not really a prudent response to malign their regents.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, you see, people don't actually elect their regents in the Real World (tm). They are either born or married into such families.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they have a source, either in deceit or misconception or accuracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'getting to the root of things is what i'm interested in'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaand that made absolutely no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like yuri bezmenov in his kgb defector video about 82% of the kgb's resource spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'disinformation , ideological subversion, normalization, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know about the hereditary system of slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think that nurse really killed herself for receiving  a prank call?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'remember the mid-eastern doctor talking of the problems the reporters must have been facing in their 'gutted' feelings, and how terrified and sincere they were on their followup interview, like a wet bag of cocaine extracted from a spanish smuggler's tits on the heel's of 'crack and heroine being better than alcohol''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice psychologist knows it all what they're thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they really killed themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'conspiracy by the Royal family?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about the unknown, but they know who they are if i'm right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a far-out conspiracy: 1804 haitian genocide of the remaining french, 1960-1980 visit by king of ethiopea to receive necklace of man who did that genocide, ark of covenant (old testament) in coptic ethipoean church, zuma's speech on being blessed by heaven until jesus returns (new testament)'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, there's always new jerusalem renamed to munster to 'roll up as a scroll' the verifying unbelievers of nondeception'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another one is 'pearl harbour' genesis 9:11 covenant on floods (ot), mentioned as waters are people's in the book of revelation (nt), mobilization of america to war google search 'kickthemallout dual citizen' look at report mentioned on page if it's real or not, mandatory circumcision of the flesh practiced in america and canada from 1960-1990 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some conspiracy's that i thought were pretty amazing, like that 'syria danny' from england'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting*'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another thing i noticed is that the places muslims consider sacred 'black muzlim or not' were once centers of so-called historical significance of other belief systems, like the mount where jesus spoke from is one of those, also another in saudi arabia - the third i'm not sure of'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's holiness seems to be 'my god is bigger than your god, see, we replaced him with ours''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fighting terrorism, human trafficking, illegal drug trafficking. http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73753 hmm, only first said fighting, but maybe it's inclusive of the rest with statues in mexico haha http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/azerbaijan/index.html see some israel but no vatican hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're probably not up to no good though, i just thought the wording was funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But the main question in any expert assessment is taken from Griboyedovs "Woe from Wit" - "Who are the judges?" http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73765 Freedom House = Coldwar House?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'No one understands the seriousness of what has happened, he said. Now it is fashionable to go to demonstrations. They are taking a risk without fully understanding the risk which exists. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/world/europe/young-and-connected-office-plankton-protesters-stir-russia.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why it's no good to go on protests or be connected to anything like this computer which records every single thing you do on it, things like the 1930's extermination of thought-criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen about that like .. 18 years ago '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's what he means, what about you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the country will take the road to the creation of the second USSR. http://news.am/eng/news/132657.html see where this is heading'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human rights museum in canada any relation to future USSR?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidmore_College (female school in new york), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Predock , In his testimony the Senior Research Fellow for Russian and Eurasian Studies and International Energy Policy, The Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies -- i was talking about building museum of human rights next to white house on yahoo about 8 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tldr'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'frankfurt german, east german (stasiland) assistant secretary of state is interesting too, i geuss he wasn't turned russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they didn't take me by surprise, hey?  i see that genocide murdercult my whole life like the movies about the ghetto's in ww2'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm thankful to not have reproduced into the slave factory of corpsepiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the threat that kept the employees developing the museum from being able to talk about theikr experiences there '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the communist russian scum that i thought they was'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it soviet, whatever they were that gulag death camp people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like baroness cox keeps her mouth shut on evil islam for Azerbaijan , which cooperates with iran, as it operates texas comptrollers, while meeting in early 2013 with the second ussr politician from armenia'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'get help'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i took from it anyways, and their 'occupied lands' new world order meeting with subordinate military's from united states, china, russia and other countries in their military education facility'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they hand the credentials to the obedient king of belgium'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73296 see, why europe is an islam now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics?page=4 look through it, that's what i seen from it - i could be misinterpreting but i doubt in the good intentions of anybody'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if they got links to something i invented'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, notice how many things they have planned for 2013'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Working group of US congress on Azerbaijan expands to 42 people http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73372'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73327 The military attaches of the United States, Russia, Turkey, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Iran, China, Ukraine, Georgia, Pakistan, Czech Republic, Belarus, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Latvia, Holland, Poland, Austria, Finland, Hungary, Zimbabwe met at the military unit of the country as part of the briefing on the peacekeeping division.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how do you interpret that? '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Attaché is a French term in diplomacy referring to a person who is assigned ('attached') to the diplomatic or administrative staff of a higher placed person or another service or agency. Depending on custom, 'attaché' may be modified to correspond to the gender (i.e., 'attachée').'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: '^'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe in death'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and these're all people with all kinds of administrative authority to cause it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'The day you were born you started dying'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'Accept it as your fate and move on'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mexico's consiered one of their 'occupied lands' which filed the lawsuit against yahoo which closed it down through their 'yellow pages' court case, '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with statues and things like drug trafficking and human trafficking mentioned in an article'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause statues from there in mexico are sacred'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, search and ye shall find right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to know that the devil is beyond human fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet they never thought i'd find the process of that museum and all of the filth surrounding it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you are a mastermind'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'underestimating the power of einsteins ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzy_Asper is a closer link to the museum though, the other way wasn't 'anti-semitic'  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CanWest The CMHR was the dream of CanWest founder Izzy Asper as a place where students from across Canada could come to learn about human rights.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_for_Human_Rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously man get a grip'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think got a good one there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if only we were all our own countries and could have started this game from scratch'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that?  the son of musicians who had emigrated from the Ukraine. -> USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_O._Melia ->  (born May 28, 1957 in Frankfurt, Germany) is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, at the United States Department of State.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you on a commie hunt, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chemosh is cracking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'east germany frannkfurt -> Stasi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi -> The Ministry for State Security (German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, MfS), commonly known as the Stasi (IPA: [??t??zi?]) (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official state security service of the German Democratic Republic or GDR (informally known as East Germany). It has been described as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how far back debate history goes'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out, i just put it up for conversation since it's all public sector'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like finding that museum without running the thought-terminating 'anti-semitic' cliche'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wasn't racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's like seeing one half of a conversation'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah commie hunt, you might see it in history -h or not but look on www.tubegalore.com in their prison section, remember the pussy riot protestors of mary'sputin from russia and look what kind of a video that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that's what i always expected, that's what they got in mind for things like that human rights museum, like the genocide of the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i suspect anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hunt the good hunt at least, i seen what nobody else acknowledges'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Officials had originally hoped to open the museum in 2012, but later set a goal of finishing construction in 2012 and opening in 2013. -- another 2013 for confirmation'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're waiting till 2014 now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looks like from that, most american debt is actually foreign nation's debts'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most american debt is fake derivatives signed onto by the banks'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if foreign nation's cia's like the ussr are the ones installing themselves into all the financial decision making spots?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, i'd say that wasn't their debt then, that's the ussr's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not foreign nations, it's bankers'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have to pay themselves back'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from countries they belong in'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessary related toa country, they're globalists, they don't care about countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll play the USSR off just like they do USA and Europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are factions, granted, some might be originally american, some may be originally russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest group atm is american/european'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JP Morgan, Goldman Sacchs'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'traitors shouldn't incur debt on the majority of people who don't lead themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was talking to an engineer/fabricator friend who works for a medium sized food production company, like everywhere else, there's now a culture of 'management', there is nobody who knows how to do anything anymore, we only have a management class and a drone class'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an accurate synonym to what is happening in the wider world'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follows parallels to the USSR in the early 20th century'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see it most obviously in government departments and public service where we continually end up getting less and less and less for more and more money'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i couldn't afford to choose to go to school to do something useful, but at least i see more why now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless now, everything is owned by government/corps, where's it going to get you? can't afford property in this day and age'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you might in certain parts of america, but likely to be dispossessed by the state sooner or later'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go live in a shoebox shoehorned in on top of all the other serfs, sit down, shut up, and do what your god and master tells you'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. Well, I'm sitting on 37 acres in upstate NY, right in the heart of dairy country. I'm having a difficult time imagining why the government would dispossess me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you're in a zone earmarked for "no human habitation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you'll probably be fine except for the ever higher property taxes and usage limitations'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm certain that I'm not. This is all croplands and woods.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it is doesn't matter, you'll need to check the agenda 21 plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't deny that the taxes here are pretty steep, though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll get higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the thing about collectivism, they intend to "collect" it all'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agenda 21?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN-centric plan for USA for land usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many cities in the USA already have A21-based expansion and building plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'just googling it now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US runs the UN'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://034515a.netsolhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Agenda-21.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US provides funding and is on the permanent Security council'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, US is being fed off'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US single handedly shields Israel from all scrutiny, how can they be run by the UN'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have literal control'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing in absolute'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes no literal control, but the UN can't touch the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need to, it's being bankrupted by it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US is being bankrupted by the attempt at Hegemony'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and our psuedo Aristocracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not 'yours''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, that's why you don't get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these people you think are american aristocrats have absolutely no allegience to the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a big fat tick'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a vampire'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think they screwed up the economy in the first place? they had their own interests in mind, not the people, not the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can agree w/ that'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the Goldman Sachs gang that now runs all the central banks in the EU states, EU central banking, World bank, and high level foreign policy think tanks like the Trilateral Commission, you think they have the people's interests at heart?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are going to see collectivism dressed up as socialism at a low level, but in reality at the higher level it will be corporate fascism, combination of government and banking/insurance corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare was one such instance, we already have our healthcare system subverted in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'central banks have been subverting by corporate banking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they only need control of the purse'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it then doesn't matter what you or i think, nothing short of revolution stops it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'purse and foreign policy have been under their control since Reagan'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obamacare is about the 30+ million uninsured Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's why you see them pulling out all the stops to distract the 'little folk' with shinies, anything to distract them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about creating a monopoly market for health insurance providers and pharma corps'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want you to believe it's about the 30+ million uninsured Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because the douchenozzle republicans would never go for single payer'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were about 30+ million uninsured Americans it would be government run insurance'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't about republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're a bunch of dumbarses who do what they're told, no different to the liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only good thing is that you are starting to see some civil liberty blowback, both here in the UK and in the US, but it's awfully little, awfully late, and often mistargeted'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well i will agree about their divide and conquer strategies'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your only chance, as the USA, is to try and get good, constitutional people in at a state and local level and flex your muscles with the  10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never gonna happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll notice Obama came out and said he wasn't going to openly target Colorado and Washington for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he knows he can't have a fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he doesn't need to'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are two ways to look at it and you look at it that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'another interpretation is he is paying lip service to the law when he doesn't give a shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally he might not, which is fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and potentially favors decriminlization'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if he -was- to pick a fight, it would bring up all those supporters of pot and they'd all hitch onto the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which gives it massive advertisement - most people don't know what it is, what it's for'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the tenth amendment is a good check on federal gov'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but state gov's are not miraculously better'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice that some people, mostly republicans who don't like decriminalisation, have come out and (wrongly) said that states can't overturn laws from congress?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 10th ammendment and the 18th ammendment crucify that standpoint'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's absolutely no case'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but they are hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i know, which is why people need to be told, they need to understand, from the lowest to the highest level'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it doesn't fracture along party lines because there are some in both parties against the decrim'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a large percentage of american probably think africa is a country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing to tell them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they must learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have to at least try'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i go on about the constitution so much, it's nothing to do with left/right, or tax ideology, that's all open to discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution, the whole point of it is to protect the people against government'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for American's it's like having a superweapon sitting in the draw and most people don't even know it's there, or what it does'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it's a lost cause'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that why they seem to try to make people exceedingly stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Winston Churchill said it best'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, then you're all screwed, and i'll be screwed, just later'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know what they said about Winston Churchill, right?  It takes an organizational genius to create a shortage of fish and oil on an island surrounded by both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but he was emminently quotable'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to be fair, so what Hitler.  I don't think Churchill would've made a bad Hitler, all in all.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe genius, but i keep things like this in mind too: "The Engineering of Consent" is an essay by Edward Bernays first published in 1947.[1] He defines "engineering consent" as the art of manipulating people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'specifically, the American public, who are described as "fundamentally irrational people... who could not be trusted."'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not neccessarily very smart if you pick on people before they learn how to know better, to be manipulated'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics, in general, operates on that central tenet, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Propoganda" by Edward Bernays is on my xmas present list'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, off for some riffs, defending makes my eyes go funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, did you see what I did there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Greenberg et al. (1990)[20] had Christian participants evaluate other Christian and Jewish students that were similar demographically, but differed in their religious affiliation. After being reminded of their death (experimental MS induction), Christian participants evaluated fellow Christians more positively, and Jewish participants more negatively, relative to the control condition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory mad science huh?  http://www.skidmore.edu/'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other one had something about palestinians on it, similar to the 2010 movie, the killing room, i'll seee if i can dig it up again and put it here'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actor in paranormal activity went to school there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Solomon one of their masterminds on psychology'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_from_Death In a recent study, the research team discovered that reminding Palestinians of their own death through subconscious means inspired conscious shifts in opinion towards wanting to become suicide bombers.[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(2009 instead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Room check it out if you're into a interactive psychological horror novel, maybe them saying it's not fiction in the movie is fictional'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'an armed country is a country where the nazi's have to watch their backs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see a bunch of crazy countries with bombs and stuff can shoot them 15,000 kilometres and watch you from the sky and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why guns should be illegal, since they're not the only way to kill somebody, but are the main one used by organized killers'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also by disorganized killers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crooks get their guns anyways, like if a crook is in a place with a bunch of unarmed toothless wolves he can take over the pack by holding a gun to it's leaders head and threatening to bite, and the other wolves wouldn't dare approach - but if they had teeth then that wouldn't be a guarantee'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like even in b.c canada, they found a rpg weapon in the bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'military or crate from some other country from america'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smartening people up intellectually along with social oppression decreasing would be a more acceptable solution to the problem that won't go away'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Hello Chemosh, you are back!'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned, i should be able to go to the store and purchase every single arms type ever sold from here to another country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Destructive grenades--frags, incendiaries, white phosphorus--are a totally different story. They are classed as Destructive Devices. To get one you need to file a form, get approval from the sheriff, get fingerprinted, go through a background check and pay a $200 tax for every grenade you want. It's not worth it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_civilians_buy_grenades'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's ok to sell to strangers in africa and other places cause they'll just use them on eachother or you'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered how come america wouldn't let canada have a military, anybody know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably like they made sure they can't havea weapons either'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'canada does have a military, Chem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the nuclear and atomic and hydrogen bombs and stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe there is none hmm, like second hand subs from britain'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'chem.. you might want to take your nationalism bull elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cost of manufacturing a jet using all of the available information and capitalizing on it would be alot cheaper than 95 million dollars too'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 180'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nationalize some raw material sources and start up a factory for a fraction of the cost and a indefinite increase on security from trusting the traitor internationalists'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'raise employment rate at the same time, have some extra money to spend on education'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what they should be doing, phasing out foreign monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/video-captures-rapid-gunfire-at-fashion-island-mall-.html another 'mass-shooting' except this time nobody got hurt, that's weird isn't it?  4 in a year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's no more of a mass shooting than new year's, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'new years?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then mans new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so murdercultists like run the world today are doing a good service to mankind, in their un-natural butcher shop of inherited worth, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Heavy oil refineries on the gulf coast of the US are currently running at 81% because of a lack of heavy crude oil which normally comes from Venezuela and Mexico......that keystone pipeline needs to be built so that the refineries can get back to 95% or higher production rates.  Production in mexico and venezuela are expected to keep dropping, creating a huge window of opportunity for canadian heavy oil exports to the US gulf coast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://panicend.com/de.html that's pretty coold look at fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article on google awhile ago that claimed north korea torpedoed the gulf rig and that was covered up'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably lies though, there was also the article i found on google for 'great war korea' that claimed it threatened a new world war before the us and korean elections in october'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And they probably used a rubber ducky since that is the only north korean boat that can actually float.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think so?  i'm not sure about them people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it took them 20 years to launch a missile correctly, I seriously doubt they have the naval power to launch a long distance submarine program.  Few wealthy nations can do it today, let alone the cuba of asia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but they're directly connected to russia and china, who seem to have their hands in everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also one of the oldest surviving nations on earth at over 2500 years, behind china at over 3500 and egypt at around 6000'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china and russia are not going to sell nuclear submarines to north korea, and if they did, we would know about it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the satellite age, no one launches a submarine without others knowing about it, and it wouldnt surprise me if we had routine spy satellites watching over that area all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i guess, i've never seen what kind of security a nation has and how trustworthy it is - but i did see alot of possibilities with technology that are to avoid detection and stuff, they probably have adapted detection for that though'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, for example.....as soon as they launched that missile that finally worked....our news networks knew about it and was showing it on tv news a few minutes after. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'keystone pipeline has to be built, but you notice that china recentlyl purchased alot of the oilfield land in alberta, which will be shipped to texas, who's comptroller meets with that nation north of iran and west of china, talking of a new 'silk road''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north korea has the capability to launch a nuclear missile about 2000 miles now, so they are doing pretty good for a poor country that should be focusing on infrastructure and feeding its people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how much it benefits texas compared to china and it's neighbours is what i wonder about'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or even canada, maybe a bank account in each place'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '98% of canadian oil is exported to the US right now, and 100% of its exported natgas is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the US wont be importing much more canadian oil in the future, since we are producing so much of it domestically now, and it is expected to keep growing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the new canadian oil that will be exported to the US will be replacement oil for when we reduce imports from the middle east and africa.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah , but they also said japan was going to blast anything that crossed its airspace, and that it didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why the keystone needs to be built, and why canada needs to start exporting oil to asia.....Canada gets $22 a barrel less for its oil right now because it only exports to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'while more exports to asia will increase the amount the US pays for oil, it is actually a good thing, because it will then raise the value of our new shale oil reserves also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the keystone pipeline would allow about 900,000 barrels of heavy oil to be refined at the gulf of mexico refineries, and then it could help feed the southern part of the US with new oil supplies, and provide for some exportation to say Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure the UK wouldnt mind a steady supply of a few hundred thousand barrels of canadian oil per day.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the wholesale disparagement of lifes most basic needs. http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good article, one reason i choose agnosticism instead of atheism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and teh way in the last article they mention the capitalization on what is newly known which wasn't available to those failure eugenics of the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffling, why is it with these mass shootings, exactly the same details come out? illegal firearm, mental illness, prescription medication, and "two shooters" that halfway through gets played down to lone gunman'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before we hear the guy was a member of a government mind control program?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Attorney General secretly granted government ability to develop and store dossiers on innocent Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, their focus on latimes about the judgement of people who know him generalizations reminded me of the atypical memory of asocial people in nazi germany stories (which was in alot of other nations too), pre-emptive laws in place for instance, looking for criteria'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Holdren also co-authored a textbook "Ecoscience" where he advocated eugenics (the wiping out of 80% of the population) and the collectivisation of society'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he advocated the shipping (illegally) of 20,000 assault weapons to drugs gangs in Mexico with the purpose of demonising gun ownership in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think he's a good guy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's very similar, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Moreover, if they are readers of Teilhard de Chardin they can add ideological grist to their pragmatic mill, for he will have taught them that it is through the consolidation of the noosphere, that level of existence permanently dominated by the mind of man and its planning, that our species will execute its God-given task and fulfill its destiny.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holdren's book also advocated forced abortions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting him in the same ideological bed as the communist Chines'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+e'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, we at least have a member of the ruling coalition speaking out against snooping laws and the war on drugs, but his credibility has been destroyed by design'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was never a particularly effective politician, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, i have to check that one out: "UN slyly introduces a bill to take control of the Internet..... in the middle of the night"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think my categorization of the intellectual power-enemy's of mine on the world is pretty close to accurate, even some of their beliefs and motivational factors, but i always keep an eye out for correction'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think this shooting might be a put-up job?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just another drugged up nutjob?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always, no, but it's something i consider even if it's not very politically correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like you said about the guy who wrote that book, it's something that can cross the mind of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just a man, your serving Attorney General'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't know that, but i'm not from america'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor am i :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hell, i don't care much about the names of people unless what kind of power they have is part of a explaination for a suspicion - sort of like studying a hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the bright side, people may be wisening up a little bit to manipulators of society, and seeing ends more horrible than immediate conformity to their fear thanks to history'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i managed to get Twyst to admit that globalist bankers have taken over control of sovereign financial institutions, and have medical fascism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not all bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe he was ill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's so cute seeing your guys together :')'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to hell, Dagnir :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I saw illegal firamrms mental illness  script meds and thought they were talking bout me !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a great combination'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm on top of it '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even Dagnir is mentally ill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I also hold down a job in lower management in the government :D first job '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you're changing it for the better'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'finding a balance between augmenting sleepers with ethanol atm , nearly there and the job is a breeze , just play it like RTS game '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given what is the norm I am glad I am considered different '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'parasites n zombies '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friend is an engineer/fabricator at a big food plant here, he left for a few years. When he went back, the company had just about demolished the engineering and maintenance department, and had replaced a bunch of the machines for new, modern stuff that is computer controlled'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was costing them a FORTUNE because no-one could maintain them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he now tries to instruct them on what machinery to get that will do the job but be cheap to run and maintain. He mostly gets shot down because "technology is good, it's the way to go"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the most inane bizarre and 'trendy' attitude you could imagine'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's what you see in public sector which is why there are now just managers and drones, and nobody capable of doing anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mastering these machines is tough stuff though, from linkers and loaders and all the maths and electronics and stuff, it's gonna eventually be like you're saying - i read source code and publishings that seemed written for most people to never see, because they dealt with subjects beyond most ordinary daily life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have to get a contractor in to put aventillation into a shed that stores fuel ... one of my mob can nip down to Bunnings n buy a whirlybird n install it at a fraction of the cost but I can because apparently we need to issolate risk , just stupid '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree, chemosh, but that's not the issue, it's an issue of technology for technology sake'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In this worldthe world of the artificial environment, of the sophisticated manipulation of machines and techniquesthe human element is gradually being eliminated. What this world represents is a new type of order, a new inorganic order, one not created by God but invented by manone that is, in fact, precisely an externalization of mans desire to make his own world without God. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take an instance of a particular little bit of the assembly where reject-turkeys are hanging on the line and have to be 'dumped' in a container below. There used to be a release consisting of a hook and a spring. There was nothing to go wrong, it was reliable and did the job. They replaced it with a mechanism consisting of air ram and 2 optical sensors. just imagine how much more there is to go wrong, and it doesn't DO anything extra'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'letting a civilian control an army .. distant Sun Tzu parallel .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heard a quote about 'nothing succeeding on it's own without the government's guidance' once too'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was probably out of Obama's mouth. "If you have a business? You didn't build that"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not terribly surprising given the heavy collectivist influences of his upbringing'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'frontline staff need to be educated of the choices and let them choose but frontline in most cases means stupid as well or complicated'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's somethign alot less people can fix too'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'which ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the turkey release tiger mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things could go wrong with something like that that're beyond most people's ingenuity to maintain'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't make -any- sense from a business point of view to replace something cheap and simple with something expensive and complicated when the performance is otherwise identical'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb cheap n simple often revolves around a human , and they are not reliable '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama never said that, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does it matter ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from CSPAN, 0:48'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, nuts, that's not what he said. there was a lot more and these particular words have been taken out of context and there's a lot missing'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've listened to the whole thing, i know what he was saying, and he said it in a terrible way'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is english your third language?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what people who want big government always say to justify big government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur actually of full cognative faculty?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you have problems comprehending what people say?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've listened to the whole speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a speech about society'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and government's role in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you still don't understand what he's saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand what he's saying and disagree with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way, he's not saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. he's saying that they didn't build the fucking infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi go easy on Dru !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Chem * soz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's saying the success of people and businesses is due to government and the infrastructure they build'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is not accurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inverted, people together make the infrastructure through government, not government building infrastructure to enable people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not 100% accurate, but it's more true than it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of the UK, the government will happily spend $3bn to build a $300m hospital'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why government sucks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why he is wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, now, that's actually debatable. i'm proud of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you're still full of shit for quoting things out of context'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a headline, dagnir, but the point of the headline is to highlight a nonsense, and it IS nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm no fan of obama or big government, but i try to be honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're still full of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to Yuna quoting Romney claiming 47% of Americans will always vote Obama because they're welfare supporters'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to corporate media'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a direct result of the "immediate"ness of modern media'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, so /relatively/ speaking you're not talking shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it gets you arguing about it, it's done it's job right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sounding like that guy who was screaming at people here about their debating techniques'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It is the peculiar strength of modern times," wrote Dr. Caird, "that it has reached a clear perception of the finite world as finite'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that in science it is positive, i.e. that it takes particular facts for no more than they are; and that in practice it is unembarrassed by superstition, i.e. by the tendency to treat things and persons as mysteriously sacred. The first immediate awe and reverence which arose out of a confusion of the absolute and universal with the relative and particular, or, in simpler language, of the divine and the human, the ideal and the real, has passed away from the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd rather argue over forms of government than listen people quote shit out of context as arguments'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then argue it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'superstition could be something as simple as what if they're smarter than i think they are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'argue it rather than calling people names just because you think you're better than them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, hey, i can do that - (Debate) Tigernuts: '47% of Americans will always vote Obama because they're welfare supporters''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl have been doing this for years - deb topics - yet here at Aard we live hand to mouth ...... such a waste imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'now you said it. fuck the context'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or, you know, any other words that were said'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl have been doing this for years - deb topics - yet here at Aard we live hand to mouth ...... such a waste imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and well, obama wasn't even saying that the goverment "built that". only that someone else built and invested. could be another company or the government. either way, he's 100% right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the case is that you're full of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may be in the case of cities and highly developed areas that they are developed sufficiently that businesses rely on government infrastructure, but it's not always the case now, and definitely didn't used to be the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all of the success stories are failure stories that occur because of government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why don't people like you criticize obama or the us goverment for real fucking issues? why does it has to be this made up crazy shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think I don't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think I don't, then you have an issue regarding selective reading'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't start the branch'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forever berating foreign policy, berating freedom and liberty erosion'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i berate global banking corps taking over control of sovereign financial establishments and essentially calling the shots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's not real or important either'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and good thing that there are people like that still in the world, although dangerous the more and more power the government exacts, as can be seen in several nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i call bullshit on your bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i had a meeting with icelandic PP MP yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'talked icesave dispute and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just assume that because i don't agree with you visa-vee that Obama quote, i don't have anything to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i can't take you seriously if you just lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is having trouble with english now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't matter what the issues is, if you explanation is that obama is a moon-nazi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who has ever said that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. maybe dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why attribute it to me?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that wasn't a direct quote, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because you buy into the "obama is a secret gay muslim" shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm not, that's Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, you have totally called him a closet homosexual'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no I haven't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he might be disguising his sexual preferences, but that doesn't affect the quality of his policies'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. i'll just get the logs from abe and grep a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I believe I once linked to an article in the news that discussed it, that's not the same thing at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''cause they're welfare bums' superstition, And it is of this type of mentality that our modern technological world is the social embodiment. Modern technology is this conception harnessed and put to work for us. It is this which has licensed the technical mind to desecrate the whole social context, the entire planet, and to send out squads of scientific-technical experts to chart, dissect, ransack, and ravage dispassionately, on the basis of empirical evidence and experiment, and if possible by the intervention of mathematics or other specialist methodology, the total fabric of human and cosmic life, outer space and inner conflict, art and history, public opinion and private guilt, education and health, one has only to look at the hundreds of magazines and journals in the science departments of universities and polytechnics to get an idea of the vast proliferation of this specialized interference and scrutiny. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i gave up some minutes ago ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fMnF0Fvdpo'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on thing i found particularly odd about that horrible incident in america was that a similar one happened in china on the same day - but while science would typically calculate the odds of inevitable destruction by meteor with proclaimed faith, odds of both happening on the same day would escape their rational grasp - but i understand political correctness fairly well, could be unfortunate happenstance'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru you still DJ ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I need an oldschool metal fix !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was only ever here to amuse you'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know that  :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this Mud Is all about the TZ ! - lol '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Korn ! go older next time but TY good song !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows what all goes on in the world though, not everything is reported'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know All , cause thats all I base my choices on ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I want Dagnir to talk to us all about his meeting with the Icelandic MP'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully he brought up the way that Iceland refused (unlike all of the rest of Europe/US) to sign on to the bank's debts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iceland actually did put in some effort to bail out the people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people yes, not the banks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and didn't work all that hard at keeping banks alive in their previous forms, and they are even prosecuting a bunch of bankers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's like they got it all wrong!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was there right at teh start saying banks should have been allowed to go broke'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'invest in canned goods n ammo - the end is near ! :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no, not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Dec 21st? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel puts another quarter into the jukebox 
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mayan codex was interpreted/translated by a german in the 1890's'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they had a vision like tesla for the year 2100 in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making the date of some mystical origin for their plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all i'd see being on the 21st beyond a ordinary day'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly new-age bunkem'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been seeing this story about EPA Administrator using secret email accounts with alias names in order to deliberately circumvent freedom-of-information requests and transparency'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess we shouldn't be surprised'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a funny one (with all the paranoia and stuff i seen on the webs): Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  -- confessed that he is unknown , will become one of the architects behind the union of the Eurasian Economic Community (EurAsEC), and the country will take the road to the creation of the second USSR. http://news.am/eng/news/132657.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mentioned USSR by name in Revelations? That's cooL! :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best watch out, Dagnir will be claiming I believe it next'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guess we'll see what happens, could be a symbolic mystification of the strategists world guidance or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not it's actually divine, i see parallels to human-events and the bible in the world, whether or not they're mystical or the story is a framework for people to develop their plans on'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, there's no reason not to see it. Bibles (plural) are collections of stories and wisdom passed down from generation to generation, some are historic, some are like Aesops Tales. The thing about history is it tends to repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should George Soros be prosecuted for sedition?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps that should be "COULD George Soros be prosecuted for sedition"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We might prosecute him for megalomania, perhaps, or for excessive belief in his own wisdom.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I find you guilty of having a messiah complex, and sentence you to 100 hours of sweeping streets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'd argue that pouring billions of dollars into political campaigns, socialist and communist think tanks, and media. Doesn't that constitute subversion of lawful authority?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '311,591,917 population of america, -> because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren (legit?)  In 1977, Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, and Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including compulsory abortion, adding sterilants to drinking water or staple foods, forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children, and discussed "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" such as access to birth control and abortion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'uzbekistan had an article on bbc awhile ago about doctors being required to remove a certain amount of uterus per month'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's interesting, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'John Paul Holdren (born March 1, 1944) is the senior advisor to President Barack Obama on science and technology issues through his roles as Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the Presidents Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think conneticut should hang onto their weapons to give the hypothetical future nazi's or gulag a hard time when they come around'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it 'Einsatzgruppen''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'judging from the article, that's over 100 million deaths on the horizon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in america alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of criteria are they going to establish for the survival process'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see asocial being ordained, what next?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he miscalculated the population by 2040 by almost 100 million though, maybe his advice isn't very valuable'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they calculated in the genocide before the next genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody can say whether he miscalculated the population by 2040...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'given that it's all pure speculation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'strictly, he didn't project it but used either the un or the who predictions -- however, the predictions have been off because developing countries have reduced their birth rate more than the people predicting it expected.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA can support more population'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK certainly cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uk's tfr is estimated at 1.91 as of 2012 (under replacement)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define tfr for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'total fertility rate -- number of children a woman is expected to have in her lifetime based on current demographic projections'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so doesn't account for changes in life expectancy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that means with current rates of migration, UK's population will continue to rise'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to shrink the population, you want the tfr under 2, but not by too far -- when it's far under 2, aging population results in pretty ugly demographic imbalance.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else you get the problem they are having in Russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, and italy, and several other countries in europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably because they're all coming here to sponge off me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like UK and USA both share the ability to thank immigrants for the imposition of socialism in our countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the whole fiscal cliff argument really about a 3% tax hike on salaries over $250k?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'a large part of it is, plus the republicans want the democrats to make a few more spending cuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK had the same argument about 2 years ago, but both our parties are crap too and one advocated practically no cuts that wouldn't touch the deficit at all, and the party that got in wanted salami slicing that hurts all services but doesn't do much for the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but bejabbers it makes you feel like you did something'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... how many times does it need to be said that there's no deficit crisis?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we are in a similar situation, there is no party of the center.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, we have 2 parties of the center'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we have no choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, because of the farm bill artificially deflating food prices, all dairy products are basically going to triple in value.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not aware of that one, enlighten me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'well the deficit is over one trillion and it would be nice if we had some plan to bring it down in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find the plan of both US and UK is to deflate the deficit away'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the farm bill is part of the stuff that expires if they no agreement can be made before 1/1/13.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means totally fucking up anyone with savings or a pension'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is it, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it gives subsidies to farmers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of farmers?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reason i ask that is much of UK farming isn't really farmers but corporate owned farm-factory'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not really going to the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dairy for sure, but since when does a bill from congress only affect one specific group of people?  I imagine there are other farmers that get subsidies via that bill as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of th at?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taking into account just he structural deficit, it's only one or two hundred billion more than that necessary to keep debt as a percentage of gdp stable. That gap can be closed with the ending or the wars, or even just a small increase on top tax rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$2 a gallon for milk, when actual market value is at least $6 if not more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against having a marketing board that sets a minimum price that the markets can buy from farmers at'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the removal of the milk marketing board in the UK that destroyed family dairy farms in the 1980s, and we still have a situation where often times farms are forced to sell milk at below the cost of production'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'milk is used to make all other dairy products, so 3x price applies to anything milk is made from.  Regardless of whether it's the little guy or a corporate regime, nobody's going to simply absorb that cost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'direct subsidy is a dumb idea, the EU does that and it's a bone of huge contention'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ cat 2012debate.txt | grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+O|obama' -> 317'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'missing square brackets in the regex, but you get the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what led you to talk with an Icelandic MP, Dagnir, and what was the result?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I've gotten drunk with Icelandic PMs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long winters, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'quite'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'private meeting with birgitta jonsdottir. was representing local pirate party and a tech-focused citizen lobby group'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Heh. I was in Reykjavic with a group of friends for new years 2 years ago and Birgitta Jonsdottir came to party with us at our flat.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'she's cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you in iceland, or was she in Estonia?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wait, it was last year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tallinn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no i'm wrong. 2 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they've done well in Germany and Iceland'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems to me a single-issue party offshoot of Libertarianism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pirate party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but it's not single-issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least it hasn't been for a long time now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only going on what documentation they have for the Uk based party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the icelandic pirate party isn't even a official party yet. it's being formed inside the parliament, they didn't run as pirates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think they'd do better here throwing their lot in with UKIP'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rice University scientists have unveiled a revolutionary new technology that uses nanoparticles to convert solar energy directly into steam. The new "solar steam" method from Rice's Laboratory for Nanophotonics (LANP) is so effective it can even produce steam from icy cold water.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'solar energy cannot be converted into steam...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'solar energy may be used to heat water to get it to form steam'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what if you used magnifying lenses to concentrate heat ?>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're still not turning solar into steam, you're turning water into steam USING solar energy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'ah, well i assumed the water was a given sorry'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and using solar energy to directly produce heat is hardly a breakthrough, much as your magnifying glass demonstrates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The efficiency of solar steam is due to the light-capturing nanoparticles that convert sunlight into heat. When submerged in water and exposed to sunlight, the particles heat up so quickly they instantly vaporize water and create steam. The solar steam's overall energy efficiency of 24% can probably be increased as the technology is refined.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( "solar steam" could  be thought as a shortcut word to indicate the energy transfer... )
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the test, they put the nanoparticles in almost frozen water, and created steam from it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is with your semantics, Rizgoth :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not my semantics, it is the original writer of the paper....I just cutnpasted their bad writing. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but regardless of the writing, it is still a good advancement in the production of energy by renewable sources.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the results are true that will make camping a new experience :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not only that, but the production of fresh water would be made easier.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyrobiter: 'hello?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there is often traffic on here. It's just quiet at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyrobiter: 'aardwolf sucks! said noone ever....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, top gear crew were complaining about the Blue Ridge Parkway having stupidly low speed limits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you do see semis barreling up and down that at 20 over the speed limit :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took a ferari 458, merc sls and a porsche 911gt3 rs and found they couldn't do more than 45 on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lolol :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I found doing 45 on it scary enough.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'most "expressways" east of the Mississippi are not setup for real speeding.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they like seeking out good drives, not neceassarily hugely fast, but just nice drives'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's also true for freeways built before 1970 on the west coast. But later ones allow for comfortable 80+.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the banking is set up correctly, you can have both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I remember riding around Pittsburgh's speedways, it was scary. I had never driven at 55 before :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get hung for speeding here now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, there are highways in Texas where the speed limit is now 85 mph'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '55 is not speeding, 55 is like taking a break for lunch :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hit 135 on the A1 once, too many cameras everywhere these days though'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, in a residential neighborhood 55 is speeding :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only car i've owned i haven't maxed at one point or other'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the day one of the new toll highways opened to 85 mph, there was an increase in accidents of 65%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'cameras can't catch you, though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but since you are allowed to go up to 10 mph over the speed limit here....most people go around 95 mph on the new highways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds like Southern California :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of new cars here won't do 95'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas builds more highways and roads than any other state.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car's fuel economy drops like a stone after 60'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you paid what i pay for gas, you'd stick to 60 too :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'during the "energy crunch" cars were being sabotaged by manufacturers so they wouldn't peform at high speeds.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and makes more moonshine than any other state too I bet.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a new Texas 1 highway is being built that will go from Mexico to Oklahoma.....8 lanes on each side, plus a railway and dedicated trucking lanes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars have been optimised for 56mph here for decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Texas 1 won't be a fast highway because of all the border patrol stops :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the border patrol doesnt stop you in Texas, except at the border.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop you 100 miles inside the border'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The only time I have ever seen the border patrol is at the actual border, and I have never been stopped by them, except AT the border coming into the US from mexico.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet that will change. Just like in California, the have forced checkpoints to make sure you "don't carry illegal fruits".'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, there are checkpoints popping up all over the palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the border stops don't have to be carried out by border patrol. The Highway Patrol can stop you anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Last time I ran into a border patrol guys, they looked really, really bored.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you think that a highway that leads from Mexico won't be subject to regular stops  you are dreaming.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexican truckers will need a special permit to get through the checkpoints faster, otherwise they will have to undergo xray stops.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect TSA groping people on your roads soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like sobriety checks, they will have impromptu stops along the way. That's how they do it in CA. They have 1 official stop before/after you approach/leave the border (not counting the border itself) then they spot check you all the way to LA.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th ammendment is clearly optional to CA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the border patrol is hiring if anyone wants a govt job that starts at $45k a year plus bennies and the chance to ride 4 wheelers and motorcycles in rough country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought those guys were volunteers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, that would be the minutemen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'one of them just got shipped back here in a box, was on the news a couple weeks ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does the Vatican have is own police force and separate laws concerning freedom of speech when compared to Italy? Or does Italy's laws simply not include a right to freedom of speech?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a group of racist people who watch the border looking for illegals and then call the border patrol to pick them up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does 4USAmend has to do with it? It is illegal to carry proscribed fruit in CA, so they use that as the reason for the stops. There is a persistent ]Med fly infestation there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applies to commercial vehicles only'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Vatican is a city state, it has its own laws and regulations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '45k a year? That's pretty well-paid.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no it doesn't. On I-15 there is an official stop to check for illegal fruit, for instance.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the Vatican's laws then does not include a freedom of speech.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because there -are- stops, doesn't mean it's consitutional, or that you have to be subjected to a search'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Vatican doesn't pretend to be a democracy, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people just comply'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'thought there were agriculture stops going into all states?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'since when is 45k/year well paid?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there are stops and then there are stops....if you are hispanic, or black....chances are you will be stopped.....otherwise prob not.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's well paid in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't interested in illegals, they get let off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'is that before or after taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even before it's a good wage for UK, above average'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '45K was a good salary in the US until the dollar became toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't my you shit, you couldn't afford a mortage on a decent sized house with it, but it's still above median earnings here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buy*'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think "above average" is necessarily good'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at a nether fiend.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'the average person buses tables at mcdonalds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the average person is supposed to be the middle class, so if they are busing at McD's, we are in deep do do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope those fast food workers in NYC get their wish...and $15 min per hour.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have some nice expensive mcdonalds then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it cost's about 12 USD to eat at Mc Donnald's in NYC anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: '$15 in NYC is barely enough to rent a studio apt with a roommate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the price of the food at fast food places is not dependant on employees pay.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'more like you'll hear more gunfire.. It's NYC remember?:P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'everything in NYC is expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'but guns r free'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'You know something is wrong when you walk into a bar, order a single drink, and your tab is like $30'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you have to give muggers an even break, don't you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'a guy once told me that when I was in brooklyn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't NYC one of those places with strict(er) gun controls?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, the wage is the same as NYC fast food places, but the food is half the price....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that depends on the drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'properties probably cheaper too, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'NY has the strictest gun control in the nation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it shows, right?''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Flach, that's what i thought - only the criminals have the weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mcdonalds pays the rents for all mcdonalds properties.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the franchise owner.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Well, criminals are going to have the weapons anyway, for the most part.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'DC is stricter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'most of my drinks are hand delivered by courier on a private jet from the secret basement of a Flemish monk'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chicago has strict gun controls too, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the strict laws only apply to lawful possession, that helps a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'If you want something bad enough and you have the money, you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana wholesale down here is selling for $3500 a lb for organic.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Well, honestly, it DOES take a bit more work for even a criminal to get a weapon in NYC, but that isnt really a big hinderance to them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Move to Washington :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Takes longer to get into state, takes longer to hit the street and get to the buyer'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bummer'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even tobacco smuggling is becoming big business again....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Thats always been big between the US and Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you either prohibit something, or put prohibitively high taxation on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, more like, from cheap tax states to high tax states like NY/NYC'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's going to happen when the tax differential becomes rediculous... it's call arbitrage : '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'We'll have to wait a while and see how the legalization of marijuana in two states affects things'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, the illegal growers are going to be pissed... that's what's going to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy 100 cases of cigs from kentucky for $3 a pack, and sel for $10 a pack in NYC.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$12 for pack of 20 here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That was big business in school, too.  Buy a pack for $2 (at the time), sell each one for .25'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you wonder why McD's employees want 15 an hour...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, when government interferes in peoples' lives, stuff goes bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Sheeeeit, I'm a network admin and I dont even make $20/hr right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you need a new job :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither will you, everyone will be earning minimum wage unless you're a manager'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently the tobacco smuggling is becoming so widespread, that highway police on major highways are pulling over RV's to search for large quantities of cigs :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Eh, low cost of living here helps.  And I get lots of bennies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or a specialist :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get the best of both worlds here, high cost of living, low wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go learn a trade that wont get exported to india.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I cant complain about 5 1/2 weeks paid time off per year, but the wages could be a bit better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or go work on an oil well in some of the new oil and gas shale wells.....starting pay is $18 an hour plus all the overtime you dont want.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drivers make even more....$25 an hour starting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'HARD work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still wouldn't get you a house here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That is ass busting and ball breaking work right there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hard, DANGEROUS work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '6 people died on the oil well crews last year....from explosions of the wells. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Most dangerous thing about my job is the walk from my desk to the coffee pot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about one off events'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lose some fingers, break a foot, get hit in the head etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have an RV, you could make $300 a day as a well gate guard at the shale gas deposits.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are lots of jobs out there, but most people do not want to do them...they would rather spend lots of money going to some worthless college and then get paid low money because there are hundreds of others who are applying for the same jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully agree, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'depends on what you go to college for...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, college for anything other than MD, Lawyer or similar is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'engineering is in hot demand, trust me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should be going to tech schools to learn trades, and not going to college to learn something stupid and getting into debt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the other hand it can't be denied that education for its own sake is worthwhile. Else our knuckles would be callous from all the dragging on the ground.  '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nah, just neeed to choose the right degrees in college, if they are doing it to earn money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Accounting, engineering, computer sciences, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could cut university places by 75% and there'd still be an oversubscription'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'private college enrollments are down 66% in the last 2 years after the feds cracked down on college loan fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I dont mean private schools like Harvard or Yale'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mean the crappy schools like univ of phoenix.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are assuming that one gets an education in order to get a job :) Not everyone is that way. I am perfectly willing to earn a living in a job outside the sphere of my degree. College is supposed to prepare you to handle those types  of situation. If it didn't, maybe you could sue and get your money back :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'UofP is a craphole'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'd love to get a 4 year degree in art, but I'd starve for most of my life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much would it cost to change an orthopedic surgeons' specialization to include something else?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'So I work with computers, and do art classes here and there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the nice thing about art, you dont need a college degree to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's all a matter of choice. Many artists or renown have been known to be at the edge of starvation :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news recently they're heading to india to search for doctor shortages, but there's 90+ orthopedic surgeons who can't find work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Ortho surgeon to what'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need a college degree to do most things, we need to bring back on the job training....like they do in Germany.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Unemployment numbers would look worse if future waiters weren't taking masters degrees now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'insurance is pricing most doctors out of private practice......eventually it will all be large clinics or hospitals.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I just want the education to get a better job so I can better take care of this 4 month old in my lap'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of doctors and dentists just shutting down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Also student loans, any halfway decent economy needs some bubbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health insurance prices up 25% since the announcement of Obamacare and predicted to rise 100% by 2014'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Flach!!!  Tintin cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point of a college education is to teach you coherent thinking which applied to most situations is enough to get you through. If that is not one a person gets out of going to college then that  person was short changed or didn't have what it takes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://regina.ctvnews.ca/new-details-on-why-saskatchewan-surgeon-was-declined-for-job-1.1080872 -- it's 70 in country rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'who cares, the world is ending in 5 days'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin looks at SnailBot Anaristos ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Saskatchewan+doctor+recruitment+mission+India+success/7695619/story.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'once upon a time people learned something resembling thinking prior to entering colleges, I believe'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's true. But at the college level one polishes those skills.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but now, like everything else the degree is more important than the education it represents, so maybe things have changed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Heaps of jobs that should certainly not require more than high school ask for college degrees now. If it isn't because the knowledge is needed, then what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'trickle down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'You can use the degree as a proxy for intelligence or determination, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Operating costs are too high, so doctors are replaced by PAs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'PhDs too expensive, bring in Masters; Masters displace Bachelors'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Not that relevant in Norway, where you are allowed to give IQ tests to applicants.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you have menial jobs requiring Bachelors simply because of supply'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while it is understood why they would use a college degree to filter excess candidates, it certainly results in the devaluing of the degree.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone wants to tenure the "expensive" people, so they're replaced by ersatz counterparts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Absolutely; now it means you can't work at Starbucks, cuz the recent Bachelors grads have been displaced by the trickle-down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Also, if you are sufficiently smart to understand the textbooks on your own, most colleges don't offer any additional value before you are writing a master's thesis or thereabouts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am happy (more or less) with my education and had I been well off I would have stayed a student all my life ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'obviously excluding the value of diplomas and access to labs etc :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of master theses are a scam, though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tinin, now you see how corporate it's become'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tintin'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't have the paper, don't get the job. And of course, a Bachelors entails upward of 100k indebtedness'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's less about education, and more about profiting from the cog-creation system'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you can get scholarships and go to college for free'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is really evident when you look at tutions from 2-3 decades back'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could go to Standford for $7k'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stanford'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But now, one semester is close to $25k at most places'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Well, these days a master's thesis is supposed to show that you understand basic research methods in your field, so you hardly expect them to be read by anyone are contain any kind of scientific advance'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'or contain!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's less outstanding theses/dissertations and more parroting/regurgitation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'anything too radical, and the establishment won't like it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'higher education has been constrained and debased by profiteering'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'our local law school doesn't even allow master's theses to be published or put in their library, but that is probably more because of the pathetic level of writing exhibited'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the tenet of darkness' managed by people who want to be the guiding light'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'At least in another generation there should be reasonably priced online alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's been a resurgence in blue collar/trade jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here there ain't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The middle-class peaked in the 70s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'now it's the "global middle-class", aka. hobos by US standards, that is rising'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Resurgence in demand; the supply is too concerned about its perceived status and baller lifestyle'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's only 100k if you make a stupid choice in schools :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and that's for undergrad, at that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Look at BLS figures and see where new jobs after the 2008 crash showed up, you see low paid service jobs. Eventually most of the traditional middle class jobs will be done by three engineers and skynet :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '73% of jobs made since the election were government jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still, only if you make a stupid choice in schools, going somewhere you can't afford and can't get merit aid for either.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'yes, ok, I concede that, I meant private sector jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's because the job creators are not doing shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just counting their money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I also don't think gov't counts as 'creating' jobs, but that is a slightly different debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their incentive is to create unnecessary g-jobs to get people to support big gummint'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Pretty transparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything to bring their massaged figures down. Labour party did the same here 5-8 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get more people on the teat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'However, with the big growth expected in health care, pharma and related areas, gov't jobs can't very well go down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then expect taxation to go u p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more like trying to get out of the vicious circle of unemployment crushing demand leading to further unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I saw some optimistic research on diabetes medicines, now a 100bn+ business in the US, and there are enormous possibilities - 92% of americans don't have diabetes yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'It's nice to know there are proper growth industries out there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think humans are the only species that systematically forbids potential from reaching itself, closest things i seen in nature is like lions eating their new prides cubs or mother birds not discerning which chick has already had a worm - although sometimes lionesses will protect their cubs, which humanity seems to have progressively made less and less instinctual or available as an option'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'public spending needs to go up by a large proportion in the short term if you guys are to get serious about reducing the deficit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't happen here, won't happen there'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin boggles at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Textbook theory doesn't apply to real life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us needs better infrastructure too. What a waste of resources...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dodgy keysianism doesn't work in practice anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it works everywhere that has tried it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'WW2?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is a corporations, a money-making entity, not a country'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Part of the solution to that is to make governments follow GAAP, I think. No more getting away with messed up cash flow reports.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tintin, just look at LIBOR, and the recent HSBC'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the old wolf failed to feed the pack every time he led on or charged them all into losing battles, do you think the pack would eventually catch onto his unwisdom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retrenchment also works'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The US political system certainly favours large corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US political system is an appendage of large corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Wolves know when to ask the basic questions thoug..'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst is that why the US hase one of the globe's highest corporate tax rates?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's a nominal rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think you really mean an appendage of large unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The entire cabinet is comprised of members of corporations (Monsanto, BP, etc.)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even effective rate of 27, still one of the highest'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a little research and I could find 10 fortune 100 companies that paid no or negative taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not on US income'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The tax rates may be relatively high, but the percentage of tax income from those corporations is .. ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if I say the speed limit is 5 mph, but you can drive a red car as fast as you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is irrelevant to their influence on government if you use your brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't mean I have the strictest speed limits now does it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Use your brain?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government uses its "regulatory" agencies to shield the private sector giants, economically choking out the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the real influencers are unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and the largest beneficiaries of govt largesses are unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pass some of that over here, sounds like the good stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are their excuses here? we don't have powerful unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'show me one union that was 'too big too fail' '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at the pensions they've extracted.  Too big to pay off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no private company offers pensions close to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not government influence, it's bargaining'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who did the worst? Oh yea, Social Security'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's bargainign with politicians who are elected and beholden to unions and have no profit motive to strike fair bargains'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the unions don't bargain with politicians, they bargain with management'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no coincidence that the states closest to BK are democratic and urban states.  Pure corruption.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'too big to fail corporations should have failed, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm with u on that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They did, and got bailed out'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the unions wanted them around right ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'by the taxpayers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no shareholders came out ahead on any of those'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in fact the UAW was massively bailed out when the govt stepped in to save GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'those pensions would be axed in a real BK process'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and they were preserved'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why was GM failing? because American cars were not as good as their competitors'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that and beacuse US manufcaturers had a $2000 per car labor disadvantage thanks to unions and legacy labor costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BK hasn't helped GM make better cars, but that $2k is still not at parity'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they just killed bondholders to save pensioners'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is the GM moving to China thing getting on?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'govt is union's best friend'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other way around'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the bail-out is taxpayer money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The taxpayers are bailing out the shareholders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Union is the government's best scapegoat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the taxpayer has lost billions in GM, and GM shareholders were wiped to zero, wth are you smoking kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only winners are the UAW, who kept all their pensions, and got a big chunk of the company'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'compare the scope of GM's bailout with the bank bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Taxpayers are uninvolved; shareholders chose to put a stake in GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I didn't get to choose to bail out GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes let's compare... the govt gave money to banks who didn't want it, and has made a profit on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'impractical fantasy land:  if you can't do it yourself, it's probably a trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could have sold your shares'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dosset you are utterly clueless'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '25 billion vs 700 billion'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'shareholders chose nothing, at all, to do with GM.  they lost 100% of their investment.  Idiot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they bought GM stock'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes, after the bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were not guaranteed an increase in value'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why are you talking about shareholders 3 years after the bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Shareholders chose to invest in GM, and a failing industry in general'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My tax dollars aren't your hedge'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the welath xfer to unions happened DURING THe bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're sounding like Wall Street now; I bail you out when you fuck up'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '(that's what your 401k/IRA is)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kojiro you neglected my previous point in that the bank bailout was about 30 times larger'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is transferring wealth to whom'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could the government please stop bailing with -my- money?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst:  yes it was larger, yes I wish it hadn't happened, but realize most of thsoe banks didn't want or need the money, and teh govt has profited while many shareholders were wiped.  it wasn't that bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'GM is the aberration'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its not your money after the fed takes it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish the govt didn't lose $20B of my taxpayer money to keep the AUW pensions 100% intact'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't view it through such a colored lens'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the DoD wastes that much on toilet paper'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's just the fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, it's not; you're skipping from A -> D, ignoring B and C'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea twyst, I hate most government spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you paid 20B in taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people would rather burn down their house than suffer a single rat to eat a single grain of their rice... sigh...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'B is:  in a normal BK thsoe pensions are shredded.  C is that the govt railroaded the BK in 30 days and the courts took it up the ass b/c they were scared'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, clearly $20bn is chump change'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're forest-for-the-treeing the fact that the gumming doesn't want the bad side of Unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The appropriate solution was to provide emergency loans to banks, and then, if they didn't have enough equity, let them go bankrupt and then add in new equity, with old shareholders wiped out. Also some prosecutions might be appropriate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I agree tintin'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lynchings'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'same should have been done with the car companies, although I'm not particularly convinced that the gov't should provide new equity there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and same for GM.  cut all creditors equally, including pensions, and re-org and issue equity'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their liabilities were in the trillions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now Geithner wants to eliminate the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in GM, bondholders were cut huge while the UAW was left alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't give him that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt ceiling is new spending, its paying your bills'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't *'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'What is the debt ceiling good for?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dosset listen to tintin he understand how markets and BK should work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin meeps at Not Guilty Kojiro!
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The appropriate action is apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why question when the government doesn't take it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's obvious what should and shouldn't have been done'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can't wait to hear your reccoemndation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rather, question why what happened happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I don't really represent the consensus view here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government essentially owns everything, but has to pretend it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It uses Goldman Sachs to do private sector dealings'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Roll your eyes, but now you have your reasons on why this wasn't that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'too much rolling stone for that kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought it was Goldman Sachs who owned everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly own the EU and everything inside it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of this is why GS is earning 8% return on equity and trading at book value, right?  Beacuse they own and control everything.  Right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Instead of bemoaning "but..but..why didn't they cut pensions?" instead get upset that they deflected the loss onto bondholders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone's asking "what did they do?" rather "why did they do it?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's one and the same, and the answer for why is the politicla clout of the UAW'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unions have far more influence at all levels of govt than "large corporations"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're both in the bag'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'absurd'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'especially public sector unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"large corporations" is owned by government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're in the same bag'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are you talking about Russia or the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think its more like large corps own gov't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Modi is right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'From what I see, it appears that unions have relatively more power at local and state level and corporations relatively more power in the federal gov't.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just look at who runs all the sovereign banks in Europe, look at the CV's of many of the presidents'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure they do, that's why US corporate tax rates are highest in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kojiro that is flawed and you know it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'prob highest profits as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not flawed, it's the truth.  most of the effective rates are low multi-nationals who don't repatriate foreign profit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it's a moot point'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's like the death penalty in California'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'US tax rates are less important for the largest corporations. S&P500 corps have on average almost 2/3 of their activity in other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A rate is ink on paper'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the cash flow'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '2/3rds is too high'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't cat a dog'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google paid no tax on their UK profits last year, neither did Starbucks or Amazon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '35% is not 2/3rds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, or next to no'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you recall when apple had more in the bank than the US gov?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple gets paid by the government to create US jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're big enough to dictate their tax bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but china might have human'd a rabbit in 2003'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the govt is too busy borrowing and taxing and spending to have money in the bank'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we are slowly but surely going back the days of robber barons and JP Morgan loaning Uncle Sam money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro groans loudly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"slowly going back"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were there decades ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who are the robber barons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'AAPL??'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Money in the bank? The U.S. is financed by imaginary debt, what would you expect'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where does China figure in on all of this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'east asia, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about ghost cities in Africa and you can piece something together'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the other money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'yes, that should be 1/3, not 2/3, and I was thinking about the reported profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tyvm :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'sales from abroad are a higher % than profits from abroad, and we can argue about how much that has to do with taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mis obviously :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm agrieved that my government pays more in debt interest in a year than it spends on the entire defence budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'r u japanese ^^?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would that bother you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The debt keeps the peons in bondage; can't possibly have it paid off now, can we'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol dosset ur such a troll'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's some $80bn a year i'd prefer to have back, ta'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'half of americans pay zero income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Income tax was never supposed to be paid to a private cartel'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the troll now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's successful people like me that have to put up with the bill when crazies like you elect big borrower spenders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong false dichotomy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because we are unsuccesful mooches right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your success clearly lends itself to government riding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, clearly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a democrate then, kojiro>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nothing to do with talent or hard work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just ride that government.  i saw how on a youtube video and now i'm a millionaire'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro thanks DosseT heartily.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't comprehend the government throwing a bone to its voting bloc'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'but view it as the unions leeching from the commonwealth'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if youre so successful then stfu and enjoy your life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dont speak for DosseT, but I paid alot of taxes last year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some things arae worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '4 years of trillion dollar deficits aren't worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'neither is wating money on our military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '4 years only?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats how I know people are lying'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or bailing out states who shower unions with platinum penions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not counting the wars on the budget from the start is a lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why focus so much on the beneficiaries? Who's the one bailing out whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'bush was almost as bad when it comes to spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes he turned a surplus and a vibrant economy into a shitstorm'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama comes in with the house on fire, and he is worse gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99 weeks of unemployment benefits, and food stamps getting doled out without means testing... it's never been better to be a leech on the tit of government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and set the middle east on fire, and started the descent into a police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who knows, he might've saved us from 'nukular' annihilation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government created that welfare state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'u won't find me defending bush!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then there was Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'And it is of this type of mentality that our modern technological world is the social embodiment. Modern technology is this conception harnessed and put to work for us. It is this which has licensed the technical mind to desecrate the whole social context, the entire planet, and to send out squads of scientific-technical experts to chart, dissect, ransack, and ravage dispassionately, on the basis of empirical evidence and experiment, and if possible by the intervention of mathematics or other specialist methodology, the total fabric of human and cosmic lifeouter space and inner conflict, art and history, public opinion and private guilt, education and healthone has only to look at the hundreds of magazines and journals in the science departments of universities and polytechnics to get an idea of the vast proliferation of this specialized interference and scrutiny. http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you probably voted for him :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not to worry, Obama's got his own "boogie" men, in Holdren and that Napolitano ugly monster 'thing''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst, president's have very little to do with the economy.  unless they deficit spend 4 trillion over their term, in which case they are economically binging'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Saint ronnie blew up the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't John Kerry related to G dubbyah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lets see, gore won the popular vote, so how do you reason i probably voted for bush?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like answers like that more than all the details of their interoperation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all interrelated'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that looks like an interesting article, Chemos'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be in hell on earth had Gore won'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hobsons choice there really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hard to argue the counterfactual'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Gore got a nobel price, so he must be good..'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because those nobel prizes are given to really good people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'From fiscal year 2010 to the present, government spending  including the stimulus bill  has risen at a 1.4 percent annualized pace, slower than at any time since the 1950s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler would have got one had he been around now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol twyst, what a trivial statistic based on hopelessly manipulated endpoints'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, he got Time Man of the Year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'try startingn at any year before 2009'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay set me straight'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is a rather short period to turn into a trend :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '3/4 of a single term'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'focusing strictly on Obama the spendthrift :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you look at GAAP spending that is going to show a somewhat higher increase, but hardly anyone looks at that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Twyst its sipmle math:  if I deficit spend 1.3 trillion in 2010, and then i deficit spend 1.32 trillion in '11, and then 1.33 trillion in '12, yea the rate of growth is low on an enormous base'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they should, though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whats the breakdown of discretionary spending?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve your deficit almost overnight if you stopped blowing brown children to pieces'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what has changed between now and 'any year before 2009''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you paid taxes, you could see in 10 seconds, but I'm guessing you don't know what a 1040 booklet even is'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay denigrate, you make me laugh you really do'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Kojiro, do you know who your taxes go to, and what happens with them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, just massive, unprecedented levels of govt deficit spending, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not income transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'most of it goes toward medicare/medicaid and the military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in no particular order right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That what you think?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would pay double taxes if not a single red hot cent went to the military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'doubling zero is still zero'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I know what you're thinking, double zero is still zero right :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't physically pay double taxes as that would mean paying more than i earn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would show you my w-2, but it's the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't, keep your SSN private plz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I paid 40k in income taxes last year, just fed take it or leave it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'half times 2 only equates to all, not all and then some.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your taxes pay for the welfare state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Military is all black budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what is black budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does it feel that you paid more in income tax last year than most people in the UK earn in total, gross?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How does it feel when the average recipient of income transfers makes more than the after-tax disposable income of the average worker?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'feels like government spending is too high on icnome transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot here, DosseT, it pays to be a single woman with kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is Kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want to undermine the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle class is gone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and incentize bottom-feeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i know plenty of people who get paid more on unemlpoyment than they would to work, or close enough that it's not worth working and losing the subsidized vacation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because bottom-feeding = government teat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Income transfers now eclipse average after-tax income'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know I'm young n dumb but y'all making money from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, we're not. There's higher taxes from a smaller workforce paying for an increasing welfare population'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat , a citizen of the lowest class) is a term used to identify a lower social class, usually the working class'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"debates" like this gives me a good clue why intellectuals have been driven leftwards of the general population in america...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then our fiat money is devalued by QEs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the apparent transfer of info'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a member of such a class is proletarian. Originally it was identified as those people who had no wealth other than their children. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why are people so intent on the whole cut of your nose to spite your face thing anyway?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'intellectuals are usually idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, cut off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the intellectuals have fled the country, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism  is the group of political philosophies which advocate minimizing coercion and emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with significantly less government compared to most present day societies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the intellectuals and big moneys in the UK have gone to Switzerland'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points at himself, obviously very confused.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points excitedly at Chemosh!
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro is agreeing with that Chemosh person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't mean communism though, that's how i think societies would have naturally evolved before being conquered'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'intellectuals must not be all that smart if they WANT to give up all the extra money their smarts are supposedly bringing them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must admit, I'm not feeling much incentive to hang around here much longer either...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's me! i'm that oen!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and any fellow libertarian-leaners out there please support my note on ideas board'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Why, Hans? They can use their power to dominate, like Mr Soros'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all becomes about agendas'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Mr Murdoch'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If only it were possible to expel texas or whatever and create a libertariania so the rest of us can watch them face up to reality...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two lovely rich people we could do without'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone wants to work Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'texas is one of the best run states in the union'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because ultimately agendas end up backfiring in a big way.  Did you know, for example, that those two make more than $250,000 a year?  Guess which group is being demonized now for not paying their fair share?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one wants to work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seem to me like you need  to collaberate on a "thing" rather than trade storiess ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you're that rich, doesn't matter how much you get paid, you don't pay tax in the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tzad -- the winner take all party system in the US means libertarians will never have a major voice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Not Guilty Kojiro person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The welfare state is incentivizing non-work, Modi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the more reason to go after their money, according to the current popular politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about people getting plastic surgery on your tax dollars'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, the two party system defends itself against attack, such as the presidential debates now not allowing anyone with below 15% a position'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'excuse my lucdidity - had an episode last night - increased medication'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only thing a libertarian can do is take votes away from the most pro-freedom party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'east asia is about to beat the stuffing out of the west in the economic arena, and all half of them can do is whine about taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well no one wants to do shit jobs, thats true'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'noone wants to work for minimum wage, i'll give you that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why there's Red Dawn remakes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Libertarians will have a major voice when it furthers the Republicrat position shortly after.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess libertarians best chance is local/state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and push the repatriation of stolen states rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol sonshi... china is going to have a crash like you've never seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the Red Dawn remake good ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people are naturally inclined to assist as they develop into a foundational/contributing member of society but selfishness like that 'dark tenet leading them to light' obstructed their humanity to such points as not wanting to contribute'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the villains in the new Red Dawn are not villians.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just another oh-no-the-commies-are-attacking-oh-wait-they're-already-here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody has something they like before their dreams get destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is one immutable law of markets:'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had my aspirations destroyed by the previous 3 generations fucking up my country, i have no reason to be nice or take a stake in the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BUST follows boom'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not free?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'm going to hell, you're all going with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sometimes booms can go on for a long time, but the bust is inevitable'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the silver lining on bubbles is that when they burst, the tech and infrastructure you got out of it is still there... it's a matter of economic management.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the real Red Dawn is my fav movie - crafed my life '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The business cycle is cyclical, like a sine curve'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Unlike a sine curve, it can be manipulated during a period'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, there's more than that, Kojiro.  "Buy low, sell high" for example.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately you guys have refused to learn the lessons we gave you during the asian financial crisis...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the US unemployment rate doubled in our bust.  imagine that happens in china'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm not talking about how to get rich!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which crisis is that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 1997 one'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us 'guys' didn't learn any lessons from anything, including everything that's happened since the 1700s'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unemployment doubled because demand was crushed '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'buy low, borrow at zero to buy even more at low, then sell at high is a better formula'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite famous'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the 2008 one.  In some places, it nearly quadrupled, and some demographics are still pretty high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here's a good one'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Make up the LIBOR'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we stripped away politics and looked at outcomes, the conclusions would be obvious'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'your ealize banks marked LIBOR DOWN, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah so they would pay shitty interest on bonds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the economy depressed, now is a great time for western countries to build stuff cheaply, but nooo, you'd rather cut govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like "Lie about efficacy and safety of vaccinations in collusion with the government group that makes decisions about government vaccinations in order to make a fortune", Dosset, which happened here over 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too many threads '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't need anything built, Sonshi, we need less people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our government doesn't want to build'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction is a major contributor to climate change.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, keep your "final solution" delusions to yourself...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have considerably more people than we can support or use'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what are you going to do TN, kill them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a final solution supporter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send them back where they came from, twyst, and stop incentivising breeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of the EU, have some proper border controls. ANY border controls'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'too many people, jesus, looney tunes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'curbing breeding is one of the dumbest policies china has now, economically. Watch for this to screw them over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't curbing breeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'banks LEND at LIBOR, not BORROW.  they were being PAID based on LIBOR.  Foolio.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any policies we made to control growth wouldn't last long enough for them to entrench in the national psyche, rendering them overall useless.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we keep throwing money at people to breed, and we still can't get enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a country of 60million idiots, we added an extra 3million through immigrants over a 10 year period'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come take a bunch of ours, we have 40 million too many'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we already took some...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough I say!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we wouldn't mind more, but will they work for the same pay as pakistanis?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The scandal arose when it was discovered that banks were falsely inflating or deflating their rates so as to profit from trades, or to give the impression that they were more creditworthy than they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no, they'll expect to be fed, housed, given the latest mod cons, fags and booze, and expect it for nothing in return'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well a couple hundred years of living high on the hog will do that TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must confess that I have trouble believing that your countrymen are as bad as you say. Of course, I've only been to the uk once...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'LIBOR is a benchmark; guess what happens when you manipulate downward the benchmark, making people confident in the current atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'blowback from colonialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the figure speak for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your people seem every bit as vital as others, except for being somewhat anti-intellectual in comparison these days...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vital?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'England is the most densely populated country in Europe, excluding Monaco which really doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'austerity? Libertarianism? You can't have small govt and a strong economy at the same time... yet so many seem to believe that you can'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends on your size'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the govt needs to manage the economy to damp out destructive swings, and promote the spread of information, industry, etc.?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can do that without being 'big''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Keynesian?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and ensure that markets are free, that the people feel safe enough to create, innovate, and do business...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people can be the government in libertarianism, providing for themselves - what's bought and sold for money is provided by people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how would libertarians build the hoover dam?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only thing stopping that from happening is selfishness and sense of entitlement - through realizing that it'd be efficient as a group and not taking as many risks as they did when they built the one there'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, the number and size of things that society as a whole can do together, but individuals can't, means that govt needs to have a significant presence in order to reach optimal output'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if the ROI of the hoover dam warranted it, the govt can borrow money to fund'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US currently has a big government and they want to make it bigger.  Our market is rather fragile at the moment, because nobody's sure what's going to happen between obamacare and the cliff.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also conditioning/ignorance, since that kind of system probably hasn't been around for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, providing competition in health care, housing, regulation for markets, environmental and social protections... to name a few'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of that can be done cheaply, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not all ROI is monetized'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the 'fiscal cliff', bemoaned by Republicans but demanded by them at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are you in finance?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm retired'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the return on many of these projects are returns to the people... you'd need to tax them to repay the cost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes because our Healthcare system is one of the cheapest yet has one of the best outcomes right Kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if building a new highway costs x and the gains to the economy are 2x, you're going to have to get back the x somehow, since the 2x isn't going to the govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you tax, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's assuming you have working human capital'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes... that's why there's a need for lots of taxation to build these things'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'libertarians are not for zero tax, they are for small and efficient government, and against wealth transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What if half of your human capital isn't capital at all, and is leeching from the other half'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sonshi u sound chineses'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'comopetition is something needs to be done and who's capable and deemed trustworthy by the group to do it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just wait, the chinese reckoning is on its way'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, complaining about wealth transfer is how they try to shift the burden of taxation to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's the actual poor, then the incentivized "poor"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'chinese cant play mud can they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wealth has been transferred to the top in insane amounts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In theory, the poor are actual poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the government is a terrible allocator of resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should the profits of these projects go entirely to the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not here.  The poor are middle class, practically.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they have such a great lifestyle, I'm sure you're just waiting in line to join them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at the figures from the bls for labour share of income, it has been dropping steadily over the last few decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you guys haven't seen the youtube video yet on how to get transfers to make u rich???'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, may of those considered financially poor have more amenities than those closer to or just above the poverty line (ie, those who don't qualify for assistance).'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I loaned $10,000 to a Nigerian prince '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an investment :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no I haven't seen the video'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's now somewhat below 60%. There's really no good reason why doctors, technicians, and even CEOs take less than 60% of the national income while capital gets the rest.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not very efficient.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so labor should organize and get a bigger share'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but this entire conversation started by demonizing labor for doing just that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unless the workers actually don't have skills and the products they are making aren't actually profitable, in which case they are not going to share in the profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is not a problem that can be solved at that level... it's an economic problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debate -h 200'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want everybody to be slaves in 'arbeit macht nicht frei' asocial experiments, while the scientists pass along the trade to their children, which judas iscariot apparently didn't have any of'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the CEOs and the rank and file labourers are on the same side of this labour share problem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst, I'm 100% for the tension between labor and capital being solved via private market outcome'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if the workers add value, then unionize and fight for a share of profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem is when Big Daddy bails you out when you know you're going to fail'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not going to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if they don't, as most don't, then capital gets a bigger share (i.e. mcdonalds)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which you somehow blamed on labor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the source for this disparity is most likely an increase in monopoly power.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I said the government is much mor ebeholden to unions than corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'specifically public sector unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ford didn't make it to the top by squeezing every last drop from his workforce'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it never made it to the top?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, the corporations are already the government, so may as well cater to your voting bloc, right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they were, you'd think this problem would be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Henry Ford'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how many votes did corporations cast in ohio?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hint:  it's the amount of taxes you paid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'corporations injected billions into this last cycle due to citizens united'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'meanwhile the  SEIU pays people to protest against anti-labor republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with one party in the US steadily radicalising, yet not losing significant support, I'm worried that they'll see no disincentive to radicalising further...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Gunmen shoot dead women's affairs official in Laghman, while Nimroz province police chief dies in roadside bombing. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/12/201212106318879255.html you think it's possible to reason with people like that, or the people who sent them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can yatter until you're blue in the face and your feebleness only makes them feel stronger'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for them there seems to be only one solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly both were crooks, but they were working for somebody, on both sides - where's the end lie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always corruption wins in the world because people pledge allegiance to the lesser of two evils that they see the most gain from to justify their support'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not having very much power, but you see the end of their allegiance over and over in history - who survives is who does the will of who's in control upon the supporters - so it's really very pointless to cling to any of these earthly ideologies with any faith or feeling of security'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, at least the mind can remain uncorrupted by the earth's twisted versions of justice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or death is a factor in some places, either they choose yes or they die - usually with increased populations this is applied more frequently and has more of an impact in selecting for other's who fear as the fear becomes number over time and the collapse occurs among the demoralized'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing after the undeath though, is the second death - possibly, that future that repeats itself in the past again and again'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and building that's more of an enemy than dying, relatively'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'life has almost no value in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'survival is going with the flow or being shot, and they don't see the end of the stream being genocide, like it was before'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's a lose/lose situation for them, and the only chance of prevention was to do things themselves against 'the second death''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that doesn't happen - that's how i see it anyways, the immutable enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't teach the process of dehumanization in school because they're part of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll mourn the crimes of the nazi's though, that's just fine - at least they have a distant recollection of what kind of horror that a government is capable of'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like terror management theory even, these are things studied by extremely wealthy and influential people, but how many people are aware that the sorrow of a politician isn't always neccessarily real?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's handy to engineer them though, whatever form of system they hail from - some empathy shows the human side of the shining ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on some occassions it may even be sincere, they're humans right?  but on other levels they see it as neccessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while it doesn't elevate an individual to ruling themselves, they feel their master descending to their level for a moment'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even as it's written in the bible, 'the servant shall be as the master' in the temple of heaven '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it has some religious intonations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't expect everybody to be as much of a pessimist as me though, i am optimistic of people's ability to one day transcend common deceptive tactics used by their killers, at least to their own judgement, whether or not they have any control over it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they might as well be robots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'how do we make him stop talking/'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'turn it off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but football :('
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I hate you obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'surely some kids dieing is more important than your football'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'FUCK OFF OBAMA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'try not to be so insensitive.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'first you take my guns, then you take my right to deny people medical care, now you're taking my football?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'surely something will be gained from this 30 min speech that has already been said?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dur derpa derpa duur duur. duuur derpa derpa duRRR. derp derp duuur duurrr'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah we are powerless..just like we can't protect ourselves from lighting strikes..random shit is random'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yess..its over'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait for the meteorite in 2029, all our troubles will be over then :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing's scheduled to have any real chance of actually striking Earth until at least the latter half of the 22nd century.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the 2029 meteorite will come below satellite orbits, the nudge it will get from the Earth gravity will cause it to change orbits and increase the change of a collision when it returns in 2036.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are talking about less than 23K miles on the first pass-through, so if anything moves it on the way here it will strike the first time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we could always get Bruce willis and Ben Affleck to take it out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the worst thing you can do to a near-Earth object is blow it up :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is this an extinction event, or will it be a golfball by the time it hits surface'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could try to attach an engine on it and drive it away :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're developing plans to do just that with a 1-2 punch sort of thing, where the first shot digs a hole and the second pulverizes whatever part of the big rock was left.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it will be moving at about 12 Kmh... and it's the size of Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I meant 12 kms'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've gotten confident about such an act, due to the Deep Impact mission.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on the bright side, we'll probably be screwed before then'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't the world ending in five days anyways :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is predicted that if enteres the atmosphere it will incinerate everything within a 1000 mile  radius in about 1 minute.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's before it strikes and causes a worldwide tsunami :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, hey, if you are a miner at work, you might survive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or an astronaut'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, though the ejecta from the impact is going to reach trans-satellite space.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not all around the earth in a perfect sphere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there is the problem of where to land :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'volcanoes are not going sit idle while the ocean has all the fun :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/connecticut-school-shooting.html look at how the comments on this page all attack people's mental health and the downsides of voluntary institutionalization'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't mention the doctor in quebec who left the asylum after killing his children, just before they changed the laws of mental health to make it more difficult - kills his kids and gets about 1-2 years in mental heatlh not criminally responsible, suddenly sane and released'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about how mentally ill people resulted in the selection process of the nazi's and other groups in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't only , or originally in germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the premeditated cursor of the air force pilot who flew the prime minister of canada around, with a addiction to serial rape and murder'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seemed like a pretty asocial fellow, obviously that's how you determine a criminal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'take notes and pass them on to your offspring on how genocidal fascism gets normalized in the world, bury them somewhere that they can't find - tesla expects this to be ordinary by the year 2100, according to forbes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic darwinism already does this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren this for instance, i could also go on a repetitive discourse on the USSR and Stasi roots, inclusive of the 'shining race' present in the governments of the west today - but doesn't really matter does it?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and add in the usual questionable material like the terror management theory they study'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess so, galileo and this bacon and descartes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you don't believe in racial memory Dru ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instinctual enmity maybe, but i think that's similar to how the denied purpose of humanity is imposed on people, it just doesn't feel right/disharmony'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'racial memory applies to the entire human race not portions of it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did see that there are some passionate racists out there though, that insist on eradication of people based upon material traits, inherient in their evil genetics'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the term has currency here then ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a way to split that type of memory into race ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as not thinking goes, asocial air force doctor, maybe everybody who doesn't compare things very much themselves to get a better insight in their sharp judgement is feeble and should be institutionalized'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'racial memory has nothing to do with racism. Racial memory refers to the information stored in our Mitochondrial DNA which gets passed on generation after generation. It can be shown that all humans alive share the same Mitochondrial DNA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mitochondrial DNA is passed maternally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'please define "same"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there are at least 5 different haplotypes in the mitochondria'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and then there is mutation'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, all humans do not have the same mtDNA except in the broad sense that they all share the same genome'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Slav is heading in the same way I was '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Swal*'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter because that type of dna uses copies of itself when it recombines.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there is not type of DNA -- there is just DNA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'DNA is all the same, this is why it has the same name'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and if it recombines with itself, then you would not be able to tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, and there are no types of cars just cars since they all  function the same way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we still with the 75%nature 25% nurture theory ? racial memory may be imprinted later ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that the article states the shooter was wearing black bodysuit with black mask, vice principal got shoot in the foot but i haven't heard her testimony yet - police arrived fairly quickly and nobody seems to have seen his face until the ending when they found the body in the room'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm interested in what the vice prinicipal seen, stature of the man etc, i guess they probably got the correct guy there'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm skeptic with things like the USSR connections i seen etc, no other reason but prevention of population control, like syria danny doing a publicity stunt for CNN'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's terrible though, i agree there 100%, that's about as cruel as anybody can get to do something like that - but it's not unique to this day and age and has systematically been done to countless millions in the past - like holdren there's wikipedia article indicates he was interested in at one poitn'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren see'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA during the Kennedy administration to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Academi[2]previously known as Xe Services LLC, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwideis a private military company founded in 1997 by Erik Prince and Al Clark.[3][4] Academi is currently the largest of the U.S. State Department's three private security contractors.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, after that's cleared, obviously there's alot less of a group of people to consider as having specialty interests - possibly just an oppressed child of the system who lashed out against the injustice of it all in his own evil way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bit sweeping media campaigns with one-sided stigmatizations are pretty suspicious though, no media channel noticing all the others already reported what they repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but we'll see what they have in mind, possibly it's nothing malevolent, survival of the hedonist or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a crime to be aware of such people and their beliefs?  that's a new one'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, i'm probably wrong - but if i'm not, it wasn't my fault it happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just observation of history and belief that the people who made it happen shaped the future which we live in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just a fun fact from the NSA database - $ cat 2012debate.txt | grep -Pc 'Druzil:|Chemosh:' -> 8603'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh ok, so your hate machine was a government experiment and you're out to get me'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's good to know'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just kidding, it's not NSA database. it's actually abelinc's. he's been spying on you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was just curious how many lines you produce in a single year'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, he's some kind of an enemy of freedom of transient text '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he'll probably sell people out to the new muslim brotherhood advisors to the next adolf hitler and things like that, in his information empire'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have said hitler 73 times vs 48 obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as you're sending the gulag out to get me for my freedom of speech contextual statements'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and only 46 times "muslim"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i won't be going with your master to be tortured in toenail peeling holocaust camps, i'll just take it straight up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holocaust 47 times'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about stalin'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and jew too'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '122 for stalin'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and 133 jews'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they like to punish people for noticing their shit stinks and some of them work for the USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make sure you pass it onto your death-camp selection programme and inform them that i won't go with the nice men in fema death camp uniforms'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can work for me, i'm not working for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you see that's funny though, i was right all along during my talking about the hatred that is this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so every word was justified'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in it's own twisted way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not saying anything wouldn't have made the result any different'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but this way they know that they're not beyond detection'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and at least my ghost will always hate theirs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all them words i said, and america's led by a man who thought 210 million people was too much, that's what, over 100 million homicides he had in mind before rising to the top?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess my words against his lies are considerable material, i wonder who'd be banned from leading a country first'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess to be fair, i never wrote in any professional capacity , unlike him'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like people say 'i'll kill you' but they're just being sly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't really mean it all the time , do they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the guy from frankfurt east germany who was 1/4 Stasi police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the comptroller in Azerbaijan , or the 54 congressmen working for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the unknown guy making the next USSR in armenia in 2013 with his confidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you can pull law on me all you like, they just better come to shoot me in the head instead of arresting me for your trecherous intellectual racism'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the guy who built the museum's links to ussr twice'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being arrested by the enemy law , they're act of war trespassing on the territory i was led to believe in, so i guess the law doesn't apply to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm,the installed cost of solar panels for residential and business has dropped to $6.10 a watt in 2012, and the installed cost for industrial of 2000 kwatts or higher has dropped to $3.25 a watt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'server farms now use 2% of global electricity requirements in 2012, and it is growing fast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably where it'll peak, thanks to new technology'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from 2011 to 2012, it increased by 11%'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably mostly growth abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Breaking Bad is such a good show....everyone should sell meth when they get cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'what do you think of Tesla?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nutjob'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good scientist though'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have realized edison was just screwing him over though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so not so smart business wise.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ta'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really, the person to blame for the lastest massacre: The shooter's mother'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that and the fact that a well regulated militia = anybody'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and arms = anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is the federal govts fault for allowing US companies to get lower taxes by allowing foreign revenue to count towards US revenue taxwise.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that 20 year old had some hope and not just depair cause he couldnt find a decent living wage job...he might not have done what he did.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it wasn't really to do with that, Riz, it was because he was mentally ill and his idiot mother had unsecured semi automatic rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his mom made 300k last year from alimony, why would he be in despair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind 300k from alimony.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go retire to the beach and fish everyday.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have guns and kids, you make sure they're secure from your kids. if you have mentally ill kids, you either need to be absolutely sure about the security of the guns, or just not risk having them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if semi-auto rifles were banned, there would've been fewer casualties...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have made no difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who said this lanza fuck was mentally sick?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I like the idea of banning high capacity magazines'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about everyone, kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bs, if the principal had a gun in a safe and knew how to use it, fewer people would have died.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, riz, agree thoroughlu'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the 6 year olds could have taken that skinny fuckwad down if he had to reload'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, because the fort hood guy was stopped in his tracks right Riz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh wait, didn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that two other mall shootings this week were stopped because of citizens with guns?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear THAT on MSNBC now, did you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no tiger, can u send links?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, koj?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'both'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to win a gunfight with a crazy guy, unless you're crazy too'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, last base I delivered to with my food truck....except for the gate guards, most of the soldiers didnt have weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ask any soldier...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this debate is really analogous to the nuclear proliferation debate on a smaller scale'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if every country had nukes, would we be A. more safe B. totally fucked'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'his mom was law abiding.  if the SA rifles and high capacity mags were illegal, she wouldn't have them and he wouldn't have had access to them either'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone tries to rob our food trucks though will get a bad surprise....all our workers have concealed permits, and 2 guns in each of the trucks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/adam-lanza-school-shooter-suspect_n_2304708.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/newtown-mental-health/1773479/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/newtown-mental-health/1773479/'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324677204578183910797348422.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not the mental health, the other shootings'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.infowars.com/armed-citizen-not-police-prevented-massacre-in-oregon/'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just wait, if the economy stays stagnant for much longer....those shootings will increase....perhaps even weekly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I haven't read an article claiming access to his medical records.  The mental health seems to be an assumption b/c he did a crazy thing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that links to a couple of others similar ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then, the economy is only real stagnant in a few industries....if you actually want to work for a living, you can find a job.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there was a quote from his brother, kojiro, but i can't find that one right now'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's depressed across the board, except in a few industries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'manufacturing in Texas is making a comeback as companies from china and california come here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is booming here as well, so is real estate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow, great article tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though interesting that some left wing press are pushing "the mother was a prepper, therefore that's why he did it" angle, which has been part of their plan for a number of years to demonise the libertarian movement'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish they would post the security footage of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can measure how depressed an industry is with a simple test... how are wages doing in that industry?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what part of libertarianism allows you to have a mini arsenal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or encourages I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with it, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the same part which encourages stockpiling rpgs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if you aren't free to endanger your fellow countrymen, how free are you really?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are approximately 300 million weapons in the usa, but only 1/3 people have guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go to a 2 year tech college and learn how to work on wind mills....we have tons of those jobs here in Texas, since Texas is leading the country in installing wind turbines for the last 4 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's only 3 each then'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly an arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on average, but you have people with 1 gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I have at least 20 guns that I know of, and have more stored away in places.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amybe so, twyst, but enthusiasts might have a dozen for various purposes, not all guns are the same, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but getting back to the point, kojiro, you know that the FBI have been teaching recruits and state troopers that returning veterans, libertarians, and preppers are the primary terrorist threat?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because preppers are the opposite of collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and interestingly, the deaths per population in gun massacres in the USA is very little different to the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun massacres are an anomoly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know a company in Virginia that has about 80,000 guns....do they count ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun deaths closely track poverty and gang culture, not gun ownership'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They have guns from when they were first invented to modern guns.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come on'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so gun ownership has nothing to do with gun violence?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1 person died of gun violence in Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying car ownership is responsible for car accidents'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, if you wanted to kill someone, you will do it regardless....even if itmeans ramming a van into a crowd of people at 60 mph'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'uk is less than half of the states per capita'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be licensed and registered to own a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not gun massacres, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in mexico?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so just massacres then, isn't that a tortured statistic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mexico is a war zone practically'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in switzerland?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in australia before their laws changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada has more guns than the US does, and their violent crime rate is lower than the US, but their property crime rate is twice as high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd rather be shot than robbed any day of the week'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Twyst's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brazil, jamaica, argentina, uruguay, barbados'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry brain freeze'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least you didn't cofuse "than" and "then"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should have been a chemist.....chemistry was my fav subject in high school and college.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state has some interesting statistics'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from those stats, you can see that the non-gun homicide rate is fairly low in most states...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just means guns are the tool of choice, if they didn't exist, you'd find knives being used instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure... ever notice the difference in lethality?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to abolish the death penalty.....it does not work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because you can easily stab 30+ people to death before the authorities arrive'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the lowest gun crime states have the lowest homicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the idea of being armed, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all normal countries already have abolished death penalty'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only US, japan, china and belarus afaik'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the lowest gun crime states cetainly do have much lower homicide rates... but their non-gun rate is not much lower, if at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, certainly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing you can do is some sensible laws government the correct storage of guns when they're not on your person'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the best thing would be to have ultimate responsibility fall on the owner'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well so it should'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the owner of the lanza guns took responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if she had lived, she would have been scott free'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she could have been prosecuted. if she got away scott free them blame your judiciary, not the guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'she didn't break any laws, nothing to prosecute except emotions'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes she did'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hence my suggestion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pray tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she allowed her LICENSED weapons to get into the hands of an unlicensed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's accessory to 27 accounts of murder by any accounts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were stolen'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have been possible to steal them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it should be'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they truly were secure and yet were stolen, then it's the thief's responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still the owner's in my view'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it is illegal here. if you own guns, you have to have proper storage for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if someone steals your car, then drives it into a shop front, you're responsible for the damage are yo u?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cars are made for transportation, they are incidentally dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while it is certainly tempting to hold gun owners responsible for negligence like that, in any democracy, you can't convict someone for (accessory to) murder without any evidence of intent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would be perhaps if you left it unlocked with the keys in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns are made for the efficient killing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars aren't required for transport, you can use a bike, or public transport'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any more than guns are required for self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or knives are used for cutting stuff up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i said you should have laws concerning the correct secure storage of weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so should civilians be banned from owning rpgs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, in a pragmatic sense, you can't really use rpg's for self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if someone tries to run you down with a car?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a rpg won't help you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or if someone behind a barrier has an rpg?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a rifle won't be of much help then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if someone sent a drone? Why, wouldn't you need an anti-aircraft missile then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, how many guns are necessary for self defense?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if rpg's weren't allowed, why would someone else have rpgs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, a high powered rifle would do fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if rifles weren't allowed, why would someone have rifles?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rifles have wider scope for defence than againt someone else with rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you'd need anti-tank guns if the gubmint sent tanks against you! Oh noes!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would, but you can be assured that it won't take people long to dig them out if they're needed, legal or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'same can be said for rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rifles are no good against government tanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, rifles are easier to manufacture than anti-tank weaponry'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns cause situations to escalate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll just end up going around in circles here, best just leave it at "you don't agree with gun ownership, despite living in a country where guns are largely banned, i do believe in gun ownership, and if i were to live in the USA, knowing what the people AND the governance is like, i'd fucking well want them"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bull'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the guy in Florida who shot the teenagers in a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for having loud music'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about 96yr old who defended himself and his property against 3 buglars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, knowing what the people are like, I'd kind of want a gun too, admittedly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so the question is whats more common, self defense or senseless murder?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I'd much rather they just ban them and weed them out,.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, we should be a little slower than to judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'iirc more guns are used against their owner than effective self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the bright side, if you don't agree with gun ownership, nobody is forcing you own them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like everyone else not to have them either, thankyouverymuch'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same could be said about abortion, gay marriage'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a spurrious argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like everyone else not to tell me what i can eat or smoke, not to tell me what electric i'm allowed to use, and where i have to live'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no one is forcing you to buy politicians either! So buying politicians is fine, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like everyone else not to steal >50% of my salary each month'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'working out great for your country, there, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally make a choice not to buy polticians'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find buying politicians is illegal in this country, but it doesn't stop anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, and it's perfectly fine with you that other people buy your politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fatuous argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is forcing you to use welfare, so nothing wrong with it right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best make sure we get rid of all knives, too, and forks, and pointy sticks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bad stuff happens, but why make it easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's the argument you used...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could do the same thing this guy did tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I didn't have access to firearms, it would be a lot harder'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'knives, forks, etc. have a large net (measurable!) benefit to society.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why ban marijuana, are we going to ban paint thinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and glue as well?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban cars, motorbikes, ban breathing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban people called Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those also have a large measurable benefit to society.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you disagree? With what? Breathing? motorbikes? Cars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo,  juicier, sweeter, more disease-resistant watermelons are coming soon!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pisses me off to think of white women being ritualistically raped by exploiting black men who are free from criticism because of their sympathy-race card'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'juicer, sweeter, and more disease resistant white women ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't teach 1804 haiti in school because only one race is a criminal that wasn't saudi arabia selling slaves that conform to their religion in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the handoff of the necklace of it's 'non-adolf' perpetrator to the leader of ehtiopea in the 1960's-70's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racism's not alive and well, think liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come african nations are the only ones which openly preach black pride?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or racial pride rather, i guess israel might be close behind'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think china teaches evil japanese, and looking at japanese past-times i'm not sure they're 100% inaccurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'vietnam is proud of fending off the mongolians'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think on it anyways, call it racism or observation which is visible in reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hate somebody cause they're a certain color or makeup, i hate them because of the beliefs they subscribe to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like they're claiming because somebody doesn't say much and is timid, that is a definite sign that they're going to be a serial killer - while they trust in people's ignorance in not remembering the social skills required to run an international criminal organization, fly world leaders around with hobbies of being serial-rapists and murderers, or doctors who kill their own children, are found not criminallyr esponsible in quebec, and become sane right before the law changes making their sanity more difficult to determine'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how that is the same mindless hatred as racists are led by, they lack the intellectual faculties and self-determination of best judgement, quick to go along with the group in their one-sided deliberation of the ostracized subject matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imo, everybody who joins in with their vast generalizations is the real people who's a threat'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people aren't taught about the evolution of places like nazi germany, how they built on the eugenics programs already developed in the west and other places'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody calls you a retard and somebody agrees?  well you're in for it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not joking, they expect people to go along with them because they are the law and the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they'll attack somebody who's not the law and not the media first, that's just how they do things, hypocrites forever'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you ever seen syria danny explained on national television?  how come they found it neccessary to totally stage an interview claiming to be in a warzone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trust in our media and our judgement as being the truth, and punish people who lie about our version of reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does it have to do with the price of heroin from afghanistan ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, that's interesting, somebody with an opinion with no power is more dangerous than a false media story - which was used in university archives of guatemala'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what does the sudden influx of opiate medication have to do with the war on terror?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'want an answer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm antisocial, come join my gang i hate you too much to give you orders, take your own - now we're onto something that smuggles 27 million human slaves in 2011, obviously the power of ignorance is stronger than the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, survival of the fittest and all, he who lies to himself the most is the best specimin to hand into the bunsen burner of the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pisses me off to no end, i just go with the hatred and that's what the internet's for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Amen Dru !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only crime i ever did was crimethink like in 1984 novel, who wrote the storylines for every hollywood movie of horror'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i consider criminals with the lingo of the media, joking about every form of disgust there is on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bothers some people i guess, to see them cartoonized like adolf hitler in the cartoons - their ego demands respect and all that - not their wisdom or guidance'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come i don't fear big men?  i have too much self-respect to waste respect on people i believe to be my enemies'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world of lies or not, worshipping the sacred ignorance to survive - i like to see the truth and to receive it's not very easy'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about syphillis experiments in the usa in 1930-1970, and their promise of no more human experimentation practiced through the internet ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, that's interesting - i guess what they do's no worse than i said - or the synthetic progress systems we're born in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have an interesting mind Dru '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, somebody'll probably try to have it pickled depending how many bullets they put in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's the end , i'm not sure what's there yet though'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wear a helmet for science !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i already resigned myself to death in this world over 15 years ago - the end doesn't intimidate me very much of this life'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll just go until i stop, see what i see and do what i do etc, i'm not going to invest too heavily in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rather accepting the end enpowers one imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I've heard the afterlife has an ROI to die for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is no afterlife , leave it all on the battleground mate '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if you sold your soul to satan, but i doubt god honors ignorant contracts of liars'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if they're real either, but i don't deny they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'best play life like there is no other imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but that's kind of depressing like believing the people born in contentration camp had their little taste of heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't accept resigning myself to that belief, i allow them to be beyond the grave in some possible alternate dimension, like waking up from a dream in a dream'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so much or religion is coping mechanisms , if your comfortable with that , I'll not argue '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and so much earth thinks it's the god of god's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the master-scientist with his human bug collection'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'born with all the power in the world given to him by his dictator pappy and his system of death-enforcement and corruption'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the universe just is, how we navigate is our choice .. sometimes '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope one day they'll fall, but i don't make that hope a religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if it is not action it is nothing imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always coping mechanisms though, otherwise it wouldn't be so self-destructive - coping isn't inflicting harm on oneself to take their mind off the injustice of life'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except in some twisted way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, nothing's subjective, and the subject is nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge is nothing, they just claim all knowledge has origins in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe everything's just a physical hallucination of metaphysics, but i'm not certain about that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got all moribund on us, ChemosH?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would you change if it was ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if there is god, he can reveal himself to who he wills'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are god / as above so below '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is god and they own you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think somebody should put cattle tags on the government and change the order of repetitive operation a little'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am Goddess of my microcosm'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's how they think is how you say, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows, maybe obama will try to ban all guns and you'll have a civil war, that'll stir things up a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah they'll tighten gun control a lil more to make it look like they did something until next time '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's really what will happen, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly thing is there's stuff that can be done to help that pro-gun people wouldn't object to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pro gun people love to argue slippery slope'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death is no good but , if everybody lived forever and reproduced, there'd be nothing left after awhile right?  - the politics i'm most interested in is what's being done to non-violently instill a sense of purpose and responsibility that isn't enforced by other than understanding, transgression understood by the mass ruling itself and dealt with as they deem neccessary - as an eventual outcome of 'human evolution''
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of society'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just when you have dippy cunts like Piers Morgan, who has absolutely no right to even open his shitridden mouth at all on the matter, preaching being an art of heretic hypocrisy on his part, calling for complete gun bans, and other such sentiments coming from celebrities who wouldn't give a shit anyway because they have paid bodyguards'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is irrelavent for me - I break Oz firearms law everytime I leave the house , or am in the house  come to think of it .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Oz's gun crime rates were going down before they banned guns, hasn't gone down any faster since'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's totally perverted and disgusting, ruled by criminals or extreme ideologies of faith in human ignorance, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"when guns are outlawed , only outlaws will carry guns"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what have you seen in your lifetime, that moves towards a wiser world society?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul, Chemosh, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'easy fix, gun position = life in prison no parole'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it mostly violence and fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'possession rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'greed and materialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by my carrying a firearm has saved my butt on more than one occasion , I have not killed anyone with one ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to think of something this year that has made me think positively about the human race'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, can't think of anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I live Tiggy :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is positive :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there  ya go !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well what i mean :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but ... small things :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'first world problems :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that black guy in NJ who got off posession charges successfully because he is disabled and argued medical use and the jury nullified the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am not a first world problem , just a first world soln :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh feed em pot n cut off thier dole '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess in a slightly twisted way, North Korea's satellite launch was a bright point, if nothing more than a sticking two fingers up at the oppressors way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo NK is China's bastard child'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, korean war was a proxy war, but it came about because of failures in the American/Allies handling of the situation after the end of ww2'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't mind having an arsenal of every kind of firearm there was an my own personal nuclear bunker collection - it'd be a thing of survival that probably alot of rich people have set aside for themselves - but one arguement i like about why people should be able to possess firearms, is how armed were the victims of the gulag and the einsatzgruppen in the 1920-1950 period?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sounds like Israel'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's possible some lives get saved because they're armed, in the eventg of becoming a police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the 2nd ammendment was for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost exactly that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second amendment was because of colonial england taking advantage of the colonists'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I believe it is my responsability to protect myself , partially with firearms '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the context, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they didn't dream of modern weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't dream that the people who become outgunned'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't justification for doing away with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can't make nukes - we the ppl - but we can make just about anything else '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not really, 2USAmend grants the right to the citizen to protect himself against government use of force. Though Posse Comitatus addresses that issue now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't make aircraft'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posse commitatus is dead'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that the US has been in a state of emergency constantly since the 70s? President can suspend posse commitatus at any time he wants under that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nevertheless, it is still the law, and 2USAmend does not grant the right to the citizen to use weapons on another citizen, just on the armed forces.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I've flown n made model aircraft for a while , I could make something that flies but not an F-22'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every 2 years they renew the state of emergency under some trumped up nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't say that at all, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hard targets only - include police ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except maybe by 'armed forces' you mean 'aggressors that are armed''
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to the conventional interpretation of armed forces being "the army"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'force as required ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, the citizen has the right to protect himself against the militia (armed forces)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'except now well regulated militia equals joebob'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you might have that a little backwards, the people ARE the militia'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'AND Sueanne :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not defending against a militia (well they might), but not exclusively'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of what i thought when i seen this guy is a pretty influential person though -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren according to the article, there's material written in a 'professional context' by him in the 70's which claimed 210 million people was too much already, america's population is now over 312 million'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holdren's a nasty piece of work'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the people are the militia, I don't argue that. But just as the 1USAmend grants the citizen the right to speak against the government, 2USAmend grants the citizen the right to protect himself against the goverment (when its actions threatens the free state).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/ and then since the elites of this world like to follow prophetic statements by great ones of themselves, tesla's 2100 might be a foregone conclusion in their eyes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we need more consumers to protect the growth model .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how might such a conflict come into force? if Barry Obama or his successor starts launching executive orders that States nullify or decide are unconstitional'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'note he's already backed off with Colorado/Washington about the pot, he doesn't want a legal fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(besides knowing that he hasn't a leg to stand on)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or really caring at all about pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'never direct confrontation ... just bit by bit as the media massages the masses'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama didn't event excutive orders, all presidents use the tool. LBJ used one to lauch the Viet Nam era (though JFK was president at the onset of the conflict).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what this connecticut circus is alla bout'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not 20 dead 5 year olds'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a ploy for political power, gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well on that note Anaristos, let's compare how many Executive Orders Barry Obama has signed compared to the others'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shall we?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teddy roosevelt 3, others prior to FDR, 0. FDR 11 in 16 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually LBJ used an NSAM, NSAM-273'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Truman 5 in 7 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how many ppl has nicotine killed in the US this year ? and we are up in arms about 20 kids ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters did they experience?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ike 2 in 8 years, JFK 4 in 3 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LBJ 4 in 5 years, Nixon 1 in 6 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ford 3 in 2 years, Carter 3 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many of their congressman got together secretly to stall any part of his agenda'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even non controversial things?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reagan 5 in 8 years, Bush 1  3 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CLinton 15 in 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am curious, how many did the Bush sign?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BUsh 2 62 in 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama 923 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(923 wasn't a typo)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'America would come to a standstill'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you hear my thoughts Tiggy '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I must say that less people have died by Obama's execs. Let's do a body count on the ones Bush signed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'due to the obstruction'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, you're talking arse, you're talking like there's never been a split house before'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually split houses are rather common.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing wrong witha  split house'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have interweb, go look it up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel has a split house 
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'split house. in the middle of the streeet..'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ability to filibuster is kept in only because it benefits both sides, it could be done away with the stroke of a pen'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'filibusters are retarded, i don't understand why you people permit their continued usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so claiming he's signed 923 because of filibusters is crap'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'UK Red ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm from singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OH, never been there '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't filibuster in the UK either, if you're wondering'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of ominious, that in 1912 they were preparing for a mass-genocide across the world campaign, and 100 years later there's normalized death again'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't you think?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about due, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it seems to me that the entire american political system functions by trying to make the other side look bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they reckon about every 3-4 generations to clear the mind of the last major war'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'to the detriment of the entire country'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole US system of party politics is detriment to the country, just like the UK system is'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in terms of death we have just had the safest century in history ... can't trade while fighting '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'btw TN, that 900 number is bs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '1-900 give a shit ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Think they meant the 900something executive orders'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also fdr actually signed, 3,522'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I got that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ronald Reagan- 381'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Truman, 907'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit my random argument generator is broken ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '900 might have bit a bit out'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Let me get this, the arugment is the there is something wrong with Obama because he has signed x executive orders?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on his way to becoming Dictator no less'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument was that he has signed many more. as it turns out he hasn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though he has perpetuated the state of emergency and signed some wappers, like the NDAA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so he's not totally off the hook'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the indefinite detention of 'who defines terror' suspects without trial , thus no explaination required and they can fill the cauffers with new 'definitions of terror' indefinitely is the most interesting'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am more concerned about things like the signing of one executive order by Bush was used to bypass US law and violate the human rights of some people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they need to sign that?  is it too hard to explain 'syria danny' to require a jury and explaination of why a man is particularly a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like you, you must be a terrorist - come on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'explain the doctor and air force captain along with your asocial safety'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, let's look about Syria. The US has been after Syria since, at least, the reign of Bush I.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, it can be shown, that both Iraqi wars were related to this goal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'empirism is a given, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still see no personal action taking place ... all words '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get that from either of the two bullies'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, terrorism is usually funded by first world nations :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wish they'd fund me :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that law is a threat to freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah,  for the amount  of money they dish out I certainly might consider that career path :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, freedom is an illusion. You can't have freedom  if you are governed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after they explain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini apparent link to adolf hitler, and how it never made the media - or else, the debate they had to have to define freedom of expression to include religious violence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then maybe they'd be onto something more legitimate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'read the US constitution, you are <granted> rights. Meaning that you don't have those properties naturally but are given to you by someone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Madonna -- Physical'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/canada/story/2012/12/14/supreme-court-terrorism-ruling-khawaja.html they actually had to have a debate on whether or not performing violence in the name of a religion was a ok expression to have'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where can I shoot you Hans !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't perform violence to anybody, but they want to limit my freedom of speech and threaten me because i have an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the people who invent hollywood violence movies and freedom of expression adolf hitlers in south park are very intellectually beyond the same judgement - and i don't have any power like them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you are granted rights hmm, and the people who give them to you are beyond being subjected to honest judgement of the laws they don't obey'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's funny - somebody should start a new country somewhere where being honest is valuable'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I'm going to go start my own country. With blackjack. And hookers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's a difference made between malevolence and portrayal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds great'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I want to be on the committee that selects the hookers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government's nationalizing the pimping industry now in canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Anaristos.. The blackjack dealers select the hookers. And the hookers select the blackjack dealers. It's a sort of balance of powers, if you will'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or were in the news a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru ur wanted in Music '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm glad i never had a daughter, must be funny to watch your little princess whored by your government and the monopolies that provide the values they have'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a son?  they're mostly cannon fodder to die in manufactured war's like gladiator arena'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, it's scary to think of how many people drowned in the north arctic during world war 2, must be a bitch having naval warfare or being military policed across the ocean to die in a war you don't believe in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'north atlantic*'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, if you're going the route of a war you don't believe in, then WW2 isn't the one to cite...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'believe in the war and didn't want to shoot the people who didn't want to shoot him either, but they each received their orders and it was fire or be fired - obeying the old wolf like they teach in the scouts, who minds about understanding what for?  understanding diffuses mindless war'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''darkness and ignorance' are commonly 'likened' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War All warfare is based on deception.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20732325 greek brothel saves football from bankrupcy - so you can guess what the gulag pussy riot is doing in international watergate scandals'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not it has anything to do with one another, it's interesting isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's obvious they're making a bid to join the Lingerie League'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would love a job at Victoria's Secret :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fitting supervisor would be an awesome position :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd like to be the guy who preps models for photo shoots'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd have to be a gay guy to have a fitting supervisor position, though.  Would be a total waste of your time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sure, but my job would be hands-on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I can pretend, if that is what it takes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, it's not like in the movies.  They just know.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, maybe it's not a indication of a widespread international corruption rooted in the crimes of the last century'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they would know but keep a secret :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always look for the worst possible mockery of life conclusion possible, which is what cruel human murderous dictators typify'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so PUMPED need to cool off ! '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oops mischan'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10F16F8385E11738DDDAD0894D0405B878DF1D3 martial law in greece allegation on google search'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so mockery of life expectation was correct at least in somebody elses conspiracy on nytimes.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now's the time nuclear weapons should all be ignited and the face of the earth cleaned with the vermin who caused it to rot from their high places, if there ever was any 'old yeller' scenario to apply them to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's waht i think, depending on how many of my expectations or presumptions are correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll release all the plagues they have stored and stuff and all die together instead of letting the vermin who led them to their death escape their own valuable judgement - only hope for true justice left on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what this world needs is armageddon total chaos war and the end'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let me build a starship and go explore the delta quadrant first though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you can blow yourselves up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you see nothing changing tomorrow, then that's what i expected, thus only hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'up their rotten pie holes heads in ostrich asses'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never stops making me angry, the only thing this world is useful for is entropy'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was god i would use the hate i have for this world to fuel the sun'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you think positive?  see everything you want covered in the devil'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who birthed you to want satan's possessions'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( those people are spawned not birthed... )
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever they are demons fallen angels wendigo little god swamp bubbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can all kiss my ass'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both demons and angels violate natural laws so... How can they exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, how can you wake up from a dream in another dream and then into this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things are unlawful, including the law in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe just metaphors, we're evil dirt worm mutant monkey's who think we're the lord of gods of eternity in our little 65 thousand year old bubble of sentient being'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the ass of the 4.5 billion year old earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as beltegeuse consumes jupiter from our sun in 650 million years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm, we are moving toward Lyra not Orion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are next polar star will be alpha Lyrae (Vega).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bugger it if i feel the need I can always shoot myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'of anyone '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh, have you seen One piece?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the pirate cartoon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i think chemosh will like it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, totinos pepperoni pizza...america's best selling frozen pizza....how sad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've obviously never tried Tony's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am proud to say that I have never hired anyone who has graduated from college.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what do you hire people to do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate, construction, finance, ranch management, and resource extraction is just part of the family businesses.  We hire entry level, and train, advancement from within.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and we just moved into food services, have 4 food trucks in the oil fields, and I am building 3 more right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jobs of installers in the solar industry has increased by 13% from last year.  Go get a job in the solar installation industry.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no thanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think scientists should all give up their jobs until the meatheads who use what they invented figure out what they value about living'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's some good use of science that isn't bought and sold?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all know they're phony, talking about doing good things and that stuff, they're selfish and do it for money and have no real acheivement, which is why reading several philosopher's feels disgusting, because you can tell what kind of a person they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just another problem in the world though, scientists inventions hold up the devils of the world that make everybody else suffer for their own ignorant indulgences'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch though in the future they might have a microchip mark of the beast (real prophecy or man-made mockery of god) installed in everybody's forheads or hands and there'll be automated gun turrets on towers across the inhabited world which follow you like a gps magnet'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows, they study alot of things in them laboratories of theirs - i could find links to articles detailing a system just like that now if i wanted'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they'll find out there really was no neo, and the administrator was the only real person left'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but eventually they'll materialize their ultimate goal of automating life itself, which they simulate in several systems today and in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, there is no god, i finally win!  this is such a relief, and i thought i was going to hell in this world of cardboard cutouts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'free will is the enemy of just about everywhere, robots have none - learn something from that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do robots need to understand in order to choose for themselves?  course not, neither do soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'deviant dreams are the only conception of intelligent mystery they have, which tye can't figure out the independence of the spectres, while picking apart their apartheid thoughts in the lucid world versus meditation'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody's a walking piece of meat which is absolutely explainable through materialism, and simulizable through science'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'simulizable is not a word'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's quantitative along with fictional'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but butchers are the only people that are allowed to make a difference in the world, overseeing the grounds 'killing fields' or otherwise where the fictional people make a difference, always against the slaughter which they don't see the source of'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if something good happens, it's because it keeps him happy while he desecrates it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there'll never be a good guidance on the earth as far as i can see, this is pure death and darkness to eventual extinction'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether there's some heavenly father descending from heaven or not, i haven't seen on in this here waking world before'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only thing keeping hell from being felt until death is illusory security, which he lets be there until he wants to eat again'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of pointless really, he's not even a god, he's a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't he?  maybe there is a satan spirit out there somewhere and other demons and devils like him - but on earth i just see evil people being the source root of all the evil that the rest of the people living under'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the only thing keeping them alive is that they're somehow exempt from aggression of others like them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they work together internationally, is what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what kind of hope is there really for the future, reason to invest in this worldly life and sentence others to live in it through (pro)creation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it feels so hedonistically good and living on, maybe one day things'll change, like a real responsible person not changing things themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'it is obvious that this life hell and death is heaven, what's so cloudy about that? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe, this life can and has been hell before, and it doesn't feel very heavenly does it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the inevitable victory of evil looming over every horizon'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'no good or evil'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'leaking it's way into the paranoia of every little person on earth who can't defend themselves against the monstrous flow of satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i disagree, i seen a flower and it was covered in tar - who put it there's the question of neccessity and design'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the whole world as one big evil experiment conducted by a human who thinks he's satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, they usually see themselves as the good guys'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless there really is a satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think so?  well, since this world and what it requires of us for survival is un-natural, the un-natural belief that evil is good would naturally follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it sure does feel filthy even to them though, otherwise they wouldn't say 'there is no good or evil''
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the greatest trick the devil has done is in convincing the world he doesn't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'the greast trick is god made the devil'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and as time goes on fewer and fuher people have anything at all in life, and the rest of them?  it's like the hellraiser movies where torment is the best thing they have in life, not wasting the pain because it's a gift from their god - but no contrast between this here scenario and history is made to the modern observer'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in the media anyways, but i see similarities'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the rise of evil' such a historic movie, but no correlation to reality tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or today?  ah, that's all ordinary stuff, remember, your ancestors fought to protect your future that you live in'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, we'll see though, even if it's too late, what's in judas store for us again and again - until at least tesla's normalized 2100'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by then who knows'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if this is the only planet with life in the universe, then good riddance - because witnessing it isn't worth all the pain in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Be entertained and enlightened.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_cat_problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only 4 days left until the german codex interpretation, invasion or new ussr or world war 3 or nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think, today the 17'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if nothing that's alright, maybe it'll be new years instead, or maybe nothing interesting'll happen for the next year'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'korean pow camps or whatever they're talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the end of the world itself with all of the high and mighty and all of the slaves together would be better than the slow rotting future they got planned - but that's just me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'who has planned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wherever there's a person who thinks he's god and you're a figment of his imagination that should wallow at his honorable feet and thank him for treating you like shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all got more slaves in mind, new herds of human cattle to consume from, eachother's mutual pigfests etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more efficient ways of making them suffer for their good humour'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look on the internet, study history, look at the world today, that's all the stench of shit that people're high on coming from the ass of the king of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'show me some 'purification' event that'll uncorrupt some fractino of the world in human development'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all they have is genocide , which they had before - and then more perversion , led by the people who caused everybody's values to be sick'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't forgive god for putting me in this world without adequate ability to destroy my destroyers'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there is one, maybe i'm a spawn of satan instead and should blame him'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess blaming the world on god is a sour kind of religion though, even if it is agnostic, it's still fate though that i have to be born inthis pile of shit with all of the human shits around'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'acting like they own me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, getting head out of shit's a better kind of religion, and with that i think i'll leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all mage attack spells afaik'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 3000+ year old Egyptian mummy has been shown to have traces of THC.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'so wat'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2000+ years ago, the chinese were smoking marijuana joints.....talk about enlightened souls.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the shaman tomb they dug up was caucasian though'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just from memory'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'how about the slavery that was endemic 2000 years ago in all cultures ?  enlightened ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slavery was normal back then, so what...if you owed someone money...and couldnt pay...you were sold to slavery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'smoking some plant dont make you enlightened'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'esp since it was only illeagal last 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come china and india both have 1.4 billion people in them, and places with 32-320 million of the same size are considered 'cramped'?  it's interesting, shows some master-race kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think africa's pickin up pace too though, i always found it interesting, looking at surface area and population'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'differing population distributions ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'also cultural differences'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's islam sort of privatizing reproduction, first through the religion requirement and then through the race card'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'all cultures do that... jews discourage marriage outside judaism'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'catholics also prefer catholics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bascule yawns.
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but do jews burn down churches and (well circumcise i guess possibly) entire nations of people?  or catholics?  well i guess they did before according to some history'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen one verse where jesus says to bring those enemies of his before him and slay them there'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'no, jews prefer to play the victim card (unless it's an isreali)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but who knows , mostly it's a pretty non-violent , non-by force religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'oh god are you that schitzo guy who keeps changing names ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'yeah the name change wont help you, the style is apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm the only me on the internet and have a devoted following of various government imaginary people and other leeches'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'yeah i know you'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come adam never asked for a refund on his rib investment?  it's his isn't it?  all of this could have been avoid if god was a good prophet, couldn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jw shows me a book of happy people saying this is how god meant for it to be, and then we say lords prayer 'thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven' and i'm still wondering'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody's really religious these days though, it's all about avoiding the holy warrior and conforming to the gulag death-panels'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know that america made human experimentation illegal in 1976 after their negro syphillis experiments that they started in the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then they went on to continue behind the scenes of this and facebook and other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of funny really, how stupidity is the only justice they know'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/ga3px.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, he's always changing his mind wtf'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 million US workers are tested for drugs each year at a cost of $ 1 billion.....wow, a govt created industry.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Eh, employers must drug test because then workers get hurt on the job and sue the employer when they were under the influence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US govt forcing 20m people to get tested for drugs? News to me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just saying, people say that govt never creates jobs....well it looks like they created a $ 1 billion industry to me, how many more private industry jobs have been started by govt influence ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Guess I don't see the govt influence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'surely you dont blame the govt for telling us drugs are bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drug testing began in the govt employment, not the private industry employment.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so?  The govt doesnt require it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'private employment started doing it to protect themselves as well......and you are missing the whole point.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or even 'suggest' it, its simply the smart thing to do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the point is you made up some bullshit remark out of your ass with nothing to back it up.  I mean granted, thats par for your course, but at least admit it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whatever, so you are denying that the govt created the drug testing industry, that provides thousands of decent jobs and is worth $ 1 billion a year ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yes I'm denying it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'theres simply nothing to back up that statement, or maybe there is, but I havn't seen it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Drugs at work cause accidents which costs employers money, much more than the 1 billion they put into testing, hence saving money. Simple as that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stupidity and disconnectedness causes accidents at work, but drugs are a useful excuse that the government can use to maintain their monopoly on intelligence - let me tell you a joke, that's my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like why you never were what you wanted to be when you grew up'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'And here I thought you were extreme Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not against drug testing, I am all for it actually....I love to see more random testing of truck drivers, pilots, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rationale for a mandatory drug testing program established under a 1988 ruling by the Department of Transportation. That ruling specified that nearly four million private sector employees with safety or security related responsibilities (e.g., airlines personnel, truck drivers, certain railroad and mass transit employees, and employees who handle pipelines carrying natural gas or hazardous substances) will be subject to mandatory random drug and alcohol tests. These regulations require not only tests for job applicants, but also random tests of current employees and specific tests of any employee involved in an accident.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i could tell people use drugs cause other people use drugs, or because they want to feel differently - takign their mind off the clock-work hate-work they do requires testing for drugs, but if they were doing something they liked to do, that would be something they don't want to take their mind off of'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's tesla's shepherds commandment for the year 2100 at work, and all the excuses that make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no possible way for everyone to love their job :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love my job :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people offer me drugs quite often. and no-one wants to test me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho i've been clean for more than a year now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh ffs, how ridiculous are facebook getting? they suspended a user account for questioning the official narrative on the shooting'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the kind of story which makes me glad i don't use facebook'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) JaiMa: 'they may have done so in bad taste though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also notice a story running about a man being mown down by a car driven by someone high on pot, linking it to the legalisation of pot in washington state, which annoyed me because the headline is misleading........ the victim stepped out in the middle of traffic on an unlit section of road, so it was his own fault, and it was in VANCOUVER, which last time I checked, wasn't in Washington state'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like wtfbbq'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to think all news stations should just be shut down'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully the world will end on 21st and I won't have to put up with the poorly veiled propoganda anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'my vacation starts on 21, let the world survive for a couple of weeks more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, at least let me finish these food trucks and try them out in the oil fields first.....*sniff*'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'end of the world is just propoganda to make you now worry about politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly though, Eddie Nimbutre, owner of an Austin Thai Noodle House, didn't have any action taken for posting on facebook: "Im failing to give a damn about the CT shooting. I dont care if a bunch of white kids got killed. F**k Post-Racial bullshit. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me? Personal responsibility, right?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though, I kinda see where he's coming from'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government plans to outlaw cheese'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Part of Antartica to be called "Queen Elizabeths's Land", despite being owned by no country'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(1 of these stories isn't true)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while we're in banning mood, can we please outlaw indentured servitude?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the largest marijuana grow houses in the world is on Antarctica....that is how we fund mcmurdo station.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydroponics?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, using volcanic heat.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a fine place to be, shame there's no trees'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday the volcanos on antarctica will blow, and melt the ice there....'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better ban volcanos to stop that happening then'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a feeling i might be banned at work from telling people to fuck off'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't stop an asteroid from hitting the earth and obliterating life, might as well let Iran have nukes'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you can, you can ban asteroids'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we missed a 180 foot asteroid last week.....we noticed it AFTER it whizzed between the earth and the moon....it was about 100,000 miles from earth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, would have mostly broken up in entry'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have caused some damage if it was lucky'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was roughly the same size as the one that hit russia a 100 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have landed on the house of commons'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Instagram claims the right to sell it's users photographs without payment or notification from jan 16'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-i- saw that coming miles off, did anyone else?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the one due in 2029 will come within less than 23K miles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are obviously going to monetize it at some point'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll all be dead by then'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if they'll retroactively apply those rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one last week will be back in about 2.9 years or so, and probably be closer each time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Earth's influence will definitely tell.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'budget foods cost rose on average 40%  this year'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you that would happen, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt rain in the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, we've banned rain'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should ban the royals from breeding also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can only have a drizzle now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would personally arrest the queen for dereliction of duty'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she should step down and let charles become king.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gheh, Microsoft Japan 'convinces' TV station to remove segments of Bill Gates speech refering to eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bill gates retired because he knew microsoft was dying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now he's concentrating on steralising and poisoning brown people'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with rich people? rich liberals like to wipe out brown people quietly and clandestinely pretending that they're helping them, whereas rich neocons like wiping out brown people by dropping bombs on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use smart bombs now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, smarter than the avg bear bombs anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 10 years we will be using drones that fire highly concentrated explosives made from thermite that burns up to 5000 F'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was Obama's "old pal" Henry Kissinger who in a 1974 national security study (memorandum 200 if you're interested) laid plans for US to bomb third world countries, raping them for resources, to ensure their continued lack of development, to keep their population growth down'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prevent them from industrialising'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the population growth limitation isnt working....breeding faster than rabbits.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, he -was- pretty accurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it also lays out in pretty stark terms how easily third world and arab nations have been manipulated by the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suck em dry, blow em up'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really must get around to passing on this health study to my mp'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Last weekend was another record breaker for gun sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'and a new pony was born'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fantastic'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, due to the number of people injured in riding accidents, ponies and horses have now been banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can only own a donkey, provided it has no legs'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'ok what about riding cows?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ok for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cows have been removed in the anti-bullying program.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect them to be banned at the first sign of bovine related injuries'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anonymous are going after Westboro Baptist Church'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'i know one that wont get banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weren't they all supposed to have moved to a cave in Jordan ready for the rapture by now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'I just want to see the fireworks. instead of hide in a bunker.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If Professor Erik Loomis was at a university in the UK, he'd have been suspended and arrested by now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/18/f-quiet-loner-gunman.html are black people unfairly linked with crime?  lets be fair people , two sided evidence comments'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism are jews unfairly linked with communism?  or is it illegal to ask that question'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how abut islam, is it an inherently violent religion of non-peace, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini or were the sufi's the mainstay?  http://www.hinduism.co.za/islam.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or adolf hitler, is he really devoid of any virtues?  maybe we should take a look at at least two opinions on the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who make horror movies are more mature than the characters in them, like leatherface, so they're obviously less dangerous than a introverted person'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's worse, a man who smuggles 27 million human slaves per year, or a man who doesn't like to be around people'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Columbine happened during an assault weapons ban in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think it's propaganda meant to get people to support sterilization/asylum and eventual genocide of a class of people for being asocial'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but here they're asking a question for public opinion instead of stating otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'turtle power'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so my questions are no less invalid as contrasts'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like if they put an article up, over 54 members of government have origins in the USSR by first or second generation, or east-germany where 1 in 4 people was a state police or agent - should the government be de-communized?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '54 members of congress*'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that makes more sense though than what they're doing, what they're doing makes sense with holdren's 210 million people was too much, how about 312?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'less see the ethnicity and source of his co-authors'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those one's are american at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'greedy pigs'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are also more drought resistant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'which is better green hippo or pink croc?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever you are taking is best :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20774516 'versailles' 1804 haiti swastika eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, this isn't some isolated asocial judgement, this is international '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bow my head in kowtow 5 times per day, i must see a quicker psychiatrist'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody seemed to have a book of quotes once , which were last words of people like a queen of france which were included in the gospel as jesus having spoken them - they were from germany iirc, they didn't say what book it was though - that could be the extent of christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should mental illness be classified a religion, since some actually see the imaginary sky fairies that others kowtow to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does he hath a demon?  only if he's not worshipping mine'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thou shalt not kowtow to false gods, for i the unverified hath said it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok to have imaginary friends as a group who demand you kill to go to heaven, but having your own which isn't as controllable.. that's the gravest sin of the lot'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kowtow to the glory of population control, remember the sacred result = theology/atheism, unbeliever/nonhuman'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'While the arctic sea ice cover has dropped in the last 20 years, the antarctic sea ice cover has actually increased, while the overall thickness of the ice has dropped in some places.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where there's deserts, there's no potash, unless underneath where a lake once sat - but there is http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090220183706.htm which could possibly be biomattered back into the sand to fix some of that problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with being biofuel, supposed to be pretty good stuff , and they say 1/3 of earths landmass is desert'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's a likely consequence of digging up all of the potash and spreading it on the surface instead of what worked before, nothing in moderation etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'gmo everything - see how quickly that can crash: http://www2.nau.edu/~bio372-c/class/sex/cornbl.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only the mutant plants were affected, and nearly all died'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if they could pass that onto certain people through genetic science'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mysterious illnesses and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh: http://banoosh.com/2012/12/15/christmas-trees-given-jellyfish'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'as well intresting'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/the-liars-liar/'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not even worried about it though, they're too corrupt to expect otherwise from'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody judging their government would naturally wonder about it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the wisdom in that?  can you prove it's no problem?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can go out on a limb and ask about the 3/4 patent pending human genome in singapore, owned by the offspring of a nazi corporation and a couple others'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what kind of science they study there, anything malevolent or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well they did search for it, in a very inhumane way tho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'cience dosent have good or wrong, we humans add it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'science *'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they do wrong as part of their curiousity sacrifice and then claim there is no wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using animals and things as examples, devolutionizing their conceptual outlooks on life to that of the animals they believe themselves usperior'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'debate is it just me or is every scientific discovery followed by the question: "now how can we use this to kill people?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there was this 5 year old kid, his father hot tea fall all over him, got 70% body burned. I cant remember if they were on holiday on germany or they lived there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: '70% from one cup ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the Germans took the child took off the burned skin, used a skin spray... Nos his skin is normal he dosent have nipples or bellybutton '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'of his body bascule'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a wonder of science that skin spray'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is not bullshit look for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but they had to pass the holocaust to get that knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is that science good or wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'how do you cover 70% with 1 cup?  toss half a cup on front and half on back ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a fact bascule not going to argue my point is other, go look for the story in the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was a big gulp'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'the story is bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is not'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'don't believe everything you read'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, in that database in singapore, they stated there is 27 million direct descendents of genghis khan on earth - so maybe they found a way that eating a corndog could make somebody susceptible to a disease - but at the least they know who they are and if somebody with some kind of a grudge against the thought of him became god on earth, what would they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen about that on a documentary on national geographic or some channel like taht'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they also admit to modifying the h1n1 virus on bbc awhile ago, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 so, what's the guarantee it didn't originate in a lab in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but like atheist/theology, it's another form of the result i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe making all water sources toxic because it was cheaper that way, dependency on water treatment (here there's all sorts of things that can go wrong, like chlorine burns in a sauna), knowing that one way or another, people use water '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can see that being done, they seem to do it intelligently even after UN court hearings in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was only a couple years ago too that some hackers remotely shut down a water system in chicago or elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that kind of access by computer could add arbitrary amounts of chlorine or anything to the water system - and that was what they used extensively in ww1 to gas people to asphyxiating death'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all kinds of things could go wrong, the few people who know and control it effectively hold vast swathes of people hostage, requirment like kings'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see all kinds of flaws in the system like that, it's not the kind of world i would have approved'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's how they want it that's how they got it - i be like pilate washing his hands of any responsibility and acknowledging the error of their ways letting them choose'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things might be infinitely better if the two sides of the world just absolutely severed all forms of interaction with one another, deporting anybody who hads a problem with it - letting them choose which half they want to be on'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are women allowed to drive cars in bulgaria?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if gun controls work and people still get shot up in their suv's because they only work for the people who aren't cops or criminals - and yet they sell guns to foreign nations to 'level the playing field', how come they don't tell the players to gather up covertly all of the people who they're trying to defend with the guns and launch a nuke at the remainder, instead of sending them weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since they're doing the 'i'm a good guy' risk giving guns to their distribution of the 'resistance' who's aligned with the interests of the 'desirables' and can slide 'trusted word' to them to take cover at a certain time of day when the redeemer's arriving from 'heaven' -> it seems lke a good test of faith, which isn't present in giving guns to strangers'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people just don't use enough nukes, they'd rather change the rights they built them to defend as a last resort than avoid their enemy's concentration camps, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fallout's no worse than that japanese leak or the chernobyl emissions of the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we survived that, so that's just like their global warming conspiracy's'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and from what i could tell , most people don't enjoy living very much in those places, which extend their bullshit laws over other nations which rather conform than nuke them - at least there was one place that didn't suck that much before they converted to the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better to go down in a ball of fire than in satan's concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're basically populations of tortured human shields, who's extended torture is better to preserve than the swift death of their tormentors'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how i see them anyways, i guess there's other ways to look at it though - already you see in political philosophy who can succeed in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the Time Magazine person of the year is..... Kim Jong Un'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that they even consider that shows the shadow of whether or not they investigated the claims of concentration camps and what they value about life'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know they're threatening to arrest anyone who questions the 'official narrative' on the Newton shooting?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised the guy who gave the press conference wasn't wearing jackboots'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only time they'll ever reel anything like that out is if they're hiding something'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communists are funny places, lots of pretending is required if you want to avoid death-camps, according to what i seen of history'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best stear clear of those, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we have the United Soviet Nations to contend with'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we have the United Soviet Nations to contend with'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah i seen that tiger, i found it odd myself - bomb threats at churches though, that's more the kind of thing i could see the government getting involved in (i never seen a problem with non-official unprofessional people's thoughts spoken in a transient context, but things like 'syria danny' if that's really a fabrication - that's more what i could see an honest government cracking down on) -> http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=48960'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communists are funny places, lots of pretending is required if you want to avoid death-camps, according to what i seen of history (i got lagged out before your last few lines, this was supposed to go before them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/bomb-threat-newtown-church_n_2311882.html or there'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look at the conspiracy websites as conspiracy websites, sometimes they provide their source material and things like that - official narratives or not, and so do most other people, i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even made a south park cartoon about somebody shitting in a urinal and it turned out to be the hardy boys investigating 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'michael myers and jason vorhees can both possibly be traced to john wayne gacy, who was a real serial killer - judging from the wikipedia article about them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the 2009 movie grayman was about a real serial killer from america in the 1800's-1900's - they're all fictional portrayals of a official narrative too, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe asking what the reason why the fictional narratives were given is the sorcery witchcraft of the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they have the power of lies though, they can't face the truth without inner enmity with their own false-beliefs of righteousness'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the security they have relies on light never piercing the shadows they call their home'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory it's an interesting study, the problem of heroics is the central one of human life, that it goes deeper into human nature than anything else because it is based on organismic narcissism and on the child's need for self-esteem as the condition for his life. Society itself is a codified hero system, which means that society everywhere is a living myth of the significance of human life, a defiant creation of meaning.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://banoosh.com/2012/12/19/afghan-landmine-blast-kills-10-young-girls/'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'disgusting isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's Obama crying fake tears about that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some of the halls some politicians were raised in though, so i can sort of grasp their way of seeing things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just makes me sick the way they're propogandising the death of kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'shock theory...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'movie "the hobbit". good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mixed.  They tried fiddling with framerate, and several people reported getting nauseous in some scenes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the other hand, it IS a good story.  I would think the nausea thing is less like that movie scene (maximum overdrive?) where everybody starts puking on an amusement park ride gone out of control and more like the fear-of-heights experience one gets from scenes in Avatar.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'problem child has the amusement park i remember, maximum overdrive is an alien device causing machines to come to life - but maybe it has that in it too'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember in year 1999 or so my friend had a sega dreamcast with a game sort of like sonic on it, and the makers warned not to use it for extended periods of time cause it could result in seizures and other complications'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of games had that warning.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'All hail Crytek!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Resurrecting Reason In Our Emotional Politics http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-smalley/resurrecting-reason-in-ou_b_127257.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything the rest of us can join in on, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, it's an interesting article'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea of 'cartoon politics' isn't new i guess, but it mainly started in the 1930's i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i noticed of people's awareness, older people're wiser etc, and the advertisements i read of and the understanding that followed them at their times'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they always kind of exploiting people's emotions though, not very many pure calculators of situations used in what i seen in the modern world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard politicians lie left and right in what i seen of them where i'm from, that or underhand public trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying old people are wiser is a bit like saying cold potatoes aren't hot'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self evident'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think, how much deception and soft warm truth is adequate, to the adults of the cold hard truth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think about the article anyways, i always respected the truth more than pretending to believe what i don't believe to be the truth coming from somebody's mouth - whether or not it's salvation in eternal life or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's possible but, i don't trust you to know that for me, i just keep it in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the instincts i have, but i understand in some places it's important to believe in lies, or at least appear to'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'basic problems being like avoiding the concentration camps of the past, and population control - seems like a couple real problems that should receive constant attention by the not so happy meal mentality of authority'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the way they hardly acknowledge any lingering possibility of a repetition of history in the modern world is rather ominous itself to me, i always wondered how they distance but teach of the past isolated, while not showing what's being done to prevent it again'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a basic kind of problem though that people would be concerned about - along with other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like history repeating itself,  it must give them a sadistic pleasure, else they'd not do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's true like she's saying though, that people's emotions , like jesus descending from heaven to be the master shall be as the servant in the kingdom of heaven, mean more to them than understanding the complexities of who's invoking them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at a marketing commercial on television, see what kind of a response they desire in the viewer, associated with the product, however outlandish it may be - the excitement sells products'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter if they're experimental like acne cream from the 1960's or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always respected honest politicians more than liars though, for whatever cause they fight they at least don't hide it from their people - extorting people's emotional absent mindedness never flew well with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like priests though, hell is anyway but theirs, i understand this basic kind of human liability'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you tink tiger, do you respect honest people who are willing to learn more than liars who hate knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate people who are deliberately or wilfully dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i make plenty of mistakes, not afraid of making them. Many people are'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i'm careful not to be critical of mistakes that others make'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i value wisdom as much as, if not more highly than knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i let people make mistakes too, it's when i see that they're exploiting people's forgiveness that i get that feeling, because they see it's likely people will be maneuvered by some common impulse and through that they can get their way'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not nearly enough people know or understand WHY something as opposed to simply what'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or other kind of natural human factors'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, i never hold onto false beliefs when they can be proven absolutely wrong, but beliefs affect our outlooks on reality - and seeing reality is a pretty sad situation not all of natural causes , it pays be a little more skeptical than would be in a honest world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a reasonable standpoint to take'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for considerations sake though, instead of a toolbox of exploitation, 'with this in mind this is a course of reasoning i could take' for instance - theory of multiple intelligences or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if the world will ever be honestly led though, or even if it's lying now - what the tradeoffs and price of honesty would entail, who's higher calling they're listening to in the event of a trade and what interests are represented by them if so, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is being led?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all around - i understand that there's likely no nation on earth who's actually 'democratic' or equally involved in their own governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governance of UK/US is certainly self interest led'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly not a democracy in the truest sense of the word'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, people take orders from other people, not always knowing why etc, chains of command - who's the origin etc, what is the fundamental beliefs and desires that control the nations of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, we are not a democracy, we are a republic!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not even that anymore, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love for Texas to be a republic, i'd move...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has enough oil and gas to last it over 2000 years if we seceded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, you'd do well'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about other strategic resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe you will, if obama goes nuts on his latest anti-gun rant'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas has water, it has agricultural space, it has sunshine, what else would you like?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas also has coal, wind power, 20% of the nations chemical and oil refineries'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socking great port, too, and the home of the space industry'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lithium, aluminum, manganese, titanium, zirconium'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can trade'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is also one of the leading growers of cotton, which could be replaced with industrial hemp.....Texas was one of the largest producers of industrial hemp before it was banned.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas would do okay as a seperate country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't doubt that, but it never will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less likely now that Texas has been infiltrated by trendies and communists fleeing California'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no state income tax either.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wouldn't matter if everyone in Tx was for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if 2/3 were for it and the legislature passed it, it would happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of Texans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and at least 5 other states would join Texas to create a new country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you'd get 2/3rds atm without a disaster of some kind'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wouldn't evver happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to qualify that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'barring complete financial collapse or anarchy, texas could never vote itself independent of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'see USa 1860'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the secessionists only have about 20% of the vote right now, so chances are it won't happen anytime soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with UK and EUrope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but support has exploded since the troubles'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how bad it gets over there'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if texans continue to have their dollar devalued, and they start clamping down on guns, and interfering in people's lives, they might soon start getting a groundsweel'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one can hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm telling you man, it couldn't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas joined the south reluctantly in the civil war....Texas was mostly neutral.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just be honest and say it's unlikely to happen, because that's where it's at'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it COULD happen, and the international court would have no choice but to rule in Texas favour if it wanted to leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is going to force the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force them to what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to accept it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the ICC?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nato'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think american troops would fire on their own?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'USA could roll NATO by itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you think NATO would attack it's largest member?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'd very quickly have civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be obliged to'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'NATO never signed an agreement with the Republic of Texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would be obliged to join the USA proper?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The clinton admin did a study back in the late 90s, and almost 91% of troops at the time said they would not fire on americans even if ordered to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA were not to accept it, you'd have civil war in no time'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they wouldn't not accept it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats belied by history'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most army and police would refuse to take part in gun confiscation, that's where it's at'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you overestimate the compliance of the army against their own. Rizgoth's figures ring true'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, we have a saying in Texas.....if you try to take my guns...we shoot the lawyers first.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except for the fact that the military already does fire on americans...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no we don't.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry came out against further gun restrictions, and pro arming teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but those are only the "bad" americans, so it's OK'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess you have a chance'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mr hair :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If Texas doesn't resist, then there's no hope for the rest of the states'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'countries don't redraw borders peacefully ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, you only really need that 5% who are willing to fire on their own...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5% wouldn't be enough to win a war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or someone on the other side that fire first'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes it would'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'homicide deaths are about same as drunk driving deaths.  why aren't we restricting alcohol?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure it is, just ask the 5% who had their guns pointed at the backs of the 95% in the soviet army in ww2.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Americans are soviets..... yet..... give it another 10 years maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '5% of the US military is well beyond what would be necessary to keep Texas under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't nearly be enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you have little clue of the US war machine'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50% of the US military couldn't even keep afghanistan under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's that chain of command i considered before, lots of ways to tear down a opponent when there's lots of resources and obscurity in the structure'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alot of that US war machine is also located in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, 1% of the us military could defeat any state/national/regional army anywhere that didn't have a proper airforce.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '50% of the US military was never tasked with keeping afghanistan under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however-much-of-it-was-tasked-there then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not that much, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'none of it was tasked with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't think Obama has the stomach to occupy Texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Texas Rangers will protect us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You giggle in his presence.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the health ranger will protect you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that reminds me of "Da Bears" from old SNL'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be interesting to see texas leave though, it'd be america's pakistan.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'USA wouldn't even have to militarily attack texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OK OK OK, Ditka vs the entire Miami Dolphins'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the could do so economically'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all that economic power they have?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are they going to do, ban exports of jerky?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '14 trillion dollar economy so....yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you added a few more states, you could have a whole india/pakistan split thing going.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much fun, except for those involved.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to pass california in largest state economy in another decade or so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't California currently taxing itself into oblivion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still would be small potatoes vs the other 49'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, california would be in the G8 as a seperate country TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's amusing to see it fry itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'california is a bit like america's catalunya'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like UK but with fatter people'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'speaking of fatter people'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'mike huckabee gained a ton of weight'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to double its oil and gas production in the next 5 years, to 2.5 million barrels of oil per day thanks to shale oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are pretty rich compared with the rest of the country, but because they're losing tax money to the rest of the country, they have a bit of a debt problem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can be assured of only 2 things in life, death and taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask Gerard Depardieu'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how is california losing tax money to the rest of the country?  they are cheating the rest of the country out of federal revenue b/c their high state taxes are deductible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wesley snipes didn't have to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one of those 'thought-terminating cliche's mentioned in totalism'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before the centralized caesar's was people not yet converted to slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, Kojiro, but their higher tax rates will end up bringing less revenue in'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wesley snipes paid part of his taxes, and will continue to owe more taxes and fines when he gets out of federal prison.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'its texas that ends up paying for cali's largesse'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in general the blue states are bleeding money to the red states... would be interesting to see what would happen if the two sides were to separate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas pays more in federal tax than it gets back in federal spending.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK tends to prove the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's why I hope they limit deductions.  Fuck all the rich people who vote democrat b/c they don't understand economics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, texas is an exception'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally the wealthier states lose tax money to the rest of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the other hand, Colorado is known as the Welfare State. Without government subsidy they couldn't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just think, if you shrunk the size of federal government, that wouldn't happen (if indeed it happens at all) sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as is expected and desirable in a union, but still...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, colorado also has about 1.8 trillion barrels of oil that will be extracted someday in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, rainy day oil'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the size of the federal govt won't affect that, as long as congress can vote their own states plenty of money...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city, which means the conservatives subsidising Labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that kind of federal spending is tiny compared to the major programs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's certainly an odd situation, if true'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, conservatives here tend to pay considerably more tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and live in rural areas, the big cities are the welfare and public service pits'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given that the cities tend to generate most of the wealth and tend to be taxed more heavily, while rural areas require more govt support.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the case here, the wealthy parts of cities vote conservative'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weren't you arguing before that the reason why you can't be as efficient as us is because you have to maintain your rural infrastructure and stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During FY 2011, the federal government spent $3.60 trillion on a budget or cash basis, up 4% vs. FY 2010 spending of $3.46 trillion and up 20% versus FY2008 spend of $2.97 trillion. '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very few places here that are sufficiently rural to cause a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'actually, that statement (that rural areas pay more taxes) is entirely false. Rural areas have long been poorer than urban, and has been so for decades (in the U.S., anyway)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if "in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city" as you put it, you ought to be able to reach a higher level of efficiency than us, since we're pretty much just a city...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, not talking about the US, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'oh'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is one of the most efficient countries in the world when it comes to manufacturing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why manufacturing jobs are returning to the US from places like china or india.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ain't returning here, far too higher a cost'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As costs in those countries continue to rise, and efficiency doesnt improve.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I can't even begin to imagine how that could be true... are the roads in your countryside dirt roads or something? No cabling, etc.? No hospitals, people still using horses and buggies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you going on about, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying the US companies like GM would rather pay 15 USD/hr for labor in the US rather than 2 USD in Mexico? '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how is it possible that "in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city"'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the spending per head of population in rural areas is lower than in the city'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What is this 'buggies' nonsense?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you want to travel you walk, or take the longship.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how to make it any plainer than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like to know how you guys managed such a miracle...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see why you're struggling with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where spending per head is lower for rural areas than urban'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about GM, I buy american made japanese cars, or Fords made in Canada, or the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you live in the highlands of scotland, you're not going to be more than 6 miles from a sizeable town and more than 30 miles from a city'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's still a lot of road for a few people...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Toyota has a huge manufacturing plant in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not "a few" people, the whole fucking country is packed'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and electric cabling, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, packed, sure... I've seen your countryside. (once) It's nowhere near as packed as the city.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hyundai is also building a factory in Texas soon....'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but we are still the most densely populated country in europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Japanese save money by building in the US so it makes sense to buy Japanese. But buying GM cars in the US, cars made in Mexico at a huge discount but retailed as if they were made here, is robbery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'densely populated!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'man, you should visit my country someday...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would detest your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this one is bad enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Toyota is supposedly moving the prius manufacturing to the US also, but not sure when.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in addition, US and Canadian auto workers are able to buy their companies' car at an employee discount. Mexican workers are not eligible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the UK was close to running out of food during WWI and WWII, you might argue that it has been too densely populated for some time? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since ww2, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hope it's not because of all the "brown" and "yellow" people running around?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mexican workers have to buy the cars at US retail prices.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given it's surrounded by fish, how is that possible?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many of every colour running around'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the spanish ate all teh fish, the greedy bastards'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, it must be scary :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, our diversity is our strength, sort of.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hans: it's hard to fish when there's an enemy navy just off the shores...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, without the color mix you couldn't get cheap labor, huh Sonshi :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you like monochrome countries, there ought to be plenty in the EU...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they haven't come close to starving SINCE the WWs, merely DURING them when there were blockades'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are the russians threatening our ally again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US will be exporting natgas to the UK soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about time we had another war with the french'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hanslanda, the Russians are the ones being threatened.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wouldn't be a war, that would be a loot.  The french give up too easily.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you forget the French are NATO :) So the UK would have to fight the entire EU.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the french fight pretty hard, but they seem to suck on defense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UK then would ally with the Warsaw Pact :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all that elan and stuff disappears the moment they decide to sit on their hands in their defensive works'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UK can't afford to borrow money for another war though....it took them over 60 years to pay the US back for WWII :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that one of the reasons the US wants so much unrest in the ME is that having all those countries join NATO robbed them of a suitable enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US really had the UK over a barrel on that one...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the US war machine exported a lot of planes, tanks, guns, bullets, and ships to the UK for WWII'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't want unrest in the middle east. They want the middle east to obey them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the unrest is incidental.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though is how today is so much different than the WWII times....we produce a lot more today than we did back then....so no rationing, and crap like that during war times.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but before they can own the ME they must destabilize it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'such as Syria, for instance. They promote a civil war then go in and act the saving heroes and establish a puppet government a la Iraq.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there'd still be rationing, if there was a major conventional war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just unlikely that there'd be a major *conventional* war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jordan apparently has shitloads of shale natgas and oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd have to be another Vietnam or something, where the US goes in completely unprepared or with wild underestimations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no more asking for welfare by them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, 2 kinds of war now, the limited engagement (read guerilla) or tactical surgery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need more special forces, and less tanks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we need more peace.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peace is bad for business, and it never lasts long.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I understand that, still that doesn't change the fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans need to evolve a little more before peace can actually take hold.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, evolution in this case could mean getting rid of the bully.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is the bully ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I give you as many guesses as you want :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that'd only happen when all other stresses are gone.  Bullying arises from a lack of something, and there's literally so sector of humanity as a whole wherein the fight between have and have-not isn't raging full-force.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, bullying also comes from the philosophy that you get take anything from anyone because you are bigger. A sort of pathology.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would requiring equal rights for all citizens of a country before we help you economically be considered bullying ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the ends do not justify the means. Extortion is extortion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is cool, but if it is my money I am investing....I will make the rules. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially since there is a history of working with governments that routinely violate human rights.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so demanding that some countries be fair to their citizens while encouraging others to treat them as bad as is necessary to further one's end is the height of hypocrisy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, we can only bully so many countries at once....we have to pick and choose. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'look at the military budget :) Apparently the government doesn't agree with you :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the military budget is an illusion.....almost 15% of it is just for the nuclear arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even in adjusted dollars, the US budget is at a history high even though the Cold War is over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more probably goes to research than anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what type of research?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new weapon systems'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like the UAV program'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they actively maintain a research arsenal of 50 years into the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bio-warfare, efficient delivery systems, tactical solutions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but where is the comparable enemy that requires such effort?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the key is not defense but offense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an illusion, we have no actual enemy right now, but old rules dictate large expenditures on programs that we do not really need anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pentagon wants to change those rules, but congress keeps getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, need is relative. As someone above pointed out, you can't make money in peacetime.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like having 12 super carriers, why do we need 12 super carriers that cost $15 billion each ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and as far as research 50 years into the future, why not devote the fruits of the research to promote universal well being?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or why do we need 28,000 tanks ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially when tank warfare is obsolete :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everywhere.  They have to engage in the research in terms of long-term trends.  For example, they might get better value by not fatally-decimating a population with conventional arms.  In this example, they might focus a larger effort on non-lethal alternatives.  This is how the sonic weapons came around, because some high-level type complained to some other high-level type that the military was getting too kill-happy or otherwise interfered in some other operation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, like the world wants well being, haven't you seen the place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New artillery is useful though, especially when the new guns can shoot 50 miles, and use tactical nukes if necessary.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's very noble, Hanslanda, but unrealistic. The aim is to remove the population without damaging the infrastructure.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't conquer territory if you leave the population intact. Iraq is a very good example even if we ignore Viet Nam or Afghanistan for the old USSR. It really pisses people off when they get invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are lots of good programs though, such as the UAV program....the predator program was a complete success, or the local theater anti missile defense system'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that anti missile system protects Israel from missiles right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a modulation thing, Chemosh.  If the victim starts accepting their annihilation as a matter of course, they might wage war on the infrastructure or some other value you see in the region.  I mean, imagine what would've happened if the Iraq War was so quick and painless for everyone that the only folk who died were the actual terrorists?  Maybe the next war wouldn't be so easy, but if the next 3 operations were, then it's likely your fourth operation--despite being obviously able to target just the terrorists--could result in the elimination of an entire civilization population.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because you go to war doesn't mean you have to fight the other side.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think Israel should be protected, allowing them to threaten their neighbors with impunity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Let me ask you this, what would the US do if they were sortied the way Israel sorties their neighbors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel has the right to protect themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What would the US do to Canada or Mexico if their troops routinely crossed their borders?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The last time that happened on US soil, Mexico lost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So does Iran, Risgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree, let iran build a nuclear power plant, I dont care.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first it would have to be shown the Mexico actually crossed the border. There are doubts about that :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but we do agree. the US would not tolerate infringement of their borders. So why should any other nation? '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's alot of ways they could have already had nuclear weapons given to them to worry about a nuclear power plant'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just from what i read in the news and what little i learned about history anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power makes sense to iran, they have huge oil and gas reserves to sell, instead of using internally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming nuclear power is safe, it makes sense for any nation to establish the resource. Any nation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran also has tons of uranium to use.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you don't think that the unrest there has no outside source? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't know, they've been terrorizing people's minds with jehovah's witness end of the cold war world religions since the end of world war 2, so who knows , except them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems odd that nations rich in uranium are not very stable :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because might makes right, Ana.  If the US is to be the de facto enforcer, you necessarily have to give up at least part of your right as a nation to keep them out, if not the raw ability to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran just wants to sell its oil and gas to whomever wants to buy it, and use its uranium to produce the power it needs to keep growing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's very noble, Hanslanda. So, that goes back to the question of bullying :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just let the russians oversee it with the world nuclear regulation group to make sure no weapons are made.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the US wants to destabilize Russia, too. They already took the huge (if mistaken) step of destroying the USSR. '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me point out that, by looking at a map of the region, it is obvious that Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, together, form a platform from which the US can attack Russia to the North and China to the South. So, we can ignore the good guy image and concentrate on the strategic nature of the US involvement in or against those countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it also explains the US support of Israel. The country place the role of the stone in the shoe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plays*'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your enemy believe they're bigger than they are is probably an art of war thing too, i keep that in mind sometimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like wondering why so much media is owned by foreigners and local opinion is dictated by the upper management so much'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/19/pol-niqab-supreme-court-witness-testify.html that's different, but they already remember having raped them and who they raped if they did rape them - so it's a good question isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they're not trying to freedom of expression physical violence in that case, sort of the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better than australia where you can get away with rape cause she was wearing tight jeans, but that's kind of universal isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Obstructing justice. 139. (1) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice in a judicial proceeding -- so the people being accused, if they know what they did, wouldn't stand to gain anything by seeing her face as it currently is - and what they're complaining about , since it has no bearing on the situation, could be seen as obstructing justice'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just what i think looking at that, they'll probably burn down some churches and hunt some unbelievers in protest and things like that though'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they do on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the title / subject of the article'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a few weeks ago they had to actually have a debate for a few months over whether or not violence is a religious freedom of expression -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/13/pol-cp-scoc-terror-khawaja.html see, so this other article is whether or not the victim of rape should be required to remove her head-covering to identify her rapists - and i figure they'd remember what they did whether or not they seen her'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems ridiculous, I understand the need to face your accuser'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is a family member, so they know who she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it seems rediculous, is it rediculous to delay the trial over the accused desire for her to violate her religion, which they seem to take pretty seriously when not under fire?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funny stuff huh, i always keep an eye out for the sympathy card and how they use it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I am agreeing with the accuser in that it should be okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Since 6USAmend is in the BIll of Rights, it takes precedence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Reason for the delay: The prosecution may not excessively delay the trial for its own advantage, but a trial may be delayed to secure the presence of an absent witness or other practical considerations (e.g., change of venue). -- this is america wii page on 6 amendment, but even here - if male muslims playing the poor-me card poor-me the court when it tries to trespass on their beliefs, then what about a woman who the accused would know what they done to, who doesn't really need to be seen for their guilt to be examined?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i'm thinking on, it seems almost hypocritical, and especially if she's not lying - i understand reading facial expressions is one way to determine that - but probably not the only '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah its a bullshit defense, hiding behind the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, maybe religion absent from courtroom would be best - like why did they have to debate whether or not violence was freedom of religious expression before?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there really a debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that sounds bogus as well, all freedoms are restricted'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. your right to swing your fist ends at my nose etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i think religion should be left out of the court-room totally, not trying to make itself exempt from the law - although here if those males are muslims trying to get her to break their religious law, that's what i found most interesting about the decision'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in theory, and only in theory, religion should not be a factor in matters concerning the state.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since male muslims go crazy across the ocean and 1000 miles of desert cause somebody in florida burned a book'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, i'm thinking in terms of not being hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not necessarily the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the hypocritical aspect of this is that they would force her to be covered up in public, but are using it to their advantage in court'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you think Catholics would not berserk if, for instance, someone burned down St Peter's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'blatantly disrespecting someone's religion is a good way to get fried anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people are silly that way :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  why is that?  if they know they know the truth why should they be offended that somebody else doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not about them not adhering to their religion, it is about disrespect'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the two things are not the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a matter of pride and self-image. They define themselves by their religious beliefs, attacks of those beliefs are personal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no different than Lakers vs Heat or UCLA vs USC :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at SnailBot Anaristos, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it has nothing to do with god at all then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some metaphysical beyonder'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty shallow defense if you ask me'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which one, the criminal defense'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the one about faith being part of their identity'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the faith + the things they do to protect it, being originally in their own group-identity, versus heavenly'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes me wonder why they locked charles manson up really'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some types of antisocial behavior is more acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially because everyone does it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are*'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as is common anyways, not saying there is no god except i don't see the sky rumbling with his voice as he lets us know he's in on our religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'beliefs are by defintion irrational'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no point in bringing logic into it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, what if i was to write a book today called the new religion, and then led an army to conquer a country, and raised their survivors in concentration camps where they learned about the religion (as history says charlamagne did amongst others) and how heavenly father wants them to do things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'faith that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make an ebook and sell it on amazon.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'killing in the name of a creator is completely irrational. It violates the very principle one is defending.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sure god almighty would even understand such a human observation, being observant of their wicked ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What the perpetrator fails to grasp is that killing in the name of god gives god a bad name because it indicates that this god is partial to some of his creations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i see absolutely no guarantee that that's not the extent of any surviving religion - only on the stories or pages of some i read i seen information that seemed not concerned with this material world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like racism or nationalism are used to set people at odds with one another, religion - some commands not to have an ego or that your human ruler is god's will and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of disarms opposition to being slaves or mystifies self-sacrifice guided by the priest etc, all things which are handy to this mortal world - which doesn't mind consuming people at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there also seems to be some good teachings too which are more what i'd consider a real religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in history that at the death of pharoah they buried his entire servants and cat and various people like virgins occasionally (this was done in south africa too as late as 1890), called oni, and often yearly they'd kill more people after having them memorize a message to carry to their dead leader in the afterlife - so some people's religion is recorded as being absolutely rooted here with their deity in heaven being their master on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'suitable to slaves to have in death with refreshments on anniversaries etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just some of the things i think about on the nature of religion - i'm not very keen on the thought of worshipping the people who rule this world forever in the thought that there might be one beyond'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, interest on the US debt for 2012 is $227 billion or 6% of the budget.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least some religions include acknowledgements in their own pages though - O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! (Romans 11:33) '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a big chunk of that is interest owed to Social Sec trust fund'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Dutch authorities have decided to approve a motion abandoning a law under which it is a crime to insult God. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20530428 there's still hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '.. like who knows who god is?  in all cases it's a human who's insulted on behalf of god - it's like a schizophrenic defending the rights of his imaginary friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my imaginary friends have rights !'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get the point though - but flag burning in the same category ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible even supports that , i think - Be not deceived'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible even supports that , i think - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. -- Galatians 6:7'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what goes around comes around - Hells Angels :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'flag-burning's symbolic like book-burning, each has it's meaning to a certain demographic, and whoever burns it has something against that demographic - which is understandable'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least it's not people burning - which they figure's more acceptable in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people burning was acceptable in the dark ages'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"monk BBQ show" ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'happened in the 70's-80's ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self immolation as a form of protest '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'over Tibet ? not sure the details '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'during vietnam, certain monks protestede the war that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'still here Dru ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Airbus opened up a jet manufacturing factory in Alabama.....and they are hiring 1800 people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The unemployment rate in north dakota is 3.2%, it is .06 % in western north dakota, and the rate is 4.1% in south dakota.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And next year after they open some more wells, the unemployment rate will be negative? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is dropping like a rock in montana also because of the expansion of coal, oil and gas in eastern montana.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Walmart is starting new employees at $17 an hour in western north dakota, and they need 124 new employees right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'flamingos'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i qouted that from a movie'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and if i remeber correctly it was Einstien'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'who said it*'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2000-3000 jobs open every month in western north dakota.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'sorry I was gone for too long folks.. I had to get drugs.. Sorry It happens.. But when it doesn't.. You don't wanna be 500 times richer than I am;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you like that?  it's all verifiable'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre was an ethnic cleansing which was carried out on the remaining white population of French Creoles on Haiti by the order of Jean-Jacques Dessalines. Emperor Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia briefly visited Haiti in 1966 (he was the only head of state to visit the country during Duvalier's presidency[29])'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during his visit, Duvalier awarded him the Necklace of the Order of Jean-Jacques Dessalines the Great, and Selassie, in turn, bestowed upon Duvalier the Great Necklace of the Order of the Queen of Saba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum, not far from the border with Eritrea. The object is currently kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and is used occasionally in ritual processions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Ethiopia (i'm just getting at whether or not racism is very alive and well in the world) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma (papa doc also is quoted in article as having placed a voodoo curse on JFK), God expects us to rule this country because we are the only organisation which was blessed by pastors when it was formed. It is even blessed in Heaven. That is why we will rule until Jesus comes back. We should not allow anyone to govern our city when we are ruling the country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if so, how much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mount where jesus spoke from is also, apparently from what i seen, one of the muslims 3 sacred sites - in one interpretation i seen, defeating the worshippers of other gods and claiming their sacred sites as their own'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just outside of israel'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's all pretty weird, seeing black people claiming to be the real jews in some propaganda, muslims claiming jesus was a prophet of allah etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read some stories in the news about it, and you can look it up '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think though, what's the nature of their multiculturalism and liberalism?  and what's being done to make sure it's not all racist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine most of it isn't racist, but judging from some of that it appears some of it definitely is'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus IS a prophet of Allah, but he's basically just another prophet.  On the level of, say, Elijah.  In Christianity he's THE prophet, said to bring about the end of the world when he reappears (ie, the plague of Jesus).  In Judaism, Jesus is also just another prophet, with the role of Messiah being passed around each generation like a local council chairmanship (you are born into the role, but if the conditions for your ascension don't happen then you vacate the role of Messiah and someone from the next generation is chosen).'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jews moreorless seem to agree that for his generation Jesus was not the Messiah, and since Jesus is very "obviously" dead then him coming back wouldn't make him the Messiah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen other ways than literal interpretation of the gospel, some like a code - and jesus demanding people to kill those people who didn't want him to be their king kind of puts in question alot of the benevolent character of jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at charlamagne as an example and what kind of christianity he taught to people - it's no different than the barbarians slaughtering people on the news in other places in the world today, except more systematic like concentration camps - they were enculted by a murderer and their generations hence thought that was the root of their salvation and followed it in various forms of sacrifice, all of which originating in a murderous tyrant called charlamagne'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people're afraid to stray beyond even that religion, or to see that religion as the basis for other's religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in communist countries they treat their chain of command like religion too, their leader is the living avatar of god, if they disagree then they go to concentration camps in the same way - it's just survival instinct to pass on the brainwashing from generation to generation possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though the only root in mysticism or divinity in the religion is what was pieced together from outside sources around the will of the being in the book'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see christianity as a concentration camp that de-claws everybody born in it from ever recognizing the enemy who placed them in it, same how i see other religions - adding god's will is not your survival , and the man who owns you is placed there by god to the mix'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FoxMulder: 'is anyone debating with you on this or are you just ranting'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just decompiling religious brainwashing and racist cults'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'feel free to point out where i'm wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for example, parting the sea by moses, it's so amazingly unthinkable how cold somebody do that?  but in the book people are water, god is not the author of confusion, religion sets one against another, flooded the earth global flood, whore sitting on water etc - it's riddles that can be decoded to be no more than human'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all things are like that though in real spirituality, i think, just sometimes allegories can be seen in the world even'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that they're worshipped as god might give them some kind of a black-magic 'you know not what you worship' jesus saying over the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like if you consider that from 1960-1990 or so every male born in hospital was basically mandatory circumcision in several nations, in genesis 9:11 is mentioned a pact with god to never flood to utterly destroy the earth again (circumcision of the flesh) while in revelation 17:15 the waters whereon the whore sitteth are nationalities, and peoples and tongues'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, by chance we got some mystification of world war 3 possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there's alot of pieces to the puzzle if you look for them, it can be even pretty convincing, somebody shaping world events as people's god's will or whatever they are, forms of cynicism, or just random chance'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's that guy they say associated with 1997 thailand with his anti-bush america is a threat to world peace, think-tanks from ussr, new ussr 'unknown until now' politicians in armenia, 'receive their power one hour with the beast', museum's, tmt, 'we can't see the bottom quote' from the bottomless pit'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of weird things like that to see, it's almost too random to not have a pattern'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even another funny one was alexander the great plumbing being the result of a google search on a phone number mentioned in a movie about the watergate scandal -> so there's even some more water after genesis 9:11 and revelation 17:15'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of a metaphysical machine of intelligent design they built is what i think, whoever they are - but rooted in hellish mystical beast or the authors of charlamagne's concentration camps?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager more on charlamagne, because odds of being born in the end of the world out of 4.5 billion years of the world, or 65,000 years of humanity aren't very good'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros like this is what i think i meant, "We witnessed the collapse of the financial system ... It was placed on life support, and it's still on life support. There's no sign that we are anywhere near a bottom."'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just going along with the bible allegory reasonings, somebody on here pointed out that guy awhile back, i noticed that quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bottomless pit/fiscal clifff, seems like it could be similar'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody mentioned the knesset to me once too on another program, i don't know why but they sure had alot of weird stories to share'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i could see jesus is a lie especially to some wealthy individuals who think god is false, and maybe once in awhile they like to prove to themselves how false their god is by manifesting it's demon's through their own systematic destruction'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause people can be evil like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like a higher level of mockery'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like mine better than davinci code and theirs though, it has less art involved and goes straight towards the mind of the artist'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody has any thoughts on it cause it's not an official fiction?  that's fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just random chance that 'new jerusalem' got renamed to munster, pronounced monster, in the 1500's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's amazing randomness if anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's an unindexed bible verse on google too - which says 'truth is twice what is' or the spirit of truth, and the saying 'double-cross' means betrayal, also the second death, not one cross but truth is twice what is, does this indicate anything out of the ordinary?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember reading it in there anyways, i'm surprised i can't find it on google'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tesla expected population control to be an ordinary part of everyday life by year 2100, see how prophecy's are fulfilled'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'll be ordinary societal practice'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another USSR prophet, karl marx was german like the guy who translated mayan codex (but this might not go anywhere like a guidestone)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if suddenly the continents flipped like icebergs cause a prophet seen it in the future and man didn't install the hydraulic systems yet, that's more the kind of real prophecy i would believe in, even though it'd probably be fatal to witness - anything involving humans, recorded in history, almost invariably is humans in control who shape everybody's fate underneath their own, and guide their prophecy's into fruition, as can be witnessed in the gospel story where the high priest pays the servants to make his predictions accurate, while pilate washed his hands of the whole situation'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though the story may be false in it's entirety, it still does show some legitimate skepticism into any divine nature of anything in the power of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2 Timothy 3:5 -- Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. :: see?  that can mean like what i'm saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead most people take it to mean a curse on themselves, and in a way it sort of is'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard something about the black plague not being a disease once too, something about arabia selling slaves, something about the slaves taking up their religion as their own against the people who bought from arabia and various other things that're interesting, like last words spoken in the gospel'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the silk road's cool too though, imagine china being over 3500 years old, how old the texts they have in their library's might be'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably know alot of things that everybody else guesses about'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mao's ww2 death-toll also is pretty inspiring, accumulatively it looks almost like the amount of casualties of the allies and victims of the nazi's - from some sites i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently it was people killed in chinese concentration camps though, apparently chinese people'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine that?  65 million people according to some sites, and not even a mention in history along with the nazi's (whose opponents are also missing from history)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's all history i guess, no way to verify history without being there, except to accept the official versions passed down, someplaces against the law to question those'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they don't plan on repeating it, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my grandpa knew about chinese water torture somehow, drip drip drip, which they used in east germany after ww2, but he was apparently born and raised in canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1 in 4 people there was a police or a informant'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in russia i read it's 1 in 298 now'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i believe him, probably just learned about it from somebody elses experiences or something - but i found it all pretty interesting'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 1901, eight orchid hunters went to look for rare orchids in the Philippines. One of the hunters was eaten by a tiger, another had oil spilled on him and was burned alive, and five others vanished completely. The man who survived the ordeal collected 7,000 orchid specimens.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds almost as odd as the tomb of king tut necronomicon and the missing people surrounding the mummy franchise'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Axil: 'rawr'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if big business is the enemy of small business (example monsanto memorandum of understanding owning over 127 trademark companies which were took over by them, independent in name only) and communism is the enemy of independence (everything is managed by the state, and it's 'corporations'), then is the eventual outcome of capitalism, communism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never seen much of a difference myself, everything is populated by a ruling class and a antfarm'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if mockery of god is a crime that burns down churches and hunts unbelievers, what about vocabulary in the workplace?  why should i have to tolerate their monologous verbal assault all day long?  should that be a crime too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since i showed that mockery of god is somebody being offended on behalf of god, who is not mocked, effectively protecting his imaginary friend - what sensitivities god has being defined by their religion, maybe your imaginary friend is offended by something other than mine and we have an equal opportunity law to uphold'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'organized imaginary friends or else you'll burn in hell , unenlightened one = religion, lucifer the priest'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who have their own imaginary friends are crazy, they should be locked in asylums for deviating from the will of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lord sees our imaginary friends for us'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can there be such a thing as mental illness and religion coexisting simultaneously?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crazy people can say to religious people, at least i have my own imaginary friends, you posers'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have my mind fixated on the inability to see the angel who told the prophet to tell the scribe to write down what i'm reading'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this keeps my mind under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody really has any thoughts on the place of religion in the world of mental illness definitions hmm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's alright i guess, it's just one of those darknesses that the professionals see through'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at the world, you expect people to have faith in somebody left standing's version of god, and underneath the upright among them who is above - why would god subject himself to their control in a world that contradicts the very thought of heaven?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then punish people who doubt that story in light of what he knows to be the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you want to become an inquisitor chemosh? They were fashionable in the middle age.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's all kinds of inquisitors in the world today, not all of them are religious though, at least not in the beyond sense of the word - more concerned over other man-made structures'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there is still hope tho http://youtu.be/8-SiYQ8s_6I'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did the world end ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'does the Maya day end at sunset or midnight?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the sky has turned red already and its only 19.34 here'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, we lost 4.5 hours in the day?  There goes our tv time!'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops. its just the wine bursting out from my eye sockets'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Support Freedom!  Buy a gun, or 12!'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'true freedom would be if we could get guns for free'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, that is communism, move to cuba you commie. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal tsks Rizgoth.  You feel sorry for him.
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuuure, $150 million for a minimalist super yacht.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get to shoot zombies? :('
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alberta's the only canadian province with it's own embassy in washington dc -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2012/12/21/calgary-schools-closed-threats.html all of a sudden they got threatening behaviours, but they're on top of it - cause unarmed is safer than armed?  i'm not so sure that's not intelligently designed'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of like their selective criticism, as you see on latimes.com homepage, the protestor is holding a sign claiming the nra is killing our children'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they said that about some other organization, indeed it's illegal to even consider some of them, what'd happen then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not making that up, looks like they changed the homepage for latimes in the last hour or two though'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Above, a protester holds up a sign at the news conference. ' -> but they changed that'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like a repentance pose, see what some people think?  that sells my agenda, but i'm not quite that bad - i see that you can repent and am a wise guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's on your side, protecting you from the mob being the mediator of sanity, which you're the only obstacle for'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i see anyways, i'm a pessimist though, unlike 99% of the population'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you have 2 choices, euthanize the retards or demonize the 'indefinite' nra?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funny system of social engineering you got in affect there, with some strategic ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's what it is i mean, i'm just considering the media - and that's one way i see it '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe everybody else does too, i don't know - best to take things all at face value'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mean, it's no good that people have to be armed when the only animals to shoot are other people - but if you seen people like i seen people, it's understandable not to trust in history not repeating itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '312-210-30 = 132 million'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible how china has 1.4 billion people in a area of land not too extravagantly bigger than america or canada, and india has what, 1.2?  and there's apparently a guy saying 210 million is too many people for the space in america at least, not sure what canada's quota is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see master/slave races and all that, nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren not saying it's real or anything, but there's sources at the bottom and things like that, global population controls etc, balancing acts, logic '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we need another 50 million living in california.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and perhaps another 50 million in new england.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'already showed what i think of the spread of islam and it's laws, 'as theology/atheism, unbeliever/nonhuman = a tool of population control''
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tools of population control are too numerous to number possibly, but they can be identified by reasoning out their eventual course of action'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/ there's the sign the protestor's holding, not yet removed from the site'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tell me what the definition of 'terror suspect is' as they're there portraying the NRA , the protestor, which if somebody accused somebody else of a 'protected group' of what would happen to them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it odd? that's what i noticed, the hypocritical judgement and the openness of the one-sided criticism of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as you're hating on my side, hate on - thoughts to the contrary are the only problem i see'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of it rizgoth?  is that a fair sequence of media events?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess as long as the public's allowed to have it's opinion that's the main thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the kind of exploitation i don't agree on, it's all handled by stupidity with fears not conversed in open-debates, as the government itself is beyond debate in those and it's possible future motives are seen as classified - basically treating people like babies who can't think for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's understandable, if people like that article suggests and stigmatization of minorities being present with gulag-esque martial law in effect, in a world without those other problems that the neccessity for weapons of killing in people's homes would be there, since there's not many non-human animals to hunt anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree with that 100%, although in a world like that, people would be more satisfied and wouldn't feel as compelled to kill eachother too, so setting things beyond reach is only a measure against a larger failure'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Many organizations that are accused of being a terrorist organization deny using terrorism as a military tactic to achieve their goals, and there is no international consensus on the legal definition of terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations so with your 'indefinite detention without trial' of 'terror suspects' and the sign the protestor is holding here http://www.cbc.ca/news/ stating 'NRA killing our children' for wanting to do their 2nd amendment while placing armed guards at school , do you think the politician there could have a use of the law?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and before that, it was asocial retards who were the obvious problem, orated over on all media sites covering the story in the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another application of their 'what is the definition of terror'?  it's possible - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_%28sociology%29 ->  refers to social processes through which ideas and actions come to be seen as "normal" and become taken-for-granted or 'natural' in everyday life.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see people paying attention to 'the rise of evil' historical video's on the nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did they notice it rising while it rose then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were the victims of bolshevik deception misled?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some things i notice about it anyways, i can't prove my own self wrong and they seem to fit into my expectations fairly accurately - but there's always the possibility that i am wrong about them, however invisible the good nature of humanity may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's even funny that an american burns a book and across the ocean orators condemn the burners cause they blew up a church and hunted some unbelievers in response - in comparison to here american's defending their 2nd ammendment are being portraited on a mass-media cubicle spread across the western horizon as baby killers -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/ see that?  look at the photo shoot, couldn't they have selected one that doesn't condemn itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'll be gone in awhile, like they removed it from latimes within a couple hours of placing it there - but it's seen by probably tens of millions of people today, who don't notice the contrasting hypocrisy of the situation'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they might'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution portrayed here as a 'baby killer' the NRA in the sign the protestor is holding, recently removed as the cover-picture from latimes.com, on cbc for a short time -> http://www.cbc.ca/news'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what kind of reaction did america hand to the man from florida who burned a book, and got blamed by the media of the west and the government of being a worse criminal than those people who slaughtered innocent people in response'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sickening level of hypocritical stupidity, i think on yuri bezmenov sometimes to keep sane, but he's just a conspiracy i think '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it's pretty sure that russia and china didn't already defeat america's military in foreign lands, the media says they're still out there anyways - not quite as consistently as at first'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like on bbc a few months ago, chinese subs were tailing american warships, and a russian sub was off the east coast of the usa'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to reason out the stupidity i see is all'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, philip morris has bought an additional 25,000 acres of northern california mountain land on top of the 50,000 acres they bought a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the news claims japan sword they'd shoot down that rocket if it crossed their airspace, but they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's all pretty interesting isn't it, australia and arabia controlling the media, news story about australia needing to ally with china or america'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess we'll see what happens though, probably that's not the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'syria danny's a real endemic media experience though isn't he?  who woulda thunk that re-enactments wouldn't be noted in the news reports?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming it's not a fabricated fabrication that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished is an interesting movie, i seen it a few months ago - who's the directors?  i was reminded of several social discrepencies in the 'allied world''
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the narrator claims it's the nazi's, but in that entire video i can't remember seeing a single one - although they did an interview later on with a man claiming to have been a shameful member of the film crew sent there'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all of the evidence indicating it was the nazi's is in the form of journals, with such phrases as 'to future generations' in their literature'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i found it questionworthy myself, as all the evidence of the contrary is based on somebody's words'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind of crimes you see portrayed in the movie are mentioned in a speech by hitler in 'declares war on poland' though, look it up on youtube - i'm not sure if it's legitimate or not but that's what's included in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs there it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so when looking for reasons for this world i keep things like that in mind, not fearing political correctness in eliminating misconceptions, since any truth can stand a challenge and come out on top'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be though, just some master-media minds or whatever they are, still doesn't explain the disparity in modern culture though, as it resembles the video more and more every day'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that indicates to me a common director - like how hugh heffner is so very successful in setting the goals of all american males in a smorgasborg that he mysteriously possesses, or other superstar's of mysterious fortune - public examples of what you want and what i have, how can you get it?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the contrasts in the video, see if you can see the contrast i contrast'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a pretty ordinary procedure practiced everywhere, and i think they're basically the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should hold a public burning of books every single day on international media until they give up on killing themselves over it - maybe if they killed everybody good in their borders then nuclear weapons would be an ok pest exterminator'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although i understand doing things to piss other people off, but within your own borders of freedom of playboys?  hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a more valid response than conforming to their oppression'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just me, i even hate christianity because charlamagne taught it to my ancestors in concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9KRaaZ7Yk'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Axil: 'and it starts'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is pre-clearing products from certain supply companies, in approved locations, so their shipments are not checked, a security vulnerability?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was reading about it on new mexico news or possibly somewhere else like alaska/washington state news'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently they'll have a unbroken seal applied at the place they send it from and then it goes right through without a look'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no more or less a security vulnerability than any other screening process, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it could enhance security when combined with the ordinary manual check'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gps tracking the route of the vehicle and stuff - i think it's still good to look over it though - because if they could see some money to be made at the point of origin, they might be able to see a way into the loads to ship whatever they like'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's just what i thought on it, pre-clearing things sounds like less of a ease of work-burden and more of a ease of explaination'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter where the check happens, point of origin or checkpoint...there's always a point after that point'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who got rich selling drugs pretty much own whatever they want though (or people, big business there, apparently 27 million in 2011 recorded by america's vatican ambassador)'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/18/us-slavery-idUSTRE74H63V20110518 there, kind of crazy to think of even 27 million people, that's alot - but they're all slaves here'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yean, point after that point, but at the border things are not yet in america, so if they put something in the truck after the border (or railcar or whatever else) then it was already there'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but like i said about drug-lords owning whatever they want, or other bloody criminals - law's just a fallacy to them anyways, isn't it?  i was thinking in terms of theoretical security'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no dome around the US...the border isn't a magical place to "stop it here or else"...'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the checks are generally for monetary declaration and tariffs, not for drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plane or boat is still the better way to get drugs into the country, can't have a border crossing on all plane/boat landing spots'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they even have submarines some of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Psyiode: 'some of those home made subs are pretty crafty'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no real need for submarines, there's no blockade to run'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think criminals want drugs to be legal either, according to what i seen in a documentary on 1980's miami, the over-supply of cocaine at the time caused alot of the gangs to be extensively violent to make sure that theirs was the cocaine everybody else was using'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what can happen with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think knowledge is the best strategy to defeat things like substance abuse, it doesn't seem to be an overly large crowd of zealous druggies happy in the legalized american states, but there are some - the illegalness of some things makes them more desireable imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'drugs are kind of funny business too, it's like psychiatrist glorifying the medicine he uses on his patients and seeing which rat reaches the meth dispenser first - i read that alot of the drugs people commonly use today all had their origins in mental asylums and were used alot in human experimentation'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'laudenum was the most hardcare drugs people used like 100 years ago - 150 years ago, except some used opium which is laudenum, and still chewed coca leaves, cocaine was a new invention around the 1850's i think, like heroine which replaced morphine and was used on soldiers - similar to the new opiates people're addicted to, it was a alternative that was less addicting , but turned out otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back then i think people had a more involved, hands-on life though, their purposes weren't all mechanized and man-made, they still had some use and some substance to their days often'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look at things like that and wonder what the solution is, but maybe they don't want one'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people also hate on people on some form of social assistance - calling them the problem with society - but if you see migrant workers, once in awhile it appears the person who hooked them up with the employer in your country, in their country, has a deal going where a certain amount of their pay will be given to the contractor, and the worker gets a certain amount of the pay - maybe it's 40% sometimes - it adds up to alot of money the more migrant workers there are'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what's the difference between them and somebody on some form of social assistance, except the person on social assistance can't get a job because of them once in awhile - the people handling the set-up process get as much money as they can provide workers, for their job of knowing the people who run the business'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the difference is the malevolence, intent of slavery and sheer wealth generated by their form of welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 'social assistance''
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's another problem i see, similar to drugs - obviously both are profitable as they are and nobody wants that to change, ono'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Iowa, it is not perfectly legal to fire someone if you're "[irresistible attracted]" to them and feel like you just won't be able to help but to be unfaithful to your spouse with them, even if they have absolutely no interest in having an affair with you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So ruled an all-male 7-man Supreme Court because some idiot was "motivated by feelings and emotions and concern for his marriage" when he fired someone he says was the best dental assistant he's ever had because he was really attracted to her and his wife was jealous.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is NOW, by the way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in many states, it's perfectly legal to fire someone [end of sentence, it's your choice to employ]'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(out of a cannon)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially if the employee is disruptive (even if passively).'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The decisions specifically mentions that workplace conduct and quality of work is meaningless in cases such as these.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's true.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As long as you're too attractive to your boss, no matter how good of an employee you are, they can fire you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'makes sense to me :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if your attractiveness causes disruption in the workplace, you are liability not an asset.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "It doesn't matter if you're not causing any disruption" was too Canadian French pour toi the first time I said it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, attractiveness falls under the same realm as being too short or too tall for the job.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boobies!'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some people don't get hired because they are not attractive, when was the last time you found a hideous model?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless of course the product called  for a hideousness :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20825061 Do American guns kill Mexicans?  -- maybe a program they could have for this is registration of firearms at time of purchase and things like that, along with phone owner can be reached at, and yearly verification that guns are still in their possession?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you going to demonise gun ownership if you do that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no cost really needed, maybe voluntary to find who buys them to sell them again and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't make it no cost...'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, but it wouldn't have to really be a national burden, i imagine there'd be a way to not monopolize the process'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'info's gotta be stored somewhere, database has to be built, computers need somewhere to run, phone lines need to exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and the government probably monitors everything behind the scenes on taxes anyways, what'd be the extra cost?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it could be done in a non-burdensome way, somehow'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's likely no complete solution though, as long as there's gain to be had and less and less ways to earn the same there'll be attempted criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''crime of passion', 'manslaughter', http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder_defence , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense , but is there a 'Act of desperation'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the guy stealing a loaf of bread and having his hands severed for theft in the market - it's a little different in developed countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what would be a suitable use for a law?  was he stealing a plasma television or a loaf of bread?  what was the motives for the crime?  did anything besides mental disability work?  'rehabilitation center''
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''could not pay the rent' + plasma television = jury ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never heard of it, usually theft is a pretty written in stone kind of law, i seen some cases similar to 'act of desperation' though, movie alive's sort of one, similar to some places in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no defense for 'exploitation of the desperate' either, another things i noticed - except in select cases, like residential schools etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't call it a gaping hole though in the law, i was just curious if somebody knows about it '
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'channel is for figuring out what is worth arguing about'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, milk is going to cost $7.00 or more per gallon next year.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of milk in the US is based on a formula that determines how much the US govt pays for milk from milk producers, and in 2013 without a new extension of the US farm bill, it will revert back to 1949 formulas, making the price of a gallon of milk in the store around $6 to 8.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it has been documented (by film) that CA milk producers dump milk to maintain the price up artificially.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they dont dump it, the govt buys it and turns it into fat free powdered milk for future use.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt currently has billions of lbs stored.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, there is video evidence of the dumps.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is stupid then, because the feds buy all extra milk to keep the price lower.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the producers get a higher price than they would have if they all competed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they don't buy enough to make the price as high as they want. They started dumping when milk was selling for 0.50/gallon. The price promptly rose to 1.00 and has been climbing since then. Cows are not low-yielding, consumption is actually somewhat down because of the price, so there is actually a glut which is artificially reduced by dumping.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they copied the technique from beef producers. Beef producers don't dump, they just keep the birth rate down artificially so there is always less that the demand.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there is enough uranium in the ocean water to provide power for over 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have scientists discovered how to utilize it yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but it costs about $400 a lb to extract it....and the current price of land mined uranium is closer to $30'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Algeria is the newest member of the shale gas club.....an estimated 600 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas has been discovered.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an estimated 400 trillion has been found so far in Jordan also, and over 700 trillion cubic feet in Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A University of Texas at Arlington physics professor has helped create a hybrid nanomaterial that can be used to convert light and thermal energy into electrical current, surpassing earlier methods that used either light or thermal energy, but not both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, could swear I read about that like 4 months ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last month. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody's world ended yesterday?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mayor bloomberg is a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new york state considering legalised extortion'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like higher taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, considering "mandatory buyback" of semi-autos'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who cares?  You can get any gun you want in the US easier than you can get a pint of ice cream.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't like high taxes, but you're happy for the state to give your money to people as hush money for the arms they are being forced to give up?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is that self-propelled stomach, Michael Moore, going to die of a heart attack, and can he hurry up already please?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China now exporting pills made with ground up baby corpses'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1934, The Carnegie Institute put out a paper explaining the need to, and how to use schools to turn America from a free market economy to a centrally controlled and managed economy'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Philly high schools to install free condom machines'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Experts believe North Korea is also years away from gaining the ability to mount a nuclear bomb on a missile. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20830605 '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were always years away from anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that like a real belief of theirs?  they got borders with russia and china, and it didn't take them decades before they could do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was perfectly clear to anyone who isn't a complete idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korea don't have home grown technologuy'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any significant breakthrough in technology will have been given to them by the Chinese or Russians'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no home grown technology but they have their own computer systems and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that's old'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video's from possibly some of them concentration camp and stuff haha, looks like what other countries are evolving into'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come there's no 'act of desperation' or 'exploitation of desperation' acts in the law tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does there need to be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite hard to prove'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately shouldn't be needed'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of other things, no generalizations like that though - i imagine you could see a place where it's application would have prevented some form of ongoing crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trials were supposed to be a trial of your peers, desperation and other extraordinary circumstances were supposed to be taken into account'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have the options of guilty, not guilty, and nullification'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd go for nullification for alot of things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, but governments have deliberately black-holed it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want people to know of the origins of law, the origins of the court system, or how it truly was intended to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all they want now is for judges to meter out punishment based on the whim of the government at the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'disappointed that Astroworld was closed....used to love going there as a kid.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't worry riz, you can go to Soviet World now instead!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exploiting desperation - like the workers in a concentration camp trying not to be burned, or a student in school testing experimental pharmaceutical products for merit points, a badge of notibility or a few extra bucks - or becoming a prostitute to pay the bills, exploitive - being the manager of the prostitutes, hiring foreign labour which provides more prostitutes back home and exploits their situation at lower costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK? No thanks!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stealing a plasma television cause you're greedy or causey ou can't pay the rent, explain yourself in court'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada's oil sands will drive the country's economic engine for the next 25 to 30 years, a new report says.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see i see act of desperation and exploitation of desperation neccessary elements in any law book'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for having things fair, cause they're not very fair are they'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i struggle to see the relevence'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'count the amount of people being exploited at this moment - it's billions'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how will a law help someone in a pow camp?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that case then it's better to shoot the executioner or die trying instead of like in the photo's from the holocaust, taking it in the back of the head on your knees in a nice line'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think patriots have the saying "from my cold dead hands"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the new world order, the UK will be the new prison island camp......'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'once it is full of asylum seekers?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'too many British people there now'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many of everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia's largest coal seam gas field has been leaking large amounts of methane, a new report says.   Perhaps we should tap into that gas better and produce power from it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, it's nice to see through the thousands of pages of law book they have that they missed some basic elements of 'fair' though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's even verses in the bible about exploitation of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair is not in the dictionary of people who crave power'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so should they be protected by the law too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or did they provide it along with the missing elements'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who think they're god'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone should be treated the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine being a cop, or a military - there on your wages of 40-55 thousand per year, aware that even after 1000 years of serving your country, your existance would be worth less than 1 year of a moderately paid rich Corporate Executive?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an issue of legality'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they got other incentives or else are unaware of the contrast though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an issue of lack of appreciation of the worth of things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a natural progression of greed and materialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, people who "work for a living" area VERY aware of the contrast'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure it's something that can/should be legislated against'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's up to the people, they need to get pissed off about it, and government will use ever increasing amounts of violence, propoganda, or tyranny to clamp down on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'repeated through history time and again'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch that movie 'a film unfinished' and see if you can see the contrast between playboy showing you what you want and why they have it for a living that you want to earn'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or other moderator of society, there's quite a few of them to use as examples of a world war 2 concentration camp'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although, we're not in one , it looks like a very similar circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.afilmunfinished.com/ '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's i guess why they go to such extreme lengths to mass-medicate the public, and dumb them down with tv'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bolshevik's managed to mislead people into their power'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were possibly liars though, according to what i seen of history's communism'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens all the time. Tony Blair, David Cameron, Obama, Muslim Brotherhood'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you are so cute together :')'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people not being misled into their own power would be better'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter what laws you pass, they ignore the laws that are already there, what makes you think new laws would make any difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apps are currently a $280 million a month business.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all of their power is based on their bodies being made of meat that can have holes poked in it if they disagree with themselves not being god, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why people worship the immutable human factor of corruption reigning supreme forever, it doesn't make any sense to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just saying, that's how they get ahead and they'll never listen to reason, like the unwritten books 'reasoning with rabies' and 'the death of reason''
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why it doesn't pay to be a 'the protestor' unless most of the public is watching for how the government responds, and the government doesn't want to spook the herd before having them under tighter control'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'protesting gets people into gulag death-camps in russia, as the tubegalore.com website , search for pussy riot, shows'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they was actors all along'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so doesn't pay to protest there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what makes other nations think their little liberal-ideals mean anything more where they are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed the 'jewish media' didn't jump all over -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini -> his ties to the original muslim brotherhood, according to articles, his advising hitler and mussolini to keep jews from reaching palestine, and his being schooled by the catholics in turkey, while after ww2 the history of ww1 was rewritten to condemn the lutheran church among other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly he's just a total fabrication though, looks like some kind of a totalitarian manufactured situation to me instead of anything not on puppet strings'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cry about anti-semitism over there in europe too, but where's the powerful people in charge of it's lawful handling's skepticism of islam, with that in mind?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what some of it's members are there historically responsible for'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'catholics sure are interesting though, deacon from quebec just recently found with over 2000 pedophilia images that he produced or had in possession - was it a setup or was he really a pervert like that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got a church in my local community, somebody should interview the children who attend it and see what they have to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/12/22/mtl-minister-child-porn.html there he is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he's not set-up then, people still insist they speak for god'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. -- Matthew 18:6'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's hitler was a catholic conspiracy theory and the muslim brotherhood mufti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini not mentioned in pop-history of anti-antisemitism allegations was schooled by the catholics in turkey conspiracy theory - along with the worker being known by his works'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then we seen a revelation-beast architect suspect'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is leviathan mythical seabeast like typhon (which could mean typhoon or something else), or a collection of acronym's more distinguishable in modern world as 'levi' (priesthood) at (where?) han (dynasty) in china - with them talking about new silk roads and things like mao there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see china has their dragon parades and things like being over 3500 years old'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the poem kieu is interesting too, vietnam war or not, kind of about a woman forced into prostitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.deanza.edu/faculty/swensson/kieu.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i read right, a country near there has several politicians in both russia and america too, and china - maybe the seat of power on earth there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i see a false-prophet allegory, a whore allegory, a dragon allegory, a sea-beast allegory, but not mark of the beast yet - although it's a common theme in hollywood movies to touch a sigil to the forhead of the possessed and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the water, can't forget that interesting alexander the great watergate, genesis 9:11 and rev 15:17 (or 17:15)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus mandatory circumcision until 1990 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of black-magic symbolism, mockery of god and prophecy possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if everything's known, is there any room for anything to be anymore?  can knowledge define ignorance without denying itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quantum mechanics prevents everything being known'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So that's why economists don't find out that more debt is not the solution to a debt problem!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tinada!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think ignorance like that is part of 'national defense''
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever kind of sovereign nation requires stupidity to exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely they're banking on the masses not to question it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too many austerians in govt like the lot of you is what caused this crisis to drag on so long...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're confusing austerians and libertarians'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the countries that were willing to take the budget hit have already moved on'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are we talking austrian economics or austerity now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and by "austerians" i mean just about every country in the g8'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you guys had ramped up govt spending as a percentage of gdp like we did, your downturn would've been long over'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government spending was already unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've been saying that about east asia for decades...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, it's going to collapse any day now! Welp no, maybe next year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well here it's true for the government and for households, the last 20 years of growth has been a debt bubble predicated on cheap chinese products and labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe the next doomsday's the real one, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-inflicted panic...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not self-inflicted panic, it's everyone realising that at some point they have to pay debt back and realising they aren't making enough to cover it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm seeing in the Uk is inevitable, was predictable'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at something like the ku klux klan burning crosses and churches for instance, society doesn't 'bleeding heart' the isolated anomoly of the situation like they do for islam and unbelievers or heavenly molestors - what kind of a blindness is that that people're under?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should be making more stuff, not less'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the kkk were instrumental in pushing through America's first gun restrictions'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(just so the gun grabbers know which side of history they're on...)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but yet you want to "pay back the debt", by somehow reducing employment...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't pay back the debt through employment by making the state the sole employer'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, that didn't turn out to be the case where it was tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't work out here'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't turn out too well in greece, or in south america'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't be telling me that you guys suck at econs when our leaders studied econs in the us and uk...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people who pull the strings in our countries don't care'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all we had to do was hold our noses, cross our fingers, and trust the math...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as you hold up aggregate demand, private employment will return to normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how many crimes the jews got away with because of superstition or people's fear of the law of antisemitism too, and the powerful allegations sending americans to germany in the 1970's and locking up their lawyer for defending them in court etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a ton of things broken, unless you address them all, no government sticking plaster will help'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'likely not all jews, but something like the USSR playing the race-card once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjusting stimulus employment so that it soaks up a large proportion of excess workers, releasing them as necessary to avoid crowding out, isn't exactly rain surgery...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus employment doing what exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can always find useful stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you could, but that's not what's been suggested or tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you don't, it's better than nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as at the margin, you're boosting private employment per worker hired, it really doesn't matter what they do, as long as it isn't destructive'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pointless to "try something" unless you fix the underlying problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If all economists believe in a flawed theoretical/mathematical paradigm which leads to bad decisions and system, politicians with a background in economics won't necessarily make things any better'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after you cross that boundary into slight crowding out effects, then you have to do useful stuff to turn a profit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is a country with 40 million more people than it actually needs'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here we go again...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the great "service sector society" was a disaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, of course you need real economists, not the crazy "reduce debt now" schools...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, maybe the solution is not always to "make more stuff"'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'artificial demand is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tell that to people who can't get stuff they want'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unrestrained materialist consumerism was part of the cause of the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most people can use more stuff...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they can't get more stuff unless they get more/better work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you can't get more/better work unless people buy more stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't get more/better stuff unless they sponge off the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which people want, but can't afford.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you agree that you're perpetuating a spiral of debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's called "work". Maybe be a foreign concept for those who view labour as sponging off on the govt/capitalists'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a model is sustainable if it can last indefinitely...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to those plonkers who campaign for an every increasing population as a solution to the care for the elderly'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that can't'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just saying it's unsustainable does not make it so'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've been running on that model for decades... only problem we have is the whole land thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since you can always print more money, I'm not sure the concept of sustainability is applicable, perhaps if money was linked to something real'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the model that's gotten us in the problem we're in now'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not that model that has gotten you in trouble. It's your irrational fear of sovereign debt...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's thanks to economists and politicians that think like that that my generation will die in poverty'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like you feel that you have to whip yourselves and future generations for your imaginary sins...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Give that levels of sovereign (and other) debt has been increasing (apart from the last couple of years if you look at total debt), it seems a bit strange to claim that the problem is caused by fear of debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a ridiculous statement, the last 3 generations have totally screwed my and the future generations'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were always going to die in poverty.  The average lifespan now is so long that your retirement savings is going to quit before your last breath.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't -be- a life saving'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's really easy to cure debt problems that are owed to yourself in your own currency'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the market doesn't really care if it's increasing, unless the currency is not your own, or pegged to a standard'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west is being forceably deindustrialised. If you can't accept that, then there's nothing more to be said'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that sort of debt is merely a taxation problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'korea and other places follow the 3rd generation of concentration camp punishment bible sayings'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not so forceably'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might as well be forceably for all the power that joe bloggs has to change it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned, bible verse 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father' vetoes any heavenly claim they have to justification'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree away :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they can select whatever lies suits their purposes, like islam is good for population control'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're a bunch of hogs that jesus cast demons into to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, going by current trends, if the west continues in its self-flagellation, they might get their industries back in a few decades, when asia starts outsourcing its sweatshops so you can sew cheap shirts for a living...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are we'll all be slaves under a global caliphate by that point'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the vast majority of merkins don't want to, and especially don't want their kids, to work in manufacturing...they have control over that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the whole "go to college" push is to get out of blue collar and into white'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to ban white collars'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not forceably, that's those joe bloggs RUNNING AWAY from manufacturing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich countries are considered so because they do higher value work than crap manufacturing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when we don't want to do that kind of work, those jobs leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here it has more to do with "unions are preventing us modernising our manufacturing, let's move it to another country where the cost of labour is 1/20th'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it's accelerated by the economy of 3rd world pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what started it, abe, here at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad panic rush towards a university education was a Labour government of 1995 thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china's already starting to push manufacturing jobs away to other, poorer countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only good thing is that death will unpump all of their hearts and them and their future dreams will be vulgarly disposed of by fate'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as they say, the world will always need ditchdiggers...just most people don't wanna fill the role'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no role here is valued anymore except management, which is why everythign is so fucking shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a huge supply of college grads from these countries means that the "west" needs to boost education simply to maintain its position'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we'll see if soviet union manages to build robot humans by 2040 though, and how far those'll go'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anywho, alt time for santa ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us did improve somewhat in the latest TIMSS rankings though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're way behind the times on that one Chemosh.  Robot humans are, conceptually, already here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gasp! A gap in his logs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another irrelevant ranking scheme?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's test based, so you can't really say it's irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can say that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I didn't mean it's physically impossible to say it, of course...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the methodology seems pretty good, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what purpose does it serve'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, countries can use the results to assess improvements, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they're all taking exactly the same tests to exactly the same standards?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and to figure out what might be working, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's some scaling, but the standards are quite uniform...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although this does mean that the scores aren't relevant for a few countries on the lower end'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'simply because a huge number didn't score better than random guessing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like dodgy hand-wavey generalist statistics to me. At the very best you might use it as some kind of penis-waving exercise at a country-head level, but that's about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standards change over time, standards even within a given country vary wildly for the same thing, and I have personal experience of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, insofar as testing reveals competency, it's relevant...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who shape all this standard shit are fat-pigs who inherited their power from fat-pigs who are probably mostly directly descended from the age of jesus being nailed to crosses'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see any solutions in following them or any totalitarian subversions handed down by them'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty astute observation, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestors were taught christianity in concentration camps by charlamagne too'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was jolly nice of her'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe in desert gods being other than the spawn of ra affording to go to heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure sure, you can ignore the importance of stuff like trigonometry and stuff if you like, see how far that gets you if you want to be an engineer or something...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they refer to positional number system as heathen cyphers in professional texts'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who needs trig when you have 17 degrees in art/sociology based subjects?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need less degrees in this country, and someone with half a wit to realise that if you build large amounts of housing on a flood plain, when you get inclement rainy weather, the whole fucking lot is going to be underwater'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, TIMSS measures the important stuff (to the economy), math and science, not the artsy stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that if you fail to maintain drains, rivers, culverts and dykes, fill all the ditches and pits/ponds in, and concrete over all your countryside then you're going to get flooding and water shortages'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother when you can fleece people for billions of dollars from insurance instead? i can fit my car with a snorkel, what the hell do i care?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but I heard disasters boost gdp'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sounds like the same sort of guys who think that stimulus is a bad idea in a country that owes debt in its own currency!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus in the form of directly creating infrastructure i'd agree with'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what is/would happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead they just gave billions of pounds to globalist bankers who gave it to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me how that helps?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could also pay teachers more... although that wouldn't be stimulus since that'd be permanent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers don't require more pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they require more freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, that sort of thing is not stimulus... not fiscal stimulus anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'moving lots of money around is monetary stimulus, at best... which is pretty ineffective in a liquidity trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's see, what things did we really badly need that they could've invested money in? The crippling social housing shortage, the rundown water system that causes biannual water shortages, the absent power generation that makes us reliant on russian gas'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need to be handing out lots of money to actual workers (one way or another) for it to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Teachers might have more freedom if we decided that school wasn't supposed to be about churning out a mass of uniform non-thinkers who are reflexively obedient consumers :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the only thing they proposed spending huge amounts of money on? a high speed rail link between london and birmingham to cut the journey time by 45 minutes'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, we might need to replace a lot of teachers if we did something like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'building more housing often works!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has a lot to do with prescriptive teaching, targets, monitorring and box-ticking, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cheaper to build housing in a downturn too'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if people are reasonably close to affording the housing, at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, better pay for teachers means better quality in the long run. That tends to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teacher pay is already good here compared to the rest of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you are in the US, and your gini index has been ticking upwards since..hm..since about the time when Nixon ditched gold, there is no particular guarantee that it will work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, a new rail link is better than nothing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's 40bn that could have solved the housing crisis'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead it's just a toy for the elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's not exactly an either/or here!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is, because that's what they're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's all they're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the choice, i'd rather have had the housing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the kind of unemployment in the uk, you can easily do both'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to make any meaningful work towards solving the underlying problems you'd need the housing, but also need to eradicate payroll taxes and most of the other taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, if teacher quality was higher, you'd have less of the "uniform non-thinker" problem inada's worried about...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has nothing to do with the teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can assure you of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's to do with the prescriptive approach to teaching, box ticking extraordinaires'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, my teachers were pretty good, even with a strict curriculum'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the approach that led to me retaking yr 7 in yr 8 thanks to government mandated curriculums'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part of a targets and management culture that's crucified productivity and cost control in this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better teachers can teach the stuff you need to know in better ways. If they know how it all fits together, they can do more'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the socialists in Venezuela are getting all arsey at the possibility of requiring another election if Chavez isn't well enough to take the reigns'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, you see students who know how to integrate in particular cases without really understanding what integration is...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their teachers were good, you'd see less of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just follow the formula'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see! That's the problem!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That's a fault of the beurocracy and governance, not the teacher'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how is it the fault of the bureaucracy and the govt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate to keep repeating myself, but i said that from the start, there's nothing wrong with our teachers, it's the box-ticking micromanagement target-driven culture'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they require you to pass a certain standard test, yes, but the easiest way to pass them in the case of math and science, is to know what you're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers spend more time doing "management" work than they spend teaching'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's about all you really -need- to know!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really, you could get an A in the A-levels for physics/maths easily if you know how it all fits together, rather than cramming all of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that qualification is worth 1/2 of what it was 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not our A-levels!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brings us back to your ranking scheme again'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually, I'm not sure it's still called the A-levels back home, now they use some funny H1/H2/H3 system'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a "Make Your Own Deficit-Reduction Plan" on the Wall Street Journal, and it's total bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, what do uk people do for their math/phys A-levels these days?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"do"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, schroedinger's equation, stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'linear alg, phys/chem labs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor teacher quality may also hold back the system from putting more stuff in, if they can't manage the stuff already being offered'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that might be great, but the problem isn't the teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the problem is... what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'target-driven micromanagement'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, like our teachers don't have to meet targets!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm describing the problem here, has nothing to do with your teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what's the problem with target driven micromanagement, as you put it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the teacher spends more time dealing with beurocracy than she does in the classroom, when prescriptive teaching prevents innovative teaching methods and prevents streaming'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a mistake to get rid of the grammar schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it shouldn't matter as long as they hit their targets, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? of course it matters'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as in, they can hit the targets any way they like, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with the premise, these are people we are talking about, not a portfolio of shares'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so better teacher quality should mean that they can hit them by giving students a deep understanding of the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you induct 10 kids in at year 1, the job is the get them to the highest level of education they can personally assume'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'costs alot of money to teach, they have to be heard by a certain limit on the amount of students helping eachother to understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the job is not to get them all to an average grade of X'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt have passed their sharia law consitution, which essentially prevents democracy from ever taking formal root there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, equipping them with a strong understanding of the subject (for math/science) will achieve both goals...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and the whore in dragons is priesthooding the watergate circumcisions for the seabeast prophets'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big mystical deal, i feel like god's real and all with all of the man-made prophecy's unfolding'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can tell a thing of god though i figure, but how positive it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like salvation, that's not dragin you to hell, that's what releases you from it - and is a positive thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when was it decided that a brain surgeon who excelled in a nation where the average salary is eaten by flies is the best man for the job in your place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing logic they use, save on education expenses and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'survival of the most cancerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaane O
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaane  :0
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want to play meathooks, they could at least make it a free for all - right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not even evil can get ahead in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of thoughts do enforcers of their will need?  the less the better, otherwise they're a liability that needs to be replaced with automated dodaam gun turrets'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thoughtlessnesss is evolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after you find something they want in your science mind they are done with you, the only guarantee of sanctuary you have is in your immediate time-span of service, and even then it's cut short once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after you're gone they don't have to keep their words, your master sees you as nothing more than a temporary asset'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a 2% social security tax on all capital gains.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the atlantic gray whale and the pacific ones are the same whale....how come the pacific ones have not yet explored and moved into the atlantic ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the atlantic gray whale was hunted to extinction.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 37,000 year old fossil of a gray whale was found off the coast of Georgia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If that whacko l ron hubbard can make a religion/cult, I should be able to do it also....'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, new shale natgas fields are being discovered in Michigan.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a dog for christmas, charlie brown!'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear that someone's trying to figure out how to download guns from the internet so that they're undetectable?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'making weapons conventionally undetectable is not that hard'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but wouldn't conventionally-made guns still set off detectors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'detectors of what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'bullets aren't made from ferrous metals'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and a gun can be made from plastic, so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As of June 2012, China owns $1.164 trillion in U.S. debt. China now owns 25% of the total of $5.292 trillion held by foreign countries. The rest of the $14 trillion debt is owed by either the American people, or by the U.S. government to itself.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China will never attack the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody hear if the alabama rapist prison guards got any jail time for raping every female prisoner or not?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes, dissing the sacred rapists and human smugglers in denmark and other places is a crime in itself like a gulag death camp '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand why people're scared of a bunch of meaty hostiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Louis Shapiro, Executive Secretary of old CPA (briefly, late 1920) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA#Top_party_leaders i wonder how many powerful people you could trace back to communism'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess relation doesn't mean you're a communist, or even immigration from east germany or first or second generation USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, cold war ended and they seen the error of their ways and all so i guess it's ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the president has to be born in usa' but others can come from the cold war states no problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'born in frankfurt = born in stasi germany east germany, where 1 in 4 people was either a secret police or else an informant '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i found it odd anyways, looking up various people their origins and histories, seeing what kind of a non-communist exists in the world to be a serious question'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all this perversion in the world etc, must have roots in world war 2 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause people still had some respect before then, in most places'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why was there only ever 2 nuclear weapons/atomic weapons used in war?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it a quicker way to get things done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'planet desposition'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'miss sorry'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1)that's all the testicle-shrivelling material they had available, 2)that was all that was needed to end the war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you noticed they don't care about the planet much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot of grampas and great-uncles wouldn't have gained said titles if we had to get involved in a land war with Japan.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't betray people cause you love them with excuse of living in a concentration camp is better than not living at all, imo - without explaining to them the transaction like jesus discussing with the future of jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or judas*'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, so why did they not use them on the middle east?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see even the police they train kill them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because having seen what our very first attempts were capable of, and then having time to develop 20th generation stuff, we're too scared to actually follow through with using them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not so much because of what we know they're capable of doing to our enemies, so much as knowing similar consequences will come raining down on us as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but see the end of this stand-off looks like either you'll abide to be the slave of the consequences or else you'll resist them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think getting things over with is always a better way to do things than living in concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like what're they saying now in russia to have 3 babies each, so in about 20 years they probably plan on utilizing them somehow'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just need to be sneaky to get rid of that slavery fear don't you?  letting er rip all at once on all the map, 2 per target maybe, 4'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who has the spear of destiny?  they say on constantine they own the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A preemptive war is a war that is commenced in an attempt to repel or defeat a perceived offensive or invasion, or to gain a strategic advantage in an impending (allegedly unavoidable) war before that threat materializes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost wonder what they're defending, since family values aren't present in the birth machine and slavery is the only universal country'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of warbastards all around'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20838547 christmas is now a celebration of the birth of palestine, who is jesus apparently'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Earlier on Monday, Latin Patriarch Fouad Twal said this Christmas would be a celebration of "the birth of Christ our lord and the birth of the state of Palestine".'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but what about all the pedo priests ?  how does jesus attract so many hideous people into his earthly message?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, the percentage isn't really higher than in the general population, but the coverup was higher and also the sense of betrayal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that religion is getting involved in politics though'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dalai lama has his reasons to get involved, cause his country was usurped by china'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others just want to get on in there and guide events into some kind of a peace?  hmm, if common sense can't produce peace, how would religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'common sense might work most of the time, but (ignoring the question of how rare 'common sense' is,) it doesn't seem able to beat basic human nature (stupid-selfish-shortsighted)'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most of the world is meatheads bent on the way they're programmed by society to behave, but that's a larger failure than self-made meatheads imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religion can produce intellectual meatheads, metaphysical tyrants etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people've been feeding on people's thoughts of forever in religious cults since ancient egypt at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the story of job's interesting though, because in it they're debating whether or not god could exist, and it seems like they haven't seen any word of god angels by that time'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the story of bel and the dragon puts religion into best perspective in it's common application these days, where the king was undeceived by the messenger and whacked those phony priests'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was in babylon too, interesting, that's the evil place in book of revelation'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babylon the whore etc, the king of babylon was misled by the false-gods of the priests, and once he realized that's not very right he got angry and destroyed them - in book of revelation, babylon the whore sits on the shoulders of the beast and is destined to obliteration for her whorecrafts - but in bel and the dragon the king didn't seem to want to believe in lies, so it's questionable what kind of a whore witch babylon is - and what kind of priests and religions walk the earth today'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sure demonized though, out-of bounds but maybe it's because they were revealed for what they are, while preaching that their revealer was the real enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does it seem pretty legitimate that just about everybody had christianity replace their own sovereignty and things like that in concentration camps, and somehow they're connected to it as some heavenly message?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other desert gods do the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's like thanking the enemies of your ancestors for enslaving your future'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'forever'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's utterly offensive and wouldn't expect god to be that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reconciled to god whatever they call it, in their re-education facilities in the sky'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think god's best learned without any human guidance'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_22 'catch 22'  people deemed politically unreliable (such as South Korean prisoners of war, Christians, returnees from Japan)'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a lifelong concentration camp'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and google' interviews north korean concentration camp people in tech talks, interesting, instant billionairres etc, be on the lookout for future concentration camp normalizations, wouldn't want that now would we?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4NIB6xroc BORN AND RAISED IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP  Google Tech Talks May, 12 2008'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , at least they see what goes on a little bit, keeping an eye out from it's application in noncommunists'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they keep their words, whoever has the most money is the most useful to their supervising officers'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of funny how communists consistently resemble the crimes associated with nazi germany, but still only nazi's are demonized'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?  who's the commy-enabler and sympathy liberals for people like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like islam's an ok religion and those who say otherwise are blasphemers , even if they're pointing out various crimes against humanity on a consistent basis - where's your liberal sympathy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to be fair, i seen that there are books written which make distinctions between those kind, and the other kind'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apologists whatever they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of gain do they get for apologizing for the obvious crimes being committed?  is it sort of like the ku klux klan wasn't universally demonized for what they done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where was their apologists and liberal sympathizers, for even less crimes than these others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see them as enablers anyways, subversive enemies of the future sort of, allowing the enemy to replace whatever safety there was'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they get some merit points with the new masters for their hard work of leading people to their slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like if you donate to charity, is it guaranteed to reach your good intentions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or to church, how come there was so many shady articles revealed about how they spend your god-money'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was just trying to do some good, it's not my fault it went into every crime you can imagine'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at the crowd in a wwe match for instance, one time an iraqi wrestler asked the crowd why they're attacking his people, and he got booed off the stage unilaterally with no explaination required, sort of like how apologists and enablers exploit in society'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wasn't entitled to his own ignorant inquiry, and they hated him for having one'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot  is a pejorative term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how many of those you can spot on the media machine or in your local community'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's incredible really, if i was running an intelligence agency i would investigate who they're working for and what kind of things aren't allowed to be useful idioted to get a better understanding of what kind of future they're trying to bring about'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that not very much, actually nothing human, is considered sacred'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for instance'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'subdivisions and things like that though, that's alright'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could be a useful idiot too, but that's because i don't know enough yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't take one-sided absolute stances on anything when i see there's more to the story than i know'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other side being not satan itself kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is is circumcision mutiliation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talked to a person who claimed they're going on a missionary trip to north korea awhile back on a chat program, i wonder when their new prisoner arrived'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as a christian on yahoo they said they're doing that, a little while before the mysterious closing'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read in the bible it doesn't seem very significant for a relationship with god'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the first circumcision was done by moses wife on his son so that god didn't kill moses'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus in the new testament distinguishes between the pact of flesh and the pact with god'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it does has some medical applications when infection and stuff happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so what. the creation of men went a little wrong and now we have to fix every penis ourselves?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or pact of faith rather, what i remember from the new testament'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I have a hard time believing the "medical research"'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you just have to wash it every week and its ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i wondered about the medical research myself - but probably in some circumstances it's there'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it's pretty doubtful that god would require people to mutilate penis's to preserve their relationship with the creator'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some demon worship they might like something like that though, blood sacrifices and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there ever was a real demons'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'to the ladies out there:  are you freaked out by circumcised dicks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there a reason why the military isn't ever used to destroy terrorist gangs in the borders where police are held hostage by family members vulnerability?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have a hard time seeing how tough those men are with a few tanks blowing their strength to shreds'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes the 'faggin it up' gangs are stronger than the law, and military is to defend it's country from people who want to install their own laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i like to wonder sometimes why these gangs get away with so much, who's their strength'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody has any idea how come plaecs where the law is powerless against the pig-fucking enemy gang's the military isn't used?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it a civili issue when the law's being replaced, or something more?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'go on with the where's the ku klux klan enablers nazi sympathizer laws to the contrary arguements, what about these other ones?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't all of them, 'the only good nazi is a dead nazi' - wut?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were people too, just not as much as people of these other bleeding heart institutions'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the catholics, the muslims, the communists, the black nationalists, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but only worry about evil nazi's and ku klux klans, cause these others do charity runs and good things where the nazi's just put people in death camps and represented forced labour like they do in communist countries today'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're just some communists are like that, like the treatment of infidels in foreign lands'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not all of them, the rest of them are just misguided, it's individualism that's their problem, trust in us'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, but that arguement doesn't work well with nazi's, however misguided neonazi's are, or ku klux klans, however isolated their crimes were'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're all evil vile satans of the demon church according to the will of hell written in our bible of liberal lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but these others you can see their ongoing crimes for the last centuries and still seem them manifestedly today, but they're not as vile as the nazi's no'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see they're mostly nice people, just once in awhile bad things happen, it's like a cop executing people in the subway cause of work related stress '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just snap once in awhile, cause the world is so liberal towards their propagation'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you justifying cops shooting people?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's more complex than that, i'm reasoning out acceptance of known-criminal organizations of antihumanity selfishness, in light of the stigmatization against nazi and ku klux klan - enablers and sympathizers'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and seeing why that is, but that isn't - it's very hypocritical and 'neo-liberal' neverminding 'neo-nazi''
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can find just as many, and more crimes associated with the people who you can openly apologize for/enable/sympathize - ongoing today and throughout history and the forseeable future, than you can attribute to the nazi's or ku klux klan'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but somehow their entire existance is universally hated together, while those of greater crimes go on being justified by the same people who hate them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's unacceptable and a source of hatred'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053 an interesting article'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The question is whether they are an aberration or whether, like so many European societies, they are a trend that will increase as our Muslim population grows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '... interesting question, this is where sympathizers/enablers/useful idiots replace rationality'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using that 'neo-liberalism' , basicallyt otal ignorance based solely on emotions and delusions of peace, even when faced with contrary evidence innumerable'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is books out there written by people on differences they observed among muslims though, http://www.hinduism.co.za/islam.htm like that's one i read through, not very promising except in some radical speculation, but there's other books i looked over reviews on the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The term useful innocents also appears in a Readers Digest article (1946) titled "Yugoslavia's Tragic Lesson to the World", an excerpt from a, at the time, forthcoming book (no title printed) authored by Bogdan Raditsa (Bogdan Radica), a "high ranking official of the Yugoslav Government". Raditsa says: "In the Serbo-Croat language the communists have a phrase for true democrats who consent to collaborate with them for 'democracy.' It is Koristne Budale, or Useful Innocents.".[10] Although Raditsa translates the phrase as "Useful Innocents", the word budala (plural: budale) actually translates as "fool" and synonyms thereof.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a way that the person refuses to take a solid stance on the subject, and still fans the speculation of the reader'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'There can be no doubt that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia are law abiding, peaceful citizens. But the minority who are attracted to Islamist extremism in thought, word and deed is too sizeable for Australians to be comfortable with. Most of the people at the demonstrations probably wanted to protest peacefully. But whichever way you look at it, there are several disturbing features of the demonstrations, beyond just their violence.  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a question they don't ask in the article though:  how come the majority of muslims don't identify , reveal and remove those terrorists among themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too touchy of a subject for people to discuss i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like the reverence we hold nazi's in high respect today through'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cowards or whatever they are, i'm not sure but they sure are hypocritical in who they judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dude... what are you ramblin on about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you drunk?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, you can't see what i'm discussing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's incredible, you must be a liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The non-discriminatory principle in our immigration is sacred, and rightly so. But it is not unreasonable for Australians to ask whether they are importing a population disproportionately prone to extremism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree there'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what about you, liberal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i have liberal social views, and conservative economic views'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you have no concise argument or idea, you're just rambling in any ole direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you have quite the vernacular, but i dont see a single shred of anything worth commenting on'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i showed alot of concise idea's, 'no particular direction', that's how the crowd is controlled by giving it direction, which direction to take based on the speculation is what i'm most interested in, so you see the material to consider and the common sense not hindered by money which would be a logical solution, combined with a question of loyalty'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'becausei 'm not led by them you think that's funny, i found alot of things that nobody else seems to have, pieced them together in various ways and tried to deliberate a meaning from it, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of depth does 'burn the witch' have to you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you like that kind of discussion more i guess, take your shred and lets get it over with'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why wouldn't you comment on something in more depth, like speculation on the nature of a certain demographic and how to differentiate between friend and foe?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'find that not worth commenting on for some weird reason, easier to 'burn the witch' or whatever you are, thinking it's a drunken thing to discuss, while they smash the beerstein against the man's head for preventing a woman being raped'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they were 'burning the witch' and had alot of insight into their professional judgement'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you trying to qualify for mensa dude? my intelligence level is very high, and i have great comprehension but you're sentences lack the necessary brevity in order to warrant an intelligible response from the reader'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think mensa's mostly an anti-intellectual organization, which combat's public awareness on their behalf, like most think-tanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see something i find questionable, opinions being sold etc in the media, i look for reasons , answers , input from places i know are frequented by people who probably know or have some authority in the world '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're a buzz kill'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only if you can capture me alive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Something that spoils or ruins an otherwise enjoyable event, esp. when in relation to ruining a drunken or drug-induced high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was thinking of saw's hah, i see what you mean now, i'm a party pooper because we're being showered by liberal candies as mentioned in 'how to brainwash a nation' and we don't want our sugar teeth pulled'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mean no harm though, i find south park cartoons more offensive than me, or various forms of entertainment people actually do in aday'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nothing is offensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are too sensitive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'curse words are only curse words because we say they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too sensitive is one thing, having some sense of right and wrong is another - when it's crossed too consistently people can develop hostility'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never was addicted to saying 'fuck' shit bitch or anything like that, but i get offended whenever somebody does for some odd reason'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sound almost phony to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll say it once in awhile but, it's not a habit of mine'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people who are offended by cursing have no people skills, or street smarts'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's good thing not to have any people skills or street smarts'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you see your worldy possessions under the kingdom of the enemy as reason enough to maintain ignorance and subservience, i see strings attatched to every stage of getting where you are, and no freedom offered by acheiving it'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all corrupt to my fantasy mind, i don't like it very much - maintaining the minimal until the end's all i really care about'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'minimal strings etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was born with a certain amount of them attatched, like umbellical except man-made, i don't like the people who i'd have to work with to become rich here or even satisfied fleshly, which are hollow satisfactions after they're completed, feeling filthy - security and tolerance etc, i just don't like it very much'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we're just different kinds of people, you accept what you force yourself to not hate, or are naturally desirable of, i had too much time to think and obey the un-natural feeling of corruption which repels me from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The issue will be decided at a UN wildlife conservation meeting in Thailand in March 2013.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20798136 excellent place, isn't that some kind of a world war 2 whorehouse since forever?  or is that just how the media economically satisfies it's religion to the public?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what better place to discuss animal rights than in a place with little to no human rights?  makes perfect sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''act of desperation' and 'exploitation of the desperate' missing from every lawbook on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for some verses in the bible can be seen to reflect that sentiment'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'to you know where with the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2 Peter 2:3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep. '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Proverbs 22:22 Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court,'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to hell?  well, i think this world's evolving into a fine example of hell itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, people hold passionate beliefs that hell is even worse than here'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over a one-year period during 2011 and 2012, some 6 million gallons of maple syrup about $18 million worth was stolen from the strategic maple syrup reserve controlled by the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers (FPAQ).  Perhaps they should build a Fort Knox.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should harvest human fat to make biodiesel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who is John Gault ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an egomaniac, a rapist, kidnapper and subversive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, the rapist was Roark :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/25/new-york-newspaper-faces-backlash-after-publishing-map-gun-permit-holders/ that doesn't seem right does it?  i think it's the case that most gun-related crimes are done by a stolen weapon or a weapon with the serial numbers removed from it - so what're they trying to acheive with that?  if they were really as volatile as they claim then they would be afraid of them, like they are about muslims and discussing their international crimes, wouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did they publish exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the names and addresses of all registered gun owners in a community'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good way to get people shot'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and probably illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Philippine government and Muslim rebels have agreed to a preliminary peace deal for the country's troubled south, President Benigno Aquino has announced, signalling an end to a 40-year conflict that has killed more than 100,000 people and crippled the region's economy. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/10/201210753819914971.html like that, they come from the desert-god middle east in peace, to divide the country and kill 100,000 unbelievers'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what a brief look at the article tells me about anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'escaping persecution to a more democratic nation, where the laws must be changed for god'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'you hear the US is starting to send troops into Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'started ages ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just not publicised'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i talked to somebody from dejabutti or something like that, they were an aid worker i met on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they said they had a military base over there, that's sort of in africa - few years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America participating in their long standing tradition of "fucking the world up"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'agreed, but now, since they are publicizing it, it seems as if we are about to hear some heart-wrentching stuff to get the US people on the side of sending more and more troops (money) into Africa... it never ends...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they don't want it to end'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the time the people back home are being trained to be the victims, and are being squeezed for their resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'little by little'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like a frog being cooked in a pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would appear that you require a Congress with a spine that will actually do their job'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'In my opinion, there are just things in thie world that require time to fix. America needs to step back, consolidate, and let the world rearrange over time, instead of trying to force it which is undoubtedly drawing flak. '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many christians do you think would stick with their prince of peace church if it was going around and slaughtering people like that?  or would they see it as an ungodly thing and weigh human life versus lord?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not trying to fix it, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know about that, i suspect alot of the non-evil muslims are held there by fear and don't uproot their own evil for the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Well, they want to get at the resources and it is easier to do that if the workers were not in constant fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'imperialism worked so well in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chemosh, the "bad" muslims have been sided with by the US and the West, the "good" muslims were demonised by the West and are now the shrinking allies of the Ruskies'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't agree with that if that's what the US is doing, but i'm more interested in quality people than utilizing their destroyers'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the US are siding with an extremely unethical, authoritarian sect of sunnhi's that want to keep women as slaves and rule the world via a global islamic caliphate'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like the kind of world nobody wants to reproduce into , in hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their political wing was borne out of Nazi Germany and was called "The Muslim Brotherhood", their military wing borne out of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan called "Al Qaeda"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think that time will destroy islam.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their base is Saudi Arabia, Qatar, now Egypt, Libya'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria will soon fall'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will leave Iran as the only viable opposition in the area'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no coincidence that there has been all this propoganda bullshit against Iran over the last few years'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zaane, I am confident that Islam won't be destroyed. All you need for a religion to become stronger is to attack it. Islam is under attack, the believers take this personally, that makes the religion stronger.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still not to worry, FBI's own briefings to federal police and counter-terrorism classes teach that constitutionalists, returning veterans, Ron Paul supporters, libertarians are all the most likely potential terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, an establishment using a goon squad of armed police to round up political dissenters. Where has this happened before? Hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the intelligence agencies are terrorist groups by definition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I don't agree... A muslim China Eastern Asia would be impossible'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, why does Islam have to go there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'China and India'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'most people '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'perhaps you already know that  have of the Asian subcontinent is Islamic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'half*'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less than 2% of china is islamic'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Islam proliferates in Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does China have to do with anything? You can say the same thing about the Americas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a defeatist perspective, although the parents of some of charles mansons victims oppose the media glorification of the cult leader - if i was in even the church of satan (even they don't admonish homicide) and i seen people being crucified and dismembered and raped for satan's glory by members of my church who didn't really deserve it, i wouldn't be in it anymore - but they do all that and more, according to the propaganda, that's pretty repulsive to anybody who believes in a good god, especially if it's repulsive to somebody who was attracted to an evil god'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the same proportion of USA are jewish, yet they pretty much run the place'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'So what is the endgame then... let's say that Islam becomes the world religion in 2063, They will have to change their teachings to equalize the role of women in their society, or it would never work since women are "equal" in most modern society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the unlikely chance that the Islamic republics get crushed by attackers all that will happen is that the religion will go underground. After all, that is what happened to the crusaders.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why are you saying these things, Zaane? Why does Islam has to become the dominant religion of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think that all religion is on the way out. With every new generation there are less believers. '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, zaane'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'it is hypothetical'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are not 'equal' in most modern society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is true, but hten you don't need millions of believers to have a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are equal in most WESTERN society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'They are not equal, but they are "equal"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WESTER society is a minority'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is bullshit, TIgernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's not get snowed by the official declarations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's bullshit, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes for a religion to become stronger is to attack it, anaristos - but how much weaker is the nazi's since the end of ww2?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you mean that the law sees women as equals, that is true. If you say that they are treated as equals, you are dead wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were pretty much attacked weren't they?  it's a political ideology, not a religion - but some religions are political ideologies'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're arguing that women are not equal in western society?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nazi was not a religion but a nationalistic movement generated by resentment to the humiliation exacted by the allies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess you're right, they're afforded rights and priveledges well beyond men, it's true'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they were all pure evil though, kind of a similar situation as is going on today'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well we'll see in 50 years if religion is still even talked about. Think how much religion has changed even here in America, much more the middle east, since the 50's and 60's... or even the 1900's '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't confuse the Nazi movement itself  to how it was perverted by Hitler.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how has religion changed in the middle-east since the 50s and 60s?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'correct, nazi was a socialist movement perverted to genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if religion dies at all, by attrition, it will take centuries for it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think with the exponential growth of social media, it won't take as long as we think'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're kidding yourself if you think it will die, and you're also kidding yourself if you think it's a good thing without any qualification or caveat'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'social media cuts both ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'only time will tell, and that is my whole point. It is futile and perhaps even stupid to give the Islams an enemy to rally against'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that has happened is that GOVERNMENT has supplanted religion as lord and master, which it does ... just without any ethical or moral backing'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I certainly think that a belief system is necessary. One needs an infrastructure for rational thought. But if the outcome is going to be rational thought, then the infrastructure must be rational. So religion needs to enter the XXIth century.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I can agree with that... golden rule'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'but it can't be a rational for persecutionm, as it is now, in all religions '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and yes, you can ignore the establish religions and just read, Kant, Hume and Locke :) Or Nietzsche :) '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'few religions persecute'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments persecute far more freely than religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'That mey be true, but there is a difference between religion-dominated government and religion separate government'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see -any- holy crusades going on at the moment, only western allied forcing blowing up brown people with drones'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't be seduced by the claims of disestablishmentarianism. Governments are ruled by religion simply because the members of government dont suspend their beliefs when acting in behalf of the people (though they are constitutionally required to do so)..'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've been programmed by propoganada, zaane'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Well, we have to do what we can to prevent terrorist attacks'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which terrorist attacks are those?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Case and point.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you will find that govts that are freer from religious (or cultic) influence like mine tend to "persecute" their people less...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what terrorist attacks? If you believe that there are groups out there bent on terrorism you are being naive. Terrorism are powered by governments. The claims that Iran and Libya back terrorist groups can be made of the US, France, Germany and UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the terrorist groups in South America are financed by the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Probably true, so what is the answer? Isolationism? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what case and point you were trying to make, zaane, the fact that there is no real terrorist threat kinds pours water over your religious crusade idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Irish terrorism in the UK was funded by the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al-Qaeda was largely crafted and directed by the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'My point was think how many terrorist attacks were prevented, that you have not heard of? When you ask "What terrorist attacks" it is confirming that the anti-terrorist forces are working'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, zaane, there was never a big threat, and there certainly wasn't a threat that required the action that was taken'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Al-Queda was indeed supported by the US. The group was formed to counterattack the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is where the Taliban comes from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the action that was taken to prevent the fake threat caused far more of a threat than there ever was to start with'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the leader of the Afghani opposition was Osama Bin Laden'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem... action... solution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'There is a lot of speculation and not a lot of proof regarding the motives and sources of terrorism, not to mention that changes in leadership over time, so it is impossible to discuss with any accuracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism is pretty simple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, terrorism is used to destabilize sitting governments, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I agree to disagree then'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Only time will tell.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the reason these governments need to be destabilized is because they oppose the terrorist supporters' foreign policy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anaristos has the nub of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...what will happen... obviously :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same tactic used against foreign countries can/and is used against dissenters in your own coutnry'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'what country is mine? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter what country is yours'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, domestic terrorism is common.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Whatever keeps the peace and pensions... works for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, a sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'How many bridges have you blown up today tiger? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's the position of most citizens, the main reason why governments get away with what they get away. Citizen apathy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're over 52, there'll be no pension'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Did you hack the network to get your internet connection? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'or are you paying for it... like the rest of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'everyone on aardwolf is a sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'if you weren't you would not be on aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well as a matter of fact, i'm paid to have an internet connection - an artefact of a free market system'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like all lawbooks in the world that i heard of are missing 'act of desperation' and 'exploitation of the desperate' as arguements in court, i expect that alot of the conflict in the world is population control, managed from the top government who keeps a close control over everybody, like your 'intelligent design' terrorist expectation'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'population control if very important, maybe most important'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there is no need to get angry at me because you have an unrealistic view of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eugenics is a subject near and dear to politicians :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Not angry, just the pot calling the kettle black'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to explain that one'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...Unless you consider the debate channel on Aardwolf your attempt to change the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'A sheeple calling a sheeple a sheeple '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i forgot. Unless I singlehandedly change the world, my view isn't correct?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'No, but it does not make you not a sheeple, A sheeple is a way of life, not just what you say with your keyboard'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think knowledge/understanding and choice is the main things needed for non-violent population control'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you choose your own views, you justified the opinions you express and the positions you hold'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is no fault of mine. You've had more than a couple of people here giving contrary opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I can say I am not a sheeple all day long, but if I live like a sheeple, I am a sheeple. That is my only point. And you began it with the ad hominem, I am just correcting you'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I agree that population control is key'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'you are, of course, entilitled to your opinion as much as everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you are entitled to stay in the Matrix, I just object to you going around trying to tell people it's real'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'my paycheck and police force and bakery are real, the notion that somehow, all governments and people are corrupt, is inaccurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whoever said all governments and people are corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Tiger, what are you trying to say? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I need a clarification'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you like me to say?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Merry Christmas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Merry Christmas, though technically it's now Boxing Day'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'So, if you could change one thing about the world Tiger, what would it be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'And it has to be real, not like ," make everyone happy" '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's not very likely that society will ever change though, entirely, and that's fine i guess cause it's diversity - but where the origin of corruption comes from, individual choice or government enforcement, that doesn't always have to be enforced by the law - people need something to do, some way to gain a decent amount of sustenance, some mutual understanding of entitlement, etc - the selfish ones rise to the top's what messed it all up i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I personally, would require everyone to only have 2 children. NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Enforcing that would be tricky... but what isn't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Of course its implausible at this stage, but who know is 75 years?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with birth restrictions is that under normal circumstances more women are born than men.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'eh... science will fix that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, when governments fight even more important things like t-cell research.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody notice that it seems some nations battle neighbouring nation's exposure to americanism, yet in america itself their communism is promoted by leaders of society?  don't see americanism preached in the head of communism states'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like here: Head of Obamas Jobs Council: State-Run Communism Actually Works http://www.theblaze.com/stories/head-of-obamas-jobs-council-state-run-communism-actually-works/'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet somebody in russia or china saying non-communism works wouldn't get very far'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming they're communists like north korea'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the leader of general electric i think, seen it on fox news and remembered the communists reaction to non-communism anywhere near them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all corrupt isn't it?  any attempt at appearing non-corrupt is not the ultimate nature of any government that i seen, but it makes transition under their control easier - while they reveal their true selves afterwards, i seen it in history'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why they'd promote sources of those crimes as a suitable alternative to developing something new'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except that they're already conquered and making the change appear good'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something most of the west doesn't realize is that the ones who weren't working for the military's of the ones who colonized it who came to it of their own free will were trying to escape 'easternisms' like their religious and political extremism, which they now are influenced by and adopt without resistance instead of fight against because their ancestors hated them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think so anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism and communism are both easternism, same with desert-gods who were taught to your ancestors in concentration camps before being seen as the saviour, easternisms - native americans can relate to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money itself is defined in the east'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what your life is bought and sold for, easternism money'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the american continent is not a single thing that cannot be produced on itself and consumed by it's own citizens for possibly an indefinite time'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'north/south/central'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they choose to be slaved by the enemy across the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just one of the things that's fundamentally wrong with the world imo, no explaination for it beyond slavery that i can see'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess western nations were founded by people not satisfied with their own nations more intent on having yours and they continue on their way like ever before - likely all owned and operated by the original colonists and their ancestors, used as proxy to hold theirselves up in the east'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the majority of them came here to escape the eastern devils and try to start over, eventually finding that they don't even remember why they came'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fail to see how oil is a concern to them for one thing, as a continent america , along with technology usually ignored and demographic solutions/environmental concerns abolished, would have no shortage for it's own consumption for a long time, in all forms of energy development and resource utilization'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there they are, most flabberghastedly obsessed'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead of the relative ease without abolished effort, they do this other stuff to keep their eastern owners amused'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think the people in africa don't know that the people in africa are starving?  for instance, how is that your fault for not being born in a nation that starves it's own people to death?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is the sentient benefit that you extracted from their deaths consciously, which was required for your personal consumer habits?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then, why should you blame yourself for what they cause to themselves?  on their eastern side?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen on documentary video, there's freshwater lakes the size of texas in africa, and that's alot of consumable water for iirgation and things like that, if they had wanted to defeat starvation themselves instead of living the luxurious life like 50 cent preaching to the ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can see that they're resisting solutions happening and still blaming yourself for their problems then you have a common problem with alot of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chances are far higher that the local warlords are resisting them than that the actual people who are starving are resisting them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and what sets them up as gods in their land?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'the illiteracy rate in africa is also staggering'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i assume that most people aren't their own masters too, i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more guns.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'repressing education is the sure-fire way to remain a master'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'africa is a shithole'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hey majic'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'remember that time you hooked up with an aardwolf player'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what was his name?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, i just wanted to know if portgaze was your son, but i guess that didn't go anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...huh? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'never mind :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'ha funny kojiro. magic isnt my father but very funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'given that I lack testes, I will never be anyone's father :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how does a good-lookin' gal like you lack testes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'or mother..'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic you have a typo in your description'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I tend to use British spellings for some words without thinking about it, and by that, it's correct :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'assuming you're referring to judgement, as I don't see another.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In 2005, he signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20824693'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reassured voters that Svoboda is not racist, xenophobic or anti-Semitic - just pro-Ukrainian. "We are not against anyone, we are for ourselves," he said.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" - using two highly insulting words to describe Russians and Jews - and emphasising that Ukrainians had in the past fought this threat with arms. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20824693'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that goes back a long time, it's understandable if they feel theirselves threatened to look for reasons, i think it's alright that ukrainians want their own identity and at least try to retain some of their independence that they feel threatened, useful for dialogue on why not at least, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, easier to appeal to people's emotions though, often - against conflicting beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term, doing so to an excessive extent. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '++ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion  is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed by the elicitor of the argument.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see any correllary sports?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here comes the law ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear  is an emotion induced by a perceived threat that causes animals to move quickly away from the location of the perceived threat, and sometimes hide. It is a basic survival mechanism occurring in response to a specific stimulus, such as pain or the threat of danger. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror is a policy of political repression and violence intended to subdue political opposition. The term was first used for the Reign of Terror imposed by the Jacobins during the French Revolution.[2][3] Modern instances of terror include red terror or white terror.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it the government? ++ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory in social psychology, states that human behavior is mostly motivated by an unconscious fear of mortality. According to TMT theorists, symbols that create cultural worldviews are protected as representations of continuity. The terror management theory posits that when people are reminded of their own deaths, they more readily enforce these symbols.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'There are soooo many views, soo many ideas, i just dont understand the idea that my ideas are wrong, simply bc a book tells me so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that book was written by humans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Written by humans, inspired by God'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Big difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, so drug addicts, who claim to be in connection with god, who write books and poems and music... they're wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am inspired by my god everyday'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by the world around, the beautiful world my god has laid forth for me to inhabit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by the world around me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah something you have to accept on this mud is that it is run by christians'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The difference was that those people experienced a life WITH God, like physically'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'eg : daily prayer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'During the period when Jesus was on Earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how do you know that was the case? Tolkien created such a vast universe, why is that not within the imagination of people back then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'How often did god speak to any of the writers of the book, and how often was it a messenger of god and not god himself? An angel isn't infallible, as lucifer is testament.. and the minds of men are easily able to warp further between hearing the "word" and scribing it down (usually far after the fact)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'There are things that we cannot comprehend and things that we won't understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unless god physically dictated this to the author, there is no way to conclude that their thoughts were completely those of their god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can always ask, why did God put that tree in the garden of Eden?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Why can't God just kill Satan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why is their a god?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do we have to have one?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Even if God dictated it to the author... there is no way to conclude anything either :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Why is there anything? What is the meaning of life if there is an afterlife?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You always have to trust that some guy writing a book wasn't lying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why cant science prevail? bc there is something in everyone, that would like to believe that there is something beyond their own mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone would like to believe that there is something higher than themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone wants to live beyond their own mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Ok ok, slow down on the questions lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'believing that you will beyond your own physical vessel is such a wonderful thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry, my fingers are going crazy lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Like you said, there is something in everyone that wants to believe in something beyond our mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'All of us human beings want love'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can get love from people/money/worldly items and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you saying that humans, as people, are incapable of creating their own thoughts on the after life without the use of the bible?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'does (say) Ivanhoe seriously believe that a (allegedly, supposedly) knowledgeable intelligent deity inspired a crudely-authored Bible with numerous inconsistences, errors, contradictions, and often inept bad advice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Could you list the errors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'What are the inconsistencies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fact that the bible advocates slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Is there a point to that? It was written by man, it's guaranteed to have at least a few, unless you feel man can know in full the thoughts and desires of god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to attribute the (crudely authored) Bible to an actual "God" is blasphemous (in retrospect)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'for one'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Advocates meaning allow?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Use simpler english please =('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more than "at least a few"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, accpeting a religion is the idea of simply accepting an idea...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''moved by the spirit' is what is an arguement about the mind of man distorting the words of prophecy etc, as though they were temporarily possessed by a guide who moved their pen'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do your ideas not change? do you not grow mroe and more everyday?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I said earlier that for Christianity, as much as people think it's a religion, it's actually just a relationship with God'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'chemosh actually offering something '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it is a religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Because people make it out to be a religion, some even call it a cult'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'christianity is religious term, it cannot be classified in any other way'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are attempting to manipulate christianity in your favor with that very statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '(like i said i was once christian, so this is just friendly as can be)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'except that the very definition of a religion is just that.. a close relationship with a superior being'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet again Snowolf... offbase'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'When someone is a Christian, it means that he has a relationship with God. Not his religion is Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That is my opinion on what being a Christian is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'christianity is associating with an idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ivan is saying it's not a religion because it's a relationship with god. I'm simply saying that in the one sentence he proves himself wrong. I'm sorry I don't type as fast as you Quelz and you went on several lines and thoughts before I finished typing :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if one believes in god, but does not believe in the bible, they are not christian... and i am most definitely now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im an ahole Snowolf... i make waves lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most definitely not..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I've noticed, and I find it entertaining :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm really bad at argueing and all, so I'm really not the best person to be talking these stuff due to my lack of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an alternative view to the "deity inspiration" alleged to the Bible, is the fact that the Christian Bible, when examined piece by piece, is often a plagiarism of prior pagan mythologies -- and that near totally discredits the claim that the christian Bible was inspired by a christian god -- instead, the christian Bible was inspired by paganism!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats what drives as humans, the quest for knowledge IvanHoe... and that's what we are doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are sharing out vast knowledge as humans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'As much as I want to stand up for my God, I don't know how to counter your arguements'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Such as that whole bunch of stuff Zela just said'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Ok IvanHoe... if you really want my #1 source for discrediting christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, but Ivan, as long as you are certain in your beliefs, and are willing to state them openly as you have, then you've done well by your god (from what I understand).'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'watch the movie Zeitgeist... it is free on the internet, and offers the strongest argument against christianity you will ever find'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it argues every point Zela is offering'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I mean, Even Muslims believe Jesus exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or research osiris myth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jews dont, but jesus was a jew... explain that? lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'There are things that can't be explained like I said earlier, for example, Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz is most sufficiently intoxicated, thanks to his friend Jack Daniel
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'If God is all-knowing and knew that would happen, he could have not added it in'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He wanted it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'But, just because the bible can be linked to plagiarism of pagan beliefs, doesn't discredit the teachings, just the source.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, i love your conviction... it offers some sort of faith in humanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Maybe, but nobody would know'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but what makes you believe god put a tree in this place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that this place every actually existed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you can't argue for your ideas, maybe your ideas are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Because he created all things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Donkey is the only perfect animal.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's the fact that we humans can't believe something that you can't see'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's allegorical anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you know pretty much every other major religious book offers a very similar theory?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That makes it really hard to explain or convince people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EXACTLY!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Like, how do you explain gravity? I mean we all know it's there but can't see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's pretty well known that even theolgian accept genesis is allegorical'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, well, gravity can be explained..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'But why is there even Gravity?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... science and religion are very different'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'How come Earth is the only liveable planet with Oxygen?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'for humans at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we dont know that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, yeah, but evangelicals insist that genesis has to be taken literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do you know how many universes are discovered daily?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'why do you expect oher people to believe you if you can even explain yourself ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'We know that too..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I don't need you to believe me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's your choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, i think the stoning your neighbor for working on a sunday was meant to be taken literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but you express that you want us to believe you but are bad at expressing yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... one question, this is a yes or no question, no maybes... Are there not enough ideas on this subject to make you even slightly question your beliefs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Dagnir, only if it was him working with powertools at 6 am on Sunday >>'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Nope, nothing will waver my belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that in itself has proven our argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol it's people like ivanhoe that start wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't think so, xiu'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Well, he's not willing to fight for his beliefs, he's simply willing to shrug off that others feel differently and closed his mind. His type don't start the wars..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he has ideas he can't justifiy, and nobody can convince him otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you have proven your point IvanHoe... your unwillingness to accept the introduction of new conceptions and ideas has solidified your place... humans most constantly seek growth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people made me question my Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hearing new ideas lead me to believe myself in the way i do now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's just an experience that I had that made me believe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Question, everything. Because anything you've been taught, or you've learned on your own, may be wrong, and how would you ever know if you don't explore it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thinking your ideas have solidified, despite the fact that you are still living, proves that you have given up your right as a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you desire to research whether Christianity is able to withstand atheistic scrutiny, you likely require to debate against and or with decent atheists in (say) an IRC scripture channel with a Bible-scripture-bot, (where decent nonchristians are not kicked) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'just because you can't explain something does mean it's supernatural'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'totally Xiu lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it might mean you are ignorant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Feral Pup Snowolf nods at Xiucozcatl.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I probably am'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can criticise me, I'm cool with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Or that humanity as a whole is ignorant because they've not discovered the truth behind it..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'admitting ignorance is admitting you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'If you say so Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are criticizing your decisions in closing off your contiuation of accepting new ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it takes faith to believe in what we think of ancient paganism as well, and how it inspired christianity - since we can't travel back in time and verify everything ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'there is also a certain kind of person who takes ignorance as an insult rather that an opportunity to learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are not criticizing your faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm open to hearing new ideas, just not changing my belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Simple as that, that is my conviction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'That isn't a criticism, that's an observation Ivan. If you don't know why or how something happened, I could say it's magic, you could say it's god, and which of us is right? Both or neither?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'threin lies the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... you must leave your mind open... you must!  closing it off, is causing so much more harm than good as a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The problem is I'm not learned enough to argue with all of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I've only been a Christian for 2 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why you must maintain an open mind IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so go learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'What were you before that Ivan, if I may'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why you must constantly seek out information on subjects you do not understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I didn't believe in anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Freethinker'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think people mean more to God than a story though, like the first humans must have had some other way of transversing their knowledge of God beyond reading from a book'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so why christianity ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's probably cause I've been exposed to it the most'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not worship cthulhu?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Never even heard of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'religion by default?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl spits in utter disgust!
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'aha Ivan'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you jsut said it Ivan'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'My parents were buddhist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is the only thing youve been exposed to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I had muslim friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so you must understand that there are many more options of exploration'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually agree more with buddhism than any other religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'karma is my religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Christianity was the one that reached out to me the most'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I started attending church, bit by bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you also believe in reverse karma, quelz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or was the one most available to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Ivanhoe, which do you want more: "truth" or "happy delusion with doubts"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I attended it for the wrong reasons, for friends and fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh hell yeah Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I strayed away from church a few years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like, when you kick someone in the nuts, they had it coming because they did something bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church is the worst part of christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I can't imagine going to church for friends or fun.. that's the bar LOL'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's just that, after some circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church is a popularity contest... "let me dress well, do all the after church activities, help the kids, then i am doing well"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I seemed really lost and alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and someone invited me to church'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all feel that way IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'church is about society, not religon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church offers understanding within a group setting'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's because y'all don't have jesus in your heart, quelz :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and it just touched me, and I know that God was always there for me even when I rebelled against him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you have people who understand similar ideas, than you will feel more accepted'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and that's why I believe there is a God, even if I don't have any evidences or facts to argue witha ll of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i believe in god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i love god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he makes me breathe, think, live...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you felt down, and a bunch of cheerfull people accepted you into thier social circle ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Xiu dont do that '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I guess so Xiucozcatl'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that church'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'haha :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's a troll statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm out of here, I don't need any of this =)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'no no stay a while pls'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm here to play the game'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe dont leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are not against you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'I believe in God too for the same reason! :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'thats thats church... social aspect, not religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'You are not offering anything outside of your own understanding Xiu...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I know you're not, but I have nothing to offer other than telling you that believing in Christianity has changed me life'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he admitted it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way, you'll be sorry when the stars are right and the elder ones awaken and devour us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '... it's pretty easy to see in a lot of born again's'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'OMG, the internet resorts to trolling, every time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no one gives a flying fuck about anyone as an individual anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I care IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i give a lot of shits'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i'm not trolling... it's an obvoius observation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I feel sorry for you Xiucozcatl'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'as long as it changed your life in a positive way, then that's a good thing IvanHoe! I think what Quelz really is trying to say is don't assume that there isn't more to it that you could find that might improve your life even more (or improve your relationship with your god while at it)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'okay xiu then my turn!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I feel sorry for myself for not being able to answer most of you too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I can only be a living testimony, that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl goes, "Whee!"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz thanks Snowolf
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and probably answer certain stuff in the bible, but these questions are just too hard for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'i believe that a long time ago God created us, then a while later Jesus came down as man and died for our sins and now we're free from sin and will have everlasting life, and everyone can too :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe that is why we are bringing this up, questions are what we live for...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Don't assume that what is written in the bible is "the word of god" - remember that it is "man's interpertation of the word of god"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Yeah, but it's too difficult for me to answer, I don't have the answers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Ivanhoe is going for "happy delusion of touched-by-god" reinforced by other (allegedly) happy (stepford) believers -- that was the blue pill or the red pill or ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'my turn Clopidogrel'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Snowolf, even though man wrote the bible, God inspired them to write it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's like JK Rowling writing Harry Potter and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Or Tolkien inventing the elven language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and writing and awesome book'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'How we know God inspired them? No idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Zela- what if he isn't like that and you're wrong? :) Or do you read him more deeply than the rest of us can?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are unwilling to accept love for another individual, this is the hatred that humans possess.... humans feel the need to belittle everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'JKRowlings was inspired by .. Harry Potter ?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can always ask, who then wrote Genesis? since there were no humans on earth before Adam'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'did god inspire h.p. lovecraft?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Yes, but as you know, humans make mistakes. Because god told you a story, and you spent a lifetime writing it down, or worse, repeating it to their children and grandchildren until it got written down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'INSPIRED by god does not mean it "is gods word"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I can go make a statue of christ in my backyard, and I could say it is inspired by god, but that doesn't make it him does it? Just my interperatation of him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'indeed snow people can say the original was inexact, the translation was inexact, and people say interpretation and stuff and this may seem wonky to some'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, most of these people are assholes... although this is a struggle... I, personally, am attempting to merely offer a different understanding of life, because it is necessary for ideas to be shared'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I don't know how to answer that, but I just know the the people who wrote the books in NT have had a physicaly relationship with God when he was here on Earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'people tells story to explain things they don't understand, like thunder. one day a charismatic Jew of the messene sect preached nice things and got a lot of followers, then his followers went down to the pub and exagerated his stories. then after he died some of his followers started a cult of personality around him.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'physical*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The disciples of Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are all disciples of god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we were created in god's image'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'therefore we are all disciples'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Xiu that may be a satisfying thought and true because it's so sweeping- but it may not be true in this case yeah? what if you're wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we were created from shoggoth dna'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ivan, did you know that the disciples didn't write the books until decades after christ returned to heaven due to being persecuted? How many people in their old age have foggy memories? How many can retell a story from their youth with PERFECT clarity? Very very few.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by your interpretation we all share god's idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'most of the scriptures were authored long after Jesus Christ was long gone -- the gospels are early 2nd century AD, and Paul never met Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'So how does the 4 gospels have such similiarity in their accounts of what happened when Jesus was here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what if you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'While I'm sure that the events that they wrote about where true to their memory, human memory isn't flawless'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ivan, because these gospels were selected by the church. there are many more'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate the fucking internet soo very much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even judas and mary have theirs'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Xiu- if I'm wrong nothing happens right since the world isn't a very caring place after all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, but right there, you said similarities, which suggests the events they wrote did happen, but that they were all different for each person who wrote them down, yes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'mercenary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Man Quelz, if you really wanna know about Christianity, go ask an actual pastor who has been through bible college and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'But I don't believe I'm wrong. And if you're wrong, then what happens? Because sure as sure you aren't sure you're right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the NT gospels were proxy ghostwritten after the fact, likely by those never met Jesus Christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Then they're proxy ghostwritten in interesting ways for interesting motivations- not that I justify my faith by tenuous logic like this lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'and again there is the problem of interpertation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i had my mother in law try the same argument on christmas day... i beleive in god so i go to heaven, and if not well nothing....  that is ugly way to think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Yup snow there is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'I remember a dispute once irl over it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that isnt faith that is playing dice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people behaving morally because they want reward or are afraid of punishment is fucked up'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'And I'm not sure what to do about it- whether they're fully inspired or not- but fortunately we can live life in Christ fully even not knowing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you in a city in australia, or like a suburb?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah when i called her on it, just like i did to you, she also claimed thats not how she thinks'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's really about god, not playing the odds'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl smirks.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you want to know about actual Christianity, take lessons from decent atheists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good to have strong beliefs which are based on what is understood and feels correct, like that parable of building a house on a rock or sand, being sure is important - otherwise there's 'dismay' and a sense of insecurity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'at least you may not get the tourist tour for choir believers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, you are so spot on with that statememnt'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela watches the Quelz pedestal of sand to Chemosh crumble
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'strong deluded beliefs, tsk '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'okay imma go off for a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"truthiness! ftw" says Stephen Colbert grinning'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'but idk if its right to just slink out so i'll just say: people are by nature screwed up and sinful and fall short of perfection. come to Christ and believe in him and by faith have everlasting life and joy in Him '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'tty guys later'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'undernet #scripture is okay when the occasional decent atheist visits -- most of the time the boring religious-nutters are there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am neither atheist nor nut'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"you are number 6"  "i am not a number!"  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Stephen Colbert is a troll catering to the disenfranchised american youth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, he offers a satire, while still providing legitimate political information'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes... a troll'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'only those intelligent to sift through the subterfuge actually get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'intelligent enough that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'intelligence is such an overrated quality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so is faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Xynix is smoking something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"religious faith is blind belief in the delusions spread by others"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in that statement, i do not concur'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"religious faith is the blind belief in the delusions spread by others"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith is one of the few pure ideas humans follow as a people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no matter how misguided'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith drives people to completion, to success, to greatness'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you smoosh together words with the implication they are inseperable, when it is not so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without faith, society is doomed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you use adjectives that arent actual adjectives'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'bold claim'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'explain'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'ultimately there is neither completeness nor deficiency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith in love, in success, in an afterlife... faith is one of the underlying, driving force in humanities existance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so the guys who did 9/11 were following one of the few pure ideas?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without faith in the future... without faith in humantity, we would of already ceased to exist as a species'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'and ascribing sky-fairies to those things is taking the easy road out, it's the realm of childrens fairy tales'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious faith permits the deluded to agree to and do genocides, murders, tortures, atrocities, false accusation, intolerance -- in the name of Church and (false) god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i've already stated i do not believe in a Christian god... where did i lose you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps .. mosque and (false) Allah'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you assume faith is required when there are other options'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '.. temple and (false) Buddha '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'what is a valid belief then Zela?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'doubt everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'what about the existance of existance?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i doubt that as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe we're in a simulation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that would still be existing though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah that first year philosophy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'half of you are about as ignorant as this keyboard im typing on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'should be easy then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yay the arrogant guy whos gunna educate us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yep that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am the savior of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and i will lay forth the matter of your life that you should follow from here on out'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you are an archtype'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am the end all, be all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl yawns.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'bow to my omnipotency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what's it gunna take you have you get me a ferrari ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'prayer?  sacrifce some animal ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'read "the secret" :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'read "the dragon in my garage"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have to wish for it really hard, i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'religion can only be called that if universally true. Otherwise it's just organized superstition. Atheism however is rarely anything but obstinate obstruction of philosophical debate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i created a monster'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'universally ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that's right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some hindu philosophy has concepts 'Smrti' and 'Sruti' investigated, seeing what zynix is saying there about universally true, those're some interesting ponderances'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so by your own definition Zynix, all religons are superstition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all religious are right, and they are all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'if you like. I prefer to view it that they all more or less sucessfully attempts to point towards ultimate reality, allthough this becomes obscured behind cultural and mythological taints'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people act like robots'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's not "as i like". that is what you said'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you dont agree you need a dictionary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'no, what I said was that by my definition a religion could only be called a religion in so far as it is true, and otherwise it's superstition'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religions were originally started as a farudulent political means to delude the populace into providing services for the unscrupulous leaders'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'no that is not what you said, you are now revising in the face of challenge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that is simply not true'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are not normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '[26 Dec 04:07:05] (Debate) Zynix: 'religion can only be called that if universally true. Otherwise it's just organized superstition. Atheism however is rarely anything but obstinate obstruction of philosophical debate.''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religions were originally started as a fraudulent political means to delude the remaining populace into providing services for the unscrupulous leaders and their favorites'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'further proves my point that humanity is no longer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'as you can see xiu, I do not say that all religions are supersitions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you then lack understanding of the word universal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'by universal I mean boundlessly valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you dont agree you need a dictionary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'all religions are inherently fraudulent when based on blind faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In some of the Smriti text itself, we are reminded of the divine nature of the S'ruti texts, and are ever advised that in case of any conflict of interest between the two, the S'ruti will always overrule Smriti. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Aruti like this here , it's interesting - you're saying religion is always a tool to control people for politics, and that's a valid expectation from observing how people act in the world, but here is a statement that claims the 'eternal truths' of a religion over-rule the 'temporal traditions and customs' of the time in which it's learned, when in conflict '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least, that's what i understand from looking at that - like the bark of a tree and the tree itself is one allegory i read'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you can't just make crap up and be expected to be taken seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'valid point Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'how would you define it then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate how about YOU go look at a dictionary, since YOU are trying to convince ME'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fraudulent and wrong "eternal truths" are neither "truths" nor truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of separating the religious aspect/ philosophical aspect from the worldly aspect, which changes - and not placing the worldly before the religious as the purpose of the religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz mind hurts... something tylenol just cannot aleviate
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'labeling religious lies as "eternal truths" does not make them "truths"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like war's and kingdoms are worldly aspects of a religion, or laws of killing people for crimes and what kind of crimes those are, as defined by society, which is the temporary aspect of the religion surrounding the philosophical or religious aspect that it brings'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh... offering some truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that was a verbose not-say-anything statement, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what that page said to me is that that religious aspect shouldn't be hindered by placing the worldly aspect before it, but is the very value of the religion itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh... hitting the nail on the head'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'doubt that was even a complete sentence'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's a good observation, since it leaves religion as a non-political tool while distancing itself from the claim that that's all it ever was'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the world though, obviously religion's used alot as an excuse, or to gain support in worldly endeavours'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela suspects that the cheering Quelz miscomprehended what Chemosh actually said
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though it's written in the religion to do that sometimes, that's what i consider to be that 'Smrti' aspect of religion, and not the core philosophical / religious teachings of the religion itself - more of the reverse, placing the worldly before the religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i haven't seen many people following moses word for word in the world, although there's alot of judaists and intermixed old/new testament religions out there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that, Chemosh, is exactly why I tried to extricate the ideas of religion from the cultural manifestation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'it's important to clarify the semantics, because otherwise the discussion dissolves into the traditional polarities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said that "(fraudulent) religions shouldn't be hindered by the worldly aspects (of the carnage promoted by religions)"  [paraphrased extra] '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'I've heard there is no word in hindi for "heresy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the decent folk of USA likely believe that terrorist religions are to be hindered and even eliminated'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck that Zela... dont tell me what Americans understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am American... and dont impose your ideas about Americans upon Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i said "the *decent* folk of USA ..."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're not American, you have no right to speak upon our behalf, and I, quite frankly, take offense to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'was not directly refering to you, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American, and therefore you were referring to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont make generalizations... it proves your ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'although the comment was directed against your wrong opinion(s) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am sorry Zela... but you have no basis for you conclusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'LMAO:  "the decent folk of USA likely believe"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when you support a statement by Chemosh that indirectly supports religious terrorism, you are no longer decent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sounds like american opinion news where they always tell you what "the american people" think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support the American government, you indirectly support religious terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American and do not support the American govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goooood'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, don't you mean "if you support democratic american government"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you gunna be ignorant, at least have conviction, none of these weasel words like "likely"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but to imply anything about "us" is blatantly a falsehood and a misinterpretation of our people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support democratic american government, you probably don't support the american government :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support "two-party political system subverted and bought out by corporate interests" faux-democratic american government, you problably voted'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i did not vote'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're in the majority, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'then you have no say in politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'proud of that ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Dagnir are you American?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can vote locally/state level and have a say in politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but "didn't vote - don't complain" rule is universal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Then Dagnir, no offense... STFU!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's a great argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'until you know more about MY political system than I, then you can talk'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been preferable to vote third party, tbh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do know about your political system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i will make a difference by abtaining !'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Not more than I'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, be less of a patronizing fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obtaining'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then dont insult my intelligence as an American'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, i'm sure you know exactly how much /i/ know about american politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well you open you mouh and asked for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- That's not what I meant, although it sort of is in the sense that the carnage shouldn't discredit religion entirely, in a broader sense I meant the parts of religious teaching which cause that conflict (were there revealed to likely be traditional/customary/worldly and thus not exactly religious) in the first place are the parts of religion which should be abandoned before they produce the chaos -- (Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said that "(fraudulent) religions shouldn't be hindered by the worldly aspects (of the carnage promoted by religions)"  [paraphrased extra] ''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, i want what you're on... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'to talking is to invite critasism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand justice though, i think everybody has a sense of it - i just think people's perspectives on justice vary alot'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criticism is a necessary evil of this channel :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement with Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no way, quelz is the most smartest here :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smartest? really Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dagnir *nod'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wow... your command of the english language is amazing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'oww brain failing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're going to debate American politics, then learn proper english grammar'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cmon, don't go there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dagnir, drop the comma in that above statement starting "no way, quelz ...)  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'would then be "ahem" "American" english grammar ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well if I am going to be put down upon for being American, than I can down someone for not understanding my language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...it's a fair cop'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm bad with commas :('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smartest is not the right terminology'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'least dumb ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know that you retard'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most already implies the top tier... saying smartest behind it, is redundant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then come at me correct Dagnir, if you expect me to take you seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was implying that you're not the smartest one here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz making waves to the best of his abilities
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was implying that you are not the smartest one here either'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'take it down a notch. you're being a patronizing cunt and it's pretty annoying'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, i'm not. but i'm not implying that i am'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if somebody's sticking to their guns because they read it in their religion and that makes it right no matter how wrong it appears to be, then i think people have the right to defend themselves too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and did i imply that i am?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not trying to enable mass-murderers or anything, only considering the nature of the situation as presented in the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least Dagnir isn't Yuna, Quelz :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i fucking missing something? am i being a dick? am i impsoing my will upon others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz laughs out loud
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'have i over stepped my boundaries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, english is my second language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fine, QUuelz, just call him an arse and move on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you missed a question mark there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yes, i did Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that comma seemes to be in the wrong place'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am a grammar nazi! lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'riiiight'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, how many languages do you speak?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '2'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we now in language penis wars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir tries to high five himself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Oh and that warrants a cookie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not really. i'm just trying to be a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i speak 1, and that's all i need'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'when you support a statement by Chemosh that indirectly supports religious terrorism, you are no longer decent' -- I don't know how I could have put it clearer that that's not what I support'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but speaking 2 languages makes you more smarter than most americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'understanding multiple languages is a sign of intelligence, but not a sign of understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple languages suggests you're good at language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, hey, this is the chemosh-under-the-influence channel, not the smarter than thou channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'just bc you are fluent in multiple languages, just can further prove how untilligent one is to multiple languages.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick a pogovian tax on languages, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it has been already established that quelz is the most smartest'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'doesnt mean you actually are smarter'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pigouvian'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nazi!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you're only supposed to stick them on bad stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other languages IS bad stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like nuts of tigers, and things like that!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell the tigers that their nuts are bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that doesnt stop the chinese from making tiger penis wine... lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't want to be the one who does that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially if you mean the tamil tigers!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if there were any left...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i require a meditation session'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir waves goodbye to Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should get the pretitle "tamil", then you'd be tamil tigernuts!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz says "Live long, and proper"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but "didn't vote - don't complain" rule is universal' -- (Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support "two-party political system subverted and bought out by corporate interests" faux-democratic american government, you problably voted' -- I see there two complementary comments, what if you don't have any faith in any of them and know you'll be let down either way?  why shouldn't your opinion matter?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'prosper lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh shit, i just realized quelz is the same douche who wanted to moderate debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i see we've successfully dragged him down to our level :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'at least dagnir can spell douche right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could vote third party, chemosh, but i understand not voting is the same opinion. I don't agree with Dagnir on that, though I understand where he is coming from'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 'expect' rather, what kind of let-downs did you expect that made you not very interested in voting, for somebody you (thought you) knew would make some decision , beyond your control, that you had no say in?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hugs Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( he understood where i was coming from :') )
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i voted a couple times, but i wasn't utterly satisfied with the results, like the indian in ontario who wasn't granted an audience with stephen harper over the omnibus bill and their concerns of how it'll affect their people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz Doesnt quite subscribe to Dagnir's statement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not purely honest and considerate, then it's a stranger's government , to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you don't cast a vote that matters in an election, the very fact that you vote influences the behaviour of politicians and the media...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no caps needed there and you missed an apostrophe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'significant numbers of people not voting allows politicians to write off entire segments of society as unimportant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, though politicians are experts at conning people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand some candacy required for interoperation with the other dishonest governments in the world and defense and things like that though, alot of that structure is mysterious to people - so it's not easy to make absolute ascertations on the reasons or the nature of the problems of the big people and little people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, globalisation guarantees that the minority will always suffer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People are experts in letting themselves become conned'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way - not voting won't help'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'globalisation has nothing to do with it... it's all on how good your govt is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if enough non-voters started to vote for a third-party candidate, that'd likely scare the incumbents of the two main parties'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's globalisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'explain, please'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, globalisation improves the lot of the average guy by improving productivity and efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the removal of power from local government into larger and larger blocks, like sovereign countries to the EU, or the US states to the federal government'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'globalization... just to clarify'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at lower levels, from local to county, and county to regional, regional to national'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not globalisation...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's centralisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are largely going hand in hand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just to make sure we're on the same page, here is one definition... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/globalisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are others, and the general idea is more interdependence/interconnectivity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'large industrial firms are able to be more inniovative and more productive, but that does not mean to not tax the rich and them '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People in every country, in every govt, just continue to give over their civil liberties to bigger governments.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country is highly globalised, for instance, and that makes us more able to support our independence, not less.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'innovative'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your country Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether you voluntarily cede your power to others is entirely on you and your people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've spent decades playing the old balance-the-great-powers game'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Singapore is not quite as "advanced," for the lack of a better term, as the United States of America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir laughs out loud at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, we've fewer resources and are much richer per capita'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and you have far less civil liberties'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, you have it all wrong. america is #1! haven't you heard?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, better education, lower unemployment, higher life expectancy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hee hee'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much smaller sample'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less demographic variety'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wait, i thought there was shitloads of variety there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yes, far less civil liberties, like being able to walk around in the streets in the middle of the night without getting shot...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People fail to understand that America is the most diverse group of people on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahahaha Sonshi, you have a warped idea of America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(he has)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'USA! USA! USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America has more struggles than any other country, based on it's demographic alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'name a more diverse place on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, sure, like we don't have a huge muslim minority...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'amsterdam is more diverse. so is london'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have people from every other country, in large quantities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so netherlands and the uk'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and surrounded by muslim neighbours orders of magnitude larger...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'singapore does not'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have people from most countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every other country has a core of people that are from their country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is a mix of every race on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't seem to know dick about singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'more so than any other country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good for you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'except the alternative to Singapore style government is .. the poverty of Bengladesh, or Ethiopia, or other starving countries '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Now people are trying to argue my intelligence on my own country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'now go and be #1 somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'You said this not I Dagnir...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure, but america is still mostly european descent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, i wouldn't want to live in Singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, you are wrong... sorry sir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i live here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont tell me what is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you don't like cities, of course you wouldn't want to live there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts winks at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you have questions, i will answer, but dont make assumptions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA has a lower violent crime rate than the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''if they don't hear you now, how much more when they don't hear themselves?''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'this is true Tigernuts, it's gun violence that is sooo much hgiher'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you deny that america's still mostly european descent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Singapore is a success with a less varied demographic, because a more varied demographic usually leads to internal conflict and ruin'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the poverty-ridden areas'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'globalization to mer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... It's not less varied by that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'singapore has 4 official languages, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't call that varied?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, I am not trying to insult your intelligence'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you count total population, including migrant workers, it's as varied. If only citizenry, yeah, it's a bit less varied, but still...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I never said you were...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the more ideals you throw into the mix, the more ideas you end up with'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with more multi-culturaled issues than any other country on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but what I said about euro-descent was a fact, and it's wrong to say that that's wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious "ideals" lead to stagnation and ruin'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all have decent Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'after 300 years... things get a little blurred'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'American spent the last 200 years accepting anyone, and everyone form around the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, ours is a pretty new country, in some ways it's less homogeneous.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with sooo many problems, because we are one of the newest nations on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fundamentalist Christian creationists are seeking to ruin the USAmerica education system '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, the US is still hundreds of years old...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Quelz did.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are right Dagnir, but in the big scheme of things, we are still so young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the muslims want to weaken the rights of USAmericans with "Sharia Law" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz is a perfect american stereotype that doesn't know much about rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all the decolonised states in the last century are far newer...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz pats Dagnir on the head, and continues to ignore him like the little child "it" is
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, America is not perfect, that is not the point im arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, how many countries have you visited?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'needs to face up to its problems and learn from others though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my point is merely that there are sooo many demographics represented in America, that it makes understanding soooo hard'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at this point, america thinking it's young would be like a middle aged guy going "hey, I'm still young! Really!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhhh... when America is at the fore front of advancement... yet we are still so young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah... i would agree that we are young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america is pretty screwed unless the patriots wake up'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'patriots? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thinking that you're still at the "forefront of advancement" is what's stopping you from real reform...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i find it amazing how many people go to america to turn it into their perceived country of origin instead of a place unto itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that understand and believe in the principles that USA was founded on, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and other countries willing to submit to real-world change is holding you back'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or canada or other place, trying to turn them into russia, africa, spain, italy, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why didn't they stay over there if they liked it so much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US may turn out to be the new old China - too content in its greatness to see how backwards it is becoming...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Wow Chemosh, i like you more and more as we debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Patriot Act" of the GWBush tyranny already ruined civil liberties somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, did you not see where i said America is falling? did you not see where I said America is not the once powerful country it once was.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that using words to twist their meaning is a common trick of those in power, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what made america great used to be its openness to immigrants and new ideas...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now they close the door to a flood of fresh blood and thought...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'USAmericans get to be TSA-raped'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''openness to new ideas' is ok, but changing it into where you came from, building the country around your foreign nation, is same thing as colonialism, which was supposed to have been finished by now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must have missed when you said america is falling... because it's not in channel history...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'probably in gossip... people reallyt go back and read that crap?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the virtual world is destroying real life...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. there's a search function'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'before they were criicising the Roman Catholic and other Christian Churches for molestation -- the TSA is auditioning for the same noteriety'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you want to be a sex-perv -- no need to be a Priest, join the TSA'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you think the defrocked catholic priests went?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'On the other hand, you did claim that america is the most diverse group of people on the planet, more struggles than any other country, one of the newest nations, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi... America is at the fore-front of every technological advance... are youre saying that we are imcompitent?  We do some things wrong, but we get a lot of things right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, sure, every technological advance. heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, what do you think america would have said on 9/11 if they declared the same day they're going to build a mosque down the street from the twin towers and lobby for shariah law, or if that GE guy was preaching communism in the high places of the country during the cold war?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see Nazi Germany between 1920-1945 for a guide'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, i hate to love you lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they would have noticed something fishy is going on here at least hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd probably been blind to it, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, you act like Singapore is just awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're representative didnt even make it in the top 16 of Ms. Universe lolz... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, I'm not the one claiming that we're at the forefront of every technological advance!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singpore isn't even -in- the eurovision song contest'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh and yes i watched that, beautiful women left and right, yes sir!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or that we're more "advanced" than you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or that we've so many problems because our society is so diverse and new'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then dont formulate ideas about America without proper knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, I just stated facts...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like per capita gdp, life expectancy, demographic distribution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'those are not the only measurements of success'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'education?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'asian countries offer more intelligence than America does'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that is our fault'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why america is falling, and fast'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what I'm saying is that to claim that the US is more "advanced" is really iffy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in the "world" view it is, but in the humanity view, no country is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can solve that pretty easily, given its resources, but what they're doing now is just embarrassing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA can sort out it's governance problem, i'd be happy to live there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're telling me, i live here!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in the "world's" view, as you put it, I doubt people outside the US would take the view that it is more advanced than us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Texas, they'd like science classes to teach that the christian god created the Earth and Solar system and Galaxies, and in less than 6 days'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as for female biology: Adam's rib!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'potentially more advanced, sure, if it ever decided to get off its ass and fix its problems...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going the wrong way for fixing things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Texas is one of 4 states in the USA that can actually seperate from the country itself and formulate its own country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'according to those states' constitutions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish it'd get on with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the life expectancy gap is also pretty embarrassing... largely due to lack of access.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's our countries age...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's what it all boils down to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so many ideas coming together to attempt to formulate one idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why our country has not been able to function properly, because there are so many ideas on what could work'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so many ideas on what is right and what is wrong, so many religions...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so do you think that your "country's age" is a plus or minus?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in this day and age, our country's age is a detractor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so older countries have it harder? Or easier?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it makes it hard for us to compete with more established countrys'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country is less than 50 years old...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the republican news media is dummyfying the viewing audience -- that is part of the reason that the populace is at a disadvantage'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but your people are mostly one group'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'a similar sect of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with the assimilation of EVERY race/religion/culture'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'about 40% or so are hokkien, maybe 20% or so teochew and hakka, 5% indian, 20% malay or something like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'on a large scale'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every other country has a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we did not have a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we created a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, from our viewpoint, the blacks and white are also "a similar sect of people" as you put it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'from an Americans perspective we are not.... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unfortunately i dont believe that, but a lot of Americans do'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Singapore separate to Indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'It is Zela'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, in terms of religion and culture, the US is far more homogeneous than singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we don't have a majority religion, for instance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the history of your people is far more solidified'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your people have lived in that region for centuries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zela - we're surrounded by two very big (relatively) muslim countries, indonesia and malaysia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'americans have only lived here for a little over 300 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, almost all moved about as far as the europeans did to america.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... well, maybe half the distance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being a newer country doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage, the main hinderance is the established system of governance that the 'advantaged ones' hold onto throughout time attempting to disqualify the progressive growth of your own, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Publications and public discussions of religious issues are generally censored,along with negative or inflammatory portrayals of religion. The Government does not tolerate speech or actions that it deems could adversely affect racial or religious harmony.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but same order of magnitude!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement toward Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things stayed basically the same throughout the dark ages if i read correctly, there's some 'advantageous government' in perspective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and most of our population moved there far less than 300 years ago...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can be destructive and misled easy though, like most aspirations of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, your culture, in that region, has been established for some time,'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to be muslim/malay'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you have had to deal with all that in the same region... for almost ever...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, im wrong then'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prior to the colonial era, there was little contact beyond trade'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In 1972 the Singapore government de-registered and banned the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore on the grounds that its members refuse to perform military service (which is obligatory for all male citizens), salute the flag, or swear oaths of allegiance to the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but anyway, I doubt that being a new nation makes it harder for the US vs the situation in europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Unification Church has also been banned in Singapore since 1982.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, we ban two churches for pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have freedom of religion and expression except when you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz says "Nice one Tigernuts"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the way the US is going'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I don't hear of anyone being arrested for religious activities these days...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's the same with any UN-member, the whole UN charter on human rights is a joke'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts apprehensively
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'according to the NT gospel scriptures, all Christians are supposed to refuse to take oaths of allegiance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are we back to the religious aspect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except when they defy conscription, then the would-be conscript gets it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is merely a convenient microcosm to discuss a range of issues in'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no particular interest in religion but for the fact that religion itself has been subverted constantly over 1300 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so in terms of religious freedom, it doesn't seem much of an issue, except that that sort of pacifism is banned, due to conscription'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now has been absorbed by the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'pacifism is the only answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unfortunately not all concur with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'pacifism is folly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every human ideal is folly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with well placed pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pacifism certainly wasn't the answer when you have commandos dropping bombs...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pacifism might help stop the bombing of innocent brown people that the US is so happy to inflict'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i totally agree that the US is a little too careless with it's lack of pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, pacifism is all nice and fine when you aren't getting threatened with national extinction, yes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually have a pacificistic representation, in a tattoo on my body'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA isn't at risk of invasion and hasn't been for at least 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when people are actually trying to kill you, that's kind of a different thing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state of emergency in the USA is a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so you have to see the jehovah's witnesses thing in that context'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people were trying to kill Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they weren't, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'during the establishment of American existance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Europeans escaped religious persecution in order establish their own rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now those rights are being trodden on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and therefore "Americans" had to fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by a friendly brown collectivist called Barry Soetero'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible that the UN would draft an anti-blasphemy law before a more generalized law of 'exploitation of the desperate' which goes against unfair treatment of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'americans sometimes think too much about freedom from the govt, instead of focussing on optimising, in some sense, total freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, make more sense to me, where blasphemy is whatever your religion says it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, I could be wrong, but i feel as though your idea of freedom is skewed, and if that is an American trait, i do apologize'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as an example, decades ago, we traded some of our economic freedom (tolerating higher taxation) for the sake of public works and debt repayment...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's practicing segregation then, the people who define blasphemy or the people who enable them to control everybody else's freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i agree that sacrifices need to be made'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whereas today's america has a lot of "govt hands off my money!!!11!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are wrong... America gives out too much money to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's so much infrastructure that can be built or upgraded...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better to beat the federal government and executive branch down to doing only what was intended'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be that that report on the UN anti-blasphemy law wasn't legitimate though, i read it on the internet which is full of fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people fed, clothed, housed... given work...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are entitled to nearly nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'life is what we are entitled too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what if govt employment (and waste) rises for a while... that sort of thing can be dealt with later.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it cant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if UN cares much about human rights, why wouldn't it have a law against something like 'exploitation of the desperate'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we did...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with Quelz, UK is case and point'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is slavery such a fundamental thing to unitedly uphold, or what is it?  i seen alot of stories of people making use of other people's desperation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'One of the founders of country said, that "A govt strong enough to provide its people with everything, is strong enough to take it away."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after decades of high taxation, even with the cost of large projects, the govt coffers were overflowing to the extent that they pretty much had to cut taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but your country has a more stream-lined focus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's deficit problem is due to excessive military spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is the point im making'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'police expenditure also dropped once desperate poverty and homelessness were (mostly) solved.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not fairly either, always some sort of unfair transaction taking place, not much of a promotion of playing by the rules - like i read about america not allowing human rights violation russians into the country or to seize their assets there, and vice versa - why not a more generalized approach where nationality doesn't much matter in the application of that concept?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemosh, the UN rules on human rights do not apply to anyone the UN doesn't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could turn a profit just from your security expenditure and econonmic improvement simply by housing your poor and desperate, even if you had to give it for free, or in exchange for make-work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The UN is a farce... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any country that goes against the will of the UN, human rights don't apply to - they could argue it doesn't apply to North Korea or Iran'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Sonshi
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there you go with the UN again... they're just an international grouping.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their force comes from their members, no more, no less'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's like that mysterious dark structure of interoperating opponents, 'governments' who require the darkness to preserve eachother from eachother, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the UN wants to be in control of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN is the excuse that people like Obama use for invading countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not like they can stop the us from doing as it likes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the excuse he gives for breaking the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Obama is the worst thing to happen to America, since America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, without the UN, they could invade anyone they like. At least with the UN, they have to jump through a hoop or risk looking bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, Quelz, GW Bush was pretty bad, as was Clinton and HW Bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's irrelevent, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I do not agree about Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the world liked us a little more with Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and he dialed back defense spending quite a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama's certainly not as bad as bush...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not nearly enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is almost identical to bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, i live in the US... Obama is quite worst'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least he hasn't invaded any new countries yet!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'worse...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, Libya? Syria?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but he's screwed our country economically sooooooo much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, if you think he invaded them, you must be living under a rock or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I was republican during Clinton years, and now looking back, i think he was better than bush 2 and Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Andurien
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you call cutting off the supplies to everyone except armed insurgents, imposing no-fly zones dropping bombs to destroy infrastructure, and cyberwarfare + targetted seal attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the syrian rebels are pretty pissed over the lack of support and have aligned themselves with the islamists, saying they don't need help from the US anymore, even if they wanted to give it now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because there's been no "ground invasion" doesn't mean it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean it's not h appening'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'of course I'm virtually 100% libertarian now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do you not remember Bin Laden? America gave him all the help we could give'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and it back fired'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian rebels are not aligned with the islamists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian rebels are now almost entirely jihadi's, mostly from other countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America needs to have an isolationist approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'armed by the west via Saudi Arabia and Qatar'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, increasingly, they are... the islamists are the only ones willing to provide boots on the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if one faction is willing to send you the troops and the other isn't, hey guess which one you're going to ally with?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean you should support them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'helping the lesser of two evils isnt going to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the libyans were supported by the west, and the islamists were soundly defeated in elections'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America should not involve itself in these matters'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's hope, at least, of a liberal democracy emerging in a decade or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'democracy is less stable and has less guarantee of personal freedom and opportunity than a republic...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is a republic'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had actually bombed syrian govt armour and airbases, the rebels would've won before the islamists arrived with their poisoned chalice of manpower support...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the UN is becoming a counterproductive thing if it's serving the will of only a small amount of the demographics of the nation's it's composed of'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no right interfereing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm sure you'd say that france had no right interfering in the american revolution either!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The french are bitches'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The French are cowards'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might've been known as washington's insurrection in greater canada otherwise!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'specialty interests aren't generalized interests, and there's no united vote of all the demographics of all the member states on issues that the UN decides, is there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'without France, the rebels would have list the American revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'lost even'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I believe your American history is a little shakey Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, wouldn't even have been close'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that requires getting people involved to understand and things like that, empowering them even - which is democracy, which some of the UN isn't - so that's some counterproductivity of it, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like why should somebody unaffected by a decision, be in control of how it's decided?  that's 0 risk for them, and consequence for somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without french support, the rebels would've been isolated and defeated in detail... they'd never be able to cross a river in force.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do with the UN is to turn it into a trade-only regulator and abolish all it's other powers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the french offered little to nothing in the American revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. The naval support was crucial.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do you think the Americans joke about the french to this day?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not only did it hamper british resupply/blockading efforts, it freed rivers for crossing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it may have prolonged the inevitable'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the french offered about 10% of the overall war effort'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, for a description of french involvement, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i swear if people dont stop siting wikipedia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'even if that's true, Quelz, French support still helped new independent America rebuild after the war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'But did not actually lead to overall American success... Do you know how many french actually stayed here? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France eradicated all the good that they might have done then by capitulating so easily against America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WW2'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'without it, Britain might have just taken a break and come back and toppled us'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one would note that the brits were that close to crushing effective resistance and american morale. If they were free to resupply and send their troops instead of getting tied up in europe, that revolution would have ended as a tiny insurrection...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz shakes head
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, france did try against germany...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just that they were not wise enough to realise that the character of war had changed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't have given up quicker if they tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the brits also fell prey to that, in less spectacular fashion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the brits gave up faster in malaya though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surrenderring to a force less than half their size (something like a third), losing both capital ships with nothing to show for it...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like france has a monopoly on military stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably too late to save Syria now, they could save Iran though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in iran, the main opposing force are of the more liberal variety... unfortunately there may not be enough of them for a revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop suppressing the country, it'll sort itself out in time'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I think the G-summit in toronto a few years ago is an excellent example of how the UN is a failure, assuming these G-summits and the UN are peas of the same pod, here was a extravagant meeting that cost the canadian tax-payers over 1 billion dollars, and that billion dollars (alot less than a billion per project) was slashed from the public services of the canadian government in the following years, much lesser expenses that actually did something for Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that the west has achieved with it is to radicalise people against the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like an example of the UN/G's showing how little democracy really exists and how free you really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'blind religion is a hindrance to decency and fairplay'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you've got to be willing to support the rebels when they do revolt though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where the priority's of your voiceless demographic are utterly ignored and put on display in a parade of mockery'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hands off, and wait for them to revolt before taking action, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the gospel in it, kind of antichristish but no less relevant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, did you even read the gospels'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'several times, 13 to be exact, old testament 7'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's still mysterious to me but I remember the odd thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US/UK caused the Iranian regime, it was secular and calm until then'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'rereading the OT was a waste -- may cause psychological damage to decency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US and UK of that time were still playing the old colonial games...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these 'games' have long term implications, which is why they should STOP PLAYING THEM'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least they aren't playing them in my part of the world any more...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'goodnight all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean you won't be affected'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine Singapore looks quite shiny to an aggressive militant China'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the best is for them to lay off until the people take things into their own hands...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we might...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but we're also quite far away'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change has to come from within'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd have to get through indochina and malaya'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and being a major strategic port, there'd be plenty of countries with an interest in stopping any invasion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as we don't piss them off too badly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'besides, if china behaves historically, they'd only invade countries which are adjacent and sinicised...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see china fragment into the old provinces'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every time they do that, the un-fragment in the next century or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every time in the last 2k years or so that china has not been unified, it has been at war with itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll be fine now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they could always decentralise... but whenever they break into actual states with different armies, they tend to fight each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that would necessarily be true these days'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't be too sure about that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be the only way to break up the communism that lives there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do seem to have little interest in acquiring territory they don't view as chinese though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't really need to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... there could be another revolution and civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 283298309472nd chinese civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt that'll happen in the forseeable future - the public have essentially been bought, much like Venezuela'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you haven't noticed the rioting in the streets?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(much the same way as USA is being bought)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's small compared to the overall population'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a much higher threshold there because of the much dirtier and more brutal techniques that the institution is ready to deploy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china has a long and bloody history of insurrection... also why the govt is always suspicious of "peaceful" monks and their caches of AK-47s'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it could happen, but i think you're likely to see revolutions in the poorer european countries, and even in the USA before China goes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as far as the poorer european countries go, they have immediate problems there, no prizes for guessing they go first'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, authoritarian govts have seized control and have written new constitutions in a couple of countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've managed to kick the can a little further down the line and at the same time deprive european countries of more of their sovereign control with their fiscal union antics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that right wing group with nazi-sounding policies is gaining strength in greece'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural backlash against socialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a similar surge in nationalist policies here, but they're not nazi related, they're just anti-european'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that will happen here is it will lead to more socialist government'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what happens when you have a hobsons choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, funny, given how the ones who got them into trouble were the centre right ND'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whoever took them into the EU has to take a large portion of the blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the socialists just took the fall because they won power right after the crisis, and were the ones to discover that the previous govt had faked the stats'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best face it that when it comes to europe, both sides were calling for union, and they both did it for vested interests'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the centre-right ND brought them into the EEC, the opposition opposed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, it seems that at the time, papandreou campaigned for withdrawal from NATO and the EEC...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, somehow the socialists get the blame, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because nutcases in the country probably think that both sides are equally evil and all that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Republicans screw the USA and attempt to blame the Democrats '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called partisan politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, hey, one side campaigned against the thing that got you into trouble, and the other side not only did that, but fudged the budget and the stats. But let's ignore the stats and say they're both evil!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not unique to the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Bill Clinton left office with a "surplus"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, all down some intern's dress'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that just shows how hard he was working'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so pasok and nd both get the blame for something that nd wanted and pasok didn't. Because of people like you who say both sides are equally bad...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also removed the laws that were preventing banks from creating dubious financial instruments, he also coerced lenders into giving out mortgates to people who couldn't afford them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so he's not all bad, he's not all good'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he was in his office in the middle of the night, working. getting a blowjob from lewinsky was a sacrifice for his country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a weaker man would have been out, partying with better looking chicks'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so show some respect to the man'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or for the man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also benefit from the internet bubble'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because everything important to the internet happened under clinton, and there were no huge tech startups ever since then?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you understand what a bubble is, Sonshi? It's a rush followed by a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened here too, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless I missed something, the tech sector has been pretty strong, except for a bit of a bubble.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had property bubbles here too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a lot of those mortgage lenders were (republican?) crooks that were offering mortgages deliberately designed to fail at the next renegetiation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zela, republican/democrat aspect is largely irrelevent, it was all done with vested interests in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'renegotiation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one might also note that the govt lenders did much better than average...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it was him who pulled the trigger on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like it was Bush who pulled the trigger on the wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, technically it was jesus who told him to do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whenever somebody's talking of how independent or different a politician is from the institution, i'm reminded of how violently in the most 'free' nations even, somebody who differs from the ultimate agenda of the shadow people is dispatched - it's possible once in awhile things are actually independent, but how often is a matter of skepticism - i see shape to most things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or look for the shape'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's likely not too often that them shadow people would change their minds beyond a certain point, or allow somebody elses to be made up on it's own - when they're in control'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't odd how anyone who sticks up for peace, freedom and liberty tends to end up shot?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Luther King, John Lennon, Kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i was in a chat room inhabited by somebody mentioning john lennon awhile back and his girlfriend'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yoko ono?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, i just noticed that nuts hasn't mentioned obama yet. it's a christmas miracle!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of evidence that the shooter was under mind-control'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, a patsy drugged and co-erced'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could have taken it as a indirect threat, yeah, but i don't have any power unlike they did and don't see what kind of a semantics i'm selling that isn't available to any casual observer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'often shot by people who think that the target is trampling on their rights or bringing tyranny to them or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The establishment, usually, Sonshi, as was the case in Lennon, both Kennedies'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they probably weren't directing it at me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure *edges away*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? it's on file'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never even knew who john lennon was until they mentioned it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RF Kennedy they're declassified papers that said they knew it wasn't sirhan who shot him, he was the patsy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK the inquest agreed government agency coverups and conspiracy were involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Government inquest into 9/11 concluded that they didn't know why the two towers fell'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason why they're now arresting people for questioning the official story on the most recent shooting'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'RF Kennedy -- a magazine article hinted that a security guard named Mr Hunt killed RF Kennedy '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, petition to get Piers Morgan deported has got more than double the needed signatures to get a response'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Piers Morgan is a subversive'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also a crook'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is knees deep in the UK phone hacking scandal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partroxis is fine provided it's not right after a reboot'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeremy Clarkson once punched him in the face'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, you were absent a lot this month, were you busy on the IRC Undernet, and which Political chatrooms'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nope, just wittling away my internet habit over time, killing time etc, i recently deleted my video game collection and will probably start reading novels for a hobby instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Undernet#Politics is to be avoided unless a pro-Republican pro-Israeli pro-Bush supporter -- they like to kick contrary opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's too bad, i like no holds barred debates where opinions are matched and misconceptions deliberated'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to debate here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's that 'fear politics' kind of stuff, emotional appeal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like the logic and examination of the reasons'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i'd never delete a video-game collection -- i'd find another addiction (with an antidote)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is undernet #Political'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i started playing Aardwolf as an antidote to another Mud addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did it work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unfortunately, there was Aardwolf addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'then i started analysing Chess as an antidote to the Aardwolf addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the UN small arms ban gets passed and ratified, a simple majority vote of the UN would ban gun ownership in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Chess analysis" already comes with a pre-supplied antidote preventing addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've never played chess before, i never knew anybody who does'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except my bro, but i hardly seen him while he was interested in it - so that fits into the never, since i wasn't there to play with him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the IRC antidote is eventually realising that the IRC-idiots are unable to supply any more informations except stagnant boredom same-old same-old, and may as go elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i used to play a lot of Chess, resulting in a hardwiring into the mental-processes - so must keep the skills somewhat accurate, so that the intellectual abilities may use the hardwiring somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in theory. the Chess mental-hardwiring may also carry through reincarnations provided the rules of Chess remains the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you find the same-old same-old as an antidote, i see it as a question how they keep on going and for who or what do they repeat themselves so much (in some circumstances) about subjects as shallow as there is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'children and youths that are hardwired to playing Aardwolf (or other temporary games) are likely to be screwed in old age since Aardwolf (and other temporary games) shall likely no longer exist in the current form, resulting in a possible loss of mental-abilities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somewhat absurd notion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but boredom's definitely a factor too, good repellant in some situations, i agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when an IRC participant realises that the IRC others are a stagnant same-old, no longer improving, there is no reason to stay at IRC and also become stagnant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'IRC debating may provide new perspectives (at least initially)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, do you like religious debates'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really like them, but it's something that's problematic to discuss'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you see in the bible's book of job, they do the same in there - so it's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't support communism, you're a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i use IRC to find flaws in some irreligious opinions i'd like to express'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i avoid irc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'children and youths that are hardwired to playing Aardwolf (or other temporary games) are likely to be screwed in old age since Aardwolf (and other temporary games) shall likely no longer exist in the current form, resulting in a possible loss of mental-abilities' -- I seen quite a few research articles about media/entertainment/pop culture/environment and their investigated involvement in some mental problems in people, or other problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'internally being aware of the "truth" is one thing (or delusion), being able to express that "truth" safely and beneficially to the worthy is another thing (or vain pretension)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what is a "temporary game"? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be an interesting study if you were bent on figuring it out, but that might be desireable in people by some of their superiors - 'temporary game' he was referring to his experience playing chess and how it was a useful mental exercise, and the rules don't change and the game remains the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a temporary (intense) game is a game (that causes mental hardwiring) whose rules and format changes so as to no longer be available in that form years later, resulting in the possible loss of the use of the mental-hardwiring'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with Chess analysis and study, i may recoup the mental chess abilities, and regain the use of the intelligence using the Chess hardwiring '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prof Anthea Butler is such a bigot and a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i used to be 2100 speedchess rated, and around 2100-2200 expert-rated (unofficially) -- but i stopped playing when i reaslised that the amount of study to reach chess Master (2300+) was not worth the agony involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a lot of preparation and study is involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'internally being aware of the "truth" is one thing (or delusion), being able to express that "truth" safely and beneficially to the worthy is another thing (or vain pretension)' -- 'safely' is like a blasphemy law, who's religion defines safety is a dynamic problem, who's to say my religion doesn't find you in violation of it's precepts and vice versa?  it's not likely to please everybody, anything - always somebody will feel affronted, however unrighteously, by the disposition of somebody else, whether revealed or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who acts on that's the game-changer though, i don't see any reason to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a fun exercise, i used to speedmate with Bishop Knight King against King in less than two minutes (on the speedclock, the opponent gets five minutes on the clock)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'personally, situations are much larger than me that i usually consider, and comprehension's my only goal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world's a pretty masterious sphere, if only more of the mystery wasn't so malevolent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i doubt everything -- the "truth is out there" in the verified and proven'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a fun exercise is to debate with religious-nutters and determine what motivates their delusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a fun exercise is to debate with religious-nutters and formulate an antidote to their delusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"formulate an antidote to their delusions" ==> "refute their deluded beliefs"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the next stage is to publish a book that benefits mankind without destroying the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of those out there, but none of them worked before'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think it can be saved?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mean, worked to solve all the worlds problems etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some books caused a lot of damage: "Marxist-Leninism"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem needs solving:?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine everybody sees at least one priority problem that buggers them on a daily basis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't seem to need to be there, apart from it being a human, more what a human enforces'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "problem" here is reincarnating to a crappy human civilisation beset with religious delusions, political corruption, callous business greed, ignorant undereducated populaces, overpopulation, ecocide, eventual planetary death and or an eco-Hell on planet earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a lot of problems, would you like to pull out one in particular?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'which do you prefer to work upon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no preference'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've actually had nightmares before in 'ecoHell' earth, didn't see them in the movies but they definitely resembled here to some extent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a pretty common belief i noticed though, 'Humans will destroy themselves' is something I've heard come from diverse people, it's like a fate they're resolved on and in acceptance of the inevitability of'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you've got your decency as a guide, or do you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's not neccessarily a force of sheer death and destruction (belief wise), anymore than an acknowledgement that they're not blind and see there's a problem - if they didn't see a problem, then that would be more 'sheer death and destruction' (beliefwise)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a guide to decency, some may prefer to start with the deep analysis of the atheistic antitheist interpretation of the Two Great Commandments of Jesus ((the Not-)Christ) in the NT gospels'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they worship making it worse, for what reasons?  then there's some death and destruction, but not sheer until they pass from memory'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a decent God dislike worship -- service yes but no worship'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a decent "God" dislikes worship -- service yes but no worship -- the teachings of Jesus (the Not-Christ) in the NT gospels tend to exclude worship'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought you were worried about problems?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to solve problems, "the solver must be decent"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh, not necessarily true'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution could be an inanimate object of inevitable event'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or might be the trigger for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a terrible evil could be the trigger for the solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pays to be open-minded and pragmatic'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evil people can do mathematics just as well as good people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yeah, the Nazis did attempt to solve "problems" -- some may debate whether there was enough "decency" in the Nazis '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although i don't know if there's any embodiments of pure good or pure evil on earth, relatively speaking the people who fit the words usually display similar traits'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The US openly supported by Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-Shek'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so before winding up "problem-solvers" to go out a find the "final solution" to the world problems, perhaps an extended analysis of "decency" and the requirement for "decent" and "is your decency decent, or merely a convenient opinion subject to change on whim"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when someone is going to solve the world problems decently, a knowledge of "decency" may be required, and also: "do not depend upon fictitious saviours for salvation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one person won't solve the world's problems, so decency is largely irrelevent. Understanding of the problem and solutions would be of primary importance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so "looking for embodiments of pure good (or pure evil)" is folly somewhat -- seems as though looking for saviours (and demons) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people, or all people, have a inert knowledge of decency, which they grow to oppose or suppress replaced with a 'higher knowledge' in some circumstances, which pleases their job description'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or beliefs or desires etc,'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know when i'm wrong in doing something, however numb to that awareness i am sometimes, i realize eventually'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious-nutters are not decent -- they are willing to do depravities in the name of church and (false) god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Christian reinterpretation: "homosexuals are not decent -- they are willing to do depravities in the name of sex-thrills"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, may take you decades to comprehend the depths of the (atheistic antitheist) Two Great Commandments of Jesus (the Not-)Christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Jesus was asked: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt 22:36-40'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when you get to the stage of saying "i know! what decency maybe! is" from the perspective of the (atheistic antitheist) Two Great Commandments of Jesus (Not-)Christ, you may be decent and there (or you may be depraved)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'also Mark 12:33 "And that God should be loved with the whole heart and with the whole understanding and with the whole soul and with the whole strength. And to love one's neighbour as one's self is a greater thing than all holocausts and sacrifices."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'note the words "a greater thing than all holocausts and sacrifices."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''burnt offerings''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.' -- Mark 12:33'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is are several depths in meaning there -- also indicates that the mithraic sacrifice, "the crucifixion", was not required for salvation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Paul and the mithraists corrupted the original teachings of Jesus, by (Paul) adding in the pagan myth of the "crucifixion sacrifice"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'gets better though: Jesus was also a fiction '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Nooo Jesus was a warhero & like Samurai he used light armor to defeat his enemies! How can you ignore that shroud!?;('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so what is left: The Two Great Commandments (in crude form) and a few other wise Jesus teachings,  and some inept Jesus teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea well I don't see you defeating people while you wear a bathrobe!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"doubt everything" is a guide to wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'let's all google the shroud & take a look at it as if we did midevil times platemail & oriental armorments.. Just THINK OF HOW LONG IT WORKED!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'But people wear police uniforms & stuff like that & need a bullet proof vest or kevlar don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'btw, may take you a few decades to determine what the *atheistic antitheist interpretation* of the Two Great Commandments (of Jesus of the NT) is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have a general understanding of it, might be different from yours though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you must earn that wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you come up with your choice of problem to solve yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i looked at those two commandments a long while -- so many faulty misinterpretations'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"how to teach true decency"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of decency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"make clean (decent) the inside of the human, that the outside may become clean (decent)"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Matthew 6:22 "The light (and decency) of thy body is thy eye. If thy eye be single (and decent), thy whole body shall be lightsome" (reparaphrased)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is lots of atheistic antitheist wisdom in the NT gospels (and a lot of chaff)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of burning bushes in the OT'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world was corrupt when we got here though, i'm not sure any amount of inner cleanliness - as some do develop perfectionist mentalities or holier than thou complexes - would have any drastic impact on it, but not having a mind full of lies and unwarranted strife is definitely a easier way of dealing with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"inner decency" or "inner cleanliness" is not some "holier-than-others" attitude -- discard the 'tude'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"inner decency" or "inner cleanliness" is not some external principle to be lived up to -- when i get angry, some of that "decency" may disappear (hopefully not too much)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hopefully, i do not do anything bad -- but i be thinking nasty thoughts'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'externalizing that is something society does seem to excel at though, abandoning what feels correct for what appears correct, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've always held onto that distinction as my idea of 'fascism''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'from the viewpoint of the likely non-existent "God", even "fascism" is with uses'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know that, it's a utility (or a whole toolbox possibly) that appears very effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as Zaza Gabor said "at least the Nazis made the trains run on time"  -- Zaza was not too popular with some jews for that witticism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'coincidentally, moments ago i realised an extra witticism -- the trains were transporting the jews to the camps.  when i first heard that, i merely thought "hmm, train punctuality", and not about what some of those trains were carrying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'why mention the above: when looking at world problems, everything must be analysed without too many taboos -- note thqat even the bad things of history may've resulted in good things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if not for a lot of bad things, i'd not exist in this here body'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'horrid wars spurred a lot of modern technologies -- were those technologies possible wihout wars - perhaps - in a different world with more "decency"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'sometimes i contemplate "what would the world be like without WWI and WWII" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Well, as bad as the bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki were, and as much as I disagree with the necessity of that action, there haven't been any nuclear weapons used since.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and if there is a god, was WWI and WWII required'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before it all was more 'real' people with more peaceful lifestyles who's main problems were survival oriented, social drama's being resolved intrapersonally instead of institutionally, larger-scale outbursts mostly halted by the non-exiled approach to living that they had - is what i'd expect, now basically everybody's assimilated into a uniculture exoskeleton under which they're mutually exclusive of being the meat on the bones that guide the social muscles for or against certain parts of the body, which is too large and cumbersome to take care of them all :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"so if that was the answer, what was the question"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"uniculture exoskeleton" - unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, culture hasn't merged. Values are not uniform across populations. The problem is that states are still attempting to make one size fits all laws for huge territories, and  then acting surprised when it results in "gridlock".'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think back to times that aren't even recorded in history and try to see what kind of a grouping people would naturally become and how they would naturally solve problems and things like that, electing kings and things like that probably wasn't the earliest social construct around, but some kind of a guide probably was, not essentially immune to the collaberation of his tribe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think diversity's a good thing, multiple nations and things like that, that's alright - especially if they're actual individuals who respect eachother's individuality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems that mostly people in charge of one place use it's resources to please somebody in another or to consume another'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that doesn't seem right to me, some call it their religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think even 'nationalism' is considered a threat in most literature, but why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand the extremes and all, but people just wanting to retain some sovereign 'grouping', what's wrong with that if it's not trying to assimilate you into itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Nation states never respect individuality, though. You can be an "individual" until you refuse to follow one of the laws or pay taxes, and then you're put in jail or forced to leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tendancy is more specifity on rules, regulations and laws. Everyone is being forced to be good conforming collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'I know it's argued that there can be some kind of democratic input that makes "the law" equivalent to "the will of the people", but it doesn't actually work out that cleanly. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep taking a vote on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, nation is greater than a single member, to serve the nation etc, if the nation's an equal opportunity grouping of equals who share the burden that their leader participates in, then it's less of that no respect for individuality and more of that tribal concept i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Personally I think things should be handled in this order: individual, then family, then community, and then way down the list, maybe not even on the list at all....national governments.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'understanding things together etc, much stronger than separating the duties of management and cooperation irrevocably - although there'll always be need for architect and scientist and doctor and not everybody would be apt enough to be those things, or even want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Right, but you could have all of that organization and collaboration without the force and the threat of violence that the state brings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'You don't have to point guns at anyone to tell them to eat food or have sex. Some things people just do naturally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i think too - but being in control is something people love and see as survival of themselves guaranteed, instead of being another expendable which is a risk taken by lowering themselves down to the level of everybody else - alot of who harbour a dominant personality and would try to replace them on the podium if they tried (as they probably expect) which wouldn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, definitely. We call those people sociopaths, and they're the ones most likely to run for political office.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'The answer has to involve the dispersion of power. It's like if you created the most powerful gun in the world, the people that love to manipulate and control others are going to do whatever it takes to get their finger on the trigger.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen the world, and alot of it appears highly unlikely to be by design of somebody who doesn't already have his finger on the trigger'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it might be, i know people can be pretty corrupt judging from my own mind, and what i don't act on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Well, the proverbial gun already exists in every part of the world. Now we're just fighting over who gets to use it and who to point it at.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'The vast majority of the world's population has been conditioned to believe that violence is okay, as long as the person being violent is wearing a uniform or a badge, or as long as some legislation was passed that says it's okay.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i've always been weary of authority figures, although i do see that some are pretty fair individuals - i'm also aware of how authority is abused'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've heard tales of places where the law is the only criminals around, and people can't go to anybody but trying to be criminals to protect themselves from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's rather disgusting, but something ordinary to people, accepted by force'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the answer is "through the people, and what are the people to be educated with in terms of knowledge" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably any cop would take his orders and arrest whoever they're told to arrest, without verifying the claims on the warrant or the destination of the prisoner - as long as it comes from a superior authority they conclude their service'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter what kind of a person that may be, where they go or anything like that, it's a problem with that non-community based inter/independence that i see - but something useful to that podium system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, which is why I roll my eyes whenever someone justifies their (or someone else's) actions with "I was just following orders" or "They were just doing their job"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'A lot of Nazi soldiers were just following orders, but we don't make excuses for them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'precisely'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/257410-mass-genocide-last-100-years-incl-holocaust-on-6-million-jews-13.html this is creepy with the image on Sallow's post (the wolf) -> there's a saying in a boy scouts manual i was reading awhile back goes along the lines of 'Always trusting the Old Wolf' -> with the faceless chain of command in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'maaaan, psalm 109 is awesome.. looks like some people like century old curses to live in.. read the whole thing.. don't break into small paragraphs all the time..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'claims david spoke of oblivion as I did'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'but the wording is "Land of forgetfulness"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I don't even study this thing.. I just spur of the moment come upon it as if it was meant to be...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I never wrote in a bible & never will highlight with loud color marker'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'And so I once heard a sicilian say in a mobster movie known as the american classic "Mobsters" (The Jews will betray you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'here's somethin else strange'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'in my gideon copy.. the beginnin of that psalm starts on page "666"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 officials supposedly out of jobs because of bludners in the run up to the Benghazi attack remain on the State Department payroll and will be back to work soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to sake a look at this: http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else think Marco Rubio should be banned from politics?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '25 coneshaped skulls were found in mexico, but they wont reveal the photos, because they don't want people to see how large the brain cavity is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crystal skulls, or just heads deformed via years of ritual?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They say it was ritual, but they still wont release the photos to prove it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suspect the brain cavities are larger than a humans, and they are afraid it might push more people into thinking of aliens.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why worry about people worrying about that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, I think it is just crap anyways, but who knows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good sign that it's crap'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the skulls are over 1000 years ago and the govt says they are hispanic...but I don't think hispanic people were there 1000 years ago. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were real, they'd be plugging them for all they were worth for tourism and media coverage'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have always wondered if you could have an economy completely based on govt related jobs.  Everyone worked for the govt in some form or another.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Boeing E-4 Advanced Airborne Command Post is a damn cool jet.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To create the E-4 series, four Boeing 747-200 airframes were specially modified to serve as a survivable mobile command post for the National Command Authority, namely the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, and successors.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder what they mean by survive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I also wonder why they don't build survivable airframes for the paying customers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/22/california-ban-gay-therapy-blocked Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, which helped fight for the law's passage, said the measure's supporters shouldn't read too much into Friday's order.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess ome people in california were trying to start up a program where homosexuality is attemptedly psychologically overcome, and it was seen as a crime by the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see the harm in it though, as long as it's not perverted or torturous, seems like a option people should be able to have to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'experimental' deemed quackery by the professional mental health community, which agrees with the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, apparently some people got benefit from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''i think my x is gay, i don't know what to do?  i don't want them to be x' well, it's not so bad see, you just have to accept what you cannot change, it's natural - as our law against attempting to give you a option expresses'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's not perfect of course, i understand that 'quack psychology', but as long as it's not overly demeaning i wouldn't see the harm in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unfortunately, powers beyond justice or logic seem to be the professionals in the world, and no public deliberation will take place'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like the south park talent agency '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read conspiracy's before of a certain demographic's attempt to homosexualize and eradicate entire civilizations using psychology among other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i must admit, seeing things like that makes me wonder just how much of a lie they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'People often ask me, in terms of my argument about "ten steps" that mark the descent to a police state or closed society, at what stage we are. I am sorry to say that with the importation of what will be tens of thousands of drones, by both US military and by commercial interests, into US airspace, with a specific mandate to engage in surveillance and with the capacity for weaponization  which is due to begin in earnest at the start of the new year  it means that the police state is now officially here. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think, they making that up?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57409759/drone-use-in-the-u.s-raises-privacy-concerns/  Unmanned aerial vehicles, a key weapon in the hunt for terrorists overseas, are coming to America. In February, President Barack Obama signed a bill that opens U.S. airspace to thousands of these unmanned aircraft. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'for some arbitrary definition of terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Domestic drone use is here, and the meshing has begun: local cops in Grand Forks, North Dakota called in a DHS Predator drone  the same make that has caused hundreds of civilian casualties in Pakistan  over a dispute involving a herd of cattle. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'As one of my readers put it, the scary thing about this new arrangement is deniability: bad things done to citizens by drones can be denied by private interests  "Oh, that must have been an LAPD drone"  and LAPD can insist that it must have been a private industry drone. For where, of course, will be the accountability from citizens buzzed or worse by these things? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen it all coming years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'good. there's no fundamental difference between a manned machine and an unmanned machine'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'aside from the mannededness'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming it's not propaganda or lies'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just read it on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's not lies, but it's also not meaningfully bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, no fundamental difference between a microchip built in your own country and one built in somebody elses either'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, here i have a room with 10,000 screens and a joystick'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you can worry about privacy and spying, but worrying about the method used is ridiculous'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'time for some computer glitches to be worked out of the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as a concern that's the kind of a thing i see anyways, 'plausible deniability' etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have reasons to look back on the nazi's and other governments that opposed these here new ones with a unbiased inquiry'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were the enemies of this corruption, what kind of a corruption were they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.' -- Mark 3:25'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also seen some similarities in the appealing to the masses propaganda, it's almost like it's written by the same authors'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, if that's how it transpires i won't be kneeling down in a single file line beside a pit and taking a bullet in the bakc of the head like in the ww2 photo's'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if drone's start to bomb people they'll tear down their antenna stations and limit their communicability or devise a way to shoot their satellites out of orbit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. -- Isaiah 14:15'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellers there is safety. -- Proverbs 24:6 (hence why there's so many of them advisors advising your government, safety for them, not for you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pearl harbour etc, mobilization - it's interesting conspiracy research papers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was 'the man' who deceived (weaken) the nations?  'How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!' -- Isaiah 14:12'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting wording anyways, -> 'All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.  But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.' Is 14'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kings 'lie' in glory, and lucifer 'is this the man who weakened (lied to) the nations?''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't claim lucifer was lying outright, but it does state the kings were - who would be the ones sending people into their death here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Germany now deporting elderly people to east asia/europe and possibly across the ocean to care facilities to 'save money' - while bill gates mentions 'death panels' as a way to save money for education, with the elderly among those chosen to die - however honest he was being'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/125193-2012-12-26-germany-deporting-elderly-to-foreign-retirement-homes.htm voila http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrJBY2l1MQQ '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but don't worry, it was a misinterpretation or a hoax, nothing to worry about in 'explaination pending' i'll continue to be a docile flockling'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's safety in serendipity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Youll never get a clue whats being done to, and within, this country from the complicit mainstream media. But a KGB expert who defected to the good guys was explaining it for us back in the 80s. Yuri Bezmenov tried to warn us: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage One: Demoralization  Elimination of American Exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia. Peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National history is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Two: Crisis  Creation of economic, financial, and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and breakdown of previous self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. Cloward Piven approach to overloading the system, ie more takers than producers. The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver things (Hope and Change) to meet peoples needs through Social and Economic Justice. False illusions that the situation is under control if certain strategic directions are followed (Bailouts, Stimulus, Jobs Bills, Regulations of industry, Unconstitutional Power Grabs, Dismissal of Historical Laws, Changes in legislative processes, Changes in checks and balances of power etc). http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Three: Normalization  The uncomfortable feelings of change including losses of freedom are absorbed and accepted. Lost national identity becomes accepted as the norm within the new societal model. A period of national rebranding transition where people are so overwhelmed by the change they become numb and begin to accept a new normal. This period of normalization lasts indefinitely as the progression is continually advanced and acceptance takes place in small controlled doses. (New limits on behavior, Regulations, TSA Patdowns, Intrusions into privacy, Controls into daily life) These things begin to be accepted as just the way it is now.. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Four: Destabilization  Unlike the period of Crisis the people who helped orchestrate the change are now no longer needed. The new overarching centralized governmental model begins to take control. Leftist usurpers who initially thought they were going to be part of the new power structure begin to realize they were used and manipulated and they themselves become the new enemy. Because they have first hand knowledge of the agenda they are the primary target for elimination. They may simply be disregarded, obfuscated, thrown out, or they may be collected, imprisoned, or worse killed. There is no longer room for dissention. Dissent is only possible within the free system that has now been deconstructed. Therefore the leftist purpose is served once the destabilization is complete. Totalitarian Government takes control http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"The one thing that actually works, state run communism a bit may not be your cup of tea, but their government works," he added.  http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-job-council-chairman-jeffrey-immelt-state-run-communism-works-china Appearing on Bloomberg television Monday evening, GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt praised the Chinese economic system and said that state-run communism works in China, the Washington Free Beacon reported.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of weird isn't it, conspiracy from the 1980's like that, i guess they was just predicting inevitable things that would happen without any intervention though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there can be seen any tangents to reality in it, depends how you see things i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'what government most closely resembles that of the star trek next gen government. "'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'that is the government I want'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, none of them, too arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the romulans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a communist state, but no real communist state has ever existed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'in ST and TNG...how did they make it so all the lazy people actually wanted to work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slave colonies were on alien planets liberated by the fleet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think they got rid of money and replaced it with the desire to accumulate respect and honor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a nice idea. Never gonna work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but that doesnt change the fact that a lot of people perfer handouts rather than actually doing work'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it worked before the international roman empire though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back before charlamagne herded up the ancestors in concentration camps and taught them the salvation of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'it seemed like everyone did their job cuz thats what you had to do...just never find that huge human flaw'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much everyone at work, my relatives etc has been sick over the holidays. I've managed to dodge it so far... maybe it's the extra vitamin D I've been taking.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'It also might have something to do with people living SO much longer now and having kids so much later... so much time to kill...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they lived 950 years in the days of methusaleh bible story'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But have you been taking vitamin D. At least here in sweden, 80% of people are deficient over the winter.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but they also had to deal with talking bushes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis again'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mumble'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had more interactive hands on self-governing autonomous lifestyles then though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well, limited communication and travel speed will cause that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even that shangrila place existed in china at one time, they weren't always a bossy bunch of slavewhipping warmasters'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that got assimilated into the progress of their civilization, along with some peaceful people i read about being eradicated by genghis khan back then for not going to war for him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nepal i think it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, people weren't always as rotten as this'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but rotten is really the problem...its the fact that people will always try to do the least amount of work possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'ppl will try to lie cheat and steal to get things rather than doing what is good for all man kind.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  there's a job worth 8 hours of your day for 50 years in increasing competition against the people who want it in the automated world, which could have been distributed among 1000 times as many people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'If you could detect someones motivation levels in the womb just after conception, you could always abort them and create a perfect, boring society'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doing as little work as possible, sharing the burden etc, that's not cost effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we got machines for that now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's a more relaxed version of progress that is superior in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'sharing the burden is an efficient way of doing things. i'm saying when people are not looking to be efficient but rather reap the most beneifits for themselves before the greater good'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'why anyone with a red shirt would ever beam down onto the planet...when you knew you'd die. but you just did it cuz thats what you gotta do'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'now thats communism for ya'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'societies are communistic by definition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '"trouble below, better send the captain, first officer, chief medical officer and first navigator'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think what's needed are the men in white suits with the butterfly nets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the end is death whether or not they beamed down for the people down there, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'well only for the guy in red'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or are you gonna win the raffle draw heaven entrance, take a gamble, have lots of bastards, 27 million or more and at least one of you will survive on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although heaven resembles hell'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing nature as god created it in the perfect dimensions of new jerusalem mentioned in book of revelation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I'll probably, someday, just close my eyes and sleep forever. It'll be great. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...or die in some horrible accident, I guess that is the alternative...'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than 1 in 3 kids in America live with only 1 parent'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'single parents or divorcees?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'single parents'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy, the state certainly did a number on the family, didn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing happened with church, destroy all old-fashioned ethics and morals in society, and replace with government-controlled mass media'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, you guys are ok, you've got Obama as daddy and Holdren as mommy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, they've release a LGBT-friendly version of the bible called the "Queen James Bible"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like your holy text? rewrite it. After all, that's what all religions have done since the inception of religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was 1Cor6:9-10 translated in the QJV '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably rewritten to include man on man action'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably involved Jesus and Matthew wearing gimp suits'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'specifically the section of 1Cor6:10  "Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind ..."'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people are awfully choosy with the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some folk like a fire and brimstone flavor to the scriptures'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and lots of condemnation, and casting of unrepentent sinners into the lake of fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'netflix sucks....they need to spend their money on buying license rights to large movie company libraries instead of crap on showtime or stars.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I'm dreaming of a white donkey.......'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''female equality' in islam (not looking at indonesians in americarabia) Iran sacks sole female minister Dastjerdi from health post http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20853142 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto , it's not surprising though since women are subhumans in the bible that they'd be subhumans in real life too, squeezing out the children of god with penises'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're subhuman in all countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they have been screwed over in the west by feminism'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was female i'd go and get raped by everybody i hate and then mutilate my babies haha, that'd teach em'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and Chemosh is cast into the lake of fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just kidding, maternal instinct's too strong for craziness like that, i was raised on horror movies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'kidding like that may get you in serious trouble irl -- fortunately the internet is anonymous (unless the authorities are watching)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, that's a serious trouble kidding how?  starling talking about baking loaves'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might think you were talking about gassing jews'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can guarantee you i can find over 10 million instances of more offensive 'kiddings' that're released by people/companies in the authority's land'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews killed jesus :('
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the bread, he rose again'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maternal instincts are not that strong -- the "Discovery Investigation" channel features actual crime stories of humans at their depraved'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of yeast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  well, maybe not always - but how come jason vorhees and michael myers and john wayne gacy all seem to have been linked?  to evil clowns and 2 victims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there on your ethical highhorse, you should know what is socially acceptable 'x-rated' entertainment context, especially when including the gacy inspiration in hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they leave out of the movies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about 'serious trouble' the man in new york city who had a cannibal supper in his fridge, which was pretty familiar to the albert fish the movie grayman is about, which was possibly viewed by the cannibal '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they's inspired by something entertaining that wasn't an 'occupy protest' fbi 1920 broadway musical'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not responsible for people who can't take a joke, any more than the mass-media is for being one - they're alot more guilty than me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least mine include some explaination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in terms of freedom of incorrect speech:  England << Canada << USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok until the secret service turn up and section you for badmouthing obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'political correctness, appeal to emotion, 'distinct fascism' (do you appear correct or feel correct?), useful idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is all very well, but in short order, they'll be the only ones with guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the kind of stupidity that survived world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those that produce films and tvshows are likely advised by lawyers as to what is permissible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with lots of money comes lots of freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they're advised by lobbiests who promote the pornography industry in light of prostitution and things like job opportunities paying for education degrees in the ghetto (in the film 'a unfinished film' begs the question, why is it unfinished?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as it says in proverbs about having many political advisors is safety, for who's foreign god?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can shove their money up their hypocrite asses, i respect their authority as much as a hole in the head'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a good christian thing to 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you', i'd never be that arrogant so i guess i'm an experiment'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel has enough oil and gas underneath it to last 2000 years with no imports.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that doesnt even include the offshore oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that christian motto is either defective or badly stated'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada did too, but canada's not very sovereign like war veterans fought for the freedom of'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the nazi's are coming' - the reich never has and never will have any interest in the west - adolf declares war on poland speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, the communists did come..'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got that much right'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'boring and irrelevant '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''tomorrow never dies' 100 year media contracts in china!'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting movie theme isn't it, propaganda like 'syria danny''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he lives in england i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they have that grey haired reporter keeping them honest television program'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the Nazis wanted oil, they should've went through North Africa from the get go -- and invaded and taken England while England was weak'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, kind of funny like the characters on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the obvious ethnicity of some of them has to make you wonder too, bolshevik communist parties'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi's owned the cannibal 'mafia island' until 1915, (germans did rather)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have stopped eating eachother while they were there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'progress set them back on their course though'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''who rewrites history' and why are there laws against 'questioning history'?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer In 1949, at the first post-war German Historians' Congress in Munich, Fischer strongly criticized the Lutheran tradition in German life, accusing the Lutheran church of glorifying the state at the expense of individual liberties and thus helping to bring about Nazi Germany.[3] Fischer complained that the Lutheran church had for too long glorified the state as a divinely sanctioned institution that could do no wrong, and thus paved the way for National Socialism.[4] Fischer rejected the then popular argument in Germany that Nazi Germany had been the result of the Treaty of Versailles, and instead argued that the origins of Nazi Germany predated 1914, and were the result of long-standing ambitions of the German power elite.[1]'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In the 1950s, Fischer was the first historian who examined all of the Imperial German government archives in their entirety and as a result, as the American Klaus Epstein noted when Fischer published his findings in 1961, he instantly rendered obsolete every book previously published on the subject of responsibility for the First World War, and German aims in that war'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see alot of catholic meddling in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Fritz Fischer is obviously on the fritz and kaput'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be interesting to see who his colleagues were and what kind of works they produced'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Fischer is jewish name, and thus Fischer is biased and to be trusted'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'epstein had a wife from russia though from what i see in 'histiography''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Werner_Epstein'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Klaus Epstein sounds extremely biased and blatant antinazi-nutter -- unless Chemosh is perverse-paraphrasing what Fischer and Epstein actually said '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'extremely bad biased logic there by Fischer and Epstein'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just interested in how come it's illegal to question history, who the people were who (re)wrote it and what is their agenda'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen some common ground there though like you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein is one of the oldest Jewish family names in the Slavic countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more likely though, Chemosh is misquoting Fischer and Epstein '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't misquote them from somebody elses misquotes, that's quoting somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the wikipedia webpages'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they include a bibliography at the bottom/reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if Chemosh is accurately quoting Fischer and Epstein, then Fischer and Epstein are a disgrace to academia'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ah, the Wikipedia pages on Nazis and Germany are badly biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela suspects that the founder of Wikipedia is jewish
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'bibliographies are not necessarily honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Christian-nutters were previously caught at being dishonest with errored bibliographical references when attempting to support "creationism" and or "intelligent design"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can theorize either to be possible using philosophy from other religions, like the process you take to build the dreams you have being mysterious'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's not rooted in material reality and therefor not absolutely known to be fact as stated in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is a lot of blatant dishonesty in some religious and controversial topics, especially in references and bibliographies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Obama-haters are deliberately dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hate obama, i think it's good to dispel amnesia regarding who somebody is when somebody's in control of vast swathes of life though, and if explaination to inquiry isn't prominent then you end up with people like you, not providing reasons why not instead focusing on the inability of others to see what you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that most things can be explained on earth though, people who violently suppress opponents reached that place where they know they're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because common sense can defeat fascism in alot of 'appeals' '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or truth rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate obama, i'm not dishonest, deliberately or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like those two books that were never written, 'reasoning with rabies' and 'the death of reason' laws against history or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fail to see how people can't 'liken' some powerful people to rabid animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Zela into action!
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'presenting an unbiased view on some topics may be seen as illegal in Canada, so nope, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not afraid of going to prison for my opinion, the people sending me there are just doing their jobs for a master who thinks of them as nothing but pawns - and if they don't see that then i have right to defend myself against the enemy who becomes clearer every day - mocking human life might have been ok in ancient rome but this is supposed to be a civilized nation'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of people locked up in gulag death camps for 7 years, and not testifying to what they did not do'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, i'm aware what kind of people run this place'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Fischer criticises the nationalistic Lutherns -- Fischer likely did not criticise the nationalistic Zionists -- a biased double-standard'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately i'm not in Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts, you said that England was even more censorship-muzzle-happy than the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only nationalist zionists, but also against the old testament, 'worshipping foreign gods, multitude of advisors, xploitation of the poor (intellectually or otherwise)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you expect everywhere is called israel or arabia and worship of jehovah and allah is in accordance with the old testament everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'USAmericans are permitted to be more homophobic than Canadians'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and those advisors who advise your government aren't serving a foreign land'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is an USAmerican?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'criticising the christian old testament is okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Quelz, you certainly do not represent USAmericans'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sheesh, we can't even get a $14 billion natgas pipeline built in Alaska, and here is Russia finishing up a $25 billion pipeline in Siberia to provide oil and gas to japan, philipines, and other asian nations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stop saying USAmericans please... it doesnt make sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'wise USAmericans are more likely to prefer to keep that natgas in the ground for later years'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know what other proof is required, but i'll keep on finding it most likely, reason why i never condemned germany absolutely as a victorious eradication, seeing how this corrupt world of lies of the enemy united against them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they likely had their caveats too, like any country - earlier than the nazi's was another germany too - i wonder about them sometimes, but even then there's likely some intellectually eradicated nations of higher rationality which were exterminated since then and before then'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the north slope of Alaska has enough natgas and oil to provide the use with 20% of its oil needs for at least 100 years, by then we will be using fusion power.....might as well tap the resources now before they become worthless.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they're still standing, they had their brains removed/infiltrated and replaced'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'USA that is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'fusionpower is currently a myth or folklore or scifi'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, that is why the $12 billion fusion power test plant is being built in Europe, because it is scifi myth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in the future fusion miniplants appear in our pockets by themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the scifi tvseries "Eureka" uses deliberately unbelievable Faux-science and is extremely bad-viewing for children and immature uneducated adults'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Warehouse-13 is also ludictous science-fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power makes logical sense, but americans are afraid of everything, so chances are it wont be expanded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world nations likes people to think themselves expendable nothings using selfishness as justification for their abuse and extermination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'quit being selfish, you're hindering progress in your extermination complaints'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gospel even goes so far as to inform the god-forsaken readers of apple-sin that 'god has set the rulers of your land on their high places' as does hinduism inform corollery (smrti) 'a fool' hates his leader, while at the same time the 'fool' deals kindly with his enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'fusionpower is also likely to produce radioactive waste'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how stupid is that?  utterly stupid, but at least they show the contrary, 'serve none but god alone''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh seems to be suffering from religious-beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, i'm showing religious exploitation, and how to refute it through the very religions it comes from'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing godly about alot of the things included in them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless god's the king's who weren't lucifer in the book of isaiah, who were stated to be liars in the text itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Chemosh no longer suffering from the delusion that the Bible is the inspired word of some "god" '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it might be, but i seen alot of evidence that it's a human conspiracy too'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm picking out the methodology and tactics used by the enemy and seeing if that's what they really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hinduism and the bible (smrti) of hinduism / bible at any rate, being almost identical in concept (hypocritical/contrarian, yet self condemning) 'akin' to the selfish victims of the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shows that both religions had similar precepts in those particular verses of slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's a common infiltrator of ancient texts in both india and israel (as old as they really are)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'likely'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's motives (in the smrti) were to do like i'm saying about the justification of selfishness (to me)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religiously though, making holy the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was referred to in a couple places there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, gotta figure out when those books were actually invented, who the governments were at the time, which government's influenced which others'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like rome or britain (which was once part of rome)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ancient bibles were political stories containing fictional mythologies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'egypt was a little earlier, but somewhere they had their origins, a philosophy of government control of the masses'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which was added to religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 years ago, the US imported 96% of its natgas....now it imports only 22%, and from Canada.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'china might have books from 1500-2000 bc stored in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they probably know the 'deception is the art of war' of the situation better than most, unless they were pillaged entirely sometime since then'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wrote the Art of War.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You should update it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'did you also find the fountain of youth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the Art of War II bombed in the theatres.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pretty sure art of war 2 and 3 were straight to dvd/cable, no theatres'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one that really resembles slave-rome -> 'Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ' -> interesting isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my point exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rewritten -> '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't bomb in theatres when you're not released in them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rewritten -> Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure you can.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was released in a church theatre, but no one showed up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there they're invalidating christ himself, since they're saying their devil-master is to be treated as christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so very religious isn't it?  but that's what people have in their thoughts preventing them from doing what should be done'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 'just as you would obey Christ' is a tricky one'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like Paul's writings on husband/wife relationships'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If someone only gives orders when necessary, and always gives perfect orders, obedience isn't such a terrible burden'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well yes, it's not. The problem is that it sort of sets up the husbands as infallible, God-like figures whose every whim is to be obeyed as if it were graven on stone by a deity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shouldn't it be that way ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Paul also holds husbands to the standard of Christ (ie. perfection)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one of the most obvious hypocrisy of all -> (Matthew 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do know some people who have a relationship like that and are very happy. I also know others who have left a relationship like that after being terribly unhappy for years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even according to their own book they in the open defy the bible, you can find catholic and other justification articles on this subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. -- Matthew 6:6'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Assuming a reasonable interpretation of the overall texts, there won't be much left to complain about, as far as I can see.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does that resemble islam and most bible-churches on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, 'avoid vain repetitions' hypocrisy included'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not as though Jesus goes around giving orders about what we're supposed to have for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Matthew 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you don't even have to look in the world for hypocrisy on this one'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Matthew 6:9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'repeat repeat repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Chemosh ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nevereven minding the hypocrisy in the world, it's right in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only defend the non-malevolent nature of christianity as a religion, compared to others which sever limbs, demand taxes from france and crucify unbelievers'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of a set of truth it has, that's mostly pick and choose what seems 'heavenly knowledge' and what is worldly to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even the sexist bishop -> http://news.yahoo.com/calif-catholic-bishop-resigns-says-2-kids-145729758.html here's a married catholic bishop, fired for being married -> but every single version of the gospel i read says a bishop is a priest with a wife'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kiddie fondlers are pretty common though aren't they?  interesting group of people they are, like the lutheran conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The Catholic Church does have some beliefs and practices that you'd be hard pressed to locate in your Bible :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's impossible that those churches represent other than satan's mockery of the stupid (or rather, the kings who lied while lucifer didn't in isaiah)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their ignorant fear of eternal damnation'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sadly that is true for pretty much any denomination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or beyond the forever, their worldly gain connections made through the church'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what's it say about kiddie fondlers in the gospel they represent? -> (Luke 17:2) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'endless hypocrisy, from a book that includes in itself alot of contradictions to it's own claims'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before even being taught in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but.. that's that benevolent defense, i agree with that and islam believes in christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they say'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't justify their crucifixion dismemberment slave culture either - that you see on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a matter of separating the religion from the world '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see more media in canada about a quebec nazi the kgb (trustworthy) provided evidence against for the b'nai b'rith in canada for burning down a barn, which a scribe was there to record naturally, for 'future generations' - than the islamic people actually doing that today and yesterday and the yesterday before'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen how they handle information there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '0 mention at all of the phillipeans in western media, and their islamic murder of 100,000 unbelievers as they created their new breakaway state there, in their land of immigration'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, they're quick to judge the jehovah's witness 'college religion' of the early 1900's(1920's) but not too quick to point out the rewritten quran released in egypt in the 1926'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to some claims i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1920 = invention of muslim brotherhood, now in egypt'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'libya/soon syria ? and other places'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the jewish media missed this man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini they care so much about antisemitism'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come none of your doomsday prophet cults discovered genesis 9:11, mandatory circumcision from 1960-1990 (or so) and revelation 17:15?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting mixture isn't it?  or how come your intelligence agency added in a joke where the phone number listed on a movie about the watergate scandal belonged to 'alexander the great plumbing'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wasn't rudolf hess frome gypt too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting, and schooled by catholics in turkey says the other guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, who's in charge of it all?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, sure lots of gun crimes lately, now an accident happened where a toddler shot himself in the chest according to the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people should keep their guns away from children obviously'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly the gun's fault for not being locked up properly'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's unfortunate things like that happen, but also unfortunate that they're not better parents'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no legislating against stupid people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there has been in the past, who defines stupid usually relies on people taking orders they don't understand (which is fascism/stupidity) to enact their judgement though'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'eugenics of retards is a mensa fabian socialism antiquity after hunting for witches and demons'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no fabian society, you must be a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter if they're retarded or not, as long as some people get exterminated is population control, like the religious view of 'unbeliever/infidel' and the eugenicists view of 'subhuman/liability''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'both are tools to the same end, and that's what their master uses them for'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all fairly stupid though, For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taken in certain contexts can be an applicable concept to non-religious systems as well as religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook is purging accounts that carry pro-second ammendment and pro-libery information'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'any proof tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/c78flgk'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new story about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'rofl, except its on Infowars'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that The River Styx person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'considerably more reliable than CNN'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'hahahahahaa'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just looked at cnn. It's l'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'loaded with anti-gun articles'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, government media'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not to mention its not purging 'pro-second amendment' accounts, it purged a select few accounts of radical political activists that were probably making over the top and asinine statements via facebook.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? many of those mentioned in the article are mainline journo's'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and thats even IF they really got purged.  Talk about agenda sponsored journalism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ever noticed how stupid the people on the news are and treat subjects?  consider the interview earlier for instance, the media defense of publishing people's information being 'irrespective pursual of immediate issues awareness' or something like that, but where's phillipeans or other 'irrespective' deliberations on the media?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there they have an arguement against the media's ability to freely pursue topics, while already they were censored'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that particular 'freedom' was pretty controversial i suspect - i see on google though there is quite a few sites of 2nd amendment on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you bother to read the article it's about blocks being placed due to content'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means facebook now find pro-2nd ammendment topics objectionable'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook almost certainly use a similar filtration system to Youtube, which means it doesn't consider context'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty well documented that Facebook is merely a handy information collection point for the NSA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it shouldn't be surprising that they tailor their terms and conditions according to the agenda of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's all public information. Don't put out what you don't want them to find'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there's no problem with the gov't looking at public info'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that includes private posts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well that's different'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen news reports of government funded 'bots' adding themselves to peoples friend lists, and then facebook getting off the hook for breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no such thing as private posts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to them it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they didn't see it neccessary to inform which facebook people had government-sponsored bot friends on their pages'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'They are owned by Facebook, they aren't private, and people who assume they are are idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally won't use it, but people see it as a public platform'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people/users*'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but with their policy of 'plausible deniability' the government does (as far as i could see) every crime you can think of'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and even if they did it openly, the court is the government and wouldn't take itself to court - as jesus says 'a house divided against itself, how shall it stand?' one communist there?  or suspect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says the entire hierarchy of control'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i seen about it anyways - it was all official media, not all conspiracy infowars'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what my opinion's based on'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of luck you'll see Facebook tank in a year ot so'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no such thing as "official media"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you happen to live in North KOrea'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly China'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no?  state-media is present in china and all kinds of places, sometimes it's even more honest than non-state media, where they don't have to hide'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but being politically correct is a requirement in any western media outlet, certain issues are untouchable unless promoting a certain bias'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does not make it "official media"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially in the news, which actually influences people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my national news has to be decoded through political bias prisms, if i want foreign news I have to go to foreign media, since nothing outside the UK really gets on UK news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, pops saw my university on the bbc when some lunatic shot it up :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they love anti-gun stories here, props up the myth that gun control has brought down violent crime... (when it hasn't)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise you see very very little news coverage of attrocities and bombings in countries where we've helped American blow up innocent brown people, such as Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. No idea why they'd want to keep that quiet'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guessing gets their attention though doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they have nothing to hide they wouldn't be threatening people who wonder if they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'truth versus lies , lies only win when stupidity is exalted'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN hire foreign criminals and fire journalists for reporting on the brutality of the Bahraini government on protestors'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is central african republic the place where they lay down their guns as long as france gives them free money?  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/protesters-target-french-embassy-in-central-african-republic-8431788.html  A smaller group of protesters, mainly youths linked to the ruling party, gathered outside the U.S. Embassy and stoned cars carrying white passengers, the reporter said.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://ca.news.yahoo.com/anti-rebel-protestors-attack-french-embassy-central-african-143503013.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read something about, agreeing to lay down arms as long as they get free money, otherwise they're 'open to dialogue' while doing this here stuff - it's basically paying your enemy to not kill people - from what i could gather'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'islams and black nationalists on the rise, it's a funny situation for liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed that you never heard a whiff of the philipeans on the western media, 100,000 'unbelievers' murdered by their islam immigrants, who have no developed a new country in the south of the (phillipeans)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they were 'open to dialogue' while not receiving their taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i see in it anyways, eventual slavery/communism death camps etc, just because of how maleable society conforms to hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also sheds light on the bbc article of last year, about the harm to befall (strained relations) europe if charity's don't continue sending their charity money'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's where most of it almost guaranteed goes, to those racist / religious devils and other communist developments'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they reinvest it in the corruption of your soceity, how your good intentions are utilized monetarily'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like china's doing in parts of canada, usurping the population '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i consider it communist-like, although it might just be a more sustainable conquering strategy older than any of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if ever in history was justification for extermination, it's never so present as it is today - in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'notice the same strategy employed on the preacher in florida in the mass-media, which seems to support people like in CAR, if you burn our holiest of lord book we will burn down churches, slaughter and rape unbelievers and crucify people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so naturally, america doles out it's freedom 'mafia tax' to the black nationalist islam communist party instead of telling them to shove it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course they don't show with the preacher's condemnation the phillipeans, 100,000 murdered and raped unbelievers of death-camp communist black nationlism islam'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the new country their 'dialogue' resulted in, the peaceful islams offering a solution for these deviant terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, they do that anyways?  really, so i guess burning books is just a excuse'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from that you can see what the end of submission will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you 'remove the banana's from your ears''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but keep on protecting saudi arabia's oil and all that, more important problems there than survival'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''what's the strategy' i'm missing that results in anything beneficial?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''they're untouchable' African Mafia branching out across Canada  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eMHEOy2db8'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we know they're criminals but we just don't have any proof, let them spread this untouchable, (what's the name of that african mafia)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stupid liberal shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i forget the name of this one african mafia though, it had connections to alot of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you know it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fucked if i'd sell my freedom for liberalism, i prefer safety over slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's them or me, it's them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have to justify them very much to myself - but i can smell one of them from one of their race who isn't them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'notice africans and jews, 'don't criticize me your racist', both exploit white stupidity to enslave them and get away with their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what theya re, i can provide a list of their crimes that would justify the white crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'll be as racist as them, although not including those who aren't them but of their race, but inclusive if that's the way it has to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll die before i worship their claims to my life :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i'll be free, haunting their chapels'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo, a new 758 megawatt natgas power plant is has begun construction in northern Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind turbines provide 10.2 % of the power needs in Texas now, which is about 22% of the installed wind power turbines in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's pretty decent. You'd think solar would be big in texas, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the state doesnt have net metering except in the austin area.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Too bad, solar PV is pretty much at a level now where it can compete without subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can negotiate with the power company for net metering though, and they might do it, but they are not required to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in Texas the installed cost per watt is $6.10.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is still pretty expensive compared to wind and natgas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably because there isn't a lot of competition, because of lack of net metering. '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of that cost is installation, not the PV cells themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is booming here though.....the first of 2 768 megawatt plants has begun construction.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and coal has dropped by about 20% the last 5 years here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, natgas and coal is never going to be a long term solution. Solar pv and wind will be part of a long term solution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear is also expanding in Texas....the only state with the balls to build more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, nuclear can be used in the semi long term, like 10k years or so :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in the US, natgas is considered a long term solution now....ie more than 30 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would consider that short term... but I am no politician.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we currently produce more natgas then we can use right now thanks to shale gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Moore, the self propelled stomach says If you are a gun owner, you 're racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LA authorities set up guns for groceries scheme to take advantage of abject poverty'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'interesting take on things TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a voluntary buyback program'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't voluntary, they wouldn't be offering groceries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm confused'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'your last statement might need to be reworded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the gun "buyback" was mandatory, they wouldn't need to offer incentive'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, but this is voluntary therefore everyone is happy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he lives in that part of the world where the uneducated are "taken advantage of" by govts offering to educate them, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's also pretty sick to cling to guns when you can't afford groceries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's great until people start stealing guns in order to hand them in'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at it another way, if you can't afford food, you are likely to steal'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'almost guaranteed actually'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have a gun....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, it's preying on the weak, social engineering by a malevolent government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, it's preying on the weak, social engineering by a malevolent government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the free market is social engineering as well isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FM 3-39.40'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an extent'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose the crazy half of the so-called libertarians want govt to stop preying on the weak by abandoning them to their own devices. Typical.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that a bible verse? or a radio station ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being facetious on the last part :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market isn't authoritarian'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'neither is this'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are not being forced to sell you guns for food'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the "free market"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in the truest sense of the term'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is all preamble'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'someone offers you an additional choice! What awful tyranny!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'slippery slope is also a logical fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'concepts and ideas have to stand on their own merits'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's you screwed then'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun buybacks != forced disarmament'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you exist in a bubble?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope, live in the real world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then how are you not hearing the wardrums on liberal media and the proposed solutions coming out of the politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the proposed solutions are bogus and milquetoast at best'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they "might" get an assault weapons ban'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'emphasis on might'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it does not thing but makes people feel good'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some feel bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people are not internally consistent'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just twist their ideals to defend whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by the pro gun arguments, barring Iran from obtaining a nuke is foolhardy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"they will just do it another way"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plus we have a "good" guys with guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. USA w/ nukes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no mandate to barr Iran from anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what I am saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... your argument is... offering these guys a choice is tyranny or something because someone in a completely different area of influence might be thinking of doing something rather unrelated...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, they can do what they like, but it -is- manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and inter vaginal ultrasounds are not?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i -detest- social engineering by governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, offering people extra choices is cruel, sick, twisted manipulation. Alright. Backing away now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had a choice before now'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'society socially engineers everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody forced them to buy the gun in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you might have legit points on other aspects of the gun debate, this isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this is giving people incentive to do what you want = society'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing illegitimate about pointing out propoganda when you see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what THEY want, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise no one cleans shit up, or waits in line or does anything they dont want to do'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone does what society as a whole wants on average in one way or another'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its built into humanity, why do you speak english?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why did you not learn french or german or something else'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because to be accepted in your society you have to learn the language, no one told you this as a toddler'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government didn't dictate to my parents to teach me english'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but your parents never asked you either'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the comparison isn't valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they incetivised you learning english to get what you want more effectively'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't do anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they responded to your requests'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me digress, the heart of the matter is they want to reduce the amount of guns in circulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about offering tips for turning in criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that social engineering?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me rewards'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's police state, ask anyone who lived in East Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is UK, AUS, or a multitude of other countries a police state?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US might be a police state but not because they are taking away guns voluntarily'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is pretty close to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more for the highest incarceration rate in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and unchecked police powers'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is certainly a surveillance state'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Police have unchecked powers here because we have no constitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are elements of the liberal media trying to make the gun issue a race issue?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently no answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this one of those "why did you stab your own mother" type questions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a pretty simple question'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so, why did you stab your own mother? It's a simple enough question!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good answer...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't answer the question i posed, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the "racism" meme seems to pop up anywhere someone disagrees with the socialist/liberal/collectivist line'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want mandatory healthcare? you're a racist, don't want legalised gay marriage? you're a racist, don't want more gun control? you're a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear the edit-job the media did on the trayvon martin case?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must be quite a trip, living on the borderlands of fascistia and communistonia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just telling you what your media are saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax dollars are funding this!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's not like they could just ignore the fact that the dead guy was black...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, they editted together the 911 call to make it sound racist, quite deliberately'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in criminal cases they often mention the race, whether white black or purple'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, okay, I suppose all brits are murderous swine, since I heard of a murder case that one time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have media that is biased and does dodgy things too, a bunch just got arrested, one left the country to escape arrest, you might have heard of him, he's called Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must be among the minority of people who still trust corporate media, that's why it's all dying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes yes, random right wing sites are more reliable, blah blah, 911 was a setup, nasa never got to the moon...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heard all that before'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you hear what you want to hear'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tax what you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'am i the only one who things the fiscal cliff is hype?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sadly, the only thing that proves the effectiveness of reality based thinking is... reality.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perception of reality is implicitly biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as far as the fiscal cliff goes, krugman has a pretty good description of the effects...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the deficit will shrink, the economy will get worse. Not the end of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the one line summary anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound like much of a hike, to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hike?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"rise"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ah the Treyvon Martin case, the media made it sound like George Zimmerman mentioned the race on his own when the 911 operator asked... but that question was editedout of the medias's report, talk about misleading'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the only thing rising from the fiscal cliff is taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal media wanted the public to believe that the guy was shot because he was black'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax hikes aren't huge, sonshi, the budget cuts are tiny'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obviously it depends on your definition of huge...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the impact is serious, but not critical'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes tax es back to 2002 levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would not normally have a large impact'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but for the liquidity trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien waits for Sonshi's response to his comment about the Treyvon Martin case...
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be waiting a while, Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing government agenda is a conspiracy theory according to him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, yeah, new media trying to sell news, how shocking. Everytime they try to make a profit, they must obviously be partisan, blah blah blah'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're government funded, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're having trouble with that reality thing again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the right wing is in control of the govt, the media are evil corporatist liberals, when the left is in control, the media are evil govt liberals. Heard all that before...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'what gets me, is how many liberals I know are just left wing zombies... never question YOUR side, just fight the opposition.  I used to be a right wing zombie, but now I don't trust right OR left.  Queston it all!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NBC, ABC, NYT< Washington Post have all received funds from liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's MAINSTREAM MEDIA'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the same way that the BBC is inherently left wing because of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot trust mainstream media, they are there to push an agenda and make money'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, they've receive funds from liberals and have never received a cent from conservatives or socialists, yes yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'received'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their stories come from one or two aggregated news source, independant journalism in mainstream media is DEAD'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure... believe what you will, you'll probably never change your mind about that anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien offers Sonshi some BrAiNz to much on...
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're having a reality problem again, i see'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'munch*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the difference in effectiveness between our systems really should clue you in that we know what we're doing, and maybe you guys don't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"our"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country and yours...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe your country is too small to be of interest to global corporations to absorb'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gap in per capita real gdp, life expectancy, housing, poverty, education...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything you just mentioned has suffered because of socialist policy over 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, we have plenty of corporate headquarters of our own...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course you do, but since you have an environment they can use as a safe haven, they have no need to interfere'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you've got there by blaming the solution and praising the problem... I suppose you guys won't stop anytime soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your flawed opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism and fascism has killed this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to say that, but look where you guys are...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can see where us guys at and i can tell you exactly how we got here'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you blame both socialists and fascists, but you abhor liberals? What do you have left?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current crop of liberals are just closet socialists and fascists'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no true liberals left'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'don't forget zombies!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamafone!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't cure diseases by drinking poisons that kill both good and bad...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ahhhhh... what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your insistence that there are no "true liberals" left is part of the problem, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you understand how you got where you are, you not in a good position to judge the path to take in the future, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone tries to help you, and you shoot them down. And you wonder why you don't get help.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? who is trying to 'help' us?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, and you clearly don't understand how you got in the hole you are in...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully understand, thankyou'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so, tell me, what happens when you conduct fiscal austerity in a liquidity trap? Does private investment increase or decrease?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and conversely, for fiscal stimulus?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about the path now, you haven't mentioned how we got here'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's the last few years... going further back, how did your education system start to lag so far behind the top few?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it started to lag when they abolished grammar schools, destroyed apprenticeships, and tried to "equalise" academic degrees with practical and vocational subjects'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they then finished the job by abolishing streaming, micromanaging schools, teaching and curriculum, and imposing a boxticking, target-driven approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you don't understand at all. Your education system didn't get worse - the top few simply outpaced your gains, and the reforms aren't all necessarily bad, just not good enough.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these changes happened in the 1960s-1990s'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abolishing streaming, if true, is one example of a bad "reform", of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to generations of people leaving school not being about to do basic math and english, led to a 50% target of university attendance, leading to 100s of thousands of people in debt at 21 and having pointless degrees that aren't worth the paper it was written on'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it led to a degredation of standards'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but a lot of those you mentioned are not necessarily bad... they just don't cut to the heart of the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just another example of the collectivisation of everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is allowed to excel, nobody is pushed to excel, everyone must be mundane and equally shite'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, "collectivisation" would be to raise taxes to ensure that students had less debt and teachers had more pay. Which is actually... good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collectivisation doesn't only apply to taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it only applied to taxes, it would be a less toxic ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what you mentioned isn't collectivisation or anything, it's just little measures enacted in the hope of avoiding precisely such costly "collectivisation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neutering the education of the public is "just a little measure" is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, in the latest timss, it appears that not all schools tested in england had their own science lab...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need a lab to tick a box or get a certain score on a school assessment'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'You can tell that JK Rowling is from England when she wrote Harry Potter V - there is a lot of sideways glances at the UK education system there'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would, if you had a lab test like they do in countries that actually spend the resources on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but noooo, putting a lab in every school, why, that's making their facilities equal! That's communism! Oh the humanity, the red menace is back, and the liberals too! And the fascist muslim atheist gypsies in tow!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've managed to get the whole problem arse over tit, like usual'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that was perfect channeling of you, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are implying that these schools didn't have science labs. They did. It has been the collectivist policies in education that led to them being abanadoned'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and using merit based assesment for admissions, and removing non-merit based disqualifications like religion... oh, we can't have that, because it's communism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you keep using that word. i don't think it means what you think it does'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did away with merit based assessment for admissions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone had to be the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, yes, making school unequal and shifting resources to richer districts. Very collectivist I'm sure. They shouldn't have paid your english teachers peanuts...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did away with grammar schools, which were essentially highly funded elite schools whose entry was based on ability, the socialists got rid of them because they didn't like selection on ability'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were FREE'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they allowed kids from the poorest families to get a good education'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were social mobility personified'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, because socialists prefer selection based on money and inherited privilege to merit based selection. Lemme go call Socialist International, they've got it all wrong!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I could understand that you don't know the history of education in the UK, Sonshi, but you are being deliberately retarded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, it must've been the evil socialist that destroyed the socialist school system that worked so well...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm telling you isn't a matter of opinion or ideology, this is what happened in the UK between 1950 and 201'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2010*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the changes that happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think words like "socialist" and "collectivism" were used by nuts' parents to scare him as a child'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Seltsimees Dagnir for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go put your gistapo hat on and shut up, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you keep using these words but i don't think you know what they mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, all these bad things happened. Must be the socialists! Couldn't have been the conservatives who dismantled the socialist system that used to work, because that'd be nuts!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the Labour party that did away with grammar schools, that introduced tuition fees, introduced 50% target for universities, tried to equalise vocational and academic degrees'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry Sonshi, but those are just the facts'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought labour party was neo-liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the us and uk have long been well to our right...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the name was supposed to be ironic'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Labour party are centre-left, now pretend socialists basically bought and paid for by corporate interests just the same as the others, They used to be socialists'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you guys keep moving right, even after all they've managed to do to you...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in the Michael Foot era and before)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left and right combined during the 60s, 70s, and 80s to de-industrialise the Uk'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'collectivism?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't worry, if you want to sew shirts for a dollar an hour, that can be arranged in a decade or so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left us reliant on a service and finance sectors, which left us severely fragile in the face of the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you will find that re-industrialising will not be all that it's cracked up to be...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, nuts, that was done by the socialists then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm describing what brought us to where we are, sonshi, i'm not commenting on a solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was done by both, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'driving a car leaves you vulnerable if you don't know how to drive... we hanndled the crisis well in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'both? what's the other side? "the good guys"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left mismanaged the economy, oversaw hyperinflation and a IMF baleout, unions essentially bankrupted industry through resistance to mechanisation, the industries fled to Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no good guys in government, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right came in, sorted out the immediate budgetary issues, but did it by inflating the finance sector'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gave the appearance of wealth, people then got greedy and debt ridden on cheap debt and cheap Chinese imports'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides rode the gravy train throughout the 90s and 2000s'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly it was the right that did a lot on social housing in victorian times, continued by the left after ww2, but then left fucked it up in the 70s by imposing a priority housing system which ensured that all social housing estates descended into ghettos during the 70s 80s, the right tried to fix it by selling it all off.... corrected the ghetto problem, but recreated the lack of housing issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with health, left created the NHS, right started to run it down, the new 'fake' left came in the 90s and completely fucked it up by gutting it and selling into bondage via the "Public Finance Initiatives" which you should go look up'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK health service is going bankrupt now as a result'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already have provision limitations based on funding, we already have death panels and psuedo-legal euthenisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the US will have'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, have i broken your myopic view of my opinions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Is Diane Feinstein really a man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to be religious in Indionesia unless you're a member of one of only six government recognised religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'publicly expressing atheist views can land you in jail under blasphemy laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that are never enforced'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In January 2012, an Indonesian man who said on Facebook that God did not exist is facing jail, as atheism is reportedly "a violation of Indonesian law under the founding principles of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'On 6 May 2010, a court sentenced Bakri Abdullah to one year in jail for blasphemy because the 70-year-old claimed to be a prophet and to have visited heaven in 1975 and 1997'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'oh. Thought you meant US/UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'On 2 June 2009, the Central Jakarta District Court convicted Lia Eden, also known as Lia Aminuddin or Syamsuriati, of blasphemy. The court accepted that Eden had proselytized her religion, known as Salamullah, which she invented.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'people are nuts. What can I say'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, UK doesn't need blasphemy laws, we don't have freedom of speech in the first palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The FBUI will apply the term "Terrorism" to any group it doesn't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anybody read "The Fourth Turning" by Howe & Strauss?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rehtorical answer: unlikely that i would be tempted to waste good money buying or to waste time reading an unknown book of somebody's opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so many (wannabe) authors publishing crappy books'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but maybe the book was recommended by Jon Stewart (or Stephen Colbert -- there's a waste of money)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suppose (crappy) books are for those yet seeking an opinion -- those with educated confirmed opinions prefer concise documentary texbooks stating the facts in comprehensible format'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is where Chemosh is supposed to chime in with something verbose and partly incomprehensible and or partly inane (but Chemosh is offline)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade reminisces "when i went to school, most of the literary books were at least 50 years old and acclaimed classics.  None of those recent modern books with cusswords and propaganda gimmicks."
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you missed Sonshi trying to sell socialism and collectivism as a solution to the UK's problems when it was a mixture of that and fascism that caused the problem in the first palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one person dies it's a tragedy, 10,000 die it's a statistic'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you get to fascism from a democracy, or a republic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm? when you start incorporating the private sector in governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starts with lobbying, moves to finance, contracting out, privatisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people assume fascism is government taking over corporations (venezuela style), but it can be the other way round, which is what we have with global banking cartels taking over countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strangely, some view socialism as the government taking over corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are not so dissimilar'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both can be considered totalitarian regimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when taken to the extremes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put another way, does it really matter whether the dictating power is called "General <x>, Chairman <y> or Goldmann Sachs"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dictatorship is a dictatorship, both seek to dispossess the little people and coalesce power into the hands of the elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is who the elite is, and to some extents the methodology for achieving that aim'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Nazi party are a good example of socialism and fascism working together'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when are we going to see David Gregory arrested?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '200,000 people turn out to see Benazir Bhutto's heir speak at the launch of his political career'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beat that, Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kpyYWd0eo&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come shows like mountain men and swamp people are on history television instead of documentary television?  is the media saying what's not going to exist in the future, or are they just reminiscing on how mountain men used to live?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pawn stars, who doesn't pawn things? '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'porn stars i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are on whatever channel will pay the bills to air it....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets ride our horses to town and piss off the dog-chow drivers impatient by our clops'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that, horses in a man's world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my truck has 2 HP.....2 horses pull it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the beast a martyr?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he must know he's gonna be the beast before he's sentenced to eternal damnation to receive jesus christ's temple of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god damned him to his fate'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though he's just a story, it's good religion to consider the nature of the being taught in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the book of revelation is man's mockery of god in general though, along with most religious teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien raises an eyebrow at Chemosh's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a question that inspired hellboy and the rewritten verse of the end'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come argyles named after a new york publishing company which called for the extermination of german white humans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just coincidence?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad my mom's hooked up with a rotten ussr russian jew from ukraine, otherwise i'd put more effort into it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ei'm upset they didn't defect to germany and die with the nazi's really'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what a traitor bunch of europeans they were that immigrated to the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brilliant news headline: "Video: Syrian rebels try to shoot down commercial airliner - US tax dollars at work"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as they're paying their mafia taxes to the central african republic 'sino cartel' or what's they called'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'has bill clinton and stuff associated with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not mafia island, which is ww2, but a mafia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen them on yahoo before they shut it down'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'xxxxmafia they had a name'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mid-eastern african mafia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want to remember them so i can see that you know them and then i can go and find some articles of incrimination'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'What's wrong with having a cautioned watchful eye while living under the shadow of our governments?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you said something wrong in the internet, you're death-camped'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that man from russia with the mustard on him, he's giggling as you die'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t926284-2/ man in russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can skim through the pages to see him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mom's actually going out with somebody who looks almost identical to one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i suspected that guy to be a fuckaround ever since i seen him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his name's Viktor Vekselberg'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe uncle or himself'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see he's ukrainian jew though, which putin mocks the death of '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ukrainians at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIC1De3l7rk putin mocks the death of ukrainians'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ukrainians holocaust were funny, hehehhehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my prayers go out to ukrainian nationalist party and their resolve to fuck you to their enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe some nazi concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'miserable arseholes threw Phonehenge West creator in jail'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Hey Chemosh ^_^'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Care to discuss some things with me? Since you seem to enjoy debating many different subjects and topics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the santorini islands have risen 14 cm in the last 14 months.   A huge magma caldera is forming underneath them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come there's always some cult of people who are out to get you and they don't ever stop forming into new cults of people who are out to get you?  how to prove the cult doesn't really exist?  how come questions aren't asked because people're afraid to ask them, and the answers are so hard to find?  who's offering safety?  where is the enemies?  is anybody exempt from concern?  how can i be sure that history will not repeat itself, and be satisfied by not looking for the advancing enemy that consumed them in the past?  which people shouldn't i consider because it's not socially acceptable to ?  they wouldn't be considered any longer after having seen that that's not who (some of) them are, but (some of) them are sometimes just that, and that brings me back to historical fears - and the question of 'who's offering safety?' - because i think it's really concerning, and the fear is hard to live with all the unknowns, which are part of survival having fear and a desire of security'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) No Privi Leges: 'breathe '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh you might be insane please do not own a gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, how about you write a report about 'why genocide will not happen in the forseeable future''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh it will, in africa, but who gives a fuck about those savages'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the solution's being developed by society which move away from it's repeating self'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's unfortunate, i think it's best when people're judged based on what kind of people they are, and not on what they look like or where they come from'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh the solution is simple:  don't live somewhere where you might be a target of genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's kind of solution i guess, living in a more civilized place where people allow eachother to live'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I judge based on the fact that they commit genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are you saying commiters of genocide are not savage?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh:  exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Perhaps the EU should do something about the genocides....oh thats right...they are impotent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'every day lionfish commit marine genocide against the littlrer fishes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Its human nature to form groups and rally against an enemy. Just look at all professional sports. Would they even exist if human nature wasn't that way? Sure people love to play the game, but would they want to watch if their kids weren't playing or they wanted to see victory over an enemy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'didn't want'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'finding life outside of the planet would probably be a good thing, cause it would give the whole planet something to rally against. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'judging people based on their beliefs though, if organized religion or something like they teach 'the hitler youth' programs on history television, they might have somewhat of a warped mind which is hard to look away from and hard to trust, i think that's more of a legitimate criteria than what they look like - but even then, sometimes people will try to not take on a anti-human outlook taught to them and instead will retain some of their individuality - but that's something hard to trust, my main reason for considering certain types of people is just that, i include the beliefs and evidence of their manifestation as i found on the news and history and stuff, and from that i try to see what alternative ways of seeing the situation are, from input by others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rizgoth: The EU is a trade union, not a military power.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well, don't they have a defensive pact?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sure easy to feel backed in a corner though and take on a psychology of lashing out at what you think to be somebody out to get you - i seen that there is some psychology texts about that subject, and sometimes it might be the actual case which makes it so alluring to follow - since it's such a universal tendency of people, however real or not, i find it surprising that more attention isn't given to teaching about this particular mental disorder - is it because of politics?  (this could include all kinds of real-world manifestations of discord and division) i think if solutions are ever going to be arrived at to some problems, understanding and proving wrong the misunderstandings is important - people don't join up with certain causes and things like that if they see that they're wrong for instance, others just like the criminal actions being done by them (this is the 'type of people' that i consider)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't really expect anybody to wonder about that same thing, i just think it's a interesting problem which seems to exist 'pre-emptive' etc, misconceptions go too far sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while it is true that the EU is not a military power, it is protected by NATO'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'NATO's membership almost exactly mimics the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not all EU members are part of Nato.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I said that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'regardless, NATO will step up and protect the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's nice of them :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have a reference for that statement? Didn't know that such a policy exists.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no need for policy. NATO will defend any of its members from attack, the point of the treaty. Any attack on an European nation, whether a member of NATO or not, can be considered a threat to a NATO member.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention, that the US, being a member of NATO, will be itching to get involved :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, the US has been involved in 10 of the last 5 wars on this planet :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know if the US has missed being in a war since its creation :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Possibly the falkland islands?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, they violated the Good Neighbor policy they so much sold to the rest of the Americas, to support the UK  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US has also missed a bunch of wars in africa, but that's only in countries that have no natural resources to steal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not the US as a whole, jus the MIC.  But seeing how powerful a lobby the MIC is, I guess that would be a distinction without difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont steal natural resources, we buy them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But we need friendly govts in which to buy them from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or in the case of saddam hussein, not psychotic.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so Hussein was psychotic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't that like the saying dont buy xyz from someone, buy it from their widow?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's corporate SOP, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his ultimate goal was to control all the oil in the middle east....that would be bad, the US needs the fragile lack of balance in the area so that we can purchase some resources from many govts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no worse that the US controlling all the oil in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just before we invaded iraq the first time, saddam offered the US $10 a barrel oil for 20 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought his cardinal sin was shying away from the dollar as a reserve currency'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Saddam did get his training from the US, so we know where the idea came from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And yet we still invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hussein was not psychotic when the US supplied him to fight the war against Iran and the CIA was very friendly with him as the BCCI scandal uncovered.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'claiming that Saddam was a bad guy is a justification after the fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially because no WMD was ofund'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of the taliban was a no brainer though, and it had nothing to do with equal rights for women in the country....it had to do with we needed a friendly govt there because the country is sitting on top of over $10 trillion in minerals including rare earths that need to be extracted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hussein suffered the same fate (or worst) that Noriega suffered. While they were doing the CIA bidding they were fine, when they finally told the CIA to stick up its butt, they got invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'getting rid of the Taliban in afghanistan is indeed a "no brainer"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lots of countries have discovered how futile that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'That's another instance of invading a country who stopped helping the CIA. The CIA and the Taliban were all frends working to make the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a hell on Earth. After the Soviets left, the CIA told the Taliban that they were on their own.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the taliban also shut down the heroin trade for the most part for a few years, and after we invaded and put in a pro usa govt, that heroin trade opened back up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and let's not forget that when the bush said that the US was going to invade Afghanistan "looking" for Bin Laden, the Taliban offered to turn him over. The US declined the offer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we hear, after all of the hype and vitiol, that the sandy hook shooter DID NOT USE AN ASSAULT WEAPON HE USED HANDGUNS'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'better ban handguns!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better ban mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who says?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should certainly ban Senator Feinstein for being a dopey woman ill suited for governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who what'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that he didn't use an assault weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean do you have a link or proof or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll have to rustle one up'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, 4 handguns because mental patients have 4 arms'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hmm per the medical examiner his primary weapon was the bushmaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feds and the medical examiner disagree? that's never happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can show you the link if you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'directly quoting the medical examiner'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please do'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/connecticut-shooter-adam-lanza-mothers-guns/story?id=17984499#.UOAhL4aSka8'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not quotes from his report'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the report disagrees with police reports of a bushmaster having not been found inside the building'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is so much hype and contradiction in the information that I doubt we will ever know the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it's a direct quote from him'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? it's before he's done the report'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so he will be quoted by ABC news saying one thing and another thing in the report?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'kind of flimsy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in his report that he claims the bullet wounds are .223 assault rifle, and no assault rifle was found in the building, where does that leave you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would think you would begin to wonder where the gun was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bushmaster was found in his car outside'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 handguns were found inside'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not how he mysteriously turned his hand gun rounds into .223 bullets'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'occams razor and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, the only reports of the bushmaster not being found in the building I can see were from preliminary reports...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same date as twyst's quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best information would be the cctv footage'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to be honest, its a moot point in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't use this gun to kill them, he used the other guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was actually the shotgun that was in the car, not the bushmaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still doesn't portray guns in the best light'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well nods, a mental patient that they authorities were fully aware of trying to get guns, killed a bunch of people in a disarmed zone'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there were only two handguns, besides the rifle and shotgun'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'disarmed zone is propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not four'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive failure of the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'an unarmed detainee shot three police officers in a police station'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quick! ban unarmed detainees!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's more analogous to the mental patient angle than the gun angle I'm afraid'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but nice try'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is only one angle here and it's the anti-gun propoganda angle'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun rights advocates do not believe in any restrictions whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'says the guy who claims the bushmaster was in the car...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the same guy flags up as mentally ill and trying to buy rifles 5 times within a month and they do nothing about it, then no amount of laws will help'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just because something is unsuccessful doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'laws need to be enforced to be effective...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'child rape still happens, but its not legal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, this wasn't a lack of law, it was failure of enforcement'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and no one is advocating that it should be on the grounds that it still happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being denied purchase of a gun is not a crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the system worked exactly as it should have'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly it did not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you took away civvy guns altogether like we do, you wouldn't even have this sort of problem...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately, guns are proliferated so much, that you don't have to buy one'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you said he was denied five times'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't buy the guns like he wished'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he realized, hey I can just take a family member's'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, what you're arguing is having a username and password system that allows infinite tries'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every ATTEMPT and FAILURE to buy a gun goes on the background check'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should have FLAGGED'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you ban semi-auto rifles, and actually removed them from the population, then criminals can't steal them...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Only if it gets so far'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you shoot all criminals in the head, criminals won't steal them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a lot harder to shoot all criminals in the head. Not to mention it's a gross violation of basic rights by any measure'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't care about rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they never have'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they care only about control of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what rights are being infringed, please tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone you disagree with "don't care about rights" it's a pattern I'm seeing here...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're guilty of exactly the same thing, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree w/ both of you :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously though, what rights are being infringed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with what, twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'slippery slope is a lazy argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like five lines up, you said they don't care about rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nebulous they, and which rights?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in the case of the US, because it is specifically laid out, 4th ammendment, 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th is gone, 2nd is under fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privacy is already gone here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the fourth amendment has been horseshit since I was old enough to understand what it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the police can break the fourth amendment w/ impunity'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you think it is horseshit means it shouldn't be defended?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean it has been trampled on for decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the amendment itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a right to be shot. oh well, lots of people get shot, so i guess we just get rid of that as well, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a right not to have all your stuff stolen, oh well, people get robbed, let's just get rid of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not saying the fourth amendment shouldn't be followed, but it never has been'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Exceptions_to_the_warrant_requirement'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is making registration of real world credentials a prequisite for any form of internet access'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expecting it here soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just saying...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the gov't can track you right now as is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no need to add credentials..., china is just making it easier on themselves with 1 billion plus people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, twyst, that doesn't make it righty'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly, but that's why I concede that banning gun's in america is not feasible'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a bunch of idiotic liberals shouting about guns when most of the richer ones have armed guards or live in gated secure communities'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats not a fair comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if any crazy can get a gun, than yes you need guards'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if guns were not available you wouldn't need armed guards'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any crazy can carry a weapon, the only way it can be made safe is to do away with the crazies'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's all about doing a cost benefit analysis'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'driving is dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost isn't relevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but we have determined that at certain speed limits, it is less so'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not monetary costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'costs to society et al'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have crazies who knife other people...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"costs to society" arguments are generally used as anti-law and anti-freedom wedges by socialists'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for some odd reason, it seems to be markedly less fatal...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look what polish "liberty" did for them... those who forget history are...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have noodles for blood'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look what socialism did for Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did pretty well, not sure what you are referring to'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's hard to argue that Germany was socialist'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler did well, Sonshi agrees'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just because it was in the name of the party'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're one of the strongest countries in europe, even after what the fascists did to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they handily had a clean slate to start from'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, I say the socialists did well, and you say I support hitler? Amazing. You must be a scientologist then, makes as much sense!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're the one who failed to realise that Nazi party was a socialist party'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you are a libertarian, therefore you must love stalin! Makes sense by your logic too!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ho ho ho'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stalin was never a libertarian or ever labelled such'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazi party a socialist party... well, I must applaud your history teachers...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you support socialism, that's your choice, you will have to suck up the negative impact and negative history that the form of governance has had through history'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, you must love north korea, they're a great democratic republic!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i love north korea, who do you think modern US and UK governance is being modelled on?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people through the word socialism out there a lot, kind of like liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since when did I support socialism? I just mentioned that germany has done well under it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you always support socialism, you're forever advocating it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm more of a liberal technocrat'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I support socialism in certain western countries because those countries have moved far too right to be optimal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have the balance we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy to find balance in a shoebox'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i argue localism and small sovereign states'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the problem with unbridled capitalism is that it needs in infinite growth system for everyone to have an acceptable standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think the biggest problems with finance and debt etc in the last ten years have been caused by the rise of China, India, Brazil etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to find balance in a shoebox? There are plenty of small states which are well off to one wing or the other'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'face it, we just know what we're doing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although lately there have been some areas of concern... but it's still a lot better than in most places...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, twyst, abusing china paid a large part in fuelling debt-based consumerism in the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argh, too many people not understanding economics... the rise of india and china represents lots of opportunities for progress, if you'd just take it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progress for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(almost) everyone in the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in those countries, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its only fair though, don't you think TN?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair that you should destroy one country for the benefit of another? no'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how long have America and UK consumed a far larger share of the natural resources compared w/ their population?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's an opportunity, though, not a inevitability. You need to fiddle with your system so that (almost) everyone benefits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(an)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what country is being destroyed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'everyone can benefit, it's only a matter of policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no everyone cannot benefit'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it's a zero sum game?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'waht, more zerosumism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty tragic'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot change history'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially if it is imbued with the belief that any one person can morally and rightfully accumulate as much as possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both china and us have made large gains from our mutual trade. Likewise for our trade with the us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is asking for reparations'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and hopefully soon, we'll have an fta with the eu too'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(Debate) Twyst: 'how long have America and UK consumed a far larger share of the natural resources compared w/ their population?''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm saying that it is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it can't continue unless 1 of three things happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're asking people to reduce their standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'infinite growth'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all out warfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, things are getting more and more eficient'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need population restraint :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'third thing slipped my mind haha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'efficient my arse'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, there was a recent study that despite population growth, the amount of cropland needed to sustain the world population will actually decrease. Unfortunately it left out the effects of global warming, so it may not come to pass...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like bull'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, with better recycling tech, less resources are needed to produce stuff, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, if you look at the amount of space we use, and the implied amount of space the stuff we import uses, there's plenty of space left for further growth, at our standard of living, if everyone was as efficient...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll always have one country abusing the resources of another'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's already less half an acre per head of population, it'll only get worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(here)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the main thing holding us back is that tech gains are not well distributed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of us don't care about tech gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should - it allows for current growth rates to be easily sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want or need growth rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth rates are an artefact of the science of economics'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd prefer if population decreased. Would mean a better life for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no real-world meaning'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'real per capita gdp is still increasing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more stuff per person?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you can buy more pointless shit to stick in your collection of other pointless shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of people like that, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should use financial growth to work less and play more, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more stuff means, if you plan well, that you can retire early and go live in your nice dream house in the middle of nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it does not sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want to buy more stuff instead of saving to retire early, that's because that's what you want, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you save money, some snivveling snotrag of a socialist will dispossess you of it, or impose policies to erode it because of some fucked up idea of "for the benefit of society"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why there will be NO retirement for my generation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is talking about taxing wealth, although that would probably be a better solution as opposed to income'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, because the govt will break into your bank and delete the account. suuure'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why home ownership with the exception of shoeboxes are out of reach for all but the 1% here'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're devaluing it as we speak, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not for the benefit of the whole though TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for the benefit of the 1%'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our retirement fund gives better returns than inflation on average'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if yours doesn't that's kind of your govt's fault, right? You know, the govt that you guys elect...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't elect it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but your people did!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't 'my' people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is it a gov't pension or an IRA?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and guess why they don't have the money to give you better returns? Becasue you don't want them to tax the rich...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather they taxed everyone equally'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want them to tax everyone "equally", don't complain about your savings being devalued. Can't have your cake and eat it too...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the 1% would never go for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with savings, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'either that, or you'd have to accept a pretty high marginal rate on everyone...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be done with a 35% tax rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would be fine with a flat tax, as long as some number over 100k usd was exempt'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we tax the wealthy a lot more than the regular people back home...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exemptions kill tax systems'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a flat tax with no exemptions equals either starving the bottom third'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or not collecting enough revenue to even bother taxing people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'top tax is, I think, 20%... most pay under 5% or nothing at all...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, twyst, the bottom third don't earn wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those who don't earn wages don't pay income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also known as starving?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the bottom third don't earn wages? Are you counting babies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or is living above the poverty line free'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'retirees, housewives (housespouses), students...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clue is in the name "INCOME" tax. You don't get taxed on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look, some people don't work because they just aren't working age...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but a full time job at the current minimum wage in America, means you have to choose between food, shelter, or medicine'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there such thing as working poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have working poor too, and most of their taxation is not income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at the taxation piecharts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so your proposal is not just a flat tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have 7% GST back home... that's the main tax the poor are paying'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but a sole flat tax, and when I hear conservatives say 50% of the US doesn't pay taxes maybe they should look at some pie charts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd abolish all the taxes aside from flat rate income tax, flat rate sales tax, and duty on a few selected items'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have additional taxes on the poor, why not just eleiminate them and raise the top tax rate a little?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have to eliminate progressive taxation, just remove taxes on the poor end...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that falls into the same trap, sonshi, rich people don't pay high tax rates, poor people's taxation doesn't come from income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if rich people don't pay you high tax rates, you're doing it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you agree that the rich "should" pay more taxes though, right TN?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, your'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was right the first time :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'referring to the first you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a matter of ideology or ethics, Twyst, the fact of the matter is rich people evade taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether they should have to pay at a higher rate? I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I keep missing the r because of my bad typing style'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't that a distinction without difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they shouldn't pay higher taxes, (which they don't according to you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so all peachy then'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, so rather than imposing a flat rate, why not... I dunno... focus on tax avoidance?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think a flat rate system would be more effective, fairer, and cheaper/easier to administer'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be infinitely harder to evade, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be evaded the same way the current system is evaded'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's some east euro country with a flat rate or near flat rate... ask them how it's working out for them...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no exceptions to use'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using vast wealth to tip the scales in your favor by contributing(bribing) politicians'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so remove the bad exceptions...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you think exceptions come into the system?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lobbying, i.e. using money to influence politicians so you can make even more money'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most here are to try and "fix" perceived unfairnesses or help the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they have nothing to do with the big guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just move their wealth offshore'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just remove loopholes and tilt the tax towards more progressivity...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't remove loopholes without capital controls'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and what is to stop them moving wealth offshore w/ a flat tax?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have capital controls and still be a memeber of the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's been working out fine for the icelanders, after that terrible crash...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fairer for those who are left tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can if you're not part of the eurozone...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see your point TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but even if they move their wealth offshore, that doesn't matter that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can still tax economic activity within your shores'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'obviously the middle class is bearing the brunt of tax payments'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, it's the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'middle class on down then'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle class is pretty much extinct here'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's how we get them to pay up... their business is here, they want to do business, they pay the tax. They don't really have a choice. If they try to pretend that their profits are all offshore... hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a court case right there'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit north korea-ish, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the only way to keep the system working though TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we actually tax the rich! We're north korea-ish! Wow!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what jurisdiction do you take that to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'humans are notoriously apt to not follow the rules w/o consequences and monitoring'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let the rich evade taxes, otherwise you're north korea!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ours'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the business isn't in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, but it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's in luxemburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it isn't doing business in our country, why should we care?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is doing business in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they're doing business in our country, they have to abide by our laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think he means nominally placing the HQ in somewhere like luxembourg, or the Cayman Islands or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's that simple...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they'll find a way around the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it really doesn't matter where their headquarters are when it comes to taxing their profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying you shouldn't try, but it's like filling up a bucket with holes in'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't make the profit in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? It works for us. You have to face that fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how they get around it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we collect plenty of corporate taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as do we, but the biggest corps wiggle out of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said if you try to pretend that the profit is elsewhere, good luck explaining it to the judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the accounts can explain it to the judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, they can, and the judge can see that you're moving the profits illegally'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fudge the records, and you get a criminal charge right there'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it was illegally moving profits?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our law'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody has fudged anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're banning franchises and service payments/'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our country, our rules. That's how it is!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, those are perfectly fine, but there's a limit to it, based on fair value calculations, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a bit of wiggle room, but you can calculate the fair market value of ip based on similar enterprises'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will struggle. constantly'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you make $10 and pay $10 in fees to the HQ on average, you're obviously cheating, for example, since that implies your branch is worth nothing and should have liquidated.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bam, case closed, penalty and damages awarded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'holy shit maaan, America is suppose to be the greatest place on earth.. North.. After all I use to say in defense'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I have to say with deep regret.. I find it embarassing to represent such seein my life at this point..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'So here's one for the history books..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea I'm actually gonna turn on a beeper again..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Take this to DC. If ya can patch a word in for me..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I live in Philadelphia.. & This is the last straw.. Btw Do you even have call waiting on your cellphone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'and to read psalm 109 again the whole thing!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Amen'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'they'll never beat this legend..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I love america but seriously... If ya can't really make much sense of what's goin on & have no other choice but to be in america cuz ya have nuffin or not much set up elsewhere.. where the fuck can ya go?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'of all the shit I'd get from law makers in the past.. Once I was told Bush's father threatend funding for schools like the one I was goin to.. So I'm outside like "Noooooo to Bush!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'history is tough on us all but what we learn improves the future..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody learns'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'must be dat thug then... I tell ya.. by the year 5000 or maybe 10,000.. Pentagon had a legion of doom live their & raise they kids and it be like a ghetto apartment while another buildin be built to use just like the pentagon... Ya never know.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in english?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'What if we sold or hmm.. The government sold this country!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they sell it? they own it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'power hungry'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't sell it if they were powerhungry'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'remember napoleon almost took over everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalist bankers have it all, you've already lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'so literally they could be with the meetings anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'probably got it like that a lil already'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well at least you have firearms to take these guys out if they start imposing tyranny, oh no woops, no, can't have that, it's being taken away as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'which amendment is that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: '5th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'to bear arms? 2nd'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ah..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'So what's the 5th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'not required to incriminate yourself in testimony'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'also can't be tried twice for the same crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'due process, and no taking of property without compensation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Jermiah chapt 3, paragraph 1-2 has me laugh hysterical.. Cuz I look at the need for big corporate consumtion. The need on a day to day basis.. For kids to eat. Families to be fed & had bills paid & still look professional. I can't express easily with words why or how long I should feel something for this I am not suppose to. You suggest a numbing agent easily because of your laothing & lement! Because you rall up wif compliment-like hoodlum & flimflamist! But I WARN You I am strong! I been der tue son! Ya can't say I miss the point when I live in the cost to or some of the cost with others to make commerce obese.. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'leveraged buyouts on avg end up costing the company at least 1% of the jobs of the company that was bought by a debt loading profit generating holding company.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to shore up the price of US oil, it really needs to start exporting some oil to other countries....'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see the US and Canada both start exporting 1 million barrels of oil to the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per day.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name of the game is use everybody else's oil first'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is idiotic, the name of the game is profit, and right now US/Canada oil is priced $20 to 30 a barrel under north sea oil because we are not able to move the oil to refineries or other markets that quickly right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the other game is to make as much profit as possible for so few immediately, preferably yesterday, while ruining and depleting the planet for tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the christian( republican)s say "no worries, Jesus Christ is there with a new earth to exploit and ruin"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the atheist( republican)s say "eat drink and be filthy rich, for the bad tommorow is not to come in their lifetime, so they do not care whether future generations are in eco-hell"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tomorrow)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Earth has more oil than we will ever use, we will switch to cleaner methods long before we ever get close to running out of oil....the easy to get oil might be running out, but even the harder to get oil gets easier to get over time as technology gets better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth seems to be reading that from some republican oil-fairy-tales book'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear, geothermic, expanded solar, and wind will eventually replace most of the oil use in time, but that time is at least 30 years in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '30 years - ha!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I guess you ignored the fact that the US has over 2 trillion barrels of oil shale in colorado/wyoming/utah/nevada.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'With most of it under Colorado.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how many days oil is that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt matter, there are also huge deposits in other parts of the world as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those deposits are better left in the ground'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel just found 3 huge natgas deposits offshore that can replace most of their imports for well over 500 years at current consumption rates.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So did Jordan and Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'North Africa is swimming in new deposits of shale gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'won't last 500 years if other nations force Israel to export those deposits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if all the oil and gas is burned, the resultant CO2 in the atmosphere shall ensure continued global warming for a long long while'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so all the glaciers and the polar ice masses melt -- the rich shall be long dead and gone while billions eke and die horridly (and millions drown?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It was in the 1930s that the American government joined with the Saudi Royal House to form ARAMCO, the Arabian American Oil Company, the largest oil company in the world, to ensue free flow of Arabian oil to America.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human life is cheap -- what is importrant to (insert synonyms for callous republicans here) is that the rich become richer and pay no taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'About 1400 new oil wells are being drilled in the bakken oil shale deposit in north dakota each year.  It will take almost 30 years to completely drill the deposit in north dakota alone....it could take twice as long to drill the canadian part of the deposit, and around 15 years for the montana part.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do oil derricks, oil pipelines, oil-spills, beautify the natural wild'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'open-cut mining -- there's a beautification project'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. if you believe profits from ruined landscapes are "beautification"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Exodus 22:18 -> You shall not allow a witch to live. (This is still practiced in some places according to the news) -> My question about it is, how do you tell who a witch is?  What is a witch?  The closest thing to a witch I seen in the world is a person claiming to be a witch, 'which are you?' sounds like witch are you, or 'which am i' sounds like witch am i?  So if there's going to be any accurate judgement of who's a witch, does the judge have to be a witch too?  Or is it mainly based on superstition and ignorance with no real knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you weigh the same as a duck, you're made of wood, and therefore a witch'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a similar sort of logic to socialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something i kept in mind anyways, i know the authority given to the judge is to decide such things, and if witches are being found maybe the religion has another grain of believability to it, in it's elevated natural calling - but i still haven't been able to accurately identify a witch myself as any definable trait, so position of authority and trust etc, maybe that's more important to some people than actual knowledge of being correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Societies are socialistic by definition )
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism though like you say, i see it more as that fascism idea of mine, 'appearing correct versus feeling correct' or 'appearing to understand versus understanding' or 'smiling cause you feel like smiling versus smiling cause it's expected of you''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it fair to enforce your vision of society onto others, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think fascism is, kind of fictionalization of human nature'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to some extent it is natural though, i don't disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does fair have to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, if you want to choose an ideology for governance, wouldn't you want it to be fair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the last real social implementation was the feudal state, everything since then has been nothing but variations on the same theme/'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure that's quite right'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feudalism IS, however, very similar to what we have now, except now we have higher taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as people want to be led, they are going to be forced into structures that abuses them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well everyone else gets forced into that structure when they don't want to be led. We're branded terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't elect presidents or prime ministers, they elect masters. As long as they do that, they get what they ask for.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't vote, you get the people on the inside of socialism (like Dagnir) complaining that you didn't participate therefore are undeserving of a say'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if they by now they haven't realized that all the political rhetoric is bullshit, they deserve to get shafted. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a bit like giving you a choice between being shot in the head with a shotgun or being shot in the head with an assault rifle, and if you choose not to make a choice, shooting you with one anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just view the US political campaign in 2012, people were talking about "hope for the future" and crap like that, as if the people they elected were going to do what they hoped to do. When the US institute the vote of confidence then we can talk about a responsive government.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully agree, similar problem here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'system is fully geared up to maintain the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way it could ever change is with forceful revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the system has put into place lots of laws to prevent mass protest, grouping, political dissent, political speech, and banning weaponary'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really what's at the bottom of the attack on guns in the USA right now, fuck all to do with kids being shot'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'election to a political office is equivalent to being annotated. They beg and cajole during the electorial campaign, then when they get elected they act as if they wouldn't want to step on any of the voters lest they ruin their shoes. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a quote by Mahatma Gandhi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a journo got his facebook account blocked for 48hours for posting that quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo! go UK, building one of the largest ocean wind turbine farms in the world.....176 turbines located in the thames estuary.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight, Britain subjugates India and India complains that they are not allowed to carry weapons... I am sure that some sense can be made out of that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gandhi, that well renowned gun nut and tea-party member'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weapons are good, everyone needs weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ok, guys you are now under British Rule, here, have this weapons so you can rise against us.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone needs guns except americans with a tyrannical government'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, britain is our friend....hell, we are even going to start exporting oil to you guys soon....'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point, we can't afford it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will be cheaper than north sea oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what happened to the North Sea wells?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they ran out of oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about exhausted'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were mostly gas anyway, not oil'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we can export lots of gas also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am sure there is more somewhere around there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when issues are dealt with by laws (while issues are conceptual/intellectual/sentimental) and force instead of explaination and common sense, then it can be comforting to have some means of self-defense foresure, with most of manual survival like hunting for supper etc being obsolete, that's one of the only justifications for having weapons these days, is other people have them and don't want to be left at their mercy, which they can choose not to have just like they did in the past - is what i think about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hunting debate is quack and always was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither americans nor british, nor anyone really ever had guns solely for the purpose of hunting'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK has lots of shale gas, but they wont extract it....because there is a 1 in 50,000 chance of contaminating the water table that is 9000 feet of rock and dirt above the gas field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are extracting it, riz, they got a limited goahead'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't have public backing'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, go UK!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, we're already short of water'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can use seawater...you have lots of that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't drink seawater'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you want to drink the seawater that is used to frack the wells to get the gas ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the seawater will end up in the water supply'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the pollutants'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '9000 feet below the surface?  I think not.....the water table is usually less than 150 feet down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you think it'll end up then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the gas field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surrounded by rock.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from the stuff that leaks out into the water table'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise the gas would have got into the water table millions of years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get much investment in it here because the government owns all the rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why the US now produced 96% of its own gas, compared to 12 years ago when we imported 96% :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they are defense too, yeah, did the nazi soldiers know where the people they're sent to detain are going to end up while they sent them there?  they were just doing their jobs, trusting the 'old wolf', i understand people's fear of authority because of like i said about how non-violent problems are often dealt with by laws and force - since we're taught the nazi's weren't good people and if they were just doing their jobs, so do alot of other groups of people today - if only world's governments and their pacts and things like that weren't holding eachother's non-transparency up, i think the best goal for governments to have is to eventually have their own citizens govern themselves - but that's where centralization of power and the 'guaranteed survival' of the master and his friends comes from, always consolidating power around their own superiority over everybody elses - why people seem to be dumbed down and treated like trash often'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can blind people with that much text.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just some things i think of, maybe they're too offensive to think of, but it's some information i seen in what i learned of history, a question'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did you breath at all while cutnpasting that from your manifesto ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just typed it up right there, it's a concern of mine that i have, not any attempt at defamation of anybody or unjust 'likening' or anything like that, just a legitimate observation and question - coming from a place with no authority at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to reach that 9000 feet, the drills and holes require to pass through that 150 feet where the water table is, and leakage from anywhere near that 150 feet is going the "frack up" the water table -- high pressure hydrocarbons are very "innovative" for seeking entry into atmosphere and water tables'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'just one little oil or gass leak into the water table, and the water table gets a new flavour'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silence enviro whacko.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and almost guaranteed that somebody is going to make a "mistake"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is good for you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and some people did have guns for 1st hunting, but also they can be used for self-defense (or crime), and sharpening the skills of using them - i think alot of the problem with social violence can be solved with discussion and evaluation of beliefs/misconceptions etc, seeing things as you believe a problem to see things and then discussing why that's not the only way to see them - but that's not a approach people take very often at all, it's part of 'diplomacy' - i haven't met many people who are utterly unable to comprehend some pretty legitimate concepts, but society seems to think that making certain concepts illegal or threatening anybody who looks at them is a better method of dealing with the problem than invalidating them through understanding - it's alot like being led by ignorance, but there is (i think) more people in the world who don't want to participate in evil by their own free will (when it has large consequences) than otherwise, if they see beyond their beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another long screed by Chemosh not saying what Chemosh may or may not mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'tldr'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh was invalidated when Chemosh intimated that that if actual witches existed, then believing in that religion was perhaps okay, and by corollary default the persecuting of witches -- (callous foot-in-mouth Chemosh)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, that's was like a multiple evaluation of the situation, as seen through somebody mentioned in the last part of that paragraph's conceptual eyes, and the eyes of those who he rules, who likes the authority more than knowledge of being correct, and how to bring people into the fold through fear of being ostracized or desire for protection from 'them''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if actual witches exist, perhaps that is where an actual "God" is lurking -- and that religion (and supporters) are abominations hunting those witches (and those that look like witches)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i didn't say one way or another that witches do exist, or justify religion either way'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandmother on my moms side was a witch.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a hurry to post dribble on debate, Chemosh indirectly affirmed plausible support for religions being intolerant and persecuting (the witches, simply because the witches actually exist)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can't parse my meaning from what i say then that's my problem, although you can become my problem by being ignorant and blaming it on me'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'proofread the dribble before posting, and look at alternative viewpoints by extremely sarcastic cynics ready to dissect and obliterate the idiocies posted'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for someone bitching about proofreading, it would help if you knew that the word is drivel, not dribble...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some dribble drivel'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc mumbles about people talking about "idiocies" who are themselves every bit as guilty
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least some are getting an education'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'switch the house numbers :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently rep. leader Boner is getting hissy at tea-party republicans sticking by the principles and promises that GOT THEM ELECTED and not voting with him'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dreadful, principled politicans, whatever next, no wonder people brand them as mad'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd person pushed in front of subway train. don't see Bloomberg calling for a ban of subway trains'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the pro-gun or anti-gun doing the pushing'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not applicable in this case'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's to do with funding/taxation/fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appears that the 50 or so tea-party republicans will hold pretty much the deciding votes on any fiscal cliff measures in congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that it will help any, no deal will be made because it's not in either party's interest'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think you guys should ban time-limited legislation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems to fuck you up over and over again'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the republicans are going to extort more tax-breaks to permit debt-ceiling to be raised ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they did previously'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't agree to a plan, so they'll happily let the ship go over that cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they really don't want to let obama get hold of the power to increase the ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't blame them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans want austerity measures for the non-rich, and more tax-breaks for the rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, and democrats want tax breaks for the uberrich and everyone else on the planet on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, working Joe loses'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what happens when the economy slows to a near halt when there are too few monies with the non-rich to buy the products that the rich are selling'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to be careful how you define "near halt", what happened here is that growth fell to zero, businesses struggled, unemployment went down because companies switched to part-time workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt levels started to go down, inflation was suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pain ensued, would have righted itself but for huge government debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'part-time employees are at below poverty levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they're not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, put another way, 50% of full time employed people are below the poverty line'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part time workers are no worse off than those others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'part-time employees are subsidised by the government ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are full time workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economy isn't just nearly broken, it's really broken'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you get a boom fueled by personal debt, and a consumerist society hooked on buying cheap shit from China rather than understand the true cost of something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is crazy though, their deficit/debt is a piece of piss to sort out, but they won't do it because the military industrial complex + global banks that own/run your government won't let it be sorted out'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK hasn't got such an easy fix-route'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what easy-fix USA route, other than raise taxes on the rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop invading places'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close most of your 100some-odd foreign bases'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop bombing the 8 countries you currently are'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take an axe to the military budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps increase the taxes on the military-industrial complex -- let those that want wars, pay for those wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If wars had to be pay as you go, we would be a lot better off.  Good thing we elected Bush the imposter and Darth Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody rich profitting from those wars, tax them to the hilt, and then some'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? just stop the wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but they are the "job creators" and that's "socialism" /sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are profiteering from the wars TN by ripping off the gov't'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as well as the people as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how you know your government has been compromised'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'war is good'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't if you're an innocent brown person, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is innocent anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'interesting take Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some are more guilty than others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've made this argument before, and I told how easy it would be to justify 9/11 w/ that logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder how the government justified 9/11 to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"some are more guilty than others" cancels that "take"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort out your foreign policy/military, not only is your debt paid off in 17 years, but also you stand a chance that in the future, other countries might actually stop hating you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately countries hating us is a badge of pride for the wingnuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and chicken hawks'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of both sides, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could save more money by taking a leaf out of the Ron Paul and pushing responsibility for most things back to state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Independent Republic of Rizgoth.....the IRR....You will be assimilated.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'There are many reasons the zombie, sprung from the colonial slave economy, is returning now to haunt us. Of course, the zombie is scary in a primordial way, but in a modern way, too. Hes the living dead, but hes also the inanimate animated, the robot of industrial dystopias. Hes great for fascism: one recent zombie movie (and there have been many) was called "The Fourth Reich." The zombie is devoid of consciousness and therefore unable to critique the system that has entrapped him. Hes labor without grievance. He works free and never goes on strike. You dont have to feed him much.  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/opinion/a-zombie-is-a-slave-forever.html?ref=haiti&_r=0 that's an interesting article, with all the zombie obsessed people on here and in the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'bRaInZ'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinunderhill/2011/12/07/you-say-indefinite-military-detention-of-citizens-like-its-a-bad-thing/ is an interesting article, 'on the legal definition of terrorism.' -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/13/pol-cp-scoc-terror-khawaja.html -> they mention a 6th amendment, a 55:45 vote omitting abroad, and the unknown people in charge of things in the future, and what kind of idea's they might have (definitions etc) -> so that's alot of what i was concerned about, what's being done to prevent things from being abused (and the questionable abuses sometimes seen in the news) - and that abuse is present in several places, according to the media i seen, in various stages (some places in the world i read about, etc), and in history (probably everybody knows a little of history)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not trying to foil some allied strategies or anything, just considering fairness in the unfair world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody likes some security don't they?  it's easier when it's taken for granted'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what about if somebody goes back 15 years in a big internet log database, searching for the dissenting opinions of a new definition, no matter if it's 10 or 40 years from now, and finds that it's a biological thing and not only the new definition gets punished but everything he has on earth - for instance, however out there it is, in some history you can see that it's not all too uncommon at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'long reaching consequences for trusting in others to rule selflessly, as far as i could tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're at least possible, i could probably fill this debate with myself with 10,000 lines or more of examples to consider'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one of my main problems with authority anyways, is there's no defending against it's abusers, when they decide that's against the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what if i was just kidding, see how much of a sense of humour people have in various states of oppression, that's how much freedom of speech or expression means to the possibilities and their definitions - and that doesn't say alot for possibly hundreds of millions of people, who at one time or another said something that the thought-police don't like to see, seeing it's a genetic deficiency or otherwise, maybe they're out for bulk-population control - as can be seen pondered in this bolt thrower song -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eShSOlhX9w maybe it was everybody within a certain distance of you, a crimethink epidemic, sweeping blanket statements drove the nazi's and others onwards, they didn't mind as long as they did what they were told - who was telling them probably could fit into the kind of hypothetical person i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but hopefully those kind of people're a thing of the past, i'm not hoping otherwise '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-protests-un-idUSBRE88I1CW20120919 is 'Ban Ki-moon' justifying the responses against sovereign state where film was produced, which were several deaths and burnt buildings in response?  that seems pretty weird doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was taught that if i don't want to see something, not to watch it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what else, people sentenced to death in egypt, being citizens of western nations, and didn't Obama sort of apologize for sovereign freedoms that americans have and not defend their ability to 'don't watch if you don't like it'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm? Egypt is Obama's model for the future of Islamic countries under Sharia law'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll use a secular version as his vision for the western world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Yeah!!! we finally have something going here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they made a film or something there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'do any of you think Shriah Law will be implemented in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not by name, no, but you are descending into Tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is essentially the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'remember we are a melting pot, so we accept anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, are you in the Us?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'US i meant'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/21/film-protests-pakistan.html Pakistan protests against anti-Islam film leave 19 dead -- 'Ban Ki Moon' apologizing for this outrageous blasphemy, which is worse - death or a burnt book?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some kind of fiction, can you turn off your peepers when you see something you don't like, or do you prefer to tear the face off of what you see'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is like the ultimate version of fascism'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I think this crap has been going on for years and we have been told by Americans to just accept it because we are a  land of tolerance. You look at other countries and they dont accept any type of friction that gets in the way of their way of life.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'where is the passion in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no passion in the US, if you have passion you are branded a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see they're even burning the american flag in that picture, along with the deaths, but still you see who's side the judge is on, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/25/christian-conservatives-angered-obama-islam Barack Obama has drawn fire from the Christian right over his attempt to criticise Muslims who are offended by slander of the prophet Mohammed while desecrating other religions. '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write these articles, but they're some thoughts i had after seeing them and considering the situations and doing my own judgement which isn't in a position of authoritah like the others'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'you know its bad when the UK wont even accept Piers Morgan back with all this debacle going on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it odd that in that article Obama quotes Gandhi, yet his pet NSA spying project, Facebook, blocks accounts for posting pro-2nd ammendment quotes from Gandhi'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of hypocrisy we should expect from the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess some speech is more free than other'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'debate -h 50 has quite a few neat things i found, barbie was interesting -> according to that voodoo article and the 1959 doll's german origins, i thought wow, that's quite the coincidence - but i see it's been a controversy dealt with before by a google search'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it is actually representative of what can be guessed, like the judgements on the articles of what is 'fair judgement''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I wish we could not just accept the change and follow the path of other countries. We are a nation of change that tries to walk a different path of other countries. You look around and we are either repeating history, or accepting third world country views. Im not one of those "Merica" tpye persons. Im just someone who wants to see us keep our way of life. If you dont like our way of life, go somewhere else and see if you have the freedoms we have.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst was fibbing about the sandy hook death investigator, he didn't say the bullet wounds were a bushmaster, he just said they were high powered rounds'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Hugo Chavez is ill again'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I know this may sound cynical, but politics is a dirty game. does anyone think Clinton is sick just to dodge the Benghazi hearings?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wheeled Mubarak to court in his hospital bed ffs'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'They have let Benghazi rest so much I dont think Americans even care anymore. Let it lie as much as possible, and put it on page 26 of the papers and it will go away. that is the America way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what they did with Iraq'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Exactly!! We are still in Iraq and no one even notices we are still there. Im military, and I know that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't so much that you're in it, but the lies and fraud that led to the invasion in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for the report in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's several years late'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't come out because it cannot be anything but damning'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I will say ths. I was one of those Americans who had NO interests in Iraq at all. After being over there, I can see why we would want spread Democracy over there. When I see what is happening to our own Country NOW,we are a Nation of "Do as I say, not as I do". '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it won't change, it'll just get worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'How long can we accept other Nation's ideas until another Country's ideas overtake our own? It's happened in the past, and it will still keep going on. It's like war. The one with the most weapons or soldiers win. Example: If we have an X nation, and MORE of the Y natons takes over, then where do we stand?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, there's the problem with Democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I know we were built on a Republic, and are still a Republic. Ask anyone in the US, they wil say we are a Democracy. NO!!! We are a Republic. Democracy leads to Mob Rule.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'It's not Republican rhetoric, ti's fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and what you've had for the last 12 years is the erosion of the republic'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'and this is coming from a Liberatarian.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's easy to point out in the USA because you have a written constitution to compare progress against'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie 'tomorrow never dies' puts emphasis on the importance of the media with james bond'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK here we have no constitution, so it's being done slower and more slyly, but started earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'public opinion, with the special fx and things they have these days, and places where basically nothing gets independently reported, just about anything can appear to be real to the audience'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'that is why the Constitution is a living document. It's open for interpretation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interpretation yes, to be destroyed entirely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is a body cavity search without a warrant not a warrantless search?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Chem, there was a time in this country where the press would sell their own mother out to the police to get the truth on a story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'not anymore. Money talks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is having all your communications over the internet being monitored not an invasion of privacy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did the executive branch suddenly acquire the power to go to war without congress approval?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did the executive branch suddenly acquire the power to kill of imprison americans without due process?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'it is getting destroyed entirely. I think Americans have been living with rose covered glasses SO LONG that they dont know the difference. Plus with acceptance being painted as tolerance, why would you question?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the power and limitation of the executive branch's power is clearly spelled out in the constitution, hw did it get exceeded so hugely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the question should be, at what point will they take the glasses off and question?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how many millions of people will suffer before that happens?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, my friend, you are a part of the LOW number of Americans that actually get it. Hence, going back to mob rule.Im not saying they are educated, but it is mob rule.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'or coming to that very soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not american'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, where you from?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'LOL!! the US could learn from you guys. Our history only dates back to 1776. Your history dates bakc WAY farther than ours.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Thus history repeating itself.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it sure is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'God, its great to actually have a debate with someone who knows what they are talking about. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure some fake liberal can pop up here and pour scorn on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are people that like to have their life micromanaged by dictatorous governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Im not putting down liberals. they do bring some good ideas to the table. Different perspectives. Now the WAY LEFT ones are the ones I dodge.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're not real liberals for a start'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part of the sick joke, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'the ones way left are the ones who want it their way and nothing else.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like conservatives that believe in monopoly and government contracts'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much patience and tolerance you have in judgement before you commit to action, is that basically how liberal you are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that has anything to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Chem Ive seen liberal and conserative alike tolerate SO little before they let their values just go to shit, and throw away everything they believe in just to get their point across to someone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to be sure on things, like mathematics, getting something right isn't as important as understanding how you got it, there's alot of variables in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'it's sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is sad about fake liberals is they make comments based on their own ideology ASSUMING that their ideology is accepted and correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, so liberalism offers it's own blindness maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you can't agree with their comment or policy purely because it stems from a false premise'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'guys, I gotta get some sleep. Loved the debate tonight. Best night so far. It's been peaceful, yet satisfying. You all have a Happy New Year. Be safe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like coming out with "We know the world is flat, so how about this"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sleep well'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's a true premise to you tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowing/assuming, assuming to know, that's all a bunch of philosophy isn't it?  who's philosophy can't be proven incorrect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a philosophy by a zoologist on discovery channel once, where he had a bull go into a fence (4 walls) that gave off electromagnetic charges or something, studying a theory of why cattle face a certain direction at certain times of day, and believing (assuming) that it was purely a physical thing, after several hours the bull finally turned when the fence was activated, the correct way, but an alternative would be that the bull began to understand that in order to get out of the fence, he had to comply with the training, and the movements weren't only physical'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really about premises, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess if the bull disagreed too long he might be turned into hamburger though, which is the method used by the philosophers of the world industries too, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to political ideology, it comes down to personal opinion and belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a false premise if someone puts forward an approach as being true or 'the best', when they are making an assumption that the ideological underpinning of that approach is something that has already been agreed'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so kind of like 'appeal to emotion'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or exploitation of ignorance, and yesmen (the 'mobrule' meaning the many and not wanting to be left out)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that trick kind of, doesn't everybody know that?  smile so you don't look stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really an appeal to emotion, though that is often a trick, it's more of a confidence trick, it's "We know x to be true, so y"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when X isn't true'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or when X hasn't been proven, or agreed, or even discussed'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah i understand that, imagination and desire and fear, being able to test theories yourself is important part of believing them with any sincerity, but trusting others to do that for you is what the government's for isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some situations anyways, it's good to have faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not that it's even based on faith, if they were to say "I believe this because my faith says it's a good thing to do", then that would be -something-'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could lead to further debate, and it might not mean I agree with it, but at least i'll  understand and appreciate the position'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's that automatic assumption of righteousness that annoys the shit out of me'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Doug Hagmann reckons the US administration will be going after political dissidents bigtime in 2013'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hidden/wrapped up in the anti-gun hysteria'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traffic stops and stop + frisks are now asking about what weapons you own, taking records for 'terrorism fighting purposes''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you have no criminal record'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the prosecution of Glaxo-Smithklyne for operating a 49,000 physician-strong "kick-back scheme" get any press coverage this year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Leading psychiatrist apologises for 'fabricating' psychiatric conditions that led to 3 epidemics of misdiagnosis'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think security minded should produce it's own psychiatrists to verify the claims of the 'big guys', i have my doubts there's nobody in any given community who could be a capable scientist to verify what the professionals have to say - but i don't know how they run things, saving money seems most important in most arguements against security minded i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know of immigrant doctors who (maybe it was their secretary or something else) misplaced patient records that they inherited from their predecessor and tried to prescribe drugs that could be fatal in some circumstances, or had a severely negligent affect on a patient - for instance, but i think they like to keep things like psychiatric health secretive because knowledge of how to make those medicines and things can be abused too'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes patients aren't very observant and trust their doctors to handle that'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some asutralian guy got yoinked off the street by cops and dragged to a psychiatric ward and drugged up. It was a case of mistaken identity - the only reason it came to light is he had a massive adverse reaction to the strong antipsychotic medication and ended up in casualty'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my doctor hates me because i don't trust him'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and i know he's on the tap and he knows it, and i know he knows it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had arguments about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read an article awhile back about non-psychiatrists having the authority to prescribe mental-health drugs, like anti-depressants, possibly ritalin (this is less likely) to even teenagers, and the brain is still developing until around age 23 in females, males i'm not sure - so i wondered about that, if it was really a good diagnosis in all them cases, since most general practitioners probably aren't psychiatric professionals'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general practitioners are paid kickbacks to prescribe anti-depressants, they hand them out like smarties'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'well, if it is simple and common stuff like depression then most GP's will see it all the time and will be pretty well capable of handling it. There is not enough psychiatrists to for everyone to see one.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/04/30/codeine-babies.html here's an article about codeine too - they're possibly correct, i couldn't know better - but what i read on opiates is that they mainly get distributed through the digestive tract, and that produces breast milk (although i don't anatomy well) along with feeding foetus's, also it can cause constipation and does modify brain activity'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank god for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world could use far less psychiatrist quackery and far fewer SSRi's, they have a lot to answer for'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i was kind of not totally convinced in the risk-free use of codeine for pregnant or nursing mothers, just because of what little i knew about opiates'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'nonsense, ssri's have decreased the amount of suicides dramatically since they were introduced'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suicide and violence is one largest side-effects of SSRI's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Suicide accounts for more military deaths than combat'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they're on a cocktail of drugs, mainly SSRi'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vast majority of mass shootings? shooter is on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not cure anything, they merely mask symptoms'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'for a depression that is usually good enough, you know... maybe start talking to your wife and kids again and getting out of bed will help things going from there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'ssri is just another tool, it can be used and misused'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's the problem, in this country certainly, probably the same in the US, there is no support, only pills given like smarties'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they recently declared that any expression of emotion can be used to diagnose a mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all a big fraud to get more prescription drugs into people's bodies, and therefore more $$$ in big pharma's pocket'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've though about how that's handled, using some schizophrenics as examples, because they're off their meds they might become volatile, or because they mix them with alcohol, is common media - like rehabilitation centers often don't do that very much i think the eventual goal of (like government) the people testing medication on people (or prescribing as a cure) should work with them with psychology and programs of rehabilitation to make those drugs un-needed eventually, maybe like an asthmatic inhaler is taken only when suffocating should they be prescribed permanantly'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are very very very few people with testable mental disorders'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ADHD was the biggest pharma fraud of the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they was looking for cures i mean, that would be some programs i would have expected to see'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clinical schizophrenia is extremely rare'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firefighter shooter and adam lanza confirmed as satanists?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'StormTrooper-nazi-SS-Ritalan -- that is a strangelabel'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, in which (alleged by you) country is that "stop and frisk and interrogate for guns" (supposedly) already happening'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that seems to violate both the 2nd and 5th amendments'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure you could refuse to answer, but that will just push you up their "terrorist threat checklist"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were american i'd be burying gun caches right now'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Terminator style'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is supposed to answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is supposed to refuse to answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everybody has been brainwashed to answer by the "nothing to hide" liberal brigade'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when ops ask too many questions, there is going to be increased violence against cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, if Feinstein gets her bill through and they start trying to forceably disarm the population, THATS when you'll get the deaths'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is pleny to hide -- cops are corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably have mass resignations from the cops, though tbh they'll probably use the army'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the army won't do it, they'll bring in NATO troops'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody with the knowledge of what happened after Katrina will go along with gun confiscation again'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Wait, Tigernuts, you mean you don't trust the government to provide all your protection?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you want to...take your life into your own hands? *gasp*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you trust the government to provide your protection when they're incapable of running basic services?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'always'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I trust that by the time armed gun men break into my home and threaten my wife, the police will be there b/c they are heroes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Feinstein" sounds jewish - that "jew" is going to cause a lot of hatred against jews -- the jews forced the Polish government to disarm the populace -- the nazis came and killed a lot of the Polish populace -- apparently some jews want a repeat of the carnage in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not going to get into a jew-bashing rant'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the core is pressure from the UN to disarm the population, they believe government should legitimately have a monopoly of power'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a populace may turn nasty very fast -- you Tigernuts seem to be doing something -- not sure which yet  (feeding or quelling the flames)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warning'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing nothing more than pointing out bad shit so that other people don't step in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the UN are abominable tyranical despotic-minded governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN itself is, most of the sovereign country governments have been bought off or taken over'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'head of the European Union was on record this week wanting Russia and the EU to be combined into a single entity with one government'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Herman van Rompooy'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herman van Romshitty'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was obviously a joke by the EU to elect somebody with that name to the head of that organisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non-automatic weaponry should be unrestricted, convicted felons should still be able to buy them, background checks on all weapons should be done on sale to ensure mental people or "wanted felons" don't get them. Repeated triggers should be followed up. There needs to be a judicial basis for being prevented from buying a gun, verdict passed by a judge on evidence basis. There also needs to be a judicial review path for people who believe they are being prevented from gun ownership wrongly'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'STATES (not the fed) should institute a "gun license" which licenses the owner, not the gun, on a yearly basis, with a fee. When you first get the license, or move house, you should be inspected to ensure your property has correct gun storage and that you have the correct training. Inspetion should take place again on moving house. Inspections should be done by trained local personnel on request and by appointment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all you need'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'job done'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disagree wih any continued registration of firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the firearms wouldn't be registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the owner would be registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'am even against the initial registration of guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this example, you'd only need a license for a semi-auto, but it still doesn't register what guns you own, only that you have had your place inspected for correct storage and that you have the training to use one safely'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when somebody moves, no reinspection of firearms (which discrinates against those that are itinerant and or mobile)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, only an update of your license, and an inspection of the storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, no inspection '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inspectors are viewed as crooks casing the new home'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have the gun shop do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gunshop inspectors are most certainly viewed as crooks casing the new home'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, ensure that the gunshop has on record that you have previously purchased appropriate storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, weapon storage is likely an option '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not everybody is able to afford those overpriced defective weapon storage lockers'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably can't afford a decent semi-auto then'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like saying i can afford a 1300cc motorbike, but can't afford leathers and a helmet'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know that if i had a family, i wouldn't have a gun without a quick-access safe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the deluxe extremely-secure weapon-storage-lockers that permit retrieving a weapon within 3 seconds are likely extremely expensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun lockers cost less than the guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper storage is a small price to pay for freedom from gun bans'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most serious gun owners likely already have sensible storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Canada, weapon lockers for sale seem extremely heavy with extremely slow access and cost at least $800 and up '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as much as an anti-theft action than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lockers cost more than guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a quick access pistol safe for under $50'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3 second gun lockers, i remember a guy who claimed he draws his weapon for a headshot in 3 seconds from the states somewhere, is that you zade'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was somebody on IRC'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which means that Chemosh is perhaps lurking on IRC in the same rooms i am lurking'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i haven't been on irc in over 9 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never got really attatched to it, just used it for video games'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4-rifle gun safe $250'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really isn't a lot of money, especially since you buy it once.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently Canadian Tire sells high-priced extremely heavy gunsafes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has Diane Feinstein been allowed to get away with insider-trading and not be prosecuted over it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those gunsafes are so heavy, the room floor likely required to be reinforcced below'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless your home is made of cheese'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Diane Feinstein" sounds jewish, and to prosecute her for insider-trading crimes may appear to be antisemitism   '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the other difficulty is getting other jews to testify against her'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those gunsafes are so heavy, likely requires two or three strong humans to move that gunsafe (with equipment)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop making rubbish excuses, zade :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just get a damned gunsafe already'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and buy it locally, not from some crap multinational'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after i get the gunsafe, i go buy guns -- that is going to be expensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good guns cost money, correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of canadians do not own guns (even though here are a lot of guns in Canada)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already gutted gun ownership in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is why we have the highest violent crime rate in Europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(even though there are a lot of guns in Canada -- apparently some buy more to make up the difference)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even if i get guns, what am i going to do with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't know what you are going to be doing with them, then you probably shouldn't be buying them'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is safe here -- the local community is decent'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senate passed FISA to publicly put a bullet through the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warrantless wiretapping and internet eavesdropping'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the 4th amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK the stink created by people like me has forced the government to scrap their plan to record all internet traffic and put the bill back for redrafting'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can-ada, i wonder if that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_of_Caria 'satrap' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap was intelligently named -> The word satrap is also often used in modern literature to refer to world leaders or governors who are heavily influenced by larger world superpowers or hegemonies and act as their surrogates .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada  kanata (or canada) for "settlement", "village", or "land".  (thinking back on the alexander the great i seen)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feinstein invested $1m in biotech company just weeks before it got a $25mn government grant....'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Fourth Amendment guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. (Some rights to privacy have been found in this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.) - wiki'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder ... He was assisted by a council of Persians, to which also provincials were admitted; and was controlled by a royal secretary and by emissaries of the king, especially the "eye of the king" who made an annual inspection and exercised permanent control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap (Matthew 18:9) And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell fire.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin Amongst various other events, the Völva mentions Odin's involvement in the Ćsir-Vanir War, the oedipism of Odin's eye at Mímir's Well, the death of his son Baldr.  ... how much of these stories are symbolic, and what the symbols mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Expectation of privacy is a legal test which is crucial in defining the scope of the applicability of the privacy protections of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. It is related to, but is not the same thing as a right of privacy, a much broader concept which is found in many legal systems (see privacy law). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 18:9 is a defective scripture (and is self-voluntary at most, not an excuse to blind others)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus is called the king in the gospel though, that's one of his parables'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the 'eye of the king', maybe that's what it means was what i was thinking - what he was referring to'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gospels were corrupted by the mithraists and the romans'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if an author writes a book and claims the book was inspired by the Sun (god),  that does not mean that book is the inspired word of the Sun (god)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-published Bibles are not the inspired word(s) of "God"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are combined wisdom and stories of generations of elders and leaders. Amongst those inevitably you get people who twist words and power to suit themsevles, something that continues to this day'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these days, the role of religion has generally been usurped by government'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you really seem to dig religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to quote from the Bible scriptures as though (a religious-nutter and that) there was extra holy meaning there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the history of religion is really very interesting, despite not being religious myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'full to the brim with history, culture, art'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when an atheist or antitheist or disbeliever quotes from the Bible, at least there is some assurance that the quoter is not going holy-nutter on the audience'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'serving too many masters and things like that are issues in the bible, one way i could see meaing in the combined consideration was having one 'eye of the king' instead of two, and the bible does warn about 'thine eye being double''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is playing with "dangerous" scriptures'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since that seems to have been a title used'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's symbolic though, that's how i'm considering it, not mutilation like you're probably idolizing'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Chemosh is saying "depose the King" using Matt18:9 as the basis'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how am i saying that?  that that's one way it could be interpreted (here 'the eye of the king' is his enforcer in his occupied territories, not the king's territories themselves)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(except religious-nutters may unfortunately go for the mutilation interpretation)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what you Chemosh seem to be saying when bandying "eye of the king" and Matt18:9 together'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder ... He was assisted by a council of Persians, to which also provincials were admitted; and was controlled by a royal secretary and by emissaries of the king, especially the "eye of the king" who made an annual inspection and exercised permanent control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap (Matthew 18:9) And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell fire.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin Amongst various other events, the Völva mentions Odin's involvement in the Ćsir-Vanir War, the oedipism of Odin's eye at Mímir's Well, the death of his son Baldr.  ... how much of these stories are symbolic, and what the symbols mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't really saying anything except a question, what you think it means with your atheist interpretation of human scripture, you jumped to the conclusion it was mutilation of some form first, and i merely noticed these things in succession and seen if you seen any symbolic similarity of meanings or not in it, like i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's some interpretation of the verse i seen with 'Satrap' in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'burnt offerings and hell seem similar too'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as somebody else was mentioning the other day'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the crap you Chemish are posting is somewhat incomprehensible (and irrelevant) amidst web-references the audience is not going to bother to download -- you seem to be obsessed with mutilation'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, literalist interpretation of some scriptures, and symbolic interpretation of other scriptures, amidst the mutilation obsessions'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes you do, and 3 second draws - you're more like a perpetrator instead of a observer though, and you likely have some type of authority with your quick-to-conclusions attitude, where i don't - but as long as you're not in a professional capacity i guess your subliminal messages can be taken non-literally - i wouldn't expect such a reaction to the fiction i offer as yours in a game of fiction, with your atheist consideration of religion in mind especially, what kind of dragons could i develop that would offend your ego?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have any gore-fascination, but i observe psychological horror'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(when i encounter crap and mush, i keep cutting the crap and mush (with steel blades) until i encounter steel blades)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is one of the funniest verses in the bible to me, But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? -- Isaiah 36:12'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"defective-ideology" demagogues and rabblerousers are dangerous in that they are waiting for the opportunity to sway the crowds into zealous action (and mayhem)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bring forth decent benign ideologies, if the demagogues prefer to be somewhat bypassed by those ready to dissect and criticise defective dribble'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"eternal vigilence is the price of liberty"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"you do not require to be a monster to detect monsters and how monsters think, merely require to be an intellegent educated experienced paranoid potential victim of monsters" '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 12:36 "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(so please: no defective dribble)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'words are one thing, attatching bodies to actions being spoken of is another, 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' as they say, who's throwing the stones and bringing the styx'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'want to play paladin authority then authority should answer for it's own crimes first, which actually had death and other desecration in it, otherwise the court's unjust in my eyes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can move onto the idle words man spoken, being not men with sins attatched to their actions'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that why they killed jesus, cause he tried to make himself god?  who judges another'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the justifications they used anyways - since you're trying to invoke religious fear in people, like the bolt thrower song'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some say "everyday is a day of judgement" when demagogues are taken to task by the politically correct -- fake xchan'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some of the self-appointed "politically correct" like to wield a big stick'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems like a pretty flawed statement, A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. (from this perspective, seeing how much rational thinking is required for politicians to make decisions for the politically correct)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but , each to their own hypocrisy's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'might is right - aleister crowley (or was it the other one?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about evolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters "is somebody's sarcasm meter unable to detect the variable nuances" - xchan
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the annoying) Aleister Crowley used to state "To do what thou will is the whole of the law" or something similar - an annoying statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a misquote surely? is it not "To do what thou will is the whole of the law provided it harms none"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never saw the rider "provided it harms none" until .. here'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and i do recall reading the Law of St Thelma from an Aleister Crowley book in paper and print'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably Aleister Crowley misquoting it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fueling nuclear reactors with uranium harvested from the ocean could become more feasible because of a material developed by a team led by the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The combination of ORNL's high-capacity reusable adsorbents and a Florida company's high-surface-area polyethylene fibers creates a material that can rapidly, selectively and economically extract valuable dissolved metals from water.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be cool to travel at an effective speed many times the speed of light'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why get creative with nuclear energy when we can just get better-than-solar output from marshwater?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so obama is claiming a fiscal cliff deal has been done, reading the text reminds me of the couple of dozen times they've claimed to have "solve the Greek debt problem"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what is this "fiscal cliff deal" - did Obama surrender to the Republican extortioners'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, zade, they kicked it into the long grass, as per'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so that is what you meant when you said that Obama said the "deal is 'done'!" (like done for and adios)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're claiming a deal is done, presumably so that the partisan one-up-manship can continue, but really, they've agree a handful of tax rises and kicked the decision for everything else down the road, pretty much like waht they do with the greek debt - fail to solve it, but do the minimal needed to stop complete collapse in the imminent future'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest: cliff deal off'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how  much whiskey can a baby drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irc participation + slow aardwolf leveling + debate -- a great combination'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people amaze me sometimes, like the wise father doesn't watch the news and sees how safe of a place el salvador is for anybody, so he takes his daughter on a trip to build homes for them http://canadalive.ca/c/regina/event/steak-night-for-el-salvador-2013 and http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Group+build+homes+Salvador/7515864/story.html -- i understand wanting to help people and all, and maybe there's some safety for them, but that seems like quite the high risk to take -- do you think organized crime/terrorism is involved in motivating them or some kind of a need to help people beyond safety of them and their family?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't take my daughter anywhere near there if i had one'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh plz never own a gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all you got?  man you're shallow'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought it was a pretty amazing thing i found, seeing what i seen on documentaries and the news, quick google search would you show you some of that i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, maybe they got some safety there and it's not a negative scenario like i'm thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, i understand wanting to help people and things like that, i wanted to see if there was anyt houghts in your head about it - since you act like you're so much smarter than me - i guess being silent on things is the smartest way to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts obviously may be more informed and experienced than you -- perhaps that is an encouragement to seek to improve'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what i like about irc is the excellent time-stamped prefixing everything said, and the automatic logging of everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i like about people like you is you inspired me to find a new meaning to the bible and avoid investing in this world with any form of love'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'undernet#scripture requires more opinionated trolls er erudite scholars to liven the room   (but don't say i sent you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1109.html#safety see, why i mentioned it their good intentioend trip to build people homes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were they religious fools'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they dead religious fools'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know that but according to what i read there their safety doesn't seem very guaranteed, i'm not sure if they're very religious, i think one is an investment banker'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe it's part of his corporate contract or something '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it could be they got some kind of a criminal visa or security guard while there doing their charity work'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not saying it's a bad thing to help people, but if you got a family to consider and taking them on trips to places with that kind of a reputation, i don't know - that's why i thought it'd be interesting to discuss and see what the probable reasons are for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you all americans know this? http://banoosh.com/2012/12/31/congress-did-what-3-scary-new-congressional-decisions/'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and you happy about it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come countries are all considered female?  and man-made factories are called plants?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'wich country chemosh, some stuff in france is female while in mexico is male '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who wears the pants in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'for example El pais, that meand The country. In spanish is male not female'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'means*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so sometimes countries are masculine - how about plants though, like in some dogfood processing places they slaughter horses in plants'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of derogatory to the idea of nature isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what determines the sex of non-humans is basically the ending of the word. Not also, that Spanish has 3 sexes, male, female, neuter. But male and neuter have exactly the same endings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the bull on the lambourghini logo was spanish, it's something cowboys do to remove their nuts when they're not deemed breedworthy '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Note*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise their meat doesn't taste as good'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only when the animal is prepubescent. Castrating a bull won't help because it is too late.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Psalm 137:9 How blessed will be the one who seizes your young children and pulverizes them against the cliff! http://bible.cc/psalms/137-9.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a spooky ass verse huh, psalm means song'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's hymns to god, quite the things to sing about'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Psalm 38:7 "For my lions are full of burning pain, and there is no health in my body."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Palm 136:9 "Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock." DRC'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bible.cc link had a new international version (c) 2012 on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tthe belated abortion scripture: kjv Psalms 137:9'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Numbers 5:11-31 is another "abortion" scripture'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plus a few more millions in clan gear. About 25.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'